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Worth the Wait podcast and Just 
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preface this by saying, well, 
we're definitely going to recap 

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the episode of And Just Like 
That. 

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This episode calls back one of 
the most influential Sex and the

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City episodes, titled A Woman's 
Right to Shoes. 

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It does, right? 
It's true. 

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Episode where Carrie goes to the
party and is asked to take her 

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shoes off and when she goes to 
get her shoes on before she 

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leaves she finds out that the 
shoes are gone and so she has to

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go. 
The the, the friend, the woman 

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who owns the, owns the place and
who was having the party and 

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said, oh, you know, hey, my 
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are gone and, you know, she 
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And so she says OK, and the 
woman goes to get her checkbook.

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She's how much? 
How much are they? 

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Well, doesn't she say like I'll 
give you 250? 

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I'll. 
Give you $200 and she said, you 

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know, we're not responsible for 
your exorbitant lifestyle. 

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Yeah. 
OK, which is true? 

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Which is true, but not of the 
people that you invite to your 

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wedding or your baby showers or 
your Bachelorette parties or all

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this stuff. 
But in any case, which is the 

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point? 
That's the point of the episode.

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Exactly. 
And that's why it was so 

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influential. 
So we will talk about that. 

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But before we do, let's just 
recap the episode because in the

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event that people thought that 
the great writing would 

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continue, it did not. 
It did not. 

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It did not. 
I was disappointed. 

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They have Carrie. 
No. 

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I thought she owned this place, 
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lives, but apparently there's a 
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like it hasn't been updated 
since the 70s. 

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Right that that was. 
That seemed odd to me as well. 

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Right. 
That she didn't seem to know 

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that there was somebody going to
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does sort of tracks because 
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really strong relationship. 
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I guess I just, I don't know. 
You would have, yeah. 

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You would have thought like the 
realtor would have said 

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something and that and that 
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And that the realtor is one of 
her friends. 

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So you really think the realtor 
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Oh, did Zima sell her the place?
I didn't remember. 

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Yes. 
So he's a famous author from 

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London. 
So of course we have a London, 

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we have a Samantha tie in and 
the author moves in underneath 

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Carrie and Carrie walks back and
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back and forth on her hardwood 
floors with no rugs in her high 

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heel shoes. 
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That's. 
That's something that clocked in

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the very first episode of this 
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season opens, right? 
And I first of all, was like, 

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who the fuck is wearing shoes in
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Much less who's wearing heels in
their house. 

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Right right now, I think that's 
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goes to this person's party and 
she's horrified that she's asked

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to take her shoes off. 
I feel like he, his approach 

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wasn't great, you know, showing 
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But her response where she was 
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going to, I'm not going to take 
my shoes off. 

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Girl, listen, you, you've lived 
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You know what it's like. 
And it's just, it's rude. 

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It's just rude. 
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It also it it asks absolutely 
nothing of her. 

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Right, right. 
You know, and typical Carrie, 

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who is just so in her own world,
is thinking, well, if it doesn't

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bother me, then who cares? 
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fascinating and illogical and 
also like infuriating about, 

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about this storyline. 
She she's never able to explain 

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why she is so resistant to the 
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her apartment. 
But don't you think it has to 

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come down to character syndrome?
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Like she's she's walking around 
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being perceived, when in fact, 
hopefully in your own apartment,

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especially that palatial empty 
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No one's looking at you. 
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you. 
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rugs down. 
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this whole building. 
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feeling like I literally own the
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I could do what I want, you 
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And again, it's strange to me 
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was going to have a downstairs 
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So he kind of sucks, and she 
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And she goes down to him and she
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welcome basket. 
And he gives her his oh, I 

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bought you something too. 
And he bought her these old sort

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of. 
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slippers. 
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Which they're not. 
They're not. 

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They were cute. 
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Are like what you bought me for 
Christmas, right? 

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Right. 
I love them. 

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I love them. 
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this apartment and what does 
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He starts smoking a. 
Pipe, yeah. 

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Sir, we don't do that here 
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We don't smoke in our 
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And that's when I went. 
So he wants to be able to smoke 

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a pipe in his apartment, but he 
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her shoes off. 
You both suck. 

