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So I was, I was, I was rushing 
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with a fancy guest today as a 
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Guess I I put them out to wear a
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Neither of us. 
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a thing like that. 
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a little bit for the, for the 
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we have on that said, he's going
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construction. 
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a time for a podcast I'm like 
let me just like throw it. 

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Let me just try to make. 
Let me just try to make like 

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this time, sound safe, you know 
what I mean? 

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And then like it's always 
cutting to like I'm always like,

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doing like Keanu, Reeves and 
speed, you know what I mean? 

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Like, like I just like, I'm not 
stopping everyone. 

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Get out of my way. 
Yeah, I only get home and here 

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we are. 
I'll never go home because I'm 

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fucking broke. 
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police Ain't Gon leave me alone 
playing by the physically. 

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Rockne crypto told me, I should 
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So I packed up my piece and I'm 
sliding slide because we might 

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get caught up in a riot, middle 
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biting. 
Fuck I left fucking right. 

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As you ride to see those rocket 
can do politics, baby, we just 

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talk from the birds to the 
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We be in a mix with a rare 
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through it. 
Our guest is Max Blumenthal. 

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How are you doing, man? 
Good. 

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I didn't know this was going to 
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component because I always 
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Yeah, just on like whatever 
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So forgive me for the for not 
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Oh, come on. 
No worries. 

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We and you. 
Yeah, we did the whole Rumble 

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thing because we got I think 
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and got banned from you. 
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So it's we are going to get. 
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so like they kind of said like 
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like you can't say this this 
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that's like the mission 
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then so like I've kind of turned
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channel YouTube channel and then
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wish they don't they don't care.
They haven't said anything, they

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just said no child pornography 
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like you know and then then all 
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episode seven months ago because
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YouTube, the old ones, and 
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one's got to go to and they like
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Ivermectin, you mentioned, 
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Well, the title of the episode 
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Warriors, which I shouldn't have
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And then drag, I mean it pretty 
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the other episode was called dr.
Sanjay Gupta. 

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So I was like, you know, that 
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I guess they somehow, I think 
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likes those episodes. 
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I don't there's no way they 
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As long as you don't talk about 
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map. 
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Okay with that but not him. 
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Yeah. 
Grumble you guys because I have 

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like, you know, nephews not like
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and shit and not because of them
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man's a dark scene and that 
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what I mean? 
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have these like AI Bots that 
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Now Oh, it's fucking weird dude.
And it's yeah, it's like don't 

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like, don't go down that Rebel 
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depressing. 
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So yeah, I've seen that stuff 
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some disturbing. 
It's called Coco. 

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Melon. 
Coco melon. 

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Yeah, it's called Coco. 
Melanie was like, oh, they're 

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like these cartoons. 
That feel a i generated. 

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idiotic but after you listen to 
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your mind up. 
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Yeah. 
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Well, the ones I was seeing were
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and the girl from Frozen do 
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like, well fuck, dude. 
I'm like, yeah, yeah. 

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was like, why are you coming? 
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actual a Birds, who is so 
distinguished and just so loaded

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with credentials, who's been 
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going against the grain and 80 
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Empire. 
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Human Rights Council. 
I was invited along with my 

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wife, on your part and pill to 
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We had been there to talk about 
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For more deceptions and it was a
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So a lot of the kind of like 
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Came like a lot of the Nations 
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u.s. showed up the palate, the 
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Sahara, I mean, it was 
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Venezuelan delegation, the 
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propaganda on sanctions, 
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regime to reform and you know, 
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un official to do to be a 
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report on the insane damage that
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population in Venezuela and that
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then he was going to another 
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running through the halls and 
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the next as this just like 
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international law. 
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know, everyone's talking about. 
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is illegal and maybe, but 
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applied to defend all of the 
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non States, like Palestine, 
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That attended our talk sodas ice
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And so, I got back to DC. 
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the management of Imagery, which
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in Syria. 
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history of the u.s. using 
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undermine its geopolitical foes,
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starting in 1979 to Syria. 
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project where the US was 
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The CIA was arming Al-Qaeda 
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Washington, the Syrian American 
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version of the, you know, the 
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just hell bent on regime. 
Change, you want to bomb the 

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shit out of their own country? 
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this. 
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love regime change. 
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anarcho neo-cons. 
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They they just own it. 
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hate the state but they really 
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They're like the left wing of 
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were really into canceling. 
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all the blue check foreign 
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bookstore in DC, which is called
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politics, and prose is literally
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Pong. 
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It's like the elite liberal 
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liberal bookstore where, like, 
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Going to speak a few days. 
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Rice, drops books, they're like 
music every Elite political 

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figure in Washington. 
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Their and some, you know they've
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books, including a book about, 
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Gaza, which I covered in 2014. 
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bombarded with phone calls and 
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obviously, Lee, you know liberal
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manipulated into believing that 
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denier who wanted to eat, Syrian
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this one thing that particularly
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had done a talk with Alfred 
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Neo-Nazi. 
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What is this? 
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desires is? 
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mentioned it in our talk like in
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had done kind of groundbreaking 
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interest in West Germany. 
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developed and people were going 
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Examining WWII. 
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with the ghosts of the past and 
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war crimes committed against 
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their own soldiers. 
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to do this. 
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advocated on behalf of the most 
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Almost all of them brown and 
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all because he did that because 
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people or the Palestinian 
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paper from his past and painted 
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Somebody smashed the windows of 
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about all of the international 
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mearsheimer or Stephen Cohen, 
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Russia in the US and how they 
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absolutely destroyed for not 
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Russia. 
Putin is a psychopath. 

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We Must Destroy Russia and do 
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NATO, put wet a dual-use missile
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It's the only way to deal with 
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that they were pilloried. 
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is that, if you look at these 
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warning that this war would take
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every single one of them, your 
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on a primrose path to war and he
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He said that in 2015, When was 
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What's the timeframe for? 
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plugged into that kind of stuff,
but like I even I knew there was

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some tension there and like, but
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Lost his mind, you know, you 
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Breaking news will SportsCenter 
sound like you know, it's 

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insane. 
Like so like yeah, exactly. 

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How long has this been brewing 
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like yeah, it's crazy. 
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since the end of the Cold War 
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Bush's Secretary of State, Jim 
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Gorbachev who believed that the 
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and help him. 
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could help him reform into a 
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mean that NATO would not expand 
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country, East of Germany would 
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for us aggression with Weapons, 
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which would be significantly 
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strategic depth. 
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was giving up the whole Soviet 
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and Gorbachev thought. 
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Afghanistan were an oil crisis 
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Our population is in lines, 
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restive, you know, they see 
what's going on and the other 

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side of the The wall. 
And they want to be treated like

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You know, they want that they 
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this, he never got it in writing
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writing and even when they did 
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just completely violated. 
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that history, he was just like 
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He's one of the most hated men 
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management just looted 
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death died in the gutter, and 
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like, well, you didn't put it in
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decrease in pop in life 
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famine and stuff was in Russia 
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human history basically. 
Which is insane, right? 

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That's crazy. 
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don't know what I mean. 
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that time. 
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presiding over. 
It Yeltsin was basically a CIA 

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asset, a complete like a bad 
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He wasn't like a functional 
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Who could really like, Yeah, he 
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leaders, like they can use 
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with enemies. 
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sessions with intellectuals and 
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Yeltsin was easily manipulated 
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his brain was like, just like a 
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the u.s. stolen election. 
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Yeah, and he was just like, you 
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The CIA was sending jihadist to 
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Russia was just being bled. 
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It was a disaster and then NATO 
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systems and troops closer and 
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celebrating this miracle taking 
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The free market Miracle, while 
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is what this is like one of the 
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it's as big a crime as Vietnam 
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died excess deaths? 
I think lockdowns Our across the

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world particularly in the global
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not only because it's Justified 
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because we don't understand 
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people just dying when their 
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But that's what's happened, 
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They had a heroin crisis all the
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and that led to an AIDS crisis. 
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everything happening at once. 
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Yeah Putin comes in and the West
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the CIA is doing all these color
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they all have like different 
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Georgia and he was friendly with
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wasn't. 
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to hold. 
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was also a CIA asset was 
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like he always had this guy. 
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named Bruce Jackson with 
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He was just telling him what to 
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literal puppet almost and you 
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NATO, Fray becoming basically a 
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is, you know, is also basically 
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NATO operations and Russia is 
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By the time, Putin comes in 
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coming under de facto NATO 
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they had the orange Revolution 
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And this oligarch named Boris. 
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funded, the whole thing, and 
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Putin when he came in, he was 
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oligarch, who ultimately, you 
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He fled to Israel where a lot of
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they all thought, you know, in 
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Putin's and the great guys going
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going to be great. 
We're just going to keep this 

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whole project going because 
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He was like, the deputy mayor. 
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full-scale capitalists who, you 
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to the free market. 
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anything different. 
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and a Dresden Office of the KGB 
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There, he saw like his entire 
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overnight. 
Night, and it was just as tragic

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for him as it was for most of 
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and he was a nationalist 
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Threatens, the u.s., when it 
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Venezuela, China Cuba and that's
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communism or Socialism or 
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At the end of the day, the 
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nationalists and they want to 
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their people and that's what 
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Cracking down on the oligarchs 
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There's this guy mihail Carter. 
Carter coughs key from yukos 

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oil. 
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corrupt and wanted to just shaft
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The way berezovsky had just keep
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Put him on trial, put him in a 
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He like did this whole big PR 
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biggest. 
Most crooked corrupt oligarch in

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a cage on TV and they sentenced 
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Him. 
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The the west Western media 
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Sacco and Vanzetti or something.
It was like this, the worst 

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thing that could ever be done. 
He's abusing this heart. 

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This wonderful guy so hard. 
Ah, coughs key eventually, 

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leaves and him and his son fund 
the opposition to Putin working,

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you know, hand in glove, with us
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about him called like mr. 
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That came out on Netflix, that 
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know, heroic opposition leader. 
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making to the oligarchs, which 
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to work with the state or you're
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obviously didn't forbid Oleg 
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whatever. 
But if he's just like you need 

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to give give, you know, you're 
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control of the Kremlin. 
He's going to strengthen the 

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Kremlin. 2007, he appears at the
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which, you know, is a generally,
a neocon forum, you know, it's a

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formed a lot of leaders, get get
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basically, you know where NATO 
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Putin gets up with John McCain 
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number one sitting in the front 
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buddy. 
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And Putin says Enough is enough,
you went to Iraq. 

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You violated a country 
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You destabilize, the entire 
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And we are not going to take it 
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We are going to stand up for 
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shook the u.s. foreign policy 
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the big break. 
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Saakashvili, who I was talking 
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in Georgia, by the US As they're
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August 7th, I believe South 
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russian-speaking region that was
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Russia. 
And he thought he had the green 

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light from the US the following 
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And, you know, you can compare 
South ossetia to the independent

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republics the separatists 
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Ukraine. 
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understanding what's happening 
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He thinks he can do it thinks he
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then Putin comes in like hours 
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in hours later. 
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expected it and just wipes out 
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He's shaken by what had 
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chewing on his tie. 
He's eating his tie, and he was 

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completely discredited and the 
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After this, he wound up becoming
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Georgia, and we A legislator in 
Ukraine, because it was like the

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next, you know, next project. 
So that was another huge 

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breaking point where the West 
said, like we can't take this 

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guy's actually defending his 
Frontiers, like we want to 

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control the planet. 
I mean, and there was a doctrine

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that the u.s. was operating 
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Administration on every 
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After 9/11 is, Operated under 
this Doctrine and it's just that

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it's the doctrine of I don't 
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hegemony, but it was spelled out
in a paper called the project 

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for a New American Century which
was signed by. 

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You all know about this probably
was signed by like mostly neocon

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some Hardline Democrats and they
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article that spelled out their 
Doctrine benevolent hegemony 

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that the you I will be a 
benevolent dictator of the world

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and the two authors of this one 
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Yeah, boy, you know who he is. 
Oh, yeah, he's been embraced by 

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the Democrats, but he was a 
republican, right time? 

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Big supporter of the George W. 
Do you went where the win? 

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Where the wind blows like, you 
know? 

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I mean, yeah, he knew where to 
go. 

