1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,920 It's Katie and. Claire. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,480 And this week we have a special treat for you. 3 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,640 We've dug up Katie's resumes from starting back in fifth 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,920 grade, which is insane. What 5th grader has a resume? 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,360 But stay tuned for this one. It's going to be a good one. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,960 Corporate crash out? Will you cash in or crash out? 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,040 So before we get into resume content, Katie, I'm just 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,120 curious, in what world is 1/5 grader needing to have a resume? 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,440 You know, Claire, I was a really wannabe, I think, actor at that 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,760 point. I really wanted to get into it, 11 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,520 acting and my school kept putting me into bands and I 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,040 really hated bands. But it's because I used to play 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,520 the recorder and then my sister was like, oh, you should play 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,040 the flute because she played the flute. 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,480 And then I was like built this whole like little resume to try 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,520 to get out of bands but kept getting stuck there year after 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,480 year. But finally in 8th grade, I was 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,520 able to do acting. So I was super cool. 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,520 And then I did it in 9th and 10th grade too, which my friend 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,160 made fun of me for. But that's OK, Katie. 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,360 Katie's first resume secure her big break in acting, which I 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,280 have to know, is this like a real TV show or is this like a 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,880 school play? For which? 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,560 For your acting career. Like on my resume or what I did? 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,320 No, I'm saying like you made your resume. 26 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:34,240 I have it here. Actually, let me just since this 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,120 is an audio show, let me give a brief synopsis of this resume. 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,080 First of all, at the top we have Katie, her e-mail, pretty 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,280 standard resume. Then we have height 56, 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,440 impressive for your age honestly. 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Hair light brown. Eyes Hazel. 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Which I want it to be Hazel, let's start there. 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,520 But they're really brown, so. You know, enacting anything's 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,920 possible. You could get the colored 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,520 contacts, you know. Yeah, she has four, four 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,000 different subheaders, which, you know, that's pretty standard 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,240 resume behavior. So she has educational theater. 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,080 She was in the cheese play playing feta also. 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,600 Also, can we talk about how the middle column is very 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,520 misaligned? OK, I'm sorry. 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,120 I was in fifth grade. What do you expect, Claire? 42 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Like I barely knew how to type in fifth grade. 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,400 So. Instead of instead of musical 44 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 experience, we have arts experiences, applied lessons, 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,840 recital. We have all sorts of band 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,120 content. Then we have training, voice 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,320 lessons, flute lessons, special talents, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,000 whoa, whoa, whoa. Swimming, maybe you could have 49 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,560 got a part on like a swim team movie, I don't know. 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,280 I could have literally played Michael Phelps in like a 51 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,280 documentary, but you know, guess it's just a missed opportunity. 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,720 Oh well. Wasn't this like before? 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,360 He was big if you were five? I don't even know if he had been 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,760 to the Olympics. Yet great. 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Not 5. You think I was 5-6 when I was 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,680 five? That would be so concerning. 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,360 I really, I really was thinking a lot this whole time. 58 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,840 I'm so dumb sometimes. OK, can we talk about what is 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,840 formal dancing? Is that not ballroom? 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,360 Yeah, so I had to do cotillion and 6th, 7th and 8th grade. 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,320 And so I had, I was like, yeah, I know how to do formal dancing. 62 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,760 And you know, not every 5th or 6th grader can do that. 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 So I guess maybe this was in 7th grade then if I said I did 64 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,360 formal dancing. OK, are you all ready for the 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,640 highlight of this resume, the special talent whistling you? 66 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Have to really like differentiate yourself when you 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,560 act OK, and you just have to put all the talents you know, you 68 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 have on there. I really didn't have a ton of 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,800 talents at the time. And this is kind of true of your 70 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,480 actual resume too. You just got to throw on what 71 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,600 you can do, you know, like if you can do it somewhat well, put 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,640 it on there, you know? You know, I've never made an 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,960 acting resume before, but it's just normal behavior for Atlanta 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,080 since they're like a little bit of a film hotspot. 75 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,840 Are a lot of people extras? Yeah. 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,400 So like a ton of people are extras and I really wanted to be 77 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,399 an extra and a few things and I did end up being an extra, but 78 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,120 yeah, we had to make a portfolio for acting class and then we 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,800 also had to like submit head shots and stuff like that in a 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,480 full body like picture. So that was kind of. 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Cool, and you made it to be an extra in what show? 82 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Insatiable. It's like with Debbie Ryan. 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,880 Wait, I've seen that. Yeah, Oh my God I am. 84 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,160 I totally forget but I'm one of the goth high school characters 85 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,120 in the background and the guy at my table got to stay in line and 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,160 I was so jealous because they just like randomly picked one of 87 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,600 us to yell something out. I'm upset I need to be in like 88 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,440 major motion picture before I die. 89 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,680 I know, me too. We should work on that, Claire. 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,200 OK, so right now they're filming 911 Nashville. 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,400 OK. And so I didn't even know they 92 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,360 were doing this and I'm sitting at my desk, blah blah blah blah. 93 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,600 Office manager sends out a company wide e-mail and says 94 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,960 hey, at 7:00 PM tonight in front of the office building, they're 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,440 going to be filming 901 Nashville. 96 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,760 There's going to be lots of fire trucks and in the cop car and 97 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,240 they're like all got their sirens on. 