Yeah, from the five to the six, we be in the mix with that rare
candy paint job on the web. I need food for the kids, money
for the rent. Fuck a lockdown baby.
I can't do that shit and I'll never vote 'cause I'm fucking
broke and either way I know the police ain't gonna leave me
alone on a plane by the physical and rock me.
Crypto told me I should be in the Glock with me, so I packed
up my piece and I'm sliding slide 'cause we might get caught
up in a riot. Middle finger trunk, middle
finger biting fucker. Left fucker right as you riding
you let us see it. Those rocking, you know politics
baby. We just talking.
From the birds to the bricks, we be in the mix with the rare
candy paint job on the web. Who you with?
You know, I've been, I've been singing the rare candy theme
song in the shower. That's real.
That's cool. I've been doing like the Halo,
like I'm not going to do it here.
I'm not going to crune on air. But you know, I'm saying like
I've been. I love that.
Don't you dare Crune on here. Don't you fucking dare.
From the five to the six, Yeah, go ahead.
Sorry. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure not. I mean, if you want to keep
going you can, but, well, I. Think this is a good bridge
because Rare Candy has an iconic theme song.
Entourage has an iconic theme song and you don't get that
these days. TV shows have done away with
theme songs. So I I like that.
I appreciate that with your show, Glenn, and thank you for
having me back. I'm so happy that a guy a a
rapper from South Carolina just said we needed a theme song and
he sent it to me. I mean, how lucky did I get
there? I mean, I 0 zero input from me
at all whatsoever and it just landed.
I had nothing to do with it. So that was that was awesome.
But I'm here with two feature feature film directors.
So we're covering Entourage seasons 1 through 4.
I have a feeling that when it's time to do from the five to the
six. And, you know, I have a feeling
that when it's time to do that, I can't get these guys again
because they're going to be fucking mega stars.
And it's they're going to be like, First off, pick me or
Darius. I feel like that's what Laura is
going to say. You don't get both of us, you
know, and they're going to be at can screen, screen again.
No, Yeah. No, Yeah.
Come on, DC. Yeah.
Don't brag here. Yeah.
Also, I just learned DC, you're shooting your next movie in
Greece. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely. This is Scott.
It's happening, but for first of all, Jay is going to make it big
before me, that's for sure. That's for sure.
Second of all, I am so excited to be here and I will always
give you the time of day. Glenn, remember those days when
you didn't respond to my DMS? Those days.
That's never happened. What about it's not going to
happen in the future then because I will never not
responded to you. Are you confusing it with Monkey
Jones who still won't reply to your DM?
Literally everybody online except my close friends fuck
out. Of here I I dude.
No one wants to talk people. Message me before they reply to
you. They're like, is this guy OK?
Is he all right? I'm a little concerned about
some of his posts here. He's more than OK, He's more
than. Well, First off, no, no, but we
haven't had a chance to. What is TS Cam?
What is that? I mean, I I know what it's your
feature film, but I what is I You have you're always 8 plates.
TS can't like there's I don't what it like What is I Obviously
don't spoil your movie or. Anything.
No, no, there's I'm I'm happy to quickly just go over it if you
want. Basically, it's a yeah.
It's my first film. It's a feature film I sent to a
few people. Glen, I'm scared.
I don't think I don't know what kind of movies you watch.
I don't want to. I don't want.
To say that you think you think I haven't seen anything.
So yeah. I mean, I mean, that's true as
well. But at the same time, it's like,
yeah, it's the first film here. Very nice shot here in Montreal,
QC, Canada, about a painter who can't get out of 2006.
What do you what? Do you?
I see you in my movie? How about?
That yeah, I had to ask. Yeah, I'm very selective and I
like, I like to go in tears of viewership.
You weren't coming up. Yeah, I was like, I was like,
hey, can I can I, can I watch your movie?
He's like, yeah, just don't fucking don't you dare show a
thing. But I'm like, dude, I'm not.
Great move. Glenn's asking me about my movie
then cutting me off right when I start talking about awesome.
Who's that? Remind you who's that remind you
of? Yeah.
Anyway, tell me about it, OK? No, no, it's, it's all right.
Yeah. It's a big, big movie, big
movie, huge movie, slow cinema, shot here in Montreal with great
actors I believe. Some of which first timers Jay
didn't like one of them, but that's the point.
Of one guy. Honestly, he's gross every time
he popped up. He's one of my best friends, but
he's disgusting on the film. He's so gross.
Like I want to puke the whole way through.
Very, very like the essence of the loser who can't accept any
responsibility and just keeps going and being like, yo, the
world's again. I, I, I think it works perfectly
fine. Anyways, the movie's the movie.
He's fantastic. Yeah, Glenn, you're going to,
you're going to fucking, you're going to blow your socks off,
bro. You love.
It would love to see it, would be honored to watch it.
Honestly, DC's got some beautiful shots in the movie.
He's got a very interesting editing style.
You know, DC is one of the young up and coming film makers that I
do genuinely respect and I'm excited about what he's going to
be creating in the future. That's so.
You want it, you like you because you would reflexively we
want to like kick his ass a little bit, but I'm like, I
know, I know he's fucking good. That's the thing.
I haven't seen anything, but I know he is because he he
wouldn't bullshit. He wouldn't be the guy that he
is if he didn't turn turn out good shit, because I mean well,
I hope so. I hope, because if I hate it, Oh
my God. Well.
That's that's the thing as well. And this is very pretentious and
let's let's we can get off this and get to the actual
masterpiece entourage. But really, I think if you feel
strongly, I'm happy whether it's discussed, whether it's born
that that's that's really what I want.
I I would hate to Oh yeah. All right.
Yeah. But that that that is can grinds
my gears, Peter. Solid effort.
Bro it was a solid effort. Bro, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm excited to see what you do next.
That's yeah. I hate that.
Yeah. Keep grinding bro, but.
No, no, no, it's it's really good.
It's really good. Jay's film as well.
Let's, let's we, we can get let's get to it later.
It's a mid role. What's?
Yeah, just real fast. What's the plan?
What's the plan of release? Is there a plan of release for?
It yeah, basically it's just going to be like sending out, I
sent out to a bunch of festivals.
I have some connections in the industry now and that doesn't
mean anything, but we'll see. I got a few good responses so
far from like programmers and everything.
So I'm, I'm very excited about that.
If none of that pans out still, I'm just going to do a few
screenings here and there and move on to the next one.
You know, I don't, I'm not going to wait for this to blow up
until I do my next movie. So yeah.
There you go. Nice.
And and then you guys, last time Low Res was on, which wasn't too
terribly long ago, we were talking about Mass State
Lottery. He's being careful in the way he
releases it, and rightfully so, because I have seen that movie
and I loved it. So you guys should be on the
lookout for that. Yeah.
Shout out. Excellent film.
So let's talk about something because this was funny how this
came around a little little behind the scenes, a little
behind the scenes. I reached out to DC and I'm
like, hey, you did tell me the Entourage your favorite show.
I had a little time and I was like, I'll finally watch it
because I completely missed it when it came out and I watched
it and I'm like, hey, do you want to, you know, if I finish
this, you want to come on and all of a sudden I'm in a group
text. I'm in a, I'm in a group, group
chat. But I know the guy who's in it
and he's like, hey, we're all going to kind of do this.
And I'm excited. I'm excited for it because I
have been having a blast watching Entourage and I still
haven't finished it yet because I want to.
I kind of like the whole I've you guys have seen it.
I haven't all the way, but I've watched season 1 through 4.
I can't get enough of it. I think it's I'm pretty shocked.
I'm pretty shocked how much I was ready to hate it, to be
honest. I was like, oh, this is going to
suck. No, it doesn't.
It's it's wonderful, but I'll kick it off to you, DC.
What? Why is this like just the
masterpiece to you? Well, I, I, I don't know if I
would say necessarily it's a masterpiece that way.
Just nothing else makes me feel like that show, you know, it's
the ultimate parasocial. Because like, you know, when
people say, Oh, I listen to podcasts to, to hang out with my
friends because I don't really have friends.
They, you know, they talk about comedians or, or people like
that and they're not, that's not so interesting of a life.
You're just hating on shit. You're just like, oh, what if
this was this, you know, and, and I have nothing against it,
but Entourage is literally the most crazy lifestyle that you
get to be put into as that like 5th friend.
And it's it's such a great experience.
And of course it's a relic of its time.
You know, we have all the the peak American culture and then
the 2000s right there with all the music, with all the shows,
with all the like, it's still old school Hollywood.
They're still producers and stuff like that that aren't just
German guys on freaking Zoom, you know, like that's the that
that sort of stuff is just it's fantastic.
Of course, I love everything about it as well, like the
aesthetic style as well. It's the sense of I want to put
some music in. It's going to be expensive as
shit, but we're going to end the episode with The Rolling Stones.
That sort of stuff I like as well.
Like it's it's it's crazy the the music budget on this film on
this series, but I I treat it as a film.
It's like my return Twin Peaks. It's it's just terrific.
So for all these reasons, man, what it's a great show.
It's just a good time. I can put it on an episode
anytime and just have a fun time with my buddies Vince, E Drama
and Turtle and sometimes Dom. Sometimes Dom is great, but they
but they definitely I was about done with him by the time they
cast him off, I was like, OK, that's a good thing.
It does is nothing. They know what to throw away is
what I like about that show Every anytime you're like, OK,
I'm about done with this guy. He's gone and it's like it's as
though, as I told Doug Ellen, it's a pair of social things.
I was like, hey, Doug, I'm done, you know, and then and then it's
it's out of there. But then they keep, you know,
the friend group together at least through these first Four
Seasons. They keep the friend group
together. And it's just it's just so good.
Low risk. Hey, what about you?
Your history with the Did you watch it live?
I did watch it live. I was, I was not like a
religious, I have to tune in every Sunday night or whenever
they they put it on. But it was such a thing because
it's Mark Wahlberg's baby. And obviously I'm from Boston.
So it's it, it was always this like thing in the background of
like, Entourage is what cool people watch.
Entourage is what you want your life to be.
And going back to it for the first time in about 15 years,
it's everything that, you know, DC just said.
It's really opening a time capsule from 2004 and getting a
fresh whiff of that. And I didn't realize how ahead
of the curve the show was in satirizing aspects of Hollywood.
Like there's, there are jokes here in seasons 123 that predate
Tropic Thunder, but I think Tropic Thunder kind of stole the
glimmer of and becomes known for.
And it's like, wow, they nailed it first.
And it's here, it's present in this.
And I, I think it is like a very underrated series that doesn't
get its due nowadays because of the rejection of, of bro
culture, the rejection of anything that could be marketed
towards younger men. You know, I think if you were to
get Entourage in, in this last period of time, you know, 1/5 of
the show as it exists now is probably making it in.
And I think we're probably due for a revival season.
I think the the conditions are starting to line up socially
where we could get a revival season of Entourage soon.
Well, the I mean, to me, it's Sex and the City for guys.
My wife has Sex in the City on. I've seen a bunch of isolated
episodes, but I'm like the magic for me is not there.
You know, it's like I, but she's just locked in because that's
what you do with your girlfriends.
You know, whatever they do, whatever.
Which by the way, I also at the same time I rewatched season 1,
which was yesterday. I too tuned into and Just Like
That season 3 episode one just out of the blue and I was like,
what's going on on this series at this point?
And Cynthia Nixon is just now she's herself from real life
Rosie. Doesn't she fuck Rosie
O'Donnell? It opens with her and Rosie
fucking. There's a beautiful scissoring
scene in the season premiere and the look of the show is so eerie
and plastic. And I remember watching parts of
Sex and the city because it was like my go to show as a kid
where I was like, oh, maybe there's going to be something
spicy on here. And I shut the door to my
bedroom, which I I never did or probably wasn't allowed to do at
10:00. I would hope, you know, maybe
you see something good. Never ever.
But you know, tuning into it, it's got the look of a Netflix
show, but they do this thing that reminds me of Greg
Turkington's movies on, on cinema at the cinema where it's
like you have the actors and then you have the green screen
background that looks so artificial.
And I, I realize what they're doing with this show because
they do shoot in New York all the time.
They're going to these locations that like the Lincoln Center
Ballet or a Chinese restaurant, and they'll shoot the location
and the extras, and then they'll shoot the name actors separately
in a studio and then plop like them in chairs to make it look
like that. And it's got this weird
artificial vibe. I would hate to see that happen
with Entourage if they go back to Hollywood and you know, but
expect it if it does happen. Yeah, I I also man, I think what
I love about Entourage is the time capsule element of it so
much and just I wouldn't having it be current, like I don't know
if I would be able to escape this.
This was full on escapism for me was just watching this.
And because it's not a life I lived.
I mean, I was like the fucking great value Walmart version of
like going to clubs like with people and not not an Aquaman or
anything. I was like, oh, that guy toured
with the dilated people's once like whoa, like an underground
rapper. It was like that kind of level,
but you still just the the transparency of a friend group
where you're like that guy's blame never gets laid pretends
that he does that guy. Everybody knows everything about
each other and it's fine. Whereas like women have to hide
all these things from each other, have to do all.
It's just it's completely a male show.
It might be it's close to the most male show out there.
I mean, it's tough like in terms of male relations, which I sadly
I don't have any more. That's the sad part is like is
is realizing I'm like, man, all my friends are fucking losers
now, you know, including me, probably.
They probably think that about me, but it's just like, that's a
magical show, man. It's a it's a it's it's magical.
So DC, you were like a kid when this came out.
That's what I was laughing about.
Old. Diapers.
I was, I, I was, I was 3 when I came out.
But but I saw, I saw the whole thing later.
Yeah, there's. A baby pointing at Billy Walsh
on the screen. It just the first word.
First word is Queens Blvd. By the way, DC, doesn't Billy
Walsh look exactly like our friend Paige?
No. You don't think so?
Are you out of your mind? I'm.
Crazy. I'm so sorry.
We Paige, a guy named Paige. A guy named Paige Paige Garcia,
and he's not a woman or Hispanic.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's no, he's, he's cool
man. I used to, we, I used to have
we, we got off on the wrong foot, I think.
And I really. No, not you in some.
No, no, no, no. Get out of here I.
Don't, don't put that on the Internet.
I'm very friendly. But that's the thing.
It's like he was, he's actually a great guy, Very, very cool.
So I, I jive with Jay's appreciation of Paige shut up
page. However, I don't think he, I
don't think he's got the Billy Billy Walsh vibe, you know,
saying I. Didn't say vibe.
I said the look. I said he looks exactly like
Billy Walsh. That's not true though.
It is true. It's absolutely.
I need you. Spent more time with him than I
did, so maybe. Maybe you know a different
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Well, I I was laughing though, because I was ready in our chat.
I was, I was ready to just be like, Oh my God, DC is totally
Billy Walsh. And then I checked the chat and
he changed his fucking. Name to Billy Walsh.
I wish, man. It's not going to happen, but
you know. No, it's you.
It's 1000% you. Like I said, we have to scale
it. We scale it, right?
We scale these things like this is like maybe one day, who know,
you're young. I mean, you could be absolutely.
He won Sundance at 24. I don't know.
The clock's ticking. That's it.
You got to adjust for inflation now fucking 28.
All right, you know, it's it's it's so anyways, I I and then I
look and I'm like, I really feel like E I'm going to drop a bomb
and then my fucking name is changed to E in the chat And I
was like, that's that's fucking me.
I was like, and it's it's crazy go because it's it's accurate
and there's a lot of literally me stuff.
But Billy Walsh is funny. I mean, he's obviously not part
of the main friend group, but he's he's this director who and
this is not DCI. Don't believe DC thinks his shit
doesn't stink. But the way he talks about
movies where he'll just be like, yeah, I saw that.
I've seen that movie like 20 times.
Like, yeah, it's one of my favorite movies.
It fucking sucks. Like, that's like the way DC
talks about things like is, is this like I've consumed every
aspect of that thing and I hate it.
You know, I like the the I love that I was just I was smiling at
the whole time and just his like bleeding heart for the craft.
But it's kind of this like hamster wheel that, you know,
maybe doesn't allow you to actually just put a damn thing
out. And I'm not saying you do that.
I just know that I could easily see you doing that, though.
That's what I love. I love about it.
So tell me about Billy. Billy, man, the first time you
saw him, you were just like, I mean, obviously you were three
years old when he saw it. No, no, I didn't actually watch
Entourage at that time. I won.
The remote, yeah. No, no, I watched it much later
actually. I saw Korean entourage before
entourage. Probably.
Yo, I just learned that was a thing right now right now, and I
was. It sucks.
It really sucks. The first scene is the guys.
It's four guys that look like women because it's like very K
pop vibes. I love Korea.
I'm the number one Korea guy. Don't even.
I'm the number one Korea guy. I'm the 1.5 then, because I
really, really, really like Korea, but The thing is, this
show is so certified, okay, The first scene is all the guys, all
four guys naked, 100% naked in a spa basically, and there's the
Japanese hentai blur on their private parts and they're just
like joking around and splashing water around.
That's the first scene of Entourage Korea, so.
Their culture won't. It would never be conducive with
anything that you would find on Entourage.
That's the problem, yeah. Yeah, well, I had no idea.
I'm probably not going to check it out, but.
But if you want just for the few first few seconds, it's really
crazy like, but it it is it does have the same logo and it says
based on the show by Doug Ellen, etcetera.
Anyways, Entourage proper. I love the show.
Yeah, it's great. Billy Walsh, though, I don't
know, at the first, the first time you actually meet him,
you're like, OK, it's going to be this like, but the the his
decline, his absolute like going from he's the shit to we
actually see the movie and it's one of the worst pieces of
pretentious doctors of all time. It's so good, man.
It's so I I love everything about it.
And as well the the slow reveal that he's actually from money
and that his dad gave him like a fucking Rolex as a graduation
game. So good, so good, man.
