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From the birds to the bricks, we be in the mix with the rare
candy paint job on the whip to. The Cat Friendly Podcast, the
cat cast No, if you guys aren't watching I I started uploading
videos to Spotify now, so people like watch our videos now people
found out like that we have faces and stuff.
It's funny it's like we never been hiding, but like I guess
just people that listen on Spotify shows up on the thing.
It's pretty funny, but we have a director, Jay Curtis Miller here
today and recently I just watched his short called Jack,
which was really, really good Halloween special.
I think that's going to be something I return to every
Halloween and stuff. But tell me about Knuckles right
now. That is something that you're,
you're, you're fundraising for it right now, right?
Yeah, yeah, we've got about a little more than a week to go,
or I think tomorrow we've got one more week.
But yeah, that's my next film project.
It's kind of like a short film, proof of concept hybrid.
And yeah, it's it's basically, it's so the past few films I've
done has been horror, as you mentioned to Jack and this other
short that they called MK Ultraviolence, and that was more
like kind of psychedelic horror. But I've been, as we'll talk
about later in this episode, I've been wanting to do like a
really cool fight scene for a very long time.
It's been kind of like in my blood, I guess.
And Knuckles is just kind of just one big long fight scene
set in the trailer park on 4th of July.
And yeah, it's in it. And throughout the fight you
kind of like learn why these two men are fighting and like their
back story and all that stuff. It's kind of like my first foray
into like non linear filmmaking. So that should be.
That should be fun, so. The fight, the fight scene is
something I, I've noticed is, you know, you, you see these
like trends come, you know, I feel like a couple years ago,
everybody was like, especially during like COVID was sitting
down and watching like Tarkovsky films, watching like high
concept high, you know, you know, it's almost surrealist
stuff, stuff that was kind of tough to grasp.
I feel like everybody now just wants to like kick ass.
I've noticed like our our good friend Jay David Osborne, I've
been going through his new book, which everybody needs to go out
and get God's fair. No, better get that guys get it.
It's great. But it's just fights.
I mean, it's just, it's just guys getting their asses fucking
kicked in and just, it's just like, you know, there's great
all the stuff you can do around that.
And not everything is just a John Wick movie, which I I like
those too. But it's so much.
There's so much you can do when it's two men battling because
that's what we don't really see much anymore.
There's usually too many other moving parts involved that you
know that takes away some of the fangs of these things.
Yeah, One thing I kind of when I was writing the script, even
when I just had like the idea for it, I wanted to kind of get
out of the whole like we're in a warehouse, we're in a SWAT team
and handheld shakey Cam and just like one dude fight taking on
like 10 guys and it's like all mix of mixed martial arts,
karate. I wanted to get away from that.
I just wanted like 2 dudes just like bare knuckled fists just
pounding on each other. It's, it's more stylized in like
a boxing type of fight, less of like realistically it'd be like
on the ground and wrestling. But I, I just, I don't know, I
think there's just something really satisfying about them for
like of a two of a good like 1-2 punch and just like being
swollen faces, you know, blood gushing and sweating and all
that stuff. Have you guys ever seen somebody
get like truly, I'm talking like knocked out, like punching like
a raw steak sound like like have you ever heard seen that happen
in real life? It is crazy.
Like not in a controlled setting, not in like a like AMMA
or boxing, but like outside a club or something.
It's insane. I haven't seen that.
The closest I ever got to was like 9th grade when I was like a
freshman in high school during like 2 days during football
season. There you go.
I think the seniors would kind of like haze the freshman a
little bit. Oh yeah.
And make a start. Like it wasn't even the seniors.
It was like the sophomores because they had been like,
yeah, Haze the year prior. They wanted to like.
Dish it happen at the bit they they don't have senioritis.
They're like still trapped in it and they're like, I'm not a
freshman anymore. I totally know what you're
doing, I'm saying. And they're like, they're also
like fresh meat for like the JV team that that goes up against
the varsity team during practice because like the varsity, you
know, the varsity team is like they need somebody to tackle
like during these plays. But yeah, they like, I can't
remember if it was like in between those really long 2 day
practices, like after lunch or something, we had like an hour
to like chill down before the next one and they were slap
boxing each other. And the like, the worst I ever
got was like right on my right ear, like full palm, like hit me
in the face and my, my ear just started ringing for like hours.
And like, it kind of like kind of made me dizzy too.
And like, we were doing like tackle drills because I was like
on the offensive line and I just like almost passed out just like
hours later, just this constant ringing and my like my ear was
fully like swollen, all that stuff.
So. Were you a were you, were you a
mauler or a tactician offensive lineman?
Did you like to go run block or were you were you past setting
and just, you know, crafting? I, I was third wheel trying to
just like not get, trying to get into the game because I was so
like terrible. I wasn't like, Oh yeah, I'm like
on the shorter side. So like, I was definitely bulky,
but I wasn't tall and big enough to like, you know, really like
protect the ball or anything. So I was just like, I was just
here because like, yeah, trying to be popular and all that.
Hell yeah. Oh, hey, I mean, that's the way
to do it. That's the way to do it.
So yeah, I'm.
I'm thinking about. So.
So I I'm, I'm, I love movies. However, making them is still
such a foreign concept to me. And.
And the more and more I hear about them, the less likely I
ever would want to be a part of them.
The best thing is when somebody just goes hey, can you help me
make my movie by clicking this link?
Yeah, sure. I'm there.
I'm absolutely there. Yeah, I love it.
I'm loving this concept. But what, when you're, I think a
lot of independent movies don't have a lot of fights.
Are they, are they expensive to make?
Like like a film that involves a lot of fighting, is that more
expensive? I never know.
You, you hear about like severance costing like $58
billion or whatever. And, and you're, I'm like, why,
why does it cost? I never know why movies cost the
way they do. We're talking about a couple big
budget ones today. But the, the like a fight scene,
like what goes into that? What you know in terms of
spending? Most of the money is just kind
of allocated towards getting the proper crew.
Like the entire fight is set at night.
So that's like a, that's like 2 overnight shoots.
So like 8:00 PM to 8:00 AM sort of thing.
And nobody's showing up for free for something like that.
So I, I want to make sure like the crew is compensated for
their time. I haven't gotten too deep into
like prep with like how I'm going to light it, but they have
these things called Condor lights, which are these big
massive light sources that you kind of just like shoot into
like a white board and it just kind of casts a light everywhere
like on the set. So like you can see because it's
hard to even with digital cameras now, it's like it's
still like kind of hard to capture like all the nuances of
the set and all that. So that's like a big reason.
But for like fighting, I don't really see that costing like
more than like an average horror film to me.
Because I'd hire on like a like a stunt coordinator and then
they would just kind of like help me block it and rehearse
the fight beforehand and be on set for like any sort of last
minute tweaks during takes with the actors and all that stuff.
But I think most of it is going into like the location and some
of the fireworks around the fight.
I said it was like set on the 4th of July.
So there'll be some fireworks in the background during that And,
and just people like extras around the fight since it's a
street fight. So that's like try to make it as
maximalist as I can on this type of short film and budget.
So that's that's where it's kind of going towards.
Yeah, and it and and it's interesting because, you know,
I, I wonder, I don't even know the way to ask this.
I listen to a lot of like Brett Ellis podcast where he just
talks about like, you know, people will always ask him like,
hey, Brett, I wrote a script the other day like where should I
shop it? And he's like, I have no idea.
He's like, I just I don't like I this this system that you're
trying to get into doesn't really exist.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it does to a degree.
But I think what he's saying is like, this is not like, you
know, rolling into Hollywood. You know, I got my script.
Who wants it? Like, right.
You got to do everything on your own now, which, yeah, is a
blessing and a curse, I would guess.
Right. Yeah, it's easier now to make a
movie of your like any like if you want to make a movie, it's
you can totally do it right. One main band.
I mean, obviously like friend of the show, like Low Res has done
that twice with it is feature films.
It's just when it's kind of like a like a sole director filmmaker
type of endeavour, it's just going to take longer.
You can you can make a project easier these days, but it's like
harder to get it seen. I think that's where we're kind
of like in a weird space, but. Podcasting is very similar, by
the way, Like, yeah, you can record it.
Like the it's the easiest thing to ever record.
It's the easiest thing you do. The hardest thing you do is for
someone to go. Yeah, I'll listen to that.
Yeah. But in a way that's like, I
mean, I can hear your take on it, but it like to me it's like
almost a little bit more freeing because you kind of over time
find your, your, your like your core audience.
Like that's like, you know, it's a niche audience or sort of
thing. And like, I, I don't know, like
all these big, I don't listen to like big podcasts.
Like I, I can't stand like overdone, over produced, just
garbage, you know, like that, that that's like, so we're in
kind of like a cool like indie spot with like all sorts of
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All right, enough of that. Let's get you back into the
episode. Yeah, no, exactly.
I guess you know, to say from my side, it's easy to like it's for
a while. You have to be comfortable with
crickets. You know, I've, I've just I've
noticed that is like you don't you have to be comfortable
talking to nobody. You know, you have to be cut or
feel, you know, your movie just just sitting on YouTube or
whatever, like it just it's going to you have to be able.
That's the hardest part of it all is just going like, I know
this thing's cool. I felt this euphoric feeling
when I got done with it. Why is nobody clicking on this?
But after a while, people one respect your consistency and and
just love that. It's like there every week.
Yeah, you know, and the podcast is very guest dependent.
So a lot of times people go, oh, that guy's going on there, Maybe
I'll check that out. But for the most part, you, I
would hate to have a boss in this, you know, like it's it's I
think we both would have got tired of this shit.
Even if the audience was three times the size, I think we both
would have got tired of actually doing this shit if we had to, if
we had somebody coming over with analytics.
Yeah. And showing us like, hey, around
the 30 minute mark of every episode, we noticed something
Peters out a little or, you know, just just something like
that would, would drive me insane.