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Well, I mean, not only that, but
like I said, who the fuck is 

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wearing shoes in their house? 
Who the fuck goes to New York 

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for quiet? 
Right. 

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Sir, you have the rest of the 
world. 

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Right, right. 
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whole, like both of them are so 
illogical and require such a 

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such a suspension of disbelief 
in this episode that it 

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frustrates me. 
Very much so, very much so. 

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I didn't care about either of 
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Hopefully they fell madly madly 
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they're exactly the same. 2 
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We'll see. 
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that, because I liked Duncan for
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I could see that. 
She's, you know, she's strong 

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enough to put him in his place. 
He's not around all the time, 

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which I think is perfect. 
For her. 

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Right for her, Yeah. 
And yeah, he's, he's an adult 

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man. 
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So they end up having, I guess 
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garden and he's very upset that 
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garden. 
She owns the building. 

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Right, well, he's only upset 
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noise during the day, which is 
when he sleeps. 

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Which again, like Sir. 
Whose fault is that? 

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Right, right, right. 
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people have these work schedules
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that you work a night shift. 
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accommodate. 
It's just easier. 

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It's just easier. 
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especially if somebody's, you 
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whatever, OK, I'll do what I 
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You know, that's got to be a 
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I will. 
I'll do what I can. 

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I don't care who they are. 
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work. 
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just easier. 
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stop living. 
No, I'm not going to stop 

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living, but. 
But you would take your shoes 

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off. 
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garden talking to the hot hot 
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but I really wish they would 
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storyline. 
Except there's nothing for him 

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to do because he's not age 
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he's like late 40s, early 50s in
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I would say late 40s. 
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So but. 
Aren't aren't our main 

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characters like late 50s? 
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50s. 
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Duncan gets very upset at them 
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existing and all of a sudden 
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smoke alarm going off in his 
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So she runs into Duncan's 
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alarm is going off and going off
going off, and she has to wake 

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him up and he has to take 
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stove and the cloth that he uses
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and he drops on the ground. 
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out with her heels on. 
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Right, right. 
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that she's absolutely useless. 
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stove off, she yells at him to 
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right there. 
So she stomps out the the mini 

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fire on the on the cloth and she
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And all of a sudden the tension 
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It's broken. 
And I was like, perfect, fall in

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love, go somewhere, I don't 
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You're both terrible. 
So that's the end of that. 

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Now let's talk about the fact 
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out that Carrie and Miranda used
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This is so dumb and again, 
required such a suspension of 

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disbelief. 
I'm overall pretty disheartened 

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with what the writers are doing 
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You're undoing everything we've 
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Like, she's a totally different 
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And I guess maybe getting sober 
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that to you? 
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changing who she is 
fundamentally. 

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Ain't no way Miranda is taking 
your last banana and not calling

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DoorDash like at the same time. 
It's not that she wouldn't take 

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your last whatever in the 
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But she sure as hell is 
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Listen, Miranda is that roommate
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their food. 
Well, that too. 

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Right. 
That's who Miranda is, and 

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that's OK. 
The idea that Miranda was going 

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to move in with Carrie and 
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thoughtless person. 
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but almost. 
But right, bumbling, right? 

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Just like, and they're trying to
make it physical comedy for some

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reason, right? 
So there's the scene. 

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Of course, Carrie gets up. 
I don't have to go to the 

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bathroom. 
Maybe it's a middle of the 

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night. 
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hallway to the bathroom, I guess
one of the many bathrooms Carrie

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has, and she's completely naked 
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Number one, I love the idea of a
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showing it. 
I'm all for it. 

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And yay for Cynthia Nixon for 
doing it. 

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So I liked that aspect of that 
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What I didn't like was you live 
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It is just common courtesy. 
If you were a fucking man, what 

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would we be saying? 
Yeah, right, that he's creep. 

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That he's a creep. 
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And that sort of what's it? 
That's a bit it's a a hypocrisy 

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of listen, if this were a dude, 
we would be telling Carrie, get 

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him out of that house. 
Well, not only that, but we've, 

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you know, we've spent so much 
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her in various stages of 
undress, right? 

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And we have no reason to believe
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We've never seen it. 
She's always been in pajamas, 

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whether it's AT shirt, whatever 
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Even when she was like had a man
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like a like a nightie, a nice 
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Always, always. 
When did this happen? 

