I'm Jessica and this is a TC presents.
Your Bucky Rambles were a couple of friends review Korean.
Dramas we go is absent again today.
So, I have a very special guest with me.
I am joined by Jenny from Poncho playlist.
Oh hey Jenny, what's up? Hi, welcome or welcome.
Hi! I'm happy to be here, awhile.
I feel like I'm so used to, like, doing my own podcast.
I know. Welcome people.
Come listen, it's like welcome to the ATC listeners.
Happy to be here. Yeah, thank you so much for
coming on. I'm so excited to have you on.
I listened to your podcast and I was a little bit disappointed
that you guys didn't like happiness on much, but it's
okay. It's okay.
I loved your deep dark. This is pretty reset your Deep
dive on all of us are dead now. What's really good?
I you guys like did the whole thing all at once which is nice
too. It was a short drama.
So you know, yeah I love it when Netflix comes out with
everything at work because we were just like binge.
And then re recap and we're like, that was great.
I know, I totally get that. I'm a Binger I love.
Binging, I can't do like the weekly.
It's so stressful for me. Anyway, in case some of our
listeners haven't listened to your podcast or don't know, Oh,
you very well. We're just going to do a quick
like rapid fire background on kdrama.
Like what was your first kdrama? So my first kdrama was in like
2009. It was called you're beautiful
and I had parked in. It was a wild girl lot and if
anybody doesn't know about it, it's so crazy.
It's just really unfortunate is like a nun or something, or none
in training and yes, like take her twin brothers place in the
K-Pop group and it has this. Like because I was really into
Kpop at the time and like Where I was in Decay dramas.
And so I was a huge ftisland fan of anyone knows who that is.
And so, one of the members is in that cage mama.
So that's kind of why I started watching it and you know, just
opened the door into kdrama land so that was my first one.
Oh my God I loved your beautiful as well and like the hair the
makeup the style just did an aged very well but I love that
drama that I think that might have been my first time watching
a watching action, a drama and yeah, it was like a gender
bender. She was hurting.
Win. It was like a Twelfth Night kind
of deal. Meet Sound of Music.
She was a nun. It's like a crazy like wild,
there is so many things happening and it was hilarious.
And like I had never watched a cage on the at that point.
And I think I was just so broken by all the like, because there's
so many guys in that Gap. They all like spoiler.
I guess they all end up kind of liking her and I just remember,
being like, how is she not with these beautiful men?
Like like know what's happened? How did she resist?
Happy. Exactly.
And so now, I was like, oh, like now I know K.
Dramas are like this. Yeah, it's a good good intro
for. Yeah.
I think if you liked maybe Scarlet, Heart video and you
know along those lines words like a lot of guys and one girl,
you'll definitely like you're beautiful from 2009.
What is your favorite kdrama? You don't have to limit it.
So yeah, I called things my favorite hey drama, just because
I've watched it so many times like there's a lot of cages.
Mama's that I really like. And I feel like I just don't
know if I could watch it again, but these ones are like my easy
just like bread and butter like kdrama.
So one that I watched Lots on Netflix, do I believe it's
called strong girl bunk suits. Basically, there's this tiny
girl Park bogum. She's like super cute.
She's like super strong because of whatever mystical power and
it's just the love lines. And that are like amazing.
And this is adorable, an older one called my, I love from a
star. It's really classy.
Have you seen this one? Yes, I have.
Yeah, it's so good. It's cancion.
He's like, yes, only recently. He was in.
It's okay not to be okay. Recently, also love that kdrama
and a couple of recent ones, Hospital playlist and our
beloved summer. I think these came out like this
year and couple years ago, but just amazing kdramas to kind of
turn on and, you know, just watch through a couple of times
and then some sadder ones that I also really like, is my mr.
I think you actually recap this on your podcast, I'll be with
you soon as Nietzsche, right? Yes.
Yeah. So sad, I cried on the podcast.
Like I would never like, dude, zero out of ten would recommend
crying on Ibaka. I can imagine how you recap that
show because I would have bawled my eyes homologous to you.
It was such a tough review, and yeah, it's depressing, but it's
an excellent drama. I highly recommend it for sure,
for sure. And then, another one recently,
called move to Heaven. This was actually so on.
Such a player's, we're anchor kdramas.
I think was the last year or whenever this came out, it was
literally number one on our list because they're like, it's just
so good like so great. Yeah, that it hurts so good.
Exactly, okay, jamas. And then lastly Goblin, which
will be reviewing today. Oh my God.
Yes I am. So excited to cover Goblin, what
would you say is your, like, genre your top, like a drama
genre? I.
So, I feel like I will always love a good cave romance, but
there needs to be a little A bit of comedy.
And then the other half of me is like slice-of-life.
Give me that leg pain. Give me that.
Yes. So I'm firmly in those two boats
which are, I would say pretty far apart from each other
sometimes. But like yeah those are two my
two top, very nice. I think we have similar tastes.
And honestly, like all the ones that you mentioned were your
favorite kdramas are like some of the best kdramas of all
times, drunk girl, double our blood.
Summer and Goblin. Like these are great ones so you
can't go wrong by following. If you guys want like a
playlist, a poacher playlist from Jenny of like things to
watch her. Favorite, dramas are excellent
place to start. Thank you, yes.
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Do you want to do the honors Jenny and read the Asian Wiki
synopsis? Yes, I will try to get through
this insanely long, long time. So I know.
All right, so an ancient times condition was an unbeatable War
General but the young gel is King frames isn't as a traitor
and kills him commission became still Gabby.
Who is the goblin? Possessing an immortal life at
first, he thinks that he's blessed but he He then realizes
that he is cursed closer to present-day commission weighed
nine hundred years were human brides and his mortal life.
One night, he saves the dying pregnant woman, who is destined
to Die. The woman gives birth to a baby
girl named didn't in Tech and president didn't take as a high
school student. She sees ghosts and here's the
whisper of Ducky B's. Bride on her birthday doing
text. It's in the sea with a lighted
birthday cake, at this time condition suddenly appears in
front of her Kim. Jin does not know why.
But he can hear her voice and pure before her against his
will, Coincidentally commission lives with a grim reaper at the
same house. Okay.
Yeah thank you so much for reading that that's basically
episode 1 of the show. Yeah, right.
Basically episode 1 Goblin aka the okay, Bak a guardian, the
great and Only God originally aired from December 2016, 2
January 2017. And I should say that 2016 is
the year of Our Lord, because there were so many great, great,
great kdramas, that came out that A year later, W moon lovers
signal can to control. Be far away, lifting.
Very can both Jew descendants of the sun, like a handful of
these, we've covered on the show.
Amazing kdramas. I don't know if we can, like,
live up to like that year again. Just like crazy for sure.
Yeah, Goblin was 16 episodes long and it's directed by e.
Um, book, He's directed ji-sun sweet home on Netflix.
Mr. Sunshine, which is another great Cajun.
From 2018, he also directed I just mentioned it.
Descendants of the Sun from 2016, and both dream highs Dream
High, another great Kpop show with, like, guess what was it?
Like, YG, I think, YG's by GI Remember, by, just know I you
with it. And I was like, I, that's the
first time I saw you. Yes, exactly.
That was 2011. So pretty dated for for us now.
And Goblin come Goblin was written.
By a chemo and Suk and she has worked with the director before
on descendants of the Sun and mr.
Sunshine, and she's also written things like Secret Garden from
2010, Gentleman's Dignity, the air is from 2013 with Lee
Min-ho, the king Eternal Monarch also with leaving home, and she
is just basically a prolific writer, so keep an eye on her
stuff if you like any of these shows.
Definitely keep an eye on her because you'll probably like her
next show. For sure, we've got a crazy cast
on Deck. Here we have.
Going you as Kim Shin, he's done a bunch of movies, train to
Busan being one of them silenced in 2011, he's done a bunch of TV
as well. Considering he's the coffee
prince from 20, 2007, squid game Cameo which like had everyone in
a tizzy. And then he was most recently in
the silence E from 2021 Kim goeun is June Tak goblins bride.
