It's Katie and. Claire.
And this week we have a special treat for you.
We've dug up Katie's resumes from starting back in fifth
grade, which is insane. What 5th grader has a resume?
But stay tuned for this one. It's going to be a good one.
Corporate crash out? Will you cash in or crash out?
So before we get into resume content, Katie, I'm just
curious, in what world is 1/5 grader needing to have a resume?
You know, Claire, I was a really wannabe, I think, actor at that
point. I really wanted to get into it,
acting and my school kept putting me into bands and I
really hated bands. But it's because I used to play
the recorder and then my sister was like, oh, you should play
the flute because she played the flute.
And then I was like built this whole like little resume to try
to get out of bands but kept getting stuck there year after
year. But finally in 8th grade, I was
able to do acting. So I was super cool.
And then I did it in 9th and 10th grade too, which my friend
made fun of me for. But that's OK, Katie.
Katie's first resume secure her big break in acting, which I
have to know, is this like a real TV show or is this like a
school play? For which?
For your acting career. Like on my resume or what I did?
No, I'm saying like you made your resume.
I have it here. Actually, let me just since this
is an audio show, let me give a brief synopsis of this resume.
First of all, at the top we have Katie, her e-mail, pretty
standard resume. Then we have height 56,
impressive for your age honestly.
Hair light brown. Eyes Hazel.
Which I want it to be Hazel, let's start there.
But they're really brown, so. You know, enacting anything's
possible. You could get the colored
contacts, you know. Yeah, she has four, four
different subheaders, which, you know, that's pretty standard
resume behavior. So she has educational theater.
She was in the cheese play playing feta also.
Also, can we talk about how the middle column is very
misaligned? OK, I'm sorry.
I was in fifth grade. What do you expect, Claire?
Like I barely knew how to type in fifth grade.
So. Instead of instead of musical
experience, we have arts experiences, applied lessons,
recital. We have all sorts of band
content. Then we have training, voice
lessons, flute lessons, special talents, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa. Swimming, maybe you could have
got a part on like a swim team movie, I don't know.
I could have literally played Michael Phelps in like a
documentary, but you know, guess it's just a missed opportunity.
Oh well. Wasn't this like before?
He was big if you were five? I don't even know if he had been
to the Olympics. Yet great.
Not 5. You think I was 5-6 when I was
five? That would be so concerning.
I really, I really was thinking a lot this whole time.
I'm so dumb sometimes. OK, can we talk about what is
formal dancing? Is that not ballroom?
Yeah, so I had to do cotillion and 6th, 7th and 8th grade.
And so I had, I was like, yeah, I know how to do formal dancing.
And you know, not every 5th or 6th grader can do that.
So I guess maybe this was in 7th grade then if I said I did
formal dancing. OK, are you all ready for the
highlight of this resume, the special talent whistling you?
Have to really like differentiate yourself when you
act OK, and you just have to put all the talents you know, you
have on there. I really didn't have a ton of
talents at the time. And this is kind of true of your
actual resume too. You just got to throw on what
you can do, you know, like if you can do it somewhat well, put
it on there, you know? You know, I've never made an
acting resume before, but it's just normal behavior for Atlanta
since they're like a little bit of a film hotspot.
Are a lot of people extras? Yeah.
So like a ton of people are extras and I really wanted to be
an extra and a few things and I did end up being an extra, but
yeah, we had to make a portfolio for acting class and then we
also had to like submit head shots and stuff like that in a
full body like picture. So that was kind of.
Cool, and you made it to be an extra in what show?
Insatiable. It's like with Debbie Ryan.
Wait, I've seen that. Yeah, Oh my God I am.
I totally forget but I'm one of the goth high school characters
in the background and the guy at my table got to stay in line and
I was so jealous because they just like randomly picked one of
us to yell something out. I'm upset I need to be in like
major motion picture before I die.
I know, me too. We should work on that, Claire.