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When did the movie happen? 
But I will also say Carrie sees 

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her naked, has this just gasp. 
And I will ask again, how did 

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this woman, how was she a sex 
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It it reminded me of walking in 
on Samantha giving the UPS guy a

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blowjob. 
Yes, yes, she carries such a 

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prude. 
I But here's the thing. 

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I don't know how I would react 
to that. 

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I would probably immediately 
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how I was raised. 
But I don't know if I'd be like,

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yeah. 
Right. 

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Make the person run into the 
wall in your in your urgency to 

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avert your eyes. 
To the boobs that you have, like

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have what she has, what is, what
is, what's happening here? 

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Ridiculous. 
It was. 

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It was stupid. 
Finally, the other thing that 

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pissed me off. 
Miranda sits at the table that 

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Carrie bought because Aiden 
bought her that stupid, hideous 

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looking table. 
And what does Miranda do? 

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Spread all her work out on it 
and her laptop on this table, 

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covering underneath? 
Nothing. 

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No concern for scratching it. 
Nothing. 

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Well, that actually didn't 
bother me, because you know your

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work papers aren't going to 
scratch the table, right? 

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Your laptop might. 
Probably not. 

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Probably not. 
And and even when she spilled 

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the coke, I was like, well, all 
right, like yeah, that's 

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irritating. 
But like if your if your table 

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can't withstand a coke like. 
OK, but how about when they're 

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trying to wipe it up with the 
papers and the scarf? 

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Right. 
Are you new to New York City? 

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Are you new to everything? 
Are you new to life? 

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Go in and get a cloth we. 
Could say the same of Carrie 

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though. 
Why don't you have kitchen 

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towels? 
Paper towels. 

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Anything right? 
Has this never happened to you 

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before? 
Right, right. 

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What is a strange and mystical 
world like that caveman lawyer 

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she really is? 
It's if the two of them have 

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woken up from a 30 year sleep. 
Yeah, so Miranda moves out. 

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Goodbye now. 
Why did it take so long? 

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This is another thing about this
episode that pissed me off. 

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Why did it take so long to get 
Seema involved in the real 

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estate situation for Miranda? 
Carrie's excuse here is is very 

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flimsy. 
Basically says like oh I don't, 

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I don't want to. 
I don't want to mix business 

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with friendship. 
First of all, I thought Seema 

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was everybody's friend. 
Is she not? 

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Really doesn't seem that way. 
It really seems she's just 

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Carrie's friend. 
That's fucking weird too. 

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Right, right. 
Yeah, I understand. 

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More so why Lisa Todd Wexler is 
only Charlotte's friend because 

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they're mom friends, right? 
That makes more sense to me. 

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It doesn't make any sense at all
why Seema has not been more 

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integrated into the group 
dynamic. 

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Yeah, I don't know. 
I don't know about that. 

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It's almost as if they're afraid
to integrate her because they 

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might get rid of her, right? 
Which I hope that it. 

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Also Carrie saying like, oh, I 
don't, I don't want to mix 

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friendship with business. 
Like you're, you're talking to 

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Miranda, Like Miranda's not 
going to fuck around with 

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business. 
Right money. 

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No, she's not. 
Going to do anything 

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embarrassing, right? 
Yeah, it's a flimsy excuse, and 

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I also think that Seema is way 
out of Miranda's tax bracket. 

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Well, at this point, and that's,
that's fucking weird too. 

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Oh, sorry. 
Like you got no money saved. 

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Miranda, what happened to your 
money? 

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I'm sure she does. 
I'm sure she does. 

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Why aren't we using it then to 
get a place? 

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I don't know. 
Don't know. 

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That's never made sense. 
Why are you Airbnb ING it? 

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Why don't you have an apartment?
In the restaurant, when the I 

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think Carrie initiates it, she's
talking, yeah, she's talking 

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about the downstairs neighbor 
being a problem, right? 

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Miranda says. 
Oh, in my Airbnb, the guy across

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or the person across from me is 
always blasting heavy metal. 

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And Carrie says, what's that got
to do with me? 

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Right. 
Wasn't that great? 

