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I'm Jessica. 
And this is ATC presents there. 

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Bunky Rambles for a couple of 
friends review Korean dramas, 

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except it is just me today. 
Rico did not watch the show that

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we're going to talk about today.
Welcome everyone. 

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To this very special episode of 
daebak. 

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He Rambles we are on Hiatus 
right now. 

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Season 2 is going to drop early 
2022. 

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So be on the lookout for that. 
But there was a massive upheaval

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in the world of kdrama with 
regards to a Netflix show that 

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has taken the World by storm and
so me and my special guests, 

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today are going to talk through 
squid game. 

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Rico has a brother and his 
brother's name is Miguel and 

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Miguel. 
Is here with me today. 

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It's talk about squid game. 
Welcome Miguel. 

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Thanks very much for having me, 
especially for squid game. 

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Here we go. 
Yeah, this kind of came about 

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because I was starting squid 
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it you were texting me about 
squid game. 

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And so I was like, oh my God, 
Miguel's watching, squid game. 

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So, I got very excited. 
We really didn't talk about our,

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our thoughts at all about the 
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Did happen to finish around the 
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So I was like, oh perfect 
Miguel, do you want to come on 

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Dave Hawke and you were like 
yeah, let's do so. 

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I know like what is your history
with kdrama and you know with 

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with me and and everything. 
So history with kdrama and 

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history with you are actually 
pretty intertwined. 

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I started watching kdrama back 
in 2000 and I'd say eight or 

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nine back one before the 
streaming before DramaFever 

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before. 
Flex, you know, go to the Korean

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market and like try to find 
these loose DVDs and little 

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plasticine covers with bad 
subtitles but like I would pick 

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them up and I would just I would
watch all of them for the 

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longest time. 
I didn't know anybody who 

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watched Korean dramas like at 
all like everyone watches Hmong 

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rather anime or this or that but
then I met Jessica and I'm 

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remember making an off-the-cuff 
remark about this Korean show. 

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I was watching and you just like
froze you're like, wait, you You

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watch Korean. 
I was like, yeah, I watch a lot 

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of Korean dramas then more than 
now, but he for years I would 

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just watch these shows. 
You know, like this is digging 

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way back now but like coffee 
prince. 

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Yeah, yeah, super way back. 
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was a lot and I watched a lot of
those and I moved on to movies. 

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Then I moved on to Korean music,
suffice it to say, I'm here and 

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there with Korean stuff all the 
time and I'm glad I Just because

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for the longest time we would 
just like geek out about all 

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these new Korean shows. 
It's crazy that they, it's 

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exploded the way that it has. 
Oh my God, tell me about it. 

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It's insane. 
Like, when we were talking about

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this years ago, we were the odd 
people out like nobody knew 

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about kdramas. 
Nobody was talking about kdramas

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and it was like, uncool, like 
people around us would make fun 

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of us for consuming, like 
foreign entertainment and even 

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some See who would be, you know 
if somebody was willing. 

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Okay sure. 
That sounds really interesting. 

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Where can I watch it? 
Well, do you know the Korean 

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market on Pines? 
If you go to the back past the 

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little fridge with the coffees 
and you make a left and right 

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before the dehydrated fish, 
you're going to find a shelf of 

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moon. 
He's worried and they're like, 

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oh yeah, right impossible. 
Impossible watch, it's so much 

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easier to consume kdramas and 
Korean movies, and just general 

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entertainment today than it was 
so many years ago where you had 

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to like buy the DVDs and, and 
find it in the supermarket's, it

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was just not. 
Accessible like it is today and 

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this this shoulder we're going 
to talk about in just a few 

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minutes is like the culmination 
of the streaming just being like

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the perfect storm. 
This is the big payoff, it is 

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the big payoff coming together 
to show. 

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This is Korean, media is finally
on the map and I do here for it 

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if not a little bit spurn but 
you know what? 

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Okay we'll get it to know. 
It feels like okay. 

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Okay. 

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We're going to talk about squid 
game. 

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Now, the my drama, listen ops's,
do you want to give that to us, 

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Miguel? 
All right, yeah, sure my drama 

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list synopsis after a failed 
business venture. 

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The debt-ridden show, first, 
Jung ji Hoon lives his life, 

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gambling away, the money that he
mooches off of his elderly 

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mother while failing to provide 
for her and his estranged 

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daughter. 
When his life finally It's Rock 

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Bottom, he receives an 
irresistible offer a promising. 

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Him forty five point. 
Six billion won prize in 

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exchange for winning traditional
Korean children's games against 

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455 other players among them as 
his childhood friend true 

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sangwoo and commencing the 
games. 

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The participants soon, learn of 
the deadly consequences that 

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come with losing these games. 
And that's put to put it 

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lightly, I feel silly 
consequences, but come on. 

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This are In its entirety on 
September 17 2021. 

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It is a Netflix original show. 
It is only Nine episodes long 

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and it is written and directed 
by the same, dude. 

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Wang dong hyuk. 
This is his first drama series 

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ever. 
He is coming from the cinema 

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world, he wrote and directed 
Miss Granny from 2014 and 

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silenced from 2011, both great 
movies, I have never watched 

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silence but I have watched Miss 
Granny. 

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This granny. 
He's hysterical, definitely give

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it a watch. 
So let's go through our cast 

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really fast. 
We have a jung-jae plays Song Ji

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hoon and he's player 455. 
He's the main character in the 

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show. 
We have Puck Jesus plays Cho 

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seung-woo, and he is a childhood
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Also playing the squid game. 
We had you in plays Hangzhou 

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know, and he is a Cop, we'll 
leave it at that. 

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Yeah. 
And then we have a host of Side 

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characters, which I know that 
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So their real names are jung-ho 
Ian, all Young's do chapathi, a 

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non-pom Kim Joo. 
Jung Soo young, man, that was 

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tough. 
Awesome. 

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Sometimes a gone, you even gun 
and Kim young-ok, we can talk 

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really fast about these PPL. 
So young he jiong J. 

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Sorry is player 456 my bad. 
I said for 5555 earlier he has 

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been a Korean Cinema staple 
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He's been in movies like ilmari,
I say ilmari. 

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How do you say that? 
I think it's am I right? 

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Is it Lamar isn't in my mind 
it's amati but like, I don't 

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think that. 
Let me have it, right? 

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Anyway, I know it. 
Yeah, it might be Italian right 

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in my area like, but That I feel
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Spanish. 
It sounds that I don't even 

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know. 
Okay, feel mot it from 2000. 

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Yeah, that's the movie that the 
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So if you seen Keanu and Sandy 
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movie that that's based on. 
He's also been in the house made

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from 2010. 
I sent you. 

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For this, for this movie, The 
housemaid and I sent you a 

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couple of screen still, it's 
good. 

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That was like, I'm being kind of
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I wanted to put it behind me. 
It's an erotic movie, like, 

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almost like a thriller, but not 
really, it's, it's drawing. 

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I don't know if I recommend it 
to you guys but he is definitely

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a stud in that movie. 
So he's got range. 

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So, he's got ringing, a boy has 
read, and he's also been In the 

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movie assassination from 2015, 
which is really excellent. 

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I would definitely recommend 
that movie to anybody. 

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Okay, Sue is his childhood 
friend in the show, he has been 

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on the TV show, Prison Playbook,
and in movies, like time to hunt

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from 2020 and Persona in 2019, 
which is kind of like a short 

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story, episodic, sort of movie. 
I can't even call it a movie 

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really, but it's like an ass. 
It's very weird. 

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And again, there it is an 
anthology. 

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That's the word I was looking 
for. 

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And it stars, I you both of 
those movies, you can watch on 

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Netflix. 
And then we have, I just, I 

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guess we should talk about. 
We had June because the cop 

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because he has kind of exploded 
out of the show. 

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Everyone is just so riled up by 
him because he's yeah, keep your

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pants on people keep. 
It's not that serious, but he 

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was in, Romance is a bonus book 
and something in the rain, both 

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of those shows are available. 
Netflix. 

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So this show has taken the World
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As we said before it is 
Netflix's biggest ever series 

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launched. 
It was number one on the 

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platform for weeks. 
It's been watched by two thirds 

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of all Netflix users. 
That's amounts to 144 million 

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subscribers. 
That have watched at least two 

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minutes of squid game. 
That's insane. 

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It's not, it was in one. 
There was a few days I was 90 or

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was a number 1 in 90 countries. 
Number one in 90 countries and 

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something that really brought 
that to light was just the 

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process of getting it made. 
There's a story floating around 

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and I managed to look into it 
and it's like oh okay. 

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So it's real. 
The creator of the show wrote 

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this way back in 2009 like this 
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shopped it around and shopped it
around and nobody wanted it at 

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some point he hit financial 
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He even had to sell the laptop 
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The story on. 
It was like the it was basically

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like, A Korean drama. 
And then a few years pass, you 

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know, Korean media gets more 
attention and look, it's number 

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one everywhere. 
Look at all these people, just 

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watching this Korean show and 
all the dogs. 

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Yeah, I know, we'll talk about 
that in a second. 

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Yeah, but that story reminds me 
of still Sylvester, Stallone and

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Rocky because he wrote Rocky 
when he was like, dirt, poor and

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really struggling and he had to 
sell his like beloved, dog, and 

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all this stuff. 
And then when he finally made 

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the move, He and Inked a deal 
for him to also star and he 

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started making money and he went
to go buy his dog back. 

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It was like this crazy success 
story. 

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I don't know why. 
I remember that about the dog to

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like, yeah, I need to get him 
duck, I do it's like, a first 

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thing. 
You do is get back. 

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The thing. 
You love this show. 

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I cannot stress to you guys. 
How many people have watched his

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show? 
How it is now in the zeitgeist? 

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For a kdrama to be this 
prolific. 

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I mean, I'm proud. 
I feel very proud that like and 

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ecstatic that people are 
actually watching a kdrama and 

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they're putting their money 
where their mouth is too. 

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Because for Halloween. 
This, this statistic came out 

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with the Vans, they all wear 
plain white Vans in the show, 

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the sale of plain white, Vans 
worldwide increased over seven 

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thousand percent. 
White Vans for the first time in

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ages were sold out. 
For one day, they were sold out.

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Everybody's going to be wearing 
this for Halloween. 

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This is the, it's a whole, you 
can't take two steps in any 

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direction without seeing a meme 
about the show. 

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Like, it's everywhere. 
Like it's so it really resonated

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with people. 
It struck a nerve in a good way,

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like its massive. 
I want to know what you think. 

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Why do you think it did? 
So, well, I think there's a few 

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things that play, I think that 
the concept itself about playing

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childhood games, but with deadly
Stakes as fascinating for 

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anyone. 
If you tell us like, oh, we're 

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going to play tag. 
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But then you play tag in the 
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Oh, you need to win or you're 
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I think that really catches a 
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Ian, there's a certain Underdog 
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There's a lot of people in bad 
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show, trying to overcome that 
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different versions of the same 
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Not everybody's broke for the 
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They all have their motives, we 
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who doesn't seem like they're 
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So I think there's a lot of 
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across so many cultures like 
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don't die and don't. 
I had a chance to Like Against 

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All Odds, get rich and get out 
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that's something that really 
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well, so which is pretty unusual
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much more mmm-hmm. 
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give will talk about it. 
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that was probably the best idea.
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I think so we're living in a, 
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can watch anything you want and 
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A limit on what they can do in 
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cable and lamp shading doesn't 
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Like people don't want that old 

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trick where. 
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gets shot and they move away and
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away only shows a shadow of 
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seen so much. 
Now people want a visceral look 

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That's what happened to this 
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Yeah, it worked for me, one last
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dub that happened on this. 
So I didn't necessarily feel the

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translation Badness when I was 
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little bit more of a trained ear
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blanks, you know? 
With my own knowledge and of the

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culture and stuff and things. 
Like when people say like hyung 

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and in the translation, it says 
her name. 

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I'm like, that's not. 
Yeah, that's nice. 

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You know, are like when it's not
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their name. 
That's right. 

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Exactly. 
So it was no. 

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So what did you think of the 
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personally have not not seen the
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context for listeners out there,
I'm really, really big into like

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Linguistics. 
I love different languages so if

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there's ever a dub for 
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watches like the compilation of 
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language. 
Like I love to see that they do.

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I love to see how they go about 
translating stuff. 

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So I sat there and I watched a 
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every dub after I had already 
seen it, fully in Korean. 

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So I watched the first like 20 
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in English and in French. 
And then Spanish and then so it 

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was great but it wasn't great 
because the englishdom the 

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English dub I think let me go 
with the translation first. 

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As far as translations go they 
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job than what they could have 
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There's so many nuances with the
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just aren't going to translate. 
The show is already working on 

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the assumption that you are 
Korean. 

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You know, what games they're 
playing, you know what it means.

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If this Then that happens. 
So to translate everything, the 

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way that they did and somehow 
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global audience is a massive 
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There are some things 
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phrases and stuff that are Lost 
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But I feel like when you're 
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complex, it's probably best to 
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Utilitarian, instead of poetic 
the dub quality of the actors in

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English, I thought were very 
poor. 

