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Every five minutes. 
He's just like you know, 

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sometimes I just want to do some
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it's so funny. 
I love it. 

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Is any like, he just kept saying
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like a Libertarian Saya like 
every single, the way that he 

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frames it is like, it's great 
for work-life balance and it's 

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like, well, no shit heroines 
going to make work better. 

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You know, that's not what's 
really up for debate here. 

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But like, he seems totally lost 
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heroin, as a tenured professor 
at an ivy, is different than 

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some working Schmo making 30 
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opiates. 
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Oh like instructions, crazy 
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Like like I'm in construction 
and when you'll just be doing 

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like 10 to 12 hour shifts, 
you'll you'll just see a guy 

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like digging with an excavator 
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the morning. 
You're like, well, yeah, that's 

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probably not good. 
Yeah, and the guys, the guys 

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just like that. 
Loving it, man. 

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It's great. 
It's like, Heart wants the words

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heavy machinery Carl? 
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his goal. 
I mean I would not be surprised.

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I'm like so fucking sorry I 
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see conspiracies everywhere and 
it seems kind of like course. 

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Yeah. 
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useful. 
I think his ultimate goal is to 

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give big Pharma cover to frame 
drug addiction. 

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In back as a personal as an 
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not as an issue of systemic Rod 
so much mores. 

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This is this charming, dude. 
It's like killing it. 

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he's coming to it as like, 
what's this heroin? 

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You know, he's like he's going 
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Everyone else. 
Like he hasn't finished the 

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experiment yet. 
That's what other thing. 

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I don't like you trust science, 
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Wait. 
Till that conclusion to the 

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experiment, like yeah, we 
haven't gotten there yet. 

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So let's begin this two and a 
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Going, great. 
You know, that's getting yeah. 

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Similar systems that he's going 
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run out of jug and then just get
sick and he's gonna be all shit.

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I guess, I guess this is more of
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Dad bod Carl Hart. 
Stole my car radio the other day

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Jesus. 
Yeah, yeah 

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baby. 
I can't do that shit. 

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Broke either way, I think, only 
physically, Rockne crypto told 

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me. 
I should bring a Glock with me. 

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So I packed up my piece and I'm 
sliding slide because we might 

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get caught up in a riot, middle 
finger drunk little finger 

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biting. 
Fuck I love fucking right as you

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ride. 
Real love to see those rocket 

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can do politics, baby. 
We just talk from the birds to 

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the breaks. 
We be in a mix with that rare 

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candy. 
Paint job on a with. 

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Who you it. 
Well, okay, let's introduce Miss

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you, we have Adam leader here. 
You were here with Ben last time

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just solo this time, but system 
of systems since then you 

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started a sub stack correct? 
Yeah. 

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Safety propaganda. 
Hell yeah. 

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What's the meaning behind that 
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I was 10. 
It's from a piece of text from 

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JG. 
Ballard's crash about, it's 

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probably one of my bigger 
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but yeah. 
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crash into a movie, right? 
1906. 

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Yeah. 
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stuck with me during covid, are 
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idea that like, lockdown 
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things, it's like easier to sell
people propaganda under the 

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guise, has at them of them 
keeping safe. 

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It's no different than, like, 
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Patriot Act. 
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massive changes in political 
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the civil liberties are always 
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that they'll make you safer 
somehow and since people are 

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just like and liberals to or 
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of cocked cowardice that they 
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Line and Center. 
So the line Fine. 

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I was kind of I have like 12 
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to use and then that was the one
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like, the one that I should go 
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But the, the project itself is 
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turn it into a magazine. 
Like, grow it into like a 

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biennial or kind of magazine, 
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a space where I could because 
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a pretty sizable audience. 
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than most of the people who I 
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editors and that people kind of 
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space where I could publish 
people that I thought were 

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saying interests, right? 
Thanks and yeah, we couldn't get

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their stuff published elsewhere 
and I'm forgetting the guys name

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but when you because I'm still 
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But the Fascination article, the
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growing studies first off. 
I thought it was you. 

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I was like, I was like, well, I 
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Oh, hell yeah. 
But then I did. 

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the show pretty soon, I believe.
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It says, he's sharp. 
Yeah, really good. 

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Really, good articles. 
You're doing everything on 

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there. 
It doesn't like because I 

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thought it was just going to be 
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talking about Lockdowns time of 
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Stuff that to me, who I'm not an
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the world perfectly because you 
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everything else. 
It's not just look how much our 

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Dino you know. 
Look right. 

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Well you and your go ahead. 

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Sorry go ahead. 

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know, I'm in a music and stuff. 
I've never been like good crazy 

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visual art guy, you know, I 
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to like University, you know, 
and seeing like the stuff you 

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talked about about the art world
and about these cult, these 

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cultures that we live in. 
Now they're just all total 

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bullshit and like a facade for. 
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artist like talk about that shit
rather than being in it and 

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entrenched in it, I was like oh 
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you know, that's kind of what 
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there's so few people critiquing
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totally just, you know. 
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And I don't know, just that hold
Matrix of like You know, the art

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world and like Neo live 
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whole thing all conglomerate 
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to have a career like going 
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And sort of like biting my 

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tongue. 
You then I still ended up 

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getting fucked and you know. 
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It just became so obvious that 
to like take half-measures and 

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only say, half of what you think
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So fucking pointless because he 
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eggshells, right? 
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it's been like the last year and
a half that I've had this sort 

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of Built this whatever, this 
thing of mine and so many people

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that I know in the art world 
that I know are smart and that I

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know like hate this shit that 
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Yeah, I just wanted to like give
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could actually say it. 
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this to my friend yesterday, I 
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in Brooklyn. 
They're all on a pretty similar 

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wavelength is me but to varying 
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And I was talking to my friend 
rap about it and he was just 

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like telling me that he had 
heard these like bigger industry

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people out at a dinner. 
One night, talking shit about me

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calling me like a reactionary, 
whatever, but he said he could 

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tell from their tone that he 
knew on some level that the 

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content that I was putting out 
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Is the best content coming out 
like period and the shit that 

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people are talking about the 
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So, even the people that are 
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have kind of started paying 
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up. 
Respect, like I have like, 60 

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year old shit, Libs, Like, 
Walter Robinson, like old art 

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critics who no one cares about 
anymore, but still have lots of 

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clout like trolling me on my 
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because they Is no. 
It's like there's a, there's a 

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there's like a shift happening. 
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There's like, all these like, I 
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interview with my pal, the 
painter, Alexander hard, a 

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little bit. 
Yeah, I read it on the email 

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part of it. 
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the fucking most based artist 
interviews like I've ever read 

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in my life, like he, he, I 
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he was in answering those 
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More that shit happens. 
All of a sudden, the discourse 

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becomes kind of more heated 
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start to get more interesting 
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Alright, I hope so too and 
that's weird. 

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I know I said with the format 
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substance that was originally 
you came on here to talk about 

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to talk about some sub Stacks 
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Then we have some whole other 
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Well, you know is weird about 
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off, I love it, I love it. 
A couple of my buddies, I'm kind

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of in the sports world. 
On Twitter for football. 

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And a lot of these guys are 
writing for, like, really 

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archaic ancient blogs, their 
numbers are capped. 

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Like it's the same people that 
are going to watch watch it as 

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five years ago, nothing more no 
growth. 

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And they're kind of censored and
they're only making just a 

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little bit per article, but I 
have some guys who analyze film 

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football film and there, I just 
told him, I'm, like, certain 

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subset and it's cause it's like,
why I saw you? 

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I might just start one. 
See what happens. 

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You know, I mean, yeah, and that
now, they're in love with it, 

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you know, I mean, it's truly 
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Now, the downside Side of this. 
Is when you look at Greg Glenn, 

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greenwald's timeline, when you 
look at Glenn, greenwald's 

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timeline and we're Greenwald 
stands out. 

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Um, I think you like Glenn 
Greenwald to I boys. 

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Yeah. 
And heat, like, I just saw that 

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someone the other day, I don't 
remember the, the journalist 

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that said it, but they were 
like, and this blogger, Glenn 

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Greenwald. 
He became a blogger now, you 

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know? 
Okay, so obvious, I up. 

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Yes, not only that, like this 
was the kids crazy like, yeah, 

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they called him a blogger but 
the end he's just so good. 

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He I mean he is to online like 
aren't we? 

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All you know but like he he does
his own the fuck out of people. 

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It's so funny because yeah he 
was was it the guardian right? 

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Or have I think was the guardian
Glenn Greenwald technically won 

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his Pulitzer Prize with the 
guardian for the Snowden story I

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think fits. 
Yeah and yeah so this guy in the

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guardian you like hasn't done a 
shit is calling him like an 

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ineffective blogger calling the 
guy that that one that he won 

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their only Pulitzer. 
Rise in 200 years, they've been 

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going for 200 years and he comes
along, helps them win a Pulitzer

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Prize with the one of the 
biggest stories of the of this 

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Century, right? 
And then they're calling him a 

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vlogger like, you know, a couple
years later. 

