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Corporate crash out? Will you cash in or crash out?
Have you heard about the job market right now?
Yes, I have heard some crazy things and I was also at a
career fair like last week on this, my first time on the other
side of the table at the career fair and you know, interesting
stuff out there. Who did you talk to?
Who was like the most insufferable person that you
talked to? Because I know there are some
people. I mean, this is like an
accounting career fair. So it's, you know, a little
tough, but guys, the craziest thing that happened to me, we'll
just start. There is a kid showed me a
picture of him with a death row inmate sitting in the electric
chair. Like he was OK, sorry.
The candidate, like the kid at the career fair was sitting in
the electric chair and the guy on death row was by him and was
like, ah, they're like taking a selfie.
I honestly have no words, Claire.
That's that's I was like, and I had kind of joined the
conversation. I wasn't the first person like
in the conversation, like having a conversation with this
student. But on the Long story short, I
guess he used to be like a contractor of some kind and
like, they had a lot of prisons that they would go to and, like,
fix things. And he was like, yeah, you'd be
surprised. Like all the inmates are pretty
nice, but the death row ones, they are the nicest.
They'll be like, hey, do you guys need some help?
And do you want to take a picture?
You want to see me like? Probably like lure.
Want to lure people in? I don't know, but I was just
like, that's so bold to show like someone at a company, a
career fair, a picture of you in an electric chair with a
prisoner. But I mean, it did relate to his
past experience and I guess what I remembered him, so he stood
out. Guys, tips for this bad job
market? I'm surprised they even sent you
to a career fair in the job market we're having right now.
Yeah, but like it's, it's a hard line to walk because as a
company you don't want to like lose relationship with the
different universities and their programs.
You know, even if it's like you're not looking for someone,
something you need to show face and you know, keep that.
Yeah. And I think that's also one of
the problems that we see is like sometimes it looks like there's
more jobs than there actually are, but then you go to a career
fair or something where you think people want to hire and
then it just turns out that they're actually just there to
show face and have no interest in actually talking to you.
So that's hard to. No, 100%.
And I think that there's just not enough, like I don't want to
say good candidates out. There.
But I just feel like the talent pool isn't meeting the need and
then it's like the people won't just take anyone because they're
not looking for a ton of people. And it just like makes this
weird gap between employers and entry level workers I guess.
That's true. I feel like comps I students are
having the worst time right now, which I think is so ironic
because I think everybody went into comps I at least some
people from high school that I knew just to get like paid
really well. Yeah.
I'm fortunate. No, for sure.
And it's like, I think a lot of people went into it thinking
like, Oh my gosh, everything's going towards computer.
We're going to need so many computer scientists.
But I don't really know how much of A reality that is.
And I'd have to obviously dig in and do some research on this,
but I don't think it can be that much of A reality when, you
know, it takes 1 computer scientist to start something
that will like, I feel like, what's the word I'm looking for?
Like multiplies, like you don't need as many people because of
like AI and like machine learning.
Yeah, no, I definitely agree. I think I don't know it's just
this tough spot for everyone. I only know the one profession
that apparently to the job like announcement last week.
The only thing doing really well right now is healthcare because
you know, the rumors are so old and they still need people to
take care of them so. If you can't.
Find a dog, try healthcare guys. Yeah.
But then it's like also I feel like the programs and like maybe
at the lower levels, it's not as hard to get into.
But you know, to have any sort of certification in a healthcare
program, I feel like those are pretty competitive usually and
hard to get into. So it's, I don't know, it's very
interesting. I guess more what I was talking
about was like maybe even like corporate healthcare stuff.
So pharmaceuticals might still be doing like, well, you know
what I'm saying? Because people still need those
and especially like the GLP one, drugs are really taking off
right now so. Good skitty everyone.
No, I I was totally thinking of like nurses and Cnas and stuff.
Like no, that's for sure, but I think on the corporate side,
maybe there are some, I don't know honestly, but I would that
if I was unemployed and didn't have a job offer lined up,
that's probably where I'd be running to 1st.
Interesting. OK, I also.
Have been seeing a lot of like upper level corporate job
postings. Like I feel like everyone's
hurting for managers and directors and stuff, at least in
the accounting world. I could be like blanketly
applying this to industries but whenever I'm on LinkedIn I see a
ton of job postings for that level.