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Amazing writing that was like 
the only moment of incredible 

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writing and. 
What's that got to do with me 

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now? 
Charlotte? 

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Charlotte finally gets a 
storyline and. 

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Through Harry. 
Through. 

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Harry and we we both kind of 
commented how last week when he 

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was having trouble in bed, we 
were like, OK, you know, that's 

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he peed himself the week before 
all right, so we're seeing it's 

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age. 
No, it's not age. 

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It's prostate cancer, and it's 
very early. 

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And there's the the he. 
Said it was like a 90. 8% 

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survival rate. 
And of course, Charlotte's 

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beside herself. 
But what does he do? 

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He says. 
I don't want anybody to know, 

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not even our kids. 
Now, this happened to me when my

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mother was sick and she was 
diagnosed stage 4. 

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The doctor told my father that 
my mother was stage 4, that she 

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was dying. 
My mother never knew. 

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Right. 
Isn't that crazy? 

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Insane. 
Yeah, insane. 

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But not only did my mother not 
know, we didn't know. 

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Yeah. 
We didn't know until probably 

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the end I guess. 
Until it was, yeah. 

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Until it was obvious. 
And I can't tell you how 

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resentful I am. 
Not resentful. 

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I understand why my father did 
it. 

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But I've said this before. 
My mother hated having her 

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picture taken. 
I don't have any pictures of my 

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mother. 
I have the oil painting. 

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That is it. 
And that bothers me. 

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So give your kids the 
opportunity to just do, you know

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what I mean? 
Tell them. 

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Tell them so that they can, I 
don't know, spend more time with

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you have more. 
Conversation. 

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They could behave differently, 
right? 

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I mean, just there's no question
that Lily would be less of a 

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twat in this episode if she 
knew. 

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Right. 
And it's such an unfair burden 

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to put on Charlotte, you know? 
And I really thought they would 

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have Charlotte tell people, and 
I was really impressed that they

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didn't do that. 
Because it really shows you how 

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much Charlotte loves Harry, 
right? 

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Like this is what he asked me to
do. 

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And I kept, I would have been 
first of all, if they said you 

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can't tell anybody, I'd be like,
sorry, that's not going to 

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happen. 
It's just, it's not going to 

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happen like because it is when 
you are when you're in a 

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situation like that and it's it 
your partner's sick. 

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It is a very, I don't know how 
to describe this. 

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You're both going through 
something, right? 

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There's a reason why they have 
groups for parents of kids who 

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are addicts or spouses of people
who are addicts, because those 

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people need that support, 
especially if they need to be 

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there for their partner. 
Burdening somebody with 

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something like this is not just 
selfish, it's counterintuitive 

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because. 
But this is like the only thing 

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in the episode that didn't 
require suspension of disbelief,

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because this is what men do. 
Right. 

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They don't, they don't want 
anybody to know, right? 

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I mean, I think in a lot of 
cases they don't even tell their

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wives. 
And I think it, it comes from a 

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place of like, oh, I don't, I 
don't want my wife to worry. 

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I don't want things to be 
different. 

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I don't want her to act any 
different, you know? 

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But like, it's, yeah, really not
really not fair and very 

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counterintuitive. 
I'm sure they're eventually 

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going to tell their kids and to 
tell people, but I just, I felt 

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really bad for Charlotte because
you could see how worried she 

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was. 
Of course, even. 

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Though I believe Harry, I 
believe that it's 98% survival 

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and blah blah blah blah, she's 
still terrified. 

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I did appreciate in this 
episode, though, that they they 

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made Lisa Todd Wexley the almost
confidant because I feel like if

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Charlotte had been, like, out 
at, you know, the restaurant 

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with the girls, the usual crew, 
right? 

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I feel like Carrie would begin 
browbeating her like, oh, come 

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on, tell us. 
Oh, you're really not going to 

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tell us how long we've been 
friends, right? 

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I don't know what Miranda would 
do at this point because she's a

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totally different person. 
And I feel like Charlotte having

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this conversation with another 
woman who's married makes a lot 

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of sense because Lisa doesn't 
push the issue. 

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Yeah. 
She just uses the door. 

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I love Lisa, I love her husband.
I wish they would give her more 

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to do. 
They're trying. 

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Right. 
They're trying. 