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Like I it was it was just, it 
wasn't distractingly bad and 

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we'll talk about distractingly 
bad because there's a whole 

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English thing that goes on in 
this show. 

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But we'll talk about that in the
spoiler space. 

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The French dub, believe it or 
not, was really good. 

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The Spanish dub is really really
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of like the poetic stuff that 
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English but in general just 
watch the Korean on. 

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I just lost the connection. 
Just watch it sub like I 

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understand it's not for everyone
but that's really going to be 

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the only way that you get the 
emotion, the passion, just watch

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it. 
Yeah. 

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But they did a good job, a good 
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If you have to watch a dub it's 
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And if you know if you don't 
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work. 
They do what they're supposed to

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do. 
So right? 

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Okay. 
So with that being said, we've 

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come to the end of our our 
general Netflix success bit. 

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What did you think? 
Ink of squid game ago. 

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Overall, I liked it a lot like a
lot. 

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A lot. 
Yeah. 

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Until the very end. 
Oh, the ending. 

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Yes. 
I I love the show from 

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beginning, literally unto until 
the ending, because then it 

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turned into this whole thing, 
are we in spoiler space now? 

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No, no. 
We are not that spoilers face, 

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okay, I'll announce it when we 
anyway, it was a nearly Perfect,

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show. 
That's how I felt about it. 

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It was nearly perfect. 
And I still like it, I'll still 

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recommend it with disclaimers, 
but I it's a near-perfect show. 

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And I think with all the memes 
and all the culture and 

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everything look like it's nine 
episodes, it's an essential 

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watch officially like you have 
to watch it. 

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Hmm. 
But you know, I liked it very 

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much. 
That's all I liked it very much.

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I liked it very much. 
Okay. 

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Choices were made. 
I also really liked the show. 

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I think that a lot of people 
were put off by the violence, 

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put off by the blood and gore 
and guts, and just general 

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queasiness of the subject 
matter, right? 

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But I think that it really works
for me, I don't know why. 

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But my sensibilities, they don't
necessarily lean toward Gore and

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violence and all this stuff. 
But I seem to be really 

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comfortable with it and never 
find it didn't notice. 

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Never felt gratuitous to me. 
Did I never tracked out? 

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I was never like, oh no, that 
cross the line. 

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I was just like, okay, that's 
par for the course. 

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I know what I'm getting into I 
was soon as the first episode 

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where the first game necessarily
gets going, then I'm like okay 

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I've strapped in like I'm ready.
So I think if you have gotten 

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this far into the episode and 
you have not watched squid game 

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and that's not your bag then, 
sorry. 

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Don't watch it. 
Like I totally understand where 

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you're coming from, that's the 
reason. 

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Why Rico didn't watch it. 
He's like, no. 

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No, it doesn't interest me in 
the in the slightest. 

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That's not my, my bag. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, and I will say that it 
does. 

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If you're worried about 
violence, it's less, it's less 

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like saw violent, you know, it's
less like Serbian film violent, 

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Texas, Chainsaw, Massacre 
violent. 

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It's not that kind of violent. 
This is violence with Stakes. 

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Like, I think that's why it 
feels so grounded like yeah, it 

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gets bloody, but nothing is 
Beyond the pale and nothing's 

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ever really. 
So if you know, if you're 

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worried that it's going to be 
really gratuitous over-the-top 

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violence. 
It's probably not going to be 

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like that either so but yeah, it
does get gory. 

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Hmm, it does get gory. 
Blood is spilt and I totally 

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admire the overall theme of the 
show, which is class inequality 

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in South Korea. 
Hmm, this is a huge basically, 

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Uh, the thesis of the show, 
right? 

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And I appreciate that. 
This theme seems to be cropping 

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up more and more, you know, 
parasite, dealt with that as 

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well like class inequality. 
And actually, there was another 

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Netflix. 
This was actually a movie and it

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was a Spaniard movie called the 
platform. 

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Yes. 
And I tell you watches the way. 

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Yeah, that one I felt that was 
To, that was a very gratuitous 

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movie. 
It was shot incredibly well, 

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that was that, was it shook me? 
Like, I had to like, take a 

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breather. 
I have to go on a walk or 

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something. 
After I watch a movie because it

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was so much, I can't actually. 
So, something really terrible 

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happens in that movie and I was 
eating a rice ball full of sour 

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plum which used to be one of my 
favorite foods? 

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I haven't been able to eat at 
sense because every time I taste

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sour plum, I see the vision of a
clip from the Platform. 

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Like I'm scarred. 
Like that movie was like a lot. 

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It was a little dead and I guess
maybe cuz I've like worked up a 

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tolerance to see this sort of 
thing. 

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Like again squid game didn't 
feel like gratuitous or 

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over-the-top necessarily to me. 
What were the best parts of the 

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show for you? 
I'm gonna go ahead and agree 

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with the theme. 
I think that not only it 

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explores inequality, but it also
explores like What does somebody

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who's gotten themself into a 
situation dessert? 

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How much does society? 
Like how much is it us to for us

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to say, this person's life is 
Expendable? 

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Because of what this person has 
done to themselves. 

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They're worthless. 
I think that there's a very big 

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question that's asked throughout
the show of that. 

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Like as you know, player start 
falling away. 

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The question just keeps getting 
louder in the background, it's 

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like okay, yeah, I gambled away 
my money. 

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I did this. 
I I lost that. 

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I neglected, this but I'm still 
human, do I deserve to fight to 

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the death? 
Just so I can get a leg up and I

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found that really, that was 
really stirring. 

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I really like the individual 
motives, right? 

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The show did a very good job in.
This is why it's not gratuitous,

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instead of just, here's his 
group of people all competing 

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for this say, the way Battle 
Royale would do it. 

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They took in Squid game and it's
not I bet they take an episode 

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to show multiple points of view.
We get away from the protagonist

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and we spend a day in the life 
with all of these people in the 

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financial situations, they're 
running into their own personal 

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stakes and why they have to play
this game. 

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So it's a very humanized 
grounded show especially for 

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something so violent. 
And so over the top I think they

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did a great job of connecting 
the whole motive and human 

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condition of it all. 
I love that about the show. 

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I Agree with you. 
Wholeheartedly? 

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What is the price of a human 
life? 

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Yeah. 
Why is it however much debt you 

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owe is that you're, you know, 
the price of your, your head so 

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to speak? 
Or is it more? 

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Is it less because of your where
you come from your background, 

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your class so to speak. 
These are questions that the 

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show does not explicitly asked. 
It's asking in the subtext. 

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Hmm. 
And they do, I do. 

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Found it through the whole 
thing. 

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They all they all Wonder me, 
it's like yeah. 

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Okay. 
And what were the worst parts of

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the show for you? 
The spoiler-free worst parts of 

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the show for spoiler-free worst 
parts and them, you know what, 

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we'll jump into spoilers right 
after your answer. 

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All right? 
I think the worst part of the 

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show It had uneven pacing. 
Hmm. 

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Like there was times where it 
was a go, go go and you're all 

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in and it's awesome and 
everything is great but I felt 

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like there were a couple of 
episodes or a couple of parts in

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the show where it comes to 
almost a halt like it. 

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And it's such a change in Pace 
and energy that it kind of threw

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me off. 
So, you know, that's one thing. 

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But other than that, Nothing 
really. 

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I didn't, I really didn't have 
many complaints about the show 

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in general. 
Nothing? 

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Really. 
I think that was the only thing 

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just some uneven pacing. 
Okay, I can agree with someone. 

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Even pacing. 
I can agree with maybe some 

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English speech or speakers in 
the show not being like Oh that 

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yeah well then yeah, yeah yeah. 
So those would be my My couple 

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of nitpicks maybe no. 
I think the OST is pretty stand 

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00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:36,300
out, especially the main song 
from the that's in all of The 

449
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:41,300
Tick-Tock videos. 
Yeah, yeah, it's really 

450
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,400
memorable. 
So, that's a positive for me. 

451
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,800
I don't know if I can forgive 
them for using my favorite Waltz

452
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,500
in the show as well. 
Blue Danube. 

453
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,300
That was, that was pretty rough.
I was It's going to be PTSD 

454
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,700
whenever that comes up now. 
Yeah, I was kind of upset that 

455
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:01,400
they use that particular Waltz 
in the show but it's classical 

456
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,800
music. 
I mean, it's fair game. 

457
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,300
All right, so I think we've 
given our general thoughts and a

458
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,100
couple of knit picks for the 
show but I know that you're 

459
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:12,600
chomping at the bit to talk 
spoilers for the show. 

460
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,400
So we're going to talk spoilers 
right after this. 

461
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,700
You want to come in? 
All right, so we're on the other

462
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,100
side of spoilers. 
So if you haven't watched squid 

463
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,500
game, you're about to be spoiled
FYI. 

464
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,000
Okay, where do you want to 
start? 

465
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:42,800
We go. 
Yeah, yeah. 

466
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,100
That we could probably talk 
through the Game's real fast. 

467
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:50,600
So, the first game is the red 
light, green light, or green 

468
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,100
light, red light. 
However, you want to talk about 

469
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,600
it. 
That's really matter that's like

470
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,000
the basic concept of the game, 
right? 

471
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,200
Yeah. 
Freeze. 

472
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,400
When I turn around, run one. 
I'm turned away. 

473
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Exactly, exactly. 
So, how did you feel about that?

474
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:08,600
It was in the very first 
episode. 

475
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,500
So I saw all of the memes 
surrounding it. 

476
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:15,400
Yeah. 
But I never saw how violent that

477
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,000
was going to be and I'm not used
to seeing that in Korean dramas 

478
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,800
in general. 
Like I'll see you in like, in a 

479
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,700
movie here there, of course. 
But in a Rama and not at all. 

480
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,600
So once the first guy just gets 
shot, I'm like, oh shit. 

481
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,500
Like this is this is going to be
like this is real. 

482
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:37,000
Now, this is real. 
Then the second time, you know, 

483
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,900
another person get shot, then 
they all Scramble for the door 

484
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,800
and it's just that no mercy. 
Like, ballast of just being 

485
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,700
shot, it's it was really jarring
but it really cemented the 

486
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:54,000
stakes like this show is not 
going to screw around and I love

487
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,100
that. 
Even the even the voiceover that

488
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,600
gives the rules for the games. 
It's like to repeat rules of the

489
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,500
game are, and everyone's like oh
no, I loved it. 

490
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,600
It was a killer. 
Wow! 

491
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,600
It was a killer entrance to the 
show, Absolutely intended. 

492
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:14,300
It has that whole swing jazz 
slow motion Fly Me to the Moon 

493
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,100
bit going. 
Yeah. 

494
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:20,800
Oh and it did a great job of 
establishing the character of 

495
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
each person who's playing. 
Absolutely, I think that was The

496
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,900
main goal of the first episode 
in that first game is to 

497
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:34,500
obviously weed out the non main 
players and introduce the main 

498
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:41,100
characters for us in an easier 
high-stakes way things. 

499
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,300
I did like that they were 
playing in a school field and 

500
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,100
this is something that I feel 
like Western audience audiences 

501
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:50,200
might not get is that they're 
playing in a school field that's

502
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,300
the set or whatever that they're
on that Arena. 

503
00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,200
Is a school field and do you 
want to talk about the 

504
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,400
significance of it being 
children's games? 

505
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,800
I do. 
But I also wanted to point out 

506
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,700
something that might have gotten
lost. 

507
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:08,900
Oh yeah. 
What's your thing? 

508
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,300
Yeah. 
Something that blew my mind and 

509
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,000
I believe, I forgot, I believe 
is the protagonist who sang 

510
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,500
iPlayer, four, five, six. 
One of the characters was on 

511
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,200
Jimmy Fallon and they mentioned 
the thing about that. 

512
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Little girl, who is playing red 
light, green light, that big 

513
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,600
creepy P. 
Statue that is a character that 

514
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,500
most Korean people are familiar 
with. 

515
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,200
Like that is a character that's 
in their version of the. 

516
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,100
I know what we have it in 
Spanish, it's called luck idea, 

517
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,600
van Antigua. 
I think Koreans have something 

518
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,200
similar, it's like a kind of 
like a, you know what, the best 

519
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,400
analog for that would be like 
Dick and Jane like it's 

520
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000
characters that commonplace that
you see, when you're really 

521
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,600
little learning how to read and 
stuff. 

522
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,800
So I think that just adds 
another terrifying element, it's

523
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,300
just like if a giant Cat in the 
Hat, wasn't The field and just 

524
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,600
turns around and you all die of 
that. 

525
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:04,400
But yeah, Cat in the Hat. 
Can you imagine or green eggs 

526
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600
and ham Sam? 
I Am is staying at something. 

527
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,600
I can't imagine it. 
Okay. 

528
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000
So I really appreciated the fact
that they were playing 

529
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:20,100
children's games, it was a 
bastardization of Innocence, it 

530
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:25,000
was a loss of Innocence, it was 
a redefining of your Formative 

531
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,900
childhood years into something. 
That's very Sinister and, you 

532
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,400
know, deadly and I appreciate 
that juxtaposition that 

533
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:40,700
something as simple as a child 
game is Could kill you. 