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Well, he you know, the Neo cons 
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they they, they're, they're 
trotskyist kind of, and so like,

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what trotskyist do they do entry
isn't like they, they Best 

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political movements, they burrow
from within and kind of take 

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them over, right? 
I'm start their little 

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committees and they raise their 
little funds and then they take 

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over into the Vanguard. 
So that's what they did in the 

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in the Bush Administration, they
got the that's a civilians in 

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the Pentagon, you know, 
wolfowitz and Richard Perle and 

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these characters Douglas feith 
but not then they they went and 

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bested the Democratic party 
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Democrats are actually the real 
war party like after Trump came 

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along and kind of did as America
first thing. 

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So you're bill kristol Cool. 
And then the other guy who I 

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think a lot of people don't know
but who's really significant is 

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another neocon named Robert 
Kagan. 

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Bob Kagan Bob, Kagan advised, 
George W. 

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Bush Mitt Romney and then 
Hillary Clinton he fundraise for

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Hillary Clinton. 
So again, he just Burrows from 

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with him and his wife Victoria 
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Right now is the top state 
department official presiding 

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over Ukraine. 
Russia policy and who are now? 

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Who is she? 
Who is Victoria nuland? 

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She ran a. 
She was a founder of a Democrat.

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Warmongering Democrat think. 
Tank in Washington called the 

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center for a new American 
Security fund but funded by the 

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arms industry, she worked with 
Tony blinken, the Secretary of 

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State and a who's who of foreign
policy advisers at this corrupt,

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little Consulting cartel called 
West exec advisors where they 

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would use all the connections 
they made when they were in the 

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Obama. 
Ministration to hump in 

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contracts for like Silicon 
Valley, firms or firms, like 

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they would help firms get, you 
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Market. 
They're completely corrupt and 

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Victoria nuland in 2014. 
Was the key figure presiding 

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over the coup. 
In Ukraine, that set the stage 

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for this war. 
She there's a phone call, 

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everyone watching this. 
Just look up. 

447
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:38,500
Victoria nuland phone call on 
YouTube Ukraine. 

448
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,100
Phone, call Ukraine. 
And I'd like the Russians. 

449
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,100
The Russian intelligence had 
tapped her phone and they leaked

450
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:46,300
the details of it, and you can 
hear her. 

451
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,400
And the US ambassador to Kiev at
the time. 

452
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,800
Jeffrey piete, piete, it's 
spelled pyh. 

453
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,700
ET, they were just deciding, who
would be in the next Ukrainian 

454
00:26:56,700 --> 00:27:00,400
Government after the coup took 
place, which the u.s. have 

455
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:04,400
funded Victoria nuland was 
seeing like, in 2012, there's 

456
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,200
video of this to online posting 
that the u.s. had contributed 

457
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,600
seven billion dollars to the 
Ukrainian opposition since the 

458
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,900
end of the Cold War and she's at
an ExxonMobil sponsored event. 

459
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,800
So she, she was like, handing 
out cookies on my done Square in

460
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,200
Kiev. 
When people were protesting For 

461
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,500
a change in for regime change. 
And she was like, handing out 

462
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:31,900
cookies, too literal neo-nazis 
who are the street muscle, as 

463
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,900
well as, you know, young 
liberals, who just wanted a 

464
00:27:33,908 --> 00:27:37,300
better future. 
So, 2014 is a real turning 

465
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,000
points. 
The Obama Administration. 

466
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,400
You've got the Neo cons in 
there, the Arab Spring and 

467
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,200
happened. 
So Obama toppled all these other

468
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,700
governments. 
The u.s. is just like, we're 

469
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:51,400
going to keep toppling. 
Everything and Newland comes in,

470
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,500
she's like on my Don, John 
McCain comes to maidan square 

471
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,500
with the Democrat, Chris Murphy 
from Connecticut and they give 

472
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:02,700
speeches telling people like 
topple this government, the 

473
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,100
government was elected, it was 
democratically elected. 

474
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,900
It was a democratically-elected 
government run by a guy named 

475
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,100
Victor Yanukovych, who, and they
call him pro-russian. 

476
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,300
Yanukovych. 
He wasn't necessarily 

477
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:22,200
pro-russian but he did get, he 
had the support of the 

478
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,900
population of Ukraine, which is 
russian-speaking and other 1/3 

479
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,800
of ukrainians or so, identify 
with Russia are mainly Russian 

480
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,800
speaking. 
And are terrified of the 

481
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,300
government that's been in Kiev 
since 2014 Yanukovych 

482
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,800
represented them, but he won 
with a majority. 

483
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:48,300
He was a corrupt leader for No 
Doubt but basically how he got 

484
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,700
defined as pro-russian, was that
the Europeans came to him with a

485
00:28:52,708 --> 00:28:56,300
deal along with the IMF called 
the European economic 

486
00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:00,200
Association agreement. 
And I was just austerity all. 

487
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,000
It was like what happened to 
Russia in the 90s. 

488
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,800
They're like, we're going to 
give you Aid. 

489
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,100
But you have to loot the coffers
of your, you know, loot, the 

490
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:11,100
pensions this hand over all the 
state assets and put in your cut

491
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:15,000
Social Services, and then 
Russia, countered with another 

492
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,400
deal. 
They said we're your neighbors 

493
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,400
were right next door. 
We're going to give you very 

494
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
cheap, gas to heat your to heat 
in the winter. 

495
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,600
We're going to lower tariffs. 
We're going to send you grain 

496
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,500
and we are going to like tighten
this bond between these two 

497
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,900
countries that were historically
linked. 

498
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,300
And Yanukovych said well I'm 
going to go with the better 

499
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,500
deal. 
And then overnight the 

500
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,200
protesters. 
The protests erupted in maidan. 

501
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600
Square. 
The Central Square in Kiev, do 

502
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,900
you, do you think the protesters
really were caring cared about 

503
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,100
the association economic 
Association agreement, or an IMF

504
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,400
deal? 
Know, they were being just 

505
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
flooded with propaganda through 
New Media stations, that just 

506
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,400
like cropped up overnight, like 
one station, one of the key 

507
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,400
stations that helped launch. 
The my Don coo is called 

508
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,700
hromadske. 
And it was launched with money 

509
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,500
from Pierre omidyar. 
Who is the owner of The 

510
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:11,300
Intercept? 
Yeah, the intercepts like what 

511
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,700
the fuck? 
What do midi are omitted as far 

512
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:28,500
as I can tell, he's a and like, 
what, that's why I and like, 

513
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,600
aside from Glenn Greenwald who 
left and kind of saw. 

514
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,400
Yeah, yeah, well years, what it 
was. 

515
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
They've like disappeared a lot 
of them and they disappeared the

516
00:30:36,408 --> 00:30:39,200
Snowden files what though? 
That's so great. 

517
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:42,400
I've only heard so many. 
There's so many insane layers to

518
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,500
this but we had to stay on that 
we got to just stay focused. 

519
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,500
Yeah. 
When he 14 this government comes

520
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:52,000
in They put some oligarch at the
top name. 

521
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,500
Yachts in New York or something.
All right, he's a billionaire 

522
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,700
technocrat. 
But the neo-nazis are a real 

523
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,900
Force because they may be 10, 
you know, they're ten percent of

524
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:08,300
the electorate supports them may
be less but without them they 

525
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,200
wouldn't have been able to beat 
the shit out of the bear. 

526
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Kuthi the the police that 
protected Yanukovych further, 

527
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,900
there was a massacre, in my tan 
square of civilians. 

528
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,300
Like 50 people were shot by 
snipers, that was a false flag. 

529
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,900
And those were they were snipers
he probably brought in from 

530
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,700
Georgia. 
But the, there were neo-nazis 

531
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:36,500
involved in it. 
Specifically, the character who 

532
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,200
became the speaker of the 
Ukrainian Rada, the Ukrainian 

533
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Parliament, Andre Peru, be who, 
you know, I've grilled him in 

534
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,800
wash, he's been brought to 
Washington. 

535
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,600
He founded something called the 
social National party like 

536
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,800
sounds like the National 
Socialist Party because it's 

537
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,000
inspired by it. 
He founded a literary of oxy 

538
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
militia called The Patriot of 
Ukraine and he's brought to 

539
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,700
Washington. 
But this guy was deeply involved

540
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:04,600
in this whole scheme. 
There's a professor named Ivan 

541
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,600
cut a czarsky from University of
Ottawa who's broken. 

542
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,500
The whole false flag operation 
down, but that's how they were 

543
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:16,300
able to be like, Yanukovych is 
killing his own people, and they

544
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:20,200
forced him into this deal where 
the police stood down, and then 

545
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,700
the neo-nazis raided, the 
presidential Palace nearly 

546
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,300
killed him and basically drove 
him into Exile. 

547
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,400
And then they went and fought 
this war in the East, where the 

548
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,700
majority Majority of the Russian
population was after massacring 

549
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
over 50. 
Russian speakers in a union hall

550
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,400
in Odessa, which is another city
with a lot of Russian speakers. 

551
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,800
They went to the east. 
They formed the eyes of 

552
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,900
Battalion which is the most 
militarily motivated fighting 

553
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:50,700
force in Ukraine there like 
they're the main force on the 

554
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:56,500
ground right now training 
civilians and you know, fighting

555
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,300
face-to-face with Russian 
soldiers. 

556
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,500
They are openly neo-Nazi. 
Their leader. 

557
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:08,500
Andre beletsky said, we need to 
destroy the the winter mention 

558
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:12,000
and create a future for the 
white race that he called, the 

559
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Semitic UND intervention in a 20
2010 sa. 

560
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,600
I mean, these guys are for real,
they have the wolf's angle 

561
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,500
Insignia on their uniforms. 
That's a Nazi inspired. 

562
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,100
It's a symbol, and a lot of them
have the Sun and grad, which is 

563
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,800
the black Sun tattooed on their 
elbows. 

564
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,100
And, you know, you'll see it on 
there, you know, on the various 

565
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:43,500
other like signage and whatnot. 
But it's not just that this it's

566
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:46,600
what they believe in 
slaughtering Russian speakers 

567
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:52,200
and the government has jailed 
the opposition leader who 

568
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,800
represents the russian-speaking.
In population, Victor 

569
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,000
medvedchuk, they have shuttered 
all of his TV stations, they 

570
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,200
just say oh well they're all 
Russian propaganda. 

571
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,700
They do not tolerate any 
opposition in Kiev. 

572
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,000
And, you know, this is this, is 
this guy, Vladimir zielinski, 

573
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,100
the TV comedian who came in on a
platform of making peace with 

574
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,199
the russian-speaking population 
in donbas. 

575
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:18,000
That was that had formed its own
militias and was fighting and he

576
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000
has completely surrendered to 
these fascist elements. 

577
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400
And like when you know, we hear 
the word fascist thrown around 

578
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,300
in the That's like whatever 
truckers or like, guys in 

579
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:31,400
Hawaiian shirts. 
Whoever this is for real. 

580
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,800
I mean, these are people whose 
grandfather's collaborated 

581
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,900
directly, with Nazi Germany to 
slaughter, ethnic poles to 

582
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:44,900
slaughter Jews to slaughter 
Russian speakers and they're 

583
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,500
naming Stadium. 
The name is stadiums and Roads 

584
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,600
after stepan Bandera. 
The leader of the main Nazi 

585
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,000
collaboration is force of World.
War Two, the oun be They've 

586
00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,700
named stadiums after and Roads 
and throwing up monuments, to 

587
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:05,700
Roman shukhevych, the leader of 
the UPA, the Ukrainian partisan 

588
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:11,400
Army that participated in so 
many programs, the l'viv pogrom,

589
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,500
I mean, it was one of the worst 
programs of the war. 

590
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,900
These are the programs of 
bullets, you know, they weren't 

591
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,700
like just taking people off in 
trains and it was, this is a 

592
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,100
holocaust of Bullock. 
Sorry, they weren't just taking 

593
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,200
people off in trains and then 
like exterminate NG them through

594
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,800
industrial means they were 
killing them one by one or in 

595
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,300
Mass Graves, like at Babi Yar, 
which is outside, Kiev the road 

596
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:35,400
to Bobby, our was renamed under 
this government Stepan Bandera 

597
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,400
Boulevard, 3 after spend are 
alike the key Nazi collaborator 

598
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:42,800
and then after WWII what did the
u.s. do? 

599
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,500
You know, Operation Paperclip 
and all these operations to 

600
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:50,300
bring them to the u.s. to set up
a Ukrainian nationalist Lobby. 

601
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,300
Me closely bed was a CIA asset 
who proves I did was involved 

602
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,900
there, believe in the love of 
program, just a Slaughter of 

603
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,700
Jews on behalf of Nazi Germany 
and he had a printing press set 

604
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,700
up for him by the CIA. 
Say in New York City. 

