1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,400 Yeah, from the five to the six we be in the mix with that rare 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,760 candy paint job on the whip. I need food for the kids, money 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,880 for the rent. Fuck a lock down baby. 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,560 I can't do that shit now. I'll never vote because I'm 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,000 fucking broke and either way I know the police ain't gonna 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,080 leave me alone on a plane by the physical and rock me. 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,560 Crypto told me I should be in the Glock way, so I packed up my 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,360 piece and I'm sliding slide because we might get caught up 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,680 in a riot. Middle finger Trump, middle 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,880 finger Biden fucker. Left fucker, right as you riding 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,480 see it, those rocking, you know, politics, baby, we just talked 12 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:46,360 this time. From the birds to the bricks, we 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,760 be in the mix with that rare candy paint job on a whip we 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,760 whip. So long time, friend. 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,280 We were just talking about how long time we've known each other 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,000 and the things that aren't around anymore since then. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,760 The way the world's looked has been a lot different since since 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,280 the last time we've talked. But it's Fredo. 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,280 You can catch him with the good old Boys radio live that they do 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,800 an excellent show that like broadcasts to Twitter now I 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,200 noticed. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,840 That's a good idea for what they do. 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,440 Yeah, and we and I definitely like even in the chat I can tell 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,400 like it, you know, it tells you where which platform people are 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,000 listening from. So I know that there's people 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,320 listening from there. So kind of a new audience, which 27 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:26,280 is pretty cool. I see because, well, it shows me 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,760 as like, because you see it on the spaces. 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,480 It's like there's a comma. I'm like, wow, that's hey, a 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,440 comma, people listen, there's a comma number. 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,720 That's that's that's pretty good. 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,640 It's very impressive. Well, of course, you know, shout 33 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,840 out to them and stuff and it's always fun to collaborate with 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,680 them. But you know, we've, it's been a 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,960 while since we've talked. The world is constructed a bit 36 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,520 differently for the nothing ever happens people. 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,200 I'll just say listen to our old episodes with Fredo versus the 38 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,120 one we're about to do right now. Things have happened. 39 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Good things have happened in my opinion, because I remember one 40 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,120 of the times we had you on, I don't know if it was the last 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,520 one or not, we were talking about vaccine hearings and we 42 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,560 were what was going to be mandated, what wasn't what. 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,600 I mean, there was a real scary time, but OK, lots changed, new 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,160 president, all this stuff. How are you feeling just overall 45 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,840 about how things are going? Is it over or are we back? 46 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,600 I guess is what I. I mean, I'm of the position that 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,480 like you can never think it's over 'cause even if it's over, 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,480 there's no like benefit to thinking it's over, right? 49 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,080 Like you always got to be on the like we're so back team no 50 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,760 matter what. So and I even that aside, like 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,240 that general life perspective, things are going pretty well. 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,880 You could always say like, here's what I would be doing 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,520 differently. Here's how this could be doing 54 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,640 differently. Here's the tactical mistakes 55 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,840 people are making. But you know, if you looked 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,040 stepping back, looking at a broadview, are things happening 57 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,480 that like I did not even think were on the table six months 58 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:51,680 ago? Absolutely. 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Absolutely no. And, and the big one for me is 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,360 the tariffs. I like the reason I reached out 61 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,400 again, you know, until you just get in modes of like, we're 62 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,960 doing this, we're doing this. And I was like, we got to talk 63 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,120 to Fredo again. It's been forever. 64 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,480 And I and there have been people requesting you back on the show 65 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,440 too. I was like, yeah, you're right, 66 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,840 you guys are right. We got to have Fredo on. 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,800 And but you were talking about tariffs and one thing I hated 68 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,160 more than anything you can be pro for or against. 69 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 A lot of people's stock portfolio will dictate their 70 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,560 their take on a lot of this. But there's there were a lot of 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,120 people I just didn't like the attitude that like nothing can 72 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,200 get done in America, that like mode of black Pilling where I 73 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,680 was like you, like you said earlier, you just can't be in 74 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,640 that mindset. And you made the comparison to 75 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,600 Nike and New Balance, which I loved. 76 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,640 Yeah. I mean, you just, I mean, first 77 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,480 of all, it's just patent Leon, right. 78 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,920 I mean people that are saying that there is like X thing that 79 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,680 we can't make in the United States. 80 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,600 I mean, unless it's a situation where it requires some raw 81 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,400 material that we don't have here, right. 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,840 And you're talking about like inability to import it. 83 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,240 It's just not true. We have probably 350 million 84 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,080 people here now we have a lot of natural resources. 85 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,520 We have a lot of know how it's still if it's a technical skill 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,480 issue, it's still the educational center of the world, 87 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,280 right. Everybody is where all foreign 88 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,480 countries try to send their people for education and just 89 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,080 there's always on almost every single thing that people claim 90 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,160 can't be made here. There's the counterexample. 91 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,240 So like that goes to the Nike New Balance thing. 92 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,320 One of the things that like people have been the point 93 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,160 people have made early on about the tariffs was like Nikes are 94 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,040 going to get some more expensive and there's just no way they're 95 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,960 going to start making them here in response. 96 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,760 And that's just it's wrong, right? 97 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,520 I mean New Balance doesn't make all of their shoes in the United 98 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,320 States and I'm sure there is some amount of imported material 99 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,160 in their US made shoes, but they are making shoes in the United 100 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,520 States and they're not more expensive than Nikes. 101 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,720 So I mean that's just like one example of just ways in. 102 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,000 This is patently untrue. Just to stick with footwear. 103 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,080 I wear Rainbow sandals. Popular brand of sandals. 104 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Rainbow makes two different lines of sandals. 105 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,800 They make their Americana series which are 100% made in the US in 106 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,520 California of all places. Not like a low wage state. 107 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,720 San Clemente, CA. And then they make their like 108 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,400 standard line, which is made I guess in China. 109 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,160 I don't know. I buy the Americana ones. 110 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,800 The price difference is like $10 like between those two pairs of 111 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,400 shoes, you know what I mean? So like what? 112 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,280 What? Like it's like, what are we 113 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:20,840 talking about here? You used to hear that all the 114 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:22,720 time too, about ethical consumption too. 115 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Like you'd hear whether it exists or not. 116 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,520 But it's like, that's, that's like, I'm down to spend 10 bucks 117 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,960 if I know something is like sustainably made over here. 118 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,920 And I don't mean sustainable in a climate change. 119 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,080 I just mean like the production of it, you know, and, and, and 120 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,480 things like that. I, I, I, I just, yeah, I, nobody 121 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,440 said that it was going to be like a seamless thing. 122 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,120 And look, right now I'm shopping for like Mother's Day gifts for 123 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,800 my mom. And I saw something I was trying 124 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,200 to buy my mom from France and I was like, whoa, $25 to ship now. 125 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,480 I was like, that's interesting. And then I realized there's got 126 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,480 to be something that that's but that's like I wasn't willing to 127 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,240 to just ruin the country over that. 128 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,240 You know, basically when I say it's like that is the black pill 129 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,960 is when I go, well, I can get atva relatively cheap TV 130 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,200 delivered to my house. And I think this is a kind of a 131 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,080 crux of what good old boys talks about is you can get, you know, 132 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,720 ATV to your house for a reasonably priced thing made 133 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,440 from components all over the world. 134 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,640 But guess what, Like everything else is seems so out of reach. 135 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,440 You know, everything else seems so out of reach. 136 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,560 And I thought this was a way to do kind of a reset and and it is 137 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,440 a gamble. I think it is a gamble, but it's 138 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,360 a gamble I'm willing to make because otherwise, like, where 139 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,280 was this headed? Exactly. 140 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,360 I mean, Merrick actually has a really good quote on this where 141 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,520 he said tariffs are a bet that your country has a future. 142 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,920 And that's what it is like that, that's literally what it is, 143 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,320 right? Because it is a gamble to some 144 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,680 extent. We don't know exactly how it's 145 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,480 going to play out, but you are gambling that you have a future 146 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,960 because the alternative is that we're going to ride it out on 147 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,200 cheap stuff as long as you can while you sort of, you know, 148 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,600 more and more people's lives start to decline. 149 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,000 The only reason that this like, system is even possible right 150 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 now, right? This sort of idea where 151 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,160 everything comes from overseas and, you know, made by super low 152 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,800 wage labor and wages in the US overall are, you know, don't 153 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,080 keep up, but you know, the products getting cheaper, which 154 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,600 is not evenly distributed, right? 155 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,720 It's like TV's are getting cheaper, but not if you want to 156 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,320 buy a house and you know, and stuff like that. 157 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,920 That's only sustainable because foreign countries, you know, 158 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,320 pour those dollars back into the US financial services industry, 159 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,600 which is like the fake economy, you know, more or less that 160 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,320 benefits like a small group of people that this is the first 161 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,040 time something like this is even impossible. 162 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,080 But I think everyone sort of realizes that it also can't just 163 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,080 continue interminably forever where you have just a country of 164 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,840 people that do nothing but consume and shuffle money around 165 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,680 and everything else is just made somewhere else. 166 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,760 It just, it doesn't make any sense. 167 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,480 And where the rubber really meets the road, Like I am in a 168 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,520 situation where on a personal level, for the rest of my 169 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,560 limited lifespan, right on earth, I probably would be able 170 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,240 to have more stuff, for lack of a better term, under the current 171 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,280 system, right? Like where people are just on 172 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,080 the whole getting paid lower wages, but my stock portfolio is 173 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,440 going up and all this stuff. This is a trade off. 174 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Like I'm willing to make, right? Like, 'cause it it even. 175 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,360 And it doesn't even actually have to be this totally selfless 176 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,560 thing. Like, there's also a way to look 177 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,520 at it where you can say like, look, I actually just want to 178 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,360 live in a place where you walk around and like, there aren't 179 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,840 like, you know, drugged out zombies on the street and things 180 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,360 like that. Because people have something to 181 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,679 live for. They have a purpose. 182 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,600 They know that they're they have meaning in their lives to go to 183 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,799 work. Yeah. 184 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:44,800 Yeah. Go ahead, you. 185 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,200 Go No, no, I was I was talking about just to what you said 186 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,240 there. The the, the Sam, Sam Hyde. 187 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,760 I I mean, say what you will about the guy, like the guy, 188 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,000 when he's is serious and earnest about something and particularly 189 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,560 the economy, the guy makes a lot of sense. 190 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,600 And he was talking about especially millennials. 191 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,640 This is a millennial thing. There was the avocado toast meme 192 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,880 that happened, you know, for a long time, which is, you know, 193 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,160 you guys would have X if you didn't stop spending money on Y. 194 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,520 These small little trinkets, these small things, they add up, 195 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,240 which, yeah, I mean, look, there's a there's a mirror to be 196 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,160 looked in there in terms of the way we spend money. 