534
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,000
Yeah, and it's and there's a 
subjects to it. 

535
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200
It goes back to the whole idea 
of like what mistakes do you 

536
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,700
make in life and at the end of 
the day, who decides what your 

537
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,700
punishment is for that? 
And how long do you have to be a

538
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,000
slave to that? 
So these are people who are 

539
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,200
perceived by people in the upper
echelon. 

540
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,300
Oh you're getting into debt. 
You know, you've lost the pot, 

541
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:04,000
you're out to lunch. 
Like you don't know how to 

542
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,100
manage your money. 
You act like a child. 

543
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:09,400
So we're going to treat you like
a child with adults takes And 

544
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,200
it's terrifying. 
I I feel like you touched on 

545
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,400
something about debt and the way
that it is in Korea and 

546
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,300
especially portrayed in 
entertainment, which is how we 

547
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:25,000
understand Korea through this 
lens of we're seeing it through 

548
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,200
movies TV music, right? 
We've never been to Korea. 

549
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,200
We are non-korean and so in the 
context of these shows and 

550
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,000
stuff, the people that are 
debt-ridden are extreme burden. 

551
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:43,600
Ian's on those around them on 
their family, on their friends. 

552
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:48,500
And that's not something that we
necessarily feel here in the 

553
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,800
west. 
And in the US that when someone 

554
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,600
has debt, it's almost so 
commonplace for every person to 

555
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,200
be in debt to have, you know, 
thousands of dollars hundreds of

556
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,800
thousands of dollars. 
If you talking about student 

557
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,500
loans, especially, you know, 
it's not something it's a joke 

558
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,700
at this point. 
It's immediately But yeah, then 

559
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,400
I have my student loan. 
Exactly. 

560
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,000
No, it's a joke suspected but in
Korea. 

561
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,600
It seems like the way that these
people get in debt is super 

562
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,500
different than how us As 
Americans get in debt because 

563
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:29,900
what they're doing is going 
through skeezy, private lenders,

564
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:34,700
not the banks, not, you know, 
the government or anything and 

565
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:38,900
they're getting in debt over 
their head upside down. 

566
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,100
And the only way that they can 
pay it back is through these 

567
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,400
blood contracts where they can 
take body parts from them, they 

568
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,700
can come into their homes and 
repossess all of their 

569
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:55,000
furniture, all of their 
belongings their cars, they can 

570
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,400
harass them in the street, and 
go after their family, their 

571
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,500
children, to pay off the debt. 
It's really a problem. 

572
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,100
You know, it's not like you're 
about that because, you know, 

573
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:10,500
here in the states we have kind 
of an analog for When but it's 

574
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,600
also treated as a joke. 
You know, like, oh the mobs 

575
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600
gonna get here. 
The loan rights big time. 

576
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,500
He's gonna break your legs. 
Yeah. 

577
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,699
And again, this like you said, 
this is just my understanding of

578
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:21,400
it. 
This is something that's so 

579
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,199
commonplace. 
Like they've exhausted the bank 

580
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,300
as alone as even an option. 
Yeah, so there was Orting to 

581
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:30,900
this. 
So, here in the states we have a

582
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:35,400
lot of laws that go against 
predatory lending practices it 

583
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,699
no matter how much debt and 
stuff we get into. 

584
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,000
There's always an opportunity to
kind And of slip out, if things 

585
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000
get to a point where they're 
more or less inhumane. 

586
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,900
Yeah, I don't really see any 
kind of reflection on that. 

587
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,500
And there's a shame element that
they have that. 

588
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,500
We don't hear you buy a 1200 
dollar iPhone that you can't 

589
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,400
afford, but people are like, 
hey, at least you got an iPhone 

590
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,900
and that's right. 
That's you're paying it off over

591
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,600
there. 
It's like you're a shame to your

592
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,100
family, to your community, to 
your friends, you don't deserve 

593
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,700
to be outside. 
Like it's this real burden and 

594
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,500
it's jarring. 
It's jarring and they are 

595
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,300
social. 
I is to those around them. 

596
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200
They are looked down upon, and 
this is just because they're in 

597
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600
debt, they also come from low 
class. 

598
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,400
They already come from no money.
They're not upper-echelon, 

599
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200
they're not child walls or 
whatever you want to call them. 

600
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,700
They're not heirs to 
conglomerates in the Korea, 

601
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,700
which is a lot of K Trauma 
Center on the tribals. 

602
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,900
So this is, you know, parasite 
territory so to speak. 

603
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,500
Eek these are people living 
mooching off others and trying 

604
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:48,400
to to just make it day by day. 
Yeah. 

605
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,700
They're just trying to get a leg
up and to do pretty average 

606
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,100
stuff. 
I think that's the more alarming

607
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,000
part like there's a couple of 
exceptions. 

608
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,600
Of course one of the primary 
characters she's you know, a 

609
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,400
North Korean Defector yeah who's
trying to bring her family over.

610
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,500
So that's one of the more 
extraordinary situations that we

611
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,700
have where Money is you eating? 
But yeah. 

612
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,800
True. 
Everyone likes is pretty mundane

613
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,000
debt. 
Exactly. 

614
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,700
She is definitely a little bit 
different and she's not only 

615
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,400
different because of her 
character coming from the north 

616
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,300
and being basically an outcast 
because she is North Korean but 

617
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,900
this actors Jung Soo young. 
This is her only action credit. 

618
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:34,900
I'm impressed identity is she 
was a model before this and this

619
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,700
is her big break. 
And what a hell of a break 

620
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:44,000
because I think she's not the 
number one, followed Korean. 

621
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,000
On Instagram, I it wouldn't 
surprise me. 

622
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,100
There's a lot of guys who are 
like really and it's partially a

623
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,800
mean, but so many people are 
like simpering her so hard. 

624
00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:00,000
They're just like they also it's
her turn like shakes her. 

625
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,600
This is what this character to 
she did, I think she she was 

626
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:10,800
such a strong character in 
resilient and badass and that's 

627
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,400
something that we don't 
necessarily see in kdramas. 

628
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400
We're like Like a girl is 
willing to like shank a dude. 

629
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:22,200
Yeah, and she had this kind of 
stoicism about her where she was

630
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,300
like she understood the gravity 
of every situation. 

631
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,600
We see her trying to take care 
of her brother. 

632
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,400
So she's more than just a 
one-dimensional, right? 

633
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,200
Pouty sultry girl, like a lot of
these kdramas do. 

634
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,800
She's just here like okay I know
the stakes, I need to get it 

635
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,000
like when she throws the pot of 
hot coffee and that dude's face.

636
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Oh yeah. 
She's like cross me again. 

637
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,200
I was like, I love it. 
There's like a ferocity to her 

638
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,900
and there's a there's definitely
a ferocity to a few of these 

639
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:55,400
characters but her, especially I
think that struck a chord with 

640
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,600
the audience and that's part of 
the reason why other than she's 

641
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,800
beautiful. 
But that definitely struck a 

642
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,400
chord with his yeah, that people
really like to see women with 

643
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,400
agency and she definitely was 
full of agency the agency. 

644
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,000
She's trying to she's She's her 
own person, she's sad. 

645
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,300
Also trying to like she's sad. 
She's trying to help her family,

646
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
which is massive. 
You know, these people. 

647
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:25,300
Yeah. 
Not even just in North Korea. 

648
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,000
Like there's there's North and 
South Korean relations like you 

649
00:38:28,008 --> 00:38:31,400
know there's people all over the
world who pay people to bring 

650
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,200
people to a country to have a 
better life. 

651
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:36,200
I think that that resonates with
a lot of people, this girl's 

652
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,600
just trying to get a better 
future for her and her family 

653
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000
and I think a lot of people can 
relate to that and it was played

654
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,900
what I loved about it was Was 
played in a non hysterical way. 

655
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,200
Like it wasn't like the feisty 
Underdog. 

656
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Who's gonna like no? 
She's like, no. 

657
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,200
I got shit to do like, yeah. 
Like I need to make this where I

658
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,800
love that about her. 
Yeah, she wasn't sure I was very

659
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,100
close to do. 
You want to talk about the 

660
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,300
scary? 
I do? 

661
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,800
Because I hate to say it, she's 
the other side of this coin. 

662
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,500
Hmm, because I gotta be on. 
I love her. 

663
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000
I love her. 
She's horrible, but I love her. 

664
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:20,800
What was her name? 
Kim. 

665
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,300
Kim Johan. 
The course woman played by hon 

666
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:26,400
media. 
Oh no, it's reverse. 

667
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,600
So the character's name is Han 
menial and she's played by Kim 

668
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,900
Joon Young. 
She was like the pick me to end 

669
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:40,700
all pygmies, like she was like 
oh there's a dude who looks 

670
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:42,400
strong. 
Let's go over there. 

671
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,900
She was loud. 
She was boisterous and I think 

672
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,700
in a very roundabout way I might
be reading too much into it but 

673
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,900
I think that she was set up to 
be the other side of the coin of

674
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,900
this other girl I think she's 
your very she's kind of like a 

675
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:02,500
parody of your very common loud 
feisty kdrama girl you know, 

676
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,100
like He's very obnoxious, she's 
very loud. 

677
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,400
But even with all that, there's 
a kind of charm there going. 

678
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,300
You don't know why you're going 
to follow her narrative but 

679
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,900
she's like she's the Loose 
Cannon and I like that, it's 

680
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:17,200
great. 
Yeah, there's a couple of so in 

681
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,700
my own movie watching in TV 
watching Whenever there is a 

682
00:40:21,707 --> 00:40:25,500
story that you can kind of 
figure out the broad Strokes of 

683
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,300
any story, right? 
Yeah. 

684
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:30,400
There's a couple of characters 
that they throw in as wild 

685
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,400
cards, right? 
I call them wild cards. 

686
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200
I thought she was Wild card. 
I thought the undercover cop was

687
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:40,100
the main wild card and then I 
didn't necessarily call them a 

688
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:45,100
wild card, but I called that the
old man was going to be the 

689
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:49,300
Puppet Master. 
Oh yeah, saw it coming so I can 

690
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,700
I put together a episode right 
away. 

691
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,300
You texted me, you're like I had
just finished it and you're 

692
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:00,100
like, hmm, this old guy seems a 
bit suspicious to me. 

693
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:01,900
I'm like, ah, she's already 
cracked it like that. 

694
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:07,700
The first of all. 
So we just talked about two 

695
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,600
characters we can talk about the
old man now real fast. 

696
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,400
But the man the this be a whole 
like as soon as I saw his number

697
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,900
that he's number 1001, I was 
like, forget it. 

698
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,900
Yeah, that's it. 
He's super size and then he was 

699
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:24,300
only too eager in episode one to
start running again. 

700
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,600
While everyone else was still 
shocked at the Bloodshed during 

701
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,300
the the red light green light 
game he was completely unpaid 

702
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:34,700
dementia angle but I'm like that
doesn't that doesn't track. 

703
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:40,600
It only came in during that 
episode, the gombu episode, the 

704
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,300
marbles with the marbles that 
was when he was played up the 

705
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:47,800
dementia. 
I would say that's the best 

706
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,700
episode to take advantage of an 
old man and I was like he'll 

707
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:55,300
Hane it out. 
Yeah, I think that's what would 

708
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:57,900
you say is your favorite episode
/ game? 

709
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,800
Because mine is the gamble. 
The marbles one. 

710
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:07,000
Um, they're also good, but I'm 
going to have to go with the 

711
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,400
want the marbles to. 
It wasn't my favorite episode 

712
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,400
like in general, but I think it 
worked as, you know, I think it 

713
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,700
might be because I love the 
second episode. 

714
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Where they're all outside and 
they get all the Back stories of

715
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,600
all these characters. 
And I feel like the episode of 

716
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,800
the marbles was like the 
culmination of that, like here 

717
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,800
comes everybody's personality to
do them in order to help them. 

718
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,700
As best as it can, everyone's 
making these decisions, they 

719
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,200
didn't think they were going to 
make everybody's be put in the 

720
00:42:33,207 --> 00:42:35,500
position like this is real. 
Now like we got to get out of 

721
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,700
here. 
So the marble game I loved it. 

722
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,200
It was also like the saddest 
episode. 

723
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,800
It was show. 
It was it was a like you said, a

724
00:42:44,808 --> 00:42:47,600
culmination. 
In it was the deepest cut. 

725
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:51,900
I think that they Bamboozled the
audience just as much as the 

726
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,200
players into thinking that 
they're going to play the game 

727
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,000
as a pair. 
Yeah. 

728
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,600
Not against each other. 
Yeah. 

729
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,100
It was going to be like oh two 
are going to come out at this 

730
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:06,300
and write it was going to be a 
group group project so to speak.

731
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:12,600
And 1-800 you thought it was not
the case they had to. 

732
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:22,300
I can't I can't Ali is probably 
he got done. 

733
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,400
So dirty, the worst ending to a 
character. 

