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I'm Jessica and this is Tiba K 
Rambles, where a couple of 

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friends review Korean dramas and
we're back for another season 6 

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episode. 
We're going to review Pachinko 

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Season 2. 
For this episode, I'm joined by 

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Caitlin from No Sleeper Dramas 
Podcast. 

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Hello Caitlin, how are you doing
today? 

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I'm good, I'm good. 
I'm very excited to talk about 

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Season 2. 
Because this ended up on the 

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Drama Trio wrap up episode on 
Tea and Soju podcast that we 

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did, this was tied with your 
number one drama of 2024. 

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And ironically, both of my 
number ones were American 

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produced dramas. 
Yeah, your typical Korean 

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produced or whatever produced, 
but yes, this was tied with #1. 

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So I was like, Caitlin, we got 
to get together, we got to do a 

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review on Season 2 of Pachinko 
because I did a review on Season

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1-2, well, three years ago now, 
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And I remember immediately I 
pressed publish on that and then

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I went on a vacation. 
So that's how I remember my 

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podcast episodes. 
I was like, oh, that came out 

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before this vacation. 
You can see I really love taking

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my PTO. 
But so that episode featured the

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ladies over on Crash Landed on K
dramas and they so graciously 

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joined me for that episode. 
It was really chaotic. 

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I was the only one who had not 
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them had read the book. 
And so they had a very unique 

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different perspective than I 
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And on this go around, I was 
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it because I know that you loved
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Absolutely. 
I know that you loved it and you

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probably have a lot to say. 
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about Pachenko. 
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So I did not binge this but I 
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I binged it. 
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All right, Are you ready? 
Are you? 

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Are you sat? 
Yeah. 

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Caitlin Yeah, I'm ready. 
I'm ready. 

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Bet. 
So here is the Google Wikipedia 

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synopsis that I edited down two 
years ago for Pachinko. 

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It is basically the same 
synopsis all right, it's just a 

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continuation of the story, but 
here it is. 

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Based on the New York Times best
selling novel of the same name 

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by author and journalist Min Jin
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Pachinko is an American TV 
drama, a sweeping saga that 

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chronicles the hopes and dreams 
of a Korean immigrant family 

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across 4 generations as they 
leave their homeland in an 

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indomitable quest to survive and
thrive. 

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Season 2 aired last year, 2024 
from August to October. 

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Season 1 aired from March to 
April 2022 and both seasons or 

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each of the seasons is 8 
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The directors for this season 
are Leanne Wellam, Arvin Chen 

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and E Sangeel. 
They have each directed about 3 

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episodes. 
Leanne directed the 1st 2:00, 

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Arvind directed the next 3345 
and Sangiel directed 6-7 and 

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eight. 
The showrunner saw series 

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creator is Suhyu. 
She has been a writer for The 

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Killing and she wrote Pachinko 
season 2 along with eight other 

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people per the IMDb. 
You can tell this was a writer's

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room. 
The starring cast we have a lot 

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of returning actors. 
Kim Minha plays Sunja, Imanno 

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plays Hansu, Yunya Jung plays 
Sunja, the older Sunja, and Gina

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plays Peck Solomon. 
There's a lot of cast members in

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there in here. 
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there's a 1945 cast, and there's
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roster that it would take us 
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everybody and what they've done 
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So did you recognize anybody 
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to talk about anybody in 
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I think I heard that you're a 
Lehman Ho fan. 

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Of course, I mean, yeah, there's
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whether you're a like, obviously
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you're going to recognize a lot 
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people. 
I mean, they pulled everybody in

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pretty much, old and small. 
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children, you would recognize, 
the actors you play like sister 

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in 
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she's been around forever, like 
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I mean, she was. 
Did she? 

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I think she won the Oscar from 
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She yeah, I was about to say, I 
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pretty sure she won the Oscar 
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big accomplishment within 
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So yeah, I mean, I I definitely 
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from watching K dramas. 
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So why? 
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So why I did not know her before
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of Emmys and stuff for that and 
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Absolutely. 
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for this show as well. 
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Shogun and Bachenko. 
I know she's done another movie 

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on Apple TV that I really want 
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want to watch. 
The monster one I can't remember

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the name of. 
Godzilla. 

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It's a Godzilla thing, right? 
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something like that. 
I really want to watch that. 

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So she's in that. 
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Kingdom, for example, the the 
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You got Jung UN Che who's been 
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Ho in King Eternal Monarch. 
I'm sorry, the guy. 

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I did not mean to laugh. 
Just straight up like King 

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Eternal monarch. 
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No. 
Yeah, you. 

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Got no no song Hyun, the guy who
plays he was in the Love and the

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big City movie today or this 
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Past year keeping good yeah he 
he's doing making the rounds and

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I really like No Song Hyun. 
Yeah, me too. 

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He. 
Plays pick Issac or Isaac. 

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I guess is the equivalent 
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really heartbreaking. 
He's such a heartbreaking figure

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in this show and I called him 
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review. 
I mean, you're not lying, no. 

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No, it's just like all came 
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on episode 1. 
I was like, where's Reverend 

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Hottie? 
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The last person I'll point out 
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Noah as a teenager or as a 
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He is pill Goo from When the 
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And I was like, Oh my God, it's 
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Tell me why I he will never 
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he did when the Camellia Blooms.
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my God, I'm getting old. 
I'm ancient because pill goo is 

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grown. 
It was hard, all right? 

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So I think the only fun fact 
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leftover from Season 1 is, 
according to The Hollywood 

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Reporter, the show has a budget 
comparable to The Crown, which 

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reportedly cost a hefty $13 
million per episode. 

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I suspect it's that same budget 
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Season, yeah. 
It's, you know, prestige 

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television. 
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you can watch it on, and that's 
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It's an original Apple TV Plus 
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Caitlin, what'd you think? 
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Oh, I absolutely loved it. 
The 55 Soulju bottles, Like I, I

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literally had, I mean, I had 
little qualms with it, mostly 

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because I haven't read the book.
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expect. 
I didn't know what was going to 

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happen. 
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my qualms weren't necessarily 
with the acting or the story. 

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It was more of, God, this 
character made a horrible 

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decision, but it's what happened
apparently in the book, or I 

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mean, they did take liberties, 
but it wasn't necessarily 

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anything to do with the show, 
you know what I mean? 

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It was. 
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So I absolutely loved it. 
I mean, when I when Season 1 

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aired, that was my top show of 
the year as well. 

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So it made perfect sense. 
Why Pachinko Season 2 was my top

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show of 2024, along with Shogun,
if anybody was wondering what it

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was tied with. 
So I Yeah, And that's why like, 

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literally was my girl in 2024. 
But yeah, I I loved it just as 

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much as I did in season 1. 
I really actually was afraid I 

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wasn't going to like it as much 
as Season 1 because you know, 

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you always have those like 
worries of season twos might not

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be like there's a term for that,
you know, where the season twos 

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don't live up to season ones. 
And I can't remember what it's 

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But I was worried about that. 

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And I don't know why I was 
worried, because I had nothing 

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to worry about. 
Yeah, there's a pervasive curse 

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on season twos on multi season, 
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Which historically have been 
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here in the US. 
You get a certain number of 

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episodes, it's a full story arc,
and then that's it, you're done.

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You'll see these actors in their
next drama and you don't return 

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to the same story, the same 
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Pachinko is the ideal Season 2 
because it had source material, 

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it was based on the book, and 
Season 1 did not cover the full 

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extent of what happens in the 
book. 

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So there's going to be more 
story to cover. 

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It's not like they're the season
was a success runaway success 

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and they green lit a season 2 
when there is no source material

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to back up the plot or the 
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So I was not mad that Pachinko 
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like OK Lord of the rings 2 
towers. 

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It's continuation of the story, 
like not done. 

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So I was excited to come back to
this. 

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I wanted to watch this earlier 
in 2024 and didn't get around to

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it. 
Then the holidays rolled around.

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What who's going to watch 
anything around Christmas to New

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Year's? 
And I really, really liked this 

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show. 
I, I thought it was another 

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excellent pachinko season and I 
loved the actors. 

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I, I didn't realize that I had 
missed them and miss these 

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characters and this type of 
storytelling until I press play 

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and I was like, I just like sink
into my chair, you know what I'm

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saying? 
Like it was sort of comforting. 

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This level of prestige 
television. 

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We do get it quite a bit here in
the US, but because we're often 

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watching K dramas, J dramas, 
Chinese dramas, we this type of 

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storytelling really appeals to 
the Western audience, right? 

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And it's sure it's made by Apple
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Plus it's got a lot of Western 
talent behind or, or even mixed 

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talent, right? 
You know, Asian American talent 

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behind the camera. 
I thought this show was 

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devastating. 
Like, everything about it is 

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just going to push you to think.
And you know, we're products of 

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the Western education system. 
And so the US is like the hero 

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in every story. 
And of course, every country is 

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going to do the same thing and 
tell history from their 

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perspective. 
That's granted. 

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I'm not saying the US is unique 
in any way by doing that. 

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Right. 
But to see World War 2 from this

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lens was very impactful. 
It was very moving. 

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Oh yeah. 
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And I, I'll repeat what I said 
in Liliana's podcast when I was 

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explaining why I love this show.
I do not think any other country

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could have made the show. 
It would have, It would not have

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been the same. 
It would have been just maybe 

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just as a impactful if like 
Japan had made it or Korea had 

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made it, but it would not have 
told the same story. 

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Especially with the World War 2 
stuff, even like living the 

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future parts of this, because 
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generation thing. 
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older generations in the 80's, 
the present day, that type of 

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thing, that perspective of a 
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country I think is uniquely 
told. 

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But I think it can't be told the
same from a American perspective

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or Korean perspective or 
whatever. 

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Which I think is why I love this
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appreciate the story that is 
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Korean American or the Japanese 
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so much from that. 
Especially because it is a multi

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generation. 
So you do have that perspective 

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of Koreans living in Japan, vice
versa. 

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Yeah. 
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a Korean American living in 
Japan like that is uniquely an 

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American perspective that I 
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they made this show, would be 
able to capture because it's a 

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different way of thinking when 
you are Asian American moving or

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living in a foreign country. 
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about like the future 
generations. 

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Like obviously when it's World 
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Korean American. 
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don't think that same story 
would have been told in the same

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way if it was done by Japanese 
production company. 

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Oh well. 
So there's a whole conversation 

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that we're not having about how 
Japan is not going to 

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acknowledge the crimes that were
done. 

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I mean, not that the US is also 
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the Japanese government is 
really content to just not 

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address the atrocities that were
committed during wartime. 

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And that's really tough to 
reconcile with that in 2025 and 

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be like all the good things 
about the culture, but the bad 

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things, they just, they're like,
there are no bad things about 

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Japan. 
I don't even know if I'm making 

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any sense but like. 
You are, I mean to me you are. 

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OK. 
All right. 

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So the global gas lighting that 
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today makes me think that a 
production of this magnitude 

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would not be sincere coming from
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It probably wouldn't be made. 
Honestly, it probably wouldn't 

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be made in Japan at all. 
And there's some jabs to America

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in Season 2. 
Exactly, absolutely. 

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Like what? 
That's, I think that's what I 

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loved about this show is like 
they try to be as authentic as 

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possible, showing these 
generations on what they went 

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through and what they are 
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it's a present day thing too. 
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respect of trying to show the 
common person living in these 

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eras and these generations and 
what they're dealing with and 

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really showing that no matter 
the era, there is some 

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commonalities on what they're 
dealing with, with 

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discrimination or gender role or
that type of thing just centered

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around this one family growing 
up. 

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And I, I loved that about it. 
And again, I think that was 

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uniquely something America can 
do just from the melting pot 

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that America is and the rich 
Asian American history America 

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has both for the good and the 
bad, obviously, because America 

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does have, as you said, we are 
not angels at all. 

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And I fully, fully agree with 
that. 

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So I just think this story could
not have been told as beautiful 

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and as impactful as it has been 
from anybody else. 

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I think there's something very 
special about it and something 

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very impactful that I don't 
think would have had the same 

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impact anywhere else. 
You mentioned generational 

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trauma and this tying 
generations together right 

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between Sunja leaving her home 
in Korea to forge a new life in 

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Japan all the way to the 
present. 

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Like everything is 
interconnected. 

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And I love this running theme 
throughout the show of that each

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generation successively has it 
as as technology progresses and 

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economies progress and just the 
passage of time, each 

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generation, it doesn't have to 
go through what the previous 

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generation went through. 
But despite the older generation

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seemingly feeling like they have
it so easy, and yes, we do have 

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it super easy compared to 2040, 
sixty years ago, each generation

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has their struggles and it ties 
them together and binds them and

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makes them see each other 
differently and recontextualize 

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how they feel about what they're
going through. 

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And I think that's what that's a
main storyline. 

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And when it comes to some of the
future generation stories is 

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like some people are dealing 
with the fact that they are a 

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foreigner living in a country 
and they're trying to be more 

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Japanese or trying to be more 
like they don't like their home 

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culture. 
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coming back from America, I, I 
am white as can be. 

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So I obviously can't feel like 
this but I've heard stories of. 

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Asian Americans growing up 
hating that they're Korean or 

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hating that they're Japanese 
because of what they deal with 

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on a daily basis at school or 
work like discrimination stuff. 

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So it's interesting to see the 
complexity of that thought from 

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a like, I'm specifically talking
about Solomon. 

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Yeah, Solomon. 
I think in season 2 it didn't 

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show as much because he started 
kind of appreciating his 

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culture. 
But in season 1 he was really, 

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really troubled with him being a
Korean living in Japan and 

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wanting to be Japanese, but 
feeling guilty about that be 

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knowing or somewhat knowing. 
He learned more about the 

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history, but somewhat knowing 
the history between Japan and 

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Korea. 
I think that that was just 

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really impactful on the story. 
And I'm sure I'm, I'm, that's 

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what I've heard from other 
people who've watched the show 

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who are Asian American of like, 
that's my story. 

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That's my thing that I've had 
growing up, that I've had those 

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thoughts. 
I've had to deal with that. 

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Yeah, the racial discrimination 
aspect, which in the United 

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States, if you say racial 
discrimination like stop, drop 

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and roll, we see things in terms
of black and white over here in 

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large part. 
But to see who we perceive to be

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very similar cult like from the 
West, I'm like, oh, Japan and 

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Korea have a lot in common. 
And yes, that's due to their 

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history and their bad history of
colonization and occupation, 

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right? 
But they're very near to each 

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other and to me. 
Like you can boil it down to 

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some commonalities between the 
cultures, but to see them go 

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deeper and really showcase this 
racial discrimination in the 

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80s, just 40 years removed from 
the war and the proceeding war, 

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which was the Korean War, it's 
pretty harsh. 

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I, I feel like we're kind of 
tranquilized over here to this 

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nuanced struggle of racial 
discrimination and how it 

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appears in Japan. 
And you know, sometimes it's 

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overt, sometimes it's really 
subtle in this time period 

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again, which I love that they 
said it in the 80s and, and 

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sure, like you can do the math 
and be like, OK, the grandchild 

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of Sunjai should be of age 
around this time in the 80s. 

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But the 80s were such a like, I 
think of the 80s and I'm like, 

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what a prosperous time, right? 
Oh, absolutely. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
In Japan as well as America, 

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there was, it was economic boom.
Yeah, in both. 

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So I like that this Solomon 
character is difficult, right? 

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Like he is a yummy. 
Yeah, He wants to be successful 

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in the corporate world in real 
estate, and he's not. 

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Ethical right? 
Absolutely. 

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He's kind of unlikable. 
Yeah, Oh yeah, I mean, 

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especially in season 1. 
But yes, definitely he's he's a 

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weasel. 
Yeah, he's a weasel. 