197 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,400 But Sam Hyde was saying, you have third, We constantly have 198 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,720 this illusion of progress because we constantly have $30 199 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,520 to piss away on something. Like most people have $30 to, 200 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,600 like, order a decadent meal delivered to their house. 201 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,400 Like a lot of people do have that. 202 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,440 But then you look at Zillow, especially where I live, you 203 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,880 look at Zillow and you go, well, of course I'm going to buy this 204 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,000 stupid thing because I'll never buy that thing. 205 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,320 That's never going. To happen. 206 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,920 You nailed it. That's exactly what I was about 207 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,480 to say. They're these people are just 208 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,440 sort of it's a way of it's almost an escapism to make 209 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,360 yourself feel better that regarding the bigger things, you 210 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,720 actually don't have the ability to acquire that thing. 211 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,000 And you know, the opposite of this is regardless of what you 212 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,840 thought of them overall. But Ford ISM right. 213 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Like, I don't, I think most listeners probably know this, 214 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,360 but Henry Ford intentionally raised the wages of the assembly 215 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,680 line workers on the idea that the that like he was sort of 216 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:14,840 trend setting in the manufacturing economy as to 217 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,160 where wages were going to go and he needed people working in that 218 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,840 industry being able to afford to buy a Ford. 219 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,440 Right, like. That was that was the idea. 220 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,160 I think the old thing is if you inflate, adjust, the guys on the 221 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,040 line for in his era were making 150 grand a year. 222 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Yeah, I mean, imagine that. So tight. 223 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,240 Yeah. And anyone's willing, like if 224 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,160 you tell me I can have a home for 40 grand, I could buckle 225 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,080 down and get that done. You know, like, I feel a lot 226 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,800 more people would be willing to do that. 227 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,520 Or even a down payment that would have a good interest rate 228 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,120 or something, you know, like a 20% down situation. 229 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,880 But yeah, Now. Yeah. 230 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,320 Finish line, yeah. Yeah, it's something to look at 231 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,520 like a goal, you know, And it's just, it's just some people, you 232 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,600 know, the way in the Bay Area, the way this, you know, where 233 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,280 I'm at, the way these houses sell. 234 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,000 And it's typically, I mean, you know, not making a statement 235 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,400 about culture or anything. But like Asian and Indian 236 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,040 families, they will live together in a house that, you 237 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,440 know, maybe a couple of them have jobs at Apple, a couple of 238 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,800 them stay at home or whatever. And they will save their money 239 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,560 and buy a bunch of houses in the, in the, in the Bay Area. 240 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,000 And they grind hard, they buckle down. 241 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,120 They they, they're very frugal with what they spend on, but I'm 242 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,960 kind of like, that's not the model that we, I don't think I 243 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,960 have to do that. I don't have to match that. 244 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,760 And that's my problem with like a globalist society is where 245 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,720 it's like, why do I have to match this? 246 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Like hack that's like this. I'm down for America to be 247 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,440 competitive. I just, we got to have an idea 248 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,600 of what America is when we're going to be competitive. 249 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,560 And a lot of people are scared to do that, which is why this 250 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:44,560 was what everything we're saying right now was said by leftists, 251 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,040 quote, UN quote, who were trying to gain like populist support in 252 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,920 the 20 tens. And that's there's not a shred 253 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,920 of that anymore, by the way. 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All right, enough of that. 281 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,480 Let's get you back into the episode. 282 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,880 Yeah, and part of it too is just sort of to, you know, channel 283 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,080 the my good old boys appearances here, like the the patronage 284 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,120 network sort of expanded since then. 285 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,320 And there is this 0 sum idea that like if for instance, union 286 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,440 workers become like a larger portion of the Liberal 287 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,160 coalition, that's less money to go around to like, I don't know, 288 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,800 like Tasmania or people that work like in social services or, 289 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,080 you know, things of that nature. And that that really has 290 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,200 exploded over the past. Like that was always around, but 291 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,400 that really has exploded over the past 10 to 15 years. 292 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,920 That really took off in the Obama era and just sort of 293 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,000 started accelerating during that time. 294 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,600 And then so you have these people that are like, well, now, 295 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,400 like on a personal level, you know, the those dollars that are 296 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,040 going to go to workers on the line, those are dollars that 297 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,960 like I could be getting because if corporation, if those, you 298 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,440 know, if Corporation X doesn't have to pay their workers so 299 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,160 much, that's more that they're donating to this random NGO 300 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,360 where I have God knows what job, you know what I mean? 301 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,640 If that makes sense. Yeah. 302 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,920 Yeah, it just it doesn't feel it and like, you know, there's, I 303 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,160 don't believe what this is. It what this is, is like 304 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,600 reactionary. A lot of people say, well, you 305 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,920 can't turn back. You you put the cat back in the 306 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,240 bag, whatever, anything. I don't think that's what this 307 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,240 is. I think there's a way to 308 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,160 actually to progress. I know that word is kind of 309 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,200 tainted at this point, but there's a way to actually 310 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,720 progress on that front. And I, I don't know the economy 311 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,400 well enough, but I just felt like, OK, there were people 312 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,200 screaming about the tariffs, about the stock market since for 313 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,600 10, almost a decade now since Trump first ran for president, 314 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,080 people were scared of that. But there were so many people, I 315 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,480 feel like they willingly took a bath in the stock market as a 316 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,160 martyr. It was really strange. 317 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,400 Like I'm like, wouldn't you pull everything out the minute he 318 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,160 won? Like, if you were that scared, 319 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,640 if you were that scared, if you were like, kind of like a, you 320 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,160 know, a Clintonite neoliberal boomer, you'd think you would 321 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,840 take your money out of the market and be like, let's just 322 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,840 see. Especially if you're 60 years 323 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,240 old and you've already put a lifetime of say, you know, 324 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,040 Especially if you're like already, you know. 325 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,760 I mean, I'll take the other side of that one. 326 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Like, not that I'm sympathetic to these people, but like the 327 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,720 way they were looking at it is they were thinking about his 328 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,080 first term and the stock market. Like they probably thought that 329 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,520 the greater Republican Party and or you know, a business 330 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,320 interest, whatever would persuade him to do the tariffs 331 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,680 in 1/2 assed way and the stock market would keep going up. 332 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,760 Because you have to remember there's a huge opportunity cost 333 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,640 to pulling all your money out of the market that way because of 334 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,640 the, you know, if you look at like historically, the like all 335 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,240 of the gain, the biggest parts of gains in like a decade period 336 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,840 will sometimes all take place in like 1/4. 337 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,920 And if you were out of the market that entire quarter, like 338 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,160 you might have set yourself back several years. 339 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,240 So that's the, that's the way that those people were probably 340 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,640 looking at. It was like, well, like I've 341 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,480 just been riding because just honestly, for the, for the past 342 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,920 five plus years, you just have your stuff in an index fund 343 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,080 doing nothing and you'd be killing it, right? 344 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,280 So that's probably the way people were looking at it and 345 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,600 just kind of thinking it would go on forever, especially if you 346 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,120 thought that inflation was going to continue, then you really 347 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,360 didn't want to be out of that index fund. 348 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,400 Or they thought, they thought they didn't like the cultural 349 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,640 stuff around the administration, but they thought that it would 350 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,120 get pumped. And they're kind of like 351 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,480 revealed preference thing a little bit, yeah. 352 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,760 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 353 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Mm hmm. I, yeah, I, cuz I, I, to be 354 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,160 honest, I don't really have a portfolio. 355 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 I, I have a little bit of a little bit of Bitcoin, which 356 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,240 that's doing fine, you know, like that to me that, that was, 357 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,320 that was nice to hold onto everybody that said that that 358 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,480 was a gamble. I'm like, well, so is the stock 359 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,640 market apparently. So I mean, I, I just, I, I get 360 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,960 why that's kind of the, the generational disconnect, right? 361 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,120 It's just like a lot of people and I, I don't consider it like 362 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,560 a privilege or anything to the boom. 363 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,440 I think people have the scorned attitude towards the boomers and 364 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,119 the money that they have. That's not what I'm saying. 365 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,839 It's just, it's just, they never understood that it's just a 366 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:12,280 little bit different for, for, I'm speaking for, you know, 367 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,200 people around my age, like it's just a little bit different. 368 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,640 And I that's why maybe maybe not why, there's multiple reasons, 369 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,520 but I think that's why the numbers look the way they did 370 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 towards Trump, because it was somebody doing something like 371 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,200 somebody doing something. It was things happening for 372 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,040 sure. It was, it was dice rolled. 373 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,360 And, and to be honest, like when you're living the way a lot of, 374 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,280 you know, modern people live, like a roll of the dice is like 375 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,480 what happens to you every day. So when you see a, a president 376 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,240 who, again, I don't have a lot in common with Donald Trump, 377 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,080 like we, I don't come from the same line of people or anything, 378 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,200 but I, I kind of felt like he was just doing like a point A to 379 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,960 point B thing that just felt so refreshed. 380 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,680 I'm like, yeah, like, why don't I do that? 381 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,480 You know, like why that's something I would think of. 382 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,840 And maybe that's a nightmare to some people, something I would 383 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,400 think of, but I, I, I thought it was refreshing. 384 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,880 Yeah, exactly. I mean, you can, you can see the 385 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,920 logic, you can see where things are going, and that is going to 386 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,120 be refreshing to a lot of people. 387 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:06,320 Are you, by the way, are you guys? 388 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,040 I think I always find this interesting. 389 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,320 Are you guys millennial guys or Gen. 390 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,000 X guys? Millennial. 391 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,520 Yeah. Yeah, you're pretty much right. 392 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,680 Squarely in the middle. Right. 393 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,000 I think squarely in the middle, middle of that generation, I'm 394 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 34, going to be 35. So yeah, it's just, it's it's 395 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,880 right, right in the middle. Thank God we're not the older 396 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:22,560 millennials. You. 397 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Know yeah, I was guessing I'm a Gen. 398 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,880 X guy so like I have the the I just kind of thought of this 399 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,160 when you were talking about the boomer thing. 400 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,680 I have the crossover where I feel like I have like you. 401 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,880 I actually don't like when people just go like insane, like 402 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,920 anti boomer stuff because it's like come on man. 403 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,640 Like these guys, they were born during like a really awesome 404 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,080 time. I would do the exact same. 405 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,840 Thing exactly as good for them. And by the way, like not every 406 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,560 boomer, like definitely there is a boomer thing where like, oh, I 407 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,760 don't care about my, my kids or that kind of stuff, but that's, 408 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,400 it's probably not even most of them. 409 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,720 There's enough of them that the stereotype rings true. 410 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,840 But anyway, my my larger point was like, because I'm in between 411 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,800 those two generations, I kind of think I tend to see both sides 412 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,760 of it. Yeah. 413 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,760 Oh, no, exactly. I'm just mad that we, that the 414 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,080 boomer thing doesn't exist for me. 415 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,560 I mean, it's you're truly, it's not that's not bad. 416 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,480 That's not bad at all. And you get why they're 417 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,760 institution trusters. I mean, every kind of, not 418 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,880 everything, but most things that happened. 