734
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,500
I think was his his breaking. 
It was heartbreaking 

735
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:32,300
heartbreaking because you saw 
the evolution of his 

736
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:36,800
relationship with 
what's-his-name Tell Jon Cho 

737
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,000
seung-woo which is a childhood 
friend, the embezzler the white 

738
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,400
Colour Thief. 
Hmm which again that's another 

739
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:48,000
Thing that we can talk about is 
that he's a white Colour Thief 

740
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,300
versus the other guy. 
It's like he probably feels a 

741
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,200
little bit. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

742
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:58,900
But Ali is actually really 
unique. 

743
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:05,300
He's representing an entire 
culture of people that exist in 

744
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:07,900
Korea. 
You know, these workers Daniel 

745
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,400
people who just work and his 
boss hasn't paid him for three 

746
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,500
or four or five months. 
Yeah. 

747
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:18,900
And like, It's tragic because 
it's like it really that's a 

748
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:22,200
kind of diversity and a kind of 
diversity and storytelling that 

749
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,100
you don't get with Korean 
dramas, not all like at all. 

750
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,200
So to see a Pakistani character 
with his own steaks living, in a

751
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,600
shipping container with his wife
and his kid, which I found that 

752
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,400
interesting because after he 
smashed his bosses fingers and 

753
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,800
that like press machine, he got 
enough money that he could have 

754
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,900
just dipped right? 
Like, I don't know, I don't 

755
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,400
know. 
I Was like a lot of money. 

756
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,400
I gotta tell you, you took up an
envelope and just dipped, but 

757
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,600
that was when the boss is hand, 
got like ripped to shreds. 

758
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,500
That was the only time in the 
whole show that I was like, 

759
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,000
haha. 
Oh my God, I mean to, I didn't 

760
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,100
think I was like, yeah, yeah, it
was like, what's going on? 

761
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,500
I'm Liana the fingers, the 
fingers are gone. 

762
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,500
So that was they lingered on 
that one? 

763
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,900
That was, that was a, maybe that
was the gratuitous one, but you 

764
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:14,600
know what the effect was worth 
it, it was worth it. 

765
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,800
I I don't fault it for being 
shocking. 

766
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,100
Yea, but, yeah, I'll Leah is 
fantastic. 

767
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:24,100
I love the fact that they have 
this Indian actor who's been 

768
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,600
playing bit Parts in kdramas for
the past few years, comment and 

769
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:33,000
actually steal the show. 
Like, he is so compelling as a 

770
00:45:33,008 --> 00:45:35,200
character. 
You feel for him, you want him 

771
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,900
to make it just as much as kind.
Like, he's so kind, he saves our

772
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:45,100
main dude, in the first game, 
he's down. 

773
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,100
Like band together to like, oh, 
yeah, let's do this. 

774
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,600
He shows her spec through 
honorifics, he's willing out. 

775
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,500
Hey, back anyone, who he 
thought, Odom, I was just like 

776
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,000
when and then my heart was 
wrong. 

777
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,200
As I didn't know, I try to shut 
my brain off as much as 

778
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,800
possible, so that it could 
really land the impact. 

779
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,100
And I'm like, it didn't click in
my head, whatever he put, I 

780
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:10,700
thought maybe the marbles that 
he had in his pouch was going to

781
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:15,100
be less than, you know, maybe 
the other guys stole them. 

782
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,700
Majority of the marbles and he 
was going to lose on a 

783
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,300
technicality. 
But the fact that he switched it

784
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:24,700
out with stones after he's 
walking around watching all 

785
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:27,800
these people get killed with the
hope that he's like oh it's 

786
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,500
going to be fine because I just 
got to find another player like 

787
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:33,000
that was. 
I was gutted. 

788
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,100
That was real. 
Yeah. 

789
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:42,100
Cho seung-woo was Absolutely 
cruel to ruthless ruthless to do

790
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:46,200
that to him after they had 
established this Brotherhood. 

791
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,200
He was calling him hyung 
throughout the show not his name

792
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,300
like the subtitles would have 
you think, you know, hyung is 

793
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:57,600
like a term of endearment. 
It's implying a closeness that 

794
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,300
they're brothers because hyung 
little literally means brother. 

795
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:08,100
And he turns on him, he uses 
this manipulative I mean, he's 

796
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:11,700
been manipulative throughout the
whole show but the clue of it 

797
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:15,700
with the Dow gonna let dog gonna
do what shape to choose because 

798
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:17,800
he had an idea of what the game 
might be. 

799
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,900
Yes. 
And here with the got he got the

800
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:25,100
easiest shape just in case he 
was right and he let even 456 he

801
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:30,100
let him go get the umbrella. 
Yeah can you imagine what shape 

802
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,200
would you have? 
Chosen not knowing the context 

803
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,200
of this game? 
I would have chosen the umbrella

804
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,100
and I would have been dead 
because I love umbrellas. 

805
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,900
Neurotic on taxation. 
Yeah, I think it would have been

806
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:44,700
umbrella or star. 
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have

807
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,800
chose the circle or the triangle
The truth. 

808
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,100
Like where's the fun in that? 
Yeah I want to do the umbrella 

809
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,500
umbrella or star. 
Yeah we well we would have died.

810
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:04,500
I just couldn't sleep. 
Yeah, it was awful but the Ali 

811
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,700
death. 
I think struck struck me the 

812
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:08,000
most. 
Yeah. 

813
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,300
It was just and then he calls 
out here long before he's like 

814
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:15,600
young and then he gets shot. 
It's just they did us the favor 

815
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,700
of not showing him like Get shot
shot. 

816
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,500
They did ya like the? 
It was actually pretty packed 

817
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:23,000
for the audience. 
Yes. 

818
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,300
And I thought that when they 
didn't show the old man getting 

819
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:34,800
shot either, where it was only a
lie and only players are one 

820
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:41,800
that didn't get a full face shot
on screen and that you could 

821
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,600
read into it as much as you 
want. 

822
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,300
I think that he's just as 
important as players are one who

823
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:51,200
turns out to be a major 
influence on the entire games, 

824
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,800
which is nice to that reveal 
because that that's going to 

825
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,300
deserve its own thing. 
Yeah, we'll burn. 

826
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,800
It was the marble game like your
favorite game. 

827
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,400
The Mario game was my favorite 
because it had the most tension.

828
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:07,400
In to it, to me the red light. 
Green light was almost like 

829
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:10,500
Yeah, I know who's going to make
it out. 

830
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,200
It's a tutorial thing. 
Like the sugar cookie thou gonna

831
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,100
again I was like I know who's 
going to make it out. 

832
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:23,600
And the tug-of-war again you 
know who's going to make it out?

833
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,900
What about the glass platforms? 
That one again, I was like, I 

834
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:31,400
has to be, it has to be sung, 
Chi Hoon. 

835
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,600
It has to be Cho seung-woo, the 
child or friend, the 

836
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,900
manipulative asshole, who killed
Ali and it was either going to 

837
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:45,200
be one of the girls. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

838
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,800
You know your course I'd be Neo 
pick, meager off street, smart 

839
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,600
lady, but that ahjumma or it was
going to be Kang savioke, the 

840
00:49:57,607 --> 00:50:01,400
North Korean, there was really 
no, how great was it when they 

841
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,800
get back from the marble game 
and how many I was just sitting 

842
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,200
there like, hey, that's a great 
again are all shell-shocked. 

843
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,700
That's literally its Fair, it's 
fair. 

844
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:16,300
We're all equals here. 
So if I don't have a partner, I 

845
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:18,900
can't play. 
That's literally the definition 

846
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:23,500
of a wild card to me, is that 
they take her off the board, but

847
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,900
she's still on the board. 
Yeah, she's still there and 

848
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:35,200
she's looking at his name the 
thug, the his oh Jong Ducks, who

849
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:40,800
John Luke's face tattoo man, 
there, their whole relationship 

850
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:46,500
was A ride, a roller coaster. 
How was that was wild? 

851
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,200
That's a show in itself. 
Oh, yeah. 

852
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,700
And I love that like, I loved 
their Dynamic together because 

853
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:55,900
he thought that he was just 
gonna get over on her. 

854
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Like, he's gotten over on 
everything else and he finally 

855
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,300
met his match. 
And it wasn't the way he was 

856
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,300
expecting. 
Yeah, I think he's going to 

857
00:51:03,308 --> 00:51:05,800
bully everybody. 
And it's like, no hits this. 

858
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,800
Wild card check who's going to 
bring you down? 

859
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,900
Exactly. 
I appreciated that they planted 

860
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:14,300
that seed when You betrayed her 
the first time she was like, 

861
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,800
okay, fine, but I'm gonna kill 
you before. 

862
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,200
This thing is over, the game is 
not going to kill you. 

863
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,300
I am gonna kill you and I was 
like, yes, bitch, preach it, 

864
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,900
speak it into existence, and 
that's exactly what happened. 

865
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,000
You know, there, there's some 
things that people say in a show

866
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,400
and I'm like that's never going 
to happen. 

867
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,800
Doesn't usually when somebody 
says something like that you're 

868
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,500
waiting for the moment. 
Yeah. 

869
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:41,700
You're ready for it to happen 
and you. 

870
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:44,200
Your, but it comes in the way 
you least expect. 

871
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,000
I think, what I liked about her 
is she kept her word, but it 

872
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,500
also speaks to why she's up 
there. 

873
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:53,700
She's in my top three, like four
characters, because she was so 

874
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:57,100
sure of herself, even until the 
end, she's like, okay, I'm not 

875
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:05,800
going to win this, but but I 
know who I am and I'm taking you

876
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,100
with me and I'm gonna die on my 
own terms and that was that like

877
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,000
that was, that was really cool. 
Cool. 

878
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:16,000
I love that. 
So we haven't talked about the 

879
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
cop, the undercover cop. 
Oh, yeah. 

880
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,900
Because he's the main wild-card,
you kind of expected him to 

881
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,400
bring it down from the inside or
something. 

882
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Never Never Happened, never 
happened. 

883
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,500
He doesn't bring it down from 
the inside. 

884
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,200
He's trying to find his missing 
brother. 

885
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,200
He Is super responsible, was 
that for you? 

886
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,500
Oh, that was very predictable. 
Those very predictable, right? 

887
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:46,500
Like, that's a simple fact that 
his, but they were like his 

888
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:52,400
brothers gone missing, and he's 
not on the roster of this season

889
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,400
squid game players and he hasn't
died. 

890
00:52:56,300 --> 00:53:01,600
So, I was like, okay, so he's in
on it and it must be something. 

891
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:03,400
Yes, I was like, it has to be 
someone. 

892
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,900
We haven't seen their face yet, 
so, and there's only so many 

893
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:10,900
people. 
All that have enough clout 

894
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:14,400
within the show for them to be 
like that's the brother, that's 

895
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,900
the surprise, right? 
Yeah. 

896
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:20,000
And so it was very predictable 
to me. 

897
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:26,800
That it was the Black Mask. 
Dude, the front man who is 

898
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,400
played by evil Moon held well, 
like, oh my God. 

899
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,700
He's done. 
Masquerade, memories of the 

900
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:38,000
sword. 
Those are a couple of his 

901
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,700
movies. 
I know him from Iris. 

902
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:42,100
Do you remember recommending 
Iris to me? 

903
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:46,000
I remember back in the day. 
This guy a I remember. 

904
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,400
And that's one of the only drama
that went on to have how many 

905
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,500
spin-offs like Jenna had a 
movie. 

906
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:53,700
Yeah it's insane. 
Our house. 

907
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,600
I know and he's also an another 
Netflix show. 

908
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,800
A Netflix original mr. 
Sunshine from 2018 so it's 

909
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,500
almost like Netflix is drawing 
from like its own pool of kdrama

910
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:09,600
actors who have Richard and 
other Netflix shows Which is 

911
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,900
common for Netflix Netflix likes
to push forward like the same 

912
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:14,900
rights over. 
And it's what's that guy doing? 

913
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,600
Let's go get him. 
Yeah, so even then is a great 

914
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,900
pole, a great face to have 
underneath the black mask. 

915
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:27,700
And again it's not really a 
surprise to me wasn't a surprise

916
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:31,900
to you, but I'm sure people were
very happy to see Evelyn. 

917
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,100
Did you expect him to shoot his 
brother John? 

918
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,800
Yes. 
Yeah, you did expect him to kill

919
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,200
his brother and Fully he's not 
done. 

920
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:46,000
That's what I think do. 
So look, this is where I kind of

921
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,200
get into the problems with the 
show, right? 

922
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,200
Because everything was going 
great. 

923
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,300
It was like an amazing mix of 
like, people are going to look 

924
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,700
at this and they're going to be 
fascinated by Korean culture. 

925
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:57,700
It's like, wow, they have red 
light green light. 

926
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:59,500
Wow! 
What is this dalgona thing? 

927
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,700
I love it. 
When a show can really present a

928
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,700
different culture in a way where
people are gonna be like, oh, 

929
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:07,100
shit, we're not that different 
and the things that are 

930
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:10,600
different are fascinating. 
And let's see what that's about.

931
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,100
Now when you've been watching 
kdramas, as long as we have, 

932
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,400
that kind of like optimism is 
there, but it's on a different 

933
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,900
shelf, because when we get to 
the last two episodes, this show

934
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:27,600
starts falling into the common 
trappings of the average kdrama,

935
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:30,800
the same way parasite does near 
the end of the movie. 

