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I'm Jessica and this is Teva K 
Rambles, where a couple of 

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friends review Korean dramas. 
And we're here for the final 

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spooky season episode of 2023. 
And we're here with a ghost 

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story. 
It's finally happening. 

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We're on brand for the final 
episode. 

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A my guest is dancing. 
My guest today is Lola from Lola

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pops off about K dramas. 
How are you, Lola? 

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Hello. 
I'm doing well and super excited

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to be on this episode talking 
about spooky things. 

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Yeah. 
So what happened was, I asked 

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you if you had seen Revenant, 
because I saw that you had 

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covered it on one of your 
episodes where it was like a 

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bunch of different shows. 
I don't know how you do this, 

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'cause you, you cover so many 
shows. 

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And I had seen, like, Revenant 
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she ever finish that show? 
So I asked you and you were 

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like, yeah, I actually did. 
And I was like, perfect. 

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Are you willing to come on to do
this episode sort of last 

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minute, last minute for me, 
'cause I usually plan things 

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out. 
Yeah. 

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No, I appreciate that. 
I appreciate that so much. 

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And so we're here. 
We're going to talk about this 

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ghost story on the pod. 
Let's do it. 

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All right. 
So Lola, Are you ready to talk 

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about this ghost story? 
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I am ready. 
All right, so give us the Drama 

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Bean synopsis. 
I went with the Drama Bean 

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synopsis because the MDL 
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synopsis did not make sense. 
It was incoherent. 

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Oh yes, Oh yes. 
The Asian wiki one was horrible.

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And I used that one when I in my
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up. 
I had to clean it up myself 

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because, like, it just didn't 
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Here's the synopsis. 
Here we go. 

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A literature professor whose 
mother was once killed by a 

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demon recognizes the same demon 
in a young woman. 

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As she slowly realizes that 
she's being possessed and 

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horrible things start to happen 
around her, they team up with a 

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police investigator to free the 
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If you just switch demonic to 
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Ghost. 
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That's the Yeah. 
I don't know why they're used. 

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Demons. 
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No ghosts. 
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Ghost, clear delineation in the 
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So yes, this aired just this 
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I think it was a little early 
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Early. 
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Way too early, yeah. 
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fall, not in the summer, but 
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Well, I wonder if it has to do 
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leave like in. 
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hottest time of the year. 
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things or like do scary things 
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heat. 
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somewhere and all my watching of
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Korean that television, I'd be 
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I think. 
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I think because I realized that 
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where it comes from. 
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I'm just saying that. 
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sure. 
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episodes long and it was 
directed by Yi Jung Lim, who has

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directed VIP from 2019 and 
nothing else. 

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Literally not a single other 
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That's incredible. 
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But the writer, the writer's 
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she's written things like all 
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which is a zombie K drama. 
Saguk K drama. 

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It's amazing. 
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She's written sign Phantom 3 
Days Signal one of the best K 

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dramas of all time GD Sign 
recently, which I heard mixed 

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things about. 
But this is a big name for for 

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the right? 
Name. 

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Yeah, huge signal was enough. 
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You didn't have to get to 
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And you're like, you're right, 
Signal. 

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Got it. 
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This small cast that we have is 
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right? 
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the main lead, and she's been in
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Handmaiden. 
I always love bringing up the 

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Handmaiden. 
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As you should. 
As you should want to. 

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Oh, my goodness, the glorious 
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Oh yes. 
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We we actually reviewed the 
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Me and Miguel, who's been on the
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We just laughed our way through 
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know, like if sometimes you talk
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you, you feel sort of 
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Yes, yes. 
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You're like, Oh my gosh, I'm 
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I'm blushing talking about this,
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I could talk about this without 
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That's exactly how that episode 
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the Handmaiden. 
So yeah, another reason to jump 

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on the Patreon feed. 
But anyway, she's done a bunch 

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of movies. 
Not that many like just a few. 

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And then not that many like TV 
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She did Mr. Sunshine, which was 
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Huge. 
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It's huge. 
Which we've covered on the 

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podcast. 
And 2521 from 2022? 

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Well, yes. 
We're both like, dancing. 

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Great. 
I don't be great 2521. 

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Yeah, what a great drama, bro. 
So both of those have episodes 

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on the feed. 
You could say that this is a 

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Quintiri podcast a little bit. 
I love that, yeah. 

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Now she stars opposite Au Chung.
Say, who plays Yom Heisang, who 

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is the folklore professor? 
Not I think the synopsis said he

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was a literature professor. 
He's a folklore professor. 

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Folklore. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Yeah, he's amazing. 
He's been in a ton of things, 55

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movies, 30 plus shows. 
You might have seen him in the 

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call on Netflix, which is a 
movie also very on brand for 

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spooky season. 
I if you like Signal, you will 

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like the call, I guess because 
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version. 
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have serial killers. 
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And then his his shows, like 
you've seen him in so many 

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things. 
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the shows that I have here in my
notes I have I Miss you, which 

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was traumatizing. 
Marry him if you dare. 

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One of the most terrible K 
dramas I've ever seen. 

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Missing 9. 
I don't know if you've watched 

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this, this one from 2017. 
No, I didn't. 

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OK, so I skipped it. 
I remember watching it as it was

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airing. 
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a lost scenario. 
They were trapped on an island 

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after a plane crash and I was 
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really good. 
They had like a bunch of 

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intrigue and then just like the 
show lost, it just crashed and 

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burned like it was like. 
Bad. 

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It was like the actual plane. 
It was just a bad show. 

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And then. 
But he rebounded, right? 

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Like he's had really good 
projects in recent years. 

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When the Camellia blooms from 
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that show, we covered it on the 
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I've heard endless good things 
about that show. 

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It's OK to not be OK, which he 
was tremendous in that show. 

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Doesn't matter like how you 
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He was amazing in that show. 
And then Little women from last 

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year, Sweet Home is coming up, 
Sweet Home two and three. 

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He's in the second and third 
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Netflix, which we've covered 
season one of Sweet Home just a 

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few episodes back if you want to
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So how do you feel about these 
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And then Jung say and Kitty. 
I'm a huge key. 

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Kim, Teddy, Stan. 
I like to say I'm a Stan. 

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I write for her. 
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talked about this drama The 
Revenant, I said the only reason

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only one who could get me to 
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Kim Teddy. 
So I adore her. 

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She is enough to convince me to 
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And then Jung Say absolutely 
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And I thought it was interesting
that you brought up. 

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I miss you. 
When you said traumatizing, it 

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is the best way to describe 
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The best way to describe that 
drama was absolutely 

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traumatizing. 
But yes, I've loved him since 

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I've seen him and things. 
He's a scene stealer to me. 

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Like in some of the things he's 
been in, he can come out of the 

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the woodwork and you're like, Oh
my goodness, he's totally 

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stealing the show for me right 
now. 

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So I absolutely adore him as 
well, for sure. 

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Love it. 
I think this is a newcomer Hong 

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Kong plays Hong. 
Say this is the cop character. 

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I had never seen him before. 
This was my first time. 

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Well, not my first time because 
I've seen him in bit parts and 

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other shows, right? 
So Rain. 

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He was in Rain or Shine, AKA 
just Between Lovers. 

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I don't remember that man at 
all. 

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He's in Life on Mars, which 
Curtis from Infatuation podcast 

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shout out to him because he 
loves that show and recommends 

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that every time I talk to him 
about Cage dramas, he's like, 

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Have you seen Life on Mars yet? 
I have not. 

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Also, I have not either. 
OK, so we're both in the same 

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boat. 
We're both in the same boat. 

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So we also have Liv from 2018, 
which came up recently for me 

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because I was on the Infatuation
Pod K Drama draft episode and 

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someone recommended, oh chose it
for their, their pick, one of 

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their draft picks. 
And I was like, oh cool, never 

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heard of it. 
Got to put that on the list. 

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That's three years long. 
He was also Hong Kong was also 

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in DP, which we covered a couple
of episodes ago for a spooky 

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season. 
Lovers of the Red Sky and Week 

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Hero Class One, Had you seen 
this dude before? 

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So yes. 
Like you, I've seen him kind of 

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like, I don't remember him in 
live. 

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Like I remember that I watched 
that drama, but I don't remember

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him in that, right? 
I I watched him in DI, watched 

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DP, didn't remember him in DP. 
I started Lovers of the Red Sky 

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and then dropped it kind of 
remembered him in the In Lovers 

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of the Red Sky kind of, but not 
much. 

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And then Week here Class one was
one of my top K drums of last 

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year and he was one of the 
reasons I absolutely loved week 

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here. 
Class One highly recommend it if

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you can stomach bullying and 
violence, but he in there the 

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entire cast was amazing. 
And so I pinned him as someone 

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to keep an eye out for because 
like, obviously I wasn't paying 

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attention to him before. 
But that was another motivator 

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for me to watch. 
The Revenant was him because I 

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had told myself I want to keep 
an eye on him and check out any 

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new things that he would be in. 
And so when I saw him in here 

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with Kim Teddy, I was like, OK, 
I can see him and something 

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else. 
And he's not playing a high 

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school student. 
So it was really exciting to 

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jump in to see him in this. 
That's so great to hear. 

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I think we have a couple other 
veterans that I'll just shout 

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out real fast. 
We have Kim. 

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Hey, Sook, who plays Bianki. 
She is the grandmother of, I was

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gonna say Sancte, but that's not
his name here. 

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That's his character. 
And it's OK to not be OK? 

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No, She plays his song's mother.
Grandmother. 

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Yes. 
And then yeah, Grandma, it's 

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Grandma. 
Grandma, Grandmother and then 

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Paktuyung plays Kyung Moon, Who 
is Kim Teddy's mom in the show? 

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And then Kim Wun Hey the Great 
Kim Wun hey plays Montoon, Who 

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is the other cop in the show? 
So what did you think of this 

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show? 
I don't think I know how you 

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feel about rubbing it at all. 
I have no inkling. 

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You have no idea. 
OK. 

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So I did go ahead briefly 
mention that I. 

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Don't watch horror. 
That's not my Forte. 

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I don't like it. 
I'm not a big fan of it and I 

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haven't watched a horror K drama
in years, I'm going to be honest

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with you. 
So this was a really big feat 

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for me. 
I was very, very impressed with 

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myself that I even started the 
drama, let alone finish it. 

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And like I said, I had two 
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Kim, Teddy and Honky Young. 
Since I've. 

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He's a a developing crush, I 
must say, and I was terrified. 

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The opening alone of the drama 
was was too much for me, So I 

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had to like Fast forward it. 
Not because I was trying to 

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hurry to the episode, but 
because I was just too afraid to

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sit through the actual opening 
of this drama. 

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So that's how I felt. 
I was terrified. 

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The opening episodes, I was so 
scared. 

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But then there was a moment and 
the drama where. 

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It wasn't that scary anymore. 
And we'll talk. 

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We'll talk about why I felt like
it wasn't that scary after a 

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certain point. 
And I but I want to say I 

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actually liked it. 
By the end of it, I have to say 

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I actually liked it. 
And as someone who's not a big 

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horror fan, I think I may have 
been coming at it. 

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And being a little bit more 
gentle with it than maybe 

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someone else who's used to 
horror things and really enjoys 

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horror. 
So I think I'm, you know, I was 

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being really soft on it and be 
like, oh, I actually like this. 

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But there were some some glaring
kind of, like issues that I had 

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with it. 
And it had a lot to do with like

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that middle of the drama. 
So it was like the beginning I 

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really enjoy. 
Then there was something that 

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kind of went awry in the middle 
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And then right at the end I was 
like, OK, and then I summed it 

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up as me being. 
Like, oh, I think I liked it. 

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You know, I think that's how I 
came away with my feelings for 

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the revenues. 
Like, I think I liked it. 

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I was able to sit through it. 
It was a horror drama. 

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So I thought that was really, 
you know, enough for me to say I

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liked it, but I made it to the 
end. 

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Wow. 
I kind of feel the same way as 

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you. 
It's not that I I'm watching 

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horror all the time, but I think
that I'm more comfortable with 

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thrillers and I don't like, will
never watch possession stories. 