Now, I, I like, you know, I, I'm comfortable and I, I think I
speak for him as well. I'm comfortable with just kind
of like we did this and this is what it is.
And we can try whatever we want. It can fail and we could just
try again next week, you know? Totally.
Yeah, so I, I don't know, I, I, I mean, like you with film.
It's the thing with film and I, you know, talking to people like
low res, I'm like, man, you sit on projects forever, which that
to me is the true torture. You know, it's just sitting on
something. If I have to sit on something
for like a week, I hate it, you know what I mean?
It's it's like that's the problem is like finding the
right I for film. I'm just like, do you just put
it on YouTube? Do you shop it to people like
you have the finished product, Then what do you do?
You know, that's always, that's the part I I find fascinating
with film today. Yeah, YouTube does help,
especially in the horror genre. You can upload like whatever
horror film you have. It has like a good thumbnail and
it says horror like in all caps, like in parentheses, like it's
going to get fed into some algorithm.
And like a lot of like, a lot of people get noticed that way.
But like I I've done the Film Festival route.
Like I don't think I think that's like a dead Ave. to like
pursue like I I mean, I I had a friend that like had this
incredible short film last year and went like all over the
country and other parts of the world.
And it's like I am nowhere closer of getting an actual
movie deal made than I was before I made this.
So it's it's tough. I think I don't know, like
creating some sort of online fan base and then like releasing it
that way, like direct to consumer could work.
I don't know, because he's obviously you still want to be
in theaters and like get because that's that's what we're making
it for. Like even every time I I make a
short film, like I'm setting up the shot for this gonna be in
theaters, right, Even if it's it's like just got to play in
some crappy Film Festival and like some, you know, hardly
could could call it a theater, but I don't know it.
It's it's definitely tough. But I think that I think like
the more you go like do it yourself, like that Ave.
And the more you do it, I think you're bound to, like, reach
those deals later on because I think that's basically like Sean
Baker's story, you know, like. Director of Anora who just won
for Right, That's what you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
I, I, I think that's, I think that's the way to go, 'cause
it's like you, you know, when you're doing stuff
independently, you do sometimes go like, what am I doing though?
Like what, how long can I do this?
There's kind of a clock ticking. Sometimes you, it's tough you
when you're, you know, the wrong side of 30, you know, especially
like, they're just kind of like, how long, how long can I
actually do that? How long can I actually, like,
carve out time in the evening and, and step away?
And, you know, even if the number goes up a little bit,
you're kind of like, yeah, but when's the when does the big
thing happen? Does the big thing happen?
But you know, that's why it's like nice.
Even though it's a completely dead archaic system, it is nice
to hear people like, you know, the random, I don't know, the
random directors of like the 70s that everyone champions now.
Like they took L after L after L on like grand scales.
And you're just like, wow, that is a special kind of humiliation
is like, you know, and then you get a guy like Francis Ford
Coppola who takes who takes a job that ends up being the
godfather. You know what I'm saying?
And like you do a similar thing. I noticed.
I don't, and I'm not saying you're taking a job, but like,
you do music videos. Yeah, quite a few of them,
including a guest that we've had on the show, Mario Cuomo.
You did The Leftovers music video, which is fantastic.
That was a fantastic music video.
Great. Great song, by the way.
I mean, it's a great song, great video.
He was telling the story that happened kind of like that was
just like a go, go, go thing, right?
Like it just, it was real quick. Yeah, he had sent me the song
back in like August or September of last year.
We shot it in November and it was just a matter of like, when
can we schedule a date for you to come down to Nashville, shoot
this in like a day and have it done and ready by like
Thanksgiving. So like, we worked out those
kinks. But like I wanted it's weird
because like it's weird doing like night shoots for a music
video because actors are not going to stand, like are not
going to hang around like after 10 on a music video.
That's like pretty low budget. Well, when you if you decide to
do rap, they will. By the way, I'm just kidding.
Of course, yeah, yeah. I've not done rap.
I've done close to rap, like country rap.
I don't know if that. Yeah, yeah, I got.
You but yeah, like so that's like just awkward timing.
So like the the shoot ended up being like 5 hours, but like
when it's in such a like a tiny kitchen, I was in my friend's
kitchen. Like you're you're able to just
move around quickly and get angles much quicker than like
moving location and moving crew. And I had a pretty small crew
like some of my friends from other music videos I did.
So that's like kind of what made it so fast and like editing.
It took me longer to edit than to like film because that one
was just like there's so many different like angles and shots
of Mario that I wanted to kind of like savor and like see where
I can throw that in at the second chorus.
I like throwing in like different angles at like the
second or third chorus and then just like cutting together the
storyline. That was just kind of like the
challenging aspect of that. And I'd imagine being in
Nashville puts you in proximity to some decent artists to to do
to do music videos too, I would imagine.
Yeah, I'm mostly working like country music, mainly editing,
but lately I've been kind of directing like smaller.
They call them visualizers now. They just like the official
music video that you see on YouTube is starting to die down.
And that that makes basically means like they're cutting
budgets in like half, but they still want a video for content.
So it's kind of like a glorified performance video.
So that's like kind of where I come in.
But like if you look at music videos from like the 80s and
90s, most of those are like glorified or like not glorified.
They are like the pinnacle performance videos.
It's just the artist like lit really well and shot really well
except for David Fincher, Michael Bay who made some pretty
awesome videos. Fincher did a Madonna video
right? I think so.
Yeah, I forget which one, but I know he did a Madonna video.
But yeah, I mean, like I said, there's a long standing history
with film directors doing music videos.
It happens. Yeah.
I think David Lynch did the
Wicked game one right for Chris Isaac, I think.
Or maybe I have that wrong. I'm not sure.
He's done some of his own. These videos are super bizarre.
Yeah, yeah, Wicked games kind of chill, Yeah, compared to that,
but yeah, absolutely. So what I mean when you're when
you're a kid, I mean, is this a passion you've had since you
were a kid? Is this something you picked up
in your in your, you know, in your 20s or whatever?
Or did you like, what's the thing?
What's the thing you watch that was like that?
I want to I want to do that. Well, I mean, like it's like,
honestly, it's these two movies. Like weirdly enough, like I, I,
I saw Rocky way before cliffhanger, but that's like
what got me onto like the Stallone kick.
But yeah, I've been wanting to do this ever since I was like,
really young. Like for some reason, like back
when we had VHS, I'd like record like every like Sunday night
movie. And that to me felt like
filmmaking by pressing the record button and then like
taping over it felt like editing out of it.
But yeah, like, yeah, just basically want to do it since I
was like, really young. And it just found like music
videos was like a good way to just kind of like, almost like a
real film school where you could kind of like experiment and
like, kind of like mess around with stuff and like learn how to
like Amanda crew and craft and all that stuff.
Yeah, sweet. Well, I mean, that's a perfect
segue into let's talk about cliffhanger first, because I
don't know a lot about Sylvester Stallone.
I did not grow up watching Sylvester Stallone.
I mean, you do, but not in the way that a lot of people do.
He was not the everybody had their, like, action hero staple
in their house. And typically, I've noticed it
was somebody that like, the mom thought was hot and then the dad
thought was cool and they had like a mutual appreciation.
And then as a kid, you watch all their movies.
For me, it's the second guy we're talking about.
But, but Sylvester Stallone and I have seen now I've seen a lot
more Stallone films. But I I mean, he has an
interesting origin story. I mean, I'll tell you that much,
but. Yeah.
Tell me about Stallone before we get into cliffhanger.
What? Why Stallone?
Why is he such a such an institution?
Well, for me it it all started with Rocky.
I guess like my personal journey with Stallone, it's all about
like just seeing that I, I can remember like clear as day.
When I first saw Rocky, I was just like, I think it was like a
snow day and I had nothing to do.
And I was just like walking around the house and my dad was
watching Rocky. And it was that scene where he
confronts Mickey at the gym asking why he never gave him a
shot. And then he tells him he's just
like nothing but a loan shark and had the talent.
But now that he's like 30, like you're washed up as a boxer and
like, you wasted all that time breaking knuckles and like not,
you know, fighting in the ring. And I had no idea what that
meant when I was like 5 or 6 years old.
But like, just the way he walked, the way he talked, like
his cadence in his voice was very just like unique for a
leading man. I can't remember I should know
this like off the top of my head, but he was born with like
a a cleft palate or something like so it's like half of his
face is kind of like droopy and paralyzed a little bit like very
miniscule. I might be completely wrong on
that fact. But like that's kind of like
what gives him that Stallone draw because his like brother
doesn't have it. So he just has like kind of like
that kind of unique persona going on.
And for me, it's just like he kind of, he kind of does what
we're all doing right now. He like wrote Rocky for himself
in like a three day span based off that one boxer.
I know his first name's Chuck. I don't know like everybody's
name like verbatim. But like, he knocked, he knocked
out, I think Muhammad Ali in like the third or fourth round.
Which is, yeah, I know you're talking about, yeah.
Yeah, Chuck Web Webner. I don't know.
I could be wrong. Yeah.
So he saw that. I think he saw that live at like
Madison Square Garden and then. Yeah, Chuck Wetner, Chuck.
Wetner yeah. And then he just like, stayed up
for three days and started riding Rocky.
And then he he would not back down, you know, when he was
trying to shop this around to studios because they wanted like
Burt Reynolds or I think even like Frank Sinatra.
It was like there's like, there's always like that list of
actors that like was going to play this role.
But he like went back down. He like sold his dog that he
bought back during production, whose butt kiss.
So like that kind of like that. I don't know that kind of like
like endurance or something is just like always captivated me.
And I, I think I saw Cliffhanger like a right, right around the
time I saw the Patriot too, is that they were both like on TV.
Yeah, yeah. And like, I don't know, like for
me, I think I've seen Cliffhanger more than like any
other movie, especially at Stallone's, because that opening
scene and re watching it last week, it's like, it's so gut
wrenching. It's like his, I think
Cliffhanger is like his Mission Impossible because like they do
that huge helicopter shot where he's like underneath the Cliff
and it's really him, you know, climbing that mountain.