OK, so right now they're filming 911 Nashville.
OK. And so I didn't even know they
were doing this and I'm sitting at my desk, blah blah blah blah.
Office manager sends out a company wide e-mail and says
hey, at 7:00 PM tonight in front of the office building, they're
going to be filming 901 Nashville.
There's going to be lots of fire trucks and in the cop car and
they're like all got their sirens on.
Don't be alarmed. Wait your.
Accounting manager said this. My office manager like sent this
out like company wide e-mail blast This is like 2 weeks ago
and I'm like shit should I stay and when they come just like go
running outside screaming like is this my time Is this my big
break? Unfortunately, I I couldn't make
it. All I could think about that
whole day was like, is anyone from the office going to stay
and try to be on this show? You know, that's so interesting
because I always wondered how they film those shows with the
offices. You know what I'm talking about?
Like do they rent out an empty office building to just film
outside of? Or I guess they just use a real
one, but at night after hours. Well, it was technically on the
intersection by our. Office OK, so slightly less
cool. You can't show the movie and be
like, that's where I work, Dad, you know, but.
Like maybe I could maybe watch the TV show and be like, hey,
that's my office, but I don't know.
Anyways, Can you imagine? If you were just leaning out the
window while they like had the movie and you're like, that's me
all the way up there. They're like filming a fake car
crash, apparently. OK, well we should get to the
actual. Derailed, I know.
We really derailed. OK so back to roasting.
I know we roasted my you know, 5th grade acting resume, but
let's roast my high school resume since this is also what I
applied to my first internship with in high school my senior
year and college. Claire has never seen this
before. I just want to preface this,
this is like a blind review and roast from Claire so I want to
hear what you think. My initial thought is why do we
have 3 pages as a senior in high school, this is too long.
OK, Claire, I also didn't know that it was supposed to be
really short and I kind of wanted to write everything on
there. But yes, that is a great point
for everyone in college. And if you are in high school
applying to jobs, your resume should be no longer than one
side of a page. So pretty standard.
My second observation I sent this is a roast is why the fuck
does anyone care if you're the most improved award on your swim
team in 9th grade? Actually clear, it was really
hard to get that award. I had to go to a lot of hours of
practice and whatever, I don't really care.
So I actually did have to go to or I wanted to go to camp.
So we had this winter camp and you would be there like all day
and would swim from 8:00 in the morning to like 3:00 PM.
And it was actually insane. It was so hard.
I mean, you swam miles and miles and it was just insane.
So I did that, which I don't know why I didn't, but I, I will
be the devil's advocate. I do think it is sometimes
helpful when somebody wins an award to say, obviously you
don't have to say like what you did to get it, but I think
selected out of blank people because sometimes I have no idea
how competitive awards are. And then if somebody says, Oh
well, there were 10,000 applicants or 10,000 submissions
for this one award, I feel like it carries a little bit more
weight. I, I do agree with that.
And I do think that one other thing I've seen people do is
like, if you got the John Smith Award, don't just put John Smith
Award, expect people to know what that is.
I've seen people put like John Smith Award and they'll be like
awarded for outstanding contributions to the computer
science community or something like that.
And then they'll put like, you know, 1000 applicants or
whatever. And I think that that's
important because otherwise it means nothing.
And I'm just going to look right over it.
If I was reading your resume. Yeah, I agree.
And like the other thing too is I also want to point out I did
my achievements in high school at the beginning.
You really want to do that. At the end.
What's more important is obviously your education first,
your work experience, and then you can kind of have the
achievements and interest section.
But anyways, we'll keep going. One thing that your education
section is lacking is your GPA. You put your scholars list and
other stuff in your achievements but I'm really needing that GPA
at the top. That's fair.
We had. It was confusing how it works
because I wouldn't tell us our rank or kind of our GPA
finalized until the very end. So it was always kind of like we
never really knew. But that's a good point.
Normally you would want your GPA or rank if your school does rank
and like a master's program or something.
