1 00:00:18,130 --> 00:00:21,500 I'm Jessica, and this is ATC presents devak rambles, where a 2 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:23,420 couple of friends review Korean dramas. 3 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:28,780 And today, on a very special episode of season three, I have 4 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:30,950 my usual co-host, Rico with me. How are you? 5 00:00:31,010 --> 00:00:34,990 Hey, I am back, baby. I'm excited. 6 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:37,530 I'm excited to be back. It's been a while. 7 00:00:37,580 --> 00:00:41,810 My work schedule has kind of kept me away from being able to 8 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:44,810 review shows on a on a consistent basis. 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,070 Yeah, but I'm glad to be back. So this is gonna be fun. 10 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,810 I'm glad to have you back. I'm glad to have you back on a 11 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:55,350 very fun episode. I imagine we'll have a ton of 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,530 fun reviewing vinchenzo. Hey. 13 00:00:59,420 --> 00:01:01,750 Yeah, we've been watching this. A really long time. 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,610 It feels like we've both been watching vinchenzo for like, 15 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:06,670 months. It is finally here. 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,270 We're finally done. We're going to review it. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,690 Yes, there were times waiting for this episode to be recorded 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,650 that I had to like, go back and, like, refresh my memory on 19 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:19,650 certain things. So like, I had to like go online 20 00:01:19,660 --> 00:01:22,310 as like, hold on, does this happen in this episode or that 21 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,270 episode and like, stuff like that. 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,560 So I'm excited, though. Yeah, I'm excited to have you 23 00:01:28,570 --> 00:01:30,090 back. We're going to get started. 24 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:32,970 We're going to get. 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Yeah, that's right. 42 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,300 So I'm going to get started on reading the my drama list 43 00:02:29,310 --> 00:02:32,160 synopsis for Vincenzo and then we're going to get going. 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,500 Mindrum Melissa Nosis reads at the age of 8, pachu Young went 45 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:39,470 to Italy after he was adopted. He is now an adult and has the 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,690 name of Vincenzo Cassano. He is a lawyer who works for the 47 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:46,350 Mafia as a conciliary because of a war between mafia groups. 48 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:48,630 He flees to South Korea and South Korea. 49 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,650 He gets involved with lawyer Hong Chau Young. 50 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:53,570 She is the type of attorney who will do anything to win a case. 51 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:55,530 Vincenzo Cassano falls in love with her. 52 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:58,310 He is also. He also achieves social justice 53 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,580 by his own way. Alright, so this show originally 54 00:03:02,590 --> 00:03:07,540 aired from February to May 2021. It is firmly a pandemic show and 55 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:10,140 it was released almost simultaneously on Netflix. 56 00:03:10,150 --> 00:03:13,300 So the international audience got to see it basically at the 57 00:03:13,310 --> 00:03:14,800 same time as the Korean audience. 58 00:03:14,810 --> 00:03:18,400 And that's where it got a lot of fame because it was in like the 59 00:03:18,410 --> 00:03:21,480 top 10 for Netflix and stuff as it was airing. 60 00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:25,820 Vincenzo is 20 episodes long. It's directed by a female 61 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:29,000 director, Kim Yuan. She's directed soundtrack number 62 00:03:29,010 --> 00:03:33,080 one, also at Disney plus. Show the crown clown from 2019, 63 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:35,680 which we'll be covering later in the season. 64 00:03:35,830 --> 00:03:40,180 Warm and cozy from 2015, and she's currently directing little 65 00:03:40,190 --> 00:03:45,260 women from with Kim Goeun and yeah, a bunch of people. 66 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:49,640 A bunch of big names are in little women based on the Louisa 67 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:52,000 May Alcott. Book. 68 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:54,820 That's really cool, yeah. But it's supposed to be a 69 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:58,080 mystery thriller. So totally different tone than 70 00:03:58,090 --> 00:04:00,580 be the changing the genre completely. 71 00:04:00,770 --> 00:04:05,320 Yeah, absolutely. Vincenzo is written by a male 72 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:09,400 screenwriter, which is pretty rare in for Kdramas POC jibboom. 73 00:04:09,410 --> 00:04:13,700 He wrote the fiery priest good manager blood from 2015, which I 74 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:16,279 do not recommend. I do not like blood. 75 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:20,700 He also wrote the Good Doctor from 2013 and if that name 76 00:04:20,709 --> 00:04:23,440 sounds familiar. It was later licensed and turned 77 00:04:23,450 --> 00:04:26,140 into an American series from ABC with Freddie Highmore. 78 00:04:26,190 --> 00:04:31,560 So that is a export of Korea. Yes, it is. 79 00:04:31,570 --> 00:04:35,720 Yes, Vincenzo Stars song junkie as Vincenzo Cassano, the title 80 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:38,440 character. We've seen him before from 81 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:43,120 descendants of the Sun Rigos. We have season one. 82 00:04:44,980 --> 00:04:47,090 Descendants of the sun. That was a season. 83 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:49,100 He's awesome. Was that a season one or season 84 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:52,350 one? That's a season one, yes. 85 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,570 So swirl back in your podcast feed if you want to hear our 86 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:58,370 thoughts on descendants of the Sun from 2016, it's on. 87 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:00,750 Juki is basically a household name. 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,510 He's been in Arthal chronicles, the innocent man from 2012, I 89 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,020 think. My favorite Korean movie? 90 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:10,600 A werewolf boy as well. I say that like with a great 91 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:14,130 insult because sometimes Korean movies are like my internal 92 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:16,400 lists of favorite. These changes every so often, 93 00:05:16,410 --> 00:05:19,160 but a werewolf boy holds a very high place in my heart. 94 00:05:20,460 --> 00:05:25,190 The show also stars Dong Yoo bin as Hong Chi Yong, and she's been 95 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,390 in B melodramatic and save me from 2017. 96 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,210 She's basically a newcomer new face to the K drama world. 97 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:36,190 Yeah, haven't seen her really in much. 98 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:40,660 Tachyon as Jung Jung. Sorry, I'm already laughing 99 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:45,360 because of tachyon. Anyway, he plays Jang Junu and 100 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:49,400 he's been in Secret Royal Inspector and Joy save me from 101 00:05:49,410 --> 00:05:52,880 2017. So him and Junior bin were in 102 00:05:52,890 --> 00:05:54,960 the same drama together. Bring it on. 103 00:05:54,970 --> 00:05:58,470 Ghost from 2016. Dream High from 2011 again. 104 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,380 Dream high circling around. I feel like every episode I 105 00:06:01,390 --> 00:06:03,650 mentioned dream high, do you know? 106 00:06:03,770 --> 00:06:08,120 Take on this. No, I'm not sure. 107 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:13,920 OK, that is OK tachyon is the rapper from the KPOP group, 2:00 108 00:06:13,930 --> 00:06:15,780 PM. OK. 109 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:17,990 OK. Does that ring? 110 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,510 Anyway? You've never seen anything from 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,660 two? I haven't, actually. 112 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:23,710 I gotta send you like a few music videos after this so you 113 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,330 can see like taking on an action at the peak of his career and 114 00:06:27,340 --> 00:06:29,090 when that the peak of his career, but the peak of his 115 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:30,950 music career, so to speak. Gotcha. 116 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,220 We've got a few side characters of note. 117 00:06:33,230 --> 00:06:37,030 I'll say. Kim Yoojin plays Chum Yoongi and 118 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,270 she's been in about 16 movies and a bunch of TV. 119 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,210 Like throw rock and you'll hit K drama that she's been in. 120 00:06:43,340 --> 00:06:46,990 Extracurricular from 2020. Itaewon class from 2020 rookie. 121 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:50,060 Durango head Yong where stars then my secretary is loving the 122 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:52,740 moonlight, tears of heaven. Angel has so many, so many. 123 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:57,270 She's been in a lot of K dramas. We also have quantong young as 124 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:03,160 chairman Jang Hansel and he's been in big mouth from 2022. 125 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:05,220 That's where you might see him now. 126 00:07:05,330 --> 00:07:07,540 He's starring in Big mouth, our beloved summer. 127 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:10,200 It's OK to not be OK. He was like a side character in 128 00:07:10,210 --> 00:07:14,430 that so many kdramas as well. He's a common name, common face. 129 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,750 Alright, so all that out of the way, Rico. 130 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:23,290 What did you think of in Genzo? Before we do that, do you have a 131 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:26,130 question on your face? Yeah, because when you said he 132 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:32,430 was in big mouth, for me, big mouth is, it's a Netflix show. 133 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,710 It's an animated show from Netflix. 134 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,030 I don't think we're talking about the same thing, though. 135 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,850 No, it's a currently airing kdrama. 136 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:45,170 We're recording this in September of 2022, and Big Mouth 137 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:46,850 is currently airing. Gotcha. 138 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:47,930 Yeah. OK. 139 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:50,800 So. And new one or the show. 140 00:07:50,810 --> 00:07:54,660 But anyway, OK, so this show Vincenzo. 141 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:59,280 I think that this is a very well done show. 142 00:07:59,290 --> 00:08:03,920 I love the way the show looks. It has such a high production 143 00:08:03,930 --> 00:08:07,020 value to it. I think that the acting 144 00:08:07,030 --> 00:08:10,640 performances are very good throughout the entire show. 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,010 There's a couple of qualms I have where the show kind of 146 00:08:16,020 --> 00:08:22,090 starts off like a oh, it's going to be like a mafia type of show, 147 00:08:22,340 --> 00:08:25,950 but then the show kind of like diverts itself into more of like 148 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,770 a law drama, kind of like a sitcom almost. 149 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,710 In some ways. This is again, this is another 150 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,630 thing that I have about Korean shows, is that they like to 151 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,510 dabble in multiple types of genres in one show. 152 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:45,980 Yeah. And it kind of, you know, you're 153 00:08:45,990 --> 00:08:49,000 in a very serious moment at one moment and then you hear like 154 00:08:49,010 --> 00:08:52,120 the light fluttery music and then they're like flirting with 155 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:55,280 each other and it's like a romcom and it's like. 156 00:08:55,980 --> 00:09:01,090 I it's so hard to put it like wrap your head around and stay 157 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:04,880 in the moment without being like, well, this show just 158 00:09:04,890 --> 00:09:09,770 changed all of a sudden. With that said though, even with 159 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:13,550 the qualm that I have with that. I think that this is a very good 160 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,850 show. Um, it, it ranks a little higher 161 00:09:16,860 --> 00:09:21,100 in my own personal the ones that we've done together here on on 162 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:23,990 the show, I think you're number one has consistently been 163 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:27,230 signal. Yes it has and it still is. 164 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:31,110 Not to say that this is bad or anything. 165 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:35,030 This I I would have to go back and look at my rankings. 166 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:38,900 It's probably somewhere in that maybe like 4 to 5 range, 167 00:09:38,910 --> 00:09:42,900 somewhere in there out of the shows that we've done so kind of 168 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:47,240 high for me. I really enjoy the performance 169 00:09:47,730 --> 00:09:52,410 by Song Junkie. Song junkie, yeah, he plays 170 00:09:52,420 --> 00:09:57,030 Vincenzo. There is a seriousness to the 171 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,630 character that I do like that he brings. 172 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:06,850 Also, I do like when he does have interactions with Hong Chao 173 00:10:06,860 --> 00:10:11,070 Young, who's played by Jean Xu bin, right? 174 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,190 Is that how you pronounce her real name? 175 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:15,310 Her real name? Jung. 176 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,170 Jobin. Jobin. 177 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,230 So their interactions together are really good. 178 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:26,700 I really enjoy them as a couple. The the things that happened 179 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,810 throughout the show, I think there's some very nice moments 180 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:33,860 of sweetness between them, but also them working together as 181 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:37,170 the show progresses. I think you see a good 182 00:10:37,180 --> 00:10:40,510 established relationship between the two, so I really enjoy 183 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:45,400 their. Their chemistry, their 184 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:50,920 interactions and then the third character that I like a lot as 185 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:56,680 well is the. He is the I'm trying. 186 00:10:57,110 --> 00:11:00,800 What is his name? But he's basically like the 187 00:11:00,810 --> 00:11:04,860 brother who who's part of the Babble group. 188 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:08,320 But he's not evil. Yes. 189 00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:10,320 OK, well, that's a spoiler, but yeah. 190 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:13,550 Chairman Jang Hansel, he's played by the last person on 191 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:16,150 this list, Kwak Dong Yeon. There we go. 192 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:21,250 Quack Don Young, he's the half brother and we'll kind of just 193 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:22,990 leave it at that, OK? That's it. 194 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:28,010 So so you like to these characters I really like the 195 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:32,430 most and I I found myself gravitating towards as I'm 196 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,580 watching this show. So overall I really had fun with 197 00:11:36,590 --> 00:11:39,790 the show. I think it is a very good show 198 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,410 to watch. There's a couple moments that 199 00:11:43,420 --> 00:11:46,600 stand out for me, but then there's a couple of moments that 200 00:11:46,610 --> 00:11:51,990 I'm just like, uh, not sure if we needed either this plot line 201 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,190 or even to spend time here in this moment, but overall, a 202 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,650 pretty good show. How about you, Jessica? 203 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,330 Alright, so I had high expectations for this show 204 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:05,390 because everyone in their mom sings Vincenzo's praises. 205 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:11,310 It's a well regarded show that I happened to completely miss when 206 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,650 it was originally airing and I love song junkie like facts. 207 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:21,210 I came into this with high expectations in the first 208 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:24,180 episode, again, like you said, made me think it was going to be 209 00:12:24,190 --> 00:12:28,240 a very high stakes, high intensity mafia show. 210 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:30,840 The Italy sequences were stunning. 211 00:12:30,890 --> 00:12:34,020 I was blown away by that whole intro sequence. 