It's like insane. I don't know that that movie
just has such a propulsive like pace to it.
There's like no fat at all to it.
It's just like go, go, go. It it's crazy and you think
cliffhanger is really cool like it's I I had never seen it
actually. Yeah, I had never seen it.
I I knew what it was. It was it's I was like wow, a
Denver Co like rock climbing action drama.
It sounds incredible and Stallone looks like hyper jacked
in this. It's it's out of control.
But he just lats like just lat pull ups all day.
It's just it's just such a like a show off like testosterone
Stallone movie and it's got this.
I mean, you think it blows its wad early, particularly with the
with the plain towing scene. Like you think you're like, how
do you like OK, the rest of the movie is going to be lame like
after this, because you and then you're like, Nah, actually, a
guy gets rammed into a into a icicle and icicle, but like
alone doing like a like like a guy.
It's amazing. I I love it.
I was like inside. Did you have you seen this
movie? Before, no, I I didn't know
about it, but then once I I totally got it, I was like, Oh
yeah, I see what this is. And yeah, I love the back story.
Michael Rooker, he's just getting taken to L after L the
whole movie. I know.
Michael Rooker, who played Henry Lee Lucas in Portrait of a
Serial Killer, which is an unhinged ass movie.
Like you're just, I can't. You can't.
It's like, it took me a while. I was like, damn, that's Henry
Lee Lucas right there. And I, I gotta be, I, I'm not
ashamed to admit I'm like, oh, that's The Walking Dead guy or
the Merle or whatever. You know that from the early.
I've never even seen that. Yeah, he's like the brother or
something. Yeah, so.
Interesting. John Lithgow.
I mean, you have John Lithgow hitting the British accent.
Love it. Yeah, Every, every.
I just love these like I love I it's got everything that's like
really cozy about that era too, of just like guy like, you know,
big action intro and then guys walking with like folders.
This guy's a bad fucking guy. This.
Oh yeah, dude. This folder you open it up, look
at all this crazy shit he did and you know, and then the like
the and then the beautiful, the beautiful Colorado scenes, the
beautiful horse ranch, whatever the horse rehabilitation ranch
with this horse girl, ex-wife, girlfriend, I have no idea.
He's wearing like a wedding ring.
I cannot couldn't even remember what their relationship was but.
I didn't catch that. Well, she had a wedding.
He had a wedding ring on. It's interesting.
I was like, wait, is there like a dead wife or something?
It doesn't matter. Yeah, it like literally doesn't
matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter at all.
It's like, it's kind of feminine of me to observe that, to be
honest about Stallone. But it was just hilarious.
But I yeah, shout out to Leon, by the way, I love yeah, Leon.
He popped the I just the other day.
We cut, you know, with low res. We covered above the rim where
he's with with two. He's Tupac's brother in Above
the Rim and he's an ex basketball player who threw a
dream away. And and he also played David
Ruffin in the Temptations movie, which was something I watched
over and over and over again as a kid.
It's probably bad, but I just like, had it on all the time
just randomly. And then I was like, he's like
Ichiro. He just has like one name in the
credits. I love it.
Yeah, absolutely. Like he's not a star in any way,
shape or form, but he's like, yeah, I only have one name.
It's Leon. Yeah.
I just. I know that shit.
Like growing up I was like, who is that guy?
Because they like never like match 2 was playing who it was
like Leon who's I was always like guessing which actor that
was, but. It's it's incredible.
But yeah, I just like this seems like this seems like such a a, a
fun project, you know what I mean?
Like such a fun thing to make. Like, you know, there's like,
it's probably got the same arduous process that making any
movie is, but you're just like, as the viewer, you're just like,
that looks so fucking sick. Oh, it's so fun.
You know, like kids playing with toys, like ramming vehicles
together, Michael Bay and South Park kind of thing.
The the helicopter, like I remember getting like a
helicopter that looked like that for Christmas because I was so
obsessed with that that movie and I'm like I'm single digits
like, you know, kid watching this movie it like re watching
it. It's still like kind of holds up
when like obviously in like some of the wide shots when the the
helicopter's like hanging, like they're hanging from a quite a
distance. Those step men are like fighting
on this helicopter and there's like, no, I'm assuming there's
like a safety net underneath, but I'm like that could still
like break and fall. Like obviously like Stallone and
Jonathan Lithgow were probably in like a studio, but that still
like looks insane and sick to me so.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you hear about that too. Like you hear about the Sam
Peckinpah, like stuff like people just like fall.
Like there's, there's a scene, I heard J David Osborne bring this
up and I I I know exactly what he's talking about.
There's a scene in like the Wild Bunch and this is what, late 60s
where there's a guy who like gets shot like western style out
of like the top of a, you know, like a two-story kind of thing.
And he just falls and he falls really awkwardly.
Like, I don't think he was meant to fall on this random piece of
wood. And I'm like, did that guy die?
That guy? I have a feeling that guy died
or something. Or I had like internal bleeding
or something. Something like insane where I
was like, man. And then like, that's why when
you watch like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, like the Cliff
Booth character played by Brad Pitt, it's like it when you
realize like what stuntmen actually do for like, like in in
Hollywood, it's I don't know if it's that way anymore.
It's probably not. It's probably all Marvel with
like the little light bulb things all over you.
You know, I'm assuming that's how stuff does.
But man, there was an era where it was like stuntmen were
probably so tight, like. Oh yeah, I think there's like, I
don't know why this reminds me of this movie, but obviously
like animals too were like dead in like some of these older
movies. Like I don't know if you've seen
Heaven's Gate, there's so many shots of these like horses that
take like head dives on the side of mountains.
I'm like, that horse is dead. Even if it like walked away,
it's like that's you know, it's insane, but.
Andre Rublev is another one which is crazy where like
there's a horse that like there's a battle, there's the
Mongols or whatever that are invading the rush.
It's a very old school movie. And I just know in like
Communist Soviet Union, like they were not tripping off
killing an animal in a movie as well.
And especially in, you know, in the city.
I forget when that was made by the 60s or something.
And there's a horse that like runs up some steps like out of
fear and then just straight topples down and falls down.
I was like. Oh yeah.
I'm pretty sure that horse died and that's like it's it's sad
and and and police story is another one if you watch.
The That's a good one. The first police story with
Jackie Chan, you're like, holy shit.
Like the the stuff that that movie alone is like just for the
stunts is like unreal. And it is this very funny movie
too. But I was just like, these
movies are are crazy. But like, yeah, they keep the
deaths keep getting crazier and crazier in cliffhanger.
That's what I like about it. And it's, you know, the the name
is a bit of a double entendre, but like it's it's just like it
was, it was so fun. We my wife and I watched it.
You know, you open some beers and just throw it on.
It's just totally one of those movies which is a genre that
doesn't exist anymore. Not so much the that action, but
the like, open up some beers and have some fun movie, Yeah.
Like the closest, the closest we get is like Top Gun Maverick,
which is like a really good movie but it's not as like gory
or violent. Like I would argue cliffhanger
in parts is like a slasher, especially how he kills Leon.
Leon with the blood in his mouth.
The blood in his mouth is crazy. You're like, whoa.
Yeah, and it kind of comes out of nowhere, like you think he's
about to Stolen's about to get killed and he just like hits him
in the balls, grabs him by the balls and just shoves him
through that like little. It's not an icicle, but it's
like something in a cave. The Transporter movies were like
the last time I remember just thinking like, look how cool
this guy is. Then he's going to be cool and
nobody's going to kick his ass. There's going to be times where
you're going to think like, oh man, he's really, he's really
gotten himself into it now and then.
But he but you know, they're going to get out of it.
Like John Wick is great. I like the John Wick movies, but
he's kind of like a sad sack character a little bit.
And then there's like that, that God awful Bob Odenkirk one where
he's like John Wick. Yeah, terrible.
Just like I I was like, no, no, no.
Can the guy be cool and like appealing and like women get
excited about him? You know what I mean?
Like, can that be a thing? Can we can we scratch primal
itches with these movies a little bit?
Yeah, the thing about like that movie with Bob, Bob Owden, Kirk,
Nobody, Yeah, nobody. It's trying to take in every man
and make him like a like an assassin and can kick
everybody's ass and kill everybody.
But like the way movies like cliffhanger and die hard and
even like Lethal Weapon, they're able to take these like larger
than life guys and like they have like kind of there he goes
again. I love that it was like cameo.
They're able to take back these larger than life guys and like
give them like every man like back stories, but like also make
them like super likeable and like basically like these
killing machines. But it does it so well.
I don't know, like like for me, like John Wick, it's it's fun,
but it's it's like take. It's like it's taking it till
itself like too seriously, but also not at the same time.
It's like doesn't know how to commit like these movies like
like cliffhanger, like the character Gabe Walker.
It's like this is just who he is.
Like he's able to like protect himself because he's he knows
these mountains, but it also is kind of funny.
It's like he has no qualms about killing these guys anyway too.
It's like, it's not even like brought up as like a as like a
thing, you know? Right, So you're right.
And and nowadays I think you have like there, it's weird.
There's there's obviously you can go back and a lot of like
kind of like movie podcasty people will go back and like
Cobra is a big one with the one that they do and they go, this
is absurd. Let's laugh at it like this is
absurd. But then like nowadays you see
the new films that are like this, like let's take that Bob
Odenkirk movie. The irony's baked in already.
It's almost like they're waiting.
They're trying to avoid that crowd a little bit.
And I'm like, Nah, just like let them do that.
Like it's fun. Who cares?
Like, like it's still, you know, I could, if I wish I could have
seen cliffhanger on like a in the era of like big sprawling
cinema of the early 90s where I could just be like, that's
playing this weekend. I saw the commercial for that on
the football game this weekend. I'm going to go see that.
And then you're just like next weekend.
Something else is really cool is coming out too.
But like, yeah, you know what I mean?
Like it was just no big deal. And and and you don't worry.