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,200 Don't be alarmed. Wait your. 99 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,120 Accounting manager said this. My office manager like sent this 100 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,280 out like company wide e-mail blast This is like 2 weeks ago 101 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,560 and I'm like shit should I stay and when they come just like go 102 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,400 running outside screaming like is this my time Is this my big 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,800 break? Unfortunately, I I couldn't make 104 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,080 it. All I could think about that 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,600 whole day was like, is anyone from the office going to stay 106 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,080 and try to be on this show? You know, that's so interesting 107 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,280 because I always wondered how they film those shows with the 108 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:54,840 offices. You know what I'm talking about? 109 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,360 Like do they rent out an empty office building to just film 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,120 outside of? Or I guess they just use a real 111 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,920 one, but at night after hours. Well, it was technically on the 112 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,040 intersection by our. Office OK, so slightly less 113 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,400 cool. You can't show the movie and be 114 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,600 like, that's where I work, Dad, you know, but. 115 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,160 Like maybe I could maybe watch the TV show and be like, hey, 116 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,840 that's my office, but I don't know. 117 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,000 Anyways, Can you imagine? If you were just leaning out the 118 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,920 window while they like had the movie and you're like, that's me 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,920 all the way up there. They're like filming a fake car 120 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:34,240 crash, apparently. OK, well we should get to the 121 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 actual. Derailed, I know. 122 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,360 We really derailed. OK so back to roasting. 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,400 I know we roasted my you know, 5th grade acting resume, but 124 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,240 let's roast my high school resume since this is also what I 125 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,480 applied to my first internship with in high school my senior 126 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,520 year and college. Claire has never seen this 127 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,360 before. I just want to preface this, 128 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,880 this is like a blind review and roast from Claire so I want to 129 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,840 hear what you think. My initial thought is why do we 130 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,280 have 3 pages as a senior in high school, this is too long. 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,560 OK, Claire, I also didn't know that it was supposed to be 132 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,920 really short and I kind of wanted to write everything on 133 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,920 there. But yes, that is a great point 134 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,000 for everyone in college. And if you are in high school 135 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,760 applying to jobs, your resume should be no longer than one 136 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,040 side of a page. So pretty standard. 137 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,240 My second observation I sent this is a roast is why the fuck 138 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,400 does anyone care if you're the most improved award on your swim 139 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,320 team in 9th grade? Actually clear, it was really 140 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,280 hard to get that award. I had to go to a lot of hours of 141 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,480 practice and whatever, I don't really care. 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,560 So I actually did have to go to or I wanted to go to camp. 143 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,320 So we had this winter camp and you would be there like all day 144 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,520 and would swim from 8:00 in the morning to like 3:00 PM. 145 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,640 And it was actually insane. It was so hard. 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,400 I mean, you swam miles and miles and it was just insane. 147 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,560 So I did that, which I don't know why I didn't, but I, I will 148 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,160 be the devil's advocate. I do think it is sometimes 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,320 helpful when somebody wins an award to say, obviously you 150 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 don't have to say like what you did to get it, but I think 151 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,280 selected out of blank people because sometimes I have no idea 152 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,559 how competitive awards are. And then if somebody says, Oh 153 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,919 well, there were 10,000 applicants or 10,000 submissions 154 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,240 for this one award, I feel like it carries a little bit more 155 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,440 weight. I, I do agree with that. 156 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,920 And I do think that one other thing I've seen people do is 157 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,400 like, if you got the John Smith Award, don't just put John Smith 158 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,560 Award, expect people to know what that is. 159 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,560 I've seen people put like John Smith Award and they'll be like 160 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,760 awarded for outstanding contributions to the computer 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,600 science community or something like that. 162 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,600 And then they'll put like, you know, 1000 applicants or 163 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,280 whatever. And I think that that's 164 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,720 important because otherwise it means nothing. 165 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,080 And I'm just going to look right over it. 166 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,080 If I was reading your resume. Yeah, I agree. 167 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,640 And like the other thing too is I also want to point out I did 168 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,680 my achievements in high school at the beginning. 169 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,680 You really want to do that. At the end. 170 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:22,360 What's more important is obviously your education first, 171 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,800 your work experience, and then you can kind of have the 172 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,880 achievements and interest section. 173 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,120 But anyways, we'll keep going. One thing that your education 174 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,640 section is lacking is your GPA. You put your scholars list and 175 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,680 other stuff in your achievements but I'm really needing that GPA 176 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,520 at the top. That's fair. 177 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,520 We had. It was confusing how it works 178 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,200 because I wouldn't tell us our rank or kind of our GPA 179 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,840 finalized until the very end. So it was always kind of like we 180 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,040 never really knew. But that's a good point. 181 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,160 Normally you would want your GPA or rank if your school does rank 182 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,640 and like a master's program or something. 183 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Volunteering experience, very nice. 184 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,480 I do think like volunteer experience can say a lot about 185 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,600 someone, especially if like you're just starting out and 186 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640 don't have a lot of work experience. 187 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,200 I think that's something super valid to put on there. 188 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,920 Yeah, I agree. Especially when you get some 189 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,080 more kind of professional resumes and then you can put it 190 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,840 in the leadership and activities section. 