1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,120 Corporate crash out? Will you cash in or crash out? 2 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,520 Katie, do you read books? Not really. 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,760 I try. I always get some from like 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Barnes and Noble and I keep getting them but I don't really 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,800 read them so. What kind of books do you buy? 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,040 Like are you buying like like a ROM com? 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,520 Are you buying like a thriller? Are you buying like weird self 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,280 help books that are like make $1,000,000 before you're 23? 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,480 None of those, actually. I have figured that if I'm going 10 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,320 to go through the lengths to actually read, I might as well 11 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,800 learn something. So I only buy like nonfiction 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,080 books, which kind of deters my reading in general. 13 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,640 So then I just don't end up reading the nonfiction books I 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,440 got, especially during school. I feel like it's really hard 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,880 because you're already learning so much. 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Like, fuck, I don't want to learn anymore, you know? 17 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,200 OK. I do agree that like it's hard 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,240 while you're in school and you're like reading like long 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,560 cases and like give a shit ton of homework and that sort of 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:22,680 thing. That's usually like reading 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,880 heavy. But hear me out. 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,040 My senior year of yeah, my senior year of college, I 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,280 randomly, I don't know why I started reading again, but 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,640 randomly I just like, picked up a book one day and read and then 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,280 like I have been able to stop reading since. 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,280 And then like I segued into nonfiction. 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,040 Like you got to start like as smutty as it gets. 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,040 It's like a gateway drug. You don't like, you don't start 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,440 out with like heroin. You got to start by smoking a 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,200 little bit of pot. You can't just like go straight 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,040 for the nonfiction. Katie, this is where you're 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,200 failing. No, I think you're. 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Right. No, I think you're right. 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,000 I think I need a gateway book. What's my gateway book? 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,240 I've read after but that's it. Yeah, I I think we're going to 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,880 need something a little more gateway ask, but I fully don't 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,520 understand how these frat men are out here and like honestly 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,520 like grown ass men to just like straight up reading either books 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,080 about like the revolution or like like weird ass self help 40 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,080 books. Do you know what I'm talking 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,200 about? Yeah, I mean, my boyfriend read 42 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,560 like a finance book and he said he's read it, but he hasn't and 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,280 then just sits there and now it's like what he uses to prop 44 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,760 up his monitor because his monitor is kind of short. 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,880 So that's kind of what it's getting used for at this point. 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,040 But no, I work. We also have a book club they're 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,800 trying to start for the women. I don't know, it's like, you 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,360 know how they have those women groups? 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,520 Well, ours is trying to start a book club. 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,800 So it's, I don't know. We'll see how it goes. 51 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,080 I think that's fun, like a book club definitely makes 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,680 accountability, but I don't know, I love reading. 53 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,560 To get everyone to read and especially if you don't like the 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,840 book, then that's the worst thing. 55 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,240 I can understand if you don't have time. 56 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Like sometimes my grandma, she has a book club too, but it's 57 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,520 like once a month they read a book and it's like really low 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,960 stakes and they all get to like alternate picking but with 59 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,560 corporate. I think that's super cute. 60 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,720 I, I watched this movie on Netflix and it was about these 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,400 like old ladies and they have this book club and they've all 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,040 had it since like they were our age and they all like were super 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,200 successful in their careers. 1 was like a judge. 1 was like a 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,760 really high-powered attorney, one I can't remember. 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,800 They all like were really successful in life. 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,640 And then they just like, had this book club, like into their 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,360 late 70s, and every month a different person would pick a 68 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,040 book and they would get together and read it. 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,840 And a lot of other things happen. 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,720 I won't spoil it, but it was one of the cutest movies I've seen 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,160 in forever. That's so cute, we should do 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,800 that, but then I have to read. Maybe with an audio book? 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 If podcasting fails, me and Katie will then launch our 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,079 audiobook collection where we'll just read to you guys get. 75 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:19,920 Ready. I wanted to do that. 76 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,840 I wanted to like be the voice person on an audiobook but I 77 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:28,080 don't think anyone would hire me so the maybe one day. 78 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,240 You know, honestly, I hate to break it. 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,720 Katie, I'm not sure if you have the voice for that. 