She's been in a bunch of movies. The first time I saw her was in
a movie, and I really like this movie memories of the stored
with, and it has do know in it. You do know highly recommends
like a historical kind of fantasy and like I highly
recommend it. I don't hear enough.
People talking about memories of the sordid.
Like was really good to me and then tune in for love with Jung
Han. He's she's acting like all these
like hot actors and then she's done a bunch of TVs.
Well, cheese in the Trap from 2016, which is not.
I don't find it very well. A very good show but there's
that she was also with Lee Min Ho and the King Eternal Monarch.
You me cells 2021, she will be in Little Women later this year
so I'm excited for that one and then our second leads we have
either a mooc as Grim Reaper and Ewing that as Sonny and sunny.
I mean Sonny you and not was recently and Snowdrop.
I first saw her You are the queen onions man which was like
this is all the rage in 2012. You don't look, I think I saw
him first in my girl which was like an older drama from 2005.
Do you have like where did you first see these people because
this cast is stacked but yeah, they have gone on to do great
things but they also had stuff before Goblin that people
recognize them from. Did you recognize this cast
before you came in to see? Goblin.
So I so I knew of cui-ui, actually, this is probably like
a sin in the cage on world. I've never watched coffee before
going to be getting off the show right now but no, no watched it.
It's very good. It's very 2007 like mid-2000s.
But I would say that it's kind of hard to watch now because
it's kind of nowhere, like you can't really find it in places.
It's not easy. Just like I did now.
Yeah, I just what I think, I think at some point, like if
there's a lull in your kdrama watching.
Mm-hmm. Definitely try and find it and
watch coffee prince but it's okay.
Sure. Forgiving we have you watched
train tickets Please I have. Yeah I have lost chances was
that and zombie Korean related movie thing for sure so I vote
shouldn't lose on so I didn't know of call you from there but
it was my first time seeing him in kind of like a romance or
like goofy role because like and try to pusan.
And he was like, fighting for his life.
Yes. Yeah, just like was kind of like
okay. Like interesting, this is gonna
be fun King:. This is my first time seeing her
like I did never watch use in the Trap so I was like okay like
she seems really sweet like yeah, I don't really have any
expectations. You don't look as well.
Actually had never seen any shows with him up until Goblin.
You're Rising me right now. Jay.
Yeah, I don't like I feel like oh okay, he wasn't really my
style. No younger.
I watch kdrama because I was like that guy's hot and like,
you don't was kind of like, I don't know.
He was really my taste. I've never really liked.
Actively pursued. His cage.
Alma's Sam. Yes.
Yeah, you gotta be right. You know, I get you because I'm
looking at him like I don't get it.
Like why do people? Yeah you know fawn over him but
it's okay. You know.
Everyone has their own taste but oh, for sure, for sure.
So this was your first experience with him in a show.
The first area, and then Sonny, I saw her in love from Star but
like it never really. Click.
I'm terrible with like names and face recognition and so like
I'll like be watching a drama with my boyfriend and he'll be
like, oh you know, we've seen that person in like all these
jobs and I'll be like we have like I've never seen this person
in my life until like was sunny. I was like oh I don't think I've
seen her in anything and then I re-watched like my love from the
star and I was like, oh no. That's that's funny.
Puppy my Goblin. Yeah, yeah.
It was like, one of those moments but yeah.
So definitely kind of like, like, introduced a lot of these
People and like re-watching it this time around in the podcast
to it made me realize how many amazing actors are in Goblin as
just really side rolls. I was like hey you know yes a
lot of people came out of the show like on a like their stars
now like Kim sohyun and she plays like the queen in a in all
the flashbacks and command J plays the king in flashbacks and
like those two alone have gone on and done really great.
Mama's and have become well known like Kim and Jay did like
was it that lie and that lie and something cocky Iranians, a
cocky Prince? Yes it yes.
And Kim sohyun has done things like love alarm.
Yeah. Which is huge on Netflix right?
You know totally blew up. Yeah and like Jung Han was like
you know the baseball kid the Cami of the singer.
It's like that was jugging. Like I had to rewind.
The scene was like, wait, no, I think is that Ashley?
And I was like, yeah, shoot, yeah, amazing because you watch
them in other dramas and you see how their career flourishes and
you don't think how it's that one guy from episode 7 of
goblins, like, you just don't, you don't read like, yeah, for
sure. Okay, so all of this out of the
way, we have our caste, we have whoever is behind the camera.
What did you think of goblin? I know this was a real.
A watch. But like, what?
How do you feel? So I've seen Goblin now probably
four times. And like, so like and it's crazy
cause like, every single time I watch it, I'm like, dang, this
is a good freakin drama, you know, like cause I watch Goblin
of the guavas. Amazing, I'll wash like 56k jobs
and re-watch him like dank goblins.
Amazing, it's just like a Timeless piece.
I think for me personally, first episode was kind of tough to get
through because I'm not a big historical.
About person but then like the moment we kind of get into like
really like the kind of current Day stuff.
Like I feel like it was just like we're on a train and we
were going you know, ROM so I personally loved it.
I think it was a great show. I definitely think it was almost
like I don't want to say ahead of its time but like I would say
that a lot of more elements that are in Goblin in 2016 are like
more apparent now and like today's like kdrama tropes like
I would say like the goblin has turned itself into a Trope,
almost, you know, Look like in this the code deities and
whatnot. But yeah, sorry to answer your
question, a very long-winded way.
It was a great, great show. I truly enjoyed it and like if
anyone hasn't seen it like thousand percent recommend,
okay, so first of all, you don't have to worry about rambling
because that's what K Rambles is working.
Like I'm constantly rambling, it doesn't matter.
We'll get to our destination. Eventually for me, I would say
that it was hard to separate like, how I first felt about
this drama with coming out. Like so many years later and we
watching it again because when I was just like when it was airing
and I was like caught up like I was legitimately like, I lived
and breathed Goblin, I love the show.
I was mad every time the episode ended it was like yeah I was
just it was Ray me out to dry and I loved going you and I had
I think I had never seen Kim going before.
It was like an experience. To watch this and feel all of
these emotions and and kind of understand like that this was a
Global Drama. Hmm and things they were doing
things like you said that our kind of common place now like
going overseas and filming overseas and Quebec Canada.
Like I've never seen, I had never seen the drama where they
left Korea, right? Completely yeah.
So filming can I was like, oh my god, I've never I think this was
the first drama where I saw Subway product placement.
For the first time in the cage. Mama for sure.
For sure. I was like I think I was
watching this like last week and I was like dang I really want
some Subway now makes it was at first but 100% like first kdrama
walls like that sandwich looks so good like I would give an arm
of Life. Sanitary.
Yeah you need some weight look life-changing and I was upset at
it the first time that I saw it because I was like, is that
Subway and they're, they're eating it with Augusta, like
that's the best feelings I've ever had in their lives.
I mean they did a great job like product placement but again I
reiterate I do not condone Subway product placement,
engaging probably the worst thing anyway.
Yeah so this drama did a lot of new things and I appreciate that
the OST is all time. Oh gosh.
All time all the time like top-tier unassailable, OST and
like this OST lives on like way. Past the drama.
And that's the goal of creating an OSD that like brings you back
to 2016, ya know. And like 100% I remember I
actually, so, when I watch this originally I watch it on some
like random sites. But recently, I watched it on
Vicky and like, Vicki, this is amazing thing where they
actually translate the OST lyric.
Yes, and I remember being like, wow, this just do St, hit
different like and it just because You now have read the
lyrics. I'm not Korean.
So I don't know what they're saying.
Right. But then now reading the lyrics
in that scene, with the song you're like, oh my God, this is
a work of art like this is genius like this OST so
perfectly like written and place.
It's just amazing. Like, I less Vicki for doing
that. The last Mickey.
Yeah, he suffers doing the Lord's work here because I'm
sure we had all of the lyrics on screen for us when you watch it,
on Vicky. And this is not a Vicki to plug
Vicki, but you know, Vicky has great subbers.
And you had bangers like Stay With Me by Tanya and pain.
You had beautiful by crash like which kills me to this day Round
and Round by highs and Huntsville.