191 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,800 I think like that's a good section to put that in. 192 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,480 But anyways. OK. 193 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,600 So then we move into the interest in activities. 194 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,080 Katie has a lot going on here and I will say that nothing on 195 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,760 this on this resume is lacking a description. 196 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,360 She is doing the most bending over backwards to sell herself. 197 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,080 She is really really working hard here. 198 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,480 The formatting is just wow, a lot lot to unpack. 199 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,480 We can move on to my current resume now if we're done 200 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,240 roasting the other one. Do you want to talk about the 201 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,800 interest, the interests and activities section? 202 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,520 Because OK, I have this line at the bottom of my resume. 203 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,240 I've had different people will tell me different things about 204 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,040 this line. Like at the very bottom I have 205 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,520 interests, entrepreneurship, small business, cooking, travel, 206 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,320 and piano. Yeah, is one of your interests. 207 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,600 Oh, I miss that CPA. Oh, that was because yeah, I 208 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,160 mean, that makes sense in my industry. 209 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,680 But now it doesn't. I can remove it because I I 210 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:27,160 don't need that anymore. But I've had so many interviews, 211 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,120 like they'll be like, yeah, your resume looks great. 212 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,120 I also like to do blah blah blah at the bottom. 213 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,680 One time I had rock climbing down there, even though like I 214 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,840 had only been rock climbing like 5 times and people were really, 215 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,040 people were really into talking about that one. 216 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,320 But so I've had that reaction and then I've had my sister like 217 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 look at my resume and be like, you look like a little kid with 218 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:49,920 this. What is this? 219 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,840 Why is this on your resume? Yeah, I totally agree. 220 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,560 It's like really dependent on what you're kind of going for. 221 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:58,920 I think in school sometimes they told us, OK, well, if you do 222 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,160 have interests, it's kind of cool for an interviewer to look 223 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,840 at that and kind of connect with you on a little bit of more 224 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,960 personal level. Like it makes you stand out a 225 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,960 little bit if they find some common ground with you. 226 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,160 But I do also think that, I don't know, some people are nice 227 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,840 into, you know, the interest section and we'll kind of just 228 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,920 skip over that or think it's unnecessary. 229 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,560 I think it's super fun. If I was an interviewer, I want 230 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:28,720 to see people's interests. Like, you know, how do you be 231 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,800 relatable on a piece of paper? I this is the only thing I can 232 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,640 think of to be honest. I think back to kind of the 233 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,280 basics. So we talked about having like 234 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,840 the basic sections, education, professional experience, 235 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,400 leadership and activities and skills and interests. 236 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,880 But. Claire, I'm going to ask you, 237 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,200 one of the first things I always think about is with under your 238 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,280 education section, at what point do you leave off the GPA? 239 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,920 Like if you know for some reason you bombed the semester or 240 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,800 something like that, some people will say if you have AGPA under 241 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,160 3.0 to just leave it off the resume. 242 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,760 Some people say leave it on. What's your personal take? 243 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,680 Yeah, I think that like if you could still make the resume look 244 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,760 full, I think you kind of like have to play with it. 245 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,040 So it's like not obvious that you're leaving off the GPA and 246 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,160 like maybe if like you had some good semesters, you could like 247 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,120 leave Dean's list on and like not have the GPA or something 248 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,680 like that to show that you're still like being successful in 249 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:30,320 your studies. But I do think that that's, I've 250 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,520 never heard that. That's never been an issue for 251 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,720 me like being below 3. But I guess like if I saw 252 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,280 someone's resume and it was like below a three, I'd be a little 253 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,440 concerned. So. 254 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,640 Yeah, and I also think if they really want your GPA, they 255 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,560 usually have a spot for it on work day anyway when you're 256 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:49,360 applying. But yeah, I don't know, that's 257 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,520 just something to consider if you are worried about your GPA, 258 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,400 maybe leave it off if it's under 3 O unless you know you are 259 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,240 doing a really hard major and that's more typical for your 260 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,400 field. Yeah. 261 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,480 The other thing that I found too is like your freshman year in 262 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,680 college, like you really need to drop the high school immediately 263 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:12,360 as soon as you're like accepted to college. 264 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,840 Like that's all I really care about. 265 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,040 I would say like, unless your college grade is really bad the 266 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,120 first semester or something and you did really, really well in 267 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,600 high school, I think that can kind of like supplement it a 268 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,880 little bit. But yeah, I would say like once 269 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,600 you get to probably like sophomore year at least right to 270 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,320 drop it. But yeah. 271 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,720 No, that's a good point. That's a good point. 272 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,200 One of the other things I really like doing so under my section 273 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,040 is for education. I am not sure if you did this to 274 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Claire, but maybe it's not as common in like accounting 275 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,280 because it's pretty straightforward, like what 276 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,920 classes you have to take. But since my master's degrees in 277 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,880 stats, a little bit more ambiguous what kind of stats 278 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,760 courses you're interested and want to take. 279 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,280 So I list some of those out. Like I took natural language 280 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,240 processing and machine learning and time series analysis. 