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And then you're like, but I want
to like him because he is facing

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these insurmountable odds of 
trying to make it as a Korean in

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a Japanese business world. 
And then juxtaposing not with 

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what you see with his grandma's 
story, You're like, the weight 

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of history is weighing him down.
It's not on his side. 

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And so you just kind of feel a 
little helpless. 

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And I would say my one criticism
is that I personally, with my B 

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brain, had trouble figuring out 
who people were in the 80s in 

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that timeline. 
I was a little bit struggling 

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with who is Yoshi? 
And like, what does that person 

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do? 
Were they in Season 1? 

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And I didn't remember a lot of 
detail from Season 1. 

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So I was really struggling with 
the business side of what 

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Solomon was doing. 
Like I got the broad strikes, 

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but I was kind of like, Bo, who 
is this person? 

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Are they yakuza? 
I was like kind of lost a lot of

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the time. 
Yeah. 

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But overall, personally, the 
1940s were captivating. 

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Oh yeah, that part of the. 
Story. 

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Was so transporting and maybe 
it's because I like a period 

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piece and like the 80s is not. 
To me. 

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The 80s is not as much of A 
period piece as something said 

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in the 40s during World War 2. 
But yeah, I gravitated more 

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towards Sunja's story, where 
she's coming from as a mother 

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and these struggles, 
specifically being a mother and 

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being the main breadwinner and 
doing a lot of traditionally 

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masculine things like putting 
food on the table and paying 

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bills and paying off debt from 
male characters. 

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And she's got so much on her 
plate. 

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Solomon comes across as very 
ungrateful a lot of the time. 

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So these two characters I've 
gravitated more towards. 

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Sonja Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. 
I mean, I think this was part of

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the thing when it came to the 
generational trauma. 

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It was very clear Sonja did not 
talk about her past at all. 

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And so of course, he has no idea
for the most part what she went 

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through. 
So of course he's ungrateful. 

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Of course he has no idea. 
And I don't think he cares to 

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know. 
That's the thing. 

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I don't think he cares to know. 
And maybe he knew a little bit 

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in terms of like his education 
or something. 

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But again, he grew up in Japan. 
How much of an education from a 

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Korean perspective would that 
be? 

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You know, and we got a thing of 
that with some of the 1940s 

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education scenes with the kids. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I don't think he didn't 
have the knowledge to have 

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sympathy for. 
But I also, I don't think he 

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cared enough to have sympathy 
for that because he was, he was,

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he's very selfish. 
He's a selfish character. 

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He cares about me, myself and I 
and I think that a huge part of 

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this entire story is him 
connecting more with his Korean 

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culture and gaining some of that
sympathy. 

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But it, I mean, he still has a 
long way to go. 

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I mean in season 1 he had a lot 
of he made a lot of improvement,

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but in season 2 he still was his
selfish person and then he 

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learned more. 
To that end, I would say I also 

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like this running theme of 
revenge. 

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And do you forgive someone who 
wronged you even though they 

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don't deserve it? 
I mean, they haven't asked for 

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forgiveness, right? 
Or even if they have, why would 

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you grant them that forgiveness 
so easily without kind of like 

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making them work for? 
But that's a whole concept. 

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That's a whole thing of 
forgiveness. 

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It's not going to make sense 
juxtaposing that with Solomon, 

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who is actively going for 
revenge. 

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Yeah, I mean, he got fired, and 
now he wants to stick it to the 

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man. 
And he goes about it in a very 

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weaselly way until his 
grandmother steps in. 

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And this is like, dude, you're 
Korean. 

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You have to think about this a 
little. 

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Which, I mean, he still gets his
revenge. 

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He's still. 
He's still, in a way. 

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I've always supported revenge 
revenge stories. 

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I love them, I think they're 
incredibly entertaining. 

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But this really convicts you as 
a person who is supportive of 

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revenge. 
Yeah. 

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Because the what is the benefit 
to the person exacting the 

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revenge? 
Like it's very corrosive to that

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person, to their spirit, to 
their moral code. 

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To their life. 
I mean, he, he, he lost 

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everything in the name of 
revenge. 

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And yeah, you have to think, was
it worth it? 

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Is it worth it? 
Exactly. 

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Is it worth? 
It to do all this for hate the 

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older generation and especially 
Issac that character Reverend 

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Hottie. 
That lesson that he teaches them

449
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early on in the show is 
consequential. 

450
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,920
And, you know, it was kind of 
flagrant, like, right, Right in 

451
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
your face. 
Like, it's very remarkable. 

452
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,200
And it's foreshadowing, right? 
Like what? 

453
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,080
What choices will future 
generations make? 

454
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Did he sow that seed on fertile 
ground? 

455
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Right. 
Are the kids going to really 

456
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,720
take that to heart? 
Yeah. 

457
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,720
So just gifted storytelling 
throughout. 

458
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Absolutely. 
I I did not read the book even 

459
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120
in the two years since season 1 
came out. 

460
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,440
Same. 
Sorry. 

461
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,440
Sorry, but before we go into the
spoiler section I want to say 

462
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:06,120
like we are appraising this 
based on the show, what we saw 

463
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,800
on screen and how it made us 
feel and react. 

464
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000
And really the book has not at 
this point. 

465
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,880
This is a totally different 
text. 

466
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Oh yeah, yeah. 
And I know that the Season 1 

467
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,200
review that I did on the Tebuc 
feed, all of my guests had read 

468
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,640
the book and they had different 
things to say, had different 

469
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240
complaints about the show. 
And that's fine. 

470
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,520
That's not our perspective. 
Absolutely. 

471
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Yeah. 
You know, I think we can 

472
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,520
evaluate the show based on what 
what we saw on screen, what was 

473
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,920
delivered to us and not based 
on, oh, but the book was this. 

474
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Oh, but in the book, it was like
this. 

475
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Oh, I didn't like because the 
book was. 

476
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,640
We're not doing that in this 
Season 2 review, so just want to

477
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,280
manage expectations here. 
If you read the book and you 

478
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,600
want to hear someone's 
perspective, there's certainly 

479
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,200
got to be a podcast out there 
for you. 

480
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,680
This Season 2 review is not it. 
So that being said, is there 

481
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,200
anything else you want to say in
the non spoiler section before 

482
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,560
we give our soju bottle ratings 
and move to the spoiler section?

483
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760
No, I'm good even though I 
already gave my soulju. 

484
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,280
OK, yeah, five. 
OK, mine I'll give. 

485
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,920
I'll give 4/4 and 1/2 only 
because again, I was a little 

486
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,040
bit lost in the 80s with the 
business aspect and what was 

487
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,400
going on and who some of these 
characters are. 

488
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000
I like couldn't keep it straight
in my head. 

489
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400
And it might have something to 
do with they have different 

490
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,080
names, like multiple names I 
should say. 

491
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,640
And that was throwing me. 
And I also thought even though 

492
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,800
the cinematography is beautiful,
I love it. 

493
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,560
I thought it was too low light, 
which is similar to season 1. 

494
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,360
The aesthetic is just carried 
through. 

495
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,480
But I still thought it was too 
dark in a lot of places. 

496
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,000
So I lighted up a little more. 
Like personally, again, this is 

497
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,840
all personal. 
This is all subjective. 

498
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,040
But those are my couple of 
nitpicks. 

499
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,520
And then we can get into the 
spoiler section right after 

500
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,640
this. 
Excuse me, Bora, Go. 

501
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,480
I can't tell. 
I can't tell you know. 

502
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,240
I have no Jingle. 
Oh, sorry. 

503
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Swear discussing shots. 
What? 

504
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
All right, we're on the other 
side of spoilers, so we're going

505
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,000
to spoil what happens in Season 
2 of Pachinko. 

506
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,760
I think I want to start just in 
episode 1 because they hit you 

507
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,920
upside the head with it's World 
War 2 and the text is shown on 

508
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240
screen as being World War 2 in 
English. 

509
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320
And then underneath they have 
the Korean and Japanese 

510
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,600
translation cycling through. 
But I thought it was intentional

511
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,920
that they kept the English on 
screen towering over the other 

512
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,920
languages. 
The other translations I don't 

513
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,640
know. 
I found it very poetic because 

514
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,800
of the US planes flying overhead
and how the US ended the war 

515
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,480
with controversial but a strong 
response. 

516
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,680
The A bombs and it's towering 
over the Koreans and Japanese. 

517
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,960
That to me was them saying that 
even just in the text that 

518
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,800
America is going to like tower 
over these two nations. 

519
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,040
And I thought just from the 
gecko I was like, well here we 

520
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,800
go. 
Like great poetic side of cars 

521
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,520
and stuff. 
I love how we see more 

522
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800
differences between the two 
brothers. 

523
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,840
Yeah, definitely. 
Yeah, yeah. 

524
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640
So these two and this is also in
the 40s, right? 

525
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,280
You see them in school and 
they're getting bullied and the 

526
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,400
younger one was last two is 
audacious and proud to be Korean

527
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600
and he's explaining to the class
why he's eating what he's 

528
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,840
eating, his stinky food quote UN
quote. 

529
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:57,600
And Esac is more passive, more 
non confrontational, preferring 

530
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760
to ignore the haters who accuse 
him of living with pigs. 

531
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,320
I'm sorry Noah. 
I mean Noah Esac is not a Noah. 

532
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,760
So it's Noah and Musasha already
getting it wrong. 

533
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,440
You see, there's too many names.
Noah is talking to the teacher. 

534
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,360
The teacher says anger comes 
from feeling so powerless here. 

535
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,240
And basically the best way to 
not be bullied is to not be 

536
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320
Korean, even if only in his 
imagination. 

537
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,280
And I was like, that's a wild 
thing to say. 

538
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Like, he's just like, you're 
always going to be bullied. 

539
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,400
You're always going to be lesser
because of who you are. 

540
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,600
Your entire identity is at odds 
and the people here feel 

541
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
powerless, so they're going to 
take it out on someone who's 

542
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,160
less fortunate that they are. 
Yeah, and with the oncoming war,

543
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,760
that's just going to get worse. 
Yeah. 

544
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,600
I loved his relationship with 
his teacher. 

545
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,880
I mean that reveal was very 
impactful. 

546
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,040
I don't think it happened in 
episode 1 but like the reveal of

547
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,720
the the storyline a lot in 
season 2 for Noah was him kind 

548
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,600
of in parallel with Solomon from
season 1 is dealing with the 

549
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,239
fact that he's Korean living in 
Japan. 

550
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,400
Obviously a different era, 
whatever, but the relationship 

551
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,199
he has with his teacher given 
the reveal that his teacher is 

552
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:23,800
also Korean, but you wouldn't 
know because his teacher changed

553
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,120
his name and basically changed 
his entire demeanor in a way. 

554
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,840
I think that reveal was very 
impactful on Noah, which caused 

555
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,760
the rest of his storyline in 
season 2, which broke my heart a

556
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,120
lot. 
Yeah, the only way you're going 

557
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
to get a leg up is if you 
pretend to be Japanese. 

558
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,360
You deny yourself. 
Right. 

559
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,639
And I think he's, as you said, 
like he's very different from 

560
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:54,320
his brother, where his brother 
obviously is getting bullied and

561
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,720
understands to an extent what 
that means and why they're 

562
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,720
getting bullied. 
But he is still a kid. 

563
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,320
He's still, I mean, he Noah is 
so much older than him. 

564
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,760
So I think Noah is a dealing it 
with it longer than him 

565
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,320
obviously in this World War Two 
time period, but BI think he's 

566
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,440
just not. 
He still has that like innocence

567
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,680
about him of being a kid and 
still dealing with it, which 

568
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Noah obviously doesn't have any 
more. 

569
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,160
They obviously deal with the 
bullying in a different way. 

570
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,280
And you can see how much each 
generation and even between the 

571
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,640
brothers who do have a large age
gap between them and what is 

572
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
that like 5-6 years or something
between them. 

573
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,720
Something like that, yeah. 
How they successively get more 

574
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,240
shielded? 
Right. 

575
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,480
From the real big picture and 
the negativity surrounding their

576
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,080
identity and their their race 
right? 

577
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,360
And even just between them like 
right the younger 1 is like I 

578
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,560
don't give a shit I am Korean 
and what of it doesn't really 

579
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,000
grasp how pervasive and embedded
this discrimination is, this 

580
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,720
hatred is. 
Or even how if you meet the 

581
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,960
wrong person you can get killed 
for just being Korean. 

582
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Like it? 
I don't think it has hit him 

583
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,080
hard enough or he understands 
the magnitude of the hate of 

584
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,040
being Korean in Japan at that 
time specifically. 

585
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,400
And you shouldn't have like he's
a kid. 

586
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,240
Like that's not something a kid 
should have to understand. 

587
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,800
And I think also with Noah, it 
to an extent Noah because of 

588
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,440
his, the what was your nickname,
Reverend? 

589
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,160
Hottie. 
I think also the fact that 

590
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Reverend Hottie has been gone 
for six years now, maybe I think

591
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,560
it's like 6 years. 
He's had to grow up, he's had to

592
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,000
raise his family. 
He's had to become like, to an 

593
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,280
extent, the man of his household
in a way. 

594
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:04,800
And I think that has also caused
him to grow up sooner than he 

595
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,320
should have and made him realize
society as it is, which I'm sure

596
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,360
Sunja did not want him to do. 
Like she wanted to shield them 

597
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,360
from the atrocities of being 
Korean in Japan because she's 

598
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,640
dealt with it. 
Yeah, you mentioned something 

599
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,880
about him being the eldest and 
having all this responsibility. 

600
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,320
That's also a through line 
throughout the story that the 

601
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,400
eldest has all of these 
expectations and the 

602
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,040
responsibility of caring for the
family, and he gets preferential

603
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,600
treatment for even just them 
serving. 

604
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Who's gets served first at the 
dinner table? 

605
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,960
It's Noah. 
Yeah. 

606
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,360
And the little boy was actually 
like, he definitely picks up on 

607
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,400
that. 
Yeah. 

608
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,760
He picks up on the fact that 
they're not treated the same, 

609
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,640
right? 
It is like a little on a global 

610
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,560
scale. 
Younger siblings don't have the 

611
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,160
same experience as elder 
siblings. 

612
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,800
And there's always that joke of 
like, you know, the little 

613
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,440
brother, the youngest, they are 
coddled. 

614
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,160
That is here, too. 
Like, that's part of the whole 

615
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,680
dynamic as well is that he's 
just younger. 

616
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,200
He's the baby of the family. 
He's going to get more 

617
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,240
privileges than the elder. 
Right. 

618
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
Yeah. 
So I love the cultural subtext 

619
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,680
that they keep calling attention
to It is that the elder 

620
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,280
culturally is the caretaker of 
the family. 

621
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,880
They're the ones that have to 
keep this thing going. 

622
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,560
And the younger 1 does not have 
that same responsibility of 

623
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,000
being the man of the House of 
taking care of mom in her old 

624
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,560
age and so on and so forth. 
It is a a yoke that he has. 

625
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:57,080
And he is so responsible and 
sensitive and feeling no way is 

626
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,640
was actually this, you know, 
free spirit and more aggressive 

627
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,760
and fun loving. 
And he's just very simple and 

628
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,960
innocent. 
And yes, he's coddled, yes, he's

629
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,840
shielded and they just keep it 
going like throughout the show 

630
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,640
and into when he's a teenager. 
Like he still doesn't have the 

631
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,280
same demands as Noah. 
Well, and I think I think that 

632
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,000
responsibility might have been 
on Noah again, things happen 

633
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,920
where it's like if World War 2 
never happened, maybe it would 

634
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,400
have been different. 
If their father figure hadn't 

635
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,000
been sent to prison, maybe it 
would have been different. 

