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and rock me. Crypto told me I should bring
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'cause we might get caught up in a riot.
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Who you with? Before we get started today, I
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Like Tom Petty. He's not related, but he's damn
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But got the good old boys back today, which is always, always a
pleasure. Last time we talked to them was
just a little bit post election and kind of feels like a year
has passed. It's been a few months, which is
the time manipulation is one thing I think everybody can say
is kind of odd right now is just the way time has gone by.
I feel like I've gotten a lot older and there's just always
something every day. But how are how are you guys
doing? I know being a politics podcast
right now, I mean, you guys are my news network like you, you
guys have news show. I legitimately listen to it
because there's things I, I was like, wow, I didn't even know
that was happening. You know, especially your guys
recent episode with Will Hilde, there were a lot of things I was
like, I had no idea that was happening.
But how are you guys doing through all of this?
I mean, it's got to be something every day you guys feel the need
to talk about. Awesome.
Yeah, yeah, I I love Will. And if he was never checked him
out, he is like. Do you hear so much about
BlackRock and this and that and this is he's the guy who
actually knows what they're doing.
I mean, he, he's he, he, you know, right now he's probably
outside. What's the Black Rock guy's
name? Fink.
He's probably outside, you know, out parked outside the Fink's
house. You know, they're in the 85
Caprice Classic. There's a, you know, like 45
cigarette butts next to his window.
Whatever. But yeah, I don't know.
It's that's an excellent point about the politics stuff.
You know, we had this, we we, we had to establish that rule this
year. It was like we're if we talk
about everything that's reported in the news about Trump, there's
not that's. That's all you do.
So like something has to actually happen, you know, the
the penis has to cross the plane to, to, to be considered
population basically, because otherwise he, you know, he he
says all kinds of crazy stuff and yeah, you could chase
everything down. I mean, that's kind of, I mean,
he's that's kind of worked on the libs.
I mean, I think he basically does that, you know, to them.
Yeah, I've always said I've, I've had a, an alternate reality
that I've, I've always want to say like to really, if we're
going to maximize AI, which I'm kind of not super into, but if
it's here, it's here. I would just say there's,
there's a few people I know that would willingly sign up for the
sign up for this Soylent Green thing where you stay alive.
I'm not advocating for any genocide or anything.
But you, you put on goggles and you just watch Trump get
arrested all the time. And like everybody else just
handles business, like everybody else just goes and lives their
life. Because I, I know people that
just sit around and we have two poster presidents right now.
You know, we have, we have Vice President Vance and Donald
Trump. So it's like when there's two
poster presidents, like something is always happening.
And especially if you hate them, you know, like that is like all
day, you get like a feed of them.
And I just I kind of think for some people, they would rather
live in that world. But you, you make a good point
of what you guys are saying, like, let's wait for something
actually to happen. But that's kind of weird when
it's like you have people panicking, right?
I know that's kind of a big, big word on on our sphere right now
where anytime something happens, people will be maximalist in
terms of, oh, this is the one, this is the one that that screws
everything up. You know, this is the, this is
the one. So how do you guys not panic I
guess? Exposure just just had long term
exposure to this stuff eventually just got you.
I I when if if I'm talking to somebody and they want to talk
about whatever the new thing on Fox News is it it it's like I
know I can't do it because I've seen I've seen it too many
times. You, you feel the ebb and flow
of the, of the garbage that gets presented to normal people.
And you reach a point where it's like, yeah, yeah.
Well, I think the, the, the nothing ever happens meme guys
have it right? Like your default assumption
should always be nothing ever happens.
And then you'll be pleasantly surprised.
It's kind of a, it's like, it's like a reverse black pill or
it's like, but it's also kind of like on a parallel universe of
black pill. Because it's not like only it's
not like nothing ever happens. It's a bad thing.
It's like, hey, nothing happened.
That's kind of good. Yeah, I mean, there's 300
million people here, like, well, you know, yeah.
Promise maybe? The admission number is like
330. Now this there's probably, of
course, 400 million people here. You know it like there things
just change really, really, really slow.
Everything is, you know, the economy like, you know,
economically everything is, you know, leveraged against each
other. And then in this way there's
insurance on absolutely everything.
Certainly, you know, the bottom will fall out of society one
day, but it'll have to like all go at once.
So it'll be the kind of thing that you don't have to worry
about it, but it like. Things, things don't go slowly.
By the way, what happened is people have gotten technology
has made people's expectations go crazy.
Like if, if you're living, I don't know, 80 years ago,
whatever the, the hot off the press is the morning newspaper,
That's your, that's your IV drip for information.
And it was like wireless radio could let you, you hear it not
24 hours a day, but a lot. And then television and then 24
hour news network and then social media.
And some people are just hooked into, well, I say some people
like we're, we're all, we're all Twitter politics guys.
We we literally have these entertainment programs talking
about it. Everybody's hooked into this
now, you know, like my mom's a a nice boomer lady and she's
looking at Twitter and Facebook and true.
Well, I don't think she looks at true social, but yeah, she said
no. All that nobody can escape it.
It has made us speak information, speed demons.
Everybody wants everything that happened now.
I mean, this is not it. That's not a novel concept.
People have been complaining about that my entire life, but I
think that it has legitimately the the social media has
legitimately accelerated the process to the point where it
might be it, it might be becoming unhealthy for people
mentally and physically, but I don't know that there's anything
you can do about that. I think involvement with like
one of the things that I think a lot of people don't really take
into account is like, so I personally, I love politics.
I love it. I, I, I would, I, I do.
And I, I think there's a lot of people who they probably, they
don't, they're very interested in, you know, the outcomes and
stuff like that, which I, I totally get that.
But, you know, it's like there's probably guys who you know the,
I don't know if you, I know you guys are sports guys.
I think he's become more popular lately.
But I knew him when he was a poker player.
The guy Harabolus Bulgaris. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bill, he's about Bill Simmons a lot back in the day, yeah.
Yeah, he was nowhere near doing that when I when, when he was in
my world, the poker world. I mean, he, he, you know, he, he
made millions, many, many millions cracking this NBA code.
Long story short, they used to Vegas.
They did not update the betting lines at halftime.
So like. Yeah.
No one else found this out so you would literally just wait
till halftime and that would give him enough edge to
maximally bet. He made a zillion dollars, but
you know he would be betting on lots like WNBA games and stuff
like that. Yeah, I remember that.
So he's highly, highly, highly invested in the outcome of this
game, but he's not interested in watching the game.
I think a lot of people are like that.
I am interested in the game. I've, I have volunteered for the
Republican and Democrat Party. I've worked, I worked the voting
at the precinct, like every single time I had my own
precinct and stuff like that. I, I love politics.
I think not everybody is. There's a lot of people you
always think of like these Q people and stuff like that.
I just like, I'm just like binding my lip.
Like, why don't you like? Why don't you try?
Out politics like you don't have like like you, you could go
volunteer your local party or something and like see if you
like it because you're burning a lot of calories doing stuff
that's like it's not really politics, but you could.
That's one thing that's like, I think a lot of people don't have
a hard time figuring out like what is politics?
So like, you know, if the Supreme Court get is in session
and they're, they're making statements, you know, you, you,
you probably do want to pay attention to that.
If there's a bill that's in Congress, you don't have to
worry about that shit because there's not nothing gets passed
anymore. Things get passed through budget
reconciliation, stuff like that. You know, it is hard to tell
because I don't know it is. But the last two presidents have
It's not even that. They're just unfurling a scroll
and doing executive orders by by Fiat.
Like that's, that's the most basic level, the level of
politics the the monarch. The monarch has a proclamation
gathered around. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I, we, I don't know if we've talked about this before, but
certainly when I was a little kid, it was pretty obvious that
I don't know, I don't know if this is one of these things that
was for all time. I, I, I certainly doubt, I
assumed that lots of people are interested in politics in the
late 60s or stuff like that. But when I was a little kid, it
was pretty obvious that politics was a niche interest.
Like people being heavily interested in politics.
People like my grandma, like she would decide who she's going to
vote for the day before the election.
There was no real party loyalty at all.
Politics. People were you would watch
C-SPAN, which is like, I watched it as a kid, and it's just now
it's gone mainstream. But it's like, yeah, I could see
like, you know, they had to change Star Wars to make it
appeal to the broader audience rather than just nerds and
stuff. I don't know if you know the,
the I don't know if you can, you can tune up.
We know what Congress does enough to appeal to a broad
audience. I mean, you, you just have to
run these fake stories and stuff.
Most people you, you wouldn't watch these span like I would.
I don't think that makes me better or not.
It's just a, it's, it's a, it's a bizarre interest.
I, I don't think it's, it's super important in to people's
individual lives in ways that they think it is.
You have to. Tune up Congress.
Just watch Idiocracy. It's possible.
Well, and you and you and you know, you, you brought up sports
earlier. It's kind of like somebody who
shows up to watch the game on Sunday versus somebody who cares
about the damn NFL draft, you know what I'm saying?
Like like, like that, like the nuts and bolts, like the actual
stuff that anybody else would go.
Who cares? What time does the game start?
Where are we watching it, you know, or something like that,
like that. But everybody right now feels, I
mean, you feel like it's like that with everything, like
Marvel Comics. Like I had so many people.
I just emerged from COVID with Marvel T-shirts randomly and I
was like, oh, yeah, because you streamed everything.
You, you streamed whatever the hell was on the, the, the
streaming networks, Mandalorian or any of these things like
these, the Disney Plus, all, all these franchises.
And these are people I knew that I'm like, man, you never
mentioned no comic books when we were growing up, Like, like,
what the hell? What the hell?
But now with politics, everybody has everybody has an ideology.
And this is not new ground. I think this is like really
post, post Trump, honestly, I think Trump was the one thing
where everybody woke up and goes what?
That guy's president, Like that's crazy.
Like I'm going to start paying attention to politics now
because that guy, the guy from the TV when I was a kid is, is
the president and I, I, it's for the, it's not for the better, I
don't think like it's not for the better, but it's kind of
inevitable. And the reason I bring this up
and unfortunately Psy can't be here tonight.
He's, he's got a, he's got some family stuff going on.
It's all good stuff, guys. So if you guys are speculated,
it's all good things. But nonetheless, he's, he's
busy, but he, him and I have been talking and he has had some
opposite. He's a, he's a principled man.
This guy's a principled man. I mean, he, I mean, there isn't
a container. He doesn't read the backup
before he eats it there. He's, you know, just just as
principled as it gets. I think Paul, the game politics
to him sucks where you make concessions, you make deals,
you, you do all of this. And the reason I say all that
right now is when the bill came out, the big beautiful bill, he
was like, there's a lot of horse shit in there is what he said,
You know, and I'm like, yeah, no, there is.
And then, you know, with the Epstein stuff, he's like, well,
why would they announce the Epstein thing?
Like, why would they announce with the whole like Cash Patel?
And why would Trump use that as any sort of campaign thing if he
wasn't going to actually, you know, pursue it in a in what we
think? You know, I know they released,
they said nothing happened, then he killed himself, but you get
the idea. It got squashed and he, but for
somebody like that, I, I, I think with, with what the way
you guys talk about politics, I think you guys are rather
objective, even though to him it's probably not very fun.
That that's the truth. You know the game.
The patronage element, I guess, is what I'm getting at.
I, I have to keep people close to me that are principled
because I, you know, I realize I don't have, I don't really have
principles, but I don't, it's. We're going to get you right
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All right, enough of that. Let's get you back into the
episode. I'm not an evil person or
anything like that. And, you know, a lot of like,
you know, it would take, it would take forever to explain.
I, I, I actually have more this, this maybe this is like a, a 5D
thing or whatever. I have moral problems with, with
the idea of a politician with principles.
That's how messed up I am. But, you know, I, I am kind of
deep, deep into this, like, like so yeah.
The world can't exist without people with principles.
I mean, you know, I was I was reading in the past week about,
you know, the Battle of Midway and you know, Merrick, do you
know about, you know, the the big counter attack of Carrier
here, here you of with the Japanese.
Yeah, when it was after all the other carriers were sank, they
went in pretty much on the suicide mission.
They chart like it was. It was so they have there's one
fleet of Japanese ships was it was the the dominant like it
was, it was their their queen in a game of chess like this fleet
was bullying the entire Pacific Ocean.
It was 4 carriers and you know, Midway goes down.
It's the most famous battle of the war in naval and they have 4
carriers. 3 of the carriers are destroyed.
There's one carrier left. Any like any person, you have to
take that carrier back to Japan like you have to.
It's the only carrier you have left.
However, his, you know, those three, the three other ships,
they got sunk. Those men died.
And you know, the commanders by the way, and the US carriers got
the attack off and left. We, we got it, we got it, we got
it good. And then we sent in our surface
ships, which these ships at this point were considered
expendable. Like it's they're they're not
valuable and they sent them in and the Japanese commander of
the ship was like, I'm going to die on this battlefield charged
him. He's in a carrier.
A carrier is not useful in like a close range engagement with a
battleship, but he charges him and and he went down with the
ship, by the way, like, you know, it caught on fire and it
takes hours and hours, sometimes days for these ships to sink.
They had plenty had plenty of time to leave.
No, he went down and died on the ship because that's what you
did. You're honorable person that so
armies cannot function with without both a people that that
hopefully can say no, you must come back.
They didn't radios didn't work very well.
You've got maybe even turned off his radio people did stuff like
that but no you need to come back.
We have to have that carrier, but people people don't the guys
you want fighting and the war. You want people you want people
like your Co host here because. Yeah, he'll, he'll die.
He's going to be the guy that dies for the podcast.
I like this. This is great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I hate to torpedo
a good analogy, but like the counter attack was like the the
correct doctrine. You need, you needed to.
If you're him, you need to attack because you're not,
you're you're either going to get away or you're not going to
get away. And sinking like one or two
American carriers would mattered more than the hero you
surviving. It's like it it it, it was, it
was doctrinally correct. However, there was a good.
It was a good. Understand there was a point
where he knew that the the the carriers were gone, a surface
fleet was incoming and it was going to be them versus surface
fleet. OK.
