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What's going on? Man fed post, he's kind of the
main character this week on Twitter at least in my timeline
screen caps all over the place more screencaps than tweets.
I've see of him which is crazy. And what's going on man?
How you doing? I'm chilling.
Are you guys doing man? Lovely Saturday, lovely doing
great. So excited to have you your
work? Obviously, we've been following
you for a while and, you know, come from similar ranks and
especially during this covid thing, you know which I think
we'll talk about a lot today. Oh yeah.
And you know where was hard to find people in the early days,
you know? Yeah yeah and I was like, who
the fuck is because I followed you before that and Glen Falls?
You way before that? Yeah, actually I was like, yeah,
that's crazy. Is I on my old account personal
government name old account shit.
Randomly ran into CR K. I don't think that was your name
at the time. It was just black.com.
Pill. This is like years ago.
I randomly just in a threat. I'm, I see it.
I'm like, oh, that's cool. Follow, you know, I mean and
then oh, really. Oh shit.
Yeah, I know it's a trip. So then when I started what
we're doing, I got our counts going.
And I was like, let me follow that guy because I liked that
guy, you know. And you just before covid, this
is before it is I think Bernie still you know, going strong and
all that stuff. And I and then to see that
Evolution when nobody else did as far as covid, like nobody
else, everybody else was like scared for their life and I was
like not fucking base. Appreciate You guys were keeping
me saying honestly like you did a few other people like because
like I mean look a lot of shit changed in the last year.
So it's just like to come from that Bernie world and then just
sort of like, see a bunch of like seismic shift happening.
And then, you know, you either you either read it and feel
like, you know, either adjust to it or you just stay like locked
in the same mentality and, you know, a few of us were, you
know, we're not just gonna, you know, keep applying the same old
mentality, two things. I mean, you have to adjust a
little Bit. And you know, it's luckily like
we were changing up and you guys to like, yeah, I mean, when shit
happen, like some of us were able to like, you know, not just
go along with it and just be like, wait, what the fuck is
going on, really? Yeah.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
If you're not concerned, if you're not concerned about
what's been happening, I have zero respect for you.
You know. I can understand if you're like
a germaphobe or you're tripping on your grandma, you know, or
something like I fuck with that. But it, but if you're just
completely like, oh, this guy doesn't believe in covid, you
know, like one of those leftists or not even Know what I mean?
Just like a lib. It's just yeah, it's like that.
Yeah, I have zero respect for that.
It's just so fucking dumb, which is funny because they'll like,
they'll post these people and I'm going to get into because
these are the people that are, like, the people that go at you
sometimes, like crk. Like some of the people I
expected. I'm like, okay, that guys,
fucking lame, whatever. But some of the people are like,
yeah, I still like the memes. This guy posted, and then all of
a sudden crk is strong enough to get this guy out of ironic.
Detachment to all the sudden, be like, yo, we gotta take this guy
down, like, I don't know. He that alert is no.
He was talking to Jack Harlow, a couple years ago, like, do you
know, oh my God, like just it just pissed.
What's funny in these screencasts?
What I see is that, like, none of them.
It's never like, wow, this takes sucked.
It was always like, wow, this is a lame tweet, which is, which is
way different, you know. It's like the are the ideas
wrong. I got lame tweets all the time,
dude. Like you know, but I don't know.
What are you seeing these? Are you block?
Are you did you block all these people?
Well I've like black chain like for like a lot of Well, there's
like a few people that will like, just be stalking me to
stalk your everything I say. And at that point I'm like well
initially my stance is like right.
Don't block anybody. I was like 2K or whatever and I
was like, don't block anybody. There's no need for that.
Like just, you know, I mean but I wasn't really getting that
much attention and honestly like still in my mind I'm still like
a reply guy in my mind like this High School field because like
it wasn't that long ago that I was just like nobody knew me.
I was just like in Boerne world just replying to people shit
just trying to get. I was trying to get attention.
I really was I was trying to get like like clout a little bit to
like get like seeing all my time on.
We gotta maybe some gentlemen, we got that's, it's true, it's
true. I was doing that.
And like yeah I mean so I was doing all that shit.
And like, but yeah, now it's like thing.
Will things changed after that? Like things change pretty fast,
I think. Faster than I like, yeah could
process. And like all of a sudden they
were like Big accounts, follow me and, like, serious people
like fucking like, you know, taking me serious like shit that
I'll, you know, I just shit pose like, without really thinking
about how you know, and then all of a sudden like people taking
mad serious exterior, posters are taking it seriously.
That's what I don't get. It's like, you're a shit poster.
This guy that screen capping. You, you are a guy who is like
constantly doing a bit or quote, unquote, are detached irony and
stuff, but then they think everything you say is in
Earnest. Well, that's the yeah, it's
plausible deniability. They are, you know, they can
turn it on and off when they want.
Yeah. Anything.
I'm sorry, right. Yeah, well then yeah, that's the
thing with that, it's like a good.
Well, this is saying a lot of those guys are actually very
Savvy and I have to acknowledge that.
I mean, they're very like, media Savvy.
And I think they're, I think they're good as it should.
Because they know like I think a lot of them are a lot smarter
than their followers and they know their followers are dumb
and they sort of like I mean they the way they like, pick off
like a shitpost. I didn't like make it serious.
Like, I mean, they're smart enough.
I know, I know they're not that stupid.
I know they don't say I unless you're just talking about this,
but right before we Half pound. You're just talking about this?
Yeah, how they know. And then like, but it's just
weird to see those guys become serious Islam saying.
It's like, you literally just like posted a guy like shitting
out his own nut sack like five minutes ago and I'm like, hey, I
found these crk screencaps. I just did a weird to me because
some of these people like go interact like with our account
and I'm like, dude, we're not belief wise, I'm probably 90%
where you are crk like believe Like We Believe on.
So I'm like, how can you hate this guy this much and still
like Like, fuck with me. Like it's totally, I'm saying
it's not about the I it's not about the politics like, you
know, right, right. Maybe a little bit, but I don't
think so, right, right. A lot of is just like Social
Capital. I mean, like, I've been around
these people and like they've been on the Pod and like, you
know, some of them would tell me stuff about like yeah, they've
got like screencaps of each other and they got dirt on each
other and there's always like a external like extortion.
Basically, like what if you go out of line or you say something
that Don't like yeah. We're going to drop all this on
you and we all you know like the eyes wide shut shit.
Like you know everybody's got ya.
The koala everybody got dirt on each other that you know if you
step out of line you're all implicates or no one will step
out of line before me and like it's just weird.
I mean I don't know what kind of normal friendships are based on
that but I mean if you're yeah all your relationships are
parasocial and with Abby's online that people, you don't
really know. I mean, I guess I do understand.
I mean we're in a very isolating time.
Yeah. Now so I get it.
I mean look yeah that's the thing I mean yeah.
I Used to be like, I'm not gonna block anybody, you know,
whatever. But, you know, things change.
And I'm like, I got, I got bigger than I thought I'd ever
be in terms of, like, attention or whatever.
And like, yeah, me now I'm just blocking because I mean, some
people are fucking obsessive and they send me weirdo.
Shit and ladylike, I don't know. I've had people offer me to
Doc's other people, other big accounts and all my I don't I
don't want anything to do with this shit, like I don't, that's
gonna do shit. We're all that.
We all should be having fun online where you poke fun at
people, and like, quitters triggers crazy.
But It just gets weird people get it really weird with it too
quickly and it stops being fun, you know?
And it's like, we should be owning we should be like,
clowning on biting, you know? And just like shit.
That's the. We shouldn't be tearing each
other down, you know. It's just that I don't know.
That's just it. No.
Yeah, it's live made a really good point about this which is
like it's weird what and you touched on it a second ago was
like it's weird seeing the switch when it goes from like
everything's a ship post to then all of a sudden like very
serious like well Darkly series. It's like whoa like Didn't like
leaking shit and getting people fired leaking, girls news, like
all this shit that they do these type of shit.
Like, they've done this to people that I'm I like online
that I'm from you choose with and like, you know, girls that
like like our shit whatever. And it's like, it's just weird,
man. This is weird.
I don't want anything to do with.
Yeah, also, just in, it's also just incredibly beta 2, correct?
Yeah, that's yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, it, it doesn't score
well in the rankings, I'll tell you that much.
But the, the thing I find, like, really funny to is, I don't hate
anybody that much. Okay, non-blue check non-white.
Right, right, right. All right.
I don't hate anybody that much and I do it.
I have people every single day that will come in and just tell
me to fuck myself like for, like clowning Biden because I have a
sports podcast as well. We're like everybody's a live
that follows it. So like when they when they I
got people that do that, I don't hate anybody that much.
Like I don't hate anybody to, to do that.
And I'm like how it's like you said, maybe we're just so
isolated that this is all there is, you know, that's, that's a
good point where you're with the distinction made with the blue
chick thing. Cuz in my mind is like, all
right, if I go after AOC or Bernie or people with power
actual power in the system, right?
These are internal. And so what are people who
actually influence things systemically?
Yeah. And these people, right?
If I talk about the left, like I try to avoid like overtly
targeting one single person. Yeah.
Because, you know, I mean, like, if you hit on vouchers or
whatever like it's kind of easy faves.
I was talking about this with a James MKUltra.
Women post sales guy was I right?
Yeah. I was just saying like, you
know, there's there's people that are like obsessed with like
the post left, whatever that is, I don't know what that is.
And basically like, you know, they're talking about small
groups of people small Anonymous accounts and nobody knows,
nobody knows. Yeah, nobody really knows me
like as whatever like sighs I am or whatever.
You know whatever eyes are on me that are like bigger accounts
that like watch what I say, whatever whatever.
Nobody really knows me in the real world and I have zero
influence over anything. Right.
And a lot of these people like, you know, if you're combing
through all my tweets or whatever you like analyzing
every ship post, whatever like that's one thing.
But if I'm talking about like a OC or people in power, you know,
I mean like the DNC. Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird that these and it's why I had that like meme of like
the left is jumping out in front of the bullet.
Like why you jumping out in front of it?
Why do you get, why are you defending these people like they
don't care about you like what you doing?
That lie. Yeah, evidently to it's like
there's no argument. You can make even right now.
Especially right now there's no argument.
You can make that these people care about you.
Yeah. You know are you there's no
arguing and the thing like the thing that really irked people
was when I went after like podcasters or whatever like that
I think and I was going to say that I think that's when I saw
the tide turned. Oh that was out that when you
when you posted that Chopper where Chrisman, it was a gif
where Christmas rat Christmas like kind of adjusting his tie,
and they couldn't predict the Trump winning and I predicted
from one of. Yeah, that's exactly, yeah.
That Was I think that was when I saw everybody like people
because I like I said, I'm in Sports Group chats with a lot of
those like irony Dirtbag left guys.
A lot of them like sports and and I'll be in there and like
they don't talk but I'll see what their tweet like and they
don't talk about it in that group chat, but they'll see it
in icon the tweets. I'm like, damn, that got you
good? Huh.
It's podcast Wars. Basically is what you're right.
Right, right. Yeah.
There was, there was like people, they were like, I didn't
realize this to later but there were people that have like
hundred K followers, like really like almost famous people.
I didn't really notice like I don't I'm not that like Savvy,
you know, I mean I'm not aware of all the shit, but I didn't
know the you like really big people that were like, quote
tweeting me about that shit. Whatever like getting mad about
it. Yeah.
Like yeah one. I don't know them.
Like well, how do you know me? That's the bigger question.
How do you know who I am? Like, I've got like three k.
Like nobody really knows me, but you're well, you're the biggest
account that's willing to be bold face about the shit is the
way I see it. It's as you know, I was like
even though you're not huge, you're you're the one that's
like willing to Say shit, people aren't willing to say.
And so, you're just like the target for these guys that the
group. Think the wrong thing, you know,
kind of like, look a little cooler.
This guy can right? Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, it's
weird because I'll get the M from people who say the same
thing that they're like, oh yeah, I agree with you.
I just can't share this on time on.
Like why are you telling you? Yeah.
Why are you telling me over? It is like that Kovac Kovac
big-time like that. Yeah, I'm convinced to.
Yeah. Covid is like that.
And I'm coming. I'm convinced a third of the
Chapo, fanbase quote, unquote, like believe in what we believe
and they're like these guys are fucking Ron's right now.
You know what I mean? I just like, it's only the vocal
people Online. Rhino that are talking about
that. Yeah, right.
Right. Right.
Yeah. Why not.
When I was first listening to Chapo and and there are people,
like on this. I was going on the sub everyday
like a couple of years ago, right?
Or you're half ago or so I was like because you know when
you're just like oh my God, this shit's like people can talk
about this stuff. I didn't know, I was even a
thing you know, who meets with an absolutely?
Yeah, we were all on the same. Absolutely.
And then, but then there are people in that sub being like
nah, these guys are lives. You guys just don't get It yet.
Everyone's like, no, like no, not at all and that by are
there, right there out there actually, right?
And I was like, yeah, yeah. A lot of disappointed people
now. And I mean, yeah.
I mean, I yeah, of course, I mean, how could you not be?
But, like, yeah, it is true. Like, the ones that are most
mentally ill that will spend all this time like the ranged about
small accounts. Like those are the ones that
allowed us everybody else doesn't really care enough.