281 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,960 And so I put those in there just in case a job specifically 282 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,360 requires some of those things. Yeah, I think that's definitely 283 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,000 like very industry specific. Like there's certain majors like 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,400 mechanical engineering, it's like pretty standard what you're 285 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,840 going to take accounting, we have to all take pretty much the 286 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,920 same shit. So I think that that's like 287 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,120 super specific to industry. But like definitely if it's to 288 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,120 your benefit to be like to really kind of narrow down like 289 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,080 your candidacy for a job and like show that you're really 290 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,200 relevant, I think that's like really good thing to have. 291 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Yeah, I agree. One of the other things I wanted 292 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,400 to talk about was overall, I think when you look at your 293 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,480 resume, it should be consistent with your LinkedIn. 294 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,360 And I just think that the titles should be the same. 295 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,160 You know, if you were an analytics intern, then make sure 296 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,280 it says analytics intern on your LinkedIn. 297 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,040 If you said you started in May for your internship, also make 298 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,880 sure that's represented on your LinkedIn. 299 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,200 I just think, you know, you go through a lot of periods of 300 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,600 adjustments and sometimes their start date changes. 301 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,520 But I think when you do have discrepancies on your LinkedIn 302 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,200 and resume, it can look kind of confusing and like you don't 303 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,240 really know what's going on and aren't really organized. 304 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,360 But that being said, like your resume and LinkedIn are two 305 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,760 separate entities. They do not need to be, you 306 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,880 know, 100% copies of each other, but I think they should at least 307 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:36,400 be consistent with each other. 100% And one thing is that I 308 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,840 think is a really big deal these days is putting your LinkedIn 309 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,520 handle at the top of your resume instead of like, I don't even 310 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,000 know, instead of something. But like, you should have your 311 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,000 phone number, your name, your e-mail, and your LinkedIn handle 312 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,160 because you know, obviously your resume doesn't have a picture of 313 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,920 you on it, so you need to put it on there because it's kind of 314 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,200 hard to guess. Yeah. 315 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,720 Another thing I wanted to say about that is I noticed that 316 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,040 neither of us put our address on our resume. 317 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,920 That used to be a very standard practice back when you had to 318 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,560 like mail things, but now it's definitely not as the case. 319 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,040 If you really wanted to, if you were applying to a specific 320 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,680 city, I mean, you could put like this city, but I personally 321 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,880 wouldn't put my address on there just because it's not necessary. 322 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,960 What's your take on that, Claire? 323 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:25,160 100% I think that's a thing of the past. 324 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,680 Like who cares where your address is? 325 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,160 Like you're not trying to mail this in. 326 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,280 You're not going to try to get mail from these companies. 327 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,800 They're going to e-mail you or call you. 328 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,520 But I do think having the phone number on there is top tier. 329 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,880 Like that's a must. I've seen people that just have 330 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,160 like their e-mail and I'm like, go ahead and put that phone 331 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,280 number on there. Yeah. 332 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,040 And then do you do your personal e-mail or your school e-mail? 333 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,880 Personal, everything for my job goes to my personal because I, I 334 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,800 don't know, I like to separate that a little bit, but I think 335 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,600 that's like definitely a personal preference. 336 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,160 Yeah, I mean, I do my usually my school e-mail. 337 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,800 I mean, I put both emails on there when I apply so they can 338 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,560 like reach out to either. But I do my school e-mail just 339 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,560 because I feel like I have like a signature on my school e-mail. 340 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,840 I don't know for me. Queen, I can show you how to put 341 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,280 that on your Gmail. No, I know how to put it on 342 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,760 there. I'm just lazy and I haven't done 343 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,080 it yet. So I just have everything sent 344 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:30,200 to my school e-mail and then I remember it's like I constantly 345 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,720 look at my school e-mail. So if anything ever pops up and 346 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,400 they send it to me, like I'll be sure to like make sure I look at 347 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,440 that. This is literally exactly what I 348 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,320 was going to say is like, I think at the end of the day, 349 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,200 just put the e-mail that you're actually going to check. 350 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,520 Yeah, because if an employer emails you back these days, you 351 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,880 have to immediately respond because they're out here 352 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,680 ghosting everyone. So. 353 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,640 Yeah, for real. One one thing I'm seeing on your 354 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,440 resume, is it normal when you work for a publicly traded 355 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,360 company to put their ticker? I've never worked for a publicly 356 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,720 traded company, so I've just never seen that. 357 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,520 OK so I started doing this just because I thought it was like 358 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,200 kind of fun on LinkedIn. I noticed that some companies, 359 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,240 when you put in their name, their company name, it has a 360 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,680 ticker next to it. I think this was especially 361 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,640 important for me when I worked at a few companies that were 362 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,680 publicly traded, but people didn't know it of them as well. 363 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,760 Like they weren't, you know, top Fortune 100 companies or 364 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,560 something like that. So I would put the ticker there 365 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,320 just so people knew that it was like an actual company and that 366 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,560 it was public. I think I was also trying to get 367 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,200 into the tech space a little bit more. 368 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,040 So I felt like this might have been a little bit more important 369 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,720 to just make sure that people really took it seriously. 370 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,280 But I think it's totally optional. 371 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,320 No, I think it's fun. I like it. 372 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,680 I just noticed something about your resume, though. 373 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,880 I You're in big trouble, Katie. What? 374 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,400 There's something missing on this resume. 