But anyway, he he did, he does. He did go down with the ship,
Yeah. He certainly had a choice to
leave it. But yeah, you're you're right.
You do have to have every society needs people with
principles. And I don't think this is a
either or proposition. What happens is in the early
stages of a civilization or a nation or or an empire, the the
principles in the politics are. Pretty closely aligned because
they're a lot simpler you're you're when you're, and when
you're doing, when you're doing nothing but expanding, it's very
easy to adhere to your principles and still get the job
done because there's so much there's the pie is so big, it's
easy to give everybody a piece. The once the the empire starts
shrinking, then you reach the, you know, the, the, the two guys
on the lifeboat and they're deciding how to divvy up the
food. They're going to decide who
lives and dies. And that's a totally different
situation. And the the wrong kind of people
prosper in during decline because they're good at doing
this. They don't, they don't have any
compunction, which my colleague might say that he doesn't, but
that's he's that that's exaggeration.
He has a very good eye for for objectively analyzing politics,
but he's a good person. But the people who are in charge
of our country are not good people.
They're, they're pure evil. They don't care about anything
but themselves. As we, we, if you lived in the
21st century, you already understand.
You don't even need someone to explain it to you anymore.
After years of lockdowns, sexual abuse scandals, wars, they're
they're horrible people. Yeah, I mean, that's, and that's
where ultimately where I stand. It's like, look, you, you, you
believe in God, though My my principles are with God, you
know what I'm saying? And I have them.
I have them for the country too. Like there's certain things
where most of it's pharma related, most of it's free
speech related, where I'm like any real infringement on any of
those two, I'm usually, I'm usually Mel Gibson and the
Patriot. You know, I'm retiring from
making rotten rocking chairs and, and, and, and getting out
and getting active and stuff. But I, I, you know, for him,
when, when he, I, I guess what you know, and to anybody who's
listening who doesn't know what this is, there's no reason to
log on the Internet and find out.
But there are a lot of people who now that Trump has taken
power, again, if you are to criticize even from somebody who
wanted him to win, right, Somebody who wanted him to win.
But if you are to say like, I don't, I don't like this.
I don't like that. Not that I preferred Kamala
Harris because again, it's kind of a straw man.
When when when some people say that I just don't like a lot of
the hive mind of like you're like, oh, secret Lib tard,
secret Lib tard. It's like, I mean, it's it's a
take. And you guys talked about this
recently on your show. Kind of just like it's OK to
spaz out a little bit. You know what I mean?
It's like, I mean, you're not at the end of the day, it's going
to I mean, what would it take for anybody to go back to the
Democrat Party? Like you'd need a lobotomy,
you'd need a factory reset. You would need some sci-fi thing
to have that happen. I mean, they're mutilating
children and doing all of these, you know, actively telling you
that your kids don't belong to you and all these all of these
horrible things. I mean, if you want to talk
about lack of principles, I just know the whole like panic thing
where it's like, hey, like if you're trusting the plan, just
kind of kick back for a little bit and you know, like, let the
plan unfold. Like, don't worry about what the
people on the Internet are saying, you know?
You asked the vital question. You asked the vital question
though, what would it take to get people to go back to the
Democrats? And the answer to that is really
simple. A better deal.
They just have to, if the Democrats get their get their
shit together and offer people who aren't illegal immigrants
and professional class women something and and obviously
minorities when it comes to the stuff like civil rights law.
If they ever did that, they could, they could be right back
on top because that's what people, that's what people
brings people to vote. So, so you know, that's the
answer. So, but panicking doesn't
prevent that or help that. So there's no point in doing
that. I mean, it's fun to, it's fun to
chip out on politicians who serve you because you, that you,
that's the complaint. But right.
Like, that's the relationship, yeah, but.
Chipping out on each other. There's no point doing it.
That's what I mean like, like, I know, I know this for a fact.
I know a lot of the people who are saying that like they're in
in no way a threat to be going back to the Democrat Party.
And then it just because of this division, that's not necessary.
I mean, I don't think it has electoral implications of what
people are saying. I don't even think it affected
midterms. I think it's just I'm sorry,
we're in a cesspool of social media with a bunch of avatars
and somebody says, I don't like this and somebody says, hey,
fuck you. You know, it's like, that's
fine. But just this whole like, and if
we lose in 2022, this is on you for panicking in seven months.
And I guess that's a weird like, I feel like, like I feel like
that's almost not used to winning people not used to
winning people that act like that, you know what I'm saying?
And. So I, I mean, I, I, I'm all the
way there with you. So I mean, I can make a strong
defense for, for even, you know, for, for all the way.
So you know who's the blonde Republican commentator?
Narrow it down, buddy. Very skinny.
Very. Tommy Lahren.
Nah, she's tall. She's probably in her 50s.
Ann Coulter. Coulter.
Coulter Game. The Queen, the Deadhead dude.
Yeah, absolutely. Ann Coulter did nothing but
bitch and complain about Trump for like, I don't know, the last
10 years and every Trump supporter benefit from that
massively, massively. We all benefit that from that
massively because she was complaining about things that
were echoing bases a lot of people in his bases thoughts,
and it would be very a lot of those people would have been
like, I guarantee you a lot of that that stuff she said.
There's people, you know, boring people or you know, a Jack
Posobiak or or guys like that who who who need to maintain
like a who they they probably have relationships with the
White House and stuff. Oh, I mean, I can go a step
further. There's people who work for
Trump that under their breath when when people like that or
Tucker lately when they're when they're giving in the business
are thinking to themselves like, yeah, good.
Because well, there there's a guy that there's a guy that
wrote a book that that he did his thought experiment.
It's like it's like, OK, what can I do as an individual person
that doesn't run for politics to to mold, to have the biggest
impact as an individual, not as a someone that's organizing a
group or, or something like that, But what kind of my
biggest impact can be. It's like, OK, you can vote.
It's like what what would have a bit a much bigger impact than
vote? And it was basically more or
less like spreading his number 1, he said to spread rumors
online that a politician you want to lose is ill, that
they're sick. And the idea was that this is
true. You notice this happens to both
candidates in every single presidential election.
That's not a vote thing. That is a thing to to try to
freak out like the billionaires and stuff because they're afraid
that they donate money to them, though that money becomes
expired Ious basically. But the other one was basically
write angry letters to to politicians saying I'm never
going to vote for you again, you son of a bitch.
Because in everything I've ever read, all the patron stuff, like
it's all based on the idea that a politician's goal was to
survive. And, and they're that's they're
thinking that all the time. They've got all kinds of people
yelling at them all the time, but and they can never know
exactly how many people are angry.
And that does speak to them in a way that well, how well, how do
you like, how would you have a reasonable conversation with
Trump, the Trump, the the White House itself about complaints?
You can't really, you can go online and you can say I'm never
going to vote for you again. You but you son of a bitch and
stuff like this. And that unfortunately that that
is the way for some people that that probably I'm sending to
you. But it's certainly not, not, not
wrong to complain by the way, regardless of all the political
crap. I mean, it was, it is very like
stupid. And they they were all this Cash
Patel and this Pam Bondi and one of these other characters.
They were teasing this stuff even after he had won.
Like, if you like, you know, the, the snake in me would be
fine. It'd be like, hey, you know,
hey, we need a couple more votes where things are looking shaky.
Just tell them. Don't promise them this.
You know, I, I, I, I, I can that that's not, you know, that's not
highly honorable thing, but I. Don't think it did though.
I, I honestly don't even, I think that was such an unforced
error because I just don't think that was a deciding factor for a
lot of people. They kept doing it even after
the election. Yeah, exactly.
That's why, That's why. That's the part I like, I
struggle with where I'm like, it ain't about.
And we're going to talk about a guy later.
We're going to put him through our our ringer, you know, like a
little bit later. It's a part of this.
But you think about it, you're just like, to me, like it's like
the class pizza party thing, right?
Like when you're a kid, it's like you have you can't fathom
having a pizza party unless your teacher mentions that there's a
possibility of having a pizza party.
Yeah, I hate using the pizza analogy for this, but you know
what I mean? Like it's just, it's just like
like you, you, your teacher goes well, if we get, you know, if
you guys get your head out of your ass, you'll get you know,
we'll do this and then, you know, you got teacher pretty
much has to do it at that point if the needs are met, you know
what I mean? I don't think any most people
were voting for Trump because of mass immigration.
All you know, a lot of these other things, the exit polls, I
I, I they mirror what I've heard from people too.
I most people I know that are deep into the FC and shit, I
mean deep into it. Don't vote like they just don't.
Because when you get down to that, it's kind of a weird
bipartisan thing that black pills you a little bit.
And I'm not hating on anyone to do it. 2018.
I was right there like you just I, I don't know, like if that
part feels weird to me, like is, is this whole element of it.
But I think you were making a larger point out of that.
But I I just wanted to say something.
That's a great point. I mean, I always used to bring
up one of my my favorite political podcast ever was Dan
Carlin's now closed one. Not Hardcore History, but.
Common sense. Common sense.
And, you know, he, he, he laid out this, this his political,
his political program in there. And his program was this, he
said that there's no real point to follow any kind of politics
other than the only politics that would matter at all would
be some kind of legal, some kind of legal crackdown on the United
States intelligence community. That basically they were so
powerful that that it would be like, you know, it would be like
voting, the voting for the president, like voting for the
mayor of Moscow. And that's all the power you
have in while living under, you know, Stalinist, the Soviet
Union. It's like there's not really
anything that matters. And, and because these people
sort of run, run everything. I thought that was that I, I
really, that is, you know, that's not a, that's not a
terrible way to go. I mean I don't agree with it,
but but you could do a hell of a lot worse.
Carlin Carlin was really, I mean, really we, we have a
podcast because we like to Dan Carlin.
We got the idea for him. We try, we, we tried to do it a
couple times and we never really got it down.
But it's really sad that the way he became, he became famous and
then he got TDs. Like, I mean, he still puts out
common sense. He put one out like, I don't
know, two or three months ago, but they're just yeah, but you
don't want to listen to because I.
Don't have a lot of common sense, does it?
But exactly the The thing is, you can you can never go wrong
saying like for your one thing to be.
I hate the intelligence services because inevitably an empire,
the secret police become they either become an important
faction, which that's obviously already happened, or worse yet,
they just take over the country. And, you know, there are people
who have conspiracy theories about that, that I, I, I have no
problem accepting. It's very, I mean, we had this,
the director of the CIA was the president and from from what,
889 to 93 is. George Bush, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
So, you know, you could, yeah, I could see that argument.
But the the problem is this creates in people an idea that
like the CIA intelligence services are, are all powerful
Superman. And I don't, I think that's a
big mistake because I think that we've seen a lot of things in
the last couple years that point to them actually not being very
good at their job, which that could be a white pill or a black
pill, depending. On what event?
What are you talking about? Like specifically events.
Just just their their overall behavior, the their if they're
like like that, like the Epstein case would be a perfect one.
If this was a cover up conspiracy, it was performed
extremely badly. Like you, you, you had to kill
this guy in a federal facility with the entire world watching.
That's, I mean that's not a super all powerful CIA.
That's like the mafia. That's not exactly high impact,
high impact and low visibility. You got him with a taxi like
Tesla man, you got to fucking nail him with a taxi after.
Yeah, where was the heart attack gun for for this?
Yeah, exactly. You got to hit him with a taxi,
a heart attack gun. I mean, it's it's that playbook.
I feel like it's West Coast offense at this point.
I feel like it still works. But the problem, you know, the
problem is you can't say it's a white, all these guys are idiots
because if they're running the country and they're idiots,
that's a whole, that's a whole new passel of problems.
Right. No, I, I agree.
I, I think it's, I think ultimately with me as I separate
the two, I am conspiratorial like that, like I, I am long
term, like I just knew there were a few things, there were a
few issues that I was like, no, that's a partisan issue.
And it's like obviously a partisan issue.
A good. And that's why I was like, at
the end of the day, like I might have my criticisms, but it's
like what I am in no danger of ever.
I mean, case in point today, I sit down and listen to my
governor. Yes, I have to say he's my
governor. I'm not doing the not my
president. He is my governor of my state of
California. Gavin Newsom sat down with a
former CIA guy named Shawn Ryan. I've never seen anything Shawn
Ryan had ever done before. I don't know what to think of
him. I do think he needs to hire a a
Jamie type like Rogan has because Gavin Newsom was just
saying wrong things constantly that could have easily
BeenVerified to his own face. But neither here nor there.
You know, Newsom is this guy right now that is trying to
capitalize on what looks like chaos right now from Trump.
Like, like, I don't know. I don't view it as super chaotic
other than maybe a few minor things, but I think to any
Democrat right now or what Newsom's trying to represent
now, Newsom is a legitimate like left, like radical left person.
Like his policies are like what radical left people think like a
lot of times. He's made no mistake.
He's like, that's what I studied, that's what I wanted to
be when I grew up as like a radical left kind of politician.
His favorite politician of all time is RFK Senior.
He's just one of those people who wants to do that.
But he understands that the Democrat Party has a
testosterone problem. Now.
I believe he does too. But he can cosplay a little bit.
He can do the kind of sitting in the chair, inquisitively
enlightened conversation with somebody I don't agree with.
I, I talked to America about this.
But Bob, did you see anything from that, from that interview
at all? No, no, I haven't.
Well, that's a real funny way how they and I should have
downloaded the clip, but they started the podcast off Sean.
I don't know if this is the thing he does with all his
guests, but he got them a he got Gavin Newsom a gift.
He got him a Sig Sauer pistol and just handed it to him and
Newsom goes, I love these and he's like really nervous because
it's like, obviously you don't, but, or at least politically you
don't. He says he's wins all these
awards for skeet shooting and stuff.
I'm I love guns, but we just I do common sense gun stuff.
Oh, common sense guy, you know, and he does all of these.
The he kind of it's weird. He's adopted this new kind of
like Biden, like what do you mean?