Yeah, and he's like, I mean, we're the block boys, you know,
Queen. Yeah.
I love, I love that whole thing. And then the also when they
finally reconnect with him and he's just directing pornography,
that really kills me that that part, that part kill and he's
he's just like, it is way to get total classic.
Like, well, if I can't make my art, I'll just make the ultimate
exploitative trash. Like, you know, we all know that
that that bleeding heart kind of every every coin flip thing that
doesn't go my way is just I'll, I'll just give it all up and
until a script comes by that I'll pretend I hate and then
I'll do it and make it about Sofia Vergara like.
Yeah, every director I've met has been Billy Walsh.
I knew the guy who is that pretentious and then wound up
going to porn and using the name Orson Swells for his work.
And especially in New York, you run into a lot of the trust fund
kids who are like. Very highly attuned to like they
they'll know you know, they'll know the encyclopedia on film
back and forth, and they'll think it's going into their work
and it's not. And you get exactly what you
wind up with here. So extremely familiar character.
DC is nothing like Billy Walsh in that regard.
No, no, I just all right guys, Will.
You protecting my ego here. You're no, you're.
Not it's just it's just really funny because I'm, I'm also not
like E, but I am, but I conduct their, I view certain things
that way. You know what I mean?
Like I'm not, I'm not 5 foot fucking 4:00 and also.
You know, working as Burrows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
And it's. True, I've never actually, I'm
not actually, I've worked a lot of that tier of work, never a
pizza guy, but it just the idea of that E is just like he's
hanging out with people that party really hard, but not
partying hard. That's me like absolutely caught
bleeding heart. Whatever relationship he's in is
like he's super invested in that and thinks that any move that he
makes is going to ruin it, except the one he actually
makes, which does ruin it. Gosh.
And just the kind of he wants to be one-on-one with Vinny all the
time, kind of. And I'm a one-on-one type
person. It just that's exactly that type
of the person. But I want to talk about the
genesis of the show because I didn't know anything about the
genesis of it. Because you keep seeing Mark
Wahlberg's name all over it and you realize, well, Adrian
Grenier is not Mark Wahlberg. Like it's just, it couldn't be
more not him. And you realize the show could
not have worked if it was a Mark Wahlberg type.
I think you get sick of that quick if it's a, you know, open
baseball jersey Boston guy, if he dresses like turtle
basically, you know, and it but it's Mark Wahlberg and it's like
breaking stuff constantly. You know, then he is just this
constant like ATM machine. But he knows that he's get he's
basically lighting money on fire.
However, he's giving money and all of these perks going out of
his way to buy turtles shoes from a Japanese guy or
something. You're doing all of these things
knowing damn well he's getting none of it in return, but also
the fact is everybody else he meets outside of that friend
group is worse because they're not they're they have no vested
interest in him. It's just it.
So I I love that full transparency.
Let whereas Mark Wahlberg be like, fuck you.
You don't get any fucking money from me.
You know it just. It wouldn't work as long Vinny
Chase feels more pussy posse coded to me like a DiCaprio,
Tobey Maguire, Lucas Haas type and E was in that as a kid and
that's how I believe how he met Mark Wahlberg is through
basketball batteries. Isn't he in The Sandlot?
Kevin Connolly. He could be, it's been a while
since I've seen The Sandlot. Yeah, I can't remember.
No, yeah, that's, but they do that a lot on the show and I
love it very much 'cause they don't dwell on it.
But every time there's a major celebrity on there, like not a
guest star, but someone like Mark Wahlberg or Kanye, there's
like the entourage of that person as well.
So when they meet Mark Wahlberg in the hallway, he has his own
Boston entourage. It's just, it's, it's, it's so
beautiful, man. It's very, it sounds sarcastic,
but it's so artistic. This show, the, the really he,
he, I don't know if it's Doug or whoever else is working on the
show, but there is a, a sense of we're going to make this rock.
You know, it doesn't matter if the small detail is going to be
missed by the drunk Bros trying to watch this on, you know,
fucking HBO in 2007. We want to make this as
precisely hell yeah as a show as we can.
So I, I, I, I love that stuff, but I don't.
Enough about Mark Wahlberg. Let's talk about the real deal
here, Vinny Chase. What do you think about Vinny
Chase? Because so many opinions online
are wrong about Vinny Chase. He's I want to keep.
He's fucking excellent and 1st off, like I was, I did a deep
dive on Adrian Grenier because I remember last time I was on a
place we watched him on like Jordan Peterson.
Oh, yeah, I bring it to everybody I know.
Every single person I've shown this clip to.
Yeah. And it's weird because, you
know, they did the, the an Entourage podcast and I will
talk about him on the show, but Adrian Grenier, is he, they,
they do this like, I think it's called victory or something
that's like Entourage, Doug Ellen and Kevin Connolly and
then Kevin Dillon's on part of it too.
But they couldn't get Adrian Grenier to show up like for the
longest time, which is pretty funny, pretty poetic actually.
And but they couldn't get him to, to show up for it.
And he finally does. And he does like the, I just
wasn't in the headspace man. And like he talks about like, I
got to do Nofap. I got to do all this stuff to
get back in. And, and they're making fun of
that. Not in a, not in a hateful way
either. They're just like making fun.
And he's just like and like they're they're going, Hey,
Doug, I told you not to make fun of fucking Adrian Zdelf happened
like all the all and they're and they're really like careful with
it. And I was like, turn this off.
I don't want I want Vinny Chase. I want VHS that smiles at
everything that that is just like a this bimbo guy.
But he's not. I don't think he's that stupid
either. Like the idea that he's like
stupid. I don't I think he fully
understands everything that's happening.
And I love the idea that he has, you know, his massive hit.
He's constantly passing on what Matterhorn or what everybody has
his big hit in Aquaman and immediately buys his passion
project stuff. I would do, you know, but I'm
also not. I know I'm not Vinny Chase.
I, I don't. Stuff doesn't just wash off me
the way it washes off him. I mean, life ending mistakes are
just another day for him. That's what's sick.
That's what it's almost a Tommy Shelby like character where you
like he you not walk until the end there, but you basically
know he's going to get get away with it until later on in the
show. No, no matter if he's going
bankrupt, if there's an issue or you know, friendships break, it
doesn't matter because he's going to be Vinny Chase tomorrow
as well. The thing is about Grenier
though, I, you know, respect to him obviously for his work and
everything, but he is the most Hollywood type guy of all time
'cause after the end of the show he didn't do this bro, cool
stuff, Joe Rogan type stuff. He was more of the
environmentalist guys. We got to save the avocado
plants on the in the deep sea in fucking Tunisia.
That that's the type of stuff he was doing that didn't work
anymore. And now he's in the manosphere
sort of like, you know, I'm, I'm doing meditation, stoicism and
you know, stuff like that. So.
What I know about him is he's been very, he's been very vague
about his ethnic heritage where he claims to be Hispanic, but he
doesn't really go into detail about that.
He won't name a specific Hispanic ethnicity.
I think he also identifies as Native American.
So he's all, you know, it all tracks for him.
I think he's the perfect man to be cast as Vinnie Chase.
They. Had to push for him too because
I think a lot because you know this you see all the celebrity
Camryos and entourage and I'm not saying this started from
nothing, but it was I from I what I gather it was not meant
to be a hit HBO show. HB it was not the 6:00 PM or
9:00 PM if you're on the East Coast thing that plays for an
hour. I mean it's half hour episode.
This was that show. That slot of HBO is really
interchangeable and shit does not last long there.
So they really, I don't think they were guaranteed much.
And I think a lot of the studios wanted a kind of over the top
Mark Wahlberg type character, especially because that's the
person who's probably trying to make this show something, the
person who's getting the favors for people to show up in the
show, I would imagine. Because what have they what what
had any of these guys done before?
What was Doug? I mean, what was Doug Ellen
before I? Looked, I know.
Yeah. There's a short film about a
waiter who wants to go to Hollywood or something like
that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the guy, the guy's really, I fucking forget the.
Who's the guy in Pretty in Pink? You know the loser guy, Andrew.
MCCARRAN, OH. No, no, no, John Cryer.
John Cryer. That's right.
So he plays, he did 1 short film and then he went on to do
Entourage. So that's that's the type of
nonsensical filmography. Yeah, the the concept of
Entourage, I believe, because I was watching a lot of Mark
Wahlberg interviews, was they were trying to pitch him on
doing a reality series with his friend group.
And I don't know if you guys jumped into Wahlburgers at all.
Like I jumped into Wahlburgers. OK, the first two episodes you
get like a clear, all right, here's the real Johnny drama.
Here's 8. You know, there's been a lot of
men. I don't know why, but there's a
lot, a lot of these men out there that are claiming I'm the
basis of Turtle. And on Wahlburgers, there's an
obese, short, kind of obnoxious guy named Nacho who is like,
yeah, I'm Turtle. But then you, you see a separate
interview around the time of Entourage, the movie with Mark
Wahlberg, where he's talking about, oh, my friend Donkey.
I have this friend named Donkey who's the basis of Turtle.
OK. And then just out of nowhere, I
don't know where this came from. I I watch a lot of Vanderpump
Rules and one of the cast members on there dates a
Hollywood producer named Randall Emmett who just produces total
shit. All these like Bruce Willis,
vacant head roles that you've seen in the last five years.
He's responsible for those, but he's friends with Martin
Scorsese. OK.
He claims he's the basis of Turtle, which is probably the
most bullshit I would have to imagine.
Right. I don't know why they want to be
this guy so bad. Yeah, that, that's the worst
person to be serious, I, I don't think anybody relates to being
Turtle because he's got no drive.
And the only thing that pushes him to actually do something
later on is everybody's making fun of him for being a fucking
loser. So he's like, I got to do
something. I invest in this real estate
deal or whatever, you know, like.
He and Saigon don't forget about Saigon.
What we have about Saigon as well, that's just something that
he was like, but it's Saigon me, and that's all he was doing.
He didn't. Do it.
I listened to Saigon. I'd like I had no joke kid like
and I hadn't watched Entourage. I like this because he was real
and people, I think a lot of people don't think he's like a
real. That was me until today, and
when you actually posted the song, I didn't know it was a
real rap and. It's totally rapid around, like
I lyrically slice you with my lyrical samurai sword, you know,
like the shit in like 2007. That was so cool I guess, and
it, it sounds actually terrible now, but at the time I was like,
no fucking way, this is I, I, I don't know if it's a chicken or
the egg thing. Did Saigon come from Entourage
and then start putting music out on rap blogs?
Maybe. Did, did, did they say this is
an underground rap? Because he's from New York?
So I was like, this isn't even an LA rapper, this is a New York
rapper. So I thought it was interesting.
Lily Shushu, you know that movie all about Lily Shushu that was
not a real band. And then the singer from that
movie started the band because the songs are so good, Mark.
Wahlberg should have done Steel Dragon for real dude talking.
From there's still time. Rockstar.
Yeah, it's true. It's not it's.
That's true. It's plenty of time.
But yeah, that was Turtle is interesting because yeah, you
don't want to be him. Like when the musical chairs
stop and there's chairs with each entourage characters, maybe
you do not want to sit in the fucking.
You'd rather not have a seat. No, the entire first season.
You want to have a carrot friend though?
You want to. I think you want to have a
turtle in your friend group though.
The entire first season Turtle is very one-dimensional where
he's just Vinny's Dick sucker and he like all of his lines are
just yeah, but and he backs up why Vinny is right in his like
stupidity and why he's doubling down on that.
He's just like the worst kind of enabler.
I did want to ask if you guys felt like Entourage took a
little while to develop its real character, because that's
something I feel like I noticed when I went back.
Here is season 1. I don't want to say you can
write it off because there's a lot of great moments and
character aspects to that first season, but it doesn't really
start to feel like itself until Season 2.
Well, the way I view it is, and I can tell they didn't have a
lot of time to like keep this for the studios weren't going to
give them that much time. So I think they went with very
simple stuff, right? This guy does this, this guy
does this, this guy does this. And then we just do jokes and
jokes and jokes within that, within those parameters.
It's kind of like like sports teams like this when a manager
has one year left or a guy that assembles A-Team together, they
don't think about four years from now.
And so they don't they'll get a bunch of has been guys in there,
they'll do all this stuff and then you're like, well, our team
sucks and I got fired, You know, whereas if you know you have
four years, you're going to like, no, no, no, no, no, let's
just plant the seeds. Let's get this going.
You can tell they didn't know that.
And I think towards the end of season 1, they realize, OK, I
think we have something here. I think this is resonating with
people. There's catch phrase.
I think they started they did a lot with the well, is it a
meeting or is it a discussion? No, a discussion means it's that
a lot of those, like a lot of those, that stuff really
resonates with people. That was the type of humor that
was really popular around that time.
And they really lean on that in the first season and it kind of
just, they sprinkle it back in later, but you can tell they
just kind of were like, we need to float, We need to like tread
water with this. We need one more season for this
to work. And I say I, I think the end of
season 1's pretty good, but it, it comes, it's kind of like
background noise for the first like 5 episodes, 5 or 6
episodes. I think for the most part where
you just have it on, you're like, that's kind of funny.
And then you and then by like Season 2, by the time all the
Aquaman stuff starts, I'm like locked in I think.
It becomes much more of a film nerd show than be like the first
season is very much all the movies as this device to move
everything along. But season 2 is actually this
producer that reference something actually happened,
Robert Evans, etcetera, etcetera.
And by the end it just becomes so crazy that they're doing
parodies of Werner Herzog. That's not something they would
have done in the first season at all.
What's the? What's the Werner Herzog?
Parody. Sorry, that's that's too far
ahead. I'm sorry.
No, no, I don't care. I thought I missed it.
I was like, oh man. No no, no, but they do did you?
I did not rewatch anything for this show and I love rare candy.
That's not a that had no relation but the.
It's true but. It was not necessary to say
that's OK. No, but for real this time
anyways. What I what I mean is though
that they even do a Harvey Weinstein parody, which is so.
So you've seen him in season 4 as well or not?
Yet I watched all of Season 4. Yes, I'm up to I'm up to
Medellin tanking at Cannes. OK.
Right, right. So exactly what?
What? Crazy.
Like Bourdain and Argento's like starting of the Me Too movement
in like 2017 or something that is way later to make fun of
Harvey Weinstein at that time is is one of those elements you
were talking about that so. What?
What is the Weinstein? See, I thought the syllabus was
one through 3, so I haven't. I delved I think accidentally
into four because I was just like, this is so good.
That was the original. So let's keep we can keep it for
later, but there's. A I won't I won't let you guys
know who changed up the syllabus at like, you know, possibly the
last second not. Me.
Yeah, correct. I won't.
I just won't tell you guys who did it.
It's correct. It was in DC, but I won't tell
you guys who did it of course, but the, you know, anyways, I
did watch it though. I did watch it cuz season 3 is
20 episodes. So I was Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I was like, wait, I thought I
was done with season 3. Thank God we pushed it back
because I was like, oh, I only have two episodes left and I'll
do that right before we watch. I was like no, no, no.
I have 9 episodes left of season 3.
That's right. I think season 3 is no joke
Perfect in my opinion I think. I agree, I think it's the best
one by. Wow, like I was like this is
awesome. OK, let's let's go.
Let's go through them though, if if you want.
But Harvey Weinstein real quick, I don't want to, we'll talk in
about it later. But basically they have this
character, this disgusting pig who looks just like Harvey
Weinstein called Harvey Weinblatt on on the show and
what he does and this these are things that we as the normies
learned way later. He's that person.
So he helped all these movies get made.
He's the guy you want to impress.
But as soon as you don't do something he wants, he starts
screaming and screeching and he's very nice.
But that is, that is I'm I'm telling you, these are all
things we learned later, but they knew.
I though like because they make him like a brawler.
That's what I was wondering about Harvey Weinstein.
I could. Never.
Oh, he's big. He's a big guy.
He's doing the the fake Bill Cosby I'm disabled for court
thing. But before he was, he was a big
guy. He's like the Kingpin from
Spider Man. Yes, crazy.
Yes, yeah, because I that I didn't get, I was like, wait,
this guy's like fighting and he's wearing like the weird like
John Candy like hat. Yeah.
Wilson Fisk, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's.
Nuts like I but yeah, because you you clearly can, but I'm
glad I didn't watch this back in in whenever it came out because
I wouldn't have got any of those references by the way I didn't
know what any of this stuff. I didn't know what Harvey
Weinstein was back then. I had no clue I would have not
It's still funny on a on like this.
The the humor itself is funny, but like there's there's just
another layer that I wouldn't have got back then that that
would have probably, I probably would have eventually petered
out of the show and got kind of tired of the.
Friend. Yeah.
I mean, Weinstein's reputation around this time was that he was
difficult to be around and he would fuck a list women, but
consensually, you know, obviously the courts would look
at that a little differently in 2018 or 2019.
Now he's a free man, I think, right?
Or, you know, he's, he's back in prison, isn't he?
Because Candace Owens talked to him.
Yeah, because it was in prison, right?
Didn't she talked to him? Like, yeah, I.
Could have sworn that they were like, we fucked up.
Just like Cosby, we fucked up, Yeah.
That was pretty sneaky of her. So I didn't watch it.
Yeah, but yeah, that so that OK, but let's yeah, let's wind back
season 1. We got there's not much what's
wine? What's wine black?
And but there's there's season 1 is like they're laying the
groundwork, but you can tell they're not sure that they have
10 fucking years or whatever to tell the story of Entourage, but
they're they're kind of just trying to make sure Johnny
Drama, you know, Johnny Drama's a loser has been make sure you
know that. And I say I drama's the best in
my. Opinion I was getting the vibe
they were setting him up as a closet gay because there were
all these What are you, a fairy? And then?