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Yeah. 
Or however many, you know, it's 

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good. 
And it's so there's some. 

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Yeah, they're the most like, 
scared class of pmc's. 

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thing these modern journalists 
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a shame they must be to like 
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it was anything. 
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Tracy, Greenwald. 
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actual journalists left, but I 
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about leaf and what you think 
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that topic? 
We sang is dope. 

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things but he gets it. 
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like leap and Greenwald and 
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ish Gen-X left liberals that are
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can be counted on to defend and 
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the bourgeoisie these of the 
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die for like we we hate our like
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they're terrible but the fact 
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Revolution was fought by 
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I'd for the right to be able to 
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So it's not like, but and that's
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Greenwald and and Lee Fang in 
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socialism in any meaningful way,
but you can't have that 

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struggle. 
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Bedrock Defenders of the 
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been one, which is why I like, 
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it's so much more refreshing 
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have like anarchists socialists,
feminista Marc Thiessen, their 

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fucking profiles, who are almost
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you know, just yanari lives, you
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propaganda works and he's been 
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any journalist in in helping us 
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I'm saying, like, no, no, how 
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seen Fascism. 
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this because there are some 
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somebody Trump in the court on 
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leftover two counts. 
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left part of Twitter to because 
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want Bernie to win, you want 
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This should be cool. 
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there and they're like trying to
own Greenwald who's like arguing

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with a shit lib that they make 
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Oh, I'm like what the hell? 
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made fun of it's like your 
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like, look, like, I'm going to 
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political beliefs if I see 
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I You know, stepped in and I'm 
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they're obfuscating his role and
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this like so do you do you I 
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as where you've written for as a
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like that but like do you feel 
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like maybe some credibility 
doing a sub stack like the 

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independent model if that makes 
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anarchists DJ or whatever it 
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Like, oh, this guy's got an 
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I'm like, what the fuck do I 
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You know, like I do, I'm in a 
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I've kind of relished the 
antagonistic role. 

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I don't need everybody to like 
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I know at the end of the day 
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these people. 
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to know like spill too much, but
I've had personal interactions 

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He feels the same way, he's very
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Tracy, by the way, Tracy 
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shitpost like I mean he's a real
journalist but he really also is

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like that super smart like 
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just like an amazing poster and 
really has it like down to an 

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art? 
Yeah, that's right. 

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Well, Tracy is interesting 
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remember being because being 
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stuff and being a being like a 
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everyone's dunking on Tracy, 
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of, you know, you're just like 
oh yeah this guy's because let's

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be honest like Tracy's pretty 
easy to make fun of in a lot of 

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ways from like a like a nerd 
jock standpoint, right? 

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Oh yeah. 
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You know, the feet, the feet, 
the Tulsi, the feet, the Maxi 

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water. 
I call that. 

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Yeah. 
But after a while it's like, I'm

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I was like, wait these critics 
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Actually saying, anything, all 
they're doing is being like, Oh,

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bad, take, bro. 
Like that thing, you know, and 

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I'm like, he's actually like 
he's saying the stuff that let's

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be honest. 
Like a lot of us are thinking 

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that are cornered at that point 
at least was like, afraid to say

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it. 
He's more akin to the 

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conversations I here at like 
random places in life like where

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I'll just be somewhere and I'll 
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Class People talking. 
That's like though they're 

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talking about more of the 
Michael Tracy take than you 

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would. 
I don't know who some like woke 

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journalist is I don't read them 
but you know like yeah. 

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Yeah, something like that. 
That what, you know, like Tracy,

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like, so during the primary Ike,
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So I pretty much like I had the 
feeling that something was going

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horribly wrong with the Bernie 
campaign, like kind of early, 

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especially these feelings kind 
of coalesce for me, at his ship,

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my wife, Michelle and I went to 
the rally, he did in Long Island

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City. 
Oh, yeah. 

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And that was the one where AOC 
announced her. 

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Her endorsement. 
She gets up and does Her speech.

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And she's saying all this, like,
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environmental racism, blah, blah
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And I'm like, looking around 
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they going to sell any of this 
shit to, like your average 

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voter? 
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took a look around me and I had 
all these fucking dies a 

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Gaylords, like, with like that 
with like their braids, in their

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dreadlocks, like being like 
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Michael Tracy was like, saying a

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lot of this shit about the left 
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the primary like there's no 
centrality to the belief system?

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Like yeah. 
Are you guys like like the the 

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case for Bernie is like a way to
organize the working-class along

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class lines, get rid of the 
whoop, - that kind of shit, 

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right? 
But by the Tracy was pointing 

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out but that's not really. 
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You have these BLM people, you 
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Like, there's no kind of 
cohesiveness to what these 

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people want and that doesn't 
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presidential campaigns, and I 
was like, kind of trying to 

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suppress what he was saying, 
even though I knew he was right.

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I was like, can you please stop 
being such a prick? 

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Exactly. 
Yeah, but he was like a thousand

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percent, right? 
And after That kind of happened.

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I started taking it more 
seriously as a journalist. 

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Yeah, Michael. 
Tracy's whole Persona is the 

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Hannibal, Hannibal, Buress gift 
from like the Eric Andre show 

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where he's like, why are you 
blowing me? 

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I'm right. 
Like that's that's but but like 

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you said he leans into it 
because he knows there comes a 

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point where I tell certain 
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like we kind of had on the 
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Stuff is like our main focus 
with with this and like there's 

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guy Alex Berenson on, he's been 
on Rogan and he's kind of a 

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speaking out on. 
The vaccine clinical trials and 

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stuff like that. 
But he's kind of the same way 

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where I think he knows he can't 
go back some people. 

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Some journalists kind of like 
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like, yeah, I'm gonna gonna get 
into some edgy stuff here, but I

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still need to not burn my bridge
here but at the end of the day 

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that bridge is probably already 
burnt because you really hit. 

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Yeah. 
Oh yeah, it's gone. 

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So I like the way the Greenwald 
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Tracy leans into it, I like the 
way it. 

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Woohoo time. 
I Alex Berenson leans into it 

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because these did the lives and 
the left will never let you 

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forget, get any forgiveness for 
what? 

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You did. 
So it's you got to just double 

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down I made and there's like 
I've definitely burned every 

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bridge, but what happened was 
like I found an audience that is

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like a better audience like I 
got up, I got offered a book 

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deal. 
Like you know we got a pretty 

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big audience on the show and 
take the propaganda has got a 

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shit load of fucking subscribers
and like clearly there, you know

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you can't there's something 
about like this modern version 

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of liberalism about like 
likability and just like trying 

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to square yourself into Box that
kind of just like hits every 

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single cultural mood or 
whatever. 

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Yes. 
And but like, the cultural mood 

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is all liquid, like we're in 
liquid modernity. 

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Like there's no sort of 
centrality to like the structure

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of the system. 
So why the fuck would you try 

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and like, it's fake? 
Like, everything's a fucking 

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psyop. 
There's no point. 

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Like, I understand like 
financially people are probably 

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still afraid to torch their 
Lively hoods. 

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But honestly, I like aren't most
fucking writers. 

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Make it like, 28k like 35k here.
Anyways. 

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I yeah, might as well like. 
I don't know. 

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I'm, I'm a big believer in the 
idea that like courage is 

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rewarded in the long term. 
Yeah. 

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And I don't think if you're 
trying to be an artist or any 

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kind of creative person then 
making work from this kind of 

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standpoint of either famed moral
vanity. 

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Or conformism or cowardice is 
just going to you know your 

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legacy is going to have to live 
and die by that and I think 25 

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years from now when we look back
on this era we will probably 

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read history books like 
journalism became a fucking 

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psyop. 
Fucking tabloids bullshit and 

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then these heroic Freaks and 
every aspect of the media went 

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to sub stack and fuck shit up. 
Yeah. 

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That being said I don't think 
you know, I think sub sack is 

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probably vulnerable. 
Oh yeah. 

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Same sort of like Bourgeois 
State, both stayed in the long 

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run but for the time being it 
seems to be quite an excellent 

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platform. 
Yeah, I was going to say so you 

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know, we it's tough to do any 
kind of true free journalism, 

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right? 
Like it's tough because even sub

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stack, right? 
What I do see a lot of people 

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trying to regulate substep, 
right? 

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Like they're trying to I don't 
know if it's if there's any Real

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mass movement behind it as just 
Twitter stuff that I see. 

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But do you see some stack giving
in to it or do you think subset 

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will ever just be like nah. 
Fuck it. 