419 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,960 If they worked hard, they could support every current thing and 420 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,720 just be like, OK, on the other side of that, even if what I'm 421 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,640 supporting isn't exactly good or not, the line goes up and I'm 422 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,080 good. Like, so we get, it's just it's 423 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,760 so much more nuanced and complicated for generations 424 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,280 below that. I feel like in terms of, well, 425 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,440 if I support that, does that really mean that, you know, I 426 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,480 don't know? I don't, I'm speaking very vague 427 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,240 here because I, I honestly couldn't give too many examples, 428 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,560 but I, I just feel like it was like, OK, this is the goal. 429 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,440 That's the goal. You can see it on the frontier. 430 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,640 Go get it. For us, we're like, what is the 431 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,160 goal? I don't know. 432 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,320 I don't know what. Yeah. 433 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Like you could really just work and save in their generation, 434 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,440 right? Like you could just, you know, 435 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,120 there were people that are people that I know from that 436 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,440 generation, like Boomer H people that were like, yeah, like I 437 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,840 could have gotten a mortgage, but I instead just decided to 438 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,600 wait five years and then buy my house in cash, you know what I 439 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,440 mean? Like stuff like that, which is 440 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,200 generally not available. To most people today and just, 441 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,160 you know, working your summer job in high school and buying a 442 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,920 Camaro with it, she left like that kind of stuff. 443 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,120 My dad, my dad bought AI think a Barracuda like when he was 444 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:31,560 working at like some random summer job and I was just like, 445 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,600 damn, that's so tight. Like, I mean, again, yeah. 446 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,040 That's how you get patriotism out of people, by the way. 447 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Like, it's just how you get like, like my parents are 448 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,640 Democrats and I don't think they love the way the country's going 449 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,840 right now. But they all, they both consider 450 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,160 themselves, like, patriotic to the country, you know what I 451 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,040 mean? Because they're just like, yeah, 452 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,160 Because I mean, they do remember a time, like they do remember a 453 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,880 time where it was like, OK, if I just do what I'm supposed to do 454 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,200 and there's an actual uniform set of rules of what you're 455 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,760 supposed to do, Personal accountability exists because 456 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,920 these are the rules to follow. And then right now it's just 457 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,600 like, what is this? What even is that? 458 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,680 It's all these like philosophical questions of how 459 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,160 you achieve this thing. And and yeah, like you said, 460 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,280 like my, my grandfather's another thing, another thing. 461 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,120 He everyday he worked at General Electric. 462 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 It was a good it was a good job. I don't even know what he did. 463 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,240 I I just feel like it was like some Homer Simpson job, just 464 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,320 like walking around a factory. But I'm assuming you know, he 465 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560 did it forever. Even survived the buyout by 466 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,240 Honeywell and he would eat a Bologna and cheese sandwich 467 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,080 every single day in a cemetery by himself. 468 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Never went out to lunch. I mean, there weren't as many 469 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,160 restaurants to do that or anything back then. 470 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,840 Never went out to lunch. And he would just, he didn't, I 471 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,720 don't imagine he made that much money, but he had a lot of money 472 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,680 and it was just like he kept his costs low. 473 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,520 Whereas for me, it's just like everything's itemized here. 474 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,880 And even as a part of like a global economy, which is 475 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,640 supposed to make everything readily available to me, I still 476 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,440 feel like I'm paying out the ass for everything. 477 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,120 Even stuff that, you know, every step of every process is like a 478 00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:59,920 payment. My card's on file. 479 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,800 And all these places that's just like, man, like, how do you save 480 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,280 money nowadays? Like it's tough. 481 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,000 Yeah. And there is an important point 482 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,040 that you hit on early there, which was that one of the more 483 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,680 interesting sort of discussions I have with people that always 484 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,560 really shocks them. People that are sort of into 485 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,640 economics is like sometimes people say what? 486 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Well, you know, if you study this and that or you look at the 487 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,800 charts like this is more economically efficient, right? 488 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,360 Or like people will tell you like, oh, actually people are 489 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,480 richer now because they can buy XY and Z that they couldn't buy 490 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,680 in 1950 or whatever. My response to that always 491 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,480 surprises people because instead of diving in the numbers with 492 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,320 them and trying to find a fallacy or which you probably 493 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,000 could do honestly, but I don't even do any of that. 494 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,680 I just say like, I don't care about any of that because even 495 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,840 if, because even if all that is true and the economy is somehow 496 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,760 20% less efficient in a situation where the guy that 497 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,200 works at Ford is making 150 grand a year, that's just still 498 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,960 preferable. And that is actually, I'm not 499 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,600 like I'm actually not trying to make an objective math like 500 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,720 judgement there like economic econometric judgement. 501 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,040 This is actually I like, I just own it. 502 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,720 This is a moralistic judgement that I'm making like that is a 503 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,000 an acceptable efficiency loss in the economy to, you know, you 504 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,400 know, go back to that type of system. 505 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,200 You're right. Exactly. 506 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,520 I I just it's there is yeah, you can show me a chart. 507 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,800 That's that's my thing. It's like there was I feel like 508 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,160 a long time ago. It was like one thing that was 509 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,800 trusted. It was just like, OK, this 510 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,280 right. And it was how much money do you 511 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,200 have? What do you need to buy and can 512 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,640 you do it and that and then you would you would get the job. 513 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Like I'm actually, I'm actually, there's a lot of people who 514 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,360 scoff at like low end labor and I, I don't because I, because I 515 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,040 work it honestly. But like the, I go to like 516 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:54,000 stores and I just see, you know, part of it is definitely a 517 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,080 generational thing that, that I think there's kind of a smugness 518 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,760 to a certain generation. But I'll go to a store and 519 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,240 everybody's surprised when I walk in. 520 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,880 Sometimes I'm like, what? Like you walk in and they're 521 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,880 like, did you need something? I'm like, I'm just shopping at 522 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,000 your store because it's open and they look at me and there and 523 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,120 it's just there's boxes all over the floor and it's like the 524 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,440 middle of the day when that was stuff is typically done by a 525 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,520 night crew, but you can tell they're not spending the stores 526 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,080 not spending on the night crew. And I just was like, man, I 527 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,920 understand that the lot of people's responses get a better 528 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,640 job that jobs not for people who who do that, you know, for smart 529 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,160 people. I'm like, yeah, but I I miss 530 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,920 competent people in the service industry. 531 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,920 I miss that. I miss competent people working 532 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,320 at grocery stores. Like that stuff. 533 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,480 That stuff bothers me that it's not there anymore. 534 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,760 Like it makes your life like that if you have a bad day at 535 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,480 work and then you go pick something up after work. 536 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,320 And that's an arduous, horrible process with with just people 537 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,800 who can't make eye contact with you, people that can't, you 538 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,600 know, do a simple task. And then you realize you're 539 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080 like, yeah, but they also make not that much money an hour. 540 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,080 I know minimum wage goes up, but so does the rent. 541 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,360 So does all of this thing. So that's clearly not working. 542 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800 And that's, in short, why I say, you know what? 543 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,880 I don't know what Trump's end game is with the tariffs, but 544 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,600 let's try it. Yeah. 545 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,280 And it's always, by the way, like to your point, you can kind 546 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,680 of always tell the stores, and I'm not even saying they pay 547 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,400 well, but even the ones that pay a little bit more like in this 548 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,040 economy, because the employees having a completely different 549 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,080 countenance sort of about them when you're in there, like it's 550 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,960 these things make a difference. So I think the one that people 551 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,680 use a lot is like Chick-fil-A, right? 552 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,440 Like that's like a good example. But I mean, I mean, even like I 553 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,400 don't, we don't have one where I live. 554 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,480 But if I'm in an area that has one, like Trader Joe's, the 555 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,440 employee, the employees are just much cheerier than at like a 556 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,280 typical grocery store. And I know that is because, you 557 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,400 know, at some level they're making more than the typical 558 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,440 chain grocery store. Oh yeah. 559 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,640 I mean, it's, it's without question In-n-out Burger's a big 560 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000 one in California. Like they make, I mean, I don't 561 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,560 know what they make, but I think they, they start out at like 20 562 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,800 bucks an hour here. It's young, fresh faced people 563 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,200 just doing their job. They read the stuff back to you. 564 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,800 If they make a mistake, they fix it. 565 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,280 It's, it's just, it's a really good process. 566 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,160 Aesthetically, it hasn't changed at all. 567 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,360 But if it did, I don't imagine the employees would. 568 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040 And it's just like, wow, that's, and, and guess what? 569 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,200 It's cheaper than most fast food, but yeah, it's like, why 570 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,200 is this cheap? I I don't. 571 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,880 That one's because with in and out, I believe it's because it's 572 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,680 a private company, it's not public. 573 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,680 So they don't have to be constantly focused on like oh, 574 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,720 our profits went down a tiny bit this quarter, you know what I 575 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,040 mean? So everybody knows and the stock 576 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,840 price goes down. Another one that's like that 577 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,560 that's also a private company is are you guys know about Bucky's? 578 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,840 I we don't have them, but I know what they are. 579 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,520 Yes, yeah, we have them where I live and Bucky's like they post 580 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,400 it, You know, this is actually very smart marketing for them 581 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,840 too. It makes people feel good about 582 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,480 going there. They have a giant sign when you 583 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,920 first walk into Bucky's that says what everybody makes like 584 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,560 so it'll be like cashier $20.00 an hour, which in my part of the 585 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,440 country, I don't live in California, that's a lot of 586 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,240 money. And it's like the store manager 587 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,600 here, I'm not making this up, makes 250 grand. 588 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,760 Like that's what you make is like the store manager of a 589 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,240 Bucky's so, or at least in in my area. 590 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,920 So like they just post that as soon as you walk in the car wash 591 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,520 manager 150 grand. Like, you know what I mean? 592 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Like yeah, damn. It's pretty good. 593 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,840 That's I mean, that's really good. 594 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,040 Yeah, I know we because I think the the counter to that or it's 595 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,240 similar. I don't know if it's similar 596 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,880 because I've never been in a Bucky's, but like they have 597 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,120 Maverick out on the West Coast, which is like that bit on the 598 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,000 side. Do you guys have those up to 599 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,080 those Mavericks? I've been to Mavericks out West 600 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,240 driving Bucky's is different level. 601 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,440 Different level, OK. Yeah, like Bucky, I'll put it to 602 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,880 you. Like Bucky's just like the size 603 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,000 of it, the amount of food and stuff they have. 604 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320 And the thing they're really famous for is the bathroom crew, 605 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,840 which is probably the only place in the world where the bathroom 606 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,760 crew at least makes, like, OK money. 607 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280 They don't leave. They are cleaning the bathrooms 608 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,640 24/7. Like if you're on bathroom crew, 609 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800 you're working your 8 hour shift in the bathroom and they are 610 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,640 Immaculate. Like that's what they're known 611 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,080 for. Like these are really high 612 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,160 volume stores with like thousands and thousands of 613 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,880 people constantly going in and out and like the the toilet is 614 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,600 like Immaculate in every stall. It's like a high end restaurant. 