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,480 I was going to say, hopefully someone would listen to our 81 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,120 podcast and be like, wow, this is the best voice I've ever 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,760 heard and she needs to write a cover for like the audio, but 83 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,480 whatever, I don't care. I really hate when I talk to 84 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,160 people about like at work, like what they do and people are 85 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,280 like, oh, I read and then I asked them what? 86 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,400 And they're like, oh, I've been getting into Steinbeck recently 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,640 and I'm like. Katie, nowhere is this 88 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,840 happening. Nowhere is this happening. 89 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,120 At my work, I literally talked to somebody and they're like, 90 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,360 yeah, I've been really getting into. 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,960 Steinbeck My gosh, have you seen the new Speaking of books, the 92 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,200 new Netflix movie that dropped on Friday my Oxford year. 93 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,720 No. OK, so the premise is like this 94 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,320 girl, she is really smart. She gets a degree at Cornell. 95 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:39,680 I want to say she has a job with Deloitte. 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,760 Wow, I'm really good at telling this story. 97 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,080 OK, she has a job at like a really good company like 98 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Deloitte ask it's not Deloitte, but maybe like Blackstone. 99 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,320 OK, KPH summed up something like that like a household name of 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:03,120 like business money vibes and but she like defers her like job 101 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,680 offer for a year, which first of all, that's not realistic. 102 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,120 You can't just, like, defer your job offer for a year. 103 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:15,520 But she defers her job offer for a year to live out her dream of 104 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,400 spending the year at Oxford studying poetry. 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,000 That's a talk about job offers and not ones that you can just 106 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,840 magically defer for a year to go study at Oxford. 107 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:28,640 That's true. I mean, I have heard like some 108 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,840 places if they have two start dates like February and August, 109 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,480 I know some of the big companies have those, they'll pay you 110 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,560 sometimes to start at a different date if they don't 111 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,960 want to take on so many people at once or if they don't have 112 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,880 the room to take you. So they'll like we'll pay you a 113 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,680 little bit of a stipend to push your start date if there's like 114 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,080 a hiring freeze or something. I have heard of that, but I 115 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,520 haven't heard of like just that's oh, I don't really want. 116 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,400 To start. Mine too low key. 117 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,000 OK, so applications, Claire, you've never really shared your 118 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,680 story of applications and kind of what internships you did 119 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,240 undergrad. So I kind of want to hear 120 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,520 because I know you just did accounting, but. 121 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,840 Well, I did share last week about my HR interview for 122 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,400 internships. But anyways, my sophomore year, 123 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,160 I actually didn't work in accounting Katie for my 124 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 internship. So sophomore year, I feel like 125 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,240 it's really hard to get an internship and I like applied to 126 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:36,040 a million different places and then I was in, I didn't keep 127 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,520 track. I'm not organized like you. 128 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,280 And I was just like getting ghosted or getting rejected. 129 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,360 And I was like, like, I had like dried up all of Saint Louis and 130 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,040 like where I'm from in Central Illinois, which is not a ton of 131 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,640 internships. Like farming it? 132 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,000 Was like literally cold emailing like the most random ass people 133 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,280 like I would do anything. And then finally like randomly 134 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,400 one of our sorority sisters put a message in the group chat and 135 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,400 was like if anyone wants to live in Boston with me for the 136 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,280 summer, like I have an extra room at my house and like my 137 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,600 parents aren't going to be home a lot. 138 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 So I like called her and I was, I was like, hey, I'm into 139 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Boston. I wasn't really close with this 140 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,600 girl at this point. So that was like kind of a 141 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,680 choice. But now she's my best friend. 142 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:37,039 So yeah, it depends on the day. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. 143 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,520 But but no. Anyway, so I ended up interning 144 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,120 at this oil and gas company and I was like a rebate and 145 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,400 reconciliation intern. And if you don't know what that 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,600 means, basically this company was like a oil and gas 147 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,600 distributor and also owned various chains of gas stations 148 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,320 throughout the East Coast and South Atlantic. 149 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,120 And So what I was in charge of is like, OK, we sold this many 150 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Pepsi's. Pepsi's will give us like a 151 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,440 rebate like Pepsi, the supplier will give us a rebate like of a 152 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,000 dollar or whatever per unit. So I'd have to like do like 153 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,840 these huge data files or like units of sales and then like 154 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,680 send like rebate invoices to vendors. 