Volunteering experience, very nice.
I do think like volunteer experience can say a lot about
someone, especially if like you're just starting out and
don't have a lot of work experience.
I think that's something super valid to put on there.
Yeah, I agree. Especially when you get some
more kind of professional resumes and then you can put it
in the leadership and activities section.
I think like that's a good section to put that in.
But anyways. OK.
So then we move into the interest in activities.
Katie has a lot going on here and I will say that nothing on
this on this resume is lacking a description.
She is doing the most bending over backwards to sell herself.
She is really really working hard here.
The formatting is just wow, a lot lot to unpack.
We can move on to my current resume now if we're done
roasting the other one. Do you want to talk about the
interest, the interests and activities section?
Because OK, I have this line at the bottom of my resume.
I've had different people will tell me different things about
this line. Like at the very bottom I have
interests, entrepreneurship, small business, cooking, travel,
and piano. Yeah, is one of your interests.
Oh, I miss that CPA. Oh, that was because yeah, I
mean, that makes sense in my industry.
But now it doesn't. I can remove it because I I
don't need that anymore. But I've had so many interviews,
like they'll be like, yeah, your resume looks great.
I also like to do blah blah blah at the bottom.
One time I had rock climbing down there, even though like I
had only been rock climbing like 5 times and people were really,
people were really into talking about that one.
But so I've had that reaction and then I've had my sister like
look at my resume and be like, you look like a little kid with
this. What is this?
Why is this on your resume? Yeah, I totally agree.
It's like really dependent on what you're kind of going for.
I think in school sometimes they told us, OK, well, if you do
have interests, it's kind of cool for an interviewer to look
at that and kind of connect with you on a little bit of more
personal level. Like it makes you stand out a
little bit if they find some common ground with you.
But I do also think that, I don't know, some people are nice
into, you know, the interest section and we'll kind of just
skip over that or think it's unnecessary.
I think it's super fun. If I was an interviewer, I want
to see people's interests. Like, you know, how do you be
relatable on a piece of paper? I this is the only thing I can
think of to be honest. I think back to kind of the
basics. So we talked about having like
the basic sections, education, professional experience,
leadership and activities and skills and interests.
But. Claire, I'm going to ask you,
one of the first things I always think about is with under your
education section, at what point do you leave off the GPA?
Like if you know for some reason you bombed the semester or
something like that, some people will say if you have AGPA under
3.0 to just leave it off the resume.
Some people say leave it on. What's your personal take?
Yeah, I think that like if you could still make the resume look
full, I think you kind of like have to play with it.
So it's like not obvious that you're leaving off the GPA and
like maybe if like you had some good semesters, you could like
leave Dean's list on and like not have the GPA or something
like that to show that you're still like being successful in
your studies. But I do think that that's, I've
never heard that. That's never been an issue for
me like being below 3. But I guess like if I saw
someone's resume and it was like below a three, I'd be a little
concerned. So.
Yeah, and I also think if they really want your GPA, they
usually have a spot for it on work day anyway when you're
applying. But yeah, I don't know, that's
just something to consider if you are worried about your GPA,
maybe leave it off if it's under 3 O unless you know you are
doing a really hard major and that's more typical for your
field. Yeah.
The other thing that I found too is like your freshman year in
college, like you really need to drop the high school immediately
as soon as you're like accepted to college.
Like that's all I really care about.
I would say like, unless your college grade is really bad the
first semester or something and you did really, really well in
high school, I think that can kind of like supplement it a
little bit. But yeah, I would say like once
you get to probably like sophomore year at least right to
drop it. But yeah.
No, that's a good point. That's a good point.
One of the other things I really like doing so under my section
is for education. I am not sure if you did this to
Claire, but maybe it's not as common in like accounting
because it's pretty straightforward, like what
classes you have to take. But since my master's degrees in
stats, a little bit more ambiguous what kind of stats
courses you're interested and want to take.