You weren't worried about like, yeah, I could get bad reviews,
but not really like a movie. Like that's not if it's done
that well, it's going to do well.
You know, it's if it's that well, it's going to do well.
Well, like they put, they put so much and I would, I wouldn't
call this, I don't know if this is like an average action movie
of the 90s because like this was like pretty big budget for its
time. I think it was like 50 million,
which is like 150 or 200 now. So like definitely putting like
a lot of stake into it, but it's not like they're on location
like filming in these mountains. They're like freezing their ass
off like half the shots are like not like I don't know how much
you know about like continuity, but like half these don't match
because it's like snowing in one shot.
And then it'll be like overcast, like slightly overcast sunny
because it's like that's they're on location, you know, and like
you can't you can't get those vistas anywhere else.
Like now they just put it in like a like a VR background,
like moving background, but like that.
And then like that stunt that was like mentioned earlier on
the planes, like that's a real guy, like sliding across 2
planes and like that's like 3 planes up in the air.
And like this cameraman is just like trying to film it, make
sure it's like in focus. You know, it's, I don't know,
like that's why you go to the movies, you know, like that's
because you want to see these like larger than life spectacles
on screen. And that's like going back to
your comment about like Cobra and how these like it's really
annoying, like podcasts like make fun of it.
It's like, dude, like you have what else are you going to do?
It's like that's what at the at the time, that's like what made
movies so special. You know, it's like, it was
cool. It still is cool.
It's like, but you're not like cool enough to like get it and
you have to make it so ironic. But I could.
That's like another tangent. Well, there's a little too much
testosterone for them to actually lean into it sometimes.
Like they're trying, they're trying to hate on something
because it's not in vogue anymore, you know, I mean, we
got like, maybe they're hating on it to hate on it.
Like there's this classic laugh at everything big problem when
you go to screenings now and stuff of people just laughing.
Like that was my best. I went and saw Terrifier 3,
which I don't think is as good as two.
A lot of people liked it more than two.
But I went and saw it and people were, First off, there were kids
in the audience. People were just like kids,
which I'm like, you should not take your for kids to see this.
And and but then everybody was laughing.
I'm like this, like there's parts of terrifying that are
kind of funny, but like they're laughing at like everything.
And it was just people laughing at gore.
And I was like, this doesn't, I don't like this, you know, like
there's people laughing. I went to, I went to see like 4
David Lynch movies at my local theatre, like art house theatre
because I'm like, I'm gonna hate the experience of watching it
with these people, but I have to see this.
I've never seen David Lynch movie on the big screen.
I have to do it. And like it's the same, it's the
same thing. It's like they're laughing at
all the, the moments that are like inappropriate to laugh at.
Like they were laughing at like Isabel Rossellini.
And near the end of the movie Blue Velvet where she's like
fully naked, but it's like not as sexy naked.
She was completely like raped and like beat up and like, she's
asking for help and they're like laughing at it because she has
like a funny voice and they're like, laughing at like
throughout a lost highway like it was.
Laughing at Lost Highway. That's not allowed.
I know it was like, but it's funny because they would laugh
at like, the memeable stuff. Yeah.
Robert. Robert Loggia or.
Whatever, he says some funny things at least.
That his PSA about not tailgating is like something I
lived by all time. But like but I could I could
sense they were getting uncomfortable during all the
like sex scenes and nude scenes, which is interesting.
Like I could hear some like people squirm.
It's like, I don't know, like they want to laugh at it, but
they also can't handle it at the same time.
Well, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're look, they're
like. Was the intimacy coordinator
consulted during this? I know not my poor, sweet David.
He's a eunuch. He would never do something.
It's like, no. David Lynch has a libido like
every man used to. You know, I like, like, David
Lynch likes all of this. I I hope you understand this,
guys. David Lynch is a pervert.
Yeah. He's a big time.
Pervert. RIP.
He's like, RIP, huge pervert, but he had the aw shucks, aw
shucks, yes. Where everybody didn't know what
it like. Everybody was like, oh, that
David, he's he what he's doing is art.
It's like, no, it is art. But he's also a pervert.
He's yeah. There's no especially after
watching Lost sideways like he, there's something going on there
you like, and he got away with it like you know.
Still my favorite. That's still my favorite Lynch
movie. I love that movie.
That's great. Yeah.
So, yeah, that, gosh, what was I going to say?
Oh, who is the Doctor Phil guy? This movie, the guy looks like
Doctor Phil. I see him all the time.
I love him. I see him all the time in movies
around this era. That's Rex Lynn.
I think he's married to. What's her name?
She's that country * Reba. Reba Mack.
He's married to Reba Mackintyre. I think so, yeah.
I think they just got married like five years ago.
I was looking on his Wikipedia page.
But yeah, he's he's he's my favorite.
Like he has so many funny like excess cursing, like curse words
and like lines, especially when he's calling out Eric Whelan,
the very end on the walkie-talkie.
Like that sound like the best unfiltered, like, you know,
rants in an action movies like this.
But yeah, he was in. I know he's in rush hour.
Yeah, I don't know what. Else another classic and this is
a 90s classic, kind of forgotten classic for me.
I don't think this movie did that well in theaters.
Maybe it did. But breakdown Kurt Russell, that
movie rules. It's just straight up like
California desert trucker trucker thriller.
Oh my God, so classic. Like Kurt Russell plays like,
not a yuppie, but just like a suburban guy and he and his car
breaks down and he's like, I'll send my wife by herself to go
get help. This trucker is really nice.
He'll take her somewhere and then she's kidnapped.
And then it's Kurt Russell. Fight or flight mode the rest of
the movie. Fantastic.
OK, maybe. Yeah, I highly recommend.
Yeah, I love it. But yeah, Cliffhanger was just
really fun. I was like, man, can movies just
be fun now? Like I'm so I'm so sick of like
the letter. I mean it's just like
letterboxed and like Reddit. I feel like directors now the
4th wall or the wall between that is like broken.
I feel like directors have that in their mind is like, what are
people in letterbox and Reddit? And are people going to pick it
in the Criterion closet? I'm just like, dude, please make
theaters are dying for theaters are dying for reasons out of
their control. But also, there's just not that
fun theatre movie that isn't Marvel, that isn't an already
successful IP. Yeah, you know that.
Like just make a fun exploding movie.
Like, gosh, like it's, I don't know, maybe it's tougher than
you think. I don't know.
But yeah. I don't know.
I don't know how you bring back that kind of sincerity of a of a
movie. That cliffhanger is in that kind
of category, that kind of bombastic, kind of like, well,
it's a Stallone vehicle, so it's Stallone and then it's
cliffhanger. So like you're paying for
Stallone first and then you're paying for like the movie under
that, which you don't don't really have any more.
The closest we have is like Mission Impossible, which I'm a
huge fan of. So every time that comes out,
I'm like there day one, but like, but that used to be the
norm. That's that wasn't like a
rarity. It was like, you know, I don't
know, like it, you're right. Like the, the whole letterbox
thing, the Reddit thing. It, it, I'm not going to lie, it
is a thing that I feel like you think about when you're making
something and it's like, I don't know, like I think directors
were more concerned about like getting their days done, like
having no cell phones on set, like having nothing but time to
think about the project. And then also doing cocaine on
the side probably helped. Absolutely, yeah, 100% one of
the best, like just of the like the the I'm not going to call
him shitty because I don't think this movie was shitty, though I
haven't revisited, but like I remember my grandfather him and
I like he he was like really old like for my grandma.
I think you had my dad when he was really old and then he was
really old when I was a kid and he was just, I didn't dislike
him. I ended up as I got older, I
loved him, but I just didn't like know what to like talk to
him about when I was just 8 or whatever.
And he, he one day he took me to see a movie and he had seen it
on TV. It's called Triple X.
First he's like, you know, my grandma's like you're taking him
to porn, you know, and, and so then we go and see it and he
thinks like, I'm just going to really like it.
I'm going to like score points with my grandson.
And I did love it. And we're both just like eating
M&M's and just like straight up jaw on the floor.
My grandpa who's like maybe the last movie that he had really,
he was like really into like movies like Crimson Tide and
like, oh sure, yeah, great movies, but like ship dramas,
Navy, like, you know, stuff Gene Hackman, stuff like that.
But he was just like, this is a dude jumping out of a plane into
a Dodge Viper and then like like an already running Dodge Viper.
And the guys, it was Vin Diesel. And my grandpa couldn't stop
talking about it for like 5 years.
It was not even like I'm sure me being there was a lot of fun for
him, but he was like, no, the movie was sick.
He was like, and he watched like.
I think he watched the first Fast and the Furious because of
it. Like.
This is Vin Diesel because he's like that's what you did.
His era was like what is the next, you know, Charlton Esten
movie, you know what I mean? Like his era, like whatever he's
doing next, that's what we're going to go see.
I don't know, kept up with the franchise.
I don't think he did with Fast. There is, but or the ice?
I don't think. I don't.
For some reason I don't think he followed the Triple X Ice Cube
version. For some reason, yeah, State of
the Union, that was just like a sequel, but like spin off, I
don't know. Yeah, I don't think I think
already the bald Italian was a stretch for him.
But the, you know, Ice Cube might have been too A bridged
too far. Yeah.
Should we talk about the Patriot?
Yeah. The pay any, any last thoughts
on cliffhanger guys? I, I I, I mean, we could always
come back to it, but I, I, I loved it.
Highly recommend. What's that?
No, I think we're good. I'm good.
OK. I'll probably bring it back up,
but. Of course, Stallone Gibson, Of
course they fought once. You should have sent me a clip.
They fought in The Expendables 3.
Yeah, Mel Gibson and Stallone. That's so tight.
Like, I know I never watched those.
I I haven't watched any of them. I I was like, that can't be
good. But like, I know some people
that actually quite enjoyed them.
I've only seen one and two. 2 is better than the first one.