The muscle girl that the muscle girl that he's dating, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And with all the trans stuff
they've incorporated in later, you think Kevin Dillon would
have walked into that, right? I wanna hear you guys opinion on
this. I used to think I used to be
team drama. I was like, yo, I wanna get him
to the success he deserves this time.
And I watch Entourage all the time.
By the way, it's not I didn't rewatch any specific season, but
this is like a constant stream of like, if I don't know what to
watch and I don't want to just like fry my brain, either I'll
watch Nothing or Entourage or Parts unknown.
That's like my two shows I always go back to.
But then this, this show here I despise in the last few months.
I hate Johnny Drama so much it's unreal.
I I can't stand him. Every time he opens his mouth, I
can't stand him. I don't know what happened.
I used to be Team I. Don't know what?
I don't know. I don't know what happened.
That's kind of new. That's kind of new.
That's kind of new with Sopranos.
I didn't like. I watched Sopranos again and I
hate Paulie now. Oh yeah.
And as a kid when I watched the Browns, he was the funniest
fucking guy in the world. But but I could see that.
I mean, if you I cuz this is my first go round and I think, I
actually think he's really endearing.
And I'm like, I was like, I'd be like, come here, give me a hug,
dude. Like I got you, man.
You guys are being mean to you, man.
Yeah. I love Kevin Dillon can do no
wrong from the BLOB, the Chuck Russell BLOB from 1988 where
he's got a Jerry Crowell mullet to these Mel Gibson direct to
Red Box movies he's done. We're helping Reagan.
Reagan's another one. There you go.
But what is it? What is it that annoys you
about? Is it like his onenoteness?
Is the character, is it his attitude or what?
It's it's the we got to look. At it like this.
Every every time he starts speaking, it's like what?
You got to look at it like this. He.
There's he sounds like that. I know I'm, I'm a terrible, I'm
a terrible impressionist, but but my point is that every time,
like every reaction is just going back to the same thing.
And it was great. You know, it's it's it's the but
I guess, yeah, the onenoteness. Just something I I hate him now.
I hate Johnny drama. Wow, that's that.
That one hurts my feel. I feel like I'm Johnny.
I feel like I'm Johnny right now.
And you said? That no, no, no.
Hans is Johnny. We should get Hans.
No, I mean Hods is the real Lloyd.
You know, I would. I would say that he's Lloyd.
He and I are Ari and Lloyd. Yeah, you're totally, you're a
you're Ari. I could see that for sure.
But yeah, I, I will say the thing that I think Ari kind of
carries the show season one too, Like that, that that that's fair
to say where you're just like, because I, I remember thinking
going into it, I knew I didn't know Jeremy Piven from anything,
but he was always around because that show was popular and you'd
see him everywhere. And I'm like, that guy just
seems really fucking annoying. Like when I looked at him and
then you the show, he's hysterical learning that he did
wasn't improving any of it. I thought was interesting.
Like that's all he's like, no, I'm, I said everything on the
script. That was, that's crazy to me
because like you would think there's at least some pockets
to, to drop a, you know, another line, another slur, whatever in
there. But yeah, I love, I love Ari and
his and his wife's man I love, I think it's at the end of season
1 or the end of season 2 when they're sitting in bed and his
wife's reading consider the Lobster by David Foster Wallace.
And he's, I don't know why it's like so stupid because obviously
she's the alpha in the, in the marriage, but it's just, it's
just, it's great. You're a woman reading David
Foster Wallace in bed while your husband's like pretending that
he fucks so many girls that he does not.
It's it's hysterical, but that's what keeps season 1 going.
I think Jeremy Piven really saved that show in the first
season. In general, I think he's one of
the best parts. For sure, for sure.
No, he never. Loses it.
Have you guys seen the The Irishman of?
Course. You you know what?
That's every time they present a gangster, they put the time of
death and had like how they died and how brutally he died.
That's what I feel about Entourage is what each of these
people you can see like, oh, used to be the star of the show,
now is doing stand up comedy, smoking stogies.
Like that's that's what Jeremy Piven is now because he got
cancelled as well. He's also doing this.
Yeah. What did he?
Get and what I was getting cancelled.
For. The same, same thing.
They're all, they're all disgusting guys.
They're all like pinched under the the the dress type.
Well, he reinvented himself as Mr. Selfridge for PBS
Masterpiece Theatre or something.
And now, yeah, he he became like the stand up guy because that
was the only community that would accept, you know, anybody
like that. But it seems like he's kind of
softly returned. I don't think, I don't think HBO
would green light a reboot just yet.
But give it about two to three years and people will just be
like, whatever. When James Franco comes back,
that's when Jeremy, Jeremy won't come back.
I was one day away from meeting James Franco and I'm so pissed
off. Dude.
I can all all, all of my friends met James Franco and I, I left
just the day before so. Damn dude, he's a fucking Bay
Area legend. No, he he's literally right now.
I want to see all his movies but it's going to be impossible in
the US I'm assuming, or in Canada.
He did the Italian movie in 2024.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly where he's like a
fisherman or something. It's this is the era of film.
This is the cinema I want to see, but I can't, I can't see
anything. He's a.
Little beefy these days. He's kind of gotten a little
wide. It doesn't suit his his form or
his face, but he'll, he'll lose that, you know?
Yeah. He always need that look, like
an action figure that's always like James Franco is supposed to
supposed to look. But yeah, no, I what's that?
Sorry, no, I I go deep in Franco.
OK, The Dave Franco sort of took the place of James Franco.
The only reason why Dave Franco has a career is because James
can't play and. Isn't that funny?
You wouldn't. You think you'd poison the
family tree, wouldn't you? Like if you were trying to get
rid of a guy? No.
No, it feels weird.
You know, you see the studio and Dave Franco does pop up at a
certain point. Like I think the third episode,
I have an episode on the studio I've been cooking up for a
little while now, and it's like, OK, well, they're trying to do
kind of similar to Entourage, but it feels like an insincere
version of that. It's Letterbox.
The movie, Yeah. It's like, remember when Ari
Oster did this? No, we can't do Ari Oster.
It's it's. And then the one shot.
Everybody loves Goodfellas so. That's what I I keep hearing
about the one shot thing and that's what's taking me out of
watching it. And also Apple TV played out
anything on Apple TV, I'm always like, well, that'll be fun for
an episode and then I'll forget about it.
So. Severance, dude, you don't want
to watch Severance. I have.
I watched the first. I watched the first season, but
it was fucking five years ago. So I'm like, well, what am I
going to do? Watch the first season again?
I didn't like it that much. I love Walter mitty I love
Walter mitty don't say anything bad about Walter mitty bro, he's
the best. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty
is such a great film. I.
Want he just got he got signed off for Twilight Zone the Movie
2. Yeah.
You know, that's going to be exciting.
Yeah, yeah. So Jeremy Piven should be right
alongside him. I think it should be a package
deal. He was in heat.
Jeremy Piven was in heat. In the great scene where De Niro
asked for his shirt and it's like, my daughter gave me this
shirt. That's.
Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, it's. Rush hour 2.
That's his best role. Maybe that's true.
Seinfeld, a customer service man and.
Guess what? And guess what Rush Hour was.
The Rush Hour 3 comes in as a plot point in in Entourage where
Brett Ratner invites Johnny Drama thinking, yeah, yeah,
think it's thinking. It's the young Co star from 5
town, from the five towns, the new NBC drama.
And and then he's like, fuck, it's this 45 year old guy or
whatever. And it's like, it's great.
And he's like, no, Brett Ratner, you're a scammer just like me,
man. Like, you know, it's it's it's
good. And I think Mark Wahlberg's
pitch for like celebrity cameos was like, we'll make fun of you
relentlessly if you don't do the show.
So you're going to become a plot point or you're going to become
like an off screen joke. If not, and I wonder how often
that worked. You know, the first season seems
to feel like Batman 1966, where every episode you get a
celebrity guest star in some form.
And obviously it's Mark Wahlberg in that first one.
And then I do they end on like Val Kilmer as that Sherpa?
Guy yeah. Weed.
Weed farmer Sherpa Guy that Vinny Chase's like new age yoga
girlfriend it's like her ex-boyfriend or something Yeah,
which is a bit. That was a big moment Your your
girlfriend being like the only person we could buy weed from is
my ex-boyfriend and then you're like that that'll never happen
let me call 5 more people they don't answer and you're like
let's go buy it from your fucking ex-boyfriend that was
pretty funny I like. You're from, you're from
California. You love weed, don't you?
You love weed? I I don't love it anymore but I
consume it. Yeah.
OK, good. Yeah.
How's that? How's that like?
How is it? I've been smoking it since I was
13 years old. Nice to see like a high
functioning guy. You'd be the judge of that.
No, no, no, I'm, I'm not that's that's not what I mean.
But it's like that's, that's crazy to me because I, I, I
heard Jay on the pod as well. Like he said, I I can't.
I can't. Yeah, once I got on Twitter,
everyone was like, I can't smoke weed.
And I'm like, really? That's crazy.
Like everyone smokes weed out here and always has.
It's not Now I understand because I think there were a lot
of states that had no business having like weed culture and not
weed culture forever has always been bad, by the way.
It's never like there was never like a golden age of like pot
pajamas, pot leaf pajamas, you know, our or the hat, like
Johnny Drama buys advise the weed hat from the cannabis club,
which I love that episode too. But the there.
But I've I've always liked it and my my brain moves way too
fast to even be productive a lot of times.
And I don't mean that in like an intellect way.
It's just it's just Millennium Falcon stars going by me and I
can't get anything done. So I kind of just it's kind of
slows me down. Now that being said, I don't
really use it before like recording or anything like that,
but I it's more of a night time activity for me.
But yeah, I've always, I've always when I got on like
Twitter and podcast, people were like, I smoked weed once and I'm
like, I was in the insane asylum for a month.
What the fuck are you like? Yeah, they're like anyways, I my
script of Adderall was fucking 9,000,000 milligrams that I take
it. I was like, oh, OK.
Well, you agree with you. That's the Sid Barrett thing as
well. Like if you're already twisted
in the head and then you add something to it, of course it's
going to bubble up and and kill you.
You know, like that's the thing. If you're already demented, then
you're not going to get out of there with the.
I don't know, it's just interesting to not really to
entre. I'm just, I'm just interested in
that. No, no, I, I think there's an
interesting observation there. It seems like, you know, I, you
know, maybe this is a New York thing.
I know way more people who use coke than smoke weed casually,
which that's the why you know you're going to die, you're
going to get. I saw a prominent, I saw I saw a
prominent right wing poster like a prom, like like a Capital B
based guy say, and I know where this guy is from.
He said, wow, the weed smell in New York is disgusting.
I said that is that even top five bad New York smell?
And by the way, this person from Northern California, by the way,
I'm like, there's no way that was your first time smelling
weed Like and or you know, the wafts from the window and you
might not like the smell of weed, but I'm like, there's
like, if it's over 75° in New York, I heard it smells like
garbage. Yeah, yeah.
You get garbage, you get pissed, you get weed.
I mean, it's just a new flavor to the equation.
It's really not the worst of it. I can't say I'm personally a fan
of it, but I'm not put off by it.
Either no, but it there you there is.
I can't smoke the way I used to though, like and and the stuff
is medical truly like medical insane medical strong now,
whereas in the past, like I used to be able to wake up and just
literally go to work, do everything with weed hat like
cigarettes consuming it that way.
Now it's, you know, if I were to wake up and and, you know, do
whatever, take an edible or something like that.
I'm not, I mean, I might watch season 5 of Entourage.
But yeah, you know, that's a, that's the major key is when you
make like the thing that you do like, well, I'm gonna watch ATV
show and talk about it. You're like, well, I guess I
can, I can make that part of it. But yeah, it's, it's definitely,
I'm fucking mid 30s now. It's definitely, definitely
can't do it the way that I used to and nor should I.
So. Yeah.
I think the last time I smoked weed, Entourage was on the air.
So it's been a while. I've been out, I've been out.
Maybe I'd love it now I probably won't.
Find out. I wouldn't try it now.
I'll do it now. Yeah.
You left at the right time if it wasn't for you.
Yeah. Because that's now they have
like now that now it's like Reddit.
So like you have like Redditors that make weed now and they're
like now it's we combined 18 different plants.
I mean. This one ghost pepper of weed,
you know that. That's it.
This is Carolina Reaper Piss Kush.
Yeah, yeah, it's they have that. It's true, that stuff.
It is crazy. But yeah, any any who shall we
move to season 2 Talk a little Season 2.
I feel like that's a much more exciting season.
I I got to admit I forget what happens when.
So me too. So let me let me just don't
don't stop the show for this. Obviously Opie and Anthony, but
I, I really want to get the I, I want to get the episode list up
so I can see sort of, but keep going.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that we need to be
that rigid, but yeah. I I no, I'm actually the first
result by the way, is episode list severance.
So that's cool. Go ahead.
Sorry, sorry. I'm.
Going on Apple devices because you can't do anything without.
Well, we get a lot of big staple characters in Season 2.
You do get Lloyd, you get Sloan, you get the Malcolm McDowell
character. Yeah, you know, you start to
build the three-dimensional nature of this Entourage
universe, really. Yeah, you get Beverly D'Angelo.
That's right. Yeah, That's that's nice.
I I love that a lot. I love the angry Busey you do
get. Oh yeah.
Multiple abuse. I wasn't Season 1 when the when
the turtle knocks over the fucking thing.
I wonder. Yeah, I couldn't remember.
You're right. That was cool.
That was. Yeah.
But he comes in later too, I think.
Yeah, no, he returns. Maybe it's the season or
penultimate episode of season 1 where he's at the beach and he's
just like abusing Turtle. Yeah, it's dumps.
Though it's clearly what just Busey wanted to do that day.
Remember, I'm with. Oh yeah.
That was so funny back then when you would be like, hey, this
guy's fucking schizo with like, brain damage.
Let's just like, literally like Sam Hyde's the only one that
does that now. But like, everybody like back
then, that was like, we have a show that'll last for a decade
if you put or however long that lasts.
I think it lasted longer than it should have.
But yeah, they had a show called I'm with Busey when he was like,
anyways, I had a motorcycle accident.
Fucking banged my head. That that was, that's another
great thing about the early odds is kind of forgotten is they
would just grab whatever mentally ill celebrity and then
you'd have a show. You know, they did that with
Ozzy, they did that with Anna Nicole, all huge successes.
They would just, or they would just take like black people and
put them in the Hollywood Hills, like like 3-6 Mafia, you know,
like just the stuff like that. It was Adventures in Hollywood,
great show. And yeah.
And it was, it was kind of like a postmodern thing where we're
like, ah, we'll just, it's reality TV is going on and we'll
just do Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab, which are all great shows
in. My 2 quarries, that's a
masterpiece. Haman Feldman Yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely. Also same network as
Wahlburgers, it might have been on at the same time.
What? What time?
What network was that? That was A&E.
Yeah, that's right. I was.
That was Spike TV, but I guess not.
Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, not remember when guys
millennials. That was definitely that was
definitely great. But I love yeah, I love the
introduction to Sloan because it takes my guy E he gets all goo
goo Gaga over her. He's not he's not the he loses
all his his his bite. You know, he doesn't have the
bite. He's not the tough guy anymore.
Is he ever tough? Yeah, he, he, he puts a hard
line a lot of times. What I like about is he's a good
middle man because Vinny will agree to a lot of stuff, but he
knows what Vinny doesn't actually want to do because he's
known him forever. So go man, fuck that guy.
E, you know when they want to buy the, when you go to season 4
and they want to buy Medellin, only guy that thinks that's a
good idea is E and he kind of doesn't, but he knows it's what
Vinny wants to do. So that's why he has a little
bit of it. And he, you know, he, he tries
to strong arm Ari a little bit because he's trying to, he wants
to be the manager and stuff. He has a little bite to him,
like. He right hooks Billy Walsh as
well. I forget about that as well.
He just assaults him. He picks his battles well, I'll
say that. Much like he's a character that
that punches in his weight class, which he's pretty small,
but you know, in terms of like guys that could kick your ass or
something. It's not like, again, Chuck
Liddell in the Punked, the kind of Punked spoof episode.
But yeah, that was, yeah, Season 2 was great because I love
Malcolm McDowell. Because at first I thought it
was, what's that guy's name? Udo Keir.
Udo Keir Terence Stamp. I thought it was him.
I thought it. Was like I was.
Like damn, Udo Keir is an entourage and I was like, no,
never mind. He made it like a face that
looked like fucking Alex from Clockwork Orange.
I was like, oh shit, never mind. Yeah, there he is.
There he is. Yeah, it was great.
Yeah, that was those are those are all great.
His like hunting, his little hunting stuff.
The painting too, the fake paintings in Ari's office.
I love that one where he has to give the real one away after a
while. Ari's marriage counseling stuff
is some of my all time favorite stuff.
I think that I don't know if that's in season 1 at all, but I
know in season 2 and three that becomes a big thing is the the
marriage counseling thing. So what are your guys favorite
moments from that time? Oh, you know, I was, I kept
going back to it's kind of a gimmick episode, but I really
liked where they went to the Playboy Mansion and they created
this little, you know, frenemy relationship with Ralph Macchio.
That's right. Who's now back in movie theaters
with Jackie Chan? Karate Kid?
Yeah. That's a fun episode.
I just watched. I just watched a great Ralph
Macchio movie The other day. It was called Crossroads.
You guys ever seen Crossroads? The Britney Spears movie.
No, it's that's what I thought when it was suggested to me.
But no, he's a Blues guitarist that has to he has to shred
guitar to get a Blues harmonica guy's and.
He's Britney Spears rival in Crossroads.
They're having a singing competition.
No, he fucks Britney Spears in Crossroads.
Yeah. No, no, no, he doesn't.