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I know that is my line that I 
don't cross. 

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I know. 
It's like I said that in my 

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episode. 
I talked about this in my 

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initial like, thoughts, wanted, 
I said. 

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Miss me with anything about 
demons and ghosts. 

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Possessing people like that is 
my Forte. 

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Like that's not my Forte. 
That's where I also I'm like, I 

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steer far away from that. 
And so again it was Kim Terry. 

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Like she's the only reason I 
watched this trauma. 

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She was the only reason, Yeah, I
agree with you that the 

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beginning and the end of the 
show are the best, the middle 

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episodes. 
It's not that they're saggy, 

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it's that they're it's almost 
like they try to do a little 

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like ghost story of the week. 
They had to solve a little 

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something, something so that 
they can get to the next stage 

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of their own, like ghosts that 
they're dealing with. 

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And I don't think it necessarily
worked for me because I just 

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ended up getting confused. 
I was like, how does this relate

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back to the original Ghost and 
how is this going to resolve 

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itself? 
Why are they feels like they're 

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wasting time or? 
I don't know, it just didn't. 

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There was something about it and
I still don't know what it is 

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that I was like checked out a 
little bit about it. 

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OK, cool, but the. 
Show. 

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Yeah, we're on the same page, 
but I think that the show does a

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really good job building a 
steady, stylish sense of dread 

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throughout that will keep you 
sort of on edge and coming back 

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even though you're not. 
This is not a typical horror 

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show, which I've watched. 
Horror shows, right? 

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I literally was watching. 
What's it called? 

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Oh my God, I forgot the name of 
the show. 

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But it's the one on Netflix. 
Haunted Haunting of Hill House. 

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You know that one? 
Oh, gosh, no, thank you. 

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OK, so because my sister is, I 
know of it. 

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Yes, I know of it. 
Evidently I'm living with a 

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horror fan because she's 
watching everything that the 

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director slash writer of 
Haunting of Hill House has put 

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out currently. 
And so I'm like re watching it 

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with her. 
And I was like, this is totally 

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different than how Revenant is, 
right? 

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How this one was put together in
in the West. 

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We rely so much on ambiance and 
jump scares, right? 

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This is not that show at all. 
Yes, it has that dark 

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cinematography, but you know, I 
can watch this during the day 

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like this is like and still be 
able to see the screen. 

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During the day, I watched it 
early in the morning so I didn't

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have any issues when I went to 
bed at night. 

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Oh no, I just mean, well that 
too, but I just mean that you 

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it's not so dark like when you 
watch it. 

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Cinematography wise it's not so 
dark that you have to watch it 

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at night. 
Otherwise you just the glare 

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from the sun is too much and 
you're not going to be able to 

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see anything on the screen. 
So that I appreciate that they 

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didn't. 
What's another example of them 

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doing that in the West? 
Oh, like any battle in Game of 

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Thrones that happened at night, 
I feel like, well, I guess I 

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have to watch this at night in a
pitch dark room, because 

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otherwise I'm not going to be 
able to see anything on the 

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screen. 
So things like that. 

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That's so true. 
Yeah, yeah, unless you see it, 

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then you're like, oh, I can't 
see anything. 

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I guess I need to create a 
condition to watch this show. 

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It's not like that for Revenant.
The cinematography is not that 

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rude, but it does present this 
sort of mystical world that is 

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very threatening at night. 
Like because of the the way it's

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set up, the lore and everything.
The night time is going to be 

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where shit goes down, basically.
But. 

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I I appreciated it. 
I appreciated it that it was 

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also shrouded in a lot of 
ambiguity. 

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I think I'd learned to 
appreciate it. 

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I don't think it was necessarily
my favorite thing. 

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That so much was like, oh, we 
thought it was this and said 

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it's that. 
And what's the significance of 

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this? 
Well, in this book that my dad 

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wrote, it's about this. 
And this means that. 

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And what do these numbers mean? 
Oh, like, you know what I'm 

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saying? 
Like, it was very like clues and

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mystery. 
And if you're not into that 

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that's, that's not your bag, 
then I'm sorry. 

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Like Revenant is not for you 
because it was very much a 

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mystery thriller. 
It was. 

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I completely agree. 
I think for me, a lot of the 

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horror did come in the early 
episodes and the end correct 

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middle part was really like you 
just said. 

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It was kind of like it was just 
like a thriller mystery. 

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When are we gonna find out the 
next clue? 

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I mean we literally in this 
drama are looking for items 

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objects like you know so it's 
it's scavenger not so I I 

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completely agree that there was 
a big chunk of the drama that 

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felt like it wasn't that scary 
it wasn't as horror founded or 

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based. 
And I think another thing that I

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liked about this drama which I 
don't know it, I think it may be

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something that's kind of like 
signature to the director. 

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I mean sorry the writer where 
she, I feel like she has this 

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this way of making sure that 
things are really grounded in 

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history. 
You know obviously Kingdom is a 

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say good but like she that's one
of her forte's. 

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So I feel like the one of the 
highlights of this drama is the 

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way that they kind of go back in
time a little bit and they pull 

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out these rituals and you know 
these ideas like exorcisms and 

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and and how that and how that 
ties to folklore and kind of 

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Korean folklore. 
And so I ended up really 

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enjoying that element. 
And I think again, to me that 

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was more, I mean that's 
throughout the whole drama cause

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like even like I said, the ghost
of the day, that was a part of 

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it. 
Like some of the ghosts were 

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these ghost types that you would
find in these lores in the lore.

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So I thought that was kind of 
interesting. 

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But again, did it go on too 
long? 

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Did we have too much of that? 
Yeah, I think we did. 

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And The thing is, the show is 
tight at 12 episodes, but maybe 

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it's tight 10. 
I agree. 

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I agree. 
I was. 

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I was thinking, I think when you
told me that we were going to 

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talk about this, we were like, 
you asked me to talk about this 

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drama. 
I, for some reason in my head 

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thought it ended at 8 episodes. 
Like I was like, oh, I just have

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to go over 8 episodes and it was
like, no, actually there's 12. 

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So I think I myself, my mind 
chalked out a lot of this drama 

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when I was going back over it. 
And again, I think they're a big

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chunk of it. 
It's half the drama. 

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So, right, right. 
Yeah, we're gonna have to talk 

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about some of these details. 
Maybe that I don't. 

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Part that you're gonna have to 
help me on it cuz I try and 

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block some of that stuff out. 
Like as soon as I watch it, I'm 

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like, that's too much to 
remember. 

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I am going to just chalk it up 
to the like I summarize in my 

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head and then that's all I 
remember. 

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Yeah, I I like I said I thought 
it was 8 episodes. 

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I completely deleted episodes 
from my mind. 

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So I think. 
What kept me going as well was 

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the performances from Kim, Teri 
and Ochung say. 

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I thought they were tremendous. 
I thought they were amazingly 

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talented in this show. 
And Kim Teddy playing dual parts

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basically with her and her other
version I guess you could say 

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really unique how she juxtaposed
them and how she created 2 

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wildly different characters and 
you just knew from her posture, 

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her body language, from which 
hand she was using that it's a 

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different person. 
It's not sign Young the the main

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lead at this juncture. 
And then all I can say is, well,

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an entire, like crises he goes 
through in the show. 

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And I appreciate. 
I appreciate him. 

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Like, I just think he's one of 
the best actors of his 

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generation. 
I love him. 

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Yeah, I completely agree. 
Yeah, I can see that. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
I actually thought it was unique

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for, well, not even unique. 
One of the other draws from me 

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for starting this drama was 
actually the poster for the 

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release. 
The poster they released for 

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this? 
Let's talk. 

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About it. 
It was Kim Terry and her kind of

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dual characters that she's kind 
of presenting in this drama and 

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like you said amazing 
performance. 

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But in the poster are still 
image alone. 

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You're able to see the way she's
able to clearly show the 

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difference like her as this 
young girl struggling to survive

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and, you know, her day-to-day 
life, and then this girl 

449
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,800
possessed in one still image. 
And so if you see that in just 

450
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,520
that poster, I was like, my 
goodness, I can only imagine how

451
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,640
her performance is gonna be in 
this drama. 

452
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,480
So I was super, super impressed 
by her performance. 

453
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,080
I completely agree with you. 
Hands down she and there were 

454
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,520
even points where like the the 
characters themselves they would

455
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,080
have problems or trouble 
distinguishing between who she 

456
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,200
was in the moment and I was 
like, I'm with you. 

457
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,640
I don't know who she is either 
and so again just just so stand 

458
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,120
out and I love that they even 
used her performance and how 

459
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,640
amazing it was for the 
characters themselves to call 

460
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,160
attention to it in a way. 
And so I thought that was really

461
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,880
unique and cool and like I said,
junk say amazing. 

462
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,280
And I weirdly, I associate him a
lot with comedic performances. 

463
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,560
So yeah, I don't know why I 
think those are the performance.

464
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,800
I remember most of his or that 
maybe I enjoyed the most, I 

465
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,760
don't know. 
But so seeing him in this role. 

466
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,200
I was so serious, so serious, so
and like and quieter than I'm 

467
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,480
used to. 
I felt he was. 

468
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,040
He was so much quieter than I'm 
used to and I and subtle. 

469
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,960
There was something very subtle 
about his performance and I was 

470
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,240
super impressed by it. 
I was like, Oh my goodness, Oh 

471
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,160
my goodness. 
I think I needed to see him like

472
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,280
this to kind of like remind me 
of the kind of actor that he 

473
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,360
actually is and his range. 
Not that I'd forgotten 

474
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,320
necessarily, but I just, it 
wasn't a nice refresher to be 

475
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,040
like, Oh yeah, this is what he 
does on screen. 

476
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,480
This is it, He has range. 
And so I really. 

477
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,360
Also, this might be just me, but
like, he was very attractive. 

478
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,160
He was so good. 
Yeah, I'm not used to calling a 

479
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,280
protector, to be honest. 
But yes, I completely agree with

480
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,680
you. 
And that's why I said something 

481
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,160
very like muted and and subtle 
about him. 

482
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,000
And it it kind of, it was very 
sexy. 

483
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,720
I have to say. 
I have to. 

484
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,920
Say, I know it was the black 
turtleneck. 

485
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,160
Yeah, I think I have a thing for
professors. 

486
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,800
So I think I also was a little 
bit. 

487
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240
So the professor, the folklore 
professor with the turtleneck 

488
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,840
and the little blazer jacket and
you know, it. 

489
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,400
Yeah, it was nice. 
He was, he was actually, you 

490
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,120
know, showing up today. 
I know. 

491
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,280
Like every time he took out the 
blazer and he was just there in 

492
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,920
his turtleneck, I was like, hold
on, hold on, the turtle. 

493
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000
We have the turtleneck of the 
blazer off. 

494
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,200
Yes, I agree. 
I'm not one to usually call him 

495
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,760
out for being sexy on screen, 
but I had to give it to. 

496
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,160
Had to give it to. 
I was simply for Autumn stay 

497
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,680
versus Hong Kong. 
I I think he's so adorable. 

498
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,480
Like I loved him and mind you 
the two performances that I've 

499
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,080
seen other things. 
But the two, yeah, the two 

500
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,720
performance that I really paid 
attention to him and and we 

501
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,520
class hero and this he's not 
playing adorable at all. 

502
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,720
So that's what's so funny to me.
I think he's adorable and yet he

503
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,560
does not come off on screen at 
all as adorable. 

504
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,960
And I don't know where I'm 
getting that from, but I just 

505
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,360
love his face on screen and I 
love his performances. 

506
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,760
I think I feel like he did 
amazing in this drama. 

507
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Yeah, he did so well. 
And I mean, I don't know if he 

508
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,880
beat his weak class hero 
performance, but I definitely 

509
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,520
think he's amazing. 
I think he's an amazing. 

510
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,800
I will say that had it been to 
other weaker actors in Kim 

511
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,360
Teddy's position in Orcheng 
Say's position, Hong Kong shine.

512
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,920
Yes, I completely agree, 
completely agree. 

