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Yeah, from the five to the six, 
we be in the mix with that rare 

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candy paint job on the web. 
I need food for the kids, money 

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for the rent. 
Fuck a lockdown baby. 

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I can't do that shit. 
I'll never vote 'cause I'm 

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fucking broke and either way I 
know the police ain't gonna 

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leave me alone on a plane by the
physical and rock me. 

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Crypto told me I should bring 
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up my piece and I'm sliding 
slide 'cause we might get caught

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up in a riot. 
Middle finger trunk, middle 

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finger biting fucker. 
Left fucker. 

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Right as you riding you let us 
see it. 

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Those rocking, you know politics
baby, we just talk to you. 

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From the birds to the bricks, we
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candy paint job on a whip. 
Who you with? 

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Oh, man, I thought I was getting
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I was in a diner, you know, a 
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It's a little more upscale than 
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meeting his family in in a very 
controversial season series 

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finale of of the show Sopranos 
that we're going to be talking 

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about. 
But I was in a kind of an 

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upscale diner having lunch. 
It was really hot and also I'm 

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looking at the diner menu and 
journeys don't stop believing 

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this plane and I'm looking 
around no members only jackets 

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that would that would have been 
crazy if there was a guy with 

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members only jacket. 
Bad son, bad son. 

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It would have been a bad, bad 
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So I, I thought that was going 
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Tech issues all, let's be real, 
we had tech issues. 

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All these things happening 
starting 1/2 hour late, just 

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awful stuff. 
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as it was like a pilot, like we 
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like, hey, the show must go on, 
you know? 

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Absolutely got to roll with it. 
Yeah, so I'm here with, I'm here

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with, with Vince Nappy. 
And he he is really. 

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Yeah, he's a soldier for this 
because he's seen this a million

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But it's tough to talk about 

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something at length. 
If you if you saw it, you know, 

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four or five years ago. 
There's there's things you miss,

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there's stuff you find every 
rewatch. 

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But I put out my feel, as I 
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Is anyone down to talk about the
spray? 

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I was looking within 5 seconds. 
It happens. 

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He's already was already tasked 
with the Tropic of Cancer. 

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But I think we're talking about 
one of the best shows ever and 

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one of your favorite authors in 
the same month. 

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Not bad. 
It's. 

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A bumper crop. 
Bumper crop with podcasts. 

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Yeah, yeah, I agree. 
I agree. 

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So I don't want to waste any 
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to discuss. 
Tell me your history with this 

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show by David Chase's and 
Sopranos. 

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Tell me your history. 
I mean, did you watch it live? 

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Did you did you pick it up 
later? 

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What happened? 
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the show was just hearing my 
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living room while this I just 
heard, you know, F bombs dropped

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one after the other and sounds 
of awful violence. 

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So as a child I was bewildered 
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watching it when it was on. 
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Then, I guess in my late, late 
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and the humor and the profundity
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show of all time, made itself. 
Readily apparent it is the 

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greatest show of all time. 
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it's mean to death. 
I've been doing a lot of things 

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that have been mean to death 
lately, But the reason something

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gets mean to death is typically 
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You know like like it's it's the
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that we just we tender we have 
just a meat tenderizer yeah of 

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the way we consume cultural when
we pound it out like just just 

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dead horses everything. 
But I'm the same way I'm born in

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1990. 
The show comes out in 99 I think

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no chance. 
There's no way you call CPS if 

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you're showing your 9 year old 
good Sopranos like like. 

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Trauma. 
Trauma. 

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You'd be giving trauma for life.
Would have been wasted on me 

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too. 
Would have been wasted on me 

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too. 
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appreciate the Bada Bing 
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I mean, come on. 
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understood any of the humor. 
And I remember my, my dad and my

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mom, we have, we lived in a 
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duplex. 
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watching cuz it was Sunday 
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on or something. 
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TV in the room, right, right, 
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both doors, you know, and I was 
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live. 
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season it got buzzed. 
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it was by seasons 5-6 and seven 
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But I, I just, I've always 
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talk about this for the longest 
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I couldn't get cited. 
Watch it. 

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Not that he doesn't want to it 
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I mean, you got to watch it's 
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essentially seven seasons and 
it's, but I, I rewatched it with

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my wife recently because I was 
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I said, hey, every like five 
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this. 
She goes, I, I put it on. 

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She's locked in the minute we 
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6:15 or 16, my dad was like, 
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from Blockbuster? 
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get the DV DS. 
Like I'll, I'll watch it with 

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you. 
You know, it's, it's time. 

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You know, it's like it's almost 
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You're man now, son. 
You're man, I watched I watched 

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the first season and it's good, 
but I'm like this is comedy. 

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This is analyze this. 
This is like HB OS analyze this 

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like funny, sure. 
What's the hubbub? 

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Of course you're locked in all 
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all of the rebrands that it does
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parts around it that that create
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doesn't have any down moments 
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So Fast forward again, my second
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like hard copies. 
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I rented it again from the 
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one disc at a time. 
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first met, she for a present or 
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bought me the big box set, the 
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which I do still have to this 
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Rewatched it with her. 
I watched it with her for the 

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first time on that and she liked
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She liked it a lot, but it 
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it did for me. 
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we rewatched it again. 
It's about another five years 

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He's sensing a theme here. 

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Five years, five years, five 
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I was in cycles. 
He's in cycles. 

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I think she was like, holy crap,
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Like she's like this. 
Finally. 

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It took her three times to watch
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how reactionary it is that that 
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reactionary a. 100%, yeah. 
I mean it. 

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It's only, as you said, the more
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to get, which to me sounds like 
the epitome of something that is

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a master work because it only 
unveils its secrets the more and

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more that you pour over it. 
And The Sopranos absolutely does

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that. 
It just gets better and better, 

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and the more other media that 
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stacks up against everything 
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as the best piece of television 
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And for for so many reasons too.
I mean, I, I've spent the last I

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never did it. 
So, so Sopranos became very 

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popular again in 2020 because it
was kind of a show that everyone

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forgot about, right? 
Not forgot about, but just some 

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people were too young for the 
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And then they go, OK, I'll watch
that show. 

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All right, I'll, I'll, I'll 
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Even older. 
I knew people, even my age and 

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older were like, watching it for
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like, OK, yeah, this is right. 
Meanwhile, the actors, Michael 

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Imperioli and Steven Sherpa, 
Bobby Bob Blah and Chris, Chris 

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Moltisanti, they start their own
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I never listened to it when it 
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I never listened to that when it
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during COVID. 
However, I checked it out. 

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Now I they go episode by episode
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nothing that they're doing 
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But the magic is lost when you 
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and remember that guy, the 
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sandwiches? 
That guy, dude, you're Chris 

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Moltisanti. 
You're Bobby Bacla. 

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Do the episode. 
Is that like, I don't want to 

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hear your guys? 
That would be funny. 

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Yeah, I think did it in. 
Character just commenting on 

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each. 
Episode but yeah, obviously, but

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I was they they they broke the 
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like, guys, you don't get it 
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were Like your characters were 
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tough to. 
But the good part is about this 

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is they would get an actor from 
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And that was really nice. 
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got the part, what they were 
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changed their life. 
Really interesting answers 

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because the show itself, there's
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people in the show in 1999. 
James Gandolfini is a character 

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actor Edie Falco's on Oz, you 
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Lorraine Bracco would probably 
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cast at that point. 
She was the star, she was the 

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star of the show and originally 
she read for Carmela that. 

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Would be interesting. 
She read for Carmela, but she 

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said and you know, she pulled 
kind of AI played a crazy 

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Italian woman I. 
Don't want to be the wife again.

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Yeah, she was like anytime I see
an Italian woman on TV. 

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Which is partially true. 
It's kind of a Oh my Lord, oh 

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gosh. 
Like, you know, just this, like 

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aghast, constantly aghast, 
constantly yelling she wants. 

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To play against stereotype. 
Yeah, you're thinking Talia 

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Shire and the Godfather, like 
all of these, all of these 

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people, she says. 
I like this psychiatrist 

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character and they're like, 
well, it's not going to be that 

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big part of the show. 
This is the thing. 

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This is TV. 
It's so much like, go on, go, go

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on the fly. 
The show is made by the casting 

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a lot of times and and stuff, 
but she she reads for that ends 

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up being perfect. 
And but yeah, you know, guys 

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like Michael Imperioli, 
character actor, minor roles 

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here and there. 
Stephen Sherpa was a club 

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promoter and and a stand up guy,
I think a stand up comic comic 

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in Vegas. 
He was making good money. 

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He was like, I gotta go. 
I guess I'll take this job, but 

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I'm taking a pay cut, right? 
And that for him long term. 

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Worked out for him long term. 
Dominic Chienis, right? 

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He's in Godfather too. 
Not a whole lot else. 

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No, he was living on like a one 
like in in his 60s before The 

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Sopranos, living in a loft with 
one little like like a like a 

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bachelor, like like almost like 
glorified air mattress kind of 

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stuff. 
And and this changed his life. 

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He's talking about your 60s. 
You know what I mean? 

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Doing that like he's got this 
shouldn't have worked. 

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No, none. 
Yeah. 

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I mean my God, that's he's got 2
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far as late life comebacks. 
He is very Henry Miller. 

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You're right. 
He looks like that. 

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He could, yeah, he could have. 
He could have done a Henry. 

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Miller. 
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he played Henry Miller, that 
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he has a really interesting kind
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work at, and people who are Bob 
Dylan heads are going to know 

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this. 
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Dominic Cheney's junior soprano 
was kind of the MC of that 

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They get him. 
They get him singing in the show

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once he. 
Right, so it's it's insane the 

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the amount of people that are in
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people that you've seen in like 
the back of casino, the movie, 

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the back of Carlito's way, where
I'm Speaking of pussy Bob and 

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sore. 
You know, he was, he's in 

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Carlito's way as one of the 
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Just, yeah, towards the end, 
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but giving them really deep, 
complex characters. 

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And it's you're basically a plan
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entire time, that's all. 
Out for all of them. 

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You got and and why would you 
trust a guy who like isn't that 

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prolific either, right? 
David Chase at the time he wrote

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for the original Mission 
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He he's wow, that's how old he 
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And you're talking about another
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something, and he's like, I want
to do one last thing. 

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And then I we'll see. 
You know, it's kind of one last 

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score on this that we're going 
to do. 

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And boy, did it ever. 
Do you know how he wound up 

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running the show? 
Was it just because HBO was 

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still pretty new in terms of the
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out, so they they let this 
relative unknown shepherd this 

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I think HBO needed a hit now, I 

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think. 
But it's weird because like mob 

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movies, they're like, OK, mob 
movies. 

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This, this guy's from New 
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David Chase, He's got all these 
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time was like Artless on HBO, 
which is, you know, it's not a 

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hit. 
It's it's pretty good. 

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Robert Wool. 
It's a sports agent show. 

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It's a very quirky comedy. 
It's it's not HBO is not does 

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not have all that. 
I think I don't even think sex. 

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Oz. 
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they run. 
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kind of was like, look, we got 
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something to, to stick. 
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Chase writes this or, you know, 
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It's I guess a lot of the last 
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he knew growing up. 
Moltisanti, Bakaliari, like all 

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these, these people are just 
composite characters. 

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And guess what, guys? 
David Chase, he had a weird 

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relationship with his mom. 
His mom kind of kind of a bitch.

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Let's get you back into the 
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There's a, there's a Lydia 
Soprano echo going on there. 

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Wasn't he involved in in 
psychiatry himself? 

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And was that something that's 
found its way into the show? 

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Obviously in a big, big way. 
Him and Lorraine Bracco bonded 

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over, I guess they were both in 
psychiatry, you know, like they 

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both had seen shrinks before. 
So basically they were both 

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like, look, we want it to be 
this way. 

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We want it, it needs to be like 
this. 

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We don't want it to be over the 
top. 

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We want it to kind of brood and,
and, and kind of be so I kind of

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just mundane, mundane, but, you 
know, and then lash out. 

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But, you know, getting into the,
you know, so much of that is 

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interesting. 
And you know, who better to 

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listen to than the people who 
made the show? 

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They'll tell you everything you 
can learn, everything you want 

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to know from the David Chase 
documentary on HBO Max talking 

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Sopranos. 
It's not really a Sopranos 

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podcast, but what the hell else 
are they going to talk about is 

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Jamie Lynn Siegler and Robert 
Iler? 

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Yeah. 
Sopranos show, it's like, what 

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else are you going to listen? 
All your fans are Sopranos 

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people, right? 
So they they can tell you 

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everything. 
And there we'll get back and 

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forth. 
I want to talk about the Pete, 

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the characters on the screen. 
I think I'm so stupid that I'm 

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like, no, these are all, no, I 
want to talk about Johnny 

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Sacrimoni, not Vincent Kuratola.
Johnny Sacrimoni. 

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It's a real person to me, you 
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real people. 
Yeah, I mean, and that's just 

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the testament to how well it was
written and how well it was 

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acted. 
Is that the fact that you can 

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look at all these people and you
stick with them for the the six 

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odd seasons and you go, my God, 
these are they're real. 

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These, these are all the best 
roles that any of these actors 

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have or ever will play. 
Period, end of story. 

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You, you can't top it because 
each of them had an arc, as 

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Christopher was saying in the 
what's my arc, Paulie, what's my

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arc? 
All of them have an arc. 

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All of them have a story that 
has a beginning and a middle and

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an end that is reached through 
the show. 

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And each of them is tremendously
complex. 

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It's not none, not a single 
person there is one sided or 

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just a pure caricature. 
And as you travel with them 

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through the story, that makes 
itself readily apparent. 

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And that richness and that lived
in world is incredible. 

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And that's what that's just what
keeps you coming back again and 

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again and again. 
And your favorite characters 

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change the more you watch it, 
you know, the your judgement of 

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their motives and their actions 
changes the more and more that 

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you watch it, you know, and, and
it's funny. 

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I mean comedy wise and and 
what's funny is that like I 

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said, the first season is like 
pretty outright comedy. 

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The the pilot re watching the 
pilot. 

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It's so silly. 
The and it's good, but it's Tony

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when he when he drives up onto 
the lawn and starts beating the 

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guy up like like in probably, 
whereas it's so much more covert

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later. 
It's so much more like get him 

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to follow you here, get him to 
right, right. 

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But I was just gonna ride up on 
this car park in the middle of 

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this office building and kick 
the crap out of this accountant.

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Yeah, junior, junior with the 
pussy eating. 

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I mean, this is all classic 
stuff, but it's like, here's a 

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complete tone shift After they 
know, they go, oh, this, I have 

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a hit. 
This is a hit show. 

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Now I get to really make these 
people people, you know, it 

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becomes a completely different 
show because for a while it's 

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like, well, we got to make 
people laugh. 

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We got to make, you know, you 
know, we got to have all the all

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of these things, like all the 
stuff that gets people 

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interested in the show. 
And then after that it it gets 

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really dark, it gets sad, it 
gets invested. 

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But one fallacy I want to get 
out of the way because there 

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have been a lot of not to 
politicize this show, but I 

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mean, what is it? 
There's a lot of like leftists 

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now that really like Sopranos 
big time. 

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You go see any kind of big 
account on the Internet, it's 

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typically run by like a 
left-leaning person, like a 

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Bernie type person. 
Fine. 

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Why? 
Everybody can watch it. 

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It's fine. 
No, no problem. 

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I don't know. 
I'm not necessarily saying these

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people justify it this way, but 
I've heard a lot of people who 

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are very supportive of the 
current thing, the current 

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ideology and stuff. 
Even Michael Imperioli himself, 

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who is like the turbo Lib. 
Yeah. 

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He's an old, old school New 
York. 

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Theater, my gosh, he said. 
Right wing people cannot watch 

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The Sopranos or White White 
Lotus. 

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I'm like, do you even know what 
show you're in? 

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This guy, he's, he's, his head 
is up his own ass, 

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unfortunately. 
Oh, and the you want to talk 

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about jump scares? 
Listening to that talking 

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Sopranos, it's like during the 
height of COVID, Yeah. 

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I remember, I remember when it 
came out. 

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Yeah, and it's like, look, I'm 
not holding anybody to what they

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said back then. 
Nobody knew what was happening. 

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But my gosh, like, they're like,
I'm scared to be around the 

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microphone. 
Bobby and I just so you know, 

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just these, these like we got. 
Adriana, we got Adriana Lucerba,

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OK. 
We do, and he guess who's not? 

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Guess who is not invited on the 
Talking Sopranos podcast was 

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never Drea de Matteo and Vincent
Curatola. 

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Guess what? 
Political ideologies, Those two 

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people. 
Hey, my name Sig comes through. 

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He follows me on Twitter, by the
way. 

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That's so. 
Like Twitter is straight Fox 

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News boomer I love it I yeah, 
it's great it's great he'll be 

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like AOC. 
Are you a dumb yeah that's what 

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that's what his that's what his 
stuff is and it's great and why 

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would why would it be anything 
else leather. 

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So but one fallacy about The 
Sopranos is that you're supposed

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to hate these people. 
You're supposed to hate them. 

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Hard to do. 
There's like 3 people I hate in 

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the show and I and it's clearly 
people that are villains, right?

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You are going for Tony Soprano 
every time. 

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There is no point in the show 
where you want him to lose, to 

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die, to go to jail, to even have
a bad day, right? 

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You are like foam finger go team
Tony Soprano the entire time and

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you're in complicit in every 
single act that he does because 

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this is war. 
He is a gladiator and there's 

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constant references to generals.
He's constantly on TV watching 

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generals, Gladiators. 
He's a History Channel buff when

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History Channel was the World 
War 2 channel. 

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Exactly. 
He would watch all that stuff 

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because that's it's literally 
with you're taking barbaric 

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gladiator culture. 
It's like blood Meridian level 

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and putting it into late 90s Y2K
era technology where they're 

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starting to realize that maybe 
that's there's things that get 

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used against them, you know, and
and it's it's tough to see, but 

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we don't want Agent Harris to 
win. 

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Agent Harris is horrible and 
he's eating disgusting 

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sandwiches and burping. 
He can't digest anything. 

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He has like stomach parasites 
for fighting. 

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Agent Harris winds up liking 
them. 

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He loves them because he just 
starts working in terrorism, 

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which guess who's not cool? 
Guess what? 

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Your subject is not cool. 
Terrorists in the Middle East. 

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Nobody thinks those guys are 
cool. 

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Well, some people do, but you 
know, like, like he's like, at 

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least Tony's like, well, let me 
get this salami sandwich on the 

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on the House. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Russian guy's ear, you know. 
He takes, you know, I scratch 

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your back, you scratch mine, and
you know the enemy of my enemy 

444
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,600
is my friend in in this case. 
Yeah, so man, let's, let's just 

445
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,880
let's free flow. 
Let's fire away at that. 

446
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,720
These things, I there's no way 
to go chronological, just 

447
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,280
whatever comes up comes up. 
Tony. 

448
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,640
We'll just we'll just have to 
start with Tony because it all 

449
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,760
runs through him. 
You can. 

450
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,840
Tony is not my favorite 
character. 

451
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,720
However, he's objectively the 
best character. 

452
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,720
Oh, yeah? 
Well, yeah. 

453
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,400
I mean, because each episode is 
ultimately about him, so he is. 

454
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
Yeah. 
I mean, but wait a minute, hold 

455
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,120
on. 
He's not your favorite 

456
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,960
character. 
I'm a, I'm a, I'm a Chris guy. 

457
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,000
Maltisanti fan. 
I love Chris Maltisanti all 

458
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,920
right, I just I just I I mean I 
love him. 

459
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:20,320
Johnny Sack this go round was 
unreal like I I did not. 

460
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,960
I only guy understood. 
I didn't think I I took the 

461
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,400
Johnny Sack pill, which this 
time no, these guys again, you 

462
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,120
could kill them and the show 
goes on. 

463
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,760
Tony is the guy, like obviously 
he's the guy. 

464
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,840
Like it's, it's just and you 
know, more or less like, you 

465
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,440
know, you're talking about like 
objective winners and losers. 

466
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,640
Like he's the winner of the 
show. 

467
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,640
I mean, he is. 
He is the. 

468
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,600
That's he. 
I don't know. 

469
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,880
Don't stop believing, man. 
This. 

470
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,000
I have a take on that. 
I yeah, interesting thing with 

471
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,840
that, but it but nonetheless, 
he's out. 

472
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:56,280
He survives Ralph Ciferetto, 
Richie Abreel, he survives the 

473
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,280
whole junior. 
He survives Junior. 

474
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,600
Yeah, he survives Juice Band and
the first season. 

475
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,600
He survives his mom and Junior 
conspiring to kill him. 

476
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720
And a carjacking. 
Oh man. 

477
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,560
Carjacking so he does win and 
and and he survived. 

478
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,960
I mean many reek of the Rico 
case, like so much of that 

479
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,520
stuff, you know, for the time 
being, within the scope of the 

480
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,120
show, he wins. 
I I do, I do like Chris because 

481
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,400
I just think he's, he's 
comedically great and his 

482
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,320
spiral, he's like, he's like, 
he's like this Dostoevsky in 

483
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,160
character this like like Dmitry 
Karamatsov, like just insane, 

484
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:39,680
like brute spiraling brute who I
mean, he's like, he's just, he's

485
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,200
he's very sensitive. 
I was going to say he's a 

486
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,360
sensitive brute. 
He's a sensitive brute Yeah, He 

487
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,960
he and and just his like 
relationship with Tony the the, 

488
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,880
the true father son, you know, 
the true father. 

489
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,760
So even though they're probably 
not that, I think Michael 

490
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,400
Imperio is like 3 years younger 
than him but in. 

491
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,960
Real life, That's so funny. 
It is James. 

492
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,640
I don't think he was only 51 
when he died. 

493
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,160
Yeah, I know. 
Which is absurd. 

494
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,880
Yeah, he he died way too. 
Young, he looks terrible. 

495
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,480
I mean, he really did like like 
from the first when you look at 

496
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,120
the first season. 
Oh yeah. 

497
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,920
He aged so much. 
I mean it, it was like 2 

498
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,440
presidential terms basically is 
what it seems like, like when 

499
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,840
you see him at the beginning and
the end, like like Obama, when 

500
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,720
you see what Obama looked like 
after it like it's just, it's 

501
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,520
just like they look, I mean, and
why wouldn't he though, right? 

502
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,640
Like why wouldn't Tony look like
that at the end of? 

503
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Oh yeah. 
I mean, you, you carry around 

504
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,240
that kind of, you know, I don't 
know, there's been a lot of hay 

505
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,640
made about the hole that he dug 
himself into playing that 

506
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,840
character and. 
Right. 

507
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Yeah, I mean, obviously it's 
true because it fucking killed 

508
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,760
him. 
So yeah. 

509
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,680
But I mean, Chris, Chris is an 
amazing character. 

510
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,960
You know, you want to root for 
him, but his consistent, just 

511
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:04,280
total self sabotage paired with 
these, you know, this bizarrely 

512
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,320
touching sentimentality that 
he'll come back with and the 

513
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600
true love and affection that he 
bears for Tony. 

514
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,440
And you know, you're on a yo-yo 
and a seesaw with him from start

515
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,280
to finish, you know? 
Yeah, and he does the most 

516
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,160
honorable thing I think anybody 
in the show does, and that's 

517
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,200
give up your own wife because 
she's a rat bitch. 

518
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,560
I mean, like and and Tony, you 
know, probably the worst part 

519
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000
about Tony, in my opinion, like 
the part where I I disagree with

520
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,760
him the most is when he when 
Chris brings it up, like come 

521
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840
on, TI need this. 
Like I gave up Adrienne. 

522
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,040
He acts like it's nothing. 
Oh, she was a rat. 

523
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,160
It's nothing. 
It's like, hey, hey, that's not 

524
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,800
nothing. 
Tony, would you give up Carmel? 

525
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,840
I don't think he he probably 
would, but it would. 

526
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,520
Well, I don't know. 
That's actually a tough. 

527
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,160
No, I don't think he would. 
Yeah, that's what I mean. 

528
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,680
Like you wouldn't do it. 
Yeah, I don't think he would. 

529
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,560
Yeah. 
It's so true. 

530
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,680
Yeah. 
I mean, I don't know. 

531
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,240
God, it's. 
Yeah. 

532
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,440
I mean, again, another testament
to the show's greatness is that 

533
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,880
it makes you struggle with these
questions. 

534
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:11,760
Yeah. 
And. 

535
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,600
And, you know, really makes you 
think about your own boundaries 

536
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,480
of what is and isn't acceptable,
what is and isn't, you know, 

537
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,600
good quote UN quote. 
And you keep in mind through 

538
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,280
this whole show that as Tony 
says, he's like, I'm a soldier. 

539
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,760
When you do this, when you're in
this game, you accept that there

540
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,320
are certain rules and that 
everyone that winds up getting 

541
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,680
killed or, you know, grievously 
injured, they are all agreeing 

542
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,040
participants in this game that 
they are all playing. 

543
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Yeah. 
And he doesn't. 

544
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,280
And through the show he doesn't.
No one. 

545
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,200
There's no civilians that go and
get hurt intentionally unless 

546
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,320
they, you know, they're, they're
fucking with something big. 

547
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,120
You know even Artie Bucco, 
right? 

548
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,800
Who he he could, if Artie Bucco 
was any other person. 

549
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,440
Yeah. 
Or he would have gotten killed, 

550
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800
or he would have had his knees 
busted, you know? 

551
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,840
Janice, I mean, you think if 
Janice is not her sister and 

552
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,080
Janice is just like, let's say 
she's feat Lamanna's wife, 

553
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,680
right? 
Immediately cut out, immediately

554
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640
cut out because look at you look
at it right, you look at family 

555
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,360
like it's kind of it's kind of 
crazy though, Tony, Tony has 

556
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,800
this duality with family. 
Like like he would never let 

557
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840
anything happen to Carmela 
despite like punching through 

558
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,760
the drywall. 
And you know, he would never 

559
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
want any of this to happen. 
Even though they have a brutal, 

560
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,640
you know, ostensibly separation 
for a little bit of time, but 

561
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080
you think about too, he's 
walking through the hospital in 

562
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,640
season 1 with the pillow over 
his mom ready, ready to to take 

563
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,080
his mom out. 
He never does. 

564
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,400
There's that. 
Great. 

565
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,000
See. 
Apparently he was supposed to 

566
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
kill her, which I that doesn't 
work. 