936
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,600
Also and it's just like oh no no
no no no. 

937
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,600
And so when the big reveal 
happens, I'm like, okay cool. 

938
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:44,000
But if he doesn't shoot this cop
in the head We're getting a 

939
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,800
second season, right? 
That's all this is. 

940
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:50,200
So he shoots him in the arm and 
he falls into the water. 

941
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,000
We don't see him. 
That man is still alive. 

942
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,000
He's gonna be fine. 
He's fine. 

943
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,000
Like, and I don't like, I wish 
that there would have been more 

944
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,700
of a build-up because I get the,
he was looking for his brother, 

945
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:07,600
but I felt like the cop was 
going to do something bigger, I 

946
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,700
guess, but I guess he didn't 
have the time but I guess this 

947
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,100
sets up the stakes for another 
season like okay. 

948
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:23,400
I gotta take my brother down 
with my Ronald McDonald 456 

949
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,800
player. 
What was the red hair? 

950
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,100
What was the? 
Oh my God. 

951
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:29,600
Okay, we're jumping all the way 
to the end. 

952
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,900
Hold on. 
So he obviously we don't think 

953
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:36,300
that when, you know the 
undercover cop played by we, we 

954
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:39,500
had you and is dead. 
He's gonna come back as a 

955
00:56:39,508 --> 00:56:43,000
wild-card for season two. 
We obviously feel like Netflix 

956
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,300
would Stupid. 
If they didn't do a season 2 and

957
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,200
we know Netflix, they're going 
to do is use it to they're 

958
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,400
gonna. 
Um, did you expect that the 

959
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,700
brother was a? 
Did you expect that the older 

960
00:56:53,700 --> 00:57:00,700
brother was a 2015 Winter? 
No, I was expecting me because 

961
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:02,100
the rules. 
I think that's what I liked 

962
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,200
about the show. 
Is that we get a really 

963
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,100
horrifying glimpse into how long
these games have been going. 

964
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:11,600
Hmm. 
And the motive behind creating 

965
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,600
the game and everything. 
And we look at That and it's 

966
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,600
like everything that they would 
peel back. 

967
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,400
Whenever the wallpaper gets 
peeled back, you just seem more 

968
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,800
stuff behind it and it just 
raises more questions and not 

969
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,000
even in an unsatisfying way, 
like when he goes down there and

970
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,800
sees all these binders. 
It's like, how does any of this 

971
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,200
work, who's behind this? 
How is this organized? 

972
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:34,800
You know, is there like a 
system? 

973
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,100
Where if you win you're the new 
Runner of the game. 

974
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:40,600
Like there's so many theories 
and so much stuff going on that.

975
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,700
I didn't expect that and I'm 
still not altogether. 

976
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:47,900
Sure. 
Why he was the lead of this. 

977
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:53,200
The fact that the brother was a 
2015 winner and still decided to

978
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,700
get on the payroll was very 
surprising to me and I'd love to

979
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:58,700
know more about that. 
So that's something I'm looking 

980
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,600
forward to for season two, that 
they're going to. 

981
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:05,100
I hope beef up. 
It'd be on the news from man 

982
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:07,900
because their seat there. 
What the hell happened here? 

983
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:11,700
Because he witnessed all this 
Carnage and still came back for 

984
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:15,400
seconds and thirds and you know,
he's been on the shop vac and he

985
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,200
looked at that and said, this is
reasonable like and he even 

986
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
alludes to that when he 
speaking, he's like, you know, 

987
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,900
these people have nowhere else 
to go, they don't have anything 

988
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:29,500
to do and it's kind of like in 
the mix of all of it. 

989
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:32,600
Somehow he survived all, I guess
he's my guess, is that he 

990
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,300
survived all of it. 
Got a bit of a God complex like 

991
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:38,200
it comes back to that old 
Underdog Story. 

992
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,500
That happens here. 
Maybe I'm reading too much into 

993
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:43,100
it, but it's another trapping of
debt cap. 

994
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,100
Les, I'm all the rest of it, 
where you have one guy who 

995
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:50,400
Against All Odds or against odds
that are just so tilted against 

996
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,600
you that it really is luck 
rather than perseverance and 

997
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,800
then they get on top and then 
they look down on ever. 

998
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,100
Well I did it, why can't you 
hmm? 

999
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,500
Well I did it. 
Why shouldn't? 

1000
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:02,100
Why should you guys get a leg 
up? 

1001
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:03,900
I'm already here so I'm living 
proof. 

1002
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:06,700
This can work. 
Hmm, it's awful. 

1003
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:11,100
Its horrifying terrible. 
Do we want to talk about their 

1004
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,000
main dude? 
For my sake? 

1005
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,700
I can't because I feel like he 
is such a great vehicle for us 

1006
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:20,800
to follow. 
And for the show to really put 

1007
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:26,900
some put some effort in his 
story because I truly love song 

1008
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,800
Yuan as a character. 
He's so sympathetic. 

1009
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:36,600
He is basically the the homeless
poor man with a heart of gold. 

1010
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,100
Yep, on throwing through he's a 
bit mischievous, a little 

1011
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:44,100
immature, but he's not a bad. 
Die. 

1012
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,300
He knows his lot in life and 
he's just trying to get out and 

1013
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:52,100
I feel like everyone thinks of 
themselves that way that they 

1014
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:55,900
feel like oh they're just a punk
going through life and they feel

1015
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:59,600
like everyone is a little bit 
mischievous like a child and is 

1016
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:02,600
experiencing everything for the 
first time and with a kind of 

1017
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:08,800
Wonder and open-mindedness about
stuff and but still you know, 

1018
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:12,600
doesn't want to get stolen from 
wants to have fun at a horse 

1019
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,000
race. 
Gambling and not lose like all 

1020
01:00:15,008 --> 01:00:18,500
their money, but it's just kind 
of basic his daughter out just 

1021
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,600
for a basic meal. 
Oh my God, that was 

1022
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,500
heartbreaking. 
That whole thing was so 

1023
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,700
heartbreaking for us to see him.
Taking his daughter out. 

1024
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:31,200
He had the best intentions, he 
won that money and he signs a 

1025
01:00:31,207 --> 01:00:33,500
blood contract gets the money 
stolen. 

1026
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:38,000
He's Jack, his face is busted 
and he has to take his daughter 

1027
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,600
out for street food. 
They end up having like a 

1028
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,100
bookie. 
Oh my gosh. 

1029
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,500
And it's Western she's like it's
okay, it's okay. 

1030
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,700
My mom doesn't let me junk food 
anymore. 

1031
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,600
So this is a treat for me and I 
was like Western audiences. 

1032
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,200
Don't really understand that. 
Fuck bookie is street food, 

1033
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,300
right? 
It's cheap kids have it after 

1034
01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:00,500
school. 
It's not a fancy meal. 

1035
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,800
It's not expensive. 
This is like the least amount 

1036
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,500
that he can do. 
Like, what is an equivalent of 

1037
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:09,000
that for us? 
Like all y'all I Were King. 

1038
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,700
Mcdonald would be, you know what
it would be? 

1039
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:13,100
It would be like chicken nuggets
and fries. 

1040
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,700
It wouldn't even be a burger. 
Like that would be like nuggets 

1041
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:18,900
and fries or just all are many 
20 piece of nuggets. 

1042
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,000
Like here in the states, you'll 
probably see that like in an 

1043
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,100
Asian fusion restaurant like in 
a tiny fancy little black bowl 

1044
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,700
with some chives on it for nine 
dollars, that's not the case. 

1045
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,600
Look he's like a dollar. 
Fifty two bucks for this bowl of

1046
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,300
just it's just rice cake covered
in sauce. 

1047
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,300
It really just doesn't get any 
more basic than us. 

1048
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:42,700
So equivalent here is like not 
even fry shows, here's some 

1049
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:44,000
nuggets. 
It's, there's your drinking, 

1050
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,400
it's, it's very sad and it 
really lets you understand where

1051
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,000
he's coming from, that he is 
struggling so much. 

1052
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:59,100
He's got to borrow money from 
his asshole, ex-wife's, husband.

1053
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:03,100
Now, like it's it's wild. 
You really feel for that 

1054
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,800
character and I appreciate that,
even though it's very obvious 

1055
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:12,800
that he will live to win the 
game, that he's a Worthy. 

1056
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,700
Winner. 
He's very worthy and I love the 

1057
01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:19,600
thing that really nailed me on 
his character from the beginning

1058
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,900
was when all of the players are 
getting their photo taken. 

1059
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,300
And he puts like this big cheesy
smile and they go to, like, the 

1060
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:31,900
hexagon where all of the photos 
aren't everyone looks all stoic 

1061
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:34,400
or scared, or crying, or angry, 
or determine. 

1062
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,400
And he's just there with this 
big light shining smile, like, 

1063
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,900
huh? 
Like I'm here? 

1064
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,900
Yeah. 
It's, he's very nice. 

1065
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:44,900
Naive. 
And he's very simplistic. 

1066
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,400
He sees the world in black and 
white, and I think we'd all like

1067
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,700
to be that way to still very 
childish, and he's built in an 

1068
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:55,500
innocent way. 
Just like, I love when it comes 

1069
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:58,600
down between him and the asshole
who we can just call him the 

1070
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,000
asshole because okay. 
That's really. 

1071
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,000
Yeah, hmm. 
Yeah. 

1072
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,700
The pride and joy of their town,
which all they kept referring 

1073
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:10,800
them to. 
I love that even when it comes 

1074
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,000
time to be face-to-face, playing
the actual Good game, you know, 

1075
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,800
again is just like, okay, that's
it. 

1076
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,100
Like we don't want to play 
anymore like like we don't want 

1077
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:22,900
to play anymore and nobody has 
to die. 

1078
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:28,300
And up until the very end, you 
know, is just like trying but 

1079
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,800
doesn't work but it's an 
Everyman complex that works like

1080
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,700
for the show like you can relate
to them or you want to be him so

1081
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:40,600
Samuel. 
I do want to touch on this as 

1082
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,300
that he was suicidal. 
Yes, he was in the middle of 

1083
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,400
committing suicide when they 
knocked on his door and gave him

1084
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,300
the squid. 
Game card for round two. 

1085
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:56,500
Right to come back to the games.
And in my mind I'm like okay 

1086
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:59,200
they just telegraphed how he's 
going to die, he's either going 

1087
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,700
to die in the games or he's 
going to commit suicide which 

1088
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:05,100
was his original intention. 
He's already suicidal. 

1089
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:11,200
And that's exactly what happened
like your they're faced with one

1090
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,000
of them has to win. 
They tried to Hunger Games, it 

1091
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,300
with we can both be the winner 
or we can both leave, right. 

1092
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,800
We can end this thing because 
it's a majority vote for ending 

1093
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,300
the games. 
All he needs to do is say Us, 

1094
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,900
all you need to do is say yes to
live to live and it wasn't it 

1095
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:33,500
wasn't enough for him to just 
say or I would you go back that 

1096
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:34,600
was relieved. 
Yeah. 

1097
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,300
Right. 
That was exactly what he was 

1098
01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:40,300
because he lived with no 
winnings. 

1099
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:43,800
He was going to commit suicide 
before going back into the game.

1100
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,800
So I was like the circumstances 
for the same, he's gonna kill 

1101
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:51,100
himself and the really just 
messed up part is that if they 

1102
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:54,000
both would have left and even 
got in part of the prize, or if 

1103
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,700
only one of them got in it, they
both still would have won 

1104
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,100
because gay and would have given
them like, more than half. 

1105
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,600
If not, all of it are like a ton
of it. 

1106
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,500
Yeah. 
Like so, but the rules were 

1107
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,100
never made clear about what 
happens if they both walk away. 

1108
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:08,500
Well, if they both thought they 
were both walk away. 

1109
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,100
All that money goes toward those
that died. 

1110
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,200
Yeah, I still don't believe 
that. 

1111
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,600
That's going to be the case 
though. 

1112
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:20,200
Like so the first I do I do feel
like that is the case because 

1113
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,700
the entirety of the game was 
predicated on fairness. 

1114
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,500
Mmm and see if a we get like a 
sudden windfall out of nowhere. 

1115
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,600
Exactly. 
So they were religious about 

1116
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,100
everyone having the same playing
on the same Fairfield and I 

1117
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:43,000
totally believe that these squid
game amorphous beings that have 

1118
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:49,300
created this game would, in 
fact, give 40 billion 12, all of

1119
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:50,700
these hundreds of people that 
died. 

1120
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,400
In fact, if they're worried at 
all, All like actually shocked 

1121
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,300
me. 
I got to be honest, like the 

1122
01:05:57,300 --> 01:06:01,100
fact that they gave him a card 
in the end at all blew my mind. 

1123
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:03,400
I had a feeling they were going 
to just throw him out in that. 

1124
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,600
Was it like haha, just kidding. 
It was all for nothing. 

1125
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:09,200
Like I think it's that cynicism 
that comes with. 