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We're just the we're the bad 
guys, you know, like where the I

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don't know. 
Yeah. 

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It is interesting to think that 
maybe like the company itself 

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has sort of the same mentality 
as like the writers who have 

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gravitated to the to the 
platform. 

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Like maybe they have this sort 
of like, angsty Outsider thing 

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that they want to play up that 
said just knowing how Ow Capital

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functions right now. 
It's financially beneficial to 

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them to be in these 
controversies in these 

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controversies. 
As soon as Financial interests 

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are being encroached upon maybe 
it'll change but I think what's 

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going to happen is like there's 
going to be a vacuum for it now.

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Hmm. 
So as soon as I like it's a sub 

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stack does like take down 
profiles like all of a sudden. 

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Nick land or mold bug kicked 
off, something else is going to 

449
00:25:00,008 --> 00:25:06,300
replace it like, you know, like 
people like these people are 

450
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,200
getting like massive audiences 
again and there's obviously like

451
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:17,900
a real kind of hunger for raw 
content and I don't know. 

452
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,200
I mean, how can anyone even read
the New York Times? 

453
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,400
So, it's all such a scandalous 
trash. 

454
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:27,200
I mean, Guardian is fucking 
satanic as far as I'm concerned.

455
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,600
Like, every kind of like, uber 
live tard, like, take sort of 

456
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,700
trickles down words from 
Guardian. 

457
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:42,000
Where it'll be like, what is it 
like other kins like other kin 

458
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,900
like what is that the word for 
people? 

459
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:46,000
Who think they're non-human or 
whatever. 

460
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Oh, the Tree the tree guy. 
Yeah. 

461
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,700
Yeah. 
Tree, tree song. 

462
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,700
Yeah, that's what I just said to
myself but yeah, other kin 

463
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,600
networks. 
Yeah. 

464
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:59,600
That was my first like maybe not
my first, but one of the big red

465
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:05,300
flags with Chomsky where he was 
like, you know, he's like yeah, 

466
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,200
I'm the manufacturing consent 
guy but you, you got to read the

467
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,200
New York Times, right? 
He's like, you got to read it 

468
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,600
for four hours a day to 
understand. 

469
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,200
And he was like, very serious 
about this, and he kept fucking 

470
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,200
psycho. 
Yeah. 

471
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,600
He's like, you know, you it's 
the best. 

472
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,700
You gotta. 
Out what's going on and like, 

473
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,900
apply your filter and like and 
then vote and vote. 

474
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:23,300
For the guy they say to vote 
for, you gotta do that. 

475
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,600
It's just an exercise. 
Yeah. 

476
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,700
So I was like, man. 
Doesn't add up here. 

477
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:29,800
Yeah, yeah. 
He's like JFK wasn't shot by the

478
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,100
government and it doesn't matter
even if he was and read the New 

479
00:26:33,108 --> 00:26:35,600
York Times and I'm like wait 
what like what is the fuck? 

480
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,600
Yeah this is like, what's going 
on weird man? 

481
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,200
You know my brother had a 
meeting with Chomsky once is my 

482
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,400
brother my brother's a city 
planner on Cape Cod and he had 

483
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,900
some like Yeah. 
It's some like academic 

484
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:53,100
questions for Chomsky when he 
was still at MIT and he went 

485
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:57,700
into his office and when was 
this probably like 10 years ago 

486
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,300
and then Chomsky black killed 
him on Israel. 

487
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,700
Nice guys. 
Yeah, because like my brother 

488
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,100
that point was still probably 
just like a shit lived, you 

489
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:10,700
know, like he hadn't thought 
much about politics but and he 

490
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:12,900
went there and he supposed to 
ask him questions about City 

491
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,900
Planning and chomsky's. 
Like forget about that. 

492
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,900
How do you feel about? 
My brother's like I don't know. 

493
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,900
I'm Jewish. 
I guess I support it. 

494
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,600
Yeah. 
It sounds like, you know, that 

495
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,900
they're all authoritarian 
dictatorship. 

496
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:29,200
My brother was like what and he 
was like, showing them stats 

497
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,100
about Palestinians, but that 
being said, fuck Chomsky. 

498
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:38,000
The guys, the guys are rolling 
politics is very obvious at this

499
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,100
point. 
It's, I mean, yeah, he's just 

500
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:43,200
like a, he's a towering figure. 
Of course, you know, and like, 

501
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,400
respect for what, he's like the 
Jay. 

502
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,000
He's like a jazzy of 
intellectual. 

503
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:47,800
Is there something? 
You know? 

504
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,700
I was like, all right, that's a 
great compare. 

505
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:51,900
Yeah, he's like, yeah. 
Yeah. 

506
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,800
He's a little soft like yeah. 
Kind of respects him anymore but

507
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,100
you have to when he's in the 
room kind of? 

508
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,400
Yeah. 
Probably wears flip-flops, you 

509
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,300
know. 
Yeah. 

510
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,500
And I said, I didn't like that 
last Jay-Z album. 

511
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,200
Everyone's like, what? 
You don't like hip-hop. 

512
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Yeah. 
It's kind of the same way if 

513
00:28:07,008 --> 00:28:08,400
you're like I don't know if I 
like Chomsky. 

514
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,900
Same Beau, Biden. 
They're like what's like you 

515
00:28:10,908 --> 00:28:13,300
think fascism is on the way? 
Like yeah. 

516
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:16,200
Yeah. 
It's not a narco live though. 

517
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,900
Yeah. 
He was really, really good at 

518
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:24,200
defining propaganda and like 
showing how it works but he was 

519
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,700
never really advocating for 
anything different to the system

520
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:31,700
as it already exists. 
And I think a lot of people on 

521
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:35,900
the left have really kind of 
lionized him as this figure. 

522
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Yeah, because he was quite 
courageous for a long time. 

523
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:40,900
Yes. 
Still has a few courageous 

524
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,700
stance. 
Has he'll still like support a 

525
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,900
fucking Holocaust deniers 
rights, it speechless. 

526
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:51,700
That he does have balls in a lot
of ways but he's also just like 

527
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,600
a paranoid old man who doesn't 
know how to look at what's right

528
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,700
in front of him anymore. 
And as, as he warned about in 

529
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:04,300
the book, then recuperated back 
into the same propaganda machine

530
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,600
that he defined in manufacturing
consent. 

531
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,000
Boom. 
Yeah, yeah. 

532
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,700
Kind of yeah, yeah. 
That's, that's the same thing I 

533
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:15,400
see with. 
But you said, like like all, you

534
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,200
know, Tom skill. 
Still defend it like a A 

535
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,600
coster's didn't write to speak, 
you know, or just anything. 

536
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,200
And like I saw the same kind of 
concept happening with 

537
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Greenwald, where green wall was 
like. 

538
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,900
Yeah, the people at the Capitol 
should still have like due 

539
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:29,200
process. 
The people that storm the 

540
00:29:29,208 --> 00:29:31,200
capital like shit saw due 
process people. 

541
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,100
Like what you think? 
These fucking animals should 

542
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:36,400
have this and then like again, 
when they're liberals saying 

543
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,200
this, I don't get that mad. 
When I say people that I 

544
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,800
probably agreed with on a lot of
things a year and a half ago, 

545
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,300
I'm like, what the fuck? 
But in my head, I think, okay, 

546
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,700
there are things that happened 
in 2020 So that nobody could 

547
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,900
have prepared for, you could 
have read a bunch of stuff, you 

548
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,100
could have read all this stuff, 
but it, when that thing, when 

549
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:55,500
the crate, when the biggest 
threat I've ever seen to the 

550
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,200
working class hits us like a 
covid lockdown. 

551
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,100
You know? 
I mean, or when the fucking 

552
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,400
Biden election, psyop, the 
happens right in front of your 

553
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,700
eyes and we've talked about it 
when we had crk on. 

554
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:09,200
If you can't diagnose this shit 
in real time, I have no 

555
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,500
interest. 
I don't want to hear about your 

556
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,800
your 5 episode patreon series 
five years from now about how 

557
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,800
this happened, you know what? 
When you support it at the time.

558
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,400
You know, I just, yeah, I valued
people like that Chomsky can't 

559
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,700
do it in real time. 
Like now, I maybe he was back in

560
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:25,900
the 60s, but I don't think. 
Well, that's honestly how I'm 

561
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:29,300
judging people now or analyzing.
I'm sure you guys are the same, 

562
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,700
you know, where you're kind of 
like, okay, who Among Us is 

563
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:33,600
calling the shit out in real 
time. 

564
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:35,400
How long does it take for 
certain? 

565
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,100
Because, you know, it's not, 
it's okay for it to take time to

566
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,200
figure stuff out and to grow and
totally. 