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't really excite
anybody as much. That's really the.
Yeah, that's really down. Yeah.
I think I think what? What?
What yeah, what did it was that and then when you guys had a me
on I saw a whole new. Oh, really of?
Yeah I just I mean, you know, here and there it's mostly
screencap stuff. And it's like I follow some of
the people but some people I don't like, I just shit I see
out there because I will say, fed post Army, the FED post Army
Strong. They really hard for you guys
know, they do, it's nice. It's nice to see like and then
they don't do it in like a, like, a malicious way, like,
even obsessive way. But like, you know, I'll see
people scream care and I'll see. Like, you know, Twitter it'll
show like all the replies and everybody that like agrees with
the person and then you go to like, more replies on the bottom
and it's like, man, fuck off. Do you think that guy alone like
and right, and it'll be stuff like that.
When you guys had a me on. I think that was kind of where
it's a red line because she she is like, and like again, do I
agree with everything he says, no not at all.
Like, but one, I think she's the best critic of the left.
When you're talking about just criticizing the left, I think
I've never heard anybody do it better.
Like, and but When you guys had her on, like I was great in
Solomon, by the way. I was a long like I was a couple
parties. Yeah, we really like, I really
enjoyed that but the people just have this like a version to her.
So we're like, it doesn't matter what she says.
She could basically read somebody's who doesn't like hers
beliefs verbatim and she'd be like no Amy that's wrong.
Like you know and right. I don't know.
That's right. It's yeah it's for beta so much
a media thing like what kind of media you consume when really?
It's like dude we are at the lowest point in the working
class. Gasps like history, I think.
Yeah. It looks like yeah.
Like like what are we? So mad at Amy for ride right?
Yeah that was a big. That was a big thing for me to
was like when I was like a straight regular R ad lib
leftist or whatever, like a me like yeah, I found her
interesting. I found sometimes she would be
like, reaching whatever I was like, yeah, I didn't really know
how to feel about. It was also like kind of afraid
to retweet her. I was afraid to be like, damn,
dude, I was afraid to like, kind of like do that because I was
like, damn, he's gonna bring mad like, super strong heat friend
for life. Just for retweeting or whatever
and then after a while I just realized like oh this shit is a
joke, she was right about a lot of broad Strokes things about
the left, you know, I mean, so it's yeah, the discourse
policing thing and like the that element.
I mean, now I'm apparently associated with that too, but
like, yeah, there's that element of like, yeah.
There's there's some dude, I'd like replied to me and been,
like, I used to be scared to read your tweets because I was
convinced by the not. Is wild, right?
Yeah, that was fun being super rude.
A, he's being super honest. He's like, I used to be afraid
to read your tweets because I was convinced by the left that
like, reading, it was like evil, and it would make me evil or
something like that. And then I read your tweets and
I was like, oh yeah, it's not. And there's people who say that
about Amy and listen to the Amy episode, and we're telling me
like, this is the one that everybody's terrified of, she
sounds, like, she's not that bad like this.
I, the impression I got from her was way worse than that, and
people would tell you that I'm like, yeah, it's a weird.
It's a weird thing but I don't know.
It's a very powerful thing, whatever.
Whatever is conducting it, you know, has it figured out pretty
much I guess because like really, you know, I guess I'll
segue into our next thing like what what what are we supposed
to do? Like?
Okay, well, okay, well, okay, so the post left to me where people
what people classify it as just a critics of the left-right
coming from the same thing. It's not coming from the right
wing even though they try to frame it that way.
It's like, we just moved to the right wing and and all that, but
it's almost like somebody who'd be like, oh, do you hate the
Avengers, bro? Like you hate the Avengers?
You don't like Marvel movies, okay?
Like, you know, and it's like, no, I just don't think that
there's a route through the Democratic party to get what we
need. There's obviously not a route
through the Democratic party there.
Is that shirt like this twice in four years?
Learned it twice. I'm telling you, they're telling
you the hey, did you forget? We're going to remind you that.
There's no Avenue through us like they're, they're remodeling
Republican. Yeah.
It's not the Republican either. So it's like we're starting to
realize like, maybe just this, like, There's a lot of fucking
disassociated. Apolitical people out there.
I don't trying to reach out to people in Maga hats.
Not me. Personally, I'm not trying to
reach out to them. I'm trying to reach out to the
people who are just like yo I'm not into politics because
politics never gets me anything which is true.
It's fucking true politics doesn't give me anything.
So you want at least like I've had you know like I've had some
like really like fucking Fringe like podcasts on in my work
truck because we work out in the street and stuff and like
there's people that I never thought I would just have it on
and like I kind of gauge me like see what this person's like
reaction to this shit is you know?
And and they'll be like Yeah, you know, the point, I know.
But yeah, like a point just like she like yeah, that's true.
And it's like yeah, dude because once you start talking about
tangible shit. And like, look, are we close to
getting it? No.
But once you start actually focusing on tangible shit if
that's considered post anything. I don't know, man.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, yeah, I don't know,
because it's sort of like, I don't know.
I have a very, I don't know if they think I'm like, like,
coordinating some type of brand and I'm like, thinking a really
deep about it. And But I'm also like an idiot,
you know. So I don't know which one it is
because to me it's just like damn I thought these people were
serious. Yeah pushing back against the
DNC or trying to convert them and every day I find out that I
was a moron for thinking that and every day I find out that it
was really just a way to get me to vote Democrat for Joe Biden
or all these people that I hate and every day gets more apparent
and Trump kind of forced it to be more apparent.
Because if he was just a regular Bush Romney neocon, Might have
been able to, to sort of they, the elites would have live with
that a little bit better. And there wouldn't be, this
fervor about fascism and all that to Booth Democrat votes.
But, you know, he sort of forced their hand.
And now all the leftists are like they were forced to you
know, basically admit that they wanted the DNC to win and you
know and you know however loud they endorse them or not but
like We all know that they were pushing for the DNC and like
yeah I mean I don't know, to me it's really not complicated.
You don't do that shit. You don't do that shit and you
don't keep my if you do this shit you don't keep my support.
There's no way in fucking hell. I'm gonna be supporting because
I hate these people. So I mean like it's really not
complicated. I don't know what the brand work
is. I don't know what that is but
like, you know, I mean that's just projection but like from
them but like I don't I don't have any brand, it's just like
you don't do that. So fuck that and M, whatever is
against that I am 100% in favor of it's really that simple like
yeah, yeah, because you're not, you're not.
Are you? I'm sorry, God, quiets I know.
Oh yeah, no go ahead. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say
cause you when you say, you're not pushing a brand, like that's
true. I don't think you are.
I think your ideas are your ideas, but there is a brand,
right? So I think that's kind of where
people maybe might say like well look it has a podcast because I
do see all the sentences. Alright, yeah well I'm saying I
think that's where it makes it like an easier thing.
Like this guy's just being a reactionary just so You'll
listen to the FED Post. Yeah, well I liked what that you
got to have that you came out with a line the other day where
you're like you can come on my pile on my podcast.
I don't care if we agree at all but you have to know that you
believe what you're saying and you're not just doing some
stupid like taking the weak shit or where the wind blows saying,
and that really resonated with me for sure, I appreciate the
same way like I disagree with people all the time but I
respect him. You know, like I'll respect a
like a like a dumbass conservative that believes their
shit more than like some snakey ad-lib, dude.
Want to be like any day of the week for sure.
Yeah, you know. Yeah, I'm in love.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I like look but that
post I mean I like, you know, I like the show I like doing the
show. I want to keep doing the show,
it's fun talking to these people.
I never thought I'd talk to certain certain people that have
been guested on and some people that guested like I left with a
feeling of like, damn, I don't think you meant any of that
shit. So, some of them I've changed my
opinion on after talking to him, but, you know, talk to him.
Yeah, exactly. That's yeah, exactly.
See, that's the thing. Is I heard them out and I don't
believe them whatever. But like the thing is like, if
there is a brand I'm pushing, I think, I think the idea of that
is that, there's an ideological brand, but, defend post, even if
you just cut out the gas, right? All our guests come from
different areas, they'd all, the believe completely different
shape just to the host. Just me, slava's, uh, we
disagree about a lot of shit and like, a lot of it, I cut out a
lot of it shit that like, we just argue with each other in
group chats, and just like argue with each other at in.
Like, you know, I try to Put too much of it in the show because
it would take forever to get through but like there's the
that's the thing. Like I don't in terms of like a
brand as an ideology. I don't know what we could push
in terms of the FED post because it's sort of way.
You know this kind of the joke is like people posting like was
a chef posted that fucking building with like a Confederate
flag and a communist flag and a fascist flag.
And so all these are fed post Meetup because like it, there,
it's all mixed up. Like, you know, I mean, there's
nothing coherent about, I don't know, I mean, All I know is that
we all need food and we all need shelter and I'm down to get down
to that, I'm down or whatever your whatever your ideology is
or brand is whatever I want to get down to that.
Wherever you're from I talked to left.
Is I talked to leftist and I'm down to talk to I'm setting up
something with some like, some right wing.
It pulled me while I'm trying to get more right-wingers on
because I'm trying to get down to that.
So I mean, whatever that is, if that's a brand or whatever, I
don't know. But like your, I'm just trying
to do that, you know? I mean, Yeah no I agree.
I agree with you in that in that sense because it's like it's
easy to say when you like so say say I'm someone who has no idea
who you are. And say I'm a random laugh.
This Chapo fan, right? So I'll see you like a crk tweet
and be like nah, fuck that. Click on the Bayou and then you
see the fucking fed post link. They're like, oh, I get it
right, you know, I know that he's doing this to stir the pot
or do this kind of stuff, but I don't know.
Like for me when I, you know, you I listen to the FED post and
like you're not the same As you are on Twitter.
Like your maybe you won't get the same.
I have heard about that. No, I'm not saying you have
different ideas. I'm just saying you
contextualize it, right? We're in front of a microphone.
We can talk. We don't have a character limit.
We can actually write way. We are the way we want to talk
on a microphone. So I whenever like I've been in
places like in group chats were like do that that guy just seems
like unhinged like that's a unhinged is the word they say
about you. I'm like look I don't know the
guy, I don't know the guy but like you should listen to the
podcast because he doesn't sound his fucking like, you know, like
crazy. You know, like a I'm just crazy
on there, like, it's yeah, that's that's, I've heard that
before too. Like my tone can be a little bit
more like aggressive on there. I mean, I think, I think in my
mind it's like, yeah, there's a character limit.
So, like I can't go through all the, like, nuances of it that I
can hear. I'm just trying to get to the
fucking point and if I mean, if the point is, you know, look,
this is, yeah. I mean, this is the thing is
like, yeah, I mean, that's, that's a look.
I don't know how to, as far as the brand thing.
Like, I don't know what kind of brand to push if, if we All
disagree. And I mean, people tell me they
listen to the show people that liked the show.
They always say, I don't agree with everything.
They always say that, but they still like the show and like
they sometimes they agree with, uh, more than me and slobbers a
lot more than the rest of us and like, baby, you different guests
comparing, you know, I get that shit all the time, so it's just
like, yo, I don't, there's nothing really coherent there,
so I don't know. And I mean, that's probably
their critique, right? It's like, oh, there's nothing
cohesive there. Like, I mean, that's a fair
critique of When I push this, I don't know.
It's a fair critique because we're not pushing anything.
We're just trying. I'm just trying to get down to
like, what do we all have a common thread on and what are
you down to like, not be dogmatic about.
That's all, that's all I care about, you know?
I mean, guess what that's what regular life is.
That's like, you know, like, group working with people,
bumping podcast, the truck. That's, you know, it's not
something online hive mind, right?
Yeah, exactly. That's why it resonates with
people. Yes.
Why people can't stand it either.
Is where they're like, no, no. I have curated my timeline.
To be exactly what my tweets look like, you know.
Yeah. And I've I work in a demise job,
right? Are like, yeah, like an atomized
job. All I have is my Twitter friends
and my couple co-workers, but we're on zoom.
We're not talking about politics.
Yeah. I'm not talking about this,
especially this year, I think that's why everyone's like
heightened that way. Because that, like, you me, I
work like, like a legit working class, like blue, collar job.
So dude, I'll put you right now. I have like the fourth most
controversial part politics. I got the address.
That my work like on ironic plan trustees like they'll come in
and they'll be like yeah you see RFK new shit came out today on,
thanks. Robert J safe and we're all your
peepee. Yeah.
And and you know and like the bosses are fine with it and it's
like honestly I'll take that workplace over fucking anything
man. Like yeah.
And like it's cool and it helps so much better.
Yeah. Like we're you know with us
we're not academics at all like it with any of this stuff and I
think that helps because oh yeah it's easier to like it's more
palatable I think to most of the World because a lot of people
work and they don't have fucking time to consume, you know, read
Das kapital in like No And they work like they work.
They want their work 60 hours a week.
They're not gonna have the fucking audiobook in their car
telling me like it's not, it's not me.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah, I mean I rail on
Theory every day. I have to cut it out of the
souls because I it's like too much I don't want to be
redundant but like yeah Theory man.
