Damn it. I hate that thing but so gas
prices. I just want everyone to go
around before we start you off to say, where you live, what?
How much is like average gallon of gas cost?
Like just around your house. I don't have a clue.
Yeah it's like four bucks about 280 280 Hue.
So I made this back is. I'm at 465 out here.
He's just Christ or 65 and yeah, and then they charge you.
If you use your debit card, they charge you an extra 10 cents.
I didn't know that didn't happen in other states.
Oh yeah. If you look at what it costs in
Europe, I mean, there's a there's a long way to go to ban.
Yeah. But what do you have Way bad
like long way. Oh yeah.
Yeah, you know like you're wearing Europe it's like $20,
you know a leader or whatever that you know?
Yeah it's way more expensive. They give it to an abandoned gas
station, drink cup like here you go sir.
Yeah mason jar. Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Yeah, I just remember when I first got my license in like I
must be like 07 and it was like five dollars here.
Then I forget what happened. Like it was some crazy like oil
situation that happened but that I remember in like 2007, I was
the worst thing ever. It was like five bucks a gallon.
I just got My license. I had like five dollars of gas
for the week so it's like I couldn't even do dumb shit with
my license like because of gas prices.
Which is nuts. Yeah.
Was that I forget. Yeah I must have been some kind
of like oil shortage or like a crude oil situation.
I don't remember what well, I was 17 years old really didn't
care. I just look at the damn placards
outside. The gas station was like, fuck
we be in the mix without rare candy.
Paint job on our way. I need full for the kiss money
for the rent. Fuck, I like down baby.
I Do that shit. Now I'll never go home cause I'm
fucking broke down either way. I know the police Ain't Gon.
Leave me alone on a Plane. By the physically, Rockne crypto
told me I should bring a Glock with him.
So I packed up my piece and I'm sliding slide because we might
get caught up in a riot. Littlefinger, drunk middle
finger biting fuck I love fucking right as you ride.
Real love to see those rocket. I can do politics baby.
We just talk from the birds to the breaks.
We be in a mix with that rare candy.
Paint job on the web for you. Do it.
We got the good old boys with this.
Got Mark and bog beef. Thanks, guys.
For coming through, really appreciate it.
Sure. What's up fellas?
Yeah, yeah. No, no problem.
So I definitely work the patreon subscription.
I'm a subscriber there. Originally listen because I saw
that's where Jeff went on. And I was like oh that's cool
I'll check that out. And then you know I'm hooked on
everything I was. I like I like Caesar now.
You know I'm saying? Like like Caesar seems kind of
cool like like I was like yeah I was very Caesar Augustus.
Agnostic before, listening to good old boys.
That's all I'll say explain that by the way.
Like what made you just get into Caesar?
I've been I mean America me how long I've been like just ranting
non-stop about Caesar like 20 years or something George w--.
Bush was president for sure. No, you started ranting but yeah
I guess the first thing that really hooked me is so here we
have like his Diaries and if you ever read, if you read these
ancient figures and stuff, I even I mean really you read
read? Stuff people wrote like in the
1800's or the or anywhere from like well anyways you read
something 1800. You're like, who are these alien
people? I don't understand the decisions
that you make. You don't really seem like a
human to me. Yeah, you read Caesar you like I
get it like, like, you understand what like, why he
makes the decisions. He's very clear.
He's just a that that's the first thing that got me is,
like, I can understand. This isn't like, like, if you
read about like, like so Alexander, the Great is Are too
much. Obviously the greatest like a
Lord of the Rings character. Did this isn't like a human
being. That someone would know, but
Caesar like this, this is a real.
That's or what Hooks you in and then and then he just goes from
there. Yeah, he's not a lawyer.
If you read Cicero or other like they're kind of, they're very
lawyer. Like so that was pretty much
their deal, right? They were essentially prefer if
you were a big political figure you were.
But like today basically a lawyer or Whatever.
See, you doesn't write like this, these are rights like, you
know, he's just the facts and they're not literally facts.
He's, you know, he's writing a memoir that's like a political
thing, but the way he writes he's like, it's extremely
accessible not make sense when you get in.
There's so many layers to the other thing.
They're thing is just how much like you when you read the
academic stuff about him? Are you have a friend that was
Librarians? You know, they see all these,
these sort of papers coming in all these books coming.
In and stuff, and they would send me like, you know, I would
always complain just non-stop because like whenever you would
read these accurate papers, but Caesar they are like, they're
just so trollee like, they'll, you know, like like he was
saying. So like, you know, in Caesars
Diaries like if he's like, if you have half a brain you can
tell when he's, when he's like, making a state.
When he's like, when he's like making an argument, like like if
he says, well, hey look, I was the good guy in the situation.
Okay, we understand that's not like a fact that We can go and
shit, right? Yeah, they will write every time
there's a sentence like that. There will be ten papers saying,
is this really true? Yeah, yeah.
It's just non-stop trolling the academy lows them, and they
adore sisera and it's just a really it's really a you can
draw, you can draw a lot from and this where there's always
reasons why there's like a but even like after the period where
Caesar was around like paperwork.
Was not around as much. So like from this time period
paper was everywhere. There were books everywhere
people, it was easy to write. So we know like tons about this
like this, like hundred year period were all this action went
down to which meant which is helpful.
There you go. There you go.
So it's interesting because you guys concentrate on like low
seems kind of I don't know if localism is the word for is that
correct. I could kind of see you guys
kind of proponents of that you know I mean like a localized.
Basically strengthening the community around you rather than
thinking like a federal levels that for excited.
We are saying see nationalist. That's what we are.
Okay, there you go. And so cool.
I wear the same way. I don't know if we would travel
the same road to get there as you guys probably but I think
that's cool when you can focus on one part of a community and
stuff, but we had, I don't know if you guys familiar with Adam
Lear. Are you guys familiar familiar
with him? Yeah, we have him on.
He loves you guys to show. He was he was talking about
that. He said that one thing and And I
don't technically agree with what he was saying.
Either like you don't he was saying like localism is kind of
just like Nostalgia and nothing else.
Like trying to go back to that. You know, what do you guys think
of that? Because I don't, I might where
I'm at is like okay, even if it is like it's better to have a
strong Community around you. That's like that's even if you
like get to the point. Like damn, it's didn't do shit
for the rest of the country, but we're cool.
You know, if you ever read GK Chesterton no, but he references
them a lot. Yeah, which is all, you know.
If you if you're listening at them.
Like never with chester said about this, he said they like
you modernist progressives, liberals, whatever always saying
that you can't turn back the hands of time.
Right. That's that's that.
Whenever whenever this comes up, you hear that exact argument.
Like this is just AA. Jay, you can't go back in time
and Cheston says, well, you know, if if men create Society,
it's like a clock and you can turn the clock hands to wherever
you want. So, if you do say, hey, guess
what? We're turning back, the clock,
we're going to just, we're going to Go back. 100 years.
You could do that. There's nothing.
There's no natural law. That says that's impossible.
Now, how you can said, well, the forces of modernity, you're too
powerful and I understand that argument.
Yeah. I think that's where you say.
I think that probably is what he's going at, you know?
I mean it that point then my response would be.
What's the alternative like well yeah, who cares.
Yeah. Yeah.
So this is like a like a ton of thing.
So this is you know what people say you know, it's tough to get
married these days You know, most lot of marriages end in
divorce and stuff like that. So it's not as good as deals
like okay. Well you know you'll be dead in
50 years. So yes.
And if and only if ants time, yeah, like you don't know you
don't really have a negotiation in this.
It's like well you know you're like you're at the forces of you
can't actually make it the night.
You can't make it 1954 again. Okay.
Well, so what, you know what I'm saying?
I I like I don't really know what to do with.
That you know into the localism. I see I you know, I see all the
complaints. And so one of the things, here's
one, if I was like saw stalling and I'm in charge of the entire
church. Everything.
Yeah. I want less localism because I
can control things more, right? Obviously, okay, so there's so
like can you like we have 300, we have bike.
Million people here. This is totally unprecedented.
They're sort of even even if these things are like, you
something that you can't like, I can't change that in this way or
that way, like, you still need to have this on your mind but
like, hey, if you're operating above your what's that number of
how many people you can like, really no.
Oh, I'm gonna bow tie. Yeah, it's like 150 people race.
Not a lot. Yeah.
It's yeah. Like low, triple digits.
I would say, like Mark saying, Yeah, yeah.
So like I literally know people that have changed the way that
they're change their career change where they live just
based on that number like like, hey, you know, like things make
more sense to me if I'm operating at that kind of level.
So like even if even, if even if like this, like can you change
stuff? What can you change anything?
You know, that you pretty much got the same problem there, so
it's still something you should have in mind second off.