G, like, the list goes on and on every one of these songs is
worthy to be on a playlist worthy, to be replayed over and
over again. Yeah, and I would say, like a
small thing that just gets me is like, there's always like the
big OST songs, but then the work that they put into like, don't
call them like Angles, but kind of like the side songs, you
know, kind of just like the Pumas, the Cool vibe songs, like
even those are like low-key bangers, like, I'm like coming
home is like, it's not even a song technically, you know.
Right. Just like that level of effort
and so the whole musical, like side of this drama was amazing.
So watching it this time around again, I it was hard because I
was like, this is a really good drama, but there's certain
aspects of the drama that I have.
Complain about. And I have to talk about like
basically the age Gap romance, which I have come on this
podcast and Mauro the movie podcast.
And I'm constantly saying that I hate age gaps and I'm not
talking about age differences. I'm talking about and a Chasm
between their ages. And in this case, going you at
the time was 38 and can go and was 26.
Yep. Yep.
So that's a 12-year age gap
between them and yeah. It was hot and then it's
Pounded, because obviously, he's an immortal Goblin.
And then she plays a 19 year old, barely legal girl.
It was uncomfy because they do get a couple like, little
physical season. I'm like, mmm.
Because like, like I hate to bring other kdramas another like
movies in here. But like whenever I think of a
chats I think of Twilight and like and like for some reason I
made this is just me in Middle. We'll be like I love Edward
Cullen but like it's fair to me I was like oh this is okay
because they look similar in age you know because you know Edward
and Bella were both like high school kids even though he's
really really old. Yeah.
But the fact that gum you looks a lot older.
Yes. You know it's just that's what
makes it a little more uncomfy. Come like oh he's like a and
like she calls him. I just shoot you wish.
Like watching Korean is like you're not even opening you
know, you're like an old man to me, you know, and it's like So
that was weird and like I get it's like the fates and the love
lines are fated to love but I was like as just a good mortal
being like this it makes you feel a little bit weird.
So yes a lot that you brought that up.
Yeah. The age Gap was a mate.
It's got a bad aftertaste. Like it leaves such a bad
aftertaste on the show. Yeah.
Because like you said there they look their ages.
Well they look at that. There's like there's a big age
gap between them and of course her personality.
Jim talks personality in the show is very Sent a naive and
Lively. And she's just so young.
She feels her character feels young.
She feels like a teenager. Probably even less of a
teenager. Yeah, for sure.
And I get like they're trying to make her mature and like she's
supposed to be a girl who like kind of grew up too fast or
whatever. But like, but when she's around
him, she's not very interesting. It's hard.
And then cognac an old soul. He's playing like this one.
Wow. So it feels very uncomfortable
to watch them a grade live out this like, amazing star-crossed
lovers plotline, hmm, don't even know you love it.
You're like, you're like, I want them to be the other, but at the
same time, this is very icky. Yeah.
It just it definitely leaves like a weird effect and I'm glad
that they were at least tasteful with it.
Like, for most of the drama. I don't want to give out any
spoilers. Talk about this more later, but,
like, you know, they were okay, like, they weren't like, Doing
too much. Yeah on.
Which was nice. But yeah, just idea of it was
kind of like oh she's your bride.
Sure. But like yeah another complaint
that I would have is that the supernatural lore is extremely
confusing. I have more questions than
answers at this point and I've seen this drama, I think three
times by now. Yeah.
My whole life. Like I don't know what sir what
who certain characters are. I don't know what their deal is.
I don't Know if they're good, if they're bad, if they're a mix,
if it feels Mythic and in a way, I don't have the text to bridge.
The gap here between the drama and like what they're basing
this on and that. Yes, another very annoying
aspect of the show is that they, it feels kind of arbitrary when
they're changing rules and making up rules and setting you
up for, okay, this is this is what this means in this world.
And then, you know, every Years will look like, you know, thank
you. They give you a lot of
exposition and then at the end there like it doesn't matter
like, you know. Yeah.
Absolutely. It's confusing because like I
think we're used to in K jumps. He's usually like one Supreme
Being but I feel like a goblin, there's kind of many and I don't
know if that's just maybe like all right maybe it's a Koreans
kind of know what's going on but like us people who aren't Korean
are just like what do you mean? There's another God like yeah
you know like and so maybe Maybe that's part of it, I think.
But I think what you said exactly is right at the end
where it's like, actually don't worry about any of that.
So it doesn't matter because love trumps all and that's what
we're here for. So yea the rioting it's like
they gave it such high stakes and then they were like doesn't
matter like it's fine. Yeah we're good.
Annoying Bromance was a plus Mmm between goblin and the reaper
amazing. I like the development as well
because they definitely started off in one place.
And then they have a lot of history and then they end up in
a completely different place. And there's this kinship and
familial aspect to them. That feels kind of feels like it
goes beyond Bromance. A little bit.
It just feels. Yeah.
Nice to see by the end their development.
I agree. I think one of the But
chemistry's, like in this show is really between Grim Reaper
and goblet like more so than even the romances, it's like
their chemistry really drives the whole show forward because
it's, there's so many dark themes and I'm sure we'll get
into a lot of them but it's like, yes, the love, the fates
all that. But then you have just really
cute little moments between Goblin and Grim Reaper.
And they do it so well where you're like it's like do you
like they did you into a hole and you're just like, ah, so
many so many bad things are happening.
Happening and they're like, oh, but let me, let me give you this
really cute. Bromancing of goblin in a grim
reaper and right. Oh, I see light.
So definitely like a back-and-forth but totally
agreed that, like, chemistry just is unparalleled.
And like when you and you don't like garlic, really, really good
friends to this day. Like they I think I've seen them
all my reality shows where they're just like hanging out
drinking like dinner things like they're like truly best friends.
I think. Uh you feel it you feel.
It is wrong for sure is Anything else that you want to say in a
general sense before I get into fun facts and then we can give
our soldier bottle readings. Yeah, I guess my last thing I
want to touch on before we get into the main like recap, I
guess is just the second lead couple, like I always disliked,
like a third kind of person who like crazy get into the
relationship. And I was a little bit worried
with eating Luke's character. What I think when I first
watched the show because I do is he gonna be like a third trying
to mess up Goblin and, you know, whatever.
But the fact that they just gave grim / and Sonny, just the best
second lead storyline. Like for me.
I love that. Like, that's one of the reasons
why I think I've re-watched Goblin because it's like half of
the time. It's her Goblin and other half
is a grim reaper and sunny, you know, you bring up a good point
because I don't know if I necessarily gravitate toward the
secondly, but I know fundamentally like objectively.
It's a great second lead couple and I love that they get so much
screen time, you know to. Yeah.
Grow And work out their stuff a little bit and kind of just
wallow in their feelings a lot. I feel like that's a better way
of putting like their interactions.
Those that they just wallow in their emotions with each other.
Yeah, and that's kind of nice because you feel their their
history and you feel their struggle, a lot, sometimes more
than the main couple. And I would say that the drama
tries It's best to give each couple a happy ending and I
don't think that's much of a spoiler because it's a love
drama. And that's like the blueprint
for Love kdramas, Like The Thesis of the show is sad.
Love, hmm. And it love faded.
Love sad. Love and that sucks because they
give you this thesis early on like which would you choose like
a lifetime of sadness or a lifetime of Love 1000 Years,
whatever? Really, he gives us an ultimatum
to do and talk and she says, what about sad love?
And at the end of the day, like that is what you have to have
going into the show. If you're watching it for the
first time, just expect, sad love.
Yeah, that's, that's a whole thing in the show.
So if you're ready to cry, if you're ready to, you know,
experience this then hit play on Goblin, it's, it's something.
Now let's talk about a couple of fun facts because I said before,
it was like a global drama, and it truly was the final episode
had like an 18-point 68 percent Nationwide audience in Korea.
That's a fifth, highest rated drama in cable television,
history in Korea and, like the first, if you're wondering what
are the first four? I'll tell you number.
One is world of the married to sky castle 3, crash landing on
you, for reply 1988 and then Hablen.