155 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,640 And it was really boring, but I got really good at Excel and 156 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Tableau. OK, Tableau. 157 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,160 I really love Tableau, so that was a plus for me when I did my 158 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,760 sophomore internship. But yeah, somewhere here it's 159 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,320 probably like the hardest I feel like freshman is I, I think most 160 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,920 people just volunteer for a nonprofit or do something like 161 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,040 that. That's what I did. 162 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,080 And I found my freshman year on check internships, which I don't 163 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,840 think exists anymore, but they used to post internships. 164 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,880 They used to post internships that were like, I would search 165 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,680 for the lowest commitment one like 5 hours a week, and I would 166 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,280 do that and put that on my resume. 167 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,640 And then I went and worked at an ice cream shop to make money. 168 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,240 And then sophomore year, I had to apply to like over 200 jobs. 169 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,880 I want to say. Like it was insane. 170 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,520 Just because I was hired. I was applying mostly to tech 171 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,040 and that was during the huge tech freeze when like SpaceX was 172 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,720 taking back all their offers and saying that they didn't have 173 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,880 space and into it was like crumbling. 174 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,560 Not into it. Which one was it? 175 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,200 I don't know one of those. So. 176 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,840 So yeah. So I was kind of stressed out 177 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,680 and didn't find anything till like April. 178 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,480 But that is really typical, honestly. 179 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,320 Sophomore year. When did you find out about 180 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,160 yours, Claire? Sophomore year. 181 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Yeah, probably about the same, like probably March or April. 182 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,600 And I was like, yeah, definitely moving. 183 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,480 And like it was the first week of June that it started. 184 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,080 It's definitely only two months before. 185 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,720 So I think that's pretty normal, but yeah. 186 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,160 And I think you pointed out something great too about 187 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,760 sophomore, like sophomore year you have to apply to more than 188 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,040 one place. Like I was trying to apply 189 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,480 everywhere in Atlanta and I just couldn't. 190 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,480 Like I ended up getting something in Atlanta, but it was 191 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,320 after I already got like a Saint Louis offer. 192 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,880 So you have to apply to multiple locations in my opinion. 193 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,640 I think so Like probably your college and then where you 194 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,880 actually like residentially live. 195 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,080 I don't know if you agree with that. 196 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,760 No totally, that's definitely was one of like the best summers 197 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,920 of my life too. It's just like you can just pick 198 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,920 somewhere random. I don't think people realize how 199 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,600 many like least takeovers and like options for summer housing 200 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,960 are available. I know that my friend who did an 201 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,280 internship in New York City like ended up being able to find 202 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,160 super cheap housing like with a doorman in lower Manhattan and 203 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:00,080 it was specifically designed for women interns in town for the 204 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,480 summer. So I feel like a location should 205 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,440 never really be a deterrent because you can always sublet 206 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,360 your place and pay for a different place. 207 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,520 Yeah, 100%. I think it just like also 208 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,800 depends how much money you have and if they're paying you. 209 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,920 But other than that, yeah, we'll get into a different episode 210 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,800 that talks about location and which companies to pay you guys 211 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,840 for relocation during your internship or full time. 212 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,080 So we will cover that too. But yeah, I think that's a great 213 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,880 point, jumping into the applications and interviews. 214 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,760 I know when we talked, Claire, you said that you didn't really 215 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,640 organize your application. I remember the first time 216 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,280 actually Katie showed me her organizational tool for 217 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,880 applications. I was like who is this bitch? 218 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,760 Like I could never be so organized. 219 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,080 Which is hilarious because I have the most type A job but 220 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,960 like my life if you know me is type B. 221 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,680 Like this is Katie. This is literally my To Do List 222 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,560 for like the next two weeks. They're. 223 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:07,800 Just like just like random ass like scribbles and then like I 224 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:13,560 did a one day over here. But like, that's how I keep 225 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,920 track of my life. And why don't you just put it on 226 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,240 a notes app or something? I have a friend that does a 227 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,680 Google doc and she like writes everything she has to do 228 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:25,200 everyday on a Google doc. I think that my promise, if I 229 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,600 actually wrote out everything that I need to get done in my 230 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,240 life, like I would just like have a panic attack and fall off 231 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:36,840 my balcony, I'm not gonna keep trauma dumping anyways. 