513
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,400
You had Kim Tater, you were 
growing up against junk, say, 

514
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,080
yeah, I mean, you were gonna 
fall in the back. 

515
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,080
You were gonna fall to the back 
a little bit, but he did hold 

516
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,320
his own. 
He did. 

517
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,240
He really did. 
Going back to Kim, Teri and 

518
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Otung say, did I make up that 
they had chemistry? 

519
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,560
I OK, I I I didn't even really 
put like thoughts to this. 

520
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
But now that I like went back 
over it. 

521
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:05,760
Yes, yes, yes, I think I was. 
Like sensing something and I was

522
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,120
like, am I just? 
Not getting enough sleep lately 

523
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,520
or? 
Are they? 

524
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,360
There's something between them? 
I don't know what it was that. 

525
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Maybe it was because you know 
what I think it is? 

526
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,240
I think it's because I was 
viewing him in this very kind of

527
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,400
like sexy professor turtle deck 
role. 

528
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,760
So I think I always was trying 
to push him in this kind of 

529
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,560
romantic space or spear what it 
it wasn't supposed to be and so 

530
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,280
I completely. 
Agree. 

531
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,840
He was supposed to be like, 10 
years older than Yes, Yes, he 

532
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,400
was. 
Definitely. 

533
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,840
I mean, wasn't even everyone. 
He was. 

534
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,000
He was younger than her father, 
obviously. 

535
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,200
Yeah, exactly. 
But he was. 

536
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Like, he's in a manageable 
enough, Yeah, in a good age 

537
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,440
range, Yeah. 
Like technically in the age 

538
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,200
range. 
Maybe she was like maybe like 

539
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,680
mid 20s or late 20s. 
Mid 20s, yeah. 

540
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,000
And he would probably be mid 30s
pushing maybe. 

541
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Pushing 40, 40, Pushing 40, 
Yeah. 

542
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,080
Pushing. 
Man, I don't know. 

543
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,680
So I was like, I can't tell. 
I can't tell because at some 

544
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,120
point when she visited him and 
like at the school that one time

545
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,600
I was like, she's giving off, 
could be one of his students. 

546
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,560
So I was, I was taken aback. 
So I don't know. 

547
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120
I don't, I don't know. 
But then at the end, the final 

548
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,360
scene, I was like, I can see it 
though, I can see. 

549
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,240
It Uh, huh. 
Uh, huh. 

550
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:29,160
That's the thing. 
Sorry. 

551
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240
You want to come in? 
All right, we're on the other 

552
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,080
side of spoilers. 
So, Lola, where do you want to 

553
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,880
start first? 
I think you had some qualms with

554
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,120
the middle bit of the show, yes.
But maybe we should start from 

555
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,760
the beginning so that we can 
separate like what? 

556
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,440
It's OK. 
OK. 

557
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,400
So you. 
Get I feel like I think I just 

558
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,960
got confused because there were 
so many different parts of lore 

559
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,520
that we were exploring with the 
other ghost stories. 

560
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Like we found out about juvenile
ghosts and then we find out 

561
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,560
about Jung songs ghosts. 
We found out about the hungry 

562
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,840
ones. 
Hungry. 

563
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,400
Ghosts we find out about, which 
is also AKA the the begging 

564
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,080
ghost. 
We find out about the shamanic 

565
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,680
rituals which Oh my God, what 
are those ghosts? 

566
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,440
Wandering Ghosts. 
The wandering had to do with 

567
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,520
that one cause the lady, that 
old lady freaking brought the 

568
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,360
wrath of all these wandering 
ghosts to her entire village. 

569
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Yeah, the entire village. 
Traumatized. 

570
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Selfish I think. 
OK, so here's the thing. 

571
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,200
I like the themes behind the 
ghost stories, not the not 

572
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,240
necessarily them. 
Like going back and forth and 

573
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,040
figuring this out and oh, this 
rock over here was touched by 

574
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,040
whatever. 
And this tree over here 

575
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,240
represents this, all of these 
suicide ghosts and the children.

576
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,160
And I'm like, it was too much, I
think, for my little brain. 

577
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,800
To comprehend all of Korean 
folklore in the span of several 

578
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,880
episodes. 
So this crash course was maybe 

579
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,360
not for me, but I like that the 
ghosts and the people that they 

580
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,840
haunted and killed, a call came 
from like a very real place, 

581
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,120
right? 
It came from like that old lady,

582
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,560
for instance. 
Hers was out of the want. 

583
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440
The need to see her daughter, 
her dead daughter again, who 

584
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
committed suicide. 
So yeah, it was actually really 

585
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,800
sad. 
Yeah, I felt really bad for her.

586
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,120
I understood why she went her 
daughter back, Yeah. 

587
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Exactly. 
You feel terrible for her. 

588
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,280
And what was cool was you had 
that scene of what's his face 

589
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,560
going to see, going to check on 
all of the old people in the 

590
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,880
town and hissong sees the ghost 
there. 

591
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440
And he's like, you know, 
whatever, Elder, what does she 

592
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,680
mean? 
Like don't move. 

593
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,440
And she's like, I see her and 
then you're like, Oh my God. 

594
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,600
She could see the goods. 
And then you're like, Oh my God,

595
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,560
it's her daughter. 
And then what she's seeing is 

596
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,760
wildly different than what 
Hissang is seeing. 

597
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,920
She's seeing. 
A whole, you know, not spooky 

598
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,640
daughter smiling and sitting in 
front of her at the tenor table.

599
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:21,360
And I'm like that's very 
touching but but exactly. 

600
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,680
But but that daughter is dead 
and gone and she does not look 

601
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,600
like that. 
Really. 

602
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,440
She's not looking like she was 
in life. 

603
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,440
So things like that were very 
emotional. 

604
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120
But then seeing like how how she
summoned all of the ghosts and 

605
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,240
turned north to South or 
something using those waypoints.

606
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560
I was like, that's a lot like 
she was like cutting herself and

607
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,560
putting blood on the pole and 
like the blood, yes. 

608
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
I was like, oh. 
Oh oh she is messing with some 

609
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,680
dark sided stuff to do that and 
he had to come undo it. 

610
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Hey song had to come and undo 
all of that. 

611
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,680
So he had to cut himself and 
then do it the other way it. 

612
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,160
Was just like then she assaulted
him like she she hit him, bashed

613
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,720
him in the head, Yeah, head, 
yeah. 

614
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,480
I was like she is. 
Somebody get this lady out of 

615
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,320
here like she is not doing well.
Not doing well. 

616
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,719
So This is why I said earlier 
that it was very selfish of her.

617
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,920
Because not only is it out of 
grief that she's doing this, but

618
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,679
it's out of selfishness because 
she would rather damn the whole 

619
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:33,040
town and see her daughter like 
everyone she ever knew, Like she

620
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,280
grew up in that town. 
That the how like was there her 

621
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,360
whole life and thought, I don't 
care about my friends here, I 

622
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,320
care about the daughter that's 
already gone. 

623
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,360
More than the living people, the
people who are here with me. 

624
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,679
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

625
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,920
So she was very selfish. 
And that's the thing about a lot

626
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,520
of these ghost stories, the ones
where the ghosts were praying on

627
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,080
the living people, was that they
all had some kind of weakness, 

628
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640
some sort of real thing that 
they were dealing with in their 

629
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,840
lives. 
And the ghosts would manipulate 

630
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,760
it and weasel their way in and 
kill them over different things.

631
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,760
Yep. 
So, I don't know, Maybe it was 

632
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000
also the fact that it was too 
much suicide. 

633
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,520
That's what I was going to 
touch. 

634
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,120
That's OK. 
Really. 

635
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,800
What? 
I was OK. 

636
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,200
You take over. 
You take over. 

637
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,160
No. 
I was just going to say one of 

638
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,760
my big qualms with the middle of
the drama was that it was just 

639
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,320
repetition at the very 
beginning, The early opening 

640
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,360
episodes when we get kind of 
introduced to the ghost, the, 

641
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,400
you know, the wild haired ghost,
we see that the way that she 

642
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
possesses, she actually 
possesses people and then forces

643
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,560
them to kill themselves and 
that's how she gets her revenge 

644
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,360
or whatever. 
And I I was like, traumatized by

645
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,920
that. 
I was like, that is horrifying. 

646
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,560
And the thing of the people who 
get possessed by her are kind of

647
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,840
like, almost, you know, aware of
the fact that they're being 

648
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,920
possessed and in the process of 
killing themselves. 

649
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,160
So, so, so sad and scary. 
And so I was like, this is 

650
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,040
horrible. 
And this was in the beginning of

651
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,640
the drama And then after seeing 
that already one once, you know 

652
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,760
seeing that multiple other times
throughout this drama, I was 

653
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,320
like, OK, at some point we gotta
let we gotta move on. 

654
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,160
We gotta move on. 
I was, I was getting really 

655
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,520
tired of seeing this repetition 
of the the killings of the 

656
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,560
suicidal possession killings. 
I thought that heavy for way too

657
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,680
long. 
Very heavy for it to be go on 

658
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,400
that many different people like 
she kills so many people like 

659
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,240
that And I'm. 
Like many people, but but while 

660
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,080
also we're watching the other 
ghost story. 

661
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,560
So that's Yes, yes. 
I didn't like that was. 

662
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Almost suicides, double suicide 
like too much, too much, too 

663
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,720
much and it was on repeat. 
So by by a certain point I 

664
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,200
wasn't as fearful of it. 
I was not scared of it. 

665
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,360
I was just annoyed. 
At a certain point, I was like, 

666
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,320
okay, another, another ghost 
taking over somebody body and 

667
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,360
killing and killing them. 
OK, here's another one. 

668
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,880
Here's another one. 
And to me, that was the chunk of

669
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,320
the middle that I believe 
really, I don't like you say it 

670
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,360
wasn't draggy because all of 
those kind of, you know, ghosts 

671
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160
of the day, those things, you 
know, they move and you want to 

672
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,760
see the ending of that and the 
resolution of those, but 

673
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,680
connected to this greater story,
which is finding out who is the 

674
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,080
ghost that has actually 
possessed our main character. 

675
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,560
That's what I was really 
wanting. 

676
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,240
I think a little bit more of or 
more of the focus of throughout 

677
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,800
that middle of the drama, 'cause
I feel like the beginning. 

678
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,400
We started that search, that 
journey of like, who is this 

679
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,840
ghost that has attached herself 
to our our, our main character. 

680
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,400
And then we get the the reveal 
at the very, very end. 

681
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,080
So that was the the kind of 
combination of like, OK, that 

682
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
was the story that I really 
wanted to know, but I only got 

683
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880
that in the middle, I mean in 
the beginning really. 

684
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,400
And then at the end and the 
middle was a whole bunch of 

685
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,640
other things that kind of 
started to feel repetitive. 

686
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,680
So I yeah, I had a lot of 
trouble with that. 

687
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,880
I did. 
And then I think I got confused 

688
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,440
with who the ghost. 
I know who the ghost is. 

689
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Like who created the ghost? 
Was it the grandmother? 

690
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,040
AM I? 
Yeah. 

691
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,640
So yes, you're right. 
The grandmother created the 

692
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,040
ghost, but it was like her 
family created. 

693
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,880
It was her and her husband 
created the ghost because they 

694
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,920
were falling on hard times and 
so they needed, they wanted to 

695
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,760
keep the money, their wealth. 
So it was greed. 

696
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,560
It was greed and like you said, 
it was what they believed they 

697
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,840
needed so that they can continue
to keep their growing their 

698
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,320
wealth and that. 
Was so that was but then it 

699
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,200
would it would curse their 
family right? 

700
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,400
Like they knew going into it the
shaman was like this is going to

701
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,960
curse your family for 
generations. 

702
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Like you can't get out from 
underneath this curse. 

703
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,040
And they were like. 
Yeah, we're still going to do 

704
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,000
it. 
Oh well, we're still going to do

705
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,920
it. 
And we want money more than 

706
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,360
anything. 
But it was the grandmother, like

707
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,360
you said, who really was the the
driving force behind it. 