What are you talking about? He says adopted this now and he
did not used to talk like that. They are gearing him for the
run. And now I think this was
supposed to happen many years ago, the run for president.
I think in 2020 it was supposed to happen.
But he really was, he really is not a very good politician.
And I would like to know, Bob, with your objective, non
principled view, and I don't say that as a pejorative, do you
think Gavin Newsom is a good politician?
I wonder if you gave him a 320 because that would be pretty
funny. I can look that up.
I don't I don't know anything about guns.
But Bob, I want to hear your answer and I'll let you guys
know what he gave him. Yeah, So First off, so every
Sean, Sean Ryan's podcast with like, you know, the like all the
military guys, it's always like really good anything with
politics. He is a massive bullshitter.
This. Guy, he's not very good.
The guy bullshits all the time. He always says like I'm in the
in my next. Sorry, it was a three six.
It was a six hour, P 365. The 3:20 is is been the Army
bought like 5 billion of them and they've been proven they'll
they'll blow up and kill you. Yeah.
It's that would that should be funny.
Based. Yeah, I know.
Like Looney Tunes? Yeah, yeah.
So the, well, First off, I'd say the the the guy who has Newsom's
number the best is Adam Corolla. He is the best.
He's the opposite of him. Everyone should go look up the
interview that that. I can't believe that he agreed
to go on a Corolla's show when Corolla was, I think he was just
on radio at that time. Corolla just destroyed him.
You know, Corolla's whole thing. And that's where I'm going with
is that he doesn't have thoughts like he, he, he doesn't have us.
Now I, I, if I live there, I feel like I could give a better
interpretation, but I, I, I've always considered like, I've
always very much because there is a thing.
I, I always bring up someone like Boogie 2988, you know,
that's this guy. No.
So there's this thing that's like, it's, it's, it's not a bad
idea to look at someone and estimate their charisma based on
how they look. It's it's it's a.
I'm looking at them. Yeah, I know.
I OK. Good thing you told me that.
It's like, you know that it's a pretty decent guide, but it's
certainly not foolproof. I think Republicans, we learned
this with the the Mormon guy. Romney.
Romney Romney looks like 1,000,000 bucks in terms of like
a presidential guy. It's a.
Retired athlete, like kind of guy, like, you know, like Steve
Garvey. Steve Garvey type looking guy,
Yeah. Yeah, if you're making like a,
you know, a Jerry Bruckheimer film, you want like him to be
the president, that movie or you always think of there's a guy
Boogie 2988. People listen to this, they'll
probably know one of these. This guy is just a sack of shit,
man. He's like, and that's his thing.
I mean he like like he's ugly, he's fat, he's a liar, He's just
a not a good person in any way possible.
However, like and I I think it's like unmistakable, like, you
know, if this guy flips onto the a webcam, millions of people
want to watch him. There's a level charisma that he
has that there's plenty of of. I can show people there's plenty
of very, very handsome people that can't get more than than
100 views on their YouTube videos.
And this is this is magnified in in politics and politics.
I'm telling you, being good looking helps.
It certainly helps with with the ladies and stuff like that, but
it is you got to be careful. You got to be careful because
people like you just look at him.
You think, OK, I'm sure that guy's super charismatic.
He might not be. However, I would not want to
miss underestimate him. And I do think the libs could
probably go, they could do worse in terms of like having like a,
a, a just like an avatar for the left in terms of like what he
comes from, You know, what if people aren't big into Epstein,
I'm sure they listen. They're probably into Darrell
Cooper. Darrell Cooper's done a lot of
stuff on the sort of Bay Area radical left scene.
That's not something, you know, Jim Jones and Angela Davis and
and by the way, Willie Brown and and all this kind of stuff like
like that. These people became they were in
a lot of ways they were. It's not just like they.
Took over the country, yeah. Yeah, they did.
Yeah, and they are like the most influential people like, if not
like like, like, you know, exactly in terms of whatever,
there's some guy donates a lot. But these are the sort of the,
the rock stars that, that people like, you know, people that went
and to to college, they got pH DS in, in political science
stuff and their managing campaigns and stuff.
They were the people they looked up to as, as the, you know, the,
the, the rock stars and stuff. And he was there, man.
I don't know, like, I'm not like he was very young.
He was, he volunteered Willie Brown and stuff like that.
But like, like all that stuff was there.
And so in that way, I almost, I almost feel like, you know, that
is what you guys are like. Like, I mean, not, not, I mean,
the Democrat Party is and can be a lot of things.
I mean, it's a huge country and it's not just one thing or the
other, but like as far as the big power bases and stuff, the
Lib Inc or whatever. I mean, they could do worse in
terms of, and I, I'm not saying that is a positive thing.
I, I think it's AI think what, what went on there in the 60s in
the Bay Area was evil. But well, that's what it I don't
know. The issue a little, a little
inside baseball, I guess. But the issue here is if he
wants to, if he wants to get the nomination to be for Democrats
to be president, he has to cut a deal with Clyburn and, or, or, I
mean, if Clyburn, Clyburn is an old man, it's possible by the
time that we we get into the primary that he won't be
involved in politics anymore. He has to get the, the Black
Caucus to support him because whoever wins South Carolina is
probably going to win the nomination.
And that's his problem. He's he's very weak there.
However, he's a slimy guy. He might, he might make some
promises and, and get the, and get the thumbs up.
And as as Glenn pointed out where he and I were talking
about earlier, the coverage pretty bare for them right now.
I don't see any any, any shining stars at the moment.
So, you know, they could, they could do worse than this guy.
But he's he's no Obama. No, I mean, like I said, if he
was they would have they he he would have done a couple years
as the governor and he would I think they would have ran him
right, right away in 2020 if that was the case.
Now a couple some background now, Newsom gave a very
interesting life story to Sean Ryan on this podcast.
It was. So he talks about coming from
nothing. That's what he's saying.
I came from nothing, single mom, San Francisco.
So I was like, I don't think that's right.
Like, you know, whatever. So apparently his dad was a
legal advisor to the Italian division of Getty Oil and he was
a tax attorney for the Getty family.
So all right, right then and there, you come from nothing.
Now, his dad went schizo. And this is true.
After doing LSD experiments at Stanford University, he just had
a straight up nervous breakdown and moved to Lake Tahoe and left
his entire family. I, I, I, you know, this guy
becomes a judge after that, by the way, an American judge.
That's just what he just becomes a judge after that.
So there's a lot of weird blanks that come in there.
There's a lot of operation paper clip, a lot of stuff happening
that he obviously didn't, didn't bring in.
But he's like, yeah, and I'm learning all these new things
about my dad. He was do an LSD at Stanford
under these like and even Shawn Ryan's like is that MK Ultra?
And he's like, yeah, I don't know, maybe that's it could be
and what whatever. You know, Newsom then I think
somehow gets in. I don't know how, but he gets in
with the Pelosi family. I buy some sort of marriage,
marriage kind of thing. He he basically that's how he
did play the game right in that way.
Now, like, you know, his dad and him, he says they didn't have
any kind of relationship. But I guarantee you anything,
any interview you walk into, you say I'm William Alfred Newsome,
the third son as your as your leading thing.
I would imagine that's what you do when you're in there.
The problem is it's like man, you're like, like you said, he
has everything that you would need to be the next Obama.
Obviously not the race thing, but for the most part, I don't
know you, you you think he he he also like he'd said, he's like,
I'm dyslexic. I can't read basically like off
paper. So he then spends that to say,
well, I'm going to say what's on my mind all the time.
I don't I can't read a teleprompter.
So he's trying to be like funny, he's cussing during the
interviews. He's doing all of these all of
these things to try to appeal to like the steak eating American
who might be flustered with what's happening right now.
I don't think it's going to work.
And I think a lot of more people are outside of California are
more scared of him than the people who live here who don't
like him. And I'll be honest with you,
I've been to a lot of people's houses in California.
I've been to the Omni Libtards house in California.
I'm not going to name their name, but they are the Omni
Libtard. They are the all seeing one, the
one that that just is, has everything you could think of.
RBG Coasters, everything. Not one picture of Gavin Newsom
in the house. He's he's just not that popular.
The specter of the right wing takeover for Gavin Newsom is the
selling point to Gavin Newsom, which means they don't like you
that much. And he was, I think Larry Elder
was trying to take his spot for a while.
Lost, got his ass kicked. I mean, it wasn't even, it
wasn't even close, but it wasn't people weren't excited about
Gavin Newsom. He's just this known commodity
because he basically invented gay marriage in America.
I mean he did like that's that's that was what made him a a star
was gay marriage. That was that was his biggest
thing at the city level. And again in the in the I like
the city a lot, but it is objectively the the gayest city
on Earth, San Francisco. He got that done and then that
became Proposition 8 in California.
And then we are where we are now.
Well, however you feel about that's however you feel about
that, That's like the only thing he's really done that people
actually like because he floated out by 2035, no gas cars.
We don't want that. That's not going to happen.
But he's like, he floats out these ideas that are deeply
unpopular even within his own coalition.
I think it's, it's just, it's odd like he, he actually has a
lot of radical left ideas, but leftists think he's just as
capitalist because he was a restaurateur and some wine guy
who got in with who had rich, you know, had connections
through it that they don't, they don't, which I, I, I hate to
break. That's how a lot of big time
left to skip power. Fidel Castro's family owned
sugar cane fields and everything.
I mean, it's just, it's actually, it's actually kind of
Lendy when you, when you think about it, but he is not, I don't
think he's that big of a threat. I do think he's the nomination
and right now he, he, I think he tried to win a standoff with
Trump on this immigration thing without realizing that like
immigration, mass immigration being the biggest issue was like
81% at the exit polls. Whether you agree with that or
not, it's got to be at least over 50.
And I don't know, that's just what I say.
Little context to it all. I think what's miss like so the
the Democrat Party right now, they don't really in between
factions and I'll just put there's, there's all these don't
we can just go with the two factions that really matter.
That's like people under 40 and people over 40 and the people
under 40 are in terms of likely voters are probably a lot less.
But these people have a lot of I I mean, well, I don't know any
for presidential election. They're very important and these
people fill out campaigns and stuff and well, you know, with
the with the Republican Party, I was listening to distributors,
Dave. He was talking about this like
we we talk or with right right wing, you know, like, you know,
I call James Lindsay slurs on Twitter.
You. Know we, we, there's, there's
dialogue like if you go to the left, they don't really.
And by the way, there's, there's also there's debates and stuff.
The people, guys like us will debate these, you know, guys,
the, the establishment guys all the time, the Democrats, I don't
know why they don't do this right now.
And the, the, the boomer left, just they have this completely
different conception of politics.
And that's fine that that's not like out out of like a like,
however, they're not able. They're they're just them.
And the younger people are living in completely different
worlds right now. And like, you know, if you're
the young left people, you're really into Palestine and you
want some kind of like energy. And what's what's so like,
what's so weird about this is that Gavin is to like he has
Gavin has this, he was there man.
Like I like, I guarantee you that he when he was a little
kid, I mean, when he was 1819 working for Willie Brown and
stuff like that. I get I bet you that he knew the
guys in in the Weather Underground and Andrew Davis and
like Jones, like the the the kids, they don't understand.
No, this guy is your guy. However, he has done he's done
too much to like like we know. I don't even no one thinks of
him him that way. He is he he's he became he
Larped so much that I don't know like like it's no one could even
buy that from now like like you people did the kids.
They don't know he he he he would have thrown 10 times more
Molotov cocktails than you at the Palestine protest that like
he really does get you. He is just like you.
He has that energy, but he he has just like just take it out
of himself aesthetically. I think if he was, I think on
paper, this is the guy who could, who could, you know,
broker this sort of like a philosophical or at least
aesthetic combination for the young Democrats and the older
Democrats. I don't, I'm not talking about
voting so much here as like people that are highly invested
in politics, you know, people who tweet too much the, the, the
wine ants and the, the radical left protesters and stuff.
He is like on paper he is absolutely the guy to bridge
that. But I don't, I don't know why
that's missing, because he he certainly could.
Yeah, he has, he's completely vapid.
I mean, it's, it's one of these things like you, you, you, he
just, he tries to find this like it's one of those like things
where it's like, I'm going to say something everybody likes
and then nobody likes you, you know, and I can't say nobody
likes the guy. One, I mean, you know, he got he
got a pretty powerful position in government and I think it's
because he buttered his bread on both sides.
I mean really, he really did. He kind of he does.
He just had to he was able to get in with the Pelosi's.
He was, like you said, probably able, probably knew people in
the Weather Underground, these big these, these big kind of
like radical groups and stuff. But at the end of the day, he
governs like a normie Democrat. But has that California like
that, that California we're looking towards not this year,
but but 50 years from now and our state, you know, and, and,
and you know, at the end of the day, he does owe the LGBTQ
community. He like owes them a lot of a lot
of patronage, right? Like he owes them a lot, which
that's kind of the issue with a lot of people when you think
about it, like a lot of the people who ran away from that
side. That's that's a big issue is
the, is the, is the basically, you know, forcing that stuff on
on everybody at all times. It despite claiming to be such a
small percentage that you should not worry about he owes them a
lot. So even if he does want to
regress to this kind of like, look, this fake bully that's in
the White House that this is what he was doing.
I'm trying this fake bully who calls me Newsome new scum.
I've been hearing that since I was in 7th grade.
Everyone calls me newscum. It doesn't mean anything.
You know, this is which is like beta.
Everybody's been calling you that since 7th grade.
But he, he's like, I'm not, I'm tough basically like PC
principal from South Park is what he's trying to be right
now. Like just the, the, the like
tough, tough guy. But I fight for the little guy
because I'll fight, but I'll fight for him.
And I just, I think that is just so played out.
I don't think that works. I don't think anybody.
I like I said, I live here and I don't hear anybody say anything
about Gavin Newsom ever, unless they hate him.
Well, that that line worked the first time around because they
were able to cut Trump completely.
And I'm not, I mean, I'm not absolving him and his his
cabinet first time around. They really, they screwed up.
They did. They acted weak.