212 00:12:34,030 --> 00:12:37,680 And then I was like expecting that tone throughout the show. 213 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:41,960 That was not the case at all. There was so much more slapstick 214 00:12:42,010 --> 00:12:46,460 comedy and generally light, ridiculous sequences in comedy 215 00:12:46,470 --> 00:12:50,370 than I wanted. I was expecting and wanting a 216 00:12:50,380 --> 00:12:55,010 darker tone. If they had stuck more to that 217 00:12:55,060 --> 00:12:57,450 then I think I would have liked the show better, but it was 218 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:59,990 always teetering between genres, between. 219 00:13:00,740 --> 00:13:09,160 This antihero dark law drama and this ridiculous light. 220 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,710 Comedy. Situational comedy. 221 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,790 Like you said you were like, oh, it's kind of like sitcom. 222 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,810 Yeah, it is. I was not as invested as other 223 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:21,960 people with the Gunga Guha Plaza. 224 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:28,270 Inhabitants I really. This is this is a main storyline 225 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,610 that I don't understand why it it played such a big role. 226 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:37,950 The Gunga Plaza residents were not why I was invested at all. 227 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,470 If you can call me being invested in vinchenzo, I think 228 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,080 that. They were just very distracting 229 00:13:47,090 --> 00:13:49,200 to me. I didn't find them that funny at 230 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:51,000 times. I think towards the end of the 231 00:13:51,010 --> 00:13:54,060 show they started to grow on me because they left some of the 232 00:13:54,070 --> 00:13:58,460 comedy behind in favor of them becoming more coming more into 233 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:02,780 the fold of the vinchenzo machinations and their grand 234 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:07,610 plan. I just didn't like the. 235 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,870 The tone of the show, the pacing of the show, and when I say 236 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,170 pacing, I mean, why was it 20 episodes, more than an hour 237 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,690 apiece per episode? Another thing that I 238 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:21,830 consistently struggle with, and this is, you've known me on 239 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,910 this, yeah, but I struggled with this too, on this show. 240 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,440 I was very distraught when I consistently paused at the hour 241 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:32,920 mark, and I was like, there's fucking there's more time more. 242 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:35,770 What else can they possibly put in this episode? 243 00:14:35,780 --> 00:14:37,850 I feel like they could have definitely trimmed down the 244 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:41,360 episodes, trimmed down the fat. Left some stuff on the cutting 245 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:47,280 room floor versus stuffing each episode to the brim with content 246 00:14:47,290 --> 00:14:50,260 that I wasn't, you know, compelled by. 247 00:14:50,570 --> 00:14:54,960 Would you say that this would have been better served as a 16 248 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:59,700 episode rather than the 2100% because there was enough to cut 249 00:14:59,710 --> 00:15:01,900 out to drop it down to six? Oh yeah. 250 00:15:01,950 --> 00:15:05,300 And get it really tight, you know, tight story. 251 00:15:05,370 --> 00:15:08,320 Yeah. Yeah, that's that's where I kind 252 00:15:08,330 --> 00:15:11,770 of struggle with is. A lot of time, at least this is 253 00:15:11,780 --> 00:15:15,150 just for me personally. A lot of the times on the Korean 254 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,870 shows, there's a lot of different plot lines that just 255 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:23,210 don't really influence the end game of the A storyline. 256 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:28,770 So sometimes we spend too much time with the B and the C plot 257 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 that. You're just kind of waiting. 258 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:34,300 OK, we gotta get back to the main plot of the story, right? 259 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:39,790 I don't mind AB plot, but it cannot hog up too much time when 260 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,700 there's only so many episodes. There's only 20 episodes of a 261 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:47,400 show. You can't dedicate that much 262 00:15:47,410 --> 00:15:52,200 time to the B and the CPLEX. That's just my opinion on that 263 00:15:52,210 --> 00:15:54,700 part. No, I agree completely. 264 00:15:54,750 --> 00:16:00,040 I don't think I was as positive on the main coupling of Hong 265 00:16:00,050 --> 00:16:02,290 Chau. And then vinchenzo, as you were 266 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,150 OK, I. This is a hot take. 267 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,670 I don't think they had chemistry. 268 00:16:06,740 --> 00:16:11,010 Ohh. OK, I think they were way better 269 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:16,210 as platonic partners and partners in crime than they were 270 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:21,680 romantic interests. OK, I got you. 271 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,610 I got you. Are you gonna advocate for them 272 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,470 during the rest of this episode? I'm not gonna like say here and 273 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,730 be like you're wrong. And this is. 274 00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:33,910 I think I felt like they did have some chemistry. 275 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,830 But I'm not going to sit here that it's the best chemistry 276 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:44,710 that I've seen from any couple here at any point from any show 277 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,970 that we've watched. But I think at least. 278 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,680 For myself, I saw a little more chemistry than you did. 279 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:56,720 Most likely, yeah, I think they were best suited as just 280 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:58,880 partners in crime. Got it. 281 00:16:59,170 --> 00:17:01,420 There were a couple of moments. I was like, OK, we're getting 282 00:17:01,430 --> 00:17:06,450 there, it's warming up. But it wasn't this chemical 283 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:09,480 reaction, if you get my meaning, I got you. 284 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:11,270 Yeah. I got. 285 00:17:13,550 --> 00:17:16,880 I don't know what else to say. I think the. 286 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:19,869 I love the way it was shot. Just like you said, 287 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,349 cinematography wise, really beautiful visuals. 288 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,910 I think that I was wanting more from the OST. 289 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:33,610 It wasn't working like I like working as in like it wasn't 290 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:37,730 doing its part right in the grand scheme of the show. 291 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:41,830 I think they relied heavily on classical music, which is 292 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,050 perfectly fine to me. I think they could have gone 293 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:47,430 even heavier on the classier, classier. 294 00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:51,900 On the classical music and those needle drops which invoke a 295 00:17:51,910 --> 00:17:53,470 different kind of tone and feeling. 296 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,170 I see what you're saying. Would you say that because we're 297 00:17:59,180 --> 00:18:04,720 so used to in Korean shows, having like that pop element 298 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:06,750 being injected into the soundtracks? 299 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,610 Maybe that's something that was kind of missing from the show 300 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,010 because you're so used to it. I do feel like I'm used to it 301 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:18,320 and I'm wanting. That element in the show for 302 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:23,860 sure they did have score. And in particular there was one 303 00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:27,900 emotional song that I have to find the track for it, but it 304 00:18:27,910 --> 00:18:31,340 sounded just started just like great is thy faithfulness. 305 00:18:31,410 --> 00:18:34,380 You know that old hymn? Yes. 306 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:37,080 Do you know that old hymn? So it literally was the same. 307 00:18:37,090 --> 00:18:39,680 It started the same notes as great as thy faithfulness. 308 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:46,320 And every time it came on I was like great is I favorite is so 309 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:50,490 God my father just saying it in my head and then once it stops 310 00:18:50,550 --> 00:18:53,470 with the melody, I was like. Got off it, you know stop 311 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,070 singing it. But it was very dead on and in 312 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,480 that respect it made me think it was very old sounding because 313 00:19:01,490 --> 00:19:03,110 greatest I faithfulness. It's like hello old. 314 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,690 That's a that's an old song. Yeah that's an old him. 315 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:10,620 You are very not that. Anyway, I don't know what else 316 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:13,350 to say without going into spoilers, because I truly feel 317 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,210 like anything you say. Is kind of spoilery. 318 00:19:17,470 --> 00:19:19,800 Yeah, yeah. Wait, let's talk about it. 319 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:21,680 Well, I don't think this is necessarily a spoiler, but 320 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:24,740 tachyon, what did you feel about his performance? 321 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:29,830 About Tech Young's performance. You feel about tech? 322 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:38,030 OK, so he is basically, he's an intern right, at the at the law 323 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,440 firm, yes, he starts as an intern at the law firm, right? 324 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:45,930 He starts there, but then we learn more about him. 325 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:52,320 I think that what I do like. How the show kind of treated him 326 00:19:52,330 --> 00:19:55,870 first was like he's like just go with the flow like. 327 00:19:56,670 --> 00:20:01,930 Happy go, lucky, whatever. But as the show goes and you see 328 00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:06,090 the way they change that character, I think they do a 329 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:11,180 good job because the show needed like a true. 330 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:15,020 And I mean, I don't know how much we can say without spoiling 331 00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:19,480 it, but like I got you, it needs an antagonist. 332 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:22,980 It needed it, needed it needed it, it needed it, and they 333 00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:26,820 needed the change they needed to establish. 334 00:20:26,910 --> 00:20:29,700 A big bad. And I put that in quotes just 335 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:33,600 because when you're dealing with a show where there's 336 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:38,720 implications of the mob or some type of corporation who's like 337 00:20:38,730 --> 00:20:42,720 in control, whatever you're doing, you need to establish a 338 00:20:42,730 --> 00:20:47,530 face to it almost and. I'm kind of glad that he's like 339 00:20:47,540 --> 00:20:51,610 the one that they did that with because he brings. 340 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:56,290 A little bit of a presence, like, I love that it goes from. 341 00:20:56,970 --> 00:21:00,480 You know, we don't really see him as a threat type of thing as 342 00:21:00,490 --> 00:21:04,940 an audience member. And then it shifts and you 343 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:06,710 think, ohh, he's a major problem. 344 00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:09,120 I thought they did a good job with it. 345 00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:11,200 How about you? Did did you feel the same way or 346 00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:14,880 differently? I was spoiled ohh no before I 347 00:21:14,890 --> 00:21:18,030 watched the show because you know I'm deep in the enemy's 348 00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:21,880 camp here and K drama territory deep in all over the deep in the 349 00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:26,200 enemy's camp the UK drama editors do not sleep and I was 350 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:30,710 spoiled about Tachyon's character I. 351 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:35,380 I think people rank him. I'm just going to go out and say 352 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:38,620 I think people rank him as one of the best kdrama villains. 353 00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:42,160 Hmm. OK, what would you say to that 354 00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:45,420 claim? I don't know if I would consider 355 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:49,550 him like the best villain. I think he's a good villain, but 356 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:55,910 the best seems like a very strong title to assign to him. 357 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,570 I think so too. I think people might be grasping 358 00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:01,350 a bit when they say he's the best villain. 359 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:05,210 I think that there are other villains in Kdrama that do a bit 360 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:07,550 better job that are a little more nuanced. 361 00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:11,770 I feel like tech was chewing up scenery. 362 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,950 He was chewing up scenery, just noshing on it. 363 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,410 He was really cartoonish. Yeah, you can even say he was 364 00:22:21,420 --> 00:22:22,750 cartoonish. Yeah. 365 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,850 Like, because it was OK. So maybe this is something that 366 00:22:27,860 --> 00:22:31,750 I'm thinking of, but I think that a lot of times when we do 367 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,530 meet a villain in one of in a Korean show, they do kind of go 368 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:42,090 after like a lot of the cliches of what makes a villain a 369 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:45,700 villain. You know, they have to either be 370 00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:48,880 yelling if they're doing that, or they have to look very 371 00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:52,280 sinister and they have to like put on a face to do it. 372 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:54,980 Like they they go after the cliches. 373 00:22:55,260 --> 00:23:01,100 So maybe there was enough. Differences between the way he 374 00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:05,250 started to the way he ended that people maybe like where it see 375 00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:08,920 like a character progression almost hmm, maybe that's how 376 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:11,640 people saw it. And so that's a little bit 377 00:23:11,650 --> 00:23:14,840 different because a lot of times those villains are OneNote. 378 00:23:14,890 --> 00:23:19,610 It's like I'm bad because I'm bad and I do bad things and 379 00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:23,120 that's kind of it. There's no nuance 2 characters. 380 00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:26,450 Sometimes I would like to dive into his psyche a bit when we 381 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:29,620 get to the spoiler section, but I honestly feel like. 382 00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:33,080 People are very. Whistle word. 383 00:23:33,730 --> 00:23:40,170 They're not blinded, but. Just maybe caught in the moment 384 00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:45,750 by the reveal. Yeah, when they reveal text, 385 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,920 true nature, you're just like. Oh my God. 386 00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:52,170 Like it's a it's A twist, you know, in the show. 387 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,030 What where is that from? Ohh you don't know where that's 388 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,480 from. So there's a. 389 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:06,490 Man, there's there was a show, a robot chicken that was on on 390 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Cartoon Network and so they they did a whole thing about 391 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:13,490 Shyamalan, right? M Night Shyamalan. 392 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,610 And so like they would like do like a little thing and then 393 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:21,050 they would like do something and then Shyamalan would kind of 394 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,250 come out and be like what the twist? 395 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,120 And with that voice and everything, what the twist? 396 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,110 So anytime like A twist comes up in my head, I'm just like, what 397 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:38,560 A twist. OK, so I got it. 398 00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:40,260 You gotta send me one of those videos. 