I mean, The political force of localism is just active today.
So there's, there's a governor who says, we're just, you know,
the entire world is going to lock down, I just we're not just
going to do that here. Yeah, there's to cheat
arguments. If like what he's saying is the
first one is is like when your enemies control.
Like if your enemies are controlling Empire then you did
the smart thing for you to do no matter what nobody if you think
it's a good idea, long term is to favor decentralisation
because Yeah, the more they centralized things, the more
powerful your energy will become Um and then to the other one is
well if you're if you're really think that the people who are
against you are like they have bad ideas, they have harmful
ideas. They're going to, they're going
to kill humanity and a morally. You need to oppose them however
you can and be well you can you might be able to hold out longer
than they can keep their circus together.
Right? In that case.
Well you don't have to you don't have to turn the clock back.
You can just stay alive and see what happens next.
Yeah and it's just a better. Quality of life.
I think that guy still always, my argument is like what it like
what's better for just you, it's better to just know where your
food came from, you know, I'm saying, like it's better to
work, you know, five no more than five miles from your house,
you know? It's better.
It's just it's just a better. Like let's say we're all fucked.
No matter what we do. It's hospice care at this point,
right? Like you, you like even if you
had the most black pill Doomer mindset, that's better.
That's just better unless you are like one of these bug man.
And I'm not, I'm not, this isn't even some at Adam either.
I love Adam and he was just, he was just Wondering if that's
even possible. Right?
Well I think there's a fallacy like localism isn't Luddite
Luddite ISM or it's not a lot. Oh yeah yeah necessarily there
things can evolve and keep up with what we would call
technology. Maybe not like, I'm not talking
like fucking computer chips and shit, you know, but just, you
know, with human progress while still putting the emphasis on
decentralization and localism, like I'm sure you guys are
familiar with Joel salatin, you know, the The farmer Rancher
guy. No.
Um, and he was saying like, you know, it's like like Thomas
Jefferson would have killed for the technology that organic
farmers would have had today. Right?
Do you understand technology like the ability to put up like
fences on the Fly and shit and move around and stuff?
Little example like that which every farmer across the board
uses right? Whether you're you know,
whatever you whether you're like, you know, more
regenerative or you know, more mainstream kind of thing.
So it's like, It's just a rejection of the harmful aspects
of where we've evolved, I think is what local means more than it
is. A great Point.
Yeah, Thomas Jefferson wouldn't have been when I've had a
problem with that. He he's very clear about what
you have problem with financialization banks and he
wasn't wrong about that. You know.
It's not like, it's like no one saw these things coming.
Yeah, a long time ago. They weren't in the.
I don't think they were. Factories and you know, the
1800s but they were forced to send me the black people is you
maybe this is like we're doing this is just how it's going to
be, you don't have any choice but you know, why?
Why live your life that way? Yeah, the only thing that can
happen is you can make the prophecy come true.
It's weird when you think it's inevitable when it happens to
you or your country or your community or whatever, but then
you see it happening. I don't know somewhere.
Like in like the same thing like you know, like it's happening in
India. Let's say and we can see it how
it is. Rated by the elite, you know,
and it's guided and steered in that direction.
And of course you're just like, oh, it doesn't have to be that
way, you know, I totally. So I don't know.
It's a weird thing. I don't know why that is
exactly. But yeah, that's a great Point.
Yeah, that distance creates a lot.
We were talking about, you know, we were talking to we had the
interview Angel, an angle while going she was she read this
paper by this guy, you know, he had this phrase since making and
I think a lot of that localism stuff.
It comes down to that this This, we live in the basically, just
the speed of communication, the world people in.
It, it's just insane. It's totally insane.
And so, any the, the the price? Here's what.
I'm here's, the complaint, I don't whistle, so go back to the
marriage thing. So the thing where it's like,
well, you know, you should just give.
So what I'm what I don't want to give in to, it is like an
arguments like, well, you should just Give up on this and just
give in to that thing. Well, I don't see that with so I
see it with the marriage. Then when the marriage thing is
like well you know, the you're not going to get a better offer
and there's no like mindset thing.
You're not going to I don't think you'll be better off.
Dying dying a sigma male, right? That's that doesn't exist by the
way. There's no such thing as Sigma M
else. Not a real thing.
It's a beta is that are coping. I just have to let you guys know
that this thing that thing is that he's not real.
Yeah, I looked you know, you just see that video.
We're it first came out. Out.
It was like, you know, they had that funny 3D graphic of the
tiger and I looked it up and you can put in like so we were like
a we're like, you know, a year into the lockdown and you know
the guy explains like the sigma may like what this is.
This is like an alpha male but he can live in a world where
like he doesn't have any friends.
Yes, yeah. Which is how your mom would
describe you Yorker. K2 has no friends like when he
was 5 years old, you know? I mean like yeah, well he's kind
of a like a sigma may like really good K just used.
Time making friends are just different beat.
Yeah, that's up with these. I always seem to get to know.
Yeah, I've seen at least like three infographics explaining to
me, want to stick my mail about who makes these fucking
infographics on the only man's lonely men that have no friends.
Like, you know, that's like cartoon fucking like scroll, you
know, Screw like, PNG file type. You wish is like, yeah, that's
that's kind of internal. So, you know, I'm always hoping
this, the people wrote a lot of books.
Back in the Roman times, more of the most, you know, The books to
survive, you know, we love in Caesars, this journalist, kind
of stuff, the most popular books by far, in those times, 2,000
years ago, were self-help books. How did how to how to, how to
get girls, same shit, right? 2,000 years ago.
Damn, yeah, yeah, that's why this I guarantee the market for
stuff like this emails that we eat was it feels like this is
like a somebody cut like okay you know, this is like this is
anyways. Like a custom customized version
of this sort of how to get girls stuff that's stuffs Eternal.
It'll always be super popular. Those guys that do that they'd
probably make way tons of money there.
That's just a permanent thing. You know, people always going to
want that shit. Like what that what they're
trying to do is like, so, like, there's like this concept of
the, of the sigma male would be like, it's out.
Okay. Can you hear me?
Yeah. You know.
You're fighting for a sec? Yeah, but yeah.
The concept of like Sigma male kind of looks like if you're an
alpha male or whatever and you're not in charge at that
moment. But you like, your take your in
the process of taking over then I guess you could look like
that. But like, if you think of these
like great, you know, great stories in the past or whatever,
like it's always at the end, the guy does he gets the girl?
He's in charge, he's respected. He's loved by people that he
doesn't go off for the rest of his life being like a loner.
Like, that's like, that's just like you said.
That's not a thing. And we're okay.
So, we're coming. Um, and so that, and at what
makes you an alpha is sort of your relation to other people,
right varied, right? So this is the thing that like,
you know, that these pick up guys, they have a phrase that
says that men don't determine what Alpha is women as this is
where there's and so this, and this is the thing, it's like,
you know. So if there's like a, you know,
like a whiny singer and in like, ee, like he doesn't have for the
qualities to other men respect. But women 11, they're like,
well, you just have to Deal with it that's out because that's not
bad. That's wrong too, by the way.
Yeah. Prince, prince is an alpha male
to me, right. Well okay, well these books are
written about people their guys trying to get laid dude.
So true, fairy didn't try it. Yeah, that's what I'm making.
The play guitar like right. Yeah yeah it's true that you
don't get to this. God what is what is virtuous or
what's good like you don't get to decide who you are period.
Other people decide was versions but you can't decide with Alpha
women choose that they got, they got no, no.
You don't decide who you are. They keep the people around you
and your community decide like you, like your place and
Community is not what you think it is.
It's what other people think about you.
And if the people those people like the POA guys, and I'm not
sure about the author's, because, like, they're just
trying to sell books but like this pick, Cup artists rights.
Those guys? Yeah, if you think that, like,
when like that women or one, or one sex, either way decides that
you're just wrong, it's this is the okay, yeah, I know.
Okay, Counterpoint is the perfect platform.
I'm sorry. Like you guys have picked a no
better spot to debate this, I'm in my opinion, I'm just go
ahead. Go ahead.
Okay. Who do you think?
Would you consider Napoleon an alpha?
Yeah, yes, it's kind of a trihard.
The right. Okay.
So he couldn't get laid to save his life.
Yeah, bam. Women didn't like women.
He didn't didn't find him sexy. It's rough back then.
Yeah. And he's like, God, a of Europe
and then I can just not really feeling it like this, this is
always the big. How do you negotiate with that?
Is they choose? Because the opinion of your
peers and where you stand with them is just as important as as
the opinion of women. True.
Okay, so but you know he comes back from Elba people follow
their knees, they say, oh please, you know, lay in for a
please save us women like, yeah, he's not gonna flip my cookie.