708
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Because even when like her, her 
husband was trying to pull out 

709
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,840
of it and he was like, I can't 
do this anymore than her son. 

710
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,320
I can't, I can't do this 
anymore. 

711
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,720
She did not care. 
She was like, I don't care. 

712
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120
You better keep this ghost in 
this family so help you. 

713
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,360
So yes, she was definitely the 
the real villain in this story, 

714
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,800
if you think. 
About it and it possessed the 

715
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,280
ghost possessed everyone but her
am I right? 

716
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Everybody but her. 
It possessed the I think it was 

717
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,440
following like the men of the in
the family like it was on. 

718
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,360
I think it was her husband 1st 
and then it was her son and I 

719
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,640
think it was supposed to 
eventually be her grandson and 

720
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,920
his mother. 
Hey song and so it was his 

721
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,800
mother who ends up dying. 
Remember when she tries to like 

722
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,320
steal the ghost and everything 
and and goes on the run with her

723
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,520
son? 
That was her trying to prevent 

724
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,160
that from happening. 
And so she did, though, because 

725
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,600
his song was spared. 
And then the grandmother held it

726
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,120
against him that he didn't get 
possessed and die for the fam. 

727
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Exactly. 
So just the grandmother was the 

728
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,120
evil, the most, the most selfish
of them all. 

729
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,240
There was no redeeming qualities
about her, even to the very end.

730
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,680
And I I mean, I almost, I was 
going to say I was like, OK, She

731
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,240
felt. 
I was like, oh wait, did she 

732
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,520
feel too like one note, you 
know, of a of a character. 

733
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,880
She knows her building self all 
the way through. 

734
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,520
But I did kind of like that at 
the very end there. 

735
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,400
She did have this moment where 
she kind of gives them the final

736
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,840
clue of like, how. 
She gives them the real gras. 

737
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Yes, Yes, exactly. 
She does. 

738
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,520
I was like fingers even though. 
Yeah, the finger, It's just the 

739
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,920
finger. 
It was the finger on our side. 

740
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,960
So all she needed to do the 
whole time was chop off her 

741
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,200
finger and give it to her 
grandson so that he could just 

742
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,520
light it on fire. 
Oh yeah, that was it was so 

743
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,680
simple. 
I guess. 

744
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,800
So simple. 
So that's what's funny too. 

745
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,240
But I think what was so like, to
me, the best part of this drama,

746
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,200
besides the performances, was 
the back story of the ghost of 

747
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,880
like how she actually became I. 
It was so listen to it, listen 

748
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,520
to it. 
So it was so quick. 

749
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,880
It happened. 
Like I said, they revealed it 

750
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,520
right at the very end. 
But it's after we get the twist,

751
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,960
the reveal that in the beginning
of the drama, then they start to

752
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,360
investigate who this ghost is 
that has attached itself to our 

753
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,400
sung young character. 
We are believing we're following

754
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,240
this little girl from back in 
the 1950s, I believe 1958, this 

755
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,840
little girl and his family, and 
we think she's the ghost. 

756
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,240
And we're like, OK, she has 
every right to be the ghost, 

757
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,800
'cause she gets rudely 
sacrificed and a ritual, A sham,

758
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,080
you know, shaman ritual. 
And so obviously she's this 

759
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,600
ghost who has, you know, this 
possessed sonyoung. 

760
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,640
However, at some point we get A 
twist where it's not actually 

761
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,120
this little girl the entire time
that we thought it was. 

762
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,960
It's actually her sister and her
sister and it's something like 

763
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,200
Second Borns and and her 
sisters. 

764
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,880
It was this whole thing about 
second borns born sacrificial 

765
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,480
and she ended up lying about 
being the the second born in a 

766
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,440
way by sending her sister to 
this ritual. 

767
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,520
And really she was supposed to 
be the one to go to this ritual 

768
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,040
and the whole reason they were 
doing this ritual was for money.

769
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,800
They were from a very poor 
fisherman kind of family 

770
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,400
background. 
And she was, you know, because 

771
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,000
she was poor And she was, I 
remember was she in school I 

772
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,680
believe and she had a crush on 
her teacher, her art teacher. 

773
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,400
She was really good at art, but 
she she felt like she didn't 

774
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,680
have and she didn't even have 
enough money to buy the art 

775
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,760
supply. 
So we just get this back story 

776
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,680
of this really sad poor girl who
ends up being doing something 

777
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,240
really selfish, which is because
she wanted money, she wanted her

778
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,080
family to have money. 
She sends her sister off to be 

779
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,800
sacrificed in this ritual and 
the minute she realizes that 

780
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,000
this is what she has done, she 
tries to pull out of it. 

781
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,160
She tries to return the money 
and and say hey, no. 

782
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,920
It's not even that she felt bad 
about her sister dying. 

783
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,720
It was like the whole family, 
family, everybody started dying.

784
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,480
Her mother committed suicide. 
Yeah, everybody started dying. 

785
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,680
I mean, it was so traumatic for 
her. 

786
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,840
So she's like, oh, I got to undo
this whole thing, take the money

787
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,440
back. 
But what ends up happening is 

788
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,360
she gets caught by the shaman 
and it turns into she gets her 

789
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,160
sister gets killed anyway, but 
so does she. 

790
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,600
And her seeing her sister die, 
her family die, All of this in 

791
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,240
the way that she dies, it turns 
her into this vengeful spirit 

792
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,560
which is what they needed in the
1st place. 

793
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,040
They the whole. 
It was like almost like a trick 

794
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,680
from the shaman perspective of 
like we don't really need your, 

795
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,120
you know, little kind of your 
little sister who's just like 

796
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,680
why did he die? 
You know, going into this, this,

797
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,040
this ritual getting sacrifice, 
we need someone to have this 

798
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,960
vengeful spirit about them. 
And she and all that she ended 

799
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,480
up doing, I was the one who 
actually turned into the 

800
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,000
vengeful spirit. 
And so watching that whole story

801
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,800
play out to me was so 
interesting. 

802
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,160
I mean, I was so intrigued by 
it. 

803
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,800
I was horrified by it. 
But I also really felt for her, 

804
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:33,160
because it wasn't that she was 
evil by nature, obviously, but 

805
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:38,240
it did show her as kind of 
immature and selfish and silly 

806
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,800
and dumb in a way that she 
thought very naive, not very 

807
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,960
naive. 
And so I just, I like that we 

808
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,400
got to see that character. 
But then we also get to see her 

809
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,000
when she is the ghost that's 
possessing son young. 

810
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,880
And we get to see this 
immaturity, this youthfulness, 

811
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,600
this kind of like girl who just 
wants to be liked by a guy. 

812
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,480
You know, when she has an 
interracial action with Hongsei 

813
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,040
and he notices that it's not a 
little girl. 

814
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,280
She she's, she's older than a 
little girl. 

815
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,720
You know, he's like this isn't a
little girl. 

816
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,560
She's giving, you know, teenager
vibes. 

817
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,520
And so I really loved all of 
that reveal. 

818
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,160
And to me that came too late in 
a way. 

819
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,840
I feel like I wanted to see a 
little bit more of her story 

820
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,200
fleshed out, and not necessarily
that they didn't show 

821
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200
everything, but taking its time 
to reveal that a little bit 

822
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,480
more. 
And that would have taken away 

823
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,480
from all of that repetitive 
killing of the ghost and the 

824
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,520
ghost of the day. 
I think that would have been 

825
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,520
nice if we would have pulled 
that in more to the middle of 

826
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,120
the drama instead of just 
holding me off to the very, very

827
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,520
end. 
Yeah, there was a big emphasis 

828
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,920
on finding out who the ghost was
and knowing her name. 

829
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,280
Oh yes, Which felt very familiar
to me because that's something 

830
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,400
that's part of like usual, like 
possession movies and stuff, 

831
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,640
especially with, I think it's in
Catholicism, which I'm not a 

832
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,240
Catholic, so I feel bad in 
trying to explain this. 

833
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:05,160
But they need the name of the, 
the demon to like, cast it out, 

834
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,720
to be able to cast it out. 
I mean, this is terrifying. 

835
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,920
Whatever. 
It is terrifying. 

836
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,520
It's terrifying. 
So I was like, oh, OK, yeah, I 

837
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,880
get this. 
They need to find out her name 

838
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,920
in order to, like, cast her out,
Get rid of her. 

839
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,200
I don't think that I necessarily
ever sympathized with the ghost.

840
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Oh, I think her name is Hyung 
Yi. 

841
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Hyung Yi? 
Yup. 

842
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
But. 
I thought she was really 

843
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,040
interesting. 
Yes, yes, I really. 

844
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,040
It's a weird thing. 
Yes. 

845
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,200
Where you're like, I want to 
know more about this ghost, like

846
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,360
let me sit down and have a 
conversation because she is 

847
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,800
giving. 
I completely agree. 

848
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,480
I think that was like, to me, a 
highlight of this drama was to 

849
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,920
be this ending, like this reveal
of the actual ghost and who she 

850
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,080
was. 
And even like this, I mean, 

851
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,960
there's a trickster element to 
the ghost. 

852
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,000
Obviously, a lot of the things 
that she does is very tricky and

853
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520
and she's doing things on 
purpose so that she can get her 

854
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,480
way. 
And I I love that. 

855
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,160
I still love that. 
Even like you said, there's 

856
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,680
nothing that you can say you 
really liked about her as far as

857
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,440
like, Oh yeah, I completely 
sympathize. 

858
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,040
I understand why she's killing 
so many people, you know, never 

859
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,040
to like, can I say that? 
But I did feel like she was 

860
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
interesting. 
I did want to know more about 

861
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,680
her, like even when she 
possessed Sun Young and she 

862
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,920
pretends to be her to her own 
mother, son, Young's mother. 

863
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,000
And it was her wanting that was 
cool. 

864
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,640
And it was her wanting a mother,
figuring, like wanting to be a 

865
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,440
daughter again, like at. 
The end of the day, Kelly, like,

866
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,040
wanted. 
Yeah, she was selfish. 

867
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,640
She was. 
But I don't think she was 

868
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,800
necessarily evil. 
Exactly. 

869
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Exactly she. 
She had no redeeming qualities, 

870
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,080
just like the grandmother. 
She was not very redeemable, 

871
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,440
but. 
She wasn't this heartless part. 

872
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,560
Like she wasn't heartless. 
You could tell that she wanted 

873
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,480
things. 
And really, like, her goal in 

874
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,760
possessing all of these people 
was to stick around and live a 

875
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,400
life. 
That was it. 

876
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,920
That was it. 
She died too. 

877
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,400
Love. 
Yeah, She's like I. 

878
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,880
Died too soon. 
Yeah. 

879
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,960
And she just thought, oh, if I, 
if I live such a terrible life, 

880
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,000
I'm going to get one that I want
to live for and I'm going to 

881
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,320
steal it from other people. 
And that's all she was doing. 

882
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,480
That's literally what she was 
doing the entire time. 

883
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,720
And I and I don't. 
It's like I said I there's 

884
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:33,840
something good about that. 
I wanted her to go by the end of

885
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,960
the drama. 
Trust me, I want. 

886
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,760
Her. 
You're like, oh, wait, she has 

887
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,040
to go get rid of her insecurity.
Yes, bring insecurity, please. 

888
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,640
But I I did feel something at 
some point. 

889
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,480
I think what really got me, I 
think that my one of the things 

890
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,680
that really stood out to me the 
most was when our detective, he 

891
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,360
recognizes her, you know, at the
carnival, like running around, 

892
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,360
she's like wanting to play and 
take, you know, win games. 

893
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,600
And it was just and like and she
was kind of flirting with him 

894
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,800
and you know, she's like she 
wanted to flirt with him and all

895
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,840
of that. 
And I was just, I was getting, I

896
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,880
was like, I I was like, oh, she 
just wants to be, you know, a a 

897
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,480
teenage. 
Girl, she's very extroverted. 

898
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,640
She's got nothing to lose. 
So every time she has 

899
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,200
interactions with other people, 
she's not. 