399 00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:42,080 I gotta send you one of those now. 400 00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:45,140 I love to. The intro sequence of the 401 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,720 opening credit sequence for Vincenzo's got like a madman 402 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:50,140 meets James Bond meets House of Cards intro. 403 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:53,840 Good stuff, good stuff on it. We'll get to some fun facts 404 00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:57,040 right now before we give our scores and jump into spoilers. 405 00:24:57,050 --> 00:25:02,700 So we talked a little bit about the introduction of vinchenzo 406 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:06,070 the character in Italy. How did Song Junkie film in 407 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,360 Italy during COVID-19? He didn't. 408 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:12,820 He didn't. All those scenes that were set 409 00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:16,700 in Italy were done. Completely CGI, really. 410 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:18,720 All of them. I kid you not. 411 00:25:18,730 --> 00:25:21,020 So junkie never stepped foot in Italy. 412 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:23,680 None of those people were there when he was acting. 413 00:25:23,770 --> 00:25:27,070 He was acting in front of a blue screen the entire time. 414 00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:31,820 Every single Italy scene. So what do you think of that? 415 00:25:31,870 --> 00:25:35,180 So that you're, you're a stickler for CGI, stickler for 416 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:39,150 CGI. And in that sequence, they're 417 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,880 like moments where I guess maybe I thought the sky, they might 418 00:25:44,890 --> 00:25:49,140 have wanted to make it look a certain way, but I didn't think 419 00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:51,740 like the entire thing was CGI, the whole thing. 420 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:55,140 So they did a good job getting me on there. 421 00:25:55,150 --> 00:25:57,080 I didn't think you got they got you. 422 00:25:58,310 --> 00:26:01,330 Well, I gotta. I gotta give him props for being 423 00:26:01,340 --> 00:26:03,970 able to act by himself pretty much. 424 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,860 Because he he's not really with them. 425 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,000 There's nobody there. There's no one there. 426 00:26:11,010 --> 00:26:13,730 That's hilarious to me. Nice. 427 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:15,030 I'm so glad they got you on that. 428 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,190 They got me. They got me. 429 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,820 Yeah. Yeah, they really did. 430 00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:19,600 That Netflix money coming through. 431 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,210 Some native Italian speakers have reviewed some junkies 432 00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:28,270 Italian in Vincenzo because he speaks Italian a bunch of times 433 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,110 in the show, and they have said that although his pausing was 434 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,530 awkward, his pronunciation was mostly accurate and they 435 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:41,450 especially thought that his swearing in Italian was perfect. 436 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:48,470 Why is it that when it comes to cursing, everybody can be an 437 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,550 expert? Yeah, everyone's a native 438 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,670 speaker. Think. 439 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,570 Think about every person who doesn't know Spanish. 440 00:26:56,620 --> 00:27:00,240 But you tell them a curse word. Yeah, they easily get it. 441 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:01,600 Every time. Every time. 442 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:06,720 So let's talk ratings. I mentioned the top ten in on 443 00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:09,110 Netflix. The first episode reached a 7.7 444 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,670 rating, making it the fourth highest rated TV drama premiere. 445 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,290 The finale received 14.6% rating, making it the 11th 446 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:22,950 highest rated K drama in cable television history. 447 00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:25,990 Really good. Yeah, that's really, really 448 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,540 good. Yeah, it is. 449 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,010 A shit ton of people watching. Gentle. 450 00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:34,290 Yes, pretty much alright. So there's some fun facts. 451 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,130 More more fun facts, but we'll get into them. 452 00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:40,190 For the spoiler section. What would you rate this show 453 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:43,950 out of five soju bottles? Out of five soju bottles, I am 454 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,000 going to give it a 3 1/2. Three social bottles, yes. 455 00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:50,380 Alright, I'm gonna give it the same. 456 00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:53,480 But I feel like I'm on the negative side and you're on the 457 00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:55,090 positive side. I don't know why we have the 458 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,960 same soldier battle score, but. We'll get into it. 459 00:27:57,970 --> 00:28:01,150 I get into it, I guess. Yeah, alright, we're going to 460 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:11,450 talk spoilers right after this. Hey, you wanna come in? 461 00:28:11,740 --> 00:28:14,430 Alright, we're on the other side of spoilers for Vincenzo. 462 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,750 So if you have watched Vincenzo, keep listening. 463 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,410 If you don't care to be spoiled, then listen on. 464 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,590 All right, so episodes one and two. 465 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,160 I found them so boring after he lands in Korea. 466 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,870 Yeah. So the big thing for me is when 467 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,070 they start introducing these different plot threads that I 468 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,450 thought we were going to get, like a true mafia show. 469 00:28:37,660 --> 00:28:42,750 And it doesn't feel that way after you land in Korea, right? 470 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,010 It kind of, you know what it kind of feels like. 471 00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:48,910 It kind of feels like the show like bills itself with the first 472 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,970 trailer of the first part of the first episode. 473 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,340 Yes. And then bamboozles you. 474 00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:59,570 Yes, into a different show, 100%. 475 00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:03,890 I thought the Italy stuff was really cool, pure mafia, super 476 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,490 interesting. And then he gets to Korea and 477 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:06,910 it's like someone declawed a cat. 478 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,710 Thank you. Thank you, thank you. 479 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,940 Just like, what is this and then? 480 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,050 They, you know, they go ahead and they like just introduce 481 00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:23,770 like this separate storyline about the building. 482 00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:28,280 Yeah, that's one. There is a law case against 483 00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:32,720 Babel and you think, oh, maybe this is just a side case. 484 00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:35,640 No, this is going to be the main story case. 485 00:29:35,650 --> 00:29:38,960 Yeah, that's the main storyline. It's against barble barble 486 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,300 barble. It's against Babbel 487 00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:44,230 pharmaceuticals. And then you expand because 488 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,280 apparently that's a subsidiary Babble conglomerate. 489 00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:51,520 Is the bad guy, the bad company that they're fighting against. 490 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:55,960 They introduce a bunch of tropes like he has mommy issues because 491 00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:57,530 he was abandoned. As a child, you get the 492 00:29:57,540 --> 00:30:00,370 abandonment trope. His mom gave him up for adoption 493 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:03,830 and she's now imprisoned for killing an abusive employer. 494 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,830 But that was a falsehood because she didn't kill the guy. 495 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,630 He was like a tribute to rape her. 496 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,240 It's like really dramatic. And the Babble fight. 497 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,350 The introduction of Chong. Hi. 498 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:17,130 Oh my God, what's your name? Tahong Lord. 499 00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:19,890 What is her name? Really. 500 00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:21,660 Hongyang? Yeah. 501 00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:26,090 Chai Yong Hong. Or Hong when she gets in Hong 502 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,470 Chau Young when she gets introduced. 503 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,000 I'm not sold on her characterization because she is 504 00:30:33,010 --> 00:30:36,010 kind of playing the villainous. Role where? 505 00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:38,970 She's on the side of Babel. She's fighting with her dad. 506 00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:42,990 I'm not interested, you know, I'm not interested at all in 507 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,210 anything that's happening. No, it's not until the end of 508 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:53,010 episode 3 when things finally start to pick up, OK. 509 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:58,320 They come in with a truck slamming into the building? 510 00:30:58,390 --> 00:31:01,920 Yep. And killing a child's dad? 511 00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:04,870 Yep. And it was the kick in the pants 512 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,910 the show needed because you. They had this epic montage 513 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:15,550 sequence after this truck crash where Taeyong is struggling to 514 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,890 cope, feeling guilty over being at odds with her father and his 515 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,050 morals. The media smear campaign against 516 00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:25,610 him and the witness researcher was part of all that was 517 00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:29,310 particularly upsetting because you, even though I wasn't, I 518 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,290 wasn't, didn't care about anything that was happening. 519 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,980 You knew that her dad was like a righteous lawyer. 520 00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:37,750 He was, he was a good guy. He was a good guy. 521 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,330 And to see her just going through it, vinchenzo's in a 522 00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:47,710 coma like it's like crazy. And I thought that was the 523 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,750 turning point in the show for it to actually starting start to be 524 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,810 more high stakes again. So after the first sequence, one 525 00:31:56,820 --> 00:32:00,860 of my things about a show like this when you don't have as many 526 00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:06,070 episodes is the show needs to propel in the first episode. 527 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,110 Yeah, it it can't. You can't wait until episode 3 528 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,110 to find the end of episode 3 to get the catalyst for the show, 529 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,210 because this is what gets people like different parts of the 530 00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:24,250 story moving. It gets Chao Young and Vincenzo 531 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:28,850 closer together to start battling against. 532 00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:33,270 Travel like it. It puts the kick in the pants to 533 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,330 start going that way. But it shouldn't be by episode 534 00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:39,250 3, it should have been much sooner. 535 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,990 I agree. I agree completely. 536 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,890 Yeah. That truck scene though? 537 00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:46,310 The truck was literally driven into the store. 538 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:49,370 Yep, driven, shattering the glass and turning over the 539 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:52,210 tables and spilling the bottles of rice wine and stuff. 540 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:56,970 They were hooked up to stunt wires, and then they were hauled 541 00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:59,130 across the room to make it look like they were flying from the 542 00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:02,660 impact of the truck crash. They didn't do it at the same 543 00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:04,480 time though. They did it separately and then 544 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:07,040 I guess they pieced it together after the fact and post. 545 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:11,250 But I thought that was a really cool fun fact is that there was 546 00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:15,630 no CGI for that truck. No, they they fully didn't. 547 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,470 Yeah. Awesome. 548 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,030 That's awesome. I, I, I enjoy a good practical 549 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,150 stunt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 550 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,530 Although that one, I would have guessed it was CGI. 551 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,430 Yeah. If you're gonna do that would be 552 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,990 the one that you would think would be CGI, not the entire 553 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,720 Italy sequence. Getting sequence. 554 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,090 So going back to this montage rehab like what? 555 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:42,430 In episode four they had this montage of the murder aftermath 556 00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:49,090 and it was all set to Requiem K-626 AKA Mass 19 and D minor. 557 00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:53,140 And it reminded me a bit. Of um. 558 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,350 Especially with the Oh my God, what's her name? 559 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,210 Choi mungi. That other evil attorney? 560 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,070 Yes, the woman attorney. The woman attorney, yes. 561 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,909 So ceremony. She is dancing in her office and 562 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,270 stuff during that whole sequence. 563 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,010 And it reminded me of both the Joker with the dancing on the 564 00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:20,949 steps and the IT was like that simultaneous. 565 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,639 The whole like sequence plus her dancing, right. 566 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:27,000 We have Joker dancing on us. Plus the do you renounce Satan 567 00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:29,130 scene from the Godfather? From the godfather? 568 00:34:29,139 --> 00:34:31,920 Oh my God. It reminded me of the do you 569 00:34:31,929 --> 00:34:35,500 renounce Satan scene? See it with the they cut back 570 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:38,100 and forth between like the people who are the victims and 571 00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:41,040 the guy who's the woman who's pulling all the strings because 572 00:34:41,050 --> 00:34:44,230 she's the one who said I want it all to happen on the same night. 573 00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:50,429 You know it was. Actually really good editing and 574 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,150 I appreciated that scene a lot. They do a really good job with 575 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,580 it whenever whenever a scene like that happens where like it 576 00:34:57,590 --> 00:35:01,550 does kind of make you think of like the Godfather scene, the, 577 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,230 you know, pronounced Satan scene. 578 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:07,160 Do you want Satan and all his works? 