Was she like 16 and he was 30? No.
It's a Walter Hill movie. This crossroads thing is like,
oh wow, from 1986 to a Walter Hill movie.
It's actually pretty damn good. I expected it to be like, really
hokey, and it is. But it's like, you know,
tastefully in that way. But yeah, he's, he is.
He is back, apparently. I saw him on that when I went to
the movies yesterday. I saw a big picture of Ralph
Macchio. I was like, I almost had a
seizure. It was crazy.
They they shot that movie in my old school, my primary school,
you know, like this one. No, no, no, no, no.
The new the new, new Karate Kid. I gotcha.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Post Jackie Chan Jackie Chan
Post Post. Jaden Yeah.
And that, that pisses me off because I was talking with the
school to shoot there and they're like, yeah, let me,
we're going to put you in touch. We're going to, we're going to
put you in touch with our guy. And the guy never responded to
me. And then and then I, I see this
movie and they shot Karate Kid, which is like you are.
Jackie Chan, dude, no. But that's it really.
It really sucks to see institutions of higher learning,
you know, primary. I'm a fucking alum, dude.
I I literally, I literally said that I was like, yeah, when?
Ari Gold, when Ari Gold's trying to get his kid into that school,
right? That's how he had to treat that
situation, yeah. The principal's home and say,
please, I'm begging you. Yeah, no, it just, it just sucks
to see a higher institution of learning like that.
Bend for the money, bend for the big, big business right there.
I I I think that sort of sucks. And then they say in the trailer
like, hey, you're in New York now, you're in America.
And then they shoot this in the Montreal school.
It's such a phony poser little piece of shit.
Movie thing Canada for New York. Oh, love it, dude.
Yeah, and Oh my other actually, I think maybe my favorite
episode I've seen so far. It's stupid and hokey, but I had
my reasons for loving it. Is the nerd con convention.
Year. Quest where it's the only I like
it when Johnny Drama gets to actually where he's actually
right about how famous he is in a certain times and it happens
twice so far where when they go to Cannes and he's France.
Viking Quest is huge and. Which is my favorite episode of
the show I'm pretty sure. It's pretty great.
And then, but then this one where you have Rainn Wilson, the
evil comic Blogger, where most of the time was, was an HBO
alum. He was in Six Feet Under, I
believe, and he it's so good because Mandy Moore and Adrian
or Mandy Moore and Vinny Chase had a had a thing and there's a
whole relationship thing and and Vinny gets knocked off his cool
guy stuff for a little bit because of Mandy Moore.
Which dude? Come on.
If I remember right, I feel like this is ripped from reality
because there was a whole controversy with Ain't It Cool
News, which was like the premium nerd blog media press site
online during that time. And, you know, they had the
ability to kind of like, make or break the narrative on certain
films. And, you know, you're watching
this in 2025. And it would seem like, you
know, something we didn't really get into is Vinny has a
resistance against playing Aquaman.
And I feel like in 2025, if you get offered any of these movies,
you're taking that without question just because you know
the dump truck of money is going to back up to your house and
you're going to have a lot more opportunities.
I mean, you're. Taking Matterhorn, you're
accepting Matterhorn too. Yes, yeah.
I mean, DC you're you're you're clearly artistic integrity first
guy. But surely if they came to you
and said, hey, we want you for Doctor Strange 3, Surely we're
getting the DC directed Doctor Strange 3, right?
It can't be worse than universal madness.
So let's do it. Yeah, let's.
OK, there you go. So multiverse, he's like, I
don't want to worry. Your costume, what is it?
Halloween? You know I'm not going to dress
his Aquaman, and he's not. Jacked either what it was really
funny to see, like because he's really not jacked at all, or.
Athletic, by the way, Or athletic?
Yeah, he. Moved.
He's like movement is not like a star in any way.
I mean, he's got the face, obviously, but it's it's funny
to see what like a star was back then as opposed to now where
you're just like, you see, like the Rock playing.
What's his name? Mark Henry?
Or what's the guy's name? The, the.
Yeah. Like I I just mean to be a star
now you have to to just be like Tom Hardy got fucking swole for
Bane and like all this and Vinny Chase is like that's fine to
play Aquaman like that. I kind of missed that when you
just had a gossip. It's a different.
World, I mean, you look at the superhero movies of the time,
what you have like Spider Man, obviously.
And Spiderman's really the only one that was successful during
that time from the X-Men movies. So there's like a reason to not
be completely on board. Yeah.
And you have Hugh Jackman, you have Hugh Jackman as Wolverine,
who eventually for Logan I think got Jacked, but he didn't look
that. If I could be wrong, the 1st he
doesn't look that jacked. No, he doesn't look jacked at
all. In fact, he looks kind of soy.
He's just a small guy with like heavy sideburns.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, you know which movie I
used? I used to love that.
The one where he goes to Japan. That was such a sick movie.
The Wolverine. 1. I think, I think it's called The
Wolverine, Just Wolverine, something like that.
It's one of the reboots where it's just about Wolverine and he
goes to Japan. It's so sick.
I've only seen Logan. So before Logan, I think it was
the same director. They thought that was going to
be that movie. It was going to be like an adept
of some comic and then to like make up for that because it
wasn't critically well received. They're like, all right, we're
going to do Logan. Don't worry, calm down, relax,
relax. But.
What I loved about I loved about the the Viking Quest convention
episode was seeing actual nerds. Not, not now.
Everybody's a nerd. Literally anybody that takes any
interest in anything is either autistic and or a nerd.
So it's just kind of this everybody, everybody loves
Marvel now. Yeah, everybody loves that.
There's no like there's not really.
Everybody has a niche hobby, I guess is what I is what I mean.
But seeing like an actual just goober, I think back then like a
goober I think is the word I would use.
And you're just like, wow, it's actually refreshing to see
instead of now like where you just see like a, a jacked dude
in like a flash shirt and you're just like, Nah, dude, you see
that? I don't see it.
It's such posturing. I don't believe it.
Every fan of Marvel is Mexican. Well, it's sometimes it's a Jack
Mexican. I don't.
Know what to tell you No, no, no, that's that's that's what
I'm saying. But I I'm sorry, this it sounds
like not even a racial thing, but you know, Eris.
Is a racial thing. It's all right though, go ahead
but but. Eris Quinones.
You know Eris Quinones. No.
Such a terrible person to bring up.
But that to me is the typical Marvel fan.
He's like the guy who's like, he'll watch any trailer for
Marvel or DC and he's going to be like, this is so exciting,
you know, like this is the best thing I've seen.
And then he does videos on his YouTube channel, which has like
1,000,000 of followers where it's like the secret back story
of Zam Zaboor, the background character in the Daredevil
trailer. And it's it's about the comics.
I don't know, to me, that is the nerd.
That is the person who really cares about that stuff to degree
where it becomes religious. It's not even about what The
thing is anymore. It's about the principle of
having comic book characters. And he loves it so much.
That's that's a nerd. One, I think during COVID, a lot
of people just got niche hobbies.
Like I know people who got into Marvel because it was on Disney
Plus and it was accessible and they had nothing to do but watch
every Marvel movie. There were accompanying
podcasts, U.S. media that would talk about it and then they
would you people would emerge out of their hideout and they
would be like, I'd be like, you're a Marvel fan now.
They're like, I always have been actually.
And like, no, I know exactly how you got into it.
It's fine to admit that. It's totally fine to admit that.
I just, I just laughed because you look at these people and
you're like, I don't know when people used to watch like
Battlestar Galactica, like like actual nerd shows.
And whereas on my baseball team, if I said I watched Battlestar
Galactica, people would be like, are you fucking kidding me,
dude? Whereas I don't think that's the
case now you'll see like NFL players are like I love of one
piece and you're just like no fucking way, like like there's
no way like. So it's just it was nice to see
like what you saw as like an actual nerd, like the school at
your nerd with the wolf T-shirt, like the howling, like the wolf
howling at the moon, which now that's an ironic like.
Yeah. Fashion thing in its own where I
just it was just I was like, man, that's exactly how it used
to be. We actually I I hate to say it
was like a segregated society, the nerds and all that stuff and
they didn't try to fit in with cool kids.
They just like no hang out with the other nerds.
Oh, it's. It's a mutual aberration
society, OK, they really hate each other.
They despise, really despise. It's not like the nerds want to
be. Of course, maybe in their head
they want to be cool, but it's it's never the like just the
cool kids hating the nerds and the nerds think the cool kids
are dumb and jocks and stupid and wash their, their, their,
their hair with, with mud, you know?
I used to walk by this school all the time and I don't know if
you had this low rest since we're about the same age, like
where you walk by and you tell the kids playing Counter strike
in the in the room. Did you ever have that like a
computer room? We had a computer room where
kids at lunch, I think the teacher was just cool and they
were all playing Counter strike. They didn't say a fucking word.
They'd get out of the class. I didn't know any of those kids
names or anything. I'd have you'd have to look in
the yearbook when the year came out.
But they all had that like community of like Counter Strike
kind of for and this is before FPS was like a huge thing where
everyone played Call of Duty Black Ops.
These kids would play this all the time.
You're like, that was a friend group.
I don't know if they even talk to each other ever or anything.
But it was just, it was like I have, they wouldn't let me in if
I tried. So my school didn't have that
because all the computers were barred from having any sort of
game except for what was like the generic one that was like a
purple background and every single computer had it baked in
on it like minesweep style gaming, you know?
But there was a collective of kids at my school who after
school were professional Super Smash Brothers players.
And they were like the really stinky kids, you know?
And one was particularly successful.
He's like, I got hundreds of millions of dollars now.
Moved to San Francisco like right after high.
School, you have to tell me. I'll go fucking find him and
beat his. Eye, I'll give you his name.
I'll. Give you his name.
I just go fight him for no reason.
But that that was basically the version that existed in my
sphere of things, you know? Yeah, that's that's 40 miles
from me, dude. That's nothing.
From the five to the six, I grew up in the liberal
Canadian education system. So we had computers, a ton of
them, and all of them had one game called Machinim.
If you know Machinium, it's the lamest game of all time.
You're like a robot. It's a pointed click game.
You have to solve clues. And I was a gamer at the time.
I was mortal combating every night, but I I could not play
that game. It sucks so bad.
Look at me. If you're listening to this
show, check out Machinium. Guarantee you we have a lot of
Canadian listeners. I guarantee you they're like.
Dick dude, I hate machinium so fucking because you're this like
goofy ass robot. It's like wall-e before wall-e
and then you have to Click to open bridges and like esteem.
It's like a steam punk 2 as well.
So it's like, it's like you're doing like steam turbine puzzle.
I hate it so much man. Was it, was it like a little
autism thing? Like was it kind of like a like
a geared for the autistic? Brain No social programming bro.
Everybody had to play machinima. It was the the one thing we had
on the computer. Yeah, I don't know what it was
we had. I don't it wasn't even IMAX or
anything. They they were like regular old,
like PCs or whatever, but kids were in there and I'm like,
damn, this is crazy. Like post Columbine they're
letting kids play like fucking shooting.
Games. Yeah, like.
And they and the kids kind of looked like, you know, they
would do something like. This so they were white kids OK
this is the difference is. All they're Asian.
They're Asians there. Were a lot of Asians too?
Yeah, 50. Almost like 50% of the city that
I went to high school in was Asian, which is why there was a
big Nintendo band I would assume.
There you go. Yeah, that's true.
That's a good. Point in high school there was a
League of Legends that's also a big big in Japan wasn't.
That like 4 years ago, no? No, no, no, No, no, No.
Is this another risk on my my youth?
High school is far behind, OK. It's not even close.
Yeah.
You see these scars? Yeah.
There you.
Go So the yeah, the Mandy Moore thing.
I was glad when that was over. I was getting her off my fucking
screen, dude. Like, sorry, I was done done
with her just. Ignore me, actress man.
I don't want to see that. I want to see the crazies.
I don't want to see the female agent Luca Guadagnino.
What's your name? What's your fucking name?
Beverly D'Angelo. Carla Gugino.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's Twist.
That's a great character. Mamma Mia.
Yeah. Sorry.
Go ahead. No, you're right.
I mean, that was very worthy of bringing up.
Yeah, that was that was nice. But yeah, that you know, in
Season 2 there's I'm trying to think what there's not because
these are these are short because season 3 is the big one.
Season 3. Yeah, Why is it 20 episode?
I I'm I don't know. I'm not arguing with it.
I just like that's a weird for one season to have 20.
Episode This was 2006, right? And I believe there was like a
year break in between, was there not?
It does seem it seems like there's a stopping point for
sure in the season. I feel like.
They Sopranos it were 'cause I heard of HBO used to do a thing
where if you called it a second another season, they didn't have
to pay a bonus for the actors for getting renewed.
So interesting. Yeah, it could be that.
I learned that from the David Chase documentary they were
talking about that they said basically the reason Sopranos
season, I think 6 is 2 parts. It's really two seasons.
It got, it was filmed as though it was a second another season
time off and everything but the actor.
HBO is notoriously cheap, especially back then.
I don't know if they are still are, but they they were
notoriously cheap. So maybe they did something like
that where they're like, this show's getting big.
Let's see if we can skim a little off the top.
Depending on what year it was, you know, there was a writer's
strike that occurred sometime around then.
And I don't know if that would be the reason why, but a lot of
shows had a pause or they would have to like double up on on.
You know, I remember with CBS in particular, you tuned in and
suddenly they were playing Dexter, which is not Acbs show.
They were playing like APG version of Dexter that was
edited for primetime television. You know, and it could be
something like that. I'm not I'm not certain why.
Maybe you just also got a huge bump in viewership.
I I don't know what the gap would have been.
Yeah, I or I'd like, like I said, that was probably around
the same time as Sopranos ending.
So maybe that was just what HBO was doing that year was was just
around that. Yeah, that's interesting.
So that but it's it's I think it's awesome.
The season 3. It's just every you get, we get
we get our we get Billy Walsh, we get a lot, we get we get
Billy Walsh. He's back.
I mean, I, you miss him so much by the time you're like, I like,
is he just not going to come back?
I was like so bummed, but the way you were talking about him,
the child was like, he has to come back at some.
Yeah, like there's no way you were just excited about him for
like 1 episode because I got excited about the Chinese energy
drink commercial guy from a while back.
And I was like, that's that's low res.
He's the Chinese energy. Drink commercial guy.
We didn't say who he was. Who do you think he is?
Who's Jay? Who like no, I mean.
He's he's, he's. A he's RE.
He's like a RE gold. I think like hybrid, you're a
hybrid character. Because I've had, listen, I'll
tell you on a project that DC and I worked on, there were a
lot of phone calls where I was definitely channelling RE gold,
you know, so I, I could feel that.
I know that Masshole can just come out of you at some point,
you know, like it's, it's not there all the time, but I bet, I
bet somebody could bring it out. Oh no.
It's deeply suppressed, you know, but it is ready.
To come out DC, bring it out of you or?
No, no, DC is a dream. Of course he is.
Dreamboat. Handsome guy.
Although here's playing Genium Machinium.
Really. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm getting fatter
everyday. Brothers, you don't even
understand. I thought I was lean.
That I saw a picture of myself.
I'm like, what? You know, fish.
You're not that fish for compliments on record.
No, no, no, no, no. But that the whole brother,
brother, brother. Brother, I'm getting I'm this is
getting nasty. I'm I'm buying nut butter.
You know what? Nut butter.
Yeah, I tell you, I've been smoking pot since I was fucking
13. Of course I know it.
Nut butter. I can get a whole jar.
I probably have. Of of what?
Of which one? Damn it.
OK, that's the thing. Because, you know, peanut
butter, obviously everybody knows about peanut butter
except. But then, yeah.
Yeah. But then, but then there's this
pistachio flavored and this is not a sponsorship or whatever.
It's just so delicious. It's like pistachio peanut
butter, but it's with pistachios.
So the peanuts, Glenn focus please, when I'm talking about
nut butter. No, he's trying to order some
right now. He's.
Very no. I I had to get some information.
I do know about nut. I do know about.
So you're eating entire jars of nut butter is.
That what I mean. They're small.
They're small, but yeah. You're like you're like I that's
what sigh does. He's like dude I am losing it.
I had fucking 4 kettle chips the other day.
I'm like. But sigh is actually obese.
It's different. I think it's it's not the same
you. Don't know anything about him
dude. But on the on the video maybe?
Maybe I have I weigh more than him.
Oh. I do I weigh more?
Same height I'm. A little tall, smidge taller,
yeah, smidge, yeah. I got, I have a wide build.
I have a wide build. So I can I, when I get fat, it's
Vince Vaughn. Oh, that's cool.
It's, it's actually, that's a good fact.
Actually, it's exactly it why it kind of distributes evenly, you
know, like, like, so it like, 'cause I, I, my biggest, I got,
I got to 2:15 at my biggest. And I, I mean, I don't think
anybody cares about this, but I got, I got, maybe they do
actually, but I got, I got like to 2:15 and I looked and it all,
it took one picture when I was like this and I was like, fuck.
And that's how I saw it. But if I had a big protruding
gut then I would have lost it away way earlier, you know?
That's always the tipping point I feel is like you take a
picture of yourself and then a week or two later you check it
out and you look like a fat piece of shit.
It's like, oh, I hate myself so much I get a star.
Being tagged and it's the worst. Oh yeah.
Oh, yeah, Jay knows about this. Jay, I know I got scolded for
this. When When we?
It's not scolded. It's just like you take the, you
take a man, you know? And why did you post those fat
ugly photos of me, you fucking asshole?
Because look, at least get me from the side profile like
Johnny drama. I have a good side.
If you do the the full profile thing, it's just going to be a a
wrecked, you know, a wretched disgusting picture there.
I. Don't I don't think they were
that bad. It was listen, you know how the
iPhone does the distort on the sides when it's a wide enough
picture that's. Real I was I was dead centre.