It's. Interesting.
Yeah. I mean, we'll see what happens.
I feel bad for like, I know people say people like 2 years
above us are having problems, but honestly I feel like it's a
lot of people who are in engineering and stuff and you
know, thought they were going to get into Compsci and now I see a
lot of them returning on Wash use campus so to get their
master's degree because they just don't know what else to do.
But I will also say that like for engineering, typically you
do. I feel like more people get
their master's degrees and you can get it right after
undergrad, I guess. So hey, that's why too.
Yeah, but it's it's brutal out there and everyone's ghosting.
And I also feel like it looks like there's more jobs out there
than there are in reality because people take forever to
take job postings down. Yeah, with LinkedIn, I will.
Like we talked about this last time, they're way better at
taking stuff down really quickly.
So I don't know, I definitely, I haven't looked at LinkedIn in a
bit. Whenever I go like back to
school, I just don't have the time I feel like.
And at work I just get super bored.
So I look at everything. Imagine being bored at work.
Crazy. But yeah, like, I don't know,
grad school or like, school is super interesting too, but
everyone has been getting so sick and everybody's saying that
like, COVID is coming back and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
which I'm not opposed to, like virtual classes.
Katie's like I'm bored I don't want to go.
You have more time to scroll and LinkedIn if you are doing
virtual classes. I know, I know.
And like The other thing I just don't understand is like why?
Why can't I have just like a few virtual classes here and there?
I'm just really tired. I'm on my last semester.
I'm just like why? Why am I doing this clam?
No, I actually totally agree with this because I could take a
virtual day at work. So why not give that to
students? It's more realistic of how the
real world is these days is that, you know, Fridays I'm
going to be virtual, so you should have some virtual
classes. Yeah.
And what's even worse is like, I was sick one time.
And so I was like, oh, hey, can I, like, attend class virtually?
I don't want to miss any of the content because he doesn't post
his, like, lecture slides. And he was like, no, we don't do
virtual classes per university policy.
And I was like, oh. That's so rude but people wait,
can we rewind? People are saying COVID back in
that like everyone's getting it. That's what I've been hearing,
like a lot of people have gotten COVID and I don't know.
So fun fact about my academic career, I don't know if you know
this, Katie, but I'm the first recorded COVID case at Wash U
Oh, oh. Claire.
OK. I would mention this is so
flashback to I'm sure there was a COVID case in the spring of
2020, but flashback to Claire starting college, it's August
2020, right? I had an early move in and part
of moving in my freshman year was like, you go to this off
campus location before you're even allowed on campus and you
get COVID tested. Then you go to campus while
you're waiting for the test results to come back.
And this is back when like they didn't have like the rapid test,
like it took like an hour or whatever to process it.
And so you would go to your dorm and unpack, but you're not
supposed to talk to anyone else. Like don't talk to your suite
mates, like only you and your family go to your room and like
unpack your stuff. So anyways, me and my parents
go, we unpack our stuff. Like my dorm room is so cute.
My parents take a little picture of me sitting on my bed.
It's Oh my gosh. Like we're dropping our last kid
off at college. Bye.
So they leave and they had like planned this like trip to go to
like some wineries nearby for like a day or two, just like
celebrate. Like, you know, we just took our
last kid to college, whatever. And they are not even to the
first stop yet or no, they were in line to buy tickets for the
first stop, like the first winery.
And I like called that or I got a call from Washu and they were
like, hey, so like your test came back positive.
We can move you to quarantine housing or you can go home.
And before this they had been like, oh, people will be in
quarantine housing and I'm and so you guys can hang out with
each other because if you both have COVID, who cares?
I'm like, OK, well, I'll make friends because like I feel like
the first two weeks of college so critical in friend making.
Yeah, that's true. And so I was like, oh, OK, yeah.
Like, are other people in quarantine?
And they're like, no, you're the first one.
And it's like, violent. I'm going home.
So I called my parents and they came back and picked me up, and
we all drove home together. Like, I never went to college.
And then I came back two weeks later.
Two weeks? Well.