I'm sorry. Like there's a lot of people I
respect that do read Theory and they're way smarter than me and
like, like, like Adam Lair, and been like, those guys are like,
you know, that that's that's Our passion and I fuck with that.
But I mean most people that are just doing it to try and seem
cool and shit, you know? I mean apply it and bring it
into your conversation and recontextualize.
It like I'm down to hear that for some down here that but
don't don't talk to me like, oh well we can't even talk about
anything and you don't know what you're talking about until you
read this and you interpreted the exact way that I interpret
it and everybody else who read the same thing.
I read that had a different interpretation.
Well they're just fucking moron. Will you shut the fuck up like
it's supposed to sound like the Bible and fucking Jamie pegged
like poster? Something where she was just
like, oh yeah, it's like, this is what I'm talking about, like
this weirdo. Whatever said, that's that.
Pseudo irony like, oh I didn't really mean it that way but
okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you were saying like, you
know, when the workplace or whatever, like you're gonna bump
into people with all different types of ideology and Slavic
made this point. It's like, you know, when you're
talking IRL with people and you don't get to go online and
narrow down, people who exactly. Think like you, you're gonna
bump. People that think a lot of
different shit radically different shit.
So you better like I don't know. You better be a little bit
comfortable with dealing with that and you know, one critique
somebody had a me was like, oh, he's like shopping ideologies.
Now that Trump lost or something like that, I don't know.
Something like oh, you're like running around the store looking
for an ideologies like that. Says a lot about the way you
think of ideology is a consumer thing to use like Marketplace.
Yes, that's not what it is to me.
I'm in love I've got no use for that.
Like I got no you see I just got I'm trying to Figure out, you
know, whatever you come from. Whatever you think, whatever
your background, whatever your ideology.
It's got to be some common thread.
There has to be and I'm pretty sure that Common Thread is not
starving to death and not being homeless.
So, you know, I mean, that's that's where I'll just keep it
at it. Like, I don't know what the fuck
they're talking about. But you know, I just people from
the I got witness and fucking right-wingers and Marxist that
fuck with me that like, what I say.
So, I mean, that I find common ground with so, I don't know.
This is everything to me. I don't need to, you don't know.
That's, that's kind of proof. Myself.
Yeah you guys keep going. I'm going to pause my shit real
quick out of the bathroom. Yeah yeah yeah.
So but yeah I wanted to so CR K, well wewe, you've been you've
been vocal for anybody. Some of our listeners aren't
really part of like Twitter or anything like that.
So I was like, yo you got? Yeah, that's nice man.
That's nice. Yeah, it's cool.
It's actually pretty cool. I actually really enjoy that but
sometimes we'll have somebody on and they're like, who the fuck
is that guy? You know?
And so which, which is cool. I'm jealous, man, I'm just
Jealous men because the, my biggest fear is being like to
twittery or like too esoteric, or whatever, like, having people
that just, you know, don't have anything to do with that shit
that, yeah, I'm trying to reduce a lot of the, like leftist,
right? Marxist, like, Twitter
vernacular that I've acquired, I'm trying to get rid of.
I tried to learn it because I was like, what are they talking
about? I'm trying to learn it.
And now I'm like, yo, I'm trying to get rid of that shit like
yeah, Normie pill is the way to go.
So like that's don't they have like people that just don't know
about Twitter. Because do well, I will say,
they know about Twitter. Clear.
Know. Like they're not going online
exam. Yeah, they're that.
You'll look at their timeline and they'll have like two tweets
a month like those type of people.
That's good. Yeah.
So so nonetheless, what you? And another thing I think people
got mad at you, for is just basically saying like I'm voting
for Trump, right? I'm voting for Trump.
I'm Trump is harm reduction over Joe Biden, which even myself, I
was like, yo, I think they're both bullshit like I just
thought was my God. Oh my God, but I got you.
I didn't think anything you said was wrong.
The critique as far as Joe Biden.
Le stuff case in point. I didn't even plan on talking to
you about this today. As we've had this episode booked
for a while but Joe Biden bomb Syria.
So like it's funny how fast it. Like you can basically return on
investment with some of this shit.
Like I remember thinking like albinos, I'm going to do it
right away right away within the first 100 days air strike on
Syria. Your thought.
Yeah I see. So yeah see I like your stance
on it and like see OHS tank like I mean the one I really hate is
a left to set. We're pushing people to vote
Democrat, obviously that's the one that really like, lights me
up, but you guys like, you guys that are more dislike.
Yeah, man. It's all bullshit.
Whatever the fuck Irish? I look, I've said even before,
like I get that. I just hope this really hard for
me to argue against, but I will say again and there's a more
nuanced thing and look harm reduction is not the best pitch
to anybody but this is the thing acceleration vs.
Deceleration. When they, you know, I was on a
leftist podcast and they were like are you voting for Trump
for acceleration is mm, I'm like no 4D.
Celebration is my I'm trying to slow this shit down because
Trump is Trump and, you know, maybe even Bernie, I don't know,
but like if people like that would basically slow down the
imperial capital is engine, you know what I mean?
And the Democrats, the Neil lives and the Neo cons, you
know, the like straight dead in the middle, you know,
establishment Centrist, or whatever they're gonna
accelerate that shit. So that's what I was saying was
like look, Can Trump stop Wars that are going to happen that
have to happen. I mean, look maybe slowed it
down. I mean, if you stayed president
for 20, 30 years, or whatever, he can't stop the wars.
You can't stop that. There's nothing.
The president, the president,
isn't that powerful? There's a military industrial
complex. That is far more powerful than
any fucking president, right? And it's been that way since JFK
and before that, right? But like he can slow it down
which I think he did. I think he did after the solemn
oniy thing I think. Yeah I think if they were Hilary
this is Why I tell people it's like, you know, if Hillary was
President, I think would be a war.
I think would be arched way more.
Yeah, I think would be we're into something.
So that was my reasoning was like look, I'm not saying he's
gonna, you know, stop all wars and he's a dove.
And he's a, he's gonna, you know, be a socialist and Working
Class Hero, whatever, I didn't say that.
All I said was that in terms of like cutting budgets going to
war increasing surveillance by it in Kamala the neocons and
their lives are going to do it way faster.
Wait. Order way faster and look every
day. I mean, I hate seeing it.
I mean, I'll brag about or whatever, but I hate seeing it.
It's happening. Every day we live in, right this
this week alone. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Oh, yeah.
And you know, it's why I feel sick because like, like I want
to brag about it, but I'm also like the things I predict or
fucking Bleak, you know, I mean, so they keep happening and I
can't even really enjoy it, because I'm just like this
fucking sucks. I don't want this shit.
Protecting your team's going to lose every weekend.
Exactly. Yeah.
Exactly. Like yeah, you're like, oh yeah,
I was right again, guys. Like a fuck-off.
Yeah, exactly. And I'm gonna kill was okay
exactly what you predict a win one week guy.
How about that? But yeah like what I found funny
about this week was now and this isn't the thing.
I think one other criticism I hear about you is that you do
conflate or not conflate, but you just kind of group in at
least on Twitter. And again, I think with your
podcast, I think you, I think. You do a good job of explaining
it, but on just on Twitter for somebody to see, you think the
left in the Liberals are somewhat the same, right?
Like just like, it's the same thing, right?
Like that's kind of the way the criticism I hear.
So, when the bombing happens this week, I see a lot of this
post, levers is left debate where they're like, yo, we don't
like that, though. Marxist left guy will be like,
dude, I don't believe anything the Liberals say, right?
And and like, so, they're like, we're not happy about the, you
know, B in doing this without biting doing that.
But they feel like they're being called liberals by us.
You know, like if that makes any sense, And so, yeah, I just, I
don't know if you had any, like, thoughts on that because even
me, I'm kind of like, well, there's still a distinction
between liberals in the left. However, I do think the left is
kind of like the underground rapper version of liberals.
I will say that like, right like well, yeah, well, that's the
thing that there's leftist. And I don't know if uh, so
identifies left this but like, you know, there's a bunch of
people that are, like, in our chats that like, you know, there
that we're cool with and we have a rapport with and let their
leftist and they don't take what I say, personally, they don't
take. Personally.
Yeah, and this is feel that's me.
Like I still feel leftist, like I don't identify with the
cultural shit at all, but I still want all the same stuff
Bernie wanted, you know, I still like Vibe with that, but I but I
have no problem criticizing a political movement, you know, if
you're if you're that attach to your fucking nerd, you know.
It's sorry. I cut you off.
No, no. That's, that's a good point
because there's some people on post left that will get mad at
me and be like, you don't hate the left enough.
I've hated the left longer than you Ivan, and I'll say something
about, like, look, I really focus on like criticizing the
left project like as a nebulous thing right?
And and you know, major leftist players that are really lives or
whatever. I focus on that.
If you're just some random underclass leftist, I don't
really have too much to say about you.
Like maybe I think you're naive but like I don't really need to.
Yeah, it's not my point. You don't have any power.
So what do I care like this? It's not really the thing.
But like, they'll be post leftist like, oh, you don't, you
don't, you know, they're all legs and like you don't, you
don't critique them enough, and I'm like, dude.
I can't write them off because I was a fucking lib, two years
ago. Three years ago, I can't do it.
I can't. I physically, I would look crazy
doing it so I can't do it. But like, I will say that.
Like yeah, the left as a whole project and when I mean that is
I'm talking about like 90% of it.
I'm talking about like the bulk of it, he's fucked.
And I think, even if you are left is, if you're real, real
left is whatever that means, right?
I think you look at the left and be like damn or shoot his fucked
up, right? And I felt that way for a while.
Until the point where I was just like, you know what this is, and
I care about colloquial meetings, I care about how
people interpret it in the broad sense, right?
And for that I'm like I don't want to go into the base with
someone and be like, hey, I'm a real leftist, I'm a real, I'm a
traditional left, I don't want to do that because like at a
certain point, I just felt like, you know, I'm on shrinking
territory. So I was just like, dude, I just
don't want anything. I'm the more I saw like,
leftist, like shitting on people for being poor like Maga people
supporting exilic. Valley censoring people, or just
supporting this lockdown bullshit.
The more I saw it, I was like, look, dude, I don't want
anything to do with this shit. I don't want to be associated
with this. Like I don't care about labels,
but do not call me that shit. I don't want to be socially with
that shit, beautiful? Yeah, yeah.
And I was that I go ahead, sorry cycle.
No, no. But yeah, I wasn't had nothing.
That's okay. Yeah, no.
The, the what I found because I was the naive, like left.
I didn't know what I was. I kind of I was online but like,
again, I can't fucking from like sports.
Twitter dude. Like I don't I was just kind of
like okay Coughlin ski. That guy seems cool and we're
all him right now. Just sit like that.
Like it wasn't, it wasn't anything crazy but you know,
after a while like yeah. And and him and I signed I have
like a lot of like, especially him like a lot of like crazy.
Like Health takes that might be considered considered like
Chapo. One of our main things and I
don't want to make this like a big Chopper thing, but like one
of their big things was like oh the only people, the only reason
people get into like holistic health is because they don't
have health care and it's like no dude like yeah rich people.
Like fucking billions of dollars to holistic health care shit
like oh that's yeah, that's a bad critique.
So it's like we felt like we weren't a part of it.
Like I remember for a long time we started this podcast on super
Tuesday of last year and it was like yeah shout out.
One year anniversary is going to be this week's definitely oh
yeah, okay, you are on the one-year anniversary episode.
Hey but yeah, March 3rd but the anyways like we would feel like
a certain way we would doubt covid or we would we didn't want
vaccines to be mandatory and like the fucking Rose people do
like you're not a leftist like fine.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yes, right. You don't don't call security.
I'll walk right out. Yeah, no, no.
I remember even covid. Shit, you know exact?
Yeah. Well, the covid shit made it
Crystal Clear, especially for a lot of people that weren't even
on this hype yet, but I remember.
Yeah, being on the Chapo sub and like, you know, I was Anonymous
and like posting on there whatever and and I'd be like,
yeah, I do like Pfizer stocks like we shouldn't trust their
vaccines before covid, right? And people are like well
actually, you know, actually you should get it and I'm like,
you're a fucking You trust your like a Marxist leftist and you
trust like this. Right?
Right, right. Glommer Corporation.
It's like literally had paid out record record, like world record
settlements and killing and maiming people.
And not, and like, not just people, but like, you know,
brown and black people in the global South right?
You know, so they like all people that are all about
identity politics. I'm like, you know, all that
like, oh, you know, you're the what your whiteness is showing
us and they're like, get the Pfizer vaccine and shit and then
covid hit and it was like ee obvious, right?
Yet yet more people who double down even harder, right?
That's the funny thing about the covert thing is like, it's the
people that were kind of knew about it were like, oh yeah,
this is fucking dumb. But the people that are true,
believers, double down even harder, like the double mask
thing and that was the time to utilize our.
We're going to nationalize Pfizer, man.
It's yeah, yeah. Right man.
Like, it was created by an immigrant forgot about that one.
I think I heard that from you. See ya.
Yeah. Yeah we're going to nationalize
fisa written but yeah exactly like it's like stop saying post
left when you don't allow half of the people to be on the
fucking left. Right right.
Right. Rob saying like you you should
have like okay I want open borders.