579 00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:12,870 There's a lot of shows who do it, but one that did it, you 580 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,480 know within the last 10 years that I found to be fantastic was 581 00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:18,970 like, tell me, have you ever seen, have you ever seen Modern 582 00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:22,400 Family? No, no, I have not. 583 00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:27,260 Just bits and pieces of fantastic one where they're at a 584 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:29,860 baby christening and everything and no stop. 585 00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:33,580 And they do the whole sequence of like, do you renounce Satan 586 00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:36,580 and his all his works. And it's Phil Dunphy like the 587 00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:40,630 one the the dad who's always the fun one that you see like in all 588 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,600 the commercials and stuff. And he's the one he sends his 589 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:47,590 son to like do the works that need to be done. 590 00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:50,570 Such a great thing. So if you ever watch Modern 591 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:52,670 Family. I think the episode is called 592 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,550 full hentzia because that's gonna be the name of the of 593 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,660 course. That's the baby's name. 594 00:36:00,670 --> 00:36:02,600 Yeah. It's the baby between Sofia 595 00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:05,700 Vergara's character and Albany guy. 596 00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:10,500 Ohh, man, they had a baby. And so he wants to name it Joe 597 00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:13,980 because he's, you know, he's a typical white guy and she's like 598 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:19,080 her mom wants to name it Fulgencio, like the 4th or 599 00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:26,150 whatever. Anyway, OK, OK, back to begin to 600 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,110 vinchenzo. So Episode 4 ends with them 601 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,370 setting fire to the Babel farmhouse warehouse. 602 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:35,390 To what do you think of that? Bugs from spreading out? 603 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,820 Yes, I really. Great, great. 604 00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:40,730 Great scene, great scene. Loved it. 605 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:45,260 And also like really to like put Babble like on their heels. 606 00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:49,240 Like ohh shit, yes, it's not gonna be easy coming at these 607 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,330 two. And Vincenzo, you know he's 608 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:55,360 going to do things his own way. So yeah, I appreciate that. 609 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:57,920 I liked how they even messed with the sprinklers so they 610 00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:00,020 wouldn't turn on so they wouldn't turn on. 611 00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:02,500 Great job. They're like, why don't we have 612 00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:05,200 like a sprinkler system? Why is nothing getting put out 613 00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:08,620 and they've backtrack again? And you see them messing with 614 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:09,930 this regular system and shutting it off. 615 00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:11,550 And I'm like, Oh my God, it's so great. 616 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,860 You see, finally the big bad shows up. 617 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,060 And it's tachyon. Yes, it's tech. 618 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,750 It's tech rolling up. Looking fierce, looking bad. 619 00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:26,530 And he's the the man behind the curtain. 620 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,280 They finally, like we, get the reveal. 621 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,300 I just like how the scene is so put well, put together, and then 622 00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:37,980 the culmination is a grand reveal, right? 623 00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:43,140 Exactly, you know. So and then the final shot is of 624 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:46,870 all of our arsonists driving away looking at the inferno, and 625 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,300 they're playing pavarotti's rendition of Nessun dorma from 626 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,880 Turandot. And we get a translation of the 627 00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:57,090 lyrics because Vinny says them, he says. 628 00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,460 Set stars, set stars at dawn. I will win. 629 00:37:59,470 --> 00:38:00,750 I will win. I will win. 630 00:38:01,850 --> 00:38:05,020 And you're just like, ohh, like, you just feel like it's so such 631 00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:08,920 momentum and drive and feel like moments like this. 632 00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:10,700 Yeah. What really drives me on this 633 00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:11,980 show. Yes. 634 00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:14,200 Yeah. That scene felt a lot like the 635 00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:16,380 Bellagio fountain scene for motions 11 to me. 636 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:19,940 Ah, yeah. It's very poetic. 637 00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:23,790 Good call, good call. Look, a lot of nothing happens 638 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,150 between episodes 4 through 8. No, you. 639 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:32,240 You're telling me, yo, I'm like sitting there struggling. 640 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,260 Come on, let's, let's get into the meat of it. 641 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,310 Yes. Yeah. 642 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,040 And it's not happening. It's not happening. 643 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:44,090 We get a lot of back and forth with the tenants and you know, 644 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,280 their shenanigans and I don't care. 645 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:51,200 It's like, yeah. So I can't remember what episode 646 00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:53,070 this happens in. Maybe we haven't gotten there 647 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,130 yet, but when? Maybe it's episode like 10 648 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,180 because we're about to get there, but when they come down 649 00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:04,220 to like the aid of Vincenzo. Uh-huh. 650 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:08,440 And then, like, they do like, those showing what they were in, 651 00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,800 like in their past. That's a lot like one of the 652 00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:12,420 last episodes. Never mind. 653 00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:15,640 Yeah, we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about, OK, well, in 654 00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:19,800 episode 8, I had a big qualm here because the undercover 655 00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:23,040 Homeland Security agent who's masquerading as the Italian 656 00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:27,620 chef's apprentice in the building, he says in voiceover. 657 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:30,290 I finally realized why these people remained here and stood 658 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,600 their ground. They were inspired by Vincenzo's 659 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:34,270 strength and. Excellent leadership. 660 00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:38,040 That means vinchenzo isn't a mafia. 661 00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:42,410 He's not a mafia. He's Che Guevara. 662 00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:49,520 So, OK, so because somebody shows leadership potential, 663 00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:53,480 they're not mafia? Their Che Guevara. 664 00:39:55,070 --> 00:39:57,930 That doesn't really many issues. I have so many. 665 00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:59,900 I have so many issues with it. I just can't. 666 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:04,250 There's no way to. So I don't think that's the case 667 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:06,910 at all. Like, no, he's so wrong. 668 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,770 Like on so many lovely completely. 669 00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:12,170 Because never do you feel like it is. 670 00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:15,310 He's inspiring a people for like, a true revolution. 671 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,200 Not until later on. In the show. 672 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:20,710 You don't. Not to mention she Guevara's a 673 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,710 murderer. Well that too was killing his 674 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,550 own people. So yeah that's that's also very 675 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,690 true. There's that and and to say like 676 00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:32,270 you know he shows good leadership quality so he can't 677 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,130 be mafia, that doesn't make sense either because most of the 678 00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:39,880 time you show the good leadership and you become. 679 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,290 Part of the family. The head of the family. 680 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,150 Like, right. You have to be some sort of 681 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,280 charismatic person. Yeah, to lead a family. 682 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:50,290 I think that is a. That's a line that doesn't make 683 00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:52,090 any sense. That doesn't make any sense. 684 00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:55,390 No, that was like, ooh, so bad. Do some research on Chegg Obata 685 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,970 also, anyway. I think episode eight had some 686 00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:04,690 really good moments where he's trying to seduce the bank 687 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,850 president who's like a closet homosexual. 688 00:41:08,570 --> 00:41:12,580 Do you remember this part? I remember it very, very low, 689 00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:15,600 yes, but yes. This scene of him riding the 690 00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:18,720 horse. I lost it. 691 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,950 I lost it. It was. 692 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,550 Suppose they knew what they were doing when they put some junkie 693 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,590 on the horse in that getup. Of course they knew what they 694 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,780 were doing. They knew exactly what they were 695 00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:31,610 doing. They were catering to a specific 696 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:36,430 audience. And it was the same as, I don't 697 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,170 know, same fan services, maybe like a shower scene or something 698 00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:43,110 and occasionally, yes. Or, you know, just a random 699 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,670 moment where like, they touched the arm and then it goes into 700 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,860 slow motion. They touch the arm and then say, 701 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:50,830 Oh yeah, they do touch. You're getting it. 702 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,620 You're getting it. It's, it's meant for something. 703 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,390 And actually, that bank president is the 2nd male lead 704 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,600 in this drama called our beloved summer, and he's tremendous in 705 00:42:01,610 --> 00:42:04,230 that and he's very. Endearing in that, and I feel 706 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,690 really bad that he's so evil. And vinchenzo, he's really bad. 707 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,450 Like he what was his deal? He wasn't just like a closet 708 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:15,440 homosexual. He was actually kind of out and 709 00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:19,160 he was killing guys that didn't want anything to do with him. 710 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,240 Like he would ask them out and then would just like beat them 711 00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:23,740 up. And in spite, for spite. 712 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,030 They rejected him, right? They rejected him. 713 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,510 Yeah, that's that's not a great way to handle rejection. 714 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,950 It's crazy. So I like how he got his 715 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,970 comeuppance. Of course. 716 00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,430 Of course they scare the shit out of him with the zombies. 717 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:39,570 The zombie prank. Yep. 718 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,490 Again, like this show, like, goes through different types of 719 00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:47,470 tones. Like, there are moments where 720 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,010 things are getting really serious and then like, a zombie 721 00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:55,670 prank. It's so out of left field 722 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,430 sometimes that you're just like, what am I watching? 723 00:42:58,490 --> 00:43:02,610 And then, you know, it tries to get back into it once again, it 724 00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:04,370 tries to get back into the Babble plot. 725 00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:07,510 So yeah. So I think that there's a lot of 726 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,490 different weird, bizarre checkoff guns in the show, OK. 727 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:16,460 Just mentioned the zombies, we just mentioned the zombies. 728 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:19,790 So in the in an early episode, some of the tenants are learning 729 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,590 how to be zombies in like a kind of like a dance studio because 730 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,110 one of the tenants is a dancer and they're learning how to be 731 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,650 zombies. They later on in episode 89, 732 00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:35,350 whatever, they all prank the gay bank president because he's got 733 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,740 this extreme zombie phobia. So, like, why? 734 00:43:39,790 --> 00:43:42,960 You know, why introduce this weird zombie thing in an early 735 00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:45,760 episode, right? And then they use it again, the 736 00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:48,420 before tech is revealed to be the big bad. 737 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:50,440 Yeah. He punishes the chair like his 738 00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:54,120 half brother on the ice rink, pelting him with ice hockey 739 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:55,900 pucks and beating him with a stick. 740 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:57,380 Right. Because there has to be. 741 00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:59,620 That's his. That's his method, yeah. 742 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,070 But like, no, that's not what I thought, but that's not what I 743 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,910 thought at all. But he, the half brother uses 744 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,510 that method later on to punish like 3 executives after. 745 00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:14,960 It's a little bit of ice rink hockey torture and it's the same 746 00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:17,120 thing. Checkoffs. 747 00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:22,000 High ice hockey tech goes full send murdering one of the 748 00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:26,410 prosecutors with a hockey stick. And that I mean again. 749 00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:32,250 You keep they keep harping on this weird checkoffs gun. 750 00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:36,710 Like if we had it here, we have to have it here right for 751 00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:41,590 foreshadowing moment that they could bring up later and then of 752 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,410 course here, Adam. That you have another ice hockey 753 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:50,100 thing where Vinnie ends up with the half brother on the ice 754 00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:53,500 brother the face off with the Interpol agents. 