Yeah, he really shape Europe and like Wellington cut them but I
get that. He's saying he's still out but
that doesn't make the determination in the hierarchy.
Is crazy. It would be like, saying, who's
the, who's the best? The best arm, wrestler or
whatever? Right.
Was it do it that way? Yeah, well I mean, this is
within the context these books on like how to get laid and
shit. So that's all a with anything,
who cares? Napoleon's got like a like, he
didn't have that hooding, but he's got that hidden bookshelf.
He doesn't want any. You pull one bookshelf and it
opens up for his pickup Artist Library like it flies open
letter on movie hails of the alpha male way.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah that's pretty good.
Honestly Alpha in my opinion I slam the gavel like if you do
that, that's pretty cool. I mean like yeah if you Look at
something, dudes. Can be like the barometer to
though because like even with like some guys like he could be
like the beta quality guy and be like you still I think you still
need that respect from men you know.
I think you still need it to. I don't know man.
Brother man. There was just a lot of a lot of
a lot of these you know these Dashboard Confessional bands and
things like that. Yeah I mean well what are we
talking? I mean I still think of you
Everything's a scale, right? See what here, what we do when
we first started this podcast, we have a scale is called the
ABI alpha-beta index, collaborated with Cambridge.
Analytical, I won't go into the nuts and bolts but the anyways,
it's still in beta testing. I don't like calling it that for
obvious reasons, but the anyways, like everything's in a
scale, right? So for me, like one of our first
things we did was we took all NFL coaches, right?
And we did their ABI rating for that year, you know, I'm saying
like a reduce coming brother, Francis comedy.
So, net like, are you net Alpha this year that beta?
So, like, for me, No, like fairness.
We comparing Dashboard. Confessional do.
We can't compare them to like you know, 70s rock legends that
were like Led Zeppelin. Yeah, we can't we're not
comparing diet. Work a Dashboard Confessional to
like The Shins. You know I'm saying like that's
why I'm saying like you have to like so you even even ba guys,
you're saying Dashboard. Confessional, I look at these
fucking guys, you know? I mean they like yeah of course
dude. Like they look like they sit
like knees together. You know I'm saying like one leg
over the other and and but in that field you don't know and
I'm not this is not pro Dashboard Confessional.
I'm just saying when you competitions Jared Leto instead
of Robert Plant. It's a lot easier.
Yeah. Yeah.
My wife saw him on a plane and he was wearing makeup.
And it was just like, to be fair like if nobody questions that
about you, like, you might be kind of alpha.
Like, if everyone's just like yeah everyone's like because
otherwise you're kind of like what's going on here?
Like Jack, Skellington is on my plane.
I have no idea, right? Yeah.
There's another one, this no respect from guys.
I was talking to Oliver Bateman. Yeah.
Earlier today, what's left? Yeah, he knows everything about
wrestling and he writes all these big wrestler dies.
He writes that the whatever they call the piece, that the big one
and Tory are like that in memoriam or something kind of.
Yeah, yeah. Here's someone that, you know,
there's there's there was this one wrestler who was like, he
wasn't even like the best or anything but he was pretty good,
but he was the kind of guy that So like he basically did this
job because like he wanted to hurt people.
So like anyone who like had any pool, like wooden wrestle him
and the guys just sort of a psychopath is just sort of doing
drugs all the time hurting people.
Like just like you see all these interviews, the other people and
they're like you know this is just like a like a Motley.
He didn't have white homies. The stuff is there like this is
just a bat like a Manson person. You need to stay away with stay
away from. Yeah yeah no problem with women
by the way just dudes. Yeah and that's not uncommon I
mean dark dark Triad fucking Personality.
Yeah like the psychopathic what is dark Triad mean I seen this
Throne or whatever around as a meme but I don't even know what
it really what I understand. It's like you're like
sociopathic your narcissistic and I forget the other one but
it's basically a you don't give a fuck and and like a certain
strain of woman It eats that up, you know, kind of thing
according to the theory which is to probably true, you know?
And yes, the Nazi guy in Norway that killed all those kids
brevik, right? So brad.leah, so, this is a guy
who slaughtered like 50 Children, probably the greatest
crime in 100 years. They say that like they like do
the marriage offers and love letters.
He gets like they had to bring him in like, like, like with
like with a wheelbarrow. Yeah.
Oh my God, just or Ted Bundy. All right, all right.
Yeah. Yeah yeah.
The classic example. Same shit.
Basically, right? Yeah, women didn't have a
problem with them famously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's that. Yeah, that was that.
So I think that is hilarious. I'm glad we bought.
I think we completely just blew past your point.
You were making on localism and just do it.
I'm a dog watching a tennis ball but I will wow, albeit with you
start bringing about for today. This yeah that's fine.
Yeah. With window with the the I guess
what Locals and thing is, like any of the complaints?
Like, they're not never wrong. It's not like, however, I still
don't see how this isn't like a, a good game plan be something
like to be thinking about all the time in terms of how you
coordinate your life. Specially.
Like I said, I don't know these friends.
That literally changed the way they live move, move from one
place to another, and they, it's, it just seems to be a good
way to go. I don't disagree at all.
I like, yeah, that's I think that's still like net better
because like, you know, there's so many things I see on the
internet and, you know, I don't want to get in like too much
detail but like there will be something like they'll be like
hey, hey guys like it's like a new woke term will come out in
the back. Hey guys we're saying this now
you know I mean but like okay you look at like maybe you click
on their profile and you see, like, okay this person lives in
San Francisco California or, you know, Austin Texas or somewhat
like a big city and like, maybe that might catch on a little bit
there, but The Des Moines, Iowa guy who goes on Twitter with,
you know, following 15 accounts and has four followers who
literally just follows like three Sports reporters.
You know, I mean he's not going to like we're saying that word,
you know what I mean? And a lot of this stuff that
like ironically I think like the woke NE stuff that gets rolled
out like if that was really a genuine plan to actually be
implemented in society and have it like, makes Society function
better, it would work better in a local level.
Know, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, in terms.
Like, you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
You know, like say like, you know this person is this
identifies as the I'm not trying to get too far in details here.
But like if say, you know this person identifies as this like
this within your own Community, if you live in the apartment was
like yeah I like that person. That's fine.
Sure. You know I'm saying?
But I don't think I have no any kind of like connection to you
other than a random threat I saw you and I don't give a shit.
Absolutely Angela Nagle recently, the article she wrote
on Fennel fennel fellow he lays this out pretty explicitly.
He says that he essentially a culture or civilization is a
shared space, a shared story it's something that we can all
agree on is the you know the glue that holds us all together
and what they're doing it doesn't have a shared story,
there's no consistent, there's no consistency.
There's nothing that binds people together, the reason, why
what you're saying about the. Yeah.
I'd also don't want to get, you know, like we all knew what I
was saying. But yeah, sure, gotcha.
You can't that you have no idea what?
What the rules are today, they're different than they were
yesterday. They're going to be even
different Tomorrow. There's no continuity.
There's nothing that binds people together.
Localism offers can offer an alternative that we like talking
about DeSantis in Florida. He's got ya Governor.
Now he cynical politician whatever but he's making moves
to shape, what, how much of that leaks in the Florida?
And I think that if what if he can do that, then there's no
reason that other states can do it all.
Localities can do it because I think a key, a key aspect of
what you said, like, you know, this stuff gets cooked up at
Harvard or whatever, right? And it gets repeated down
through the universities and they do these mess like this
messaging system, if you can cut that messaging system, all even
to a small group of people, then you can preserve something
that's tall order, but it mean, it has to be possible.
I think everybody understands this stuff if you want to go to,
if you want to go Devil's Advocate left arm, I meant,
okay, mayor of every city and mayor of every left.
Well, mayor of every city in America has left and they they
do like from the extreme. And you, you have like Portland
San Francisco, where you like, you just radically change the
idea of crime? Yes, for you.
You can do, you can do what's the thing where you don't talk
to ice. We don't talk to them.
Yeah. Operation with local law
enforcement. Yeah.
I see ya. It's not a it's not a well let's
see how it works. After 6 months, everybody rich
is going to be like this but beside you live up in Portland
like you see all this shit happen man.
Like like what you haven't been that?
Why you haven't been there that long.
So I guess you had, you haven't seen it for like the Advent of
like, you know, like since you've been Alive.
But, I mean, you've probably seen so much to change.
Well, it's funny because in my personal life, like, I live part
of a small household of, like, I'm in my own spot, but we're
all in the same, you know, there's like 7 of us were like
hyperlocal, and I really don't honestly do much outside because
I don't really Vibe with the Portland aesthetic much.
And then, you know, I'm not an anarchist.
I am I where am I? Where am I a fucking mask?
It's like, one of the places where you have to, it does look
like you're hiding away from the anarchists, right?