615 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Yeah, yeah, I've seen like Youtubers going like I'm trying 616 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800 every snack in Bucky's and I'm like that place looks I'd eat, 617 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,400 I'd eat the food off the floor there. 618 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,800 I mean, the place looks great. Yeah, this is a trucks, I mean, 619 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,280 not a truck style. It's a gas station. 620 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,880 But like you see a lot of like long haul truckers like pulling 621 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,440 in stuff. Actually they don't allow, they 622 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,320 don't allow trucks. So it's only they only allow 623 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,400 like they don't allow trucks as in like like tractor trailers. 624 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,840 It's only for yeah like non commercial use. 625 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,720 Yeah, interesting. Oh, that's see that I didn't 626 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,680 know and that's where Maverick's a little different I think so 627 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,000 yeah, that's, that's, that's interesting. 628 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,560 Well, I, I'd be, you know, remiss to have you on and not 629 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,280 ask you about Bitcoin right now, cuz that's, there's been a lot 630 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,800 of meme coins since we last talked. 631 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,920 A lot of me, a lot of rug pulling. 632 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,440 I see a lot of people talking about cryptocurrency is a scam. 633 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,440 I was talking to my mom the other day. 634 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,960 She's like, it's a scam. It's all a scam. 635 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,120 I was like, I was like, Bitcoin's pretty solid though, 636 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,640 like Bitcoin, you know, seems pretty good. 637 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,280 She's like, no, it's all, it's all a scam. 638 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,680 I was like, oh, OK, but she's thinking about hawk to a coin. 639 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400 She knows I don't, I don't know why my mom, my mom should not 640 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,000 know what hawk to a coin is. By the way, I'm against I'm 641 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,800 against the John Oliver's of the world telling my mom what hawk 642 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,800 to a coin isn't getting her worked up about that. 643 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400 But anyways, there's all these rug pull things. 644 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,360 But I'll tell you what, I sold my Bitcoin a while back, a long 645 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,920 time ago, probably when we first started the show needed to move 646 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,720 some money around or something. I did rebuy. 647 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,320 I did buy it again and I'm, I'm happy that I, that I have it, 648 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,440 but I, you know, it hasn't really lost steam despite the 649 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,800 kind of kind of cringe crypto world that's kind of become of 650 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,800 it that everybody kind of makes fun of. 651 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,720 So where where are you at with Bitcoin, right? 652 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,720 Now, yeah, I mean, one thing that I've noticed definitely 653 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,600 over the past few years is more and more, more and more every 654 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,480 year, Bitcoin sort of separates itself from the broader crypto 655 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,280 world just in terms of the businesses that are in that 656 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,960 industry, people that are pushing it, things of that 657 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,560 nature. It's gotten further and further 658 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,000 away. And that's especially true in 659 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,120 the current environment where like in 2017, 18/19/20, the rug 660 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,320 pull scams were all they pretended to have some value, 661 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,240 right? Like, oh, this is a coin that's 662 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,000 going to power a world computer and change the world in this way 663 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,760 or all this crap. Like there was, there was like 664 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,640 some sort of story they were trying to tell that has actually 665 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,840 all fallen away now. And it's just like, Oh yeah, 666 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,240 this coin has a cool name. And this guy like on YouTube 667 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,200 talks about how great it is. And every, I, I'm not justifying 668 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280 this, but everybody's kind of like going into it from the 669 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,720 beginning, like knowing it's a pump and dump and thinking that 670 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,560 they're smart enough to get out before the bottom falls out. 671 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,600 Like that's how like all these work now. 672 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,320 And I think that is like contributor to the distinction 673 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,080 as well as like there's no more like coins really that are like 674 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880 pretending to be a global currency. 675 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,240 Other than Bitcoin, everything else is now just like, oh, this 676 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760 fun coin with a dog on it that like is going to be popular for 677 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,720 six months, you know? Yeah, no, you're right. 678 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,960 I cuz I was just thinking so I and I know a guy who's a big 679 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,720 ripple guy, he's just massively into ripple. 680 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840 That one is still around like that's. 681 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,160 Crazy they have. He's a maximalist. 682 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,840 This guy is. They all are maximalist. 683 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,320 They all are. And it's insane because it's not 684 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,520 a real, it's like they can burn, they can burn the supply at any 685 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,880 time and they could sell it. The CEO could just sell it to 686 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,960 make money to fund, to fund their own little business. 687 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,800 It's so insane and it's I don't know why. 688 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,520 It's like that's the OG one too. Like that one has been around 689 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,400 scamming people and it's got like. 690 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,320 My mom bought the top of that in like 2017. 691 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520 It is crazy. Yeah dude. 692 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,720 And it was, and I don't know, it was crazy, Yeah. 693 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,040 I remember in that era, too, Bill Clinton spoke at their 694 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,880 annual conference. Yeah. 695 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,400 Yeah, yeah. Their whole thing is that the 696 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,120 cope at least, is that they're gonna transform the banking 697 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400 networks and all the banks are gonna use them, which makes no 698 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,960 sense. Like wow, there's big fucking 699 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720 random ripple to do that. Especially now this thing has 700 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,280 been around almost 10 years and there's no banks using it. 701 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,680 Like, but it's still the the same exact story. 702 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,720 And like, yeah, they just have 9 lives 'cause they constantly, 703 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,560 they're like, I feel like at least two times they were on the 704 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,880 verge of like getting shut down for securities violations or 705 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,720 other crap. And like they, you think they're 706 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,280 dead and then like, you know, 18 months later, it's like back 707 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,920 again. It's insane. 708 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,000 I do have oh, go ahead. Go ahead. 709 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,200 No, no. No, well, I, I do have a 710 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400 question, a Bitcoin question for you, Fredo. 711 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,400 And I, I feel I'm pretty, I'm, I'm somewhat of a maximalist, 712 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,240 maybe not to the degree that that you guys are. 713 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,400 I do like an ecosystem of cryptos. 714 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,080 And I think there are, there is a line between like Hoktu and 715 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,800 maybe some of the, you know, and I like the tech. 716 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,400 I like, you know, there being this defy thing being available 717 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,280 and what not. And yeah, but I, I love, I think 718 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,120 Bitcoin is the best one for sure. 719 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,320 I was going to ask and there's this. 720 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,880 I remember the funny moment from our last podcast where I asked 721 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,200 if you could use the Bitcoin Roth IRA to Iras to short the 722 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,960 market and and you said no, which was a bummer. 723 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,960 To me, I because I just love it as like just a small savings, 724 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,400 like it's just it's it's nice. Like I, I mean you people always 725 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,680 act like when you say you're into it, they think you're like 726 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360 All in all the time, like they're and and it's just to 727 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,440 people who don't know they think you're either cash for Bitcoin. 728 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,160 I'm like I have a little bit. Of both as you as you should, I 729 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,040 mean, because you we live in like a society where dollars and 730 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760 like, you know what I mean? Like you can believe very 731 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,720 strongly in the long term potential of Bitcoin and for 732 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,480 instance, still also have traditional stock investments 733 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,440 because you also like depending depends on your age, I suppose 734 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,000 too. But like if you're a middle-aged 735 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,080 guy like me, I also am going to need assets that are 736 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,640 appreciating in the five to 10 year time frame, which Bitcoin 737 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,080 certainly has, but like in a more volatile way, right? 738 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,840 And that may change over time and that balance changes. 739 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:19,000 But you know, you do have to be practical around your short term 740 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,800 volatility tolerance. It's also interesting, you know, 741 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,880 how these markets correlate and de correlate, you know, and it I 742 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,320 think they're obviously if you're like savvy, you can kind 743 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040 of get an edge there. But also it yeah, it is just a 744 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,880 hedge and it's I just doesn't seem that difficult to 745 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,920 understand. Like it doesn't seem obviously 746 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,679 like a lot of autists are into it, but it doesn't seem like 747 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,080 it's that difficult to understand and also understand 748 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,280 that cash is largely a scam in the way global financial markets 749 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,040 have it set up. You know, and it it, it just, 750 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,159 it's just a hedge against that, just like digital gold and 751 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,840 everything, especially in context of all this inflation 752 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,880 and everything that's happened in the last five years. 753 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,080 I don't know. Yeah, that's exactly right. 754 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Like, I mean, look at all the inflation we've had and Bitcoin 755 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,200 has been a pretty good thing to be invested in during that time 756 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,000 period. Yeah, yeah. 757 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,640 And I, I keep hearing the term like shelling point with 758 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Bitcoin, like what I don't. What does that mean? 759 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,720 It just means like this is with regard to like a sort of like 760 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,520 multiple cryptocurrencies, we've already reached the shelling 761 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520 point means like in this category, this is already the 762 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,760 thing that the sort of critical mass of people have chosen. 763 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,280 So, you know, with respect to a currency, like generally 764 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,160 multiple currencies is not a stable situation, even if the 765 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,400 government's not mandating it. Like in a given, even 766 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,240 historically in a given region in a given time period, there's 767 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,400 typically one currency, right? Like it all sort of coalesces 768 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,840 around the one thing that was Roman denari, right? 769 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,840 For like a a good period of world. 770 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,840 History. Yeah, yeah, that's, oh, 771 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,560 interesting. Yeah. 772 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880 Cuz I like, I, I just, I think about it and every time, like I 773 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,560 was a skeptic going into it cuz I, I didn't really know much 774 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,600 about. I'd heard about it. 775 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,160 I heard the story of the guy who buying the pizza, you know, and 776 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,720 all that. I'd heard about it and I was 777 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,720 like, that's too volatile for someone like me. 778 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,240 I don't want to have to pay attention to it that much. 779 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:12,120 But I, I just, like I said, I would, I would give myself a set 780 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,280 limit of like, I'm just going to buy this much a week, buy this 781 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,760 much a week. This is something I would, I 782 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,320 would take what I would save and I would put, you know, I would 783 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,360 divide X amount of percentage of that and then just go buy 784 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,280 Bitcoin with it. And I'll be honest with you, 785 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,680 like I, I've been a little happier with the Bitcoin stuff 786 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,440 and people get scared when, you know, the line goes down a 787 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,000 little bit, but it's just like, man, like you, you can absorb it 788 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,680 like pretty easy. And, and it's, it's not the 789 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080 stuff isn't going away. You know, like that guy, it's 790 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,160 fine if you want to be the guy stuffing money in a mattress. 791 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,840 I, I respect people that do that, But I, I just man, this is 792 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,320 the I and I get it, not your keys, not your coin. 793 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,760 So I do need to get better at that, but. 794 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,760 Yeah, but no, I mean, the other thing is stuffing money in your 795 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,480 mattress actually historically was not like a terrible idea, 796 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,800 but like the problem is the money's broken, right? 797 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,160 And that's like, that's the whole point of the Bitcoin is 798 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,720 stuffing money in a mattress, a digital mattress if you, if you 799 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:08,000 own your own keys, right? But that's, if you're doing it 800 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,960 with dollars. The problem is you're, you're 801 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,160 paying sort of an inflation tax every year against those dollars 802 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,800 that that's kind of eating them away. 803 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,120 Ah. I see. 804 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,920 I see. And that's not like one of the 805 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,480 appeals to Bitcoin is honestly like people should not actual 806 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,120 average people should not have to think about investing, right? 