755 00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:55,830 That it's it's you know whatever help us out. 756 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,080 Like don't. Yeah. 757 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,050 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 758 00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:03,250 What did you think? I had a issue with this because 759 00:45:03,260 --> 00:45:06,350 they had this in a few episodes where Vinny seems to have. 760 00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:10,440 Also, I'm naming him. I'm nicknaming him Vinny, Vinny, 761 00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:13,680 for obvious reasons. Anyway, Vinny seems to have 762 00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:18,000 periodic nightmares and PTSD dreams about his past life as a 763 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:21,320 violent, as a violent member of a Mafia family, and they never 764 00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:25,940 really returned to that. And they never deal with it. 765 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:28,340 No, they don't really deal with that. 766 00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:31,570 And I found that to be disappointing because I would 767 00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:36,320 have liked to see like that recall of his memories to play 768 00:45:36,330 --> 00:45:41,500 out in a moment where you can see that his past is still 769 00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:46,360 affecting him now, where you can see him composed on everything, 770 00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:50,600 but that little moment can rear its ugly head. 771 00:45:50,650 --> 00:45:53,120 But we don't really get that in the show. 772 00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:56,000 We just. That it's more about 773 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,740 understanding where he came from, but not really who he is. 774 00:46:00,850 --> 00:46:04,980 Ooh, that's that's the thing about like all those flashbacks 775 00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:09,500 to me at least. And then on top of that kind of 776 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:15,730 related, there's this whole angle with his mother or. 777 00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:20,020 I don't know, maybe I'm. I'm kind of misremembering this, 778 00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:23,680 but like, it is his mother, but not they're not really like 779 00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:28,660 referencing each other that way. Am I missing remembering the way 780 00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:33,390 the mother interactions went? The mother interactions are? 781 00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:36,650 He never outright says, like, you're my mom, right? 782 00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:38,990 There we go. And she'd never outright says 783 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:44,650 I'm your mom, right? So, I mean, it's unspoken, 784 00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:46,130 right? It's unspoken. 785 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:50,290 So I don't understand how that's supposed to give us. 786 00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:53,680 Any indication of what the man he is today? 787 00:46:54,490 --> 00:46:57,540 Because of that relationship. Because if at least you would 788 00:46:57,550 --> 00:47:02,260 have told us or showed us that this really bothers him or this 789 00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:06,040 really changed him in the past to become the person that he is 790 00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:11,020 now, then I get that interaction between him and his mom. 791 00:47:11,090 --> 00:47:15,060 Maybe it's an ice cold relationship and all that, but 792 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:18,300 the fact that we go to it a couple of times and we don't 793 00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:23,950 really get. A as a reason why it's 794 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,940 referenced. And does it make him the man who 795 00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:28,300 he is? Is that? 796 00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:31,360 Is that the case? But more, it's just like, oh, 797 00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:34,340 this is just another aspect of his life that doesn't really 798 00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:38,020 have to do anything with. What's going on in the a story 799 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:42,010 at all? I think that they had not that 800 00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:44,350 they had an opportunity, but they didn't take necessarily the 801 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,610 easy route with his trauma and his back story. 802 00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:55,160 They like the mother. He never necessarily outright 803 00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:58,680 blames her, although there is tension there. 804 00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:03,710 And he does have stuff to work through because he's very 805 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,370 hesitant to get involved in her life. 806 00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:11,420 In her case, yeah. But he knows that she needs him. 807 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:16,170 He's that she's helpless and innocent in her, you know, life 808 00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:20,290 or whatever. And I think she does end up 809 00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:23,040 saying why she gave up her son, right? 810 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,270 In like the one of the almost last episodes? 811 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,930 I think she does, yes. I just don't remember what it 812 00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:31,750 was. Ohh, that's right. 813 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,130 She was dying of lung cancer in the late 80s and she had a bad 814 00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:42,210 diagnosis or prognosis. And so she just gave up her son 815 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,230 for adoption with the intention of if she gets better, she'll 816 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:52,030 pick him up again, which is not how adoption works, but 817 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,690 whatever. That's not why you put your kid 818 00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:59,910 in the system, but anyway. That was. 819 00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:03,360 The signal for him to basically forgive her because she had a 820 00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:06,700 good, good enough reason, I guess, to give him to give him 821 00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:12,150 up, which, yeah, I mean kind of kind of a good reason. 822 00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:15,630 Um, yeah. Impending death. 823 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,340 Impending death. Yeah, that. 824 00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:19,870 You know what? Not a bad reason. 825 00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:21,430 That's not a bad reason to give him up. 826 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,990 But it is very sad. Just added to the melancholy of 827 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,070 the storyline. Melancholy. 828 00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:34,840 The tech goes further and further into mania, I feel, 829 00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:39,020 throughout the show. How did you feel about his 830 00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:44,200 characterization and him being the villain, and just not just 831 00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:47,820 his acting and portrayal, but like his motivations? 832 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,350 Um, I. I was. 833 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,520 I'll, I'll kick it off. So I was a little bit confused. 834 00:49:56,370 --> 00:50:01,500 Because they paint him as this psycho. 835 00:50:01,870 --> 00:50:05,230 They do great. He has killed multiple people, 836 00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:10,890 taken souvenirs off the bodies. He's collecting watches from the 837 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:14,460 victims. And he seems kind of like a 838 00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:18,060 serial killer, but not not really, because all of the 839 00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:21,420 people that he killed, they offended him in some way. 840 00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:24,600 Like he's got a very short fuse. Terrible temper. 841 00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:26,090 Yeah, he does. I don't know. 842 00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:27,650 He is kind of like a serial killer. 843 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:33,430 Ah, there's a vibe, there's a so there's a killer vibe to him. 844 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,580 I and the reason why he stayed hidden and wasn't the face of 845 00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:40,330 the company and wasn't the true chairman. 846 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,210 He was like the shadow chairman was because he valued his 847 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:49,510 privacy and did not want to go down for any crimes that the 848 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,400 company did. I do not blame him. 849 00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:55,050 That's smart. That's a smart move. 850 00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:58,570 Keep yourself out of like, the corporate affairs. 851 00:50:59,310 --> 00:51:04,380 But I think, OK, so here's what I do like, I do like that we 852 00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:11,140 show a character who has a quick temper, who could go like zero 853 00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:13,830 to 60. Immediately. 854 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,180 And I like that in a villain because of the fact that you 855 00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:21,010 never know when the moment he's going to snap. 856 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,750 Yeah, I do like that. And it it does give us a threat, 857 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,870 and it gives us an impending threat whenever he's on screen 858 00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:32,200 because you never know. He's unpredictable. 859 00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:35,450 He's unpredictable. That could be the moment that he 860 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,190 killed someone, or it could be the moment. 861 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,070 Maybe he laughs it off and just moves it along. 862 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,550 And I like that. I love when there's a bit of a 863 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,030 chaos to a villain, right? Yeah. 864 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:55,380 And maybe it's just. So maybe it's just me having 865 00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:59,850 this affinity for that type of character because I like like 866 00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:04,400 the Joker so much and like Batman, because he is chaotic, 867 00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:07,460 you never know how he's going to react to a situation. 868 00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:10,440 So I'd like that energy from a villain. 869 00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:15,700 So I found that to be something that I liked watching from him. 870 00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:22,360 So now in terms of him, kind of like not being the front of the 871 00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:24,110 company. But like still having kind of 872 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,810 control and being able to like really bully his half brother 873 00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:30,840 and everything. Yeah, I think that was a good 874 00:52:30,850 --> 00:52:35,520 dynamic as well, because then you have a sympathetic character 875 00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:41,250 inside of the villain plot. Hmm gives us a way to be able to 876 00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:45,520 be like ohh if something changes here that can change the the 877 00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:48,750 whole outcome. And right he's a wild card. 878 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,250 He's a wild card. So and luckily for us that's 879 00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:54,450 kind of what happens here. So. 880 00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:58,340 Overall, I really like the portrayal of the character. 881 00:52:58,350 --> 00:53:02,700 I'm not going to sit here and say the best villain, but I 882 00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:07,770 still think it's an engaging villain and enjoyable villain to 883 00:53:07,780 --> 00:53:10,680 watch. Here's I'll go out on a limb and 884 00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:17,240 say if they had tightened up the tone and made it the dark mafia 885 00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:20,400 thriller that they had promised us in the first sequence of the 886 00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:24,240 show, that this villain would have worked a lot better because 887 00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:26,050 they would have pared down some of the. 888 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,770 Ridiculousness. Some of the like screaming in 889 00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:33,700 the car, kind of tantrums that he's throwing and really dialed 890 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:39,100 it into a polished strategist and a chaotic villain. 891 00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:41,640 Yes, which we do get glimpses of throughout. 892 00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:44,500 But because of the tone of the show and the way that they kind 893 00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:48,040 of had him bouncing off the walls and having tantrums, the 894 00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:51,680 tantrums really threw me. OK, so I will agree with you, 895 00:53:51,690 --> 00:53:53,360 the tantrums are a little out there. 896 00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:59,010 They're they're a little much we don't really need to like full 897 00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:01,190 on thing. I think 1 tantrum is fine. 898 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,950 Oh, true, yeah. But multiple. 899 00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:06,610 It starts to get into a little bit of overkill. 900 00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:09,090 Then you don't. Yeah, really take the character 901 00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:13,450 as seriously as you should, because he's constantly on a 902 00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:15,420 tantrum. He's a murderer, he's a 903 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,880 murderer, he's a fiend. Like, he's dead. 904 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,010 He's a fiend. Yeah. 905 00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:26,430 In episode nine, he kills the one of the prosecutors with a 906 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,170 hockey stick. You don't see it coming. 907 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:30,250 No, they don't see it coming. They don't. 908 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,370 And they kill off a witness who was trying to make a deal with 909 00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:37,350 Babel and a handful of the victim. 910 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,150 The victims family, like they killed innocent people. 911 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,440 The ones that ended up in the in a van. 912 00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:47,760 And they suffocated them, essentially crazy. 913 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:51,170 When as soon as that episode happened, I was like. 914 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,090 Damn, that's cold. Cold. 915 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,400 That's cold. Very cold. 916 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,390 Speaking of cold, we got a quote in episode 10. 917 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,020 Keep your heart cold. Revenge will go more smoothly 918 00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:04,030 that way. Oh, oh, not a bad. 919 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,900 That's a good life. So in episode 10, we get a 920 00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:15,060 Netflix hallway fight. With the laundromat Taylor going 921 00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:18,810 apeshit on the on the hired thugs that they get. 922 00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:21,600 It's a second round of hired thugs as the first round was 923 00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:24,480 goofy, right? The second round are legitimate, 924 00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:27,450 yeah. And he comes at them with a pair 925 00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:30,310 of the shears. The shears, and just try and he 926 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,760 starts stabbing them with the fabric shears, bro, bro. 927 00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:35,330 That was good. That was good. 928 00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:37,350 That was good. That was a good sequence. 929 00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:40,690 Just like those quick stabs. I'm just like, I know I'm 930 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,530 looking. And I'm just like, oh shit, he's 931 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:46,290 like really stabbing him. Yes, this is real. 932 00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,650 Blood is being spilt. Finally. 933 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,350 Yeah, finally. But that same episode, the 934 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,630 tenants play the Mafia game on game. 935 00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:57,500 Right. Oh, yeah. 936 00:55:57,550 --> 00:56:00,300 I forgot. They have a bunch of references 937 00:56:00,310 --> 00:56:02,900 to other K dramas and it's kind of a reunion. 938 00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:10,200 So the wrestler, Beanie Man, as I called him, and my notes, he 939 00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:14,560 calls one of the thugs who's in the travel agency. 940 00:56:14,610 --> 00:56:17,840 They're sending people in hot air balloons across borders. 941 00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:20,300 Do you remember, do you remember that? 942 00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:20,820 Yes. Yes. 943 00:56:20,830 --> 00:56:22,110 Yeah. That was the first round of 944 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,300 hired thugs. Thugs. 945 00:56:23,310 --> 00:56:26,270 Then they become like travel agent, to quote UN quote. 946 00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:31,250 He calls one of those thugs appoxee to ye wannabe which is a 947 00:56:31,260 --> 00:56:35,410 reference to poxon Jens character in Itaewon class ohh 948 00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:38,670 OK who has the same God awful hairstyle. 