That's, that's I just act like people.
I see this on YouTube, I everything roof is so low.
I just I feel like you're like almost a week.
Well, this is a long Frank against the anarchists here.
Like it's I promised my ceilings higher than yeah.
Yeah, it's all right, I love it. But if you want to be cool if it
wasn't but yeah. But no.
So yeah, I think so. I mean yeah like you said we all
get it intuitively, no matter what, part of the political
Spectrum on which is something not seem to lab talks about, you
know how yeah, we all kind of understand it and But yeah,
definitely the Portland thing is interesting.
It's what's happening up here? Here when I asked you if I'm
sorry, go ahead. No, continue at a minute.
No, I was the funny thing is one of my favorite things is there
was this crazy wild fires up here, you know, and even started
them. Yeah, yeah.
And that word, the smoke was, you know, logging in here for
like 7 days and it was, everyone was so frustrated.
It was, it was pretty. Yeah.
I was definitely fucked up, but it was the only thing that
stopped like the hundred and whatever days of pure.
Anarchist protests like trash entire I don't you the only
thing was that no one could breathe so they like had to stay
home. I thought that was funny.
Yeah. Like it took like act of God,
you know, some like crazy fired. Yeah.
Why are you asking about your?
I just wanted to ask you and you don't have to answer this
because I only get you in trouble with your neighbors or
whatever. But it what do people there are
they tired of this all I guess he I've seen I'm seeing videos
from cities and people blocking the roads.
People getting poor, other cars and get the crap beat out of
them last year. Yeah.
And to me too. To me.
That's like that's, you know, I got my CCW last year.
I was like this. I don't like where things are
going, okay. Okay.
Yeah, yeah. All right.
I think the general consent or what I can see is privately hate
it publicly pretend to go along with it is as simple as I could
put it, you know. So you're saying you're saying
they're like yeah you're saying so you're saying they like are
like oh no you can't do concealed or what are you
saying? Like they are getting the
anarchism like the anarchist kind of Shit going on.
Yeah, I like not everyone's like yeah this is dumb.
It's played out. You know, it's like, you know,
it's just not you know. It has no goal as know anything
anymore but like publicly, you can't express that because it's
culturally, you're like a racist.
If you say that or something or like a Maga person right?
Despite it being all white people do exact that.
Well, that's the funny. That's the funny thing.
I've never almost all exclusively.
Well that's the funniest thing because yeah, we you know, we
grew up in the, you know, in the bay where it's like, no, it's
not. It's you know, it's not total
it's not perfect or anything, but it is very diverse and
there's something you get with that.
You don't get other places and up here, it's like, yeah, it's
like, it's the, it's the funniest mix of like the widest
place I've ever lived. And also the like most like, you
know, just hyper focused on this evening, a person, everyone's
thoughts. And you know what?
I'm trying to say and yeah. So yeah, I think I think people
are sick of it and especially in it correlates with the covid
thing to wear, you know, and like, you know, people are never
gonna stop wearing. Asks here, but the new some
people do love it but it's like, you know, I was just going to go
along with it. I go along with it.
I don't like I see it's just not my fight, I'm not gonna like I'm
not going to stop, you know, I would rather just move and I
might help the content use if you go viral for the for like
ever. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Just this plant a little seed
there. Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, I think most people are.
It's the classic, you know, it's like what we've talked about
before gland on, you know, especially in the fancier
neighborhoods like that classic like blmc.
Sign in the yard. But okay, Street cross the
street when you see a black person kind of vibe and then
they're, they're they're calling to get the homeless encampment,
swept out there like I did. Does this number show up on your
guys's records? I don't need it to show up but
it Community. Yeah, I'm in the heart of the
Bay Area like. Yeah.
And so you know, to transition to this just a couple more
things I want to talk about with you guys.
Like we, I live not far from San Francisco.
So everybody, you know, Twitter's funny, like even a lot
of our listeners are not from California.
They're like a lot. We're from the south.
And I that one, unlike the South and East Coast Midwest.
Like, so I was always weird to me because I always thought we
were so like West Coast and stuff, but and just the fact
that it may be a wouldn't resonate otherwise.
But people were like, tagging me and like sending shit to me.
Like, this is how you guys get down in San Francisco.
I'm like yeah, literally every day.
Like, like, I and it's not like normalizing it or anything, but
I, when I saw the guy on a fucking Huffy bicycle going
through a store like stuff in shit into his bag.
I'm just like, oh, I might know that guy, like I'm not saying
like I just I It's it's weird. And you know a lot of stuff has
been said about San Francisco like Prop, 47 past.
I think in 2014, which basically made like theft under 950
dollars, I want to say a misdemeanor like just no matter
what like no matter what I say. It doesn't matter if it's from a
corporation or if it's from like a small bill, you can take a
fucking damn generator from a locally owned hardware store
that dump might cause like 699 or something.
And just get a slap on the wrist.
Basically, and I'm like, that's not good, you know?
I mean I guess not. I just I'm sorry like this.
I see people saying like all stood like it's like I'm first
off. Like if you're a leftist and you
think that you're like an epic fucking stealing as good, a cab
leftist. If you're that person and you
think your own City making that law, which you probably oppose
that City's government, I would think like, and largely in
almost anything but then making that law.
It's like it can't be good for you.
Like, it's weird. I don't it doesn't make any
sense to me and and it's I'm not sure you're ever going to be
able to like it's kind of like the localism thing like you're
still going. To have to have some version of
this San Francisco for San Francisco to keep going because
I'm more concerned about the completely sanitized San
Francisco. That's what scares the shit out
of me is when I go to like these neighborhoods that like yeah,
you know, like Hunters Point which is by old Candlestick Park
where the 49ers used to play. Like it's a slum dude.
But like at the end of the day like those were neighborhoods
for a while that we're just there were doing okay.
You know what I'm saying. They weren't it wasn't like a
wasn't, you know, picket fence neighborhood or anything like
that but it but Worked. And now it's just gets wiped out
for like like every business that gets built out there, looks
like the Apple Store. Now, it's the scariest shit I've
ever seen. Like, I go and get a coffee and
it's like the Apple Store. I ordered it on the tablet and
stuff. And like, that's always scary to
me than like, Walgreens getting pilfered.
And like I understand why if you live somewhere else, you're
like, what the fuck man. And I'm like, I'm not excusing
the behavior because I do think you should be stealing has been
bad since the beginning of societies.
Like it's not, this isn't, this isn't like card to say.
It's bad to be a person that steals things have bitch.
Ually You know I'm saying that's just not good but I just I got a
kick out of people freaking out like honestly even though maybe
I'm just a little desensitized so I'd like to hear your guys,
take on that. Yeah.
Sometimes I forget where we're from, you know.
Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, yeah.
I've said that happens. I don't believe I've seen a guy
jacking off at a store before like it's it happens.
Like I should say. Yeah.
It's which by the way, is another one of these.
The I mean I don't even I wouldn't even label that local
is just the fact that like there's not really It's like, it
would be totally okay, if West, LA and South Alabama, have
different standards of right things, you know what I'm
saying? Yeah.
However, like everyone we all have to sit watch blue Jar TV
waiting or not the TV but you know the sweater like oh you
know how did this crime go down in Portland this way or that
way? Because that's going to be used
as law everywhere blah blah, blah, yeah, okay.
So go on. Okay, first off like okay with
the the stealing thing. Okay, first I would just totally
take off. They can we Like people say
morality like okay, do we mean like is this guy going to go to
heaven or not? No, no that's that's not what
we'd be kneeling like like shared values that sort of like
so we can like, you know, your walk down the street and you
see, and it's just maybe not many people around or whatever,
you know, it's night or something.
You won't pass another guy. It's about your age.
You do that sort of head nod thing.
Okay. We don't really know.
Any know what's going on? There is like, like half of us.
Part of us is caveman. The other part of us is like
trying to live in this world will drive cars and wear clothes
and shit and we're like, hey, I see you.
I'm not going to try to kill you, you don't try to kill me.
Let's keep going, right? Yeah, right.
Okay, so, that's one of the things I would put them because
I know whatever happens like, in terms of business and or not,
okay, that's between him and his religion.
Absolutely. Yeah.
We're still worried about like the environment that this
created things like that. Now, like it is totally possible
that you could have this law caused, by the way, that law
Law. I'm pretty sure that there's a
thing called, the safe cities initiative.
That's in place in at least I believe in Dallas and Houston
probably Austin to. So like you but it's like $300,
right? So, you know, misdemeanor you
can take 300 but no one's really.
Like there hasn't been really like abuse of it or whatever.
And everything's just kind of find that just so doesn't seem
like, there's a problem that could be the case there.