Make open borders for your fucking political movement.
How about that right? You know, all right, you sit
like that, like stop. Like again if you if you they
don't want to be big dude. I don't think they want to win.
That's the thing. I don't know what Bernie is.
They want to Bernie as president?
They wanted him as president. They wouldn't have done shit to
push him. Yes, we're sorry.
They were Yeah, they would have they would have stand the way
they defend. In aoc's mentioned, is what they
would have done for Bernie. If we had president Bernie went
when we decided like, hey Bernie, where's the fucking?
Where's all this dude? And she connects with an
executive order. No.
You just made a great point that I that matters a lot to me,
which is the left being exclusionary, right?
The left, not wanting to win, while fighting for inclusion,
right? Right, right.
Right and the left left, not wanting to win.
That was something that really radicalized me out of it.
Was that the things that the left advocate, Or their tactics
or whatever, they all seem like things that you would do if you
weren't serious about winning. You know, I mean that if you
weren't serious about, if you're going to like hyper credential
as people like, oh you need to read x amount of marks or you
need to be this woke or whatever like all this stuff, all these
like means-testing people out of your tent or whatever that is
that is to me. It's like intent on making sure
that people don't join it. And when I'm in Brooklyn, Irwin
right? Like the richest people are the
most left the most little. Yeah so that thing like the rich
people being like a elite and like exclusionary and sort of
being like Oh well or you still you know consuming this meat
media good Market good. Well I'm consuming a higher
quality one you know it's always about one-upping that's just the
nature of rich people is like, how else do you justify that?
You spend all this time trying to get rich.
And what other meaning is there to your life.
But then, you know, a certain other people that you're
Superior to them because of your money or whatever.
How was? Yeah, whatever.
How you Justified, if that's all that you care about and it's the
only thing that's going on in your life, it's the only way to
really, you know, make it meaningful.
And and that's the thing is it's the same thing with the left
mentality that I noticed is like it, you have to keep moving the
goal post and what's whoa, keep moving the goal posts on, like,
you know, like Theory and also it's like you it's, it's Anton,
making people not the in it and all the time when I was a
leftist. All the time, I heard you're not
a leftist. You're not a real leftist.
You're not. That's what I heard all its
head. I say I open my mouth and all
the time. Be like that's not real hip-hop.
That's what that reminded me of you.
Yeah I mean yeah and like at a certain point I just said like,
Yeah, I think more, I hear this. I'm like, yeah, I don't think
this is. I don't think I am.
Well, I wanted to talk like the Bernie campaign in 2016 and
2020. I think we forget that or I
forgot hours, I had this realization the other day that
we're like, you know, Bernie coming up in 2016, is radically
different than Bernie in 2020. And I don't mean the person or
the man. I just mean, like the vibe of
what was going on. Yeah, it was it was coming from
the outside in being like, you know we can change this shit
while Wahoo and like people. All that weren't political
before like me and so, you know, like I was at a meeting of them
stuff but yeah, we're like, oh shit.
This has fucking it up, you know, let's go.
You know, and, and then in 2020, it was the opposite.
It was like, it was like, just this tidepool, this like
quicksand of like, you know, all this dumb, you know, see
bringing, you know, early, canceling, because if you've
listened to Joe Rogan, you couldn't be a Bernie supporter
and all that stuff, right? And and I remember in the
middle, when like the Bernie thing was seriously faltering,
you know, in like in Winter and early spring, you know, of last.
Last year, and you would hear people in the Bernie campaign
like half of them. But would be like, yo, what the
fuck is going on? Do this criticize, Joe Biden?
Do this thing? Do that thing, where are you
doing this, right? And the other half would be
like, no, we can't do that. Look at, you know, I never liked
actively try. So those motherfuckers were like
they didn't want to win. They literally they wanted their
media careers that were for whatever reason, maybe just
psychologically. So what majority report to get
picked up by MSNBC like I'm really yeah she doesn't do
anything. Exactly that's where and that's
where those are the people that virtually signal the Artists.
They're like, no, I assure you. I'm on the left like mehdi,
Hassan, but whereas people like us like we want it.
So that's the irony is like we're more like we're more
economically. Left means than these people.
You know? Like we have.
You want that shit more to the extent that we don't give a fuck
about any of that other shit. But like they have to pretend
that they are, you know. And it's just like it's so
obvious now and and I don't know like there's a lot of, I don't
know. I'm kind of like a it's gonna
come out. We've talked about this before
as my come out, kind of weird, I'm kind of like a red lip
Defender and a lot of As well as, like, like Kyle kolinsky,
and Brie Joy gray. Like I got massive problems with
him and there there like extreme rad lab, but as if you're like,
if your trash and Joe Biden on the regular like you're cool
with me, you know? And like and Kyle Clancy was
never like, he was like, don't joke vote for Joe Biden.
He was never saying vote for Joe B.
Like I respect that, you know what I mean?
I don't go end up. Yeah, no, I yeah, I think I
think I know. Yeah, I know, we're, we're all
coming from this, you know, but I'm what I'm saying is like,
like there. People they're going to be the
way they are. You know what I mean?
They're just like, they're never going to be like you and you and
me and and crk. You know what I mean?
Like, yeah. True yeah.
So I'm like that's infinitely better than some.
Yes. Some dumb majority report or
some fucking, you know, some weird media out posting.
But anyway, I was just, I was just going off.
No, no, I feel you. I feel yeah.
Like yeah, where it was just like it was very clear that if
some people were actively sabotaging this shit and and I
feel there was almost a district where they knew it had, Chance
and they were just Tryin ta Keo. I'm short.
Yeah. I think they wanted to be Niche,
dude, they wanted to be Niche, like right, exactly.
Look at the way they look at the way they consume every other
kind of media. Exactly.
Do you like re Astor movies? I actually like this director
that copies him and his way shitty exactly.
Do you like this band Nirvana know?
I actually like this band that says that they got their whole
style from Nirvana but nobody knows about him.
So I like bibstro politics. Yeah, exactly.
It was never sustainable. Like you said, The goalposts
move what are the rules of the left?
I can't even tell you I can't tell you what the rules of like.
The woke left is I can't tell you every day fucking different.
I'd be around people. And they would just be like at
woking each other be like, well, I've read something that you
guys haven't even read and I know about all the shit that you
guys don't even know. They're just say it.
Very explicit like that. I'd be like, so what are we
talking about? I'll be like, what it what are
we doing? Like is that, is that what the
whole point of this is? And like yeah, it's the same.
Yeah, exactly what you said is like they were last stereotypes
about Bernie supporters about being like, you know, him Derp
white dues, or whatever, from Brooklyn, whatever.
And I was just like, oh, that's bullshit whatever.
But like a lot of the it look, I'm again, I try my hardest not
to condemn Mass groups of people, I try not to do that
shit. Like even the BLM protesters,
like the ones, who are rioting. I don't condemn all them and I
don't condemn the people out there were real folks out there,
there was a real motherfuckers out there.
Yeah. And I don't condemn all the
people who had the capital rate, I don't condemn any of them.
Like I, you know what I mean? Like, I'm my power.
It takes a pro mob, you know, I mean, if there's enough people
out there, they're doing something desperate, I have to,
I have to sort of, like, take heed to that.
I have to do that. I can't do what these people do
and dismiss them and be like, oh you're all privileged and you're
all acting out. You're having a tantrum.
What the fuck does that mean? Like I Tantra.
Yeah I don't know. I don't.
Yeah I don't get that like you killing people over a tantrum
like I don't, you know I don't get.
Yeah like we had we had the same thing where we during the George
Floyd protest we were like fuck yeah, fuck cops, you know like
no we don't like Cops, no one likes them.
Everyone said shitty experience with them and then it turned
into the whole like corporate BLM thing and we're like,
actually fuck that too. You know, that's not good.
And then, the capital right thing happened and I was like,
okay, like clearly this is like being used as a psyop, but it's
actually real real people that believe in this shit out there.
They built that like they built, they built it up.
But with the media consent, they were like one day, this is gonna
fucking happen. The the you shake up a soda
bottle enough and then finally open it, you know, some shits
gonna happen, right? So yeah, yeah, exactly.
Sorry. Yeah, no and I got well, it's
funny. I got people in my family that
will hit me because they know I'm the crazy one, right?
And don't hit me up though. And they'll be like, you know,
like, oh, you're you know, you hear about this Q, shits dumb
blonde. I'm like, aw, like yeah, I agree
with you. It is dumb to think that Trump
is going to stop the pedophiles. Like, that is dumped a clue then
on the same breath. Don't be like, maybe like, holy
shit. Have you heard like I have like
normies coming at me now being like, have you seen these jams
out with fantasy Instagram? Like Instagram posts from, like
pizza gate? I thought that was fake.
Like people told me, Fake news. Stephen Colbert Tomatoes, white
fucking Channel, you why? I told you it was fake.
Yeah. Micro you're like, you're like
five years late but thank you for liking out.
It, you know. Like the kids have already been
dealt with. Yeah.
They're like fucking, they're like sophomore year of college
but already they're working at a pizza place now.
Yeah. But it's just I don't know.
Like and again it's I hate we were talking about about like
the the Biden thing and bombing bombing people and you know,
being the opposite of Harm reduction where it's like yeah.
It's that same feeling of like I hate being right about shitty
stuff, you know? Because it's like such a it's
such an unsatisfying feeling where everyone has their
blinders on and you're just like I called this two years ago and
you know it's like yeah I called these people being murdered two
years ago. It's a shitty feeling and it
doesn't make you feel good, you know?
No, and no, it doesn't, it doesn't really.
I mean it's like, yeah, I'm always like, you know, when I
get proven, right? You imma go off and then it
happens that I'm just like, I don't even want to talk about
it. Those kind of the prize, I'm
just depressed. I'm genuinely love you to press,
like, even with the stronger. The next thing, what's next?
You're like, Okay now, what's next?
Like, it's not even like, oh it happened.
You can't even really process it in the moment.
You're like, well, yeah, I was gonna happen right now.
What's going to happen? You know, I don't like surprises
anything. Yeah, exactly.
And I said, yeah, it had like a, like, a, I'll be real.
Like, I had almost mental breakdown, like, maybe five six
years ago, like ish. Not like it wasn't too serious
or anything but like when I was, you know, I was like going deep
in the conspiracy stuff and I was before FC.
Gene was a household name. I was rocking Epstein way
before. Really listen to us.
You suggest mixtapes. Yeah, but no, but I was like, I
was like this dude exists and like, I and know what is this
like I'm some obscure internet for him.
No one even knows about this dude.
I was like am I going crazy like am I like hallucinating right
now? And then it's always on the news
every day, right? Right, exactly.
And then four years later, it's like a giant.
Like, you know, families in me up.
I'm like, oh my God, this is so it's like, but I already had the
self-doubt four years ago. Yeah, crazy.
You know, my fucking nuts. So, anyway, I'm just, no, no,
absolutely no. Absolutely not.
You know, I yeah, I appreciate you saying that, because I
honestly like that that's a very, it's a weird feeling man,
because especially like, when this so much, this course,
policing to make it that, like, even if somebody starts to feel
like something fishy about whatever, like, even if they
have, that inclination, they don't want to talk about it
because they know it brings more trouble than it's worth.
Right? So like if you, if you have that
inclination and you actually look into it or say something,
then you just, you know, you get the hammer on you and like, you
just, you know, you just feel more and nobody's gonna jump up
to be like, oh yeah, I think he's right.
Nobody's going to do that because they don't want the
trouble themselves. So like, you just feel very like
alone and CEO when covid-19 a year ago.
Yes, I don't mind you saying, bro.
Dude, I really was like exactly. When did it switch for you?
Like, I know you're early to it, but like, Walk me through the
early January February, March, like what was going through?
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, all right, go ahead, sorry
guys. Oh yeah, I remember, yeah, I was
in China in 2019 end of the year and then they're like, oh, it's
going to come and all the lips are like, oh, it's not gonna
come and the right-wingers will bug out bag like tripping, out,
tripping out and China. And yeah, they're prepping and
shit, and they like, it's gonna be the end of the world.
And the lives lives were just supposed nothing.
And then, yeah, March. All of a sudden, it just
happened all at once. In New York was just like,
should I just move Add some more new and I had the flu and I just
moved in with my girl and like everything just shut down and
all of a sudden like as to state of emergency and people I was at
the store to buy food, long-ass lines.
And I was just like, what is felt surreal?
I was like, what? So like during that time like
the beginning of March, like I was just like this is crazy, but
I was also like this feels super surreal and then just throughout
March, like, towards the end of March.
In the beginning April, I was just like looking at the way,
the media was handling. All of it because I watched a
lot of news like I hate watched a lot of the news.
I hate watching things I was like all right.
Whatever they're saying is is how I can get a read on what the
elite want us to think and then corrects turn from their right.
Not necessarily just go the polar opposite but I it gave me
a good read on what they're trying to do.
And during yeah at the end of March beginning of April, I was
just like damn it's weird because I've been telling people
all 2019 than a crash was coming very soon and people were
telling me I was crazy and now there's a crash.