567
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Not not in public, and not like 
that. 

568
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,720
No, and it no, no, no, and it 
also just that's that's the 

569
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,080
final unslayable dragon is the 
mom and that and she and the 

570
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,520
specter of her lives throughout 
the whole season. 

571
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,000
So if he's killed his own mom, 
but then she's she's haunting 

572
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,480
him through the rest of the 
series. 

573
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Doesn't I understand like tell 
you could do a tell tale heart 

574
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,000
thing, but he's not some beta 
Edgar Allan Poe protagonist. 

575
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,080
That said. 
Well, I'm. 

576
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Scared of my mom? 
No, like if he killed her, that 

577
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,120
would show this kind of that 
would show this kind of like I 

578
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,280
slayed the dragon. 
He never slayed the dragon of 

579
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,120
his mom. 
That's why he's in therapy 

580
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,440
through the whole show. 
Therapy was like therapy too. 

581
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,520
Like this was like, I'm not 
saying I'm I'm a big fan of just

582
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,440
giving people Zoloft when 
they're feeling a certain kind 

583
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,440
of way, but not everyone was in 
it. 

584
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,440
It wasn't just given to 19 year 
old people as a default thing, 

585
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,880
right? 
Well, you see that with AJ in in

586
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,280
the the final episodes when, you
know, when AJ's character Orc 

587
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,160
finally hits a wall. 
But yeah, I mean, and we see how

588
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,720
medication works out for Tony 
when he is trying to get his his

589
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,600
prescription levels correct and 
he's hallucinating beautiful 

590
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Italian women in the Cusimano's 
backyard. 

591
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,560
But yeah. 
Yeah, and can't get hard too. 

592
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Like when he thinks, which is if
Tony can't get hard, I mean, 

593
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,080
he's the most virile. 
Like Tony is a is a consumer and

594
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,200
he's this. 
It's not a mistake that he's 

595
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320
just housing like full meals 
every scene. 

596
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160
It's not it's not a drinking 
constantly. 

597
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,880
He is just this absolute 
insatiable human being. 

598
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,920
And every time he is, there are 
hardly any moments where he is 

599
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,160
just sitting down and doing 
nothing and consuming nothing. 

600
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640
And when there are like towards 
the end, when he has to go to 

601
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,240
the beach house, vacate the 
beach house to hide from Phil 

602
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,840
while that while while they try 
to find where he is sitting 

603
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,040
there doing nothing, It's so 
powerful because he's not eating

604
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,160
ice cream, he's not watching 
this good channel, he's not at 

605
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,840
the Bing drinking, he's not 
anything. 

606
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,200
He's just sitting there with his
own thoughts. 

607
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920
You finally get that towards the
end. 

608
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,920
It's. 
Oh, man, that's such a good 

609
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,200
point. 
Because. 

610
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,760
Yeah, Because every scene with 
him is just barely pent up 

611
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,400
frustration, rage, he's about to
explode over something. 

612
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,960
Every good mood is just a 
prelude to him punching through 

613
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,720
a wall, beating someone up, 
screaming at someone. 

614
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Yeah, every single one. 
And those moments when he really

615
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,520
does sit there with his own 
thoughts, that's when he eats 

616
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,040
himself from the inside out, has
bizarre dreams, winds up having 

617
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,000
problems. 
That's so true. 

618
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,200
So many. 
Yeah. 

619
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,040
He he and you know you right at 
the beginning of the first 

620
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,280
season, his basically his best 
friend, one of his best earners.

621
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,800
You know, it's best friend and 
best earner are two things like 

622
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,080
you're you're you got to be 
both. 

623
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120
By the way, with Tony, if you're
a bad earner, but you're the 

624
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,120
best friend, there's always so 
much I can do. 

625
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,880
You're not my best friend. 
Because if you didn't earn why 

626
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,080
you're not my friend. 
We don't what are. 

627
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,560
You going to do about it? 
What are you going to do about 

628
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,440
it? 
What are you going to do? 

629
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,400
That's my one of the best when 
there's clearly it's something 

630
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,040
you could have done. 
I love when they're at the 

631
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,080
funeral of a guy they killed and
that's what are we going to do? 

632
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,480
What are you going to do? 
One of the best parts and I'm 

633
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,680
skipping way ahead here. 
One of the best parts is I can't

634
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720
remember the character's name, 
but he's the guy wearing the 

635
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Members only jacket. 
Yes, yes, yes, Gene, gene 

636
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,240
ponicorvo. 
He wants to move to Florida, 

637
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,800
which is hilarious, by the way. 
The whole premise of it is so 

638
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,160
funny. 
They're in this trashy Jersey 

639
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,680
neighborhood, him and his wife, 
and they get one side plot, 

640
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,520
which is how you know he's going
to die or go to jail. 

641
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,920
These are three things that are 
going to happen when when a 

642
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,160
character you don't see very 
often gets his own. 

643
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Episode. 
He gets an episode, yeah. 

644
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,040
Yeah, where the kid wants to, 
he's like, my son's doing 

645
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,720
heroin. 
I want to move to Florida where 

646
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,800
he won't do heroin anymore. 
And so it's like all these like 

647
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,520
which, you know, because they 
run in, but there's a part with 

648
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Tony. 
It's Tony is Caesar, right. 

649
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Tony is Caesar, yes. 
And very much, I mean, I and 

650
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,200
literally he views himself that 
way too, and as that. 

651
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,320
So every he gets a touch of 
everyone's envelope and this guy

652
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Jean's aunt dies or wife's aunt 
dies, something like that. 

653
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,360
They come into like 1,000,000 
1/2 or something. $2,000,000. 

654
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,800
$2,000,000. $2,000,000. 
$2,000,000 in a time back then 

655
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,280
where like. 
That's a lot of money. 

656
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,840
That's like 4 million today, 
yeah. 

657
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Yeah, yeah. 
For that. 

658
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,120
So he comes up on that. 
He, he he's in the middle of 

659
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,160
explaining to Tony what he's, 
what he's trying to do. 

660
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,880
And Tony's just like kind of 
looking weird. 

661
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,840
You don't know what's going to 
happen. 

662
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160
And then Jean goes, oh, yeah, by
the way, here's your taste. 

663
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,680
He goes, Oh, I wasn't going to 
ask. 

664
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Yeah, exactly. 
Not that I want to say, not that

665
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,840
I want to say, but. 
But you know, he was like, wait,

666
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,360
why is he not handing me an 
envelope right now? 

667
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,680
And so, so many, I mean, James 
Gandolfini, they talk about it, 

668
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800
his eye, what he does without 
saying anything. 

669
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040
And I'm not a big actor guy. 
I don't really care about actors

670
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,720
that much. 
But he's able to just kind of do

671
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,800
that like, and he doesn't break 
the 4th wall. 

672
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600
He's not Jim Halpert looking at 
the camera when Michael Scott 

673
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,560
does something stupid. 
It's very much at the person. 

674
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,560
And Edie Falco says her favorite
scenes and she's never seen the 

675
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920
series, but. 
She's never watched it. 

676
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,200
I think she said she watched a 
couple episodes and it was too 

677
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,400
much for her like. 
Oh my God, this. 

678
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,120
Is weird. 
I don't think she watches. 

679
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,840
I mean, she's a, you know, she 
she's very works a lot. 

680
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,120
I love there's Jackie. 
That's an awesome show. 

681
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,520
She's a pro, yeah. 
She's incredible in that though.

682
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,040
And but anyway, he's like, one 
of my favorite scenes is when I 

683
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,880
like make him dinner and we just
don't say anything for like 10 

684
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,840
minutes. 
And the only thing that makes 

685
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,080
the scene even worth being in 
there is all the stuff leading 

686
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,320
to that moment. 
So we're all just in there 

687
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,600
processing it. 
You know, Meadows got this going

688
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,880
on. 
Carmela's not a thing with the 

689
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,840
crease. 
Tony was the girlfriends 

690
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,760
committing suicide, right? 
They're all just having dinner. 

691
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600
I'm not saying. 
It's just the sound of him 

692
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,840
furiously stabbing his plate of 
food, shuffling his his food 

693
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,520
around. 
Yeah, and he so he what what 

694
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,520
Tony has to do in his first, he 
he's tested immediately because 

695
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,360
you don't know Tony Soprano in 
the flipped season. 

696
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,640
You're like, well, what's he 
going to do? 

697
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,800
Is he going to run away? 
Is he going to help somebody get

698
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,520
away? 
He loves Pussy, Bop and Cero. 

699
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,400
By the way, I'm not lost on the 
fact that one of that his best 

700
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,720
friend has the name Pussy, which
is the thing Tony's chasing the 

701
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:19,200
entire series. 
But he he says they have to kill

702
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,600
Pussy, Bob and Sparrow and that 
goes all the way into the second

703
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,360
season. 
It's a long. 

704
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,720
I forgot how long that process 
is. 

705
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Yeah, it really is. 
Up until the end of season 2, 

706
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,680
that's the finale. 
Yeah, so true. 

707
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,160
I mean, and, and throughout the 
whole show you realize just how 

708
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,000
almost every single one of his 
captains has turned rat. 

709
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Yeah. 
And he's the only one who 

710
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,680
doesn't know. 
And then thankfully, they all 

711
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,280
either die or go to prison 
through, you know, for through 

712
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960
other means through throughout 
the course of the show. 

713
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:59,720
But yeah, I mean, he he's the 
only one who actually sticks to 

714
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,320
the code of ethics that they all
claim to ascribe to as members 

715
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,680
of this family, right? 
Right. 

716
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,400
Because you see this, especially
when he's in the hospital after 

717
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,320
Junior shoots him. 
I mean, we're scooting all over 

718
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,680
the place timeline wise. 
But I'm going to assume everyone

719
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,520
has seen the show, you know, 
because it's been out for, at 

720
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,400
this point for over 20 years, 
right? 

721
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,200
But you see how everyone is 
willing to toss him and Carmela 

722
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,720
under the bus when they think 
that he may or may not come out 

723
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,960
of the coma that he's in. 
Yeah. 

724
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000
You know they're already like 
Paulie. 

725
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,480
Even Paulie Walnuts is skeeving 
on, giving Tony the taste of the

726
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,880
$2,000,000 score that he's just 
gone through. 

727
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,560
Everyone's like Willy or Wony, 
what's going to go on? 

728
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,680
It isn't until he actually pops 
out of the coma that all of them

729
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,320
go holy shit and they and they 
beeline to kiss the ring. 

730
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,880
But throughout the whole show, 
he's the only one who still 

731
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,120
holds to the respect of and the 
rules of the game. 

732
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,920
Junior kicks Junior bitches him 
out through the whole show. 

733
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,800
He still shows up and gives him 
respect, even though he hates 

734
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
his guts at times and even 
though he even bolt, you know, 

735
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,320
asks him point blank, do you 
love me? 

736
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,720
There's a very poignant episode 
where at the end of the Do You 

737
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,560
Love Me? 
When Junior's losing his marbles

738
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,760
and but he still shows up and 
does homage to the elders in his

739
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,040
family and the people in his 
team. 

740
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,840
Christopher, he could have 
thrown under the bus as soon as 

741
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,880
he found out that this guy was a
junkie Fuck because. 

742
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880
And you should. 
That's the thing. 

743
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640
He's like, like he actually 
doesn't follow the rules. 

744
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
And what I mean is Tony, but he 
all his errors are things are 

745
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,600
mistakes we want him to make. 
We just want him to kill Chris. 

746
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,600
So we all want him to. 
So, yeah, so OK, so you're 

747
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,200
leading now into exactly where I
was taking this is he respects 

748
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,840
the rules, but he's also had he 
he has a sentimentality that I 

749
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,120
don't think any of the other 
characters actually show, with 

750
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,200
the exception maybe of Johnny 
Sack, who legitimately loves his

751
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,400
wife Jenny, you know, and who 
also seems like a generally 

752
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,480
honorable person despite the 
fact that of the profession that

753
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:19,600
all these guys are engaged in. 
But you realize just how eager 

754
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,720
and easy it is for all of them 
to toss things by the wayside 

755
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,480
when the heat bears down on 
them. 

756
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,320
And Tony's kind of the only one 
that doesn't. 

757
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
And Johnny Stack as well. 
I mean, he goes to jail for it, 

758
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,600
but you know. 
I so, so Johnny is so 

759
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,040
interesting. 
I found him to be the most 

760
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,600
fascinating character in terms 
of that I hadn't seen before 

761
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,680
that I that things were unlocked
for me and what what his role is

762
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,920
in this series. 
So I, I got to we have to 

763
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,720
dedicate literally like a few 
minutes to let's. 

764
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,240
Talk about John. 
Because I, I was I've always 

765
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,640
liked them. 
It's it's you always like them, 

766
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,760
but you just kind of view him as
this villain kind of. 

767
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,520
I don't even think he is a 
villain. 

768
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Like I don't, I don't even think
he is. 

769
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,160
I, I mean, you figure look, 
Johnny Sacrimony, Johnny Sack is

770
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,280
the he serves. 
He's a captain under Carmine, 

771
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,640
right? 
Like for a while. 

772
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Carmine's obviously not going to
last that long. 

773
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,960
His son is retarded funny when 
you realize the things he said. 

774
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,240
I didn't even pick this up the 
first four times I watched the 

775
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,640
show. 
Is Carmine misusing words 

776
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,880
constantly. 
Oh, it's so funny. 

777
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,120
It is the funniest thing. 
It kills you and you're like 

778
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,920
this. 
He's just in like a pink Lacoste

779
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,040
shirt. 
He just wants He has zero killer

780
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,000
instinct 0 business savvy, none 
of it. 

781
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
He has nothing to offer. 
So Johnny Sack is is the shrewd 

782
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
guy. 
Here's Johnny's problem. 

783
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,680
Johnny is so rule oriented. 
He is so honor based. 

784
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,240
He thinks everyone needs to act 
like me. 

785
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,160
He is this classic. 
If if everyone is needs to be 

786
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,800
made in the mold of me or else 
they need to go. 

787
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,920
And then you realize, well, 
John, you can't just kill 

788
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,560
everybody. 
You need to have soldiers. 

789
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,840
It's the new era. 
And Johnny, there's a there's a 

790
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,080
part where John, when Carmine 
dies and they have the funeral 

791
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,480
in Jersey. 
And they have the cross rosary 

792
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:17,680
right draped around his and his,
I think Carmine goes up to 

793
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Johnny Sack and goes, my father,
what the fuck was it? 

794
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,160
What the fuck is this? 
My father is your father was 

795
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,960
very interested in what the 
church was doing. 

796
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,720
And basically that. 
Plus Johnny Sack does not have a

797
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,240
gumar. 
I mean, that we know of. 

798
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,960
We're never alerted that he has 
a gumar. 

799
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,400
In fact, he deeply loves his 
obese wife. 

800
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Yeah, that's one of the greatest
episodes of the show where she's

801
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,160
smuggling Twix and stuff. 
And did I ask you to do this for

802
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,040
me? 
Oh, it's so sad. 

803
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,040
It's so touching. 
Yeah, it's and no, but my wife 

804
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,840
was the sweetest thing I've ever
seen. 

805
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Like, like it's just like and 

806
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,800
you love him, but he is such he 
he is just such a old guard guy.

807
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Johnny Sack in 1966. 
He would have been. 

808
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,760
The nest he would have killed 
Chris Molta sign. 

809
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,080
It would have just been all he 
would have. 

810
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,800
He would have been like AI mob, 
basically like how AI would be a

811
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,600
mobster. 
And I don't mean that from a he 

812
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,400
would still have this great 
personality and everything, but 

813
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,240
he would do. 
There wouldn't be the nuance 

814
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:21,400
that Tony has because Johnny is 
like, wait, we used to kill gay 

815
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,200
guys. 
We used to kill these guys like 

816
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,720
we used to do all this stuff 
like what are you doing, Tony? 

817
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,960
Whereas Tony's probably right, 
times are changing. 

818
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Well, they even call it, you 
know, they even make fun of. 

819
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,760
He's like this yuppie fuck, you 
know? 

820
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,840
They call him like this yuppie 
fuck, you know? 

821
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,840
Nice cars, you know? 
Yeah, he still loves his his 

822
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,920
good stuff, but it's all old 
stuff. 

823
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,240
Like, it's not like he's not a 
strip club guy. 

824
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,920
He's not. 
No, no, I'm talking about Tony. 

825
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,920
They call Tony this. 
They refer to him as a yuppie. 

826
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Oh, I miss that. 
Really. 

827
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Yeah. 
So, but it's true. 

828
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,560
It falls in exactly in line with
what you're saying in that Tony 

829
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,240
is we're talking about him and 
rooting for him and and and 

830
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,080
calling him honorable and all 
this that in the third. 

831
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,000
But yeah, it's true. 
He's willing to blur the lines 

832
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,120
in a way that guys like Johnny 
or Philly Attardo especially are

833
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,600
not. 
And none of them have good ends.

834
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Tony's is maybe a bit more Gray,
but all the old school guys, all

835
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,960
of the old school guys, every 
single one of them all either go

836
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,240
to prison or get killed. 
Yeah, and, and part exactly. 

837
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,400
And part of the thing with 
Johnny is Johnny's fate is 

838
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,520
really sad. 
It's really sad what happens. 

839
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,320
I think it's among the saddest 
things that happened in the 

840
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,160
show, in my opinion. 
He. 

841
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,040
He. 
Johnny is goes to jail. 

842
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,160
He's arrested at the at the 
wedding where to be honest, his 

843
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,320
it's like kind of a not a old 
school thing. 

844
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,640
He cry. 
He weeps when he's build away 

845
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,040
from his daughter's wedding 
where he is on basically a small

846
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,800
release. 
The wedding's going a little 

847
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,160
long and he starts crying and 
people go, my opinion of John 

848
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,200
sacrimony is not high, right? 
They're. 

849
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,880
They're paying. 
Yeah, and maybe that is John 

850
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,960
Sacrimony's like weak link, but 
it's it's family at the end of 

851
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,440
the day, right? 
Like it is family. 

852
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,280
And what does Tony say? 
Daughters are another question. 

853
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,240
Daughters are. 
It's a different, right? 

854
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,360
Yeah, it's a different thing. 
But what Johnny does is like, 

855
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,600
OK, so Ronnie thinks that if you
play by the rules, exactly by 

856
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040
the rules, if you are playing a 
board game and you have the 

857
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,720
laminated sheet of rules, if I 
do everything right, I'm 

858
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,880
probably going to be OK. 
And that's not the case. 

859
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,880
He does do most things right, 
and you see from the beginning 

860
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,200
how he's disrespected. 
He's basically saying somebody 

861
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,720
makes a Ralph Sifferetto makes 
the comment about his obese 

862
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,160
wife's. 
He said she had what is. 

863
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,520
Like 100 and 8090 LB mole 
removed from her ass, yeah. 90 

864
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,680
LB mole removed from her ass. 
And that said in front of 

865
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,040
everybody except John, John and 
John is like, what are we doing 

866
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,920
here? 
Why are we having a sit down? 

867
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,440
This guy's a dead man. 
Like like you know, I'm right 

868
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,120
And they're going John, it's 
different. 

869
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,920
Ralph earns a lot of money. 
John it's different and he plays

870
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,880
by that rule. 
So he's never rewarded for not 

871
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,600
killing Ralph himself, by the 
way. 

872
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,000
He's never rewarded for that 
because the whole time this show

873
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,520
is, I won't say there's no 
morals to this show, but there's

874
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:24,480
clearly a new age to what 
they're doing that they're not. 

875
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,760
And it's not progressivism, 
right? 

876
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,720
It's clearly not progressivism. 
A new way to do things. 

877
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,720
And Johnny Sack is not that guy.
And he dies in he he he right, 

878
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,480
he he doesn't rat on anybody. 
But guess what happens? 

879
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,120
It doesn't do anything for his 
case like he he doesn't get any 

880
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,320
breaks in prison or anything 
there. 

881
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,200
He's dies of of lung cancer, of 
really bad lung cancer in jail 

882
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,440
with that excellent final 
episode of Johnny with with 

883
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Sydney Pollack as the as. 
Yeah, Yeah, yeah. 

884
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:56,560
That's. 
Unreal. 

885
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,640
And that, yeah, he's so good 
where they're, where they, he's 

886
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,000
like, ah, let me look at your 
charts. 

887
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,600
And all he does is give Johnny a
little positivity. 

888
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,360
That's all he does. 
He's the only guy to do it. 

889
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,000
So. 
Good. 

890
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,760
His wife's telling him don't 
smoke. 

891
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,960
You know, all these people are 
in his face and he doesn't get 

892
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,280
anything. 
But Johnny is this example of 

893
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,240
guys, these are soldiers. 
These are you need to leave your

894
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,080
little moralistic things at the 
door, right? 

895
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,560
Like they you can, you can say, 
oh, honor this honor that honor 

896
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,840
gets you shit, all right, Like 
honor gets you shit. 

897
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,880
There is nuance. 
You need to not everybody plays 

898
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,560
by the rules. 
These guys are savages. 

899
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640
And Johnny's like one of those 
guys that's like, well, I played

900
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,880
by the rules, yes. 
So what? 

901
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,520
So I, I, I, I, I love what they 
do with his character as a, as a

902
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,040
thing of saying like, look, this
might have worked in the 60s. 

903
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,200
Now Jack shit. 
We got junkies everywhere. 

904
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,000
Yeah. 
Drugs. 

905
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,440
Strippers, all of these things 
which you know, they always had 

906
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,400
those, but it's a different era.
Post crack, post 911, post all 

907
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,520
of these things. 
Different era. 

908
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,480
Fuck things up. 
Yeah. 

909
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,800
You know, they, they took they, 
you know, they talk about drugs 

910
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
through the show. 
Just you know, when, when Tony's

911
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,600
yelling at pussy, like don't 
push that big H anymore, right? 

912
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,840
Because that's what brings the 
government down on your head and

913
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,800
that's what actually causes 
problems for us. 

914
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,000
And you know, that was the case 
for many, many decades was all 

915
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,080
right. 
You know, the mob, they're not 

916
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,640
going to crack down too hard. 
And the minute they got into 

917
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,720
hard drugs and really making a 
crap load of money through that 

918
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,800
is when it a lot of things 
started to fall apart. 

919
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Goodfellas, that happens, right?
Don't. 

920
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,960
Yeah. 
Paul Sorvino. 

921
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,520
Paul. 
Yeah. 

922
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Goodfell don't do. 
That shit, yeah. 

923
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,680
Are you fucking pushing that? 
That do not push that dry. 

924
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,600
I said no drugs. 
I don't care what the money. 

925
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,440
It's not worth it, you know, and
to be fair, it's true. 

926
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Everybody goes down for drugs. 
The drugs are the shit, which. 

927
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,200
But again, it's one of those 
things, if I don't push it, then

928
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,400
we lose the neighborhood to the 
people that do. 

929
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,200
Yeah, there's. 
Even do you remember that time? 

930
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,280
When do you remember when 
Chrissy and and Paulie go up to 

931
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,800
Boston because they're going to 
hire those hit men, those blind 

932
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,800
hit men And he tell. 
And the reason that they're this

933
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,640
impoverished, like mongrel blind
gang of, of down on their heels 

934
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,240
hit men is because they never 
pushed drugs. 

935
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,320
And that's why they they lost 
ground and wound up having to 

936
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,800
take out hits in order to make a
living. 

937
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,280
But yeah, but it's so true. 
Like all those guys, you know, 

938
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,480
even. 
Yeah. 

939
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,680
Shit. 
I mean, you know, you want to 

940
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,600
think about it, it. 
It tends to be the downfall of 

941
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,120
some of the main characters in 
the show. 

942
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,360
Chris, it's heroin, which winds 
up screwing him up. 

943
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,920
Ralph is like an inveterate coke
addict, which causes him to do, 

944
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,280
you know, he's a shitheel 
anyway. 

945
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,160
But it caused him to to do 
terrible things. 

946
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,080
Pussy winds up getting whacked 
because he's he's pushing 

947
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:14,400
heroin, you know, Yeah. 
It just, it causes, it only does

948
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,560
terrible things for everyone who
winds up getting involved in in 

949
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,600
narcotics. 
Through the show money, right? 

950
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:27,760
Because remember when Tony does 
peyote, I guess, with Chris's 

951
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,280
old girlfriend? 
I get it. 

952
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,760
In Vegas, he kind of has this 
like breakthrough where he's 

953
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,520
like, wait, yeah, right, guys, 
don't you guys shouldn't be 

954
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,960
doing this shit. 
Yeah, Found a little something 

955
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,960
with it, you know, where you 
realized like a lot of things, 

956
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,080
you know, he has the peyote 
moment in the desert, very late 

957
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,520
90s or mid 2000s, very classic 
like thing that they were doing 

958
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,240
a peyote in the desert and 
stuff. 

959
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,720
So that is, that is really 
funny. 

960
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,600
But yeah, some other stuff we 
got to talk about here. 

961
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:02,120
What did you think of Polly? 
I mean, he's, I, I just, I just 

962
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,200
finished the episode where he 
finds out that his mother is not

963
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,720
his mother. 
And he and he's awful the entire

964
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,920
episode. 
Oh, he's terrible to his his 

965
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,240
poor the the woman who raised 
him. 

966
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,160
Mary Marianucci. 
Yeah. 

967
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,080
Immediately throws her 
television out the window. 

968
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,200
Says he never wants to see her 
again. 

969
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,840
Yeah, Oh my. 
What amazing woman. 

970
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,080
Just an absolute I'm. 
Saying. 

971
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,840
Cross on the wall woman, you 
know, just absolute, like, 

972
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,000
nicest, like it looks like 
Martin Scorsese's mom kind. 

973
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,200
Of that's all Italian 
grandmother's, but yes, yeah. 

974
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,960
Strigonona, very strigonona. 
Yeah, like just kind of like, 

975
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,920
like got that look about her 
nicest woman ever when he when 

976
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,720
he's you know, and I, I found 
him to be so annoying and I. 

977
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,280
There was kind of a thing that 
unlocked, because the thing 

978
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,800
about Paulie is, yeah, he never 
snitches, right? 

979
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,240
Because why? 
He has no wife, no kids. 

980
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,160
He has nothing. 
He has nothing except for his 

981
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,000
own miserable, you know, his own
misery. 

982
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,080
He's a fucking cheapskate. 
He's a miserable character. 