Now, the other thing that, however, If like it's like if
you go to a place like Hawaii they shoplifting sort of became
thing like okay, we can just do this for a living, right?
So we can just see like the beta mu luncheon and they just sort
of organized like, okay. Well, if it's just a misdemeanor
than like, you know, get your cousin to do it and then I'll do
it and we'll just make sure it's $900, blah, blah, answers or
people adjust and then you go in and you see these ever see these
gas stations, where you walk in. And it's just Like you can't
like touch the candy bar. It's behind.
Like bulletproof glass, right, right man on tungsten carbide,
steel. Everything because people just
adjust to it and San Francisco is very rich place.
It's possible that this could just be a thing because no one's
like, you know, I someone's insane or evil if they're like,
that guy needs to die because he took that aspirin or whatever.
Right, would you now? This is, I would hope that the
people Freaking out. It was because of the thing
that's like, well, nothing can be done.
This is sort of normalize, this is just, this is just something
because, you know, that what that means is they're going to
have, we're going to get used to this.
So you now they're going to start walking shoot up and blah
blah blah. That's what I would say you had
to do that thing that everybody does now when this one is story
came up, it's like well, you just as a preface I want.
Everybody know, I don't care if some guy stole.
Yeah, qualifiers I hate to qualify.
No, I'm not talking about. Well, I hope the people think
this because like, but like, yeah, nobody really nobody does
care about like unless you work for Walgreens, you probably
don't care if the bottle of aspirin disappears.
But like what everybody cares about like King?
Can you go to the store and buy things you need?
Are you going to Mugged or raped.
When you walk outside the door like all that stuff does matter
and like I guess like the easiest Golden Rule to have
about this will be alright then behavior I'm doing in my
community if everybody in the community acted this way what
would be the outcome? And if the Epic whatever that
behavior is that after outcome would be, it would be we would
do with turning the fucking silo or whatever.
Yeah. Then you're fucking up and you
know that and like the and that shouldn't be a debate but like
It's not really a debate that's like this is making it legal to
for people in your political coalition to steal stuff.
That's all it really is. Yeah, and if you look at, if you
look at, even the like left, what I saw, I liked a lot of the
left, kind of Dirtbag left reaction to it was what really
killed me was you're almost cheering on the behavior but
you're supposed to be trying to help these people materially.
So if your argument is correct that these people are stealing,
I tend to subscribe to a lot is just destitute poverty in in San
Francisco. I've seen it with my own eyes,
it's horrible, like there's conservatives who will dry like
one of my favorite like kind of those like own the libs
conservative mediate like Jack sobiech and guys like that,
like, will drive around and they'll post these videos and
it'll be like, whoa, it'll be tent cities everywhere, you
know, shit on the sidewalks and stuff and like that, you'll see
like a car driving by in this it panting the streets and seeing
all that and you'll be like, wow, you know, Fallujah or
Lebanon looks terrible today. Just kidding.
This is San Francisco like shout-out to the lives.
Like and it's true, right? Like you should be trying to get
these people like off the street and like, then you know, I said
this in our last episode to like, you should be trying to,
like help these people materially rather than, like
hell yeah, dude, steal from Walgreens, fuck Walgreens.
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not really a
sustainable solution, but neither is anarchism.
So, I guess that's a kind of answer my own question there,
but it's just that's just what, what, what kills me about the
whole thing is that it's easy to like, Like iíve come from a long
way to, you know, growing up like traditionally just liberal
kind of a political liberal where I didn't.
I just thought I was like, well I guess I'm a Democrat, you know
I'm saying? Like I guess I support these
things like you know, I was raised by, you know people that
were Democrats and I'm just like, well, you know, I'm just
going to be a Democrat. I didn't know shit about
anything, but I was just like, okay, that's a gay marriage.
That sounds cool. You know I'm saying, like, oh,
but I like all that but it took me a while to realize like, oh
no, my state sucks because of Democrats, like, I mean,
California, they had a monopoly on it since And left office.
And think a lot of people are really nice.
Yeah, it's a really hard thing to realize and I maybe I'll
change the subject a little bit too much on that.
But yeah, I just, I didn't understand the less reaction to
this. Shit was just insane.
I would say. So the to conservatives that
that I that like whatever they write.
Like I need to see what they wrote Because like it's
important and they know stuff that I don't know.
Are both California guys, mole bug and and distributive.
Under California guys. Oh yeah, no, that mole bug has
had he just left San Francisco but he had lived in San
Francisco for a decade thing. Wow!
He's a, he's a computer guy, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, count
me. California is California.
The topic is crazy because like up until like I don't know when
his the 60s or 70s it was like the dream of sort of right-wing.
Winger and maybe especially an older.
I mean, maybe like a little more free market type of right-winger
because California's land of opportunity.
You know, like La was like a Cow Town, 50 years ago, right?
Big time, yeah. So, however, you know, anyways,
that there's there is plenty of right-wing people in California,
but California is just sort of everything that happens in
California is going to happen over else.
And so you, You get like a sneak preview, you sort of your head
of the game over there thousand percent correct by the way.
I yeah, it's always what I say to.
It's like I'm about two to four years ahead of you guys.
Maybe it's not, it's not like, I don't think we're ahead of like,
a lot of red States. I think it's other blue states
are going to be caught like they there with California's about
four years ahead of them. I think like, on everything like
I got I see people post about it and they'll be like, oh, we
have, you know, this shit now and I'm like, oh yeah that that
happened. Yeah, years and years ago out
here like it's like it is like the testing ground like for the
West Coast. I think you're right in terms of
the Democrat Republicans will you know, we've speaking of, you
know, mo bugging on newspapers, wrote that he was like, you
know, like Darth Vader, just most right-wing personal life,
he loves provide, what? We I know someone who, you know,
they worked in that. They worked in a recall but they
lab where they study? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah a function is what we call
it. Yeah we've talked about a lot
yes in San Diego because this world that shit goes down and
like they're you know when a republican becomes president
they get less money right? They get less grants right?
She'd be an idiot to vote for Republican, like you vote, like
if you like not, most people don't have like a weight, like
most people, their vote is not directly connected to their
material conditions. All that much, not at all.
Most people don't really see a lot of difference.
However, there is a lot of people where it is real and
those people, I would say you're stupid.
If you don't vote for the whatever, the thing is, helps
you more. We should be obvious.
It's not many people. I mean, it's not like it's not
like it's not like 1%. I mean they're certainly but
yeah, that's how I feel about. That's the story of California
in general there to steal from the marxists like the, you know,
the political economy, egg requires, California, to be what
it is. And if direction is going IQ has
Have the slave under class, you have to have the wealth
inequality that's baked in. And so this is how things are
going to be unless you directed an incredibly.
Well, there's two ways you do you have to do some impossible,
social engineering to to stop that, which I don't, we know,
we're not even sure that's possible in history, that didn't
work and Empires like you just get this kind of teaming under,
you know, under belly or whatever in the Empire or the
like, the other option is you change.
The The basic structure of things, and that's never going
to happen. Because those people are in
charge, like, Silicon Valley is not getting weaker, right?
They fortified an election, a national election.
Yeah. And bragged about it.
Yeah. You can't do anything locally
like yeah. You know, it's the ultimate Doom
erbil, like, I don't know. I walk outside on my God, how
did I grow up here? Like, I don't understand it.
Like, I've lived here for 30 years and so in the heart of
Silicon Valley, because there's one thing on there.
What you said, I want to draw, I want to drop on there, so, um,
Especially, you know, so how is the homeless thing has been
kicking in San Francisco for like you said, probably 24 years
more? Oh, yeah, big time.
Right. So we've just gotten it here in
Austin like this this year now suddenly you know ten ten ten
cents, a okay. I've thought about this.
Like I don't know. We'll see what you guys think.
It doesn't seem like homelessness responds to like,
direct political inputs. Hmm.
Yeah. No, it doesn't.
I mean so like either your whole society would get rich and
there's jobs everywhere that, you know, there's some kind of
Gold Rush thing or like, I don't see, I don't know of any way you
can just directly affect this issue.
Yeah, no, I mean, but it's nuts because I work in road
construction and they're building these massive, massive
houses. Like we're not houses away.
Yeah, not houses, I'm sorry. Like that tenement Style, Like
kind of like big buildings, like, kind of four stories high,
you know, like 300 units, like these things.
And I'm saying, like, who's this for?
Like, I don't know who it's for. Like, I just don't add up like
you just did. I know, I know it's probably not
this simple, right? But if you add up the amount of
houses that are being built, and the amount of spaces that are
being built, but the amount of homeless people that are here.
It's like, you know, and on our last episode sigh was we kind of
saw? He's kind of like I joke, but I
think it, I think you might agree with it unironically.
Like you anti City. You know what I'm saying?