900
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,000
It's not that she's not reading.
The non verbal cues in the room,

901
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,440
it's that she's blowing past 
them and blowing past all of the

902
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,960
social stop signs and throwing 
wine on people and calling 

903
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,840
people out for their bullshit 
and aggressively flirting with 

904
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,280
you Like yes, you're like, oh 
this is a like it's an extrovert

905
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,800
maybe, but maybe a step beyond 
that, like it's just a wild 

906
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,840
person. 
Yes, she was a wild, I mean, 

907
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960
which makes sense. 
I mean, to think that she's been

908
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,280
living a living through these 
people and and living through 

909
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,120
these people, she's been 
terrorizing others and killing 

910
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,960
others, you know, it's like, 
right, You're you're dealing 

911
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,120
with a mad. 
Woman, they said that the reason

912
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,240
why she? 
Gained so much power over these 

913
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,360
people, as well as that she's 
giving them what they want. 

914
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,400
And so she's like killing off 
people they don't like and 

915
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,680
giving them money. 
Give them power, prestige, 

916
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,760
whatever they desire. 
She's helping them get it. 

917
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,160
But at the same time, when she's
just there at the carnival or 

918
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,120
you know, she's, she derives joy
from the most tainest things as 

919
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,280
well. 
So it's like, it's a heart. 

920
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,840
It's a weird contrast to see 
her, like you said, you know, 

921
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000
she's the one that's like 
possessing people and causing 

922
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,840
them to jump off of buildings, 
but then at the same time see 

923
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,440
her running and playing games at
a carnival and winning a teddy 

924
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,120
bear. 
You're like, so cute. 

925
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,640
The ghost just having a theme 
park day. 

926
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,400
Yeah, it was weird. 
Yeah, it was a weird thing. 

927
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,600
But I liked that. 
I had that feeling of like, 

928
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,960
what? 
This is a the evil ghost. 

929
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,640
Like, what are you, why am I 
like, you know, enjoying that 

930
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,720
she's getting a little bit of 
time to like live out her little

931
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,800
vicariously through this, you 
know, this person's body that 

932
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,520
she's possessing. 
Why am I OK with that? 

933
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,040
She's never been chosen, right. 
I think that was part of her 

934
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,520
back story was that she was 
always this second and I think 

935
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,760
that's why. 
And the one time that she's 

936
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,400
chosen is. 
To die. 

937
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,960
To die, to die. 
And I'm going to be honest, I 

938
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,040
I'm not going to say I relate it
to her. 

939
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,080
But I did feel some kind of way 
because as a as a middle child, 

940
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:32,120
as a second born child, it ran 
deep. 

941
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,640
It ran deep. 
I felt her. 

942
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,360
I was like, you know what, send 
your little sister off to. 

943
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,920
Go ahead. 
I'm just kidding. 

944
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,480
I would never do that to my 
little sister. 

945
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,720
But no, I do. 
I I felt there was this, like I 

946
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,240
said, this second rightness that
you felt from her. 

947
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,200
I mean, besides her entire 
family being just kind of like 

948
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,080
from this poor village being 
poverty stricken. 

949
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,440
But still she was, she was 
talented, she was an artist. 

950
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,320
She could draw, you know, she 
she had these other qualities 

951
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,160
like, OK, you know, if she could
just get the chance to have 

952
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,360
those things that others have, 
she could be a better person 

953
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,760
maybe, you know? 
Yeah, but you're right, the one 

954
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,560
time she gets chosen, it's to 
die. 

955
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,160
So why wouldn't she be a 
vengeful ghost sizing? 

956
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,040
I I mean, I I hate to say I get 
it, but, like, that's why she's 

957
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,360
out here. 
Like causing so much harm out of

958
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,560
spite and bitterness? 
Exactly. 

959
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,440
And then also, she gets what she
wants, right? 

960
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,280
She wants to live vicariously 
through these people and just 

961
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,760
take over. 
And get what you couldn't have. 

962
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,400
So I've. 
Now that you brought that up, I 

963
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,840
let's talk about this part 
because I think this was 

964
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,360
something that I highlighted 
when I talked about this drama 

965
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,840
that bothered me a little bit. 
This notion that, yes, if you 

966
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,160
allow this ghost to possess you 
or your family, you get the 

967
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,280
opportunity to get what you 
want, right? 

968
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,600
And the main one is that this 
family wants wealth. 

969
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,840
So they allow her to possess 
their family and curse their 

970
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,720
family so that they can always 
have wealth. 

971
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,000
My problem was that they 
revealed this. 

972
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,960
It's the same with our son young
character and her father. 

973
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,600
And why they allowed the ghost 
to possess them at some point 

974
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,240
because they have a disease 
that's causing them to go blind 

975
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:26,080
slowly. 
So for son Young's father, who 

976
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,240
is the first person who I mean 
out of before her is possessed 

977
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,360
by this ghost and killed by him.
There we find out throughout the

978
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,800
drama that he actually at some 
point allows her to possess him 

979
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,080
and to stay with him on purpose 
because he finds out that he's 

980
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,160
going blind and she promised 
him, hey, I'll let you, you know

981
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,320
not go blind if you keep me 
around. 

982
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680
So then and it's a hereditary 
disease. 

983
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,080
We find out because son Young 
also has this and discovers 

984
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,960
this. 
So when the ghost is possessing 

985
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,200
her, she finds this out that her
father was allowing the ghost to

986
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,080
jump went to her basically for 
the same reason. 

987
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,200
So she had the opportunity to 
continue to see and not go 

988
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,360
blind. 
And I did not like that at all. 

989
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,040
And I didn't like it really. 
I hated it because it to me it 

990
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:21,200
it cheapened how they it to me 
it compared the grandmother and 

991
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,040
her family being super evil and 
villainous and wanting money, 

992
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,760
money, money and wealth, wealth,
wealth to someone who's actually

993
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,520
really scared about going blind.
Like that's two separate things 

994
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,360
for me. 
Like the reason? 

995
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,080
Well, I think that's the 
evilness of it. 

996
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,160
And and I hated that. 
I was like, I don't like that 

997
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,800
they made our son, young 
character and her father turn 

998
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,040
into people that decide to keep 
this ghost in their life for the

999
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,600
little period that they do 
because they don't wanna go 

1000
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,320
blind like that. 
That temptation of not wanting 

1001
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,640
to go blind, and I just feel 
like that was not in the same 

1002
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,880
caliber of someone who's doing 
it because it. 

1003
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:01,480
Wasn't greed. 
It's a different. 

1004
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,680
It's not greed. 
It's not greed. 

1005
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,160
It's like, I'm really scared. 
I don't wanna go blind. 

1006
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,240
So you're telling me that? 
OK, you won't go blind if you 

1007
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,240
can stay here. 
Maybe. 

1008
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,800
Like, I can't be mad at her. 
Really. 

1009
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,280
I can't be mad at her father too
much. 

1010
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,520
But this evil grandmother who 
just wants to accumulate all the

1011
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,520
money in the world, that's not 
the same thing. 

1012
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,080
It's not the same thing. 
Like, I didn't like that they 

1013
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,000
compared those two in a way I I 
don't know. 

1014
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,480
I didn't like the blind element.
I think it's. 

1015
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,600
A part of the psychological 
obstacles that these characters 

1016
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,200
have to overcome, right? 
That it's a lot about. 

1017
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,240
Confronting your demons, inner 
demons. 

1018
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:43,200
And I don't mean demons 
literally because we got to 

1019
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,040
differentiate. 
But you know, confronting your 

1020
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:52,240
inner demons and the things that
make you afraid and coming to 

1021
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,040
terms with them. 
And I completely agree with 

1022
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,960
that. 
And I but I feel like they what 

1023
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,880
I think they wanted to what they
should have done and I think 

1024
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,880
they were supposed to do or what
they were doing. 

1025
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:09,440
But it wasn't as I think clear 
was like with the son young 

1026
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,240
character. 
When we first meet her, she's 

1027
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,760
struggling to make ends meet 
with her mom. 

1028
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,240
She's like going kind of through
the motions in her life and 

1029
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,160
there's something very pitiful 
about her character and that she

1030
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,920
just feels like down on down on 
her look and it's like what's 

1031
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,360
the point in a way? 
And I think they're throughout 

1032
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,400
the drama, we start to see her. 
I not the way, like not want to 

1033
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,280
not live anymore. 
But remember when she like, 

1034
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,360
switches places and she gets in 
the shadow and she's like 

1035
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,160
fighting to like come out of 
that like it. 

1036
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,960
To me that was supposed to 
highlight this this kind of what

1037
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,560
her she really was afraid of 
what she really was fighting. 

1038
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,840
It wasn't that she was like, oh,
I'll go blind. 

1039
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:55,560
I think it was about this need 
to not think that your life 

1040
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,920
isn't worth it like you are. 
Your life is still worth it. 

1041
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,200
Even if you're struggling to 
make ends meet and you're like 

1042
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,600
still figuring out what you're 
going to do in your life and 

1043
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,720
you're not the you know and when
you go back to your your 

1044
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:08,840
friends, you know the class 
reunion and everybody else is 

1045
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,880
wealthy and off and doing well 
and you're not, that doesn't 

1046
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,400
mean you're less of a person. 
So I felt like she had a lot of 

1047
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,560
other things that she was 
dealing with that the ghost 

1048
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,560
could have exploited and it not 
her going. 

1049
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,720
You see what I mean? 
I guess that's what it is. 

1050
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,280
I totally get it. 
And that you're right, that when

1051
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:31,480
she was in that Shadow Place or 
whatever that was other 

1052
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,400
dimension that the Ghost sent 
her to, while she had full 

1053
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,600
possession of her body for those
days and she was fighting 

1054
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:45,560
against herself, she kind of had
this realization that it wasn't 

1055
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,960
so much that she like. 
Hat was going blind. 

1056
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,440
It that wasn't even the case at 
all. 

1057
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,960
That she and those flashback 
scenes and stuff, she was saying

1058
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,040
that she had never lived for 
herself. 

1059
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,160
She had always been providing 
for other people on being on 

1060
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,200
other people's timetable, 
surviving like you said. 

1061
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,400
And in this fight that she's 
having with herself, which is 

1062
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,520
really the ghost who's fighting 
with her, but the ghost has her 

1063
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,640
face and whatever, so it's like 
she's fighting herself. 

1064
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,480
She realizes that she's been the
issue all along and that she 

1065
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,480
brought the darkness on herself,
like basically gave the ghost an

1066
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,360
opening to through which to 
torment her like with her own 

1067
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,680
insecurities and her own 
weaknesses. 

1068
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:39,200
And if she decides that those 
aren't weaknesses and that she 

1069
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,080
is going to live differently and
that she has a reason to live to

1070
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,480
change her life and you know, 
live for herself and all that 

1071
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,560
shit, that. 
That's enough to gain control 

1072
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,400
over the ghost. 
Exactly. 

1073
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,680
And we get that at the very end,
at the very end again. 

1074
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,200
So I mean, I I, I don't know. 
I didn't think they needed the 

1075
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,160
blind plot, basically, I don't 
think. 

1076
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,600
The blind plot. 
Well, if you get some 

1077
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,920
interesting scenes where she's 
trying to like, pass off that 

1078
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,160
she's not blind, Yeah, that. 
I mean. 

1079
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,000
So I guess it's more of a shock 
factor. 

1080
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,360
That they wanted. 
I didn't need it. 

1081
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,560
I didn't. 
And they they needed some 

1082
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,640
contrived reason. 
For her dad. 

1083
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:20,640
For her dad. 
Right. 

1084
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,040
You're right. 
You're right. 

1085
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,160
Ghost was what the Ghost was 
capable of and how it was 

1086
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,320
terrorizing people for him to 
allow this ghost into his life 

1087
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,440
and to his daughter's life. 
Because again, he touched on the

1088
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,360
fact that he passed this ghost 
out like it was a fair family 

1089
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,360
heirloom. 
He was like, here's to you, my 

1090
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,680
daughter, the possession of this
ghost. 