I was dead centre on the picture there that's not that's not
real. It doesn't matter.
Let's move on. It's.
Good, you were very short in the Ralph Sepi junior group photos.
All this. That was like a Joe Biden
meeting the Carters thing, right?
That was, that was not, that was not.
That's that's OK. That's cool.
Sort of like in that David Lynch ass picture.
Like, I don't know why that's. The yeah, that's the weirdest.
Fucking thing. I forgot about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it kind of sounds like
DC you're you're trying to embrace your turtle here if
you're eating a lot of nut butter.
No. And that that's that's the thing
as well, Like turtle, Turtle to me.
He got lean, by the way, and he didn't.
Get cool. By the way, Yeah, I was looking
at the movie interviews. He looks the he aged the best
out of any of the four of them, you know.
I mean, yeah, I don't know. I think Adrian Greeninger looks
pretty fucking. Good.
Well, yeah, of course. But he had yeah, going for him
to begin with. You know, it's not as
impressive. Yeah, he could.
Like, he could never be like. He would have to do like, like
Mickey Rourke shit to like, be ugly, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah.
So that would make sense. He's also the type of look this
is parasocial. I don't know this but it seems
he seems to me the type of celebrity that doesn't drink or
doesn't do anything, but I don't know why he.
Said he had substance abuse. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good stuff. And childhood drama too, I'm
assuming. Right?
Like, yeah. But he would never.
It was funny like because they asked him on that on that
victory. It's I think it's Doug Ellen was
hosting it and he was like, so yeah, like where you been and
stuff. And he's like, well, I, I really
had to just get off the grid for a little bit.
And I really. And I had these demons and like,
oh, yeah. And they're like trying to be
polite, like not asking what the demons are, but he keeps
bringing up the demons and. But demons and like literal
demons. Yeah, I know.
He's like, what are they? And he goes, oh, massive
substance abuse and and then he's like, it was like cool guy
Nofap where it's like I was just having sex a lot and busting too
much like as opposed to as opposed to like why you would
actually need to do Nofap. Like it's really funny.
It's it's it cracked me up. But anyways, yeah, Turtle looks
good when you when you when you see him now.
I I think I mean he's kind of like when he's like about to
fuck Lauren, Lauren London in in of the black mechanics daughter
or whatever, Like when he's like about to get you're just like,
get out of here, dude, you're not that funny.
Like, you know, like. That's The thing is, well, every
time they're like they imply that Turtle gets laid, which is
very funny to me because he's not charming and even his
closest the the girl who's there in the context right, is already
close to Vince Turtle can no longer provide any service
whatsoever. But for some reason, oh, come
on, I'm, you know, he always does this and it, it works out,
which is so unrealistic in this show, you know?
Here's what I'll say. You know, I won't throw the baby
out with the bathwater here because I feel like during that
time period, I certainly knew a lot of wiggers who were pretty
similar to Turtle. And listen, they weren't they
weren't, you know, knocking out the top bar like maybe he is for
some episode, but they would do pretty well for themselves
without much of anything to offer.
So I, you know, I don't know, I it wasn't too detached from.
And that that tall T shit used to really hide A lot.
Like it was kind of our yoga pants for guys back.
In the day like it was. Kind of when I was like, no one
knew what fat guys were for like 5 years.
Gee, like your friend, like you'd, you'd go to like Vegas or
whatever and you'd hit like the pools and stuff and be like holy
shit, my friend's been fat this whole fucking time.
This is crazy. They would all wear this but 3
XL. Three XL you know, you never
really see that when you're young you don't get the neck
thing like when you're that's like when you get older so like
you're the kind of fat that you get is like there you can grow a
beard too. You know, there's all sorts of
ways around that neck fat thing. So but Turtle legit looks fat
when he's wearing the catcher in season 1.
He's wearing the the catchers thing and the dog bites him.
It's very slapstick and silly. It's kind of kind of dumb, to be
honest. I mean really all he had to do
was drop about 30 lbs and then take the hat off so his head has
like more. He's a handsome guy.
He's like, yeah, he's a handsome guy.
Like in the way like he's better looking than Kevin Dillon.
Yeah, I get. Yeah, yeah, I'll agree.
Matt, Matt, it's it's rough because like Matt Dillon's the
like Chad guy, you know, out of the family.
And I love I again, I'm I'm pro Johnny drama.
But now, yeah, I I can see, I can see myself becoming anti
Johnny Drama. After we get a few, a few
watches in a few, a few months and moments, you know, and then
yeah. This is only Part 1 of the The
Entourage saga that's going to. We're doing 10 and we're doing
10, yeah. We're doing Korean.
I want to do Korean entourage. I really do.
Well, we have to do Ari. We have to do Ari the movie.
Ari the Movie. Is that the goods The used car
salesman? Comedy on Doug Ellen's IMDb Ari
the Movie. Ari the Movie.
It I'm just saying I don't know what if it exists or not.
It's just there. It's on his thing.
We have to track down Doug Ellen and get a copy of that right
now. Ari Gold like movie apparently I
have no idea if it's real. I I I just when you Google Doug
Ellen like what he's done because I look and it's all
these like how high tier like black people comedies, which I
thought was funny. I was like, that's crazy that
Doug Ellen's writing these and oh.
Doug Ellen's done. With the culture, let's say that
I mean season 3, you're right because season 3 or season 4 of
entourage is when all the rappers come in Kanye and you
have Mary J Blige, you have all you have all those people that
come in and Snoop, of course and the.
Soundtrack Oh let's Snoop is a big topic here, but definitely
even the soundtrack and they got Jay-Z on the soundtrack.
You have, you know, others. Oh, one of my favorite moments,
and I think it's from season 3, one of my favorite moments
because it was a literally me moment.
Unfortunately, it's a turtle that was literally me in this
situation. But he's just smoking weed by
himself in a room and Jay Dilla's won't do is is playing
in the background. I'm like, I literally did that
in 2007, like by myself, not in a nice, but he's in a much nicer
room than I was. But you know, I was in one of
those weird like busted leather Craigslist couch fucking houses
doing that, you know, slat slatted blinds.
And so, yeah, I mean a little different, but it was literally.
So is that what is there? Is there a share screen option
in this app? I don't know if you have.
Apps present. I think it's present.
Screen. Oh, can you do, can you do that?
OK, yeah, yeah, if you can, because I think there's AI don't
think you're getting that. Oh, oh, I see.
I have to add it. All right.
Here we go dude, Ramble on. This looks like it's like AI
before AI. It's like GBT 1, you know?
Is that Joe Estevez? I don't know which one it is.
I don't think it's the on cinema guy, but that's the thing.
It's the weekend. There's the weekend on there.
The basically, yeah, Mark Cuban is.
What? Oh, of course.
Yeah. Sorry, did you?
What a crazy cast. Here they have the yeah, the
guys from Entourage and the Charlie Sheen called Ramble On.
Floating head. That looks like a reality show
that's about to happen. Coming soon 2022.
It's it's on. It's on IMDb so I'm assuming.
Oh, sorry, did you still want the IMDb?
Yeah, go ahead. No, no, it's all right.
Sorry. Just I mean look at I.
Is this for you? Is that his podcast?
Yeah, I think that's what it is. Yeah.
I think that's the podcast. I no.
Well, maybe. You don't.
You don't get the headphones, He's got the.
Headphones. Yeah, he's got the headphones.
You're right. But Jamie.
Jamie Lynn Siegler. Well.
You're not got, you haven't gotten there yet.
That's a big thing in Entourage as well.
She has a major role in Entourage.
Oh. Good Doug Allen has a cameo and
entourage when Johnny Drama is performing for the CSI spin off,
right? Yes, yes, yes.
That's a great, that's a great scene.
Also his son I believe is the Ari's kid if I'm not mistaken.
Oh, really? Yeah, yeah.
That's Doug Allen's son. I'm just, I'm captured.
This is, this is a movie. This is not a podcast.
This is. Am I not sharing anymore?
I don't. No, you are.
I'm just, I'm trying to figure out what the fuck this is.
It's like the end of Sopranos when you think Tony is going to
die. Yeah, I was going to say it's
the painting where that you have like the Godfather, Tony
Soprano, Scarface. Michael Corleone, Tony Soprano,
Tony Al Pacino twice. Yeah, Absolutely, Absolutely.
Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's
excellent. Thanks for.
Can you, can you check on if there's an Ari Gold movie?
I thought I saw that. I thought like I was going to
add this to our watch list at some point.
For sure, but look at it's shot on film.
That's insane of. Course it is.
That's crazy. Why?
Dude how much dumb ass money went into this That's.
Now that's my thing as well. Of course I wasn't, I was born
in the wrong generation and everything, but I can't fathom
the just the, the resources that went into Entourage, especially
with how undoable. And I don't want to just repeat
that stuff. Like, of course we know it's
from the past, but the, the money, you know, the, the
resources, the, the effort it takes to make a whole show like
this go for so long is is really baffling.
I, I just think people had more patience, man.
Like I, I, I just, I just think people had more patience and
thought like I, I don't know about the budget.
I I have a feeling Mark Wahlberg put a lot of his own money into
this shit too. Yeah, but even even that, I mean
just a song like you know, if you tried licensing songs or
whatever you're doing. But it wasn't hard back then.
It wasn't as hard back then to license songs, I don't think.
Especially for HBO, Probably, yeah.
Sopranos at the end of all these shows, they all have like
fucking like Tina Turner and like all these like like massive
songs. Like I think now it's weird.
You can like get any song on a streaming service, but you
cannot play it anywhere but where back then you like they
were pissed off about all the downloading services back then,
but you could like play it in public because you could use it.
They had a airplay. I know with radio, that's how
like radio gets away with everything is like there's a a
public airplay thing that happens.
And I'm sure that's what was, I'm sure they're paying money,
of course, for these songs. But yeah, they played Monkey Man
by Rolling Stones. There's massive in entourage.
Like it's like what? Like that's that.
It's like the Scorsese was using that for like departed, right?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, music licensing in DC,
maybe you can attest this is one of the more confusing aspects of
working on a movie because you have to jump through, like,
sometimes a few different people when it comes to wanting to get
a song and be able to use it and make sure it's all clear for,
you know, you want to theatrically screen it, you want
to stream it, whatever. With HBO, obviously, they're
Warner Brothers, the Warner Brother Archive of Music.
Like, they have their own label. I'm sure that they just have all
these songs at their disposal, you know, so that's that's
probably a big element of it. And as far as you know what what
you said now, you know, music licensing is kind of in an
interesting place because there are these services where you
don't have to like go directly to anybody.
And it's like you want to clear this track for your YouTube
release. You can do it for 30 bucks or 80
bucks or whatever it might be, but then it stays on YouTube.
You know, it's like you're good for YouTube.
You have the best, most banging Entourage style soundtrack for
YouTube. This is going to be super
autistic and no one cares about this, but which song was that
for? Because that's not the
experience I've had at all. Well, I was trying to get a song
from David Johansen called New York Doll, the Mass State
Lottery that he did not remember doing.
He just died, didn't he? Yes, he did so his band was the
New York Dolls, but he did this song called New York Doll as
himself and it was featured on the soundtrack.
Not even I don't even think it was actually on the soundtrack
to Fear City. It was in some of the trailers
to Fear City. This able for our movie, which I
believe Warner Brothers put out. It was kind of a flop, but it
was like the one time he worked in the industry, you know, and
in in like a bigger capacity. And I love this.
I thought like, the song is terrific.
And I had to go through him and then I had to go through Joe
D'elia, who wrote the song and actually had the rights to the
song. And it was this complicated
process where it just didn't didn't wind up resolving itself.
I was like, I can't use the song, you know?
No, I, I 'cause I assume it's different if you actually get in
touch with the artist. What I've done so far is that
every time I talk to the artist, then it's pretty easy.
We can get all that stuff done. Or if the person who owns the
rights at the label is very nice and yeah, willing to work with,
you know, like our type of budgets.
But man, the the most odd people.
And I know, Jay, you have the Mocha DOMA story.
That's a classic. I have a few as well.
The most, the oddest bands sometimes are asking from for
crazy stuff for crazy amounts of money, whereas more famous ones
will just be chill and and help you out and and, you know, work
something out, even if it doesn't work, at least you have
their information for later on. But yeah, I I one that surprised
me as well, especially in the circles that were, were not in.
But you know, like around it's it, it was it was nuts.
It was it was crazy just how much a smaller artist is asking
for for money for for festival like it.
Helps if there's not a lot, especially if you want rock
though. There's just not that many new
rock bands. That's what sucks.
Like it's like you think like that's the problem is that you
have to. I'm talking rock though.
Like dude, just regular old rock.
I I understand, but but we you're going to see an uptick in
the Orwell's features in independent cinema for at least
10 years. Ben because Mario's I don't want
to put this out there because there's already some pretty bad
stuff being made. Well, you know, but but I'm
telling you, like, he's, he's too generous with that catalog,
I think. Oh yeah.
Well, it's excellent. I mean, fucking it's excellent
music at least. Yeah, but no, you're right.
Like it's just like when it's like, damn, I'd really love like
a rock band. You're like, OK, 1977, let me
look for this. It's like nobody's doing that
right now. Whereas, you know, fucking
during entourage, you'll be cold, hard bitch.
And then it's on a lip. Now it's.
On yeah, it was. You had the new Jet song that
you could use. It was also featured in the
iPhone commercial or whatever. Like it was just, it was such a,
it was such a maximalist time. And I mean, you think if there's
lawyers legal all this stuff now, there was that back then,
but which felt like it was a lot, but there's much less back
then. I think I just, I don't know, I
think there was a lot of favors that were done back.
Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's I'm telling you, it's two
different games basically. Like no one cares about this,
but you get to the personal sort of.
We only have to deal with the paperwork.
When you talk to the artist, that's one thing.
And then you get as the like, oh, hello, big corporation, I'm
this small guy. I was not going to pay you as
much as fucking Arby's, you know?
But this is real art. And then you have to.
Ever want to take a? If you ever want to take a
chance on a kid's dream, you'll let me use Arctic Monkey Song.
You know what I don't know? If you ever want to watch some
slow cinema and you think that. Billy Walls.
Expand your horizons a bit. Yeah, so funny, yeah, but.
Oh my gosh, shout. Let's get back to season 3 guys,
because I love season 3, Love season 3 a lot.
It's it's really is when I I was, I found the show to be
entertaining and fun and I was excited to talk about but like,
yeah, man, these you know, the whole my gosh, what's the other?
What's the one I love? I love the I love the Vegas
episode a lot. I like, I like a lot of their
gimmicky episodes, like when they take the show elsewhere.
I actually like, I think it works more than it than most
shows. I think they're able and again,
you're you, you just love the friend group.
So it doesn't matter the venue. In fact, the venue can spice
things up a little bit. But my guy Bob Ryan, can we talk
about my guy Bob Ryan? The fucking old, old school, old
guard guy that has, is he writing the Ramones movie?
Is that what he's? Doing, yeah.
Yeah, Oh, I love him. Yeah, I love him when they try
to, when they try to stiff him out of the meeting and try to
ice him out of the meeting and he just shows up in the shows up
in the old car and stuff. I I absolutely loved him.
He he, I thought he was going to be a very annoying character.
But again, they're so good at like not overloading you with
people and just leaning on the friend group in here.
I think that I think that's the show could have been bad so many
times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it just, it's, that's a different thing.
But just about that specifically, there's a very sad
thing that happens when 20th century figures don't die around
2005 to 2010. Like people from that era in
2016 or whatever are so sad and so depressed and so incapable of
like, getting with the times, not in the political sense, but
just in the way anything works, that they just become sad.
And people are just like, oh, you produce Dog Day Afternoon.
That's so cute. Yeah.
I love that movie. You know that that sort of
attitude where you're almost. You know what?
And guess what? I think that's impressive.
And guess who's excited about Bob Ryan?
E me so. That's funny about.
That like, that's why I found really funny.
I'm like, I love Bob Ryan. He's so fucking cool, man.
And he's the only guy who's like, Nah, man, yeah, I think it
was. Was it Dog Day afternoon?
Was that the movie? I I'm I'm assuming, yeah, just
it. Was one, it was something big,
like a massive 70s classic. I I remember it was something
like that. And he had all these like other
stories like me and Bob have we bare knuckle box like you got
all these like all those like stories that you're like, I
don't know if that's true or not, but whatever you have, you
have the lack of fact checking of that time and the legend of
the time. I I kind of like that.
But yeah, again, it's funny because it's obviously he's a
dinosaur and but it's, but it's, you know, Vinny has his passion
projects and Vinny becomes a little bit, he, he doesn't act
this way, but he becomes way more particular, I think during
around this night because he wants Medellin.
He never gives up on Medellin, though.
He probably should have, but he but he never gives up on
Medellin and he and he's really he's broke.
Yeah. So the the season starts off
with Aquaman, and then it does extremely fantastically well.
But then for some reason that sort of gets to his head and he
doesn't understand. It's just you're as good as your
last hit. That's it.
You don't get to ride on that forever.
It's not writing. You know, it's not.
It's not. It's not like authors.
Authors do this. Which.
Yeah. Well, yeah, and they shouldn't.
That's the thing. They also shouldn't.
I, I get what you mean. It's definitely worse in in
film, but like they also shouldn't.
It's like, dude, keep writing books like and like try to write
a hit and, and have your like have your folder.
I, I, I know it probably doesn't work this way because I don't
really do stuff like this, but you, you have your passion stuff
like, OK, this is my long form thing.
This is the baby. This is the thing I'm going to
come to. I'm going to take a month off
and work at certain times. But like, you have your hits.
And they keep telling Vinny this like, dude, do this bullshit
fucking movie you're going to make.