232 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:42,720 But Katie has a really beautiful spreadsheet that she uses to 233 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,640 keep track of her internships. And maybe we'll link a template 234 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,600 in the link tree. Katie, maybe? 235 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,320 Yeah, if you guys are interested, follow us and then 236 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:57,480 we can send it a link to you guys via e-mail via Instagram DM 237 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,440 or TikTok DM. Can you send an Excel file on D 238 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Ms. I don't know. We'll find out. 239 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,800 Yeah, I think. We can send the Google Excel 240 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,080 link thing Google Sheets. Oh yeah. 241 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,240 So I could look at it on my phone too. 242 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:20,760 And then I could be like, I got rejected again, but I'm not. 243 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,520 But yeah, for sophomore year, definitely keep track of all the 244 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,680 places you applied to and then also all the positions you 245 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,960 applied to. So that's also going to be 246 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,920 really important because sometimes with the company, they 247 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,440 tell you, you know, you got an interview, but they don't 248 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,360 mention which position it was under. 249 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,000 And then you're like, wait, how do I find this information 250 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,800 again? Or sometimes you do know the 251 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,000 position, but you don't know any of like the information about 252 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,720 the position. And so in that case, what you're 253 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,000 going to do is since you kept track of like the exact title, 254 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,840 you're going to type that in and then type in like job 255 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,080 description. And hopefully Indeed or one of 256 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,200 those old pages will come up. And then you're going to find 257 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,960 the job description. You probably won't be able to 258 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,000 find it on like LinkedIn, but with Indeed and some of those 259 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,680 older ones that keep the postings up even after they're 260 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,080 recruiting, you might be able to find what specifically the 261 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,960 position asks for so you can bring it up in your interview. 262 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,480 But anyways. Yeah, I feel like even copying 263 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,240 and pasting all of that into a Google doc would be a good idea 264 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,200 because you really need to practice for your interview with 265 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,920 the job description in mind. Yeah, I mean, that's what I used 266 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,680 to do if I ever interviewed. For a job I. 267 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Would make a Google doc and then I would write what position it 268 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,320 is, what the job description is, who's interviewing me, and 269 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,720 anything I should know about who specifically is interviewing me. 270 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,840 And then I could go back and like, if I get another 271 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,000 interview, I could be like, Oh yeah, I actually interviewed 272 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,720 with this person last time, or I could do whatever. 273 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,960 But just keeping track of all that information is really 274 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:03,800 necessary. So yeah, see. 275 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,520 I would do that like 15 minutes before an interview. 276 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,600 I would jump on a Google doc and just do like a word dump. 277 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:15,200 Like based on their website and stuff. 15 minutes, maybe 30. 278 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,040 Claire, there's some. I literally started doing that a 279 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,800 week before the interview. Like if I was bored in class, I 280 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,640 might do it sooner. Like I would, like, put like, 281 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,200 their core values and like, look through their website and see 282 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,760 what kind of people they're trying to find and that sort of 283 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,960 thing. And like, have thought out 284 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,200 already, like, why do you think you would be a good fit at this 285 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,040 company? And I would already have that 286 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:41,840 thought out based on like, the job listing and like, whatever 287 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,200 values and different things I can find out. 288 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Especially if you like their LinkedIn page or their website. 289 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,760 Yeah, I think. Specifically, you brought up a 290 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,680 good point with like core values. 291 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,080 I think that's something or like current news about the company 292 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,600 or core values or something like that shows that you actually did 293 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,079 research into the company and aren't just there and just 294 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:07,200 showing up and don't really care about the company itself and 295 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,359 just want an offer because that's very transparent if you 296 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,000 don't know anything about the company. 297 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,760 So you're going to kind of want to know like what lines of 298 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,280 business they have or lobs, you know, if they're a public 299 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,880 company and you're doing finance specifically really from them, 300 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,520 you might want to like glance over at 10K or 10Q or whatever. 301 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,640 But yeah, that's a really good point of just some stuff to have 302 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,960 on there. And then again that why do you 303 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,160 want to work here? Why do you want this position? 304 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,440 You should have those like prepared as well as, you know, 305 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,720 tell me about yourself and all those questions. 