567
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,700
And but, you know, if you're 
like, it's like the fucking lock

568
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:44,700
down. 
But, you know, if you're if 

569
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,700
we're like month, 14 into this 
hole, Covid thing and you're 

570
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:49,500
like, wait, how this benefit? 
Big check. 

571
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,400
Like I'm a leftist. 
I don't get it. 

572
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,800
You know. 
Like any of your like, okay. 

573
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Why is Big too bad? 
I don't get it, I'm alive. 

574
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,900
Yeah, like yeah, it's like you 
have nothing to offer me. 

575
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,600
Think about that. 
CIA video. 

576
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,400
Let's get another transition. 
True podcaster right there. 

577
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,200
He's good at. 
Yeah. 

578
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,100
Yeah that's it was so beautiful 
man. 

579
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,400
I really think it was like the 
best artwork. 

580
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,800
The last like three years. 
Like everything that I've said 

581
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,400
for like years now about 
intersectionality just comes to 

582
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,100
life and that video. 
And the easiest way to pinpoint,

583
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:31,000
it's never been easier to 
pinpoint enemies because most 

584
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,300
people are people that we can 
consider Pals of Conrad's or 

585
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:39,800
whatever are the ones who are 
saying, told you this fucking 

586
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,300
lip tarde. 
Bullshit is just Security State 

587
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:46,200
propaganda meant to so dissent, 
amongst the ranks of the working

588
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,600
class, Bubba. 
Blah, blah, blah. 

589
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:52,400
And then the other people, the 
leftists who are lost in the co 

590
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,200
P. 
Mm, Dan are posting cringe about

591
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200
like they're like posting cringe
about how? 

592
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:03,500
Oh, just because the CIA has 
recuperated this language 

593
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:06,100
doesn't mean they mean it and 
I'm like, bitch. 

594
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:09,700
Do you think they're like, I 
don't think a CIA video is going

595
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,500
to be like, hey proletariat arm 
yourself. 

596
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,800
Kill your bosses. 
But, you know, they're there for

597
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,900
Like the diversity angle is 
obviously, just so useful to 

598
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,200
keep people confused in 
alienated. 

599
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,800
I was so happy about that video 
though. 

600
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,500
And what was I had another point
that I was just going to say, oh

601
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,600
shit. 
Did you guys just watch the 

602
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400
queue and on Doc, you 
docu-series know, my parents 

603
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,800
did. 
I've been I've been kind of 

604
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,800
scared to watch it. 
What is it on? 

605
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,000
It's HBO. 
Yeah, yeah. 

606
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,000
Well, you have my password HBO 
Max. 

607
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,500
Yeah, we're watching it. 
We're In it every week, my pal, 

608
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:52,400
Zach, the one who was on the 
yeah, hard at the soda of SOS, 

609
00:32:52,700 --> 00:33:00,000
he's a total sock freak, but it 
was really fascinating to me and

610
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,100
just while we're on this subject
of psyops, because it was like, 

611
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,800
it was not bad. 
This series, especially like a 

612
00:33:06,808 --> 00:33:09,700
good behind the scene stuff on 
the 80 Chen, guys. 

613
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,400
Like these guys are fucking 
MKUltra. 

614
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Yes, out of their mind, it's 
sad. 

615
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Yeah, yeah, it's fun. 
Echo, but the documentary 

616
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:26,600
totally failed to contextualize 
true and on for Q and on and 

617
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,500
true. 
Okay. 

618
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:34,900
Yeah, sure. 
Wise q and on as like an extreme

619
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,900
version of a tendency towards 
conspiratorial thinking, that 

620
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,900
it's become almost like 
hegemonic in and of itself, like

621
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,100
they're interviewing as their 
expert opinion. 

622
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,200
This fucking fucking dickweed 
from The Daily Beast, The Daily 

623
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,700
Beast. 
This guy's like talking a big 

624
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,500
game mode ruined on, or sorry. 
That's such a broad audience, 

625
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,300
laughs, and it's very fluid. 
And I like it. 

626
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Oh yeah, you and I on is like so
bad, you know, they're all, 

627
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,100
they're all sigh off. 
They don't know what to believe 

628
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,199
anymore. 
And it's like, dude, how do you 

629
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,500
feel about Russia gate? 
I guarantee you still believe 

630
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,100
that that shit is real. 
Like yeah, so It's made from 

631
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,300
like we're always sort of seeing
these things from the same 

632
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:23,000
perspective. 
So no one is really getting like

633
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,100
an actual kind of cultural 
reading of what's Happening. 

634
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:30,400
Yeah, that goes back to my thing
that, you know, we all indulge 

635
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,800
in various conspiracies to 
various degrees. 

636
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,500
Some of some of us more than 
others. 

637
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,199
I think of us on here are on the
higher end of the spectrum, but 

638
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,100
but, I mean, the point of 
spectrum? 

639
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,400
Yeah. 
But the, with the lives, like 

640
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,100
on, you're putting on your point
on the daily. 

641
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:45,500
Yeah. 
Daily Caller, right? 

642
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,900
Yeah, that fucking They pick the
lamest conspiracies like they 

643
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:52,600
always go like all in poker 
chips, on the lame ones that 

644
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,400
aren't real, you know, laughs, 
funny left parnas yeah. 

645
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,900
What about left parnas? 
Donald ignore ignore - yeah, 

646
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,900
they'll ignore like, the 80% of 
cool ones that have tin. 

647
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,800
You know, I have like a lot of 
like the Jones Ian ones, you 

648
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,300
know, that have tens of changes 
of Truth to them and likely some

649
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,800
of the dumbest fucking ones that
are spoon-fed of them by the 

650
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600
literal City. 
It's so yeah. 

651
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,700
Yeah, yeah. 
But it's it's I don't know. 

652
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,500
I need to watch that because I 
don't know because yeah, I'll 

653
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,300
talk with this like with my 
brother because he's really 

654
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:26,300
known species. 
But he's like this kubinashi, 

655
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,500
it's bullshit and like you know,
it is a lot of you know, they do

656
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,800
believe in that trumps not the 
savior of like, you know, like 

657
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,100
abused children. 
That's you know, that's that 

658
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:35,700
one. 
Well fly. 

659
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,900
That's what I was gonna say is 
like I actually have a hot Take 

660
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:46,600
On Cue and on which is that It 
might be actually a positive 

661
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,900
development in society and not 
that like, like these 

662
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,900
motherfuckers are obviously off 
the deep end. 

663
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,400
Yeah. 
But it's also an expression of 

664
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,800
like a masse realization amongst
people that they are being lied 

665
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,400
to exactly every fucking day of 
their lives. 

666
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:12,500
I actually have the exact same 
figure that it's like they are 

667
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:16,400
You know, they might be 
technically wrong but for the 

668
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
right reasons and not even that 
technically wrong on the bigger 

669
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,600
picture stuff, you know, that's 
kind of how it right when it's 

670
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,300
like, you know, it's not like 
it's not like a lip like Stephen

671
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,800
Colbert, will be after be like 
these cute on guys think that 

672
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,700
the people in power are abusing 
kids that crazy right now. 

673
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:34,800
He has to say that like on stay.
That's and he's wrong, of 

674
00:36:34,808 --> 00:36:37,100
course, you know they're right 
on that, you know, just for one 

675
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,200
isolated topic or incident. 
Yeah, but no I agree on. 

676
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,300
How could you say that with a 
fucking straight? 

677
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,900
Face won't. 
We just like Epstein just 

678
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:48,300
happened. 
Like yeah I'm so you know like 

679
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,900
it's saying like they're fucking
cultural memory. 

680
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,900
Yeah. 
Like longer than 2 days back. 

681
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,000
Yeah. 
But I was like guarantee like a 

682
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,000
lot of people in true and on 
will obviously get to the point 

683
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,600
where it's just ceases like you 
know because there's a libidinal

684
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,400
appeal are all there and they're
like oh fuck another q drop bro 

685
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,800
like it's sick it will get to 
the point where they'll be like 

686
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,400
all right none of this shit is 
Sense anymore. 

687
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,700
Yeah, let's find something that 
actually has more explanatory 

688
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:22,400
power. 
I guarantee I could fucking 

689
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,900
radicalize some like Q pilled 
says, I opted like alienated 

690
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:34,700
weird go to class struggle way 
easier than I could like with 

691
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:39,000
someone you know one of my 
neighbors and lip tar Queens 

692
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,800
over here. 
Yeah you should you should just 

693
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,600
drop a safety propaganda sub 
stack. 

694
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Lincoln the Acute message 
boards, you should just be like,

695
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,500
hey guys, I stumbled on this is 
a little left, I guess, I'd say,

696
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:54,700
maybe he's on the left, I don't 
know, but let's just get it on. 