So I list some of those out. Like I took natural language
processing and machine learning and time series analysis.
And so I put those in there just in case a job specifically
requires some of those things. Yeah, I think that's definitely
like very industry specific. Like there's certain majors like
mechanical engineering, it's like pretty standard what you're
going to take accounting, we have to all take pretty much the
same shit. So I think that that's like
super specific to industry. But like definitely if it's to
your benefit to be like to really kind of narrow down like
your candidacy for a job and like show that you're really
relevant, I think that's like really good thing to have.
Yeah, I agree. One of the other things I wanted
to talk about was overall, I think when you look at your
resume, it should be consistent with your LinkedIn.
And I just think that the titles should be the same.
You know, if you were an analytics intern, then make sure
it says analytics intern on your LinkedIn.
If you said you started in May for your internship, also make
sure that's represented on your LinkedIn.
I just think, you know, you go through a lot of periods of
adjustments and sometimes their start date changes.
But I think when you do have discrepancies on your LinkedIn
and resume, it can look kind of confusing and like you don't
really know what's going on and aren't really organized.
But that being said, like your resume and LinkedIn are two
separate entities. They do not need to be, you
know, 100% copies of each other, but I think they should at least
be consistent with each other. 100% And one thing is that I
think is a really big deal these days is putting your LinkedIn
handle at the top of your resume instead of like, I don't even
know, instead of something. But like, you should have your
phone number, your name, your e-mail, and your LinkedIn handle
because you know, obviously your resume doesn't have a picture of
you on it, so you need to put it on there because it's kind of
hard to guess. Yeah.
Another thing I wanted to say about that is I noticed that
neither of us put our address on our resume.
That used to be a very standard practice back when you had to
like mail things, but now it's definitely not as the case.
If you really wanted to, if you were applying to a specific
city, I mean, you could put like this city, but I personally
wouldn't put my address on there just because it's not necessary.
What's your take on that, Claire?
100% I think that's a thing of the past.
Like who cares where your address is?
Like you're not trying to mail this in.
You're not going to try to get mail from these companies.
They're going to e-mail you or call you.
But I do think having the phone number on there is top tier.
Like that's a must. I've seen people that just have
like their e-mail and I'm like, go ahead and put that phone
number on there. Yeah.
And then do you do your personal e-mail or your school e-mail?
Personal, everything for my job goes to my personal because I, I
don't know, I like to separate that a little bit, but I think
that's like definitely a personal preference.
Yeah, I mean, I do my usually my school e-mail.
I mean, I put both emails on there when I apply so they can
like reach out to either. But I do my school e-mail just
because I feel like I have like a signature on my school e-mail.
I don't know for me. Queen, I can show you how to put
that on your Gmail. No, I know how to put it on
there. I'm just lazy and I haven't done
it yet. So I just have everything sent
to my school e-mail and then I remember it's like I constantly
look at my school e-mail. So if anything ever pops up and
they send it to me, like I'll be sure to like make sure I look at
that. This is literally exactly what I
was going to say is like, I think at the end of the day,
just put the e-mail that you're actually going to check.
Yeah, because if an employer emails you back these days, you
have to immediately respond because they're out here
ghosting everyone. So.
Yeah, for real. One one thing I'm seeing on your
resume, is it normal when you work for a publicly traded
company to put their ticker? I've never worked for a publicly
traded company, so I've just never seen that.
OK so I started doing this just because I thought it was like
kind of fun on LinkedIn. I noticed that some companies,
when you put in their name, their company name, it has a
ticker next to it. I think this was especially
important for me when I worked at a few companies that were
publicly traded, but people didn't know it of them as well.
Like they weren't, you know, top Fortune 100 companies or
something like that. So I would put the ticker there
just so people knew that it was like an actual company and that
it was public. I think I was also trying to get
into the tech space a little bit more.
So I felt like this might have been a little bit more important
to just make sure that people really took it seriously.