And so that line played well. It doesn't it doesn't play well
now because he's using law affair effectively.
He's getting he's getting his way.
He had, he had the military in California and all Newsom could
do was complain about it. The, the, I think the key, the,
the key thing not to mess with him is that because of his age,
you know, yeah, I'm sure he did know.
He did meet political people who were involved in like the 60s
reckless. But The thing is, when he met
them, they were like the University of Chicago, right?
He he this guy's like he's a baby when the, when the Weather
Underground is is getting arrested.
So it's kind of the for for their perspective, the best of
both worlds, but the worst of both worlds from everyone else
is where he's got that Atari Democrat typical bullshit like
economic and and political background, but also this super
Lib, sorry, super liberal, progressively liberal social
ideas. And I, I think the, the course
for that has, has long since run.
People are fatigued, like even people who were who were happy
to go along with the rainbow flag stuff until recently, the,
the transsexual things. Just that was a bridge too far
for, for normal for normies. And he is, whether correctly or
not. I mean, I think obviously he,
he, he deserves this. He is connected to that.
Now then again, all this being said, if there's a a lot of
economic problems, if there's a bad campaign by JD Vance or
whoever, and you know, this guy could be president, it's that
simple. If he can pitch something to, if
he can pitch people in convincing the slimy guys going
to deliver the goods they'll go for, they'll put up with the
rainbow flag stuff just like they put up with stuff from
Trump that obviously there's a lot of stuff that Trump does
that most, most voters don't like.
But they'll put up with it for the stuff that they can get from
him that they can't get from anybody else.
What can Newsom? What can Newsom deliver that
nobody else can? He?
Literally takes things away from you.
He literally is like, we're taking this away from you.
And that's good. Actually, it's, it's like your
gas powered car is ruining the world.
You're you know, he, he cannot. I mean, you want to talk about a
thing that made a lot of people go forward the, the vaccine
stuff, the COVID stuff. He basically says he's like,
look, we're putting together a report of everything we did
wrong and it's coming out in six months, John.
So I can't say it right now is basically what he says.
And then he's like, but the vaccines work.
That stuff's great. Like that, that and six month
old kids. Yes, absolutely all the time.
They should work all they they and and I'm like, hey, you're
not winning anybody new. Like that's that's what I meant.
Like it's just I don't see anybody right now in the same
way. I said I didn't think appointing
Cash Patel to the cat, the thought of that was going to get
the Epstein voter guy who swore off of any sort of electoral
politics. I don't think that was going to
that brought a sizable amount of people in.
I don't think that what Newsom's rebranding thing for one, like
people know who he is. Like it's like, man, I've been
seeing you for the last 10 years.
You know, like really for me, he's been the mayor of San
Francisco since I've been in high school.
So I've been seeing him for a long time.
But it's just like I, I, I, I thought he bombed on there like
on the Sean Ryan thing. And I don't think I think most
Democrats are going to see that and go, what the hell are you
doing talking to this lunatic Sean Ryan?
You know, like I, I just did to me most of the time, like
they're so tribal right now. They're not trying to do any
sort of populist outreach. They still think a winning
system is everybody's racist except us.
Everybody's evil except us. Everybody's subhuman except us.
So why don't you stop being subhuman and vote for us?
That's like essentially what their their platform is.
But they might just put a different person in there, you
know, to say that. So I mean, I told you, you were
going to die in 2021. If you do weren't, they're like,
hey, you're going to die this winter.
That's our political platform. Is anybody?
Does anybody still support the vaccine?
I mean, I know obviously super lives and there are insane
people who are still wearing the masks and stuff that like
they're still on board with this.
Like I, I occasionally see a person wearing, wearing a mask
in public and it's, it's, it's like, it's like seeing somebody
riding one of those penny farting bicycles.
Like, wow, you're still, you're still on that, huh?
Members only jacket, Yeah. Yeah, you can always go into
that one part, the long COVID part of Twitter and yeah, they.
Go hard. Yeah, they're out there.
I do think that, you know, politically that the key point
that I think Merrick, you brought up in the thing you said
before, the biggest gap he's got right now, like the he needs to
most likely worry about is black people in terms of things that
he needs to change. Not that he hates black people,
whatever, but like, you know, patronage wise, currently Black
people don't, don't really don't are, are there's certainly they
have a lot less power in California politics than they do
in nationwide Democrat primary politics.
And people don't know like the, the, the percentage of black
people in California cities has been like cratering for the past
like 10 years or whatever. And so they're just not that
they don't have that clout. And you know, it's possible.
Well, Clyburn's a great example. You know, Clyburn's base is, is
like The Who, you know, they, they got the South Carolina
primary and everything. He leads the black, the Black
Caucus. You know, Clyburn's base is, you
know, you wouldn't say conservative, but they're these
boomer black people who they're not, they're not super pro LGBT
And they're, they're just kind of very much the they're,
they're super Democrats. They're, but they're very much.
Like the opposite of of a California what what wins in
California Democrat politics. So and he and he can he can make
shifts, but he needs to he needs to get you know, he needs to
start shucking and jiving. He's got to start.
He's got to start race hustling more, but he does not need to in
in California politics but did. You see when he tried to play
basketball. No, Yeah, it's a really good
clip, man. I implore every every listener
to look it up of there were Chinese kids visiting San
Francisco. It was kind of the whole thing.
Remember when when I think Trump got mad at him for for cleaning
up the city finally for for China to come through.
I guess that was what they to clean up San Francisco or all
the people were making fun of that.
But there was this Chinese kid and he tried to do one of those
playful cross up. He the kid took a charge.
He flopped on top of the kid. The kid fell over.
This is like a nine year old kid.
And I thought the kid was in legal defensive position outside
the restricted area. Personally, I would have, I
would have called the offensive foul on Newsome.
I'm sure the Secaucus, New York people would, would, would,
would agree with me there. But it was just, it was, it was
funny. It's just like he's kind of a
joke, you know, like, and again, Joe Biden through Fortification
1, he was brain dead. So you can't count anybody out.
But it again, it was through election fortification and
hopefully, hopefully that's over.
But I'll to be honest, I don't know.
I don't know if that's over SO. You know, Kamala is the is she
the first? She's definitely the first
recent California Democrat to to run for president.
I there's a reason that hasn't happened in the past and Bog
beef outlined it. The, the, the structural, I
guess the, the political structure of the Democrat party,
the way the primaries work, the American black Democrat voters
are the most important in the in the primary, as Bernard Sanders
found out. And actually Bernard Sanders
found that out twice and that once against Biden and once
against Clinton. But The thing is because of
demographic change. Well, Bobby voices like Los
Angeles has already gone from like Los interest had a large
black population when we were young and now it's it's the
majority they all at this point. They all left, yeah.
Like we were look at this the other day, Chicago is now 30%
Hispanic, 30% black. And actually suspense have edged
them out a little bit. And this is, this is a problem
when you have a party that's has a lot of ethnic blocks within
it. And these changes they're, this
is one of the reasons why you saw movement towards Trump from
people who hadn't previously voted for him.
So that's, that's the big issue for Newsom.
However, I guess a double edged sword.
You got a couple election cycles.
If the if the demographics continue on the way they are,
they won't be a well, black Democrats won't be in charge of
the party anymore. Actually, maybe that's maybe
that's already true. I have.
I just don't believe that because of South Carolina being
first in the primaries. But you know, because we, we
love, we love Jim Clyburn on the good old boy show.
He's at 80. He's 84 years old.
That man's not going to be around forever.
Who they got in the bullpen so that that's the way you can edge
him. But like, Kamala was a, I guess
the bellwether about this. She was not an impressive
politician by any means, but she checked off some boxes and
Clyburn basically got her her post.
I does anybody think that's going to it's going to change
that much in four years? I don't.
I think that you're going to need their seal of approval.
And I have a hard time seeing Newsom getting that.
But you know that that's his problem, not ours.
Yeah, true. Mom Donnie was another good
example of black people reason why Mom Donnie won.
I mean, you know, it's just one reason among many, but it's
basically that black people don't have the same clout they
have in New York City Democrat politics that they used to.
There's just way way way less than them.
Shall we move on to our the meat of the discussion today?
We've it's kind of a tradition whenever you guys come on the
show, we take 4:00-ish subjects. I think we have three people and
a a head to head that I proposed today for we rate them alpha
beta. Of course, you know, it's all
it's all completely objective. There's no subjectivity.
We are running this through AI and just reading the results.
Of course, it's not our personal opinions.
The there was no rules for this one with who we were going with.
Now I want to start with there's two guys that I believe you guys
proposed that. I do wish I do wish Sai was here
for this one, but I'll do my best.
I'll do my best to channel him through a like a side medium
like he normally like he normally would.
But let's start with with Doctor Atkins.
I love this one. Yeah, the father of the Atkins
diet. For anybody who doesn't know if
you guys were around, if you guys are like millennials or
genet or like older, that was a one of the first diet crazes I
ever witnessed was the Atkins diet.
Now, I intended that to be a head to head between the two,
the two people while listening, but I I don't want to.
I don't want to get your listeners in the upper against
you. No, no.
No, no, no. I think that works even better.
That's great. Actually, I I think that's good.
We have a couple head to heads. I love it.
So yes. OK, so either way, you still
have to kind of, you know, we're still going to go about it the
same way, but it is a head to head.
I like this a lot. So Robert Atkins, the Atkins
diet now it is it's kind of, I think it's been refined a little
bit nowadays. I think like keto is kind of
like a refining. I'm not a diet expert despite
being on a show where you would think I would be.
I'm most certainly not feeling like one right now.
But the Robert Atkins basically was like more or less was like a
eat a shit ton of meat. Doesn't matter if it's sopping
in grease, doesn't matter anything.
No carbs, do not touch the carbs.
And if you're, you know, playing football or something, or you're
a young guy, like even in your like 20s or something, and
you're like working out everyday, you're working, you
know, construction or something, you're, you're like moving shit
around all day. When you follow the Atkins diet,
like you can get jacked. I mean, you can get big.
You could just be bulking. You could just, and if you're
lifting weights and stuff, you can get big.
Doctor Atkins. I'm just looking at the way he
died. He died.
He, he, I will say he died like, like the guy on the Segway,
Remember the guy who invented the Segway, fell off the Segway
and died. Like, I didn't know that.
I maybe that's urban legend, but I think enter of Segway death.
But yeah, he you know. Massive heart attack, right?
This is how Atkins died. But yeah, the, oh, the owner of
Segway, excuse me, not the inventor.
He died in a Segway related accident.
So that's pretty pretty. I think it's kind of based,
honestly, when you think about it, it's like, hey, I I, I love
this so much that it's what killed me.
It's like almost Siegfried and Roy, you know, it's like this
kind of like, not that, not that I think those guys are based or
anything, but just, it's when you get killed by the thing you
invented, it's not a good idea, but it's alpha in my opinion.
I think Atkins is kind of, yeah. It was a massive heart attack,
probably diet related. I would say.
I, I just, I just, I, I am not an expert in this, but when you
die at 72 and it's a massive heart attack, like he, I'm
pretty sure the Atkins diet just stuff in your face and he looks
like a guy. He, he looks like a guy who
could just throw him down at the heart attack grill in Arizona or
something. He, he looks like that type of
guy. His coronary arteries were 30 to
40% blocked his cardiology. Yeah.
And. And.
And so he. This was in 2001.
He died in 2003. I bet you we got to 50.
And.
And because why stop there? He's like, guys, I can't stop.
The books must sell. My dad, like you.
You do figure he had a big boat or something like a bit like
you. You think he was partying super
hard. I bet he did.
That it, it's so, so that's so base.
I always think of so two things. So #1 when, and we may have
talked about this last time, but when, when Jordan Peterson went
on the animal diet and he didn't even, he didn't just go Atkins,
he all he literally ate was bowls of beef with, with, like,
with a, with like a, with like a, like, you know, oil soup
basically. That's it.
Nothing. And like, you know, on Atkins,
well, even a little, you can have a, you know, a thing of
lettuce or a little bit like, no, just beef.
And when he did it, you could tell that he was a disaster.
And he looked like $1,000,000. He looked amazing.
Because I, I always relate that because when I, when I was in
high school, I was playing every sport and I was trying to just
get to that next level. And I went on the Atkins diet
and, and it was brutal, man. Like it was, it's way harder
than people realize. Like like you, you can't even
you can like you think, oh, can you eat all meat or whatever?
It's like, no, you can't. You can't even really use BBQ
sauce. Like you have to use like this
bullshit BBQ sauce and stuff. It, it, it was, it's so brutal.
Like you have to look for like to, to stay in ketosis 24/7.
But I and when I did it, I looked amazing.
I had this, I had all this energy, but it was like this.
I was like, I was like an animal.
I was like aggravated and angry and stank and I'm shitting my
brains out all day. Like, like, you know, every 15
minutes I'm going and doing things in the bathroom that were
just, I was like, Oh my God, that was awful.
I like, like it would it must like I felt like this is what
like like Keith Richards goes through like in the like in the
morning basically. And it just turns you into into
like a like a like a walk. You just feel like a walking
hard on looking for a hole like you.
You just become pure energy. It's not really a good thing.
I was. Just saying, I don't think, I
don't think you're necessarily, I think a lot of our listeners
might, you might be sold, you might be selling this to them.
Yeah, if you're just trying to, you know, drop a drop a dress
size or, you know, get them get into those 28 slacks for for the
summer or whatever. Yeah, It's not what you want to
do. It's it's, I don't know.
You've heard the spin now from from this guy.
Let me let me just say when he died, he was like 72.
That was the the life expectancy for for him was like 7475.
So he clocked out a couple years early.
You know, you having a a red meat heavy diet, you know you're
you're going to block some arteries.
It's good you can't make an omelet without breaking some
eggs. It's a it's a quite an omelet
you're making. Oh yeah, you're.
Sweating all day and like people don't realize like a, you know,
a gigantic porterhouse steak has like like 250 calories Max.