605
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,700
You know, if you ever go to New 
York City and they're like go 

606
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:12,000
down to 2nd Avenue, where the 
Ukrainian population is there's 

607
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,200
like a I'm not saying they're 
they're Nazis or whatever, 

608
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,700
although maybe some of them 
sympathize with some of this, I 

609
00:36:19,707 --> 00:36:21,500
don't know. 
But that's where his printing 

610
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:26,400
press was and I think it was 
called prologue. 

611
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,300
I believe but this whole history
fascinated me after 2014 but it 

612
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:36,200
also frightened me because I So 
where it was going got all these

613
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,800
Nazis and their clear about what
they want. 

614
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,100
Like they are clearly stay 
clearly say we want to slaughter

615
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:45,700
the Russian speakers in the 
donbas in Donetsk and luhansk 

616
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,700
which are these two republics 
that just declared independence 

617
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:54,000
that Russia recognized. 
We want to balkanize Russia like

618
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,600
divided, Russian, 25 countries, 
and just weaken it and shatter 

619
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,500
it. 
We want nuclear weapons. 

620
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,400
And then we want it, we want to 
march on Moscow and kill the 

621
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:10,100
muscovite judeo intervention 
like that's what they openly say

622
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:14,000
they want and then you got 
liberals in Washington who are 

623
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,200
like, yeah, we want to do this 
form of that. 

624
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:23,200
So your people, that we are just
willing to work with while we 

625
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,200
call the trucker's a bunch of 
Nazis. 

626
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

627
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,400
So you're watching this in real 
time because like I wasn't I 

628
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,200
wasn't And hip on Ukrainian 
Russian politics and 2014. 

629
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
And now this whole thing happens
and, you know, my whole thing 

630
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,800
with what's happening now is 
like, I don't know what my take 

631
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,700
is, I haven't done the research,
you know, I don't know what's 

632
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:45,900
going on and you see everyone 
line up behind Ukraine. 

633
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,800
And then you hear these murmurs 
of well, they're like they're 

634
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,500
huge percentage of them is 
neo-nazis, right? 

635
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:52,600
Or whatever you're saying, 
right? 

636
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:55,300
But you're saying it. 
Once I wanted to, he said, one 

637
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:59,300
third of the population was 
against in Ukraine was Was 

638
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:01,500
against what. 
Like that's a, that's a pretty 

639
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,200
large percentage of the 
population to be 1/3 of the 

640
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,800
population at least. 
Are there like ethnic Russians? 

641
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Tasty? 
Yeah. 

642
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,800
Russian in their homes. 
Yeah. 

643
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,900
Yeah. 
They watch Russian media, right?

644
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,300
Right. 
Hey watch RT. 

645
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,100
So they're stressed out right 
now right there. 

646
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,700
There their feet are to the fire
and this whole they've been 

647
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,700
stressed out. 
I mean that's what happened in 

648
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:28,000
2014 is a war started in the 
East where most of them live and

649
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
they wanted Not be part of this 
insane state that had just been 

650
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,900
declared, like their language 
was always an official language 

651
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,900
in Ukraine, and the new 
government in Kiev said no 

652
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:40,700
Russian is not. 
We don't want it to be an 

653
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:43,600
official language. 
You are second class. 5th class 

654
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,900
citizens, we hate. 
You want to show you that? 

655
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,700
We hate you. 
We want to weaken the Russian 

656
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:53,700
Orthodox church where you pray. 
They were there in so many ways.

657
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,300
They were just told that they 
were not part of Ukraine, but at

658
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,200
the same time that government 
did not want, Aunt. 

659
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000
To part with that land that they
were on because they wanted to 

660
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,300
exploit it. 
And so, they wouldn't allow them

661
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:12,300
to vote in elections. 
They were and these, these Lou 

662
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:16,500
constant Donetsk, luhansk and 
Donetsk, it's hard to say. 

663
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,700
If you're an English speaker, 
they are basically socialist. 

664
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:25,000
Breakaway Republic's that 
organize, their own people's 

665
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,500
fighting force and not 
socialists in the way that like 

666
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:33,300
the DSA and like Bernie people 
of socialist, they're like 

667
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:35,400
they're pretty hard, you 
wouldn't ask you. 

668
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:48,500
Like they are not like it. 
Well I'll get into that later. 

669
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:51,500
I mean I actually I'll get into 
that in a second. 

670
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:57,800
They took a stand and they died 
in large numbers. 

671
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Yeah, they didn't they didn't 
have like a lot of organization 

672
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,400
in the beginning but they did 
mobilize into a very potent 

673
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,600
fighting force. 
Yes, Russia. 

674
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:08,100
'He did support them but Russia 
was not there. 

675
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,900
These are ukrainians fighting 
ukrainians whose rights have 

676
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,500
been Stripped Away. 
And most of the deaths like 

677
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:21,300
14,000 people have died in 
hideous ways you know there were

678
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:25,800
there were reports of mobile 
mortuaries like mobile Body 

679
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,100
Disposal brigades to hide the 
deaths from International 

680
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:35,200
monitors. 
Just people being shelled in 

681
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,800
their homes. 
So many people losing limbs but 

682
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,300
14,000 of died since 2014. 
And according to the UN since 

683
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,700
2017, over eighty percent of 
those deaths have been on the 

684
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,100
ethnic Russian or 
russian-speaking side. 

685
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:52,000
So you have this giant human 
rights crime happening in a war 

686
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,800
happening. 
With people suffering who are 

687
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:01,400
basically stateless who are also
their leadership is saying we 

688
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,600
are socialists. 
They're fighting just fighting 

689
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,800
for their rights, I would, but 
they're aligned with Russia. 

690
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
So there's no solidarity from 
the DSA for them. 

691
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,100
There's no solidarity from the 
US, socialist for them, they're 

692
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,000
completely kept out of the US 
media. 

693
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,500
There are suffering, the killing
of them, and their children, the

694
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:25,100
shelling, Being completely 
ignored. 

695
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:28,000
And we only hear about them is 
just kind of like Russian 

696
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
separatist. 
So most Americans don't even 

697
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,600
know their Ukrainian. 
And that really is part of the 

698
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:41,300
reason that Russia intervened in
Ukraine was that the Ukrainian 

699
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:45,600
military had was escalating 
against that population. 

700
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,400
And I know, because I 
interviewed an American who is 

701
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,700
fighting with them from Texas, I
can connect you with him. 

702
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,900
He's a fascinating figure. 
His name is Russell, Bentley, 

703
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,900
you know, check out our 
interviews with him at the gray 

704
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:03,900
Zone, but, yeah, he told me what
was happening days before the 

705
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,900
Russian intervention he's 
evasive, is going to be a huge 

706
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:08,200
War. 
They're shelling us. 

707
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Now, with a grad Rockets, this 
hasn't happened like a bunch of 

708
00:42:12,408 --> 00:42:16,200
people were killed last night 
and Putin's going to go in and 

709
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,900
he's going to D, not safai 
Ukraine. 

710
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:19,200
And I was like, what are you 
talking about? 

711
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,600
Like this is like, I haven't 
heard this. 

712
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,900
And he was right. 
So just some more context for 

713
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,700
understanding and I mean again 
it's like it's not your fault. 

714
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,100
If you don't know all these 
details partly because I don't 

715
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:37,000
have a real job where I like 
work on roads or whatever like 

716
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,800
this. 
Yeah, I used to I mean I did 

717
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,100
work real jobs country. 
Can't wait to tell the guys at 

718
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,400
work tomorrow. 
And yeah, I just wait. 

719
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,300
Yeah, yeah, you just learn about
Ukrainian Nazis and you can 

720
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,700
quit. 
What is going on with the 

721
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,100
propaganda in the u.s. regarding
this? 

722
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,600
Like that's like you know first 
of all that was amazing. 

723
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,500
Like I've learned so much 
already. 

724
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,800
Yeah. 
I feel like I got some ammo now 

725
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,800
to kind of shell around right. 
You feel the same? 

726
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,900
Yeah, I think. 
Yeah, I know, I know, I was 

727
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:12,700
just, I was just wondering to 
how does like for, because we're

728
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,200
what really kind of chills me to
the core. 

729
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Even with the little knowledge, 
I had, you know, up until 40 

730
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,500
minutes ago of of all this stuff
was like Where does like Russia 

731
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:26,100
gate fit in on just 
manufacturing consent not to use

732
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,500
you know, a certain guys term 
there but and like where does 

733
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:32,400
Russia gate fit in? 
Because I mean it's got to be it

734
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,100
was open season on Putin where 
all you do is say was Putin and 

735
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,200
and the entire nation for the 
most part is like let's do it. 

736
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,400
You know, our let's let's let's 
save Ukraine and then all of a 

737
00:43:41,408 --> 00:43:43,600
sudden the same exact people and
we're going to talk over it in a

738
00:43:43,607 --> 00:43:47,300
second, but the same exact 
people who were just psychos 

739
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,400
about covid. 
Who wanted you to Die In Your 

740
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,700
House? 
Wanted you to die of a drug 

741
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,200
overdose excess deaths. 
All All that kind of stuff. 

742
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,600
Those people just, I don't know 
where dropped covid like the Toy

743
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,100
Story meme where and he's 
dropping the toy when he sees 

744
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,700
Buzz Lightyear. 
It's the exact same thing. 

745
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:05,000
They line up and they're just 
like, well, Russia gate that was

746
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,500
drilled into my brain now, covid
is seems to be dying down a 

747
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:10,800
little bit. 
Let's move on to this. 

748
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,600
Like I don't I feel like it's 
lazy for me to say that. 

749
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,600
Oh man, like I whatever the 
lives do. 

750
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,200
I'm just going to do the other 
the other thing. 

751
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,000
But like I don't even think I'm 
wrong. 

752
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,600
If I do, that's the sad part 
like, It's the sad part. 

753
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,000
So like where does the Russia 
gate? 

754
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
You know thing go in on all 
this? 

755
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,700
Like how how do you have any 
facts on that? 

756
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,400
I guess. 
Have you seen the meme that's 

757
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,700
going around where it's like I'm
for the thing the career thing. 

758
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,500
Yeah that one yeah like there's 
so much meaning in that it 

759
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,800
really spoke to me whether it's 
covid or Russia gate. 

760
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:50,400
Every day for the rest of our 
lives and really since 9/11. 

761
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,600
But I think Russia gate was a 
real turning point and the Trump

762
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,400
era. 
Sure. 

763
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,400
There's there's a thing. 
What do we mean by the thing? 

764
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,100
We need? 
What the historian and 

765
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:06,700
journalist Peter Dale, Scott 
called a deep political event 

766
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,600
and it's when a political event 
occurs and is presented to the 

767
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:20,200
public, In a way that allows 
Elite forces and malign forces 

768
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,700
to manipulate them in a in order
to achieve an ulterior 

769
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:32,800
objective, like the let's look 
at 911, what is the Patriot Act?

770
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,200
How did that come out? 
Like the day after 9/11? 

771
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Someone just sit down and write 
thousands of pages and we like 

772
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,900
bourbon? 
Yeah, search and seizure. 

773
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:51,600
In order to get there through 
which was the consolidation of a

774
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,000
massive Security State and all 
of that was put together by 

775
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,700
something called the free 
commission named after the FBI 

776
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,100
director, who is this real Law 
and Order hardliner under Bill 

777
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,400
Clinton Louis freeh. 
So they just put it all together

778
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,900
and then it's at there. 
Russia gate is the same thing, 

779
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:13,200
like they were just there were 
elements that the 

780
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,500
neoconservatives the u.s. you us
intelligence and National 

781
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:21,300
Security, State apparatus, sort 
of that it partly been 

782
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:25,700
constructed out of 9/11, but you
know, who's looking for a new 

783
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,600
Cold War? 
The diff the Pentagon wanted to 

784
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,300
justify its budget and then in 
comes the President, Trump, 

785
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:37,700
who's like erratic, he threatens
the Don't you know, he's not 

786
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:43,000
down with NATO, he humiliated 
the the Great White neocon Hope,

787
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Jeb Bush, and his family on the 
debate stage. 

788
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:49,800
I mean, he kind of he was hip to
the whole game in a way. 

789
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,200
He didn't even understand. 
He was like, I never remember 

790
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,900
the first Republican debate. 
He's like I donated to all of 

791
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:57,900
you, I donated because they were
like Marco Rubio. 

792
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,200
Little Marco said you donated to
Hillary Clinton, he said I 

793
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,100
donated to everyone on this 
stage. 