983
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,200
He was ready. 
He was ready to throw Tony and 

984
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Carmela under the bus when Tony 
gets shot and he's laying there 

985
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,200
in a hospital bed and he's 
wondering whether or not he 

986
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,880
should kick up. 
But he does. 

987
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,640
He does still Revere Tony. 
He does still Revere he has that

988
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,040
that portrait of him on the 
wall. 

989
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,680
He salvages the the portrait of 
pony with the horse. 

990
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,480
So you know, but I but Tony 
snubs him one too many times. 

991
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,520
I. 
Know. 

992
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
And you know, you get that 
moment when him and Tony are on 

993
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,120
the boat and towards the end of 
the show and you think Tony's 

994
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,400
going to kill him. 
He finally. 

995
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Yeah, but what would do? 
Like my thing is, is like Polly 

996
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,040
is topped out though. 
Like there is nothing Polly 

997
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,040
could not handle the 
responsibility of because we see

998
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,000
a chance of Silvio trying. 
He can't. 

999
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,080
He has worse. 
Panic attacks? 

1000
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,920
Yeah, exactly. 
Worse panic attacks than tone he

1001
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,560
has worse Polly would be he 
wouldn't even have the panic 

1002
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,080
attacks. 
He would just be a retard like 

1003
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,840
he would do a whole reco K. 
Everybody would get the jail 

1004
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,240
whacked like it would be 
terrible, like he's just 

1005
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,960
completely incompetent. 
I in my opinion, Polly is a 

1006
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,600
soldier, right? 
And Polly was probably supposed 

1007
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,920
I was thinking this too. 
Paulie was probably supposed to 

1008
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,720
die 20 years prior. 
Like just in, in general, like 

1009
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,600
probably he even talks about 
he's like, oh, I survived in 77.

1010
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,120
I survived the big, you know, 
gang war that you kind of think 

1011
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,720
like, I think everybody expected
you to die back because you kind

1012
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:26,360
of just wore one of those 
Brendan Fallone type guys, like 

1013
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,920
die in a bathtub. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1014
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,160
Like you kind of expect him to 
be that, but he's just kind of a

1015
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,400
guy that he's like this 
cockroach of a character, like 

1016
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,560
just surviving nuclear blasts, 
surviving prostate cancer. 

1017
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,240
I think surviving all of these 
things and you you kind of like 

1018
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,800
and I I what he did to his mom 
again that you talk about you 

1019
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,720
talk about how did Tony handle 
his mom, right, A mom who was 

1020
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:56,120
way worse than than Marion, like
way worse than her Tony, like 

1021
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,320
till the end, still went to the 
hospital. 

1022
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,320
I'll be it to do things, but he 
went to the hospital to say to 

1023
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,280
talk to his mom and and all of 
these things. 

1024
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Despite it just being like she's
dead to me, she's dead to me. 

1025
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,280
He still did that. 
Paulie. 

1026
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,120
Here's one thing of bad news and
that's that's that's the thing. 

1027
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,760
That's why Tony is meant to run 
the crew. 

1028
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,880
Tony can take bad news spaz out 
for like a quick second, make a 

1029
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,960
move, right? 
Make a move Paulie bad news, he 

1030
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,880
freaks out again. 
He has no why he is the the 

1031
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,400
Michael Crichton lone man 
hypothesis where if anyone 

1032
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,880
hasn't read the Andromeda Strain
Andromeda Strain they have the 

1033
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,000
lone man hypothesis where you 
always want to have a guy. 

1034
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,480
You're the guy who gets The 
detonator. 

1035
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,320
Key is the guy with no wife and 
no kids. 

1036
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,920
If the lab needs to blow up is 
he will not think about that. 

1037
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,600
That is like he will just he'll 
he'll do it. 

1038
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,080
He will make a rational 
decision. 

1039
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,400
But guess what Polly doesn't 
have Despite that level of 

1040
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,520
independence. 
Yeah, he's stupid. 

1041
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,880
He's a child. 
He's just a selfish fuck. 

1042
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,680
You know to to reduce it down to
a simple phrase. 

1043
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,680
RIP, Tony Serico. 
Awesome guy. 

1044
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,080
But just. 
Yeah, the character. 

1045
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,680
Yeah, the character's great. 
I mean, the character's guy. 

1046
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,120
I hate him, though. 
Like I like. 

1047
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,880
Yeah, and again, it's just like 
a testament to how well all of 

1048
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,600
these characters were written 
and how well they were played. 

1049
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,680
Yeah, Oh my God, but you're man,
you, you hit the nail on the 

1050
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,400
head there. 
Sill couldn't handle it. 

1051
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,920
Sill, you know, is self admitted
in that he saw himself as more 

1052
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,800
of a behind the scenes guy, 
right? 

1053
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,200
He never wanted the smoke. 
Robert Duvall and The Godfather 

1054
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,520
is yes. 
He's he's died in the wool 

1055
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,120
consiglieri. 
He never wanted to head the 

1056
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,840
family. 
And A and a smart one at that. 

1057
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,800
He's a very smart consiglieri. 
Yes, you want this guy as your 

1058
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,280
second in command. 
Yeah. 

1059
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,600
Christopher, if Chris had 
actually fulfilled Tony's wishes

1060
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,320
of becoming his mouthpiece and 
ultimately succeeding him in the

1061
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,400
family, he would have driven it 
straight into the ground. 

1062
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,880
I don't care. 
I don't care how sober he would 

1063
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,360
have been. 
He would have been a terrible 

1064
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,080
boss. 
And he couldn't have kids with 

1065
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,680
Adrian. 
So it's like then, you know, 

1066
00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:01,240
like you figure the optics of of
that, like it's, it's doomed. 

1067
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:04,720
The minute they say Adrian can't
have kids, you realize, like 

1068
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,800
after, because when you know, 
when you know everyone's fate, 

1069
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:13,240
you start looking on subsequent 
watches of like, when does when 

1070
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,000
is their fate sealed right? 
Like is, is when you know, 

1071
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,600
that's why rewatching things are
great. 

1072
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,360
And I actually learned how 
important a rewatch was, was 

1073
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,040
when I watched Chinatown. 
When you watch Chinatown, it 

1074
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,920
turns into a horror film the 
entire time after you know what 

1075
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,680
happens because you're just 
watching these things that lead 

1076
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,200
into this disgusting. 
Like, like it's, it's not a it's

1077
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,640
not like noir like this. 
The first time you watch it, 

1078
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,840
you're just like, Oh my gosh, 
this spectacle, this beautiful 

1079
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,040
stuff. 
Whereas in The Sopranos, there's

1080
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,080
so many like you're you're 
catching lines for the first 

1081
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,560
time. 
You're catching all these things

1082
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,920
and you're paying attention. 
But when like Adrienne basically

1083
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,560
just is at her worst when she 
has IBS, I think that she had 

1084
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,320
like a bad abort. 
Was it an abortion? 

1085
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,720
She had an abortion years ago, 
and that only comes out when 

1086
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,760
she's talking to the FBI agent, 
who she assumes is her friend. 

1087
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,880
Danielle. 
Danielle yes. 

1088
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,360
Who's hot, you know, But you 
know, But Danielle was an FBI 

1089
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,520
agent and. 
Chris's Chris's greatest line 

1090
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,800
was when they kind of have like 
a almost threesome on the couch 

1091
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,400
together when they're doing on 
the thing where she goes, you 

1092
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,480
said she had a nice ass. 
She goes, I was, she's your 

1093
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,800
friend. 
I was trying to say something 

1094
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,600
nice. 
One of the best lines in the 

1095
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:33,480
whole show. 
Yeah, but you're Yeah. 

1096
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,200
Anyways, you were saying like, 
yeah, she yeah, a poor thing. 

1097
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:40,640
You love her to death. 
She is so 25 IQ stupid. 

1098
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Tragic, tragic, but this, this 
gorgeous woman is willing to 

1099
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,920
support and pump up the ego of 
this guy who is like even Tony 

1100
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,280
says you're punching way above 
your weight with this woman kid.

1101
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,120
You know she she's totally in 
his corner from start to finish,

1102
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,280
wants to support him as a 
screenwriter, encourages his 

1103
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,520
dreams, is in his corner even 
when he smacks her around, and 

1104
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,960
is is just awful to her from 
start to finish. 

1105
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,480
She. 
Warned of getting it, you know. 

1106
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,760
Chris like the, the like Chris 
is 11 part where Chris just like

1107
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,920
Adrian, like pays attention to 
everything Chris does. 

1108
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,280
She, he knows like everything. 
She, he, she knows all his like 

1109
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,640
things she likes like what he 
she doesn't really cook, but 

1110
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,760
like if she does, she knows what
to make like what the limited 

1111
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,400
skills of like, Oh, I, I made 
this for you. 

1112
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,760
Whether he wants it or not. 
Chris, I remember that part 

1113
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,800
where he's comes off on a huge 
shipment of like Manolo shoes, 

1114
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,840
but they're like 12. 
They're like giant. 

1115
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,520
Sized. 
Yeah, I'm a giant, like a WNBA 

1116
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,040
player and, and and and he's 
just like, and the idea is like 

1117
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,240
like you don't. 
I don't think I know my wife's 

1118
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,520
exact shoe size. 
I don't. 

1119
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,720
I wouldn't get it 3 sizes off. 
I'll just say that much like you

1120
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,040
know. 
What that counts, you know. 

1121
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,960
I know. 
It's just, it was so funny. 

1122
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,600
I guess I'll take these back. 
You know, it was just like, like

1123
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,840
it's just this. 
Yeah, they're they're married. 

1124
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,760
They're they have like this like
William Burroughs kind of like 

1125
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,960
marriage that's happening. 
Like it's, it's, it's, it's sad,

1126
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,880
it's their apartment is, is 
horrible. 

1127
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,600
Like everything, everything 
about it is just like like 

1128
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,520
total, like Pittsburgh, 
Goodfellas, cocaine connection 

1129
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,520
apartments. 
It's it's there. 

1130
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,880
It's terrible. 
But Adrianne talks about getting

1131
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,000
the job with with David Chase, 
and she's kind of a nobody at 

1132
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,200
that point. 
I think she was like in with 

1133
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,800
like the Abel Ferrara crowd at 
that time, kind of the new. 

1134
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,080
York She was another like 
already scenester kid in the 

1135
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,880
city. 
Her mom was like part of a like 

1136
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:39,160
the. 
Big. 

1137
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. 
And I think if I'm not mistaken.

1138
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,960
Her mom. 
Her mom was was in the acting 

1139
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,200
and theater scene in the city. 
I see. 

1140
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,480
And so she grew up around that 
and she was just supposed to be 

1141
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,520
a bit player in the show. 
And then David Chase liked her. 

1142
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,760
I mean as, as you were, I think 
going to go into, you know. 

1143
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,280
She she was supposed to be 
waitress at Vesuvios with no 

1144
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,240
name. 
That was your character at the 

1145
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,680
beginning, waitress at Vesuvios,
Arty Bucco's restaurant. 

1146
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,000
You think maybe at the most it 
was going to be already has a 

1147
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,520
thing for the Hostess for like 
an episode to get rid of her. 

1148
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,400
You know which they do that in a
way. 

1149
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,520
But yeah, he you know. 
But I think what she said in the

1150
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,320
day in the documentary, she just
said ow like that, like like a 

1151
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,680
Jersey girl like, and he just 
goes, does that that have to 

1152
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,560
happen? 
Girl. 

1153
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,480
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1154
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,960
It was exactly like that. 
He just goes that has and it's A

1155
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,880
and it's a great call. 
The auditions for the show are 

1156
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,840
funny. 
I do love that's the one kind of

1157
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,560
behind the scenes things I love 
about the show. 

1158
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,600
Vincent Kuratola, Johnny Sack 
was talking about auditioning 

1159
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,240
for the show. 
A lot of these guys had like 

1160
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,960
businesses. 
He was a stone Mason, had a had 

1161
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,360
his own masonry business. 
Like he's in his 40s. 

1162
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,800
He was a judge, like kind of a 
spot judge on law and order. 

1163
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,640
I think he still is like a judge
on law and order here and there.

1164
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,800
You know, like he was just 
getting little rolls like that, 

1165
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,160
but nothing that was paying the 
bills. 

1166
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,440
But he was he was kind of like 
scratching a little itch he had.

1167
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,400
And then his wife, who was an 
Irish woman. 

1168
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,520
And he he makes a point to say 
this like, you know, she's 

1169
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Irish. 
My wife is Irish. 

1170
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:15,640
And she says you should do that 
show. 

1171
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,840
And he's kind of thinking like 
this, like calm Italian comedy. 

1172
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,200
I don't know about this, You 
know, like, like I, this is 

1173
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,880
going to be disrespecting 
Italians. 

1174
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,760
Who's it going to get picked up?
Like then I'm going to be 

1175
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,280
embarrassed that I was in a show
disrespect. 

1176
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,360
Whatever. 
He he goes to the audition. 

1177
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840
He's late to the audition. 
He's like, I don't even want to 

1178
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,720
do this. 
He goes to this audition. 

1179
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,640
The lady, the casting lady, who,
I'm not sure if she's the one in

1180
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,560
here, but it's Christopher 
Walken's wife that did the 

1181
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,280
casting for Sopranos. 
No. 

1182
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,840
George Ann Walken, she did the 
original. 

1183
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,200
I don't know if she's the one 
that casted Johnny Sack because 

1184
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,640
I think he was a later in the 
season, season 1 if I'm not 

1185
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,200
mistaken. 
He. 

1186
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,480
Doesn't show up right away at 
all. 

1187
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,280
He shows up when hash when they 
have a sit down with hash. 

1188
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,680
I think it's the first time he 
shows up. 

1189
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,440
But he, he said he went to the 
audition and he, he, she goes. 

1190
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,960
You're late. 
And he goes, oh, yeah. 

1191
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,320
And she goes, well, I don't 
wait. 

1192
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,000
I don't wait around for people 
to go, all right, fine. 

1193
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,440
He doesn't. 
All right, fine. 

1194
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,000
Kind of like Johnny Sack in that
voice. 

1195
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,880
He's very much, you're talking. 
He's very much just. 

1196
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,880
Johnny the same guy? 
Yeah. 

1197
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Same exact guy. 
It's very nice because a lot of 

1198
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,440
The Sopranos people are not 
their characters and it's sad. 

1199
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,800
So painful. 
It's I actually hate it but like

1200
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,240
Edie Falco doesn't know how to 
cook. 

1201
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,040
It sucks there's no at least. 
Paulie was basically straight up

1202
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,960
and down. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1203
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,200
Steven Van Zandt is in Bruce 
Springsteen's band. 

1204
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,880
It's 1 of this stuff. 
But but Johnny Sack does this 

1205
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,560
all right, fine, and does like 
that. 

1206
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,440
And then she goes, hold on, no, 
hold on the way you said that 

1207
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:44,920
you know this. 
Is the man. 

1208
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,920
Yeah, hold on. 
No, I'm going to make you read. 

1209
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,160
So they all talk about this, the
cast all talks about this. 

1210
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,160
They heard from behind the wall.
It was a thin wall. 

1211
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,840
You could hear people 
auditioning for the part which 

1212
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,000
fucks you up. 
I feel like that would be 

1213
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,640
insanely, insanely weird thing 
where you're like, do I copy 

1214
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,280
that? 
Do I not copy that? 

1215
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,600
Am I way off? 
Am I? 

1216
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,880
You know, it's like the kid who 
turns the test in after 5 

1217
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,440
minutes while you're on question
5, you know, like it's it's very

1218
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,720
much you think about that. 
He says Johnny Sack hears 

1219
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,840
everybody and it's the sit down 
with Hesh from season 1. 

1220
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,880
I believe that is the scene. 
He sits down and and he's 

1221
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,000
listening to people. 
They're all yelling, they're all

1222
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,600
screaming and he's like, this 
guy's the boss of New York or, 

1223
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,920
you know, he's to, to the Jersey
crew, he's a celebrity. 

1224
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,680
This guy to the Jersey crew, he 
is a big fish. 

1225
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,800
He goes, he wouldn't need to go.
So he goes in and he's like, 

1226
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,720
they can barely hear me through 
my audition. 

1227
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,760
I made him lean in. 
He goes because I don't really 

1228
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,800
need this part. 
He went in with his confidence, 

1229
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,520
like, I don't need it. 
I have my masonry business. 

1230
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,200
I'll pass that down to my son. 
We're fine, you know, and he 

1231
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,440
kind of does that. 
And I talk to him like this and 

1232
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,680
I, he's, he's talking and they 
loved him and it's perfect 

1233
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,920
because he is. 
When Johnny does raise his 

1234
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,280
voice, you kind of go like, 
yeah, yeah, it freaks you out a 

1235
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,760
little bit. 
Everybody else, Italian hands 

1236
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,280
and, you know, limbs going 
everywhere. 

1237
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,120
He, he's just sits there with a 
cigarette constantly and just 

1238
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,440
kind of goes, what the fuck do 
you expect me to do, you know? 

1239
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,840
And, and that's when it comes 
out. 

1240
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,120
It's great. 
So I, I love that. 

1241
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,120
Like, I love the audition 
stories of the of The Sopranos 

1242
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,520
people. 
So let's talk about Silvio a 

1243
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,600
little bit more. 
His wife is his wife in real 

1244
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,120
life, which is funny. 
He's nice, makes the hospital 

1245
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,600
seems kind of sad when he's 
meets his fate towards the end, 

1246
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,480
he dies. 
You think? 

1247
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,120
I mean, more or less, he's not 
coming. 

1248
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,760
You kind of leave it all up in 
the air for. 

1249
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,080
He's not coming out of that. 
He's not having the Tony Soprano

1250
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,680
because we've we've already 
found out he's not Tony Soprano.

1251
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,320
This is true. 
So he wouldn't come out of the 

1252
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,680
coma. 
You know that this is true. 

1253
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,440
It it's so he isn't going to 
have that happen. 

1254
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,160
But he I I like. 
I like SO a lot though for a guy

1255
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,120
who has no acting experience. 
Yeah. 

1256
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,000
I mean, you know, you could look
at him like a caricature, which 

1257
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,840
he kind of is. 
He kind of just plays him as 

1258
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,160
this constantly scowling guy 
with a with a very fake 

1259
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,960
hairpiece on, you know, just 
like, I mean, I'm mugging for 

1260
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,240
the camera because so people 
aren't going to see it, but you 

1261
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,240
all know it's Sill's face looks 
like. 

1262
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,800
But yeah, I mean, he's just he 
is the the straight man to 

1263
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,000
Tony's blow UPS. 
And he always seems like the 

1264
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:46,480
sanest person at the back of 
Satrie AL's or in the Bada Bing 

1265
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,760
because he's the only one who 
wasn't out there screaming all 

1266
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,040
the time. 
And he generally he tends to 

1267
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,520
have good advice for Tony and 
reel in some of his his more 

1268
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,000
violent impulses when it comes 
to the way he wants to rule on 

1269
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,640
certain things and. 
What's really funny is when you 

1270
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,800
find out what's his right, the 
Bing is his. 

1271
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,920
So when Ralph is fucking Tracy, 
that girl and Sylvia, Sylvia 

1272
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,840
goes to the house and drags her 
out and she's like, I don't know

1273
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,200
what you meant, but that shaved 
twat belongs to me. 

1274
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,360
And he fucking throws her on the
car. 

1275
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,000
Oh, I forgot, I forgot that he's
like can kill people and like 

1276
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,960
hurt people and. 
Stuff, he's got it like that. 

1277
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,000
Sila's got it like that, yeah. 
So those two moments, there's 

1278
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,880
that and then the soccer coach 
who's like kind of a pedo, those

1279
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,200
are the two moments where Silvio
freaks out. 

1280
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,400
Yes. 
Oh man, that's so true. 

1281
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,520
That's a great, that's a great 
one. 

1282
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,880
That's so many good side plots. 
The Robert Patrick Sporting 

1283
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,160
Goods store. 
Oh my God, Hugs, gambler. 

1284
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,240
Yeah, like all of the, you know,
it's people want to say, oh, 

1285
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,200
yeah. 
The show didn't find its full 

1286
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,640
swing until season 3. 
Yeah, OK. 

1287
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,520
I don't even know but but. 
Yeah, but there's so many great 

1288
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:05,600
episodes in every single season 
that just stand out on their own

1289
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,560
as being these fun things to 
talk about and refer to and that

1290
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,360
you stick in your head because 
they're so memorable. 

1291
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Yeah, Tony's deadbeat friend. 
His friend from high school who 

1292
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,880
winds up being a degenerate 
fucking gambler. 

1293
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,640
And it's played by a guy who 
typically is this menacing 

1294
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,480
Terminator man. 
The fucking Terminator is 

1295
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,200
getting busted out sleeping in 
a. 

1296
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,400
Tent always a prick, like just a
huge prick and everything. 

1297
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,800
And he is this wallowing loser, 
Eeyore loser sleeping in a tent 

1298
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,240
in his own store and he still 
doesn't know. 

1299
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,080
And they're like, you need to 
get out of here immediately. 

1300
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:46,200
And you learn, you learn that. 
And then the the Tony finds 

1301
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,160
different ways to kill people, 
right? 

1302
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,080
That's a great way is to kill 
people. 

1303
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,960
You could have shot that guy and
saved his family a world of 

1304
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,320
trouble. 
No, he's going to bleed, believe

1305
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,560
you dry. 
Another instance of that is when

1306
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,280
Tony does it to fish Lamanna. 
Yeah. 

1307
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,360
Yeah. 
Right. 

1308
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,040
What does speech Lomana want 
more than anything? 

1309
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,720
Never to go back to the can 
right Peach Lomana is is part of

1310
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,880
a great. 
This is such a great thing to 

1311
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,840
introduce in the later seasons 
is setting the old guard guard 

1312
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:22,200
guys free and not realizing that
shit's been happening since 

1313
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,600
they've been gone. 
You have Steve Buscemi, Tony 

1314
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:30,680
Blundetto, you have Fech Lomana,
Robert Loggia, just incredible. 

1315
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,480
These guys are incredible. 
At this point, The Sopranos is 

1316
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,520
like casting itself and. 
Yes, it's true. 

1317
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,520
You need you need Robert Loggia 
to show up at some point in The 

1318
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,520
Sopranos. 
It's great that he showed up as 

1319
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Feets Lamanna. 
Oh, I love feets, man, where he 

1320
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360
is one of his first big comments
is like these women I get out of

1321
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,640
the joint and they're and they 
they're shaving their they're 

1322
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,440
shaving their pussy. 
Like exactly. 

1323
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,360
Yeah, girl. 
I mean, but it's like you're 

1324
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,120
still doing it, obviously. 
But yeah, he's like, yeah. 

1325
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,160
And he's like, I guess it's not 
that big of a of a thing, but 

1326
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,000
yeah, he but he think they think
that they're going to get this. 

1327
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,200
You know, that's why I brought 
up the Johnny Sacks situation. 

1328
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,000
If you think that Johnny Sacks 
thinks that if he plays the 

1329
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,720
right way, he will get rewarded.
And it gets it blows up in their

1330
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,440
faces. 
These guys think, well, I did my

1331
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:21,920
time, I'll get rewarded for 
doing my time. 

1332
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,720
No, we just won't kill you. 
That's why you're having time 

1333
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,200
for the deal. 
We just won't kill you. 

1334
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,520
You don't get. 
Shipped through. 

1335
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,160
They, they all get thrown under 
the bus. 

1336
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,680
They all think that they've got 
something coming to them. 

1337
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,840
And they realize that that the 
code that they all swore a blood

1338
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:43,040
oath to ultimately doesn't mean 
as much as they thought it 

1339
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,720
would, you know? 
And yeah. 

1340
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:51,240
And I mean, it's, it's, it's 
like, it's a it's it. 

1341
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,080
You could look at it as a 
tragedy because yeah, they're 

1342
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,480
all scumbags. 
They're all, they all do really 

1343
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:01,000
shitty things to everyone. 
But they're soldiers. 

1344
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,600
They all bought into the game. 
They all bought new set of 

1345
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,560
rules. 
And you expect if you play by 

1346
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,080
the rules, as you keep saying, 
that Johnny Sack played by the 

1347
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,800
rules. 
All these guys went to jail 

1348
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,160
playing by the rules. 
If I don't rat, I do my time 

1349
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,320
like a man. 
I come out, I'm going to get 

1350
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,200
what's coming tonight. 
Yeah. 

1351
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,920
None of them get what's coming 
to them. 

1352
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,720
None of them. 
Lives like that. 

1353
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,279
I mean, again, you know, if 
you're a Christian, you might 

1354
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,600
not ever pay for your sins in 
your natural life. 

1355
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,399
You'll pay, you know what I'm 
saying? 

1356
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:32,520
Like so in the real this, this 
life that we live in, whether 

1357
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,520
you want to call it a 
simulation, anything like that, 

1358
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,880
an audition for the afterlife or
all these things like, hey, you 

1359
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,399
might, you might skate by. 
But you know, these guys all 

1360
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:42,520
have a crazy fate happening for 
them after. 

1361
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,399
But there is a moment where 
Tony's in Melfi's office and, 

1362
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,520
you know, Doctor Melfi kind of 
gets taken aback a little bit. 

1363
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,479
I mean, obviously there's 
there's a psychosexual 

1364
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,720
companionship for them the 
entire through the entire series

1365
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,720
that really makes their 
conversations really good. 

1366
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,080
But she says, do you think 
you're going to heaven? 

1367
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,000
And he goes, well, do you think 
soldiers go? 

1368
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,200
And she's like, fuck, yeah. 
I think maybe they might. 

1369
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,080
I'm like, why? 
It's war. 

1370
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,040
He goes. 
What we're doing is war. 

1371
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:11,920
Yes. 
He's like, what? 

1372
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,720
Because there's not a, there's 
not a government involved. 

1373
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:15,399
He goes, well, the government is
involved. 

1374
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:16,960
They're trying to stop me. 
But he's like, whatever, you 

1375
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,120
know, it's, it's he's like, you 
know, obviously Tony has other 

1376
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,240
transgressions. 
But as far as the killing, 

1377
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,840
you're kind of thinking like, 
well, there's like the blood 

1378
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,439
Meridian element. 
It's like, well, if you want 

1379
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,760
things done, this is how they 
get done. 

1380
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,080
Do you want things done? 
You know, and, and, and you 

1381
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,720
know, if we want, if you want 
the neighborhood to stay 

1382
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,240
Italian, this is how it stays 
Italian. 