807 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,120 Like you should be able to just save and that should be enough 808 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,080 that it should also be fine if you want to get into investing 809 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,400 and that is a thing that you have particular talent OR skill 810 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,400 or ability for. But the the problem with like 811 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,280 the current monetary system, if we're just thinking, we set 812 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,360 Bitcoin aside, you're still talking about a dollar system is 813 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520 that you like have to, you can't just save dollars and retire. 814 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,160 You're you're not, you're never going to get there. 815 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,600 You kind of have to participate in the stock market, right? 816 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,400 And Bitcoin is like a sort of a bet on that. 817 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,080 Maybe that system eventually ends and we move to a sound 818 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,840 money system where your savings can actually be in currency 819 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,720 instead of it. It's it's weird if you think 820 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,560 about it like if you're just like a like a, a physician, 821 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,760 even, like I'm not even talking about like even necessarily a 822 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,000 low wage person. Why do you have to be thinking 823 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,760 about like investing in like hundreds or thousands of 824 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,560 different companies like that, that, that that's weird. 825 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,440 Like, you should be focused on, like, fixing people up at the 826 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,280 doctor's office and then just stashing some money away for 827 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,960 when you're old, you know? Right. 828 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560 Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's just like the whole amount 829 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,520 of like literacy that's that's required to do to just like do 830 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560 something just because of lack of like societal trust. 831 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,600 Like I just even think of something about like a mechanic 832 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000 or something, you know, I don't know how to fix cars. 833 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,440 So I buy cars that are easy to fix because the parts are cheap. 834 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,880 Now that being said, I've gone to three different mechanics and 835 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,200 can't trust them a lot of times. So I'm kind of, I kind of feel 836 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520 the same way about Bitcoin sometimes where it's like, well, 837 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,480 I've heard a different, I've heard different outlooks from so 838 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,920 many different people where I'm just like, OK, but this I, I've 839 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,480 just stepped away and seen Bitcoin for a while and just 840 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680 been like, OK, this it's not as volatile as I thought. 841 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,160 It's very constant, you know, like I was playing around with 842 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,600 Ethereum for a while, which I don't, I don't hate that, but 843 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,480 it's it's it didn't win, you know, from. 844 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:39,770 The five to the six. The one of the things I wanted 845 00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:43,050 to talk about today and sigh, you, you feel like you're alone 846 00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:44,930 on this. That's why I want to talk cuz I 847 00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:47,170 and you're not. I just haven't paid attention to 848 00:39:47,170 --> 00:39:48,610 it that much. So it's tough for me to weigh in 849 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:51,250 on it. But why don't you walk me 850 00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:54,330 through what's happening to this? 851 00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:58,760 Is it a supposed MS13 member? Yeah, yeah. 852 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480 Yeah, walk me through the Yeah. I don't know. 853 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,240 Well, I, again, this stuff is so hard to parse out what's true 854 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,880 and not, you know, which is another reason why I think 855 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,480 lurching in in any One Direction is kind of a fool's a fool's 856 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,640 errand, you know? But yeah, there's, you know, the 857 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,840 whole, you know, there's the El Salvador connection to the, the 858 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,560 leader in that country. I forget P Kelly or I. 859 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,560 Yeah, Bukele, Bukele. Yeah, who's arguably transformed 860 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,960 his country by just locking up, you know? 861 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,000 Punishing people for crime. Punishing people for crime. 862 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,480 Yeah, yeah. And being, you know, relatively 863 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,360 authoritarian about it and it's worked, you know, in terms of 864 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,440 getting, you know, the streets safe again. 865 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,600 And he's, you know, he's well liked and everything. 866 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,120 And. And so there's these deportation 867 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,280 cases in America under the Trump administration where they're 868 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,800 just sending these guys. I think they have a contract 869 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,440 with Buchelli's like Supermax prison system where they're kind 870 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,760 of like, all right, if you're MS13 gang member, you're going 871 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,960 straight to this spot. And the critics, you know, 872 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,120 there's all sorts of there's there's whisperings of this 873 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,960 being done to totally, at least in relative terms towards gang 874 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,680 crime, totally innocent people. Maybe they're here illegally, 875 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,400 but they're not Ms. 13. Yeah. 876 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,920 Or that in this case, this guy might be like a legit MS13 877 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,360 member or maybe like a borderline kind of MS13, like he 878 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,040 was flirting with it and then he gets sent there. 879 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,880 I think in this specific case, that's what I understand they, 880 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,880 they did make a mistake in that they'd literally picked the 881 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,840 wrong guy and ICE like admits ICE admits that they say this is 882 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,200 not the guy that we wanted to send and he did have an had an 883 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,480 active regardless of whether you think this is legit or not, had 884 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,320 an active do not deport to El Salvador clause or whatever. 885 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,640 I don't know how that works legally. 886 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,720 And that was violated to send them here and the Supreme Court 887 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,000 overturned it 9 to 0, including Clarence Thomas and every 888 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,480 conservative member of the of the thing. 889 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,720 And and so they're saying, they're saying that they have to 890 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,400 make haste and bring him back to the United States. 891 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,160 And do I don't know how it even works, some kind of trial. 892 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,600 And just, if I'm editorialize a little bit, I, I think I don't 893 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,320 know, there's, it seems like you're either put into these two 894 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,440 camps of like you're either super based, like kind of this 895 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,280 thing. And then there's and then 896 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,120 there's like the we know that the Liberals aren't going to 897 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,120 freak out about this regardless, you know, of deporting people in 898 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800 general. And of course, this is all in 899 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,240 the backdrop of letting in, you know what, 10-11 million, maybe 900 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,160 more people over the last four years completely open borders, 901 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,560 which is insane. During a down time of our 902 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,880 country, by the way. Yes, and and it's it's, it's 903 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,600 just not, that's just not fair or it's not helpful to them or 904 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,720 the people in America. And so my whole thing, but my 905 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,160 whole thing. Is. 906 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,200 I think this is, I think this is kind of playing with fire and 907 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,160 it's not, it's, it's sloppy in a way that hurts the overall 908 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,440 project. And I just don't see that nuance 909 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,400 being expressed. I and so there's some people are 910 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,120 saying, I gotta say, I'm not saying I believe this, but I'm 911 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,400 saying, hey, that might be possible. 912 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,000 It's hard to deport 11 million people. 913 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,120 Yeah, of course. So they might be doing this. 914 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,200 Maybe, maybe they might be doing this just to kind of get 915 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,920 activist judges against them and saying like, oh, look, our hands 916 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,600 are tied. We, you know, our countries 917 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200 retarded, blah, blah, blah. We can't do any of this stuff. 918 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120 And my whole thing with with regards to the prison, whatever, 919 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,760 I don't care. Just like I don't care about 920 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,120 sending people to prison. I don't care about doing all 921 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,480 this like judicial shit. Just like let's just verify and 922 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,920 get out. That's kind of my take. 923 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,840 But I don't know, it seems, I don't know. 924 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,640 I feel it's one of those weird things where you kind of express 925 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,320 this and you just get, I don't know, maybe I'm putting this in 926 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,840 my own head, but you get the sense that people are like, oh, 927 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,520 I thought you were based. Or they think you, you know, 928 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,120 like, like, oh, let's. Open borders now because 929 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:08,560 because. Yeah, yeah. 930 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,640 And I'm and I'm and I'm thinking again, I'm thinking, I'm 931 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,480 thinking this is ultimately going to slow down this process. 932 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200 I see roadblock. Roadblock and just really gum up 933 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,280 the thing rather than being precise and razor clean with it 934 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,280 and also I I just don't implicitly trust ice as a rule. 935 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,240 I just, I don't think there's, I'm not saying I distrust them, 936 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,440 but I'm not, I don't think they're like fucking SWAT 937 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,360 soldiers or whatever, you know, or like or like Marines or you 938 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,240 know what I mean? They're just like ice, you know? 939 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:37,960 And I don't know, that's my rant on it. 940 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,440 And I also do think this could actually be totally making this 941 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,040 up. I think there's people that 942 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,360 agree with me that might be kind of scared to express this 943 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,560 because they're scared of counter signalling anything now 944 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,720 and they think it's like not trusting the plan. 945 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,120 I'm like, come on, what the fuck? 946 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,400 I don't know. That's just my long winded rant 947 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,120 about that. But there's, there's a little 948 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,560 more, there's a little more legal detail around the edges 949 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,280 there too that I want to fill in so. 950 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:02,920 Yeah, I want that. Why? 951 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,320 Why? This is why I wanted to ask you. 952 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,240 Because I I don't know. I honestly don't know. 953 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,640 So he so the guy they picked up, right? 954 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,960 Which, and I don't entirely disagree with what you're saying 955 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,560 by the wayside, but I I want to kind of fill in a little bit 956 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,680 here. So the guy they picked up, which 957 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,480 is actually interesting. How like the media coordinates, 958 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,680 like a lot of phrasing of stuff like they're calling him a 959 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,760 Maryland man. Like, I don't know if you guys 960 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,520 have picked up on that all the Democratic pop because they 961 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,600 can't call him an American, but this they're they're all saying. 962 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,600 Maryland family man, Yeah. Maryland, man, Maryland, all the 963 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,880 politicians. Too, Yeah. 964 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,880 But anyway, so they he so correct, he was deported 965 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,000 accidentally by what they're saying is administrative error. 966 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,440 He is an he is a citizen of El Salvador. 967 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,320 He was in the United States illegally. 968 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,680 What happened was to your point, he had an OR. 969 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:55,840 There was an order entered that said he could not. 970 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,640 It wasn't that he couldn't be deported. 971 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,160 It said he couldn't be deported back to El Salvador because he 972 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,080 had made the claim that Ms. 13 was basically after him for some 973 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,000 reason and that he would be in danger if he was deported back 974 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,960 to El Salvador. So what? 975 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,640 So what ends up happening is through administrative error, 976 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,080 they deport him back to El Salvador. 977 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,200 The issue, there's a couple different things going on here. 978 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:27,360 So #1 the, the, the, the, that order was violated. 979 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,920 And then the other thing I really want to drill down on, 980 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,520 because there's an intentional obfuscation around what this 981 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,720 means, is that he was denied due process. 982 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,200 A lot of people think that means a trial. 983 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,800 Those are different rights under the Constitution. 984 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,200 Your right to a trial is. That is not a right that illegal 985 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,920 aliens have under the Constitution. 986 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,960 Everyone has right to due process. 987 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,960 Not everyone has the right to a trial. 988 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,880 The 6th Amendment does not apply to illegal aliens. 989 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,080 That's very clear under the under the law and. 990 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,760 It never. It never has. 991 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,640 And it never has. Never has. 992 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,120 Yeah, this is like not. I agree with that, yeah. 993 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,120 Due process. What that means is there has to 994 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,520 be something in place to show that this isn't being done 995 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,160 arbitrarily. And I'll kind of give you like a 996 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,480 random example. This is not meant to be exact. 997 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,360 It was, it's meant to be directionally accurate. 998 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,720 If they had picked him up, it doesn't even have to be a judge 999 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,520 put him in front of an administrator and said like, can 1000 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,400 we verify this guy's here illegally? 1001 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,640 And they said yes, stamped it, threw him on the plane and sent 1002 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,640 him back to El Salvador. That would have been due 1003 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,200 process. Like this does not have to be 1004 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,840 like a six month trial. There doesn't have to be 1005 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,240 evidence. And like, no, it's just there 1006 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,120 has to be like a process in place. 