The first one. Stallone directed the first one
and he did that right after Rainbow four, or Rainbow as it's
called, which is really good. But like Rainbow has like kind
of like a serious tone to it. It's like horrifically violent.
And the first Expendables movie is like not having fun with
itself. Like it's taking itself a little
too seriously with like there's like a full on waterboarding
scene that's like in detail, like handheld up close.
And it goes on for like 2 or 3 minutes and it's like, can we
get back to Dolph Lunderyn, like?
You know, exactly. That's what I'm here for.
I'm here for the, I'm here for to watch these guys like, you
know, who were staples, you know, and it's, it's basically
like a Marvel Universe, like Avengers, but for these guys,
you know. Predated Adventures 2 that's.
True. Yeah, There you go.
From the Five. To the six we be in the mess
without making me paint job on the wind.
I need food for the kids, money for the red.
So The Patriots is directed by Roland Emmerich and he directed
Independence Day, I think was his biggest smash.
I would guess this one was too. He would eventually do like 2012
I think was another one. I don't, I looked at his
filmography and I'm just like, yeah, there's it's just all like
disaster movies that I don't watch typically.
Like, I mean, not that I don't, I avoid them, but I was like, oh
man, this guy really didn't do much else, did he?
Like that was worth it. But hey, had two smash hits and,
you know, as Orson Welles says, you only need one, which I don't
think. I don't think it's true.
He just made Citizen Kane. Yeah, Yeah.
All right, dude. And.
At 25. At 25 years old, dude, I heard
Peter Bogdanovich talk about because I covered The Last
Picture Show not long ago, and he was like, I felt like such a
failure because I said if I didn't make my first feature by
25 like Orson Welles, I felt like such a failure.
I was like, dude, shut. Up, yeah.
Like, like, like you're going to make me suicidal.
It's it's 23 because Paul Thomas Samson did heart eight at 23.
It's like we could bam off the brakes.
You got time, you know. I'll put it to you this way, I
don't think Heart 8's any good. So he didn't make his first good
film after for a while to be. Honest, I'll totally.
Like, I mean, it's impressive. It's an impressive for like what
it was, but I was and the fact that he got the people in it
that were in there, I was like, wow, that's that's pretty
impressive. But I remember I went through
like all his filmography. I was like, yeah, that's people
like pretend that that's his best movie and I just.
Don't think it's not Boogie Nights is his best.
I love There Will be blood but Boogie Nights.
For Boogie, Boogie Nights is the most like rewatchable.
Like There Will Be Blood is like you get a craving for it every
couple of years and you watch it and you're like, Oh my God, the
you know, the scene of leaving his son on the train.
You're just like, oh God, yeah, it's a it's this like it takes
so much out of you. Whereas Boogie Nights is like,
holy shit, that's like an A porn epic.
Like it's never happened and it's so cool.
So then OK, the the patriot I this was a movie like you said.
I watched like over and over again, like on TVI think I but
we grew. I did not have money growing up,
but my parents had HBO. Like there would be times like
our phones would be off, like straight up.
But like the TV was popping like, yeah, like which, hey, I
would do the same thing. Yeah.
Why would I wanna hear the bill collectors call?
And but the cable bill with HBO was on.
And that was like, not everybody had HBO back then like you do
now. And I the patriot was always on.
I heard her watching it and I was like, this movie's fucking
sick. And and then like you would
rewatch it And what makes it so cool?
Obviously Mel Gibson makes it so cool.
Mel Gibson dad core. Like, yes, it's it's you cannot
Mel Gibson dad core era from which was from, I guess 2000 up
until that cartel, that blood father movie, which is great.
Yeah. That was like that era of like
just 10 years of I think a decade of Mel Gibson dad corps
movies. Signs, which I am an apologist
for. I love Signs.
Yeah. And I'm forgetting a couple, I'm
sure, but like just just those edge of darkness.
Ransom he's a, he's avenging his like, yeah, Ransom that that has
an awesome fight scene at the end too.
Yeah, dead wife core too. Big time widower.
He's a big time widower guy. Like wife is like always dead in
the movie. And I would watch it over and
over again. But what makes it really crazy
is that it starts off like literally like Disney level
corny, like just like, wow, these are like Disney level
corny, but like the sprawling, beautifully shot, like fields
and like all this is incredible. And then it turns into like
disgusting gore and out of nowhere, like guys legs getting
sawed off and you're like, what is this?
As as I get older and older, I'm like, I can't believe this ever
happened. And it's a by the way, it's a
movie about America, which a lot a lot of people probably don't
like, you know, right. I love it though.
Sigh. You, you're a big fan.
And yeah, you and I are in agreement on this, right?
It's better than Braveheart. Yeah, it's always been my
favorite. It's the best.
And I'm not a Mel Gibson expert by any means, but it's always
been my favorite male. And I tried from, I watched it
mainly, I gotta be honest, in clips.
So were you watching for this time?
Because I couldn't find it online.
It was on Tubi, but it wouldn't let me click it.
And it was in like Spanish. Yeah.
And I was just. But but it rules.
Oh, no, the span. No, that sorry.
By the way, the Spanish is English.
I because when I rented it on prime, it said El Patriota.
El Patriota, which is tight. Yeah, like that is tight.
It is like yeah, it is tight. Yeah, like, but but I was like,
what is it? Because they're doing weird
things to Mel's movies. I've noticed they took Isaiah
33, the scripture out of Passion of the Christ ran on streaming
service. Yeah, interesting.
I have thoughts on that. That I won't say.
Right. Is that the is that the opening
verse? Yeah, OK.
Yeah, by the by the way, I forgot to comment on
Cliffhanger, the title card, one of the best ever title.
Yeah, but yeah, but The Patriot Yeah, but on the I just saw
somebody on Twitter post that and I haven't rewatched it and I
have a DVD copy of it, but I rented Passion of the Christ
last year. I was bleeding wisdom teeth out,
wanted to wanted to bleed with my savior, you know, and
solidarity with my Savior. But I I was watching it and it
was on during that because it's a beautiful verse.
But yeah, like there are people like reporting.
It's just gone like from the current.
I'm like, that is weird. Yeah, yeah.
So just that's technically Mel Gibson dad core movie in a way
too Passion of the Christ. Think about it.
Yeah. The dad.
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. But yeah, I you're.
But you're like, I love the. I just love this movie because
for one, it's such a formula. And I love the formulas of these
movies, like the formula of the Stallone vehicle, the Mel
Gibson. You're allowed to.
You can do more things with Mel than you can Stallone.
I mean, I just, you just can. And because Mel Gibson is the
best movie crier to ever exist. 100%.
Dude, his twitching of his face, it kills me.
Like when he's when, when he's holding Heath Ledger, you're
just like, like it's so. Sad wretching.
It's not. Wretching that and the even the
scene when he says goodbye to his daughter and the daughter
finally like talks to him like that had me like choked up a
little bit too. The way he's just like desperate
not to leave, looking at his soon to be wife but also
sister-in-law. Base base, by the way, I think
that's time I told my wife the same thing.
I was like, I don't have a brother, but if I did, that's
what I would expect to happen if I went like, I'm medieval with
it, dude, unless he's like a junkie or something.
But like otherwise I'd be like, no, that's you don't have a
choice. It's him now.
Like, yeah, I feel like. But then we can all like then in
heaven, like you're kind of like, at least I know that guy,
you know, it's not like I have to do some dude you met on like
Tinder, you know, and that's. Totally awkward.
Yeah, yeah. Really.
Yeah, let's not talk about that. But we have eternity for us.
Yeah. Is it Charles?
Yeah. Or is that Yeah, you're just
like saying, I don't know, I wouldn't want that so.
But yeah, that part is crazy. Isn't that his actual daughter
too? I don't know, it could be.
I thought the blonde girl was his actual daughter and he only
has one daughter. He's got like 50 kids, but.
Yeah, he's got quite a few. Yeah, amazing.
But yeah, he. Did a great job, you know, like
crying in that so Oh my God, oh it's.
Brutal man, I got. But yeah, it starts off.
There's like these gags in this movie that are like stupid, like
the the ink thing is like so dumb, but it but then it sets up
just straight up dread for the rest of the movie.
Like it just pressed the dread so perfectly.
Like I've just never seen any. And I think maybe that's a
testament to like Roland Emmerich, just maybe not like
making that many good movies like I just want.
I I have a theory that he didn't direct half of this.
Yeah. Mel.
And this feels like Mel took over at some point because I
I'll be honest, I don't like Roland Emmerich that much.
Like I don't like Independence Day, I hate 2012.
I think that's the last movie I've ever seen of his like that
was just garbage to me. And like he Michael Bay is
better in this regard. Actually you respect Michael
Bay, but like Michael Bay does that annoying sidekick better
than the Roland Emmerich does. Like it.
Roland Emmerich always has like this neebish kind of like self
hating Jew character in his movies and like, I don't know,
it always just like rubs me out the wrong way.
But yeah, there's none of like there's silly gags in the
Patriot, but all of like the battle scenes and like the
emotional stuff feels like Gibson had his hand like
directly over that. And it, and it's weird and I
wonder how much 'cause you watch, I think that Blood Father
movie that came out much later that's directed by someone else.
But it felt like just like, I'm the biggest Mel Gibson fan of
all time. Let me do everything Mel would
like, want in a movie. And I almost wonder if that's
where we're at sometimes where it's like even just Mel's
presence is like, well, this is, this is we're just doing the Mel
Gibson thing because it works. Oh, well, you know, Lethal
Weapon. Lethal Weapons, Another movie
where his wife's dead. Yeah, that scene always kills
me. Lethal up when he looks at the
picture and he just like, yeah, he can't handle it.
But yeah, what were you gonna say?
So. Just on this topic, I like the
fat with Apocalypto. Any of these Braveheart like the
church scene burning everyone alive, the red coats burning
where they always have to do these little fact checks of the
history of Mel Gibson movies. Like I hate that.
Remember how much? You know, yeah.
And it's, I just love that part of it, that.
First off, fuck that, fuck the British.