697
00:37:54,700 --> 00:38:01,500
Yeah, it's not another guy, I'm 
just saying but yeah, let's get 

698
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,500
to that. 
I want to, I want to use our 

699
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:10,000
great Zoom technology to put the
CIA video on here just so the 

700
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,800
YouTube viewers and then maybe 
even the other listeners Can 

701
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,400
listen on here. 
So this is from, I love when the

702
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:20,000
oan guys post them, because 
like, they get, really, really 

703
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,300
fucking mad about that. 
But I even though they were 

704
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,400
probably like Pro CIA under, 
like other, Republican 

705
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,300
administrations. 
But yeah, it's very funny. 

706
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:29,900
Let's see here playing, I'll be 
right back. 

707
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,200
Yeah, go ahead. 
Yeah. 

708
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,100
When I was 17, I quoted Zora 
Neale hurston's how it feels to 

709
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,900
be colored in my college 
application essay. 

710
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:41,800
The line that spoke to me stated
simply I am not tragically 

711
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,600
colored. 
There is No sorrow. 

712
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,100
My God. 
Hi, you're lurking behind my 

713
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,400
eyes. 
I do not mind at all, at 17. 

714
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,200
I had no idea what life would 
bring. 

715
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:54,700
But Sora sentiment articulated. 
So beautifully, how I felt as a 

716
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:57,700
daughter of immigrants, then and
sorrow sentiment. 

717
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,600
That's what I heard more like. 
Sorry. 

718
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,700
Yeah, Sorrows, I am perfectly 
made. 

719
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,400
I can wax eloquent on complex, 
legal, issues, English while. 

720
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,700
Also belting why a Gilda me, 
some more tests. 

721
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:12,800
Oh my God, it's so good. 
It's really good. 

722
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,200
What my friend, Barrett avner 
calls trans umbrella. 

723
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,700
Yeah, Mom, I am a cisgender 
millennial. 

724
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,100
Who's been diagnosed with 
generalized anxiety? 

725
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:26,200
Disorder assist? 
I'm a mentally ill cisgender and

726
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,400
exercise. 
I am a walking declaration, a 

727
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,600
woman all my collection does not
rise. 

728
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,100
At the end of her sentences. 
Suggesting that a question, it's

729
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:39,400
great. 
So I sneaked into CIA my 

730
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:55,100
employment. 
Soldiers, that don't get caught 

731
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,500
my two sons and I struggle 
leaving the office when I feel, 

732
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,100
there's so much more to do. 
I used to struggle with imposter

733
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,900
syndrome, but at 36, I refuse to
internalize misguided. 

734
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:16,300
Article ideas of what it should 
be. 

735
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:20,400
I am tired of feeling like I'm 
supposed to apologize for the 

736
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200
space. 
I occupy, rather than intoxicate

737
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,700
people with my effort. 
My Brilliance. 

738
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,200
I am proud of me, you know, 
everybody's rolling their 

739
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,700
fucking eyes around the office. 
Like God, leave it to the CIA to

740
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:35,100
just totally fucked himself. 
Never yeah, it's too 

741
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:37,000
transparent. 
I stand here today. 

742
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,300
A proud first generation Latina 
and officer at CIA. 

743
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,800
I am Munna party, sir. 
Tsunami. 

744
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,100
I want you to be 
unapologetically you, whoever 

745
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,900
you are. 
No, you're worth command your 

746
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:53,000
stress. 
Just the absolute fucking blood 

747
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,400
boiling blood, you know, just 
the Latina working for the CIA 

748
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,000
would be really funny if they 
still had her a mop and a bucket

749
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,300
at the end of The Skit like they
just handed Reich. 

750
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,500
Get to work. 
Yeah, that's like that's like a 

751
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:14,900
South Park forever. 
Be offering her intersectional 

752
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:23,300
brainpower to to silence the 
patriarchal Rage of like some 

753
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:26,500
labor Uprising and Guatemala. 
Exactly. 

754
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,900
Like let me get rid of these 
Patriarchs and then have like 

755
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,600
some CIA death squad eradicate 
that I figure you gotta protect 

756
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,700
Coca-Cola down here is what we 
have to do it. 

757
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:40,000
Yeah it could survive lithium? 
Yeah. 

758
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:42,400
Yeah you on must shit. 
Yeah. 

759
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,200
The The should have had like 
Charlotte climber come in and 

760
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,000
hug her, just just drag all come
here and it. 

761
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Yeah, but the see I think it's 
not these these, these left 

762
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,300
toys, don't understand it 
because it sits there not just 

763
00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:00,500
adopting this language. 
This is the real red pill, but 

764
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:03,800
they're not just adopting it on 
ironically, and at it, it's, you

765
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,900
know that it's used in a 
negative sense. 

766
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,700
They started this shit. 
They fucking spearheaded this 

767
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,400
whole thing for like seven 
decades, they've at least 

768
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,800
they've been doing this, you 
know who read? 

769
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,700
Me on the, on the, on the CIA, 
with all these like cultural 

770
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:21,200
social movements is Jonathan 
lethem, the biologists we had 

771
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:21,900
on. 
Yeah. 

772
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:23,900
And he we're all cool. 
You listen? 

773
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,800
Yeah, well, he and he is the 
furthest thing from like a 

774
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,200
reactionary MRA type. 
He's like, he's like he's like 

775
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,200
extremely left, you know, in a 
lot of ways. 

776
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,000
And so, yeah, I would say more 
than what's being culturally 

777
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000
offer today and in you know, 
whatever and whatever said I do 

778
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,900
want to Define them or anything,
you know, but he's He's into it.

779
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,000
And he's like, yeah, you know, 
like Gloria Steinem was like a 

780
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,600
CIA prop, right? 
I'm like, wait, why aren't I was

781
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,700
like what? 
I didn't know I was like, I 

782
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,000
thought I knew some shit and I 
was like, I don't for a while I 

783
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,800
was like, oh no man. 
Like this is a little weird and 

784
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,000
I, we can do it in. 
Like yeah, she's like a John 

785
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,300
Krasinski from from the office 
like that Vibe. 

786
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,100
You know, the whole? 
Yeah, they're, they're do good 

787
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:05,200
work. 
You know, what's the big deal? 

788
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:08,200
Actually, the lip tar feminists,
like, all of them were pretty 

789
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,700
much Spooks. 
But, I mean, like, he keeps But 

790
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:18,400
Zach, same guy, right? 
He's a noise musician, but he's 

791
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,100
also written a lot. 
He's ghost written, a lot of 

792
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:24,500
critical theory for urban knob 
neck, which publishes like Nick,

793
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,300
land and resin are Dasani and 
stuff like that. 

794
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:31,100
I have to finish this book by 
May 31st. 

795
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:34,100
And then I have a novel outline 
but him and I are going to be 

796
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:36,000
collaborating on a book 
together. 

797
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,000
You guys will fucking love this 
shit. 

798
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:42,700
It's gonna be tracking all the 
famous avant-garde artists who 

799
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:44,800
had Had intelligence 
connections. 

800
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:47,300
Because if you start, yeah, 
dude. 

801
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,400
But the Morrison Jim Morrison. 
Let's go. 

802
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,000
I'm ready. 
And like, you're talking like 

803
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,100
Jackson Pollock Vibe too kind of
thing. 

804
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:54,600
Jackson, Pollock. 
Yeah. 

805
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,200
Like had an actual contract with
the CIA. 

806
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,800
Like it was direct like like 
this sort of commercial with 

807
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,000
him. 
Yeah. 

808
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:08,300
Well the CIA believed abstract 
expressionism was a way that 

809
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:12,500
they could like they could use 
it as propaganda because it was 

810
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:14,900
there. 
Trying Show like this could only

811
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:19,000
come from the American Freedom 
Spirit opposed of this like 

812
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,100
rigid Soviet art. 
That was happening at the time. 

813
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,700
Yeah. 
But even people like a writer, I

814
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:29,300
love like Philip K dick. 
There is this fantastic 

815
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:33,000
interview with him. 
That happened on a French TV 

816
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
channel. 
And the first starts pretty 

817
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,400
innocuous and shit, and he's 
talking about how good the 

818
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,200
French have been to him. 
And like the French was first, 

819
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,100
first people to take him 
seriously as an artist and not 

820
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,100
just the Sci-Fi writer. 
Yeah. 

821
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,600
But then the conversation goes 
to cointelpro. 

822
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:56,100
And he starts saying, oh, you 
know, all through the late 60s, 

823
00:44:56,100 --> 00:45:03,100
I lived in paranoia and fear, 
and once 1972 happen in quintal 

824
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:09,300
proact, got Abolish, I felt that
fear go away, but in my mind, I 

825
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,400
know all the rumors about him. 
And so I know the real reason 

826
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,800
that anxiety went away is the 
fucking CIA flipped, Philip K 

827
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,300
dick, which makes sense when you
look at his work because that's 

828
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:24,100
when he published like man in 
the High Castle is total 

829
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,500
propaganda for Bourgeois 
democracy. 