1007 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,880 So that's one thing I want to drill down on. 1008 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:50,160 Number 2 is once he is in El Salvador, he is a citizen of 1009 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,240 that country, right? So he is theirs. 1010 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,840 Like, it's not. He is now in his home country, 1011 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,200 whether or not he returns to the United States. 1012 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,520 And of course, there's diplomacy and things that could be done, 1013 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,760 but that is not like an American judge cannot order that. 1014 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,680 And the Supreme Court didn't order that. 1015 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,280 They just said you had to facilitate it for that reason 1016 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,280 because the Supreme Court cannot mandate how the president 1017 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,320 handles foreign affairs. So they can't force him to like 1018 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,120 go and try to, you know, trade something away to El Salvador to 1019 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,440 get released. He's under the the that 1020 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,200 sovereign nation's control and he's a citizen of that nation. 1021 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,840 Couple more things that I want to fill in here that are sort of 1022 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,760 relevant to the situation. So like when when Stephen Miller 1023 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,080 says that he's not lying, that he's like legally and factually 1024 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,160 correct. The other issue was the other 1025 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,240 issue is there again, Miller is correct about there is no world 1026 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,960 where this guy could come back and not then and that that he 1027 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,040 would they would then be restricted from immediately 1028 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960 deporting him. And let me explain what that 1029 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,040 means by a couple things. Number one, MS13 no longer 1030 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,760 exists in El Salvador because they're all in the supermax, 1031 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,800 right? So the like, first of all, they 1032 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,560 could just put him in front of a hearing officer or whoever and 1033 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,800 say there's no more MSR Ms. 13, that's factually true. 1034 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,600 That gets stamped and he goes right back to El Salvador, 1035 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,000 right? He's in Secot because El 1036 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,120 Salvador says that he is an MS13 gang member, right? 1037 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,880 There's there's debate about that, but. 1038 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,840 Chicken the egg thing, yeah. Correct and but that also could 1039 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,040 be the reason he's afraid of them if he got out of there, 1040 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,120 right? Like the, you know, they're 1041 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,280 chicken. But that's, again, that's like 1042 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,000 an El Salvador issue, like 'cause they, he's. 1043 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,960 It's kind of ironic that he's going into the prison that he's 1044 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,520 supposed to be, yeah. Yeah. 1045 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,080 You're right. I was going to say like if, if, 1046 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,520 if this is legit MS13, I do not care. 1047 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,560 I don't like the sympathizing and I don't. 1048 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,840 Like MS13 is terrifying. Yeah, yeah, and I sorry I cut 1049 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,280 you off. Go. 1050 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:53,920 Go on. No, no. 1051 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,200 The last point I'll make is even if that weren't the case and 1052 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,160 MS13 was still active, all that happens is you bring them back, 1053 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520 they go in front of that hearing officer, he stamps to port and 1054 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,520 he just has to be sent to some third country. 1055 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,640 We have agreements with countries on this stuff. 1056 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,080 That's like presumably even worse for this guy. 1057 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,560 I imagine some, if you're just some random Salvadoran, where 1058 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,280 are we going to drop you off? Like in Egypt or some crap like, 1059 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,720 like, you know, like. Yeah, right, right. 1060 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,480 But. I'm I'm arguing that that's 1061 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,000 probably what should have happened in the 1st place, like. 1062 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,040 Yes, it. Probably can't stay here, can't 1063 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,520 go to El Salvador legally. Whatever however you feel about 1064 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,640 that, just go to Venice just anyway, you know? 1065 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,520 And that's why I'm saying like this, this whole thing is kind 1066 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,280 of, it's almost like a spectacle and like a, it's almost, I don't 1067 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,160 know if there's some deeper strategy here or whatever I 1068 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,360 think. It's that they just don't want 1069 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,560 to look weak on these issues and they don't want to give it. 1070 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,800 Honestly. I don't. 1071 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,160 I'm not saying you're wrong, because like what? 1072 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,680 You're saying? There is a logic to what you're 1073 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,960 saying and I but I think it's more so just like we don't want 1074 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200 to appear weak, we want to see like we're in control and 1075 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,840 especially to our base seem like we got it under control. 1076 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,440 And also this guy was, you know, even though we made this error, 1077 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,920 he was supposed to be deported. Does it look bad? 1078 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,040 Yeah, it does. Like I will admit that. 1079 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,280 Like it's they should have just to your point side, they should 1080 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,080 have put him in front of the officer. 1081 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,440 They would have been like, OK, we're sending him to Guatemala 1082 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,720 or wherever, you know, wherever we have some deal cut and he's 1083 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,480 out of here, you know. And I yeah. 1084 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,720 And I think, I don't know, I think, and obviously it's it's 1085 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,440 this is like one dude. And I do think there are 1086 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,280 probably are other cases where it might not be so clear. 1087 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,760 And then like JD Vance is kind of doing this. 1088 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,480 He's like replying on Twitter to these like random, like Zaid 1089 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,640 Johani or whatever. And, and I, and I like, I like 1090 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,240 JD Vance. You know, I'm not like, I like 1091 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:48,200 him, but he's clearly like not addressing the substance of what 1092 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,880 is being talked about. He was just saying he's oh, he's 1093 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,480 MS13, he's Ms. 13. That's like obviously like the 1094 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,080 liberal side. They don't care about that. 1095 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,520 And I hate when they defend criminals that are just destroy 1096 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,640 the fabric of our society and make it unsafe. 1097 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,640 You know, I don't not like, I don't like that. 1098 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,000 But I think they got caught in like a weird situation where 1099 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,520 they have to kind of tiptoe around it and dance around it. 1100 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,440 And again, it's hard. I I understand the the base 1101 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,480 behind this is the millions and millions of people they got let 1102 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,240 in over the last five years. I mean, it's a mess. 1103 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:21,800 It's a. Mess right now. 1104 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,360 Yeah. And so I don't, I don't know. 1105 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,640 It just seems like, I don't know. 1106 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,720 It's like I just feel I can't be the only one feeling this way on 1107 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,440 a lot of this stuff. And thank you for clarifying all 1108 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,320 the legalities of it. And I, I think that's rock 1109 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,960 solid, you know? Yeah, and I, by the way, I also 1110 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,400 agree with you that the real, the bigger, like I hope they 1111 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,160 continue to deport people particularly, but not only, you 1112 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,800 know, criminals. And the, the bigger issue 1113 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,360 though, is E-Verify. That's the like the hot potato 1114 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,080 everyone's afraid to touch 'cause that E-Verify means that 1115 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,600 you can solve maybe not 100% of the problem, but you can solve a 1116 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,160 lot of it without having to need the manpower to deport anybody. 1117 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,800 That's what I meant by I. That's what I meant by ice. 1118 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,760 About not trusting Ice is like, I don't trust. 1119 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,520 I don't. E-Verify, all it means is like 1120 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,960 if you hire someone, you have to put their information through it 1121 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,520 like a national database. This exists. 1122 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,080 It's just not mandatory today to verify that they are legally 1123 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,200 allowed to work in the United States, that they're not an 1124 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,920 illegal alien, that they're either here on a proper visa or 1125 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,560 they're a citizen or whatever. And if you're an employer, when 1126 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,120 people talk about mandatory E-Verify, what they want, what 1127 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,320 I'm arguing for is like, if you're an employer and you don't 1128 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,040 do that, you should just get shut. 1129 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,600 Down. I agree. 1130 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,280 I agree with punishing business for that. 1131 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,040 So that's really agree. Yeah. 1132 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:48,200 So that so that's I've start. I've seen a few people say if we 1133 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,000 were more serious about this as a country or as an 1134 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,520 administration, we would just go after that root cause right 1135 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,240 there, at least, at least as like a warning or like a gunshot 1136 00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,400 fired in the air. Like, hey, like, you can't do 1137 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,280 this. Or you as an employer might go 1138 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,160 to prison or might get punished or something. 1139 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,040 Yep, Yeah, No, that's the way to do it because that's what will 1140 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,160 actually solve like the root of a lot of problems. 1141 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000 Ironically, the one thing it doesn't solve is like the 1142 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,680 criminal gang problem, but that's where the deportations 1143 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,800 come in. But for everybody else, and like 1144 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,040 the wages and, you know, just the the wage depression issue 1145 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,160 from too much immigration, it does solve that problem. 1146 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,800 There's a lot of very insincere arguments against E-Verify where 1147 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,240 they're like, oh, with like a privacy violation and your 1148 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,160 freedom. It's like, bro, do you get on an 1149 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,520 airplane? Because like if, like unless. 1150 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,840 You're not. Flying, yes, exactly. 1151 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,560 Like, unless you're not flying, bro. 1152 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,680 Like what? Like, what are we even talking 1153 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,400 about right here in terms of yeah. 1154 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,760 Yeah, cuz part of the part of the schizophrenic thing that has 1155 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,000 been induced by the last five years, the especially, you know, 1156 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000 for me, I always have these problem, you know, flashbacks to 1157 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,480 the possible rollouts of vaccine passports and, and things like 1158 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,880 that. So I'm always like skeptical 1159 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,080 when there's this new like verification process coming in. 1160 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,480 There's a big debate I see amongst my ilk on the Internet 1161 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,520 of, of REAL ID, like the REAL ID, which I still don't get why, 1162 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,240 why like I don't go why there's real. 1163 00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:12,840 I don't understand anything about it, but I they were trying 1164 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,800 to roll out the REAL ID during COVID, I remember. 1165 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,400 And then they put it back. They put it. 1166 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,280 Well, no. So like here's this is actually 1167 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,320 really interesting. So this all happened after 1168 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,480 September 11th. Basically they said, look, 1169 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,000 there's going to be a phase in period. 1170 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,640 States have to do at least this higher level of identity 1171 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,320 verification to get your ID. That's basically real ID, right? 1172 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,960 And it, there's also, I believe a national database component to 1173 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,200 it. Most states did this 15 to 20 1174 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,480 years ago. So for instance like my state 1175 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,600 implemented real ID in 2010. So like this is like not an 1176 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,240 issue like I have a real ID without even thinking about 1177 00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,720 this. Basically all what what happened 1178 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,840 though is the government kept pushing back the deadline where 1179 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,040 you had to have a real ID to fly. 1180 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,720 Primarily the news reporting doesn't capture this because of 1181 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:12,120 New Jersey, because New Jersey kept screwing up the roll out 1182 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,200 like it was not a civil liberties thing by the New 1183 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,360 Jersey government. They kept screwing it up so 1184 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,760 badly that they rolled it out twice, like over the past 20 1185 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,440 year, 15 years, whatever it is, and it just failed. 1186 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,560 Like they literally could not get it right. 1187 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,560 Like they tried to roll it out initially there. 1188 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,840 They tried to do a thing like you needed a special appointment 1189 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,440 at certain DMVS to get the real ID and otherwise you got like a 1190 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,360 non real ID. And they just kept screwing it 1191 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,120 up. And the the feds pushed back the 1192 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,320 deadline to fly primarily because people that lived in New 1193 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,240 Jersey were having such a tough time getting them. 1194 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,920 And then basically Kristi Noem came out like a few weeks ago 1195 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,040 and said, as of May, whatever the date is, like, you can't fly 1196 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,960 without it. We're done punting on this. 1197 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,040 The only place where this is really for the most part causing 1198 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,440 chaos is New Jersey because tons of people there do not have real 1199 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,920 IDs. In most other states, almost 1200 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,840 everyone, if not everyone has had at least one license renewal 1201 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,360 because it's been in effect so long where they now have a real 1202 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,440 ID. The there's also edge cases 1203 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,160 where there's like people that let their license expire and 1204 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,160 like they don't have one like and stuff like that. 1205 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,920 But for the most part, like I just recently I was travelling 1206 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,880 in Texas and the Uber driver when I was coming back from the 1207 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:37,200 airport had the radio on and they said like in Texas, 99.6% 1208 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,840 or something like that of people in Texas had that, that, that 1209 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,640 were, that had ID had real ID, right? 