So it's in really great company and of course, that won the
grand prize for writer. Kim Eun Sook and best actor for
Kong you at the baeksang Arts Awards, the 53rd baeksang Arts
Awards, which is a huge deal. It's basically the Oscars for
entertainment in Korea. And that just goes to show that
this show not only resonated with audiences, but a resonated
with critics and people in the industry, as well.
So that's really kind of a nice thing to think about, in the
back of your head. And then, I mentioned them
filming in Quebec, Canada. Now, all of these locations and
Goblin our tourist attractions like not only in Canada but in
Korea and I will say that the red door that they enter and
exit out of in Canada is basically an emergency exit.
Oh no, really at a theater and I'm gonna butcher this name
because I don't speak French. Theater Petit Champlain, I don't
know. Well, you did great.
Did I? Yeah, so that's an emergency
exit at that theater. If you ever want to go to Quebec
and take a little Gander at these filming locations.
So, yeah, I think that's a pretty unique aspect of the
show's. I'm filming overseas and that
felt, I would say that the show feels big budget.
Mmm. For sure.
And nowadays, we get big budget in a couple of Dramas that are
originating in Korea, but mostly, I feel like we get
budget and Netflix, traumas, nowadays, and back.
Back then to see this type of money and production being put
behind a kdrama was really groundbreaking to me.
So I will leave you guys with that thought.
What would you rate this drama out of five Soldier bottles?
Okay? In terms of how many sludge
bottles I needed to get through this trouble like more than five
but but to formally Freight it I wouldn't put it like five out of
five because I do think like we mentioned, there's a couple
things that are frustrating things that are a little weird.
I don't think I'd sink a lower than for.
So, maybe Middle Ground like around, like a 4.4.
Okay, like right there. Yeah, that's nice.
What about you? I would give it a 4.
Okay, we're out of high school just bottles and I think that's
what I rated on my blog review as well which was done a few
years ago. But without further Ado, I think
we're going to jump into spoilers and talk about those
drama in even more depth. So we'll meet you on the other
side of spoilers right after this, This, you want to come in?
All right, we're on the other side of spoilers.
So if you don't care to be spoiled by a goblin and you
haven't seen Goblin before. Listen on.
Okay, where would you like to start?
I think that some of the best scenes happened kind of early on
to me in the show. Mmm okay.
Yeah because you have the The needle drop of like beautiful
life earlier. Where she first she first
summons him like on her birthday.
She blows out the candle and then the cement board walked is
like gorgeous shot with a waves crashing behind them.
He gives her the buckwheat flowers.
What do these mean lover? Like it's just and then the
frickin OST. Yeah God.
That's is unparalleled still one of my favorite scenes in kdrama.
It's just beautiful. And of course like the Beautiful
Life, obviously with the umbrella scene, where they're
like, passing in the rain. Hmm.
And he like looks at her and she like, doesn't look at him and
it's it's you can tell like, this is gonna be like a show
because this is episode 1. Both of those scenes happen for
sure. How I think, what's hilarious to
me about those scenes is like it, since we're getting into
spoilers, a goblet has like a sword sticking out of his
freaking chest and it's a big-ass.
So, Yes. Like it just cracks me up
because chemical ones character Intex, all right?
Like she's literally just seen this guy's like damn, he's a
fucking sword in his chest, you know.
And like he's like handing her flowers.
Just walking down the street like all this.
But like in her head she's probably like Dan's is guys like
struggling right now, you know? But like it's just funny to
think that she could see it this whole time.
And like we have these beautiful scenes with them, it's all
romantic. And she's just like that's a
sore that was kind of weird because that was a sticking
point in the first two episodes that she can only be in the
Goblins brighter. She sees like my this blade
sticking out of my chest and yeah he she finally says oh yeah
I see it what's this and points out at this another famous scene
but he asked her like why didn't you say nothing that you didn't
see it this whole time and she was like well I thought it was
rude after like seeing you. I was like I don't know.
I don't want to bring it up. It seemed like a big deal.
Like there must have been a his job there.
So I didn't want it like, talk about it and then like I missed
my chance. So I thought it'd be rude to
like bring it up now. So I thought that was kind of
funny and again, it plays into her character kind of being
mature and very young and innocent at the same time.
Where's maybe someone a little more mature understands.
Maybe that a blade sticking out of someone's chest is very
painful and there's some sort of like drama behind that.
Maybe we can't get into it now. But then she also like, doesn't
tell the truth right away when it It's evident that he's the
Goblin and like she has all of these like whisperings that she
is a goblins bride. And so she understands that
they're faded that they should be together that he's like,
probably not going to do any harm to her.
He's not a ghost and still she doesn't say anything for a few
episodes. Haha.
Yeah. And it's just cute because she's
like oh well like I don't want you to kick me out of your
place, you know? If I pulled it out and you don't
like, you don't need me anymore. I don't like, oh, you're such a
baby, I like it. Yeah, like, let's just totally
understandable, because like, obviously she comes from, like
the saddest of paths, right? Like it's like her mom passed
away. That's seen kills me every
single time. So I really jumping around.
No, no, it's fine. We'll talk about her home life
because she, yeah, he said they crafted the most pitiful
character I've ever seen here. My God, the worst home life I've
ever seen. Her mother dies early in the
show. She's only 9 years old when the
mom dies. I think that's episode 12.
Yeah, for sure they pass. Get it all in episode 1, my God,
she's like, oh my God. That's seen is brutal.
Because her mom dies, she comes home, and she thinks it's her
mother. It's not, it's her mother's
soul, and she realizes that her mother has died.
And it's on her birthday. She lights the candles on her
cake before realizing like, she's looking at her mother's
like, so, it is brutal, brutal. I mean, for one of the most
emotional scenes in the drama and it had like, they It at you
in episode 1 like that's rude, a shit.
So it is so real. It's so like I'm not emotionally
recovered from like most of episode one, like to this day
like they were just chucking things at you and like you know
the seemed like after she realizes the mom's dead and all
that and then she's like goes to the hospital.
Whatever bare hands, the very maturely, like one of the the
female god I guess comes and gives her biggest cabbage in the
freaking world. I think that image is just been
imprinted in my head just tiny tiny Me like nine year old girl
who found her mom died with the big red scarf.
Holding a giant cabbage and I'm just like, wow, my Goblin set
itself up like that. Yeah, first episode.
Oh my gosh, it's hard. It's hard to kind of wrap your
head around, how bad of a life that she's had, because they do,
they make her out to be the Cinderella character?
Yes, and Goblin is the prince that comes in, like saves her
from her terrible life. And she again is like an outcast
Fast. And I don't think we felt, we
necessarily feel that in the drama, that she's a social
Pariah. She sees ghosts, and she has no
friends. She has no family, the shittiest
family. You can think of she's living
with, and she is still so positive and nice to people.
Again, I don't know how that happened.
I don't know how that happened. I don't know how they craft such
a character but you kind of you believe, Kim gone that she is.
So, pure of heart still even after having such a crazy
upbringing and basically raising herself and a life of adversity
and being poor, she's like on the poverty line.
She said like, oh yeah, I'm on the poverty line.
So, again like financial difficulties to, it's like
crazy. Yeah, for sure.
So like I totally get why like, he fought.
She finds his rich man. Man who is like you're
technically supposed to be my bride and she's like, let me try
to stay at his place. Get out of my situation, he's
gonna grab me some freaking wishes like, let's go.
You know, let's get like my life matter.
So totally understand why she was a little bit hesitant to
like show her cards I guess. Maybe.
But at the same time it's like girl you gotta tell him.
You see the sword like to tell him that you're like, seeing
these things that you like know these things.
You gotta communicate with him a little bit here.
But yeah, I think it's really cute.
Cute. That the goblin basically got
her a job at this chicken shop where it's again like the fates,
right? And that's how she meets Sonny
and everyone kind of comes together in this moment.
I think it's really adorable that like he's kind of helping
her out and the beginning. But like like we said earlier
like because they have a big age Gap and their technicians would
be the bride's like at the very beginning.
There wasn't too much like romancey is really just him like
trying to take care of her. Is that kind of how you felt
too. Yeah, I think that they kind of
ramped up the romance during the first part of the show.