949 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,500 It's terrible. So that's if you had seen Ethan 950 00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:45,680 one class, you would be like, Oh my God, he does look like 951 00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:46,360 tuxedo. Yeah. 952 00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:48,960 I would have been able to be like ohh yeah no totally makes 953 00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:50,290 sense. No. 954 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,170 Then that thugs fires back that the Beanie guy looks like a 955 00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:57,130 North Korean soldier. Bro, do you know who that guy 956 00:56:57,140 --> 00:56:59,490 is? He's part of the cloud crew. 957 00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:01,430 Crash landing on you. Yes. 958 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,870 Ohh. OK. 959 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,870 So that's OK. So that's a clear reference to 960 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,990 the other show. OK yeah it's a reference to. 961 00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:13,560 Crash landing on you. So I really like when when stuff 962 00:57:13,570 --> 00:57:15,650 like that happens in TV. Yeah. 963 00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:19,200 Or just in movies where they reference another persons like 964 00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:21,560 show that they did somewhere else. 965 00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:24,140 That's always great. I love when they do that. 966 00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:26,650 And there's actually two people from Crash landing on you. 967 00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:29,090 Now that I think about it. There's the beanie guy. 968 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,650 OK, and the Homeland Security dude? 969 00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:36,190 Yeah, he was also in crashing on you. 970 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,470 He was like the insurance agent who was desperately looking for 971 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,870 her because he didn't want her to. 972 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,720 He didn't want any harm to come to her, right? 973 00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:46,070 You know, she gave him a lot of business and she was, he was 974 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,650 really grateful for her. So two Loy alum. 975 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,210 Yeah, two cloy alums. Yeah. 976 00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:55,860 Nice. What do you think of episode 11? 977 00:57:55,870 --> 00:58:03,380 They call him mafia corn salad. This is a gross mispronunciation 978 00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:07,590 of conciliary. I mean, look, this show is just. 979 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:13,190 Going from town to town like I get if they're if they're doing 980 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,430 it like in in a way of just making fun of him type of way. 981 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,450 Yeah yeah. You know like I I get it. 982 00:58:20,860 --> 00:58:22,670 You know they can do it that way. 983 00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:25,270 But if they're not really making fun of them it's just that they 984 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,890 can't pronounce it type of thing then it's something else. 985 00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:32,510 Then it's just like this is not great but if they're doing it I 986 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,050 thought it was funny but they kept doing it though they knew 987 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:38,160 what they were doing so no. Yeah. 988 00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:41,070 But then yeah, so then it it felt they had the banner with 989 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,730 the corn salad. Yeah, as it kept going, I was 990 00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:46,850 like, you know what? This is actually not a bad joke. 991 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,060 Ohh man so I didn't get this. The arms dealer slash lobbyist 992 00:58:53,070 --> 00:58:55,880 who got the good Intel for tech in Italy? 993 00:58:55,890 --> 00:59:00,860 Yes on vinchenzo. Vinchenzo captures them and and 994 00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,260 he goes, the guy goes, I've been tortured by like, this is a 995 00:59:04,270 --> 00:59:05,890 paraphrasing. He's like I've been tortured by 996 00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,020 the ruffian, the ruffian, the Russian mafia, and all these 997 00:59:10,030 --> 00:59:13,040 other major players. This isn't my first rodeo, 998 00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:17,920 essentially is what the guy says to Vinny, and Vinny says there's 999 00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:20,640 a limit to pain, but there's no limit to fear. 1000 00:59:21,330 --> 00:59:23,900 And he starts playing Russian roulette with him with a like a 1001 00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:27,640 revolver. Which you're telling me that a 1002 00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:30,560 few rounds of Russian roulette with the revolver is scaring 1003 00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:33,470 this guy shitless enough to for him to sing like a Canary? 1004 00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:37,910 I think it could scare anyone because there's a difference 1005 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,170 between being tortured, right? I get being tortured is 1006 00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:44,330 terrible. So you bought it, you bought 1007 00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:48,250 this because I think the difference is that one. 1008 00:59:48,940 --> 00:59:51,190 Pull the trigger and you're dead. 1009 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,580 Not tortured, you're dead. So there's a difference between 1010 00:59:57,650 --> 01:00:02,820 being tortured for information and you withholding versus, hey, 1011 01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:05,340 if you give me the information or you don't give me the 1012 01:00:05,350 --> 01:00:07,840 information, you're going to be dead. 1013 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,360 That's a different, he was going nuts with the revolver though 1014 01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:14,070 because he was also doing like A2 faced thing. 1015 01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:17,470 Yeah, where he was spinning the, spinning the trigger the and 1016 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,890 then pointing the gun at his own head. 1017 01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:23,160 Vinny was like gonna commit suicide crazy. 1018 01:00:24,270 --> 01:00:27,440 Crazy. Like like you said, we saw that. 1019 01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:31,020 We saw it in. We saw it in Dark, Man. 1020 01:00:34,290 --> 01:00:36,820 Yo, episode 12, they have this impressions guy. 1021 01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:40,300 They're dealing with someone at the old law firm. 1022 01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:42,270 Man, I forgot the name of the law firm, but anyway. 1023 01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:45,980 The evil law firm, right? And he's like, I want to get out 1024 01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:48,000 of this law firm, whatever they're dealing with and they 1025 01:00:48,010 --> 01:00:50,350 want info from him and they're like, why don't you give us 1026 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:55,320 another impersonation impression of sunkyung? 1027 01:00:55,330 --> 01:00:59,710 Do you know that is? Ethan Kian. 1028 01:01:00,220 --> 01:01:02,270 And he does the voice exactly like him. 1029 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,550 It's the guy from parasite. Ohh OK the husband with a really 1030 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,480 deep voice. Yeah. 1031 01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:12,380 Yeah. He does a spot on impression of 1032 01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:14,520 him from parasite. Gotcha. 1033 01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:17,330 And he kept he did like two or three times in the show did. 1034 01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:19,500 But I I didn't. I was hoping you would catch it. 1035 01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:21,840 Yeah I didn't catch it. Was hoping you would catch it. 1036 01:01:21,850 --> 01:01:23,360 That's on me. Yeah. 1037 01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:25,200 Yeah. You someone is also from the 1038 01:01:25,210 --> 01:01:26,490 drama. Yeah. 1039 01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:29,080 You should have. He's also from the drama my Mr 1040 01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:31,900 So we're looking for sunken and your K dramas. 1041 01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:34,660 He's also from my mystery. Just in case you want to move. 1042 01:01:34,810 --> 01:01:36,440 This is funny. This is a. 1043 01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:41,930 The K drama the tech is watching on his TV. 1044 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,490 You would never get this because you don't know who 2:00 PM is, 1045 01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:48,560 but he's watching a drama on the television. 1046 01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:51,270 The drama is completely made-up. It's not a real K drama, right? 1047 01:01:51,820 --> 01:01:57,460 It's his two bandmates from 2:00 PM's Chansung and Nickhun. 1048 01:01:59,410 --> 01:02:04,880 What's funny is Nick Hoon went on a podcast A while back and he 1049 01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:07,340 was talking about this this cameo that he made with Trent 1050 01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:11,200 Song and he was like, yeah, tech was like. 1051 01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:17,420 Ohh, come and do this, you know. Cameo for me and the show, 1052 01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:18,760 whatever they're like. Yeah, yeah, sure. 1053 01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:21,540 Anything for tech. So they go and they thought that 1054 01:02:21,550 --> 01:02:23,520 tech was going to be in the scene with them, or at least on 1055 01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:25,060 set. Never happened. 1056 01:02:25,070 --> 01:02:26,900 They just showed up to do their scene. 1057 01:02:26,970 --> 01:02:28,900 Tech was never there. Wow. 1058 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,450 Which I found hysterical. That's pretty funny. 1059 01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:36,610 Definitely check out that. God, I think it was a dive 1060 01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:40,430 studios thing. Maybe it was the Eric Nam 1061 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,380 podcasts where Nick couldn't came and talked about that 1062 01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:46,430 experience of going up with chainsaw man. 1063 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,460 I found that hysterical that that's something I would do 1064 01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:53,210 where I'd be like, yeah man, come and come and do a cameo 1065 01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:56,150 scene for my show or whatever. And then I like don't show up. 1066 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,550 Don't show up at all. That's really don't show up to 1067 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,360 support your bandmates. Oh yeah, it's so good. 1068 01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:05,160 Episode 13. I really liked the pig blood. 1069 01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:06,240 Carrie. Ted talk. 1070 01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:09,780 Where they dump a bunch of pigs. Blood on tech. 1071 01:03:09,790 --> 01:03:11,940 That's good. Oh my God that was a good one. 1072 01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:14,580 That's a good one. I didn't like this. 1073 01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:15,950 This is when I started to lose it. 1074 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,050 Episode 14. The piano teacher who's also got 1075 01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:24,590 a studio in Gunga Plaza, happens to be the programmer who 1076 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,190 designed the vault. OK, so this is my problem with 1077 01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:31,810 the people. The tenants in this building, 1078 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,320 they all have, like, these secret past lives where they're 1079 01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:40,310 all like, perfectly suited for what they need. 1080 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,430 Like, they got the wrestler, they got this hacker. 1081 01:03:43,780 --> 01:03:48,600 That a former mixed martial artist thinking, yeah, like 1082 01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:52,050 conveniently all these people live in the same exact building. 1083 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,990 And it it really drove me up the wall. 1084 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,590 Like this cannot be true. This cannot be real. 1085 01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:00,800 And yet it is. Yep. 1086 01:04:01,290 --> 01:04:05,240 That was the that was a moment where I'm like, OK, the show is 1087 01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,040 going to. It's too convenient. 1088 01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:09,380 It's too convenient. Yeah. 1089 01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:13,530 Hey, this one person who has never demonstrated any abilities 1090 01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:18,000 about this is a master at it. Yeah, so. 1091 01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:20,810 So this is something that I think a lot of people. 1092 01:04:21,660 --> 01:04:26,150 Have a problem with when they're watching something and then 1093 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,010 something is introduced out of nowhere? 1094 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,790 Yeah, in the middle of a story. I get that some people have a 1095 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,610 problem when it starts off and people have like, this amazing 1096 01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:39,640 skill. That doesn't bother me because 1097 01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:42,250 you're at least showing me from the very beginning. 1098 01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:45,310 This person is skilled at this thing. 1099 01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:48,250 Whether you find it believable or not, it doesn't matter. 1100 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,250 From the beginning they establish it. 1101 01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,430 But here. Episode. 1102 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,850 What episode? 1414. 1103 01:04:54,940 --> 01:04:56,210 And now? Yeah, is 1. 1104 01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:59,250 We're gonna get ohh. By the way, she's a hacker like 1105 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,490 that doesn't that doesn't compute. 1106 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,710 But that doesn't compute. Alright. 1107 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,970 But yeah, yeah, I found that each reveal, each reveal for the 1108 01:05:07,980 --> 01:05:12,310 incredibly adept Plaza tenants just gets more outrageous every 1109 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,970 time. Silly. 1110 01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:16,950 And then, like, they do like that, like that plastering of 1111 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,260 like, they show a picture of like, their past life type of 1112 01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:23,310 thing, which still like, that got to me. 1113 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,210 Like I started. I kind of started laughing 1114 01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:27,750 because I was just like, you gotta be kidding me. 1115 01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,810 Yeah. So the guillotine file. 1116 01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:35,160 Ohh yeah, being another Mcguffin Mcguffin. 1117 01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:38,220 Yeah, that along with like a bunch of gold. 1118 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,830 What's funny is that I think. Let me see. 1119 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,200 Yeah, Gunga Plaza gum means gold in Korean. 1120 01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:52,020 There we go. So so Gold Plaza. 1121 01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:55,860 Ohh cool. Not on the nose at all. 1122 01:05:55,870 --> 01:06:00,570 Not on the nose at all. Ohh man so ohh man let's talk 1123 01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:03,450 about chemistry right now. Because in episode 14 they go to 1124 01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:08,460 the museum under this whole undercover thing and they kiss 1125 01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:12,590 at the museum they do. And there's like this proposal 1126 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,990 that they walked into. They had no idea that the couple 1127 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,670 they were masquerading as were coming for a proposal. 1128 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,640 What did you think of this whole scene? 1129 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,860 Um, the scene, I mean worked for me. 1130 01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:30,280 It worked, it worked. I think it's good. 1131 01:06:30,330 --> 01:06:34,910 I think we need at the moment where they finally kissed. 1132 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,930 So. Important for a show. 1133 01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:41,740 You know for me, like if you're going to have a, you know, 1134 01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:44,250 flirtation, romance between 2 characters. 