375 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,640 What? I ran out of room. 376 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,400 Can you tell? You're just so accomplished you 377 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,960 ran out of room. No. 378 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,080 What's missing? Are you going to say my capital? 379 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,080 No, I don't. Yes, your sorority, you have no 380 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 idea how. No, I'm not even shitting you. 381 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,440 How many people are like get so excited when they realize I was 382 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,800 in a sorority? OK, maybe I'll put that under 383 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,280 the clubs and involvement. I used to have that under 384 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,400 leadership and activities, but then I was like, well, since I'm 385 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,160 trying to get into more statistics and a finance role, I 386 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,920 used to be, you know, VPF of my sorority, which is like 387 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,520 treasurer. But then I was also like a for a 388 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,440 statistics class. I really only had the room to 389 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920 put one of them. And I was like, well, since I'm 390 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,920 trying to get into statistics, I'm going to lean towards that. 391 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,200 But that is a fair. Point what if KD is interviewing 392 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,800 you by chance? You know how many points that 393 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:56,200 gives you? I'm fired up about this one. 394 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,680 I'm going to riot. Yeah, I think it also depends 395 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,440 like where you work and and the kind of culture that's there 396 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,080 right now at my current place of work, I don't think there's a 397 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,360 ton of fraternity sorority culture, but you know, it's. 398 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Too bad my dream is like just a room full of frat boys and 399 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,720 sorority girls just crunching numbers all. 400 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,200 Day. OK. 401 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,120 But yeah, maybe I'll add that back in because that is a good 402 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,200 point. It is something that you know 403 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,040 your interviewer can connect with you on. 404 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,800 Do you think that the Coldplay couple, do you think they're in 405 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,680 a frat in a sorority? I never know what the tech guys, 406 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,880 you know, I feel like they came out of college pretty nerdy. 407 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,720 You weren't really in a frat. And then that's kind of why they 408 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,600 act the way they do later in life, you know? 409 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,480 It's like all of a sudden, take all of a sudden they have money 410 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,720 and they kind of turn into a DILF and then they're like, what 411 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,920 do I do with this? I'll sleep with the head of HR 412 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,480 on the girl who cheated. His resume can bag any CEO. 413 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,360 Special Skills Special. Skills sleeping with CEOs. 414 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:11,120 Okay, stop. You've only really been 415 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:14,520 interested in accounting, right? You haven't really been 416 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,360 interested in other like functions or. 417 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,720 I've had interest in other functions I. 418 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,880 This is really funny. I-1 time interviewed for an HR 419 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,400 job. Oh my gosh, this is the worst 420 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,000 resume story ever. Actually Claire, I cannot 421 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,920 imagine you being an HR job, you would lose it in like 2 days. 422 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,800 No, I would be the worst HR person ever. 423 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,040 If someone came up to me the problem, I'd be like OK, grow 424 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,840 up, I'm busy. I don't know what you want me to 425 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,160 do about this. So yeah, I thought I wanted this 426 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,000 HR internship because for a minute I was like, maybe I'd be 427 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,280 good at that. I don't know what delusional 428 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,440 drink I was drinking, but not the right one. 429 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,880 So I go to this company near, I don't remember the name of the 430 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,760 company, it was an investment company, but I was obviously 431 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,280 interviewing for an HR position. And I meet with the head of HR. 432 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,040 She's really nice. But I walk into her office and 433 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,000 my resume is on her table and it's marked up like there's 434 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,680 circles and lines and like cat. Yes. 435 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:26,400 And it was really sweet of her. She was like, Hey, I think your 436 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,000 experiences are great, but I just, I found a couple things 437 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,600 wrong with your resume and I just wanted to like point them 438 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,840 out to you. Like this word is spelled wrong 439 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,120 and. No. 440 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,320 And she was like, and like, you're missing like a calm, I 441 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,840 hear. Like it was like, like very 442 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,000 technical grammar stuff. And she had like marked up my 443 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,760 resume and then she like, gave it back to me and she was like, 444 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,520 we'll be in touch, whatever. And I walked out of there. 445 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,320 I was like, fuck, I'm so stupid. I didn't even like check to make 446 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,960 sure all my words were spelled right. 447 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,440 But I mean, like, the interview went well. 448 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,480 Like obviously, like I could talk to her in person. 449 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,960 Like, she was nice. She was personable. 450 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,160 She gave me an office to her. Like she was definitely like 451 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,400 interested in me and so, but also she's in HR so she could 452 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,800 have been playing me. I don't know. 453 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,400 So I leave, I follow up on the interview, all the good things. 454 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,600 It's not a week later that woman like left the company and it was 455 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,280 like a whole ordeal. Like she like dramatically left. 456 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,160 They eliminated the position they completely reached. 457 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,840 It was a whole thing, like a whole. 458 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,600 So obviously I didn't end up with the internship, which that 459 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,480 was such a blessing in disguise, but I'll never forget like 460 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,920 walking in there, it's like one of my first interviews ever. 461 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,240 Like this had to have been like freshman or sophomore year of 462 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,560 college. And my resume is like all marked 463 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,120 up on her desk. It's like. 464 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,720 That's so stressful. I've never had anyone mark up my 465 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,440 resume. I feel like that would just. 466 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,680 And it was stressful, but also it's like, I appreciate the 467 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,200 feedback. Like low key, like, yeah. 468 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,320 And she, she was so kind about it too. 469 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,920 She was like, I know like you're in college and like you're just 470 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,920 like looking for interns and stuff. 