830
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,100
Yeah so much of a shit. 
We love has been fucking sigh. 

831
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:34,300
Upping our brains to the 
right-wing our whole lives. 

832
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:38,100
Philip k--. 
Lib is yeah, yeah. 

833
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:43,800
Well dude, I reread you because 
when you tweeted about it. 

834
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:46,600
Yeah, that's sort of crazy ass 
book made. 

835
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,700
Ya gotta read that in the most 
surreal novels ever written. 

836
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:53,100
It's one of the ones where you 
read it and you immediately want

837
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,000
to reread it. 
You're like, wait, what the fuck

838
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,900
is she here? 
Absolutely, yeah, I hadn't read 

839
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,400
it a long time and it really 
kind of blew my mind how good it

840
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,100
is because you kind of read him 
when you're a kid. 

841
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,900
If you Like sci-fi or whatever, 
but then you get older and you 

842
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,300
realize he's as good as anyone 
was in there and it's Century. 

843
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,600
Well I got more into sci-fi 
stuff like later on me too. 

844
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,800
Yeah, yeah, and so I but yeah 
you can tell it is weird. 

845
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,400
He's one of those artists that 
has been all his Works have been

846
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,000
co-opted by like literally 
Amazon and all these crazy 

847
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,600
corporations but it's still, 
it's still slats, you know? 

848
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,200
That's the we're totally. 
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. 

849
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,500
Yeah, it's about what the with 
the CIA thing is funny because 

850
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:33,900
the left response I've been 
seeing like the like the irony 

851
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:35,300
left. 
Response. 

852
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,500
I've been seeing is because I 
was, like, shit live responses. 

853
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:41,600
That were just basic, like, it 
was to a Michael Tracey tweet. 

854
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,600
I don't even remember what like,
Michael Tracy tweeted, but I 

855
00:46:43,607 --> 00:46:45,800
think he was basically saying 
the argument. 

856
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,700
Okay, Michael Tracy here, says 
the argument will, of course, be

857
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:52,100
made that the CIA is only 
espousing woke ideology as a 

858
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:56,300
cynical Ploy, not because the 
ideology serves to entrench the 

859
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,900
cia's power just like every 
other Corporation and hegemonic,

860
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:04,300
cultural, political institution,
all just one big coincidence. 

861
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,300
Oz. 
And yeah, and that just like 

862
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:09,700
said Twitter on fire today, and 
but the left response is always 

863
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:13,800
just like, oh, like its oh, it's
bad now because it's woke. 

864
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,900
It's like, dude, it's always bad
and you like it now, that's the 

865
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,100
problem. 
Yeah, you're fine right now. 

866
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:21,800
It worked on you, this? 
Yeah, it works ever write. 

867
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,900
This NCI is never right. 
I never trust the CIA and you 

868
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:25,900
can talk to see. 
I could tell me. 

869
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:27,900
The sky is blue. 
It's fucking Green in my eyes. 

870
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,100
Yeah, yeah! 
Yeah. 

871
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,400
I'm just not going to trust 
them. 

872
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,300
So it's like tell on yourself 
because it worked on you that 

873
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,100
you love the commercial. 
Yeah, I love the commercial 

874
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,800
fucking Latin X. 
Yeah, yeah. 

875
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,900
Well you're talking about the 
the Tom Morello responds. 

876
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:45,700
Yes, I am going to put it up. 
I'm going to turn it up on the 

877
00:47:45,707 --> 00:47:48,200
big screen that while I was 
talking about just regular left 

878
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,500
is because they were just kind 
of doing some ironic Detachment 

879
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,100
with it where they were kind of 
saying like, oh yeah, wow so bad

880
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:59,200
just found out today the cia's 
bad and like you're like no I 

881
00:47:59,207 --> 00:48:01,300
think it's good I'm reading 
through that shit because I used

882
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,300
to do that shit to lie. 
I think I'm right lighten up. 

883
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,400
Up the copia. 
Exactly. 

884
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,700
Exactly. 
And so the, this is the Tom, 

885
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:13,200
Morello response, which Kill 
Your Heroes. 

886
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,100
Everybody. 
Kill your fucking Heroes. 

887
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,300
That's all I'm gonna say. 
I used to. 

888
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:20,300
I grew up a fucking Rage Against
the Machine stand and Tom 

889
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:22,700
Morello says silly me. 
I thought the CIA was evil 

890
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:25,600
because of the 70 years of war 
crimes assassinating, heads of 

891
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,400
state torture and crushing 
people's movements around the 

892
00:48:28,408 --> 00:48:30,400
globe. 
And it turns out that the real 

893
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,100
problem was awoke pamphlet and 
it's like he's not out of wrong 

894
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:37,000
about That any of that stuff at 
the front, he's not wrong about 

895
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,500
that but he's fine with it now. 
Well, the problem is I'm sorry, 

896
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:43,600
go ahead. 
No, no I think you have a better

897
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,200
thought than I do at this point.
Yeah, well he's totally 

898
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,100
misreading with Tracy said, 
Tracy's not saying that, the 

899
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,600
pamphlet is the worst thing they
ever did. 

900
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,800
He's saying the pamphlet is the 
aesthetic Shield, the rhetorical

901
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,100
signifier that they use to now 
legitimize the crimes and the 

902
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:07,200
corruption of the deep. 
State like and that's what they 

903
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,200
always do. 
These people refuse to 

904
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,500
understand that the politics, I 
mean, Tom Morello, he's always 

905
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,500
been a fucking a total retard. 
But, you know, and I could get 

906
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:22,800
into like, why Anarchist seem to
always just fall on the side of 

907
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,400
lives. 
Lisa goes on, but Tom Morello, 

908
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,400
you know, he doesn't want to 
reconcile with the fact that his

909
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,100
politics or maybe not. 
Radical or threatening to the 

910
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,900
state. 
Yeah, you know and that's just 

911
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:41,100
basically what it is. 
Michael. 

912
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:45,400
Tracy isn't saying that the 
commercial is like, an evil act.

913
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,400
He's just saying it's branding 
for the evil acts and it was 

914
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,700
created by leftist who are now 
functionally indistinguishable 

915
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:56,900
from that, which they oppose. 
Yeah. 

916
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,600
And he, he puts Tom Morello's, 
he thinks Tracy. 

917
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,400
He's trying to put him in the 
the like, react the Republican, 

918
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,600
bro. 
Box be like, oh this guy just 

919
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,300
hates woke shit and it's like 
he's definitely more nuanced 

920
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:09,900
than that, you know. 
And totally. 

921
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:11,600
Yeah, it's like, but they're 
not. 

922
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,600
So that's the thing, like 
they're not more nuanced than 

923
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
that. 
So they took them and the people

924
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,000
who follow Tom Morello and and 
like it's funny when you look at

925
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,900
Tom Morello's mentions and like,
I don't know. 

926
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,300
It's gonna be fucked up the way 
I say it, but like, I'll see you

927
00:50:24,308 --> 00:50:28,200
like, he'll be like Donald Trump
babbling baby dick below. 

928
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,300
Let's bring people tweet about 
Jim Carrey a shitty Jim. 

929
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,000
Are you painting of like Donald 
Trump? 

930
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,900
And then you'll see, like, in 
the mentions everyone with all 

931
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,300
these wave emojis, like resist 
emojis are like Tom, the best 

932
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:45,300
Bridge, gives machines, kill 
fascist, and then you'll see 

933
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:46,700
like a bunch of right-wing 
accounts. 

934
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,300
When you click show more 
replies, it'll be like faggot 

935
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:56,500
faggot faggot societal. 
It's like, well, and I'm reading

936
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,800
that verbatim, sorry, I said, 
yeah, it is 

937
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:24,000
He's probably 
one thing I've been thinking 

938
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,500
about a lot lately. 
I think we talked about this on 

939
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:30,800
our last episode with gay 
stepdad because class lot of 

940
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,200
people don't know that Ben and I
have like a pretty Sharp. 

941
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,300
Diversion in our politics after 
like the first few agreements 

942
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:42,000
because I think a lot of like 
the post left kind of like the 

943
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,900
people that got label hit with 
this label or whatever. 

944
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:52,500
There's like one faction of it 
that is probably could be 

945
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:57,000
described as like, left 
communist Ortho Marxist and then

946
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,500
the other half is like almost 
like a, Paleo conservative, 

947
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,300
social democracy, kind of thing.
And I've noticed this more and 

948
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,700
more as it goes on because like 
you make these new friends based

949
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:11,300
on dislike shared critique of 
this thing but I've noticed with

950
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:15,200
a lot of these like paleo con 
like the good old boys. 

951
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,100
As I love their show, 
everything. 