OK, another funny story about this is so after I came back
positive, like I felt fine, but I started like reflecting on
like the past couple weeks and two weeks before that, like I
had a really sore throat and like was really tired.
But like I didn't even think of COVID because I was like
gardening a bunch and I thought I like got into like some
something in the garden and like it upset my allergy.
Like, I thought I, like, got an allergy.
And then I was like reflecting. I was like, oh shit, that was
COVID. Yes, Katie, you look confused.
What do you mean about? Specifically, I was gardening
and I thought like. Real gardening, Katie, like
flower, grew. Up on a farm, we had a lot of
flower beds. Yeah, I just.
Wasn't sure if you were spinning about something else.
I can't keep going. I was, Oh no, I was like playing
because. You were like Robert.
And then I was coughing and. I was, I'm like making mulch and
stuff. OK, I mean, I was also partying
a lot, but whatever, that wasn't the point.
I thought I just like got into something while I was gardening
and like, it got me a little sick.
Wasn't too worried about it. Then I was reflecting on it.
I was like, oh, I definitely like had COVID then because I
had gone to a different college to go to a party.
Like. Three weeks before and like 3
weeks before going to wash, you had gone to like this Community
College Gondo party where then the whole baseball team that was
hanging out with had COVID after.
But I didn't think about that. I was just like, you know,
obviously it was gardening and got sick.
So anyways, Long story short, I test positive.
I'm like sitting here reflecting on my life and I'm like, oh, I
had COVID like 2 weeks ago. No wonder I'm still testing
positive. So I'm like so upset, 'cause I'm
like, I'm going to have no friends if I'm not on campus.
Like I have to get there. So I call the Missouri CDC.
No. And I gas like the fuck out of
them. I'm like look, wash you needs
like they said, I can't come back till I have some release
document from the CDC of Missouri that because like they
like sent them. I don't know how this all works
still to this day, but basically moral destroyers.
I was told when you get your release document from Missouri
CDC you can come back. I said great, I'll get that the
next day. I'm home.
I get it. I get the document.
I'm like I had the symptoms 3 weeks ago.
Like give me my document. I'm just still testing positive
because the tests, that's how they used to be like it could
test positive like months. And so so then I call Washi, I'm
like, boom, I got the document. Can I come back?
And they're like, Oh no, I know. So did you have to pay for
housing? I don't know, I didn't even
think about that. But so I just stayed home for
two weeks and my best friend ended up being sick too and she
came and lived with me for two weeks.
But I had COVID. I told the people that like I
had just been with. And so she came and live with me
for two weeks and then I went back to college and had no
friends for a long time because of it.
And my roommates were like scared of me.
And they're like, oh bad. She has COVID.
She's crazy. OK.
But like, obviously you were over it by the time you came
back. I know.
But the really clutch part about it was I didn't have to test
like we used to have to test weekly my freshman year, and I
didn't have to test until like later on in my freshman spring.
OK, but. Sorry, should I talk about my
random ass college? OK, one of the things I've been
really wanting to do is match Starbucks drinks to people in
appropriate functions. I think we can also make a meme
about this on our page button. I think finance guys are black
coffee and or maybe like a Nitro cold brew.
Yeah, no, definitely Nitro cold brew like they're too like and
they're like to admit that they don't really want to drink
straight black coffee. Yes.
And they think that like, they're going to gain aura
points by the stronger their coffee is.
But in reality, like, if they like behind closed door, they're
like chugging a latte. But like, if you ask like if or
if they go with coffee together, they get like a Nitro cold brew
because they want to be like on trend.
Yeah. Also don't want to be fru fru.
Yeah, I totally think that. And then I also think marketing
is clearly a pink drink. I think that's very obvious.
No marketing is like whatever the newest drink that come out
is like. Think Starbucks seasonal menu
wait. But OK, I feel like a lot of
people get Starbucks seasonal menu.
Who's matcha though? I feel like that's like a nerdy
person. Who's matcha?
Yeah, HR No. HR is like so nosy.
I don't know who matcha is I. Don't.
If you know who matcha is, please.
OK, we'll figure it out. We'll post on the Instagram, but
if you guys have ideas, comment below.
OK. How is your work with AI,
Claire, if you don't mind talking to me about it?