And Ari's right, That's The thing is like, Ari's right most
of the movie, right? If you're talking from a
practical sense, or I'm sorry, most of the show from the
practical sense. He's like, I'm gonna make you
rich if you listen to me for the most part.
Because the the truth is behind Entourage, OK, And this is what
a lot of people deconstruct the show as this Oh, it's a
postmodern commentary. But Vinny Chase is actually bad.
You know, he sucks. He's a movie star, not a peak
actor. That's that's shown in the show
when Matt Damon asked him to do a read for an advertisement.
Ahead of where I am. So maybe, maybe he.
Yeah, but I posted the link in the chat, Sir.
You might you might have watched.
It. Why would I?
Because I sent it as a hot felt
gesture to my friend. That's, I know, I love that you
did it. I just, I'll watch it afterwards
after I watch the episode. Anyways, but you know what I'm
saying, like he's not supposed to be a good actor.
He's just like a guy that does well in in movies and and that's
the fundamental truth. So someone like that wanting to
do their passion projects is like, you know, Adrian Brody
doing art. It's like whatever Big Sean Penn
directing movies. It sucks, you know, it really
sucks, but that, that. 'D be one of you never going to
be a De Niro of exactly exactly. We know this right, because
that's funny. We don't really ever like for
the most part, we don't really see him act.
I mean not that that would change anything but like you
don't realize he always is I I by the way, I do love.
We forgot when they recolor queen.
I would have been with you. The time that E and Billy Walsh
see eye to eye is when they do the color grading or what the I
don't know what the term, sorry, but when they make Queens Blvd.
into like color with the you see the blue and they make his eyes
blue and stuff. And then E, who's been
frustrated with Billy Walsh to the core just goes now you're
fucking right, dude, Like we got to take and I love that I was
such a dudes rock moment because it's like it was because I guess
it would have made it good. I mean in terms of money, like
in terms of money, it might have worked.
I personally don't think it would have, but you get the idea
that that would have been a better move for it to make
money. But it's like, dude, this is
like kind of indie cinema, kind of it's going to be loved 10
years from now more than it is now.
It's like going to be one of these things.
So that's interesting. I never really thought of that
with Vinny Chase, where you're like, this guy is delusional,
but I don't. But I don't know that he
believes in himself to that degree though in terms of that
he's a De Niro, that he's a Pacino.
Like, I think he just, I think he kind of doesn't care that
much. No, he seems like somebody who's
more in love with the culture of being famous and being an actor
than somebody who actually wants to invest in learning how to
better that. He's just, you know, and I feel
like that really comes across most plainly and most 2
dimensionally in the first season where he's and a little
bit of like early season 2 where he's just kind of rotating these
different women around. He's playing it like MC Hammer
style by buying these houses he can't afford, getting cars he
can't afford. You know, that's really what
that's about. And you kind of get the idea,
Tad, when they're talking to his father over the phone that Kevin
Dillon basically went down the same path, but to a much lesser
degree of, OK, I'm going to get some money, I'm going to blow
all the money. And that's why he's auditioning
for CBS procedurals, you know? True.
That's good point. Yeah.
Because, I mean, everything seems to be based on something
that's happened or at least a rumor that somebody's heard or,
or, or kind of a an idea of somebody's like somebody,
somebody's assessment of what happened in a certain script.
Because you hear about all these scripts, all that scripts been
laying around forever. Oh, that this is oh, Medellin,
that's still a thing. You know, like there's all these
like little Hollywood inside things.
So you get the idea that most of this stuff has happened, but I
didn't even think about it with Kevin Dillon.
That's totally true because he was he wasn't Viking quite.
I don't think that's that's not what he he's doing something
different. But you're saying Vinny could
kind of be doing a little Kevin Dillon?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the the Johnny drama
squandering potential, or at least like financial potential
and having to mooch off of your brother as a result of that, you
know? So should you do, should you do
the bullshit? I'm asking either you guys
personally like should you, if you, if you guys, I know you
guys right now it's it, you guys are very much in control of what
you do. And, and, but I know I, I have a
feeling both of you guys want to like, hey, here's here's a
script I'm sending to you. You know, here's a script.
I say this so and so's got scripts.
Yeah, so and so's got a script for you.
And you can see one that's like, OK, this is bullshit.
It might be entertaining bullshit, but like you should do
it right? Like would you got to make if
you if you think it's a hit? You want to start with that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think first of all, I
really like the hyping up. I really appreciate it.
But it's not like I'm getting my hyping up because my peel box is
not filled with top writers. You're not famous.
Yeah, it's all hypothetical. I know that's true.
I don't know but. What I'm saying is like that's
that's not even something that really happens that much
anymore. I think it's just such a
different landscape. I feel like it.
Doesn't work then on a mainstream level like what I
mean is if you guys were you guys put out a couple features
right that I'm that I could see at AMC 14 or whatever over here
by and I was like, I could see these things right And then your
next move. How do the scripts get up get to
you? I I actually don't know this.
But if you if you look at people, let's say one generation
older that are slowly starting to make it into a more
mainstream room, we think about Eugene Kotyrenko, we think about
Sean Baker at a huge scale. You see these people who they
never got that push. It's not like someone's doing
them a favor whatsoever. It's you make a movie and then
you make them more and then everything you do, you do
yourself. But every time you just take a
step one step further and eventually we don't know what
the future holds, but eventually they were able to make their way
up that way. It wasn't like someone saw red
rock and it was like, you know what, let's give him a budget.
Like it was still the same sort of struggle every time.
And of course, the scale that he's working at is massive
compared to like me. I can't speak for Jay, but like,
for me, like I, I spend a fraction of that money at the
same time. It's like the the attitudes, the
same, the attitudes like I'm not going to wait for anything.
I'm just going to make them, you know, and there there is a way
to live. It's not just about being poor
and making like, incomprehensible movies for the
rest of your life. You really are trying to make
something better every time, but there's nothing you're waiting
for. It's just like whatever success
comes with it, whenever you can get from it, is is is just that.
You're. Saying you don't have the
opportunity to do the bullshit. Well, that's the thing.
Yeah, it's I, I can say I'm, I'm very, you know, like, Oh no, I
would never do that. But like no ones going to come
to me with an an Adidas ad. You know that's not how we.
Establish you do Doctor Strange 3.
This is a guarantee I. Had such a fantasy when I
watched season 4 of Entourage. I I've talked to you guys in the
chat. I would love to have been like,
hey, man, I got fucking, you know, how much is a movie cost?
I got $250 million and I want this done.
And I give it, I give it to DC, right?
That's what I would do. I would give it to DC and
everyone's like, why are you picking that guy?
I'm like, no, I I fucking believe in this kid, dude.
I fucking believe in this kid. And I'm like just, I'm just some
like guy who just got lucky, you know, with his dumb podcast and
it got huge or something like I I just get, but I want to dump
my I want to save movies. That's why that's why I'm
picturing this. I'm creating a guy and I I give
DCA bunch of money. I was going to say.
I I hope I get like a fraction at least of what you're planning
for DC. I don't think you're going to
like the second-half of this story.
This is why I'm accepting you of it.
So and then I just hound him to death about it, you know, and
I'm just like, it's got to be this way.
But I'm like kind of nice guy about it.
And I'll be like, let's see what you got.
Let's see what you're see what you're working on.
Just a cut. Let me see that first cut.
No, dude. And then you get the classic
Billy Walsh driving away on the motorcycle with the fucking
thing around his neck and and he's like, he's skating away
from me and running away from me.
I would love that. I say it's a fun fan.
That's why I wouldn't do it to you.
Low risk. I don't think would be very
funny if I did that to you. It would be way funny if I did
into DC because he would be like you can't watch the first cut of
Doctor Strange 3. But yeah, it's such an old
system like this doesn't happen. I do.
Rich people even like movies anymore.
Is that real? I, I, I actually don't know.
I'm asking all these genuinely. I have no idea how movies were
and I'm not even yeah. Yeah, I'm not like contradicting
or whatever. I just feel like, you know, in
the 70s you're like an oil magnet.
Yeah. And, and, and it's like, yeah,
let's let's do some pictures, you know, let's watch the the
movies. But now it does not seem like
that's the case. Probably would do much better as
an artist, you know, as like a installation piece type guy
where it's like, Oh yes, we have this, this, this, this, you
know, young talent from the, the, the streets of Ethiopia
and, and, and that's, that's where the money is now more than
movies. I feel like movies are just like
a different thing, man. No one, no one cares about them
as they used to. At the same time, there's a very
big resurgence of people treating films seriously where
it's like young people being like, you know, so, so it's,
it's, it's different. I, I, I, I don't know, I can't
speak to it, but I don't really care.
That's that's the main point. Not that I'm like trying to
brush their brushes away, but regardless of what the audience
is like, I'm doing this is that's sort of the way it is.
You just pointed out something kind of interesting that I feel
like. OK, I've already brought up the
idea of an Entourage resurgence a couple of times.
I do feel like if they brought this show back now, it would be
tailored to a different audience because of that exact reason is
we were talking about the nerd culture before.
Well, nerd culture has been replaced by film culture, so
it's the letterbox. Hey, you know, I buy.
I wear the Criterion T-shirts. You know, I actually love
vinegar syndrome most. Though if any in the Criterion
Closet would be an episode. Absolutely.
Yeah, it. Would.
The idea of it's good, but I bet it would suck.
You would get like the Paul Schrader jokes and in references
and Safdie Brothers style editor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it would be like the version
of the studio, but kind of real. I get like the New York version
of that, which is something I would, I would, I would watch
it, but I wouldn't like it as much, you know, as you know, and
the system that's existing during Entourage is very like,
if you make your independent film, you make your like, I'll
say Brothers McMullen is one from the 90s, right?
That got that director. That was the Ed Burns.
Ed Burns gets into the system because 20th Century Fox, their
indie film division, puts his movie out, and then suddenly
they're like, all right, well, this kid has potential.
He'll work for cheap. Let's give him all the scripts
we've purchased over the last year.
Take your pick. We have this actor who's
interested in this one, this one over here.
Da, da, da, da, da. You know, there's all these
internal politics that do exist, but it's just it's receded so
much more and it's not as readily available to people who
are on the outside. Like Sean Baker is probably
being offered Warner Brothers movies or something now, you
know. So I, I think the big thing here
is if you do get that opportunity to take on a
blockbuster, if you're operating on my level or D CS level or
anybody who's working with like, frankly, just like less than
$100,000 on, on your project, I think you have to take it.
I mean, obviously not painting broad strokes here.
There could be stipulations to that.
If someone's going to be a big pain in the ass, it might not be
worth it. Might make you want to quit
filmmaking. Like me chasing him down of
Doctor Strange Three. Yeah, absolutely.
But if you can, if you can deal with that and you can get
through it, you know, you can come out better for it if you
keep your ethos intact. But a lot of these guys do not.
And they go, wow, I really love living in a big house in this
gated off area. And I want to do like three more
of these and maybe I'll then I'll get back to my, my actual
filming. And then they never do.
So you, you see all these directors from like the early
10s of filmmaker 20 tens of filmmaking who made like one
really interesting or one really stylized feature.
They got sucked up into Disney and Warner Brothers.
They do commercial films. And now it's just nothing but
that. So I, I, I personally believe
that you got you the, the most important thing to avoid as
somebody who makes things is stagnation and getting caught in
the same loop, the same spiral. You're doing the same thing over
and over and not yielding any new results.
You have to shake up your environment every so often, just
in some way or another. And something like that does a
terrific job of doing that. So I would probably be in for
Crazy Rich Asians too. Nice.
But nothing but that. I have a good idea for Entourage
reboot just one as a one off, like kind of the one off
episode. It wouldn't sincerely could not
make a show about this. But Johnny Drama's back, right?
He's getting older. Obviously.
I don't know how old Kevin Dillon is now, but I I guess
he's close to 60 years old right right now.
I would guess so. He gets a job with Ryan Coogler,
A new Ryan Coogler movie man. I had to.
Sorry, sorry. I had to bring up Ryan Cooler
somehow. I'm very happy you did.
Let's so so yeah, I know. Trust me, I I saw it too.
The I saw sinners, but. You weren't a fan.
I fucking hated that. One.
Yeah, me too. But anyways.
Anyways, but let's say he does another like racism period piece
or something, Brian Cougar, but he casts Johnny Drama and Johnny
Drama's like an old racist guy at this point in the movie.
But he's looking for work. And then what Johnny Drama does
is his whole thing is he's a polished actor and he's been
there before. His stories are the same as
Vinny Chase's stories. It's all the same.
He does all these false equivalencies.
So he goes into so a good episode would be him putting the
N word into the script like saying it like he's like, well,
that's what my character would do.
And that would be a good episode of Entourage in the current day.
Because you, when I watched Sinners, I'm like, damn, these
guys are not racist enough. Yeah, he could be a racist cop
in Fruitvale Station 2. Fruitvale Station 2.
Yeah, Yeah. I don't think there was.
Something that happened in 2020 that Ryan Coogler could make a
film about. I'm not going to say what, but
you know. Fauci dude, no.
That's Clint Eastwood. That would be Clint.
Eastwood. 'S final movie will be Fauci the
movie Denzel Washington. Is Fauci.
Yeah, dude, that's gonna be so sad.
I I actually I want to see this is nothing to do with I I got
confused by your example and I'm sort of lost here, but I I want
to. What are you lost on?
I'll be happy to explain it to you.
I've thought about this a lot. So Ryan Coogler Bugler is making
a new movie, and he's going to. Cast in Entourage.
In in Entourage. Sure, sure, sure.
And he's going to cast Johnny Drama.
As as like a racist bar owner or something that's like a period
piece or. Something.
It's a. Short thing, so drama like
probably doesn't even have a line or anything, but he's like,
he's like I'm so into character. He like calls Michael B Jordan
the N word or something. Oh, he doesn't as.
He's like, this is what my character would do and it goes
like viral for him being like racist or something.
I think it'd be really funny if he's like totally in his
character, even though he's like, not that type of guy.
Like I think it would be a fun. It would be a fun experiment or
something. I don't know.
I don't think you can base a season off of that, but it would
be a fun one off Entourage. Reboot.
What is this like a deconstruction of what it means
to be an? Actor, you know what this is?
This feels like a plot point that doesn't come up like that
does come up on the show, but we never see.
It's just like we're picking up an Entourage now and Johnny
Drama has been cancelled and This is why.
Yes, yeah, yeah. Like a even a flashback in a
situation or something. Like Vox Lux Vox Lux has ruined
this man's brand. You want he wants to do this
again. It's the same thing.
Natalie Portman did some weird stuff I just bought.
Tickets to the in person Q&A with Brady Corbay today for Vox
Lux So. That's six let.
Me sneak in. Let me sneak in with you.
I got some questions. Yeah.
Oh. Glenn.
Glenn, actually. How'd you gain so much weight,
Brady? That's going to be my question.
I mean, my thing is, you should be if you're getting fat, you
should be making better movies. Yeah, fair enough.
Wait a second. Didn't.
OK, this is crazy. This might be completely false.
Wasn't the next movie that Brady Corbett was doing supposed to be
like a black Asian Western? Is it?
Isn't that exactly?
The Rush Hour 4. Hapa goes West or Shanghai?
Shanghai Hapa Knights or something?
Fantastic bits fellas, but that's real.
I'm pretty sure that he's doing a black western Chinese.
Western. Is this a bit?
I've no, no, no. No, no.
You guys like I follow what Brady Corbett next movie is?
The Sinners prequel. Yeah, dude, haters are secretly
fans. That's what I learned.
The biggest? So you're a fan of Brady
Corbett? You love him, all right.
Got it. No.
But Brady? Corbett next movie guys.
This is important because if he that would be a good thing for
Entourage. The new season, Brady Corbett is
making sinners and at the same time Ryan Cooler is making
sinners. And you have the Dueling
Studios. Bob Ryan wrote the script in
1977, and it's just been sitting around.
Yeah. And so who do you give the
release to? It's like a fail safe and Doctor
Strangelove situation where both the movies are based on the same
book but you don't know which one to release.
Of course you got The Prestige. You would you would go with
Coogler. He's got the prestige, but then
got Corbett. Corbett hires Vinnie Chase
Coogler hires Johnny Drama. And they haven't spoken, They
haven't spoken for a while, 'cause they both been so busy,
yeah. I think we're writing everyone.
Everyone proves my. Idea.
But look at what it gives fucking all this inspiration for
No, no, no. But oh, great bit Glenn.
That was so fucking funny. Yeah, guess what?
Guess who comes up with an episode of Entourage?
Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.
It was. First of all, I'm Eric.
Murphy. I'm fucking Eric Murphy.
Thankless job. Go home to Sloane, have a couple
of hours. Yeah.
What's your best E impression? You know, go.
Fuck yourself, dude. This real voice now is insane.
Like I, I, yeah, yeah. He'll be like Adrian, you know,
I mean, we was on set and and I was like, Adrian, we'll come out
of his trailer. By the way, I love the trailer
scene, by the way, where Johnny Drama's jacking off in the
fucking trailer with Ed. The Ed Burns movie is a is a
classic, by the way, I forgot to bring that up.
But anyways, yeah, I Eric, I can't do an Eric Murphy
impression. I and all these guys are tough
to do impressions of. They're kind of tough.
They're not as cartoonish as you think when you try to do it like
they don't stand out. It's more of a facial expression
thing, which I I also can't do. But the Kevin Dillon you'd have
to do like the facial expression, you know, and all
and all that, but. Maybe it's because I can't do
them, but impressions suck. Usually like 95% of the time is
like, yeah, I mean the shittiest thing you can do.
I think you have to have it in your mind that you're not
perfect at like that. Like I think the people that
pretend that they do like, like you see the YouTube thumbnails
like vocal instructor nails Mississippi accent and like, and
she's like I said, window instead of window or you know,
it's like that's like those are huge on YouTube.