But it's not because of the rich, it's because a guy kept
saying, oh, it's going to crash and people are going to hate the
rich again. It's going to be serious is
going to be like a serious thing and then all of a sudden
happened and nobody blame the rich everybody blamed covid,
it's the covid crap. They blame the poorest people,
they played, they played, they blame the people in the fucking
trailer parks, they thought it was a political weapon, dude.
I swear the liberal psychology only because I have some inside
knowledge of some people look, but like they're kind of like,
yep. We're going to be fine.
And those red states are going to get crushed and we're gonna
crush the And because all fucking rich people going to,
yeah, no, no joke. Whoo-hoo, how do they say it is
explicitly? As I said it, they go.
No, but look like, look at what got attached to masks.
Look at what got attached to it. You're a whole belief system.
Got attached to wearing a mask. It was like, okay, I wear a mask
that means, I care about science, Emergency Signal like
lives. Yep.
Means I care about that other than 0 and you don't wear masks
and that was first off, one of the biggest fucking like
fallacies ever, is that only like white supremacist people.
Don't wear masks, it's like dude I've seen hello black people
without massive until like You know, that's right.
Well, masks like, yeah, exactly. So, but that was the thing.
I was like, look, all the racist people, they don't wear - it's
the video to go with the cash. Fuck the virus.
We are getting money. Yeah, but then, I'd be at work
simultaneously and I would see just a bunch of people, not
wearing masks, but people not not doing this because we were
at work We're at work and you realize it wasn't just I'm just
plugged into the TV at home, working, remotely, scared out of
my mind. I was at work and I swear the
Liberals thought it was gonna be a political weapon and then once
you know, San Francisco started getting hit and like where you
are in New York once they started getting hit it was like
oh shit. Shut it down right?
You know like it was it was so crazy and you could just tell
like again had to shut down like when people say we don't lock
down properly, it's like well then why did the fucking well
just shoot upwards? Like yeah we locked down.
Exactly the way they wanted a lockdown.
I'm sorry it was proper as fuck, maybe not for you because if for
some reason you thought with no precedent whatsoever we were
just gonna get money delivered to our fucking door every single
day. You know, I mean like that's
where the left is completely lost me was that we're just
going to be out in the street screaming for fucking relief.
But yeah you know schools can't be open, fucking workplaces,
shouldn't be open to where we can't even unionize which that's
their big thing is unionizing. Everything we can't even do that
anymore because we're not working in the same place and
it's like it was such a contradictory thing on the left
even more. So because Liberals now don't
even give a shit like that. Much about covid anymore.
It's the fucking left that does. Oh no.
Yeah. Oh no.
Yeah. And if you talk to them in
private and those that was a big radicalizing thing to me.
So it was like being around like lefties or liberals in New York
and just like being around being like you guys aren't doing like
the proper covid shit that you always like tripping out about
war and private than they're like, oh well, you know, we're
cool. So it doesn't matter.
I'll be like damn. So all that shit is for show.
You're not serious about this because it doesn't look like it
looks like Well, that's what all the lip endemic means.
Shit is about. It's just like, oh yeah.
Like you know it doesn't apply to you and it's all these dirty
filthy poor people that are spreading covid, right?
Then I clean like you like you're clean so you can't spread
it and you know, he's you're not they're not at fault for, you
know what, it's very like Protestant thing.
It's like, yeah, I mean I don't know man, I knew the crowd is
coming and it happened and then I was like, yo there's a lot of
protests around the world. There's a lot of right-wing
nationalism which at the time I was, you know, against, but I
Also like hey they're also enemies with an enemy of mine.
I thought they were all like relatively equal enemies in my
mind or maybe the right was worse of an enemy or whatever,
but I was just like yo they get a lot out of this now all these
Chile you know Hong Kong like all these places around the
world where they're huge Iraq. There were huge protests and now
they're just like the streets are dead quiet now.
Yeah, I was just like, yeah, this is mad fucking suspicious
and I was just like, you know, my biggest concern was like
alright, the neoliberal order is going to fall and the Right is
going to beat out the left, which is going to be bad, right?
That was my biggest concern. Yeah.
And all of a sudden I saw them just snuff out everybody,
everybody regardless, you know, yellow vest writes a mix of like
left and right and all this stuff, just all snuffed out and
I was just like, damn they have way more power than I thought
they did. And that was a big turning thing
for me was like, you know, I kept underestimated.
This is thing of, like, an among the students, whatever to just
be like all these fat incompetent motherfuckers, like
these fat cats. Like, they don't know what
they're doing like there. His do.
Yeah. And then I just like that was a
big turning point for me like no.
I don't think I should underestimate these people
anymore. Like I think I did too long and
like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean they got cover for everything.
They broke up all the unrest and yeah, one trillion two trillion,
three trillion, upward wealth transfer these like half a year.
Yeah, this care package, everything that's just going
towards them, you know, small business, dying people who work
gig economy and like working like Retail and all this
entry-level shit, they're all dying.
And it's just it's just all shifting to e-commerce things
that were already happening. And all the Articles was just
like, hey you know, you may never talk to anybody again for
like forever even after vaccines.
I was like, yeah. How do you know that?
How do you know it was a bizarre thing to me?
I was like, did you tell me that graph that graph where the it
was like, here's the doctors estimation of when you'll be
able to do normal activities and one guy, yeah, one guy was like
hug and he was like 20 25. I'm like the fuck out of here.
Yeah, like you On Tinder getting pussy tonight.
He's like yeah, 2025 for you guys but yeah, it was so weird.
Yeah. And they were laughing all the
way to the bank at the yeah the fucking Bernie left movement
going along Hook Line. And Sinker with this shit I
found it without they found on the wheel ridiculous.
Oh yes. Oh yes, yeah, because the silver
platter did it was just like could not have been and that's
when I that's when really covet for me is when I learned that it
was not a serious project. They like that.
Nothing was going to come of this like it.
These people are arguing against our, our fucking Liberties and
our economic prospects like literally arguing against it and
just all just for being like no dude.
Like we're going to get two thousand dollar checks a month
like at some point like they have to give it to us.
I'm like they're not they're not going to give it to us.
Do like we're fucked, you know, it's like I know and it's just
like like if that's your thing if you're like if you want to
shut down all the nail salons because like we just have maybe
have to shop at Amazon for a couple months and then we'll be
fine after that. You're dumb you're you haven't
you're not serious y'all like look I'm gonna look broad
Strokes. I knew Bernie didn't have a
chance 2020 because like, you know, he's old and like,
Hillary, he lost the Hillary and Hillary he endorsed Hillary like
a lot of. It just gave me this Vibe of
like, you know, I have of like family.
That's like DSA or whatever. I was just like, no, he could
run again, we're talking about this in 2017 or whatever.
I'm just like, do I don't see it.
I don't see it happening, and I was very pessimistic about the
whole thing, but, you know, I still allowed myself, you know,
naive optimism because I was like, I just want him to win.
I just really wanted. You know, I mean, yeah, I just
allowed myself to hope that especially, you know, when
things were looking good and just like, you know, everyday
thinking, is he gonna like fucking drop the hammer on these
guys? Like, when is he going to do it?
And they're like, oh, don't worry.
He's waiting for the right moment.
He waiting for the Narrows down all the strategist were like,
oh, we're just what he's just waiting for the right moment.
When the, when the, when the panel fins and then, he can go
after bite, it never happened, then it was one-on-one him.
Invited never happened, God and then smoke, and then after you
got rigged, After after well, I don't know regular whatever.
But after there was coordination and you got out all of a sudden
just like, slowly just shifted over to bite and right.
Everybody. All surrogates and everybody
else slide in and covid. Yeah.
Right. And then at the same exactly.
And at the same time, this covid shit is happening.
And all I see, is these leftist telling me all these people
protesting the lockdowns. Like, they just want to go to
the hair salon. They're just like privileged
motherfucker. And I'm like, damn is kind of
weird, man because we're in a recession.
Like, I don't want to hear about people being privileged like I
don't wanna hear about Mass like yeah, movements going on that
are like privileged during one of the greatest recessions in
like a century, I don't want to hear that shit.
That really that. Well that was like those things
happening together. Sort of like around March last
year. Exactly a year from now.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like and that those are the real acceleration.
That's the irony is that like you know, you can accuse me,
acceleration is if you want I don't know Trump or to burn it
down or some shit. But if you're the type that's
saying like no these nail salon owners have to starve and their
Have to starve. As long as we abolish capitalism
which is never going to happen, it's not going to happen in the
next five years, right? Like those are the real
unserious people that are like you know oh no this is perfect.
Discover things going to perfectly are doing okay.
In capitalism right? Dude.
Exactly. Right.
That's the skin in the game. I don't I'm not gay like you
don't see like there were some people like on the left with her
like I'm a server but I still think we should lock down.
We did the right thing. Okay sure talk to me in a month
you know like but also these people it's like you didn't miss
a fuck you didn't miss a meal, you didn't miss anything.
Like that and your and you could swear, you have your pulse on
the working class. But I said something today,
like, on Twitter where it was, like, look a lot of people that
argue about the working class whether I agree with them or not
are doing it from like a one-way mirror man, like, on a focus
group where they like, they don't actually, they don't
actually fucking know what any of these people are.
Like, also want it? Oh yes.
Oh yeah. Like it was this.
I said I saw before was like, covid is like a first-world
scrub? It is a first world.
Problem is one of my favorite fucking that looks good man,
that was good. Like I thought about that was
like, Yeah, they're really, there really is kind of exists.
Like, you know, the farmers and fucking in in, you know, Burkina
Faso aren't tripping on covid right now.
You know what I mean? They're worried about their
fucking Harvest, they weren't even pandemic shirts, actually,
right? Yeah, no, but soon, you'll be
like like my area. Like, yeah, the hood is right
there and the people that are from the hood, right?
They've never given a fuck about covid this entire time.
Once they're out there, mass group Snowmass smoking, blunts
on the street, they do. Don't give a fuck, right?
And they're telling you in the news world, this hurts black
people more than other people like them.
Like, yeah. This is saying that all the
thing about you should be scared, you should be scary.
This is serious. Like the right-wing.
I had it like right-wingers had like a very basic point.
It's like, it's that scary? Why do you need to keep
reminding people? Write is that bad people will be
scared on their own? Don't know, like, oh so my
cousin died from this. Oh somebody, I know that they'd
be terrified on their own, they wouldn't fuck around with this,
but that's a great fear, not even like reacting like that you
have to remind them to be scared and like, you know, yeah.
When we've had like, like people from the south on our show and
like, they'll be like in the South, like, Roy is like, nobody
gives a fuck about it, right? Yeah.
If you, if you like, you know, work remotely, stay indoors,
whatever, right? If you're homeless, that doesn't
mean anything me, right? Like staying nothing.
The fuck does that mean to you, right?
Yeah, but all these guys that have like sushi jobs and I'm one
of these motherfuckers, like, I bust my ass in school and like,
my parents are immigrants whatever.
But like, I have what it is, White Collar jobs and like this
is the thing. It's like, you know, we have the
privilege, Of just sitting here remote or whatever, but I know
every day when this was going on I was like, dude, this shit must
be crazy outside because it's like regular people don't have
that. So if you have like a bougie job
and a nice big apartment or whatever, and you're just like
ordering seamless, contact free assuming you're just like that.
Yeah, of course, of course. Covid is, you know, you can you
can brag, you can like covid school people because you have
the means to get through this with like, you were saying, like
people sitting inside like ordering.
Must all day. Just look at the actual Optics
of that. Look at the Optics of like,
okay, this is the safe way to order food is when another human
being touches my food. Other than me, going to go get a
clear. Oh, yeah, Glee.
Like, I've always always thought about that.
Like, I'm like, okay. And then you'll see people.
I saw somebody the other day, like, so somebody screencap
somebody, like one of their like lib friend saying, like, oh, I
would love to get my Bagels delivered, but I'm pretty sure
the last time they did it, they weren't wearing a mask and
weren't wearing gloves. It's like the fucking usual.
Like step back and look at your own fucking what you're actually
saying. Do this fucking lift?
This like, I will name her. I don't even remember her name,
but like she was just like all these service people at my job,
like, they won't wear their fucking mask.
I'm like you fucking, you sound like a fucking like a manager.
Oh my God. Is she just like, dude, one of
the radicalizing things moving New York, five years ago, and
seeing how rude these people were to service people.
Oh yeah. My my God man.
That shit was my fucking blood. Oh yeah.
These people, and they woke is people, they always the Locust
monster. It's like, you know, concern
with like social justice in all this shit and they're the rudest
fucking people these people. And there's nothing they can do
about it right there. Have to serve this, they're
they're not in position to talk back.
Whatever that should really like turn my head on this shit
because I was like, oh I moved to the city and I'll be around
like left people like this because I'm from like Jersey,
like, oh this would be good. I'll be around people that think
like me and I go there. I'm sick of these people
overcome worse in some ways. They're almost worse and it's
just like Yeah, that shit yet. The that that covid shit is
wild. And the other thing is the
fear-mongering right? Like the we're gonna have a mass
grave in Central Park and we're putting these people in freezer
chest and we're at war with covid.
And the nurses are the First Responders and I was just like,
damn, it sounds like 9/11. They kept saying have a nine,
eleven hundred percent was 9/11 every day and I was like, you
know, I remember a lot of the shit around 9/11 was bullshit.