1126
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,200
You know, what are you promised 
by someone who can give you so 

1127
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,500
much more like they don't have 
to deliver who's ever going to 

1128
01:06:15,508 --> 01:06:17,700
believe this guy, we could ditch
him in the middle of the street 

1129
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,700
and he'll ramble all his life 
about how he was kidnapped in 

1130
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,900
the amount of trust that these 
people have to have in. 

1131
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:28,300
In B's faceless. 
People is incredible. 

1132
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:31,300
I mean, they literally have 
nothing to lose. 

1133
01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:33,700
No. 
And they don't accept and speak.

1134
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:38,200
They only speak what their guns.
Like, we need to get out of here

1135
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,300
and nope, they're just standing 
there with their gun, nothing. 

1136
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,800
I don't think we addressed this 
but forty five point. 

1137
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,200
Six billion. 
One is thirty eight point, seven

1138
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:54,700
million dollars u.s. dollars. 
Yeah, that's a lot that's a lot.

1139
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,100
I mean I can't even I can't even
spend a million dollars. 

1140
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:00,800
So and it's how quantifiable is 
that? 

1141
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,000
Like basically all of these 
people's lives in the end was 

1142
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,000
worth this. 
It's like, oh yeah if you divide

1143
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,900
what is it? 
Thirty eight point seven million

1144
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:15,800
dollars by 455. 
Yeah. 

1145
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,400
Then that's the value of each 
player. 

1146
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,000
What a mess it It's great 
though. 

1147
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,600
But it's can we talk about the 
upper echelon like that VIP 

1148
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:27,300
Club? 
That? 

1149
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:29,100
Yes, that was where I was going 
next. 

1150
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:30,500
Tell me. 
What do you want to say about 

1151
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:33,000
VIP? 
That was the biggest. 

1152
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,000
I had a surreal moment with 
this. 

1153
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:38,800
So, the first thing that I saw 
about this was like, oh, of 

1154
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,800
course. 
All right. 

1155
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,900
Like, you know what I mean? 
Like, I hate to say it, but 

1156
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:46,200
squid game now lives as 
headcanon for me when I see 

1157
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,700
people who go missing 
mysteriously. 

1158
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,600
Oh, that's what I believe is 
happening. 

1159
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,700
You know, you see things like 
Jeffrey Epstein's Island. 

1160
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:55,600
You see things like and it's 
like, you know what? 

1161
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,600
This is starting to make sense 
now and I don't mean that in a 

1162
01:07:58,607 --> 01:08:01,300
way to like make light. 
I'm just saying this is a very 

1163
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:07,000
thorough piece of fiction. 
That makes perfect sense on way 

1164
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,000
too many levels. 
So when the VIP show up I'm like

1165
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,000
that makes sense. 
These would be the CEO's that 

1166
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,300
this that that covered in Moss. 
A little bit on the nose, you 

1167
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:18,899
know, the whole Eyes Wide Shut 
mask thing was like a big batch 

1168
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,399
that was. 
I felt the same way. 

1169
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,100
Yeah. 
Like one day came in. 

1170
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:23,700
Two, I got two things out of 
that. 

1171
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,000
The first thing was, like, it 
was a little, it was a little, 

1172
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,899
you know, whatever, very Bond 
villain ish but I'll let that 

1173
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:31,800
slide. 
But the other thing that I 

1174
01:08:31,808 --> 01:08:35,800
didn't expect to feel was, like,
I've gotten to know, like, all 

1175
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,000
of these players and like this 
cool playpen. 

1176
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,000
And when they show up, it's kind
of like, when your parents come 

1177
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,700
to pick you up from summer camp,
where that whole like, oh, it's 

1178
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:49,000
just you and your friends, 
nobody else exists. 

1179
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,200
It's like, oh, the parents are 
here like their In the show and 

1180
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,600
showing the sadism how much they
were enjoying these players, 

1181
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,100
dying pulled me out of the show 
but not in a bad way. 

1182
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:03,100
It just made me empathize and 
sympathize with the players even

1183
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:06,200
more. 
Yeah, and it's really my hatred 

1184
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:11,100
towards the VIP and the staff 
way more like Amplified all my 

1185
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:13,300
feelings across the board, 
right? 

1186
01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:17,500
Um it just made me think. 
Of course, this is about the low

1187
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:21,100
class being exploited for the 
upper class for sport for 

1188
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:24,399
entertainment. 
Which was my guest, the whole 

1189
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:26,899
time, right? 
Yeah, was just confirmation for 

1190
01:09:26,899 --> 01:09:30,300
me at first. 
I thought that the games were 

1191
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:34,300
like Charlie and the Chocolate 
Factory or Willy Wonka and the 

1192
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:38,399
Chocolate Factory, where these 
gains are happening. 

1193
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,899
And the winner is going to 
basically inherit some sort of 

1194
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,899
Empire. 
Yeah. 

1195
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:51,899
But it wasn't, but it wasn't 
that, maybe maybe not yet not 

1196
01:09:51,899 --> 01:09:53,800
yet. 
We had yeah. 

1197
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:58,100
But yeah, they bet money on them
like horses or Greyhounds and 

1198
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:00,700
they got annoyed. 
When their favorite player lost 

1199
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:04,100
versus, they weren't upset that 
the loss of life. 

1200
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:07,300
They were upset that their 
player was out of the game. 

1201
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,300
Then they were information to 
like they had the information. 

1202
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:14,500
Like, the glass pane game, I 
found very interesting because 

1203
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:17,700
one of the last standing players
was looking at the glass. 

1204
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:20,200
He's like, I worked in a glass 
factory for 30 years, I can tell

1205
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,200
the difference between tempered 
glass and fragile glass. 

1206
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:25,500
Gasps and seeing the VIP 
members? 

1207
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:28,400
Hey, isn't that your guy? 
Yeah, this information was in 

1208
01:10:28,407 --> 01:10:30,300
his binder, I didn't even read 
that. 

1209
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:35,300
Damn, it, I should have bet on 
him and it's like, yo, like the 

1210
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:38,900
extent to which those like VIPs 
disregarded, the humanity of the

1211
01:10:38,907 --> 01:10:44,200
players is incredible to me. 
Yeah, it was depraved. 

1212
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:46,200
And what about the voices 
though? 

1213
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:51,500
That was awful, that was awful. 
That what English-speaking was 

1214
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:54,000
not so good. 
Was just robotic. 

1215
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,600
It was robotic and out of. 
But I did read why I found out 

1216
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,000
why today actually girl. 
So when it comes down to it, 

1217
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,300
adding English and this is it 
may sound like a generalization.

1218
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:10,300
But I've read enough about where
it's like, okay, this seems like

1219
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:12,100
it's a thing as far as I can 
tell. 

1220
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:17,100
It's a thing where the actors 
that are being pulled in our 

1221
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:21,300
models who are biracial or their
white who live in Korea already 

1222
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,500
and it's like oh let's get that.
Guy, he speaks English and 

1223
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:26,700
that's fine. 
But the reason they can't 

1224
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,100
deliver the lines isn't 
necessarily because they're poor

1225
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:32,200
actors, but because they're 
giving no context to the scenes.

1226
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,400
Just like here's these lines 
read them. 

1227
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:37,700
So that's why the conversations 
were like hey, you bet on that 

1228
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:40,700
one, right? 
Hahaha, and the other person's 

1229
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:43,300
like, yeah, I totally did that 
on that one. 

1230
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:46,400
Like it didn't feel like a 
natural conversation. 

1231
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:48,600
So they were just blindly given 
their lines. 

1232
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,600
Also, they were so far apart the
characters couldn't For each 

1233
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,400
other. 
So they were literally shouting.

1234
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,100
That's why it sounds like 
they're shouting. 

1235
01:11:57,100 --> 01:12:02,900
Gosh it's a mess but the really 
creepy fat guy, who tries to 

1236
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:07,800
sexually assault if you can, 
please me in the next five 

1237
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,300
minutes. 
Yeah that was a whole thing that

1238
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:13,400
was a whole thing but in real 
life it turns out. 

1239
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,400
He's actually not like that. 
Like not a criminal but he's 

1240
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,600
just as boisterous in real life.
They asked him what he thought 

1241
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,100
about the role. 
He's like, I've gotten so much 

1242
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:24,800
fan mail, everyone loves me. 
He's literally like that in real

1243
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,700
life. 
You living. 

1244
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:30,900
Oh my gosh, he's like I got to 
do suitors both male and female.

1245
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:41,300
I didn't and I was like oh my 
God. 

1246
01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:46,000
Yeah that whole thing. 
The view peas are just meant to 

1247
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:49,500
juxtapose against the players. 
They care. 

1248
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:54,000
Nothing of the billions. 
Billions of one pot that the 

1249
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,400
players so desperately need and 
waswe Tuesday for them. 

1250
01:12:57,500 --> 01:13:01,600
Yeah, I'm gonna day all in a 
day. 

1251
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,800
It's very casual nonchalant. 
When this is over, they're going

1252
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,300
back to their wherever they came
from like it's nothing. 

1253
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,900
So I think at this point, we got
to talk about the ending and 

1254
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:15,300
Willy, Wonka /, the man behind 
the curtain. 

1255
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:21,600
Because we've mentioned him 
before this had about the 

1256
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:27,500
players user 1. 
Yeah, I already listed that he 

1257
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:29,600
was too eager to like play this 
game. 

1258
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:34,900
He somehow survived the massacre
night where it was like the 

1259
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:39,200
strobing effect happening. 
Yeah, somehow. 

1260
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:45,500
He got all the way up from. 
How exactly he meaningfully 

1261
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:50,800
gives player 456 his jacket and 
says people will look down on 

1262
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,400
him if he's not wearing his 
jacket, which is something that 

1263
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,600
someone only of an upper Ash 
Onward to put focus on Legit. 

1264
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,300
The context of it's like, yeah, 
I know, we're fighting for our 

1265
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,100
lives, but your hair. 
You know what I mean? 

1266
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:09,000
Yeah, that's not something 
people of their class say, yeah,

1267
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,200
it wasn't precise, stand up 
straight. 

1268
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:18,400
When you're killing someone, I 
get it. 

1269
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,700
We're fighting to the death, but
posture, that sounds like 

1270
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:25,200
something old money would ask 
us, you're killing him ago, 

1271
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,100
Okay. 
So So in the gumbo episode, he's

1272
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:32,900
having his dementia episode and 
he finally ends up at this house

1273
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,300
and inside outside this house, 
there's this squid game symbols.

1274
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:40,800
Hmm. 
And I'm like, that's a dead 

1275
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,200
giveaway to yeah. 
Yeah. 

1276
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,500
And he was lying convincingly 
that they are as your house. 

1277
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:50,800
He was lying convincingly 
throughout the marbles game 

1278
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,600
pretending to have dementia. 
Letting him con him out of his 

1279
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,200
marbles. 
It's just like, okay, so he's 

1280
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,700
very comfortable with lying. 
He also says, it's only fair 

1281
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,400
when he proposes that we, they 
should do all or nothing for the

1282
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,100
marbles. 
Yeah. 

1283
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,900
So he's obsessed with fairness. 
All of a sudden. 

1284
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:12,200
Yeah. 
Reasoning. 

1285
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,600
Quality into the fairness and 
equality that they're given like

1286
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,400
by down, but then like there's 
enough clues that even if you 

1287
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,500
didn't like I wouldn't blame 
anyone for not seeing it coming 

1288
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,400
and if you completely shut off 
your brain, like there's enough 

1289
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,600
clues in there. 
Where you can still logically 

1290
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,600
piece it together by a certain 
point. 

1291
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,000
Hmm But the game I think is the 
dead giveaway when he's like, oh

1292
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,900
and you think it's okay to fool 
an old man like he dragged him 

1293
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:40,500
through that whole game. 
But also what about Wonder on 

1294
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:45,700
the outside and he just shows up
like in the second episode. 

1295
01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:48,400
He's like oh you want to share 
some soup and a whiskey? 

1296
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:51,100
It's like, oh, we're just in the
neighborhood. 

1297
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,800
Yeah, he look, he's lived in. 
This neighborhood isn't I. 

1298
01:15:53,900 --> 01:15:57,100
GM has in this neighborhood, his
entire life for In squalor to 

1299
01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:01,500
where he is now. 
And never, once, he's seen this 

1300
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:05,500
guy, except for this one like 
no, like, like we can stop now. 

1301
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:09,100
Like the, the dude, the front 
man says, on the phone, I'm 

1302
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:10,700
happy to hear you enjoy the 
game. 

1303
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:17,100
Like that's just after the old 
man was killed air quotes. 

1304
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:23,000
It's like, okay, I'm sorry if 
you were, you didn't see it. 

1305
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,100
But again, I feel like it was 
very obvious. 

1306
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,900
He is the the ringleader, the 
man behind the curtain Willy 

1307
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:33,500
Wonka, he is the creator of the 
squid game. 

1308
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,300
Yeah, yes. 
I know which Joker. 

1309
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,900
Moment, he has the Joker moment,
like, for in the dark night when

1310
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,800
which, I've always hated the 
same because it's so 

1311
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,800
unrealistic. 
But, you know, let's go for it, 

1312
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,000
Humanity, morality whatever, 
where they give the two boats, a

1313
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,900
boat full of convicts like a 
button, it'll detonate a soluble

1314
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,000
God. 
What are the civilians of 

1315
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,600
button? 
That'll blow up the prisoners. 