Yeah. I, I especially right now, like
right now watching this movie, I, I like, I've never been like
rah rah American flag guy. Right now I kind of am, but
especially when it comes to Britain after what they've put
out on Netflix. Recently we just, we just never,
we just never have to listen to them again on anything.
You know, it's just, yeah, we're we're done.
And I'm hired, but it's like on both hands, like they persecuted
both. You know what I'm saying?
Like I I don't. Worst empire ever.
But you know what I mean? There's just always this weird,
like kind of nagging, kind of like going after Mel.
It's always been that way too, you know?
It's just always like, actually that never really happened.
And it's like, it's a fucking movie, first of all, you know?
And I don't know, it's just. Funny.
Well like I said, any YouTube that does that to Mel Gibson
movies, I then take their go on their channel and I search
hidden figures and they don't. They didn't Fact Check hidden.
Figures. So, all right, it is, it is
astounding how many like if you just YouTube the Patriot review
or you'll just get a whole stack of just like worst written
character ever. Like, yeah, the Patriot
misogynist, you know, like. Yes, I don't know, like yes.
And, and you Google it too and it's, it's nothing but just like
bad articles. And you get the same not to an
extent because I think Braveheart, because it's like
such an award-winning movie. I don't think the Patriot won
anything or was nominated for even best picture.
But even that is, is it's always like there's a slander of like
Mel Gibson's movies that are trying to like get you away from
watching it. It's it's a weird little
conspiracy that I kind of like stumbled upon.
Like even last night, like after rewatching it, I was just like,
I want to hear, I want to find at least a review about the
movie and not about how accurate it was.
And I couldn't find one. Oh, no, and and there isn't like
this like objective, like final boss quality.
If you hate Mel Gibson, like you got to break out your big guns
to take him down. Like there's just because
because First off, everyone loves him secretly.
Like that's the problem. Like, hey, I dude, when I was
growing up, now I'm come from a family of like Democrats who
don't like him anymore, you know, but my, my mom had a
friend who she also doesn't like him anymore.
She had a dog named Riggs, a dog named Mel.
And like, and I swear to God, dude, like she was just, she was
a hairdresser. So his like big ass, like
feathery mullet back in the day, like was, was, was set in her
wild. And because it's just Mel's just
high tea. He's just, he's just super high
tea. They don't know what to do about
this guy. Like, I'm OK.
Even people that hated him after passion of the Christ, which
yeah, a lot of haters after that, the same people that hate
him gave him a bunch of money to make Apocalypto right after they
were like, you're still hella tight.
You're still hella tight. The so now there's like the I I
saw flight risk in theaters and had a great time.
I had a great time. It's dumb, but it's it's a it's
a fun. That was what I was talking
about. It's just a fun movie that's
self aware. Mel goes on Rogan and says,
look, this is my fun movie. This is my fun movie.
I'm making passion too. I can't.
I cannot. Wait, I can't wait either.
My God, Kavita is back too. Or.
He's going to be sick. Yeah, I'm so pumped.
Like I I just, I can't wait for that.
But a couple things about this movie that I love is right off
the bat you get a a kid dying like Jason Isaacs is is
ruthless. He's having a huge revival
because of White Lotus and rightfully so, but the the Jason
Isaacs back then you have he's in Harry Potter right around
this time too, as luscious villain face to the core, just
British evil bird like villain that he has though his hair
looks sick as fuck in the Heath Ledger scene.
I will say like I I was like, is that real hair?
Like it looks real. His hair, Mel has extensions,
you can tell, but like his hair was like whipping in that Heath
Ledger scene with his gay little British sword that he brings
out. And like, yeah, he's like, but
but he's he's ruthless and he shoots that kid.
And these are all like, look like Disney Channel kids.
I feel like I've recognized these kids from like Disney
Channel original movies and just getting caught in the back in
front of their house, you know? Like what like.
What? This movie is amazing though.
I mean the just the the forest scene, it's probably one of the
best action scenes. The hatchet, the hatchet scene,
giving your kids the gun. Have you given your kids guns
and saying aim small, miss small.
And they're saying it's it's real Disney.
There's a real Disney corniness to it.
But then like some crazy shit is happening.
You're like, whoa. Yeah, I agree.
He had to have directed that scene specifically.
Like, there's no way. Roland Emerick, I don't know.
I just don't think Roland Emerick has that in him.
I agree. I agree.
Because you're expecting all
these other, when you look up his filmography, you're
expecting like, oh, he did that. Yeah, that makes sense.
Oh, he did that. Yeah, that makes sense.
That's a good movie. And you're like, Nah, he doesn't
really. I'm neutral on Independence Day.
I it was never my favorite. I just, I, I have a soft spot
for it because I listen to Art Bell coast to Coast all the time
and his stuff from that time. Everyone's calling.
Hey, Art, this is Jim from New Mexico.
Have you seen Independence Day yet?
I'm done. He's like, no, no, I haven't
seen it yet. I will say, Art, you got to see
Independence Day because it's an alien movie.
I do. That's my bet, my positive
memory of Independence Day. I have a feeling I wouldn't like
it if I watched it again just. Will Smith Will Smith's stuff in
general just doesn't age well. Music movie, you know, like I
hate to say I I got respect for the dude, but it's just you
watch like I robot or whatever, it's it's just Gorny.
It's kind of cool. I do like I robot.
Comedy as a comedic actor, I really like and bad boys wanted
there we go are fantastic. Like and and because it's it's
Will Smith just being funny and Mike Lowrey, you know what I'm
saying? Like like and Martin him and
Martin Lawrence play well together to classic like 90s,
you know, comic comedic sitcom actors essentially.
And and that stuff works. But yeah, like, I am Legend, my
robot is terrible. Like I, I just don't like that
movie at all. Yeah, I, I don't know.
What was the I did not murder him.
It's one of the best lines of all.
Time, yeah. What's the one?
What's the one where he where 5 lbs Or what's what's that one
that did? Not go.
I think it's 7 lbs. Seven.
Yeah, whatever. He was trying to do the pursuit
of happiness, I think, but it failed or something.
Yeah, but people, I mean, I swear, when we were in high
school, remember, he was like, everyone's like, have you seen I
Am Legend? I'm legend.
I saw that in theaters. Line, you know, but but yeah,
Mel, I mean like Mel was just like he's just he just take
your. I think he takes over even by
proxy. Even if he wasn't doing like the
John Cassavetes, like on Rosemary's Baby, like we got to
do this, we got to do that. He might have just, he might
have just taken over by proxy and you, just you.
I think so too. Yeah, 'cause I, I was watching
this interview, Jason Isaacs talking about the making of a
patriot. It was like from a few years
ago. And he said, like, this is how
Mel is on set. He'll just, like, tell you a
story, like a really funny story while chain smoking cigarettes.
And they're like, Mel, we need you.
And it was like during the scene where he whips, he's like hacks
that guy with the tomahawk. And he just like, he's able to
just, like, tell this hilarious story.
And then he gets into character and break back to tears.
And then when he says cut and it goes back to the career, he's
like, so like what I was saying. And then he like, fights up
another. So I think it is just like his,
his, yeah, his, like just through, like his presence and
stuff. Yeah, Anyways, that guy Hiram
Finkelstein I was telling you about.
Yeah. No, he's, he's, yeah, that guy.
I mean, he's, I just find him fascinating.
I I listened to his Joe Rogan interview twice.
I he was incredible. I love how he dodged the theory
of evolution question that Joe wanted to earnestly debate him
on. He's like, don't care.
He's like, he's like, he just don't care.
Anyways, go on any, any. And Mel has this like you could
tell he used to do a lot of drugs because he has that like
bright eye look about him when you talk to him.
But I love his new look with the with the beard, the kind of like
castaway look that he does drag it across concrete is a is a, in
my opinion, just a classic. Let's it's still the that I was.
I'm forever grateful for S Craig Zola for bringing back like a
bunch of cancelled actors in like these three wonderful films
that he made. And but within the Patriot, it's
like, it's like, again, you're like, I can't stress it enough.
It feels like you're watching like Jerry Bruckheimer's like
Pirates of the Caribbean that turns into like Americans, like
Blood Meridian or something. Yeah, so crazy.
The battle, the cannonballs blowing off the guy's leg and
the guy's head. Yeah, yeah.
My gosh. I know like that's, that's
incredible. I wonder if like, I guess like
I'm now like connecting like the Disney feel to it with like
especially like the kids and stuff.
Yeah. But I wonder if like it, some of
that is John Williams score that's also feeding into that is
that that score is like one of his best, I think.
But it does get sappy, like because John Williams also has
like a sappy tone to some of his stuff.
Well, you can't do melodies in scores anymore.
It's like, it's like an Antichrist, you know, So that,
that. My boy, my boy, Trent Reznor
ruined that. Unfortunately.
I love him to death. He did ruin that, although he
came back with challengers, at least with Challengers.
He he decided he's doing Tron, the new Tron, which could be
he's going to have to do something like that.
Like it can't, it can't just be, it can't just be ambient, you
know, like it has to, it has to have some sort of at least
rhythmic, technically speaking, has to have like, like some,
some tones that can be catchy or something.
Cuz I, yeah, the Gone Girl score, I don't think is that
good. Like everybody always just goes
like why you won for Gone Girl or Social Network.
I'm like, I, it's fine, it's fine.
I like, I like the big orchestral stuff.
I just give me that stuff. Give me, you know, Hitchcock
movies are so good because Hitchcock's great, because he's
a pervert and because Bernard Herrmann is just like has
incredible side. It's all, it's all great.
And I'm just like, the maximalism of this movie is just
so refreshing. And it's like, they gave you
this much money. You can see every dollar spent,
Yeah, every dollar spent. I mean, these, I mean, just the
war scenes, the marching of it. It kind of is Braveheart in a
way too like. Just the the.
Misfits the, the, the, the militia of just kind of like
farmers and stuff. And I just love that.