So if you're gonna tell me you're trying to signal to me,
hey, Refer back to that time if you want me to really refer back
to it, I remember being bullshit.
So, I yeah, yeah, yeah. Kovac m-met steel beams man.
Yeah, I don't think know, and yeah, it noxious know.
I, yeah, I remember I because, yeah, went before you knew about
it. You were like, what the fuck is
going on with this? So, I remember I was scared for
like a week because I went, you know, my sister has some
newborns, right? And I remember, I traveled down
there, right? At the start of it.
It and she's like, is it going to be cool?
I'm like yeah, you know, and then I went back to my home and
I like got covid. I'm pretty sure.
And I was like, freaking out my fuck.
Am I going to kill my family right now?
Yeah, right, right. And then of course, you know
nothing happened and I lived I moved since then.
But I lived in this apartment right where there's like tons of
homeless people, like encampments in Portland, you
know just like is like the busy street for homeless people,
right? And which was cool you know,
there's hilarious. Right?
It's like it's you know they're funny Bros and everything but I
remember I was like, fuck like These people going to die and
then X same thing. Nothing happened at like, I
don't recall what one story of anyone, maybe even getting
covert, or even like. And this is like, I mean, winter
sleeping on the streets, right? I'm like maybe this isn't the
fucking plague, you know, and then it just yes.
And then it just slowly trickle down and like every all the
lockdowns got ramp up more and everything else.
But everything else like actual covid-19, not less and less
serious by the day. When you look at the numbers and
everything and it was just, it was crazy.
I was worried about coming soon. Ashley, I was like, damn, I got
that flu. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
fuck. Do I have it like shit?
I was a little nervous and then your honesty is very
reactionary, but I saw the lives panic, and I was like, oh, then
it must not be serious. Exactly.
Yeah, for real and like, yeah, I just like overtime.
Yeah. In the summer, BLM, their out
every day. I was the Nelson for me, dude.
That was, that was 100%. Okay, hope it's bullshit.
When I sing it is thankful shit. Yeah, dude, look like, I mean,
look, we could all disagree about like me.
You narratives or whatever but like, yeah, that shit.
Like again you the only, I don't know, at that point.
You're talking about like two plus two equals five shits me.
Like dude, yeah, see it in front of your face.
Why do you need to go to PolitiFact to fact-check
anything? You see it?
Yeah, they're out there masses of people, and the CDC is saying
that social justice is more important than social
distancing. Yeah, you be a thinking
independent person, see that. And not think something's a
little bit fishy about that boggles the mind it, I remember
Glenn Greenwald was Like, you know, this seems kind of fucking
seems kind of dumb and never there's like, no, no, you're
wrong do. Yeah, it is not you fucking
nausea race. Ya your waist.
Yeah, I'm sorry for saying that, that like, we're the yeah.
Walker's, you you it's funny you you, we were all saying the same
thing. You are starting to like get it
kind of a bigger following. So I was kind of seeing like, oh
shit, we really can't talk about your family because I was saying
I was saying, you get your ass whooped on fucking Twitter but
we didn't have like a following that we had a couple people that
were sent to us. Like no joke.
You could count on to fucking hands at the time and They were
kind of all like an agreement, so it wasn't really, it wasn't
like, it was, it was so funny. But then, you start seeing
people trickle. I get really excited when I see
people kind of wake up a little bit.
Like I'm like, oh yeah, because that's fine.
I won't hold that against you. Like I'm not.
Yeah. Like, but as the left, I thought
the left was way more conspiracy brain than it really is.
That's, that's the problem. I like have with a lot of stuff.
Like it's like they will bow to authoritarianism like yeah for
any specific thing like and it's like oh but it's our comrades,
the health of our comrades. It's like, dude, you're buying
all this shit on credit right now.
All your comrades are going to die over the next five years
because they don't fucking have what they need unless they're
all rich like you secretly. Right, right, exactly.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I love I love what and I'm
again I'm not sure. I know weird always just talk
shit about another podcast but and I don't necessarily hate
hate these guys but I love your takes here.
K on the the true non fucking true, not?
Yeah. Where it's like they it's like
these the safe conspiracies, that are cool but like still
won't insult. Yeah.
Says means-tested conspiracies. The only what What Glenn says
about like, dude, I was pushing pushing and pushing a baby seal
off into the sea water to see if it gets eaten before.
You begin by sharks before you dive in, you know, like oh yeah,
safe you know to say no. I did they they didn't like
okay. I will say like I still don't
have like ill will towards them or anything.
Not just like I've heard some awesome shit.
They've done some awesome installments.
Like their 911 shit is awesome. Like I was a ghost so tight, and
then you see this happen and they live kind of by their from
based out of like where I am too kind of the same 40 mile radius
I guess or something. And you're like you're yeah
exactly. So I'm like you're not seeing
any of it. You're with your brain wired.
The way it is. Yep.
You're not. Which means to me, you're kind
of useless when you can't see anything in real time.
Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you, thank you for saying that man.
Yeah, real time is the true litmus test.
You know? That's the real.
Yeah. Thank you for saying, yo, cuz I
was losing my mind. I was like, how are you digging
through hope this recruiter film?
What's his name goes to jail? Podcast Berto.
Yeah, one of those. One of those guys.
I'm real cool with on Twitter. I, my camera.
Yeah, they're kind of like rubber do.
But the other one. Yeah, they do the music the
collective. Yeah.
That's how it right fucking. Yeah.
It's a good idea. Is good for Matt.
And like, yeah, like you had me on, for the conspiracy one and I
was just like, yeah, I was trying to like, nail the point
in, like 2 minutes. But like, yeah.
It's like why are you digging through all this conspiracy shit
and you see all this? This funny shit going on.
And yet when this happens today, you're like, oh yeah, well yeah,
whatever they said, sure whatever.
They do, say, whatever the government said, wherever the CD
said, yeah, well that makes sense to me.
What the fuck? Are you talk?
What? Like aren't you?
And the funniest thing was, I was like, Joe.
I was like I was saying like, oh, it's so funny that these
people I was like oh it's corny to like stressed about 9/11 and
JFK when that shit was like Declassified already.
Yeah. 40. Fuck.
Yeah it's irrelevant now and you're not tripping about the
shit today and they're all like oh you're a Fed.
You trust the feds. While you're there were saying
like I was CIA from that. Yeah.
Exact so dumb. And I was like, and I was just
like, they were like, lecturing me about him.
Like dude, this is like high school level conspiracy, no
offense but like I was just like, you know exactly who
doesn't know whatever. I don't want to say that because
I don't want to sound like that, but like I'm just saying like,
yeah, look, what's happening today?
What's happening right now? Can you apply that same level of
skepticism and cynicism today? That's what I want to hear.
And I'm listening I don't listen to any pot.
Cast for like I heard a little bit of theirs and they were
just, like, I'm scared. I'm scared, I don't know what's
going on. It's so terrifying.
I'm just like the fuck you didn't like you.
I don't know, man. I don't know.
The 911. Parallel to me, is the most
clear to me? It's like the ones are the
yellow, orange M, fear. And now, oh, now we're going to
war and if you're if you're not wrapped up in the fear and going
along with this then you're a bad person.
You're yeah. It's like yeah it's just like
you hate the troops or whatever. It's just like yo.
I don't know man. I don't know how many times it.
Away with this. But like, yeah, the left.
That was another thing, I believe, please believe they're
gonna do the exact same thing with covid, lockdowns and Five
Years. It'll be safe to climb a
lockdown stew, and all I've lost them.
Yeah, yeah. But we're not, I'll do it an
installment. They'll be like, okay, five
years. This is 20 25 and we're going to
do the covid series. Yeah, exactly.
All right man.
Like that's cool. Yeah it Chomsky.
Let's go and then like and then you'll chomsky's the worst with
conspiracy dude. He's like a young Chomsky but ya
go. Ya know like the Dome actual
know. Yeah.
Are you his You guys heard his his JFK quote, you know, he's
weird where he where people ask him is like, hey, like, you
know, should we be concerned about you know, like JFK getting
murdered by the CIA? And he's like, he's basically
like doesn't matter like if they, if they did or not like
it's irrelevant, I'm like, bro. How is that irrelevant?
Like how is that fucking cook as well?
I am yo and he's feeling he's photograph.
I didn't like you. Yeah, yeah, it's just
discrediting everything he's ever done and everything's got
this Trump's worse than Hitler, dude.
Yeah, yeah. He said he's poses a Graver
threat then to the, because his do was alive for Hitler.
I don't ya. It's a logic was like climate
change like you know, like we could end all of life on Earth.
It's like Trump's fault and it's not fucking your that and you're
the biggest climate fucking guy out of anybody, you know,
Mike's. I like it's not even like you, I
got we do. Yeah, we yeah, that's right.
You are like, you would be somebody that sees the climate
change threat as like, for sure but threat than probably, Tom,
Stephen does, but you're not going to do hyperbole.
That. Yeah, like that.
Like, they all just fucking fell in line and even Adam Curtis,
I'm hearing is fucking like, oh, yeah, Biden's, good blm's, good.
And I don't look, I don't know if they're under any pressure to
say any of that shit. But again, like, look, I don't
care what you say when it's too late to say it, you know, I mean
like Chapo shifting back and true.
Not shifting back to like, oh this fascism thing is bullshit
and like, oh, you know, The Democrats are no good.
I don't care what you say when it's convenient to say it.
I care about what you say when it's not convenient, and I said
that shit when it wasn't convenient and I got, right?
I got cooked for it. And nowadays, you look around
and even a lot of leftists are like, yo, lock downs and fucking
fucked up. And a year ago they were making
fun of all the Maga people for being empty lockdown.
So it's like yeah, Applebee's. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, you just want the your hair salon.
And to me when I hear that shit, I hear the well The Welfare
Queen thing. I hear like, Oh yes, easy.
You got a car. Oh, you're not Paulie.
You're not poor? Yeah.
You know, you know you're just a fucking crack addict and you
can't, you know, you're not raising your kid right?
And all that and you don't need this money.
Why should I do? You got your?
Yeah, you got Jordans. But you can't pay her.
Yeah, it's that 15 years cycle. Where all the, all the right
wing takes become lib left. Take ya again, you know, it's,
it's happening during the covid time.
You even saw it happening. Like, if even during the covid
time, you saw the political realignment happening almost at
like, Like a one-to-one ratio. I was crazy like you see oh,
George Bush George. Bush's cool.
Now, because look at him and he was giving Michelle Obama candy.
That's the realignment you were seeing right?
Like, because honestly, anybody who studies them enough knows
that there isn't that much, dude, friends.
But it's so yeah, seriously, I was so furious with because
they're putting up some bullshit YouTube ads like maybe a year
ago or so. Unlike you know, George Bush
basically and being like they were shown him by doing
paintings and he's like the most important thing is my veteran
work, you know after My presidency is my veterans and he
painted there was a soldier that was so, sad.
Man, is his face, was, like, fucked up from like a bomb or
missile or something. Like his face is like melted
basically, right? And George Bush like painted him
like his hot face and I'm like, dude, you're the reason that
guy's face is like that Didi, it's your lawyer.
That's good work. You don't think people floating
on air mattresses flooded neighborhood.
Yeah. Now, this is no, he goes, no,
but during that, when the, when the, when the guy said I was
racist during that know, exactly.
Exactly, yeah. But you see the real?
I'm not happy that you saw that happening during covid, right?
And then with, with the Trump locking people in Vans, right?
Like, oh, that was the other way, that's how they got antifa.
That's how they got the antifreeze, which I, we always
thought they were fucking lives. But like they, you saw that
happen because it's like, well, I have to go.
Bye. And because at least by like
they were doing this harm reduction with being arrested
and it's a bunch of people who never get arrested deciding this
and they're saying shit, like oh like will Biden will just lock
me in regular jail under the three-strike rule and then
reflect ruska pick me up in a van and take me on a fucking
Joyride and you know yeah and then drop me off and they and
like you saw that happen and and was like the left just crumbled.
Within totally did, it was built on stilts man, it was built on
popsicle sticks. I'll admit I was a I was a lib
about the van. Shit, I was like, you know, this
is fun originally sure. But yeah, but then I was like
and I still like for sure it was like a threat, you know, and I
was but then I looked into it. I was like, it seems like they
just drove him around for like 45 minutes and then drop them
off, you know. It was like what they're like.
All right, get out of here. This is what is happening on.
The other thing is that they've definitely been doing that
before Trump. You know, it's sort of like a
lot of this stuff, like the Camp's thing and like a lot of
this stuff, like it was already happening but now it's a big
deal that Trump is doing and all the authoritarian stuff that the
Neo lives the Neal. Cons do, it's all actually Trump
and fascism it's like, oh, so when the Neolithic cons do it,
it's not, it's not authoritarian, it's fine.
But, you know, yeah, this is thing is just like they, they
pinned a lot of stuff on him and they use it as an excuse to be
more authoritarian and I we got even more.
We got contact tracing, we got all this patriotic to shit
coming, like we got everything now.
Now now it's the, you know, perfect, excuse for everything
that they can do perfect. So, you know who I, you know, I
have a rule, like, it's funny like it.