It's like, it's like the like half, it's like 1 bite of a
Snickers bar. So you're just shoveling your
face with these like, you know, giant animal style, you know,
quadruple bacon zilla burgers and stuff and you're never full
because it's no calories at all. Like if you don't, if you really
stick to it and eat no carbs, carbs are what's easy to
consume. Like, but if you, if you
actually try to hit like you'll never get, you certainly won't
gain a pound. If you stick to it, you there
wouldn't be enough time and you wouldn't have enough energy to
shovel that many calories, like 2500 calories down your gullet.
So 'cause I'm an insane person, about 10 years ago I I didn't go
on the Atkins diet per SE, 'cause I didn't read the book or
anything. But you cut.
Carbs. You cut carbs.
Yeah, I went on a 2 lbs a week carb calorie deficit and I to do
that, you basically have to eat nothing but but like, but meat
and the the calorie deficit made me feel not great, even though I
was lifting at the same time to try to not lose muscle mass. the
IT didn't really work. It wasn't a good idea.
However, eating nothing but meat was amazing.
I every every day I think about how great it would be to just to
go back to eating nothing but meat.
It's awesome. Now, I guess if you're if you're
a pickier eater, it might, it might be a problem.
I was throwing down at one point like Blanche chicken, chicken
breast, just straight up boiling a chicken breast and eating it.
It's good times. I think that everybody should go
out the way that they doing the thing they love.
And that's what, you know, Mr. Mr. Doctor Atkins, Professor MD.
He went, he went out on top and and, and here's another benefit
of this getting really old is terrible.
Yeah, no, I, I, I do agree. And and I just real fast, like
you said, going out especially I think dying by your own creation
in a sense, or at least like what made you rich?
I do think it's alpha. And like, I'm just, I'm still
fixated on the Segway guy just for a second.
But James William and his nickname is Jimmy, like Jimi
Hendrix, Jimi Hazelden, he was so he was an English
entrepreneur. He was a former coal miner.
He became wealthy by manufacturing the Hesco Bastion
barrier system. In 2009, he bought Segway Inc.
In 2010, he died from injuries sustained from falling off a
Cliff while riding a Segway. It's like Thelma and Louise.
That's, that's amazing, yeah. I I mean, you think the
company's like fuck the stock's going to tank just because he
died on one too like. Wow, Yeah, He didn't even make
it a year owning the company before he went off a Cliff with
the with the Segway. Yeah.
I, I mean amazing. So at least Doctor Atkins got
many years out of his. Oh man, I want to change mine
now. Well, go ahead, don't you?
We haven't read it yet, so. Yeah.
Well, Buck, what? Yeah, OK.
Yeah, please. OK, we got surprise, surprise
guest guest off later. I mean, don't we have to, don't
we have to do the second one of the head to head now and that
and that how that works like we're deciding if Atkins is
who's the most out the second. One, yeah, the second I I still
would like to talk about your other.
One. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
OK, got you. Got you.
All right. I had I had a Eureka moment.
OK, so I, I, I am going to so we had, we had Ray Ray Pete.
This is Doctor Atkins versus Doctor Ray Pete.
Now Ray Pete. Now I tell you, the one time I
ever fucking counter signaled that guy on this show IA lot of
times I'll post our episodes. I don't know if you guys are
like this too. I'll post our episodes right
before bed. You know, I'll just, I'll put
them up. I won't promote them or
anything. I wake up in the morning and
it's people like this fucking asshole talking about Ray Pete.
And I was like, whoa, like, like, I was like, it was, it's
wild. I won't say it is kind of funny
that Ray Pete is a communist. I wasn't aware of that.
Oh, did Fredo not tell you? No, I'm just kidding.
But no, I this is off the Reddit.
I know it's always been a thing. He so this is from R slash Ray
Pete. So do with this what you will.
I'm sure people think that it's not true.
You know, he's based, he's a Roman soldier.
I have no idea. But he, this is the, the, the
post on Reddit is the Ray Pete Russian slash communist
conspiracy. This guy says.
I think Ray's ideas about communist Russia are some of the
hardest to grapple with. He seems to think Stalin was
generally good and those who came after undermined him.
I think he agrees with Marx's ideas that society should
provide for people's needs to develop optimally as a
biological Organism, blah, blah, blah, right?
So all that, he's all that stuff again, it's about the food.
So it doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter.
Ray Pete, you don't go to raypete.com to learn about
communism. I would think I would.
I would guess you don't. Maybe you do.
I don't know. He's he his he is like I still
don't understand what his diet is because anytime I critique
it, it's I got the diet wrong apparently.
So apparently you can eat a shit ton of ice cream if there's no
if there's no gum in it or anything like like the gums I
think are the bad, which I agree those are bad.
I don't know if eating like massive amounts of Haagen Dazs
overtime is really good for you. Obviously a bunch of meat.
He doesn't. They don't really like
cruciferous vegetables like the broccolis, the stuff like this.
And I do think it is an elevated gamer diet, which is that alpha?
I tend to say no, but you guys might say yes.
Did you see the Big Pete news or the like two hours ago?
No, no Trump. Trump called the CEO of
Coca-Cola and demanded all Coke now be.
They said they're going to do it, Coke said they're going to
put cane sugar in their Coca-Cola.
They told Trump that. They're going to get out of the
they're going to get out of the I mean, they're getting out of
corn syrup. They're getting out of that
stuff or just adding. I mean, I'm, I'm interested, I
mean. That's what Trump just said that
he talked to them and they promised they were going to put
put cane sugar in there. It's going to be great.
That's that's all we know about it now.
But I think that is Petey correct.
Oh, it is the Pete thing. I mean, they, they are sugar.
They sugar Max like they, I've known some people like I to me,
I, I don't know, I, I am like I talk about it with Sai.
I kind of, I kind of laugh like if you were eating nothing but
like gamer snacks and I think we all know what I'm talking pizza
rolls, like sedentary diet or something.
And you got into Ray Pete, which then got you into Mishima or
something and working out and all that stuff.
That's good. That's a good thing.
I would expand on it. And I don't think green
vegetables are the devil, right? And I know some people what from
what I know about Ray Ray Pete is that he stayed away from a
lot of leafy greens. Think they called like oxalates
in there that disturb your stomach or something.
And to be fair, some uncooked greens do not agree with me when
they're uncooked sometimes, like for broccoli, I I, I raw
broccoli doesn't sit right with me.
Cook broccoli. I can either.
I can eat a forest of it. But so I think there might be
something to that. But he would get to the point, I
guess, where he would boils And I already I can already hear the
backlash of how I got this wrong.
Sorry guys, but there's, there's like he would boil a cup of
spinach and then drink the spinach water and throw out the
leaves. And I'm just like, I still think
dietary neuroses after a while like that stuff becomes this
cottage industry. And yes, you should, you should
that we should right now, the way food is constructed in
America, you, if you, if you give a shit, you have to read
everything right? You have to look at everything.
It's, it's a kind of arduous task.
It kind of limits social interactions, you know, in terms
of going out with your friends or something because you're
going to eat stuff coated in canola oil.
But I still think the neuroses could give you a Atkins type
death. Like stop, don't freak out about
everything that you eat and stuff.
And a lot of people I know that get into the Ray Pete thing,
they get really neurotic about what they eat.
And I will say in terms of alpha, I got to say Atkins is
more alpha. Pete probably has I, I think
maybe a little bit better diet, but I don't know.
I don't know if that's what we're talking about here.
By the way, if if anyone listens to good old boys, then I mean.
So I get in trouble all the time for glazing Stalin too much.
So I mean, that's we, we, we, we share that in common.
People are worried, I mean. You see that Stalin was good.
There's some problematic aspects I would if I I mean if I.
Stalin the painter you like, like Hitler's art, you know,
say, does you mean? There are.
Well, I would just say that Stalin didn't take over UNICEF,
he took over the Soviet Union. Stalin drained the swamp.
If Stalin killed, starved. Of the swamp, yeah.
If Stalin killed all the Trotskies, our lives would be a
lot easier. They they sort of came to here
and started running the United States.
I, I, I, I would just Stalin is this.
Stalin was a thug. He was a thug.
And he, he, well, it's, it's too much to get into, but that's.
Fine. I just say you, I've always you
liked you liked, you liked his, you liked what he got.
Like, I don't know, not that I don't even want to say that,
but. I'm pretty I'm pretty pro
dictator in general. I'm going to give you some
bogged beef lore. This and this is probably, I
don't know, 15 years ago, maybe. No, probably before then.
Well, he was, he was dating a young lady and she out of the
blue, having never spoken with him about politics whatsoever,
never heard any of his ideas, just said, you know, I think you
would, you would like Joseph Stalin.
That happened, didn't it? Yes, you.
Remember that. No, no, no, she said that to
him. Just she she code, she code.
Read it like, you know, I think that Stalin would be the kind of
guy that, you know, politically that you would like.
And he had never talked to her about politics.
So yeah, I mean that's. But I don't know where that
happened. There was another point.
So I'm where I'm at this job and this this job is using these
Russians for cheap labor. And there's these, there's this
Russian girl there. She's beautiful.
And there's, and this has nothing to do with her being a
beautiful woman. I've always wanted to ask a
Russian this because it's like, there's this thing in the back
of my mind and I've got to ask a real Russian this.
I've just got to. And so I walk up to her and I
was like, I tried to, to doll it as much as I could, but I was
like, what do you think of Joseph Stahl?
And her answer was like, it was so good.
That was like, it just made, it just made my, my whole like,
like I said, I dictators, they it's a complicated story, but
dictators are, are they're the big if you're a dictator, I post
the thing of the day. That was like, these are the
people that I follow. And it was, it said it was
someone's Wikipedia heading and it said political career 1949
through 2010. That's what I'm into is if you
sort of look at politics as a survival thing, if someone is
able to survive on top of, of a, of a stage for like 5050, sixty
years or whatever, I'm into that.
And but anyway, so I asked her that and I'm sitting there and
I'm thinking I'm like, oh God, but she's going to say, you
know, she's going to say that he killed my grandfather.
And he and she looked at me seriously heart.
And she says he did what had to be done.
Wow. I couldn't believe it.
It was amazing.
But he was a redneck and a thug and he gets his job running that
this state that is like the most nerd like state of all time,
like the like the most like this utopian nerd experiment of free
love. And he bullies all the he
bullies all these nerds as this redneck thug.
I mean, he was robbing Banksy or two before and like walking into
that status hierarchy, destroying everybody, killing
all your competition, sewing up power in a massive nation state
and holding on to it forever, bullying United States.
If you take him as look at him as an individual political
actor, he's super effective. Like it's, it's impossibly more
effective. And so that's the that's the
problem. Like, so that doesn't mean he's
a good person like good people that they don't, they don't,
they don't get in this line of work.
I didn't believe you when you said you didn't have principles.
Now I do. I didn't believe.
I was like, ah, shut up. Yeah, you do.
No, no, seriously. That's wow.
Yeah. I didn't know we were going when
I thought Gray Pete and I thought it was Gray Pete, which
is that we actually got the most accurate alpha beta rating on
Stalin, apparently. So that's that's amazing.
What was yours, Bog? I don't even have yours written
down. What was your your submission
to? This Oh, it's not important.
I've got one that's much, much better.
OK, well, either way, I don't, I don't think I know it.
So yeah, what? Go ahead.
Floor is yours. Kevin Federline.
Oh, Alpha, without question. Are you kidding?
Are you kidding me? In a in an era where child
support is being deployed on every man ever?
I mean, yeah, I mean Bog. You've probably worked some
similar jobs to me. You've heard the Child Support
Blues, you know what I mean? Like, like, just the like, like,
you know, my, my, I've, I'm telling you right now and I, I
hope that this didn't become a pending case, but there was one
guy offering around and I'm not going to say much about him, but
the word, the sentences I use for it will give you an accurate
picture of what this guy was. He was walking around and he was
asking random tough looking women.
He said 20. He said $10,000 to beat the shit
out of my baby Mama 25,000 if you kill her.
And, and he was just saying like anybody down.
And I was like, I'm hearing you. I thought all of your and
everybody teaches you not to say that around me.
You know what I mean? Like probably like you, you
know, like I'm like Fred Willard in a rap video at this point.
Like don't say that around me. Like, you know, bad boys for
life get thrown in a garbage can.
Like he probably shouldn't have. I should have stayed there.
But we've heard all this stuff. Kevin Federline because didn't
he start 5 gum or something with the with the money?
Oh my. God.
It was some let me see Kevin Federline gum.
He he I thought he was a big part of yes, stride gum.
Excuse me, stride gum. So we're he he became like I
think an investor, if I have this right, an investor in five
gum in 2006. I'm you have to think that's
with the Britney money. Oh, for sure.
Fried gum, Yeah. So I health already.
Already to get some bag. I I totally agree.
I, I my, you know, my, I don't remember how old, you know why
in my early 20s or something like that.
I was like just laying at night dreaming of being in a situation
like Kevin Federline. So with, with Federline.
So he's one of these guys like on paper, like if you look at
him on paper. So dance choreographer.
That's one of the gayest jobs in the world.
It, it, it is. Now, of course, in reality, it's
one of these jobs that are like, OK, let's get you, you know, hot
and sweaty with a lot of young women and stuff.
However, I mean, you know, in real life, a lot of gay guys
have that job. You, you, you know, your dance
choreographer, you are Mr. Mom, you he's got, you know, he, he's
the one that that fought for, fought for the custody and he's
got the SU VS picking them up for karate lessons at at 3:00 PM
or whatever in, in so many ways on paper, he's, you know, he's
very, very Veda. But of course it's not.
Of course he's of course he's giga alpha. 20 grand per month.
Which is, which is a child's play because I remember when Nas
got divorce from you know, the girl who made the milkshake
song. My milkshake brings all the boy
that girl Nas had a kid with her.
I don't get the idea that Nas made this much money, but
apparently the state of New York thought that that he did 50,000
a month. 50. I think that I think he's beat
by who's the redheaded guy used to play for the Clippers.
Maybe he's still. Blake.
Blake Griffin. What wasn't wasn't he $600,000 a
month? That that was a rumor.