794
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:05,500
I did it because you buy 
influence in America. 

795
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,900
That shocked really. 
So they're like, we need to do 

796
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:13,200
something to screw him over, 
everyone had a reason but but 

797
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,600
the people who I think we're 
really driving the agenda. 

798
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,000
They just wanted to use Trump to
get it, Putin and Russia because

799
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,000
Russia was a counterweight to 
u.s. benevolent hegemony because

800
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,700
Putin had done all the things. 
I said he was starting to assert

801
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:32,000
himself and you have China there
as well and so that the Hillary 

802
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,100
Clinton dead-enders came up with
Russia gate as a way of 

803
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,200
embarrassing. 
Trump and there be there is this

804
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,900
convergence of interests that 
fueled this hysteria and 

805
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:47,100
generated, a deep political 
Event Event around the hacking 

806
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:50,800
of the DNC. 
Remember and the podesta emails 

807
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,900
and we still don't know actually
who is responsible for that. 

808
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,400
I mean, there's a theory that it
may have been a leak. 

809
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,400
And not a hack or huh. 
I don't want to get into that, 

810
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600
but no, actually, I do want to 
get into it. 

811
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:19,000
I mean, that was killed in such 
a suspicious way. 

812
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:27,600
Look, aside from that, it 
happened that That isn't this 

813
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,800
embarrassing information. 
Came out about Hillary's 

814
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,700
campaign and that became the 
basis for Lincoln Trump and 

815
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:39,500
Putin and convincing a large 
portion of America's population.

816
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:43,200
The most suggestible portion, 
the easily, the most easily, 

817
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,300
siop portion of the population 
that the president was 

818
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,700
controlled by Russia and that 
therefore Vladimir Putin, 

819
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:52,300
controlled America, that every 
bad thing, that happened under 

820
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,200
Donald Trump or anything that 
scared them like Charlotte. 

821
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:59,800
Jill was actually Putin's fault,
which was like the orgasmic wet 

822
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,300
dream fantasy of every CIA 
spook, like John Brennan, who 

823
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,800
was driving this whole agenda, 
former CIA director. 

824
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,400
So who is that psyop population,
the most educated, most 

825
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,400
affluent? 
Most erudite, most enlightened 

826
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,200
part of the population was the 
most easily psyops because 

827
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,100
they're the most tuned in to the
New York Times NPR Washington 

828
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:25,200
Post, New Yorker, and they it 
all became this psycho. 

829
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,300
Otic feedback loop of 
propaganda. 

830
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:31,700
And you know you have let's say 
you're a baby boomer. 

831
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,800
You grew up leaving in the New 
York Times And The Washington 

832
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,300
Post Washington. 
Post it, Bob Woodward was there 

833
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:41,900
and he broke Watergate and so 
they're telling you this is 

834
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:44,300
worse than water. 
Getting Carl Bernstein's on TV 

835
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:46,500
telling you. 
Yeah this is we've got to go get

836
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:48,400
Trump. 
This is about this is crazier 

837
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,700
than the story that I broken. 
All the Baby Boomers the liberal

838
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,700
Boomers. 
They all believe if the 

839
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,200
Washington Post and Carl 
Bernstein, you're saying it has 

840
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,600
to be true. 
We trust ya then but the people 

841
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,100
who didn't trust it, you know 
those are the people Like 

842
00:50:02,107 --> 00:50:05,400
listening to Joe Rogan. 
Now, these are even like the 

843
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,500
normies who are like, I'm an 
independent or the or the 

844
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:11,400
trumpeters. 
They were completely like 

845
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
shunted aside and nobody 
listened to them but they 

846
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,900
weren't buying into it. 
And so there's this whole 

847
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,200
portion of the population that 
becomes actually a threat to the

848
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,500
National Security State, that's 
where January 6 comes in, 

849
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,400
because then they rear their 
ugly head on January 6 as the 

850
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,200
insurrectionists and, you know, 
maybe Is behind it, but there 

851
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,800
are people who are following the
completely different line of 

852
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,000
media queuing on like, yeah. 
That's that's what they're into 

853
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,100
their into q and on. 
So we need to regulate that, 

854
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:48,400
that, that population becomes 
the target of the National 

855
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,800
Security State, after Russia 
gate kind of dies out and that 

856
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,900
provides the bridge from Russia 
gate to the covid hysteria. 

857
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:01,500
Because, if you remember, I 
mean, this is my impression the 

858
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:04,100
covid. 
Hysteria didn't the Covidien 

859
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,300
narrative. 
It didn't really come in until 

860
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:09,000
the vaccine mandates came in 
during the lockdown. 

861
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,500
So it's like we're all in this 
together, bang your pots and 

862
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:14,800
pans. 
Yeah, it was the vaccine that 

863
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:18,500
really divided everyone became 
like the partisan dividing line 

864
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:21,400
and it was deliberate because 
it's about further fracturing, 

865
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,100
the 99% between they created a 
new category. 

866
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:27,200
The unvaccinated who are the 
people who won't listen to the 

867
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,000
New York Times And The 
Washington Post and maybe the 

868
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,800
need to queue and on and the Who
are the compliant ones who are, 

869
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,200
you know, more educated and 
their aspirational. 

870
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:45,200
And so all of like its it just 
becomes this this sort of 

871
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,400
pipeline of deep political 
propaganda from one event to the

872
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,500
next. 
The drives. 

873
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:56,300
A portion of the population that
I think has the most cultural 

874
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,000
influence. 
Definitely in the u.s. 

875
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,700
completely batshit insane. 
And they need And then something

876
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:06,100
else was going to come along. 
I mean, the covid thing. 

877
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:08,200
You know, they kept it going for
a little while longer than I 

878
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,000
expected. 
Yeah. 

879
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,600
Oh no, it's pretty impressive. 
Yeah, I wanted to. 

880
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,000
I wanted that. 
Oh sorry, sorry. 

881
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,000
I want to know what the heck? 
I just wanted to ask you real 

882
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,800
fast because some II think it 
would be doing our listeners, a 

883
00:52:19,808 --> 00:52:23,900
bit of a disservice if I didn't.
But there is a lot of people who

884
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:27,500
have been, you know, I, we have 
a very small fan base but 

885
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,900
there's a few people who are 
just been like on this. 

886
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:32,700
You know what I mean on this 
from since the beginning And, 

887
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:34,300
you know, I don't know if you've
seen some of the sentiment 

888
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:37,000
online but a lot of the 
dissident you know, left media. 

889
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,700
I guess if that's what I want to
call it, a lot of them, you 

890
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:42,400
know, are kind of left. 
A sour taste in some of the 

891
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,900
truthers mouths by being. 
Maybe a little bit late on it, 

892
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:47,900
I've heard your name tossed in 
there. 

893
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:50,600
I don't know your Genesis of 
like covid true thing or 

894
00:52:50,607 --> 00:52:53,400
anything like that. 
But my dude sympathize maybe 

895
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,400
with some of these people that 
maybe some of the media class 

896
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,200
could have stepped in during 
school lockdowns. 

897
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,300
At the beginning, remote virtual
learning that we still Have 

898
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,100
masks in schools and things. 
Do you do feel like maybe the 

899
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,700
media was a little bit late on 
that? 

900
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,700
Or do you feel like having a 
bigger platform? 

901
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:11,300
It is tougher to speak out, you 
know. 

902
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:16,000
Well, I'm not, I wouldn't 
identify with the media class. 

903
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,500
Well, the comedian never let me 
know what I mean. 

904
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:20,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

905
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,500
The media class never went in 
the other direction. 

906
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:29,200
They were the enforcers. 
But from my point of view, yeah,

907
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,300
I came in, I came in when the 
Dates were announced. 

908
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:34,700
Okay. 
That's what I actually sort of 

909
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:37,200
act. 
I decided, yeah, I decided to 

910
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,100
speak out because I just decided
it was just completely unethical

911
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:45,100
and wrong and it was going to be
destructive and that it was 

912
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:47,900
going to lead to. 
I mean, I saw it leading to 

913
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:52,700
something like the trucker 
Convoy and then like the new new

914
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:58,900
security Crackdown and so, I 
spoke out should have spoken out

915
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:01,700
before but there were a lot of 
reasons. 

916
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:02,800
Why. 
I didn't. 

917
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,900
So like when I did start 
speaking out, I had someone on 

918
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:11,300
who was one of the first kind of
dissident voices on my show at 

919
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:14,400
Rahman CJ. 
Hopkins says, it's a way of 

920
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:19,600
saying, like, I'm going to 
platform these people right and 

921
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,800
use the large platform. 
I have that they don't have to 

922
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,900
give them a voice. 
And I can't, I can't, I can't do

923
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:29,700
it at YouTube, you know, you 
can. 

924
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,800
So I just started this life. 
Stream at Rahman. 

925
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,200
So that's what I've been doing 
week in and week out there. 

926
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,400
Yeah. 
But I never I didn't really like

927
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,700
switch sides like I never 
believed in it. 

928
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,100
Maybe I went like a week or so I
was like, okay. 

929
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,600
Let me see if this is Ebola or 
not, right? 

930
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,200
Yeah. 
And then I just kind of threw in

931
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,000
the towel and was like the masks
and like wearing some cloths 

932
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000
month on my face. 
Stop the spread, that's 

933
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,400
ridiculous. 
The lockdowns were obviously. 

934
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,900
Absurd. 
And what I did was, you know, 

935
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,700
because at the gray Zone, it 
wasn't just me like some 

936
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,300
independent voice. 
Like we were a group of 

937
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:13,500
reporters. 
I was an editor, who founded it.

938
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:16,300
I was overseeing the operation 
by was working with other people

939
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:20,600
and we had this mission of kind 
of our main bag was 

940
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,600
anti-imperialism. 
So we went to Bolivia to cover 

941
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:31,500
an election that reversed the 
coup we went To Venezuela 

942
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:36,500
repeatedly because Venezuela was
the target of a really ferocious

943
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:39,100
regime change attempt by the 
Trump Administration. 

944
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:41,600
And I think we made a huge 
impact there. 

945
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:45,800
And I was also able to see 
people like in the tropical 

946
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,000
region of Cochabamba who are 
just living life, normally and 

947
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,800
treating covid natural herbs and
talk to them. 

948
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,300
And it helped me kind of 
understand covid in a different 

949
00:55:55,300 --> 00:56:00,500
light, but I didn't speak out 
about the lockdowns and Leslie, 

950
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:03,900
like, if I'd been in Europe, I 
might have seen it differently 

951
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,500
because they were much harsher 
there or Australia and then the 

952
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:12,600
other Factor was that, you know,
you all I've listened to your 

953
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,000
show. 
I'm a fan. 

954
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:17,400
And you know, it's therapeutic 
for me to listen because you 

955
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,100
talked about having dip your 
toe, in the left or immerse 

956
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:25,200
yourself briefly in the left. 
Eye was like in the deep end. 

957
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:27,900
Yeah, yeah, probably. 
I still am like a hundred 

958
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:28,500
percent. 
Yeah. 

959
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,800
Yeah, yeah. 
And And the left had taken this 

960
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,300
demented position. 
Yeah. 

961
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:42,700
That that is that that covid. 
Restrictions would bring about I

962
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:44,700
mean this is actually what a lot
of them is thought and they've 

963
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,700
said in the covid restrictions 
would help bring about the basis

964
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:51,200
for communism. 
Yes yeah they thought the the 

965
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,100
original lockdown was a general 
strike, they got all the general

966
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:56,300
strike that would they would 
withhold their labor labor? 

967
00:56:56,300 --> 00:57:00,300
I'm not going back to work until
capitalism's over and then that 

968
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:03,400
they had to head to an 
irrational fear of the virus. 

969
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,500
And you know, I'm not not going 
to knock any regular civilian 

970
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:08,000
down for just being scared of 
Kobe. 

971
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,800
That's that's yeah, we're 
decision, but supporting jerk. 

972
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,600
In measures that did lead to 
these excess deaths as you 

973
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,100
alluded to in Russia and stuff. 
But like, led to that here in 

974
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:19,600
our own backyards. 
And now it's do you see excess 

975
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,600
deaths happening? 
No, there's no bombs going off. 

976
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,700
There's no, you know, shrapnel 
and like, stuff like that, and 

977
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,600
all these crazy things. 
But at the end of the day, they 

978
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,400
were teasing covid. 
As though there were going to be

979
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,700
Mass Graves underneath 
turnpike's in like the east 

980
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:34,300
coast and stuff. 
So they they were alluding to 

981
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:38,300
that too and and that and that's
kind of what I tell people in 

982
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:40,500
that sense to where they'll say,
you know, there's people that 

983
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,600
will say Like why can't people 
see you? 