Going to sound weird when I said but who I actually have like a
lot of respect for is Globe, Twitter and I know fed post has
some Globe fans but gloves are on Twitter like me.
Learn you look at the mule that like the new Libya.
Well, here's the thing. They're the only people that
100% know what they voted for. Yeah.
There's a great Point.
Look at it. Dude.
They're like, yeah, Syria bombing fuck like they're like.
Yeah, yeah, it's based you do that?
Like yeah, straight up because I was thinking about the other
things I have. Have conviction?
Yeah I think they liberals and I'm talking about regular
liberals, not like you know media liberals.
I'm the regular levels. Think they voted for like black
lives matter they think they voted for, you know, all this
kind of stuff but then like the Globetrotters like no, this is
going exactly as planned. Thank you, it's mad.
Great whenever I bring up like, oh like oh you thought these
leftist were against austerity and against War.
They're actually doing it and then all of a sudden like
somebody will be my mentions like oh that's based and it'll
be like a neocon like Additionally Connor, a
traditional new list and you're right.
Like, I can't even get that mad. I'm like, hey, I'm like shit.
Yeah, you know, at least at least that like, you know, yeah,
you're not framing it in a way where it's like, no actually
bite. We're taking incremental steps
towards you. So see ya.
They know what they voted for and like with all the covid
stuff like the covid thing does we are we can all agree.
I don't even think with any kind of rigging, you could have taken
the election from Trump if covid-19 in there interesting.
Yeah, I don't know. You could have, I mean, it was
definitely like a perfect use of that.
It was like a alley-oop slam dunk, just a perfect covid-19.
Some older older Neo cons, like older conservative people just
like, you know, reaganite people like that.
That I don't know if they necessarily voted Biden, but
they are. They I didn't go out for Trump
because they were like yo I might die from this shit.
Yeah. You know like and and I'm just
wondering I'm wondering if that's like like could they have
stolen the election from Trump? Without covid, without yeah,
with all the time. And even with the Time magazine
shit, that we all read, like I get what that that happened.
And yeah, but I'm not sure cause it was still kind of close.
Yeah, that that is a good question.
I think it was Paramount to it for sure.
And I mean, like, I mean, a lot of people say, like, oh well,
you know, covid is going around the globe.
You think that this was all about American National politics
and it's like, dude, last time I checked populism around the
globe. Got fucked up, right?
And then the globe Lalit made a lot of money, you know, I mean
and like, you know, people each country used it however, you
know, useful to them, depending on their population.
How much unrest there is and how much resistance there is so, you
know, it seems Global to me. I don't think it's about Trump.
I think it's about a broader thing that was going on Bannon
was fucking running around the world like fostering, right,
wing nationalism. So, I mean, yeah, you know, I
don't ya and and ironically yes, like the whole world is obsessed
with American politics. So that Absolutely.
Yeah, that's yeah. Like, I'm sure you guys have, we
have listeners like, that are in countries.
I'm like, why do you even care? You know, like, I'm like, why do
you like it's crazy? Because like will have listeners
that come from like fucking yeah, like, Netherlands and
shit. And like, they'll be like, yeah,
they send this. I'm like, damn, dude.
Like, I don't know. Shit about Netherlands politics.
No, no please why. But what like again, it's
America like it's like there's people in Canada that listen,
that'll be like, yo, I'm just trying to figure out what's
going on in America because Trudeau's a cock and he's gonna
try to fucking coffee. You got.
Yeah. I mean we're the little police
where the world Empire for now until it's China and like, yeah.
It's a good point. Yeah.
It's just like I mean the point. Yeah.
I mean the thing is like what we do has broader impact on other
people but yeah, I don't think covid is about America per se.
But yeah, I mean, we are a big element of what goes on.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, without the,
without the mail in ballots. I don't think.
Wait. So you guys both, you got both
feel like it was Riggs. Oh, Amy.
And I think my thing is, is everything, is every election is
rigged. This was like unprecedented
technology though, and I do think they stepped everything
up. Like, I think the shadow app was
tested. Out against Berea had failed
ever. He wins Iowa.
Not a big deal. You know what I mean?
If it fails then then you get then it's like all this shit.
You know. Look, you got chan Zuckerberg
coming in here fucking Mark Zuckerberg stepping in.
There's no way that they were like we still want a fair one,
but here's all the technology, there's no way you're like that.
So no and there was an unprecedented push regardless of
whatever you believe like there was an unprecedented.
Push from all this shit. Joe Biden.
According to the votes is the most popular president in
American history like come on. Did and nobody wanted them
either in the end. Nobody wanted them, but he got
more votes than anyone in human history.
Like come on, dude. And and what else was the other?
The other thing that was I was, there's one other than oh, yeah.
And this is the fact that if you have, if you question election
integrity at all, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Now, they're all end up and the fucking I love the.
Yeah. In 2016, Russia totally
interfere with our elections supposedly and then in 2020,
leading up to the elections are like it's going to happen again.
Russia is going to interfere with our actions again, and then
buying one. And they're like, actually these
were the most secure lucky they tried.
They tried their ass off to get into our fucking election.
We just magically it was actually the most secure ever,
you know, thank you. Yeah.
Yeah man. Thanks for saying that cuz like
honest men, you know, it's so weird because like, they frame
these things conspiracy but like it's like a normie take one,
everything, you know, I mean it's like it's was more.
Conspiratorial is believing what you guys say like the lives.
Narrative like this more conspiratorial is, like I
remember you saying, all this shit about Russia is going to
get rigged and now it's super secure.
Like we all remember this three years straight of Russia gate.
And now it's like, but like nobody.
I've never seen an election like that.
I mean, like, I don't know if Michaels disagree with me or
whatever, but like, I don't think it was a regular rigging.
I think that shit was rigged out the Wazoo, right?
Right. I think that she's different
going crazy on pressing. I've never seen anything
remotely like that. And I mean, like, I again, this
is why I was telling me Go to vote Trump because I was like,
if they're gonna rig it, which I know they are.
I want it to be very obvious. So even if you lose, I voted for
Trump knowing he's gonna lose because I want it to be
extremely obvious. I mean, my brother State.
Yeah, you're in a blue State doesn't even matter there.
I mean, it's purely symbolic but like people in swing States.
I was telling like, Voltron vote Trump because I was like, yeah,
I want it to be very obvious, and, yo, the night of trump won,
and everybody's mind to sleep thinking that Trump won.
And I mean, yo, Far as the idea of like always going to be a
landslide, we have public with complete mandated whatever that
area of is dead. The Narrative is completely
dead. I don't know anybody who could
see that election and have that thinking in their mind.
Like I mean it wasn't it wasn't that, it wasn't it, there's no
mandate, it was very contentious and I mean, you know, I don't
know. I mean to me, it was very, it
was very clearly right now. Yeah, the mail in ballots, the
lip endemic thing and and then after the elections are all
celebrating and tunnels and Streets singing Hamilton.
And like, who's that? That one fucking guy was like,
oh yeah, this is wrong. That these people are a hockey
game, like you know, all crowded together and the next I was a
yeah Notre Dame football dude. Yeah Notre Dame football video
night of the election. I'm a Notre Dame fan.
So I was watching the game. They had a huge win over Clemson
way better than fucking Joe Biden's win, right?
Just yeah. But, you know, right?
Just beside the point but the, Zelda, the fucking that, that
happened and the lives lives won't even allow themselves to
be happy anymore. That's what I've come to realize
like daylight, like they wanted. Can't even celebrate.
They're like, oh my God, what is going Ryan?
All right, Hannah Indiana, these all these Catholics there in
those. They're they're celebrating this
wind. I'm like we're doing the same
thing and then you get the guys doing the gymnastic.
Oh yeah, but that's a bigger event.
I got it. Does the virus know that right,
right? Right.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I'm sorry like I thought it was a virus.
I thought I yeah, I but till when a virus is woke its exact
and I was like, I remember being so, like, one of my Live
friends, I was like, I was like, either from celebrating now,
like, like 44 Joe Didn't, I was like, you're solving it for Joe
Biden, you know. And they'll what happened?
The covid. And they're like, actually we're
celebrating the end of fascism of course, right?
You know, I was like, no. Did you know so yeah?
Exactly. Yeah.
So it's fucking wild. Yeah.
But I and I just love that, you know, like, like crk.
You're not a white dude, right. And the whole that whole that,
like Trump gained with every minority group lgbtq, it's so
gold. I'm sorry.
Absolutely, man. You got the Mario star.
Dude, you got the, yeah. Have you touched Yeah, yeah,
beat I'm like Anna. You have to acknowledge that
reality. Like even if you even if that
shot, even if that disturbs you as like a lib or whatever you
have to acknowledge, that's true.
And you have to question why? That is like?
Yeah, like my sister. I told her that she was floor.
It's like she couldn't even believe it right?
And I'm like it's true. You know?
Like I don't know what she's like.
Why would that even be a reality?
I'm like, that's for you to figure out.
I know why, you know, but, like, brought that up.
And I'm glad you brought that up because that was brushed over
after the election. It was his sort of been Behold
in a way, but and it's going to keep, it's going to keep
happening. It's like, it's not going to
stop next election sites. Those numbers are keep going to
gone up for the oh yeah, over the GOP did.
Yeah, well, yeah, well the GOP. I hate the GOP.
I don't know. I don't know much.
I don't know. I don't know how they're gonna
do with like diversity or whatever.
I don't really know but like as far as Trump and you know Trump
is useless to me. Now he's dead to me now after
you called the National Guard on his own people, like whatever.
I mean, he was just a tool to me.
He was just a tool to be too slow.
On the wars, whatever War we're about to get into, I'd rather
have that happen five or ten years from now than right now,
you know, just for whatever, whatever usefulness that is but
make sense. But yeah I mean but you know you
know his supporters being like more minority or whatever.
I mean. Yeah I mean all that shit about
like to me like the woke. She was always the widest shit
in the world who was always a super white champagne.
They'll find a couple of minorities here.
There that are like super bougie to push the worksheet here and
there but like it was always Ways really white shit to me.
So it's just like, I always felt that way and like now with the,
you know, you know, I mean, like, I don't know, go to the
hood and Hood somewhere and try to talk like, woah shit to like
Hood people. Like, I don't know, like try
that. Go to the third world Lane
pronouns, thank you. Try that shit there and see what
they tell you like. What the fuck?
They won't know what the fuck you're talking about.
But like, yeah. I mean like that, that election
like yeah, and the Florida like fifteen dollar minimum wage
thing with Trump. And like all these
contradictions was like how can this be how can this be?
And like, you know, Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's I
think it's a big sign that things aren't as simple as they
say it is and not as binary and not people aren't as
propagandized as they want to think.
I mean, that's a big thing is to make you feel like, oh,
everybody feels this way everybody thinks this way, you
know, it's a big part of the body and winning by mandate
thing. And by a landslide is why they
needed. That is to feel like, oh,
anybody who thinks differently is fucking lunatics.
Yes, are and they grow everywhere.
One swab anally swapping. Their kids for covid.
Exactly. Do it is the secondary 74
million. People voted for fascist.
So you know, I mean like she was like I don't want to feed into
the narrative that these things are small and it likes live.
I mean we've disagreed about this.
He thinks that it is like a small thing but like, you know,
they get a lot of power in framing these things.
Things is a marginal but they're not marginal, they're not and,
and You know, a lot of their power comes from saying like,
oh, you're on The Fringe, your psycho, your crazy thinking this
way? It's like, damn, you know, if
more people talk to each other, you find out the more people
think this way than not. So you don't mean like, I don't
know. That's how I feel about it, but
like, what? We'll see over time.
It's only yeah, it's only gonna get ya or parent.
Well, I think was funny about that is how you said.
It's like a binary thing and then even just in a broader
perspective, like, look at every debate that's on Twitter.
Every debate that happens. It's such a binary thing, right?
You can't, you can't be even Like and I won't even say the
center, you can't have just a nuanced take where you believe
one thing but hey but I don't exactly believe that.
But here's the thing. Yep so the left and liberals
mostly I will say conservatives the same way to it's such a.
It's part of our bipartisan thing is we're like, eventually,
like you have to fall in line with one of these things.
Even if you do have some, maybe some Fringe beliefs beyond that,
but it's funny how like everything is a binary thing
except gender, you know, like, oh no, it's like, you don't.
Okay, let's say this, it's a social contract, it's a social
construct, right? Okay.
Yeah, sure. I actually, I actually agree.
So it's a social construct, but like, nothing else.
Can you can you ever like deviate from the other two?
That's amazing. Yeah, telling me that like I
have to have this crazy broad view of like gender.
Something has been hammered into my brain for life that there's
only been two, right? And again, I'm willing to like,
listen to anybody, it's not that.
And I don't even, I don't know shit about gender, I don't know
shit about gender needed. Strong of it take, but then
like, they'll be like, oh, the capital I could be like in the
capital thing was bullshit, dude, it's being overhyped.
Like, what are you there? Are you sure?
Yeah, you're the person that's hammering.
All this non, you know, non-binary.
This all, it's not, every we need to be inclusive, but then
it's like, well, I don't feel included.
Yeah, really not more complicated than that.
It really. And they want to make it so
complicated that but it's really not.