1135 01:06:45,110 --> 01:06:48,840 Make sure you build it out and get to that moment where they 1136 01:06:48,850 --> 01:06:52,400 finally kiss, because they need to get there, they need to get 1137 01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:55,580 there. So I'm glad it's not one of 1138 01:06:55,590 --> 01:06:57,620 those things where they like wait till like the end of the 1139 01:06:57,630 --> 01:06:59,990 show. You need to know you need to 1140 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,670 have that tension. That tension has to be there. 1141 01:07:02,780 --> 01:07:06,410 OK, I didn't feel much tension. Throughout the show. 1142 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:09,370 But they did have that one scene where she was like, I think I'm, 1143 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,340 I caught feelings for you, but I don't know. 1144 01:07:11,350 --> 01:07:13,510 And she was kind of drunk. And then she was like, let me 1145 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,870 see if I have feelings for you. She gets up and hugs him. 1146 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,850 And you can tell that he's caught feelings, yes? 1147 01:07:21,530 --> 01:07:24,260 And then she's like, Oh no, I was mistaken. 1148 01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:28,520 And it's just, you know. I didn't definitely didn't catch 1149 01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:32,580 feelings for you exactly. And that's a I found out funny. 1150 01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:35,960 It was funny. A funny sequence there, but you 1151 01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:38,570 know that it's gonna. Progress. 1152 01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:40,340 Kind of progress. Hmm. 1153 01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:43,880 So I thought ohh, go for it. No, no, go ahead. 1154 01:07:43,890 --> 01:07:45,210 Go right ahead. OK. 1155 01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:46,740 I was gonna talk about the pigeons. 1156 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,920 Because. We we had episode 15, but OK. 1157 01:07:53,650 --> 01:07:57,070 A horde of angry pigeons assails the mafia assassins like 1158 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,880 something out of a Hitchcock movie. 1159 01:07:59,030 --> 01:08:01,760 Yeah, that, and it's awful. I hated it. 1160 01:08:01,770 --> 01:08:02,780 It was awful. Yeah. 1161 01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:04,040 Yeah. I thought we were going to get 1162 01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:05,760 past that without even talking about it. 1163 01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:11,920 Ohh. Uh, no, no. 1164 01:08:13,650 --> 01:08:15,100 Yeah no. Then we get a Lord the rings 1165 01:08:15,110 --> 01:08:17,600 reference from tech. He's I think he's talking about 1166 01:08:17,609 --> 01:08:20,319 the guillotine file. He says 1 ring to rule them all 1167 01:08:20,330 --> 01:08:21,740 my precious. Oh my God. 1168 01:08:22,090 --> 01:08:25,020 But yes he is talking about the guillotine file at that moment. 1169 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,060 Yeah, doesn't really work. Righteous prosecutor that they 1170 01:08:30,069 --> 01:08:32,180 were teaming up with for a couple of episodes portrays 1171 01:08:32,189 --> 01:08:33,939 them. He was just after something big 1172 01:08:33,950 --> 01:08:37,319 enough to barter his way up the chain, you know, that was a 1173 01:08:37,330 --> 01:08:39,460 given. Yeah, they had this whole 1174 01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:42,840 analogy before where they're talking about is this apple 1175 01:08:42,850 --> 01:08:46,140 rotten if one side is fine and the other side is a little bit 1176 01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:48,120 rotten, is the whole apple rotten? 1177 01:08:48,130 --> 01:08:51,899 Talking about the prosecution service and the legal, you know, 1178 01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:57,100 system here in Korea and the guy was like, no, it's not rotten or 1179 01:08:57,109 --> 01:08:58,390 whatever. And they were just trying to 1180 01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,080 make a point. Like they can't trust him, 1181 01:09:00,130 --> 01:09:01,330 right? Because he's part of the 1182 01:09:01,340 --> 01:09:03,300 problem. He's in the prosecution service, 1183 01:09:03,310 --> 01:09:08,279 which is bought off by the Babel, so he ends up turning 1184 01:09:08,370 --> 01:09:11,350 turning bad. Not surprising at all. 1185 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,970 Not surprising at all. No, no surprise. 1186 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,990 I think the final four episodes are pretty good. 1187 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,950 Yes, I was gonna say we can jump into the final four and the 1188 01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:24,910 finale sequence. Yeah, sequences of episodes. 1189 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,729 Because tech kills his mom in episode 16. 1190 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,399 They got some brute straight out of prison to stranglehold. 1191 01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:33,930 They're poor. The poor frail woman couldn't 1192 01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:36,149 fight back. She was dying of pancreatic 1193 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,270 cancer. I mean, it was despicable. 1194 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,970 And. Tech is shown dancing with the 1195 01:09:41,979 --> 01:09:46,479 lawyer Ajima, gloating and laughing like it's just like 1196 01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:48,840 terrible. Terrible person, really sinister 1197 01:09:48,850 --> 01:09:51,700 stuff. Speaking of the lawyer, Ajima. 1198 01:09:53,910 --> 01:10:01,360 I think that there was sexual tension between Technion and 1199 01:10:01,410 --> 01:10:05,280 Troy Mungi. The lawyer oh, what do you say 1200 01:10:05,290 --> 01:10:08,600 to that? Hmm. 1201 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,170 I can kind of see it. I can kind of, you can kind of, 1202 01:10:13,180 --> 01:10:15,670 I can kind of see it. I was like, what is this? 1203 01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:21,370 What is this feeling between tech and the lawyer, hajima? 1204 01:10:21,380 --> 01:10:24,030 I'm just like, what is this here? 1205 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:27,640 There was like a not just a camaraderie, but like kind of an 1206 01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:31,130 understanding because they're both dirty, they're both awful. 1207 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,410 And it goes beyond him being her superior or her boss or 1208 01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:38,930 whatever. They kind of start to even the 1209 01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:40,240 playing field. Between them. 1210 01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:44,980 The, you know, distance between their positions and they kind of 1211 01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:48,660 see eye to eye and they start working together and their 1212 01:10:48,670 --> 01:10:51,100 scenes together start getting a little more intimate. 1213 01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:56,330 I feel like those, you know like I just OK, I was wondering if 1214 01:10:56,340 --> 01:11:00,210 that was just me thinking there was there was some tension in 1215 01:11:00,220 --> 01:11:02,920 the room. OK, I agree. 1216 01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:09,140 Episode 18 they introduced another major villain player 1217 01:11:09,150 --> 01:11:11,200 late in the game with the presidential candidates, right. 1218 01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:13,420 I hate. What was this? 1219 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:17,930 Yeah, I hate when you introduce someone way too late in the 1220 01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:19,540 game. Yeah. 1221 01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:21,740 This is ridiculous. And this is what happened. 2 1222 01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:25,590 episodes left. Yo, dude, it's happened in other 1223 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,940 shows where like, they. I think that's bad writing. 1224 01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:29,900 It's terrible, right? It's like, it's bad. 1225 01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:32,900 How do we introduce this plot point or whatever? 1226 01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:34,580 It's like, well, we can introduce it with these 1227 01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:38,720 characters we already have. Let's just bring someone new. 1228 01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:40,680 Doesn't make that. Goes to show that this could 1229 01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:42,330 have been cut down to 16 episodes. 1230 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:43,510 Easy. Yes. 1231 01:11:43,610 --> 01:11:45,020 Another reason. Easy. 1232 01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:46,210 Yes. Yeah. 1233 01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:47,500 OK. Yeah. 1234 01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:50,770 We digress. Tech is in jail because Vinnie 1235 01:11:50,780 --> 01:11:53,780 backed him into a corner and he thought with for protection, 1236 01:11:53,790 --> 01:11:56,130 I'll just go in jail so Vinnie doesn't kill me. 1237 01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:59,090 He ends up walking right into a trap because that's what Benny 1238 01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,290 wanted, that's what he wanted. And it's really not until 1239 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:10,780 episode 19 where we see the full might of the Vincenzo Cassano 1240 01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:15,430 family where it's revealed because we have another hallway 1241 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:19,220 fight Ala Netflix the Plaza. Residents are all former 1242 01:12:19,230 --> 01:12:23,480 athletes of some kind, and they had applicable fighting skills. 1243 01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:26,960 MMA, Wrestling, and all this other stuff. 1244 01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:30,680 Just like, yeah, weightlifting, weightlifting, yeah, well, just 1245 01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:35,220 so many. Different magically having the 1246 01:12:35,230 --> 01:12:37,390 ability to. Everyone's a superhero. 1247 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,660 I thought this was kind of like ohh, they're all superheroes. 1248 01:12:39,670 --> 01:12:41,950 Yeah, they're pretty much you. Avengers have assembled. 1249 01:12:42,620 --> 01:12:46,790 Yeah, bomb. That's the only thing that was 1250 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,050 missing when they come down the hallway. 1251 01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:55,400 We should recut it with The Avengers theme. 1252 01:12:55,710 --> 01:12:56,770 Ohh man. Ohh. 1253 01:12:56,780 --> 01:13:00,240 That would be OK. So we're not we're not liking 1254 01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:03,880 it, but we'll take it. Episode 20, Chai Hong. 1255 01:13:03,930 --> 01:13:06,280 Chau Hong. Oh my God, I'm having such a 1256 01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:10,980 tough time remembering her name. Chai Young Cha young, OK, she 1257 01:13:10,990 --> 01:13:14,850 gets shot. And I thought, oh, they're going 1258 01:13:14,860 --> 01:13:17,660 to. I honestly thought for a second, 1259 01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:19,500 what do you think? They were going to kill her off 1260 01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:22,790 and there was like gonna be a. Bad ending for that romance and 1261 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,410 for just that, that where you think they won. 1262 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,700 And then at the end there was like that final retribution from 1263 01:13:30,710 --> 01:13:34,410 the villains. I thought they were going to do 1264 01:13:34,420 --> 01:13:38,790 it. I didn't see her dying, but I 1265 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,990 did see her definitely getting hurt because she'd been 1266 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,280 unscathed this whole time. Makes sense. 1267 01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:45,180 Yeah. Even Vinchenzo was in a coma 1268 01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:47,670 and, like, recovered. Yeah, perfectly fine. 1269 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,630 But whatever. He got hurt. 1270 01:13:50,420 --> 01:13:54,300 The younger brother, the half brother actually died. 1271 01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:59,040 He's the one that dies. I thought that he would have, 1272 01:13:59,170 --> 01:14:01,870 wouldn't survive. I thought he might have 1273 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,300 survived, but he outright died. I felt awful. 1274 01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:07,790 That was so emotional for me to see him go. 1275 01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:10,380 Yeah, that was because he was such an endearing character. 1276 01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:13,290 Like he turned out to be someone you could root for. 1277 01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:15,970 Exactly. And that that's the big deal, is 1278 01:14:15,980 --> 01:14:24,590 that he was the lone green growing out of a bad situation. 1279 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,150 Corrupt. Yeah. 1280 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,410 So atmosphere seeing that, not being rewarded. 1281 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,190 Was a bit heartbreaking, for sure. 1282 01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:34,750 Yeah. Especially after they kind of 1283 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,670 made it seem like he found a brother in Vinny and that Vinny 1284 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,730 was a surrogate family. Yeah, for him. 1285 01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:45,130 Somebody. And that was terrible. 1286 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,790 And yeah, work with and everything. 1287 01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:49,730 Yeah, that. That was someone who wasn't 1288 01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:52,260 gonna belittle him and abuse him and bully him. 1289 01:14:52,270 --> 01:14:54,450 Exactly. Make him think he was going to 1290 01:14:54,460 --> 01:14:55,990 die at all this stuff. He's just. 1291 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,590 Yeah, that was a painful, brutal. 1292 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,590 People lost for the show. Then we get a lot of off of off 1293 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,950 things in this last episode because there is a giant 1294 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,270 reckoning, reckoning which finally happens. 1295 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,050 Bang Bang bang. The corrupt prosecutor who we 1296 01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:17,050 referred to prior, he gets his ass dumped off a roof. 1297 01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:21,610 The chief prosecutor, who's now the chief prosecutor, he was the 1298 01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:26,060 lawyer with glasses, that man. He got shanked on the steps of 1299 01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:30,090 the courthouse, bled all over the stone in front of the camera 1300 01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:31,580 crew that. Was there. 1301 01:15:31,630 --> 01:15:35,540 I mean it was very graphic. I found with like the blood, 1302 01:15:35,550 --> 01:15:37,260 like dripping down the steps and stuff. 1303 01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:40,760 I was like, Oh my God, they they really went after it in this 1304 01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:44,320 final episode of just like really just upping it up. 1305 01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:47,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They upped the ante a bit. 1306 01:15:47,290 --> 01:15:50,110 They did, yeah. And served it back finally to 1307 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,280 the villains and the lawyer, Ojima. 1308 01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:54,810 What do you think of her? Comeuppance. 1309 01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:57,890 Because he. Kidnapped her. 1310 01:15:59,170 --> 01:16:01,300 Tighter to a chair. Barefoot. 1311 01:16:01,310 --> 01:16:03,800 Yep. He had already done something to 1312 01:16:03,810 --> 01:16:06,980 her feet. It looked like, yeah, there was 1313 01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:08,800 her barefoot. Yeah, there was something that 1314 01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:09,560 he did. She her. 1315 01:16:09,570 --> 01:16:12,840 She was already bleeding and in pain from her feet. 1316 01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:15,180 Then he said he was going to make her dance. 1317 01:16:15,190 --> 01:16:17,770 And I thought, Oh my God, what is he going to do? 1318 01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:21,160 Signature Vinny Pyro move. He lights her ass on fire. 1319 01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:23,560 Lights are on fire. Ohh. 1320 01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:26,420 And I was like. Well, how? 1321 01:16:26,430 --> 01:16:32,700 Well, if you think about back in the court case, he kind of lets 1322 01:16:32,710 --> 01:16:36,060 them like kind of. Get out of it like they win the 1323 01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:40,420 court case, right? But the people that he wants 1324 01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:45,260 specific retribution on, they don't get like the full 1325 01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:48,830 comeuppance of the law. They get to come up dance of 1326 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,990 vinchenzo. Yes. 1327 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,970 And that's what he really wanted. 1328 01:16:52,980 --> 01:16:56,990 He wanted them to suffer the way he he wanted them to suffer. 1329 01:16:57,300 --> 01:16:59,190 Yeah. And I love that aspect of the 1330 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,500 show where he's repeatedly like if I wanted you dead, I would 1331 01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:04,590 have killed you. I would have killed you by now. 1332 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,470 I would have killed you. I. 1333 01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,500 And what was his nickname? They said he said his nickname 1334 01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:13,530 was like Cat Gotham or something because he always plays with his 1335 01:17:13,540 --> 01:17:16,130 food like a cat does. Yeah. 1336 01:17:16,180 --> 01:17:18,440 Yeah. But and that's what he was doing 1337 01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:20,170 the whole thing. You last few episodes. 