He's more of a guardian to her and a protector and he's
answering all of her wishes, right?
But she's like, I want a boyfriend, I want a job, but I
want to get out of my aunts house and he's like answers them
very slowly. And the boyfriend aspect is
basically the one that takes the longest because they have to let
the romance cook. Something else that I really
like about the show is that you get the sense that she is
missing. Saying so much love and
affection and family. And throughout the show, she
gains a family and it's like this really odd Supernatural
family because she has the reaper, she has Goblin, she has
Boca, who's got his own thing that we'll talk about later.
He's like possess at the time and she has all of these ghosts
as well that follow her around and look after her.
Yeah, I think it's really cute. That these ghost kind of follow
her around to like we see a little clips and little moments
of these like literally ghost friends, who kind of like helped
her with her bullies, help her with like, her family, cetera
cetera, and like, you know, and to help back like, you know,
congruence character basically goes and like, kind of, I guess
puts away. They're like, regrets and
whatnot and like, the current world, so that they can move
over to the afterlife. So, it's like a very positive
relationship that they have and like, You'll typically inch a
dramas like I feel like ghosts are never really that positive
like rugose, right? It's like it's just like cute to
see that Dynamic and like you talk about the family like it's
really great to see her kind of integrate and like we mentioned
earlier the Grim Reaper in Goblin have this great
relationship that you know, it's like it's just a cute like, I
guess chemistry. I wouldn't think a great
relationship because their relationship isn't like super
grateful. Like it's just like a fun like
friendship, you know, and then like she kind of comes in and
it's like everyone kind of comes together.
Other and she meets Sonny, who is just an amazing friend to
her, you know, it's like basically like she takes care of
her and like it's like her older sister in a way, but it is very,
very sweet to see that. And I think it's great to see
kind of the smaller stories associated.
With all these characters, do you?
Like we mentioned the ghost but also for the Grim Reaper, he has
like little Side Stories where he's taking people in and like,
kind of like showing them how to like move on to the next life
and kind of their stories. Like one that always gets me is
the blind guy and his dog song. From out the door, stop it right
now. Don't cry again.
Okay, that one? Yeah, because I saw somewhere on
the internet that the best thing about Goblin is that they say,
good boys, go to heaven. Like the dog is there in heaven
as well and like waiting for the owner like very touching, super
touch him. I was annoyed at first because I
forgot the the dog and the blind man going into the afternoon.
Afterlife. And I was like, why is he still
blind? Like, I don't get it as soon as
he dies. He should get regain sight of
you able to like, go into the Afterlife, seeing everything at
that point, for sure. As he does have does not have a
Corporal body anymore. So that was very annoying to me
but then they open the door and there's like site dog there.
And I was like oh my God, come together.
Yeah. But yeah.
Like just those little pieces. I feel like definitely just make
the show kind of Next level for me, just because I always like
it when they put little like Side Stories, if they can do it.
Well, sometimes it's overwhelming, but the goblin
handled it in a very great way where you don't get distracted
by the site. It's always, you just like kind
of understood. Like the Side Stories almost
make you understand the emotions of the main characters more.
Because for example, Grim Reaper is dealing with the stuff like
on a day-to-day basis, and he's just like seeing the death and
life and all that. And it just makes him kind of
change as a person, like, throughout the As well.
I think so. Yeah.
Just a really great addition to that.
Yeah, because at first he seems kind of militant when he's
giving the Oblivion tea and he's going about his day as if it's
like a chore and just a job. And at the end, it feels like
he's gained a lot of insight and it feels more personal to him
when he is sending people off and when he is giving them the
tea. So yeah, he definitely goes
through a whole Evolution throughout the show and it might
be like the second, all these Seems like floating around of
the value of a human life, and death and life, the cycle of
life circle of life, however, you want to call it.
That is a huge major theme in the show and they explore.
It is super naturally because you do have all of these
afterlife, sequences with the goblin and the T, and then
opening the door. And, oh, we got this asshole.
Just want to take the T at all this stuff.
So, he's gonna go to hell and all the stuff.
Yeah, I had a little trouble. Like reconciling the punishment
that they They gave to Goblin because he was, how do I put
this? It doesn't seem like he is the
only subject of a Korean king or any King for that matter who was
ever betrayed and killed unjustly.
So to me, there should be a ton of goblins at that point because
there's a tons of different subjects throughout history who
have been betrayed and killed unjustly and have some sort of
Vendetta or unresolved. Trauma that carries into their
next life or will resurrect them or whatever.
Yeah, that's true. I wonder if like to me.
Yeah. I wonder if there's like a, you
know, like the best case, you drink your Oblivion, team you go
and you kind of come back as a new person and the worst case
you don't get the tea. You go to hell.
Essentially it sounds like what's happening and you just
regret and kind of lived this terrible life and I guess
there's Middle Ground which is Goblin where He's like you don't
really get a tea come back to life, you kind of remember
everything, but you're rich, so it's all good and like it's kind
of a weird middle ground, but I think there was a scene where
dhokla as the God was like, oh, you know, I he was one of my
favorites because I liked his good looks so I guess it was
kind of like yeah he was a favorite child of a God.
So they're like, you know, you're you're kind of not the
best person because you killed a bunch of people but the same
time you did. Free country in your sub.
Just love you and you're my favorite.
So you know what like well, we'll help you out.
Make you a compliment. I don't know.
Not like there's like a clear checklist here.
It just seems like a lot of people like there's a lot of
vetting. The issue is that I think it
should be a little more cut and dry but it wasn't and Kingston
there the look Abby, he was like kind of on the fence deciding
whether or not his immortality was a was a blessing or a curse.
It's because he's blessing other people.
And is being basically a guardian angel for countless
people throughout their lives and throughout his life that pop
in and out. But then he's also in hideous
pain every so often for whatever reason because hopefully it is
still in his chest and he wants to end his life.
He feels that losing people throughout his life friends,
especially is a torture and so it's like a mixed blessing and
He doesn't know like who is doing this to him, like he
doesn't, he doesn't have a face to put to like whatever God or
entity is punishing him and making him live this life.
And so there's also all these questions like, is God
listening, what is God's plan? We don't know his will, we just
get like that? We just, you know, we're just
taking each day one day at a time and like the Grim Reaper's
don't even know what's going on. It's like bizarre, there's no
answers it's kind of How to explain it.
But like, you know, there's the butterfly which is kind of like
that was like, yeah, who's always listening kind of
watching and I guess like, because the goblin is a
favorite, the god possess like the one human that's kind of
within their household, just don't Guan.
So he's kind of like keeping an eye and like moving things
along. I think the worst part of the
curse is that you know, Goblin finds Goblin wife and Goblin
wife literally has to end his life.
Like that is handsome like for the worst part because it Like,
you know, you're like finally find someone that you want to
live for and I think god'll even scissor in the show like I
finally found someone. I'm like trying to live for who
gives me hope and gives me lie and the moment I find her I have
realized that she has to kill me by taking out my sword, right?
And then the additional layer of that is like if she does not do
that, then she dies because I guess the universe is works
against them and it's like if she doesn't do it, then she dies
so she has to die. Then you live and let Alexis
like. Wow, just sad faded, love right
here, like you said it is a sad faded, love their star-crossed
lovers and you get that. But again, it's like a weird
pendulum. Like a weird Paradox that's
happening here because if he lives you guys, you let she dies
whatever its vice versa and they cannot be together, right?
Like, that's the yeah, the whole conceit of the shows.
They really fundamentally can't be together.
Yeah, unlike we can, I guess we can move forward.
I mean since we're talking about spoilers but eventually she
Those pull out the sword and like he dies and honestly that
scene was probably the saddest moment and I think can glands
acting in that. Seen her cries like shook my
soul, man, those are so sad. Let's let's talk about this
because honestly, I was like waiting for this scene the whole
show and every time they were like dressed in the same kind of
clothes that they were in that scene because it's seared into
my memory, right? I was like, oh no, it's coming.
So I was like bracing myself the whole time.
I'm and of course, when it happens it happens late in the
show like episode 14. Yeah.