And is just being a city. Is that what this is?
I don't know. I don't think I don't think
homelessness. The kind of numbers we've seen
is like just automatically part of being a city.
Like I mean, it is a man in his, a humbling issue.
So one time I thought about this now, I was only thinking about
it correctly. I don't think I was like, why
are these? You know, because I just moved
awesome like goddamn. I was like there's homeless
people over here. Why are they here?
I was thinking. No, they could move somewhere
and you know, they can move the smaller town.
They could, you know, get rent for you know, how to a month.
I'm thinking immediately, I thought I was like, well they're
here for the same reason I'm fucking here is because this is
where the money's at. Yeah.
Straight up we're all homeless masks.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I think your guests was kind of was right in the sense that this
is just this is how City I mean, obviously we're seeing extreme
version of it and there are other other things affecting it.
Like yeah, it doesn't. Have to be this bad but like,
it's essentially, yeah, that is that scale.
That's what it is. I go the ball.
People saw him at the Dunbar number earlier, you can't, you
can't have a city of, you know, 50 million people or whatever in
the future and have like functional Human Society.
It's not going to be possible. It's what you're going to have
to have. It's also comfortable talk
about, like, you're always, if you, if you're going to order
things this way, you're always gonna have this extreme poverty,
you have to do something with these people, you know, you
could maybe be putting them in, tenements was kind of like the
the 19th century and early 20th century solution to this.
I don't know, maybe they've given up on that.
I'm not sure, right? You would think that the, the
just the Optics of these homeless tent cities would be
bad enough that like, yeah, Sam. Go wouldn't wouldn't like this
to happen but you know you guys you follow Love Line.
Guys named, Adam Carolla, my dad, my dad, my on anything
about I'm cruel. As my dad is like a liberal.
He's always, he's kind of like, like his politics or mayor,
Pete's politics. Sure.
Hey, do you want to pretend he's a Notre Dame fan.
Like, he's just hit, that's his guy.
Like, if there was a politician made for my dad, like he booted
judges the guy and he he loves Adam, but he loves Adam Carolla
like and And Adam Rose. Not that, you know, at all a
buddies buddies definitely. Just like, he's definitely just
funny, but I've heard you guys talk about.
I don't crawl a lot to our like, but not a lot, but just bringing
him up and it's yeah. Anyways, I'm sorry.
Go on now. I think about he's another one.
Obviously, he's a California guy.
His mother was like pre woke. So she had a degree in a Chicano
studies like you know, back in the 70s, the like back before
that, I was just thinking, you know, he he retweets these The
homeless, the homeless encampments there in California,
getting more aggressive, a stuffy.
There was one. That was amazing.
You know, it was like the sort of land in between like, the
road and like exits. You know, there's little like
all triangle of land are in between and it was a they by
using like Plywood And basically canvas, they had a, they had a
two-story, they like a two-story little tent camp thing and then
a garage, it was all made out of It's all made out of plywood and
it came with this fucking hilarious.
What? And it's sucks actually seeing
that. Like, I saw, like, I don't
oppose BuzzFeed, one of those type of Publications, put out,
something they were like, here's like, six different ways you can
live in like a non house and and I'm like, definitely like okay,
like it, that's cool that you can on the Fly improvised.
Like I'd that's a good skill right to be able to build your
own living area if you had to but it's like what the fuck.
Yeah. Like stop making this cool like
taking a roach. From a construction site in
like, makes putting like a fucking love seat in there and
she's like, that's not cool at all.
It's Tara. Yeah.
You know, part of me, you remember the story of the the
guy he was, he was like, really young guy.
He got hired to Google high school.
He's like 18 19. And you know, he had this all
figured out, right? And so he bought a, he bought
like a like a cargo truck, like a truck with a decent amount of
room in the back. Yeah, have another story.
I think. Yeah.
He got a job at Google.
He parks in the in the parking lot.
Yeah, I know. Yeah, they have, he's like, I'll
just shower the gyms and I've seen that, I've seen that before
in person. Yeah.
Passing loans, right? Was it.
Yeah, he had it figured out. He was like, so I can if I live
in this thing and I live in this truck like eight years.
Work here, I can retire by the time I'm 30 nights.
Damn, that's cool. Yeah, cool.
Yeah, I love that. It's functioning Society right
there. Yeah.
No it's so dystopian man. Just a pivot.
Are you guys good on time right now?
I just had a couple quick questions for you guys.
Sure. Okay, cool.
So these are kind of fun questions.
So I'm Eric I'm going to start with you a long time ago.
When I first like followed you. I just saw something.
You posted you guys are big milk and beef guys.
Correct? Hell yes.
Yeah sighs. I don't know if I wanted me to
bring this up or not, but he's, I can't call him a vegan but
he's plant-based. And okay, I just like how mad is
like, non milk, milk products, make you I'm being attacked here
at ya know, type, not Italian. No I drink.
I consume animal products. I'm not a big dare you guys.
No, no, I don't know if that ran about this on Twitter openly.
No, I just said it gives me the shit.
I got commented. I was like, I guess me, the
shits man. Like, you know, I mean I was
just like laughs, like I hate there because it gives me the
shits. Like, I was just saying that,
but he won't jump and he's kind of just like a dude, I'm not
gonna fucking He's not like a like Steven Crowder type Guy
where he'll like, you know, go out there and like try to own
like meat eaters and shit. He's not me.
Yeah, I'm saying like with you, I'm saying it's me.
Like I said, I was just, uh, I was just joking because I got I
when the almond milk thing became big, I don't know if I
tweeted about it or just talking to people about it, probably was
like, I don't, I don't understand almond milk, I don't
know why you would be would we would want to purchase those if
we find things during the that bad food lockdown.
Like whoa. Go to the grocery store.
There was no milk. Every single like the skim milk
was gone, even there was nothing, there was nothing.
I even like the soya milk, but there was almond milk there and
nobody touched it. It was just like, it was like,
nice games. Yeah.
I don't understand all the milk. I don't, I've tasted soy milk
before I didn't think. I didn't think it was was very
good. I guess, like, I get it.
Like, if you're, if you're like, if you're in your Near beer,
whatever. Like, well, I like to taste of
milk but I can't drink milk. I kind of get it.
But, other than that, it's like, it just confuses me.
What's the appeal? Well, it's more the people that
just don't want if whether it be for taste or ethics or health or
anything else. They like it's not like they
seek out almond milk. They're like this is good enough
alternative. And then there The Taste was
just get used to it. You know?
And I mean, I can say for me personally because I was always
like I would always go plant-based and then like try
some me just to see if I was crazy or if I needed it or, you
know, whatever. And every time I tried it, I it
just like, I don't know, something switched it.
I think I'm just like, vegetarian at Art because I
because I just, I just never had a taste for it again and believe
me if I did, I would be eating it today.
Like I don't have that kind of self-control or anything, you
know? No, no.
I was, I man. I remember I ate 30 28, a lot of
dairy, when I first met you did like, yeah, Dairy guy like I
was. Yeah, my dad challenged me.
He's like, because they have the 32 ounce steak on the menu, and
he's like, if you need all of it, you know, I'll give you 100
bucks. And I totally was like 12.
I did it, you know. Yeah, I do.
The steak was my Favorite food? No, and I just, I don't know.
I just it's just something I adopted and never really went
back on. But the thing is, before the
fads to, I got to say, I got to say, like, you were.
Oh yeah. You because I hate them out.
I hate. I'd like that's the thing is II.
Like well you're not a real V. The thing that kills me about
your Dad. Sorry to interrupt but like, no,
not the thing that kills me about your label and we talk
about it all the time and we even had a guy comment, like
when I was bringing it up, that was like, no, he's not a real
vegan because he eats honey. And I'm like, are you fucking
kidding me? Dude, like I'm gonna die.
Like no. And they're like, well, honey is
like basically be rape, so like no.
No, that's exactly right. I just like that.
It's such a one-upper move in my past, so that's no.
So, like I don't take the label precisely because Whatever,
Whenever one because honey rocks, you know, and it's great,
objectively good but number two is precisely so I can distance
myself from people like that. Nice.
I don't want nothing to do with anyone.
That's like is hyperbolic Like that when it comes to that shit,
you know. And but the funny thing is like
culturally because I was like a big, I don't know how you guys
feel about like giannios and Monsanto.
I'd, I'd wager guess, you know. But but I was big into like, you
know, fighting that for a while and like that still kind of a.m.
but one thing I noticed is I I vibed a lot more with the.
Let's say maybe they were like non-vegan, like farmers and
ranchers and stuff that were fighting the powers that be.
Then like a lot of times like the vegans, that would be It's
cool. If like Bill Gates is growing, a
lot of food. Like what's the big deal?