306 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,760 But I think those are the three main ones you just want to have 307 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,440 ready. So let's see if you guys are 308 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,760 really in a bind at the end. Let's say it's April and you 309 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,520 guys haven't started looking for an internship yet. 310 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Startups and nonprofits are gonna be your best friend. 311 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,400 You probably won't get paid anything, but if you're just 312 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,160 desperate to get an internship, at least there is that option 313 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,360 and you can kind of negotiate, like I said, down to like not 314 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:14,000 necessarily 40 hours a week, but you can be like, oh, I have 10 315 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,640 hours a week and they kind of have to like deal without or I 316 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,280 could do 20 hours a week during the summer or something like 317 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,720 that. Yeah, which is and then you. 318 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Can always do a part time job to supplement if you like need 319 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,400 money. One thing I'll say is I actually 320 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,840 worked on a startup just for fun when I was a freshman and 321 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,200 sophomore in college. And then I also worked in our 322 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,480 school's entrepreneurship center, which was like 323 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,440 connecting startups with VC, like fostering the startup 324 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,960 community at our campus and that sort of thing. 325 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,840 And they are constantly looking for people like, if that's one 326 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,280 thing I learned from that experience. 327 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,920 And I definitely think that like you shouldn't discount it too 328 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,400 much because whenever I, I don't have it on my resume anymore, 329 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,600 But when I had the startup on my resume, like people thought that 330 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,080 was so cool and they always wanted to hear more about it. 331 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,800 And that's actually somewhere where you're gonna learn maybe 332 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,680 even more than some of these bigger intern programs where 333 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,040 you're just kind of running through their programming 334 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,640 motions. Like that's I feel like where 335 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,680 you're actually going to gain some like real technical skill 336 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,520 that's like unique to you. But that could just be my love 337 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,440 for startups of my pitch for why you should join them. 338 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,520 No, I definitely agree with that. 339 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,160 I think especially our school was really strong in this 340 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,720 because we did both go to Business School, but there were 341 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,160 startups that were heavily connected to our school. 342 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,760 And that's actually really common among a lot of different 343 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,200 schools, you know, like people that create startups just kind 344 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,000 of look for talent there and look for support. 345 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,320 And so if you want to not necessarily be directly 346 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,800 affiliated with your university, but kind of work for somebody, 347 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:55,640 you can easily find that usually through your university or 348 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,320 e-mail your Career Center and ask what kind of startups came 349 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,720 out of your school recently. So you can e-mail them and they 350 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,960 usually really are receptive to people who have are in still in 351 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,600 school and you know, want to work. 352 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,080 So that's always a great point. I also want to say for the 353 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,000 finance people, one of the best jobs you can also get is working 354 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,960 for your school's hedge fund, so. 355 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,200 You know how every school has an endowment and they have to 356 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,160 invest obviously in it, and that's what drives like a lot of 357 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,800 money and growth over time. If you're in finance and 358 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,200 actually really want to do kind of like money management or 359 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,120 anything on that route, it looks actually really amazing to work 360 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:43,480 for your school's endowment. I will say for at least our 361 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,600 school, it's almost a year prior that you have to apply. 362 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,400 So if your school's like that, you might have to still apply 363 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,640 pretty early. But it is regarded as a pretty, 364 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,880 pretty solid position, especially early in your career. 365 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,960 If you know you work, you know anywhere honestly. 366 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,880 And it doesn't even necessarily have to be your school. 367 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,640 It can be schools around you and other endowments, but it does 368 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,360 look pretty good. Yeah. 369 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,600 And it's well regarded, especially in, you know, 370 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,240 investment banking or anything like that because you kind of 371 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,080 understand the insurance and outs of deals and again like 372 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,040 private equity or. Yeah, yeah. 373 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,480 Also nonprofits on the same note. 374 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,600 Yeah. I feel like they like always 375 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,160 need help and are rarely going to turn you down. 376 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,000 And also something that looks super good on a resume. 