So yeah, in the show super late in the show but like, He-Man,
that whole episode is great because he, well, first of all,
he kisses her on the rooftop, which is a really good
passionate kiss, and he always liked doesn't unexpectedly.
He's always like boom. Like he just like turns around
and, like, plants one on her. Then you have this weird
convoluted plan for The ghost of that one dude. 900 years ago who
was like instigating shit was trying to kill the goblin by the
using possessing the good goblins bride and it was like
this whole thing that came together really fast and it was
really dumb. I thought.
Yeah. Then he pulls out the sword
using her like you know using her hands.
Yeah. And kills The Ghost and then
which is feels like an oxymoron because he's already dead like
how where was he sending him like, how is he feeling it
anyway? So He gets rid of that guy sends
him into the Afterlife finally and you had the goodbye scene.
Just just devastating to have a stick.
I said that he says like I will come as the rain.
I will come as the first snow. I will beg God so that I could
at least I can at least do that those lines like absolutely
slay, me, then he dies and like you said King co-owns guttural
wailing that she does completely breaks me in half for sure.
Every single time I've watched this show four times.
Now I have cried and that seen every single time Like I was
watching this for this podcast and I was like, you know, I've
know what's coming. I'm not gonna cry again.
I think I was like, here's so this is like I'm not okay, it's
just so sad because they teased it throughout the whole like
beginning half of the show, they're like, oh, she's gonna
take it out, you know, like, all right, so she can do it.
Oh no, but she can't, grab it all.
Like and you just keep thinking by this point, you're like, all
right, we're at up. So 14 is gonna be a happy
ending, right? So like that's gonna happen and
then he Being disappears and you're like holy look, he's
gone. He just burns up.
It's like yeah, oh my God, such a moment, really great moment in
kdrama. Like this is a, you know, I
don't know. It's like, yeah, it's like Leo
dying in Titanic. You're just like, oh, my God,
for sure. And it's just, you can never
unsee that scene and just hits you every time.
It is OST like the transition between Two songs, like
everything is just perfectly crafted in that moment to just
make you feel as much emotion as you possibly can.
And it works every time. So yeah, that's seen as rough
and then we get into like the he's so he does and they're
confused striking a deal job. Like this is where it all kind
of and I get really confused again because he gets stuck
between this life and the afterlife in a Purgatory where
God does not dwell. Yes.
Yes, he's just walking around in the snow, for ya, nine years,
nine years, time, Jump, dive your life and you're like, okay,
like where is this going? He ends up returning because of
this long-standing promised that he would whenever he was
summoned on the first know that he would appear in front of her.
So she finally does light a candle and blow it out on the
day of the first snow. And I The double whammy causes
him to like come back. But again you don't hear any
sort of like this is your reward.
I'll, you know, yeah, whatever like any sort of explanation for
why this obscure promise is what brings him back to life.
Yeah, there was like a scene where a dhokla and the female
Goddard Hawking. And I think the only explanation
that's given is like, oh, you know, you know, the door between
whatever mortal Realm Like I just kind of left it open little
bit like those it he was just like, yeah, I kind of liked it
didn't mind. It was like I guess like I guess
the agreement was strong enough that I don't know.
It's like the gods just playing games at this point, you know,
they're just glad this is playing around there messing
around. And I think I was watching the
show, trying to find Clues as to why he would return.
Maybe there's like breadcrumbs somewhere.
The only one that I found was early on, he's having a
conversation with Reaper in. At like tea house and all of a
sudden, no Fully Alive. Human walks through the door and
he's like, oh my God, where's the bathroom?
Because he really wanted to use needed to use the bathroom.
Yeah. And they were like well you
know, the will of a human can supersede like any kind of like
super natural laws that he should not be able to walk into
the after Afterlife tea house or whatever that is.
Yeah for sure like if they're desperate enough which I guess
and talk and you know that moment was like then if freakin
a freakin works, you know if I all the laws but it I like what?
Like there was too much that you just had to like except for for
it to be a happy ending for you. And I kind of felt like he was
an example. I'll give this is like a visual
but you know how you're watching like a fashion show or something
and you see this wonderful model like walking down, you're like
oh my God, they're doing so well.
They're killing it. And then all of a sudden, they
start like fumbling and they're like, oh my God.
And you're like, oh God, they're gonna, they're gonna fall.
So then they fall, but then they get back up and finish the show.
And you're like, well at least they got up and I finished it.
That is how the ending of goblin feels like you're like, okay God
it's so beautiful and then you have like this way weird ass
like oh my God, what's gonna have a whole Goblin dies?
Oh, he's back. Oh, whatever she does remember
him and then like all of a sudden, a happy ending, like
weird-ass, happy ending, and then you're like, I guess if
that was a fine show, like yeah, they made it.
But I feel like for your analogy, it's literally if she
gets up again, falls off the Runway and then gets up and
finish. Exactly.
Because we have to talk about how freaking.
So there's happiness, there's after Goblin comes back and talk
of ventually, remembers him francina or sorry in Canada.
It's all, it's all happy and whatever, whatever.
And then she gets into a car accident and dies in episode 16
and you're like, what like oh this is models fell off the
runway. Yet the model just fell off the
fucking Runway. Exactly.
He did. She like sacrifices herself.
So We knew was going to happen because like this is outside of
God's purview or like Vision or whatever.
Because like she just did again like more lore.
That's like happening in the final like sequence and she dies
right after they've got finally gotten married.
Yeah and you're like what she sacrificed herself?
Like a busload of kindergarteners?
Yeah. Like you're just really like at
this point like you're like why? Like this is a Trail Of Trust on
the part of like the show Runners and us the audience who
have been here all this time. Like trying to get a happy
ending out of it but again, sad, love got to remember sad love
God. I remember s goodbye scene.
Another emotional wreck that I put me in because she's like,
he's bawling his eyes out in the Teahouse.
Oh yeah. Yep.
Yep, she's trying. Not to cry.
She's like, I'll come find you, she refuses the tea.
It's like, oh my God. Like what the hell is?
On. Yeah so we get that just yeah.
Like you're emotionally broken at?
Yes because you're like cuz it's another shock.
Your like episode, 16 typical cage on World, episode 16,
everyone's happy, wrapping everything up.
Happy happy, happy, we're good, right?
She dies in like the last 30 minutes and you're just like
what, you know, and like you said to Teahouse scenes so
impactful, because this time he's the one that's crying
because like, if you remember in the first one, where he dies,
she's sobbing. Yeah, and he's kind of just like
Let it happen like this is what it's supposed to be.
And this one, she's kind of like, it's okay like I'll be
back and he is joking, you know, so it's just that crazy.
It's like they're both not going to be happy not like because I
first he was prepared to die. She net.
Of course was not yeah. Prepared for him to die and then
all of a sudden no one's prepared for her to die.
Like she. Yeah.
Doesn't didn't know she was going to wake up that day and
have perfect day and then die. And then he like finally gets
his bride. He's waited for her.
In this weird Purgatory in the snow, for all the time.
And then boom. She dies.
Yep. Yep.
Then we catch up another time.
Drum. 30 years into the future? Yeah, the year.
I figured out the years 2057 by now.
Wow. Okay, dang.
Alright, so now waited. He okay, so, 30 years now, Sonny
dies. Yes.
And we have another TC and we're now sounion Reaper go into the
Afterlife because Reapers off the hook.
He's fulfilled his Reaper contract and you can be reborn
or what have knew what have you at this point?
Very emotional scene and now, I don't know how long it's been
because now we get another time job.
Presumably, what is it? It could be three months, it
could be five hundred years, I do not know.
We do not know how long it's been between when Sonny dies and
between the final sequence of the show and you see, sunny and
Reaper, get their happy ending because in this life, they
become an actress. A police officer and they have
they're not be entering final be adorable adorable happy really
good us props to the rider because that was very cute.
I 100% loves their ND. Yes, Reaper has left Korea is in
Quebec again and she's there on a school trip, sees him at the
cemetery and like she remembers him because you never took the
T. So I guess that's our happy.
A ending. She's back to being an underage
like girl. And what life is what?
Life is she on? She had like this whole like
theory that humans had four lives according to like the
seasons, like you had one where you like sow seeds and another
one where you like, reap what you sow?