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And I think they do a lot with 
the little. 

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I think they do a lot with the 
little that they give her. 

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Yeah. 
She's got a male editor. 

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I don't know. 
I don't know where that's going 

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to go, but please, I I love the 
guy. 

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I love Marion. 
I don't. 

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Know who say I? 
I hope he sticks around because 

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I enjoy his character as well. 
I think they don't give him any 

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lines, but they all count. 
Right. 

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And the lines he had he was 
great with. 

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It's a man's name, too. 
Right, right. 

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I did. 
I liked him. 

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I like to see them. 
I mean, obviously I don't want 

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her cheating on her husband, but
you know, OK. 

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But you know what it did remind 
me of again, this is funny 

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because now we can sort of move 
into the So we have the 

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introduction of this character 
Marian in this episode where 

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Carrie's having the struggle 
with her shoes, right? 

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A woman's right to shoes. 
But when you go back, I went 

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back and I watched a woman's 
right to shoes. 

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And what episode is that? 
The episode where they 

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introduced Doctor Robert Leeds 
Blair Underwood. 

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And so I was like, oh, that's, 
that's interesting. 

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Like that's the. 
Opportunity too. 

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Right, right. 
Sounds so good for Brad. 

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My God, he was so good. 
He's so Blair Underwood, I think

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is an underrated actor. 
Oh really? 

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I just, I love everything he 
does. 

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Like we we value him but. 
Not as much as we should. 

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I'd like to see him in more 
stuff, but I loved him in this 

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role for Doctor Robert Leeds. 
I loved him. 

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But this episode, what I loved 
about it is, you know, Carrie 

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goes to the party, the shoes get
stolen. 

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The woman is all offended that 
she has to replace Carrie's $500

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shoes. 
And she's Carrie's. 

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She's shoe shamed to me, right? 
Like she shamed this choice that

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I made, that I made. 
And of course, Samantha's like, 

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fuck her, right? 
You know, we're supposed to be 

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putting up with people's kids, 
which I totally agree with. 

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I can't tell you when I'm 
walking the dogs and there'll be

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someone behind me and their kid 
is screaming. 

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I'm just like, you know, you 
can't say anything. 

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But at the same time, like, 
listen, we all have to coexist 

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here. 
Maybe try to do something about 

427
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that. 
I get that you want to do your 

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gentle parenting thing, but this
is that we're outside. 

429
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,720
Well, I think that's the excuse 
for it usually, right? 

430
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,720
Yeah. 
You're outside like New York. 

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00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,200
You're going. 
To make noise. 

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I mean, that same argument. 
So Carrie's talking to Charlotte

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and she's saying, you know, I 
did the math on this. 

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Between Kara's wedding present, 
shower, present, baby shower, 

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this that, I have spent almost 
$2500 on her at the destination 

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wedding. 
Really. 

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You're going to have a 
destination wedding and you 

438
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,120
expect people to spend what, 
1015 hundred? 

439
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Stupid wedding, right? 
And then if they can't go, are 

440
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,680
you going to get offended? 
You know, why should we be 

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expected to pay for your 
exorbitant lifestyle? 

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00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,760
I don't know if this is a hot 
take or if this is just a 2025 

443
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take, but a strong belief about 
destination weddings in 2025 is 

444
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that the unspoken expectation 
is, yeah, don't come. 

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That's why it's a destination 
wedding. 

446
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,760
They want it to be like 10 
people. 

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Oh, maybe, maybe, I don't know. 
But the point Carrie was making 

448
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was we spent all this money for 
all of these sort of milestone 

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00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,160
events, right? 
But what does single? 

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00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,360
What did single people have? 
Nothing. 

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Birthdays, I think, Charlotte 
points out. 

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Right. 
She's like, no, no, what does 

453
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she say? 
Like because that everybody gets

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that or something. 
Yeah, I think she says. 

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Everybody has one of those. 
So she what does she do? 

456
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,640
She calls Kira and she's like, 
hey Kira, I just want you to 

457
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,280
know I'm getting married to 
myself and this is where I'm 

458
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520
registered. 
And Kira was like, OK, let me go

459
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,680
buy those shoes, girl. 
What? 