He's not getting rid of me and I'm like, you fucking idiot, you
know. Like it's like so there's
something. There's something Lost in
Translation there where it's like, I'm and I just have my
far. He's been on the Pod before
Serena who's like hype, you know, you know, Glen like
Jaipur. She's literally born vegan has
never had an animal product knowing he can and she, but
she's already got a blow dart of like gravy torn.
Excellent, I like somebody assassinated her some.
But yeah, yeah, I'm not your lover life, so that guy.
Someone's time on YouTube and he said, I don't.
Why would I need a vegan? He says, like they're pretty
much the only other people that sort of approach politics from
like, from like a moral basis. He's like he's like those that
would be more of my friends than anything else because like Only
people that sort of see it that way.
I totally understand that. It there, there are huge
problems, the way we can send me, right?
So, what like, Bert, like the use people should.
If you eat chicken when we lived in and he's the world, you
should have the ring that chicken's neck.
And that would bring a, that would take a lot of people out
of the eating chicken game. Yeah.
And that would be for snowing sleeting.
Fine, and good eye, I grew up, I grew up basically.
It's a pesky as a, whatever you call pescetarian.
Where my wow, really? Yeah, yeah.
So my family is in that kind of business, right?
So there was always, like, unlimited Seafood all the time.
So, Basically all a growing up. I told you know I'm especially
the beef Slaughter is way more intense than a lot of people
know which is you you obviously know.
He know he knows. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Well it's interesting. Yeah definitely I got the
respect for the hunters you know and the people that do it and
and yeah, we're just so distance from our food, be it animal or
vegetable, you know, and I do think that, you know everyone.
Yeah. Everyone trashes the ecology
thing, I see a lot of ranchers, kind of trying to debunk the
vegan, you know, whatever, be it.
I don't even focus on climate change, it's more.
Just like that because that's like, I do believe there's
something happening but that can be totally politicized, as we
all know and I don't believe the fucking models or whatever.
You know. Because just like with covid
just like with anything you know you can't trust a fucking
scientific model, but there are things that are happening right
before our eyes. That we can observe like whether
it be like, you know, the Health crisis in like North Carolina
with the pig farming, or like the gulf Gulf of Mexico like
with like nitrous runoff and type of shit that's like having
direct observable ecosystem effects.
You know, and I just think, you know, I know like I know the
vegan things cringe for a lot of people, but I I've never been
able to and some of it might be hyperbolic and exaggerated, but
I've never been able to kind of You know, like wish away what I
see before my eyes just because something's cringe, you know, I
think I think a lot of people do that.
Like, absolutely. I'm going to be the opposite
cringes mine, if you agree, I agree with the root thing of it
is a good thing is not going to be gone tomorrow.
It's going to be around. It is a real moral stamp in.
There's very few of those. I like factory farming.
I mean, nobody really does right mean, absolute facts.
No one know, they do so. Yes, Correct.
Larry Larry last time this came up with over this issue of a
factory farming, a v Monsanto, which I.
So yeah, I ranted about that. That factory farming was evil
and Monsanto is evil. I was day.
So it's ejected because like, you, you know, and what a beta
group purse down. Wait, wait, you were saying that
monsanto's evil and you got a ejected from a leftist group.
Absolutely? Right.
Love it. Yeah, this is exactly what I'm
chasing our tails. So they're thing, is there the,
you know, they say, well, you know, you just need everything
needs to be most efficient as possible.
And same thing idiots. Yeah, I'm gonna grow spray.
We need 10, but we need 12 billion people on Earth and you
have to do factory farming at me to happen, right?
Yeah. Wonderful world.
He should have the oh anything you want to.
By the way you can we should have one guys on with Jonathan
lethem. Who's there is there's no food,
abundance crisis. There's zero there never has
been and never will be an in essence.
There might be like a distribution and localism
problem We're talking about. I didn't mean to cut you off but
yeah we go on. Hey, interrupting his Buffalo.
No, it's yeah, but I'm So Gone on that whole being injected.
Oh yeah, it was a mix of cement factory farming and what he
called the Monsanto or whatever, especially the factory farming.
And you know they were like well you know you we can't you know
if you don't have the food produced this efficient level
than you, can't have this sort of you Taupe Ian thing where
nobody work like, you know, they're this is like, this is
part of the, you know, that certain I was, I was what you
said. A moment ago I was thinking
about lost exactly what you said, but when I first got in
the left wing, politics and stuff.
I was, and I'm saying getting a lesson.
I mean, like I'm reading things to myself when I'm at 16, right,
right, right. Yeah.
The stuff that really got me was like, I remember the one that
really stuck out memory was, you know, these Guys, and when
McDonald's was first, moving into France, they just literally
bomb McDonald's and they just saying, hey, yay, Stefon!
I like it. I love the way the French do
that shit, man. Yeah, get the fuck out of our
country. This is an hour's we want.
We want french stuff we want. You know, we local French place
with a rude waiter and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No. Absolutely.
Yeah. It's, I don't know.
It's crazy. There's so much common ground.
Round that we have, you know, and I but the thing is the end
of even if there's not there's enough to where we can kind of
like see a common goal or a common enemy and work towards,
you know, cutting that shit out. There's a, there's a middle
ground to be found in between my I hadn't.
Yeah, yeah. I hate the New World Order.
Fucking the world economic Forum.
Vegans, man. Are the worst.
They're the most. Yeah.
Speaking of cringe ran. Yeah.
Like yeah, it's so bad. I get what you're saying bald,
because I've seen the same thing where like you aside from the
Enter time when it doesn't happen to every egg night.
It comes from a chicken that I see orange is hell to oranges.
Hell. Hell, yeah.
Wait, Bambina, dude. Beta-carotene up in those Yokes.
The yeah. That's what.
Yeah, a lot of the meat. I eat to comes from like
extremely local like yeah. In my County.
Wait, yeah. You you say that it's like well
week that doesn't work because like there's a there's a hundred
million people in Nigeria and we can't they we can't feed
everybody like, well, that's not so what we're talk we're talking
about us but If you have the mindset that you have to, you're
taking over the entire world, you're going to have permanent
growth forever. Then yeah you have to set up
these dystopian factory farms because you're trying to feed
not only the entire world but like double the world.
And that's what and that's why they get mad at you for saying
that, you know, if you're if you're in dr.
Doom. Trying to rule the world like
this, no problem. Yeah, exactly.
Well, let me offer a challenge to all three.
Well 222. Yeah, this all sounds good to me
here. So none of you As a vegan or
plant-based or whatever and and no one like we said before, no
one. Well, except for like the
fucking the daughter of like a giant Poultry Farm Rancher guy
or whatever. No, one likes factory, farming
or Royal say we don't. But do all of you 100% eat all
your animal products from a not a factory farm.
Oh no. I'm not anytime I, there's a
menu in front of me so it must include.
So, in some way you all support it financially, and yeah.
Yes, absolutely yeah. So okay.
So I'm saying like the cool thing about the vegan thing is
you just completely eliminate that and you don't eliminate the
fucking avocado Farmers being far.
Do you know you're not eating non Monsanto shit.
No. But you can get pretty.
You can get very close. Yeah, pay taxes, I do yeah of
course yeah. No no you got shot.
He does and has never skipped it once.
He's every I just I'm saying this as an eternity.
He has never missed it. I'm stay in his life.
He'd promised crypto Trader. I'm a, yeah, exact products
hair, yeah. That's a great Point.
Well, here's the second one. Well, the one that can never I
can never Square in my head was I do.
So I do agree that. That, you know, like a locally
produced beef and eggs and and stuff like that are far
superior. If you're going to do it and
factory farming sucks, and I don't want to be part of the
whole thing, but the truth that factory farming is
hyper-efficient. Like it it's just by the
Numbers. It really is, you know, in most
in a lot of cases, not in every case, can we?
And this is the open question. The vegans pose and they say
they have the answer to can we feed?
Either basically need a huge population, decrease, or huge
animal products. Have it consumption.
Decrease in order to in order to feed everyone and not get
snuffed out basically. And so like, can we all go to
the local or route with the animals agriculture at our same
level consumption and feed everyone and have enough land to
do that? And I've tried to, you know,
I've I know there are holes in the vegan our view but I think
it I think it holds more more often than not that the answer
is largely know. We'd have to cut way back or or
like cut, like a tenth cut to, like a tenth of our fucking
population or something like that.
I totally agree with you. You know, this is a, you know,
Bronze Age pervert on Twitter. Yeah, it's crazy.
Brian James pervert, no Bronze Age.
Oh, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. He's got a huge threat about
this where he lays out the thing that says basically like if We
if we live in a world that was that is not ugly the way our
says there's going to be new people going to be going to me.