952
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,000
But a lot of their politics is 
predicated on this basically 

953
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,400
false notion that Economic 
Development. 

954
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,000
Can be meaningfully, rewinded 
somehow that you can kind of 

955
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:39,200
bring back this older, more 
stable version of American 

956
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,600
democracy. 
Do you mean like a more of a 

957
00:52:41,607 --> 00:52:44,600
blue-collar centered kind of 
thing like, or like kinda, like,

958
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,000
localism? 
And yeah, and And why doesn't 

959
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,600
that work? 
Because after because once the 

960
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,200
economy develops a certain way, 
think about certain developments

961
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,000
the feminization of the 
workforce, women joining the 

962
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,400
workforce, the concentration of 
capital and fewer Pockets, the 

963
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,900
hardening of the Bourgeois 
State. 

964
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:13,200
You just it's there's there's 
never been a time in meaningful,

965
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,200
like meaningfully in history 
where you could organize and 

966
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,500
like rewind that That back you 
know it always is kind of just 

967
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:22,600
and a lot of people reject what 
I'm saying right now. 

968
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,400
But this is basically like my 
main disagreement with that and 

969
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,000
why I think that the main like I
am I really? 

970
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:33,600
And I don't think like a 
revolution it's going to happen 

971
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,700
in my lifetime or anything. 
But that is still the thing. 

972
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:46,100
That has to be like, I think. 
The endpoint in a lot of ways, I

973
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:49,900
don't think there could be at 
this point, in our stage of 

974
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,500
capital development. 
A lot of redistribute of policy,

975
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:58,900
one through sort of Bourgeois 
electoral politics Yeah, and I 

976
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:04,800
think it's, I think in a lot of 
ways it's very idealistic almost

977
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,400
as idealistic as the shit. 
The leftists a to think that it 

978
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,500
could be a gay largely agree 
with that. 

979
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:16,500
I think, I think it's kind of a 
conflating. 

980
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,000
It's fine to have a dream of a 
Pastime and be like, oh, that'd 

981
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,900
be better versus saying like 
this is actually feasible to to 

982
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:29,100
put it this back in the 
Pandora's box kind of thing, 

983
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:30,100
right? 
Yeah. 

984
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,800
We need things evolve. 
Yeah, I don't even know how I 

985
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,800
got on this point, really know. 
If you were saying it was what 

986
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,400
you were trying to reference 
your podcast episode, gay 

987
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,900
stepdad. 
And we were talking Tom Morello 

988
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:42,600
and oh, right? 
Yes. 

989
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,400
Because we talked about 
anarchism, yes. 

990
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,200
All right. 
So this is like, You know at 

991
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,700
times of like historical 
political economic upheaval, 

992
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:58,400
there's usually these sorts of 
new Tendencies towards idealism.

993
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,200
You know, if you just do this 
this this and this thing. 

994
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:07,100
Yeah, things will get better. 
But it just doesn't really work 

995
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:11,500
like that. 
The problem with anarchists, Is 

996
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:19,700
there whole fucking thing is 
idealism and and utopianism like

997
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:26,300
anarchists, don't really even 
acknowledge political economy 

998
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:31,000
and if you read like how like 
there's this great click like 

999
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,400
Bill Maher. 
Total shit live in a piece of 

1000
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,800
shit but sometimes very good at 
calling bullshit you know, Tony 

1001
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,900
and he interviewed, he 
interviewed. 

1002
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,900
Morello a couple of years ago 
and Tom Morello is like 

1003
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:49,500
anarchism, we're gonna build 
communes, we don't need a 

1004
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:51,600
government. 
We don't need to stay, we don't 

1005
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,400
need centralized power. 
And then Bill Maher was just 

1006
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,200
like, then why the fuck do you 
keep voting? 

1007
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,700
Like if you believe what and 
what Bill Maher is basically 

1008
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:04,800
trying to say is like, fuck you,
you piece I see you with you're 

1009
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,300
doing. 
You're the same as me but you 

1010
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:10,100
wear like different fucking hat,
you know. 

1011
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,300
Do the same. 
In politics as I do. 

1012
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,000
Yeah. 
So so Tom Morello is an 

1013
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:22,800
anarchist and anarchists from 
the very beginning of Marxist. 

1014
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,200
Theory have had diverged, a 
major major diversion points. 

1015
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,300
Like the founding father of what
we now call left anarchism is 

1016
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:38,100
bakunin and he had really no 
theories about the development 

1017
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:43,100
of the working class, which had 
two, which is and To be a 

1018
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:46,500
byproduct of the development of 
capitalism itself. 

1019
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:53,300
His whole thing was you just 
build a team of allies and what 

1020
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:55,900
did he called them? 
Not allies. 

1021
00:56:55,900 --> 00:57:01,000
But like, but basically it was 
like an ideological Revolution 

1022
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,700
one by people who were like who 
like share your belief system. 

1023
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,600
But with that when you think 
it's just a matter of belief, 

1024
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:13,400
then your politics Has become 
very chaotic and incoherent. 

1025
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:19,200
So, like, say what I know about 
RPM, for instance is like marks,

1026
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:25,600
even even says, like in the 
manifesto, commies should not be

1027
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,100
leftist. 
You know, they shouldn't be too 

1028
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:33,100
far left, especially at times 
when the working class is 

1029
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:37,400
disenfranchised and is in 
organized at times when the 

1030
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,900
working class is radicalized and
is organized. 

1031
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:44,100
Then the Communists are, like, 
whatever they're supposed to 

1032
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:45,900
come together with the other 
leftist. 

1033
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:49,100
And just like, take up arms and 
start killing the states are 

1034
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:53,100
killing the bourgeoisie. 
Yeah, but otherwise, you're 

1035
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:57,400
supposed to be like, like, I try
to Apollo approach politics in a

1036
00:57:57,408 --> 00:58:00,800
measured and a kind of balanced 
way. 

1037
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Perceive what's right in front 
of me. 

1038
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,100
But people like Tom Morello, 
they have this thing of like 

1039
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,600
anarchists are always the ones 
like the Weather Underground in 

1040
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,900
the 60s. 
They end up. 

1041
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,400
Committing acts of Terror 
playing Fascinations or they're 

1042
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:23,300
in such a Perpetual state of 
emotional sort of disrepair that

1043
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:26,300
they get really freaked out by 
certain like political 

1044
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:27,900
development. 
A lot. 

1045
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:32,600
Donald Trump and start going the
other way and just slide right 

1046
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,200
back into Bourgeois politics. 
Yeah so like honestly like this 

1047
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,400
is why I fucking like all 
leftists now are basically Lee 

1048
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:46,500
anarchists or like Fabian 
anarchists and the baby, like 

1049
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,500
just Google. 
Fabian's are like linked to it. 

1050
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,400
That's what DSA is. 
It's like it's like they get 

1051
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,200
it's like this very Bourgeois 
form of like social control. 

1052
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:03,800
One through like minut 
Progressive policy but class 

1053
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,500
struggle has to be. 
It has to be one. 

1054
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:12,400
Be like a natural kind of 
Progression of History. 

1055
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:19,200
Yeah, but it also has to be like
a calm, and rational response to

1056
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,500
political changes and how to 
understand political economy in 

1057
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,900
a way, that is actually 
beneficial to the points in 

1058
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:30,300
history where there is some sort
of like radical energy. 

1059
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:31,400
Yeah. 
But what happened? 

1060
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,400
What happened with Tom Morello 
and I'm kind of rambling here. 

1061
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,900
I'm sorry, I apologize about 
that. 

1062
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:41,200
Come on, but like Tom Morello is
an anarchist He has no fucking 

1063
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,300
way to understand what's 
happening in our politics 

1064
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,100
because he doesn't have that 
like, rooted understanding of 

1065
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:51,100
political economy and he is just
like, really kind of embraced, 

1066
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:55,900
his Soldier, embraced his role 
as like a foot soldier for the 

1067
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:58,400
Bourgeois State and American 
imperialism. 

1068
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,000
And that's why he's so 
particularly current. 

1069
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:04,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exact. 
And he was like, he was kind of 

1070
01:00:04,607 --> 01:00:06,700
like a, like, a stem kid growing
up too. 

1071
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:09,700
Wasn't he like doesn't he like a
big like Harvard guy like kind 

1072
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:12,400
of Like you said, yeah. 
It was like a Harvard 

1073
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,600
sociologist, kind of kind of, 
dude. 

1074
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,100
Yeah. 
And he, he's one of those guys 

1075
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:19,400
that always reps that to, or 
People wrap it for him be like, 

1076
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:21,400
oh, you're criticizing Tom. 
Did you know that? 

1077
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,300
He's actually got like a PhD in 
his and I was, like, big red 

1078
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:25,300
flag for me. 
I know. 