1383
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:40,040
If you want you know this to 
happen that then then this is I 

1384
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,520
know how to get from point A to 
point B. 

1385
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,800
You just might not like the the 
path we take, you know and. 

1386
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,439
He makes, he makes the point, I 
think even in that conversation,

1387
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,399
he's like, what about the 
Rockefellers and the Carnegie's 

1388
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,840
and the melons and all these 
people and they let all of us 

1389
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,640
into the country to do their 
dirty work. 

1390
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,360
And you think that they were any
better than you were than than 

1391
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,040
me? 
Yeah, You know. 

1392
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,880
Right. 
He's like, what's the what's the

1393
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,400
difference? 
They didn't get their hands 

1394
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,160
dirty. 
They had other people do it for 

1395
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,920
him. 
Everything that those robber 

1396
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,920
barons did today would be 
condemned as human rights 

1397
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,200
violations, would be condemned 
as moral violations, would be 

1398
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:19,360
condemned up and down the line 
as a travesty against human 

1399
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:24,200
dignity in many respects. 
With him, it's out in the open, 

1400
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,960
you know? 
And, yeah. 

1401
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,640
And, you know, and you even want
to take it to the point where 

1402
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,080
Tony's in his coma and he's the 
dream where he is. 

1403
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:40,960
Kevin Finnerty right and he's 
having his near death experience

1404
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,400
finally towards the end of that 
dream where he's going to what 

1405
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,280
is presented as a family 
reunion. 

1406
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,440
This this like brings tears to 
my eyes now when I. 

1407
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,040
Split. 
It's insane, yeah. 

1408
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,360
Yes. 
And you see Tony Blindetto, 

1409
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,640
Steve Buscemi. 
He is. 

1410
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,440
He's just credited in the 
episode as man. 

1411
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:07,240
And he's in, he's in a tuxedo 
and he's got a clipboard and 

1412
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,000
he's letting people into the 
party. 

1413
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:17,120
And Tony, I'm sorry, Kevin 
Finnerty, he's got a briefcase 

1414
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,600
in his hand and he's trying to 
figure out whether or not he 

1415
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,160
should go into this house where 
you can heal her beautiful music

1416
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,880
and laughter and festivities 
coming from. 

1417
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,960
And he's confused and he's, 
he's, he doesn't know what to 

1418
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,200
do. 
And Steve Buscemi keeps trying 

1419
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,000
to take the briefcase out of his
hand going You don't need that. 

1420
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,840
Just let go. 
Just let go and he can't do it. 

1421
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,200
It's brutal that whole that 
whole series. 

1422
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,800
So I I was talking about this 
with my wife that gets that kind

1423
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,920
of Kevin Finnerty, the the kind 
of Lynchian. 

1424
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,560
That's so true. 
Holy shit, that whole. 

1425
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,920
That is like a whole. 
It's almost a return, which the 

1426
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,880
returns no one, not even a 
thought at this point. 

1427
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,520
You know, like, well, it's 
probably a thought, but it's not

1428
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,240
anywhere near being done. 
The the it's, it's, it's kind of

1429
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,280
his Dougie Jones in a way. 
And when you when you, when you 

1430
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,960
think about it, he is it's Tony 
just going. 

1431
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Could I, if I did, if I did 
stuff differently, if I just did

1432
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,800
the, you know, let's say my 
dad's not Johnny Boy Soprano. 

1433
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,000
Let's say I'm from Tom Soprano 
and he owns. 

1434
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,160
What does he sell? 
Patio furniture? 

1435
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,320
His kind of. 
He smells like defense 

1436
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,320
equipment, like, you know he's. 
That's right. 

1437
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,640
Yeah, that's right. 
So he's you know, let's just say

1438
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,440
I did that. 
I you know, I went to school, I 

1439
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,840
I got a degree and I am selling.
I'm a salesman. 

1440
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,800
Yeah, yeah, I'm a salesman. 
And he and it's all these like 

1441
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,840
Kafka, like weird Kafka esque 
things happening to him, all of 

1442
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,880
these annoyances that are 
exactly the same as the things 

1443
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,440
that are happening to him as a 
mobster, maybe with different 

1444
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:54,680
kind of of stakes, but they all 
still kind of have the same 

1445
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,560
effect on him. 
And he realizes that he's like, 

1446
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,720
I was never going to be this. 
They're my role in society has 

1447
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,720
always existed. 
And there are people born to do 

1448
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,480
my role in society. 
And that's me. 

1449
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,760
That's my look at it. 
And I find those that I will say

1450
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,360
this, I think people shit on the
Kevin Finnerty dream sequence. 

1451
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,280
I think the the actual bad dream
sequences are the like boardwalk

1452
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,240
ones. 
Those ones are like like in my 

1453
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,520
opinion, the lighting yourself 
on fire on the they're OK. 

1454
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,440
I'm not saying they're bad. 
They don't they don't the kind 

1455
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:31,480
of season 2 boardwalk stuff with
the only the only one that's 

1456
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:33,520
really worth the shit is the 
talking fish. 

1457
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,560
That one is that one's great 
with the big mouth Billy Bass 

1458
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,440
very of the time episode, But 
one of those. 

1459
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,600
Yeah, the the that's the those 
are those are way more of a but 

1460
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,640
I don't consider it an offense, 
but much more of a all right, 

1461
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,440
I'm done with this kind of thing
rather than the Kevin Finnerty 

1462
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,080
thing, which you realize, like 
as you rewatch it, they don't 

1463
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,120
spend that much time on the 
Kevin Finnerty. 

1464
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,120
I thought it was a whole season.
It's really not. 

1465
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,440
It's like 2 episodes. 
Yeah, two or three episodes. 

1466
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,480
It's just the right amount of 
time and it's this constant like

1467
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,160
going to school naked style 
dreams that he's happening like.

1468
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:11,640
By a Buddhist monk you know. 
Yeah, and even they which you 

1469
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,360
think about the Buddhist monk, 
they are people who have a code,

1470
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,680
right? 
They have a code like regardless

1471
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,960
of you know, life is this it's 
that it's, you know, Daoist all 

1472
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,720
these things like you could you 
could say that, but he he they 

1473
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,200
they have this code, but even 
they kind of go fuck you. 

1474
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,160
You owe me money. 
You. 

1475
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,880
Know he's the one. 
I take him to court. 

1476
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,840
Yeah. 
Yeah, so he's like, everybody 

1477
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,800
does this shit, everybody that 
it's like this validation that 

1478
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,920
he needs. 
And then you realize after a 

1479
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,640
while he's like, I'm not ready 
to go yet. 

1480
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,520
Some guys would, some guys 
would. 

1481
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,560
Hell, my own cousin would he? 
Did you know? 

1482
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,960
So I, I love the Kevin Finnerty 
dream sequence a lot. 

1483
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,640
Let's see. 
Yeah, no, all I was going to say

1484
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,400
is, yeah. 
I mean those, you know, I think 

1485
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,160
we kind of take it for granted. 
But that blend of exploring the 

1486
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:03,120
unconscious in dream sequences, 
in blending genres in this way, 

1487
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,320
where you're taking this bizarre
surrealist stuff and you're 

1488
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,520
mashing it up with what is, on 
its surface, a mobster show. 

1489
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:16,600
Yeah, like, original strange. 
And somehow it all works. 

1490
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,320
It all works. 
It all works. 

1491
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,880
And and he, you know, you hear 
James Gandolfini's real voice, 

1492
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,360
which always is a jump scare to 
me. 

1493
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,680
Have you seen any other movies? 
Yes, I want to talk like this. 

1494
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,120
And it's like, it's this weird 
like some like true. 

1495
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,920
Romance or Get Shorty or yes. 
Sporty is where he has this 

1496
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,960
southern accent that's not very 
good. 

1497
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,080
I just watched that the other 
day. 

1498
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,680
Fun movie. 
I just it's just as you watch 

1499
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,440
him and you're just like man 
you. 

1500
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,800
I know he's this like respected 
like actors, actor, guy, but 

1501
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,520
he's really just Tony to me. 
Yeah. 

1502
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Like any movie I see him in, 
there's that Killing Him Softly,

1503
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,680
I think was was his last movie. 
I think the one with Brad Pitt. 

1504
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,320
I don't particularly like that 
movie very much, but he's in it 

1505
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,880
and it's just like, man, I don't
know. 

1506
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,680
Yeah, I think he's all right in 
that Coen Brothers Noir 1 back 

1507
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,600
in the day, the black and white 
Coen Brothers movie. 

1508
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,400
That one's pretty good. 
I forget what it's called, but 

1509
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,160
he he's good in that. 
But man, he's just Tony, man. 

1510
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,440
It's just, it's, it's the way 
Daniel Radcliffe is Harry 

1511
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:19,040
Potter. 
Like you, just like I look at 

1512
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,000
him like, Nah, I'm sorry. 
I have no interest in that, 

1513
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,720
sorry. 
You have no other roles. 

1514
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,600
Yeah, yeah. 
So you only, you only need one. 

1515
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,880
You only need one. 
Don Ham will only ever be John 

1516
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,680
will only ever be Don Draper, 
and that's all he ever needs to 

1517
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,800
be, you know? 
The funniest thing is when, 

1518
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,600
because HBO is notoriously 
cheap. 

1519
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,960
I don't know if they're still 
that way, but back in the day 

1520
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,800
they were notoriously the cheap 
network. 

1521
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:44,920
They were like, look, you have 
freedom. 

1522
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,600
You get to play like the 
character with us, you get to do

1523
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,840
all the crazy stuff. 
This is pretty A&E. 

1524
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,880
Having Breaking Bad like this is
very much like you do the things

1525
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,360
on this show, you get to go 
there, but you have to pay a 

1526
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,520
damn thing 'cause we're a 
subscription based service. 

1527
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,640
It's not cable. 
You're not Time Warner, you 

1528
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,200
know, at the time. 
And then but they weren't paying

1529
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,000
a lot of money. 
So almost after every almost 

1530
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,680
every season, the show gets more
popular, more popular. 

1531
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,560
And James Gamble thing, he's 
like, yeah, I think I should get

1532
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,640
more money. 
And they go no. 

1533
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,560
And he goes, all right, I think 
I'm done. 

1534
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:22,200
And and because the show's done,
if he's done literally, yeah. 

1535
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,560
Because it's even if Michael 
Jordan quit basketball, which he

1536
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,640
did, they still play basketball 
seasons while he was gone. 

1537
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,760
And, you know, did not have a 
network without Sopranos and 

1538
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,960
James Gandolfini, no. 
So they had they had to and and 

1539
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,720
to be fair, I guess it pushed 
back a lot of production and HBO

1540
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,960
got really cheap with this, even
season 6. 

1541
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,360
The reason season 6 has a two 
seasons is because if you called

1542
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,840
it season 7, you had to give 
actors a raise for a renewal 

1543
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,800
raise and they wouldn't do it. 
Are you serious? 

1544
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,320
FY. 
That's so fucking funny. 

1545
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,680
Yeah, so they're cheat. 
They were cheat the entire time,

1546
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,320
like with them, which is like 
this is your breadwinner 6. 

1547
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,080
I'm sorry, 6 feet under is not 
bringing this in. 

1548
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,400
Dude, I love. 
But it's it's just it's it's not

1549
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,720
bringing in this kind of sex and
the city is your winner, is your

1550
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,560
other winner. 
But these are your two. 

1551
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,360
These are your two things. 
And so, you know, I thought it 

1552
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,520
was, I thought it was really 
interesting, but he would break 

1553
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,120
off. 
He would give everybody on the 

1554
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,320
cast. 
I mean, I don't know about 

1555
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,600
everybody. 
I think it was like you would 

1556
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,840
give, not like Edie Falco 
because she had, I'm sure she 

1557
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,640
was making pretty good money on 
The Sopranos. 

1558
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,520
And relatively speaking, they're
like, you know, the guy playing 

1559
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,160
Mikey Palmichi or like these 
other guys like you like $30,000

1560
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,600
or something. 
Be like, hey, I've heard that 

1561
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,040
kind of your money temporarily. 
Yeah. 

1562
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,520
We weren't sure if I was coming 
back, you know, and, and, and 

1563
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:43,840
stuff he goes, but I'm. 
But I'm back. 

1564
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,760
So let's talk about his family. 
We don't really, we don't really

1565
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,120
talk about his family very much.
His actual nuclear family inside

1566
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,080
the house. 
Carmella I mean, I think it's my

1567
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,760
wife's favorite character of the
show. 

1568
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,080
I, I, I mean, I love her. 
It's weird. 

1569
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,560
You, I think a lot of women like
her, but there's a lot of women 

1570
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,120
that can't stand her because 
she's an enabler. 

1571
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,480
So I like I've gone back and 
forth on my Carmella opinions 

1572
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:15,440
over the years because I think 
at first you want to be 

1573
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,920
sympathetic to her. 
Your initial reaction as a man 

1574
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,800
is to be sympathetic towards 
Carmela and all of the shit that

1575
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,600
she gets put through as Tony's 
wife. 

1576
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:32,040
And subsequent viewings made me 
revise that opinion, not 

1577
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:36,680
charitably, because you realize 
that she signed up for this. 

1578
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,720
Exactly. 
She signed up for this. 

1579
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,640
She knew exactly who he was from
the minute she said I do, and 

1580
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,880
before that she knew exactly 
what she was getting into. 

1581
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:52,880
How dare you act high and mighty
and want to cause a stink after 

1582
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,200
you stepped in with both feet to
something that you were fully 

1583
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:02,200
aware of was going to be exactly
what it is now. 

1584
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,840
Sympathetic again, you know, but
but you come at it with a fully.

1585
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:12,720
You get a, a look at a character
that is fully formed, someone 

1586
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,160
who has contradictions, who has 
flaws. 

1587
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,960
And like any human being, 
there's both. 

1588
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,760
There's two sides to her 
character, and she has to deal 

1589
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,000
with that through the show. 
And she ultimately does. 

1590
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,480
You know, she reconciles to the 
fact that I married the man I 

1591
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:31,800
married. 
I married into a lifestyle I 

1592
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,440
married into, I married for 
love. 

1593
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:38,080
But it comes with caveats, and 
unless I accept them, I'm 

1594
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,160
condemned to a life of misery. 
That's beautifully said. 

1595
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,240
She, I think she's, I think 
she's a like a really good 

1596
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,720
homemaker and like it's a 
pleasant, a pleasant hang, you 

1597
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,320
know what I mean? 
Like, she seems like really fun 

1598
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,440
to be around. 
Yes. 

1599
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,160
Just like jewelry, like clinking
everywhere. 

1600
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,840
Like one of those, one of those 
women. 

1601
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,000
Like you could, you know, if 
you're a fragrance person, you 

1602
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,920
probably just figure it's like. 
Should be a great TPN. 

1603
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,320
Guest yes, yeah, well, I would 
guess Carmelo would be Edie 

1604
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,240
Falco would not be she is a but 
exactly. 

1605
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,360
And we E Falco's like couldn't 
be less of her Like she she 

1606
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,840
wears sweats all the time. 
You know, she's like I, she's 

1607
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,000
literally like, I don't cook. 
Like she's, I just don't cook 

1608
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,840
very New York, you know, like 
like, like I don't, I don't 

1609
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:24,880
cook. 
I don't want to hear. 

1610
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,520
This, which is I, I know. 
No, I told my wife I thought she

1611
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:28,400
was gonna. 
She was like, what? 

1612
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,600
I was like, yeah, no, she's 
like, not at all. 

1613
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,000
I was like, yeah. 
And then Edie Falco on Talking 

1614
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,120
Soprano says notice you don't 
see any like in the way when 

1615
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,680
when you see a music biopic, you
don't see the guy's face and the

1616
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,640
fingers playing at the same time
on the piano. 

1617
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,240
But she's like, notice I'm not 
chopping vegetables with my in 

1618
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,840
the scene. 
I'm not doing this. 

1619
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,520
And. 
But the whole time, you know, 

1620
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,840
her food is legendary, right? 
Or who's legendary and Junior 

1621
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,440
who's incredible at this one 
scene where where Janice is 

1622
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:59,200
schmoozing her way into Bobby 
Bacala after Aaron dies. 

1623
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,000
She's like, whoa, Janice brought
this best brought this lasagna 

1624
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,240
over. 
That's even better than Karen. 

1625
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:07,640
And and Junior tries it. 
He goes, no, that's my that's 

1626
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,840
my, that's my niece Carmela. 
That's that's her that's got the

1627
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,360
diced sausage on the toffee. 
Some guy knew that. 

1628
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,160
I know that they like she's 
legendary, but she gets a taste 

1629
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,840
right because she thinks she's 
she thinks she's mad that Tony 

1630
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:27,680
wants his cake to eat. 
Yeah, however she wants her cake

1631
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,960
and to eat it too. 
Her cake, however, is not 

1632
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,960
unlimited penis all the time. 
That's not her cake. 

1633
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,040
Her cake is a lavish lifestyle. 
AI mean to be honest, she wants 

1634
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,040
Johnny Sack. 
However, Johnny Sacks not as 

1635
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,400
cool as Tony. 
Like she wants a Johnny Sack 

1636
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,640
type. 
I yes, I understand what you're 

1637
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,040
saying. 
Yeah, like I don't believe that 

1638
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:47,640
she has. 
I'm not saying she has a thing 

1639
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,240
for Johnny Sack. 
I just no, no, no, I get. 

1640
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,720
What you're saying? 
A Johnny Sack person, however, 

1641
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:52,800
she'd get bored with Johnny 
Sack. 

1642
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,400
She would. 
Maybe, you know, this is the 

1643
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,480
thing too, right? 
It's, it's and this is again. 

1644
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:03,560
Another added layer of 
brilliance to The Sopranos is 

1645
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:08,160
how it lays bare how the writers
managed to lay bare the 

1646
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,480
politically incorrect truths 
that underlie power dynamics 

1647
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:15,200
between human relationships and 
men and women in particular. 

1648
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,440
Because what makes Tony 
attractive is exactly what makes

1649
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:24,560
him repulsive, dangerous and 
repulsive and unpleasant to be 

1650
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:29,840
around. 
And in any previous era, these 

1651
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,640
contradictions would have 
existed in harmony because they 

1652
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,640
would have been accepted as as 
facts of life for a man of 

1653
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,240
power, of course. 
Well, and there's and, and, and 

1654
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,440
just to talk, to her credit, 
Tony is really sloppy about his 

1655
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:47,120
things. 
But a lot, really a lot of the 

1656
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,680
time she's like, why do I find 
out about this shit? 

1657
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,120
And almost immediately, like, 
you know, she's not even, I'm 

1658
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,240
not even searching for shit, but
I find a fucking Gloria Trillo 

1659
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,560
fingernail. 
You know, it's on like in your 

1660
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:01,840
laundry, you know what I'm 
saying? 

1661
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,920
Like, like it like spills out. 
She's like, I women. 

1662
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,800
Tony, Where's Tony Live here? 
Working horror of a girlfriend 

1663
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,240
is calling my son on the phone 
Yeah and. 

1664
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,880
You fuck her sister who's kind 
of cool, you know, like. 

1665
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,480
Only has one leg. 
Yeah, Lana, who is based I like 

1666
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,360
this was. 
She was great, great. 

1667
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,840
Character, but you know, she she
they're she's like you, you 

1668
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,560
literally like and then we I 
think we even Carmela alludes to

1669
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,960
not alludes, but just like she 
fucked, he fucked like the 

1670
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,680
preschool teacher too, like of 
Meadow and AJ preschool teacher,

1671
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,600
one one of their preschool 
teachers. 

1672
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,360
And so it's kind of like she's 
like you. 

1673
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,800
I get it, but like, why can't it
just be some girl I never 

1674
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,960
fucking see? 
Yeah, why can't it like, why 

1675
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,320
does it have to be this Like you
you get it to that sense where 

1676
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,040
it's like, yeah, I get it. 
I did sign up for this. 

1677
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,960
And. 
And Tony tells her a story. 

1678
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,160
He's like, look, you loved it 
when I used to beat guys ass in 

1679
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,720
high school. 
Like you loved when I was like 

1680
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:00,480
the tough, you know, swarthy 
kind of, you know, mobster. 

1681
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,280
Yeah, yeah, you you loved it, 
you know, and she's like, well, 

1682
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,920
I was 17. 
He's like, you're not that 

1683
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,880
different now. 
He's like the problem is and and

1684
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:14,680
look, we see Carmella does have 
these things for like the father

1685
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,600
intentola. 
She loves going after this 

1686
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,200
unattainable thing that she 
knows. 

1687
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,760
She loves the square peg round 
hole situation. 

1688
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,720
She tries to will something to 
existence. 

1689
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:29,040
She tries to will the Tony 
Soprano fire and intensity out 

1690
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,440
of these men who I'm sorry, they
don't have it. 

1691
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:36,120
The principal a a JS Oh. 
Yeah, his guidance, that was his

1692
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,480
guidance. 
Counselor. 

1693
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:38,880
Yeah, I forgot who. 
That guy. 

1694
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,400
That actor, though, he's real 
famous too. 

1695
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:41,120
I forget. 
Oh yeah. 

1696
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,960
And he's in everything too. 
Everyone in these shows is and 

1697
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,920
everything. 
Big character actor guy. 

1698
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,640
Yeah, he's, she's like, you saw 
Beta, you know, basically like, 

1699
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,040
yeah, it went back to like, it's
just that the whole time, like 

1700
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,800
she's like, so she's resigned to
it. 

1701
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,760
And then she just said she her 
big breakthrough is when she 

1702
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,680
just goes, why don't I just 
become a mobster? 

1703
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:01,760
Tony? 
I want a house. 

1704
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,960
Yeah, she's like it costs. 
This property costs $600,000. 

1705
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,880
Yeah, and he's like, even Tony, 
who's like, yeah, that's a 

1706
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,280
headache, but thank God. 
Because this is a negotiation he

1707
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,400
understands. 
Yeah, OK, that duh idiot, of 

1708
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,040
course, you know, like. 
And their marriage is great 

1709
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,160
afterwards, yeah. 
Yeah, they're like pretty much 

1710
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,040
till the end, you know, for for 
the most like, like we start. 

1711
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,600
Going out on dates again, 
they're smiling at each other. 

1712
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,400
Yeah, we get the advent of sushi
in America like. 

1713
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,280
Yeah, like he's there just by 
himself at lunch, eating sushi. 

1714
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:37,080
Yeah, when it's not Pierce, 
American Psycho, like it's like 

1715
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,760
these people actually eat this 
stuff now. 

1716
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,960
It's like, oh, the sushi place, 
you went there without me. 

1717
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,480
Yeah, there's, you know, she she
buys in. 

1718
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:46,840
She finally realizes, yeah, I 
did sign up for this because 

1719
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,840
it's odd. 
Like one, one part that's like 

1720
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,560
kind of odd to me is that like 
with her parents? 

1721
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,160
Because she is Chris 
Moltisanti's cousin, right. 

1722
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:01,320
Like so so she's related to Dick
Moltisanti, I think, or 

1723
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,840
something like Mary maybe she's 
now, I can't remember that that 

1724
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,160
gets a little muddy, but I'm 
always like, man, she does not 

1725
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,480
seem like she comes from a mob 
family at all, so. 

1726
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,520
Like her, her mother and father 
are squares. 

1727
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,240
But but also Dickie Moltisanti's
in the fan. 

1728
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,600
So like she he he Tony alludes, 
he goes. 

1729
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,160
You saw all that stuff with 
Dickie Moltisanti, like, you 

1730
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:23,480
know what like this is. 
And he, he's trying to tell her 

1731
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:27,360
like you, you understand, like 
I, this is like what I do. 

1732
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,640
It's actually like bad optics if
I don't. 

1733
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,640
I mean, as lame as that sounds, 
it's probably kind of true. 

1734
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,200
They start thinking you're a 
veto spata for, you know, yeah. 

1735
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,320
He's a fag. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1736
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,360
So yeah, I love, I love, I love 
that Meadow. 

1737
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,600
Meadow's arc is incredible in 
the show. 

1738
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:51,720
Yeah, I mean, she's amazing. 
She is the reactionary politics 

1739
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,640
of the show. 
She's the most progressive out 

1740
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,680
of any of them, but she is you. 
You get to watch how like kids 

1741
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,320
grow up honestly, which they 
don't do on TV anymore by the 

1742
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,360
way. 
Kids are always right. 

1743
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,240
Like if Sopranos was made now, 
Meadow would be like the voice 

1744
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,200
of reason in the family instead 
of like shut up Lib tard. 

1745
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:08,400
Like go in your. 
That's a good point. 

1746
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,680
Yeah, like that's a good. 
Point, yeah. 

1747
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,120
Listen to her. 
She would come in, she'd go, mom

1748
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,840
and dad, stop fighting. 
What we need to do is donate the

1749
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,760
money to Black Lives Matter, you
know, like, that's like what she

1750
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,280
would do. 
And then they would go, OK, you 

1751
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,120
know, and, and that would be the
show. 

1752
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,640
That's how they write shows now.
Kids are the smartest people in 

1753
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,560
the history of the world if we 
listen to them. 

1754
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:33,280
Yeah, so. 
But Meadow is almost a Lib tard 

1755
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,400
by rebellion to her death. 
Yes. 

1756
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,640
Which is that's very much the 
case. 

1757
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,160
That happens all the time. 
That's why I always laugh when I

1758
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:40,960
see people. 
I'm going to raise my kid to be 

1759
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,920
a based Republican. 
No, your kids are going to be a 

1760
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,680
Lib tard out of. 
Exactly. 

1761
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,840
You're going to have to be able 
to weather that storm. 

1762
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,120
They will eventually come back, 
probably because they are you. 

1763
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,080
They are you in a sense. 
Like. 

1764
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,600
They're going to go through a 
phase of like, especially if you

1765
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,600
want them to go to these nice 
schools that they want Meadow to

1766
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,320
go to, they're going to become a
lip tard there. 

1767
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,240
And she wanted to go to 
Berkeley, right? 

1768
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:03,880
Oh, she wanted to go to 
Berkeley. 

1769
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,320
That was going to be crazy. 
And different Joe, at that 

1770
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,120
point, that would be it. 
So she's fucking up and the 

1771
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,840
whole time she thinks she 
doesn't need her dad. 