And I like all this stuff, like she had this whole thing figured
out. She asked the reaper before in
the goodbye scene. Like what life of I am I on?
He's like, well, you've had one life so she's like, okay, I have
three more but like, was he lying?
Did she already live a life? Where the one more?
Maybe. Yeah.
Like maybe she had a life, where she hadn't met with Goblin or
something. I could do those, right?
There's like a lot of unknowns, I think, for my sanity, I'm
going to assume that this is her second life, or she hasn't met
Goblin again on the fields of Quebec and they're gonna be
happy and they're gonna, you know, live and be happy again or
whatever. But like, yeah, I the ending
just, I was like, happy that they met each other, but I Is
like sad because I'm like, this is just gonna keep happening for
him because he doesn't really have an out now.
Like he's just going to be Goblin forever, right?
Because like the sword is out, his wife is here, she's they're
gonna be Speedy happy. You don't have to watch her, get
born, and then die and then wait, another whatever 400 years
and then wash your get born and die again and like yeah, this is
just what he's accepted for herself and her love is enough
guess. Yeah, there was another show
that did something similar where he The God, it was called The
Bride of habakkuk. Mmm.
Yeah, and a spoiler for that show, but basically she he
chooses to live out a little bit of his Immortal life on Earth
with his girl. And I'm like, that's a sad
ending to me because she will eventually age and die and he
will stay young and beautiful forever.
And then he goes back to living his life like as a water Godlike
in the heavens. So like they will be separated.
This is not a happy ending to me.
And in this case, too. To, this is a bittersweet ending
because of course, she finds him again and you're like, oh great,
like we could start all over, no hon.
Like she's a human and he's an immortal.
So they're going to be separated at some point.
Yeah, it's just and it's like, they don't explicitly say
anything. So you're just kind of are left
with the Happy scene of them, free meeting and so initially.
You're like, yeah, yeah. And then the screen turns black
and you're sitting there like but this is really happy.
Like yes, Myra Be happy a little bit.
This is like, you're like, I'm not because if you think about
it it's just like you said. It's like he's gonna watch her
grow old and die and have another tea scene later on
again. Yeah.
With a random Grim Reaper this
time because you know and he's it's a sad because he doesn't
even have the Grim Reaper as a friend at this point.
Anyways, right? Haley lonely.
Yes, you know, it's just what this I guess is family of people
who just kind of keeps being his servants but like that's really
it, you know, that's sad. Anyone that's also Very sad for
that family, like never mind that there's a titles and like
have are made of money at this point but their whole existence
is like to be his servants there.
Let's talk. I like what?
Yeah, just, I guess it's fake. I don't know.
It's this show. It's just like feel like it's
great. There's a lot of great scenes,
but kind of the go-to is always like its fate.
It's just fate is fate. Yeah, don't worry about it fate
Destiny. Yeah, exactly.
What. You know, honestly watching the
show. I was like yep.
He's upped its fate of this. I get the face going to hurt me
but I'm here, I'm ready, huh but yeah, what a crazy, crazy crazy
drama, just so many plot lines. So many like twists and turns.
There's just definitely like a lot of things that you're just
really not expecting and I think that's what kind of keeps you on
the toes on your toes because you're like first year in trance
by the beautiful scenes. You know like you mentioned all
the beautiful scenes, really happened towards the beginning
and that sets the tone you're like, wow, so pretty.
Oh, wow, I want to have a kalasha.
Serenading you on the phone and you're just like, this is great.
And then it just starts getting into twist after twist after
twist until the end where you're just like, what up, what is my
life? That was still a Twist.
Yeah, exactly. Another twist.
Yeah. So but yeah, just a crazy crazy
drama. But like like I said like you
and I both watched it so many times.
This is one of those that is one of those timeless, it is
timeless and I think that's like, The appeal is that this
couple is all the time and this is one of those roles that they
will be remembered remembered for forever.
Like, she will always be the Goblins bride, and he was will
always be goblins. Look at me.
Yeah, which is nice like to think about and you we were
talking about our second leads and how they had basically such
great chemistry and they were selling this like super tragic
history and love that they had and honestly it felt like they
didn't get enough like this couple.
All were so great that they ended up putting them together
again and touch your heart. Yes.
And they start again as lovers on you're like yes like this is
like another, you know, I want to see them again.
It's like so addictive to see two characters who just didn't
didn't get like the full force of their love like in the show.
So you get like another show that were you kind of like live
it all over again? Yeah.
First year, I think the second lead I I really like them
because it was really cute, you know, because Grim Reaper is
supposed to be this like awkward guy and then Sunny supposed to
be this cool girl, you know, she's like I'm sunny and like,
she's just so gorgeous, not hold on, wait funny.
Yeah, it's just amazing. And like, you know, there's just
so much like bad blood because of their history and their Fates
and he was the king. She was a queen.
He killed her because of the like all this just stuff, right?
Be from the past. That's just essentially keeps
them from being together and like, To be honest, I was kind
of like honestly you guys should just be together.
Anyways like even during the Grim Reaper Sunny phase of.
Yeah yeah girls like what's the worst?
I can freaking happen. Like sure, he's a grim reaper
but like, you know, just hang out like, it's okay.
I feel you. Seriously, feel you.
And in the end, I think Goblin said something like, oh, they
can't, they couldn't be together in this life because she
couldn't forgive him. And I'm like, I didn't get those
Bots at all. I like, she was ready.
He was ready. Yeah, she was ready to forgive.
She was ready to get with Goblin but I'm not Goblin.
Reaper but yeah, she sort of was like, okay, well I guess we
can't be together too much has happened.
And this is the only way I can punish you.
So we won't be together my girl. You're punishing yourself but
yeah. Like just live your life, you
know, like girl just it's okay. Like and it's just so sad
because, you know, obviously after Goblin died, everyone
forgot your memories. But for some reason, Sonny
didn't forget her memories and Reaper didn't forget his
memories and like they just never Did each other because
they kind of assume that each other had it was.
Yeah. Unnecessary stress.
I feel like, you know, like I get it.
It's the past. It sucks and like, you know,
there's a lot of things stopping you from doing what you need to
do, but like, you just be selfish like, it's okay, you
know, like, yeah, that was a little tough for me to swallow,
but it's like it making it more sad.
And when they did get together at the end, it just made it more
impactful. So I understand why they did it.
But I was like, I just I just want them to hold hands and be
happy, right? And there's something about the
show with If you know everyone who's died, taking the Oblivion,
T, where you kind of want that restart, you want that to start
over? You don't want your past to hold
you back or to make you feel inferior or the opposite and in
their case because they both remembered through whatever
reason they couldn't like, get past it.
Yeah. And so it was nice that you kind
of had this concept of Oblivion or forgetting being a mercy.
See two people so that they can you know, be reincarnated or
just live their life differently than how they did things before.
So for them, they couldn't live past it.
I think they could have personally, like you said, think
it it just kind together in this one.
And yeah, we never find out like what the hell happened to her
when she left Korea of Doubt? Yeah.
She just kind of did her own thing and then came back as a
grandma when she died. Like this is a nitpick because
the year is 2040. Seven or whatever.
I said it was and she dies. She's dressed as a hummingbird.
Like, why is she dressed like that?
It's the, your 2047. Look how stylish she was when
she was young. Like, all of a sudden she's
wearing, like a chunky. A scardy and like yeah, a long
skirt. Like what?
This is a 1968. Yeah, what happened, what does
he know? She's wealthy like she's like,
slumming it out somewhere, like, you know, all right, like,
where's the sunny? We knew where is Sunny.
Who are you? What have you done with Sonny?
Exactly. But yeah, a little little sad to
see her like that. I agree.
Mmm. The last two things I want to
touch about touch on our, the lady in red, and aqua because
they go hand in hand. The lady in red was also the old
woman street vendor and she has some other God I guess I guess
confirmed so the lady in red shows up in episode 8 as she
says why why does Goblin at that point say that that lady in red
blessed him as a child. Was she his mother?