1210 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,720 Like just to give you an example of what this is like in most 1211 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,520 places, because like I said, most states like implemented 1212 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,960 this in like 20/10/2011. It's just, I think New Jersey's 1213 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,400 the only one I'm aware of where they just, they, I don't, I 1214 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,200 don't even understand how they could have screwed it up so 1215 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,280 badly, but they did. It's. 1216 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,600 Crazy, I know. I still have to get mine. 1217 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,120 Actually, we have California's a nightmare right now. 1218 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,240 You have to like go make an appointment at the ID only DMV 1219 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,120 California DMV thing and Lord knows what the sanctuary state 1220 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,480 that we are like. Oh, maybe that maybe I'm the 1221 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,960 California had some issues with it too. 1222 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,080 I wasn't aware of that. Big time issues. 1223 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,360 It's well and I don't, I don't know, I know I have to do it, so 1224 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,880 I'm going to but like. I I thought that I was always 1225 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,560 just relying on that you can have a passport and be good as 1226 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,720 in airport. Passport is a passport is a real 1227 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,040 idea. Yeah, I don't have a passport, 1228 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,480 so yeah, yeah, I need, I need, I should get. 1229 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,080 That yeah, this is only, it only matters if you either don't have 1230 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,360 a passport or you're flying without your passport. 1231 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,280 If you're just trying to fly with like domestically with your 1232 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,080 driver's license. Oh, OK. 1233 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,680 Yeah, like this, Like I said, not an issue for me because my 1234 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,400 state implemented it in 2010. Gosh. 1235 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,600 Yeah, that's crazy. All right, well, the last thing 1236 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,160 I want to ask you about too is is RFKI mean? 1237 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,600 That's kind of my disappointment a little bit right now. 1238 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,520 And I maybe I'm it look, it's been what, 100 days? 1239 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,160 I'm I'm I I've never been more excited about a person getting 1240 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,880 power to be honest than RFK. After years of reading 1241 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,040 Children's Health defense, covering stuff as we have on 1242 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,080 here, size long standing history with Children's Health defense 1243 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,960 as a as a subscriber when you were in what, like middle 1244 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,440 school? Yeah. 1245 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,560 And and it's crazy. I can't believe. 1246 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,520 That you are a child defending your own health. 1247 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,600 Yeah, yeah, seriously. How I got it, I think I just 1248 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,080 fell down the Mercola rabbit hole like super young weirdly 1249 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,680 and like that. Just let me. 1250 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,880 That's yeah, awesome. Now there's I I have higher 1251 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,680 standards for him than I do other people. 1252 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,920 I just do. And that's the problem. 1253 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,200 It's, it's kind of this, it, it becomes this thing when you 1254 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,320 shill for a guy, when you go crazy, you're kind of like, I, I 1255 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,360 need this to happen Now there there's, there's the food dye 1256 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,800 stuff, which I, I, I, I anticipate it's going to be a 1257 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,600 long drawn out process. A lot of businesses is going to 1258 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,360 be a lot of money that he's going to have to fight against 1259 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,040 there. But the other day he's, he's 1260 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,280 touting MMR vaccine. And however, I, I understand 1261 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,600 maybe all of our listeners, not everyone's going to be in 1262 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,680 agreement with me on it. I, I definitely don't support 1263 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,440 the combined three in one shot of MMR. 1264 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,760 I just, I just think that's kind of an autism bomb. 1265 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,560 Just my speculation. And just kind of a it just seems 1266 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,640 like a lot of stuff points that way in my opinion. 1267 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,520 But there were two children, I believe one was a Mennonite kid 1268 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,480 and then another child that died in the hospital of measles. 1269 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,720 That's what we're that's what we're told. 1270 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,120 They were unvaccinated. They died of measles. 1271 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,880 Now, in my mind, I think they were a little bit more 1272 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,320 malnourished and stuff kind of just neglected. 1273 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,400 Yeah. Unvaccinated as a side of 1274 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,240 neglect rather than actual, you know, care from parents who 1275 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,120 raise healthy children but don't give them vaccines. 1276 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,160 But it kind of feels like, you know, a lot of I'm not accusing 1277 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,680 the hospitals of anything, but if I was, RFKI really wanted him 1278 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,480 to to investigate those hospitals. 1279 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,320 But he kind of does this this party line thing. 1280 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,960 And sure, maybe there's a game of politics you have to play 1281 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,280 where he's saying like, that's still the best treatment against 1282 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,880 autism is the three shot thing. I have his and I I have his. 1283 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,440 Treatment against measles. Measles. 1284 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Because I have his measles books 1285 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,040 that literally doesn't say that I have it. 1286 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,960 He wrote a book that, that, that that doesn't say that's the best 1287 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,480 treatment against it. So it's how I learned how that 1288 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,280 vitamin A is a great, is a great treatment for measles. 1289 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,480 So where are you at with all this? 1290 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,680 And I understand he cannot just RIP. 1291 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,160 He can't rug pull, right? He can't rug pull The medical 1292 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,640 industry. I, I know they can't do that. 1293 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,880 It's just some of the messaging kind of bothers me a little. 1294 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,720 Yeah, I get it. And so, I mean, as to the actual 1295 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,120 issue, like I've heard some of the measles stuff, but I don't 1296 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,960 I'm not well informed enough on the the specific issue. 1297 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:49,480 To the broader point though, I don't know. 1298 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,360 It's hard to say sometimes. My, my assumption always in 1299 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,200 situations like that is that he's picking battles like I'm 1300 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,640 not my first impulse is not to be a black pill guy like is, is 1301 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,640 generally like, is he picking battles here and going at and 1302 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,800 picking select targets And just on the things like MMR, which 1303 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,880 maybe he views as less of a problem than some other things 1304 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,040 that he's going to expend political capital on. 1305 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,880 Do you know what I'm saying? That that's my best guess. 1306 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,760 Yeah, cuz I, cuz what I, what I get is like, I get for like 1307 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,480 optics. You don't want to come out and 1308 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,360 be like mark of the beast on Twitter. 1309 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,400 You know what I mean? Like, I get that. 1310 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,280 I understand why that's a bad idea. 1311 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,800 I, I always roll my eyes at people who I agree with who are 1312 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,160 like, no RFK, like, you know, do the like, you know, Arnold 1313 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,360 Schwarzenegger predator, like loading the gun thing, like 1314 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,240 let's go take him down. Like, no, this guy is a lawyer. 1315 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,200 Like this guy understands that these, this is a long drawn out 1316 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,480 process that you have to do that. 1317 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:47,640 I guess my my take on it is those measles deaths are used 1318 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,360 against him more than anybody. So in my opinion, I'm like, Dan, 1319 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,040 you, you kind of I'm not. I'm not going to accuse the the 1320 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,320 hospitals of of doing stuff. I I'd imagine there were, I 1321 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,600 understand hospitals did a lot of martyring of people I should 1322 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,320 say in in 2020 and that a lot of that. 1323 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,800 I'll pose the question. I'll pose it. 1324 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,640 Yeah, I'll pose it. Yeah, yeah. 1325 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,160 But you know, I guess I think people understand what I'm 1326 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,760 trying to say is to me, these are these deaths are made for 1327 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,560 people to like Pearl clutch and say we have an absolute freak as 1328 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,520 our HHS secretary right now. This is going to happen in 1329 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,720 droves and droves and droves where to me I'm like, you're not 1330 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,680 gaining a lot of followers by saying MMR vaccine is the is the 1331 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,320 best. Treatment I agree there, but it 1332 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,520 might have been a thing where like if he had said that it's 1333 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,960 not the better treatment whatever interests there are in 1334 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,240 favor of the MMR vaccine, what would have gone ballistic and 1335 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,200 made it a bigger story than it was and I think that's where the 1336 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,080 the picking battles might have come in just like look, I'm 1337 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,360 going to take I'm going to take a lump on this you know either 1338 01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:00,040 way, but if I do it this way it especially with Abrego Garcia 1339 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,080 going on right now who we just talked about dominating the news 1340 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,000 cycle. This'll do, you know what I 1341 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,760 mean? Like this'll kind of like flip 1342 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,520 Peter out and I lived a fight another day. 1343 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,400 That's a complete speculative guess. 1344 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,880 On my, yeah, it's all speculation. 1345 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,240 I mean, nobody, I guess The thing is nobody really knows. 1346 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,040 It's there. It's it's just and, and and I 1347 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,520 guess, you know, to me, I am, I, I do like, I'm bullish on him 1348 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,480 long term for like food and stuff. 1349 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,160 Even though I know he's HHS and he's not technically 1350 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,320 agriculture, I do think he's going to have the ability to 1351 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,240 like influence that side of it because he is such a polarizing 1352 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,480 figure, whether you people either hate him or think he's 1353 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,040 the best person. Nobody's an RFK centrist. 1354 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,320 And I, I, I like the stuff going after the food dies. 1355 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,400 I love going. I, I liked the, the SNAP stuff 1356 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,080 too. Like, I like, I like, I like all 1357 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,440 that. So I don't know, I we haven't 1358 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,160 asked you about any of that stuff, but how do you feel 1359 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,040 about? Yeah, I mean the, and those, I 1360 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,840 mean those dyes are, if I'm recalling correctly, they're 1361 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,240 already illegal in Europe. So it's not even like a crazy 1362 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,040 thing like this is. I mean, everybody's seen this 1363 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,360 before, but like, you pick some random packaged food and you 1364 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,560 look at the ingredients, which is probably not good for you 1365 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,600 either way. But like, look at the 1366 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,360 ingredients list in the European Union and then look at the 1367 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,760 ingredients list in the United States, and it's like 5 times as 1368 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,040 many ingredients, right? And you can't pronounce any of 1369 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,920 them. So someone proves that there's 1370 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,440 like not a great reason for allowing these things in the 1371 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,880 food. Yeah, I think Vinay Prasad, who 1372 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,360 is kind of weird and a little, you know, not everyone in this 1373 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,600 space trusts him. I I don't fully trust him, but 1374 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,640 he wrote an article that was like, and to his credit, he 1375 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,320 supports RFK and he is like, let's take every mainstream RFK 1376 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,560 issue and let's compare his take to what they do in Europe and 1377 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,600 everything, you know, fluoride dies in the food. 1378 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,520 Everything was like. And that's why it's ironic that 1379 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,520 like the dirtbag leftist thing of, oh, no, you're taking away 1380 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,320 my red 40. It's all the stuff they do in 1381 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,960 Europe, which they love and they think that's like a utopia over 1382 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,360 there. And so or fluoride or all this 1383 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,160 stuff. It's crazy. 1384 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,240 I will say the, the health warriors are like that. 1385 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,920 You know, they're like, and I guess I am 1 and you guys 1386 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,160 probably too are there. We're like, like kind of like 1387 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,360 single issue guys. So it's like, if you're not 1388 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,280 going after MMR, like you're dead to me. 1389 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,640 And we had a discussion in our little group about where it was 1390 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,000 kind of like, you know, I don't think we should be blackmailing. 1391 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,640 No, for sure. And I I agree. 