But I think it's totally optional.
No, I think it's fun. I like it.
I just noticed something about your resume, though.
I You're in big trouble, Katie. What?
There's something missing on this resume.
What? I ran out of room.
Can you tell? You're just so accomplished you
ran out of room. No.
What's missing? Are you going to say my capital?
No, I don't. Yes, your sorority, you have no
idea how. No, I'm not even shitting you.
How many people are like get so excited when they realize I was
in a sorority? OK, maybe I'll put that under
the clubs and involvement. I used to have that under
leadership and activities, but then I was like, well, since I'm
trying to get into more statistics and a finance role, I
used to be, you know, VPF of my sorority, which is like
treasurer. But then I was also like a for a
statistics class. I really only had the room to
put one of them. And I was like, well, since I'm
trying to get into statistics, I'm going to lean towards that.
But that is a fair. Point what if KD is interviewing
you by chance? You know how many points that
gives you? I'm fired up about this one.
I'm going to riot. Yeah, I think it also depends
like where you work and and the kind of culture that's there
right now at my current place of work, I don't think there's a
ton of fraternity sorority culture, but you know, it's.
Too bad my dream is like just a room full of frat boys and
sorority girls just crunching numbers all.
Day. OK.
But yeah, maybe I'll add that back in because that is a good
point. It is something that you know
your interviewer can connect with you on.
Do you think that the Coldplay couple, do you think they're in
a frat in a sorority? I never know what the tech guys,
you know, I feel like they came out of college pretty nerdy.
You weren't really in a frat. And then that's kind of why they
act the way they do later in life, you know?
It's like all of a sudden, take all of a sudden they have money
and they kind of turn into a DILF and then they're like, what
do I do with this? I'll sleep with the head of HR
on the girl who cheated. His resume can bag any CEO.
Special Skills Special. Skills sleeping with CEOs.
Okay, stop. You've only really been
interested in accounting, right? You haven't really been
interested in other like functions or.
I've had interest in other functions I.
This is really funny. I-1 time interviewed for an HR
job. Oh my gosh, this is the worst
resume story ever. Actually Claire, I cannot
imagine you being an HR job, you would lose it in like 2 days.
No, I would be the worst HR person ever.
If someone came up to me the problem, I'd be like OK, grow
up, I'm busy. I don't know what you want me to
do about this. So yeah, I thought I wanted this
HR internship because for a minute I was like, maybe I'd be
good at that. I don't know what delusional
drink I was drinking, but not the right one.
So I go to this company near, I don't remember the name of the
company, it was an investment company, but I was obviously
interviewing for an HR position. And I meet with the head of HR.
She's really nice. But I walk into her office and
my resume is on her table and it's marked up like there's
circles and lines and like cat. Yes.
And it was really sweet of her. She was like, Hey, I think your
experiences are great, but I just, I found a couple things
wrong with your resume and I just wanted to like point them
out to you. Like this word is spelled wrong
and. No.
And she was like, and like, you're missing like a calm, I
hear. Like it was like, like very
technical grammar stuff. And she had like marked up my
resume and then she like, gave it back to me and she was like,
we'll be in touch, whatever. And I walked out of there.
I was like, fuck, I'm so stupid. I didn't even like check to make
sure all my words were spelled right.
But I mean, like, the interview went well.
Like obviously, like I could talk to her in person.
Like, she was nice. She was personable.
She gave me an office to her. Like she was definitely like
interested in me and so, but also she's in HR so she could
have been playing me. I don't know.
So I leave, I follow up on the interview, all the good things.
It's not a week later that woman like left the company and it was
like a whole ordeal. Like she like dramatically left.
They eliminated the position they completely reached.
It was a whole thing, like a whole.
So obviously I didn't end up with the internship, which that
was such a blessing in disguise, but I'll never forget like
walking in there, it's like one of my first interviews ever.
Like this had to have been like freshman or sophomore year of
college. And my resume is like all marked
up on her desk. It's like.