1316
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,900
Yeah. 
And Humanity overwhelms them and

1317
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:05,000
they both just they Cast Away 
the. 

1318
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,300
Yes, the he did. 
And that's the same thing. 

1319
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:11,100
He tries to make actually what 
he did in the final epic 

1320
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:15,300
miniseries. 
So the show really, he's asking 

1321
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:17,600
the question, do you still trust
people? 

1322
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:19,200
After all that you've been 
through? 

1323
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,300
Do you still believe in the 
inherent good of humanity and 

1324
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,700
just like dark night? 
The villain is proven wrong. 

1325
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:31,100
Yeah, you know, everybody steps 
over on one person, who looks 

1326
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:32,800
like, they go away, they get a 
cop. 

1327
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:38,300
They save his life and we still 
don't know if the old guy was 

1328
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:40,400
actually alive to see it like 
that. 

1329
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,400
Part is left ambiguous. 
Us again says like no, you saw 

1330
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,000
it and that's why you're dead. 
I hope. 

1331
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,600
Yeah. 
He's like yeah, you lost. 

1332
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:54,600
Yeah, he bet his life on this 
thing, which didn't quite factor

1333
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,500
in the same way that the squid 
game does because he was already

1334
01:17:57,500 --> 01:18:01,500
on his deathbed. 
But yeah, he basically says that

1335
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:05,100
the rich developed squid game 
because they were bored and 

1336
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,500
wanted to have some little money
or too much, you get. 

1337
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:11,200
Miserable is their whole idea 
and it's like the thing. 

1338
01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:15,900
That they played it that way 
because they kind of took an old

1339
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,800
Trope and they put it on its 
head, in the mind of this old 

1340
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,400
person. 
Like, all of this makes perfect 

1341
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,000
sense, right? 
And and he's handing it down to 

1342
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,900
gion like the way a grandparent 
would hand it down to their 

1343
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:31,200
grandchild. 
Like, you know you know when you

1344
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,800
have too much money it just gets
really hard and I want to thank 

1345
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,100
you because you know, without an
ounce of cynicism, you showed me

1346
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:40,700
what it was like to have fun and
he's like, everyone I know is 

1347
01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:43,000
dead. 
All of these people are dead. 

1348
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,300
These very real. 
Yeah. 

1349
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:49,300
But you showed me how to have 
fun and you're still a good 

1350
01:18:49,300 --> 01:18:51,400
person. 
And it's like, that's not the 

1351
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,100
takeaway old man. 
Like all these people died. 

1352
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:59,300
He's so twisted and morbid. 
That he says he had this was the

1353
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:05,200
most fun that he'd ever had in 
in such a long time and that he 

1354
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,800
left you and Alive. 
Because he had fun playing with 

1355
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,600
him, and he doesn't even think 
him like Thanks, I'm in Earnest,

1356
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,100
like not even in spite of the 
people who died, not even in 

1357
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:18,400
spite of jian's experience. 
He like recognizes that they're 

1358
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,300
dead, but he also recognizes. 
But the important thing is that 

1359
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:26,200
you showed me how to have fun 
again, and I can't believe I got

1360
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,400
to get that before I died. 
Like we're supposed to be like, 

1361
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:32,400
oh well, I'm glad I, you know, 
your nieces, he had your whole 

1362
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,100
Make-a-Wish moment and you have 
like, you know what I mean? 

1363
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:37,700
Like right here. 
Like, and I was just like, this 

1364
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:40,600
isn't, this isn't a 
heartwarming, what's going on? 

1365
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:45,800
Like Yeah, my God, I hate that 
he almost insinuates that he 

1366
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,400
doesn't need squid game anymore 
to feel alive because there's 

1367
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,200
nothing like the experience of 
being in the game, right? 

1368
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,300
At this point, if he would have 
carried on, living forget it, 

1369
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:59,600
like he would have invented even
worse games so they would have a

1370
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,700
front row. 
It's and I think that plays back

1371
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:05,500
to being rich, right? 
It comes back to all those 

1372
01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:07,700
anecdotes. 
Oh well and you know I do I'm 

1373
01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:10,300
not meaning to get political but
just in the general stories, you

1374
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:13,000
get of like that. 
Anecdote When I came to London, 

1375
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,700
I only had two things, a dream 
and fifty million pounds. 

1376
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:19,200
It comes back to that idea, 
right? 

1377
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,900
Like, oh, this nameless, Ultra 
billionaire, who owns. 

1378
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:26,500
The one of the biggest companies
in the world, you know, they 

1379
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:29,900
started off on the Lower East 
Side, all they had was an 

1380
01:20:29,900 --> 01:20:32,900
endorsement from their dad and 
their dad's friend of 30 million

1381
01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:34,200
dollars to go. 
Okay. 

1382
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,100
Like, they live in such a skewed
world and this old man and has 

1383
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:41,200
to like it's of course, he 
recognizes it as fun because for

1384
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,100
him. 
It is fun. 

1385
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:44,800
And there are no Stakes. 
No he's not gonna lose that 

1386
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,500
game. 
He is not going to die the 

1387
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:52,400
players or the the crew would 
sooner reveal. 

1388
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:57,400
The fact that he is not an 
average player than to let him 

1389
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,300
die. 
Hmm. 

1390
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,400
So there was no of course he had
fun. 

1391
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,000
There was no Stakes. 
Yeah of course. 

1392
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,400
Typical playground rich people 
stuff. 

1393
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,200
It's too much. 
Did you like that? 

1394
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,900
And I think I liked it. 
I think that that That I like, 

1395
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:16,500
first of all, I expected it. 
But I enjoyed this ending, you 

1396
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:17,400
know? 
I did too. 

1397
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:18,900
I did too. 
I like that. 

1398
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:24,300
It happened in the confines of I
think what I like the most about

1399
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:28,100
it is that it happened in the 
confines of a very quiet room 

1400
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:32,900
where it's only two of them. 
Like, it's a very interesting 

1401
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,300
Placid exchange between two 
people and I think that's what 

1402
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:41,100
really drove the point home. 
And they did that very well, 

1403
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,000
what I found, interesting what, 
yeah, that's what I found 

1404
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:49,400
interesting. 
Is that the old man was so rich 

1405
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:55,900
that he was placed in this This 
empty gigantic floor of a 

1406
01:21:55,900 --> 01:22:00,700
high-rise building with his 
hospital bed and his oxygen and 

1407
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:07,500
a front row seat to death. 
I mean, it was still very morbid

1408
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:14,800
and luxurious and yeah amazing. 
It's so well done. 

1409
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:18,400
It's so. 
So well done. 

1410
01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:21,000
Like he's just sitting up there 
kicking like oh, all right. 

1411
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,600
Yeah, this floor is mine. 
Maybe the buildings is like, who

1412
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,900
knows? 
Who knows what was the tower 

1413
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:29,700
called? 
It was a big company to. 

1414
01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:32,300
Oh, I can't give us a 
telecommunications company and 

1415
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:35,000
it's a real company in real life
which I found interesting. 

1416
01:22:35,900 --> 01:22:39,000
But we haven't talked about one 
major, dude, and it was the 

1417
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:45,200
suit, man, going. 
You going in with the subway 

1418
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:50,300
Algona? 
That was like with a little 

1419
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:51,300
card. 
Flipping game. 

1420
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:58,800
Yes. 
So, I don't I've seen a few 

1421
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,500
memes of this that I love like 
that. 

1422
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:04,300
I love. 
But the one that stands out is 

1423
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:08,400
squid game, if it happened in 
the Bronx, and it's a woman 

1424
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,000
sitting there with her, she's 
sitting there with him with a 

1425
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,500
pair of Tim's, you know, the 
whole train platform is empty, 

1426
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:16,800
she's sitting there with her, 
you know, her puffy jacket, 

1427
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,900
whatever. 
It's just like and the the same 

1428
01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:24,900
woman comes over in a suit, very
manicured, excuse me, stop. 

1429
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:26,700
No, I'm good. 
I'm good. 

1430
01:23:26,700 --> 01:23:29,600
I saw this one. 
Can I talk to you? 

1431
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:35,400
I said, get out of here. 
Do you want to play a game a 

1432
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,800
game? 
What do I look like saw? 

1433
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,000
No, I need a car. 
I need a mysterious man. 

1434
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,400
Yeah, that's excellent. 
The means and the spoofs are 

1435
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,700
hysterical. 
But what would you do if that 

1436
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:50,900
man approached you like, oh no, 
I would you like to play a game 

1437
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:55,900
with me Wyatt know? 
Absolutely not, we're not doing 

1438
01:23:55,900 --> 01:23:59,600
this. 
He's a he's a model for Ralph 

1439
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,500
Lauren right now. 
Well, God is doing great. 

1440
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:04,000
People are simple after this 
man. 

1441
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,900
Again, he's coffee prince Again,
cast goblet. 

1442
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,000
Yeah. 
The cotton, the casting of 

1443
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:19,100
gwangju I think, is part /, very
sharp orderly manner, only kind 

1444
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:22,400
of creepy. 
But disarming enough, where you 

1445
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,800
can kind of look past, It if 
you're desperate enough. 

1446
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:26,100
Yeah. 
Incredible. 

1447
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:29,400
And this is a reunions with him 
and the director because he's 

1448
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,200
the star of the movie, silenced.
Yeah. 

1449
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,000
In the director of this squid 
game wrote and directed that 

1450
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,100
movie. 
So it's almost like a Scorsese 

1451
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:41,400
type of thing happening. 
It's like a homecoming thing 

1452
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,600
working. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's a 

1453
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:50,000
fantastic Cameo. 
He had a fantastic area, he did 

1454
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,500
a great job with the parts. 
I love at least. 

1455
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:58,200
Make very again at the end of 
the movie, that little wave that

1456
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,800
terrifying Little Wave. 
Like, you're never gonna see me 

1457
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,000
again and even if you do, what 
are you gonna do? 

1458
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,900
Like so you mentioned the red 
hair. 

1459
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,500
I don't know what the hell is up
with that? 

1460
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:13,500
I don't to me that's the 
equivalent of that Trope when a 

1461
01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:17,100
woman in a movie goes to like a 
traumatic event and then chops 

1462
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:19,900
off all their hair and smears 
their lipstick and punches the 

1463
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:22,000
mirror. 
I guess that's what they were 

1464
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,800
going for I guess. 
But when he or I guess they were

1465
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,100
trying to go with, you know, 
fine. 

1466
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,100
He's feeling at the end of his 
rope, he doesn't care about 

1467
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:32,600
anything. 
Sure, give me the feminine. 

1468
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,900
Red hair cut, like, what the 
Marcille swoop and everything, 

1469
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:40,900
whatever it doesn't work for me.
It didn't work and I can fit the

1470
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:44,300
character Hilda. 
No, not at all, like maybe blue,

1471
01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:48,600
maybe purple, maybe like shave 
the head, like all the way back 

1472
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,500
or in. 
Yeah, I was thinking. 

1473
01:25:50,500 --> 01:25:52,900
Oh, maybe. 
He'll just be clean shaven with 

1474
01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:57,100
a Are here at the but no, he 
goes with. 

1475
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:02,900
It's not even a stylish. 
Red eye looks like such a young 

1476
01:26:02,900 --> 01:26:06,100
haircut on such an old. 
It looks like Kpop friend. 

1477
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,900
It's, yeah, it's Kpop. 
Revlon, red. 

1478
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:15,800
Just like boom. 
Like, and it didn't, I, I didn't

1479
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,300
like that because I could 
forgive so much about the end. 

1480
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:22,300
I could forgive the reveal that 
it was his brother because it 

1481
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:25,400
was a very big actor. 
Do you know the cop finds his oh

1482
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,400
the cop? 
Well yeah, the front I can 

1483
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,800
forgive the obvious player. 0 0,
1 is in, on it, I can forgive 

1484
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,900
that, I can forgive him adopting
the kid and having a whole 

1485
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,400
Keanu. 
Reeves, John Wick moment of 

1486
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,800
leaving the suitcase of cash. 
His, you know, his mother passed

1487
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,000
away. 
There's nothing left for him. 

1488
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,200
In this town, I'm getting my bag
and I'm leaving. 

1489
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,400
I can deal with all of that, 
right? 

1490
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,200
Find their cliches. 
To the wall. 

1491
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:00,300
But the red hair pulls me out of
all of that, like, I can't take 

1492
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:06,200
any of it seriously at all. 
And I resent that like, I still 

1493
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,900
love the show, but it's spoiled 
those moments where it's like, 

1494
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:13,400
oh my God. 
He's reuniting with the North 

1495
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,100
Korean girls brother like, oh my
God, he did right by her. 

1496
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:19,600
But then, you know, looks pretty
can't take that seriously 

1497
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,700
because he looks like a clown. 
He looks like a McDonald's is 

1498
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:28,500
just about Big fucking hat. 
It like, you know, if it doesn't

1499
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:33,800
work, it doesn't work for hey, 
he's like an about up up up his 

1500
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:37,500
way, back into the game. 
Yes. 