It wasn't true. He was he was paying more like
30 or 40. But I mean, that's that's a lot
of money 30,000. Dollars a month?
You better stay on that All Star team man.
Oh, by the way, I'm wrong. It's fake news about Kevin
Federline. That was kind of a wives Joe.
I'm sorry. But actually, I'll tell you
right now, they're saying Kanye owes Kim 200 a month.
That's hilarious. Which is crazy because she's
fucking rich. That's Pacino.
Pacino's got 100. He had to pay 30 KA month, 110
up front, and then 15 KA year in an education fund.
Education fund is great for Alpha.
Yeah, a month. Yeah, for educate.
Where the fucks this kid going to school?
But yeah. Alex Rodriguez, 115,000 a month.
Charlie Sheen, 110,000 a month. Brendan Fraser, 75 a month.
That's why you saw him come back into movies.
Just man. Like some of these are crazy,
but yeah, federalized alpha. Frazier had that thing that
Foley, Dave Foley had where he got it.
He got hit for massive child support in a very brief period
where he was making a lot of money and then his career slowed
down and he basically became a slave to this child support
system. Foley is that's.
Where your baby mom's got to start helping you get jobs.
Like she's got to start calling the film like, hey, will you
this actor I love Brendan Fraser.
She he was great and bedazzled. Could you please hire him?
And and then, you know, then
you're like, then you get somebody.
You almost become his manager at that point.
Obviously alpha. He married a a beautiful pop
star at the height of her sanity and the attractiveness and then
he became got set for life. That's not alpha.
Nothing on the planet is. Yeah, and and now she's fucking
playing with swords in her room. Yeah, that was, remember there
was all these people saying that this, this arrangement with her
father didn't make any sense. It was like, yeah, yeah, it
didn't make any sense when you didn't know what was going on.
Yeah. Some people, well, some people
need to be chained to the radiator, basically.
Yeah, exactly. So I always think of, you know,
when I'm, I'm in like, I don't know, I'm like 1920.
I get one of these restaurant jobs, you know, these bullshit
jobs you get when you're a kid or whatever.
And everybody there is like, you know, 16 to 25 or whatever.
And they hire and I'm in Florida and Florida's got this thing and
Nevada, Nevada is this for the West Coast where?
Well, I'll finish the story. So I'm working there and then
no, I, I wasn't one of the, the waiters, whatever they, but they
hired this black guy to be a waiter.
He was like 40. You know, black people, they
black guys, they tend to look younger than they are or
whatever. So it was more or less normal.
They hired him and he was the best waiter.
They had people, people would come up to the manager.
So this guy is so friendly. He, he, he, I mean, he's the, he
was the best one that they have. He wow, Kevin's doing very,
very, very well. Man, yeah.
Look, look, go get the smile. And a girl named Victoria Prince
that just sounds, she sounds rich, you know, like that's the
name. I don't know if she's rich, but
that's a rich name. You can't fake that smile.
Well, she is now. Well, or maybe he will be again.
Maybe it's Part 2. Maybe it's like Ocean's 12 or
something. So, yeah, this guy, he gets like
employed a month, every month. I mean, he is like, it's just
obvious. This guy is this guy is a rock
star at this. People are so happy at this.
And then, you know, one day I'm there, I go to smoke break or
something, I come back and and he was gone.
The the Georgia police came and picked his ass up at work and
haul him off to jail. It was it was because because he
was behind on them payments. Yeah, you will.
They will. You will do time.
It's crazy. We have a like, I've seen it
happen too, where you're just like, yeah, you go out to lunch
and then they'll be like, hey, guys, I know the, the, the, the
2:00 PM window. We normally are.
We're just going to be a little short staffed.
They took Jeff, you know, Jeff had issue.
His stomach hurts or something, you know, like that.
You're like now he's arrested for child support.
Yeah. Dirty game.
Dirty game, but yeah, in Federal and it's not even.
I mean, that is unquestioned alpha.
It always has been. What a what a guy.
I mean, it's the only guy you hear about that like happening
to, you know what I mean? Like like for that case.
And he was a backup. Yeah, like you said, a backup
dancer. I mean, that's like, I mean,
that's they say I come from rags to riches, you know, that song.
Like it's just like, it's just amazing, amazing.
So that just you would have never thought you never thought
you'd parlay a backup dancer, John, First off, like you, like
you said, Merrick, like, oh, look at me, I hired the damn
straight backup dancer and this look what happens, you know, so
I have an interesting one here that that or actually, you know,
yeah, yeah, I have an interesting one here that I
think we'll get to. I think I did this because I
was. You guys ever watched?
They're kind of cheap and they're kind of hokey, but you
ever watched like the The History Channel, like the people
who made America or. Whatever.
Oh hell yeah. Yeah.
I actually love all that stuff and I'm not even the massive
historian, but I think that the dramatizations are like
shockingly good. You're kind of like like this is
like, it's kind of weird. It seems like a good job if
you're an actor because it's always the same guy.
It's like I saw a guy play Nikola Tesla and then he played
fucking Houdini in this other one.
Like it was crazy. He was just he was just getting
these jobs. And but I'm talking about two
guys that like straight up like we talk about building America
even one guy's not even American, but you have Nikola
Tesla versus Thomas Edison. They might both be alpha, they
might not, but which one's better to you guys?
I mean, Edison, if it's a head to head, it's Edison.
And yeah, he's he's certainly alpha.
He. Did he did win technically?
So is that that your basis for? That he's an incredible inventor
himself. He he destroyed the competition,
including Tesla well. JP Morgan JP Morgan destroyed
the competition. Let's let's.
OK, all right. And look, I the Tesla is one of
these figures that I don't know, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a,
a expert on electricity. But it seems like people kind of
get a little too excited about him and, and push the the mythos
a little bit too far like which is this?
I mean, that's a silly thing to say because this is a guy who
invented a type of electricity. He's pretty fucking sick, dude.
I don't. Know right, but like there's all
this is like he actually was going to make infant wireless
power and all this stuff and Thomas Edison stopped that like
no, that that's that's not what's going to happen.
He was he was a visionary, but he didn't he didn't have the
same killer instinct that big Tom did.
That's that's I got to go. I got to go with Edison.
If it's a if it's a head to head, if we're saying are they?
I think they're both pretty alpha.
But yeah, you got to give it to the big dog.
Bob, go ahead. You go ahead.
I'll be the final rule here. Go ahead.
So they're both alpha. I mean, so I think Edison is
more of a brute. I mean, obviously he's, you
know, massively IQ or whatever, but we're, this is a relative
game here. Tesla, I think a big, big and of
course people take it too far, but you can only do that because
he's because he's got the because he's got the.
Alternating current electricity. Yeah, because he's, he's so he's
got, he's got the, he's got the, the juju.
You can say, Hey, he invented this thing that would me, you
know, it would make cars running water or something like that.
And and it you, you kind of got to think about it a SEC.
You you got you're going to want to look that up before you say
no, he didn't because, you know, this guy was a a mad genius.
Did you see Trump Trump's quote the other day about about his
whatever his brother or his cousin or something like that?
Well, I know his great uncle was very involved with Tesla stuff.
But he, he has this, he he was at a dinner or whatever and he
says whichever family member was, he says, yeah, my family
member, he was a great scientist at harm.
Yeah, John Trump, I think. Yeah.
Yeah, MIT and he goes, he was a genius, he said, You know, you
know, he worked with, he worked with Ted Kaczynski.
He was a thin line, but he said that there's a thin line between
being a genius and a madman. People are sitting there.
Look at it, he said. It's like 2-2 days ago.
Yeah. But I wanted to say Tesla.
I think that one of the things that puts Tesla over the like
over the top is his ability to strike a pose.
It's cool pictures. He he like he he he Epstein did
the same thing. You you're never going to see a
candid picture of Epstein. Epstein knows where the camera.
Made sure of that. They made sure of that actually.
Was famously not allowed, actually.
Nice, but you know, I mean he when he looked at a camera, he
the face he was making was one that he had probably worked on
in front of a mirror for many hours.
Tesla he had he had a pose and it looks so good.
It looks so mysterious. You can see that you can imagine
the aura and the smoke behind him or whatever.
You know he when he he looks at the camera and when you look at
a picture of Tesla, he looks like he's looking through you.
It's a very predatory. You know, it's it's, it's, it's
the rush. It's it's the Russian thing.
It's he he's, you know, he's a silent predator kind of guy.
I mean, he is a like we always talked about on the show.
I saw on the show like, OK, you're a young guy, you want to
impress girls and you don't have like basic alpha.
I was like, So what? What's your move?
I always said the best move you got that you can do that is
alpha that you don't need basic alpha do is brooding women women
for somehow they like they say women interpret being funny.
They can't tell the difference between that and being smart,
right. So if you want a woman think
you're smart, you can just tell jokes and they will interpret
that as fine. I got married.
Yeah, absolutely brooding. Like, you know, like if, if, if
I don't know if a woman thinks you got a little bit that Dylan
Klebold in you or whatever. OK.
They, they interpret that as being Conan the Conan the
Barbarian. You know, they had like this was
a big scandal on what was it Live Journal or whatever, the
website or whatever that like 60% of the website was being
turned into these like women's like like.
Sexual desire, shrines to to the the Columbine killers or
whatever. And so Tesla in all of this.
He's got he like no, he Tesla pictures are.
I would say this is 10 out of 10 herb brooding.
This is what this is what you should be aspiring to if you're
trying to brood in front of women.
Yeah, they had David Bowie play him in that Christopher Nolan
movie. That was kind of cool.
It was very random, like you just wouldn't expect that.
But I'm going to lean Tesla. However, the I thought the two
of them are fat. Edison uniquely understood how
to get shit done, and Tesla was a savant, I think.
I mean, both guys were a savant, but like, Edison understood
where he goes. OK, if I want anything done, OK,
I don't do steel. I'm not doing a lot of steel
stuff. So Carnegie's not my, you know,
probably not going to go that way.
JP Morgan's father, which I think is also JP Moore, I can't
remember, but his dad was kind of like electricity.
That's devil bullshit. I don't like it.
Like, what are you doing? What are you?
What are you putting all this money in there for?
You're being swindled. Well, dad croaks, I get I
basically become, you know, Forex my wealth at this point,
if not more. If I'm JP Morgan, I'm putting
all that money to this guy Edison who can power, you know,
all this stuff and and and and do this now JP Morgan also
understood because because for anybody who doesn't know, Tesla
was out alternating current. Edison was Delta current ACDC.
Obviously, you know, the band name and stuff, but the, the he
gets JP Morgan after a while, like starts General Electric,
which was, I'm sorry, not stars General Electric.
He takes Edison's name off of Edison Electric, which people in
Southern California might look at their bill every month and
say, oh, yeah, I paid Edison Electric, but General Electric
was Edison Electric at the time. And then JP Morgan's like, fuck
Thomas Edison. So that's the only reason to me
where I'm kind of like, yeah, but it was like, I don't know
how much of the, the, the heart, the, the like crazy savvy.
It was beyond the machines and the mechanisms.
That was Edison. Because Morgan was just like,
look, I'll, I'll literally, I, I mean, JP Morgan, it was an
absolute dog. He would just, he would just
shut down the competition, poison the well on his
competition, catch him up in scandals, like anything.
I mean, he would, he just, he wanted to win.
He was an absolute dog. And he put and Edison made
things that were grounded in reality, right?
Like the Telegraph, all of these other things.
Tesla did some wild stuff, man. I mean, you want to talk about?
Theoretical versus practical, really.
Exactly. And yeah, And you know, Tesla
comes from a different background.
He's from, and you guys might know this history better than
me. He's from what is now Serbia.
But back in the day, he's from Austro Hungarian soldiers who
then went into the church. He was not in a church going or
he was like, I'm not doing that. I, I, he stroked a cat one day,
like just pet a cat and got a shock or something was like,
well, that's, that's it for me. I'm doing electricity for the
rest of my life. Kind of an like idiot savant
never did well in in school. Dad wanted him in the church,
but he was like, I'll die. I'm going to get sick if I don't
go here. He's kind of a, I would guess he
would have been diagnosed with what we call now autism at the
time, but back then it was like, oh, my son's kind of weird and
let's just, you know, we'll put him through these schools and
stuff. So he gets with that guy George
Westinghouse, I think is the guy's name, the Westinghouse
motor and stuff finds a way to power these things gets and, and
then his alternating current he, he gets, he works for Edison for
a long time, but Edison never likes alternating current.
Now does he not like it or does he not want to implement it
because somebody else invented it?
Doesn't really matter. Tesla breaks away, Edison goes,
you'll never work anywhere. If you leave me like I, I'm
sorry, you're a smart guy, but like it's over.
I will make sure and also I have JP Morgan to make sure that you
don't work. Tesla kind of toiled a little
bit. He got these really big ideas,
but I'll be honest, man, some of his wireless tech stuff, I mean,
like the microwave radiation stuff, which again, I'm not a
big microwave guy, but when you talk about radar detection and
things like that, that's a pretty insane invention when you
think about it, when you're just like, wow, at the time, yes,
lights in your house is crazy, but like I can detect something
like from far away and and, and just in an era where like God
knows how you transmitted any information.
I mean, it was a Telegraph, right?
It was, it was these things. And I think what's interesting
about Tesla, which puts them over the top and you guys might
disagree with me, is the weird, paranormal and honestly
parapolitical. He claims to have talked to
aliens. If I was.
I didn't know.
That oh, this is crazy. So he claims that when he was
doing like microwave radio technology, he transmitted some
message and received some wisdom.
He thinks to then create this wireless tech.
Now at the time he's broke because he was a bad
businessman, which I think is is beta is his beta quality.
He would when he was running out of money, people would say, hey,
what George Westinghouse would come to him and I hope I'm
getting his name right. I, I think that's his name.
He, he would come to him and say, Hey, I need, I or I would
need this money. And George is like, dude, your
royalties are way too high. People do not want to invest
anymore because your royalties are too high.