That's so stressful. I've never had anyone mark up my
resume. I feel like that would just.
And it was stressful, but also it's like, I appreciate the
feedback. Like low key, like, yeah.
And she, she was so kind about it too.
She was like, I know like you're in college and like you're just
like looking for interns and stuff.
But like, it's important that we all give each other professional
feedback about. I was like, OK, like, thank you
so much. Like this is awkward.
But like it was, I guess it was kind of nice, but in a cut
throat bag. Yeah, well, I had Grammarly when
I started doing resumes and stuff, so that was nice.
And then now with chat, I feel like it's so much easier to make
sure everything just seems very seamless and is put together and
things like that. I mean.
I had gram, I had Grammarly, that wasn't the issue.
I don't. Like that suck.
Was it just, I don't know what I was doing.
I definitely read the resume like a million times too.
So I think honestly, you know what the story boils down to is
that you need to always have someone else read your resume.
That's true. Even if it's just a friend or
yeah, just a friend who's also kind of applying to the same
industry or somebody who's in that industry and kind of kind
of give you some good feedback. I think that is really, really
helpful to have. Yeah, 100% so.
You could read the same thing about times just miss something
because it's right in front of your face.
So I think it's super important to not only self review.
No, I totally agree. And like Speaking of chat, I
honestly like if I don't know how to word something or if I
don't know. A lot of people use, and this is
very common to use verbs to start out right, like your
bullet points because you just want to get straight into the
meat of the resume. You don't want to really use
like a bunch of nouns in the beginning.
People kind of already know what you're talking about and just
just to save space, just start with a verb.
And I think that's really helpful for chat to just give
you some ideas. You know, you submit like, oh,
here's what I'm thinking of saying.
How can I make this better? And have it like list 10 ways
that you could also word it. And I think picking the one you
feel like fits best really works well.
The other thing I think we should talk about is having
numbers in your resume. I was, it's literally going to
bring this up. It's like it's what is the
action results in quantify or something like that?
Yeah, like you need to say in action what the results are and
then like quantify it somehow. Yeah, I know they said like in
almost at least under each description of each job have at
least one number. I would argue like for every
bullet you should have one number.
But basically, like Claire said, you just want to quantify, you
know, what was your impact because otherwise people don't
really know. I mean, it's more of a
qualitative thing that a quantitative thing.
People really latch on to numbers and even if you don't
really know the exact number to kind of estimate it, like if I
worked on 50 product listings, I'll say, OK, I optimize 50 plus
product listings. Or if I increase product
revenue, I'll say I resulted in a 10% increase in product
revenue. And those are a lot more
tangible to people reading your application and seeing a little
bit more real. Shit, I need more numbers on my
resume. I never even really.
I don't even know if it's my most recent resume to be honest.
You have. Like.
Four, I have a like 4. I don't know.
I need to if you can. This is not my most recent
resume. Where would that be?
I don't know. Recently.
OK, here's the story. We couldn't find my old resume
to roast because that was 2 Macbooks ago.
You should have it on Google Drive or something.
That's where I put all of mine. And this is a great point too.
You guys should keep all of your resumes since the very
beginning. And I know that sounds crazy
because you're like, it's the exact same thing, just different
words like better wording. But there are things that I
totally forget I've done and that I've written on my previous
resumes. And I'm like, Oh yeah, like I
could use this piece here. I'm applying to like a slightly
different job. And like I could use some of
that information I had in a previous resume again.
But anyways, what? OK, I want to circle back to
that, but my thing is, you know, I lost those resumes pre college
from that MacBook and then I had my college MacBook and then I
switched to a Lenovo. So now it's just like I don't
know where the fuck anything is. I think it's in the cloud
somewhere, but which cloud I couldn't tell you.
They all hold rain, and I don't know which one it's in.
So just like I yeah, I couldn't tell you where that is.