Yeah, kind of interesting. Honestly, it's really great
because a lot of accounting you have to read like these big
like, you know, IRS or SEC documents.
So it's really a great tool to summarize things.
But I think it's still a long way to go on like technical
items. Like I've definitely asked AI
some questions in accounting and like literally for like a debit
and a credit entry and it came back and I was like, that's not
right. So like it got me started along
the right path. So I think it's definitely just
like a work in progress because a lot of things in my specific
industry are so like exact and so detailed and specific to like
your scenario. But I think it's definitely
really useful and I love asking a dumb questions throughout the
day. That's fair, I really like it
for coding. Obviously, like especially with
my professors, they all are actually really OK.
Everybody in the real world uses Python.
Let me just clarify this. Like you're not using R or
Matlab anymore unless you're like a very academic person and
this is what you learn in college.
And they all us use R And I'm like, please stop.
Please. Actually, it's so bad.
So like quality is bad. Like all the air, you get a
bunch of errors every two seconds, whereas like Python
will actually tell you what the error is.
And then just like R is just super.
I don't know. So I use it for that all the
time because I'm like OK I know how to code this exact same
thing in Python, but if I need help like figuring out what
exactly the code should be an ARM, then I do use.
I kind of miss coding though I I don't know if I would want it to
write the code for me because I get some like satisfaction out
of like typing out the code. You know I get action out of
having free time. Claire Ashley.
No, I think, I think it's very interesting though.
I think there's going to be a lot of replacements in the
accounting industry eventually once.
I mean, it would really only take training.
I think you could really hone it in.
I don't know. Not that I'm thinking about it,
but it's just not there yet. In my opinion, I think like,
it'll augment accounting and legal field so much because in
there there's just so much reading, so much paperwork, and
it's like always some weird odd law you have to like find and
search for. And I do think like AI,
especially like LLMS clearly could be really good, you know?
I think it's going to be very good for.
Really any job, but I'm thinking of mine specifically where you
do the same thing over and over again, but each time it produces
either like a different error you find or like a different
weird thing that's off. So like if nothing else, just
like identifying those. So like, you don't look for it
and then you can just address it on the spot rather than having
to pick through all the data yourself.
Yeah, that was really interesting.
Like one of my classes on it right now is just so cool.
But it's like basically the whole thing is so crazy because
it's like coming from a business perspective and then going to an
engineering perspective, it's just like mild in the way people
interpret things like an engineering or a professor was
like, OK, how would you explain a decision tree?
How would you explain like these other things like and it gets
more and more complex and like some of us just do it and we
don't really like sit and be like, OK, why are we doing, you
know what I'm saying? Like, why are we doing, Like,
what are we accomplishing? What is happening, like with the
data? And like, I don't know who's
asking us those questions? And so we'll have to like make
an AI model and present it to investors, which is really cool.
Who like wouldn't know anything about AI or machine learning.
And I don't know, I'm really excited.
That's fun. But Emily wanted ours to be on
like some MRI imaging thing I don't know anything about, so
I'm going to have to learn a lot and that's OK.
It's OK, that means why you're in school, right?
Claire done learning. I've retired.
I never want to learn again. Well, guess what?
All you're going to do for at least the first year of your
job, and really probably your whole career is learn.
I think I had this realization today that I'm just never going
to stop learning and I'm never going to like get a break.
Like I just went from going to school from August to December
and then January through May to just going to school 24/7.
I understand why we have the same brakes, like why do we have
breaks in schools but not in work?
Yeah. I mean, I guess if you have like
a very stagnant career or like something that's like really
repetitive, like maybe you wouldn't feel the same way about
everything, just continuing learning.
Do you know who Taylor Frankie Paul is?
Claire, this has nothing to do. Let's be real.
This has nothing to do with the podcast.
It has to do with business because this is all I can think
about today, OK. OK, fine.
Hear me out so we know Taylor Frankie Paul Secret life of
Mormon wives. Great.
Didn't really care for the show personally.
Yeah, me neither. I guess I can see the appeal.
It's like every other trashy reality TV show.
So The Bachelorette chooses Taylor, Frankie, Paul.
Yeah, Bachelorette was a dying show.