And but when people just like it's still there, it's like when
you South Park style it where it's like you can tell it's Trey
Park. You can tell it's it's Matt
Stone, but they're just doing a voice.
I think those are better I. Don't know.
Yeah. I mean, if you look at SNL, the
key to a successful impression on that show is just making a
cartoonish, not really anything like the real person version of
that. Yeah, yeah, well, it's like and
and then the my favorite cop out and I've I've said it before on
the show, but it is a cop out because you think about all the
times this is just not true is where they say, well, to
impersonate somebody you have to like them.
I'm like, dude, you used to impression of my boss.
Dude, I fucking hate that guy and I nail it.
It's fucking so good. It's.
Basically bullying, right? If you're doing an impression of
someone, it's like. It's not respect, you're just
like. Yeah.
Yeah, I think I, I think when you do it like long form, like
like, you know, 'cause you the, the 2 ones you think about is
Alec Baldwin versus Shane Gillis, Trump, right?
Those are the 2 ones where like Shane Gillis is a little more
apologetically. I don't think he's a Trump guy,
but I think he's like, not as not not like Alec Baldwin,
right? Like I I don't where Alec
Baldwin's sucks in my opinion, like of Donald Trump, like I
don't think it's very good at all.
Like I've never understood. I I was sent so many clips by
family members of epic Alec Baldwin impressions.
I thought they were. Terrible.
You know the guy they have on now on SNL used to do like a
terrific Trump impression when it was audio only now that they
have him performing and he's got to wear that like turtle face
that looks nothing like Trump. He he blows now at.
Trump, and you probably just shouldn't.
Like, impersonating Trump nowadays is just like kind of
tough to like, find something new that's really exciting about
that. And, you know, like, it's just,
I feel like that day passed in terms of that.
But Season 4, Season 4, will we wrap up guys?
Season 4? Yeah, What is season 3?
Any thoughts? You love it.
I would love it. It's funny though, because it's
like, it's funny because it's just like, it's just like
background noise to me a lot of times.
And I realized how like I watched them and then I'm seeing
these episode tiles. I'm like, what is that?
But I watched it. Sorry Ari.
Vince goes shopping for a new agent with the gang.
Ari tries to stop Vince from getting that new agent.
I don't remember this. One, I like the I like the five
towns billboard, but that was pretty good Where where where
the five that where he's constantly sitting in the
background and seeing if people are looking at the Billboard.
I I like I like the idea of like a actor who's actually way more
popular than Johnny Drama like that was doing that and that's
in the show. You know, who's like actually
like Kevin Bacon or something, You know, like somebody who's
like a little bit more of a household name doing that and
then they're putting that in as a Johnny drama.
But I thought that was pretty good.
Nick Rubenstein. That's the We didn't bring up
Nick. I do like Nick Rubenstein a lot.
That's Adam Goldberg's character, right?
Yeah, and the, the Yom Kippur episode's pretty damn good too,
where they're trying to broker a deal on Yom Kippur, but they
the, the more, the, the more higher up they need to go is
like the more Orthodox the Jewish man.
So he's like, absolutely not talking today.
Like that was that was pretty good.
I don't know anything about Yom Kippur, but I get the idea.
You can't use a phone. So that's that's the only thing
I know. As far as season 4, I got to say
they really made Adrian Greener look like the lounge singer.
That would be Andy Kaufman's double.
What was his name? Do you guys know what I'm
talking about? How do you explain Pablo
Escobar? Yeah.
OK, I went to the fat suit or not that stupid, but yeah, yeah,
yeah. That's, that's funny.
Sofia Vergara is pretty funny because it is funny to see a guy
like Billy Walsh squander all his integrity over pussy.
That was pretty cool. That he does and embarrass as
well, which is so funny. That's a good one.
Yeah, the. Same principle, yeah.
That's true. Yeah.
Yeah, that's true. He does because that's E right.
He kind of. No, what I mean is like, he's
really Walsh also was like, I've seen all the scary movies.
Yeah, I'm a cinephile. I've seen everything 20 times or
whatever. He says that.
That's pretty good. Yeah.
And the, the, yeah, the Anna Faris.
Well, I like the the part where Anna Faris is on set and her
like boyfriend. I don't know if he's like the
director, like ADP or something. I couldn't, I couldn't remember
what it was. But I like when he's date when
he dates a New Girl, all all her boyfriends looked like versions
of him like cuz Seth Green was the Sloan's ex-boyfriend and
they're all just these like short red headed guys.
I like that. I like that idea cuz I and they
get intimidated cuz they he looks like them too.
Which I that's AI thought that was pretty funny.
Seth. How much money does Seth Green
have by the way? He has a shit ton of money, huh?
Well, of course, if you if you listen to Isaac Cappy, he's got
a basement full of child slaves, so enough money to afford that
and. Who is who is Seth Green?
I mean that not even ironically. I know him from the show but I
have no idea what he does outside of.
Entrepreneur. Family Guy, Adult Swim.
He had that Robot Chicken. Yeah.
Austin Powers. He's probably best known for
producing a bunch of animated series now, but back in the day,
it was Austin Powers, it was Buffy.
He was in it, the original TV movie.
That's right. Yeah, He played Richie in that.
So that's right. That's funny.
He's got a lot he's got. He's a very eclectic guy.
Yeah, but I just mean all that adult.
I wonder how much that Adult Swim money, like actually
accumulates into. I'm sure it's a shit ton.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know because I know
Robot Chicken was huge like. Man, that's a show I've never
seen, but all the kids in school loved it.
Yeah, it was huge. I, I, I'm Adult Swim.
I don't, I didn't really watch a lot of Adult Swim, but I didn't
watch a lot of TV period. I, I didn't see Entourage around
that time. I was just like not watching TV.
So that it was yeah, I like I like the the premiere or I guess
the first episode of season 4 when they do it like you said,
Tropic Thunder style. I think low res is.
What you Yeah, it is so Tropic Thunder before Tropic Thunder.
Is that was that before Tropic Thunder?
I believe so. Tropic Thunder is 2008.
Yeah, so you get that. And it's a documentary Hearts of
Darkness style vibe to it, where Billy Walsh is holding this
witch hunt to find out who's fucking Sofia Vergara.
He thinks it's that one fat Colombian guy.
I love that. Part.
He's like a gaffer, yeah. Oh, God, Billy's great, man.
Yeah, that's that. That one's good.
And yeah, what was it? And then Johnny Dramas got his
Five Towns hat on. He's like, I can't contractually
can't be in this movie. That's why I wasn't offered a
part because I'm in. I have a hit series on NBC, the
The 55 Towns. Yeah.
I always want to call it Four Brothers, but that's a actual
Mark Wahlberg movie. But yeah, that was that was
good. Any other thoughts on Season 4
guys? I mean dude, Cam come on.
No can do within the Cam kids. Those are the.
Two Well, you're the I you're the one that has to tell me
about Cam Mr. I've just went there.
No, I've never been to Cam DC spill.
Not just have I been, I was there in an official manner.
Don't just I'm not a tourist, OK?
I was. I was.
There you are you suffering from imposter syndrome right now
Because nobody said you were. Actually, I'm very important
there. Yeah, Everybody near me.
I saw Emily Ratajowski there that that was an Entourage
reference. Oh, I thought you did.
I was like. Oh no, I, I, I did see her.
I did see her, but I just, I know where her from entourage as
well. All these people, lots of these
celebrities, I don't know from outside.
I'm not like. I know her from naked pictures
on Twitter. Robin Thicke.
You know Robin Thicke. Classic Robin Thicke.
It's been a while since he's been famous, right?
Yeah, she was. She was in he.
Was he? Was not allowed to be famous.
Yeah, he was not allowed to be famous after a certain point,
right? Gone too soon man, you know.
There was like a sex counselor at my school.
Did you ever have those? Was it Robin Thicke?
No Robin Thicke related, but did did you guys have that like sex
counseling? It's.
Not no, not really. I mean, we had like, what was it
was called family life instead of they they took sex education
out because I think liberal California.
But around that time they they called it family life, but it
was still like sex, you know, I'm still talking about the same
old thing. But yeah, we didn't have a sex
counselor. I don't know what that what it?
What is that? I don't know what they're
called. Yeah, it was, it was in French.
So I'm doing rough. Does he coach?
It was tough about like how to
put a condom on a banana and stuff like that.
Was this just some guy that invited you in a little portable
by yourself? Yeah.
I got a private. Course and everything it was
fun. I'm still you're you were the
best one at the talk earlier, so we just wanted the.
That's a great movie, by the way, Mysterious Skin is really
terrific. I've.
Never seen it. I've never seen it.
That's Mama Mia. But anyways, about that the only
thing, the only reason why I bring this up is that basically
she turned this into like it's supposed to be sex cows,
whatever sex education and she turned it into a, a, a covert
political sort of jihad. And and basically she was just
like the most vile, sexist thing I've ever seen in my entire
life. Is that song by Robin Thicke
Blurred Lines? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because it blurs the line of consent and it's such a
disgusting song, but I won't get too far into it.
And then she stopped herself. So that's that's what I remember
of. Of yeah, Blurred Lines was like
the original TDs for that era, you know?
Right. I forgot all of that because and
then like there was like a woke thing about it where he was
stealing Marvin Gaye's song. So it was like the whole white
guy stealing a black guy's because it's a.
Hard seeing his dad. His dad was doing that.
His own pain. Growing pains the goat, dude.
Yeah. Heck yeah.
You kidding me? He was Canadian, right?
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that.
Yeah. RIP.
He loved Alan Thicke, man. Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was that that. But yeah, that was.
Who was on Growing Pains? DiCaprio.
DiCaprio was part of the pussy Posse with Kevin Connolly, Eve
from Entourage. Look at.
It's all. Yeah, that is funny that that
Kevin Connolly was like they they talk about him like because
he's with like Wahlberg and DiCaprio and stuff and it it's
like, was he the guy going the most ham, you think?
Because, like, he was not the biggest star.
I don't think so. I mean, have you guys seen Don's
Plum? No, there.
Don's Plum is horrible. It's a horrible movie, but
there's a very interesting documentary the New York Post
released on the making of it and how Tobey Maguire's like
Rageaholic, who got these guys blacklisted and turned DiCaprio
on them. It feels very Entourage, I would
say, you know, it's almost mandatory viewing for this type
of thing to get like the greater context of what else is going on
here. Yeah, yeah.
Interesting. But can't.
I'm sorry, can't. Yeah, I can't.
You went to can. So obviously Entourage Medellin,
they're trying to sell Medellin before anybody's seen it, But
then they're like, no, let's screen it.
They can't. They keep basically, they keep
not knowing when to when to hold them right?
Like they, they, they really it's it ends up being a bad
movie because that isn't the joke.
I don't know anything about can't.
Isn't the joke that everything gets a standing ovation?
Yes. So that's.
That's and they don't get, they don't get that at all in
Entourage. You can usually it's like by
Cannes is very funny in the way that this is very childish
behavior. Like it's the most prestigious
festival in the world, but you'll have films like Only God
Forgives where people just walk out.
Half the room walks out. The rest are standing
ovationing, you know, ovating, standing, but the rest of like
half the room leaves. And these are critics and top
industry people. So it's very interesting how
they they're babies, basically the goo Gaga babies.
And even when I was there, people were were laughing,
looking at weird spots for the premiere of the movie.
I was there for there. There's like a guy just texting
in the theater at Cannes at the world premiere of this movie
that by by the way, I don't know what it's like to be a Cam for a
bad movie because the one that I was there for won the Palm.
But it's all right. Don't let you know.
We'll we'll talk about it later. But even for that, for that
exact thing, just to show you how much of A childish baby game
it is. Like it's just yeah, obviously a
ton of cool people, the best in the world, etcetera, etcetera.
And I really respect it. But you'll have just the oddest
contrast there. You know, like the huge theater,
everybody's dressed up, all the millions of billions of EUR, and
then you got a guy texting at the world premiere.
It's it's nuts. Well, famously, Roger Ebert
started singing I'm singing in the rain during the Brown Bunny,
right? So even a man of that caliber.
Really. Yeah.
Who's something in the water? Yeah.
During which part? Good question.
You know, I was getting Billy Walsh Vincent Gallo vibes when
he was trying to do the gay blowjob.
From he did remind that he did remind me of Vincent Gallo a lot
actually. Yeah, yeah, that was that was
definitely I could see him being like, I could see him MAGA
posting hard like Billy Walsh now, you know, like as like a
transgressive. Yes, this is all part of the new
entourage. By the way, Billy Walsh, he's
back. He is MAGA.
Defends Kevin Dillon who made a mistake saying the N word on
sinners, the sinners that might not get released.
Not the Corbett one. Yeah, yes, and so but then.
But Billy Walsh hears about it and is reflexively defending it,
therefore leaking parts of the Yeah.
Yeah, Billy Walsh is very like dime Square Peter Thiel funded.
He hangs out with like 24 year old girls.
Kevin Gillen is part of like the old guard conservative in his.
New movie? Yeah, I love it.
I love it. Absolutely.
I you know what? I could actually see that being
a storyline on a new Entourage because like you said, there
would the lines would be blurred a little bit, like there would
be a little bit of this Criterion closet and letter.
Oh my gosh, My son Ari Golds son didn't put Vinny's new movie on
his letterbox. Top ten this.
Year like just bullshit like that.
What do we have? I mean, that is kind of funny
actually, but. I suck, but I disagree, man,
because like, it's, it's not going to happen because you
don't have young writers, You don't have a lot of young.
I don't. Think it's going to happen
regardless but. It's going to happen in some way
or the other because these guys can't stop themselves.
They got to they got to chew that the the bones of the
entourage, whatever the spoils of the entourage that's left
away. It can it might be a podcast
where they read the scripts. You know, that might be our our
fucking entourage comeback. But it is going to happen.
And what's going to happen is that they're going to try to do
the exact same things, maybe add like 2012 put like sort of
commentaries on, but not in a racial way or but not in the gay
way. Like that's sort of like.
And just like that, that is what that show is exactly is you
can't you have these hiccups still in 2025 where they are
doing that Because whoever's running HBO right now, their
priorities are in the wrong place when it comes to making
original programming. You wouldn't get an Oz.
You wouldn't get any of these taxi cab confessions.
You know, it's just sad state of affairs.
What's currently on HBO? I think White Lotus is the one I
know about White Lotus White. Lotus.
Hacks, which I have a guilty pleasure for hacks.
I think that's Max. That's Max.
Only it's not even on like the cable channel, like HBO I guess,
which that's a newer thing. There's all the way.
Yeah, I don't know what their big show.
Oh, the Pedro Pascal Bella Ramsey show that fucking is
like. Oh well, it's just the Bella
Ramsey show now. Yeah, that's true.
Oh, I'll spoiler alert, I didn't know that, but I I'm not going
to watch it. But yeah, I guess Pedro Pascal's
not it's the one movie he's not in anymore.
Is is that thing? So yeah, there's there's,
there's, there's. Jay does not like him.
He's very past lives coded, I think.
Pedro, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, he's in
material, you know, So it's, I mean, literally, yeah.
I mean, it's just a matter of he takes every single job.
The oversaturation is completely real.
He doesn't ever offer like variety in his performance.
He's not especially good looking.
It's just why I mean I I don't understand why he gets every
single role. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't know.
I think I, I, I still, I don't think I've ever seen him other
than Game of Thrones when he gets his eyes poked out, which I
didn't know that. I didn't know that was him.
I I didn't even know who that was.
People. I learned that now that that was
him and. Unfortunately, we know that
Pedro Pascal would be on new Entourage.
He would be one of the first people they would give for a
celebrity cameo. Is he on Ari?
Ari would like botch a dinner where he would like not want to
protect the dolls or something. And and and Ari would say
something would slip up and then Pedro Pascal drops him as a
client or something. I could see that.
Yeah. I I.
There's there's just so much on this guy, Pedro Pascal.
I I don't know where you you, did you like him anywhere there?
Was he good in something? I I've never.
Had anybody? I mean, really, I think The
Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent is probably the one I
enjoy, but everybody hated that movie.
People did not like that one. That's.
The meta movie with David Gordon Green.
Yeah. Well, I got.
I might check that out. But yeah, and.
I'm not just dropping a movie name here.
Really. Like what?
What was he so good in that he became the wunderkind?
I think it's the The Last of Us. They love him and and what's the
the Star Wars stuff? Disney Plus Star Wars.
That's why everyone really loves him, man.
The the what? Mandalorian.
Yeah, yeah, Mandalorian.
I feel like Mandalorian was the turning point.
That's what everybody. I think that's what like made
him, because now he's in the new Fantastic Four where they're
trying to make it look like a 60s thing.
So my, my theory here is Pedro Pascal came in right at the time
when they were like, we're done casting white dudes.
We're we're, we're very tired of white dudes.
We don't, we don't like masculinity, but Pedro Pascal
gives like enough of the masculinity, even though, you
know, like, you observe this guy for more than a second.
It's like, that ain't it? And he's not white technically,
even though he's like clearly European jeans.
And so he's the guy. He's been shoehorned as the guy.
We're going to have this guy. And I think that was why he was
a go to. And he managed to become part of
so many successful projects in the process, like The
Mandalorian and Last of Us. Yeah.
Last of Us, Game of Thrones, you know, there's enough.
There's enough hits there. I mean, there's a lot of shit
too. Like he was in Judd Apatow's The
Bubble. That's one of the most
unwatchable movies to ever be made.
Drive away dolls. I thought it was a fun movie.
Gladiator 2 not a good movie though.
Didn't didn't see it. I'm scared still as to watching
that movie. Yeah, no thanks.