It's unapologetically like, let's just do Mel Gibson's
greatest hits. Let's just do Mel Gibson's
greatest hits in a movie. And it works.
It's it's great. I think, I think even the script
works by itself too, because I think his character is
interesting from the bat, You know, it opens with with that
awesome quote. I've long feared that my sins
would come back to haunt me, but the cost is more than I can
bear. And like, that sets the tone,
like, we're going into some serious shit later.
Just letting you know right now we're going to get into like,
Disney ass, you know, plantation stuff.
But yeah, I think the story just like, everything just feels
right. Like, you can you can complain
about the church scene not being historically accurate.
Who cares? Because that makes the ending
fight scene that much more like emotionally satisfying.
You want to and that traitor, that fucking traitor that sold
everybody out. Oh my God, like you want to jump
out the screen and kill him and Jason Isaacs, the turncoat you
want? You want to do it and shout out
to the French guy too. Love the French guy.
Absolutely. I he, he's, I I love the whole
like for some reason I thought this movie was post 911, but it
wasn't. It was.
It was.
Right, because it feels very unify against the common enemy,
like, oh, you're a slave. I don't care, dude.
You're my mad Donald Logue. Like, it's an honor to serve
next to you. I kind of felt like they felt
very post 9/11 propaganda in a way.
I long for that, to be honest. Like, like compared to what we
get now. But yeah, I like long for that.
But it felt like that I was like, wow, this was just like,
kind of like late 90s when it was filmed, like late 90s, just
like multiculturalism, like, let's just have fun.
We have a nation now and it's great.
Yeah. Like it was just, I, I don't
know. And people pretend like, oh,
that was a facade. I was like, I don't know, to me
as a kid, it wasn't, it felt like I wasn't thinking about
racism or any like crazy stuff like that at the time.
And if it was, it was framed to you as like, we solved a lot of
stuff, guys. Yes, our country's history has
some, some, some things with it that maybe you can.
But like we're, we're, we're now we're one world, like we're
together, you know, and all that stuff.
And now it's just like, actually, everything you've been
told is a lie. And this is how we got to the
moon. I'm still stuck on Hidden
Figures. But yeah, I just just I, I, I
love that. And like, I man, I, I can, I
literally want to watch this movie again.
And definitely on that scene, the hatchet scene.
I could watch that just in my dad's a big movie scene on
YouTube guy. And my dad, my dad loves just
watching scenes from like 7 on YouTube or like something like
this. He loves doing that.
I would do that with the hatchet scene, man, because it, it's,
it's too sick. Even the other one too, the one
where they sneak up on the, the little British carriage things
and they think there's like 6 dudes and then they all pop out
like a clown car. They all pop out and then
everybody comes from the hills. It's like it's I, it's a, it's a
feeling I don't get anymore in film.
I, I like, I'm just like, Oh yeah, you know, like, and it's
not just jump scare horror, you know what I mean?
But it's actual dread. It's like, Oh my gosh, like
they're going to lose more people because I've already seen
a kid die. So there's nobody's off limits
and Mel Gibson dies in half the movies he's in.
So you just don't know. Yeah, yeah.
Like, literally. He like rewatching it last
night, I I knew it was coming. Like, I, I know this movie very
well, but it's like, I can't believe they killed off Heath
Ledger like that after burning his wife alive and his entire
family. And then earlier with like
Thomas, the kid that gets shot in the back.
Yeah, like that's insane. And like, yeah, I think these
these types of movies are made with earnesty that it I just
don't think exists in movies anymore.
And I don't know if that's like a millennial problem.
Like I don't, I feel like millennials just like don't know
how to be earnest with their writing or their art or
anything. But like, you don't even like
back then, you don't have to think about being earnest with
what you're writing. You're just like writing it, you
know? Like it's this is, this is what
we're doing. We're not going to comment on
it. Like, I don't know.
Yeah, no, that's the the C word you just said right there.
I think is exactly the millennial problem.
We are, and I say this, I've as a guy who comments on things.
We are commentary just obsessed. Everything is a commentary.
Everything is this, everything is that.
Everything is a comment, blah, blah, blah.
Like we just we wouldn't make this movie.
We wouldn't. Well, for one, millennials, we
have lived experience, but like, we feel the need to like listen
to like other people's lived experience.
We want to tell other people's stories like we want to do.
We just, I don't know, I have a tough time with our generation
right now. It's just been like, it's just,
I don't know, like they cry all the time, which yes, there are
legit problems that have happened to the millennial
generation, but like you kind of like self stunt ourselves a
little bit and like, like don't grow up and, and, and understand
that there are consequences to things and stuff.
And, and just like you can tell, like the like you said, there's
an earnesty and like I even some of my favorite people, I some of
my favorite comedians, some of my favorite personalities or
something. I'm like, you're fucking 37.
Drop the irony. Right.
Yeah. Just like, please stop, like and
they'll, they'll speak in earnest.
They'll speak in earnest, like, and you'll be like, wow, that
was great. And they're like, oh, and they
apologize for it sometimes. And I'm just like, I'm tired of
these ironic movies. I'm tired of fucking people just
break. I saw this horror movie oh God I
can't even remember. It was an Irish horror movie
where this it had a very good concept.
It was a woman. It was like a, It was a woman,
very weird, like Tilda Swinton, greyhound looking woman who had
a like this wooden doll in the house and it was sitting on a
chair and the doll had its mouth open.
It was a big wooden carved out like statue you would see on
like a park bench or something. And it had its mouth carved open
and stuff. And people would go, what the
fuck is that in the room? People would go, what is that?
And she's just like, she was just this person and she's
blind, right? So she's like, what, what's
what, you know, And it was this thing that arrived and it was
this, she was, she was just haunting these people.
And you know, the twist is she they they had her sister killed.
So she was like, I'm a blind woman.
I need help. And then all this weird shit
starts arriving into their house.
The end of the movie is like this.
All of a sudden, this very ironic, like 90s song, I
believe, starts playing. And then it just ruins the
entire tone of the movie. And and I was just like, you
know, I know Luca Guada, he knows not a not a millennial,
but he made a movie called queer, which I thought was quite
interesting. I was like, I was like, this is
this is interesting. Yet we're playing in 50s, Panama
hat 50s like heroin, like paradise, gay heroin, paradise.
We're playing Nirvana, we're playing Prince songs.
And it's just like, what are we? They're trying to catch you off
guard more than they're trying to entertain you.
And it pisses me the fuck off about millennial people.
I think, yeah, I think James Gunn ruined all that for us.
Like just putting like hit soundtracks it like needle.
It's the needle drop thing, which I can't stand anymore.
It's like picking not an obscure seven 70s song, but like not one
that you would know right off the bat.
And then he just drops it on Guardians of the Galaxy.
And now, like every every movie since then is just has to have a
needle drop scene. Gwen Tarantino kind of did it
too, but his felt more organic in that regard.
But I don't know, I think you're right.
Like like like going back to the Patriot, like I was trying to
think of like, for one, like they're like, if you did make
this today and you have the slaves on the plantation and you
have that line of saying like, we're not slaves, we're
freedmen. We work here willingly.
Like even me watching that now, I'm like, that's a stretch.
But also like, if it was made today, that line wouldn't exist
or that character like would probably be elevated to a point
where it's like it'd have to like over shadow, like Mel
Gibson's character or something like that.
Like right? You'd have to comment on it and
you'd have to make a big deal about it.
But this movie is, it kind of does like sweep it under the
rug, but it does it in a way where it's like, this is not
really what this movie's about. It's about it's a revenge movie
with Mel Goodson. Exactly, exactly.
And guess what? American flag at the end, Yeah,
all of it's there. It's, it's, it's, it's
refreshing. You know, at the time you don't
appreciate stuff like that because it's just movies are
like that. And it just, that's what it's
what happens. But yeah, I, the slave thing I
did. I, I we're in a weird spot ever
since 12 Years a Slave. How, like, you can if you're a
white guy making a film. You just can't touch the subject
whatsoever, not from a positive way or from a real, you know,
whatever you think is the realistic way.
I, I Django was also another one like that, though that I think
that's a different kind of movie than than 12 Years a Slave.
It's not meant to be like a historical drama, but the but
like you're not going to do, you're not going to, you're not
going to touch those anymore. But it's like, it's weird
because like then you see movies like, you know, Ryan, what Ryan
Coogler does, which I think he's, I think that guy's a
talented guy that makes bad movies.
Interesting, I love Creed but I don't Creed is.
Good creed is. Good.
I love Creed because I love Stallone, obviously.
No, and it's a good movie. I think Creed is a good like
extension of like the Rock. I hate this term, but like the
Rocky universe, I think it's like a pretty solid like I don't
know if it's like quote UN quote Canon, but like it it, it feels
like I'm like, no, that was cool.
I think what we saw it in theatre.
I was like, this is this is good, you know, and and and all
that. I just like this sinners thing
I'm looking at now. I'm like really 99% Rotten
Tomatoes? Yeah, a little I that's another
problem. I'm interested in seeing that
just because of visually it looks good.
Like that would be a movie that I'd like to see an IMAX.
I'm sure it's gonna make me try to hate myself by the end.
Which again, do it artful. If you're gonna make me think
about something like don't be heavy-handed with it.
Like make a movie that takes me for a ride, you know what I'm
saying? And then the reveal at the end
is like something I would see like during 2020 locked in my
house about how I'm evil, you know what I mean?
Like, that's like, you're right. Like, and, and I, I think, like
I said, this is a talented guy. He's a Bay Area guy, football
player. Like I, I was like, I like his
story and everything. And I feel like, for one, he's
probably just rolling in money right now.
So I can't really, you know, what he's doing makes money,
especially Black Panther and stuff.
But I just man, it is like it, it just I feel like I can I can
watch it and I go you know what I think I know who the villain
is in this and get or if it's or if it's Jordan Peele.
I think I know what the entity is, right.