471 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,080 But like, it's important that we all give each other professional 472 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560 feedback about. I was like, OK, like, thank you 473 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,240 so much. Like this is awkward. 474 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,960 But like it was, I guess it was kind of nice, but in a cut 475 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,000 throat bag. Yeah, well, I had Grammarly when 476 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,360 I started doing resumes and stuff, so that was nice. 477 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,640 And then now with chat, I feel like it's so much easier to make 478 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,680 sure everything just seems very seamless and is put together and 479 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,520 things like that. I mean. 480 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320 I had gram, I had Grammarly, that wasn't the issue. 481 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,280 I don't. Like that suck. 482 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,160 Was it just, I don't know what I was doing. 483 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,480 I definitely read the resume like a million times too. 484 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,400 So I think honestly, you know what the story boils down to is 485 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,400 that you need to always have someone else read your resume. 486 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,680 That's true. Even if it's just a friend or 487 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,480 yeah, just a friend who's also kind of applying to the same 488 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,880 industry or somebody who's in that industry and kind of kind 489 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,920 of give you some good feedback. I think that is really, really 490 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,120 helpful to have. Yeah, 100% so. 491 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,120 You could read the same thing about times just miss something 492 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,280 because it's right in front of your face. 493 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,920 So I think it's super important to not only self review. 494 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,840 No, I totally agree. And like Speaking of chat, I 495 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,440 honestly like if I don't know how to word something or if I 496 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,920 don't know. A lot of people use, and this is 497 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280 very common to use verbs to start out right, like your 498 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,320 bullet points because you just want to get straight into the 499 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,040 meat of the resume. You don't want to really use 500 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,480 like a bunch of nouns in the beginning. 501 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,960 People kind of already know what you're talking about and just 502 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000 just to save space, just start with a verb. 503 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,800 And I think that's really helpful for chat to just give 504 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,120 you some ideas. You know, you submit like, oh, 505 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,480 here's what I'm thinking of saying. 506 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,560 How can I make this better? And have it like list 10 ways 507 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,600 that you could also word it. And I think picking the one you 508 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,600 feel like fits best really works well. 509 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,520 The other thing I think we should talk about is having 510 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,080 numbers in your resume. I was, it's literally going to 511 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,320 bring this up. It's like it's what is the 512 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,400 action results in quantify or something like that? 513 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,840 Yeah, like you need to say in action what the results are and 514 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,720 then like quantify it somehow. Yeah, I know they said like in 515 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,280 almost at least under each description of each job have at 516 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,240 least one number. I would argue like for every 517 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600 bullet you should have one number. 518 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,160 But basically, like Claire said, you just want to quantify, you 519 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600 know, what was your impact because otherwise people don't 520 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,640 really know. I mean, it's more of a 521 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,440 qualitative thing that a quantitative thing. 522 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,840 People really latch on to numbers and even if you don't 523 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,560 really know the exact number to kind of estimate it, like if I 524 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,160 worked on 50 product listings, I'll say, OK, I optimize 50 plus 525 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,920 product listings. Or if I increase product 526 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,120 revenue, I'll say I resulted in a 10% increase in product 527 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:53,920 revenue. And those are a lot more 528 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040 tangible to people reading your application and seeing a little 529 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,080 bit more real. Shit, I need more numbers on my 530 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,400 resume. I never even really. 531 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,600 I don't even know if it's my most recent resume to be honest. 532 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,360 You have. Like. 533 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,320 Four, I have a like 4. I don't know. 534 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,800 I need to if you can. This is not my most recent 535 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,920 resume. Where would that be? 536 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,120 I don't know. Recently. 537 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,760 OK, here's the story. We couldn't find my old resume 538 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 to roast because that was 2 Macbooks ago. 539 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,800 You should have it on Google Drive or something. 540 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,520 That's where I put all of mine. And this is a great point too. 541 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800 You guys should keep all of your resumes since the very 542 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,520 beginning. And I know that sounds crazy 543 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,320 because you're like, it's the exact same thing, just different 544 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,360 words like better wording. But there are things that I 545 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,160 totally forget I've done and that I've written on my previous 546 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,520 resumes. And I'm like, Oh yeah, like I 547 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,440 could use this piece here. I'm applying to like a slightly 548 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,640 different job. And like I could use some of 549 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,320 that information I had in a previous resume again. 550 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,840 But anyways, what? OK, I want to circle back to 551 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,160 that, but my thing is, you know, I lost those resumes pre college 552 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,520 from that MacBook and then I had my college MacBook and then I 553 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,600 switched to a Lenovo. So now it's just like I don't 554 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,240 know where the fuck anything is. I think it's in the cloud 555 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,680 somewhere, but which cloud I couldn't tell you. 556 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920 They all hold rain, and I don't know which one it's in. 557 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:26,880 So just like I yeah, I couldn't tell you where that is. 558 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,920 But Sir, going back to your point about keeping your old 559 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600 resumes, this is so true. People, like, think that you 560 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240 make one resume and, like, submit it to all your jobs, but 561 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,800 that's wrong. You're supposed to tailor it for 562 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,040 each specific role you're applying for. 563 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,680 Yeah. And that's kind of why I asked 564 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,920 you to like if you always knew you wanted to do accounting or 565 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,160 if you wanted to do something else. 566 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Because I was originally a finance major and I also double 567 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,760 majored Incognaro. And then I kind of was applying 568 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,960 to labs and neuroscience and then I was applying to finance 569 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,160 roles for internships. And then on top of that, I 570 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720 realized, you know, I'm actually really passionate about data 571 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,680 analytics. So I'm going to pivot myself a 572 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,880 little bit. So for a while, I had at least 573 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,840 three different types of resumes going. 