I think that's it. Yeah, I will say about the can
part of entourage. I they how they get there is
awesome because a young Kanye. Yeah, back when Kanye West used
to wear pink polo shirts, like that is a completely different
time. That was like, this is like
College Dropout era, maybe late Registration era.
Sydney Pollack you didn't you forget because that that was
supposed to be the first ride. Sydney Pollack There was a
weight issue, FAA, whatever thing was happening that where
you couldn't get they, they it was a turtle or what some of the
turtle was probably going to be the odd man out.
Yeah. Or something, they couldn't fit
them all on there to get them to camp.
But then Kanye says fuck it like we're we're going to ball out
and roll. Because he's flying a 747 or
something crazy. Yeah, I mean, that was when he
was becoming a say how how skinny he looked too.
Man, it was crazy. Like I just forget what he used
to look like because he I don't know what he he, he just looks
insane now. And I'm not even trying to hate
on him or anything. I just, you look at him, you're
like the his jowls and stuff, Like he's, he's going to become
like an Orson Welles over some point.
Like a black Orson Welles kind of like, just swollen great
fuck. Man, Wells, we're back.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're back.
Yeah. So much word play this episode.
Oh wow, it's RC dude. It's what it's what happens.
DDC was like, I'm not going to do any word play because.
That's what Glenn. Likes, yeah, that's what Glenn
likes. I would never do that.
I I like, I like, I like the words.
OK, but anyway. What was that Napoleon Dynamite
ass moment that just happened to your?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Great movie. Fuck, my gosh.
I haven't seen it. Yeah, well, you were one when it
came. To picture I I might, yeah.
I think it came out in 2004 or something.
So yeah, that's. Anyways, probably probably not
worth revisiting. It was just a.
You know what's funny though? When that movie came out, it
came out and it was released in my opinion like very small
release and it it was one of the 1st movies that like the DVD
release of it was made it massive because I saw it it came
out right before school started. So I saw it with my buddy and
nobody was in the theater or anything.
And we were talking about how funny this fucking movie was.
We're like 1314 or whatever. And then and everyone at school
is like, that looks gay. I don't would never watch that
movie. It looks really stupid.
Then it comes out on DVD and they're like, have you seen this
movie? I'm like, you fucking bitch,
dude, I just told you how good that movie was the whole time.
So that I always, I always thought that was that was and I,
my aunt lived in Idaho and she would visit the house that they
the the Napoleon Dynamite house. You could just like go into it
has like that kind of lore. It was nuts, man.
Good times. I, you know, were they?
I don't know, but that was it was definitely a time.
It was definitely a time. So then what's the?
Point of this episode, are we are we coming to a big
conclusion or? What's the what's the point of
the episode? Yeah, I feel like, I feel like
we like Entourage. Is that a final review or
something like? You're the one that has the most
criticisms. Of it, hold on a second.
This is this is only Part 1. It's like getting to the middle
of the Brutalist and not. You're the one, Johnny Drama
sucks, actually. Actually, I don't want to
deconstruct this, but let me deconstruct it.
Vinny Chase is actually evil. And I'm like.
This well, Vinny Chase sucks is an actor I think in the in the
the realm of the show, and these people are pretty pretty vapid
and and bad. No, they're.
Not they're cool. I don't know if I'd say any of
them. Everybody they bring in outside
of the circle is worse than them, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you're in hell.
No, you're not. Who?
Who's the worst of them, DC? The worst of the guys.
Yeah, definitely just that power.
Rank. You got a power rink?
Your entourage cast. Oh, man, a turtle's the worst
for sure because he's got no juice.
He's got no, no, really, He's a disgusting guy.
He's disgusting me. He's got no creativity.
Johnny Drama. Johnny Drama sort of is evil.
I don't I don't like him. I don't like his face.
I don't like his speech. Vinny Chase is is just bad, pure
bad. Chaotic New Neutral, just normal
guy, Neutral evil, whatever it is.
Then after that, there's E. He's pretty evil that we have.
Who else? Who else?
Here, you seem like you're a big believer in the idea of
passivity being evil. Yeah, yeah, 100 per turtle
first. 100 percent, 100% because at least people are chasing
something, you know, if you, if you go and of course I
understand the Daoist point of view, you know this sort of
like, let it happen. Don't.
Don't try to push your way into. Try.
To earn, don't try to earn points on this show.
I bringing up Taoism. I, you know, I got the TTC on my
desk right here. What the hell are you talking
about? What?
What?
Stupid world is it where? Where Sigh has a control on the
world? Religions.
What what? What kind of evil world is it?
Where Sigh he. Would tell you that there is no
control of it, so you would you. You've assigned him that,
Therefore you're not. Therefore you're, Therefore
you're not the Dao. You're not the Dao of.
Course I'm not the DAO, yeah. Duh.
Who says I'm the DAO? Did I say I'm the DAO?
Well. You said you were like consuming
it and getting really excited about it and.
Brought up reading a book just like anything.
Just like you're not reading a book.
You didn't even get past Journey through the end of the night,
the first fucking page. No, it's, man, I can't handle
that stuff, man. You're probably like always
really good because the guy didn't resist, you know?
But, but I I don't think it's too good.
Yeah. The temptation of becoming a
doctor. He's a doctor, you know, like
what did. You look up, what did you look
up that that about journey through the end of the night?
Oh, no, no, all the all the controversy I don't really care
about. That's not my no.
No, I mean, what do you think happened in that book?
I don't know. I I really, I read the first 2
pages. They're having a cafe.
Yeah, yeah, everybody says so. But The thing is now, whatever I
read doesn't mean I agree with it.
You know what I'm saying? Like the TTC, the TTC is just
the Amazon book I bought, just like anything else.
That's like king is what you're talking about.
That's 50 pages long, by the way.
Yeah, OK, got it. That's perfect length.
That's that's and TV stands a form that where there's like 3
lines of page. So you completely disagree with
it, which you can't by the way, you're actually not allowed.
Like, I don't think you can disagree.
With it, I think say I disagree necessarily.
I'm just, I'm, I'm agnostic about the TTC, but the the
point, the point being like in terms of Entourage, I don't see
how all, all these characters are not evil.
They're just bad. They're just bad guys.
No dude this is don't do the anti.
Thing I'm not doing the anti. I love the show, but tell me,
tell me about it. Tell me why they're bad guys.
They're not. Why?
Why are they bad? They don't do anything bad.
They're just they're not doing anything good either, and
they're just chasing wealth, OK? They're chasing all the worst
things that. Yeah.
They're they're chasing wealth, yeah.
That's why they're bad. What are you talking about?
No, no, I thought. There was more to that.
I was ready for more. To no, they're chasing wealth.
They're chasing, you know, they're, they're living in lust.
You know these people, these people are.
Doing 7 deadly sins of. On I'm not doing 7 Deadly Sins.
I don't I don't like anime. All I'm all I'm saying is these
guys are not good people. They're good.
What have they done for the world?
You know they make bad movies. You don't know that Aquaman was
bad. First off, it was.
You don't know that Queens Blvd. was bad.
No, that's actually someone I I want to see that one.
I want to see that one. If I.
Could you don't? You don't.
Know, but seriously, let's let's I'm not trying to do this weirdo
thing. Like what?
They're bad guys. They're not bad.
Why? They're they don't again,
they're they're if anything, they're they're nothing, if
anything, which is bad. No, it's not.
Nothing is bad. If your entourage was something,
they're usually destructive, by the way.
If that's what they are in this in this series.
They're not. How were they not?
They enable the absolute worst. You know the the worst behavior
is possible. But they but they don't.
Vinny's going to do all this stuff anyways.
Well that's just like give, give give your mom a hit of heroin
then. You know my mom's not going to
do heroin if I don't though. That's right, but if you do help
her, then you're helping her out.
In that way, then he is going to do then he's going to chase
pussy. He's going to he's going to be
really, he's not going to read his scripts.
He's he's going to do all of the things that he's already doing.
If those guys aren't there, he's just going to be a lot lonelier
and perhaps a bit more annoying and probably more outward with
his annoyingness rather than keeping it within the confines
of the house. If these.
Guys join Ms. 13 Then they're probably going to do their stuff
just like they are, but if you help them out, you're part of
the problem. Lo rez, are they evil?
I don't think anybody on Entourage is evil.
No, I think the only evil characters are all the women
that sleep with Vinny and Lloyd. Lloyd.
Is not evil. Lloyd's not evil.
Lloyd's the only good guy. Get out of here.
No, it's not true. There's probably other good guys
as well, but dude, these these guys are not.
I thought it was I'm. I'm not even saying that it's a
bad show, no. You're not.
They're not evil. That's a misread of this.
How? How are they not?
Jay, I need your input on this because Glenn's been telling me
all this Jabberwocky stuff about.
Listen, I, you know, I, I, I watched the full series when it
came out, but I would really need to see the rest of four and
where it goes and where it ends and where they pick up with the
movie to tell you. Because I think if it did wind
up circling the drain into this nihilist, hey, everybody's
washed up ending, which is not what happens with Entourage,
then I would probably agree with you.
Or if it came at the expense of like in a very significant way,
somebody's morality. But I do think that they
encapsulate kind of similar to the Sex and the City characters,
a lot of the most gluttonous traits that can be exacerbated
when you're living in one of these cities and going with
what's expected of you in these industries, right?
I think that's more transparent with Sex in the City because
they're, you know, it's very easy to demonize women for
getting passed around, getting used up, and rightfully so,
frankly. But with with Entourage, you
never see it go to like a point where you know, you have Aaron
Paul getting checked into rehab for his addictions because his
girl overdosed and somebody watched and knew what was
happening. You know you don't have that
moment. Does it happen?
Have you not seen Antrish? I don't want to spoil our 5 to
the 6th. That's the thing, I'm only
talking about seasons one through 4 though.
I can't I I may have a different answer our next talk.
OK. Well then look to be continued
because I don't remember that personally.
It's been 15. Years, seasons one through 4.
You cannot say they're bad people.
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't it just.
I'm sorry. There's nothing there to say
that I I leave plenty of room for that to happen of.
Course, I would say Turtle actually, you have a case for
Turtle in Season 1 because he is just not multifaceted at all.
Yeah. He's just a slob dude.
He's he's like a sloth, but not. He just doesn't have the he
doesn't have the the like chops and like bars to do anything
that's actually catastrophic other than like some bang up
someone's car. You know, just something like
that when you, that's what that's like the only guy that
can really like the guys that can really do stuff like E can
do something like horribly wrong.
And I he's only done a few things, but it's, it's all he
makes up for it usually and it's not, I don't think the stuff
he's doing is in like poor taste or anything now.
They're they're just man, I don't know how to say that.
It's very empty and superficial. These characters.
That's what that's what they are.
And that's another like that's. What I would say, I don't think
that they're bad people, but I don't think that they're good
people. I certainly don't I all these
minor infractions that are commonplace for Hollywood that
they do wind up succumbing to from this point.
Obviously we'll get into the later half.
I wouldn't say that they're bad, but they're certainly not making
a case of they're they're good people just because they happen
to have, you know, integrity as as long as it relates to their
circle only. And I'm not a moralist, by the
way. I'm not like, oh, but but they,
they suck, man. Like it's a great show because
of that. Like if, if they're a pious, you
know, Pontius Pilate, they, they wouldn't be flying high.
You know what I'm saying? It would just be.
Well OK, so so would they be? Would they be worse in Queens if
they all just stayed in Queens with regular jobs?
No, no, no. But all these hypotheticals
don't change the reality. You're right.
Now if. You're either a good person.
You're either a good person or a bad person.
I disagree. Yeah, but they're they're not in
Queens either, so they kind. Of no, they're not.
I just mean, if you're a bad person, you're going to be bad
at every socioeconomic level. You know what I mean?
Every stardom, every. I mean, yes, it can.
It can definitely intensify some of it when you're a famous star,
but that it makes it sound like Vinnie loses his soul or through
seasons one through 4, which he doesn't.
It's the same fucking guy the entire time.
Yeah, it's the same bad guy. And I don't, I look, I don't, I
don't, I don't want to keep the hammering your head on this, you
know? Well, you're wrong.
I mean, it's just, it's just wrong.
Actually I'm right because I. Don't think so.
You went, you go to Cannes and you come to actually a media
literacy expert over here. No, no.
No, no, it has nothing to do with all these talking points
that you love to bring up. You see this on X, You, you,
you, you, you watch Tuck on X and now you think, you know, No,
no, no, no. All I'm saying is these guys are
very super. These guys are like Pepsi.
They're Pepsi, you know what I'm saying?
They're like, they're like a can with some juice inside and they
use that juice up and sometimes they get refilled.
But. But they're not good.
A can of Pepsi is not good. They're empty as hell.
They're shells, you know, and that I'm not saying they're,
they're the worst. They're not Al Qaeda, you know,
but at the same time, they're not virtuous.
They're not, they're not anywhere near where a human
being could be. And you're right, it's they
could be poor in like that, but they're not poor.
So what does that even matter if if they were poor, they'd be
like that. That's not an argument.
What do you mean? It's like like you, you see this
like they remind me of just a of of a, a lucky friend group that
got big, but otherwise they were just like smoking weed on
couches playing Xbox and not hurting anybody.
Oh, so hurting people makes you a bad person necessarily?
Correct. OK, well that's a fun.
We we differ in that different definition for for sure then.
Your blast radius matters man. Like.
It's no, no, of course of course I'm not saying it.
If they were all also sucking the blood from green eyed girls.
OK like like big trouble little child.
Like, like are they're not roofing girls drinks?
Like they're not doing stuff again?
Does that happen later? Maybe?
I don't know, but it doesn't seem like.
A that's that's true, that's true, but they still suck as
people, you know, if you're smoking weed, playing Xbox,
doing the Xbox tournament, smoking weed.
I, I, I think you 2 just have fundamental differences of what
you consider bad. Like Glenn is coming from like a
more. I feel like a more maybe not the
word traditional is correct here, but I think that there has
to be some severity to whatever the action is you're doing
causing a negative impact. But DCI feel like you have this
more. It's an older idea of what bad
and good maybe that's come around and become a bit fresher
of trying to recognize like sloth as a as a negative, you
know, you're. Suffocating your ancestor,
You're suffocating your grandpa if he's.
Still alive. What would make like so?
What would make? What would be something they
could do to be good within the realm of of entourage?
Within the real that's that's I mean if you're in hell again,
you're in hell you're like in the pits and I I say this again,
this is my favorite show of all time I.
Love it. Get the fuck out of here.
Anyways, I'm cutting that part out.
Go ahead. No, no, it it really.
Is I love Entourage, you know, but it's disgusting.
It's like filth. It's like, it's like the ending
of Berlin Alexander Platts when you have all the whores and the
people just like slathering around.
You got the meat house, they're cutting people and then you see
that's that to me is is Entourage.
Of course there's all the cool stuff and the fun stuff, but at
the core it's rotten. You know, it's it's gross.
That's what I love about. But DC, is there anything on the
planet really that doesn't contribute to an eventual
decline in the person on the other end of it that you partake
in? Like you compared it to Pepsi?
Well, I mean, Diet Coke has done a lot of good for me personally.
Me too, I love Diet Coke. From my morale, but I mean.
Get off your high horse then fuck.
I but I but if. A person's Diet Coke.
I, I, I puke. I'm saying these people are Diet
Coke. These people.
Can't Diet Coke? Yes.
President. Yeah.
Not your president. You're president.
Dude, something else, man. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, but you know, it was, it was just saying like
these people are just like a product.
They're just like a factory line sort of assembly line type guys.
I love DC like as a drink. Where do you play?
Comes back to word play. Beautiful.
I love it. No, but no, but you know what
I'm saying? Like you, I I love this water
bottle because it keeps me wet, but at the same time, if a
person's that that sucks, man, like if a person has no has no
more depth than this water bottle, a person just shake a
fucking object with fluids in them.
That sucks. So you like the show because it
doesn't have depth? Is that is that?
Is there a? The show has depth but these
characters are super official. Interesting.
Yes. OK, I don't, I don't know that I
understand. However, there.
Is we don't need to spend more. Time however, there is a Part 2
of this coming up and I will come back to it because I don't
forget this shit. So we're gonna next one is gonna
be we're gonna watch Ari Gold the movie which I think exists.
We're gonna do that. I don't know, can I?
Share my screen Do you know Debrick?
Oh, was that what you were trying to do this whole time?
Sorry. It's in like a weird mode on the
bottom. I, I didn't, said John.
Boyega. It is.
It's a It's a Doug Ellen film. Oh why?
Why does all of his shit look so cheap?
Does he do the Photoshop posters himself?
He's got the you cut editor like John.
Ridley Yeah, this looks like a fake movie in Entourage.
Exactly. But so Doug Ellen is the
producer on this. OK.
Is that cash Pattel?
Sorry, but so this is one we have to see for sure.
Okay. Sure, Claudine Benoit.
Coming up, we've got seasons 5 to the 6-7.
Is there 8? There's the movie.
Right, the movie, yeah, which takes place.
But there's not 8. There's not.
There's 8 proper seasons, right? 7 OK, so 7 plus the movie.
They did the whole like Deadwood thing right where they just put
out a movie to to to kind of. Not as much of A layoff, but
yeah, there was like a good five or six year gap between the last
season and Entourage the movie. Got it.
OK. So we'll that that'll be our
next thing. So guys, TS Cam will be out at
some point. Don't promote my movie after
argument. Don't let.
Don't let an argument color you. We bring up Roger Eaver, but
nobody can handle an argument. I got it all right, Jesus.
As a matter of fact, Mass State Lottery, I think it's going to
be late July. We're going to have some
screenings in Boston, so dates to come and we'll be updating
the website. Very nice, very nice.
Lovely. Love to hear that.
Shout out to David Lee, Denny Junior.
All right, guys, everybody have a safe week to look at you guys
next time.