636
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,000
Like, there's so many 
circumstances that happened 

637
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,040
between Season 1 and Season 2 
that could have changed the 

638
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,800
trajectory of his life, which 
makes it like even more sad in 

639
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,800
terms of his life. 
But also like Sonja's family in 

640
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,440
general. 
If you think about it, if one 

641
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,240
thing hadn't happened, this 
thing wouldn't have happened, 

642
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,600
you know, And it would have it 
for the better or worth, you 

643
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,080
know, like if something worse 
would have come along if World 

644
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,400
War 2 didn't happen or something
and affected her family, you 

645
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,400
know? 
And I think that that makes it 

646
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,240
even more sad, is like it, the 
combination of things that have 

647
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,160
happened in this family's life 
through the generations. 

648
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,960
While impactful, I mean this 
family's story is overall a sad 

649
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,320
story like especially the 
historical parts of it. 

650
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,320
It was not a fun time for them 
living in Japan between World 

651
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,840
War 2, the aftermath of World 
War 2, her life in season 1 and 

652
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,080
becoming pregnant without 
getting married. 

653
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Like the the impact of that on 
her life. 

654
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,000
Yeah, the scandal. 
Sonja's life has been extremely 

655
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,960
hard, and that is a thorough 
line throughout the generations.

656
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,520
Yeah. 
Is that? 

657
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,960
She that's something she kind of
without knowing it, without 

658
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,120
wanting to, she passes that on. 
Right, exactly. 

659
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,880
So let's talk about Lehman Hoe 
because we get a lot more of him

660
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,760
in Season 2 then did in season 
1. 

661
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,600
I feel he's basically like an 
arms dealer. 

662
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,000
His father-in-law is the head of
the Yakuza. 

663
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
I don't even know, like it's 
really not spelled out in the 

664
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,640
show exactly who the 
father-in-law is. 

665
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640
But to me, he's. 
Definitely Yakuza. 

666
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,280
He's definitely right. 
I don't think he runs the entire

667
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Yakuza, but like he's definitely
a prominent figure in Yakuza. 

668
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800
OK, that's what I thought. 
That's that's what I gathered. 

669
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Because Lehman Hill is over 
here. 

670
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,080
He's like an arms dealer or 
something. 

671
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,840
He's supplying minerals and and 
metals to the Japanese 

672
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,520
government so that they can make
arms for the war effort. 

673
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,960
And he's got a reputation for 
being vicious. 

674
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,200
And look, I I don't understand 
why people were shipping Lee Min

675
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,920
Ho is Sanja. 
I don't either, not at all. 

676
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,880
I mean, I get like, their 
chemistry, Yeah, they have 

677
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,160
chemistry, sure. 
But like, sure, on this plain 

678
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,760
simple thing, she said in Season
2 multiple times, we can't be 

679
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,320
together. 
I don't want to be with you in 

680
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,320
so many words, so many times. 
And this. 

681
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Isn't one of those words like 
oh, but she really does want to 

682
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,520
be with him and they can make it
happen and and there's a future 

683
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,720
for them. 
No, no, no, no. 

684
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,680
Like that is not the read that I
think you should have on this. 

685
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,040
And maybe it's because a lot of 
K drama girlies were watching 

686
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,360
season 2. 
I think so. 

687
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,200
I if whether you had read the 
book or not but I don't know if 

688
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,640
there's a blinders here because 
it's it's Imano but like 

689
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:53,280
probably I watched the show, 
binged it and could not fathom 

690
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,440
shipping Imano with. 
Socha right, He's a. 

691
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Or Hansu. 
His character's name is Hansu. 

692
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,000
Sorry, Hansu. 
Yeah, he's toxic. 

693
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,600
He's toxic there. 
It's the type of character that 

694
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,000
you love to hate. 
It's a guilty pleasure 

695
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,080
character. 
Sure, sure, guilty pleasure 

696
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,760
character. 
And I think a lot of people 

697
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,400
might have been hoodwinked by 
the fact that he keeps helping 

698
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,640
Sunja. 
But again, you got to dig a 

699
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,960
little deeper than just like, 
oh, he's hoping he's a good 

700
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,760
person. 
No, no, no. 

701
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Yeah, that is not the He's 
already he groomed her in Season

702
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,120
1. 
She was a teenager. 

703
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,320
Right. 
He was a fully grown man who 

704
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,000
groomed a teenager, got her 
pregnant and then left her 

705
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,520
because she would not be his 
mistress. 

706
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,640
Yeah, he has kids and a wife 
back in Japan. 

707
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Kids and a wife back in Japan. 
That's a villain. 

708
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,960
And his wife is the daughter of 
a major yakuza member. 

709
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,520
Like he can't leave this family 
no at all. 

710
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Like there's no way this is ever
going to work. 

711
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,840
The other thing I found really 
interesting, which I loved about

712
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,720
season 2 too, is not only are 
you getting discrimination with 

713
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,680
Sunja's family, but you also are
kind of getting an insight of 

714
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,880
discrimination of him marrying 
into this prominent Japanese 

715
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,200
family, which we've never. 
I don't, you can correct me if 

716
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,160
I'm wrong. 
I don't think we've ever seen 

717
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,400
his wife or kids in either 
season. 

718
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,320
Correct. 
No, I don't think so. 

719
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,040
OK, I don't Yeah, I I was trying
to think back on. 

720
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,960
See, I don't think he, which is 
funny, hysterical, because you'd

721
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,920
think he'd help his wife and 
kids to get out of that area in 

722
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,520
World War 2, but Nope, he goes 
running the Sunja. 

723
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,440
I mean, but it's like, yeah. 
So I found it really interesting

724
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,040
that we even saw like the 
discrimination aspect within his

725
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,400
own storyline, which I don't 
know if it's in the book. 

726
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,320
I mean, I've heard they've 
really, really added stuff to 

727
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,120
his character between Season 1 
and Season 2. 

728
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,480
I do not know if that part is in
the book or not, but I found 

729
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,600
that even. 
Like it's like one of those. 

730
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,840
Yeah, it's like 1 of like he 
definitely married into his 

731
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,240
family to survive like that. 
It was that was from season 1. 

732
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,840
He did it to gain power, did it 
to survive. 

733
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,920
And it's like no matter what you
do, no matter how high you rise,

734
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,920
you are still dealing. 
Like you could have the 

735
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,040
strongest yakuza behind you, and
because you married in their 

736
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,520
family, you're still Korean. 
You're still dealing with the 

737
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,840
discrimination these people have
against you. 

738
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,240
I like that. 
I like that he is kept under 

739
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880
under foot right the whole time.
He's in that family. 

740
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,200
He's kind of a second class 
citizen. 

741
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,000
And he owns the house. 
You know what I'm saying? 

742
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,720
Like he runs the town. 
Yeah. 

743
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,400
It's wild. 
I love that aspect where he is 

744
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,680
constantly vying for power 
buying to be recognized. 

745
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,400
And at this point, it's not 
necessarily about survival. 

746
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,880
It's about ego. 
Yeah. 

747
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,240
Because he knows he's going to 
eat. 

748
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,800
Yeah. 
Right. 

749
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,560
He knows where his next meal is 
coming from. 

750
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,080
But despite being in bed with 
the yakuza, literally, he's 

751
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:26,560
like, I need to assert myself. 
It's about these infractions on 

752
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,240
his ego, and it's pretty 
fragile. 

753
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,720
Like I think that. 
Oh, definitely. 

754
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,840
He's also a villain because he's
a narcissist. 

755
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Yeah. 
The other thing I think it was 

756
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,040
like there's two things also 
going off of your point too, is 

757
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,080
like how could people ship them 
one and a big prominent one, 

758
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,040
which I think people are kind of
forgetting. 

759
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,640
A prominent comment I saw 
throughout the show as it aired 

760
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,760
is people wanted them to like 
get their happy ending. 

761
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,400
And I'm like, and I'm like, 
guys, look at the present day. 

762
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,240
Is she with him? 
Is she like married? 

763
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,640
Is she together with anybody? 
Clearly, either he's dead or 

764
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,560
they just didn't get together 
and he's nowhere to be found. 

765
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,160
I mean, maybe he comes back 
later. 

766
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,880
I don't know. 
I, I again, we didn't read the 

767
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,920
book, but it's like even just 
from like the present day, you 

768
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,240
can tell they don't have a happy
ending. 

769
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,720
Like her entire life is not a 
happy ending. 

770
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,160
I love when they do that in 
shows. 

771
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Yeah, You can see in the future 
generation, she, I mean, she's 

772
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
content, but she has a lot of 
baggage. 

773
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,960
She has a lot of history there 
that she is dealing with and 

774
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960
trauma that she's dealing with 
across the board. 

775
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,440
And clearly she's not with 
Hansu. 

776
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,160
So obviously that was not a 
thing. 

777
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Two though, in season 2, going 
back to like the Yakuza thing in

778
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,080
season 1, yeah, he was a 
problematic guy, like really 

779
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,320
problematic. 
I feel like as you said, in 

780
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,680
season 2 he is becomes a 
villain. 

781
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,680
He is goes deeper into the crime
syndicate. 

782
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,800
He kills his father-in-law at 
one point. 

783
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,680
Yeah, because he had a common 
though. 

784
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,800
He had it coming, obviously, but
he used the shadow of war to 

785
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,200
hide to get his revenge. 
To stage a coup. 

786
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,120
Yeah, to stage a coup, he used 
that. 

787
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:29,680
He's an opportunistic narcissist
and he has accepted his role in 

788
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,920
this crime syndicate. 
The further the season goes 

789
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,280
along. 
Sunja is never going to let her 

790
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,480
children near that guy, like 
ever. 

791
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,800
Or herself, if she has to say 
single for the rest of for life,

792
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,120
that is going to happen. 
That dude is descending into the

793
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,000
crime syndicate that he has 
created and was married into, 

794
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,920
and he has accepted that role by
the end of. 

795
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,000
Indeed, indeed, indeed. 
It is unfathomable for me to 

796
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,480
watch season 2 and come out 
being like they could have made 

797
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,760
it. 
I really I I couldn't wrap my 

798
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,040
end around it, especially 
because of the conversation that

799
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,440
he has with the older brother 
who comes back from Nagasaki 

800
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,560
Yoseb. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, OK, so. 

801
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,600
That guy which we had to talk 
about, that whole. 

802
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,960
We do. 
We do, yes. 

803
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,000
But that guy, he Lehman Ho sits 
down with him. 

804
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,200
I'm sorry Hansu, I keep saying 
Lehman Ho. 

805
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,680
But I mean I'm sure people that 
are listening will just 

806
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,120
understand the actors real 
names, especially his name. 

807
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,080
But Hansu is there when this guy
wakes up, when Yosef wakes up 

808
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:47,240
and he has this really crazy 
conversation with him, which is 

809
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:53,000
really one sided because it's a 
lot of like posturing and and 

810
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,960
power play between these two 
men. 

811
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,280
And who is lording over this 
family? 

812
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,760
Who is the head of the family 
and who has the right of way 

813
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,320
here to make decisions about the
family? 

814
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,240
And how dare you be here and 
insert yourself into this family

815
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,200
when you've caused so much hurt 
and pain. 

816
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,280
You're the one who impregnated 
Sunja. 

817
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,040
You're the dad who's barely 
paying child support. 

818
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,800
You know what I'm saying? 
He's paying it in a lump sum 

819
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,840
just by saving their lives in 
World War 2, right? 

820
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,040
Lumen Hill says. 
I was the one who saved you. 

821
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,240
I saved so many of your family 
and not from any goodwill. 

822
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:38,560
Sonja and Noah compelled me 
because they are mine. 

823
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,000
And I like that quote because I 
think in his mind, he doesn't 

824
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,680
care about them. 
He has no, he has no feelings 

825
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,400
about them. 
They are property and they're an

826
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,680
extension of his bloodline. 
Yes, like that's what they are. 

827
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,000
Yes, I cannot scream yes enough 
because you nailed it. 

828
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,240
And if people were watching up 
to this point and shipping those

829
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,320
two characters, Sunja and Han 
SU, they should have gotten to 

830
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,600
episode 5 when this happens 
between Han SU and Yosef and 

831
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,760
been like, never mind, never 
mind. 

832
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Because again, and this was all 
you could read this on Lehman 

833
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,800
Ho's performance and in all of 
the behind the scenes, so to 

834
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,880
speak, of him with his 
father-in-law at home, how he 

835
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,120
treats even the servants in the 
house. 

836
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,640
You're like, he is an asshole. 
Yes, he's got a sob story. 

837
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Everybody's got a sob story. 
Right. 

838
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,200
Yes, he's a victim of the times.
Everybody's a victim of the 

839
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,400
times. 
Yeah. 

840
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,760
But how does he handle it? 
He's not righteous. 

841
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,400
He has a motive. 
Self-serving. 

842
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,240
He's selfish. 
He's selfish. 

843
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,360
It's goes beyond survival. 
He's not doing anything out of 

844
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,200
the goodness of his heart. 
Correct. 

845
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,080
So crazy, crazy mentality on 
Lehman Ho and on people who are 

846
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,640
shipping Lehman Ho's character. 
With Sunja, yeah. 

847
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,720
Now I will say I'm a huge Eamon 
Hill fan, as we know. 

848
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,920
I've I he was my first. 
I watched Boys Over Flowers. 

849
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,280
That was how I got into it. 
I've seen most of his dramas. 

850
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,720
I still love even though his 
character is horrible, I love 

851
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,960
the fact that he took this role.
It was one. 

852
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,200
This is the role. 
Didn't he? 

853
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,440
If I remember correctly, is like
his first role he had to 

854
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,720
audition for in like 10 years or
something. 

855
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,480
Like really really long time. 
Yeah, I can't remember if the 

856
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,920
story. 
Is he? 

857
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,000
No, I think he did. 
They made him audition and he 

858
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,600
could have chosen. 
OK, never mind. 

859
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,760
I'm not going to audition. 
Don't want it that bad. 

860
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,880
Not hurting for cash right now. 
Yeah. 

861
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,280
Because I can't imagine how many
scripts come across his desk. 

862
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,840
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
But he's at the stage in his 

863
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,160
career and in his fame where he 
can do anything great. 

864
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,040
Exactly. 
He can do anything he wants, but

865
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,440
he chose to do pachinko and this
egotistical narcissist. 

866
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Horrible, man, horrible. 
And I think that was the plan. 

867
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,280
I think he read the script and 
is like, this is a character 

868
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:25,440
that I've never done because I'm
always portrayed as the Prince. 

869
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,800
Yeah, Or has a a clownish rich 
man. 

870
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:35,640
And sure, this Hansu is rich, 
but there's so much depth there 

871
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,000
and so much to latch on to. 
He's bamboozling people. 

872
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,360
Evidently just by his mirror 
casting that. 

873
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Oh, he can't be that bad. 
It's Lehman Ho he's playing. 

874
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,560
It's played by Lehman Ho, right?
It's stunt casting. 

875
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,360
Yeah, so I love, I love that he 
took his role because it's 

876
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,760
definitely a role that I think 
expanded his acting chops and 

877
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,440
also was fun for him to do 
because he's never done this 

878
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,920
type of role before, like 
villain role before. 

879
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,400
Also he looks really good in 
1940s. 

880
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:16,040
You have. 
You have to admit that I really 

881
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,080
like that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

882
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,440
Talking about World War Two, 
though, the cinematography when 

883
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:29,080
it came to like the bombing and 
the the attack part of the 1940s

884
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,560
was amazing. 
It was heartbreaking, but it was

885
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,720
amazing. 
It was. 

886
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,400
I like I I remember watching the
trailer. 

887
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:42,280
Also side note, trailer Rose's. 
Cover of Coldplay. 

888
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Of Coldplay. 
Oh my God, like when the trailer

889
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,000
first aired and I was like OK, I
recognize this song. 