I know, you know, yeah, yeah, You know, it's just I I think I
know. And and then you, you see it,
you know, the rotten tomato thing that the, the pre like the
rotten tomato rating already comes out.
So then everybody's got that in their mind that this movie's
about this. Therefore it's automatically
good because it's a commentary on this, this issue that could
never be bad if it's done the right way, then it's got 99%.
So you're going against this consensus.
If you don't like it, you're being a contrarian, people say.
And I hate it. I hate the whole echo system of
film right now. Yeah, I have to.
I'm I'm probably going to see that next week, but for those
type of movies, I have to wait like almost years until that
hype kind of dies down. I still haven't seen everywhere,
Everything Everywhere all at once.
I don't think I will at this point, but it's like that hype
was like unbearable for me to like endure.
I was like, I'm, I'm good. I'm gonna wait this one out.
That's The thing is the person telling you is like they're
like, they're like in your face with like bloodshot eyes, like
you need to see I'm like you like they think like I need to
fix something about myself by seeing.
It's like that's, that's not why I go to the movies, right?
I'm like, it's not why I go. And and I'm even tired of the
other way around. I'm tired of the of the like
anti, like the heavy-handed, like this is my anti cancel
culture movie. I'm like sure, like I get it for
a while you kind of needed to hit people over the head with
that because it had gotten way too far in One Direction.
But my problem is, is like when people acknowledge the boogeyman
in the room that that makes it win.
And what I love is that people who can just like, ignore the
rules. I think Mike White does this
right now perfectly. He just ignores the rules.
He just does what he does. He's not saying, oh, and I was,
I wanted that character to be a Lib tard, you know, or something
like that. He just does it.
And if you get it, if you're in on the it's entertaining on a
surface level, But if you're also are in on the joke a little
bit or in on the satire, it has this extra level to it.
And I, I just, I'm sick of like the heavy handedness of like
these films. And like, again, you can be
heavy-handed if you're fucking coming out of planes like
Stallone and doing all this stuff.
They're not doing that though. They're not doing that.
Like it's like I watch these movies of like AI Tom Hanks,
like aging in a house. Did that movie ever come out?
All I heard about from the trailer was look at this movie
of like Tom Hanks and I forget who the actress was and they're
like aging and like AI or something.
I don't even know what that movie was.
I don't, I never heard about it. We're in such a trailer economy
now that it really bothers. Me.
I think I haven't heard of that one.
You saw I. Saw that.
Yeah, I think. You saw it.
You think you saw it? If it's the one, I saw a movie
with an Adrian Tom Hanks like I. It.
Was it was horrible? Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it's called. Fairy here.
There you go. Yeah, yeah, it was weird.
No, I'm thinking about auto auto Otto.
No, that's the one I'm talking about is him where it's like 50s
or 60s like in the house and they're like aging and they're
like commenting on like the technology and stuff.
I'm just like, I don't care about that at all.
And then nobody does, though. That's The thing is nobody does,
but people have to get hyped about current things so much
that they like the trailer comes out like, I'm going to go see
the Wes Anderson movie. You know why?
Because I know exactly what Wes Anderson's going to do.
It's not going to blow my mind, but I know exactly what he's
going to do. And it's one thing that only he
does really, like only he does. And I, I get it when people say
they don't like him. I'll never defend him to anybody
who doesn't like him, but I'm just like, I saw people freaking
out over a trailer. Oh, he's doing the same thing
over and over again. Same with Paul Thomas Anderson's
new movie, which is an adaptation of of a Thomas
Pynchon novel, which it looks like a faith pretty faithful
adaptation of a Thomas Finch and novel which he's already done
with Inherent Vice and a little bit with The Master.
And I, I was just like, man, people just react to trailers
and then second trailers come out and then third trailers come
out and I'm like, have I seen the movie already?
Yeah, and then the trailer trailer comes out before I all
the. Extended 1 during the the Chiefs
game. You're like, all right, man.
Like I guess I saw every part of this movie.
They even make new trailers for old Movies Now.
You know, they do like rent. Oh yeah, it's crazy.
I trailers and trailers and trailers all over the place.
But yeah, to the Patriot, though, Heath Ledger, it's it is
it is interesting though, 'cause you Heath Ledger is like a a ROM
com star around this time. He's not a joker.
That was his last thing. He's not the joke, but because I
remember it was such, this ROM com, pretty boys doing the
Joker. It was such a thing and he's
dead. Actually, I think the movie came
out after he died, but the yeah, they.
Didn't even finish editing in it.
Yeah, I thought, yeah, I thought he was dead.
Yeah, for something. But this movie, it was he was
doing like 10 things I hate about you, I think.
Was that was that the movie he did?
I think it was. I think he was in that and he
was A Knight's Tale I think was right around that time too.
That's another movie with some. It's a good movie.
I liked it, but I I remember rewatching it randomly and I'm
like, is this where the fucking putting contemporary music and
like medieval time shit started? Like I was like, this is so
strange. It is that was good, but he's he
gives like a like again, he him and his love interest in here.
Both don't have the best fate like it's they have such a like
they stick out like sore thumbs in a period piece, but none of
it matters. That's what I love about it.
It's like none of it matters. It's like when you watch a Roman
Polanski movie. When I did a Roman Polanski deep
dive, he does not give a shit about everyone having the same
accent. He literally does not care.
There's movies in France where it takes place in France, you
see like the Eiffel Tower in the background and it's just like an
A guy from New York going, hey, so you want an apartment or
what? Yeah, you know, And it's just
like, they don't care. And I'm like, I love when
people. That's the problem with like
modern film now is you have way too many fact checkers, you
know, like it's it's just tough. Like, yeah, I feel, I do feel
for people trying to create stuff right now, like, because
you can't ignore it. I check the comments when I post
an episode. I'm not a guy that just unplugs.
Like you are a slave to an audience in a way.
But yeah, your audience is like there's like 1,000,000 Pauline
Kales now, but none of them know shit, you know, like it sucks.
It sucks. Yeah, the micromanaging like on
set and stuff is like I, I can't imagine like Tarantino working
like this or PTA working like this.
Like I can't. Like I've never, like I've never
been on like a set where it's like either it's like kind of my
own or like even someone else's where it's like we're all
focused on making this one thing.
Everyone is like just on the phone all half the time and
like, would this really happen? Or like, hey, there's this thing
in the shot that doesn't make, you know, it's just like I like
I'm big picture guy. Like let's let's get the big
picture because I think that's kind of what the details do
matter, but you hire the right peoples to look out for those
details. But yeah, I don't know.
It's everything. Would you yell?
Would you, would you freak out on somebody on set?
Like like, like, wait, wait. Because like for me, I would
just be like, would this happen? Well, I know something that
happens. You're fired that though, huh?
Yeah. It's no, I, I couldn't do that.
Like I'm when I'm like stressed for time, I wouldn't fire
somebody, but I would definitely like try to take care of the
situation. But I'm, I'm just solely focused
on like getting, getting what I need and like what I want.
Like, yeah, in time, in the time that I have, which is like very
little. So it's like everything is like
kind of you get tunnel vision, I think especially like on an
indie level. Yeah, no outbursts yet, but like
maybe tense such situations so. Hell yeah, dude.
That's what I mean. I'm like, dude, I would almost.
What's weird about that is I try to think of either side.
If I was working for somebody, I would also like, I would expect
tense moments like cuz I, I would, they would show that you
give a shit. Like a lot of times, you know,
like, like being these, like it's I, you know, sports.
I grew up playing sports. Like your coach yelling at you
is just as effective as him giving you the high 5.
You know, it's, it's in fact more and you hate it at the
time. You might go home like, damn,
that guy's a fucking Dick. But then, you know, you're
sleeping at night and you're like, Nah, he was right, you
know, or something, something like that.
I, I, dude, there's just way too much stuff happening.
I, I, I'm, you're going, you're doing the right thing as far as
doing it your own way. Sure, hopefully it works out.
I, I mean, we'll do our best because I mean, we'll do our
best and then definitely hit the podcast circuit, promote it.
I definitely want to promote like people actually just, I'm
tired of commentaries and like takes, takes, takes, takes,
takes and more. So like, what are you working
on? Are you guys working on
anything? Because the way you beat stuff
is by putting out stuff that sadly, people will have to copy.
But putting out a template is what you're doing a lot of times
during this time where everybody's, everybody
understands that, like, these are a lot of these novels, film,
TV, even to an extent. It's kind of like not what it
used to be. Even people who are like, love
the current thing. They under, they deep down, they
know this shit should be better than it really is.
So I'm like, yeah, it's important to like highlight
those people, you know, and just who's doing the right thing,
who's who's doing something interesting, who's doing this,
who's doing that. You know, it's like so.
Well, yeah, everybody make sure this will be out definitely with
some time for you guys to donate to Knuckles.
It'll be in the in the description of the episode to
get just whatever you can guys, whatever you can.
I gave $1,000,000 but don't even like guys don't even do not.
Yeah, I'm funded. I'm already funded.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I was like, yeah, just yeah, you
just funneled that to the vacation fund, you know, after
the film. Yeah, I need.
More I need more. Yeah, yeah.
No, that's fine. Next installment we're a monthly
paying kind of thing yeah, I signed up for the monthly plan.
That's a brag. But no guys, don't, you know,
just just whatever helps you know I understand what it is
like how it is you just want to or even just like signal boost
it a little bit just like show it to a couple people or
something and and yeah, I mean any anything else you I mean,
you said MK, I need to watch your MK Ultra movie.
What? That's on YouTube.
Yeah, just type in MK Ultra violence.
OK, because I can't just type in MK Ultra because that I have a
lot of other things I've typed in.
Oh, sure, we need that. Yeah.
So yeah, yeah, MK Ultra violence.
OK, cool. Yeah, we definitely need to
check that out. Yeah, everybody, I highly
recommend Jack, by the way, guys, that's a that's a great
short. Thank you.
And and yeah, best of luck to the knuckles.
And on that note, guys, everybody have a safe week.
We'll catch you guys next.