984
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,000
Like, what you guys have been 
saying? 

985
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,900
I'm like, you know what? 
I think a lot of them do like, 

986
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:47,800
but the some of these people 
have huge platforms and it is 

987
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,600
their livelihood and I'm not not
talk about you. 

988
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,600
I just mean in general, people 
with big platforms that have a 

989
00:57:52,607 --> 00:57:54,900
lot more scrutiny than us, like,
for the longest time when we 

990
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:58,300
were first talking about covid. 
Being, you know, maybe not 

991
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:01,600
what's being cracked up to be? 
We'd like 60 listeners. 

992
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Like, yeah. 
I might have been generous 

993
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,800
there. 
Like it's like I did the idea. 

994
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,000
That one of them is going to 
Doc's me and get rid of my job. 

995
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,700
My probability wasn't very high.
So, I understand why that 

996
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:15,000
happens, but I do feel that I 
did feel the need to at least 

997
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,800
get an answer on that because 
like there are some people who 

998
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,500
are like, no man that if you 
weren't if you weren't on this 

999
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,100
March, 14th of 2020, like hi, 
you're a fed. 

1000
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,000
You know what I'm saying? 
I'm like that is a word. 

1001
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,100
I don't throw around like that. 
I just, I don't know you publish

1002
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,200
you published, if I'm get me 
wrong, our friend. 

1003
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,900
Jeremy Le Fredo. 
I mean, you're a brilliant piece

1004
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:36,300
of Jeremy. 
The Fredo who I think, is one of

1005
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:40,500
the best at just actual, like, 
you know, who the Spooks are. 

1006
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:43,600
Who, Who these people are. 
And there was a piece in there, 

1007
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,800
talking about vaccine passport 
technology and how impressive 

1008
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,000
that it is and stuff. 
And that's not something that 

1009
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,000
you put out there, you know, if 
you're scared, you know. 

1010
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,800
I mean, if you and if you are 
submerged in leftism, in the 

1011
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,800
waters of leftism, that is 
something that I've respected. 

1012
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,500
That was when you popped on my 
radar. 

1013
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,900
When we had talked to Jeremy and
I was like, man, this is cool. 

1014
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,200
Like, yeah, like this is cool. 
Also, I got to say, what got me 

1015
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,500
back on your radar because I've 
known you for a little while, 

1016
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:12,600
but what got me back on your 
radar was Be absolutely electric

1017
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,500
Jimmy Door. 
Max Blumenthal talking. 

1018
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,800
Shit about Noam Chomsky vaccine 
apartheid be. 

1019
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,900
Oh, I love. 
I will. 

1020
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:22,100
I listen to like four times? 
I think it's so great. 

1021
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:26,400
I believe that shit up. 
Cuz yeah, dude, I heard Chomsky 

1022
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,900
was was saying something and I 
found the video and then I blew 

1023
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:34,100
it up on Twitter. 
And, you know, that was that was

1024
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:40,000
that you read the official 
campaign, the manufacturing 

1025
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,200
camp. 
Consent campaign to demonize the

1026
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,100
unvaccinated and call for their 
deaths and Chomsky was 

1027
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:50,300
participating in it. 
So I just thought, you know, I'm

1028
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:55,800
going to face a crazy backlash 
for this but I can make a 

1029
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,500
difference here with with you 
know, my yeah platform and what 

1030
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:04,100
I've done. 
And what I want to do is just 

1031
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:09,500
throw myself in there. 
Take all the hits I can and 

1032
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:12,300
break the left. 
Since on this issue and I feel 

1033
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:16,600
like with Jimmy, Dore me and 
Jimmy, you know, Jimmy wasn't 

1034
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,700
always the way that he is now 
where he's completely red 

1035
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:22,100
pilled. 
I mean he's if it wasn't for 

1036
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:24,500
him, it wouldn't this wouldn't 
have happened, the kids. 

1037
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:26,500
I don't think the consensus 
would have broken in the same 

1038
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:32,500
way and he had been injured by 
the moderna vaccine. 

1039
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:36,100
Like so many people I know and I
and you know what shocks me is 

1040
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:39,900
that I know a bunch of people on
the lockdown left who are 

1041
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:43,300
injured by the modernity. 
Erna vaccine in crazy ways and 

1042
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:45,000
they just saw him earlier as 
well. 

1043
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,500
Yeah. 
Well, everyone knows name was 

1044
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:49,300
saying, yeah. 
They saw it as part of like, 

1045
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:51,900
it's almost like they saw it as 
part of this ritual, like 

1046
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,000
military service. 
Yeah. 

1047
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,100
Battle scar. 
I'm a veteran type thing. 

1048
01:00:56,100 --> 01:01:01,700
It was weird. 
Yeah, they told me in person, 

1049
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,500
and I would just be like, why 
won't you say anything in? 

1050
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:08,700
Like they will get kicked out of
their socialist organization. 

1051
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:13,200
They will lose the Artists among
the followers of their podcast, 

1052
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,700
like, whatever the left is just 
like if you think like covid is 

1053
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:21,000
tyrannical, like, take the 
Tyranny and then just like 

1054
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,800
bottle, it up and compress it, 
and then fill it up with, like, 

1055
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,500
a gain-of-function research, do 
gain-of-function research on it.

1056
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:31,500
That's the atmosphere of the 
left on covid. 

1057
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:37,000
It's yeah, insane. 
So I, you know, Jimmy and me 

1058
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,300
were talking and I feel like I 
helped him crystallize. 

1059
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,300
What he was going through and he
it's just honest. 

1060
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:47,500
He's just an honest person, he's
honest enough to say this is 

1061
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:50,000
fucked up and they shouldn't be 
happening and shouldn't be 

1062
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,100
forced on people and he just 
took it upon himself to do night

1063
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:59,400
after night of breaking down the
Covidien lies and he brought me 

1064
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,400
on and I mean in the beginning 
night after night and we, you 

1065
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,700
know, we're kind of like a 
one-two combination and I think 

1066
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:14,000
that started playing a role in 
And affecting the lockdown left.

1067
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Sense of confidence and what 
happened? 

1068
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:19,400
What I noticed. 
And, of course, there were so 

1069
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,600
many people that came before us 
who laid, the basis for 

1070
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,000
everything and who probably did 
a better job of breaking down 

1071
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,400
the Covidien narrative, but 
Jimmy has a million subscribers 

1072
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,700
on YouTube and you had like he 
has like a he has a team of 

1073
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:38,700
people. 
He consults it YouTube on how he

1074
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:40,200
can talk about. 
He's one of the few people 

1075
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,200
allowed to Talk about covid on 
YouTube because that's while he 

1076
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,200
he has so many subscribers, 
they're willing to work with 

1077
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,000
him. 
Sure. 

1078
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:49,800
It's like how Kim Iverson can 
say, what she says on the hill 

1079
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,000
because they has treated well by
YouTube so other people 

1080
01:02:53,008 --> 01:02:54,300
couldn't. 
So it was just an opportunity. 

1081
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:57,400
Okay. 
Yeah, we did it, we took it and 

1082
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,800
what happened was so many people
turned on me in the most insane 

1083
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,300
ways possible. 
I mean, we're talking about like

1084
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:08,700
Some some of the closest people 
to me. 

1085
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:12,000
Yeah, turned on me, but they 
could never face me directly. 

1086
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:17,100
None of them said, one word to 
me privately and none of them 

1087
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:19,300
would debate me. 
Yeah, well that's exactly what 

1088
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,800
happened to it was the most 
cowardly shit I ever saw. 

1089
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,000
Yeah, that's like the for a 
cowardly take. 

1090
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,300
So why not go about it. 
And what our leeway? 

1091
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,400
I mean, straight up, that's the 
Sam Harris. 

1092
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,700
Joe Rogan thing to, you know, 
that's his whole thing is. 

1093
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,400
I love that Arc. 
Do like him just talk. 

1094
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Shit, not like texting his 
friends or whatever, Sam Harris,

1095
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,500
but just calling him out on his 
pop podcast, whatever. 

1096
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,200
And I just wanted to say to 
that, I love the, I love the 

1097
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,100
tulle of even mildly critiquing 
Chomsky as, like, a, that's like

1098
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:53,000
a dividing line, which, you can 
know if you're talking to a real

1099
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,500
one or not, what some people 
just cannot critique Chomsky 

1100
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,900
under any circumstances. 
And it's like, what the fuck is 

1101
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:00,400
that about, you know, and it's 
great. 

1102
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,400
And it's like the second he's 
talking about, like, well, they 

1103
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,400
need to figure out how they get 
their own food if there. 

1104
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:07,200
Unvaccinated. 
And we put them into camps, like

1105
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,900
it's like yo, are you like, 
that's like as long in the 

1106
01:04:09,908 --> 01:04:11,800
fucking sand for me, dude. 
Like, I don't know. 

1107
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,100
So, yeah. 
No. 

1108
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:16,600
And I, and you cannot achieve 
accuse Jimmy Dore of being, 

1109
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,200
like, when he's on something, 
he's on it. 

1110
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,000
And he will not back down. 
So, and he's funny about it, 

1111
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
too. 
He still finds a way to be 

1112
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,400
funny. 
Like, that's why I respect that 

1113
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,400
a lot because, you know, you 
have like, yeah, I mean getting 

1114
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,700
back to like the, you know, with
the left on this, like, for me 

1115
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:34,700
like I, you know, I went through
an entire political Journey like

1116
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:37,900
from like 29. 18 to now like an 
entire likely lifetime of 

1117
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:39,400
politics. 
I feel like where I'm just like,

1118
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,300
oh, that, that's cool. 
I got student loan debt. 

1119
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:44,000
Like let's see, what's going on 
there, you know, like, let's see

1120
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,300
what why? 
I try to organize a union at a 

1121
01:04:46,308 --> 01:04:48,500
company once, like, that's 
pretty cool. 

1122
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,700
And then I'll, you know, I 
remember for a while like, you 

1123
01:04:51,707 --> 01:04:54,900
know, him and I we have drastic 
takes on a lot of other vaccines

1124
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:57,100
besides this one. 
So like you know, we were dip 

1125
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,200
our toe, and there were a lot of
people that were really, really 

1126
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,600
passionate on the left about 
They were they were they would 

1127
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,800
say that like you know they were
just really passionate about 

1128
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,000
pharmaceuticals in general. 
They would just get mad about 

1129
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,300
the accessibility. 
Okay. 

1130
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:10,000
That's fine. 
Yeah. 

1131
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,600
I think, I think a lot of this 
stuff should be accessible to 

1132
01:05:11,607 --> 01:05:15,700
everybody like that's I but yeah
I mean then the mandates come 

1133
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,600
and it's like we get back to the
to the to the Nazi stuff that we

1134
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,200
were talking about. 
It's like okay you guys are 

1135
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,000
carrying the water for Bill 
Gates. 

1136
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:31,600
Who does like gurbles level 
stuff and And you know all this 

1137
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,400
gross stuff in third in the 
global South and all that and 

1138
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,600
then you know you have your 
proponent of a Klaus Schwab 

1139
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,600
Society, who is a direct 
descendant of a Nazi and all 

1140
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,500
that stuff. 
And you feel like this is 

1141
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:47,700
somehow the the way the, the 
pathway to get to, you know, 

1142
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,300
what you want this, this Ultra 
epic, like, Reddit communism, 

1143
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:55,400
which I just don't, I don't see 
that coming, and they use that 

1144
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,700
as like this. 
This dollar bill, they can 

1145
01:05:57,700 --> 01:05:59,500
Dangle on a fishing pole for you
to like reach. 

1146
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,000
A chat where it's like, here 
take this vaccine where that, 

1147
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,500
where this much closer to this. 
And to me, I just reject the 

1148
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:06,300
entire framework. 
Now, you know, it's like, I've 

1149
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,700
showered so much on the left and
and like, yeah, I don't know. 

1150
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:15,000
I mean, when we talk about the 
left, like, what are we talking 

1151
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,500
about? 
I think we're talking about the 

1152
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:22,700
organized left. 
So, like, and then that and it 

1153
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:26,200
doesn't mean the Democratic 
party, although it's so similar.

1154
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,900
So often when I think of the 
left, I think of like this, B 

1155
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:34,700
soup of tiny socialist parties 
like sectarian little parties 

1156
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:40,300
that really know in the end that
they are not going to bring 

1157
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:42,600
about a socialist Revolution, a 
percent. 