He goes all right, fuck the royalties.
So he really he left what they say it was about 300 million on
the table, I think in modern currency by doing that just so
he could keep he was a Craftsman at that point.
Again, this could be all construed as beta and I I
believe it now. He wanted to do this whole he's
like, fuck the wires. He had the Tesla coil, which we
still use to this day, by the way, like that is that shit is
crazy. He he the Tesla coils and stuff.
And that was the missing link to a lot of the stuff that was
found after he died. But he really wanted to make
wireless tech at the time, and he didn't like the wires.
I don't want all this stuff. And he ostensibly was getting
close to it. But guess what he wanted to do
with all of it. Hey.
And it'll be free. So then you talking about
Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan going now?
The wires are fine. So you know, whether it would
have worked or not, they're going like, I sorry, we're going
to chart. We got this Edison thing going.
People are pretty happy with that.
Yes, you're cool. Chicago Fest State Fair picture
is very cool, but we'll do the thing where we can charge money
for it. That seems to be going well.
And lastly, what I'll say about Tesla is the death ray.
Are you guys familiar with the Tesla death ray?
I believe in it. I believe in it.
So he he had documents or
whatever, I hate that word, but he had all these things to say.
I'm going to make a death ray. It was something that could ZAP
planes out of the sky. And we're in the 30s right now.
Originally Adolf Hitler heard about it and was like, hey,
Fostro Hungarian empire, what's up, dude?
Like fucking what do you, what are you doing with that thing?
And and he's just like, no, not you.
In fact, I'm making this because you're getting powerful or
something. So goes to America and get runs
into the same kind of thing. And they're basically like
actually hand over that shit. You should not have that.
Like if you have that, just give that to us.
And he's like, whatever the Soviets want it.
And all of a sudden you have this thing called the Tunguska
event. And I encourage everybody to
look it up. Now, again, this is all
speculative or anything. This is all speculative.
However, there in Tunguska, Siberia, all of a sudden one day
there was a massive blast and all the forests come over, but
there was no reported. Like the people said, it was a
meteor hit. There's no crater.
Everything just boils over in the forest and there's a lot of
people that think Tesla fired or not Tesla himself, but somebody
completed Tesla's work and was like, aim it towards the South
Pole and he's like, oh fuck, we were a little bit off.
Bam blasted out like a whole forest.
So Long story short, I think he was on the right move.
And I do think him randomly getting hit by a taxi when he
was in the midst of all of this. I, I, I tend to think there's,
you know, at least like a 30% chance that the, that he got
taken out or something. I, I find that stuff a lot more
interesting than than Edison though.
Edison was like, I need this done.
Edison goes, I will do this. If you need something done from
Tesla, he's like, hey, not only did I do that, but I did this.
Here's the thing. It cost like 900 million more
dollars, but I'll get it done. And everyone's like, come on,
you know, like so in filmmaker perspective, right, Thomas
Edison is Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood made movies for a
long time. He went on his own, but to still
to get funding. He was on time and under budget
no matter what whatever he was making on time, under budget.
So the movie was had more shot to make money and and be good,
even if it wasn't. And I I'm a person that loves a
lot of the movies that he made, even if it wasn't something that
was like the godfather or something.
Now you talk about guys like Coppola, which I think Tesla was
where Coppola's selling his house, selling his vineyards,
doing all this stuff to make Apocalypse Now, going out and
like in the middle of a typhoon in, in the Philippines and
losing everything. Like he's, he's that type of
guy. And I, I just think that like
kind of like weird death drive towards your craft.
It's kind of, it's kind of sick. I mean, he the beta part about
him too. Is he, he was celibate, though I
won't say that much. Being a celibate, doing all that
like like powering the modern world and not getting any pussy
is kind of rough. He had a pigeon GF right?
Oh. Right the the the the the pigeon
story like he he kept pigeons late in life.
He. Did It's Mike Tyson, Yeah.
Yeah, and supposedly he said like he he he deeply loved his
pigeons or something. I was just, there's so much
Tesla lore because he can't he became this character on like on
Reddit that it's hard to to figure out what what is what.
Although I have to say I've I've heard of the death ray, but I
didn't know that people linked it to the Tunguska, Tunguska
event, which, Yeah. All right.
Now, we talked about this before when I was on here.
The the key to a conspiracy theory is it has to be
entertaining. It has to be more entertaining
than the truth. And that's more fun than it was
a comment that blew up or something.
Yeah, OK, I'm on board with that.
I Yeah, He gets the seal of approval.
You make a change. In my mind.
And his he was doing the Oppenheimer thing, right?
He's like, actually I'm a, you know, anti war guy, but this
just this thing existing would make war not happen, which yeah,
right. And honestly and honestly for a
while, who's the prime? Who is the before Churchill?
What was the guy's name? Oh, oh.
Chamber. Neville Chamberlain.
Never. Chamberlain originally wanted
it, which I'm glad he didn't get it because, you know, if you
misgendered, if that was still around nowadays, you misgendered
somebody, you get death rayed, dude.
That's what death rayed. Like in in England you'd be
you'd be toast. Like they just death ray you
like Mars attacks, like I just I don't know.
I find him fascinating. I I like, I just don't think
Edison's that interesting, I guess.
I mean, he and I, I say that now thinking like, yeah, he was
interesting. He was trying to make motion
pictures and shit, like, and he was ahead on that stuff too.
So they're both. Great.
This connection you've made in my mind now, I don't know how
much of A gamer you you are. You were in the past like, you
know, in in a red alert. One of the Soviet units is the
Tesla coil that you can build. It'll ZAP, it'll ZAP the the
evil forces of capitalism for you.
OK, that that makes a lot more sense now.
All right. Yeah, that's that's no man,
that's awesome. So OK.
For the, for the Peter thing, I just made me think of the, the
whole savant thing versus like the, the, the Chad Mcjack Edison
thing. It's not like the traditional 1
Edison's like Todd Howard. You know who Todd Howard is?
No, it's this there's this role that happens is like if you're
an engineer, if you're an automotive engineer, whoever is
the most like Chad McGurk engineer, he's going to be made
the boss and he's his job is just going to be like whipping.
And I understand Edison wasn't the brains about a lot of these
inventions, but he was the guy that was good at sort of
whipping, like whipping, whipping other engineers into
producing product. I mean that that's that's the
thing. But anyways, with the the whole
savant thing, we were talking some of this with with Fredo,
who's the big Pete guy. And we we were talking about
like a why, why do men win at these certain things?
Why do women win at certain things?
And apparently testosterone is like nature's Adderall.
He said that like testosterone is increases focus.
This is why there's all these sort of people.
There's obviously a connection with people.
People call like Asperger's and stuff with the with with just
masculine in general but but testosterone so being this Uber
super focused person or whatever that is a high test thing.
Yeah, no, I, you know, it's just like the I that's, it's
interesting. I, I thought it was interesting.
I was just watching that thing the other day and I was like, I
got to bring this up because I, I just, I think it's, I think
it's fascinating because like at the end of the day, like if you
needed to build a nation, I, I don't know that I would hire
Tesla, But if I wanted to make the Uber nation, you know, like
if he did, like I will say, if he did team up with Hitler, he
would that Hitler would have sent his ass to Antarctica
after, after he said. Valda Gartha.
Yeah, he had to be like HP Lovecraft at the mountains of
madness time, like find what's in there, you know, like he he
he would have been doing shit like that with him if he did
team up with him. So very like Indiana Jonesy kind
of shit. But the last one today, and this
is size 1 and I was it kind of couples what we were talking
about at the at the beginning with some of the Epstein stuff.
But Dan Bongino, who when I look up a picture, he looks like the
Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott, like almost uncanny.
Like it's kind of insane. If you look at a picture of two
of them, they look like maybe they could be cousins or
something. But he I this is how out of the
loop I am on a lot of politics. So I didn't even know he had a
job in the administration but apparently he's flirted with
just not showing up to work over the Epstein stuff.
He's #2 at FBI, yeah. Yeah, which is insane.
I was just like, oh, I guess so. Yeah, I just did.
So he's underneath the cash Patel, I guess.
And and with the Epstein thing. And look, I we've talked about
it a little bit. I understand people being mad
about it because I ultimately think it was an unforced error
to even make that a part of your platform in any way.
It should have been a poison pill.
If anybody asked you if you're what you're going to do about
the Epstein thing, you say we got a mess at the border.
That's what that's what Trump used to do is we have a mess at
the border with that's what we need to do.
They're doing this and this and this and this and we want to
stop that. We're going to stop this right
now. Now, I think Dan Bongino bought
that, bought the message. Clearly somebody believed that
the Epstein thing was going to happen, right, because Dan
Bongino did. But do you guys think he's alpha
or beta? I guess for that event, but also
overall, I don't know much about his political correspondent
history. We just, we just put out a
episode about I got the alert. I literally just got the alert
for it. I was.
Like almost entirely about Epstein.
So if you're listening to this, please tune into that.
You can get a very, very nuanced take on that.
But the brief take for for me is they, if they really thought
that there were files for them to show people, then they're
stupid. Because obviously if, if the, if
Epstein was just what the government says, he was just a
bad guy and not connected to blackmailers, whatever, there
would be no files to to that wouldn't exist in the 1st place.
But if he was what people alluded to, that stuff's been
gone for six years because that would be the first thing that
you got rid of, because that's it's very easy to lose files.
It's a lot harder to do that than to kill a guy in protective
custody when everybody on the planet is watching him.
And I don't, I'm not, I'll be honest with you, I've never
listened to his podcast. I don't, I all I know about him
right now is that he, he's not looking so great.
He's kind of getting bullied by Pam Bondi.
And to me that, that seems kind of beta.
But you know, hey, I don't know, I think he was in the military
race, the Secret Service, right? Like, so obviously you know,
not, not a, not a pushover, but you know, politically also not
alpha. Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean it to
get that job, I because I would say alpha because PSI is like
I've said, ultra principled and he's like, yeah, if that's what
you believe in, run off into the woods.
You know what I mean? If it's not, if it's not
happening now, Bob, I would imagine you would disagree with
that. Unfortunately, I don't really
know anything about Bongino, but I I can still, I can still take
a crack at it so. Yeah, that's a real content
creator right there, baby. That's alpha.
Now, as far as walking out on
the job, whether it's principal or not will, I mean, I could
tell you that. Well, First off, most people
that have these cabinet jobs don't.
It's not, it's not even it's not supposed to even be a full term
thing. You're usually there one or two
years regardless. He's going to be spending most
of his life on on a radio show. They even if everything goes
successful with Trump, he's not going to be working in DC for
life. So it is a better move if you're
a snake. No principled guy to, to, to
say, yeah, I was there and I and I pushed my chips in and they
kicked me out and stuff like that.
Because you're going to be back on the radio soon.
Like regardless of, of however things go, go well, but I just
want to say real quick, it's an oxymoron.
Like like, OK, let's say that the Epstein files were a
repository of kompromat on the most powerful people in the
world. It's, it's like an oxymoron to
be like, OK, I'm the president and I'm going to release that.
I'm going to, I'm going to fuck over exactly, exactly.
Like if, if, if you would do that, you're saying those people
like are not powerful. Like what makes a person
powerful? What makes a person influential?
That's, that's that that people like the presidents rely on
them. It's like the idea that you
would you would fuck over at like every every influential,
powerful person world. Well that it's it's like AI
don't well, it doesn't make sense.
I don't, I don't like, I don't. I don't get it.
Yeah, I I guess to to say because I ultimately agree with
you. Like I definitely went down that
rabbit hole a long, like I said a long time ago.
It's like kind of weird when it pops back up, it kind of I think
Netflix did a documentary on a very like kind of just normie,
oh man, look at this guy kind of documentary about it.
Then the Maxwell trial happens. She goes down.
But I, I kind of, you know, I, I get where people are coming from
though, because like I said, you know, to me, that's, that's why
you don't mention it ever. Because because again, it's a 0
sum game. You will never, you will like if
it's as bad as ever, if it's as big and if it's this massive
tentacled beast that ever that the maximalists think that it
is. And I, I, to be fair, I think
there's, there's some reason to believe that there's some good
research done by people that like Whitney Webb and stuff
that, that, that, that, that at least have shown that if there's
something there, but. To me, I wouldn't have even
trusted a client list I got from Cash Patel.
That's the thing. Like I, you told me the thing
I'd be like, that's probably not even a real list.
Like because of the implications of it.
Like of, of like these people are running this blackmail
campaign and it's all these multinational corporations.
It's the head of all of these things.
And it's one of these things to basically say like we, we picked
the president. You're, you're an Israel black
male agent and stuff. Now, Cash Patel, if you guys
look up Cash Patel's girlfriend is an Israeli intelligence
operative. And he, he got the one that like
you see on Twitter and stuff, you know what I'm talking about
the IDF ones. He, he, he got one of those.
So I, I, I found that out today and I was like, whoa, OK, I see
why none of this shit happened, honestly.
Like, let's be real. So I definitely think there's
some connections there, but it was, it didn't factor into any
of my electoral process because I was just like, dude, that shit
is not like that is not going to be changed in an administration.
But then you started seeing the pictures of the binders and all
of these things. And if I'm Dan Bongino, I'm
like, well, I guess this is what we're doing.
All right, The binders. Yeah, let's do it.
Then if there's some sort of rug pool, whoever put the, the, the,
the SH on that, whether it's Trump, whether it's Bondi,
whether it's whether it's the invisible hand, I get why Dan
Bongino is like, wait, so do I get to do shit here?
Do I get to do anything? Because he is, I'm looking at
his history right here. You look at you look at
Bongino's ascendants right here. So like he just in the media
sphere, he started the Bongino report in in December 2019 as an
alternative to the Drudge Report because he said Drudge, Drudge
was basically a libtard. He's like, I'm to the right of
that Drudge, I'm supporting Donald Trump.
This is going to do that. He got banned off of everything
in 2020. Like a lot of people.
He had to go to rumble and stuff and whatever in 2021.
He ends up replacing Rush the Rush Limbaugh show.