But Sir, going back to your point about keeping your old
resumes, this is so true. People, like, think that you
make one resume and, like, submit it to all your jobs, but
that's wrong. You're supposed to tailor it for
each specific role you're applying for.
Yeah. And that's kind of why I asked
you to like if you always knew you wanted to do accounting or
if you wanted to do something else.
Because I was originally a finance major and I also double
majored Incognaro. And then I kind of was applying
to labs and neuroscience and then I was applying to finance
roles for internships. And then on top of that, I
realized, you know, I'm actually really passionate about data
analytics. So I'm going to pivot myself a
little bit. So for a while, I had at least
three different types of resumes going.
One was a finance one, one was a data analytics one, one was a
neuroscience one for labs at school.
And I think that was really helpful and compared to just
having one, I think especially with AI these days and like your
resume does get read by not a real person and it is really
looking for those keywords that apply to the job description.
So for me, if I had more finance words like balance sheets, P&L,
receivables and things like that, that kind of helps your
resume get picked up a little better compared to maybe a Dana
data analytics role where I would say Power BI, Tableau in
some of those skills in there. 100% I feel like looking up
unique action words is also like fun.
Like don't use the same one like a million times on your resume,
yeah. I think they should all be
different. If not like you twice Max right?
Like for. Yeah, like if every single one
says achieved, I'm going to stop reading your resume because it's
boring. On that holistic view and
formatting, I think that having bold and italics really helps.
So for me, each of my workplaces of work are on bold and then
underneath that each of the titles are an italics.
And then everything else is just regular font.
And then I think the smallest font you should go is probably
size 10, and probably the biggest should be 12.
Oh yeah, and please for the love of God, stop using all of these
like crazy colorful like side panel resumes that you can pull
off the Internet. Like just just black and white
is fine. Black and white is fine.
It will get you the job if like and like unless you're Elle
Woods and you're printing it on pink scented paper, then I'll
give you the free pass. But like yeah like if I just
type into Google like resume template.
I hate them. They're really bad and they're
yeah, do not use those please. Just use like a regular standard
black and white one do like New York Times or like old standard
or something like font. Like, they have all kinds of
ghetto, like, icons and like, people's faces and about me
sections. Like, yeah, you know, just no.
Yeah, I think especially the photo on there is not.
I know some people are like, oh, but I want them to know who I
am. That's why you have a LinkedIn.
Like that's why you have your profile picture on your
LinkedIn. So people can go to that and be
like, Oh yeah, they connected with me.
I remember who this was. And that's kind of the extra
step because you have that. You don't really need that on
your resume. Yeah, like your LinkedIn handle
should already be on there and hopefully that shows more about
your personality and stuff. And also I feel like just like
having your picture is not great for resume, it takes away from
them just like reading what you've actually accomplished.
Maybe, yeah. And the other thing I'll say too
is for your LinkedIn link on the top of your profile.
You know how sometimes it has those weird letters afterwards
because it's like the URL. So what you guys are going to do
is if you go to LinkedIn and go to your profile page, click on
the little pencil next to the public profile and URL.
And then from there you can customize your URL to not have
those like weird letters at the end of your name.
So it's just like www.linkedin.com/in slash your
name and that's it. And then it looks a little bit
cleaner on your resume too, but that's not like super necessary,
just kind of just a cleanliness thing.
Agreed. Agreed.
I mean, I think that really, you know, if you follow our tips
from us 2 super successful people, you're going to have a
great. Resume.
But yeah, and there's a lot of like AI chat bots too, like your
AI, like what is it called? AI things?
I sound like an old person, OK? Those little AI things out there
that do things for you and they're going to take all your
jobs. Those websites that help you
cater you like type in the job description and then you put in
your resume and it helps you kind of automate it to have the
kind of word usage that they're looking for is kind of helpful
too. And I've heard some people get
great results with that, but I wouldn't let it completely
change, you know, your resume in the structure.