1772
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,400
But then when she's like, people
are overdosing at Lydia 

1773
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:21,720
Soprano's, you know, Squat 
house, who comes in and makes 

1774
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,760
sure nobody actually gets in 
trouble, talks to the cops, you 

1775
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,800
know, all these things. 
But then, you know, Dad, Dad's 

1776
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,520
not PC. 
Tony's not PC. 

1777
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:34,920
He will say things like Sambo, 
you're dating Sambo and. 

1778
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,080
Jamal Ginsberg, the Hasidic 
homeboy. 

1779
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:42,840
That killed me, Jamal. 
And to be fair, that guy sucks 

1780
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,720
ass. 
Oh, he was a twat. 

1781
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,240
He was a twat. 
A total. 

1782
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,280
Twat. 
Yeah, like is that? 

1783
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,680
It's like it's not even like 
racially aside, if he was an 

1784
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,840
Italian guy, he sucks. 
Oh yeah, he would have still 

1785
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,800
been a jerk off. 
Yeah, so funny. 

1786
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,720
Jamal Ginsburg. 
The Hasidico. 

1787
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,480
Yeah, that one, that's killer. 
Yeah, that because it's, it's, 

1788
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,200
it's a 1-2 punch too. 
It's like my daughter's dating a

1789
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:08,600
Jew, a Jew body shot. 
It's a, it's a black Jewish guy.

1790
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,640
It's like Lenny Kravitz, dude. 
You're like and and like, it's 

1791
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:14,920
just, it's all. 
It's A Knockout. 

1792
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,280
Like, what do you? 
Yeah, it's, it's. 

1793
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,240
And. 
And she eventually, after a 

1794
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,120
while, she eventually embraces 
her Italian part of her. 

1795
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,680
And there's that beautiful 
episode, which never stuck out 

1796
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,920
to me in the past, where Tony 
and Carmelo are separated. 

1797
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:34,840
But Hugh Carmelo's dad really 
wants him at the birthday party.

1798
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,320
Oh yeah, yeah, Tony shows a 
great episode. 

1799
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:42,680
But but Carmela's mom has like 
this doctor guy who she's trying

1800
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,080
to impress who never liked them,
always saw them as second class 

1801
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,320
citizens, but she always wanted 
to play up to him. 

1802
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:51,920
So if that guy was at the party,
everyone at the party needs to 

1803
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,440
be on their best behavior 
because they don't want us to 

1804
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,680
see that were these grease ball 
Italians, which to me always 

1805
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,720
looks like a really fun time, 
like all the grease ball 

1806
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:03,400
Italian, like food everywhere 
and beers and drinks and people 

1807
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,240
talking shit. 
I'm like, this is like my, I'm 

1808
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,640
not Italian at all. 
I, I was like, I'd love that. 

1809
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:13,360
I'll tell you, it is fun, yeah. 
I know he naps over here. 

1810
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,840
Yeah, yeah, he's he's from, from
the from the new from the 

1811
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,080
Florida crew. 
Yeah, he's. 

1812
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:19,960
From from New York originally 
so. 

1813
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:20,800
You are. 
Yeah, it's true. 

1814
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,800
You're Carmine. 
I mean, you're smarter, but. 

1815
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,480
I'm, I'm better looking. 
I'll take that. 

1816
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,000
You know, I don't know that's 
smarter, but you know, you're a.

1817
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:28,680
Lot smarter. 
You. 

1818
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,480
You haven't said. 
You haven't said what is it 

1819
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,520
circumstance like instead of 
circumstance instead of 

1820
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,800
circumference, you know? 
Oh yeah, he's so good. 

1821
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:42,640
Yeah, yeah, but but, you know, 
like, she, Carmela goes up to 

1822
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,640
her mom and she's like, why are 
you ashamed of what you are? 

1823
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,240
Yeah, which she was so. 
Happy that you were. 

1824
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,520
So you got married to, to Hugh, 
and you were so happy that your 

1825
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,360
last name didn't have a vowel at
the end. 

1826
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,800
That was yeah, she's. 
And she was so pissed off at 

1827
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:00,960
her. 
That's so funny. 

1828
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,960
Yeah, the vowel is such an old 
school thing. 

1829
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,880
My grandpa is a Irishman. 
Ellis Island, not, he was not 

1830
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,920
from his dad is Ellis Island, 
but 20s New York and stuff. 

1831
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,880
And he was always like, yeah, 
he's like, oh, one of those 

1832
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,080
vowel guys, you know, you're 
always fucked. 

1833
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,320
He was in like Bronx in like the
30s and 40s. 

1834
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,440
He's like, yeah, those vowel 
guys doing bullshit in the 

1835
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:21,720
streets. 
He's like, you know? 

1836
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,840
And Oh yeah, yeah, that was my 
grandfather's youth was getting 

1837
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:30,760
into fights with the Irish in. 
The city, like was it a Polish 

1838
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,720
guys? 
My grandpa would always say he'd

1839
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,760
go, yeah, their last names are 
an eye chart. 

1840
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,640
I fucking love that dude. 
Alright, rest in peace. 

1841
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,360
I love that guy. 
But yeah, he was, it was just, 

1842
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,000
it was just these old New York 
guy. 

1843
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,080
He's like, that doesn't exist in
California. 

1844
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,320
Like I'm from California. 
We have Italians here and 

1845
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,920
they're all they do, all they do
is wear like button up shirts 

1846
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,640
and sit in their backyard and 
drink wine and like they have 

1847
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,360
like a Ciao Bello sign in their 
kitchen. 

1848
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:01,800
That's it. 
That's like their Italian, maybe

1849
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,120
some Frankie Valli playing like,
oh, for like a nice thing. 

1850
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:05,840
That's it. 
They don't do the whole 

1851
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,360
tracksuit. 
We don't have that out there. 

1852
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,280
Yeah, it's not real. 
So it's like that whole all that

1853
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,720
stuff looks really fun to me. 
So when people are trying to 

1854
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,840
like, suppress them, like that 
sounds great. 

1855
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:31,960
That sounds so much better from.
The five to the six. 

1856
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,640
Meadow learns one of the best 
parts of the series is when 

1857
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,640
Meadows bike gets stolen and 
Tony just closes the fridge 

1858
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:52,560
again. 
It's just. 

1859
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,680
Looked at her and smiles. 
It's the nonverbal James 

1860
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,560
Gandolfini, just smiling. 
She goes what Dad and he's just 

1861
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:07,480
like that is insane and he 
basically does a 1354 Chan crime

1862
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:09,560
stats thing. 
So good. 

1863
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,480
Oh, and it's just, it's 
hilarious and you know, like 911

1864
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:17,600
hits and like Tony's like sad 
and he's like, but he's also 

1865
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,400
like opportunistic where he's 
like, take care of them now. 

1866
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:26,520
Like, leave us alone. 
Exactly, That's so funny it 

1867
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,080
doesn't work out in their favor 
just because the FBI winds up 

1868
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,440
loosening their the noose around
their surveillance on organized 

1869
01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:36,000
crime. 
Yeah, it reminds. 

1870
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,640
It reminds me of the Elroy. 
You've read the Underworld 

1871
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,560
trilogy, right? 
Oh God, yeah. 

1872
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:47,640
I I binged on on all of that. 
Over the RFK senior J Edgar 

1873
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:49,280
Hoover. 
Do we go after the commies or 

1874
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:50,880
the mob? 
That's what it reminds me of. 

1875
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,520
You know, like like where one's 
clearly a threat and the other, 

1876
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,960
you know, like the other, the 
other is like this known like we

1877
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,640
can. 
Hand we can contain it. 

1878
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,200
Yeah, I know those guys like 
they, they can get sloppy from 

1879
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,680
time to time, but they usually 
clean their own up a little bit 

1880
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,760
after a while. 
Like they usually, you know, 

1881
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,680
move. 
But these other guys are wild 

1882
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,120
cards, you know? 
And, and so that's like that's 

1883
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,480
kind of the whole situation in 
The Sopranos post nine. 

1884
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,440
Yeah. 
And that shows up, you know, 

1885
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:24,880
occasionally when the suspected 
terrorist side characters who 

1886
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,680
were really only there for like 
episode and episode the time. 

1887
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,800
Everyone Tony's driving and he 
just, he's driving with his new 

1888
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,040
big bald head bodyguard guy and 
he's like driving and he just 

1889
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,600
sees those two guys cross the 
streets and he's just like, Oh 

1890
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:40,400
no, yes, like what? 
And he's like, I don't know, 

1891
01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:42,520
something's up with those guys. 
And they were, I think they were

1892
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,280
just scamming. 
I think they were just scamming.

1893
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:45,520
I don't know if they were doing 
anything. 

1894
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,960
They were just, they were just 
scamming like credit card 

1895
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,600
numbers, which Tony was doing 
with like Indian guys already. 

1896
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:52,200
Yeah, oh, yeah. 
And then they all get into 

1897
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,080
gesture, they all go to they 
were doing the Indian car call 

1898
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:56,880
card scammers. 
And then and Tony gets that 

1899
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,760
awful indigestion. 
Already you didn't get it from 

1900
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,000
my scallops. 
Exactly. 

1901
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,520
Absolutely love it, God. 
He's hallucinating the beautiful

1902
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,520
dental student in Kuzumano's 
yard. 

1903
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:09,160
Yeah, that's. 
Right. 

1904
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,760
Yeah. 
But yeah, but yeah, I mean, you 

1905
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,120
know Meadow, even at the end of 
the show, right, she boomerangs 

1906
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,000
all the way back around to 
becoming like a low grade legal 

1907
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,160
aid trying to bail out mobster 
butt he's for. 

1908
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,000
She's an asset. 
Daddy's girl. 

1909
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:26,960
She was always dad like a 
daddy's girl. 

1910
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,400
She, her and her mom didn't get 
along. 

1911
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,560
Yeah, she and you see, you see 
this. 

1912
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,240
She's trying to replicate 
ultimately her relationship with

1913
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:40,360
dad, with her relationships with
Finn and everyone else that 

1914
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,480
she's with. 
And they and we, you know, Finn 

1915
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:45,280
is great. 
I got to love Finn, but Finn is 

1916
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:46,560
a pussy. 
At the end of the day. 

1917
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,920
Finn is not Tony. 
He's the principal. 

1918
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,840
It's Carmela and the principal, 
Yes. 

1919
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,640
And who you know you like. 
Because The thing is, Finn is a 

1920
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,440
guy I'd hang out with. 
Oh yeah, Finn. 

1921
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,000
We would all love Finn. 
Yeah, I'm not in this show. 

1922
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,680
He's a San Diego Padres fan. 
I'll talk about baseball. 

1923
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:09,440
You know, it's fog he's with 
with Vito coming up, brushing 

1924
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:10,840
up. 
Against him, Phineas, all the 

1925
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:11,280
time. 
He goes. 

1926
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,320
It's not, it's it's not short 
for anything. 

1927
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:14,800
I'm Finn. 
Yeah, Finn. 

1928
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,920
Yeah, remember when he's in the 
hospital and Vito gets off the 

1929
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,880
elevator and he's like, he grabs
his arm and he like sensually 

1930
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,680
traces? 
Kill dude, it's like an 

1931
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,080
incredible. 
Yeah, there's a lot of old movie

1932
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,360
references and Sopranos, like a 
lot of like, like Hollywood like

1933
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,080
which which to me, I didn't. 
I wasn't into movies the first 

1934
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,720
few times I watched it. 
So now as I've watched much more

1935
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,680
movies, I'm like there's a lot 
more references you get. 

1936
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,240
I'm not going to go into. 
It Oh yeah. 

1937
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,800
I mean, well, like Tony will 
literally quote old movies, you 

1938
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,400
know, to people as they're going
through their day, right? 

1939
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:48,400
Right. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1940
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,800
Like you'll love this because I 
wanted to talk about, we'll talk

1941
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,680
about AJ in a SEC. 
But Tony Blindetto, he does 

1942
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:57,640
deserve. 
It's great. 

1943
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,440
He's a great character, Steve, 
which you always think, like 

1944
01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:03,200
bringing in a guy like Steve 
Buscemi, you're kind of like, he

1945
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,360
sticks out too much like you 
would think. 

1946
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:09,000
But man, he blends, right. 
I mean, he, I mean, I hate to 

1947
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,560
use an Italian cooking thing, 
but he just, he's this thing you

1948
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,040
just add and it's like you 
haven't stirred the pot yet. 

1949
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,160
He's like, oh, that stuff 
sitting at the top of the pot 

1950
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,080
like that doesn't work. 
Stir it in. 

1951
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,680
Yeah, we've, we've boiled it all
down. 

1952
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,840
It's all one thing now. 
Tony's in our, Tony Blundetto's 

1953
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,640
in there when he first gets out.
And Tony said. 

1954
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,560
I knew I thought of you, 
actually, even though we weren't

1955
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:32,360
doing this, we we had. 
I have no idea why you'd think 

1956
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,760
of me during this particular 
thing that I think you're aiming

1957
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:35,760
at here, Glen. 
It's. 

1958
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,280
Obvious why I would think of you
because when Tony gets out, it's

1959
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,800
been a long time. 
Tony Blindetto gets out because 

1960
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,040
we we learned that Tony 
Blindetto basically was at a a 

1961
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:50,120
crime scene that Tony Soprano 
was supposed to be at. 

1962
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,480
He says he had an excuse for why
he wasn't there. 

1963
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,000
He was sick. 
He actually had a panic attack 

1964
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,480
about his mom. 
Big reveal. 

1965
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:58,880
Tony should have gone to jail. 
Tony Soprano should have gone to

1966
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,720
jail about as long as Tony 
Blindetto kind of and their 

1967
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,920
cousins. 
Well, Tony Blindetto gets out 

1968
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:06,960
and Tony Soprano goes, hey, I 
got you a suit. 

1969
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:12,600
And Tony Blindetto is like, no, 
I got my old one. 

1970
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,440
It's fine. 
It still fits and it's straight 

1971
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:19,640
up Don Johnson Miami. 
It's straight up Don Johnson, 

1972
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:23,000
Miami Vice suit and Artie, as 
soon as they walk into the suit,

1973
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,160
you should welcome home. 
He goes, oh, where's Tubs? 

1974
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,720
As soon as he walks in, it kills
me. 

1975
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:30,440
And I didn't get that reference 
when I was a kid. 

1976
01:39:30,440 --> 01:39:33,040
I didn't watch my so yeah, he's 
got the roll. 

1977
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,280
It's the you would know the the 
turns better than me. 

1978
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,880
It's the suit with the white 
with the teal undershirt. 

1979
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,520
It's like it might have even 
been a salmon undershirt with. 

1980
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,120
He's got his sleeves pushed up 
on over his elbows. 

1981
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,400
And Todd Johnson, that's the, 
that's when he got locked up is 

1982
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,080
like. 
During like 1986. 

1983
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,640
Yeah, just the thing was 
probably swagged out back then, 

1984
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:51,240
like. 
You know I. 

1985
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:55,080
Mean, I think it still looks 
cool, but like it's it's it's 

1986
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,760
just funny like. 
Everything swings back around. 

1987
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,920
Oh man, you're absolutely right.
Steve Buscemi, just because he 

1988
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,320
looks the way that he looks and 
because we all have these 

1989
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:08,840
associations of him from 
everything he's been in, he's 

1990
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,160
great. 
He's great in the show. 

1991
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:14,000
Did you see this is kind of a 
tangent, but it is related 

1992
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,520
because it's a lot of the same 
characters. 

1993
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,440
Did you ever watch Boardwalk 
Empire? 

1994
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:19,600
I did. 
I I didn't care for it that 

1995
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,320
much. 
OK, but I did watch it. 

1996
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,840
But. 
But just like I bring that up 

1997
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,120
just to say that he can play it 
a really solid gangster, you 

1998
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:34,480
know, and he could play an 
intimidating character when he 

1999
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:37,000
needs to. 
Yeah. 

2000
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,120
Oh, Fargo, yeah, yeah, Fargo 
too. 

2001
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,960
I mean, he, he, no, he, he has 
a, he has a like, he has an 

2002
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:49,600
ability to be like, I'm a retard
in an Adam Sandler movie or I'm 

2003
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,200
pushing somebody into a wood. 
Shepherd. 

2004
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,040
Yes. 
He can do it and like his 

2005
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,600
phenotype, his physiognomy, 
whatever term people want to 

2006
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,200
use. 
Like he he, it works for both. 

2007
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:05,160
And his character is Dustin 
Hoffman from straight time. 

2008
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:07,640
I don't know if you've seen that
film. 

2009
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,800
I haven't, no. 
Watch it immediately. 

2010
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,000
It's it's a it's a classic. 
It is a underrated Dustin 

2011
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,280
Hoffman film. 
I won't smell the movie for you,

2012
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:20,840
but it's Tony Blondetto, 
basically guy trying to go 

2013
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:21,960
straight. 
Never mind. 

2014
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,960
I'm a spaz fucking. 
I'm a spaz out on everybody, you

2015
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,960
know, like like that's the the 
the the theme of it and pretty 

2016
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:32,440
pretty much to AD that I think 
about it, yes, children, that's 

2017
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,680
a bit different. 
He has like 2 kids that they 

2018
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:35,920
smuggled sperm out. 
So funny. 

2019
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:37,200
Yeah, it's really funny. 
It's. 

2020
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:42,760
Really funny, but he wants to 
give people massages and. 

2021
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,920
Stuff I love. 
I love the fact that he's so 

2022
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,800
earnest and everyone takes him 
seriously. 

2023
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,760
Isn't he massaging Veto too, 
isn't? 

2024
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,040
That yeah, yeah, he's, he's 
doing everyone in the back of 

2025
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,520
such real. 
He's got his massage. 

2026
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,600
It's funny. 
That it's Vito. 

2027
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,240
Vito's probably like, yeah, of 
course. 

2028
01:41:55,360 --> 01:42:00,600
Obviously me first, you know. 
And and he's so he's so serious 

2029
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,240
about like, I'm going to go 
straight tone. 

2030
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:03,680
I've been out of the game for a 
long time. 

2031
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:05,640
I want to be a nurse. 
I want to be a registered 

2032
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:07,720
massage that and nobody takes 
him seriously. 

2033
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:11,120
But Tony's like, all right. 
And he gets in this job with 

2034
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:17,600
this, with Kim, the Korean guy. 
We make the big success journey 

2035
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,080
I love. 
I love that guy. 

2036
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:21,760
And he does. 
He gets into a fight with him at

2037
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,320
the massage parlor. 
He's going to stake him out. 

2038
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:26,840
And he's doing he's, he's doing 
Taekwondo at him and he punches 

2039
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,000
him out. 
I felt so bad for him, too. 

2040
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,920
The the Asian guy. 
I was like, God, he really 

2041
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,360
didn't deserve to die. 
That's so bad. 

2042
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,160
He was like the waiter. 
He was very similar to the 

2043
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,320
waiter that Paulie and Chris 
kill when they're on the outs 

2044
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,560
with each other, when Chris is 
is saddled with all the checks. 

2045
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:43,840
Yeah, and can't pay for the 
stuff because he's still wait. 

2046
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,600
Like, you know, it's like $2000 
dinners every night and stuff. 

2047
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,000
And he and he and he stiffs the 
guy on the way on the bill. 

2048
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,520
You're like, God, I felt so bad.
Like there's certain there's 

2049
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,160
some like one off kills that are
like, Oh no. 

2050
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,040
Stripper, I think stands out as 
probably the the most egregious 

2051
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,160
example. 
Ralph the stripper, Ralphie the 

2052
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:05,280
one. 
That Ralphie is Tracy. 

2053
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:06,960
Yeah. 
Ralphie. 

2054
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,520
Gosh. 
But yeah, that brings us to 

2055
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,160
Let's talk about you. 
You don't have. 

2056
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:13,960
Are you short on time? 
I'm good. 

2057
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:19,080
We can keep going, yeah. 
Wow yeah exactly because a JAJ 

2058
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,880
is like David Chase is famous 
for talking about AJ as as a 

2059
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,720
stand in for him. 
That's interesting. 

2060
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,680
As a child, I think Tony is him 
as an adult in terms of his mom 

2061
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,880
relationship and the mom 
dominating every aspect of life,

2062
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,280
every decision made. 
The villain that he can't beat. 

2063
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,280
Even if Phil Leotardo's 
breathing down his neck, you 

2064
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,280
know, Livia Sopranos actually 
there much the specter of her is

2065
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,080
much more powerful than the Phil
Leotardo. 

2066
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,240
But he said AJ is like was me 
because I was a little punk ass 

2067
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:53,880
skit and AJ is a punk. 
And it's funny how Tony really 

2068
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,720
doesn't kick his ass that much. 
He legitimately loves him. 

2069
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,000
He should beat his ass way more 
and he doesn't. 

2070
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,000
Yeah, he he never does. 
And AJ is? 

2071
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,440
I think he pushes him against 
the wall one time, like, like, 

2072
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,560
like really one time. 
And it's when he's living with 

2073
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,600
Tony on the separation. 
Yes, he push it against his 

2074
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:11,560
thing. 
Like, you want to be fucking 

2075
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,120
tough with me? 
Like, yeah, you know, like, 

2076
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:16,160
like, yeah, he's. 
Like you want to fight? 

2077
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:17,720
Well, let's go. 
Yeah, he throws me. 

2078
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:19,920
He throws material in the sink. 
Beat the shit. 

2079
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:24,080
Out of the AJ, Robert Isler's 
like 5-3. 

2080
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:26,720
Is he really? 
Oh, he's tiny. 

2081
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:28,360
He's an Irishman. 
He's like a leprechaun. 

2082
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:33,320
Oh my God, yeah, this makes me 
like him even less because he 

2083
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:35,240
looks exactly the same now, so I
you know. 

2084
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:38,560
Immediately I know and he's he. 
I listened to an episode. 

2085
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,800
That's the one Vincent Kiritola 
went on, was their show. 

2086
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:44,720
And bless Jamie Lynn Sigley's 
heart. 

2087
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,960
She's got Ms. So she's trying 
her best and everything. 

2088
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,400
And she she seems like a nice 
girl. 

2089
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:53,280
She's an Israeli, I think like a
Jewish girl, I think OK and 

2090
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,960
Siegler, I think that's a that's
a Jewish last name. 

2091
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,040
But she and so the kids are it's
funny. 

2092
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,880
The kid actors are not Italian. 
At all, I wonder. 

2093
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,040
I wonder if they're half and 
half because everyone on the 

2094
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,160
show seems to even like the cast
and the crew. 

2095
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,600
You they've all got. 
They're all like Paisons. 

2096
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:08,720
They've all got. 
A lot of them. 

2097
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,160
Are in their names, yeah. 
There's a shit ton of them. 

2098
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:15,120
Like, like you're like, wow, 
they really went to the, you 

2099
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:16,840
know, I love it. 
Yeah, I know. 

2100
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:18,800
I mean. 
Well, yeah, I mean David Chase. 

2101
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,800
David Chase, you know, Chase is,
but he's, he's Italian, you 

2102
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,240
know. 
Yeah, and I thought he was 

2103
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,400
Jewish this whole time. 
He looks like a Jewish guy. 

2104
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:29,080
Like I I just really did. 
But yeah, AJ is just, he's just 

2105
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,400
a punk. 
And there's many times where you

2106
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,640
think he's going to become Tony.
Like there's so many like, 

2107
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,640
edging moments where you think 
like AJ is going to just flip 

2108
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,400
that switch, even though you 
don't necessarily like like 

2109
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:43,920
that. 
The viewer doesn't necessarily 

2110
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:45,680
like, oh, I want him to become a
killer mobster. 

2111
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:47,440
You don't, but you want him to 
become alpha. 

2112
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,240
Yeah, at least try. 
And there's so many times where,

2113
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:53,000
like he almost does it, but then
he weasels out of the way. 

2114
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,640
Just this is such a weasel. 
He's got no fun. 

2115
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:59,760
He he's, he's just has no 
character and no joy. 

2116
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,560
And I mean, this becomes a plot 
point because Tony feels so 

2117
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,400
tremendously guilty because he's
like, he's got my dirty rotten 

2118
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:11,280
fucking jeans, you know? 
But I don't he's he's just kind 

2119
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:14,040
of an irredeemable character. 
He's terrible. 

2120
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:19,320
And he bumbles along because his
parents love him. 

2121
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:23,280
Tony, who has 0 tolerance for 
anyone else's issues within 

2122
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:29,680
reason, has these blind spots 
towards Chris and towards his 

2123
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,760
son. 
His actual son, you know. 

2124
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,360
Yeah. 
And, and at least with AJ, 

2125
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,800
there's not going to be like 
business consequences with him 

2126
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,920
having a blind spot. 
With Chris, it's really bad 

2127
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:44,840
because it's like, Tone, if I 
did that, I'd be in a dumpster. 

2128
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,920
Yeah. 
You know, like so many times. 

2129
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,280
Which is true, right? 
Like it is true with AJ, it's 

2130
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,840
like this, like Tony doesn't 
want him to be a mobster, but 

2131
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,480
he's like, can you be a fucking 
man? 

2132
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:58,880
Like, you know what I mean? 
Like, like backbone. 

2133
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,040
Yeah. 
Why are the two, why are the two

2134
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:04,240
modes? 
Why are the 2 outcomes gigantic 

2135
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:06,600
pussy or Jackie Apriel Junior 
with you? 

2136
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,200
You know, like because Jackie 
Apriel is just this. 

2137
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:13,000
I mean, you talk about like 
there's a lot of the sons are 

2138
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,160
just like apple rolling far away
from the tree, right? 

2139
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,400
Yeah, make like a lot of the 
sons in here. 

2140
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,400
There's not a lot of I mean, you
even talk about the Parisi kid. 

2141
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,800
He's like a nice lawyer kid, you
know, and he, you know, he runs 

2142
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:26,880
numbers here and there, but I 
think you you get the feeling he

2143
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,200
was going to grow out of that 
merry Meadow and have children, 

2144
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,520
you know, like that. 
That's, that's the where a lot 

2145
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:35,360
of these a lot of these 
character sons are and they 

2146
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,640
don't want this for their sons. 
Yeah. 

2147
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,640
But they're also kind of like, 
can you feel a little like me 

2148
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,440
though? 
Like just a just like, like you 

2149
01:47:42,440 --> 01:47:45,920
don't got to kill a guy that 
that's, that's, you know, you 

2150
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,200
know, 250K in the hole out of a 
poker game. 