I I think that's when Rush died. Damn.
So he like he's a big deal. Like he's not like this isn't
just some guy like you know what I mean?
On the on the like media thing, like like it was Cumulus media.
That's a massive company that just said you're the next Rush
Limbaugh, you know what I mean? And so I thought it was and, you
know, he was based during COVID. I thought his COVID stuff was
really good. That was the only time that was
when I first heard of him, to be quite honest.
Got a big contract with Westwood, one that's about as
big as it goes in radio. And then he kind of left all
that to do this. And I kind of think he was like,
I should have just stayed doing media.
I could have done my Epstein stuff.
I could have done my, you know, this and that like, and I, I
don't know, I, I, I have a tough time deciding because at the end
of the day, you take a job with the FBI, right.
And the FBI is interesting because you know, our
intelligence, you know, right now I see a lot of like people
that are trusting the plan. I don't know man, the plan in
terms of intelligence a couple years ago was how do we coop the
president? Yeah.
So I we're talking about like just a few months of Trump
working that over in his favor. And I don't know if Dan Bongino
looked and went like, holy shit, this is I am not a guy.
I am not Charles Bronson and death wish whipping around the
bag and Nichols like, yeah, let's go get him.
It's actually quite not that job.
So I I'm like right in the middle man cuz like at the end
of the day, is it is it alpha to walk out of like the greatest
job in the world? He.
Didn't go. Well.
He didn't, actually. Walk out.
Yeah. He hasn't done it yet.
Yeah, you're right. He said I might walk out, which
if, now if, if he does quit, then disregard everything I'm
about to say. But the idea of saying, well,
leaking that I'm thinking about quitting is a way to tell his
supporters, hey, look, I'm still that guy.
I'm very angry about this, but I'm not actually going to quit
my incredibly prestigious job with the FBI.
And you know, the this stuff for normies are normies like normal
human beings who don't think about politics constantly.
They're always looking for one weird trick to solve the problem
of politics forever, which is that's completely
understandable. But this is what the this
Epstein file Mcguffin is. I, if there is still a file, if
there's a file and it, it was the dossier that everybody
thinks they could release it and nothing, nothing would change
because that's not the structural reality of, of, of
how the empire works doesn't change.
So I think that it's crazy for people to put so much focus into
this. However, that's just what that's
what people are going to do. It doesn't.
I don't think it's. Necessarily hard to it like they
that's what I mean they bring it to it like they signal boosted
it in a way. It's like like you could have
just let that thing be a fringe thing, but then it became like
something that you would like on Fox News.
I saw like a long discussion about Jeffrey Epstein.
I was like damn. Like so with this whole like,
like don't make it. It shouldn't have been any part
of the campaign if if you wanted it to just be like not like I
don't know. That's the weird part.
I get the people who feel rug pulled ultimately, like, again,
what are you going to do? Yeah, what are you going to do
with your vote? They were rug pulled.
Yeah, they. Were rug pulled.
What are you going to do with your vote though?
What are you going to do with your vote?
Vote with the person. But Gavin Newsom, like I just
said, Gavin Newsom on Shawn Ryan couldn't commit to not
castrating 9 year old kids. He couldn't commit to it.
And he has a nine year old daughter and he goes, yeah,
that's crazy to me anyways, I will never support anything that
belittle stranded people. And it's like, you know, so it's
like at the end of the day, like you will have to weigh out like
a binary, but also can still feel like rug pulled in that
way. And I that's probably what Dan
Bongino thinks right now. I got rug pulled but what else
am I going to do? They promised something that
they couldn't deliver and they're going to be, they're
going to be punished for that. Reputation wise, Bondi might
lose her job. I think, I think Patel's out and
I think and guess where Patel could go?
Guess who's starting a third party that loves Indian people?
Yeah, but good luck with that. No, I just mean, I know I'm not
good luck with it, but that is literally a job waiting for him.
I bet is that like the H1 fucking B, you know, the program
job like that is 1000% where he's going to go the minute
because we don't forget like Trump will fire a lot of these
people. And I'm not saying it's because
of incoherent, it's just I think he's just going to fire a few
people. So.
Like he loves doing that. That's the.
Thing right so it's going to happen so I always when I see
people that are so sure of this so sure of that I'm like he
might fire these guys so just you know, there's no reason to
you know, get that locked in on. It But in Machiavelli's The
Prince, he says the first thing you should do when you take
power is hire somebody to be one of your top your top guys, your
top visible guys. This the biggest piece of shit
that you can possibly find. Find the most worthless sack of
shit that everyone hates in the entire world and give him a top
job. Stalin did this repeatedly with
his, with his head of intelligence.
Guys like Beria, I forget the guy before Barry, the bear you
killed like that was his. That was his, his thing.
He'd always had this monster in the background that everybody
hated and every like 10 years he'd just kill him and get a new
one. This way, he said he's in
Machiavelli. He says one day you'll be, these
were kings, but you'll be in the medieval version of being behind
in the polls. People won't be happy with you.
They're going to be looking for a new looking, looking to cut
your head off and at that moment, fire that guy, admonish
him publicly, call him a shit bird.
The people will love you. And it's it's, it's a, it's a
own goal in reverse. You know what I mean?
It's, and this is like one of his is is it's, it's like a
stupid trick, but he's like, this is a, a primary, a, a
political lesson. I want to I want to as we close
up here and I thank you guys for your time.
I, I want to say the the the last thing I want to talk about
now. I, I just know Bog, you've spent
some time in Miami in your life, so I think you might appreciate
this story. Maybe you knew this.
I don't know. I am a sports historian.
It's no job for it, of course, but I just, I do it for the love
of the game. I'm like, I'm like the Tesla of,
of sports historians. I love the AFL and NFL merger
time because I thought that was like the Wild West of a sport
that now dominates all of sports in my opinion.
So for anybody who doesn't know, there were two late football was
nothing. If you watch old football from
the 60s, you will turn it off immediately.
It sucks. It's not fun.
It's I, it's just completely not what you think.
Now. There used to be a, a rule in
football like for a long time, I think up until like the late 60s
where you could not block if you were on the offensive line, you
couldn't use your hands. So you just blocked like a Mario
flat Mario thing with your like, Bah, just like like it was, it
made the game stupid, right? So it was just, it was just, it
was just dumb. So now during this time, and
this is a job that still is done today, but you have a Rules
Committee and a competition fair play committee in the NFL for 20
years, there was a guy who had the job and his name is not that
important. But everybody around the world
knew that. Or if you were in the guy, I
should say, everybody around the the league knew that.
The real chairman of the Rules Committee, his name was Don
Shula. Don Shula also coached the team.
So you're in charge of the rules of the NFL.
And he's made some great changes like using your hands and, you
know, ushering in the forward pass, all these things.
But he had a team go undefeated. It's the only team to ever do it
go undefeated. 1972. 1972 now famously for anybody who doesn't
know, whenever a team is like 13 and O, 14 and O nowadays.
Now these guys I think are dead now.
So I don't know if they still do this.
A lot of them are dead, but they, I think Mercury Morris
might have been the last living member or living Hall of Famer,
I should say of that, of that team.
And but they would pop bottles in the champagne.
Nobody's beating our record and and nobody has the 2007 Patriots
almost did it, but they lost to the, to the Giants in the, in
the, in the Super Bowl. They they they almost did it,
but they didn't. So, but at the time, just
thinking about like, OK, you are the undefeated team in the
league. Nobody can figure out why they
can't beat you or anything. And you also run the fucking
referee committee on there. It's kind of based when you
think about it. And he had it until he was done.
He was he was the most influential man in football bar
none for 30 years. And like you couple it with
today, like if you were a team with the the Kansas City Chiefs
right now, they're like obviously the number one team,
you know, for the last six or seven years, you would say if
their coach, Andy Reid always like, hey, I'm taking a new job
in the NFL, but I'm still coaching.
I'm going to I'm going to be in charge of the Rules Committee.
Ever be like, what the fuck, dude?
Don Shula was like, Hey, do you guys want to grow the sport?
Do you guys want to stop, make it to where Harvard and Yale
aren't, where all the football players come from?
Well, guess what? I get to go undefeated and win
Super Bowls, but I'll fix your damn sport.
So I thought that was kind of a nice patronage model.
I don't know what you think of that.
Well, growing up, I mean my growing up in Florida, I mean,
my favorite athlete was Dan Marino.
Quickest quickest release ever. Amazing.
It was, it was, you know, I didn't realize it.
Like it's, I was obvious after sort of after like Dan Marino
was the last guy who like play, who played quarterback in the
70s model. Because like when you were a, a,
a, a Dolphins fan, you're watching this guy.
He's throwing bombs over and over again.
And like it's, it's blatantly obvious why no one does that
anymore. Because by the way, when you
were a fan at the time, this is Dan Marino.
He was my opinion. He's the greatest quarterback
that ever lived. However, when he's no people
wouldn't even agree at that time.
They would say not only he. Didn't win, I mean,
unfortunately. Not only, not, not only Montana,
Steve Young, by the way, it's like, OK, Montana's the greatest
quarterback in the world because he wins championship, OK, to
replace him and the very the next guy, oh, he wins the
championship. Maybe he's a little bit more
than Joe Montana, but anyways, this he's throwing these bombs.
And then yeah, realize like, yeah, this is this is not a
ideal way to play football. You should throw be throwing
short pass, because every time that that he would chunk up the
75 yard bombs, you, you know, your heart would stop you like
please don't get an interception.
Please don't cause the turn out like well, you know, every game
has sort of things that are OP in it that that give a game its
feel. And in, in, I think in in in
American football, the turnover is like the most Opie thing.
Yeah, turnover margin. I mean if you any successful
team, you look at their turnover margin, it's usually in the plus
and at a very high level. So and.
And also someone who who throws like that, I know he had a fast
release, but when you're dropping back to to bomb it,
that there's giant line line linebackers and defensive ends
coming after you. And back then there were like
roughing the passer technically existing as a penalty.
It was a thing that could happen, but it was more
theoretical than yeah. Yeah, they were getting killed.
Yeah, like. Comanche Indian style execution
in the backfield like you know, it was crazy.
No, they Marino is it was incredible because Marino my dad
still has my dad's not a Dolphins fan.
He's just a football fan. He had a just a tape of in 1985.
The Bears were the best team in football wasn't even close.
Dan Marino tore them apart. He was the only guy to do it.
He tore them apart because he was had a quick release.
His wide receivers were coked out of their mind, but they ran
like 4 three 40s. So they get down field quick
enough to where nobody could hit him.
And it was Mark Duper and Mark Clayton were their names.
They were both fantastic players, but they were, it was
just, it was a lightning in a bottle, Miami Vice type thing
happening. And it was, it was really cool
looking cool in the uniforms and everything.
But I just thought that was interesting about Don, Don Shula
running the lead. I mean, he's, he was, I, I mean,
you could even say there was a Jim Clyburn element to, to Don
Shula. Although I, I would say Don
Shula might have won more things.
I mean, just for himself, just himself.
He's got more trophies for himself.
He, he wasn't helping other people win.
He was, he was, he was winning this, this thing.
And he's just the type of guy that like he has like 8 kids or
he has like 8 successors either by marriage or by just like kid
grandkids or stuff. They're all coaching in the
league and stuff. We will have Shula's for all the
rest of our lifetimes and beyond us.
It's just unreal. So.
I That's crazy. I have Jim Clyburn trading
cards, by the way. Really are.
They made by tops. Are they made by?
Are they made by tops or like upper deck or something?
I don't know where I I have to go look, but they look just like
a sports card and they're just pictures of Jim Clyburn in the
back. That's all these these
boondoggles that he that he's done or whatever.
Like as far as the sports thing, I do want to say it's like, you
know, the first technology of like the superior method.
We, we see this a lot. It's like in basketball, you
have like like people didn't understand the time, but like
Robert Horry was, was, was playing like next generation
basketball before it was ready. The the I always think of the
best version of this with with with football was that with
quarterback was Jeff Garcia. You take a guy.
I, I, I, I've, I've met him and I, I took a football to his
house and got it signed. He's a very nice guy.
Awesome. Like cause 'cause Jeff Garcia
was, he would just like we're talking like in his mid 30s.
He's not super athletic. He's clearly not like a super
gifted athlete in any way that that people recognized at all at
that time. So you you had this sort of like
like a really basic beta version of a guy that OK, he only he
just does this one thing really well.
He he can read an offense and get the and and get the ball out
of his hands really fast. That's it.
But he did all this other stuff. No, he just he's bad at this.
He's bad at that. He can just get rid of the ball
really fast and read it and read the defense really fast and just
quick get rid of the ball. 5 yard pass really quick and
you're seeing this guy and he's still starting.
He's 32, he's 33, he's 34. You're like, what is this guy
doing? Still starting?
And then, you know, later on you get generate.
Now you get guys that are, they realize that's the methods.
Now you have super athletes, super talented guys that are
doing the Jeff Garcia thing and this, this creates the next
level. Yep, no, I mean like, like it's
a guy like Randall Cunningham right now, guy he's kicking
himself that he wasn't around. Like nowadays he's like freak
guys. But yeah, guys, thank you once
again for coming by. It's always, always a pleasure
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going to listen to it, but the the nuance Epstein episode,
which it's a fun way to that's a good way to frame a Jeffrey
Epstein episode is as as nuanced.
But yeah, that's that's good. So any any big anything big
coming up guys or you guys just. Age of consent Nuanced.
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bomb of a, of an episode to to drop on the public there.
So is there anything big in the pipeline for good old boys?
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We don't. We don't even use pennies
anymore so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Finally the injustice is corrected.
We got an X filed episode in the hopper that'll be out soonish.
And yeah, and most importantly, we're going to be featured on
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Yeah. Oh, how could I slip my mind?
Yeah, absolutely. It's always fun.
We'll catch up again sometimes on that.
No guys everywhere. Safe weekend.
We'll catch you guys next time. Southern Texas heat is burning
up my feet. Carolina snow is falling.
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way down home to a girl I call my own.
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