Obviously look over it and don't just submit anything blindly,
but I think that can be helpful for some people.
Yeah, I forgot those exists, but that's it's definitely a great
tip, especially since AI is getting the first pass at all
resumes now. Yeah.
Also I wanted to say that titles, I think you can stretch
a little. Maybe this is a little bit
controversial, but for some internships I've had, especially
at smaller firms or firms that are undergoing a huge
organizational shift, I've had myself come in as a strategy
intern, but then midway they change it to like an insights
analyst. So then I kind of have a little
bit more room with what I want to call it because just that
title has changed and my position isn't exactly what it
was originally. Especially this is more common
with startups or volunteer positions where maybe you're
working under or have a lot of different hats on.
So you can kind of pick and choose like a little bit more of
an angle that you want to take. Again, don't change this
completely, especially if you're in a really well developed
internship program that people know of and know that the title
is pretty strict. But if you do work for a startup
or something smaller, like for example, for that internship
where I started out with strategy and that went into
insights, I ended up mixing them together and calling myself like
a digital strategy, analytics in turn, yeah.
So that also can be useful. And it's super helpful and like
just kind of giving readers more of an idea of what you actually
did. Yeah.
The other thing is, I know Clara, are you fluent in any
language? English.
OK. So we're not fluent in any other
language. Don't you know Spanish though?
A little bit? Or not really?
I can like I could read almost anything in Spanish but like and
I could someone could talk to me in Spanish but I just can't
really talk bad OK? So the first half you've got
like the second. I'm 1 directionally fluent.
OK, don't put that. That's maybe 1 directionally
fluent. But anyways, so some people do
put that on their resume and say you definitely want to say like
how proficient you are. In my skills section, I say how
proficient I am in certain skills just because like
especially with coding, you don't want to put like Python
And have them assume you're really great Python coder if
you're just kind of intermediate.
So I think that's helpful, but especially what?
I'm going to push back on this one.
This might be a hot take. I'll put it on there.
Fuck it, I'll learn it before I show up.
Like, you know, clear. But like all of Python like that
is so difficult, like for coding languages that are like, you
know, really advanced and I feel like certain advanced topics
there is going to be like a large range of experience.
I mean, I'm pretty good at Java and Python.
I don't put that on my resume. Maybe for coding languages that
have so many levels like that, but don't do that for Microsoft
Word, right? You can learn that, Yeah, yeah.
Okay, But I would say some things like Excel, I don't know
because there are a lot of tricks like X look up, V look
up. If you don't really know what
you're doing or don't know the shortcuts like in finance, I
will say that's a much bigger deal than if you're doing
something like. Can I just say how much I fuck I
how much I fuck with X lookup? Like X lookup is like the way
better version of V lookup I only way I.
Heard V lookup is better than X lookup.
I've only used V lookup and not X lookup.
Now V lookup can honestly go jump off a Cliff.
I love X lookup. OK, what's the difference again?
I totally forget. If you look up, it's like all of
your data has to be in the left hand column and like like either
from like great smallest to greatest or like alphabetical
A-Z. And it's just like doing left
columns comparing and then pulling data on the other table.
But X look up goes like all directions.
So you can really can really start getting jazzy and pulling
in all kinds of things. I love Excel.
OK, we can stop the nerd talk from that side of the podcast.
But anyways, but yeah, I wanted to bring out languages
specifically because there have been, I mean, this is like
notorious that specifically banks and like very global
companies, if you say you're proficient in a certain
language, sometimes they'll have interviewers interview and mid
interview, they'll switch to the other language and test if you
actually know it or if you're just kind of like fibbing on
your resume. And I've heard this happen to
multiple people. This is not something like
obviously you want to stretch, like Claire said, some of the
other skills, maybe you can say like, OK, I'm a little bit
better than I actually AM and learn it beforehand.
But obviously language is not really one of those things.
And sometimes they will actually test you in that.
So I would just just be a little bit careful on that front.
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