1158
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:47,200
And so they'll settle for 
something that resembles 

1159
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:53,800
socialism vaguely that actually 
is, maybe at best Progressive 

1160
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,000
interpretation of the great 
reset. 

1161
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,700
And if you actually read, if you
actually read the great reset. 

1162
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:01,600
Yeah. 
It's a long and boring Jacobin 

1163
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,600
article. 
That's what class Schwab's 

1164
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,500
writing really feels like. 
Use the Buzz words. 

1165
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,200
They know who their target 
audiences. 

1166
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,500
Yeah. 
Klaus Schwab. 

1167
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:14,000
Blurbed Naomi Klein's book. 
What was it their book on her 

1168
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
book on the climate? 
No. 

1169
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,500
No. 
The shock Doctrine was actually 

1170
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,000
a good book. 
Covid is the shock Doctrine. 

1171
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,000
I know, but she's just like a 
Covidien Boutique left. 

1172
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,800
She's like the left hand of the 
great reset. 

1173
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,800
I, they're all like, it just 
doesn't seem like a natural 

1174
01:07:27,808 --> 01:07:29,400
trajectory, like, just take 
that. 

1175
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,900
That man, just take that next 
step. 

1176
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:33,000
Like, just follow the 
breadcrumbs, man. 

1177
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,600
It's now, just take that next 
step in and lose all your 

1178
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,600
friends and like, piss off 
everybody around you because 

1179
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,200
it's very, you know, everybody, 
so many people around me were 

1180
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,500
like locked down leftists. 
And what, what I mean where I 

1181
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:48,600
was going with this was I wanted
to say two things. 

1182
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:54,000
Like number one, it's just a 
personal issue for me. 

1183
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,600
A lot of this is personal. 
I mean, the politics is 

1184
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,300
personal. 
That's kind of what drew me into

1185
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:03,300
the Left in general, is just my 
own personal experience. 

1186
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:09,700
And you know, one thing I 
experienced I grew up in 

1187
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,800
Washington DC in the 80s and 
90s. 

1188
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,000
It was a black City. 
I grew up in a mostly black area

1189
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,800
and I experienced I did 
experience a lot of police 

1190
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,700
repression harassment. 
Constantly the cops thought I 

1191
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,000
was like buying drugs if I was 
driving around there because 

1192
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,800
there weren't that many white 
people driving around in a Ford 

1193
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,700
for DC and they would always 
harass me, pull me over we in my

1194
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,600
friend of mine. 
Who is also white we'd get 

1195
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,200
arrested. 
Just all the time. 

1196
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,399
Like like like like repeatedly 
just for driving around our 

1197
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,500
neighborhood. 
And then if we had our you know 

1198
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:49,500
any black friends in the car, we
just get pulled over taken out 

1199
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,100
searched. 
You know, they like the cops 

1200
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:56,200
would like search our grundle 
like, you know, play with they 

1201
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,500
like they put their like their 
hands up there. 

1202
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,500
I was a cop held me at gunpoint 
once because I reached for my 

1203
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,600
registration too fast, you're 
pulled over for no reason. 

1204
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,200
Why, we were turning a video to 
block. 

1205
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:09,800
Like Buster you know because 
like that's how old I am. 

1206
01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:11,700
I wasn't saying age docs. 
Yeah. 

1207
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:24,000
And then he proceeded to slam my
friend on the hood of the car. 

1208
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:26,899
Put his cuffs on him while I was
just standing there. 

1209
01:09:26,899 --> 01:09:29,700
Like what the hell is going on? 
Each threw him in jail for and I

1210
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:31,899
worry what movie were you 
returning? 

1211
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:33,300
Not skinny. 
Yeah. 

1212
01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:35,000
I was returning crash. 
Yeah. 

1213
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,500
I was just returning some 
videotapes, like, Patrick 

1214
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:40,200
Bateman. 
Yeah. 

1215
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:45,899
The point is, so police 
brutality for me and the George 

1216
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:49,899
Floyd stuff and all of that. 
Eric Garner, everything for me, 

1217
01:09:49,899 --> 01:09:52,200
it wasn't about being part of 
the left. 

1218
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:57,200
For me, it was just about me 
really not liking the cops 

1219
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,600
because of what they did to me. 
And my friends that same friend 

1220
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,000
who was arrested. 
He wound up being beaten by 

1221
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,500
Yonkers PD in the craziest in 
Incident where he did nothing 

1222
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:11,500
and they handcuffed him, 
pepper-sprayed him, three cops, 

1223
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:14,000
just beating him with 
nightsticks and then he was 

1224
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,700
charged with assaulting an 
officer. 

1225
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:20,400
He couldn't leave the country 
for years, he's put on trial. 

1226
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,300
I mean, it was insane. 
I can tell you so many stories 

1227
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:27,500
like this, and that's what kind 
of brought me into the left was 

1228
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:31,800
just that feeling of hatred of 
unjust Authority. 

1229
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,100
Right? 
And and, and I believed in civil

1230
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,400
liberties and so covid comes 
along. 

1231
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,700
I have my own. 
Personal experiences with the 

1232
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,100
medical system. 
I don't really care to divulge 

1233
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:45,200
them like now, maybe someday 
I'll tell the story but I've 

1234
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,300
been you I feel like I've been 
used as a profit Center for big 

1235
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:54,400
Pharma and not voluntarily. 
Basically you know thinking I 

1236
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,300
was like I had to like save my 
life and so I was immediately 

1237
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:02,400
suspicious when the discussion 
of a vaccine that's going to 

1238
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,700
vaccinate our way out of the 
pandemic and it's experimental 

1239
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,300
gene-therapy MRI. 
NAA that's never been used 

1240
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:12,000
before and I thought well it 
should be a choice and people 

1241
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,700
shouldn't be fired for this and 
I'm going to stand with workers.

1242
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,600
I'm on the left like stand for 
ya workers. 

1243
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,600
Rights workers going to get a 
gene therapy World Unite. 

1244
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,000
Even my two books on Palestine 
for five years, I worked on that

1245
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,300
issue, that was personal to us 
about being Jewish, like I was 

1246
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:40,300
raised Jewish and Washington DC 
and they told you, you know, you

1247
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:44,300
got to be a Zionist, you got to 
support this little apartheid 

1248
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,000
state, a few thousand miles 
away. 

1249
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,800
And there's some brown people 
there who are terrorists and 

1250
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,600
the, you know, that provoke 
certain questions. 

1251
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:56,400
So for me, there was never any, 
I was raised, of course, in 

1252
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,500
liberalism, like liberalism was 
Liberal education. 

1253
01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:03,900
Like, you know, multiculturalism
all of those things are part of 

1254
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:06,200
it. 
But but the left or the radical 

1255
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:12,600
left or the Socialist left, like
I just kind of gravitated into 

1256
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,400
that without knowing it or 
thinking I never discussed up 

1257
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,800
and said, you know, I read some 
marks today and I want to be 

1258
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,400
socialist, I've been reading a 
lot of theory and this is who I 

1259
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,800
am and I'm going to wear a red 
star and like yeah, that's true.

1260
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:40,600
So, I was surrounded by people 
like that who found this 

1261
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,700
identity in it, and when I took 
this position, that was a 

1262
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:49,200
personal issue for me that my 
medical decision should be made 

1263
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,500
by me, and I should have the 
freedom to do it. 

1264
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:55,300
And, you know, I should have 
informed consent and I believe 

1265
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:58,200
in my body, my choice, all that 
shit. 

1266
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,100
When I started that, those 
people told me that I am a right

1267
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:04,400
winger. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1268
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:05,700
This is right way. 
Yeah. 

1269
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,700
And Things will never be the 
same. 

1270
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:12,200
I mean, they and their they're 
lucky man. 

1271
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,100
They're lucky for this war 
because they're yes isshin was 

1272
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,000
just fun. 
Yeah, they could drop it like 

1273
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,700
nothing man. 
And and Mike I thought it was to

1274
01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:23,000
me like when I deal with like 
people who are just like Ardent 

1275
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,700
communist and stuff, I'm like, 
you know what? 

1276
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:26,400
That's that's fine. 
You've done, well, I'm or 

1277
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,100
reading on it than I have like, 
whatever that is what it is. 

1278
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:32,500
But like for me I'm like, okay, 
you guys really want like 

1279
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:35,900
because I've seen certain people
like say like we should do 

1280
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:37,800
door-to-door injections we 
should do. 

1281
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,900
I got I've seen psychotic stuff 
and I'm like blow darts. 

1282
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:44,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah release it in 
the water, put it in the food 

1283
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,500
supply, some famous one of the 
famous, most socialist podcasts 

1284
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:50,000
out there. 
I've said that before and the, 

1285
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,700
you know, all that kind of 
stuff. 

1286
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,100
But like to me, I'm like, are 
you not an American like oh you 

1287
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:58,500
know like I'm sorry we're like I
doing the Randy Marsh like this 

1288
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:01,000
is America things like are you 
not? 

1289
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,200
Are you not an American, like 
not value like just like basic 

1290
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,100
Freedom? 
Like at all, like I don't think 

1291
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:11,600
that's such a To me and like 
these are the people who like 

1292
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,600
wanted e-platform speech that 
they don't like and all that 

1293
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,000
stuff. 
But it's like, it always seems 

1294
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,800
to just kind of barely walk side
by side. 

1295
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,400
Maybe a little tangentially with
just straight up neoliberalism 

1296
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:26,200
like it also. 
Yeah, Marx was Pro body autonomy

1297
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,200
to? 
That's the thing, like for 

1298
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:32,700
anyone who's like Pro Marxist 
pro-communist, you know, 

1299
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:35,000
pro-vaccine mandate. 
What is it? 

1300
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,600
That I'm not on Reddit much but 
I've used it a few. 

1301
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,400
It's one of them being locked 
down, critical left, and I 

1302
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,100
haven't right up here, the pin, 
the top thing for, like a year 

1303
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:49,200
or two, has been marks on 
freedom of the press 18:42 is 

1304
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,200
not death, more desirable than 
life, that is a preventive 

1305
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,500
measurement against death, does 
not life. 

1306
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:57,400
Involve also free movements, 
right? 

1307
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,500
And it's like, so, there's just 
no Fox would even if you're 

1308
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,300
invoking marks, even not be down
with this shit, you know. 

1309
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,100
And even if it did, if he was, I
wouldn't care. 

1310
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,600
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

1311
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,600
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
That's my perspective on it. 

1312
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,100
Yeah. 
I don't know if you've ever 

1313
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:18,200
listened to Red Star radio but I
would yeah I would recommend is 

1314
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,800
everyone listening to this you 
should check those some 

1315
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,100
crossover. 
Yeah little cross over here. 

1316
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:24,800
Yeah for sure. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1317
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,300
I mean, you know it's a home for
for I think a lot of left people

1318
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:32,200
who feel politically homeless 
because of the whole covid issue

1319
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,900
and the and Canadian as well 
too. 

1320
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,700
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, Laila metre. 

1321
01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:38,800
And Alexander McCall. 
A, I mean they're friends of 

1322
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,700
mine and they actually would try
to take on the theory of Marxism

1323
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:47,600
and like, actually flip it on 
the head of the lockdown leftist

1324
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,900
who identifies socialist or a 
Marxist and like, they 

1325
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:54,700
constantly make the point that 
Lenin was always writing about 

1326
01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:57,800
Freedom as an ideal as the 
ideal. 

1327
01:15:57,900 --> 01:15:59,900
Yeah. 
But I'm not going. 

1328
01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:04,500
I just I'm not going to bother 
going down that road of theory. 

1329
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,900
Yeah. 
And my and my whole thing is 

1330
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,800
Okay, you know all these Theory 
leftist or whatever, I've been 

1331
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,100
on the wrong side of covid and 
all the chud's magically have 

1332
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:16,800
been correct. 
You know what's that about? 

1333
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,500
You know, there's something 
there that's really interesting 

1334
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:20,200
object, a basic choice of your 
boss. 

1335
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,000
I mean, it's like, yeah, you 
could like, I'm sorry if I see 

1336
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,600
where you're like, okay, do you 
want this experimental 

1337
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,500
gene-therapy, mRNA shot where a 
bunch of monkeys died during the

1338
01:16:29,500 --> 01:16:31,500
during the testing a, by all 
that's up. 