Or was she like what is that blessing thing that you he was
talking about? And then that's when she reveals
like oh you should get that sword pulled out quick because
otherwise homegirls gonna die. Yeah, I think like she's
supposed to be like one of the Gods and I think all of the
people on Earth are her children in a way.
I think that's how I interpreted it.
Like she is just under like a human creating God or Whatever
and like the koalas God is maybe not as much like as he doesn't
really called too many people his children like right.
It seems like there was an interaction between The Woman in
Red and they'll claw where she was like you created you should
have created a world with no sin or whatever.
So it seems like she is the cumin God, and he might be like
The World. God is kind of how I wow.
Okay, sense of things. I don't know, think about Leroy.
Yeah. But then an episode 11, she goes
to congratulate and Didn't talk on her graduation dressed head
to toe in red? Yeah love then like honks her
tells her her mom would be so proud.
And then she says, direct quote, when you came to exist, I was so
happy. Yeah.
So like what favorite babies, you know, I guess.
I don't know and then she gives her a bouquet of cotton.
What the hell did the cotton mean?
Okay, I actually love that bouquet though.
I was it was beautiful. It was Ball like fruit.
So that was like another thing like, I don't know, maybe we're
missing some sort of like what the meaning of cotton is, it
could be. Oh man.
But then Reaper. No, not Reaper.
They'll claw, mmm was possessed for I don't know how long in the
show by another God the butterfly presumably.
Yes yes and I don't know, he was like buddy-buddy with the lady
in red, but then like gave the body up at some point and like
he gave them a riddle. Like before he like exited the
crossbody, he gave them a riddle.
Yeah. And I don't feel like anyone
solved it. I don't know, but I can't even.
Yeah, this is what's really frustrating to me is that you
loved the romance but then the whole circumstances around a are
weird. And yeah, they're being
punished, but like, for what. And then they, yeah, yeah.
I feel like like what you said, it's not like super clear, like,
there's not a checklist or any of this, you kind of just have
to go with the flow for a lot of the stuff.
Like the whole do qua being a God thing.
Like I think I was out weird. I don't think they should have
gotten all to be honest. Yeah.
Like re-watching it, I think it was really just a plot mover
like, they needed somebody to kind of Drive things because
otherwise logically it wouldn't have made sense, right?
Like for example, what in tacos into the ski resort basically
duck was like oh yeah I found her.
She's here but like only because he was God so he heard it out
kind of thing. And so I think they needed him
to be more of a I guess fancy be.
Because without it like things couldn't have moved as quickly
because people were too caught up in their own emotions.
That's kind of how I've just Justified it and I think, you
know, he was possessing do khwab to be close to that group
because in essence, he did like Goblin.
I think it was just kind of like he likes this Dynamic.
He likes this little group so he's like let me insert myself
in here, you know. And he being good I guess the
world God and the scenario so a lot of assumptions I'm saying
like I feel like I'm talking very confidently.
So he wasn't. Yeah, that probably makes sense.
It like honestly, this is just me pulling stuff out right now
but this is how I've logically tried to just justify.
A lot of the things. That's okay.
I'll, I appreciate it because I just have questions and like,
you're like, okay, I'll answer it to the best of my ability.
I try. Shout out to them going to the
movies and going you freaking out when they watch train to
Busan. Mmm, love, love that Easter egg
there again, don't hate on Oppa being this her first love or
something like that was great. So Random, I'm just so crazy.
Seeing him there. I was like, whoa, Johnny, I hope
you're like, oh my God. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, so true.
That man is Immortal then he was a goblin.
It's junk. We're calling it now.
Yeah, for sure. The BTS and EXO men.
In an episode 9, because the old chairman is like, what should I
get her as a gift. And there's like a list of
things that girls her age. Love BTS and Exxon.
I was like, yup. Oh my God, I mean, they are
wrong. So they're not wrong to this
day. Yeah, to this thing, this
fucking day and then I don't know why but this came out of
left field and episode 10 were one of the ghosts was her
mother's High School BFF like watched over her and like the
Ernst money and that was very emotional as well.
Yeah, that was very unexpected because you know, the other
ghosts don't really have like ties with like the characters,
you know, the kind of Side characters, whatever whatever.
And the fact that that was like her mom's best friend was just
so wild that the same time like it kind of made sense and it
made me feel better because like the whole insurance money was
always a kind of up in the air and on and the whole family is
trying to like steal from her and the fact that this goes kind
of was watching over, her did make me feel good.
I was like, well coaster coaster friends because her friends, not
enemies. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it was good. Yeah, I again that wrecked me.
But the other thing that wrecked me and this might be.
My last point is the black tongue that they put on the
ghost for the old. Remember that?
Like, was he like I forget his name but forget suit.
He was like an advisor to the king.
Yeah, and I think Cooney's character.
I choked him. Sore Goblin a choke.
Them to death. Yeah, come back which is why
it's hung was black, but it was so slimy looking.
He kept like, not like sticking it out and style like licking
his bottom lip. And you're just like, I feel I
feel wrong right now for even watching this like it's so
gross. Agreed agreed.
Yeah, I try to keep that whole face out of my memory because
that makeup was really intense. It was bad.
But yeah. Anyway, I think I have, I've
come to the end of my notes. Is there.
Thing else you love to say about Goblin?
Yeah, I think my last thing is like my I think on our podcast,
one of the things we always talk about for kdramas is like, it's
everyone's story line wrapped up and I think Goblin is one of I
don't want to see the few, but one of the kdramas that I've
seen personally them like, every single person storyline has
wrapped up, no matter how minor of a character, how, whatever,
like, even some talks terrible family, like the ons and like
the two kids like the on, basically comes back as A ghost
and talk, kind of like helps her get into the Afterlife.
Like, even that piece, I was just like, wow, like they even
thought to bring that back. Like this, one of the things
that I think Goblin just does really, really well.
Is making sure everyone's like ending is touched on even if
it's sad, even if it's happy, whatever, like they close the
loop on every one, which is just so great.
One of the things I love about it.
Hmm. Even the one of the other.
Yeah, I agree with you and even one of the other grim reapers
who shook Sony's hand at some To see her own life and like what
she did wrong. Yeah, she had this whole
conversation again with Reaper who was like, don't worry about
it live, your life, blah, blah, blah, and give yourself.
That's what the gods I want. Is for us to forgive ourselves
because the whole reason they were grim, reapers was because
they committed suicide which is a whole another thing that we
really didn't get in so which is really heavy and like good, they
brought that up at the very end, you're like bullshit.
Like so yeah because the worst sin that you can commit is
taking your own life. Which is in this lure again.
Like that makes the most sense to me, right?
And of everything that they introduced.
But it was very heavy-handed. And again, like even small
characters, got their story wrapped up.
Yeah, super nice. Just great.
Yeah, great. Mmm.
Okay, we have come to the end of this wonderful show.
It's wonderful despite all the new pics that I had or and that
you had to the romance is good age Gap, not so much, but that's
okay. That's okay, it's still
rewatchable, which is great. Oh, for sure.
The most positive thing I can say about the show is that it's
rewatchable. Yeah, despite how heavy it is,
it's rewatchable which is very rare because like heavy shows
like I barely re-watch them because it's such an emotional
thing. But like we said, the funny
scenes. The romance is the chemistry
between all the characters that's just it, lets you redo
this multiple times, you know, for sure, Jenny.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
I can't believe you said, yes to coming on the show and I love
her so much. Oh, thank you.
Yes. And say hi to all of your
co-host for me. Hopefully we can get you guys
all on on the show or something. It's been so much fun.
Where can we find you online? Yeah, so we so I'll talk a
little bit of our podcast so we're called Pooja playlist.
We are on Spotify Apple podcast, basically on every single
platform that you'd listen to your report cast on.
If you want to check us out or basically a group of four
people's, it's me. And my three other co-host.
Brandon Terry and Andy. We just kind of talked about
ongoing kdramas give like recommendations We have like a
poacher playlist which is like our rankings for what?
We think the best K. Jamas are in a year.
And we kind of just, it's kind of a fun little podcast or not
super serious. I feel like we kind of want to
create this community sense of like, hey, you're just chatting
with your friends about kdramas, so yeah, come check us out on
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