It's really bad. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of
people, man, they were people during on since 2016.
There were like friends of mine that were like, Shifting, the
Trump, and I was scolding them, and I was like, what's wrong
with you? Like, how could you do that?
Don't, you know, he's like, he's gonna bring like, you know, he's
gonna be the precursor to some actual Fashions, whatever I was
saying all this shit and like, there were people that were
like, we were canceling like me and, like, people that I was
friends with that, were, like, Lefty people, whatever, like,
history people, like, we were canceling people, and it's just
like, you know, I mean, it's just, it's just, it's just so
funny in hindsight. It's just, it's just, I mean, I
deeply regret it. I really do regret it but like,
yeah, I mean that's the thing. You wouldn't be where you were,
if you weren't there. I don't think II, don't think.
I think it's tough to like yeah, too.
You like for me, I yeah, I'll say right now like because I'm
afraid to get CR K screen capped eventually.
So like I'll say right now in 2016, I voted for Hillary
Clinton. I did I was a lip as a fucking
live dude. Like I was I need to live to
man, I'm I wasn't looking for. I wasn't super fucking like
invested in politics and I didn't buy any of the rush, it
went after it happened on my gosh, she lost right.
Right, right. Right.
But she's not that good. It should have been Bernie.
That was my take, right? And like, and which I found
funny but like, you know, we all come from bike.
That's why I'm laughing at all. Just circling back as well.
We'll wrap it up soon, but like when you, when you're, when
you're getting screencap, I'll look what he said. 2019, he said
in 2018 is like, dude, I said some fucked-up shit, like last
week. Yeah, yeah, I'm shit.
Last week. Do I should be on for that?
I look, look, look, I mean, it's no secret.
I used to be left aside, tell people all the time and look, I
deserve whatever, whatever scolding or insult, that comes
with that. I totally deserve that.
I own that because I said some fucked-up shit, I said,
right-wingers should be putting camps and executed.
I really said this shit. I really believe this shit.
So look, I mean look, that's why I go.
That's why I take it as hard as I do now because like yeah, I
wish somebody back then I told me I was a fucking morgue,
right? And so, I mean that's what I do
now. And like they take it personally
and they show me that I said this too, but they still say the
same shit, but you're not even coming back with their tail
between their legs saying, like, you know what, man, I think
think you might be onto something and being right about
covid, being right about buying. And because that's going to be
an evergreen tweet, do the Biden harm.
Suction thing, like, looking at your Twitter right now and it's
fucking the pin tweet. Well, I just leave.
Yeah, but just been leaving that cause might do it every day.
It's going to be more and more power.
I'm just leaving it because like, yeah, it's what I like
about, what I like, what will you do with the pin tweets?
Sometimes will be like, here's my predictions that came true,
and then you'll be like, sometimes you'll be like, here's
my predictions for the future and then other times, you be
like, I don't know what the fuck's going to happen, like I
don't have any producer. Yeah, I know, but what do you
predict shit? You're always right.
You know, that's the crazy thing.
But is there is there like I get this to be the last question is
it is there is there a What do you like, where do we go from
here? Because I struggle with that,
too, when I finally get people thinking the way I think.
Where do we go from here man? Like do you know or do you are
we just trying to still change people's minds?
Well the most the most hopeful thing that happened to me was
recently talking to some right wing guys about like getting
some guests on the show whatever.
And just telling me like you know I think there's more in
common than then we naturally think and like how are natural
allies or whatever And like certain segments or whatever and
like, you know, just just telling me that people that
like, I previously would have written off and been like, oh,
you're the enemy like you deserve the worst thing you
should be like killed or whatever like yeah these people
that I used to think that about like now I'm going to talk to
them and like try to find some common ground on because like
you know you guys got rigged out right?
You know if you're if you're a hardcore leftist you got got
ripped out to Bernie or whatever.
Right? You both got shut out.
So let's what, you know, where no one's at the Table now.
So why don't we all regroup and talk about what the fuck we
want? And what the fuck, we agree on
and deprioritize the shit that will never agree on, which is
the cultural stuff. Why do you prioritize that
Andrea prioritize, all the stuff that the economic stuff that we
might agree on. And so, you know, telling these
guys, like I do I'm going to talk to them and like I feel I
feel hopeful in that like, I mean, it's bad.
What's going on and all that? Obviously, it's horrible
obviously but I do feel like things are gonna get worse
people getting it. Greer.
And they're going to realize that all this funneling from the
right and left to the DNC in the GOP, people are just gonna get
more. You know, as much as I rag on
the left. Like there's a lot of leftist
that are like yo fuck this shit and they walk away from it, 3
out of them, it's not just me. So, you know, you know, I feel
hopeful in that down the line that like, you know, there's
going to be something. I think, I mean, the only pill I
have is the realignment pill. At this point.
I feel like I've got to realign it.
They did right? If the the higher-ups realign.
So it's kind of like, Exactly. I think there's going to be a
lot of right wing left wing to sit in thought that basically re
lines around new priorities of issues.
People think these things are static and I don't understand
why. Because, you know, you have a
basic understanding of like a century of American politics.
She changes all the time. Should realize all the time.
But like, yeah. I mean, I'm hopeful that, you
know, will have these conversations and and think and
things will change a little bit and, you know, people will think
about these things a little Only, I've left this all the
time, then hit me up like yo I'm thinking differently now because
what you said or whatever. Like that's good.
Yeah, yes. I mean, you know, I don't know,
I have to I'm not completely Black Hills cynical because if I
was I'd be like some of these other people saying the cynical
shit like, you know, maneuvering for like certain angles that
I've talked to that, you know, I'd be more like that but I
don't feel that way yet. Not yeah, yeah, that's good.
Nah, that's good. Because I was funny because I
can we talk about all this stuff and like whatever it is people
That are moved on beyond the left like one of the critics
their critiques of that is I will then what's the fucking
plan right now? I'm and and right, and I'm not
saying there's a, there's a plan and if you if there is a plan
you should trust the plan, right?
And but but but I think that's coming.
I cuz it's like people are like oh you want to talk to right
Wingers? Don't you know, I do every day I
get paid to do it. Honestly.
Yeah. I'm at my workplace with right
Wingers. Like I don't have a choice.
I have to. So like if you're privileged
enough to never have to speak. Yeah right.
Well we're you never. Yeah.
Right. If you do ever have to and I
live Fucking Bay Area, you know what I'm saying?
Like, it's like live fucking Central so it's like I still end
up working with with right-wing people.
So it's like I might as well fucking try to get on the same
page as them like you know I mean and tell him to fucking
leave this dumb like mr. Potato Head gender bullshit like
to the side because if that's what you're mad about, Buddy,
you work a blue collar job with me like, you know, like it.
Exactly. So I think you're right.
I think we have to realign when the elite real lines.
Yeah. Yeah.
And yeah yeah. Yeah.
The other thing I just feel like it's like, when people ask me
like, oh well what's the plan that what do you Have like
sometimes it feels like that. Shopping cart in the in the
market thing like shopping for ideologies.
Like dude, you're not going to get like a box, you know.
I'm not going to hand you a box of like things to believe.
You got to figure this shit out for yourself.
And this is the thing is like, you know, stop thinking of this
as like, oh well. Which brand do I buy now?
Which brand of my own not stop thinking like that just talk.
Honestly with people try to have real like we're having an honest
conversation like just have honest conversation with.
Yeah and maybe you can break past all these Stupid barriers
that they're putting up that are completely made up.
And if you really told the people honestly, it's it's is
made of shit is made up and you you've inflated it more than it
needed to be and you know, I yeah.
I mean I I really believe that. I think that.
Yeah, I think people just need to have more of these
conversations and and yeah, I think I think something will
break through. I think it has something's got
to give at some point. Yeah, an apolitical people will
become political because they're not going to have less there
have less and less after all this shit that we did.
Exactly. Really like your politics are
going to be right in front of you.
And that's what I like about. Like, a material is thing is
like it's what's in front of you, right?
Yeah. Right now I mean like when I
when I try to read like I guess I hate the word radicalize
because it's so like, you know, I don't know, whatever.
I that's the term. So whenever I see people instead
of, just like throwing all this literature at them that I know
they're not going to fucking read, I just go like, all right,
we work at the same company, let's look at our pay stubs,
right? Okay, let's find out what the
company in charge for our services, Right company.
Rock In your face. Oh yeah, yeah, in your face,
this is the things, you know, everybody knows their workplace,
it's where they spend the bulk of their fucking time, right?
So yeah, I just certain things like that.
It is good to talk to people, but I'm glad because like, I
hate the way that we're all framed is just critics of the
left and it's like, maybe that's what we are.
But I do think that there's ways to because we're never going to
get this shit in our lifetime. I don't think that way that we
want but we have to at least fucking we have to at least get
people's minds right to where the Next Generation can have it.
And if it does happen, it does. Happen.
You know? Yeah that's the last thing I'll
say about is like I just I just don't want.
I just wonder why there's so much resistance to just to
question these things like this so much policing of like UK
question any of this unless you have some Alternatives like well
well you know I mean does that mean this is immune from
criticism? Does that mean like we're so
much effort on that instead of like well how about we just
admit? That something is not working
and let's just admit that and you can't even have a
conversation. Station about are not working.
You can't even have the conversation.
This thing that we're trying isn't working.
So what will work? That conversation doesn't even
happen like whenever they're telling like, well what's your
solution like? Dude, we can't even talk about a
solution because you're not allowed to talk about it.
So, I mean like how about we start with that?
How about we just have, how about?
We just allow that to go on without people fucking freaking
out and calling you a Nazi because you're like, I disagree
with lockdowns, what? Yeah.
I disagree with what the Nazis would have done to us.
Yeah. Yeah, I am a Nazi for that.
Yeah. It's like Jesus Christ.
You're not just Earth or Terry and I'll stay in your fucking
house. Exactly, exactly.
I really appreciate you stopping by man.
Yeah man. Yeah thank you guys because yeah
I remember it's nice to come on individually and be like Yeah.
Well yeah because you guys are different.
Do I know you guys are different and you guys do disagree.
So I'm like, well, we want to get the isolate.
The yeah, that's like the freakin.
Yeah, I listened to it. Like see.
Uh, dude, like I've been, I've not even saying this as a
critique of the FED post. I don't hear him talk about like
gardening that much on the FED post, because that doesn't
really, you know, like it doesn't, it might not come up,
right? But with me like with him and I
was like we I was really getting into it and stuff and I'm like,
well, let's bring him on and talk about that and how we can
feed people, you know, and then slav Game Stops.
It dropped. Right?
In our lap. When it happened, right, right.
Like it just, we didn't even plan.
A on that. But that's that was the way it
was and like you know Slavs kind of like socially conservative, I
was like what's really interesting?
How like maybe this guy's not a fucking demon.
You know, I mean for being socially, conservative and with
you it's like shit. I II.
We asked you to come on a couple weeks ago like like today but
like I was like, fuck, dude. This guy's gettin screencap
everywhere. Like he all year.
I've been seeing like people that I thought were cool like
just fucking shitting all over him and stuff and like yeah it
was like to get you guys. Isolated is really cool man.
Like it's fun, I see that now. I see that now because yeah I
mean like this stuff because I talk a lot and because I talk a
lot on what have five fucking people on the fucking
programming. It's also that's also, yeah, we
kind of have like our own angles that we can't really go fully
into because we have to give space for each other and we know
that we disagree on some courses.
We just let it go. Yeah.
So yeah, guys. Have that you guys have when I
listened to it fed, promise you guys have such a Cadence and it
just bounces back. It's just like a crazy energy.
Think it's so good, man. Yeah, thank you.
That. Yeah, we felt each other out
were like, alright. We know where you see, and I'm
not going to Go into like well I think I mean, we're not going to
do that shit cuz what's the point?
Like I already know, you know, where I'm at, like, let's just
figure out the rest of this shit.
There's more interesting. Like, yeah, now I can call see,
uh, Neal live in Slava neocon. I just can't really say that.
What's the FED post patreon link switch.
Go ahead and say that that post /.
Pat. Pat Round / suppose.
I think got it. Okay.
Yes everybody check that out. We do have a lot of crossover
listeners, so a lot of them already do listen to you guys,
but if you don't listen to Fed posts, if you like us, I would
imagine you. You could at least listen to
them. Get a different perspective.
Still talking about material stuff.
So anybody who doesn't listen to them should already and yeah,
and if you're tuning in to us for the first time can see our
case, I really appreciate it. I hope you stick around.
I'm at Glen Rockne, he's at crypto sigh.
This is at rare candy, pod one on Twitter, this will be E up on
Monday so hopefully nothing crazy happens.
Tomorrow, you guys so that is what it is crk.
Thanks again my appreciation thanks within our our
anniversaries actually lining up with your guys like ours
anniversaries like in a week or two.
So that's that's really nice house.
Honestly, yeah, honestly I just want to say like I appreciate
you guys like Tony guys very refreshing because like I've
been talking to a lot of cynical like people that like I don't
know feel like I feel like they've got like an angle or
whatever in the media scape or whatever.
I was really refreshing. Just talking to people that are
just honest, you know? I mean I really had, we have
fun. We have no ulterior but
it's all I got.