377 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,320 Yeah, And I think with nonprofits too, especially early 378 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,040 in your career, you can kind of ask for what kind of work you 379 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,040 want, which is really helpful. So, you know, if you're trying 380 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,720 to break into finance, I know for me, like it was so hard to 381 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,520 get a finance job starting out. So really asking like nonprofits 382 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,680 if I could help do their budgeting or help with any, you 383 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,400 know, files they needed sent to investors or anything like that. 384 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,360 That was a big help to me just to break into that space. 385 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,280 And yeah, again, it doesn't have to be a nonprofit necessarily in 386 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,200 your area. You could also do a virtual job. 387 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,680 That's what I did. I actually did mine out of 388 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,600 Minnesota. So the leader would meet with me 389 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,960 and I would meet with him and it was cool and pretty easy. 390 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Slay. OK, so Claire, do you want to 391 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,840 talk about timelines and like when people should apply for 392 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,880 internships and full time jobs? Yes, Katie, I'm so glad you 393 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:48,000 asked because the crazy thing is how far out people are 394 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,960 recruiting right now. It's like, I know it's going to 395 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,040 be a little bit different for each industry, but if you're not 396 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,800 locking in your internship for the next summer by like 397 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,960 September I would start to be a little worried. 398 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Low key. Not to scare anyone, but I feel 399 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,160 like that's when the good ones go. 400 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,680 Not saying that you can't still find a good one, but it's never 401 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,000 too soon to start looking. Just like maybe once a week look 402 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,840 at LinkedIn pages or indeed pages or whatever form you like 403 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,480 to look at and just kind of scroll and then one day 404 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,760 something will pop up and then just have your stuff ready so 405 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,360 you can apply. Yeah, I think one of the biggest 406 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,600 things too is like talking to friends about where they're 407 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,400 applying, because I didn't do that a lot, but I realized a lot 408 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,080 of us are applying to the same places. 409 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,680 And it's like, OK, well, when's the deadline for this? 410 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,320 When is the interview process for this? 411 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,560 Because a lot of people know things that maybe you don't 412 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,040 know, or know that they're going to ask questions and interviews 413 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,760 that you didn't know they were going to ask. 414 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 And that's been super helpful. For me, no, absolutely. 415 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,120 But yeah, so I think especially we talked about this in a 416 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,080 previous episode, but consulting and investment banking jobs are 417 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,680 notorious for really far out. Also some accounting jobs like 418 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,280 Deloitte we talked about that recruit really far out. 419 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,560 PwC sometimes as well. I've seen some really great 420 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,560 graphics online showing the timelines for different 421 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,800 industries. So I feel like if even if you're 422 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,440 applying for multiple industries just to kind of Google it and 423 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,680 there's great resources out there that tell you when and to 424 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,920 have that like on your mind. Yeah yes, even ChatGPT honestly 425 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,600 has been pretty helpful, at least for me and it's like OK, 426 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,160 what goals should I set? Cuz I think the problem is 427 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,000 everyone's like this is such a big deal like it's so annoying 428 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,000 to try to figure out what jobs I'm going to apply to how often 429 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,800 to the work on this like how often should I look at LinkedIn? 430 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,840 I think it's good to have goals set like, oh, I'm going to apply 431 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,440 to two jobs this week or three jobs this week and things like 432 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,000 that that help keep you motivated. 433 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,480 So I also think that with those timelines, it's good to, like 434 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,640 Claire said, do your research and keep goals for yourself. 435 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaking of other people applying at the same time like 436 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,680 your friends, have you seen the feature on LinkedIn that's like 437 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,360 there is 54 applicants right now for this job? 438 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,160 I hate. That I hate that and I'm always 439 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,720 like that always makes me feel so rushed or it'll be like be an 440 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,440 early applicant. Only two applicants so far and 441 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,200 I'm like is this scamming me? I know 'cause I'm like, OK, if 442 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,520 there's not many applicants, is this a bad job? 443 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,960 But if there's too many applicants, I'm like, I'll never 444 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,000 get the job. But again, guys, don't let that 445 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,200 discourage you just 'cause there's a lot of applicants. 446 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,760 Like it's way better to over apply than under apply, you 447 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,560 know? So motivational, Katie, I love 448 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:56,680 it. Yeah, it's so annoying though to 449 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,600 like, see how many people have applied and it'll be like, oh, 450 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,160 if I posted this an hour ago and then there will be 2000 451 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,320 applicants and I'm like, what are you guys doing? 