460
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,440
I just don't understand. 
First of all, if someone called 

461
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560
me and said I'm getting married 
to myself and this is my 

462
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,640
registry, I would say go fuck 
yourself. 

463
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,600
I'm not buying anything from 
your registry. 

464
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,800
Maybe that makes me a bad 
person, but I'm not doing this 

465
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,120
because you want to go marry 
yourself. 

466
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,040
That's cool. 
I am I wrong? 

467
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Am I the drama? 
Well, if every other preceding 

468
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,880
event had happened, then yes, 
you'd be wrong. 

469
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,760
But my take on that was the 
reason Kira Acme s s is because 

470
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,600
she gets the point Carrie is 
making. 

471
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,960
She's like, oh, OK, you're 
right. 

472
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Yeah, you have spent lots of 
money on me, right? 

473
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Celebrating my milestones. 
Point taken. 

474
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,080
I'll replace your shoes. 
Do. 

475
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,640
We really think. 
That's probably the end of the 

476
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,520
friendship regardless. 
Right, right. 

477
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,400
Whether you replace the shoes or
not like that's this is probably

478
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,880
the end of that friendship. 
So I guess you might as well not

479
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,480
replace the shoes. 
I, I just, I just, I just from 

480
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,200
the way she acted, where she was
so very much like, you know, 

481
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,160
your choices aren't as, aren't 
as important as mine. 

482
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,640
I don't see her changing her 
mind that quickly. 

483
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Well, Irli think you're you're 
probably right, which is why I 

484
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,760
said like, well, you know, it's 
probably the end of the 

485
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,960
friendship regardless. 
But truly these people probably 

486
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,280
wouldn't have still been in 
touch, right? 

487
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,680
Like by the time Kira's kids 
walking around like past the 

488
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,640
toddler stage, like you've lost 
touch with your single friends. 

489
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Yes, yes, have right, right. 
So she buys the shoes and you 

490
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,320
know she gets the card. 
We hope you and you are very 

491
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,400
happy. 
I don't know. 

492
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
I don't know. 
I just didn't buy that. 

493
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,840
I didn't think that Kira would 
would acquiesce that. 

494
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,600
Quickly, but neither would Big. 
Big never would have married 

495
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,040
Kara either. 
But we, you know, we wanted our 

496
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,080
happy endings, Kristen, and we 
got them on occasion with the 

497
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,480
original series. 
Yes, but it did raise that point

498
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,880
of wait a minute, why aren't our
single women's graduating 

499
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Business School getting a 
promotion? 

500
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,960
Why aren't those things 
celebrated? 

501
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,280
And it's, it was, it's a 
reflection of how our society 

502
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,000
views marriage and how it's 
really put on women that 

503
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,040
marriage is above all else. 
Yeah. 

504
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,360
Right. 
So I thought that that episode 

505
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,360
really started a conversation I 
feel like. 

506
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,840
It did. 
And I feel like the conversation

507
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,120
now has evolved into, have you 
seen this, this genre of TikTok 

508
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,320
video that's like my parents 
reaction to me graduating with 

509
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,200
my MBA? 
And it's like a photo of a 

510
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,200
person with like a totally 
neutral face. 

511
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,080
And then the video goes, my 
parents reaction to my brother 

512
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,480
making his bed. 
And they're like ecstatic. 

513
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,560
Have you seen those? 
Oh God, I but what? 

514
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,600
What do you? 
How do you? 

515
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,560
What's the I feel? 
Like, the connection is, you 

516
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,320
know, we keep talking about the 
male failure epidemic, right? 

517
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,360
When men are lagging behind. 
And all is related to how, like,

518
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,920
we don't celebrate women's 
achievements because we believe 

519
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,960
it's their obligation to achieve
in the first place. 

520
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,120
Well, you don't think we have 
that expectation of men? 

521
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
I mean, I do. 
Right. 

522
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,120
Yeah, I do, right. 
Society at large maybe also 

523
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
does, but men don't seem to be 
holding themselves to the same 

524
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,720
standard. 
True. 

525
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,320
Well, I mean, there's got to be 
a reason they are failing and 

526
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:18,160
flailing. 
OK, so this is a a recap for 

527
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,800
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528
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,320
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529
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531
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532
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535
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536
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