890
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,400
Who is singing this song? 
What is this song? 

891
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,560
I literally found like a someone
had put the song on YouTube 

892
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,680
against pictures of Rose. 
It was like nothing special. 

893
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:05,560
I probably listened to that 
video over and over because I I 

894
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,600
became obsessed with that song. 
It's a good one. 

895
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,800
It's really good. 
I really wish she would release 

896
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,280
it, like actually release it or 
Pachinko would put. 

897
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,400
I don't think Pachinko Season 2 
either has released an OST album

898
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,800
yet or I don't think it was or 
it wasn't on their OST album, I 

899
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,640
can't remember. 
But anyway, when they first 

900
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,520
showed the scenes of war, like 
the little snippets they had in 

901
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,840
the trailer of the World War 2 
scenes, because the whole 

902
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,080
trailer was like really calm and
really like going along with the

903
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,880
song. 
And then when as it rised in the

904
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,880
intensity, it would kind of do 
flashes of the World War twos 

905
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,320
and the danger that was going to
go and you could tell it was 

906
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,440
going to be a completely 
different story than what it was

907
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,200
in Season 1. 
I was like, oh shit, like we are

908
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:04,280
in for a wild ride in Season 2. 
And I was excited for the World 

909
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,720
War Two parts just because I was
intrigued by what kind of 

910
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:09,560
perspective we were going to 
get. 

911
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,320
And that's the thing I want to, 
I want to latch on to what you 

912
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,760
said about perspective because I
have lost track of how many 

913
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,280
World War 2 movies the US has 
put out. 

914
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,440
OK, it is done. 
It is beat to death. 

915
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,440
I just feel like the US is 
obsessed. 

916
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,280
Maybe, maybe Hollywood is 
obsessed with World War 2. 

917
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,120
I totally understand that. 
It was a global tragedy. 

918
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,720
Every so many countries were 
involved. the US, Pearl Harbor, 

919
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:40,760
I get it. 
I get it. 

920
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,840
There's a lot of fodder there 
for storytelling. 

921
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,680
I have, Mcfuckin had it with 
World War 2 movies. 

922
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,360
Yeah. 
So for this World War 2 

923
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,360
portrayal to be so special and 
keep me engaged and show 

924
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,240
something that I hadn't seen 
before, I'd love to see it. 

925
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:00,760
Love to see it. 
Great job. 

926
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,880
Great. 
Right. 

927
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,920
Yeah, and the fact it was on ATV
show and not a movie was 

928
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,440
impressive within itself. 
Yep. 

929
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,480
So let's jump to 19. 
This is still episode 1. 

930
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,520
We've been jumping a little bit 
around the episodes, but in 

931
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,720
episode 1 we have this scene in 
1989 of racial discrimination at

932
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,720
the bakery. 
And I just thought. 

933
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,920
Oh my heart. 
Broke my heart but if only this 

934
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,400
was 2024 it would have gone 
viral with a video. 

935
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,160
But yeah you know this is beyond
the pale. 

936
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,240
Like they just didn't. 
They assumed she was Korean 

937
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,560
based on how she spoke Japanese 
over the phone right? 

938
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,880
Fucked up with her cake that she
ordered and was going to pay 

939
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,400
full price for right? 
And they said, Oh well. 

940
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,800
Exactly. 
Oh, well, you're Korean, learn 

941
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,200
Japanese. 
I couldn't understand you over 

942
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,200
the phone. 
And it was it Like it rocked me.

943
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,720
And of course, Solomon goes ape 
shit. 

944
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,320
There's a crash out in the 
bakery. 

945
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,440
He ends up saying to Sunja, his 
grandmother. 

946
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,480
I can't live. 
Always feeling sorry for you. 

947
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,360
Yeah, which I was just like, you
bastard. 

948
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,800
That was just like, seriously, 
you were getting mad at the 

949
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,080
wrong person here. 
Two things. 

950
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:29,520
Solomon is also an asshole, yes,
but he's also touching on 

951
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,640
something about how the current 
generation can't always live in 

952
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,680
self pity and wallow in trauma 
that didn't happen to them. 

953
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,680
Right. 
True, true. 

954
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,640
So I understand where he was 
coming from, where he's like, I 

955
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,880
can't always, we can't just live
in the past and I can't always 

956
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,960
live my life as if I'm 
struggling, right, because I'm 

957
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440
not. 
I mean, I think he also was 

958
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,680
telling her you should have 
stuck up for yourself. 

959
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,400
Exactly, exactly, because I 
can't always stick up for you, 

960
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,920
right, You need to set 
boundaries. 

961
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,360
It's been he's like it's been 40
years, like get some gumption, 

962
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,160
handle this business of being 
racially discriminated in 

963
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,720
public, right, because this this
is ridiculous. 

964
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,000
So I understand like on multiple
it's it's a lot of facets to 

965
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,480
this attitude that he's showing 
to his grandmother, which is 

966
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,720
very disrespectful, super 
disrespectful. 

967
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:32,920
Would I ever say that to my 
grandma? 

968
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,880
No, but you know, the sentiment 
is understandable. 

969
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,240
But yeah, don't say that to your
grandparents. 

970
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:50,000
And oh also in episode 1, even 
though get Sunja out of prison 

971
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,480
because she got arrested in a 
raid on the black market, they 

972
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,240
were going to start selling rice
wine, which is illegal. 

973
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,480
I guess there's a bit of a 
prohibition thing happening 

974
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,880
here. 
I don't know what the details, 

975
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,320
but he gets a route. 
He's known her whereabouts, had 

976
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,360
his man Taylor for years, knew 
she was selling rice wine, knows

977
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,000
his son Noah's not applying 
himself at school. 

978
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,920
That Noah's teacher is secretly 
Korean and pretending otherwise.

979
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,600
Full on soccer. 
Full on soccer. 

980
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Episode 2 even though finally 

981
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,720
gets E Sock out of jail. 
Oh my God, I bawled my eyes out.

982
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,160
This was. 
My first cry My first cry of 

983
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,200
Pachinko was episode 2. 
Like ever. 

984
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,680
Like even Season 1. 
Oh no, I think I cried in season

985
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,600
1. 
I can't remember where I. 

986
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,120
Cried I'm about to say Oh my God
I sobbed in season 1 so but I 

987
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,520
know but like. 
I didn't cry on episode 1 but 

988
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,600
episode 2 of season 2 I cried. 
But like everything with E sock.

989
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,240
Oh, I was sobbing. 
I, like, couldn't catch my 

990
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,040
breath. 
Yeah. 

991
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,160
So I was trying so hard. 
I have the line from E Sock here

992
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,360
that says, you see, a person who
is truly rich is not somebody 

993
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,960
with money, but someone who is 
loved because Masashu. 

994
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,880
Wow, did I say that right, 
Moses? 

995
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,520
I'm struggling today. 
Anyway, the younger sibling, the

996
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,480
younger kid is saying, oh, you 
grew up in a in a big house with

997
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,520
lots of rooms, you know, 
lamenting the fact that they're 

998
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,760
poor. 
And Isaac is like, I grew up in 

999
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,600
a house with lots of rooms and 
it was a big house, but it I 

1000
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,880
don't miss the house. 
He misses the people inside it. 

1001
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:38,960
Important lesson, important 
lesson to teach a child. 

1002
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,800
And the other lesson that he 
teaches is for Noah, because 

1003
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,840
that motherfucking pastor turned
Isaac in to the authorities. 

1004
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,840
Look, I would have gotten now 
kind of Monte Cristo style. 

1005
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,200
Like I would have of course 
rocked that pastor. 

1006
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,800
Pastor who? 
Oh my God, he should have been 

1007
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,240
counting as these. 
But the face off in that cramped

1008
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:09,520
room and how they filmed it by 
Lantern Isak is like, no way you

1009
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,800
stay. 
I want you to see that this 

1010
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,360
whole encounter and the pastor 
saying, no, I didn't dislike 

1011
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,120
you, I despised you. 
I'm sorry. 

1012
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,040
It was so shocking. 
It was terrible to witness this 

1013
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,160
pure jealousy rolling off of 
this pastor, like he's just been

1014
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,760
masquerading this whole time as 
if he's a good person and 

1015
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,360
saying, oh, love came easily to 
you, Isaac. 

1016
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,200
And I was abandoned by my 
parents. 

1017
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,080
And Pastor, you took me in. 
But I sense that he loved you 

1018
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,040
more. 
Like it was crazy work. 

1019
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,080
Yeah. 
Crazy inferiority complex. 

1020
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:57,080
And then I also just felt like 
so bad for Noah, too, because in

1021
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:02,320
the six years that Esock was in 
prison, Noah really leaned on 

1022
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,760
this guy. 
He really wanted this dude to 

1023
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,160
become like a father figure to 
him. 

1024
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,880
Such a betrayal. 
And. 

1025
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,120
Such a betrayal of. 
Trust. 

1026
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,800
It was so bad. 
Yeah, because they cut to Noah 

1027
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:20,360
looking incredulous, looking at 
him with disdain after, and this

1028
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,840
is especially after Pastor, who 
says that he prayed for him and 

1029
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,920
was hoping for his release, 
yadda yadda yadda. 

1030
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,800
And the pastor looks over at 
Noah, and Noah is like you son 

1031
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:38,880
of a bitch. 
Yeah, yeah, it was I and I, like

1032
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,720
I, like we didn't. 
I did not see it coming either. 

1033
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,040
I just thought they would never 
reveal why Isaac was in prison. 

1034
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Like I didn't really expect to 
find out. 

1035
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,160
And all of this is juxtaposed 
against 1989, so you have this 

1036
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:59,720
really unsatisfying forgiveness 
in the 40s and this unbelievable

1037
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,800
grace that Esock extends to the 
pastor who doesn't deserve it. 

1038
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Right. 
Yeah. 

1039
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,600
You have this juxtaposed against
1989, where Solomon is in full 

1040
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,080
rage, wanting to get back at the
man who did him wrong. 

1041
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,000
I'm like, this is powerful. 
This is great storytelling. 

1042
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,600
This is a plus. 
Plus, no notes. 

1043
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,720
Yeah, because he's talking with 
the old lady who refused to sell

1044
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,320
her property from Season 1. 
So he goes to visit her. 

1045
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,640
He's talking about who am I to 
talk about it, I guess meaning 

1046
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,560
all of this stuff that's unsaid 
about the war years and about my

1047
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,360
struggles. 
He says who am I to talk about 

1048
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,680
it? 
I have no idea what suffering 

1049
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,840
is. 
And he goes on to have this 

1050
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,360
pretty insightful pity party 
about he's how he's perceived by

1051
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,320
this lady and his own 
grandmother Sunja, because he's 

1052
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,720
never been hungry. 
He can't even imagine being 

1053
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,920
hungry. 
He's not had to struggle. 

1054
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,760
His life is incredibly easy. 
And he says to the old lady, you

1055
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,120
must despise me and think your 
suffering was all for this, for 

1056
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,800
this guy to have this cushy life
and still not be satisfied. 

1057
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,960
And she rocks him back with 
she's lived a good life, a life 

1058
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,360
well lived, and she doesn't 
regret any of it. 

1059
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,520
Like in so much as you think 
she's wallowing and can't get 

1060
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:31,440
through the trauma of the past, 
she doesn't regret anything. 

1061
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,720
Right. 
I think that's the same 

1062
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:39,640
sentiment Sunja has, which her 
grandson doesn't think that. 

1063
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,760
Yeah, So this difference in the 
generations, I love juxtaposing 

1064
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:49,600
them against each other and the 
forgiveness versus the revenge 

1065
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,520
in the present day, I'm like. 
Oh, good shit. 

1066
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,840
Good shit, right? 
Yeah, I sobbed in that goodbye. 

1067
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,920
I saw it in the goodbye. 
It was so sad. 

1068
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,880
I like knew it was coming too. 
It's like one of those things 

1069
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,000
where you're like. 
He ain't gonna make it this. 

1070
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,920
Dude is gone. 
He's a goner. 

1071
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,520
I mean, you all know Hansu got 
him out of prison because he 

1072
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,680
knew he was going to die like. 
Oh yeah, Hansu only plucked him 

1073
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,840
out of prison because she 
wouldn't leave the city. 

1074
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,440
She wouldn't leave Osaka without
him. 

1075
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,000
Yep. 
And so Hansu was like, damn, I 

1076
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,600
got to get this fool out. 
And yeah, even Hansu I don't 

1077
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,640
think would have restored him 
whole. 

1078
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,120
Oh, absolutely not. 
No, because he's so vile. 

1079
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,840
Yeah, yeah. 
And then of course, the second 

1080
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,760
that he's cremated, the sirens 
start and they have to get I. 

1081
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,360
Don't think the flames even 
reached his flesh. 

1082
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:53,200
I don't think so either and she 
refuses to leave until she has 

1083
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,280
those ashes. 
It's like she still refused to 

1084
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,240
leave. 
Like even even when he brought 

1085
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:04,160
him back and she was able to say
goodbye and we're still like 

1086
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,400
dragging her out of there. 
Yeah, but it goes to show how 

1087
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,520
much she respected, loved and 
honored him. 

1088
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,880
And I love that. 
So I feel like we could do like 

1089
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,000
30 minutes more on this. 
But here's the last thing that I

1090
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:22,240
have in my notes for it is Isak 
says to both of his sons, which 

1091
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:27,000
he accepted Noah as his own son.
Like genuinely thought of him as

1092
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,040
his own son. 
And both of them, he tells them,

1093
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,040
my son's a broken body with 
broken bones. 

1094
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,840
That is all I have to give to 
you. 

1095
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,320
But Even so, remember this, that
pastor's fate and ours is 

1096
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,840
tightly wound together. 
Noah, know that mercy isn't a 

1097
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,000
power, nor is it a reward. 
True mercy is acknowledging that

1098
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,240
there's a price, a cost, that 
it's attached to survival. 

1099
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,200
But just remember this, no 
matter where you are, no matter 

1100
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,640
what, you are my sons and I am 
your father. 

1101
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,320
Tears already. 
I was crying. 

1102
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,160
Tears already then so and just 
says goodbye to Esau laying on 

1103
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,040
the ground. 
God, her last word. 

1104
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,080
I was literally like like that 
kind of crying, 'cause she goes 

1105
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,640
I. 
Could literally start crying. 

1106
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,200
I'm like thinking about, yeah, 
my God, she goes. 

1107
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,520
To be loved and to be honored by
my husband. 

1108
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,680
It has been everything to me. 
I was full on crying. 

1109
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,920
I was full on crying. 
He tells her to find somebody 

1110
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,640
else, find someone else because 
you have all this love to give. 

1111
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,600
And she was like, why would I do
that? 

1112
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,520
And honestly, like my own 
grandmother and grandfather on 

1113
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:43,240
my dad's side, they were married
for like 50 years and this reeks

1114
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,319
of old school love, if that 
makes any sense. 

1115
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,960
Like my grandmother did not 
obviously remarry after 50 

1116
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,399
years, but I couldn't even 
fathom it either because they 

1117
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,160
were so connected at like a soul
level. 

1118
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,040
So these two, I mean, despite 
the circumstances of her, you 

1119
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:06,319
know, her having a child out of 
wedlock and stuff, he loved her 

1120
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,120
like he. 
Right, right. 

1121
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,439
Yeah. 
He loved her, she grew to love 

1122
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,160
him, and he was a solid, solid 
marriage. 

1123
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,040
Yeah, well, I mean, I think also
in this scene, what really broke

1124
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,760
me was his begging to live. 
Oh my God, stop. 

1125
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,920
I was. 
Just like, Oh my God, it was 

1126
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:29,120
like being stabbed in heart with
like every line of the scene 

1127
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,040
because it was. 
Just why he was like I but I 

1128
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,560
want to live and. 
Yeah, it was. 