574 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,160 One was a finance one, one was a data analytics one, one was a 575 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,320 neuroscience one for labs at school. 576 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,040 And I think that was really helpful and compared to just 577 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,760 having one, I think especially with AI these days and like your 578 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,680 resume does get read by not a real person and it is really 579 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,000 looking for those keywords that apply to the job description. 580 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:35,280 So for me, if I had more finance words like balance sheets, P&L, 581 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,280 receivables and things like that, that kind of helps your 582 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,240 resume get picked up a little better compared to maybe a Dana 583 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,680 data analytics role where I would say Power BI, Tableau in 584 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:52,040 some of those skills in there. 100% I feel like looking up 585 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,480 unique action words is also like fun. 586 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,200 Like don't use the same one like a million times on your resume, 587 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360 yeah. I think they should all be 588 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,960 different. If not like you twice Max right? 589 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,720 Like for. Yeah, like if every single one 590 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,720 says achieved, I'm going to stop reading your resume because it's 591 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,600 boring. On that holistic view and 592 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,000 formatting, I think that having bold and italics really helps. 593 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,040 So for me, each of my workplaces of work are on bold and then 594 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,280 underneath that each of the titles are an italics. 595 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,760 And then everything else is just regular font. 596 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,160 And then I think the smallest font you should go is probably 597 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280 size 10, and probably the biggest should be 12. 598 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Oh yeah, and please for the love of God, stop using all of these 599 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,200 like crazy colorful like side panel resumes that you can pull 600 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,680 off the Internet. Like just just black and white 601 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,560 is fine. Black and white is fine. 602 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,640 It will get you the job if like and like unless you're Elle 603 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,960 Woods and you're printing it on pink scented paper, then I'll 604 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,840 give you the free pass. But like yeah like if I just 605 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,760 type into Google like resume template. 606 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,600 I hate them. They're really bad and they're 607 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,920 yeah, do not use those please. Just use like a regular standard 608 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,960 black and white one do like New York Times or like old standard 609 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,480 or something like font. Like, they have all kinds of 610 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,440 ghetto, like, icons and like, people's faces and about me 611 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,680 sections. Like, yeah, you know, just no. 612 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Yeah, I think especially the photo on there is not. 613 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,520 I know some people are like, oh, but I want them to know who I 614 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,600 am. That's why you have a LinkedIn. 615 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,360 Like that's why you have your profile picture on your 616 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,000 LinkedIn. So people can go to that and be 617 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,160 like, Oh yeah, they connected with me. 618 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520 I remember who this was. And that's kind of the extra 619 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520 step because you have that. You don't really need that on 620 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,520 your resume. Yeah, like your LinkedIn handle 621 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,280 should already be on there and hopefully that shows more about 622 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,800 your personality and stuff. And also I feel like just like 623 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,880 having your picture is not great for resume, it takes away from 624 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000 them just like reading what you've actually accomplished. 625 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Maybe, yeah. And the other thing I'll say too 626 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,000 is for your LinkedIn link on the top of your profile. 627 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,840 You know how sometimes it has those weird letters afterwards 628 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,840 because it's like the URL. So what you guys are going to do 629 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,560 is if you go to LinkedIn and go to your profile page, click on 630 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,120 the little pencil next to the public profile and URL. 631 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,160 And then from there you can customize your URL to not have 632 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,480 those like weird letters at the end of your name. 633 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,440 So it's just like www.linkedin.com/in slash your 634 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,440 name and that's it. And then it looks a little bit 635 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,040 cleaner on your resume too, but that's not like super necessary, 636 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,240 just kind of just a cleanliness thing. 637 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,080 Agreed. Agreed. 638 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,760 I mean, I think that really, you know, if you follow our tips 639 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,120 from us 2 super successful people, you're going to have a 640 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,720 great. Resume. 641 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,520 But yeah, and there's a lot of like AI chat bots too, like your 642 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,120 AI, like what is it called? AI things? 643 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,199 I sound like an old person, OK? Those little AI things out there 644 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,480 that do things for you and they're going to take all your 645 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,679 jobs. Those websites that help you 646 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,639 cater you like type in the job description and then you put in 647 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,040 your resume and it helps you kind of automate it to have the 648 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,280 kind of word usage that they're looking for is kind of helpful 649 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,719 too. And I've heard some people get 650 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,320 great results with that, but I wouldn't let it completely 651 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,000 change, you know, your resume in the structure. 652 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,159 Obviously look over it and don't just submit anything blindly, 653 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,960 but I think that can be helpful for some people. 