1091
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,840
Did they ever say that he did 
that by mistake or that was No, 

1092
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,880
I think it was on purpose. 
It was a part of big plan. 

1093
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,840
Because remember when they're in
the village and she sees her 

1094
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,680
daddy's ghost for like a very 
short period and he's 

1095
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,800
apologizing to her and I think. 
That was the revelation was that

1096
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,080
we had to find out why he was 
apologizing to her and then it 

1097
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,400
comes in through his back story 
of like how learning that it was

1098
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,600
hereditary and things like that.
I think it was his plan that in 

1099
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,880
case my daughter also 
experiences this, I want to pass

1100
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,920
this on to her because 
specifically his grant her, her 

1101
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,200
paternal grandmother when she 
handed her the, you know, the 

1102
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,680
little cursed object. 
She's like your father wanted 

1103
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,240
you to have this, like it was 
legit. 

1104
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,160
Like your father wanted you to 
have this. 

1105
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,880
And I don't think that was the 
ghost. 

1106
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,120
I think that was the grandmother
really passing on what the the 

1107
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,480
father wanted her to pass on. 
I don't know. 

1108
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,360
It could have been the deal. 
I thought it was like he passed 

1109
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,160
it on. 
So I I see what you're saying. 

1110
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,640
I think it was him too, hearing 
you talk about it. 

1111
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,800
What the hell is up with the 
mothers in this show? 

1112
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,280
Every single mom, there was a 
problem. 

1113
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,600
Yeah, OK. 
Her mom. 

1114
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,200
There was a problem. 
One of my biggest issues in the 

1115
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,480
beginning of this trauma was her
mom, because. 

1116
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,160
Yes, her father dies and she 
comes to comes to son Young and 

1117
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,600
says hey your father's dead we 
need to go to his funeral and 

1118
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,880
son Young's like my and. 
She's like, hold on, hold on. 

1119
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,160
I thought he was already dead. 
My already dead father is dead. 

1120
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,480
What do you mean? 
And then the entire time, she's 

1121
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,040
not, she's not explaining this. 
She's not saying why she's lied 

1122
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,080
to her daughter the entire time 
about her father being dead that

1123
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,240
she she could had a relationship
with her father and she's like 

1124
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,480
why wouldn't you let me know 
that you know none of that. 

1125
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,440
And then when her when Sonya 
walks out of the the funeral, 

1126
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,640
you know her where her her 
father's home with this cursed 

1127
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,600
object and her mother sees her 
holding it and she like slaps it

1128
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,160
out of her hand. 
Even then she doesn't explain 

1129
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,600
like she just like slaps over 
her head. 

1130
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:45,880
It's like don't touch anything 
in here. 

1131
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,520
Half the shit that happens to 
her daughter is her. 

1132
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Thank you for me because. 
She never explained she had. 

1133
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,520
She knew what was happening. 
The entire time her own mother 

1134
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,080
died because of this. 
Like, why wouldn't you tell your

1135
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,920
daughter her grandmother died 
because of this, like I. 

1136
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,440
Just thought I I just, I thought
that it was so weak of her to be

1137
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,680
this, like, shriveled up nervous
wreck of a person that she 

1138
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,840
couldn't. 
And she couldn't get get through

1139
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,320
her trauma enough to save her 
daughter's life. 

1140
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:24,800
It made no sense, you know what 
I'm saying? 

1141
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,600
It made no sense. 
Like. 

1142
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,480
Pull it the fuck together. 
She's going to like and not 

1143
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,360
forever. 
What the hell is that? 

1144
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,440
I know, I don't understand that.
Like you ran from your husband 

1145
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,360
because of this and made him 
like killed him off to you and 

1146
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,200
your daughter because of this. 
And then when it comes back into

1147
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,800
your life, you don't explain it 
to your daughter. 

1148
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,120
That logically doesn't make 
sense. 

1149
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,480
I mean, she's being tormented, 
tormented by this ghost, and 

1150
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,480
you're not letting her in on 
this at all. 

1151
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,840
She has to find everything out 
on her own, even when she, like,

1152
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,960
finds out that her mom lived in 
a town that she didn't even know

1153
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,760
she she lived in. 
The mom's like, are you are you 

1154
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,880
there right now? 
Leave, leave. 

1155
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,600
No explanation. 
Still, Still Just nothing. 

1156
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,800
Nothing. 
So I was really annoyed with her

1157
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,640
mom. 
I completely agree. 

1158
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:12,720
The mothers I. 
Hated. 

1159
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,680
I hated were interesting. 
The only time that she redeemed 

1160
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,000
herself was like at the end, 
when she immediately knew that 

1161
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,400
wasn't her daughter. 
Yes, she knew. 

1162
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,560
She was like, that's not like. 
I was like, OK, OK, now you now,

1163
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,680
you know. 
And even when she was like being

1164
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,920
a little bit brave to some 
extent, despite her kind of like

1165
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,280
she has like a anxiety disorder,
right? 

1166
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,600
Like again, something else she 
layered, they had on top of 

1167
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,720
these characters. 
So she had anxiety disorder and 

1168
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,360
she was like, you know, so 
everybody got multiple issues. 

1169
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,240
It's like, OK, not only are we 
like, poor and struggling, I 

1170
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,240
have an anxiety disorder. 
I I possess. 

1171
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,120
I can't go. 
I can't keep my job. 

1172
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,760
I possess my ghost like I 
cannot. 

1173
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,640
It was too much. 
It was just too much. 

1174
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,920
But yeah, I I I did. 
I did say, like, I like that in 

1175
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,960
the end there she finally had a 
little burst of, like, I'm going

1176
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,280
to fight this, you know, Like, 
I'm not going to just allow 

1177
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,240
myself to be taken down 
alongside my daughter because 

1178
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,800
obviously she was going to let 
her daughter be taken down if 

1179
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,720
she wasn't going to tell her 
what's going on. 

1180
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,760
So yeah, at the very end she had
a little bit, you know, off to 

1181
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,680
her step, but it took her a 
while. 

1182
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,600
And then Hissong's grandmother, 
who is a living terror, she is 

1183
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,720
an actual demon herself. 
So there's that. 

1184
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:31,440
Called it an actual and actual 
like ghostly bitch because she 

1185
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,520
allowed it all to happen. 
It sanctioned it. 

1186
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,200
I think she was actually pleased
when one of the victims died. 

1187
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,640
Was was sacrificed. 
Well, didn't they show her 

1188
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,240
valley, like, giggling? 
Yeah. 

1189
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,000
Like, yeah, absolutely. 
She was demonic. 

1190
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,400
Demented. 
The exact. 

1191
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,880
And actually, what's even worse?
Her son. 

1192
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,080
Hey, Song's father, I forget She
literally let him die. 

1193
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,280
Like like he was thirsty. 
Remember. 

1194
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,120
Like something where he like, 
was dehydrated. 

1195
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,760
He. 
Let him starve to death. 

1196
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,240
She let her own son starve to 
death because she wanted this 

1197
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,160
ghost to stay around. 
What she had the audacity to 

1198
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,360
even tell? 
Like remember when they tricked 

1199
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,360
her into revealing the name? 
And she even was like, so she 

1200
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,960
thinks she's talking to the 
ghost and she's like, I made a 

1201
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,520
promise to you so I'll never 
tell your name. 

1202
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,240
I'll never say I made a promise.
You made a promise to a ghost. 

1203
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
Got your own children, 
grandchildren, grandson. 

1204
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,560
A ghost. 
Like she was. 

1205
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,520
Like, I've never saw her so, 
like grandmotherly or motherly, 

1206
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,600
except for the moment. 
She's like begging this ghost. 

1207
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,400
Like I was. 
I was. 

1208
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,160
I was. 
Are you out of your mind? 

1209
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,400
Out of your mind. 
She was she like, are you? 

1210
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,680
Out of your mind. 
That's like when she was in the 

1211
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,680
in the hospital room and like 
locked up and like the ghost 

1212
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,920
comes to take care of her. 
I was like, go ahead, take care 

1213
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,400
of her. 
Go ahead, take. 

1214
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,240
Her like send her far away. 
I mean literally. 

1215
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,240
Did she like jump out the 
window? 

1216
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,720
She like. 
Like she. 

1217
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,080
Jumped out the window. 
Yep, Yep, Yep. 

1218
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,960
And then she uses the glass from
the window as she's laying on 

1219
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,000
the concrete to chop her own 
finger on. 

1220
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,680
Yep, that was the sign. 
That was the sign signal to help

1221
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,560
to find the finger. 
Because it wasn't her finger. 

1222
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,120
It was. 
Uh huh. 

1223
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Find the other. 
Yeah, the ghost. 

1224
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,520
It was Hanyang's finger. 
Because when they find her body 

1225
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,360
buried in the grandmother's 
home, remember she's missing a 

1226
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,000
finger. 
The the dead ghost's body is 

1227
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,440
missing a finger. 
And they're like, you got to 

1228
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,200
find that finger. 
That's it. 

1229
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,400
The finger. 
I don't know why that's funny to

1230
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,120
me, that figure, but I like no, 
because I did like the ending. 

1231
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,640
Yeah, it was good. 
It was good. 

1232
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,360
Her wailing as well. 
The screaming from the ghost, 

1233
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,680
like as she's being forced to 
set her own finger on fire. 

1234
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:46,760
Loved it. 
Loved it. 

1235
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:48,480
So good. 
But I love. 

1236
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:49,480
But I also. 
Love. 

1237
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,720
It's so satisfying, the whole 
thing of like this. 

1238
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,120
Her becoming, you know, 
defeating the Ghost while still 

1239
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,080
being not in. 
Yeah, still being possessed like

1240
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,680
she was still in the Shadow 
Place, but she was able, like I 

1241
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:03,760
don't. 
Even know what that was, I don't

1242
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,840
even know what that was. 
But she was able to reconcile 

1243
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,520
that. 
I have the control of over all 

1244
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,600
of this. 
I have the control to take this 

1245
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,560
ghost down, to not be possessed 
by this ghost anymore. 

1246
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,240
And I liked all of that. 
At the end I thought it was a 

1247
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,360
great final scene. 
So not final final scene, but I 

1248
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,640
final scene for the ghost. 
I actually like that. 

1249
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,880
So I think I like just the the 
whole thing with the ghost. 

1250
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,000
I like the the ending. 
I liked all of that. 

1251
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:35,040
Yep. 
My gosh, Speaking of haunting of

1252
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,800
Hill House, which I'm sure a lot
of people have watched that 

1253
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,760
show. 
It's on Netflix. 

1254
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,880
It's like very well known. 
But anyway, because I was re 

1255
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,680
watching it earlier today, I 
had, they said this this 

1256
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,600
sentence and I was like, oh, 
this is so great, they said, one

1257
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,320
of the characters said in the 
final episode. 

1258
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,440
Of haunting of Hill House. 
They said ghosts are guilt, 

1259
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,840
ghosts are secrets, ghosts are 
regrets and failings. 

1260
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,040
But most times a ghost is a 
wish, A wish. 

1261
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,360
There it is. 
There it is. 

1262
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,600
And I was like, oh, that's 
actually really relevant. 

1263
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:12,680
Yeah, to Revenant, Very. 
And I mean, it's exactly what 

1264
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:13,920
Revenant was discussing. 
Yeah. 

1265
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,760
The idea of like you holding on 
to that the hope A wish for 

1266
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,800
something and you not having 
that. 

1267
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,920
Are you allowing that not to or 
allowing that not having 

1268
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,359
something to to kind of keep 
you? 

1269
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,479
Well, yeah. 
That's sustaining. 

1270
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,760
Yeah that is I'd like, I mean I 
I like what they addressed in In

1271
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,080
the Revenant. 
I like what they were were 

1272
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,640
discussing. 
I like what they were really 

1273
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,279
taking a look at. 
I appreciated it. 

1274
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,160
I really did. 
I just feel like they they could

1275
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,880
have done that without the ghost
of the week. 

1276
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:52,000
I agree. 
Did you think that Hissong's 

1277
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:56,240
little friend was a ghost? 
I immediately thought that was a

1278
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:56,840
ghost. 
I. 