Was it I guess? Yeah.
It was mostly in the Bachelor right?
That got the most attention. I feel like Bachelor Nation is
what they kind of call them, like the umbrella.
I mean, that's why they came out with like the old people
Bachelor. Oh yeah.
I think they're trying everything to save the show and
I think they just did it like whoever is running this business
really knows, like they're doing a great job.
They're about to save the show single handedly.
That's all I could think about when I heard the announcement
was how strategic this is. Boom.
Wow. He's really not sold.
I just like the thing I don't understand.
And this also goes back to like influencers and we can talk
about that as well, like this new kind of job category that is
becoming an influencer. And like I, you just, I feel
like OK for that instance for Taylor right now, she's probably
doing well in regards to she's doing like a lot of collabs with
a bunch of different things, but she's also like a mom working.
So I can't even imagine like what that's like.
I, I don't know, I think it's weird 'cause it didn't.
Macy Neely, who's one of the people on the show, that's her
name, right? She has a vitamin company or
something? I just love that how like the
new thing is like you just get famous for doing nothing and
then you randomly just launch a random business.
I feel like this is like everyone these days like oh got
famous for dancing on TikTok go buy my leggings.
Oh, got famous for ranting on TikTok.
I am now selling organic juices. Like I feel like this is just
the world now. It's so interesting.
Yeah. I definitely agree with that
because I think like any business at all, that's just
kind of very general. I think.
OK, so she did a gummy barrel, a gummy line, like a Wellness
vitamins, and so did Kourtney Kardashian.
She also did like the Lenny gummies and I think Alex Cooper
just came out with her unwell or this has been a work in
progress, I guess, for her or her unwell drinks.
So I think it just says something like interesting about
influencers and like the amount of disruption they can have to
an industry which normally is so over flooded.
Like think about Kylie cosmetics and like Kylie lips makeup is
like, I feel like one of the most over flooded markets.
You, you do not see like a lot of product repeatability.
You don't see people going back and buying the same products.
It's really just like this new product launched, this one, this
one, this one, and it's all based about like trends.
So maybe that's why like they get so much money.
And also you saw that with Rd. I don't understand how Rd. is
valued at a billion dollars. Sorry, Haley Bieber, but I
actually like kind of good for you.
I'm not saying that like in a negative way.
I'm just so confused like how that constitutes a billion
dollar business. It's because you're really just
selling yourself like you're selling your image.
OK, but here's the thing though. What happens when I sell Rd.
like Hailey Bieber's going to do like Kylie Cosmetics, And what
happens when I sell that? It dies.
I mean, that's what happened with Kylie, like, and then her
line died. So I'm like, who would buy that?
You don't feel like, for me, then it's like at some point
there's kind of a cap because you can only do so much, you
know? It's like making this whole new
market of just like celebrity products almost.
Well, it's like, I just don't understand how they're because
the way to get their money out of it.
Basically it's like obviously like make a profit, but like if
you don't, they don't really don't like managing stuff long
term. And like, which I agree with, if
I made a huge business, I'd probably also sell it, just get
the cash out of it at least for a while so I can do other
things. But I don't know, I just don't
understand like who their sellers are.
Like I know it's some of these like large beauty firms, but I'm
like, what's going to happen to your products when they're not
the face of it anymore? I don't know.
It's just really interesting. So I wonder what like what these
people's plans are like Macy Neely, like I wonder what her
plan is, if she's going to sell it or do something else.
But. Yeah, I I genuinely don't know,
but I also think it's kind of alarming how easily consumers
get sucked in to all these different influencers and will
literally buy whatever shit they'll shove your way.
That Yeah, see that? To me, it's like, I don't know
because I can't tell how much of it is real and how much of it is
not. Because I know, remember that
when that Kylie Cosmetics thing came out of her being a
billionaire and then Forbes attracted it because she
apparently like fudged the numbers and so on for whatever.
So that is it Like, OK, I'm going to say like I'm going to
put my face on it. I know I'm valuable as a person.
And then, you know, I guess apparently she didn't make the
product. She just like did white
labeling, which if you don't know what that is, it's like
when you get a product from another brand that already
creates it and then put your own label on it.
So very similar to what they do in like Publix.