1129
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,160
And there was no way I wouldn't.
Would he have like sepsis? 

1130
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,560
I think. 
Yeah, like he was starved and 

1131
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,479
beaten and sepsis and like, all 
this stuff. 

1132
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,439
Like stuff. 
Yeah. 

1133
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,319
He just. 
I'm honestly surprised. 

1134
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,479
And maybe they did this in 
Season 1 and I just don't 

1135
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,640
remember. 
I'm honestly surprised we did 

1136
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:57,160
not get a scene of what he dealt
with in prison because we never 

1137
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,040
saw that. 
We kind of saw that with her a 

1138
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,760
little bit when in like when she
went to jail in Episode 1. 

1139
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,680
But I'm really surprised they 
didn't show that. 

1140
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,720
Maybe they just thought, like, 
we have enough atrocities to 

1141
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,040
show you. 
I don't. 

1142
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,960
Know, they get taken to the 
countryside. 

1143
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,080
They're living in a farmhouse, 
which honestly, by today's 

1144
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,600
standards, that's that's great. 
People love to live in 

1145
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,600
farmhouses. 
Oh yeah, yeah, Redone 

1146
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,360
farmhouses. 
That's trending. 

1147
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:33,000
So Sonja is very distressful of 
Hansu and Hansu keeps enticing 

1148
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,400
the boys like he's obviously 
trying to ingratiate himself, 

1149
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,720
give them fine things and teach 
them how to fly kite and all 

1150
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,120
this bullshit. 
She's not having any of it. 

1151
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,200
She's like, what do you want? 
Why are you here? 

1152
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,960
Stop doing this. 
And again, she's not wrong. 

1153
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,000
She's not wrong. 
This is all part of his agenda. 

1154
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,320
And again, not done out of 
goodwill. 

1155
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,160
Not done out of goodwill, but 
there's also her in the present 

1156
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,560
day in 1989 having this 
flirtation with this ragtime 

1157
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,840
barbershop looking Japanese 
grandpa feeding birds in the 

1158
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:11,040
park, saying her grandson was 
right to berate the bakery dude 

1159
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,160
for that. 
All that racial discrimination, 

1160
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,160
the bullshit he was talking. 
He was like, no, your grandson 

1161
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,200
was brave to have said all that 
and I agree with him and yadda 

1162
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,640
yadda yadda, man. 
Come to find out, that old man 

1163
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:28,080
was like a war criminal, that he
had this sordid past. 

1164
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:34,440
And I was like, oh. 
I felt so bad for her because it

1165
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:38,000
was like they're cute together. 
Kind of got her to open up a 

1166
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,320
little bit and enjoy life a 
little bit and not be burdened 

1167
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,400
by the trauma that she's dealt 
with. 

1168
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:50,160
And then you throw that into the
mix and I'm like, I'm really 

1169
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,600
curious if that's in the book. 
I don't know if it is, but yeah,

1170
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:00,480
I was like, oh damn, damn. 
And the overarching message of 

1171
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,920
that kind of slapping her in the
face is that you really can't 

1172
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,960
forget the past, right? 
These are deep wounds. 

1173
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,920
There's no way they could have 
rebounded after she got that 

1174
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,920
news. 
And I'm on the fence about 

1175
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:19,600
whether her son Mosasu was in 
the wrong for doing the 

1176
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,680
investigation on him hiring that
Pi to get all the dirt on the 

1177
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,840
old man. 
I'm like, I'm on the fence about

1178
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,320
it. 
I'm on the fence about it 

1179
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,320
because she is. 
They seem to be very wealthy. 

1180
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,320
Right, right. 
So this old man, sure, I think 

1181
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,960
he did have ulterior motives in 
in approaching her. 

1182
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Sure, it could have been pure, 
but I don't, I don't think 

1183
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,320
there's necessarily he could 
have really targeted her because

1184
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:50,920
she's rich. 
Yeah, I don't think her youngest

1185
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,520
son did it out of any type of. 
I'd want her to stay single. 

1186
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,560
I don't want. 
Her to like, I don't think he 

1187
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,160
would. 
I think he generally would like 

1188
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,560
the guy and wanted her to be 
happy. 

1189
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,400
But I think you're right. 
I think he was trying to protect

1190
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,520
her and make sure you can see 
how vulnerable she is. 

1191
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,120
Yeah. 
Yeah, Like she. 

1192
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,960
Gave him money. 
When she gave the money, I was 

1193
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,960
like, oh. 
Yeah, I think she still has this

1194
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,240
somewhat of an innocence about 
her. 

1195
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,320
And like, she's a little naive, 
yes, just like she was in season

1196
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,760
1. 
I think that has just never left

1197
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,120
her in a way. 
Yeah, in other aspects she 

1198
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,880
definitely has learned a lot. 
But I think they're, I think a 

1199
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,760
common thing with romance in 
general. 

1200
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,800
She's still naive about it and 
still very innocence within it. 

1201
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,840
Even though she's had E Sock and
somewhat even Ho's character. 

1202
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:51,600
I think she's still it is never 
she's never had a like a regular

1203
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,600
relationship. 
Yeah, it's. 

1204
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,320
Not under to. 
This point, yeah, like, yeah, I 

1205
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,720
mean, granted, she could have 
one and we're not done with the 

1206
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,480
story, but like, yeah, she she's
never had a normal relationship.

1207
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,480
Great point. 
So the barbershop murderer? 

1208
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,640
I'd say say barbershop cuz 
that's just how he's kind of 

1209
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,000
dressed most of the time. 
Yeah. 

1210
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,360
Yeah, You know what I'm saying? 
Yeah. 

1211
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,280
Yeah. 
Like, he seems like he's part of

1212
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,600
a barbershop quartet. 
But yeah, anyway, that was 

1213
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,720
crazy. 
When they revealed that I was 

1214
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:26,560
like no. 
Yeah, 'cause they work together.

1215
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,680
They were adorable together. 
But yeah, it yeah, it was. 

1216
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,040
Like I drew the line when you 
kept talking about, oh, I got I 

1217
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,160
don't got money. 
When she saw that he couldn't 

1218
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,520
pay for the Mexican food, which 
great date, great date idea, 

1219
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,400
have Mexican food and a couple 
of marks. 

1220
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:47,440
Absolutely sign me up. 
But damn, damn, so so sad. 

1221
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,240
Disappointing. 
There was an attraction in the 

1222
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,280
1940s between the auntie and the
bodyguard. 

1223
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,440
Oh yeah, girl, I was lapping 
that up. 

1224
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,720
I was laughing. 
It up same same. 

1225
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,760
Because if I recall correctly, 
her husband was very machismo. 

1226
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,560
Oh yeah, definitely. 
And he? 

1227
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,600
Got mad at them for paying off 
his debt in season 1. 

1228
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,840
Yeah, he was bitching and 
moaning and sliding down the 

1229
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,040
walls because the ladies handled
his biz. 

1230
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,440
And I was like, oh he ain't. 
He ain't even a good man. 

1231
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,000
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, they kind of had that 

1232
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,800
interaction a little bit in 
season one, but it got full 

1233
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:28,760
blown attraction in season 2. 
Like they had chemistry. 

1234
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,120
And yeah, you also hated her 
husband in this season, so that 

1235
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,600
didn't really. 
Help either? 

1236
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,760
Like, yeah, it's more than. 1. 
Taken to 11. 

1237
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,520
Yeah, at least in season 1 it's 
like, OK, he has some machismo. 

1238
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,040
He's definitely like of the 
times. 

1239
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:49,600
Like gender role type wise. 
Oh God I hated his character. 

1240
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,920
In Season 2. 
Absolutely did. 

1241
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,640
Granted to some extent I 
understand why, but on another 

1242
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,800
extent I'm like dude you could 
be dealing like get a therapist.

1243
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,080
Like therapy? 
Talk about. 

1244
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,600
It we haven't talked about that 
part yet. 

1245
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,480
Noah. 
So we're getting to it. 

1246
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:10,880
But Noah has this moment where 
he lets the school bully go 

1247
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,480
because he was stealing eggs. 
And you can see that the fruit 

1248
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:21,640
of Isaac forgiving the pastor 
has taken root inside Noah and 

1249
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,880
he immediately forgives this 
kid. 

1250
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,760
The power was balance was 
switched in that moment. 

1251
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,520
He had every right to punish him
for not just bullying him in 

1252
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,800
school, but also for stealing 
from the family. 

1253
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:38,240
In these dire times where every 
little chicken egg is important,

1254
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,320
it's it needs to be consumed by 
this family. 

1255
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,360
They own these chickens. 
And oh, man. 

1256
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,680
And then the bodyguard says you 
want your enemies to owe you, 

1257
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,600
not the other way around. 
Words to live by. 

1258
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,000
So episode 4, Lemon Hill brings 
Sonja's mom back from Korea 

1259
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,000
again. 
It's it's got a red herring. 

1260
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,400
Things that he's doing. 
The other thing is, is the 

1261
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,400
immediately when she stepped out
of the car, I was like, well, 

1262
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,440
how long did that? 
Was that the plan? 

1263
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:13,160
Like how long did that take? 
Because obviously 1940 something

1264
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,560
I'm like, you put her in a trunk
on money or smuggling shift. 

1265
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,600
There's like no way. 
There's no way you got a 

1266
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:24,400
passenger ticket in World War 2.
Yeah, well, she was saying about

1267
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,280
the she was talking about the 
passage over and how the boat 

1268
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,800
was really small and they were 
crammed in there and stuff like 

1269
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,440
who the fuck knows how he 
brought her over in the 

1270
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,440
conditions, but the fact that he
even found her. 

1271
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,800
Well, yeah, found her. 
But also it was like did how 

1272
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,640
long was that the plan? 
Like how long did he was he 

1273
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,840
planning on bringing her over? 
Like because he obviously 

1274
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,400
couldn't do it. 
There's no way. 

1275
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,080
He was like, Oh my God, World 
War 2 broke out. 

1276
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,960
Let's bring her mother over it. 
There's no way. 

1277
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,960
He I know that the Americans 
just bond Osaka, but let's get 

1278
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:01,320
this old bag over here. 
Like when I see what you're 

1279
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,760
saying. 
Like, when did he say start the 

1280
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:04,240
search? 
Yeah. 

1281
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,040
Yeah. 
Or maybe he's never lost her. 

1282
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:09,800
Maybe. 
Maybe. 

1283
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,040
Yeah, maybe he's just. 
Rubbing fingers all over Korea 

1284
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,880
and. 
Japan, like, oh, Sonja's mad at 

1285
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,200
me, let me go get her mother and
then she'll forgive me. 

1286
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,280
Yeah, like, maybe that was the 
plan. 

1287
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,360
I don't know. 
Yeah, they have a moment in 1989

1288
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,160
where Sonja is with Anna Sawai's
character and they're making 

1289
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:31,040
food. 
Anna Sawai says that she used to

1290
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,200
help her mom cook dinner for her
family, but it was kind of all 

1291
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,080
for not because the dad was 
rarely home. 

1292
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,400
He like never came home much. 
And Sunja says the food you make

1293
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,040
for others and the food you make
for your family, you can taste 

1294
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,560
the difference. 
Kind of an extension of what we 

1295
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:55,320
saw in season 1 with food being 
such a touch point for people, 

1296
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,400
especially Sunja and her journey
because she is a cook. 

1297
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,760
She's using her cooking skills 
to put food on the table, so to 

1298
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,720
speak, right? 
She's selling goods and the 

1299
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:10,720
goods is this home cooked food. 
And so she intimately knows that

1300
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,240
cooking for your family is 
different than cooking for other

1301
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,760
people. 
And she is basically saying, I 

1302
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,520
know how much love you put in 
that food. 

1303
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,960
I know how much it meant to you 
to cook with your mom and put 

1304
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,960
this feast together for your dad
who never came home. 

1305
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:29,920
It's like acknowledging all of 
this sincerity that was 

1306
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,480
literally left on the table. 
And I love that. 

1307
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,360
I just loved it. 
I thought it was, it was great. 

1308
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,200
And then we get in the past, 
Sonja getting a driving lesson 

1309
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,560
from Emin Ho on this stick shift
vehicle from the 40s. 

1310
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:50,720
And it was. 
It culminated in she ends up 

1311
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,240
making out with Lee Min Ho. 
And I'm like, girl, girl. 

1312
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,800
It was a moment of weakness. 
It was a moment of weakness. 

1313
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,960
And he he scares her off because
again, he asserts, oh, you're 

1314
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,240
mine and all this stuff. 
She's like, we ain't doing that.

1315
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:11,240
And like, literally hoofs it 
back to the farmhouse, right? 

1316
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,200
And when she comes home, the mom
correctly guesses. 

1317
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,200
Lehman hose, the father Lehman 
hose Noah's dad and they both go

1318
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,560
like we can't Noah can never 
find out foreshadowing 

1319
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,240
foreshadowing because of course 
no one's going to find out that 

1320
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,520
even knows his dad. 
And I did read into the bath 

1321
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,280
that she takes because she's 
covered in mud after she comes 

1322
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,400
back from they were they got the
car stuck in the mud and at the 

1323
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,840
push it and then they start 
making out and she's covered. 

1324
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,520
She's dirty and the mom goes, we
have to like wash you down. 

1325
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,240
We, we have to wash up because 
you can't go inside looking like

1326
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,160
that. 
You're, you're got mud all over 

1327
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,120
you. 
And when she takes this bath, it

1328
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,520
is like a baptism to me. 
That's how I read it. 

1329
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,800
Yeah, it's like a turning point.
Yeah, she's not going to get 

1330
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:03,960
weak in front of Imanno, and 
she's not going to take his lies

1331
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,600
anymore. 
Yeah, I really, I really like 

1332
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,440
that. 
And Noah of course, witnesses 

1333
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:11,360
Imanno loses shit on the 
foreman. 

1334
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,520
I was about to say that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1335
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,600
I think at that extent of the of
the story, Noah was kind of 

1336
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,960
getting suspicious of him a 
little bit. 

1337
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,640
And I think this just cemented 
that for him because on one 

1338
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,920
hand, his younger brother is 
like, Oh my God, he's so much 

1339
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,040
fun. 
He plays catch with us being a 

1340
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,720
kid. 
And then Noah being the person 

1341
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,440
that he is, is extremely 
protective as of his mother is 

1342
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:41,400
like, OK, this dude who's 
obviously rich and has 

1343
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,600
everything in the world, why, 
yeah, why is he hanging around 

1344
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,440
my mom? 
Why is he doing this? 

1345
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:53,480
And I think it really this both 
scared him because obviously 

1346
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:57,520
this dudes around his mom and 
him and his family. 

1347
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:03,680
It also showed him he'd 
obviously doesn't know that 

1348
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,400
Eamon Ho's character is part of 
the Yakuza, but this showed him 

1349
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,000
that this dude is involved in 
some weird, crazy, shady shit. 

1350
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,480
And I think it it it changed his
perspective of it, even though 

1351
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:21,040
he was just, I think he was very
suspicious of him before that 

1352
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,400
happened. 
But yeah, I agree. 

1353
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,600
And obviously Eamon Ho's 
character did not want him to 

1354
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,640
see it and then knows that he 
saw it. 

1355
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:30,280
So. 
Oh. 

1356
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:36,680
Man, he saw me at my day job. 
Dang, episode 5 we have to talk 

1357
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,120
about episode 5. 
Hold on, hold on, hold on. 

1358
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,920
Let's go back to episode 4 
really quick because we also got

1359
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:48,960
another kiss scene in this gym. 
Because the auntie has a First 

1360
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,200
of all, she has a breakdown, 
full on breakdown, like a panic 

1361
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,560
attack because they saw all of 
those planes flying overhead. 