1392 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,240 And I'm, I don't think you are, Glenn at all. 1393 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,880 No, No, But yeah. But but also, you know, yeah. 1394 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,680 You know, it begs the question, like, is there a little 1395 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,600 blackmail going on? Is, you know, it's just 1396 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:33,760 interesting. It's interesting. 1397 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,480 Thought experiment You cannot. But pharma's tough. 1398 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:37,440 I mean pharma's. Tough. 1399 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,440 It's the, it's the, it's the toughest nut to crack out of all 1400 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,320 of them, I think. Weirdly enough, and he is a 1401 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,480 Kennedy. And he is a yeah, yeah, yeah. 1402 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:45,560 Yeah. So there's a lot. 1403 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,640 Yeah. No, I mean that those are valid 1404 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,240 points to your. I mean, but what's kind of funny 1405 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,480 too is like the stuff you're talking about being banned, it's 1406 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,280 like, it's not even just like EU, it's like Russia bans a lot 1407 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,760 of that stuff. You know what I mean? 1408 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,800 Like even just I like if for instance, I think Russia even 1409 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,920 bans glyphosate, which like in the United States, you're 1410 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,040 considered like a like a nut if you think that. 1411 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,320 Somebody. There was a, there was a 1412 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,840 billboard somebody like drove by and I, I don't know if I'm 1413 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,000 getting it correct, but it was just like I, I, I think I have 1414 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,560 it here. It was somebody in our, in our 1415 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,080 discord that said that it was something like they drove by and 1416 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,640 it was something about like, Oh yeah, somebody saw a billboard. 1417 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,840 I don't know where this is but it said quote control weeds, not 1418 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,720 farmers. Stand up for glyphosate. 1419 01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,200 Yeah, there's a big push. That's one. 1420 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,520 Weird billboard. That's so weird. 1421 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,560 It's the same billboard like I've never. 1422 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:36,480 Seen. Yeah, it's in. 1423 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,360 Yeah. I mean the it's kind of like 1424 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,160 yeah, the the farmers. First of all, it's weird what a 1425 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,320 farmer is. Now how it's, you know, like 1426 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,160 that's your. New Matt Walsh documentary What 1427 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,120 is a Farm? Yeah, what is? 1428 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,320 No, but it's like now, you know, you're either like a doing 1429 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,240 you're, you're right. You're either buying like 1430 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,760 $2,000,000 worth of chemicals every quarter as like a giant 1431 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,920 Iowa farm that's just raising pig slot, you know, pig grain or 1432 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,480 whatever. Or you're like a medium farm 1433 01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,520 fighting this and you're getting sued because Monsanto's seed 1434 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,880 blows under your field or whatever, even though they say 1435 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,800 that doesn't happen. It's kind of questionable what 1436 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,000 it does. But yeah, it's interesting. 1437 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,600 Glyphosate's ironic. It's it's probably safer to use 1438 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,920 Roundup on your lawn and handle it like a few times a year than 1439 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,640 it is to eat it sub, you know, like chronically eat it 1440 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,040 chronically every day, like in parts per billion. 1441 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,880 You know where it wrecks your microbiome and shit, but it's. 1442 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,319 Yeah, I mean, almost undoubtedly so. 1443 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:37,040 Right? Like, yeah, that's like one of 1444 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,840 the funnier parts about this whole thing. 1445 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,680 Yeah, I know. I, I, you know, like I said, I'm 1446 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,240 not, I'm not, I'm not black Pilling, but I do feel a 1447 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,080 responsibility to be like, like there is a, it's, there's a more 1448 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,160 concrete path that I want to see And I really like we've talked 1449 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:52,479 about it. What I actually expect of him. 1450 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,080 I don't expect him to go like joker mode and like blow up 1451 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,840 vaccine stuff, you know, like I, I like, I don't expect him to do 1452 01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,880 that. I expect him to win, you know, 1453 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,000 or at least start a legal battle, start the thing where 1454 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,800 it's just like transparency, because we know anybody who's 1455 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,359 been in this stuff for a long time understands that like 1456 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,479 they're these people are like burning like clinical trials, 1457 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,120 like straight up. And there's just a lot of stuff 1458 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,720 that happened and I was excited getting like a lawyer in there. 1459 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,319 And I, and again, that's type of stuff where if there is, and 1460 01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:27,080 this is a guy who, you know, by his own admission had some 1461 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,520 transgressions in his past. So there could be a lot of 1462 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,399 stuff. Be like, hey, you haven't told 1463 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:34,800 everybody everything that you did in your past. 1464 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,120 So I it's just, it's tough. And I again, not black Pilling, 1465 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,040 but I, I was just like, man, I need to, he needs a push from 1466 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,160 me. Yeah. 1467 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,760 What is interesting, I, I wonder if he'll like this. 1468 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,600 So the easy mode to start on if you wanted to do vaccine stuff 1469 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,279 is to start poking around MLNA vaccines, right, Because it's 1470 01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,280 easy, right? Because it's, I mean, not, I 1471 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,720 guess not everyone would agree, but let's say many people would 1472 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,280 agree those are both the least effective and most dangerous. 1473 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,200 I think that's I think you're objectively true. 1474 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,880 I think this was a jet a genuinely yeah, even if you hate 1475 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,520 all of them, even if you're like get Get Me Out. 1476 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,960 I will never I I don't want any of that stuff in my blood. 1477 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,160 The mRNA 1 specifically because of how we knew how to treat the 1478 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,680 virus and what it did and the ticket out of things like and 1479 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,760 then what it has done to people. I'm sorry. 1480 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,080 We all know somebody that's had some issue with it. 1481 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,840 You're right. It's objectively the worst one, 1482 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,200 like. Right, it's mandated for 1483 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,000 children and infants still, which is crazy. 1484 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,680 That's what he should. Where there's states that 1485 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,040 actually mandate. It well they what it is is and 1486 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,440 you'd be interested in this as a legal guys what it's such it's a 1487 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:43,480 like shell game where the CDC recommends that you know if 1488 01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:49,360 you're if you're three months so that you get 3 under 3 mRNA code 1489 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,800 vaccines under the age of 1 is this if you were taking it and 1490 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,520 then California, let's say we'll be like we're following CDC 1491 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:56,880 guidelines and so they treat. Us. 1492 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,920 So we're gonna mandate it. Yeah, but we're not. 1493 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,000 But we're or. But it's like, oh hey, no one's 1494 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,600 forcing you. But since somebody recommended 1495 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,480 it, we will codify it into law and basically inconvene 1496 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,320 inconvenience you until you take your. 1497 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,960 Child yeah, it's like, right. Like you can't go to school or 1498 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,280 you can't like live. Like that's what they tried to 1499 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,680 do even with the vaccine passports was like, well, you 1500 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,480 don't have to get it. You just can't live, live in 1501 01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:20,680 civil society without it, right? Like you just can't ever. 1502 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,720 The funniest one was I never had an issue with that. 1503 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,200 My state didn't do anything like that. 1504 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:31,080 But during the, during COVID, during the vaccine era of COVID, 1505 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,880 I flew into Philadelphia International Airport and they, 1506 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,760 the way they, the city of Philadelphia had vaccine 1507 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,120 passports. So I was allowed to be in the 1508 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,760 airport because like that's federal and like you, you're, 1509 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,520 you were still allowed to get on an airplane. 1510 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,800 But I could not eat anything in the airport because technically 1511 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,640 if I went into all of the stores, like all the stores that 1512 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,600 sell food in the airport or the restaurants in the airport, 1513 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,720 those were under the city restaurant vaccine passport. 1514 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,160 So like they had people checking if you, if you wanted to go into 1515 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,120 the little thing to buy food. So I couldn't get anything to 1516 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,680 eat or drink in the airport, but I could be in the airport. 1517 01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,840 Yeah. And so you have to shoulder tap 1518 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,520 like a kid in high school trying to buy beer. 1519 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,560 Yeah. Yeah. 1520 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,440 That's like, yeah, that's like Kyrie Irving can't play at home 1521 01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:20,160 games in the Nets or something. You know that. 1522 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,960 Was the funniest one, Yeah. He couldn't play at Barclays 1523 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,280 Center. I remember that, yeah. 1524 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,960 Yeah, but then he would go play a game at the Dallas or 1525 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,040 something. They're like, yeah, sure, no 1526 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,960 problem. And so, yeah, it was just, it 1527 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,920 was ridiculous. I know America does the 1528 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,440 weirdest, does the weirdest, like soft authoritarianism 1529 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,000 sometimes, like where it's just like, you know, yeah, I'm 1530 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,880 thankful that we're not just people like, oh, he landed in 1531 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,360 Philadelphia. Go inject him. 1532 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,520 You know, like, I'm, I'm glad that we don't live in that 1533 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,880 society. But there's this like weird 1534 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,360 death by paper cut thing that we do when you don't comply. 1535 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,920 And it's just like, like, it's really. 1536 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,560 They they're like Americans love convenience so much they will 1537 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,080 cave in. Shout out to you for not doing 1538 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,680 it. But yeah, I just. 1539 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,960 I love that. One of the funnier ones too, is 1540 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,680 like, I had a speaking engagement and it wasn't the 1541 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,600 organization or that I that I declined and it wasn't the 1542 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,080 organization. So I didn't blame them per SE, 1543 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,360 but like it was in a venue in a state where you would have had 1544 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,560 to have had it. And I remember them asking me, I 1545 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,160 don't know why I find this so funny. 1546 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:22,920 They asked me like, oh, do you have the vaccine? 1547 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,400 And I was like, well, which one? Yeah. 1548 01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,160 Yeah, no, that's an interesting. Part they were so mad there I 1549 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,200 was like cuz I like I was making a joke kind of like I've had 1550 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,320 some but not this sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1551 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,640 Back in the day maybe. Yeah, no. 1552 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,000 And that. I think that points to, like a 1553 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,640 weirder, broader thing. During that whole time where 1554 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,160 they were saying you could mix and match like Johnson and 1555 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,440 Johnson and modern, you know, they it was just all you just 1556 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,960 got to do this thing, science be damned, you know, combinations 1557 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,680 be damned. It was very strange, yeah. 1558 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,160 That's so strange. Well, Fredo, we thank you for 1559 01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:59,880 your time, man. It's always, always fun catching 1560 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,720 up with you. And we will, we'll try not to 1561 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,560 make it such a long gap like last time, but you know, we 1562 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,400 always like to check in. You add the, you add the nuance 1563 01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,680 to something that I've researched barely. 1564 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,400 So I always love that. It's always fun guys. 1565 01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:17,320 It's it's been a long time, but it felt like old times. 1566 01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,480 Felt like old times. Felt like old times, but not as 1567 01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:20,600 scary. Not as scary. 1568 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,400 Correct. Actually significantly less 1569 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:22,920 scary. We're back. 1570 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,520 We're so back. Yeah, when we had Alex Guten tag 1571 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,240 on, it was the same thing. We were just like, man, we used 1572 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,560 to talk. We used to be like so scared 1573 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,400 while we were talking to her and stuff because it would just be 1574 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,240 scary. I would I suck. 1575 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,600 It was a bad condition. I'm like I feel better and the 1576 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,280 stuff I'm complaining about is like in the completely. 1577 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,200 It's like these like little parts of of things that I 1578 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,200 genuinely like, you know, so that's that's a better place to 1579 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:43,800 be. I'll always complain a little 1580 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,640 bit. So it's that's just something 1581 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,240 that's going to happen. But you guys make sure you guys 1582 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,400 are if you're not checking out the good old boys radio live 1583 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,160 with Fredo. You guys are it's every week, 1584 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:53,800 right? I know it's. 1585 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,000 Yep, every Tuesday. Night, night and you can catch 1586 01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,960 it on X now. So if you guys don't even have 1587 01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:02,000 to have a podcast that though you're probably listening to 1588 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,080 this on that. So I don't know why you 1589 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,920 wouldn't. But anyways, yeah, everybody 1590 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,280 have a safe week. We'll catch you guys next time.