They'll have like Publix brand of, you know, Rice Krispie
Treats, but it's really Rice Krispie Treats that makes it and
they put it, you know, whatever. But yeah, and I was just like, I
can't, I don't understand. Like if it's truly her marketing
that's good or if it's just that the numbers they look good
enough. And then they also, I know she
drove like just a lot of urgency by having everything sell out
really quick. So I feel like that also made it
seem like a more, you know, lucrative then maybe it was, but
I don't know. So schemey to me and I'm just
like, I just find it so odd that we all sit here and scroll
through like TikTok and Instagram and just let people
get rich off of doing like stupid hand waving motions.
What like gets me though, I think, is that some of these
people actually just were always rich.
And then I hate it when people are like, oh, well, they got
rich now. Like, no, this is what you're
promoting. Like you're promoting people
with Gucci bags and people with like all these designer brands,
the exact thing a lot of people, at least in our generation, are
fighting against and say they don't want.
And now they're just like making all these influencers so
popular. Like the amount of people that
follow Alex Earl and things like that, I'm just actually shocked.
Like I genuinely like sometimes just look through like who I'm
following that follows them. And it's a surprising amount of
people. So I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I've never been big on like celebrity culture.
That's neither. I just, I can never really get
behind that. Like, I've always found concerts
to be a weird phenomenon to like, we're all going to gather
in this weird play. Like we're all going to gather
in a place and we are just going to, like, sing at this person
their songs. And we're just like going to pay
$600 to see a human being. I I also, OK, thank you for
saying this because I also do not understand.
I've been to like, maybe like one or two concerts and like,
sure, the cheap ones are fun, but like, I don't understand why
I would sit in a theater to have somebody sing a song that I've
already listened to on Spotify. And maybe I'm just super lame.
Maybe I don't get the vibes. I don't get it.
But like, why would I pay so much more money for that?
And like, oftentimes I feel like they try to change the way they
sung the song to make something different, to have like a
differentiator. And then it's worse.
And I'm like, well, I came here and it's just like worse than, I
don't know. For me, it's just like, so you
buy the $600.00 ticket. Well, now you have to buy an
outfit and you spent $50 on that, and now you have to go to
dinner beforehand and it's another $100.
And then you have to Uber there because you want to drink while
you're there. And then it's another $50.
And then it's like, Oh well, this concert is actually in
another city so I'm going to get a hotel.
And it's just like, where do you stop?
Yeah. Like you're literally spending
this on someone you don't fucking know because at the end
of the day that's what you're doing.
Handing Taylor Swift 1200 dollars?
Insane to me. Yeah.
And I feel like there's some things that I'm like, OK with
Tate. Like I might actually go to like
a Tate concert just because her dancing is really cool.
And I feel like the stage presence she has, at least to
me, is like much stronger than a lot of these other artists who'd
literally just get there, like with the mic and stand there and
sing, I think. Like shoes brings me.
I'm so glad you brought up Tate because this is exactly my
exactly my argument. She's actually going to be in
town tomorrow night and I don't have tickets and I'm really sad.
But bring back pop stars. They're supposed to be
performers. Like Tate is the next Britney
Spears in my eyes. Like I think that when we look
back, she's the Britney Spears and now.
And like, that's like, I understand going to a show to be
entertained, but like these singers who just stand there
aren't cutting it for me. I don't like Vincent Boone but I
will say the clips I see of him on TikTok like he puts on a good
show. I remember.
Flip. You will flip for me.
But like, I think it's so funny too, because the thing that all
these like labels would tell Tate and she did like a YouTube
video, I guess about this or something, but was that she
couldn't dance. They were like, if you want to
pursue music, you're not allowed to dance.
You cannot like get into dancing.
You have to niche yourself down and I feel like that's what I
hear on TikTok, that's what I hear on Instagram.
Everybody wants like all these like agencies, all these labels
are telling people to niche themselves down.
I think that is the worst thing possible to do in like honestly,
just anything. I don't know, because I think
the interesting thing about people is that you have multiple
parts of your life and I think sharing multiple parts of your
life just makes you more interesting as a person.