452 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,960 But I guess some people have like bots that do it for them 453 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,680 now, which is insane that we're living in a world like this, 454 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,520 that it's this hard to get a job. 455 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,480 I wish that like getting a job, I guess like LinkedIn is kind of 456 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,800 like this, and there are some features on Indeed that mimic 457 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,960 what I'm about to say, but I wish it was kind of like the 458 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,320 college app, Common app. I talk about that like, so much. 459 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,160 I was talking to my dad about that the other day. 460 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,920 I think it would just like make why don't we centralized the 461 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,720 talent pool? Yeah, no, I totally agree it 462 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,320 because that just bothers me too, because I don't really 463 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,440 know, you know, what each company is about, You know, 464 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,800 would I like the people there, the culture, everything like 465 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480 that. Like college is way more focused 466 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,640 on those things. And then it's very much, I feel 467 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,360 like more of a matching process. And it is like, OK, you got 468 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,680 accepted or denied. Everyone says it's a matching 469 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,040 process, but it's really not. And I think you should have, 470 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,000 like, early apply where you, like, only apply to one company 471 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,920 that you're really, really interested in. 472 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520 And that's the only one you apply to until a certain day. 473 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,280 And then if you get in, you're definitely gonna accept that 474 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,200 company. Like, I don't understand why we 475 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,800 don't do that because there are some companies I'm really, 476 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,240 really passionate about. And then it's like, OK, well, 477 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,160 now everybody's applying. I think there should be some 478 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,480 distinction. The only thing from the 479 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,600 perspective of the company is I think some common system like 480 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,120 this would really create like volume problems. 481 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,520 Like there's no way the company could get through as many 482 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,080 applications as what happened because just like myself, I know 483 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,720 I would apply to more jobs if I had a tool like that. 484 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Yeah, I mean, I agree, but at the same time, I feel like 485 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,120 there's better applications there as well. 486 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,840 It's all these people that you might not have gotten the chance 487 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,360 to look at. But yeah, you're right. 488 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,720 I think they're just not, especially for some of the 489 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,680 smaller companies there's they just don't have the systems to 490 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,320 handle that. Yeah, and I feel like with like 491 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,440 these chat bots and like, online application processes and how 492 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,760 everything's working right now, I think there's like a big 493 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,840 talent problem in connecting, like recruiters processing and 494 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,880 digging through everything to find the real people. 495 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800 It's so difficult. I've only met, I've met very few 496 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,000 good recruiters. And I just want to say that too, 497 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,280 because some recruiters totally forget who I am. 498 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480 Like I'll have a conversation with them a week later. 499 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,560 They're like, who is this? I think, who is this? 500 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,520 Oh, what's your major? Oh, like, Are you sure you're 501 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,480 18? Whatever. 502 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,200 And I'm like, we literally just talked last week and went 503 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,920 through all this. And it's kind of frustrating, 504 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920 but I think a good recruiter changes the game. 505 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,280 I've had somewhere I'll apply for two positions at a company 506 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,840 and they say, I really like you for this position. 507 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,640 Is it OK if like we move forward with this? 508 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,240 I think you're much stronger here and they kind of also work 509 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,760 for you. I think those are the good 510 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,280 recruiters. But you know, not every 511 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,160 recruiter is going to be a good recruiter. 512 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,680 And so again, like it's not necessarily that you got 513 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,280 rejected because of the the company doesn't want you. 514 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,640 Sometimes it's just the way things work out based on their 515 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640 recruiting systems, which is unfortunate, but that does 516 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:32,440 happen. I do think that I'm seriously 517 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,080 going to flip a switch if one more recruiters slides into my 518 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,360 LinkedIn DMS with a vague ass job that they're trying to sell 519 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,400 me on. Yeah, I kind of get annoyed by 520 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,640 that too. I get a lot of masters programs 521 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840 though, and I'm like, you can look at my bio. 522 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,440 I'm already in a master's program, so I don't know why 523 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,120 they bother sending me those anymore. 524 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760 But. No, it's really been, it's 525 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,960 really been pissing me off lately. 526 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320 I get at least three a day and I think it's because there's such 527 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,160 a drought and talent for the accounting industry right now. 528 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000 But I'm just like, leave me alone. 529 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,720 You're like, you're kind of burning a bridge with me if I do 530 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,120 find a job and then like have to go back to you and you've sent 531 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,600 me 3 LinkedIn DMS like each a day apart. 