1338 01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:21,940 Just toying with them, toying with them. 1339 01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:24,220 He wouldn't like. He would kill everyone around 1340 01:17:24,230 --> 01:17:28,270 them just to show like. I'm not going to kill you yet, 1341 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:31,490 because you deserve something worse and stuff like that. 1342 01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:33,580 This is worse. Definitely worse. 1343 01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:37,790 Actually worse. The Olympic wrestler, the Beanie 1344 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,230 Man, he got full on, stabbed in the chest. 1345 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,610 Yes, he did. And while he was gasping for 1346 01:17:42,620 --> 01:17:45,110 breath, what does he do? He asked Vinnie to be the 1347 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:50,350 godfather of his baby. Come on. 1348 01:17:50,820 --> 01:17:53,030 The godfather. Come on. 1349 01:17:53,680 --> 01:18:00,440 Come on, come on. Then he finally gets tech in a 1350 01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:04,620 Russian mafia torture device like something out of saw yeah 1351 01:18:04,670 --> 01:18:06,240 ohh the movie The movie franchise. 1352 01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:11,050 And tech starts begging, begging for his life or for him to just 1353 01:18:11,060 --> 01:18:14,620 shoot him. Yeah, and Vinny even takes his 1354 01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:19,560 watch as a trophy, takes tachyons watch as a trophy and 1355 01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:22,240 just walks off. He's like, yeah, every 5 minutes 1356 01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:24,440 this thing's going to start drilling into your body and 1357 01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:25,960 you're going to die a very painful death. 1358 01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:30,960 And I was like, whoa, he was messing around. 1359 01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:35,160 He wasn't messing around, dude. He wasn't messing around. 1360 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,450 Yeah, I do like that. They show tech like the next day 1361 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,250 and he looks really weak and bloodied up and there's this 1362 01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:48,470 crow there that starts pecking at his body. 1363 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,830 Why did I think of the lighthouse? 1364 01:18:53,290 --> 01:18:56,620 Tell me why I thought of the lighthouse with Robert Pattinson 1365 01:18:56,630 --> 01:19:01,080 and Oh my God, what's his name? William dofo. 1366 01:19:01,610 --> 01:19:04,540 Oh my God. Yeah, yeah I can. 1367 01:19:05,550 --> 01:19:08,670 It's very Greek tragedy of them. Ohh. 1368 01:19:08,730 --> 01:19:12,980 I guess another thing it kind of reminds me of is when I well 1369 01:19:12,990 --> 01:19:16,310 this is like a Game of Thrones thing where. 1370 01:19:17,060 --> 01:19:20,690 Villain finally like gets his comeuppance and he's like tied 1371 01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:23,150 to a chair and he's already bloodied and everything from 1372 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:28,310 like the battle in the war and as a last fu to him. 1373 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,940 Like they release his hounds. And they're like, yeah, would 1374 01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:37,280 never like bite me then whatever. 1375 01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:41,180 It's like they haven't eaten watch days. 1376 01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:44,360 How loyal is that for going to really be? 1377 01:19:44,450 --> 01:19:49,420 And so then just before like they show the dog attack. 1378 01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:55,500 Like they cut away to Sophie Turner's reaction and she like 1379 01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:58,680 kind of like in disgust, kind of like turns, but then she like 1380 01:19:58,690 --> 01:20:03,000 turns back and watches it all like pleasure, like it. 1381 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,150 Yeah, it's really good. Damn. 1382 01:20:08,060 --> 01:20:10,450 Damn. Well, one thing that I liked 1383 01:20:10,460 --> 01:20:13,400 about the show is that they did this more and more throughout 1384 01:20:13,410 --> 01:20:15,950 towards, especially in the last few episodes as they were kind 1385 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,270 of taking a page out of the Ocean's 11 playbook where they 1386 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,130 showed some of the planning, yes, but when it came to the 1387 01:20:22,140 --> 01:20:25,890 execution, they showed the final product, which was extraordinary 1388 01:20:25,900 --> 01:20:28,790 and shocking, and then backed up and showed you how they pulled 1389 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,090 it off for real. I like when when movies and 1390 01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:35,350 shows do that. Show us the planning, then the 1391 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,050 end result. Yeah. 1392 01:20:37,060 --> 01:20:39,340 And then go back and show us how the end result actually went 1393 01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:42,030 through. That's really, yeah, I love that 1394 01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:45,910 device as a way of like explaining a story. 1395 01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:47,660 That's a really good way of going about it. 1396 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,600 Yeah, so they did that in the later episodes, especially um. 1397 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,570 He gets out of Korea, he's got, you know, bounty on his head, 1398 01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:58,910 whatever, the governments after him. 1399 01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,050 And he ends up sneaking back into Korea after a year. 1400 01:21:02,180 --> 01:21:06,160 And he tells Chiung, Oh my God, if I get her name wrong. 1401 01:21:06,220 --> 01:21:07,930 One child. Yeah, it is triune. 1402 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,360 You got it. OK he tells her that he took 1403 01:21:11,370 --> 01:21:15,710 over the family and he bought an island off Malta and he missed 1404 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,180 her. And she ends up scoffing at 1405 01:21:18,190 --> 01:21:20,270 that, that she that he missed her. 1406 01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:23,350 And so to prove that he missed her, he kisses her and they 1407 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,960 make. Out on the stairs and I have in 1408 01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:26,200 my notes. Love it. 1409 01:21:29,940 --> 01:21:32,540 Love it. No, it was a good. 1410 01:21:32,620 --> 01:21:34,630 Love that for them it was a good sequence. 1411 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,450 Yes, yes. Yeah, it was good. 1412 01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:39,890 It was good. Now I don't know how to feel 1413 01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:44,330 about the final voiceover cuz he says he used three family 1414 01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:48,160 members from a different Mafia family as fertilizer for his 1415 01:21:48,170 --> 01:21:51,450 vineyard. He doesn't care about justice 1416 01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:56,710 since justice is weak and empty. If justice was merciless, then 1417 01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,990 he'd yield to it. He swears he's still a villain. 1418 01:22:00,660 --> 01:22:04,630 And the final line of the whole show is evil is prevalent and 1419 01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,630 vehement, which is delivered in Italian, right? 1420 01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:16,830 I don't mind him showing himself as, yeah, I am a villain, I 1421 01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,130 don't mind it right because at the end of the day, like he 1422 01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:23,250 still has like that mafia connection to him. 1423 01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:27,520 You know, he still has like that influence of mafia in him. 1424 01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:31,700 So yeah, I don't. I don't see a problem. 1425 01:22:32,430 --> 01:22:34,950 I thought that it would be a little. 1426 01:22:36,940 --> 01:22:38,320 I don't know. I thought it would be a mixed 1427 01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:40,130 tone, just like the rest of the show. 1428 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,220 This went full dark, like this was the tone that I wanted 1429 01:22:43,230 --> 01:22:46,020 throughout the whole show. Like I wanted a fucking noir. 1430 01:22:46,710 --> 01:22:48,300 Yes. You know what I'm saying? 1431 01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:49,730 I know. That's what I wanted. 1432 01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:51,300 This wasn't, and it wasn't. OK. 1433 01:22:51,310 --> 01:22:53,980 This wasn't that. But the ending had a noir 1434 01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:57,560 ending, so to speak. It did, you know. 1435 01:22:57,570 --> 01:22:59,680 Yeah. And so I can understand it. 1436 01:22:59,690 --> 01:23:03,580 So if you look at the show bookend, so if you look at the 1437 01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:06,840 very beginning and the very end, and that is the only thing you 1438 01:23:06,850 --> 01:23:09,340 saw, you would assume that the show, the entire show was a 1439 01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:12,600 noir. And it doesn't really go that 1440 01:23:12,610 --> 01:23:15,390 way. Throughout the show, the show 1441 01:23:15,540 --> 01:23:18,010 changes into something completely different. 1442 01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:22,700 So I get the weird tonal shift and kind of like the 1443 01:23:22,710 --> 01:23:26,360 disappointment of the way it ends, like in that regard, 1444 01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:30,710 because they never. Completes its promise on what we 1445 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,800 thought it would be. Hmm. 1446 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,620 And then it rubs it in your face with the ending. 1447 01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:40,740 So I get it OK. But I liked it. 1448 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:43,550 I liked it. I liked the show overall. 1449 01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,430 Anyway. Overall, I like the show. 1450 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,430 I think it's a good show. I have come to the end of my 1451 01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,670 notes. What else did you have to say? 1452 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:54,030 Ohh Cadillac product placement. Yep, evidently everyone in Korea 1453 01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,570 has catalogs, of course. Of course they do. 1454 01:23:57,540 --> 01:24:02,780 Also fun product placement with the Coco Copaco coffee tablets. 1455 01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,550 I particularly laughed when someone was like they wake me 1456 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,330 up. Did they give you that from 1457 01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:11,520 coffee? Kopiko. 1458 01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:16,190 Kopiko is that they say they must have just like yeah ohh, 1459 01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:20,050 they wake you up. OK, Umm, terrible. 1460 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,250 It feels like in Truman show when they're having an argument 1461 01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:26,790 and then she has like the commercial and he just goes 1462 01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:28,890 where? Who are you talking to? 1463 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,980 Who are you talking to? That's literally how I feel when 1464 01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:35,810 the product placement is over. I that. 1465 01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:38,010 I defer to that in my head. I'm just like who are you 1466 01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:39,620 talking to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1467 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,330 Truman Show, who are you talking about? 1468 01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:46,960 That's a good one. Ohh man. 1469 01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:53,580 Alright, on the show itself, I don't think I have anything else 1470 01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:56,680 I do like. I mean everybody was dressed so 1471 01:24:56,690 --> 01:25:00,800 well throughout the show. I mean the main players and the 1472 01:25:00,810 --> 01:25:07,340 Boo rauru Rove suits that were on Vincenzo Sharps on Vincenzo. 1473 01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,950 Yeah, great stuff. Just great stuff. 1474 01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,380 We're doing the Italians like, yeah. 1475 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,250 Just hand gesture. What is that? 1476 01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:21,130 What do you call that? Oh my God. 1477 01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:24,590 I don't know what the hand gesture, it's definitely it's 1478 01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,570 like the hand gesture that goes with like chef's kids, like it 1479 01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:31,330 goes with chef's kiss and yeah exactly. 1480 01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,790 Yeah. So that hand gesture, I mean, he 1481 01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,380 is Vincenzo Cassano. Yeah. 1482 01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:41,720 So it goes well with it. So, yeah, yeah, overall, good 1483 01:25:41,730 --> 01:25:45,120 show. Yeah, wish there was more noir. 1484 01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:50,110 Wish there was a little more serious tone throughout the 1485 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,070 show. I don't mind injecting some 1486 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,190 comedy, but not like at all these different weird levels 1487 01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:02,850 that it did. So yeah, so I think this shows 1488 01:26:03,220 --> 01:26:04,870 good. It's a good show. 1489 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,970 Where would you rank it? Where did you say you would rank 1490 01:26:06,980 --> 01:26:07,610 it? Four or five? 1491 01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:10,730 I want to say like 4K5 on my cage dramas because there's 1492 01:26:10,740 --> 01:26:13,580 other ones that I watched thoroughly, but when I think 1493 01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:16,170 about them like, I lost a little bit. 1494 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,240 For them you know. So this one I think I had a good 1495 01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:26,200 spot like #5, but I gotta look at the shows again because my 1496 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,210 clear number one is signal. It is. 1497 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,790 You love saying that. It was a great show. 1498 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,110 You're like, Yep, I thought it was a great show. 1499 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,120 So. But yeah, nice. 1500 01:26:40,670 --> 01:26:44,330 Alright, I think that's all we have for vinchenzo. 1501 01:26:44,410 --> 01:26:45,980 Yeah, I think we went through the show. 1502 01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:49,650 Pretty well. We gave it a thorough rundown. 1503 01:26:49,660 --> 01:26:51,040 Yes we did. It was. 1504 01:26:51,150 --> 01:26:52,560 Yeah. Yeah. 1505 01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:54,920 Anyway, I think we're just going to get out of here. 1506 01:26:54,990 --> 01:26:58,640 Rigo, please say a word to everyone who is wishing you well 1507 01:26:58,690 --> 01:27:01,140 and loves to hear you on the show. 1508 01:27:01,350 --> 01:27:02,560 Ohh. Yeah, of course. 1509 01:27:02,570 --> 01:27:09,000 So thank you to everyone who has supported the show who has asked 1510 01:27:09,050 --> 01:27:13,580 about me and me being off the show for such a long time. 1511 01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:19,570 Health was part of it, but also. My my job kind of keeps me away 1512 01:27:19,580 --> 01:27:23,010 from this part of this, from this part of the aspect of 1513 01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:25,780 always the critics. So again, much appreciated. 1514 01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:30,390 Thank you for all the support that you show Jessica on daybook 1515 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,390 for showing us support on always a critic. 1516 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:38,250 Overall it is something that it does not go unnoticed. 1517 01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:41,880 So thank you and we appreciate you guys. 1518 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,070 Yes. All right. 1519 01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:48,770 Thanks, Rico. I'm so upset that this is pretty 1520 01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:52,890 much it for season 3 for you, but I'll be back for more next 1521 01:27:52,900 --> 01:27:55,430 week. As you all know, that's been our 1522 01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,760 show. I'm Jessica, and this has been 1523 01:27:57,770 --> 01:28:00,400 the ATC percent stepback rambles podcast. 1524 01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:05,970 Channeling. And shut up. 1525 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:14,730 Oh damn, man. Don't know. 1526 01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:20,820 Vocal stand. Song. 1527 01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:34,410 Boy, if we die. Man, it's like a ghost. 1528 01:28:36,430 --> 01:28:42,660 OK. Stop. 1529 01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:49,740 Dance song. Nobody. 1530 01:28:53,810 --> 01:29:00,550 The same. It's a non demented. 1531 01:29:04,770 --> 01:29:13,570 Shut up. Shut up, man. 1532 01:29:27,660 --> 01:29:33,680 She lives. It is. 1533 01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:40,220 Send.