I still think that like we were talking about that for our
resumes and how you were like, oh, we'll put, you know, you're
in cabbage Delta put that you like doing fun hobbies because
people relate to that. And so I think that's also a
huge component of just like life, like just post interesting
stuff and I don't know but. On the same no this will get me
back on a Taylor Swift theory. I think that's like why people
get so wrapped up in her because she shares too much of her
personal life and too many opinions that aren't related to
why she's famous. And then people feel like they
actually know her and it's like this whole toxic like cycle in
my opinion. And I think this is what gets
people hooked a little bit. I was wondering like, what makes
Taylor Swift? Like, I mean, I never really
listened to her music, but I used to obviously when I was
younger and it's very nostalgic for me, but I don't know, I was
like, I she's one of the people I think has, who has like just
kept her famousness, if that's a word for notoriety for so long.
And I was like really surprised at that because I don't know And
I honestly don't know how she does it.
But the other thing I want to talk about too is like, OK,
obviously we're getting kind of derailed.
But I think like the point of this whole episode is that we're
going like beyond just corporate life.
It's like other opportunities for money and what we see from
like influencers, artists and things like out in businesses
but. Business at the end of the day
you scrolling through TikTok is making someone money so.
And as we move into like this weirder, weirder job market
where people are struggling to find jobs and I think there's a
lot more influencers, at least I feel like I've noticed tried to
come up on TikTok and other things.
Like we know a few people at our school who've been like working
on their influencer brands. And I just think it's so
interesting. And like going back to that
business topic we were talking about, I think it's like almost
if you want to have a general kind of business like lip gloss
or gummies or something like that, you are going to have to
do some marketing. And that's what that is.
It's like influencer marketing. People have to know you and your
story before they actually know your product and it makes them
feel like more emotionally attached to it or something.
And I think that's going to be a huge thing that we'll keep
seeing. And I honestly don't understand
like on that point, why a lot of influencers don't fully, you
know, engage with that, like why they don't fully go into a
business because I feel like that could be very profitable,
but. Yeah, I, I understand that.
And I also don't, I think it's just, I don't, I don't know how
many times I'm going to say weird in this episode, but it's
just weird to me that like people don't go to the store
anymore and like, I'm going to pick this lip gloss because I
truly think it makes my lips look shinier, you know?
Yeah, well, I think also like, OK, one of the things I will say
is like, maybe it's because you're saying like, oh, like I'm
not picking it just because it's like the shiniest lip gloss or
whatever. But I think like on if I'm
already following like Kylie Jenner and then I see she has
like a lip brand. Like maybe it's just like
exposure to more people that you don't even have to pay for.
Like cut all the marketing costs, cut the like, you know,
like million multi $1,000,000 super bad to reach the same
people. I mean, you don't even have to
pay for any of that. So and the other thing, you
know, what I think is so interesting too, and this also
confuses me is or like Skims and like some of like Kim
Kardashian's brands, why she doesn't always appear in all the
ads herself? I don't understand that because
if she was really like, if I think about this, if it is
really about her face, if it is, I don't know if she's worried
about overexposure at this point.
But and if you look at the models, they're not her.
And I feel like for me, if I created a clothing brand, I'd
want like a few of the pieces. Yeah, talking, everyone is
modeled by her, but like maybe on like when they drop a new
line, she's like in the seven people because I feel like they
always have like multiple people in like the shot.
Yeah. So I like, I guess it's also
just being like maybe busy or whatever her like, I don't know,
but I also think that's the same.
But this is what I wanted to talk about.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. So I think one of the biggest
misconceptions to me and like the whole world for a while was
that actors like all these actors, you see them, they're
like, wow, they must have worked so hard to get where they are.
Or maybe influencers, you feel that way as well.
And like, obviously, like Addison Ray is doing, you know,
like a music thing now. I'll start it online.
But what I really never realized, and this is alleged,
first of all, I'm not even going to like say any facts, but like
if I do they're alleged, is that I didn't know a lot of these
people how they start and how some bigger names start like the
Kardashians and things is that they did like yachting.
I had no idea that that was a thing they did.
Yachting. Yeah.
So yachting, yes. I did not realize this.
OK. It's actually insane to me.
But if you go back and like look at all the news and like all the
Reddit feed and stuff like that, it's stop.