1501
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:39,700
So we definitely are going to 
have a season 2. 

1502
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:42,800
They, yeah, because he doesn't 
get on a plane to the u.s. to 

1503
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,300
see his daughter. 
He decides, he's going to 

1504
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:47,500
dismantle The Hunger Games from 
the inside. 

1505
01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:49,000
So we're going to have Catching 
Fire. 

1506
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:54,100
I'm next season and we only 
winners in the in the Squid 

1507
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:55,800
game. 
We're gonna play. 

1508
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:59,400
Yeah, I want to do something 
cheap and bring back. 

1509
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,800
Some of the Dead characters. 
I wait quit. 

1510
01:28:02,900 --> 01:28:04,600
I could see it could. 
No, see it. 

1511
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,600
I can see it. 
This is not there to reasons why

1512
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:09,400
they are not going to bring back
the same. 

1513
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,800
Are you sure like? 
Oh, they thought they burned me,

1514
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:17,200
but this cop is steeped in the 
nick of time and undid the 

1515
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,200
furnace because the timeline 
matches up with that, right? 

1516
01:28:20,900 --> 01:28:23,800
He could have just gone back in 
and like Shut it. 

1517
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,300
They it's a Korean drama people 
come back from bone marrow 

1518
01:28:27,300 --> 01:28:30,000
transplants. 
So they're gonna be fine. 

1519
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:32,700
Like I definitely think the only
person that we're going to see 

1520
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:35,900
come back from the dead is the 
cop. 

1521
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,900
The phone calls coming from the 
bottom of the trench. 

1522
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:47,400
It's gonna be as a phone call to
Darth Vader. 

1523
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,900
Is going to pick up the phone 
and Trace the call. 

1524
01:28:49,900 --> 01:28:52,300
It's coming from inside the 
room. 

1525
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:57,600
Okay, I think we're done. 
Or do you have anything else you

1526
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,700
want to say about squid game? 
Um, I'm trying to say, I think I

1527
01:29:01,700 --> 01:29:03,700
had a couple of stray 
observations. 

1528
01:29:03,700 --> 01:29:09,600
Okay, one of them was it was 
something that really unsettled 

1529
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:10,400
me. 
I wasn't the dog. 

1530
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,700
Oh nothing. 
Oh well, yeah, something that I 

1531
01:29:12,708 --> 01:29:16,300
found interesting, were the 
characters cheated on some of 

1532
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:20,300
the games and they just made it 
through like, ultimately, their 

1533
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:23,400
fate caught up with them, but 
I'm convinced that, you know, 

1534
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:24,700
No, they knew that they were 
cheating. 

1535
01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:28,500
Yeah, like there was no way that
they're using a lighter and a 

1536
01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:29,900
needle, and all this other 
stuff. 

1537
01:29:29,900 --> 01:29:33,600
Like they knew we didn't talk 
about the whole. 

1538
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:41,300
It was that organ ring 
resealing. 

1539
01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:42,900
Yeah. 
That threw me off the organ 

1540
01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:47,300
harvesting thing. 
Like the I guess we can call the

1541
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:50,800
moderators or the game Runners 
were like running their own. 

1542
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,500
Little side project selling 
organ to the Chinese. 

1543
01:29:54,500 --> 01:30:00,000
I don't, I mean, it's plausible 
but it was kind of such a red 

1544
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,500
herring of a motive and it took 
up almost an entire episode 

1545
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:06,100
because we thought oh they're 
being killed for this and its 

1546
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:09,100
really much simpler than that 
it's like no this is literally 

1547
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:13,600
just a chance to win. 
It was for the cops storyline 

1548
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,200
because they were like, oh there
was a dude in here that only had

1549
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:24,000
one kidney Yeah, and it's like 
he was like other who was that 

1550
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,700
that you killed and took their 
kidney so sauce. 

1551
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:30,700
Yeah, that whole thing was 
really gross. 

1552
01:30:32,300 --> 01:30:37,200
There was a moment that I really
loved and it was God. 

1553
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,800
It was when guess against kept 
introducing, the other guys. 

1554
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,000
So he was the one who went to 
this University and he's the 

1555
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,400
pride and joy of this town and 
this he basically went to 

1556
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,200
Harvard, right? 
Yeah. 

1557
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,700
So when he gets in a Indians 
face about like, oh, you know we

1558
01:30:52,700 --> 01:30:56,000
need to we all had a chance and 
we all did this and we all did I

1559
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,500
and Ian responds? 
It's like that's really 

1560
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:59,600
interesting. 
And you say all that and you say

1561
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,100
that you're the pride and joy of
this town and you're well-read 

1562
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:05,500
and educated but you're still in
here with the rest of us. 

1563
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,800
Mmm-hmm. 
I found that exchange to be 

1564
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,800
really powerful because he tells
the first time he ever heard 

1565
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,200
that in his life it's like yeah 
that all may be true but you're 

1566
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,900
still here right? 
Why are you still here? 

1567
01:31:16,900 --> 01:31:18,100
Owe me? 
You got out. 

1568
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:22,600
Yeah you're so much better than 
the rest of us and yet you know 

1569
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,900
like it's I thought that was 
interesting. 

1570
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:31,300
I thought the show just has so 
much to say and every time you 

1571
01:31:31,300 --> 01:31:34,700
like re watch an episode or if 
you like you're gonna catch 

1572
01:31:34,700 --> 01:31:36,400
something each time like I 
planned. 

1573
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:38,900
Re-watching, this really soon. 
Oh, yeah. 

1574
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:44,100
But I, I just, I don't know. 
I really liked it. 

1575
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:47,600
If it wasn't for the red hair, 
this show would be perfect. 

1576
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:52,700
But I really enjoyed it, Fred 
here. 

1577
01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:56,200
Okay, I had one stray 
observation, and it was on the 

1578
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:01,400
marbles gumbo episode that the 
alley set that they were on 

1579
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,400
looked identical to the reply 
1988 set. 

1580
01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:11,500
Where the entirety of reply 1988
takes place on like this Ally 

1581
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,300
of? 
Yeah, we're all these bi 

1582
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:18,500
characters, live and reply. 1988
is like a comfort drama for a 

1583
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:25,300
lot of people. 
It is so easy to watch and fun 

1584
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:30,000
and heartwarming, right? 
So, even the players when they 

1585
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:36,000
get out onto the alley set 
there, like I used to live on an

1586
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,800
ally. 
Like this insole and it was so 

1587
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:43,500
much fun and we used to play and
they were having the Reminiscing

1588
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,700
on their time as children living
in this kind of neighborhood. 

1589
01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:52,200
Yeah, and again it's turned on 
its on its head because they 

1590
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:56,900
they start dying in the streets 
and the sky is like this 

1591
01:32:56,900 --> 01:33:00,800
horrifyingly a million shade 
like where it looks like. 

1592
01:33:01,300 --> 01:33:03,900
It looks like a thunderstorm 
just passed but the sun's going 

1593
01:33:03,900 --> 01:33:07,100
down like it's an ugly. 
Big red. 

1594
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:12,700
Oh, what about this? 
Other chick, the, the girl was 

1595
01:33:12,700 --> 01:33:15,400
her name. 
She only she was really only in 

1596
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,900
like two episodes. 
The one we took method. 

1597
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,500
Yes. 
The girl that pairs off with the

1598
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:23,500
North Korean for the marbles. 
Yes. 

1599
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,300
Yes. 
Okay. 

1600
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:27,100
Yes. 
That that girl is pretty chill. 

1601
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:29,900
That was Rachel. 
The fact that she just like 

1602
01:33:29,900 --> 01:33:33,700
basically sacrificed herself 
that was very emotional for me. 

1603
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:38,700
That was her and Ali In that 
episode basically wrecked me. 

1604
01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:41,200
Oh yeah. 
When they're like, what are you 

1605
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,500
doing throughout Lake? 
The North Korean goes like, what

1606
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:45,500
are you doing? 
Throw the marble and she's like,

1607
01:33:45,700 --> 01:33:48,000
you kept asking me? 
What am I going to do? 

1608
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,700
When I get out of here? 
And I've been thinking about 

1609
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:53,800
that for the last 40 minutes and
nothing comes to mind, got 

1610
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,200
nothing to live for and the 
North Korean girl, gets like mad

1611
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,000
at her, just like really angry 
because it's like, no, you're 

1612
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,400
basically making me kill you. 
She's like, that's it. 

1613
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,000
The game is over. 
Like he won. 

1614
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:10,800
It's like, no, no, no. 
Maybe they do make it for Jeju 

1615
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,400
Island. 
I hope that they pull something 

1616
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,500
like this. 
Whole dying thing just wasn't 

1617
01:34:15,500 --> 01:34:18,400
working for me. 
Like, is he really a feel for 

1618
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,200
the characters? 
You want them to live but I 

1619
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:23,900
don't know how they're going to 
do it in the next one. 

1620
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:31,600
Like cuz this cast was really 
good, like really good but I 

1621
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,600
want to know who's running the 
games. 

1622
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,700
Now that the old man is the 
Creator's. 

1623
01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:37,500
Dad, he's gone, right? 
Yeah. 

1624
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:40,800
So He said come to the brain 
tumor. 

1625
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:43,900
Wow! 
You think it was left to the 

1626
01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:47,100
2015 event comes back. 
Do you think it was left to the 

1627
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:49,600
front man? 
I think so. 

1628
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,300
Is he Charlie? 
Was he is. 

1629
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,600
Oh my gosh. 
I was so right. 

1630
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,400
The 2015 winner was Charlie and 
he inherited the Chocolate 

1631
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,000
Factory. 
Xtq keep saying Willy Wonka and 

1632
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,500
now in the next movie I want a 
lump has, like I wait, Korean 

1633
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,600
Oompa-Loompa sequence. 
A Blank Range, just dragging 

1634
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,800
them away. 
Okay. 

1635
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,100
That was, that was what I 
thought happened to the very 

1636
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:18,700
spunky girl, like when they 
were, she's like, no, I need my 

1637
01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:22,000
partner, I need my heart, we 
should have known, she wasn't 

1638
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000
dead when we didn't hear a 
gunshot or something, but 

1639
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,500
whatever, it's fine. 
Yeah, water under the bridge. 

1640
01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:30,500
All right. 
So, thank you so much for 

1641
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,900
welcoming us going on this 
journey with me. 

1642
01:35:33,300 --> 01:35:37,000
Talking about squid game ago. 
This was so much fun, and I'm 

1643
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,400
glad we got it off our chests. 
I was looking Forward to this 

1644
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,900
episode because I had so many 
thoughts that I had to get down 

1645
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,100
and I didn't want to write them,
I just wanted to talk. 

1646
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,000
Yes, I'm racing with you. 
I had a great time. 

1647
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,200
The show was amazing. 
Like I haven't talked about this

1648
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,500
with anybody yet, so yes. 
Thank you. 

1649
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,600
Yeah, it was this was like a 
venting at. 

1650
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,300
This is a very long episode but 
this was a venting process and I

1651
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:06,500
do want to thank all of our 
listeners for sticking with us 

1652
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:09,600
for this very long episode. 
And if you have Any thoughts 

1653
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,600
whatsoever about squid game? 
Please reach out on social media

1654
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,600
were on Twitter and Instagram at
ATC debauch pod if you send us 

1655
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,600
something and it's directed 
toward Miguel, just let me know.

1656
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:26,000
And I'll make sure he sees it 
because he would be so happy to 

1657
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,900
interact with you guys as well. 
I am sure, I'll be back if you 

1658
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:32,000
have me. 
Yeah, of course, of course. 

1659
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,700
We'll have you. 
You're like my original kdrama, 

1660
01:36:34,700 --> 01:36:36,400
buddy. 
Uh, of course. 

1661
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,600
I'll have you back. 
So yeah. 

1662
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,100
Again, if this is your first 
time listening, thank you so 

1663
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:43,500
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1664
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:45,900
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1665
01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:48,200
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1666
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:50,900
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1667
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:53,100
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1668
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:56,400
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1669
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,000
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1670
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,400
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1671
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,400
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Alright, I think that's it. 

1672
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,000
I think that's all we have for 
you. 

1673
01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:08,700
Are we doing the surgery bottle 
thing or oh my God? 

1674
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,400
You're right. 
I totally forgot. 

1675
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,900
I just hum again. 
Ascended, I'm gonna go to the 

1676
01:37:12,907 --> 01:37:16,100
bottom war soldier, but I would 
give it 4 as well. 

1677
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:20,700
Are we gonna for that last one? 
I drank after Ali and the North 

1678
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:24,500
Korean girl were taken away, so 
it's not even their fault. 

1679
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,100
Yeah. 
Pour it out half of that. 

1680
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:30,000
Last one for them and then I 
threw the rest of it when I saw 

1681
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,400
the red hair like, okay, okay, 
that has been our show. 

1682
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:40,200
I am Jessica and this has been 
the Always know, always the 

1683
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,400
critic presents, their Buck a 
Rambles podcast. 

1684
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:44,600
Thanks, guys.