1279
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,800
Like the kid did I yeah, it was 
weird that he was hanging out 

1280
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,080
with the kid. 
I was like, why is he hanging 

1281
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,319
out with a high school student? 
I didn't understand that. 

1282
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:05,399
So then I was like, oh, he's not
real. 

1283
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,600
He's a ghost. 
He's seeing a ghost. 

1284
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,439
So I I didn't. 
I actually I ended up liking how

1285
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,000
they used his character in the 
in there. 

1286
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:21,399
I didn't realize he was so he 
was going to be not so not evil,

1287
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:25,200
but like he ended up being that 
like a problem child and why he 

1288
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,880
became this this ghost. 
But I thought it was unique that

1289
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,040
he stayed in his life and he 
kind of kept him by his side. 

1290
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,399
I thought he would have kind of 
wanted to do away with him, but 

1291
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:37,640
I think he felt guilt. 
Yeah, so that's why he kept him 

1292
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,920
around. 
So I I I like the ghost stories 

1293
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,240
and the visually, but like it 
has a whole like I I feel like 

1294
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,880
it's detracted. 
You're just blinded by a lot of 

1295
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,800
death and you don't want to 
necessarily become desensitized.

1296
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,120
And you you are by certain point
for sure you are. 

1297
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,640
People jumping out of the window
means nothing. 

1298
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,000
By the time you see you're like,
oh, there goes there's a. 

1299
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,960
Ghost and there he goes. 
And the same thing with Kimo and

1300
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,560
his character. 
I didn't think that they would 

1301
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,440
kill him off. 
That's a very big actor for 

1302
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:18,200
them. 
To Chris Brown, I will say this,

1303
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,840
I thought, I thought it was. 
I'm not gonna say I thought it 

1304
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:22,800
was good that they killed him 
off. 

1305
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,280
But I actually was like, OK, I 
appreciate it that they did it 

1306
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,520
because I felt like it. 
It lit a fire under our cop, 

1307
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,800
our, you know, his partner, 
because I feel like he was still

1308
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,040
so because. 
He was almost like a non yes to 

1309
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,400
the almost close to the end 
until that happened, you know he

1310
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,800
was fighting against it. 
So help him you know. 

1311
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,320
And I think that he needed a 
white a wake up call and that 

1312
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,640
was the only thing that he could
because he was there when he saw

1313
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,520
this happen. 
So I'm like that was the only 

1314
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,200
way you can believe something 
that's horrible is taking place 

1315
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,320
in your kind of day-to-day human
world. 

1316
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,600
You know he had to see it for 
himself. 

1317
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,840
So I I didn't you know like it 
was huge that that killed him 

1318
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,520
off. 
But I didn't mind it. 

1319
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,120
I actually I thought it they did
it. 

1320
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,480
It was a good choice. 
I. 

1321
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,520
Thought it was a good choice. 
Uh huh. 

1322
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,560
I just realized that, I said. 
They Chris browned him. 

1323
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,960
Do you? 
Do you know what I mean? 

1324
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,040
Wait, they Chris browned him. 
What? 

1325
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:19,240
Yeah, 'cause you said they 
killed him. 

1326
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:24,720
Earlier I invoked Chris Brown. 
And it's because of the movie 

1327
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,440
Stomp The Oh my I I barely 
remember I watched that movie 

1328
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:33,920
once the the the maybe in the 
theater when it dropped and then

1329
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,800
like never have seen or thought 
of that movie since. 

1330
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:43,400
Are you safe to stop that yours?
I actually stop the young. 

1331
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,400
Oh, I haven't thought about that
in years. 

1332
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,880
Because that movie, first of 
all, I really like that movie, 

1333
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,440
The second of all. 
And that on ironically, I like, 

1334
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,960
I like stomp the arts. 
So that movie is so famous. 

1335
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,000
I remember people going, Oh my 
God, Chris Brown's. 

1336
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,000
In the mind you, this was, I was
in middle school. 

1337
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,960
This was so many years ago 
before Chris Brown got 

1338
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,520
cancelled. 
And we're like, I can't wait to 

1339
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:10,960
go see Chris Brown in this 
movie. 

1340
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,360
Chris Brown Canfield is like the
1st 10 minutes of the movie. 

1341
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,680
Oh my goodness. 
I didn't know that. 

1342
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,240
I I mean, I I I didn't see the 
movie, but I didn't know people 

1343
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,800
were like so excited to see him 
in it and super disappointed. 

1344
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,320
I mean, I saw the movie. 
I was a huge Chris Brown fan 

1345
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,720
even when he first gave out. 
So. 

1346
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,640
Because he was in all the 
marketing and he was, people 

1347
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:38,240
were like, you're right, he was.
That's so funny. 

1348
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,800
A dancing movie. 
And Chris Brown's in it. 

1349
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,080
People were like, he gets killed
off in the beginning, he said. 

1350
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,120
They Chris Brown, they did not 
Chris Brown. 

1351
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,360
Him though, because he was in a 
big chunk of the drama. 

1352
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,960
Come on, come on. 
Right he. 

1353
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,760
Was he wasn't in he wasn't in 
the end game episodes he wasn't 

1354
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,760
he got killed. 
He didn't get to see the end of 

1355
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,920
this ghost which he had been 
chasing for a really long time. 

1356
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,200
So you're right. 
That's it's kind of sad that he 

1357
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,000
didn't get to see the end of 
this ghost. 

1358
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:14,360
No, no. 
And going back to Sanyong's dad 

1359
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,760
who was possessed, it looked 
like he was possessed when she 

1360
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,360
was a child. 
Still when yes, yes. 

1361
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,880
So Kim Teddy's character was 
still like A5, like 5 years old 

1362
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,480
and the dad's already possessed 
and it's because. 

1363
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,640
So you're saying he was 
possessed for like 20 years? 

1364
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,400
That's that's terrifying. 
But he is. 

1365
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,040
'Cause he only died recently. 
Yeah, right. 

1366
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,240
And The thing is, I think there 
was. 

1367
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,320
I guess that's why he hadn't 
gone blind, you know? 

1368
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,520
He was like, I'm gonna keep her.
I'm just gonna stop. 

1369
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,440
I'm not going blind. 
That's why he was still able to 

1370
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,360
see. 
But I Yeah, you're absolutely 

1371
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:52,600
right. 
Because wasn't there something 

1372
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,240
about this being the second 
born, like the he was a like, 

1373
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,880
was he afraid of, like them her 
getting pregnant again? 

1374
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,320
Or like, I think there was 
something that was, that's why 

1375
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,520
his wife, yeah. 
They didn't. 

1376
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,280
They didn't like that, right? 
Because about the other. 

1377
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:13,360
Child that was coming, Yeah, 
that was obviously born. 

1378
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,240
Yeah, that he's sibling and then
the baby died. 

1379
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,960
That's right. 
So they didn't go into detail 

1380
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,800
about that, but I guess we were 
supposed to just chop that up to

1381
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,160
the second born thing again and 
him being afraid of that because

1382
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:31,040
is that when his wife? 
When did he kill his wife's 

1383
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,400
mother? 
When did he was that? 

1384
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,200
It was right after, like, she 
comes back from the hospital 

1385
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,040
after losing. 
She's postpartum losing the 

1386
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,280
baby. 
Yeah, losing the baby. 

1387
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,160
And and she finds her mom at the
well. 

1388
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,000
The mom's like stay back, stay 
back, get get away. 

1389
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:52,360
From him, terrifying. 
And she kills herself, and she 

1390
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,320
was touched by the evil spirit. 
So yeah. 

1391
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,680
And he he had been possessed, 
yeah. 

1392
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,280
But it was part of part of, I 
guess, the ghost wanting to. 

1393
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:07,680
Do things for him because he 
overheard them talking in the 

1394
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,080
hospital after she lost the baby
that oh, you got to get away 

1395
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,360
from him. 
She was like advising her 

1396
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,760
daughter to leave him. 
Yes. 

1397
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,080
And so she was like, Oh no, to 
leave him, you got to get, you 

1398
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,880
got to go. 
So the ghost was like, oh 

1399
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,200
perfect. 
I can get more more power over 

1400
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,400
him by killing his mother-in-law
and and his wife leaving. 

1401
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,920
So then all she had to do was 
stay with him and not having to 

1402
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,640
worry about his wife. 
Yeah, she stayed with him for a 

1403
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,440
long time. 
Yeah, she did. 

1404
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,240
Yeah. 
The ghost was with the dad for 

1405
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,080
at least 20 years. 
That's probably the longest. 

1406
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,080
I mean, I think it makes and, 
but you know what? 

1407
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,040
Actually that makes it. 
Besides the fact that you see 

1408
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,440
again my other reason why I'm 
like him going blind, but then. 

1409
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:52,000
Why the urgency? 
But then why the urgency in the 

1410
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,560
very first episode where you see
the dad, like, scrambling to get

1411
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,040
in the house? 
Because he's tried to get rid of

1412
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,280
her at one point. 
Remember? 

1413
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,320
Like that. 
Think that was his phase of 

1414
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,240
trying to get rid of her? 
Because it was about collecting 

1415
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,520
those objects and he had gotten 
close to it. 

1416
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,280
But then she killed him right at
the very end, where he hadn't 

1417
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,120
finished collecting the objects,
so she was always. 

1418
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,040
I see. 
So he was provoking her 

1419
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,520
basically, yes, by trying to 
hear exactly. 

1420
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,840
But he had her had her for a 
long time prior to that, though.

1421
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,720
Like, if you think about it, 
like, well, yeah, so but my 

1422
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,880
thing is still the whole going 
blind thing. 

1423
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,600
It's not necessary still, 
because I know just you're over 

1424
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,120
me. 
And talking about the blindness,

1425
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,760
because the whole thing is like,
it makes sense that he 

1426
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,640
specifically wants to keep a 
ghost around who's from this 

1427
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,040
specific period because he is a 
folklore professor himself, this

1428
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,880
is of an interest to him. 
So it's still to him. 

1429
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,720
He has motivations to kind of be
digging deep into this past, 

1430
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,040
this, this case, and this 
history of this ghost. 

1431
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,160
Like all of that is still 
intriguing to him enough to keep

1432
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,520
a ghost around, not him going 
blind. 

1433
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,600
So even again, like towards the 
end, when he's trying to get rid

1434
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,120
of her. 
Why? 

1435
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,760
I thought you needed her, 'cause
you were going blind, you know? 

1436
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,400
I don't know. 
I don't get it. 

1437
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,760
I don't get that. 
I don't get it. 

1438
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,800
What was his realization of? 
Yeah, you. 

1439
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,120
I can't keep her around anymore.
I need to get rid of her. 

1440
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,800
What was it for him that trigger
it? 

1441
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,200
Uh huh. 
Because after 20 years, like 

1442
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,160
what's another 20? 
Yeah. 

1443
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,400
What triggered that? 
Did they show us? 

1444
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:18,520
Was it? 
Yeah. 

1445
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,360
Him not maybe having a 
relationship with his family? 

1446
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:23,560
Maybe. 
I don't know. 

1447
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,960
Weird. 
They didn't really go through 

1448
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:27,760
that. 
They didn't. 

1449
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:28,840
They didn't explain that. 
Yeah. 

1450
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,040
Or maybe I missed it. 
I don't know. 

1451
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,360
I could have missed it. 
Mm hmm. 

1452
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,760
Well, I Do you have anything 
else on your? 

1453
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,240
I think we hit everything on my 
nose. 

1454
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,360
I think we hit more. 
We talked on my nose more than 

1455
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:47,880
my nose, I think. 
Yeah, I think I'll say my least 

1456
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:52,800
favorite ghost of the day story 
was the apartment building 

1457
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,400
Ghost. 
Well, wasn't wasn't haunting the

1458
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,280
apartment building. 
It's just that everyone in the 

1459
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,160
apartment building was getting 
fish, yes, that were possessed 

1460
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,640
and. 
Then the fish, the fish were 

1461
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,400
were killing off the owner, the 
new owners. 

1462
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,680
It wasn't like students. 
I was like a like a what. 