1079
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:27,500
And then he's like, did you know
nerds could play guitar and 

1080
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:34,900
watch? 
I can do the leverage, all that 

1081
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:35,800
shit. 
I couldn't see through it. 

1082
01:00:52,500 --> 01:01:02,400
A lot of times and he's not my 
friend. 

1083
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:10,200
Tom Morello came to one of his 
shows in like 2008 and was 

1084
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:16,300
standing in the audience and he 
Tom, relishes, hated everything 

1085
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,700
that they was hearing so so 
much. 

1086
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:21,300
I guess like he was standing in 
the audience like, this the 

1087
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:22,800
whole time. 
Yeah. 

1088
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:26,800
And like, to of the band, like a
lot of noise man's used like 

1089
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,000
super fascist Aesthetics, you 
know? 

1090
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,900
Right. 
So he was just like in raged and

1091
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:34,700
about like he was like what the 
fuck? 

1092
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,700
Not even raging Against the 
Machine or whatever. 

1093
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:42,500
But, ya know like, I like to 
rage when I was a kid, I almost 

1094
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:49,000
saw them with Wu-Tang Clan, fuck
in 1997, but the show got 

1095
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,900
cancelled. 
I was like ten years old to. 

1096
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:54,700
My dad was going to take me. 
Yeah, face, dad nice. 

1097
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:57,600
Yeah, I know he was my dad. 
Took me to a lot of shows when I

1098
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:04,800
was a kid. 
But I I got like into like men. 

1099
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:08,300
It'll like black metal and noise
and stuff pretty early, but I 

1100
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:11,300
still pop on rage once in a 
while when I'm working out 

1101
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:13,600
there. 
Good at like slogan, Eerie kind 

1102
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,700
of, because they kind of sound 
like Public Enemy, but they're 

1103
01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:18,900
just like plane with 
instruments. 

1104
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,800
So the Deep State heard that 
conversation, then talk to zoom 

1105
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,900
headquarters. 
I'm in Silicon Valley. 

1106
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:27,600
I thought it was an easy clip. 
I got to be more secure maybe 

1107
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,000
operate from a VPN. 
That's why our Zoom meeting just

1108
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,600
collapse there. 
Can't believe it. 

1109
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:34,400
Yeah, man, they're trying to 
recruit me. 

1110
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,900
That's why. 
That's what it is. 

1111
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:41,300
I would be such an effective 
intelligence asset like, because

1112
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:44,500
like I feel like the best 
intelligence assets are the 

1113
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:46,800
ones. 
Who can identify, I'd like 

1114
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,400
intelligence assets. 
Very well waiting for like 

1115
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,100
William esper Rose. 
So the CIA is listening. 

1116
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:58,100
I am very amenable to taking the
siop route towards success. 

1117
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:01,200
I must today you heard how much,
how much, how much would it cost

1118
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,200
for you? 
Seriously, I've always wondered 

1119
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,500
that to be an intelligence. 
Outside. 

1120
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:09,000
Yeah, to do, run aside, 
basically be a huge Aid in a 

1121
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
psyop. 
What would it cost them like so 

1122
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,400
conflicted about this? 
Because it's like not even about

1123
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,300
the money so much. 
Is it just be like, fascinating 

1124
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:20,100
to see how it works from the 
inside, you know. 

1125
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,300
Yeah. 
Hunter as Thompson kind of, 

1126
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:25,700
yeah. 
Just yeah, yeah, yeah, you're my

1127
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:29,400
name in history books as a 
legend. 

1128
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:34,000
And I might be amenable to it 
like because all these kinds 

1129
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,800
that we're talking about, Philip
K, dick, William esper Rose. 

1130
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:40,400
Yes. 
There's whispered rumors about 

1131
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,700
their connections to the CIA but
that's not the main thing that 

1132
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:47,000
remembered for the remembered as
being great artist. 

1133
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,000
So if I can like have like a 
hundred years from now. 

1134
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,500
People remember like oh Adam 
Lair. 

1135
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:55,600
That guy was a fucking genius. 
Did you hear? 

1136
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,700
He might be an intelligence 
asset. 

1137
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,000
I could live with that. 
You know I'll be worth it right 

1138
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:02,000
damn. 
Yeah. 

1139
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,700
Damn for me it's a strict money 
amount. 

1140
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,300
As nothing like you could smear 
me. 

1141
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:08,900
Like I'm trying to find that 
money and malware. 

1142
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:10,000
It's like like they're like 
yeah. 

1143
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,100
And this guy the worst. 
Yeah. 

1144
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:17,700
You know like a couple weeks ago
like oh my God I feel so sorry I

1145
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:21,900
opted right now like I'm worried
that my own shows acai up like 

1146
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:25,500
especially like like because 
every like I don't know. 

1147
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:29,800
I feel like we're at this point 
like just this super liquid 

1148
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,900
digital landscape like 
everything is fake and that's 

1149
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:39,700
why I like I I like people to 
remember, like I'm not saying, 

1150
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:43,600
like twittersphere it's not 
unimportant like it's where 

1151
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,600
ideology is produced and sort of
influenced and all this stuff 

1152
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,700
but at the end of the day you 
have to remember to have a real 

1153
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:56,400
fucking life to like because 
we're all like we're all 

1154
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,500
terminally online that a certain
point, but there is like 

1155
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,400
terminally terminally online and
I'm sure we could like point to 

1156
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,100
some people who suffer from That
syndrome because at the end of 

1157
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:11,300
the day, like that's why I don't
care that people talk shit about

1158
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:15,400
me so much. 
It's like, I have a nice life, 

1159
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,100
you know, I got a nice wife, a 
dog, like the fuck, do I care? 

1160
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,600
You know, but if you're like 
totally jacked into the 

1161
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,500
internet, becoming a sigh up, 
living the siop in your Dan, 

1162
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,100
like material reality itself. 
So, to just bury itself into 

1163
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:34,500
your fucking screen along with 
everything else. 

1164
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, that definitely. 

1165
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:40,800
And so, yeah, just I mean, if 
you want to just get some plugs 

1166
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,300
in before we wrap up, it's a 
really good conversation. 

1167
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,600
I'll just plug it, listen to the
lattice Pacific if you're going 

1168
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,800
to listen to one episode of 
system is system. 

1169
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:52,500
Listen to one with a step that 
if you like this show, you know,

1170
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:55,500
gay step that. 
So it's a good intro anyways and

1171
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,600
yeah, yeah, what's good about 
that is we started to kind of 

1172
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:06,400
address like a logical conflict 
Within the post left itself 

1173
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,900
because I think it's something 
that has probably been there. 

1174
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:13,500
Since the beginning of this 
thing got hit with but has some 

1175
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:18,900
mostly been left undiscussed so 
I think that's kind of helpful. 

1176
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,100
Yeah, definitely so Safety 
propaganda sub stack, right? 

1177
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:26,700
Got that going. 
You're working on some, some 

1178
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:28,100
other stuff. 
Yeah, I know you got, you got 

1179
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:32,400
some other stuff going on. 
Yeah and yeah, you're welcome on

1180
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,200
the show anytime man. 
Any time you got some hot takes 

1181
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,400
just you know or as we resume 
call away. 

1182
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:41,400
Yeah absolutely guys. 
This was a lot of fun. 

1183
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,700
As always Nanda. 
Let's stay in touch. 

1184
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:47,100
Absolutely right on Adam. 
I appreciate you wear. 

1185
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:50,300
At rare candy, pod one. 
What's your Twitter by the way? 

1186
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:51,600
What are you operating from 
madam? 

1187
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,700
Just a safety propaganda 11i 
regular. 

1188
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,600
That's my regular Twitter. 
Got a cute new. 

1189
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:02,700
Yeah, I think I texted but I was
you were one of those accounts 

1190
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,200
that I only bookmark tweets when
I'm like oh I want to check out 

1191
01:07:05,207 --> 01:07:07,200
that movie later that album or 
whatever. 

1192
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,000
And like I feel like 60% of them
were just your old tweets and no

1193
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,700
you can't not like fuck. 
There's so does gold mines in 

1194
01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:16,800
there. 
Yeah so keep tweeting that stuff

1195
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,000
recommendations from the new 
baby propaganda. 

1196
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:21,500
I will. 
Yeah. 

1197
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:23,800
So I I'm at Glen Rock me. 
He's at crypto. 

1198
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,400
Sigh. 
Thanks everybody. 

1199
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,100
Who's been listening. 
Subscribe on YouTube, YouTube. 

1200
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:30,500
Still the best way to watch it. 
I know not everybody could do 

1201
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:32,700
that, but the audio suffice as 
well. 

1202
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,300
And this is rare candy, right? 
On Adam. 

1203
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,800
All right, guys, later, guys. 
All right, have a good night.