532 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640 No thanks. Yeah. 533 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,440 Oh, the other thing, I know we were talking about moving cities 534 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,360 and things like that. I would encourage everyone to 535 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,160 move to a different city at some point, whether that's junior 536 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,040 year or that's somewhere else some other time. 537 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,560 I think that's super important just because a lot of people 538 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,080 tend to stay in their city and they don't branch out. 539 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,040 But this is kind of the first time you can experience a new 540 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,880 city and live there for 10 weeks without having to fully commit. 541 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,560 So I think that's really important also to just branch 542 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,920 out, try something new. I've personally loved my 543 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,400 experience in a different city right now. 544 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:17,840 So yeah, would 10 out of 10. Recommend 100% new bars, new 545 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,880 places, new fun things to do, new friends to be made. 546 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Yeah. And my other thing is I don't 547 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,840 think unless you really love a company and are 100% ready to 548 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120 work there full time, that you should go back to the place you 549 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 interned prior. Like if you enter in a place 550 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,920 sophomore year, you just want to do kind of like the easy thing 551 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,320 and an intern there junior year, again, it's harder because you 552 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,280 don't have any options. If they don't want to hire you 553 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,800 back full time, let's say they have a hiring freeze, whatever, 554 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,280 you don't really have anything else. 555 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,200 And it's also just good to experience new things because 556 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,440 you might like it more than your other internship. 557 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000 I've definitely had that happen to me where, you know, I really 558 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,960 liked an internship. I wanted to go back, but I 559 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,800 pushed myself to go somewhere else and it taught me a lot 560 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320 about what I like and what I want to do. 561 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,600 I agree, I think that that's super important to think about. 562 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,640 Like unless you've already accepted a job there and they're 563 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,200 like do you want to do 1 less internship just for shits and 564 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:24,080 gigs and like go for it. But cuz that's definitely, yeah, 565 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,760 cuz I've definitely seen where people are like I accepted a job 566 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,760 there, but I still have my junior to see in your summer to 567 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,520 kill. So they'll go back to the 568 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,440 company they were at. And I think that that's probably 569 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920 good cuz you can continue to build your relationships and 570 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,640 stay at like the front of their mind. 571 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,400 Anyways, Katie, what I wanted to ask you is what's your favorite 572 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,760 place to apply to jobs? Do you like LinkedIn? 573 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,240 Do you like Google jobs? Do you like Indeed? 574 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,400 I like LinkedIn and sometimes I use Google search for a specific 575 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,640 area, but otherwise I use mostly LinkedIn and then I apply it on 576 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600 the website. I don't even use like the easy 577 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,800 apply. I think that it's just, I know 578 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,000 it's easier, but I think applying on the website actually 579 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,000 make sure you get in where they need you to on their back end, 580 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160 so. That's why I agree. 581 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,640 I usually use like the platforms to find the job and then I go to 582 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,520 their website because then you can also scroll through all of 583 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,480 their job listings and make sure that like you're finding the 584 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,640 best one that you can. Yeah. 585 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,040 And the other thing is too like sometimes they, I don't know why 586 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,760 they do this, but sometimes they'll retire one job listing 587 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,320 and then we'll start like a new job listing that's really 588 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,040 similar, you know what I'm talking about and then. 589 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,040 I don't understand that either. I I honestly don't get it but I 590 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360 just apply to like around 3 for each company. 591 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,560 If I'm really excited about a company, I apply to three, and I 592 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,280 wouldn't apply to more than that because then it just looks like 593 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,120 you've no idea what you're doing and you just want to do 594 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600 anything. So kind of pick the three that 595 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080 you think you're the strongest candidate for and that you were 596 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,400 the most interest in and then apply to those. 597 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,000 Well, thank you guys for listening so much. 598 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,639 This episode, I know, is a little content heavy this time, 599 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,920 but yeah, we really appreciate you guys. 600 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,719 Please, please write in with anything you guys have questions 601 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,719 on or if you have any crazy corporate stories, we'd love 602 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,440 hearing from you guys. So make sure to write into our 603 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440 listener inbox or just DMR Instagram if that's easier for 604 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,840 you guys. Slay, see you all next time. 605 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,440 See you next time.