Yeah. It's not gonna you're not gonna
be able to just roll to the McDonald's and get you huge you
know, triple Quarter Pounders and shit that's just sort of the
way the way it is and it real and things will be better that
way. Anyways.
Yeah. Yeah, way better.
Yeah, it's all it's interesting. I had a train of thought I was
going with that. Well there's some crazy stats
about about meet farming that like not just in America or
whatever because there's like an American me culture.
That's like, but just globally, you know, people say like all we
gotta do is go, you know, good. Do the greys and route and we'll
be fine, like half of all arable land on the on the planet is
already used for grazing, which is insane.
That's like crazy. Right, you know, like that's
that's just boggles my mind. So it's like I said, we're
already using half the land, you know?
And there's the Amazon rainforest thing and everything.
So again, I'm not and I like my, I take it.
My whole thing is like, I never judge someone personally, but
when you zoom out, you have to look at it globally and just
your globalist, you know? Yeah.
But, but now, I see there's some interesting, I don't know.
I just, I can never square that thing.
So that's kind of why I remain. But also I know that that's not
the reason why I stayed. I just stay doing it because I
like it, you know. No.
And you are you get it in the past.
You said, if I like to meet, I'd eat it totally.
Yeah, exactly, right. What's that smell?
Everybody picked that. I don't think we'd have as many
vegans personally. Yeah, yeah, I agree, dude.
If you have moral convictions about, I mean, that's, I mean,
that's that. I guess what?
Ya, get you out of bed, warm, and he hang on to that because
that's talking about that. I just like to know the truth
about this. You talked about bees and that
guy saying that it's be raped. It was ridiculous to eat honey.
My whole thing, this is why I don't fuck with it.
Like you know there's an industrial be industry that
pollinates. All the Vegetables in the whole
country and they're basically like sugar water bees way worse
than the way we treat. Fucking where you get backyard,
honey. Yeah.
Like a Farm Stand or some shit. And I like the raw local stuff
to like, people, like Rockabye from the guy who's like, has the
bees but what I'm saying is like, yeah.
Exactly. I love that to all the vegans
are eating, like the fucking peaches from the store that are
that are pollinated with these the real slave bees.
If you're really going to get semantics with it, you know,
like, so I'm just no one's consistent no one.
It's impossible to be consistent in this world.
That's true. But you'd like, you may A good
point. You can't have this system and
you can't you can't people locally Source if that's true.
You're absolutely true. That doesn't work.
My counter, my counter to this is always.
All right, I know from my family.
We've lived in the same place since the 1700s.
I know, I know from, I know from Stories We whether my
grandparents and my great-grandparents E when my
great great grandparents, like, well, they do, is they have
recipes if still alive stories? You know, I knew my Other my
great-grandmother, blah, blah, blah.
You get them going. So like it's for some reason,
it's incumbent on people on, people like that to change
everything in their life because it's some point in the 20th
century, the people in charge of the United States, decided it
wanted to be a Global Financial Empire and that you're, you
know, that we The thing I would have no problem if we could wave
a magic wand and give up the Empire and go back to our very
humble rustic, or I would love that more than anything in the
world. I would, I wouldn't ask for it.
They didn't ask for this. I would much rather be be as to
be a poor agrarian country again than an industrial Powerhouse.
And that's like, that's what, that's what gets me.
You know, where I think I'm, I think I'm with Mark.
Like, I think that's like you said it in a way that I didn't
know could be said, but I printed like Me, I think that's
a feasible way to live Society because I like eating meat.
Fuck, it takes good shit, you know?
I mean like like Trader, Joe's carne asada, man.
We got ya again. We did.
We did a school project that involve that Spanish class, I
bought Trader. Joe's carne asada to make
traditional Spanish tacos and they were like, yeah, that you
you understood the assignment it's and yeah, better Jose's.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Well, okay. So last thing one more time,
quick question for bog beef here because I saw there was a tweet
from bog beef the other day. That had I responded in a
cordial way, but I'm I was mad on the inside and I just gotta I
got a bone to pick with him bog beasts.
A guitar guy, I've come to that, he's guitar.
Guys that correct? Oh, really?
Yeah. Okay.
I sorry. Yeah.
So you're kind of like you kind of like a gear Head to
audio-wise. I listen to bill, was you always
talking about like old school equipment and shit and restore
and stuff? Yeah, yeah yeah.
I like to Tinker with shit. Yeah, got you.
Okay. Now you had a poll.
You put a pole up. Richard's versus Jimmy Page.
Like oh no, we're going to go. Here's what happened here.
When I see like to me that's like Tom, glavine against the T
baller. Like, you know, and are like in
baseball, it's like, it's like what are we talking about here?
Keith Richards. But anyway, sorry.
Clarify what you're going to say?
I just had to hate on you for a second.
All right. So this is one.
So this is like one of the old like adult learner has not
posted because I remember, but this is like the oldest like
Culture War battle that I knew of like this is like in people
in people re-enacted it back in the comments.
Basically you know basically though this is the way it went
out, went down in the 70s the 70s to be like okay who's better
self one or two stones, some would say, someone say Zeppelin
and the immediate response was you're a fucking nerd.
And yeah, right. Yeah, sit there.
And there there is. And there is sort of a beautiful
kind of symmetry between the These two bands that especially
when you think of a Jimmy Page is just obviously just straight
virtuoso, right? So, he was like a studio
musician. So, you know, like so, you know,
injury how to Polka Band comes in says, hey, we need you to
play this part for this record. We have he can do it.
Exactly. Perfect.
You know this is just someone who's just all he knows is
playing is doing this thing and you have Keith Richards who's
like? Okay what is the he's what is
like the easiest way I can get by on this thing?
Yeah, you're right, you're right?
Yeah. So if I get rid of the string,
you know, so former heat. There's a bunch of big acts that
whenever they would open Forum, they saw him do that.
And they were like, okay, you got to teach me that because I
can play guitar too, you know. So he plays with five strings
and it's all tuned to a court or whatever, you know.
So then it's like, anybody can play anyways, and they produce,
just get it done. So, he's just like, okay, I just
want to get it done. Just get the song out there,
right? Bruce the lot of amazing songs,
Like that too which is that if as a very awesome kind of a you
know Bloods and Crips thing they're just two totally
different ways to go about selling selling a shitload of
Records. Yeah, I fuck with that.
That's cool. That's all guys.
As a good nuanced. You added there.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm not mad anymore.
They'll kind of asks, what kind of axes you that I like
telecasters, mostly same? Yeah I gotta tell ya.
I have a warm, an old worm with Telecaster build that you know,
Parts type shit. Warm up is the shit man.
I love warmer. Yeah, they fucking they go they
go hard. Yeah so I've it's a thin line
though. It's not.
I like the thin lines that I that like the solid ones too but
the Ethel's cool. Yeah.
They're like I like I like lights.
I like light telecasters. That that?
That's, that's my thing. Yeah.
Well, your friend fucking texts. That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, yeah yeah, exactly. And I've got a warm-up is doing
a body for me, right? I love it.
They're all that's fucking cool. Yeah, and yeah, it's just funny,
this guy right here, my co-host, I don't know if not whatever
saying to person, we've already given a bunch of personal
friends on us, but I'm here in, like, eighth grade is dude, like
just built a guitar. Like we had this project and it
was kind of like you're gonna graduate whether you do the
project or not, but like this is kind of like the project that
you could graduate middle school with, you know, and mr.
Just like built a guitar like a Wooden guitar and like everybody
else's shit was like this is the Mesopotamia irrigation system.
I like you know and I did it with Clay like you know, shit
like that and this dude builds a guitar and then like plays it as
his presentation I can front of the whole school.
Like that is sick Faith grade. We're talking 13, 14 years old,
like it's nuts. I actually still have that
guitar was bad. Dude - I don't think it's down
there. I have the body for it.
I need to re I don't know that neck and everything is all gone
but I yeah, I need to read. Restore it because I got the
body. So that was fun.
That's a huge Flex. Yeah, you should.
Yeah. Well, it was, it was cool.
But also like to be fair like my dad is the fucking Master
Craftsman. Would woodworker shop guy.
So I had access to all that and he like help me dig your dad,
build guitars. Yeah, he was luthier to well,
that's a that project actually. He started a luthier company
after that project. He hired like a another luthier
guy because he got bit by the bug.
Brian May Brian May did the same thing him and his dad made.
Queenie wahine, right? Yeah yeah.
And they realized these are like, hey well, this guitar kind
of kicks ass. We could probably make some of
that's, that's badass. That's fucking cool.
Yeah, Brian May School, doesn't he play with a dime?
As a pick? Like a fucking.
Like, like a coin? Yes, this thing, right?
Yeah say, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's fair.
Well shit guys, I really appreciate you coming through,
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