1339
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:33,900
Do you want this shot or not? 
And if somebody pulls out a book

1340
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,000
I'm like, yeah, okay. 
You lost like he's like what do 

1341
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,900
you want? 
You know I mean what do you 

1342
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:40,800
want? 
This is a basic decision. 

1343
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,900
Yeah. 
You haven't read the books bro. 

1344
01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:46,000
Yeah, the guy just like ladder 
those like big library. 

1345
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,300
Library swings over to those 
little Mark's and yeah, hang on.

1346
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:55,500
Who here is a coupe vicuna non? 
Why myocarditis is a socialist. 

1347
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:57,300
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

1348
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,800
No. 
It's because you think they fit 

1349
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,400
everything into like this 
intellectual procrustean bed. 

1350
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,600
That doesn't to the point where 
they can't actually Listen to 

1351
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,600
themselves, think independently,
or critically and all of these 

1352
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,100
socialist organizations have 
like leadership and these little

1353
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:19,500
kind of In-House intellectuals 
that everyone is supposed to 

1354
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:23,000
look up to and they decide they 
decided what the line was on 

1355
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,900
covid. 
Yeah. 

1356
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:27,800
And they decided it the line 
came in for some of these 

1357
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,600
organizations. 
After the narrative had 

1358
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,000
completely collapsed in the 
ruling class, had basically 

1359
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,200
given up on it and some of them 
were like, well, we just need to

1360
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,700
do what China's doing after. 
Like Ami. 

1361
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,900
Grounded infected, everyone. 
They're like we need to put 

1362
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:42,800
everyone on lockdown. 
Yeah we're all just trying to 

1363
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,700
doing they just stopped at. 
I mean they just like we're like

1364
01:17:44,700 --> 01:17:45,900
we're done. 
Like that's what I mean. 

1365
01:17:45,900 --> 01:17:48,800
Like essentially like I mean 
China in their own sense like 

1366
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,300
they're they have parts of it 
that are interesting, but a lot 

1367
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:53,600
of China, they weren't testing 
asymptomatic people for a long 

1368
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,200
time. 
Like I mean, it's like we we 

1369
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:57,700
this the leftist don't even know
what they were doing over there 

1370
01:17:57,700 --> 01:18:00,700
half the time. 
It's it's insane to me and I 

1371
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:06,100
guess, you know, I guess my last
question of the night for you is

1372
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:08,400
where like Can there be a like 
a? 

1373
01:18:08,407 --> 01:18:10,800
Like a left, right? 
And let you know, some people 

1374
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,400
say fake left. 
We do it with the PDF, like 

1375
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,100
Pfizer. 
Like some people say that, but 

1376
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:17,400
like, you know, the left a lot 
of people is just the left like,

1377
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,400
right? 
So we're talking about a left, 

1378
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,700
can there be after this? 
Can there be an actual thing 

1379
01:18:21,700 --> 01:18:25,500
that still has the name, the 
left and be for workers for 

1380
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:27,300
bodily autonomy for civil 
liberties. 

1381
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:30,100
Can that still happen? 
Because, you know, you see, even

1382
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:32,200
these people, like they'll be, 
I'm Anti-Imperialist. 

1383
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,700
Okay. 
Why did you give an app's a peep

1384
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:36,200
on John magufuli? 
Right? 

1385
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,700
Getting taken out in Tanzania. 
I didn't you, why didn't you 

1386
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:40,600
even utter a peep on that? 
Right. 

1387
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,300
So so I saw a leftist mocking 
his death even yeah, yep, yeah, 

1388
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:47,500
he was killing his own people 
without locking for not locking 

1389
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:49,200
down even though they didn't 
even know when you look at the 

1390
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:50,700
numbers, that's not exactly 
true. 

1391
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,800
You know what I mean? 
But like in there, I guess what 

1392
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,300
I'm saying, is this, can there 
be? 

1393
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:57,000
Can there be like a left after 
this or does it have to just 

1394
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,600
swing towards like a populist 
manner? 

1395
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,200
Like a more, just populous, man,
or maybe a different term or 

1396
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:02,200
some? 
Because I think that term the 

1397
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,700
left is just like, makes me 
shiver a little bit now after 

1398
01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:10,800
these last couple of years. 
Man, I wish I had thought about 

1399
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,100
this beforehand. 
I, well, I got something right 

1400
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:13,900
now. 
So, yeah. 

1401
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:16,100
Actually, it's a, it's a hell of
a question. 

1402
01:19:16,100 --> 01:19:19,400
I mean, I actually have been 
thinking about it constantly. 

1403
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,500
I talked about it with a lot of 
friends and, you know, so I 

1404
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:26,700
mean, there's like, there's been
like to there's been a fork in 

1405
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:31,100
the road socially and 
politically for me with people 

1406
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,500
where some people adhered to the
Covidien narrative. 

1407
01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:39,400
Turned on me, or give me a 
called shoulder. 

1408
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:41,700
Never said a word to me, never 
would debate me. 

1409
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,400
And behaved and some of them did
he just behaved and Despicable 

1410
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,200
ways and then, you know, other 
people who did talk to me about 

1411
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:58,300
it or open about it and I feel 
like we became closer and the 

1412
01:19:58,300 --> 01:20:04,100
discussion that we constantly 
have is, you know, it's based 

1413
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:06,800
around your question. 
And whether there's a place for 

1414
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:11,400
us in what is considered the 
left and there are so many of 

1415
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:18,500
these people That I know that 
they will coalesce somewhere 

1416
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:23,300
else and I think they are 
representative of a brain drain 

1417
01:20:23,300 --> 01:20:27,400
in the left that the left has 
become so oppressive and so 

1418
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:32,500
hostile to any independent or 
critical thinking that 

1419
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:37,200
complicates the objectives of 
the like influencers who 

1420
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,200
dominate it and the followers 
who just act like a Parrot 

1421
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Jungle and just repeat. 
Pete received wisdom without 

1422
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,700
thinking about it or who can't 
just like, listen to their 

1423
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:49,800
hearts, like the trumpeters on 
covid. 

1424
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,200
Or I mean, I don't even know if 
they're that rompers just like a

1425
01:20:53,208 --> 01:20:56,400
lot of just a lot of normies 
like middle-class normies. 

1426
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,300
I know like did their own 
research and realized. 

1427
01:20:58,300 --> 01:21:01,400
Yeah they're not on board, they 
can't do that. 

1428
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:05,100
It's partly and they need that 
identity so badly to be in the 

1429
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:07,700
left. 
Those other people I think are 

1430
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,900
more courageous. 
More critical more critically 

1431
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:21,200
critically Minded and more 
willing to join forces with the 

1432
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:29,700
actual masses, who may not. 
Uphold all of the not, all of 

1433
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:33,000
the same, you know, cultural 
tendencies that we consider an 

1434
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,500
enlightened. 
And, you know, it was actually 

1435
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:42,300
impressive or or reassuring to 
see how much left support there 

1436
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:45,200
was or support there was among 
individual leftist. 

1437
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,400
I know for the Canadian 
truckers, they were willing to 

1438
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,300
overlook the, you know, we're 
supposed to look down at 

1439
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:55,900
patriotism or displays of 
nationalism or large groups of 

1440
01:21:56,100 --> 01:22:00,700
White people. 
And they just overlooked all 

1441
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:03,500
that and saw what it was really 
about and how these people were 

1442
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:08,500
actually standing in the way of 
extremely dangerous agenda, 

1443
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:12,900
which is global technocracy, 
which is, I think a component of

1444
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:16,100
imperialism. 
So there are so many people who 

1445
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:18,500
tell me, they feel politically 
homeless who are asking this 

1446
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:21,000
question. 
That glad you asked it, you 

1447
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,700
know, is there a place for is 
there actually a left and I 

1448
01:22:25,708 --> 01:22:27,300
don't know. 
Where they're going to wind up. 

1449
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,900
There are enough of them to give
me some. 

1450
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:38,200
Give me some hope, but I just 
don't really Care if there is a 

1451
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:43,000
left or not in the u.s. 
I wanted to say another thing 

1452
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,800
which is like with the it's 
interesting. 

1453
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,000
Watching a lot of, you know, 
hardcore, anti-imperialists 

1454
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,800
react to the Russian 
intervention in Ukraine. 

1455
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,600
Yeah. 
The it kind of reminds it. 

1456
01:22:57,300 --> 01:22:59,700
It kind of reminds me of their 
positions. 

1457
01:22:59,700 --> 01:23:02,900
They've taken on covid and these
are all again people who 

1458
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:08,400
participate in organized left. 
Both factions where there's like

1459
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,200
a leadership and a line and like
there's all these Zoom calls 

1460
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:17,500
like they're constantly unzoom 
calls and you know if you 

1461
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:20,400
diverge from the line then you 
are a pariah a you're kicked 

1462
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:21,500
out. 
Yeah. 

1463
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:25,000
And they were so terrified of 
what Putin did. 

1464
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,200
I mean, they were shocked and 
they all feel like so many of 

1465
01:23:29,208 --> 01:23:33,400
them have to issue these 
flamboyant denunciations of it 

1466
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:36,800
in order to appear in public or 
Take the reputation. 

1467
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:39,400
It doesn't Putin, doesn't care 
what we think in America. 

1468
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,500
Obviously, Russia doesn't care. 
If we can't, we have no power to

1469
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:46,100
affect Russia or Putin. 
We can only affect our own 

1470
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:48,800
government. 
So what is the point of doing 

1471
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,800
that? 
But they're, they're all doing 

1472
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,500
it and at the same time, they're
calling to abolish an end NATO. 

1473
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:58,400
So I feel ya arable. 
I feel horrible about all the 

1474
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,500
Ukrainian civilians, who have 
been killed, who will be killed.

1475
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:04,600
It's going to get ugly. 
I want the war to end now. 

1476
01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:09,800
But what Putin is doing is 
getting up and Nate and NATO's 

1477
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:14,100
face then giving it the finger. 
I mean, in smashing it in the 

1478
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:16,400
face maybe it's actually going 
to work out. 

1479
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,500
Well for NATO I mean that is a 
debate that needs to be had. 

1480
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:24,300
But how did these people think 
NATO is going to be abolished or

1481
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:25,800
ended a rolled back? 
Yeah. 

1482
01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:28,100
Like what's going to happen? 
That's a suit. 

1483
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:31,400
Is it going to be ended through?
Zoom meetings and defeats and 

1484
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,200
podcast? 
Yeah, I don't think so. 

1485
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,800
Yeah. 
We're doing been we're ya hate. 

1486
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:43,600
Oh yeah people listen to us and 
we organized enough college, 

1487
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,100
students Yayo, see supporters, 
correct line then we need a 

1488
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,600
fifteen dollar, minimum wage and
Ukraine is what we need. 

1489
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:52,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1490
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:57,500
Yeah. 
I yes, ask for basic income if 

1491
01:24:57,500 --> 01:25:03,600
you crave. 
So it's not about it's not about

1492
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,900
support. 
I support Putin in The, you 

1493
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:08,900
know, cheer for the Russian 
intervention, it's just about 

1494
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:14,200
recognizing reality that the 
future of NATO will be decided 

1495
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:19,300
by force whether its military 
force or financial Force. 

1496
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,900
That's how this transition is 
coming about. 

1497
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,200
And it's funny to just or it's 
revealing to see people. 

1498
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:30,700
Just so unable to stomach that 
reality who say day in and day 

1499
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:32,600
out that NATO needs to be 
destroyed. 

1500
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:35,200
Yeah, well, because there are a 
lot of there. 

1501
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,300
Hazard in theory, right? 
Like it's just like in theory, I

1502
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:40,900
want this to happen in theory. 
I want this to happen. 

1503
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:43,900
However, you know, when it's 
time to actually make a decision

1504
01:25:43,900 --> 01:25:46,100
when it's time to act. 
Well, I'm just going to do 

1505
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:48,800
nothing that I don't know, I 
didn't watch, but it's on CNN 

1506
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,100
and that's the thing I did, 
right? 

1507
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:52,000
Like, it's the exact same 
talking point. 

1508
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,800
What I've noticed from a lot of 
leftist is that they are so 

1509
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,000
scared to even be. 
I mean, and you you've 

1510
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,400
encountered this with your covid
stuff was like, you know, to 

1511
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,800
just be associated with anything
right wing in the slightest. 

1512
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,000
Yeah. 
Like is worse than anything. 

1513
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,000
It's worse than anything you 
crane could be doing. 

1514
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,400
It's worse than anything. 
It's just if I'm associated with

1515
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,000
right-wing, that's it. 
Which I'm sorry. 