2151
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:49,880
Like I don't need you to do 
that, right. 

2152
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:53,080
But can you conduct yourself as 
though you would? 

2153
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,600
Act like a man you know it's. 
Right. 

2154
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:59,680
Like it is tough like tis you're
like, well, if I push them too 

2155
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:03,760
far in One Direction, like he's 
going to die like he's going to 

2156
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,200
he's going to do something 
weird. 

2157
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,720
He's and AJ is hanging out with 
Paul Dano. 

2158
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,320
Yes, that's. 
Right. 

2159
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,320
The whole time and that and AJ 
is covering the bill for 

2160
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,480
everything and stuff, yeah. 
He's a blocker. 

2161
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,240
Kids in New York City, Yeah. 
He's a fucking mark. 

2162
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,120
He's a mark for that Dominican 
girl. 

2163
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:21,000
Yeah. 
Oh. 

2164
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:23,800
Man. 
He's a mark for her. 

2165
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,600
It's like literally gets pussy 
once. 

2166
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,480
And even his other girlfriend 
who's a rich girl, right? 

2167
01:48:29,480 --> 01:48:32,720
Like a real rich girl, Devin. 
Yeah, who has the Picasso's in 

2168
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:34,560
her living room, you know? 
I know. 

2169
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,880
Remember though, like they, they
asked if it was a print or 

2170
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:37,960
something. 
Yeah, like, no. 

2171
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,040
What's the real thing? 
And then AJ gets all 

2172
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,600
insecurities, like, I don't have
money like this. 

2173
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,080
Yeah, real. 
Money like I, I, I it's not, 

2174
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,560
it's not ghetto fabulous. 
It's fabulous, yeah. 

2175
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:51,040
So good. 
I mean, yeah. 

2176
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:54,280
And that's so true that that 
line that they all walk, I mean,

2177
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,560
you know, Pussy Bump and Sierra,
right? 

2178
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,120
His kid. 
Yeah, exactly. 

2179
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:02,080
He's trying to put his his kids 
through school, you know, Jean 

2180
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,000
Pontecorvo, his kids doing 
heroin. 

2181
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,880
He wants him, but he wants 
better life for him. 

2182
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:11,120
All these characters want a 
better life that is not within 

2183
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:15,400
the business for their children.
They, you know, they're all like

2184
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:20,960
these bizarre, Uber violent blue
collar workers who don't want 

2185
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,480
their who don't want their kids 
to break rocks for a living, you

2186
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:31,320
know, and Meadow is kind of the 
only one who has the same, who 

2187
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:36,640
has the same instant roaring 
behind her eyes that Tony does. 

2188
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:38,960
And he looks at her one night 
and he's like, you're like me. 

2189
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,800
Nothing gets by you. 
It's true. 

2190
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:44,560
They are. 
And you know, like it's it's 

2191
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,880
absolutely true. 
And I it's like the Meadow arc 

2192
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,600
is like, you know, and I, you 
hear these touching stories of 

2193
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,240
when she, you know, Jamie Lynn 
Siegler got diagnosed with Ms. 

2194
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:55,480
like during the show, like she 
when she was a kid and, you 

2195
01:49:55,480 --> 01:49:58,240
know, basically a young girl, 
she got diagnosed with it. 

2196
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,880
And, you know, I guess before a 
scene, they're sitting in the 

2197
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:05,080
chairs and, and Gandolfini looks
at her and he's like, what's 

2198
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,680
wrong? 
And she's like, Nah, I don't 

2199
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:09,960
want to talk about it. 
He's like, come on. 

2200
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,160
She tells them he's like, man, 
you know, like any. 

2201
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,960
But it's like, it's just this 
like kind of, you know, she 

2202
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:18,600
talks about it in a way like 
it's just, that's really not. 

2203
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:19,960
I mean, I get sad thinking about
it. 

2204
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:23,360
Like, it's just like, man, like 
a girl who is, I kind of think 

2205
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,240
you're getting a death sentence 
at that point, like a young 

2206
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:27,720
girl, right? 
Like a top of her career. 

2207
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,280
And he's just there like, hey, 
we'll get through it. 

2208
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,000
It's totally Tony. 
We'll get through it. 

2209
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,600
We'll do it. 
It'll be fine. 

2210
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:36,920
Even like Tony does that to 
people. 

2211
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,680
He's going to kill. 
We'll get through this. 

2212
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:43,320
It's going to be OK. 
Matthew Bevilacqua Do you want a

2213
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:44,920
Coke? 
You sure you don't want? 

2214
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:46,840
You sure you want a Diet Coke? 
You sure you don't? 

2215
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:49,520
Want this be the last fucking 
thing you ever drink? 

2216
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,000
Oh man, that's a great scene. 
But you know, like like with 

2217
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,880
Adrienne too, with Tony, that's 
a that's another one that's 

2218
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:00,400
great, the dichotomy, because 
Chris is like the true son, the 

2219
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,440
true heir, but the true heir is 
a junkie, right? 

2220
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,320
He's not, He's he's marriage 
related, not blood related, but 

2221
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,800
marriage relation does seem to 
matter in the family. 

2222
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:11,800
Like it does seem to work in a 
way. 

2223
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:17,360
And he, you know, Chris, when, 
when Tony's like kind of close 

2224
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,360
to fucking Adrienne, like he's, 
he's, he's pretty close. 

2225
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:21,960
Like it? 
It would have happened if 

2226
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:23,520
someone hadn't walked through. 
Yeah, it would have happened. 

2227
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:24,960
And they get in the car accident
together. 

2228
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,320
I have a feeling that was going 
to happen, yes, you know. 

2229
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:29,560
It would have. 
It would have only ended up one 

2230
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,200
way. 
Would have only ended up one 

2231
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:35,880
way, but he basically like Tony 
has this like final boss 

2232
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,280
mentality where it's like 
actually everything runs through

2233
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:41,640
me, including your marriage. 
I can fuck her if I want to and 

2234
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,520
guess what? 
We're going to kill her too like

2235
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,760
it's kind of crazy like it's 
it's that that part's kind of 

2236
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:50,720
crazy when they when they give 
her up. 

2237
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:52,640
I mean it it is the review of 
all reveal. 

2238
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,480
I mean it's the it's Silvio 
right. 

2239
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:55,680
I should have said that it's a 
good time. 

2240
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:57,560
Silvio freaks out. 
He doesn't freak out. 

2241
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,480
It's all planned, but you know 
like he's driving. 

2242
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:03,360
Oh, Chrissy's all right. 
He's they send Silvio because 

2243
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,800
he's. 
No one, no one would expect him.

2244
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:08,920
Exactly. 
Tony's cunning. 

2245
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,040
He's a smart guy. 
He knows. 

2246
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:12,640
He knows. 
He knows his roster really well.

2247
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:14,640
He's a coach. 
He's like, he's John Madden to 

2248
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,280
me. 
Like he's just this big, like 

2249
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:21,520
SWAT, like Big Swarthy. 
Even even, you know, even when 

2250
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:25,720
he's dreaming about his former 
coach in high school and the 

2251
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:29,760
coach was, you know, one of the 
themes that ran through the that

2252
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:34,240
comes up is the coach was saying
that I believe you could be a 

2253
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:36,000
leader. 
I believe in you. 

2254
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:38,200
And Pony doesn't hear it that 
way. 

2255
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,080
He's like, this guy's just 
trying to butter me up. 

2256
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,960
He's just trying to kiss my ass 
to get me to do what he wants me

2257
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,280
to do. 
And then and then. 

2258
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:49,480
Exactly what he becomes. 
That that's a great segue into 

2259
01:52:49,480 --> 01:52:54,280
junior soprano because my dad's 
all time favorite line from 

2260
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:59,160
Sopranos were sports family. 
You were never a varsity 

2261
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:03,680
athlete, never had the makings 
for a varsity athlete, which 

2262
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,760
that's that is a complete foil 
with the coach. 

2263
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:10,640
Yep, which you think of Lou 
Reed, Coney Island baby, a 

2264
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:12,720
little bit like just this kind 
of like football. 

2265
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:17,160
Football was my normie thing, 
you know, it was my even barone 

2266
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,360
Sanitation's mobbed up, mobbed 
up, mobbed football. 

2267
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:21,960
Was this like, you know, when he
sees Eric Mangini, the coach of 

2268
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,520
The Jets at the at the place, he
gets all excited. 

2269
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:26,880
They're Italian coach of The 
Jets. 

2270
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:30,520
Oh my gosh, you know, like this,
this this like football was this

2271
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:32,040
pure thing a JS playing 
football. 

2272
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:33,760
It's the one time he's proud of 
AJ. 

2273
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:37,240
You know, it's it's you know, 
people laugh at stuff like that,

2274
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,240
but it's kind of true. 
It's I don't want to paint a bad

2275
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:42,560
picture of my dad because my 
dad's my like, I love, like 

2276
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,600
we're, we, I'm just saying I've 
loved sports since birth. 

2277
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:50,280
Thank God, You know what I'm 
saying? 

2278
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:53,280
Like, like he's a sports guy. 
Like it's what we talk about 

2279
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:57,040
when we talk. 
It's, it's the, it's the copper 

2280
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,160
wire that's connecting us to, 
you know what I mean? 

2281
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,960
The, the conduit in a, in a 
sense, like like that. 

2282
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:04,600
We always have. 
Obviously he loves me. 

2283
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:06,120
Obviously I love him, but like, 
there's this. 

2284
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:09,200
But AJ has no interest in that. 
He doesn't want to watch the 

2285
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,200
fucking jet game. 
You know, he does sometimes. 

2286
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,040
And then he's like, I'm going to
go hang out with Devin. 

2287
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,280
I'm going to go do this and 
that. 

2288
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,240
Like like well. 
He he, you know, he makes an 

2289
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:21,040
honest effort with the football,
but then when responsibility 

2290
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,560
gets placed on his shoulders, he
has a panic attack on the field 

2291
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,320
and he passes out. 
I know, which is also another 

2292
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:30,320
sad thing. 
I don't have kids, but the, you 

2293
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:34,920
know, seeing your flaws, Yeah, 
in a kid, it's got to be rough. 

2294
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,000
Where you're like, fuck, he got 
that too. 

2295
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,240
Fuck. 
Well again, I mean he literally 

2296
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,760
says this kid has got my rotten 
fucking jeans. 

2297
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:45,320
Sopranos curse, yeah. 
Yeah, he does say that. 

2298
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,520
But junior, man, I mean, we got 
to give Junior his time. 

2299
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:55,400
Junior is so junior. 
Like if you were to, if you were

2300
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,120
to like have a clipboard and 
grade him like a teacher, he 

2301
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,080
sucks, right? 
Like he's like, you kind of 

2302
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,400
suck. 
But he's fucking awesome, 

2303
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:06,440
though. 
I mean, the comedic timing of 

2304
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:10,480
Dominic Chienice is like you get
you figure you're trying to like

2305
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:14,000
keep your show afloat. 
You know, if you're David Chase 

2306
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:18,760
and you can blunder so many 
great lines in in Dominic 

2307
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:23,400
Chienice and and just the like, 
like the old girlfriends. 

2308
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:28,040
I mean the the scene where Tony 
goes sees his his dad's old 

2309
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,440
gumar. 
Oh my God, yes. 

2310
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:34,920
And she's and and and Junior 
goes, oh, the legs on her. 

2311
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:39,640
I I wish, I, I wish I had the 
guts, Yep, to talk to her or 

2312
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,280
something. 
And she goes, yeah, he stalked 

2313
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:42,080
me. 
He was a yeah, he was. 

2314
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,960
He was calling me at weird hours
and he was hanging around 

2315
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:46,160
outside my window. 
Yeah, she was. 

2316
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:52,040
Like blowing JFK A2 minute. 
Now I read James Eldroy, I can 

2317
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:54,320
never think of JFK in the same 
way ever again. 

2318
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,040
It's forever tarnished in my 
mind. 

2319
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,760
Yeah, You want to talk about 
true right wing fiction? 

2320
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,720
Yeah. 
Masterpiece. 

2321
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:04,960
Masterpiece. 
Yeah. 

2322
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:06,800
You got to read Libra, by the 
way. 

2323
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,600
I'm not. 
It's, it's the same. 

2324
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:09,920
I don't think you'll like it as 
much. 

2325
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,000
I'm not going to say it's 
better, but it's a good. 

2326
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:14,480
I want it. 
I'm glad I read both. 

2327
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,640
You know, that's the way I think
about it. 

2328
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:19,480
But yeah, for the LILO. 
But yeah, the the. 

2329
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,840
Yeah, Junior is, you know, 
Junior is kind of a Poly in a 

2330
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,960
way, when you think about it. 
No wife, no kids, kind of no 

2331
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:33,040
reason to no reason to progress.
It's appointed boss after Jackie

2332
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:38,720
Apriel dies in Season 1. 
Side note, Jackie Abreel, what 

2333
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:40,480
is the actor's name? 
He's actually good. 

2334
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:45,680
He's he's in a lot of things. 
Gosh, I can't remember something

2335
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:49,560
Italian guy. 
He he's in a lot of a lot of 

2336
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:53,040
movies, but he was read for Tony
Soprano and he had lost three 

2337
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,920
other parts to James Gandolfini.
Michael Rispoli. 

2338
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:59,040
Michael Rispoli, Thank you. 
Knew it ended in a vowel. 

2339
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:03,520
Nobody. 
Yes, yeah, he, he his interview 

2340
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:05,480
on Talking Sopranos is 
fantastic, by the way. 

2341
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:09,360
He, he's, he's same voice. 
He's just, he's just Jackie real

2342
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:10,160
great. 
You're great. 

2343
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,040
You're just a bro, you know, 
like, and he, he had lost three 

2344
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:15,880
parts to James Gandolfini 
already. 

2345
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,080
Oh, that's got to be painful. 
So he knows, like, all right, I 

2346
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,000
think I might get this. 
And then he's like James 

2347
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:22,440
Gandolfini. 
He's like fuck. 

2348
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,440
I mean, was it that much better 
of a reading? 

2349
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,720
I that's The thing is what it 
couldn't have been because they 

2350
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:30,760
gave you a character. 
That's The thing is like I bet 

2351
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,880
you a lot of people stood out. 
They just weren't the character 

2352
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:35,800
and it sucks on TV, especially 
on mob show. 

2353
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:39,320
It's like, OK, I appreciate you 
saying that I'm good enough to 

2354
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,000
stay on show. 
You might kill me in 2 episodes.

2355
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:45,280
This is true. 
Which, yeah, Jackie doesn't die 

2356
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:46,800
by the bullet. 
That's cancer. 

2357
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,400
Yeah, I mean, he's one of the 
few characters with a, you know,

2358
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,800
who dies in bed as opposed to 
violently so. 

2359
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:56,560
Which is it's like more brutal 
to all the people to watch. 

2360
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,680
It's like they when people get 
gunned down, they're like. 

2361
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:01,520
I get it. 
What are you going to do 

2362
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:03,400
exactly? 
Cancer. 

2363
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:05,720
They're always like, how? 
How could this happen? 

2364
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:09,800
Yeah, I mean, I know that's a 
GIF when Chris gets shot the how

2365
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:13,040
could this happen? 
But that's it's just it's funny.

2366
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:16,880
But Junior Soprano is like a 
Paulie in a sense. 

2367
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:19,800
And him and Paulie are so alike 
when you think about it. 

2368
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:23,120
They're both very funny. 
Both have the one liners. 

2369
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:24,400
I mean, Junior is in another 
league. 

2370
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,600
I mean, he is easily the 
funniest person in the show. 

2371
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,560
I mean, it's, it's, it's 
actually really sad when he gets

2372
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:31,680
Alzheimer's because you know 
you're not going to get anything

2373
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,800
funny out of it. 
Anymore becomes pathetic, yeah. 

2374
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:36,640
It's not funny. 
You're like, wow, there's no 

2375
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,000
more comedy with with Junior. 
And when he has no teeth at the 

2376
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:41,560
end you're like. 
It's too real. 

2377
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:45,160
It's like, oh, I've seen this. 
Because with Polly, I was like, 

2378
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:48,040
fucking kill him this last time.
I was like, I was like, I wish 

2379
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:51,280
you just splattered his brains 
on the wall on the Tony Napoleon

2380
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,880
picture. 
Like, like literally. 

2381
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:55,960
That would have been an 
interesting ending, yeah. 

2382
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:58,800
I'm glad it didn't and just my 
emotions, you know, they were 

2383
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,920
there with Junior. 
You're like, I still love this 

2384
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,200
guy. 
I still love him. 

2385
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:08,440
He's so funny. 
He's so fucking funny. 

2386
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:11,400
I mean the by him and Bobby, 
it's it is just like they could 

2387
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:14,400
have had a radio show together. 
Oh, yeah, The two, yeah. 

2388
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,160
I mean, that's that their 
interaction. 

2389
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:18,920
That is comedy. 
Mutt and Jeff, you know. 

2390
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,840
The garbage disposal thing is. 
Hands stuck on the garbage 

2391
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:27,040
disposal. 
Yeah, it's it's hysterical. 

2392
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:31,400
I mean, like, like Bobby is so. 
And what Dominic Shanice's 

2393
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:34,280
advice to Bob? 
Stephen Sherpa, by the way, was 

2394
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:36,840
really funny. 
He said use your gut. 

2395
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:38,680
And he's like, literally use 
your gut. 

2396
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:42,040
Your gut is funny. 
You're fat, basically. 

2397
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,800
Like you're a fat guy in comedy.
It's automatically funny. 

2398
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:47,160
Whatever you say. 
Jonah Hill is a testament. 

2399
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:48,640
Jonah Hill loses weight. 
He's not funny. 

2400
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:53,720
And this is bizarrely true. 
And it's so true for Bobby 

2401
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:54,440
Bacala. 
Yeah. 

2402
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:57,080
Can. 
You imagine if Chris Farley went

2403
01:59:57,080 --> 01:59:59,760
on Ozempic. 
Wouldn't it worked? 

2404
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:01,080
Terrible. 
Wouldn't work. 

2405
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:03,160
Yeah. 
I mean, if Bobby Bacala shows up

2406
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:07,880
to save Paulie and Chris from 
the Pine Barrens and he's in the

2407
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:12,640
camouflage, but he doesn't have 
this enormous gut through the 

2408
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,520
orange vest, it would not work. 
It would not be funny. 

2409
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:19,720
The fact that he rolls up like 
Santa Claus with his Elmer Fudd 

2410
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:22,520
hat. 
So good. 

2411
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:24,640
Yeah, I know. 
So, yeah, you have. 

2412
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:28,040
But yeah, Junior, I mean, he's 
a, he's a tragic case, but you 

2413
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:29,240
know, it's going to end that 
way. 

2414
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:34,800
But again, you instead of the 
quick death that a lot of people

2415
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,640
get as a mercy thing, Junior 
dies a slow, a slow, slow, slow 

2416
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:42,720
death. 
You know, like Michelle Welbeck 

2417
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:46,320
in his novels, if somebody is 
perfect, they get the golden 

2418
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:50,160
retriever treatment. 
That where they die way too 

2419
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:53,160
soon, right? 
And junior's not perfect, but I 

2420
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:55,480
just mean when somebody is not 
liked. 

2421
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,160
Right. 
They die of like horrible 

2422
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,600
stomach cancer where their ass 
is like replaced everything. 

2423
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,560
'S say their ants rots out. 
Yeah, exactly. 

2424
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:04,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Just it's just like, you know, 

2425
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:07,880
it's, it's this, it's this thing
and, and, and, and, you know, 

2426
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:10,240
it's sad because Tony's like, 
fuck him, he's dead to me. 

2427
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:12,680
But you know, in the back of his
mind, every time it's like, I 

2428
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:13,680
wonder how he's doing. 
Oh, he. 

2429
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:15,800
Still loves him, yeah. 
Of course. 

2430
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:18,080
He loves him. 
Dad's brother, they play catch 

2431
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:22,440
as a kid, They play catch as a 
kid, and those vaccines are 

2432
02:01:22,440 --> 02:01:27,600
awesome with that. 
So let's talk Janice. 

2433
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:30,320
Janice is a big deal. 
Janice is a big deal. 

2434
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:33,560
I will say this, I think Janice 
would like RC. 

2435
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:34,960
That's the sad part about 
Janice. 

2436
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:37,840
She would be, she would be, oh, 
you know what she would fit in 

2437
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:41,480
because she would be a 
California crunchy granola mom 

2438
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:44,720
anti vaxxer who would get into 
all of this through for like the

2439
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:48,680
the wrong reasons and still wind
up being directionally correct 

2440
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:49,240
and. 
Then but then. 

2441
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:52,440
But then lip parting out super 
hard over like, yeah. 

2442
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:55,440
No, she would go nuts over 
Epstein, I think. 

2443
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:56,960
Yeah. 
Me too, just like just like 

2444
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:01,000
yeah, any any sort of sex panic 
yes, you know like it like that 

2445
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,560
and then you'd be like, damn it,
I'm unsubscribing from your sub 

2446
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:07,320
stack yes Soprano. 
Janice the panic and yeah. 

2447
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:11,680
Yeah, I loved your, I loved your
COVID protocol, but I didn't 

2448
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,840
like your consequent article 
about Sabrina Carpenter's album 

2449
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,160
cover. 
You know, so true. 

2450
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:21,720
Yeah, it's no, that's the thing.
And and she, I mean, she comes 

2451
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:24,000
from a great acting family. 
That's Turos. 

2452
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:29,040
Yes. 
She's another person that is 

2453
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,240
overweight and uses it to her 
advantage as a character. 

2454
02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:37,800
I love that she was a huge slut 
like or. 

2455
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:42,080
Like I love the Rolling Stone 
tattoo, like placed right on her

2456
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:45,960
her breast, you know? 
One of the greatest episodes of 

2457
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:50,280
of the is when they go to the 
cabin with Bobby and Janice. 

2458
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,160
Yes. 
Oh yeah, that beautiful I. 

2459
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:55,920
Mean it's a huge episode Bobby 
get gets his gets pops his 

2460
02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:01,520
cherry yes with the Montreal 
guys yes and you know after that

2461
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:03,360
great scene in the book he's 
like your dad was a fucking 

2462
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:06,400
beast and you know Tony put his 
dad out like like a savage 

2463
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:11,960
basically like you know Sal 
Bacala we're driving into the 

2464
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:14,040
pole and dying, which to be 
honest not terrible. 

2465
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:17,800
No, he, he went out, he actually
had a good death so far as all 

2466
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:21,160
these people are concerned. 
Yeah, no, you're right. 

2467
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:24,160
So you, you, you know, again, 
you're like, well, the cancer 

2468
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:27,000
was going to destroy him. 
So, you know, I guess that's not

2469
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:28,840
the worst thing in the world. 
And he didn't kill himself. 

2470
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:33,440
So, you know, you know, the God 
Saint Peter might have a tough 

2471
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:37,200
time, you know, like, you know, 
he might, he might weigh things 

2472
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:41,840
out a little bit. 
And then so, but the with Bobby,

2473
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:45,120
you know, Bobby is like this 
like kind of child the whole 

2474
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:47,080
time. 
And he finally becomes like a 

2475
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:49,480
man, even though, you know, he's
not a kid, he's a good dad. 

2476
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:52,520
He's he's he's a man who makes 
his money and stuff, but he's 

2477
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:54,600
he's kind of this innocent 
child. 

2478
02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:00,760
But then Tony's constantly 
reminding people of the pecking 

2479
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:06,200
order where he's like, no, I get
to call your wife, my sister a 

2480
02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:10,640
slut in front of me. 
I get to do that like and 

2481
02:04:10,640 --> 02:04:15,520
there's nothing you can do about
it, even though I don't know if,

2482
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:20,760
if, if Chris Moltisanti, who's 
Carmelo's cousin called Carmelo 

2483
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:25,520
whore, wouldn't work, wouldn't 
work, wouldn't work. 

2484
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:28,400
So Bobby, when he beat him, 
Bobby beats the shit out of 

2485
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:29,360
Tony. 
He does. 

2486
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:30,720
Well, they're to be fair, 
they're both. 

2487
02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:32,760
They're all very drunk. 
I think Tony is, you know, I. 

2488
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:36,040
Know, but I think I do think 
Bobby is tactical. 

2489
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:40,000
Bobby is a tactical shooting 
range glasses guy. 

2490
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:43,480
Well, he's a marksman, as he, as
he says before he shoots that 

2491
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:46,240
that rapper in the ass, he's 
like, it's OK, I'm a marksman. 

2492
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,000
Exactly. 
So Bob, I will say like Bobby, 

2493
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:55,160
is that like tactical guy who 
like it reminds me of when Artie

2494
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:58,760
loans money to the Frenchman, 
Yes. 

2495
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:01,320
Yeah. 
And then the French guy beats 

2496
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:02,360
his ass. 
Yeah. 

2497
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:04,280
Oh, that's so funny. 
Yeah, it's fucking. 

2498
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:07,120
Brutal. 
You RIP the hearing right out of

2499
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:09,000
orange. 
Such a wall cow dude. 

2500
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:12,760
Like it's just like, it's just 
like he's just one of those guys

2501
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:15,240
who would just quote tweet or 
something like, and just like 

2502
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,720
fucking like I love Artie, but 
it's just yeah. 

2503
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:24,320
Anyways, with Janice, Janice has
this like Meadow, like female 

2504
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:27,760
dependency on Tony where she's 
like, fuck, I don't need you, 

2505
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:32,120
but you are. 
You are my emergency contact. 

2506
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:35,120
And Tony comes through every 
single time. 

2507
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:39,320
Richie Abreel. 
Yeah, Richie Abreel. 

2508
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:42,800
An absolute disgusting satanic 
villain. 

2509
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:47,560
Don't don't shine those Manson 
lamps on me. 

2510
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:48,880
What does Tony say to? 
Him. 

2511
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:51,200
Yeah. 
Or or when when when when 

2512
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:52,920
Richie's first dating Janice 
and. 

2513
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:56,000
And Tony says there's better 
looking guys in the can than my 

2514
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:57,120
sister. 
What are you doing? 

2515
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:05,160
And he's just yeah, yeah. 
Her Rolling Stones tattoo is is 

2516
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:06,600
such a good affect. 
Oh. 

2517
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:09,480
It's so perfect. 
Because it survives every Janice

2518
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:13,240
rebrand. 
Yes, every Janice rebrand. 