1362
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,080
I. 
Think. 

1363
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:03,200
And she was like, Oh my God, 
this is a lot to take, right? 

1364
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:07,400
Especially for just she doesn't 
know if her husband is alive and

1365
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,680
well, if they're going to bomb 
Nagasaki and all these things, 

1366
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,400
which history is really sad 
because we know. 

1367
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,400
Yeah, like the minute I heard 
that he was working in a factory

1368
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:21,960
Nagasaki, I'm like, Oh no. 
Oh, Jesus. 

1369
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,240
And the minute I heard that I 
was like, oh man, this is going 

1370
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,840
to be bad. 
And again, it's weird because 

1371
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,720
it's like I not weird, but it's 
kind of, I don't know the term. 

1372
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,440
Both of these women had a moment
of weakness in this show and 

1373
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:42,160
kissed the people they should 
not have kissed for. 

1374
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:43,640
Various. 
Different reasons, like 

1375
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,760
different reasons on why they 
should not have kissed him or 

1376
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,360
like the circumstances of the 
kiss of I think it's more, I 

1377
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,280
mean, the comments about this 
episode were tearing Sanjay's 

1378
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,120
character apart, just tearing 
her apart all around on social 

1379
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,200
media, which I hated. 
She don't need that. 

1380
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:08,000
She doesn't need that from you. 
Yeah, and I didn't see much 

1381
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,000
about the second button. 
I mean, it is even ho, so people

1382
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,040
are just going to be talking 
about his storyline for the most

1383
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,160
part anyway. 
But if you had to compare the 

1384
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:21,320
moment of weakness, I think in 
my opinion, even though I don't 

1385
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:26,120
think Sunja did anything wrong, 
I think she was just lonely and 

1386
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,600
he took advantage of that 
situation like he did in Season 

1387
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,360
1. 
I mean that it was all his 

1388
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,520
manipulation in her having this 
moment of weakness. 

1389
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,560
So I don't see she did anything 
wrong. 

1390
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,240
I think the side character with 
the bodyguard and the Ant, it 

1391
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:47,360
was more justifiable because she
was freaking out like she was. 

1392
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:51,280
She was pretty low as well. 
Yeah, she was like, basically 

1393
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,160
grieving her husband, thinking, 
oh God, it's probably the worst 

1394
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:56,080
thing ever. 
Yeah. 

1395
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,680
I agree completely. 
And then to an extent both. 

1396
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,840
You could say both guys took 
advantage. 

1397
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,840
Of exactly and to an extent 
Sunja was grieving too. 

1398
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,760
Like she literally just burned 
in sock and then left. 

1399
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,360
Yes, it was. 
There was no closure really 

1400
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:11,720
there. 
No closure. 

1401
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,560
No closure. 
You could see she was wanting 

1402
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,640
that. 
She was wanting that experience,

1403
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,840
that whole funeral experience, 
too. 

1404
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,120
Exactly. 
Play itself out how it should 

1405
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:24,560
have and it was interrupted and 
then they had to flee the city 

1406
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:25,720
because it was about to be 
bombed. 

1407
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,040
She's got a lot of unresolved 
grief there. 

1408
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,520
You know so. 
And then the other girl, the 

1409
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,200
auntie, poor lady, like I'm 
just. 

1410
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,960
Like this poor. 
Lady, she can't catch a break. 

1411
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,280
And yeah, despite me actually 
wanting her to get with the 

1412
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,400
bodyguard. 
Yeah, the bodyguard took 

1413
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,160
advantage of that moment and 
maybe you could say he was 

1414
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:54,400
trying to comfort her, but she's
been trying to rebuff you for a 

1415
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:55,880
year or so. 
Like it's. 

1416
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,480
At least that, yeah. 
He was definitely taking 

1417
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:04,320
advantage of the situation, 
whether you saw it that way or 

1418
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,640
not. 
They both got kissed in episode 

1419
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,960
4, right? 
Right. 

1420
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,480
Right, I love that great spot. 
Episode 5 we got to talk about 

1421
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:19,520
episode 5. 
Episode 5 is Nagasaki 1945. 

1422
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,320
The brother is working on 
grenades. 

1423
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:28,400
So this is man. 
The names are escaping me this. 

1424
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,480
Is this is Yosef? 
Yeah, Yosef is. 

1425
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,560
Working on grenades I think in 
this fact. 

1426
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,520
The first, the first like 15 
minutes of this episode, I was 

1427
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:43,280
just like, Oh my God. 
Yes, black and white, different 

1428
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,680
aspect ratio. 
Yeah. 

1429
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,560
They're doing the most, They're 
leading it up to the bombing. 

1430
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,160
Each day you get a little bit 
more of his experience in the 

1431
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:58,160
factory and how he is not 
hanging out with the other 

1432
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:03,520
Koreans in the factory, kind of 
keeping to himself until this 

1433
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:08,760
kid really opens up to him and 
tells his story of how he 

1434
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:13,840
survived a cholera outbreak that
killed 88 of 89 people in his 

1435
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,560
town. 
He is the one survivor. 

1436
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,520
And the kid saying maybe I was 
kept alive for this moment, for 

1437
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:25,000
this moment, that I can kill 
this high-ranking official in 

1438
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,240
the Japanese army or something 
like that. 

1439
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,520
Like this general, I don't even 
know who was coming to visit 

1440
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:34,720
Nagasaki, but he was like, maybe
I can do something here, make a 

1441
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,880
difference in some way. 
Yeah, Oh. 

1442
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,560
My God, it's all just. 
It happened so fast. 

1443
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:45,120
The August 9th coming along and 
the bombing, it was impressive 

1444
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,720
to see how they handled it. 
Right. 

1445
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:53,360
And how the guy just, I mean, 
Yosep jumps in and saves the 

1446
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,080
official who came for the visit,
right? 

1447
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,040
But he really did it to save the
kid because he didn't want the 

1448
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,880
kid to get off to for this 
murder attempt. 

1449
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,960
And then just when you thought 
they were safe. 

1450
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,760
No, there was at no point that I
was like just when I thought 

1451
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:15,360
they were safe, but he gets put 
in the back of a vehicle and 

1452
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:20,160
then boom, the A bomb goes off 
the moment he regains 

1453
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:24,480
consciousness and you see his 
burnt up mangled face. 

1454
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,680
Wow. 
Wow. 

1455
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,480
I have crazy eyes right now 
because the that scene is it 

1456
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,000
rocks you. 
Yeah, it's like you literally 

1457
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,440
thought he was dead. 
Like you were like, there's no 

1458
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:38,880
way. 
There's no way that guy's alive 

1459
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:44,240
and then he's alive and. 
You're just like, no, it's that 

1460
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,040
worse. 
I don't. 

1461
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:54,040
Know I know exactly it's like he
he's covered in burns and sores 

1462
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,520
and bandages and like he's not 
recognizable whatsoever 

1463
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:02,800
obviously super painful it's. 
Just well, I heard, I also heard

1464
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,800
that if this is from coming from
my sister who works close to the

1465
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,280
burn unit in her hospital, that 
some burn victims when the burn 

1466
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,280
goes past a certain degree, they
don't feel pain because the 

1467
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:18,680
nerve endings have been burnt 
off, which maybe that's a small 

1468
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:22,440
mercy in his case. 
I don't know if that's the case 

1469
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:25,200
for him, but I just kept that in
the back of my mind, right? 

1470
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:29,480
The flies that were buzzing 
around him and crawling on him. 

1471
01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:35,360
I was, I was just trying to self
soothe during this whole thing, 

1472
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:37,960
right. 
And this is a conversation that 

1473
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,560
we said earlier that he has with
Emanho because he tries to 

1474
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,320
assert like dominance over 
Emanho in this moment. 

1475
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,040
And it could be seen as 
righteous anger because he's 

1476
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,920
totally right to be angry at 
even though. 

1477
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:57,320
Right, right. 
However, even though he puts him

1478
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,200
in his place, he's like you can 
be the head of the family. 

1479
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,280
I'm not going to fight you for 
that. 

1480
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,680
That's fine. 
You can keep that title. 

1481
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,640
However, I need you to know 
who's wearing the pants here, 

1482
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,800
who's paying the bills here, 
Who's saved your family so that 

1483
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,840
who saved your ass? 
Right. 

1484
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,240
So such a face that that's 
everything that I got from this 

1485
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,280
conversation. 
And then we get another five 

1486
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,800
year time jump. 
Well, really quickly before we 

1487
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,880
get the five year time jump, the
other thing that was like kind 

1488
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,800
of in the 1st 10 or 15 minutes 
of this show of this episode is 

1489
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,320
you also are seeing the date. 
Like it's not just like, OK, 

1490
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,080
here's one day, here's another 
day. 

1491
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:42,720
It's literally counting down by 
showing you the date every time.

1492
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,360
So if you're minimally know the 
date that the bomb went off, 

1493
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:51,960
you're like, OK, really. 
OK, So it's like one of those 

1494
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,760
things were like like in voice 
in the K drama voice, they have 

1495
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,560
a it's a whole thing where it's 
like they only you can only save

1496
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,640
this person in a certain amount 
of time because there's like 

1497
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,720
statistics and everything. 
I can't remember what they call 

1498
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,760
it, but like they have a clock 
the entire time in the episode 

1499
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,800
and you're like, OK, they have 
to save this in people in this 

1500
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,440
amount of time. 
It's it was like that. 

1501
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:16,960
It's like you knew what was 
coming on this certain date and 

1502
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,840
they were just counting down. 
That's always. 

1503
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,160
Going to work. 
That that exactly. 

1504
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,400
The fact that shtick, if you 
will, is always going to work to

1505
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:29,560
me, Yeah, yeah. 
The Korean War breaks out and 

1506
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:35,600
Noah takes the entrance exam for
this prestigious College in 

1507
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,840
Tokyo. 
In Episode 6, you find out he 

1508
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,600
gets in and I guess we can kind 
of slip and slide down the last 

1509
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:47,880
two or three episodes, right? 
Did you have notes for 6-7 and 

1510
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,800
eight? 
I didn't have notes. 

1511
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,080
I kind of have like broad 
thoughts, OK. 

1512
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,640
Go for it. 
I think it's like coming back 

1513
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,840
from the war. 
So they have a five year time 

1514
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,480
jump. 
They obviously have to rebuild 

1515
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:04,840
from World War 2 and then you 
have the Korean War. 

1516
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:12,400
And so it's like Noah being in 
this college, he's being 

1517
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,560
introduced, it's an expansion of
his worldview. 

1518
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:20,240
You know where up until then you
were talking about earlier in 

1519
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:25,280
the episode where Sonja kind of 
have shield them to an extent. 

1520
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:26,600
She doesn't cry in front of 
them. 

1521
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,520
That was a whole thing in the 
earlier episodes when she's 

1522
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,360
like, never let the kids see you
cry. 

1523
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,560
Always show them your smiling 
face. 

1524
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,320
And so how does that bear out in
Noah's life? 

1525
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,360
He ends up not wanting to go to 
college because of the extra 

1526
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,880
expense the 2400 that the family
can't afford. 

1527
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:46,720
Yeah, and then he all of a 
sudden can go to college and. 

1528
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,680
Right, well, Sunja takes him to 
see his little girl that served 

1529
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,480
the tofu girl. 
The tofu girl. 

1530
01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:56,840
Yes, the tofu girl. 
I love everything that she says 

1531
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,880
to him, but the thing that stuck
out to me was that she's saying 

1532
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,680
your world is very small. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1533
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,240
And very insulated. 
Yes. 

1534
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,880
And you need to get out. 
You're a big fish in a small 

1535
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,000
pond. 
You need to get out to that big 

1536
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,720
pond. 
Yeah. 

1537
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,720
And I think college did that for
him. 

1538
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,880
Yeah. 
To the best and the worst. 

1539
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,560
Negative and positive reasons, 
yes. 

1540
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:26,600
You see the classes that he 
takes and how he's learning and 

1541
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,400
he meets his college girlfriend.
Who I did not like. 

1542
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,960
Oh my gosh, what a Husky. 
I did not like her. 

1543
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,680
At all. 
Oh my God, nothing about her did

1544
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,160
I like to. 
No, I was. 

1545
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:39,960
Struggling. 
Not at all. 

1546
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,880
Yeah. 
I mean, it was clear it was 

1547
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,800
another. 
Like it was clear she was taking

1548
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,920
advantage of him again. 
It was like it was a common 

1549
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:53,080
thread you saw and I was weirded
out on why. 

1550
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,880
And maybe it was just the fact 
that like he just he had a kind 

1551
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:00,720
of innocence from that because 
he was so shielded or whatever. 

1552
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:06,880
But it's like before this he was
so and also obviously he also 

1553
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,560
had that thing of like, I don't 
want to be Korean. 

1554
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:15,000
So I think his girlfriend 
somewhat made him feel Japanese 

1555
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,000
even though she was had ulterior
motives and that's. 

1556
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,480
An interesting take. 
Not a good, not a good person. 

1557
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:28,640
But I think even though he was 
very critical and very in high 

1558
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:33,160
school and like in school before
he went to college, he did not 

1559
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:36,200
like being Korean. 
But he also was, what's the word

1560
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,320
I'm looking for, cynical. 
Like he was suspicious of 

1561
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,920
everybody in college. 
He seemed like all of that went 

1562
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,400
out the window. 
Either he was just like, it was 

1563
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,040
just a, he was excited about 
learning things and having his 

1564
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:53,240
world be expanded, but he didn't
have those same walls up. 

1565
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:57,040
So he didn't see this horrible 
person that he was dating. 

1566
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,760
Let me just say, being taken 
advantage of. 

1567
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:03,040
He was in that relationship. 
Yeah, everybody. 

1568
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:08,080
More often than not, there's a 
crazy story of your first 

1569
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,920
girlfriend or boyfriend in 
college, and rarely does it work

1570
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,440
out right. 
I think this is a classic tale 

1571
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:19,840
as old as Stein thing, where 
he's enticed by her difference 

1572
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:26,480
of opinion and her tenacity and 
her spunk and the attitude, the 

1573
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,840
attitude that stems from her 
privilege. 

1574
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:33,360
Right, exactly. 
You know, so they were not well 

1575
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:34,880
matched at all, but that didn't 
matter. 

1576
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:38,160
It's college. 
He's of age away from home. 

1577
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,680
He's fucking around. 
And I do appreciate that they 

1578
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,480
showed them having different 
conversations and 

1579
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:49,200
interpretations of text, that 
they are like literature that 

1580
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,560
they're learning in class. 
And he's constantly calling her 

1581
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,320
out on her shit, clocking her 
tea. 

1582
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,440
And he's like, you're, you come 
from a privileged background, 

1583
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:01,440
You're Japanese, you have no 
idea what a struggle is. 

1584
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:05,240
And so you're not going to get 
the appeal of whatever this lit 

1585
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:09,720
is or you're not going to get 
what's missing from this 

1586
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,960
literature and what makes it 
flawed throughout. 

1587
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:23,760
He's just reading her and she is
intrigued by his his truth 

1588
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,320
bombs, I guess. 
Yeah, because I don't think 

1589
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,040
she's ever. 
Because she's never had someone 

1590
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,360
challenge her like that. 
Right, right. 

1591
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,720
So that's also part of the 
appeal of each of them staying 

1592
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,720
with the other. 
And she gets a thrill out of 

1593
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,160
like, manipulating him sexually.
Yes, absolutely. 

1594
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:46,240
Absolutely, but he knows this. 
Right, he knows this. 

1595
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,120
He's not ignorant to everything 
that she's doing. 