654 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,480 Yeah, I forgot those exists, but that's it's definitely a great 655 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,040 tip, especially since AI is getting the first pass at all 656 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,720 resumes now. Yeah. 657 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,560 Also I wanted to say that titles, I think you can stretch 658 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,520 a little. Maybe this is a little bit 659 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,160 controversial, but for some internships I've had, especially 660 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,680 at smaller firms or firms that are undergoing a huge 661 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:20,280 organizational shift, I've had myself come in as a strategy 662 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080 intern, but then midway they change it to like an insights 663 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,080 analyst. So then I kind of have a little 664 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,520 bit more room with what I want to call it because just that 665 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,560 title has changed and my position isn't exactly what it 666 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,000 was originally. Especially this is more common 667 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,880 with startups or volunteer positions where maybe you're 668 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,720 working under or have a lot of different hats on. 669 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600 So you can kind of pick and choose like a little bit more of 670 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,680 an angle that you want to take. Again, don't change this 671 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,520 completely, especially if you're in a really well developed 672 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,000 internship program that people know of and know that the title 673 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,120 is pretty strict. But if you do work for a startup 674 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,920 or something smaller, like for example, for that internship 675 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,160 where I started out with strategy and that went into 676 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,520 insights, I ended up mixing them together and calling myself like 677 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,600 a digital strategy, analytics in turn, yeah. 678 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,840 So that also can be useful. And it's super helpful and like 679 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,560 just kind of giving readers more of an idea of what you actually 680 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,040 did. Yeah. 681 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,240 The other thing is, I know Clara, are you fluent in any 682 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,680 language? English. 683 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,520 OK. So we're not fluent in any other 684 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,680 language. Don't you know Spanish though? 685 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,960 A little bit? Or not really? 686 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,120 I can like I could read almost anything in Spanish but like and 687 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,000 I could someone could talk to me in Spanish but I just can't 688 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:51,080 really talk bad OK? So the first half you've got 689 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,160 like the second. I'm 1 directionally fluent. 690 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,000 OK, don't put that. That's maybe 1 directionally 691 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,360 fluent. But anyways, so some people do 692 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,320 put that on their resume and say you definitely want to say like 693 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,680 how proficient you are. In my skills section, I say how 694 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,160 proficient I am in certain skills just because like 695 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,080 especially with coding, you don't want to put like Python 696 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,480 And have them assume you're really great Python coder if 697 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,320 you're just kind of intermediate. 698 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,880 So I think that's helpful, but especially what? 699 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,400 I'm going to push back on this one. 700 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520 This might be a hot take. I'll put it on there. 701 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,120 Fuck it, I'll learn it before I show up. 702 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,800 Like, you know, clear. But like all of Python like that 703 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,520 is so difficult, like for coding languages that are like, you 704 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,000 know, really advanced and I feel like certain advanced topics 705 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,480 there is going to be like a large range of experience. 706 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,240 I mean, I'm pretty good at Java and Python. 707 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,520 I don't put that on my resume. Maybe for coding languages that 708 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,160 have so many levels like that, but don't do that for Microsoft 709 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:03,640 Word, right? You can learn that, Yeah, yeah. 710 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,680 Okay, But I would say some things like Excel, I don't know 711 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,520 because there are a lot of tricks like X look up, V look 712 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,560 up. If you don't really know what 713 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,040 you're doing or don't know the shortcuts like in finance, I 714 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,280 will say that's a much bigger deal than if you're doing 715 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,920 something like. Can I just say how much I fuck I 716 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,760 how much I fuck with X lookup? Like X lookup is like the way 717 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,040 better version of V lookup I only way I. 718 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,040 Heard V lookup is better than X lookup. 719 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,360 I've only used V lookup and not X lookup. 720 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,120 Now V lookup can honestly go jump off a Cliff. 721 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,520 I love X lookup. OK, what's the difference again? 722 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,640 I totally forget. If you look up, it's like all of 723 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,040 your data has to be in the left hand column and like like either 724 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,880 from like great smallest to greatest or like alphabetical 725 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,520 A-Z. And it's just like doing left 726 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,120 columns comparing and then pulling data on the other table. 727 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,080 But X look up goes like all directions. 728 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,600 So you can really can really start getting jazzy and pulling 729 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,040 in all kinds of things. I love Excel. 730 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:12,840 OK, we can stop the nerd talk from that side of the podcast. 731 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,480 But anyways, but yeah, I wanted to bring out languages 732 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,040 specifically because there have been, I mean, this is like 733 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,320 notorious that specifically banks and like very global 734 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,200 companies, if you say you're proficient in a certain 735 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,760 language, sometimes they'll have interviewers interview and mid 736 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,360 interview, they'll switch to the other language and test if you 737 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,040 actually know it or if you're just kind of like fibbing on 738 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,960 your resume. And I've heard this happen to 739 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,840 multiple people. This is not something like 740 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,760 obviously you want to stretch, like Claire said, some of the 741 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,400 other skills, maybe you can say like, OK, I'm a little bit 742 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,160 better than I actually AM and learn it beforehand. 743 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040 But obviously language is not really one of those things. 744 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,840 And sometimes they will actually test you in that. 745 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,000 So I would just just be a little bit careful on that front. 746 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:07,520 Yeah, know your limits. OK guys, well, thank you so much 747 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080 for listening to our resume talk. 748 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,240 I know this was like a little bit more serious than last time. 749 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,400 We're going to try to alternate like more fun topics and more 750 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,280 like serious tips. 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