2519
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:14,440
There's the Rolling Stone 
tattoo. 

2520
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:16,520
She can't. 
She has to constantly show her 

2521
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:18,320
like fat girl titties all the 
time. 

2522
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:22,560
Like so that's there every time.
It's so true. 

2523
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,640
It's, yeah, it's like perfectly 
placed and perfectly trashy and 

2524
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,840
it betrays every good sentiment 
that she expresses throughout 

2525
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:32,600
the show. 
Yeah, it kills me when she's 

2526
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:35,800
dating the narcoleptic guy. 
Have you heard the good news? 

2527
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:38,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
You told me last week. 

2528
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:43,960
Good. 
I think it was it was Jackie 

2529
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:46,240
Abreel junior who said that. 
Like when Jackie. 

2530
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:48,400
Yeah, yeah, we met last week. 
Yeah. 

2531
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,480
Yeah, yeah, I did last week. 
Yeah, Thank you. 

2532
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:59,840
Side note, my mom's favorite 
line of Sopranos is Jackie 

2533
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,360
Abreel when he's talking to 
Meadow in the car when they're 

2534
02:07:02,360 --> 02:07:04,560
first about to hook up. 
And he's like, that's chemistry,

2535
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:05,720
man. 
It's tough. 

2536
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:09,800
Nucleotides and shit, he's just 
so good. 

2537
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:12,400
Yeah, I like when they're 
playing Scrabble and he's like 

2538
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:17,200
poop for yeah. 
Yeah, just an absolute kid 

2539
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:19,360
that's about to get slaughtered 
the whole time. 

2540
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:20,320
Yeah. 
Like you just did. 

2541
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:22,400
There's just like, there's just 
this, like, guillotine hanging 

2542
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,800
over Jackie Abreel Junior's head
the entire show. 

2543
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:26,040
It was just really. 
Funny. 

2544
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:28,360
Yeah. 
No, he's he's another funny cat.

2545
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:33,000
That's, you know, like I think 
when you're if you're too young,

2546
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:37,000
you know, like when I first 
watched the show, the the level 

2547
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:40,160
of humor in it went over my head
in many cases because you're 

2548
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:41,920
just kind of shocked by the 
violence and how. 

2549
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,440
Brutal things happening. 
You're a things happening. 

2550
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:51,120
Yes, and then but it really is 
like one of the best comedies 

2551
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:54,560
ever put on television. 
Yeah, it. 

2552
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:57,560
Was Goodfellas too. 
Like I love mob years A. 1000%. 

2553
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:01,080
Yeah, yeah, so funny. 
Yeah. 

2554
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:07,400
Oh my gosh, the yeah. 
So the the two more things we 

2555
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:09,280
got to talk about here. 
Let's do it. 

2556
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:13,640
Vito Spatafore, which I think we
can talk about Phil in this too,

2557
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:19,720
because you do Vito Spatafore 
who you know, the whole, it's 

2558
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:23,120
really funny. 
Do you know the first scene that

2559
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:28,160
that Joseph Ganascoli is in? 
Refresh my memory. 

2560
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:32,360
He's not Vito Spatafore in The 
Sopranos, and his first scene, 

2561
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:36,080
he actually plays an extra who 
is in the shop when Chris 

2562
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:39,160
Moltisanti, and I believe it's 
season 2, Chris Moltisanti goes 

2563
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:41,840
to that bakery where the guy is 
like, yeah. 

2564
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:44,480
Why is that when he's coming up 
to get his Freudel or something 

2565
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:45,760
like that, Yeah. 
Exactly. 

2566
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:48,160
So it was tripping me out 
because on the rewatch I'm like,

2567
02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:50,800
why is he kicking Vito out of 
the store? 

2568
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:51,840
I'm like, that doesn't make 
sense. 

2569
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:54,040
Vito could see that. 
That's like he's a mobster. 

2570
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:55,840
Like Vito could absolutely be 
there for that. 

2571
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:57,240
He would. 
They would talk like, you know, 

2572
02:08:57,240 --> 02:09:00,440
if he was there. 
I think Vito just stuck around. 

2573
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:02,960
They did this with Sopranos. 
These open casting call things. 

2574
02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:06,560
Jenny Sack is an open casting 
call. 

2575
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:11,360
They made an open casting call 
in like season 3 of Sopranos and

2576
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,560
Jenny Sack. 
There was they had to shut 

2577
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:15,960
Jersey down. 
The line was around the block. 

2578
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:19,400
It was blocking streets. 
And yet all these mobs guys 

2579
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:22,720
like, Oh, my mobster shtick, I'm
going to get on some all these, 

2580
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:26,840
I'm not going to say the W word,
but you know, Italian guys and 

2581
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:28,240
they're they're, you know, just 
these guys. 

2582
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:31,760
Like I want to get in. 
I want to get in there, you 

2583
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,160
know, that you can say it. 
Yeah. 

2584
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:36,840
And yeah, they were, they were, 
they were they were like just 

2585
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:38,800
these guys, you know, grease 
ball. 

2586
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:40,280
The, you know, my grandpa told 
me all the words. 

2587
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:44,920
The, the they were. 
But Jenny Sack actually got an 

2588
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:48,120
open casting call, which is a 
genius thing because was 

2589
02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:49,640
Johnny's wife always supposed to
be fat? 

2590
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:52,600
I don't know if that was the 
case, but it's it makes it so 

2591
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:53,520
great. 
That it was. 

2592
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:56,480
It worked, and it totally worked
for the show's advantage. 

2593
02:09:56,680 --> 02:10:00,880
He can't have like a Silvio, 
like trophy wife cougar or like 

2594
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:03,760
he can't like it doesn't it 
doesn't make sense. 

2595
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:09,200
But anyways, Vito man, I mean he
he is a great earner. 

2596
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:12,480
It's one thing we can say about 
Vito is he makes a lot of money 

2597
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:13,720
after. 
Ralph. 

2598
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:15,560
Yeah. 
He steps in and he takes over 

2599
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:18,720
that spot. 
It's brought up every time now. 

2600
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:24,560
Vito is a homosexual. 
He loves fireman, he likes 

2601
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:26,640
mustache. 
Guys, He's he's really you. 

2602
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:29,360
Know. 
He's really into a certain type 

2603
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:32,200
of guy. 
Well, to be fair, no, that's not

2604
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:34,840
true because Finn and the 
fireman guy are not really the 

2605
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:36,160
same guy. 
So that's he. 

2606
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:37,680
He. 
Is he claims multitudes within 

2607
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:40,200
his girth, you know, yeah, 
that's correct. 

2608
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:42,920
But he's a bit he's big in the 
construction industry. 

2609
02:10:42,920 --> 02:10:47,080
All those fake lawn chair jobs 
show up jobs thing which are 

2610
02:10:47,560 --> 02:10:54,080
essential to mob work and mob 
rules and and is these fake show

2611
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:57,520
up jobs where everyone draws A 
pension from and and and and 

2612
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:01,640
splits that up. 
He he's in charge of that now. 

2613
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:06,760
Vito gets caught by Meadows 
boyfriend who is given a job at 

2614
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:08,800
the construction site for the 
Esplanade. 

2615
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:12,480
I remember what they were 
they're building doesn't matter,

2616
02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:16,880
but they he he's and it's funny 
too. 

2617
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:20,600
This is such a guy thing. 
When Finn finally spills the 

2618
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:24,760
beans and they're like, yeah, I 
caught Vito was, you know, Vito 

2619
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:28,760
was doing oral sex. 
They're like, oh, he's getting 

2620
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:30,080
his Dick sucked by the security 
guard. 

2621
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:32,720
They're like, Nah, he was 
sucking the security guard's 

2622
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:34,040
Dick. 
And they're like, whoa. 

2623
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:38,200
Everyone's like, Howard Stern 
used to have a bit. 

2624
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,120
Howard Stern is a complete loser
now. 

2625
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:44,360
But Howard Stern used to have a 
very funny bit about pedophilia.

2626
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:50,320
So like, there would be a, let's
say, like PE teacher caught for 

2627
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:52,960
child molestation in New Jersey 
or something. 

2628
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:59,560
And they go, OK, then they go 
and it was he, the PE teacher 

2629
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:02,120
molested, you know, 10 year old 
girls. 

2630
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:03,680
They go, oh, thank God he wasn't
gay. 

2631
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:06,200
Like, that's why, like Howard 
said, oh, thank God. 

2632
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:08,000
Yeah. 
Like that. 

2633
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:10,320
It would always do that every. 
Time. 

2634
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:12,080
Right, right, right. 
This is the guy who won't touch 

2635
02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:16,400
the same countertop as me right 
now, yeah? 

2636
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:18,920
RIPRIP. 
Yeah. 

2637
02:12:19,120 --> 02:12:22,480
The real Jewish guys, Kobe was 
rough for old Jewish guys broke 

2638
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:23,680
their brands. 
It's rough. 

2639
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:26,440
It's rough. 
The the hypochondriac old Jewish

2640
02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:31,200
guy is rough. 
But the anyways the the veto, 

2641
02:12:31,240 --> 02:12:35,160
the the the whole. 
I guess the town that he 

2642
02:12:35,160 --> 02:12:38,520
disappeared in is where David 
Chase is from. 

2643
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:41,360
Do you know where that actually 
is? 

2644
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:44,240
It's New Jersey town, Yeah. 
I don't know. 

2645
02:12:44,920 --> 02:12:46,640
I don't know the area well 
enough so. 

2646
02:12:46,640 --> 02:12:51,720
But it's in that he says it at 
the beginning of the thing, the 

2647
02:12:51,720 --> 02:12:55,280
documentary he likes. 
And that's where Vito, like, hit

2648
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:57,000
out at. 
Is my New Jersey. 

2649
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:00,760
That's so funny. 
I mean, that might have been New

2650
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:03,200
Hampshire, so I can't remember. 
It's one of those things where 

2651
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:07,400
Vito is like this, this killer. 
I mean, Vito kills Jackie Abreel

2652
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:09,960
June. 
Yeah, he waddles up behind him 

2653
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:11,960
and pops him. 
And he was like, hey, while I'm 

2654
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:12,720
here. 
Yeah. 

2655
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:19,000
But. 
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I was. 

2656
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,120
I was. 
When you think about that, 

2657
02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:22,400
you're like, huh, Actually, you 
know, he kills Jackie Preel 

2658
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:23,960
Junior. 
He's kind of this, like in the 

2659
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:26,120
background fat guy. 
Yeah. 

2660
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:28,560
I'm not. 
Nobody's really, you know, you 

2661
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:30,560
don't think about him, but he's 
constantly around. 

2662
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:32,040
You're like, why haven't they 
killed this guy yet? 

2663
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:35,400
They give him the one of the 
best plot lines in the history 

2664
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:42,520
of TV, if not the where he's gay
and Tony. 

2665
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:47,800
So with Tony, he doesn't like, 
he doesn't care anything about 

2666
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:52,480
Vito, but Vito is his top earner
and he everybody's like Tony 

2667
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:55,200
back in the day, what would what
would Johnny Boyd do? 

2668
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:56,480
What would your dad, Johnny Boyd
do? 

2669
02:13:56,640 --> 02:13:57,880
He would have killed him, which 
is true. 

2670
02:13:58,360 --> 02:14:01,400
Like this was true back in the 
100% back in the day. 

2671
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:02,760
They killed that guy 
immediately. 

2672
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:06,000
They slice him up at Satchel's 
like it's it's. 

2673
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:07,080
Because. 
Because he could have been 

2674
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:09,200
blackmailed. 
Exactly. 

2675
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:12,520
Above and beyond the homophobia,
there would be a thing that 

2676
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:14,560
someone could hold over this 
guy's head. 

2677
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:17,160
James Elroy style. 
Exactly. 

2678
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:21,920
That would make him flip so. 
You're right, it's just like 

2679
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:23,480
being a junkie. 
Yep. 

2680
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:28,280
But for penis and the, you know 
that that's, you know, at the 

2681
02:14:28,280 --> 02:14:31,880
end of the day, I mean, I don't 
know why my lighting's been the 

2682
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:36,800
witness protection program right
now, but yeah, I'm not. 

2683
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:43,560
But it just does look like that.
But the the the he tells, you 

2684
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:45,680
know, Vito, you're right. 
Like there is like other 

2685
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:49,680
implications, like there's 
optics obviously, like you guys 

2686
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:52,760
have a fag in your group, like 
we can't have this. 

2687
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:56,400
And the stuff they say is 
insane. 

2688
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:59,720
Like, and it's so funny to hear 
The Sopranos people justify it. 

2689
02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:02,520
It's like, dude, guys, you don't
have to. 

2690
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:06,400
It's a good story. 
All of these people would hate 

2691
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:08,240
that. 
They don't like black people. 

2692
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:11,360
They don't like anything that's 
not an Italian person. 

2693
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:15,240
Yes, everybody else is a pawn. 
Everybody else is used as either

2694
02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:20,840
a hole for sex or or money or or
just like a person, an NPC 

2695
02:15:20,840 --> 02:15:23,960
person, like they don't value 
anything other than themselves. 

2696
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:26,760
They're obviously not going to 
like a gay person. 

2697
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:30,880
Like it's like they're they they
keep and this was a different 

2698
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:33,120
time. 
I'm like, they don't mobsters 

2699
02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:35,080
now wouldn't like it. 
No. 

2700
02:15:35,240 --> 02:15:38,280
I don't know if there is a mob 
now, but if there was, yeah, 

2701
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:41,160
yeah, I don't know. 
That's why I don't know. 

2702
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:42,160
Yeah, I don't know if there is 
one. 

2703
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,280
It's not an Irish one. 
That we don't. 

2704
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:45,360
We don't talk about it, that's 
all. 

2705
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:46,600
Yeah, exactly. 
Exactly. 

2706
02:15:47,480 --> 02:15:48,600
Maybe they are gay. 
I don't know. 

2707
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:52,360
I they could be, they could 
adjust with the times. 

2708
02:15:52,360 --> 02:15:54,800
Yeah, yeah. 
But anyways, they, they, they, 

2709
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:56,360
you don't know if that's the 
case. 

2710
02:15:56,360 --> 02:16:01,600
But with Vito, he, you know, he,
he's on the run and he's married

2711
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:05,880
to Phil Leotardo's cousin. 
And Phil Leotardo is Terminator.

2712
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:07,880
Yep. 
And. 

2713
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:11,840
Zero soul. 
So when you talk about the 

2714
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:16,400
adversaries of Tony Soprano, 
they get, it's like the Mortal 

2715
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:22,160
Kombat ladder. 
It's like, like he's Goro, you 

2716
02:16:22,160 --> 02:16:24,840
know, like, like he's the guy 
with eight arms because he 

2717
02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:27,440
doesn't give a fuck. 
Phil really doesn't have a 

2718
02:16:27,480 --> 02:16:30,680
weakness. 
He yeah, I mean he's 

2719
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:36,040
legitimately an old school hard 
ass gangster without the 

2720
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:40,760
weaknesses of all the others 
that Tony 1 by 1 exploits until 

2721
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:42,240
they're either back in jail or 
dead. 

2722
02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:45,040
And he's Billy Bats from 
Goodfellas, First off. 

2723
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:49,719
Get your fucking. 
Shine legend Frank Vinson. 

2724
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:54,240
RIP. 
He's a legend and but he he and 

2725
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:56,840
he looks with his Gray hair. 
I they even make a reference to 

2726
02:16:56,840 --> 02:16:58,040
it. 
Of Iran. 

2727
02:16:58,160 --> 02:16:59,719
Of Iran. 
He totally looks Middle Eastern 

2728
02:16:59,959 --> 02:17:02,879
in the show the whole time. 
He totally looks like a a Middle

2729
02:17:02,879 --> 02:17:04,760
Eastern like number runner guy 
too. 

2730
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:08,280
Like a total just scammer Middle
Eastern like business owner guy.

2731
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:11,360
It's like we have a lot of those
guys out here. 

2732
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:16,799
Like we have a spot, an outdoor 
shopping mall called Santana Row

2733
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:20,959
that's full of like departments,
like nice stores and fancy 

2734
02:17:20,959 --> 02:17:22,760
stores. 
It's just full of Phil 

2735
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:24,520
Leotardos, just a bunch of. 
Armenians. 

2736
02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:27,719
Leotardos and like 28 year old 
girls look at them like it's 

2737
02:17:27,719 --> 02:17:31,040
just that's like the whole thing
is full of the SAT silk shirts, 

2738
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:35,280
everything. 
And but Phil is like this. 

2739
02:17:35,320 --> 02:17:38,680
He he is the final bot because, 
you know, you have Richie Apriel

2740
02:17:38,680 --> 02:17:42,920
who's just, you know, he Richie 
Apriel is, is menacing, but I 

2741
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:44,799
don't know how smart he actually
is. 

2742
02:17:45,719 --> 02:17:50,000
Ralph Cifaretto definitely not. 
He's just not going to like, 

2743
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:53,600
he's not going to prove himself 
to be a true adversary. 

2744
02:17:54,280 --> 02:18:00,879
And then you have Phil, who is 
this New York guy who's been 

2745
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:04,440
just waiting for his moment. 
So Johnny Sack goes to the can. 

2746
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:06,440
He's not getting out and he's 
sick too. 

2747
02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:09,320
So regardless, he's not living 
out that sentence. 

2748
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:12,240
By the way, Johnny Sacks, his 
character was originally 

2749
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:15,240
supposed to be 71 years old. 
No shit. 

2750
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:17,400
Yeah, so it's funny when they're
talking about his sentence, 

2751
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:21,160
they'll be like, yeah, you're 
you'll be 672 when you get out. 

2752
02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:24,160
And it's like they adjusted the 
age of the character. 

2753
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:28,480
I think they meant to kill him 
off a lot earlier to be honest. 

2754
02:18:29,799 --> 02:18:31,240
He looked, I mean, he looked 
terrible. 

2755
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:32,760
So yeah, I mean, I would have. 
I would have. 

2756
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:34,920
Bought I think they meant to 
have him last the season but he 

2757
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:38,320
was so damn good that. 
Yeah, I'm glad they kept him, 

2758
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:40,639
Yeah. 
We have to we'll just make him a

2759
02:18:40,799 --> 02:18:44,320
58 year old guy, you know, which
is probably more what he looked 

2760
02:18:44,320 --> 02:18:48,879
like and, and, but, but Phil is 
is that's what's also too is a 

2761
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:52,200
lot of people's age is, is like 
really ambiguous in this like 

2762
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:54,520
they're they just like that 
guy's got Gray hair. 

2763
02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:56,559
He's old. 
That's kind of like the way you 

2764
02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:57,360
you. 
Know. 

2765
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:01,200
Sopranos the girls too, like you
get the idea of Gloria Trillo. 

2766
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,600
She's like she's older, right? 
Like she's you know, you'd post 

2767
02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:08,520
the egg carton meme to to her 
character, but but like some of 

2768
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:10,080
the other girls, like you, you 
get the idea. 

2769
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:13,280
That Russian first one, I forget
her name, but I really. 

2770
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:16,040
Yeah, she's she's probably like 
20-2. 

2771
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:18,680
Yeah, like her character and 
stuff. 

2772
02:19:18,680 --> 02:19:22,559
But otherwise, like age is very 
ambiguous in, in, in, in, in, in

2773
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:27,000
Sopranos. 
But Phil is just this like, I 

2774
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:28,799
don't know how we're going to 
get out of this. 

2775
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:33,120
Like this guy's a freak. 
He doesn't have a vice. 

2776
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:36,680
He's not a drug guy, right? 
He's got a gumar, which they 

2777
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:40,440
killed the wrong guy trying to 
kill him, which that was sad, 

2778
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:43,240
actually, it killed the wrong. 
But like, other than that, he 

2779
02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:46,760
doesn't really have any. 
Like one place he goes too 

2780
02:19:46,760 --> 02:19:50,000
often, doesn't have any of these
things. 

2781
02:19:50,400 --> 02:19:56,160
And Phil's, he probably always 
wanted to get rid of Tony in the

2782
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,760
same way that you want to get 
rid of the bug, the spider 

2783
02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:00,080
that's on the wall. 
And you're like, ah, it's in a 

2784
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:01,960
weird corner. 
So right now I'll leave it 

2785
02:20:01,960 --> 02:20:03,400
there. 
But if that thing comes anywhere

2786
02:20:03,400 --> 02:20:06,120
near me, I'll kill it. 
That's basically Phil's view of 

2787
02:20:06,120 --> 02:20:08,160
Tony. 
Yeah, well, he looks at at the, 

2788
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:11,680
you know, that Jersey thing, 
that weird, you know, it's a 

2789
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:12,920
half baked crew. 
They. 

2790
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:15,640
Yeah, horrified crew. 
Yes. 

2791
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:22,800
And Phil is old school, and he's
got a legitimate grievance in 

2792
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:26,000
that his brother gets shot in 
front of him, you know? 

2793
02:20:26,280 --> 02:20:30,200
By Tony Blindetto And now we 
know Tony gets killed. 

2794
02:20:30,440 --> 02:20:34,760
Tony Blindetto gets killed in a 
it's actually it's a beautifully

2795
02:20:34,760 --> 02:20:36,560
filmed scene when Tony comes out
with a gun. 

2796
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:40,040
It's like No Country for Old Men
level coldness to it. 

2797
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:44,600
Like, like this, this like 
shooting a deer, you know, like,

2798
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:49,760
like the inconsequential but 
very consequential way of 

2799
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:54,040
killing Tony. 
But Phil's like you. 

2800
02:20:54,360 --> 02:20:56,800
I told you I won. 
You're robbed in the head. 

2801
02:20:57,720 --> 02:21:02,560
Now with Vito, Tony is hiding 
Vito because he's gay and Phil 

2802
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:04,960
is like I'm sorry this is 
fucking embarrassing. 

2803
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:07,720
Like my my cousin is married to 
him. 

2804
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:10,440
Let me just destroy this fucking
guy. 

2805
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:13,400
Tony, why are you hold hiding 
him from me? 

2806
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:17,040
I know you know where he is. 
And after a while, when Phil 

2807
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:21,640
does kill Vito, he comes out of 
a closet to kill him. 

2808
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:25,560
Said. 
Coming out of a closet to kill 

2809
02:21:25,560 --> 02:21:26,840
Vito is hilarious. 
By the way. 

2810
02:21:26,840 --> 02:21:28,360
This. 
Is funny. 

2811
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:31,200
And one of the best lines. 
This is why I love Chris so 

2812
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:33,360
much, because he kills me. 
Other than Junior, he's the 

2813
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:37,640
second funniest guy in the show.
When they break the news of Vito

2814
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:40,640
dying, which everybody's 
secretly very relieved by. 

2815
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,920
And Tony's the only guy who's 
really kind of like, fuck my 

2816
02:21:43,960 --> 02:21:45,920
earner, right? 
And he's always like, hey, you 

2817
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:48,400
guys need to step up. 
The only reason I'm not want to 

2818
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:50,520
kill him is because you guys 
suck, basically. 

2819
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:54,880
And when, when Vito's found, 
because they found out, you 

2820
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:57,640
don't see him really kill Vito. 
You don't see Phil killing. 

2821
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:00,760
You don't need to, but you, you 
know, Phil's going to make it 

2822
02:22:00,760 --> 02:22:03,280
hurt. 
It's going to be Guantanamo Bay.

2823
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:07,720
It's going to be death. 
And they, they read the story to

2824
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:11,000
him and it's another guy that 
they kill, right? 

2825
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:14,000
It's this other New York guy 
that comes by and they kill him 

2826
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:16,760
because he's like this fucking 
fag and all that stuff. 

2827
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:18,880
And like, you know, it makes it 
look the Jersey crew look bad. 

2828
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:21,920
So they kill him. 
Silvio and I believe the guy who

2829
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,440
ends up ratting at the end, I 
can't remember what his name is.

2830
02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:27,520
Who am I thinking of? 
The old guy who's like going to 

2831
02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:30,120
testify at the end, his son 
because of his son and stuff 

2832
02:22:30,240 --> 02:22:32,920
guy. 
Yes, it's it'll come to. 

2833
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:34,120
Me. 
He's always cooking. 

2834
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:36,080
Yep. 
Yeah, whatever. 

2835
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:40,360
Nonetheless, he they kill him. 
But the guy was saying he goes, 

2836
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:42,680
yeah, they found a pool. 
I think Bobby actually delivers 

2837
02:22:42,680 --> 02:22:44,080
the news. 
And Bobby's like, yeah, they 

2838
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:46,560
found a pool cue up his ass. 
Yep. 

2839
02:22:46,960 --> 02:22:51,880
They killed in a hotel room and 
it's silent for like 10 seconds,

2840
02:22:51,880 --> 02:22:53,960
which in real time is like 3 
minutes. 

2841
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:57,640
And Chris goes, you think it was
a lover's quarrel? 

2842
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:03,120
I killed me. 
I was, I, I, I, I haven't 

2843
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,760
laughed that part at anything 
that was ever labeled comedy 

2844
02:23:05,880 --> 02:23:08,520
before. 
A. 

2845
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:13,400
Lover's quarrel Chris is riding 
movies so he like knows he's 

2846
02:23:13,400 --> 02:23:18,440
like movie terms it's the fight 
one of the funniest things ever 

2847
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:22,120
said in the show and and yeah 
you think it was a. 

2848
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:26,200
Lover's quarrel to deliver. 
Knowing Michael Imperioli is, I 

2849
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:28,320
fucking hate it because he's 
even in White Lotus. 

2850
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:30,240
He's phenomenal. 
Like you're just like God, he's 

2851
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:33,960
so good, Spider. 
To be that guy, yeah. 

2852
02:23:33,960 --> 02:23:36,080
And poor Spider getting his foot
shot off. 

2853
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:42,160
But yeah, so such comedy 
delivered up against such 

2854
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:44,280
tragedy and such horror, you 
know? 

2855
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:48,480
Did you know that he did tell a 
funny story, Michael Imperio 

2856
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:52,880
about his he he after 
Goodfellas, you know he's in 

2857
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:55,120
Goodfellas, but his part 
probably didn't pay that much, 

2858
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:56,760
so he was still like waiting 
tables. 

2859
02:23:57,000 --> 02:23:59,600
Oh yeah, I'm sure. 
So, so many people were like 

2860
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:01,400
making spider jokes, like 
waiting. 

2861
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:03,200
He was like, I wanted to kill 
myself. 