It's actually real, though. So what people do is if you want
to become famous and like you just want like money or if you
know, I don't know, just to meet powerful people, you'll like go
on these boats and they'll hire like models essentially.
So I don't know if you've heard of like promotional modeling,
but it's like people who just want like good looking people at
their events. So more people come and like
whatever. So rich people throw these
parties with, obviously they want hot girls there.
So they hire the hot girls, and then the hot girls can meet
people, but sometimes they're asked to do more sexual favors
and things like that. And the problem with this is
that some people have realized that if you go out, like on the
boat, you're in international waters.
And I think This is why, you know, you kind of get this whole
Jeffrey Epstein island by thing because technically.
You can skirt the prostitution laws, yeah.
Essentially, but the other thing.
I will see it guys. Allegedly.
But the other thing I'll say with that too is like, it's also
really dangerous for women because you're out there,
there's probably like no cell reception.
Nobody's going to come get you. You think like, you know what
I'm saying? Like it's like leaves you in a
vulnerable position. But my point I guess here is, is
that there was a story of Kim Kardashian again, I guess like
it's picked up by news. So, but just in case alleged of
her meeting this guy who was like, I forget he's from
somewhere in East Asia and he's like.
A billionaire and she was carrying like early in her
career, a trash bag full of $250,000 in it back one night
from like hanging out with him and then saying like, oh, she
won at she helped him win in gambling and he gave her the
money. But like, and then you can see
the old pictures of them, the old ads of them being like, I
don't know, it's so weird. I went down this rabbit hole.
So especially with media, I didn't realize how prominent
this was in our society. So when women on TikTok just go
and they like look good and get really famous instantly, I'm
going to tell you that is not always it.
Like there are reasons why people get to be runway models.
There are reasons why people get to be famous actors.
And it doesn't mean you're worse than them.
It just means that they're exploring other avenues.
So I just wanted to put that out there cuz that was something.
I like always comes down to knowing someone I feel like.
Yeah. And I feel like it's how you get
to meet those high level people, but I think that's really what
helps. Obviously, the Kardashians and
the fact that she had her first, OK, allegedly she had her first
surgery when she was married to this guy, and then she got like
$5,000,000 on something in the divorce and after only marrying
him for four years, but she got married at 19 too.
So I was always just like thinking about it and comparing
myself and being like, OK, well, not comparing myself, but like
kind of using it as a case study to figure out why these people
got crazily successful. And I was just like, there's no
way. And then I found this and I was
like, that makes so much more sense.
No offense. Not that these women aren't like
couldn't be incredibly successful on their own, but
it's also just the networking part is just very difficult.
I just think, yeah, if you, like, pulled the percentage of
people who just, like, made it on their own, just like it's
like more like luck. Whereas putting yourself in
these different scenarios is going to produce a lot more of
these, like, influential celebrities who aren't really
famous necessarily for like, a specific talent OR skill.
They just like got famous. Yeah, And like the same thing
with like, OK, with Alex Cooper. Apparently she dated this guy
who is like a sports person. And I forget who it was, but
apparently that's what hurt. Got her a ton of attention
because she was like, dating him.
And also I want to couple that with the fact that her dad owns
like a or works for a production company.
And so she knew like how to bring she knew connect and you
know what I'm saying? Can't.
Yeah. And I'm like in shape before
that she even produced like little like vlogs or whatever,
which I think got her more notoriety.
But I just think it's like interesting that like, you know,
it's not that I don't think these people are successful in
their own right. Obviously they are, but it's
just like it's not being good isn't always just enough.
And I think that's some really sad thing that like, yeah, might
just perpetuate itself with social media.
I think already has. But anyways, that's my rant.
Well, we've really derailed. Well, not really derailed.
I think this I could go on and on about the topics of, you
know, celebrities and influencers in the business of
it, but it's really deep hole. I don't know, but you guys
should join us if you we've been going live.
So I'm on TikTok. Yeah, that's really going to get
us. Guys we like aren't going to do
the yachting thing, but the TikTok lives are really you.
Know we we draw the line at yachting, but if you're a
billionaire and you want to join our TikTok live and give us our
start, then you know we'll see you there.
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