1516
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,000
That's that's liberalism in my 
in my point that's you have the 

1517
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,100
of adopted what the most staunch
liberals believe is just being 

1518
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:22,700
so scared of the right wing. 
When in reality, someone like me

1519
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,000
I was organizing a union at a 
company a long time ago, and 

1520
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,400
there it was, there were right 
Wingers in it with me, I'm 

1521
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:29,700
sorry. 
Like they're just words like 

1522
01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:32,300
these were people that realize 
what was best for them and then,

1523
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,000
you know, for me, I go to work 
tomorrow. 

1524
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,400
Going to be working with a 
couple guys. 

1525
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,900
Have Trump stickers on their 
truck, it's going to happen and 

1526
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:41,200
I'm in California, like it's 
going to happen, and the fact 

1527
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,200
that they're so scared to even 
just like, not even extend an 

1528
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,000
olive branch, but even just 
coexist with these people and 

1529
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,500
just maybe find a little bit of 
a common ground, is such a red 

1530
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:53,200
flag to me that I am kind of 
just like well you know what? 

1531
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,100
If there is a left I mean it's 
just going to be like a, like I 

1532
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:57,900
said, it's going to be 
liberalism with the distortion 

1533
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,000
pedal that just has like so many
cooler and cooler, you know what

1534
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,200
I mean? 
Like that's that's what that 

1535
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,300
that might be what ends up 
happening like. 

1536
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:08,900
And so, you know, at the end of 
the day, like I just say, like 

1537
01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:11,300
man, like make the decision 
that's best for you, you apply 

1538
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:12,700
under. 
I think most people know what's 

1539
01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:14,400
best for them. 
I just think they're scared of 

1540
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,400
the association that comes with 
making that decision. 

1541
01:27:16,700 --> 01:27:20,300
And so, yeah, that's a great 
point. 

1542
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,100
I mean, liberalism with the 
distortion pedal, what we see is

1543
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:29,600
in times of Crisis, whether it's
this war or, you know, which 

1544
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,400
affects right I mean most 
Americans don't care about it 

1545
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,000
right now but they'll feel it in
terms of higher gas, prices and 

1546
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,000
food prices. 
Yeah. 

1547
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:43,100
Europe is Europe is fucked. 
But they the last, the people 

1548
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:46,900
who really, I see themselves as 
left is in a crisis, they 

1549
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:50,400
default to the liberal consensus
because they're whenever there's

1550
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,800
a crisis, there's this fear that
the fascists are going to take 

1551
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,800
over somehow. 
Yeah, that that that means like 

1552
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,400
at the end of every election 
cycle, the Third Party candidate

1553
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,700
has to be disappeared. 
And everybody needs to just vote

1554
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:08,700
for the At that, we hate because
the fashion still take over. 

1555
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:13,800
So that's the role that fascism 
plays is is disciplining 

1556
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:19,000
domesticating and neutering the 
left so that it always defaults 

1557
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,400
to liberalism. 
And then you just you look at I 

1558
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:26,300
mean you also made another good 
point which is about fiery. 

1559
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:32,600
I'll so many of these so many 
Increasingly. 

1560
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,200
I see so many people in really 
involved. 

1561
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,800
Deeply immersed in left 
organizing, whose lives are kind

1562
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:43,800
of like a theory. 
They before the lockdown many 

1563
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,200
people like the you have this 
laptop class whose lives were on

1564
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,300
lockdown. 
Yeah, so the lockdown just 

1565
01:28:49,300 --> 01:28:54,700
formalized their life as it was 
justified their sedentary kind 

1566
01:28:54,700 --> 01:28:58,400
of morbid shut in lifestyle and 
paid them to do it. 

1567
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,200
So they just we're having the 
time of their lives. 

1568
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:08,000
Yeah, they create a Persona 
online. 

1569
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,600
That's very different from the 
person in real life who's much 

1570
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,600
more aggressive and bold or may 
even have a different name and 

1571
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,800
that's the person they want to 
be. 

1572
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:25,300
But when War crisis comes that 
Fades away the the simulacra, 

1573
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:29,600
the Persona and it just all gets
boiled down to the cold hard 

1574
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,200
reality and it terrifies the 
shit out of them. 

1575
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:35,400
Yeah. 
So what kind of change can those

1576
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:40,000
kind of people actually effect? 
That's why I distinguished like 

1577
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,200
the Socialist have done Bass 
from the Socialists of light 

1578
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,700
burning movement is those people
get out in the physical world 

1579
01:29:46,700 --> 01:29:50,300
with rifles and affect the 
chain, the change, they need to 

1580
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:54,400
see which is independent 
sovereignty fighting for their 

1581
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,400
for their nation and their 
families. 

1582
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,400
That's what like Russell Bentley
always talks about. 

1583
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,800
Russell Bentley, who fought with
the Nova Russian army in the 

1584
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,800
essence of time. 
Italian. 

1585
01:30:08,900 --> 01:30:11,900
It's a battalion named for a 
communist faction called essence

1586
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:15,000
of time, which is a Russian 
Communist party. 

1587
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,600
And he said, you know, he was, 
he would go to these socialist 

1588
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,100
meetings in the US and it was 
just a joke to him and, you 

1589
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:26,900
know, he found the real 
socialist reality on the 

1590
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:30,100
battlefield there. 
I'm not saying that's my deal. 

1591
01:30:30,500 --> 01:30:34,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a 
very tall different but it's 

1592
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:36,300
their LARP. 
You know what I mean? 

1593
01:30:36,300 --> 01:30:38,100
It's like, it's these people are
pure. 

1594
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,400
Yeah, so it's like, you know, do
it, if you're going to do it, 

1595
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,200
like, let me see it. 
Like, I, I need, I'm not 

1596
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,700
personally an organizer, but if 
I see something that I like, 

1597
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,400
I'll jump on, you know what I 
mean? 

1598
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,400
I'll jump on, I'll promote it. 
We have okay audience, I guess 

1599
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,200
like we. 
Well yeah, promote it and stuff,

1600
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,400
but I don't see any that, I just
see retracting into like a 

1601
01:30:55,407 --> 01:30:57,400
turtle shell of like lurk 
liberalism. 

1602
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,400
Like, on that note I got to ask 
you guys, what do you think 

1603
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:04,000
about the like the Reddit Bros 
signing up for the Ukrainian 

1604
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,100
Army going on halfway across the
world to? 

1605
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,900
What do you think about this 
whole Is that real? 

1606
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:10,100
Is that They're living it. 
Yeah. 

1607
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:12,400
Yeah, it's okay sighs. 
Yeah, it's probably just I've 

1608
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,700
seen a lot of like, you know, 
creative but you know, I don't 

1609
01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:18,300
know what's up with that. 
But yeah, yeah, I think a lot of

1610
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:22,500
it is like might be fake just to
encourage people to ya to sign 

1611
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:26,800
up here and you know, maybe they
should do it because they 

1612
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,900
probably won't come back and I 
don't really want. 

1613
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,800
Yeah, I don't want them into 
space. 

1614
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,300
Yeah, hey just handle that but 
yeah, I'll be here until yeah 

1615
01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:38,100
handle that. 
Go run it at e92. 

1616
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,900
Tank with handle it. 
Well, may I really appreciate. 

1617
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:44,300
I really appreciate you coming 
on man. 

1618
01:31:44,300 --> 01:31:46,700
Like that was I was a really 
good talk. 

1619
01:31:46,700 --> 01:31:47,500
I'll talk. 
Thank you. 

1620
01:31:47,508 --> 01:31:48,700
Yeah, it was fine. 
You off that. 

1621
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:51,700
You have to come back on some 
time, let everyone know where 

1622
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:53,600
they can find you and find your 
work. 

1623
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,200
In case, I'm sure most of our 
audience knows already, but just

1624
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,000
just in case. 
Well, they can't everybody knows

1625
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,800
where to find me except in real 
life. 

1626
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,800
So, oh, yeah, that's the point. 
Just look up my name and you'll 

1627
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,100
see stuff. 
You'll see like, my Wikipedia 

1628
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:09,900
page is like a cult The 
collection of insane. 

1629
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:12,600
Smears. 
I'm on. 

1630
01:32:12,700 --> 01:32:15,800
I'm on Twitter and the gray 
zone.com. 

1631
01:32:16,300 --> 01:32:20,100
And, you know, we have a YouTube
channel, The Gray Zone just 

1632
01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:22,700
search The Gray Zone. 
We have seen really good, good 

1633
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:29,200
live streams and oh, ya Rahman. 
Just look up my name on Rahman. 

1634
01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:32,000
That's like, we're all the covid
related stuff is. 

1635
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:36,100
Yeah. 
And I'm gonna try to have Jeremy

1636
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:38,100
on soon jeremy'll, afraid. 
Oh, he's late. 

1637
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,400
He said he's embedded with the 
u.s. trucker Convoy and I meant,

1638
01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:45,200
I meant to mention this. 
I meant to mention this sounds 

1639
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,200
weird after talking for an hour 
and a half. 

1640
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,400
And I was just, I think I might,
I told you Glenn before we were 

1641
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:57,600
recording, but I was just on 
Capitol Hill here in DC, and 

1642
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,100
there was a giant NYPD bus for 
prisoners, like a prisoner bus 

1643
01:33:01,700 --> 01:33:05,200
and NYPD and National Guard in 
the streets and National Guard 

1644
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,300
trucks. 
And like their bulldozers there.

1645
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,600
And I Talk to an NYPD officer. 
I'm going to Tweet out the video

1646
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,200
in a second. 
It was wild. 

1647
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,500
It was like I felt like I was in
New York talking to him. 

1648
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:17,300
He was like I said, why are you 
here? 

1649
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:19,500
And he's like what we're here 
for the state of the union and 

1650
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:23,300
the trucka Convoy, it's called 
The People's Convoy and I said, 

1651
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:25,600
are they a national security 
threat or something? 

1652
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,700
And he's like, no, basically 
we're going to they're going to 

1653
01:33:29,700 --> 01:33:32,800
stop them before they get into 
the city but we think a few 

1654
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:37,100
might break through and slip in.
So we're here for that and I was

1655
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:40,900
thinking like okay I thought the
people Convoy was going to come 

1656
01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:44,000
to DC and I have a peaceful 
protest with like, a few 

1657
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,800
thousand people at best and then
just go away. 

1658
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,100
But your sounds like you're 
describing some kind of January 

1659
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:56,300
6th, I'll trap. 
And why is the NYPD and 

1660
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:58,200
Washington? 
D.c. like the whole thing was so

1661
01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:59,300
wild. 
Yeah. 

1662
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,900
So I definitely am going to, I'm
going to talk to Jeremy. 

1663
01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:05,800
It Rock fan about that hopefully
soon. 

1664
01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:06,900
So check. 
Check. 

1665
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:09,400
Absolutely. 
Check out my stream and and, and

1666
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,200
thanks again. 
I mean, I found out about your 

1667
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:12,800
show. 
I think I found out about it 

1668
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,400
through Jeremy and I would make 
sense. 

1669
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:15,200
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1670
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,800
I've been listening ever since. 
I've got a lot of friends into 

1671
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,500
it. 
One friend of mine was like I 

1672
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:23,300
like these guys they don't do. 
They're not like all like ironic

1673
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:26,600
all the time like Chapo. 
Like I don't I've also been 

1674
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,300
really Earnest like it's like 
it's not a character. 

1675
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:31,900
I hate it, I hate it. 
But yeah, so that's the I 

1676
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:34,000
appreciate it. 
Thank you for spreading the word

1677
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,200
for us. 
He's at kryptos. 

1678
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,000
I-i'm at Glen Rockne, the 
podcast is at rare candy pod 

1679
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,400
one. 
If you're here for Max, I hope 

1680
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:41,400
you stick around for the other 
stuff. 

1681
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:46,600
Duff and I have to show a sports
show, unrelated to this, it's 

1682
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,400
called Patriot, it's called the 
back wall, patreon.com slash the

1683
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,800
back wall. 
We watch old sports games and 

1684
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,500
talk about the time that it took
place and all that kind of 

1685
01:34:55,508 --> 01:34:58,100
stuff. 
And yeah. 

1686
01:34:58,100 --> 01:35:00,100
Listen to car crash to shout out
to my guys car crash. 

1687
01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:01,300
Yeah. 
Alright. 

1688
01:35:01,300 --> 01:35:03,200
Alright guys, have a good one. 
Thanks Max. 

1689
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:04,700
All right, thanks Max. 
I appreciate it. 

1690
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:05,400
Thanks 
a