1463
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,600
It was like students, wasn't it?
Like in this like apartment. 

1464
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,960
So it was a loan shark that was 
targeting these poor college 

1465
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,040
kids that were living in one of 
these like shitty ass dorms 

1466
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,600
which he pausing for them to 
study. 

1467
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:28,960
And he was like making them sign
these slave contracts in order 

1468
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:33,080
to give them money. 
And then he owned an aquarium 

1469
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,800
business. 
And so every time he signed a 

1470
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,800
new contract with one of these 
kids, he would give them a fish.

1471
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,640
But the first girl like one of 
the girls. 

1472
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,360
Had this possessed photograph. 
That was crazy. 

1473
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,440
Of the tree, that was the 
suicide ghosts. 

1474
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,960
Yeah, the kids were hanging 
from. 

1475
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,640
I mean, that was too much. 
The kid that was too much. 

1476
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,800
That was terrifying. 
But they were like, Oh yeah, the

1477
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,440
ghosts of kids. 
They would hang these. 

1478
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,440
They wouldn't. 
Oh, gosh. 

1479
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:57,720
OK. 
OK, I'll get it. 

1480
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,600
Afraid all over it. 
They would hang them. 

1481
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,760
I'm getting scared. 
They would hang them in these in

1482
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,760
these tree. 
Containers on this tree and I 

1483
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,560
was like, Oh my God, that is 
wild. 

1484
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,920
And then? 
So this photograph was haunted. 

1485
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,240
And then she, to get rid of any 
evidence that she had family, 

1486
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,440
ripped up the family photograph 
with the tree in it and fed it 

1487
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:22,080
to the fish. 
The fish got possessed. 

1488
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,160
Then the fish were given out to 
the students. 

1489
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,920
That's why I was like, getting 
confused. 

1490
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,040
I was like, this is a lot and 
that's what you that's why I was

1491
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,080
like there was too much ghost of
the day. 

1492
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,080
There was, there was no. 
I mean, it was too much because 

1493
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:40,440
that wasn't intense ghost story 
for it to be just smacked in the

1494
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,600
middle of this story that was 
already intense. 

1495
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,880
We already had an intense ghost 
story to worry about. 

1496
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,400
I didn't need it. 
Didn't need it. 

1497
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:48,520
Like it didn't need it. 
Yeah. 

1498
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,280
So that's why I'm saying, like, 
there was a lot of stuff that I 

1499
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:57,480
just didn't, I didn't jive with.
But I do appreciate this quote. 

1500
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
Humans are more terrifying than 
ghosts. 

1501
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,240
Yes. 
And that was, was that son 

1502
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,480
young? 
Yes, 'cause she. 

1503
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,120
I think it, no. 
I think it was his, his song 

1504
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,320
maybe, 'cause I remember the the
song, It's episode two. 

1505
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,160
Yeah, I think it's up to two. 
And I think it was, I can't 

1506
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,120
Remember Remember when he saw. 
I mean, yeah, when they were 

1507
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:25,920
basically with the young boy 
Ghost and how his own family was

1508
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,320
like basically had killed like 
it was it was horrible and so 

1509
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,360
when that. 
Was whole other story see with 

1510
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,160
the child news and it was 
locked, the little girl and she 

1511
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,200
was locked up. 
It was so, so sad. 

1512
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,000
And so, like, that was a moment,
I think, when they were like, 

1513
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,000
this is more horrifying than a 
ghost. 

1514
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:46,160
The little boy, I mean, her, her
brother was trying to save his 

1515
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,160
sister. 
Like he was a ghost trying to 

1516
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,040
save his sister. 
Not, you know. 

1517
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,960
He basically killed himself to 
put, to put, to put the a 

1518
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,760
spotlight on his family so that 
they would save the little 

1519
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:02,560
sister who was being literally 
kept in like a whole room and 

1520
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,200
fed scraps and just really 
maltreated. 

1521
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,480
And I think that was another was
a child's case. 

1522
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,680
Huge. 
It was a horrible case, and I 

1523
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:16,560
think that was another element 
to this story of like at the end

1524
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:22,480
of the day, the only reason evil
ghost can even exist is because 

1525
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:26,600
of the evilness of humans. 
That's the only way that ghost 

1526
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,000
came to be. 
And even the girl who herself 

1527
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:34,280
becomes a ghost like she would 
have never been this vengeful 

1528
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:40,680
ghost had they not wanted to. 
As as in the grandmother was not

1529
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,560
evil and wanted money and greed 
and and so she created eventual 

1530
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,440
ghost like that would have never
existed. 

1531
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,720
So it did kind of circle back on
purpose. 

1532
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,200
It circled back around to like 
that is who that's that's the 

1533
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:57,720
reason this even exists. 
It's because of evilness in 

1534
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,920
humans. 
It's gross. 

1535
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,280
It's foul. 
That is actually really cool 

1536
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,120
that they. 
I mean it's not cool but I do 

1537
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,800
like that that is a big element 
to like ghost, like ghost 

1538
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,760
stories or like stories about 
demons. 

1539
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:16,160
It's like this only comes to be 
once something causes this, you 

1540
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,200
know like this ghost is not like
just created out of thin air. 

1541
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,760
This I like as in this evil 
ghost or like this demon isn't 

1542
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,680
just kind of created out of thin
air. 

1543
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,160
There's usually some kind of 
horrible back story that kind of

1544
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,080
triggers the evil to continue. 
Yeah. 

1545
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:35,200
And I think that's always 
interesting that when a story 

1546
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,280
kind of analyzes that. 
So yeah. 

1547
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,040
Yeah, yeah. 
So I forgot to ask you what You 

1548
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,840
rated this show out of five 
Soldier bottles. 

1549
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:51,880
So if you want to do that now, 
I'll give my I I think I I would

1550
01:22:51,880 --> 01:23:00,760
have originally, I think gave it
A4 like a like 4 Soldier bottles

1551
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:06,240
because just the performance is 
just so good and so strong and I

1552
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,640
love the beginning and the end 
so much. 

1553
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,800
But I will say that it's just 
too much in the middle there. 

1554
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:18,720
That just isn't exactly what I 
wanted it to be. 

1555
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,440
So it's like borderline like 3 
1/2 Soldier Bottles. 

1556
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:23,840
Like, I'm going to be a little 
rough with it. 

1557
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,280
I think. 
Again, I struggle with ratings, 

1558
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,320
so I this is really kind of 
arbitrary. 

1559
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,560
Maybe I give it five, so do 
bottles. 

1560
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,240
No, I yeah, I think maybe 3 1/2 
I. 

1561
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,520
I feel you and I'm also going to
give it a 3 1/2 Soldier bottles 

1562
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:46,400
because it's it, you know, the 
child abuse case, the tree and 

1563
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,560
the fish. 
Like all this stuff is sort of 

1564
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,640
like there's more where that 
came from and. 

1565
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,160
It's it's very convoluted and I 
don't know maybe if I was Korean

1566
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,520
from the homeland, I would, I 
would understand it better 

1567
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,640
because that's my culture. 
I or I understand folklore, this

1568
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:09,040
folklore, but I but I don't. 
And I've watched a lot of stuff 

1569
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,640
but this was very different. 
It was very targeted. 

1570
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,480
And I'm not going to say it was 
a bad show. 

1571
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:19,000
It's not a bad show. 
It just was not, yeah, 

1572
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:20,560
completely agree. 
And. 

1573
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,800
If you're trig, I mean this is 
really late to be saying this, 

1574
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,120
but if you're triggered by 
suicide, child abuse, you know 

1575
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:35,640
all these things don't watch. 
But if you can stomach it, I 

1576
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,800
would recommend the show. 
It's it's a decent ghost story. 

1577
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,000
Multiple ghost stories. 
There is a mystery that you get 

1578
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,480
to follow and you at some point 
you have to see the the you have

1579
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,560
to see what how Yeah, you have 
to the reveal of the mystery. 

1580
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:54,200
So I think that is enough to 
kind of say that it was is a 

1581
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,160
good watch and then you'll get 
through it, you will see it to 

1582
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,720
the end. 
But there are some points there 

1583
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,320
that may take you out of it a 
little bit and feel a little 

1584
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,600
slow. 
But yeah, it's worth it. 

1585
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:10,880
It is, if you can stomach it. 
Thank you so much for coming on.

1586
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,880
So last minute, Lola, and being 
really flexible with your time. 

1587
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,240
Where can people find. 
So I am on Instagram, Lolo pops 

1588
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,240
off about K dramas and I have a 
website blog. 

1589
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:27,000
Lolo pops off about kdramas.com 
and of course you can find my 

1590
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:33,760
podcast anywhere that you listen
to podcast I I hope to to see 

1591
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:38,240
you guys over on that side and 
over on my side and I am so 

1592
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,000
grateful as always to be a guest
here on day pop. 

1593
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:49,640
I am always like the pressure is
on, but I felt like it always 

1594
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,880
feels like pressure because I 
was like, this is a bit, I'm 

1595
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,360
like stepping on a big stage 
here and I just got to make sure

1596
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,920
I, you know, don't bomb stage. 
The spotlight's on. 

1597
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:04,120
No, But I love, love being on 
here with you each time, Jess. 

1598
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,560
You make it so much fun that we 
laugh a lot. 

1599
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,600
It's always a blast. 
So thank you for having me. 

1600
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,080
Yes, I'm so glad you feel that 
way. 

1601
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,360
This is not just. 
Like, there's no pressure, I 

1602
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,560
swear. 
Like I'm in my. 

1603
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,280
Yeah, right now, like all your 
listeners, I just want, you know

1604
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,520
that Sage. 
Yes. 

1605
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,080
You make it so chill, lay back 
when we're talking, and then I'm

1606
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,120
like, wait a second, other 
people are gonna hear, this is 

1607
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,640
not just me and Jess chatting 
and having a good time. 

1608
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,520
It's like other people can 
actually listen to us. 

1609
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,160
So I remember that, like, right 
at the end, they're like, gosh, 

1610
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,680
did I say anything weird or 
wrong? 

1611
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,760
Offensive. 
Let me did I? 

1612
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,120
But no. 
Oh my God. 

1613
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,600
No, no no. 
You're totally good and I can't 

1614
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,360
wait to have you back. 
Lola I and and for me to maybe 

1615
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,040
go on your own. 
I I do such a hard time 

1616
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,680
gathering the courage to ask 
people to be on my podcast. 

1617
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,080
But like also the scheduling is 
just like mayhem. 

1618
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,120
So I'm always like I don't want 
to. 

1619
01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:11,000
You don't. 
You don't have to tell me how. 

1620
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,880
Yes, the schedule podcast it is 
so worse. 

1621
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,080
Yeah it's a scheduling it's it's
like I don't, I don't want to 

1622
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,840
like jump in when it's like a 
busy time for people. 

1623
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,880
And then I'm like if you, I 
don't want you to feel pressure 

1624
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,480
to say like say no if you need 
to. 

1625
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:27,200
You know I'm always like, I I'm 
like it's like jump roping like 

1626
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,400
double Dutch like I'm like 
always going to do it and then I

1627
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,560
like find some way to not jump 
in and like so yeah I got to do 

1628
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,880
I got to do it. 
I got to do more I got to have 

1629
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,040
more guests on. 
I would love. 

1630
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:41,800
I would love to have you. 
The guest In the meantime, go 

1631
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,880
and follow Lola and listen to 
her podcast. 

1632
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,280
She is so great and she watches 
so many currently airing dramas.

1633
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,080
I know you guys want me to watch
every currently airing drama. 

1634
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,800
I sorry that I can't. 
But Lola does her. 

1635
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,600
I fast. 
I do. 

1636
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,760
Watch everything that comes out.
Yeah, you're really good about 

1637
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,000
that. 
So she's a great resource and a 

1638
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,720
great friend to chat dramas with
as well. 

1639
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,200
So I think that's it. 
That's it for spooky season. 

1640
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,800
Thank you for being here. 
And that's been our show. 

1641
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,880
I'm Jessica and this has been 
the Tabaki Rambos Podcast.