1596
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:54,120
It was, it was to fit in. 
It was to fit in, I think, yeah,

1597
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,800
I think to an extent it was to 
fit in because he knew he was 

1598
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,120
Korean, she was Japanese. 
Like that was never going to 

1599
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,880
change. 
The moment when he goes to have 

1600
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:10,240
dinner with Hanzu Lehmann Hill's
character and this pernicious 

1601
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:11,720
bitch shows. 
Up to. 

1602
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,520
The dinner. 
Oh, I was so mad. 

1603
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:19,320
I was so mad. 
Just kind of parading and round 

1604
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,920
and looking like I know 
something you don't and I don't 

1605
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:28,320
care that you told me I can't go
here and meet this man. 

1606
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,480
Just so smug. 
So smug. 

1607
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,960
She's so smug and he's she sees 
how he bristles at her coming 

1608
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,600
and entering the space and 
meeting, even though it is such 

1609
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,840
a betrayal. 
And to an extent, like, yeah, he

1610
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,680
did not know at that time that 
Eamon Ho was his dad. 

1611
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,160
I'm sure that he suspected 
there's a deeper connection. 

1612
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,280
Of course, yeah. 
And he obviously, as we said, 

1613
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,760
saw what he did in that field to
that person. 

1614
01:37:59,960 --> 01:38:03,440
Yeah. 
But I think he generally grew to

1615
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:06,320
like those dinners. 
He grew to like the 

1616
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:12,160
conversations that he had with 
Hansu and he, while he was one 

1617
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:16,760
wanting to hide that from people
because it's very clear Hansu's 

1618
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,640
funding his college, he also 
wanted to keep it private 

1619
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,320
because it was something he sort
of looked forward to. 

1620
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,440
Oh, I saw the. 
Other way that he was sort of 

1621
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:29,680
ashamed that he had to pay his 
respects to Hansu every month or

1622
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,520
whatever. 
How interesting. 

1623
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,840
OK. 
Yeah, yeah, that's how I saw it.

1624
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,680
But that's fine. 
Let me. 

1625
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,560
Try your take, too. 
I mean, I mean, I saw. 

1626
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,480
I mean, I understand the ashamed
part because yeah, he did not 

1627
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:41,200
like that he was funding his 
college. 

1628
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,440
Absolutely not. 
Absolutely not. 

1629
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,440
And he didn't understand why. 
Yeah, I definitely agree. 

1630
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:50,560
Like there are aspects of this 
relationship he did not want and

1631
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,120
he did not like. 
Yeah. 

1632
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:56,600
But I think the conversation 
though, he looked forward to 

1633
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:02,240
because Hansu was knowledgeable 
and was able to keep up with his

1634
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,200
thoughts and his 'cause I think 
Noah is a old soul. 

1635
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:09,040
I think yes. 
He was, oh, what a great Oh yes.

1636
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,440
Like, yes, he like Jet, like, 
bickering with this girl and 

1637
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:16,120
going back and forth, but I 
think he even Hoe's character 

1638
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:21,360
gave him a perspective on this 
literature that he's reading 

1639
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,800
that he wasn't getting from 
anybody else in college. 

1640
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,080
So I think he looked forward to 
the conversation and not 

1641
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:33,920
necessarily having to go to 
dinner with this guy and knowing

1642
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,760
that he was funding his college.
But I think the conversation was

1643
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,080
stimulating. 
Stimulating, yeah. 

1644
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,680
All this time, Noah has been 
telling it like it is clocking 

1645
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,800
her shit and like she laughs as 
she says. 

1646
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:54,320
Don't you realize this man is 
your dad referring to Hansu? 

1647
01:39:54,440 --> 01:39:57,280
This man is your father? 
And he flies at her. 

1648
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:00,000
He starts choking around. 
There's like immediate violence.

1649
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:06,240
And he instantly goes back to 
Hansu to verify. 

1650
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:10,760
And Hansu had this opportunity 
to do the right thing. 

1651
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:15,960
Yep, which was. 
Lie, lie and say no, I'm not 

1652
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:20,000
your father. 
Because throughout all of these 

1653
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:26,720
years, it's so clear that Noah 
has a differing personnel. 

1654
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,040
There's these are two disparate 
people, even if they're blood 

1655
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:33,040
related, they have very little 
in common in the way that they 

1656
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,480
think and the way they act. 
Noah is so gentle. 

1657
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:39,360
Right, the product of Sunji 
raising the. 

1658
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,720
Product of Sunji raising him, 
the product of the lessons of 

1659
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:47,400
Isaac, his adoptive father, and 
the fact that Imano looks him in

1660
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:54,040
his face and says yeah, Yep, you
are my son, You are my son, and 

1661
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:57,120
don't you worry about nothing 
because I'm going to pave a way 

1662
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:58,400
for you. 
No one's going to make fun of 

1663
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,760
you. 
No one's going to give you 

1664
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,800
issues or trouble because I will
make it so. 

1665
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,280
Yeah. 
And it scares the shit out of 

1666
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,720
Noah. 
Absolutely. 

1667
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:11,120
And then top it on the fact he 
just went at it with his 

1668
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,040
girlfriend. 
So all of a sudden he's like. 

1669
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,520
I just acted like. 
More like the guy. 

1670
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:17,600
Yeah, I'm just even more like 
the guy. 

1671
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:21,080
It's must be genetic. 
I felt so bad for him in that. 

1672
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,760
It was a whole whirlwind of 
emotions that came over Noah. 

1673
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,560
You feel horrible for him. 
It's crushing. 

1674
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,000
And all these qualities of 
virtue and righteousness and 

1675
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:36,560
forgiveness that he has 
exhibited are called into 

1676
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:37,600
question. 
Right. 

1677
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:43,560
Because this guy, this Yakuza 
asshole, is my dad. 

1678
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:47,440
Yeah, So I love that. 
I I just thought it was so 

1679
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:51,720
devastating and. 
So devastating and to an extent 

1680
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:56,040
I think even Hoe's character. 
Again, I don't think he cared 

1681
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:57,920
about the guy. 
I don't think he cared about 

1682
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:03,960
Sunja, but he needed that. 
There was some like Egotistical 

1683
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:09,080
perspective tyrannical thing of 
like this guy is my bloodline. 

1684
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:13,480
I'm going to do everything in my
power to make him as powerful as

1685
01:42:13,480 --> 01:42:18,120
possible and give him the 
advantages that I had to fight 

1686
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:21,160
for because I can't have a no 
son of mine. 

1687
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:24,560
It's going to be living in a 
farm in the middle of nowhere 

1688
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,000
for the rest of his life like. 
But it was nothing to do with 

1689
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,240
love and nothing to do with 
actually. 

1690
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,680
Caring for him. 
Exactly. 

1691
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,160
It was like, you are going to be
as prestigious as me because my 

1692
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,480
image is everything. 
Yeah. 

1693
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:45,120
So ostensibly this sends Noah 
spiraling and I thought he was 

1694
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:48,400
going to commit suicide. 
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. 

1695
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:50,880
Yeah. 
The way he said by the Sundra, I

1696
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,360
was like, he's gone. 
There's no way. 

1697
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:55,280
There's no way. 
I'm like, he's a goner. 

1698
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:56,760
He's not coming back for Season 
3. 

1699
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:57,440
There's no way. 
Oh. 

1700
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:03,400
Dang, but come to find out, he 
just drops off the map like he 

1701
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:08,200
sells the watch, which was a 
token from season 1 that like he

1702
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:12,040
did the same thing as his mom, 
which was sell it to a pawn shop

1703
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:16,240
to get some cash and just 
started a whole new life in 

1704
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,360
another city. 
I think it was a pachinko parlor

1705
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,120
that he just rocked up to and 
said, hey, do you need help? 

1706
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,160
I'm looking for some part time 
work. 

1707
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:25,880
And the guy was like, you're not
a Korean. 

1708
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,280
You're not one of those. 
Koreans are. 

1709
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:32,080
You and. 
He says no and gives a totally 

1710
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,600
different Japanese name. 
Yeah, just like his teacher. 

1711
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,880
Yeah. 
I'm really curious if we're 

1712
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:43,880
going to get his character in 
season 3 because I either he's 

1713
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,440
gone for the rest of the show 
because, again, we didn't read 

1714
01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:50,440
the book so I have no idea, or 
they're going to find him again 

1715
01:43:50,440 --> 01:43:54,000
eventually and find out what 
happened. 

1716
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,840
Or here, I don't know, maybe he 
has a wife and kid and whatever.

1717
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:04,640
Yeah, but his performance, Kim 
Kun Hoon and Kante Ju, like the 

1718
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:08,920
the kids, the actors who played 
this guy, they were phenomenal. 

1719
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,400
I thought so too. 
Like, they were so good. 

1720
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,440
So good. 
Yeah. 

1721
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,520
OK, we have to. 
We have to talk about the aunt 

1722
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,920
and her husband. 
Oh, like the the aftermath? 

1723
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:21,160
Lead us in. 
Lead us in. 

1724
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:29,600
Oh my God, I hated his character
so much and I felt so bad for 

1725
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,640
her. 
So bad because so he's alive. 

1726
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,200
Even ho saves him, brings him 
back. 

1727
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:41,280
He is AI don't even know like 
he's a jerk. 

1728
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:46,360
He's a jerk the entire time. 
And it's like, oh, woe is me. 

1729
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,560
And yes, it's understandable to 
an extent. 

1730
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,080
Of course you survived the atom 
bomb. 

1731
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:56,160
Like it, like obviously. 
But it's like you are taking it 

1732
01:44:56,160 --> 01:45:00,000
out on your wife and everybody 
around you and you're making 

1733
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,160
everybody miserable and you're 
wallowing in your bedroom 

1734
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:08,680
upstairs and like people are 
walking on egg shells around you

1735
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:13,400
because you can fly off the 
handle anytime at all as. 

1736
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,520
Textbook abusive. 
Exactly. 

1737
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:21,520
The husband's father. 
I thought this was really smart 

1738
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:25,120
of the show to do because maybe 
he could have turned over a new 

1739
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,400
leaf and thought, gosh, I'm 
lucky to be alive. 

1740
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:33,440
I actually survived the fucking 
atom bomb in Nagasaki, and my 

1741
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:37,800
whole family is alive except for
his brother, except for Isaac. 

1742
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,240
But yeah, that had nothing to do
with really wartime, right? 

1743
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,440
You know, there's a lot of 
things to be thankful for. 

1744
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:48,680
And he just fell back on 
bitterness and. 

1745
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:53,000
Yeah, and I think letting his. 
Trauma dictate his whole life 

1746
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:58,080
and being aggressive and 
demanding to his poor wife who 

1747
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:01,440
was praying and desperate for 
him to live in return. 

1748
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,840
Yeah. 
And what I find is really ironic

1749
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,520
is he had that whole 
conversation with Eamon Ho. 

1750
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,320
He was emasculated. 
He never. 

1751
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,360
Recovered. 
He was emasculated, never 

1752
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,520
recovered. 
They both had ego problems and 

1753
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:19,200
he he definitely would not have 
admitted that. 

1754
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,560
He definitely was. 
Like I'm nothing like Eamon Ho's

1755
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,520
character. 
I'm nothing like Hansu, I care 

1756
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,000
about my family blah blah blah 
blah blah. 

1757
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,320
Dude, you're exactly like him. 
You're exactly like him when it 

1758
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:35,000
comes to ego and narcissism. 
Answer just as dressed nicer. 

1759
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:36,720
Like it. 
It was. 

1760
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:38,960
Really. 
I found it really ironic that 

1761
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:42,280
this guy hated even host 
character so much and then ended

1762
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:47,280
up basically destroying this 
family in a way. 

1763
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:50,680
Yeah, being a burden when he 
really didn't have to be. 

1764
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:54,880
No, exactly like once he. 
Recovered, he didn't really take

1765
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,160
up the mantle of leading the 
family and providing for the 

1766
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:04,200
family and just even doing the 
baseline things that the gender 

1767
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,760
rules said he should do. 
He just wanted the title of 

1768
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,520
being head of the family. 
Right, exactly. 

1769
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,200
And didn't do any of the. 
Work to support the family. 

1770
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,960
Yeah. 
And then berated his wife for 

1771
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:21,000
like, her cooking. 
It was sad. 

1772
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:25,840
Yeah, so I mean, I can't blame 
his wife because they never, 

1773
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,720
they never. 
Other than that kiss, then 

1774
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,880
nothing, if I remember 
correctly, nothing happened 

1775
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,080
beyond that. 
But it was definitely like an 

1776
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:38,000
emotional affair that scenes 
that she would have in that 

1777
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:43,000
house where he they like avoided
each other obviously with the 

1778
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,200
bodyguard. 
And like you could like I 

1779
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,840
remember there was I don't 
remember what episode was it was

1780
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,160
like she was laying in bed and 
he was eating an apple or eating

1781
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,680
something that was making noise 
in the kitchen. 

1782
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,120
And it's like she knew it was 
him in that room. 

1783
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:01,320
She knew just because. 
She left that food out for him. 

1784
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,240
Right, right. 
It's like those little things 

1785
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:08,640
you saw in the last two or three
episodes of they're not like 

1786
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,920
sneaking around because they're 
not having a physical affair, 

1787
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,480
but like they're definitely 
having emotional affair and like

1788
01:48:13,480 --> 01:48:17,600
doing these small little things,
which everybody knows is 

1789
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:19,840
obviously. 
There's attraction, there's 

1790
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,400
tension, there's. 
Yeah. 

1791
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:27,240
An understanding between them 
and he, you know, I guess that 

1792
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,200
character's name is Chungho. 
Chungho, the bodyguard. 

1793
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,400
Is his love based on pity? 
I don't know, maybe. 

1794
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,200
A little bit maybe. 
Maybe maybe also the thrill of 

1795
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:45,560
she's highborn and he's not. 
So this class divide is also 

1796
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:49,600
between them. 
And I'm sure that, as he said in

1797
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,600
one of the episodes, like, we 
would never even be able to talk

1798
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,360
if we were back in Korea. 
Right. 

1799
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:59,280
And I think also to an extent, I
think the instinct kind of what 

1800
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,520
came in too is like he is a 
bodyguard. 

1801
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:06,800
So when he's seeing this 
horrible man just like berate 

1802
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:09,120
his wife. 
Yeah, the protection instinct, I

1803
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:10,760
guess. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1804
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,320
I think to an extent that kind 
of kicked in too, but yeah, 

1805
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,120
yeah. 
Yeah, that that Yosef was like a

1806
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:22,880
waste roll, so unreliable, just 
turning everybody upside down, 

1807
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,440
inside out. 
And I love Musashu, who's now a 

1808
01:49:26,440 --> 01:49:32,360
teenager again, going toe to toe
with Yosef and saying like, 

1809
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,520
can't you just like, do 
something? 

1810
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:40,600
Why are you here? 
Like and talk shit at the dinner

1811
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:41,760
table. 
Yeah. 

1812
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,000
Which again, I feel like in the 
West that would be a lot more 

1813
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,840
acceptable to disrespect an 
elder like that. 

1814
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,360
Oh, of course. 
Absolutely, yeah. 

1815
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:55,600
But it's really charged here 
because that's not typical. 

1816
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,160
Like, they need to fall in line.
He is the eldest. 

1817
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,640
He is the technically head of 
the family. 

1818
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:06,680
He's, you know, got all this 
clout, but he's not delivering 

1819
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,120
on the responsibilities. 
Right. 

1820
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:13,320
Yeah. 
And the fact that she, like, how

1821
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:16,120
long was he in that? 
Well, it wasn't it like over a 

1822
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,600
year that he'd never left that 
house. 

1823
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,000
It was at least a year, if not 
more. 

1824
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:24,800
And again, he obviously is 
covered in scars and. 