2862
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,040
I wouldn't have blamed him. 
Yeah, like that's terrible 

2863
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:08,840
because it's like you're 
literally waiting and you're 

2864
02:24:08,840 --> 02:24:11,880
doing the job. 
Yeah, that which is a common 

2865
02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:15,920
actor job, but like it's just 
like, of course, like the shoot 

2866
02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:19,160
him in the foot, the Joe Pesci 
just, you know, going crazy on 

2867
02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:20,440
him. 
But yeah, he's so. 

2868
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:22,120
Funny. 
Oh God, it killed me. 

2869
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:25,440
But you know, Vito, Vito dies 
that way his and then but 

2870
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:29,320
everybody's got to deal with the
the after effects where 

2871
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:31,360
everybody reaches out to his 
son. 

2872
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:33,640
And whenever somebody dies in 
The Sopranos, they pretend 

2873
02:24:33,640 --> 02:24:35,160
they're going to take care of 
the family, and they really. 

2874
02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:36,040
Never do. 
Nothing happens. 

2875
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:38,280
Angie Papisero gets The Body 
Shop. 

2876
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:41,520
She's she's like the lone 
exception who actually makes it 

2877
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,680
work. 
And even then it was, she had to

2878
02:24:44,680 --> 02:24:46,920
really grind it out to make that
thing work. 

2879
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:50,840
And so like it was, it's just, 
it's really funny. 

2880
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:56,520
And so I, it cracks me up, but 
that's, you know, that's when 

2881
02:24:56,520 --> 02:25:00,360
the show really ramps up into 
all out warfare. 

2882
02:25:00,840 --> 02:25:02,240
Yeah. 
Iraq war, essentially. 

2883
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:03,880
Like it's how the rest of the 
show goes. 

2884
02:25:04,480 --> 02:25:06,640
Anybody's up for anybody's up 
for grabs. 

2885
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:08,920
And what's different from this 
show in the show, like Game of 

2886
02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:12,360
Thrones is Game of Thrones loves
to be like, we can kill anybody 

2887
02:25:12,360 --> 02:25:14,200
at any moment. 
Yeah. 

2888
02:25:14,680 --> 02:25:16,400
Which I love that show. 
I watched it. 

2889
02:25:16,400 --> 02:25:17,720
It was great. 
I thought the last season was 

2890
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:19,640
ass cheeks but I did like the 
show. 

2891
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:22,440
Pretend the last season doesn't 
exist, yeah. 

2892
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:27,080
Last season's awful but but but 
I did like the show. 

2893
02:25:27,080 --> 02:25:31,720
However, Sopranos is so much 
more powerful because the people

2894
02:25:31,720 --> 02:25:35,480
survive and you're like, well I 
got 3 episodes left, what's 

2895
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:38,480
going to happen? 
Blood rains. 

2896
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:47,080
It is absolute oil painting. 
Warfare of biblical proportions 

2897
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:52,160
just in Old Testament 
slaughtering of people. 

2898
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,560
Bobby, who? 
You know, a sneaky thing that I 

2899
02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:58,680
didn't notice in any of the 
other rewatches I had is when 

2900
02:25:58,680 --> 02:26:02,560
Bobby, Janice goes to Tony to 
whine about how Bobby doesn't 

2901
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:04,080
make enough money for like the 
last time. 

2902
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:08,680
When she brings the kid in the 
stroller, the sad she, she's all

2903
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:10,200
concerned. 
She's like a politician. 

2904
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:12,280
She knows exactly what's going 
to tell you on heartstrings. 

2905
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:14,400
And she's like, Bobby needs to 
make more money today. 

2906
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:17,080
He's like, well, fucking fuck 
you basically, is what Tony says

2907
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:19,680
to her. 
Meanwhile, Bobby's going to buy 

2908
02:26:19,720 --> 02:26:25,680
a like $25,000 trains. 
Yep, he gets killed. 

2909
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:27,640
And it's sad because you love 
Bobby. 

2910
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:30,800
He gets absolutely destroyed. 
He gets shot like 20 times. 

2911
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:33,800
That's like insane big guy. 
You got to take him down. 

2912
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:35,280
I was going to say, he's got a 
lot of padding. 

2913
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:37,520
You got to. 
Figure out a big guy and you 

2914
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:40,440
know, like, yeah, not bad. 
Not a bad gig for Steven Sherpa.

2915
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:41,640
That's a good way to bet on 
yourself. 

2916
02:26:41,640 --> 02:26:44,320
He was a Vegas club promoter 
making like he was saying he was

2917
02:26:44,320 --> 02:26:48,080
making like 165 a year back in 
the 90s, making money. 

2918
02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:50,080
That's good. 
Yeah. 

2919
02:26:50,400 --> 02:26:52,920
Booking big hands, son. 
OK, Yeah. 

2920
02:26:52,920 --> 02:26:54,920
So he was like, this is a big 
risk to take. 

2921
02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:58,000
Yeah. 
Already had kids too, so it's 

2922
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:00,320
not like he was like, oh, it's 
just me though, you know, I'll 

2923
02:27:00,320 --> 02:27:01,360
go take a race. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

2924
02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:04,040
You know, No, like it was. 
He went and did that. 

2925
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:05,960
So he lasted. 
I mean, when you're talking 

2926
02:27:05,960 --> 02:27:07,120
about. 
Yeah, he doesn't last through 

2927
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:08,920
the show acting wise. 
He lasts. 

2928
02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:12,880
He had a job for that long gets 
absolutely destroyed. 

2929
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:17,520
The the the time speeds up. 
The Janice gets like no time to 

2930
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:18,960
mourn him before the show's 
over. 

2931
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:26,160
It's like hardly anything and 
and then and then just raining 

2932
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:28,320
blood. 
Phil Leotardo's basically like, 

2933
02:27:28,600 --> 02:27:30,720
let's just squash, let's kill 
the bugs. 

2934
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:37,080
Let's kill the bugs. 
And he just Silvio, poor Silvio,

2935
02:27:37,080 --> 02:27:41,400
gets absolutely just get lit up.
Polly Polly's exempt, which is 

2936
02:27:41,400 --> 02:27:44,520
funny because he probably should
die, but he doesn't. 

2937
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:47,920
He's kind of he's, he's one of 
the major reasons for all this 

2938
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:49,960
happening. 
It's true. 

2939
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:52,800
The Johnny Sack thing back in 
the day, he was the one, his, 

2940
02:27:52,920 --> 02:27:59,160
his brother or cousin, Little 
Polly was the one who, you know,

2941
02:27:59,160 --> 02:28:01,200
did. 
I mean, you know, at the end of 

2942
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,200
the day, I think something else 
would have come up for sure. 

2943
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:04,520
That would have started a war, I
think. 

2944
02:28:04,520 --> 02:28:07,920
I think at the end of the day, 
New York's always had this, had 

2945
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:10,560
this vendetta or not vendetta, 
because that would imply they 

2946
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:14,200
were equals, this kind of 
hatred. 

2947
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:17,200
But yeah, maybe they would have 
New Jersey's Jersey, leave them 

2948
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:18,760
alone. 
But after a while, there's an 

2949
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:23,920
imperialistic tendency, I think,
where it's like, well, what if 

2950
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:28,200
we just took over Jersey I I 
think it happens one way or 

2951
02:28:28,200 --> 02:28:29,880
another. 
But you're right, Paul, he kind 

2952
02:28:29,880 --> 02:28:31,160
of does. 
He gives him a reason. 

2953
02:28:31,160 --> 02:28:33,400
He gives him a. 
Reason because he probably was 

2954
02:28:33,400 --> 02:28:34,800
going to flip to Johnny Sacks 
crew. 

2955
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:37,520
He was going to. 
He desperately wanted to and it,

2956
02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:39,800
you know, got thrown back in his
face. 

2957
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:42,240
Carmine's like, who are you? 
But anyway, yeah. 

2958
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:45,200
So Phil gets his though, and 
Phil gets his in one of the most

2959
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:47,640
glorious ways. 
I mean, he gets shot in the head

2960
02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:49,320
when he's saying hi to his 
grandkids. 

2961
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:51,880
The most human you ever see. 
Phil, by the way, is when he's 

2962
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:55,320
when he's hi bye, say bye bye to
grandma, you know, and and his 

2963
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:57,480
last words to his wife are 
arguing too. 

2964
02:28:57,480 --> 02:29:00,680
So it's like they, they, they 
make everything terrible for 

2965
02:29:00,760 --> 02:29:02,840
Phil. 
So it's a very satisfying death.

2966
02:29:02,840 --> 02:29:05,720
So when people say they hate the
ending of Sopranos, that's 

2967
02:29:05,720 --> 02:29:09,440
actually the ending of Sopranos,
by the way, in my opinion, 

2968
02:29:09,640 --> 02:29:14,880
because they kill Phil. 
Now that being said, and he gets

2969
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:17,640
his gets run over the cars in 
drive and he gets his head 

2970
02:29:17,640 --> 02:29:18,960
splattered it's. 
Hilarious. 

2971
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:20,680
I was going to say that's, you 
know, that's the. 

2972
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:23,440
Very satisfying. 
It's like it's R slash. 

2973
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:27,360
Very oddly satisfying. 
It's somebody great cheese. 

2974
02:29:27,360 --> 02:29:28,880
Perfectly. 
It's like it's one of those 

2975
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:29,640
things. 
Yeah. 

2976
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:35,920
And the ending. 
So let's real fast talk about 

2977
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:39,120
Tony's what Tony's up against, 
Tony's up against. 

2978
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:42,280
So Phil's dead. 
But like the other, you know 

2979
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:45,120
there's other people that are 
going to chase after you, right?

2980
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:45,920
It's not. 
Over. 

2981
02:29:46,680 --> 02:29:48,080
It's not over. 
You're not in the castle with 

2982
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:51,080
the Princess. 
It's it's it's there's it's 

2983
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:55,080
never ending. 
And he's also found out that 

2984
02:29:55,080 --> 02:29:57,000
one. 
I still I why I can't remember 

2985
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:58,600
this guy's name. 
It's bothering the hell out of 

2986
02:29:58,600 --> 02:30:00,040
me. 
The, the, the guy who's going to

2987
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:03,800
rap basically because his son 
Jason, who I know his sons Aunt 

2988
02:30:03,800 --> 02:30:08,920
Jason got pinched for like a 
little a minor drug thing, but 

2989
02:30:08,920 --> 02:30:10,720
it's basically this guy's not 
about that life. 

2990
02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:12,760
His dad's going to give up Tony 
in a sense. 

2991
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:21,800
And Tony's kind of, he's kind of
like something's going to 

2992
02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:23,000
happen. 
I don't know what am I going to 

2993
02:30:23,000 --> 02:30:24,320
die? 
Am I going to go to jail or 

2994
02:30:24,320 --> 02:30:27,120
something? 
They got to split up for a 

2995
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:30,320
little bit. 
It happens once every couple of 

2996
02:30:30,320 --> 02:30:32,840
seasons where you got to empty 
out the floorboards, empty out 

2997
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:35,240
the ceiling, empty out the guns,
empty out the cash, do 

2998
02:30:35,240 --> 02:30:38,400
everything. 
It's not Agent Harris anymore, 

2999
02:30:38,400 --> 02:30:41,400
but Agent Harris is actually the
guy to to Agent Harris comes out

3000
02:30:41,400 --> 02:30:44,200
as a as a hero a little bit, 
kind of gives up Phil Leotardo 

3001
02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:48,400
in a way, in a roundabout way 
that won't implicate him. 

3002
02:30:48,520 --> 02:30:51,600
And then also kind of tells him 
like, hey, nothing's going to 

3003
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:54,560
get picked up again against you.
And because they found somebody 

3004
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:58,720
that's going to give you up. 
So the final scene of Sopranos, 

3005
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:05,960
which I Live Today, by the way, 
I'm so glad this came out as 

3006
02:31:05,960 --> 02:31:08,960
well as it did, all things 
considered. 

3007
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,040
You guys don't know the behind 
the scenes, the house struggling

3008
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:18,360
today, but they're at a diner. 
We're supposed to believe it's a

3009
02:31:18,360 --> 02:31:20,520
diner that they all like. 
We never see them at ever. 

3010
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:22,080
But whatever, it's the diner 
they love. 

3011
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,800
It appears that they're able to 
do this, but everyone's still 

3012
02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:29,800
looking over their shoulder. 
I think it's brilliantly filmed 

3013
02:31:29,800 --> 02:31:32,400
where Tony gets the designer 1st
and scopes the place out. 

3014
02:31:32,400 --> 02:31:35,720
If it was all bad he could say 
Nope no no no no no no this is 

3015
02:31:35,720 --> 02:31:41,000
not the place. 
However, every NPC type person 

3016
02:31:41,080 --> 02:31:44,880
could be the killer. 
This guy wearing a members only 

3017
02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:48,400
jacket in there which is not 
nothing. 

3018
02:31:48,920 --> 02:31:54,360
And you have it's a, it's, it's 
a, a, a nail biting level of 

3019
02:31:54,360 --> 02:31:58,480
mundanity of just these average 
Meadow trying to parallel park. 

3020
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:02,840
Yes. 
Carmela pulling in, it's in 

3021
02:32:02,840 --> 02:32:06,760
after his car explodes, which 
they make this big thing out of 

3022
02:32:06,760 --> 02:32:09,280
this Marshall thing, which I 
didn't get where in the first 

3023
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:13,520
episode the BBQ explodes and 
then a JS Xterra explodes and 

3024
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:15,280
that's supposed to be this link 
between him and Pony. 

3025
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:19,600
I don't see that at all. 
But neither here nor there. 

3026
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:22,200
The ending pisses a lot of 
people off. 

3027
02:32:22,200 --> 02:32:24,520
My mom hates it. 
I still talk to her. 

3028
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:26,240
Understandable. 
Because you. 

3029
02:32:26,680 --> 02:32:28,000
I don't think it's 
understandable at all. 

3030
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:34,840
I think it ends perfectly. 
Do you want to see Tony die? 

3031
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:38,400
No. 
Do you want to see Tony in jail?

3032
02:32:39,360 --> 02:32:44,280
No, nobody does. 
So what do you want They you? 

3033
02:32:44,320 --> 02:32:45,760
This is I'm. 
I know, yeah. 

3034
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:47,240
I know you're not. 
I know you're, I know you're 

3035
02:32:47,240 --> 02:32:48,920
posing it to the the audience at
home. 

3036
02:32:49,080 --> 02:32:53,800
And I I agree with you. 
We love, we love Tony Soprano. 

3037
02:32:54,280 --> 02:32:59,200
It would be, I mean, yeah, it 
just would have that that 

3038
02:32:59,200 --> 02:33:01,080
wouldn't have been a very 
satisfying ending. 

3039
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:02,960
If they killed him. 
It would have been satisfying in

3040
02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:04,400
that you have some closure in 
that. 

3041
02:33:04,400 --> 02:33:06,520
OK, the story's over, right? 
Yeah. 

3042
02:33:06,520 --> 02:33:12,720
But but the thing that elevates 
that ending to the mythic that 

3043
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:18,400
sticks in everyone's craw 20 
plus years on is that you're 

3044
02:33:18,400 --> 02:33:26,240
denied that final closing of the
book and and that open loop 

3045
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:29,760
sticks in the back of your head 
forever. 

3046
02:33:30,400 --> 02:33:34,240
Because like the best pictures 
you're able to insert yourself, 

3047
02:33:34,480 --> 02:33:38,680
there's room to live in that 
moment when you hear the 

3048
02:33:38,680 --> 02:33:42,040
doorbell ring. 
Ding Ding Ding, the screen goes 

3049
02:33:42,040 --> 02:33:45,920
black. 
And it and it's and you. 

3050
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:48,800
And it's one of those things 
where you could watch the finale

3051
02:33:49,640 --> 02:33:52,760
80 times in a row. 
Clockwork Orange eyelids held, 

3052
02:33:52,920 --> 02:33:55,280
held open. 
You'll never get the beat right 

3053
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:58,520
when it cuts the black and and 
you'll never get it right. 

3054
02:33:58,520 --> 02:34:02,200
It's it is the the cut to black 
is the most unsatisfying part, I

3055
02:34:02,200 --> 02:34:05,240
think to a lot of people is that
is that we have no rhythm or 

3056
02:34:05,240 --> 02:34:07,600
tempo to to show that where 
that's happening. 

3057
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:11,400
But I will say I don't think 
Tony was meant to die in that 

3058
02:34:11,400 --> 02:34:13,920
restaurant. 
So what do you? 

3059
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:17,040
What is your speculation? 
I think he goes to jail 

3060
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:18,920
eventually. 
You think that he would have 

3061
02:34:18,920 --> 02:34:20,320
gotten popped in that last 
scene? 

3062
02:34:20,320 --> 02:34:23,760
That he would. 
Have gotten popped, see and 

3063
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:25,480
that's another thing. 
I don't want to see him snitch 

3064
02:34:25,640 --> 02:34:28,600
even though he might have God. 
I don't know that he would. 

3065
02:34:29,400 --> 02:34:31,680
Again, he might Johnny Sack and 
just die in jail. 

3066
02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:35,520
And I don't see that. 
What I mean is like, I'm team 

3067
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:38,040
Tony Soprano. 
So like, I think the people that

3068
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:41,840
hate Tony Soprano hate the 
enemy, and I think people that 

3069
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:46,080
love Tony Soprano might feel a 
little unsatisfied, but that's 

3070
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:47,800
our Golden Boy. 
Yeah. 

3071
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:52,040
We don't want to see it like 
it's more of a it's it's people 

3072
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:56,560
trying to scrub themselves of 
the filth of the show that want 

3073
02:34:56,560 --> 02:34:59,200
to see him in handcuffs or dead.
I'm like, you would hate the 

3074
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:00,400
ending if he died, I'm telling 
you. 

3075
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:03,560
And like, Breaking Bad did this 
a little bit where, you know, 

3076
02:35:03,560 --> 02:35:09,720
Walter dies and and it's like, 
OK, that worked. 

3077
02:35:09,720 --> 02:35:12,320
Don't get me wrong, it worked. 
They did it artfully. 

3078
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:14,720
Yeah. 
But I like Sopranos in this 

3079
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:18,960
like, look like life goes on. 
It's never over. 

3080
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:24,520
We cut it, it's not over. 
Tony would have battles after 

3081
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:26,120
battles after battles, as you 
could think. 

3082
02:35:26,520 --> 02:35:28,640
Even if Tony doesn't go to jail,
even if he gets off on a 

3083
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:32,840
technicality like he did on the 
last Greek group, it would still

3084
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:36,600
go on and on and on. 
It would just be a new guy 

3085
02:35:36,600 --> 02:35:40,800
coming in, new youngbloods, new 
this night, this Dante's hell 

3086
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:43,120
loop. 
I mean, could you, could you 

3087
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:47,280
imagine? 
So, OK, so James Gandolfini at 

3088
02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:51,960
that time and Tony Soprano would
have been early or mid 40s when 

3089
02:35:51,960 --> 02:35:54,720
the show ended because he wasn't
that old, you know? 

3090
02:35:55,160 --> 02:35:58,160
So all right, 20 years on. 
Yeah. 

3091
02:35:58,480 --> 02:36:01,000
They're in the. 
He's in their in his 60s, right?

3092
02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:04,680
Can you imagine that character 
today? 

3093
02:36:05,400 --> 02:36:06,360
Yeah. 
It's like, what? 

3094
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:10,320
I don't know. 
You know, a heart attack would 

3095
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:11,720
have gotten them either way, I 
think. 

3096
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:14,120
Right. 
And again, I don't want to see 

3097
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:15,440
that. 
So it's like all these things, 

3098
02:36:15,640 --> 02:36:18,400
any outcome you tell me, I'm 
like, I would hate to watch that

3099
02:36:18,400 --> 02:36:19,480
happen. 
Yeah. 

3100
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:26,560
So the fact that it ended the 
way that it did on just the book

3101
02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:29,280
is never closed. 
It's never over. 

3102
02:36:31,560 --> 02:36:33,720
Perfect. 
Michelle Welbeck's possibility 

3103
02:36:33,720 --> 02:36:36,200
of an island man. 
The guy goes through hell and 

3104
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:39,280
back, kills himself and uploads 
himself into a cloud service 

3105
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:40,120
thing. 
And what does he do? 

3106
02:36:40,120 --> 02:36:41,520
He's like, hey, what's over 
there? 

3107
02:36:41,520 --> 02:36:44,080
I'll just keep going. 
And it's just kind of like 

3108
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:46,280
that's kind of what happens 
here. 

3109
02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:53,680
And again, you can insert I, I, 
I understand, I don't think it's

3110
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:55,760
a cop out the way a lot of 
people think open-ended stuff 

3111
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:57,240
is. 
I don't think I just, I just 

3112
02:36:57,240 --> 02:36:59,720
trying to think of literally 
anything you can think of 

3113
02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:02,240
happening in that scene or post 
that scene. 

3114
02:37:02,680 --> 02:37:05,880
I don't want to see. 
Did they shoot multiple endings?

3115
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:10,200
Maybe, I don't know. 
Because didn't, didn't I? 

3116
02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:14,120
This may be apocryphal, but I 
seem to remember reading the 

3117
02:37:14,680 --> 02:37:17,600
Gentle Feeney and Lorraine 
Bracco watched it when it aired.

3118
02:37:17,800 --> 02:37:19,360
Cuz I don't know that either of 
them. 

3119
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:22,560
You're filming a show, you don't
actually know what it's gonna. 

3120
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:25,880
Be. 
Yeah, you know, and both of them

3121
02:37:25,880 --> 02:37:30,840
were like, what the fuck? 
Yeah, cuz what if they shot a 

3122
02:37:30,840 --> 02:37:33,560
death scene for Tony and he's 
like wait, I didn't. 

3123
02:37:34,520 --> 02:37:36,520
Yeah, I'm. 
Like what the fuck you know? 

3124
02:37:37,160 --> 02:37:39,320
Yeah, it's true. 
Imagine him saying that as Tony 

3125
02:37:39,320 --> 02:37:40,920
said, What the fuck? 
You know what's in the 

3126
02:37:40,920 --> 02:37:45,880
television exactly. 
Right. 

3127
02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:51,120
I yeah, I mean, it's, it's just,
it's, it's the perfect 

3128
02:37:51,720 --> 02:37:55,040
television show. 
And the fact, the fact that it 

3129
02:37:55,040 --> 02:38:02,520
has reached across every, you 
don't have to be from Jersey, 

3130
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:03,600
You don't have to be from New 
York. 

3131
02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:06,720
You don't have to be Italian to 
enjoy it and to, to, to soak up 

3132
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:11,040
all of the beauty and the 
interest and the themes that are

3133
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:14,440
there. 
And it is just such a testament 

3134
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:21,800
to serendipity and the power of 
a single person's vision for a 

3135
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:27,040
story and the collaborative 
magic that happens when you get,

3136
02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:32,160
you know, God's hands descending
on a cast, crew, set, and 

3137
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:38,600
storyline to craft something 
that just is truly golden and 

3138
02:38:38,600 --> 02:38:44,360
truly timeless and beautiful and
enjoyable in perpetuity. 

3139
02:38:44,360 --> 02:38:46,680
And people are going to be 
watching this for hundreds of 

3140
02:38:46,680 --> 02:38:53,280
years and extolling it as truly 
great storytelling. 

3141
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:58,480
If I'm lucky enough to live as 
long as the average American 

3142
02:38:58,480 --> 02:39:01,880
life expectancy, I'll probably 
watch this five more times. 

3143
02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:05,520
At least. 
Yeah, so I'm, you know, there's 

3144
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:07,600
so much we didn't, you know, 
like there's so much we didn't 

3145
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:09,600
cover. 
But it's like you got to watch 

3146
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:12,240
it pile my all these, all these 
plot lines, There's all these 

3147
02:39:12,240 --> 02:39:15,400
things that happen. 
It's never boring. 

3148
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:18,000
It's it's never dull. 
It's incredible. 

3149
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,600
Watch it. 
Get a HBO Max subscription. 

3150
02:39:20,600 --> 02:39:22,480
You will pay for itself. 
Yes. 

3151
02:39:23,360 --> 02:39:25,120
I straight up like, it's, it's 
incredible. 

3152
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:27,680
So Vincent, I I can't thank you 
enough for for something as 

3153
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:32,600
impromptu as this. 
I thought we really, I, I don't 

3154
02:39:32,600 --> 02:39:35,520
know if anybody's talked about 
it because I, I hate the whole 

3155
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:38,960
like, oh, and the cast and the, 
and the, the showrunner. 

3156
02:39:38,960 --> 02:39:41,000
It's like, no, these are 
characters, man. 

3157
02:39:41,000 --> 02:39:43,600
These guys are fucking. 
They deserve their own time. 

3158
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:46,840
And we talked about these people
as characters, which I, yeah, 

3159
02:39:46,920 --> 02:39:48,520
you know, so that's, that's 
good. 

3160
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:52,280
Please follow, you know, all the
links will be in the 

3161
02:39:52,280 --> 02:39:55,280
description. 
Follow him on, on on Instagram. 

3162
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:59,360
I know that's where you do most 
of your social media work and 

3163
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:01,320
stuff there too. 
And your, and get some paintings

3164
02:40:01,320 --> 02:40:02,640
from them. 
They're fantastic paintings. 

3165
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:04,280
I still want the Howard Rourke 
one, man. 

3166
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:06,720
Dude, you got to make you got to
make the Howard. 

3167
02:40:06,840 --> 02:40:10,040
Your style is perfect for a Rand
Howard Rourke. 

3168
02:40:10,920 --> 02:40:13,600
I would love to do. 
I would, you know, that's that's

3169
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:17,400
cooking. 
I would love to do something in 

3170
02:40:17,400 --> 02:40:19,920
the vein of The Fountainhead or.
Hat of Shrugged. 

3171
02:40:20,120 --> 02:40:23,400
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 
So, yeah, guys. 

3172
02:40:23,640 --> 02:40:26,040
And then like I said, he was on 
the Henry Miller Tropic of 

3173
02:40:26,040 --> 02:40:29,960
Cancer, so that's available for 
premiumsubscribers@rarecandy.subset.com.

3174
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:34,880
Another excellent episode there.
So on that note, guys, if we 

3175
02:40:34,880 --> 02:40:37,240
have a safe week and we'll catch
you guys next.