1825
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,000
Whatever. 
Or maybe it was long, maybe it 

1826
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,440
was way longer that I don't 
know. 

1827
01:50:28,440 --> 01:50:30,640
It was a really long time. 
Yeah. 

1828
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:35,600
Because when he finally did 
leave, they saw that like 

1829
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:38,480
baseball game. 
I think it was baseball. 

1830
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:44,920
Yeah, the American pastime. 
And look, Japanese to this day 

1831
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,240
fucking love baseball. 
Love baseball. 

1832
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,120
Love baseball? 
Yeah. 

1833
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,600
The fact that it took you a 
baseball game to realize your 

1834
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:59,280
wife was unhappy. 
The joy of life, what he's been 

1835
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,520
missing. 
Yeah, and then God, when they, 

1836
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,320
when she had to let him go, when
she had to say bye to him. 

1837
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,920
Oh no, stop. 
Because actually, the bodyguard,

1838
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,440
come to find out, he's like 
North Korean. 

1839
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,360
Yeah, yeah. 
I don't know if he was from 

1840
01:51:14,440 --> 01:51:17,360
Pyongyang, but he, I can't 
remember, but he was basically 

1841
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,080
eating up all of his communist 
propaganda. 

1842
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:22,960
Yeah. 
And wanting to join the Korean 

1843
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,040
War, right. 
And fight on behalf of the 

1844
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:26,200
North. 
Yes. 

1845
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:31,720
And their goodbye. 
Again, I was bawling my eyes 

1846
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:37,440
out. 
Anyway, Long story short, the 

1847
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:42,880
Yosef ends up even withholding 
letters that the bodyguard sends

1848
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,920
to her. 
Very notebook style. 

1849
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,640
I guess he was like, well, if 
she stayed even after I told her

1850
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:52,320
she could leave with him back to
Korea, then I'm going to make 

1851
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,960
sure she stays here like that. 
She's loyal, right? 

1852
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:56,920
And there's no contact between 
them. 

1853
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:00,280
So we're never seeing that. 
Just such an insecure little 

1854
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:04,280
man. 
So insecure and so yeah. 

1855
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:07,440
And I don't think we see we 
don't have him in the 80s, 

1856
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,280
right, or present day. 
I don't think so. 

1857
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:13,560
No, no, we don't have any I. 
Can't remember. 

1858
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,960
I can't remember if they said. 
I mean, I can't imagine he'd 

1859
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,160
live another 40 years after 
getting an atom bomb to the 

1860
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:21,760
face. 
But that's true. 

1861
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,160
That's true. 
Anyway, that's neither here nor 

1862
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,840
there. 
Oh, let's talk about NSY and the

1863
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,400
whole backstabbing that happens 
really fast. 

1864
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,840
Yeah, which we kind of touched 
on cuz Solomon being a jerk for 

1865
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:37,440
most. 
Solomon's an asshole, but NSY is

1866
01:52:37,480 --> 01:52:40,920
also an asshole and they are 
actually really well matched. 

1867
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,040
They are. 
They are very well matched, yes.

1868
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:44,720
Right. 
They're both in the same 

1869
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:48,400
corporate world of billion 
dollar real estate. 

1870
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,960
She is very competent at her job
and the only thing that holds 

1871
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:53,280
her back is the fact that she's 
a woman. 

1872
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,240
So she's facing gender 
discrimination in the workplace.

1873
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,640
Yep, major. 
Their whole romance really gets 

1874
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:03,960
going when he tells her to a 
face like you should run. 

1875
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:05,640
You should be running this place
right? 

1876
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:09,880
You're the best person they got 
here and starts to compliment 

1877
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:13,480
her in in a valid way because 
it's all true. 

1878
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:17,920
And she was like, thank you, I 
agree. 

1879
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:22,240
Let's get together. 
Come to find out she is also 

1880
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,440
highborn, right? 
Like technically she comes from 

1881
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:29,520
a wealthy background. 
Her parents have expectations of

1882
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:33,240
who she should marry And instead
of and this is classic K drama. 

1883
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:38,600
I have to say classic K drama 
and they're an interracial 

1884
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:44,920
couple and instead of in the 80s
and instead of her being proud 

1885
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:49,440
of him and showing him off and 
introducing him to her family 

1886
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:53,720
like he like she ends up getting
introduced to his family because

1887
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:57,920
she meets Sonja. 
She keeps everything about them 

1888
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:02,760
a secret and still continues to 
see the guy that she has an 

1889
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,320
arranged engagement with, 
arranged marriage with. 

1890
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:09,960
And the moment that he goes to 
see her in the restaurant, he 

1891
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:11,560
follows her from work to the 
restaurant. 

1892
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,640
She said she had all this work 
she had to do, yadda yadda. 

1893
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:18,000
Can't meet tonight. 
So he's already suspicious after

1894
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,720
getting those photographs from 
the the Yakuza again. 

1895
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,600
I who are these guys? 
The Yakuza is now in real 

1896
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:25,720
estate. 
OK, fine. 

1897
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,560
They've always been a real 
estate, definitely. 

1898
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:32,320
It's like the mafia, like mafia 
is always in real estate. 

1899
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:35,480
Yeah. 
So it was just a little like off

1900
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,200
putting, I guess. 
Is everyone that part of the 

1901
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,080
Yukos? 
I had all these questions and I 

1902
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:44,240
I I think I just missed it. 
But anyway, they tell him she's 

1903
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:47,320
cheating on you. 
There's something about her that

1904
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:52,320
we we have this on her. 
You can use it to get what you 

1905
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:53,960
want. 
And he has to confirm for 

1906
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:57,440
himself and he make locks eyes 
with her in the restaurant in 

1907
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:01,080
the mirror, which again, every 
time you have a mirror, it's 

1908
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:03,160
like an identity crisis 
somebody's two faced. 

1909
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,280
She doesn't acknowledge him. 
Yep. 

1910
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:10,080
She looks away the moment she 
sees him in the mirror though. 

1911
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,800
I love how her facial 
expressions. 

1912
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:15,160
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
Expert. 

1913
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,360
Definitely expert. 
And that's it. 

1914
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:22,320
He decides to break up with her.
Get his revenge on her and let 

1915
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:24,640
as well as everybody else. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1916
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:28,160
But I mean, even before that, 
when they break up, he's like, 

1917
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:31,040
would you what? 
I can't remember what he even 

1918
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:34,600
says to her, but he's like, can 
you promise to not to not take 

1919
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:37,280
meetings with this dude that 
your parents want you to marry 

1920
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:42,000
and be loyal to me and be proud 
of this relationship basically. 

1921
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:44,760
And she says I'll try. 
Yeah. 

1922
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:50,240
He's like not good enough bye. 
And that that turns into he gets

1923
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:50,800
her fired. 
He. 

1924
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:53,560
Gets her fired. 
He knows how. 

1925
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:59,640
Like it's funny because she even
though in this workplace she's 

1926
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:04,760
trying to climb to the top and 
trying to bite and breakthrough 

1927
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:07,720
that glass ceiling, that is 
gender discrimination. 

1928
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,440
He's doing the same thing but in
their relationship. 

1929
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,400
He never could do that with her 
family. 

1930
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:18,800
So he's not going to let her do 
that at work. 

1931
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:21,600
At this point, it was life or 
death for him because the 

1932
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:25,680
accuser was basically like, OK, 
we need to get this deal done 

1933
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:29,680
now or else we're going to take 
it out on you and your flesh. 

1934
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,840
So you choose, right? 
Right. 

1935
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,720
But I mean, he was an asshole 
doing it. 

1936
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,520
I mean, it wasn't it wasn't a 
good look for him. 

1937
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:40,960
I. 
Mean and the shot of the old 

1938
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,920
lady leaving her property. 
Yeah. 

1939
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:49,160
With nothing, nothing, she just 
has her dog and he doesn't get 

1940
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:54,640
out of the car to say anything 
to her, to offer any words of 

1941
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:57,440
encouragement, to say you did 
the right thing. 

1942
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,080
Nothing. 
She just leaves with this, with 

1943
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:04,520
this giant wad of cash in her 
bank account and everything that

1944
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,080
she built is gone. 
He made her give up this 

1945
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:15,080
property that she had lived with
trauma and the suspicions that 

1946
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:19,520
this property is literally 
sitting on top of bones, right? 

1947
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,520
It was. 
I mean, it's like unassailable. 

1948
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,120
How do you do that? 
Right? 

1949
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:28,240
How do you how do you exploit 
that and her trauma? 

1950
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,320
He's an asshole. 
He's an asshole, yeah. 

1951
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:36,640
So yeah, a lot to unpack there. 
But just to wrap it up, I think 

1952
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:40,200
that it was very telling that 
Anna Soy's character doesn't cry

1953
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:43,680
when she breaks up with Solomon.
She cries when she's fired. 

1954
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,360
Absolutely, yeah. 
That was her priority. 

1955
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:48,880
That was where she wanted to 
excel in. 

1956
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:53,800
And I think she also, she's 
meeting this guy for an arranged

1957
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:55,240
marriage. 
It's the 80s. 

1958
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:59,000
It's very traditional. 
She comes from a high class 

1959
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:00,720
family. 
So they obviously have 

1960
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,400
traditions that lower class 
families don't. 

1961
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:08,120
I mean, it's old blood, right? 
Maybe to an extent too. 

1962
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:10,800
And this is how I kind of 
interpret it is like she's going

1963
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,720
to be a housewife. 
She's not. 

1964
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,400
And she doesn't want that. 
She does not want that. 

1965
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:19,880
But her getting fired, she's 
gonna have to accept that, you 

1966
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,560
know, because she's gonna marry 
this guy. 

1967
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:26,000
And that was her second. 
Yeah, maybe. 

1968
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,520
Yeah. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1969
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,280
Or at least in a way that she 
could marry this guy and still 

1970
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:34,360
have the job, you know, and 
maybe she had. 

1971
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,400
We didn't really get insight of 
her relationship with her family

1972
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:39,320
other than them wanting her to 
meet this guy. 

1973
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:42,480
So maybe it was kind of a 
rebellion thing where she had 

1974
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,520
this job. 
And and they they hint at that 

1975
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,320
too, with I think she had slept 
with the white guy. 

1976
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:51,600
Yeah, she did. 
And he says, like, maybe it was 

1977
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:54,920
this, maybe it was that. 
Maybe it was because it was the 

1978
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:58,320
thrill of just the rebellion of 
it all. 

1979
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:03,760
She's sleeping with a white guy 
very, very similar to Noah and 

1980
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:06,280
his college girlfriend. 
Absolutely. 

1981
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:07,720
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

1982
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,720
Generational. 
Gosh, I don't have much to say 

1983
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:13,680
much else to say other than as a
woman. 

1984
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,320
I was very sad and I empathize 
with her. 

1985
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:20,960
Absolutely, yeah. 
But that's just the way the 

1986
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,920
cookie crumbles. 
Yeah, I mean, like, at the end 

1987
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,360
of the day, they both jabbed at 
each other. 

1988
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:29,960
Like I think both of them did 
bad things to each other to get 

1989
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:33,960
what they want and to get ahead.
And she lost. 

1990
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,640
Like she lost. 
That's that's plain and simple. 

1991
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:41,040
Is like she threw him under the 
bus multiple times and he did 

1992
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:43,040
the same. 
Doesn't make him a better 

1993
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,320
person. 
Absolutely not. 

1994
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:46,920
But it also doesn't make her a 
St. either. 

1995
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:51,040
I think this relationship was 
never going to work out. 

1996
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:56,360
They had too much ambition 
between the two and the work 

1997
01:59:56,360 --> 02:00:01,760
environment that they worked in 
did not cater to collaboration, 

1998
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:05,040
they catered to competition. 
And. 

1999
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,800
So it eventually was going to 
come to this boiling point where

2000
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,520
someone in that between the two 
of them was going to win, at 

2001
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:15,240
least professionally. 
And I mean, at the beginning of 

2002
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:19,320
the season, he was the one 
losing because he had gotten 

2003
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:22,400
fired and was trying to figure 
out what to do next. 

2004
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:28,040
She was still working there. 
Wow, we've unpacked a lot and I 

2005
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think we're at the end of the 
show. 

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So there's this one quote I I 
did write down. 

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I think this was at the very end
of the show. 

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Like I know what happened in the
last episode but I want to say 

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it was like the last scene maybe
OK, or maybe Noah's was the last

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scene but either way I'll. 
Read Oh, Noah's was the last 

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scene. 
You're right. 

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Well, this definitely happened 
in the show. 

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So it says it was Sonja when he 
was she was talking to her son 

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at the kitchen table. 
In the present day, it was her 

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and. 
Massage. 

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Shoe. 
Yeah. 

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Massage shoe, whatever it is, 
you and I are here though so 

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many of those we have loved are 
gone. 

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We are here sitting at this 
table and Solomon is here as 

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well. 
And you were saying earlier 

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where the food was a huge thing,
mainly more in season 1 than 

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season 2. 
But I think they had a lot of 

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shots anytime they were in this 
household in the present day 

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house around this kitchen table.
And I think that, I mean, I 

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think overall people view the 
kitchen table overall in a 

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household as one of those type 
gathering places, you know, so. 

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And I think, I mean, due to this
being around food and Korean 

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culture is around food in 
general, I think it was kind of 

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fitting. 
Fitting. 

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Yeah, it was fitting to have 
these more serious and I mean, 

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granted most of the most of the 
shots of her kitchen table in 

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the present day was dark 
lighting. 

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It was usually not happy moments
because it was only her and her 

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son living in the house, but it 
was still around this kitchen 

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table and it was still that 
centerpiece of family that you 

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see throughout the generations 
in this show. 

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So I I felt that was very 
fitting. 

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And then the quote helped it 
along due to we're still a 

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family. 
We're still here, no matter 

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who's around this table and 
who's not. 

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I like that. 
So season 3, hopefully we find 

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out what happened. 
I mean, again, we haven't read 

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the book, so we don't know. 
We're just going off of the TV 

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show. 
Yeah, you know, we're going to 

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find out what happens to Noah, 
what happens to the rest of the 

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family. 
And I still think it's a, it's a

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fantastic show. 
Highly recommend. 

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If you've gone this far and 
we've spoiled the shit out of it

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for you, definitely sit there 
and watch it. 

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It's only 8 episodes. 
I did a free trial of Apple TV 

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Plus to binge it in like two or 
three days. 

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You can do that, or you could 
just purchase a month of Apple 

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TV Plus and watch it. 
I also ending on season 4 I 

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wanna say OK so you could also 
just wait until all Four Seasons

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are out in the next and just. 
Watch four years. 

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In the next seven years. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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The way that streamers put out, 
it's a different conversation 

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that I feel like I've already 
had. 

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But yeah, thank you so much for 
going on this journey with me 

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through the 40s and 50s and 80s 
in Japan. 

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It was a very rich text. 
Oh absolutely, and I don't think

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we even delved in everything. 
We didn't we didn't cover 

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everything. 
There's going to be something 

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like we stopped this podcast and
be like, oh shit, we didn't talk

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about this. 
And that happens for every 

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podcast, right? 
There's only so much you can 

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cover. 
It is 8 hours of television. 

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We can't cover that much. 
But I think we tried our best 

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and we'd love to talk to you 
guys more about Season 2 of 

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Pachinko if you'd like. 
Caitlin, where can people find 

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you online? 
You can find me on Instagram, 

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TikTok, maybe I saw the YouTube 
channel. 

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You can find me on YouTube as 
well under the same name. 

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No sleep, the number 4 dramas. 
I also have the podcast which I 

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put on YouTube and Spotify. 
So yeah, DM me, hit me up. 

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Nice. 
Thank you again, Caitlin. 

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And that's been our show. 
I'm Jessica and this has been 

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the Taybot K Rambles podcast.