I'm Jessica and this is devic a rumbles or a couple of friends
review, Korean dramas, and I'm back.
I'm back from vacation. We're back from the small Hiatus
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Good? Yeah, so we've been friendly for
a while on Tick Tock. I love all of your dick togs and
I was like, oh my God, Sammy would be such a great voice on a
podcast episode. So I invited you on.
You have, actually, you're actually a writer, first of all,
and you Couple of books out that you're so graciously going to
send me. But honestly if you haven't
picked up some of her books, there's two of them right now
and she's working on more, please do.
So they will help you learn Korean as well, which is an
added bonus. Yes.
Yeah, but their romance right? Like I'm not wrong in thing.
Yes. They're kdrama inspired so it
was all kdrama inspired romances.
Yep. So how did you get into kdramas
really fast? And it's funny.
The simple answer is the try guys expected at see Yugi, I've
made them all, go to kcon in Allah and this is I mean way
back like I mean positive years ago and he made them reenact a
kdrama scene and I couldn't understand this seen.
It made no sense to me. I was like I need to Stand.
From. So I found the kdrama which was
my love from another star godhead and I watched it, I
found it on DramaFever, aren't I know?
And so I watched it like in two days and I went, I need more of
this. I need everything that has ever
come out. I want it all.
And that was literally the beginning of the end for me.
Wow. Wow, that is a fantastic story.
I love the try guys. They just had a mean not too
long ago. There was like this giant
Scandal, but anyway, oh yeah. I Ryan guys is like a pillar of
YouTube and I can't believe that they got that.
Like Eugene got you to watch a kdrama My Love from the Star
which we reviewed earlier. Yeah, give my love from the star
is like a Gateway. Holly wave drama and it got you.
It hooked me sucked me in and I and I was literally just trying
to find this scene that they had re-enacted like, that was my
only goal. And I think that seems Maybe The
eighth or ninth episode and I still binged, I was like, nope,
I want the rest, I need to know what happened.
What happened to the alien in the movie star?
Thanks. Oh my God.
I'm you know what? That was probably the top answer
that I've had. From asking this question,
everybody like wow, glad you're here.
Really excited to cover. The drama that we're going to
cover which is The Heirs / inheritors.
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going to get started on this non-spoiler section.
I'm going to go ahead and read off the Asian Wiki synopsis
which I actually like cobbled together with the my drama
listen apis because they were both like incoherent so you know
about it you know about it. Hmm yeah.
So here goes The Heirs, depicts the friendships rivalries and
love life. As of Young Rich, airs led by
Captain and his girl, and a girl named tan sang Kim Tan is the
heir to Empire group, who has been sent to study abroad in the
u.s. in reality, it's a form of Exile as his Elder half-brother
back home schemes to take over the family business.
While in the state's Kim Tan, meets Town song, who arrived
from Korea in search of her older sister, he feels himself
falling for her. I never realizing that she's the
daughter of his family's housekeeper.
Yeah, so this drama aired from October to December 2013.
I was there. Where's my little sign?
The this little badge that says like I was there because I
watched it pretty much as it was airing or close to when it was
finishing airing. It is 20 episodes long.
It's co-directed by two directors Congress Jean Hill who
you might know him as the Director of tale of the
nine-tailed. The 2020 tale of nine-tailed and
the 1938 which is just starting to are right now at the time of
this recording. And I know have you watched till
the nine-tailed? I haven't.
But my cousin has been trying to convince me to II.
Think I might not have to might have to do it.
Okay, so here's the thing. I have like no desire to watch
tale of the nine-tailed. I have no, there's nothing.
Me. Watch it.
Have no sense of urgency. People are like, I can't wait
for 1930. I'm like, that's great.
Great. Yeah, I have no, I think.
Unfortunately, I've seen the spoilers so like I know the
things that happen so it like it's kind of pointless for me to
watch now because I I see the things that I'm just like you
know, I don't want to be I don't need.
Trauma right now, I don't need trauma.
Yeah, so there's that and then Ayers was also code.
Acted by a boost on Joel he's directed, ghost, doctor mask and
my girlfriend is a Gumiho from 2010 among others.
Of course, I think this is the star of the behind the scenes
team Aires was written by by chemo and suck the cumin sock
from so many other dramas she's written the lovers series from
the early 2000s which is lovers lovers in Prague and lovers in
Paris. She's written, Secret Garden,
gentleman's dignity. Descendants of the sun,
Guardian. The great and lonely gosh AKA
Goblin. She's written mr.
Sunshine, she's written the king Eternal Monarch, also with Lee
Min-ho. She's written obviously.
And most importantly in recently, the glory Parts, 1 and
2, which just kind of swept at the back song Awards and got
nominated a lot. So that's Kim min-seok.
Have you watched other Kim Suk dramas I have.
I I loved the king Eternal Monarch because I love the long
has such a great part. Yes, stole that entire series
for me? I literally only watched it for
him. Oh yeah, great.
So I love Lee Min-ho. I've always been looking like a
low-key Lee Min-ho fan at first, I was a high key, like, I love
women who I watch anything, he's in now.
I'm like, I didn't like, oh, you know, lesser stockholder of
Lehman who like stocks, And sold your shares.
Yeah. Like I sold some shares you know
I'm gonna be it's very casual. So I was like oh lee minho's
coming out with a new drama big deal and it had keep going in it
and I was like, oh my God, I love Kim.
I have more more stocks and can go and then I do in Lima not at
this point. So I watched it and I was
befuddled 100% of the time and I'm a person who loves
time-traveled, loves fantasy will you know give anything a
shot. And watched it and was like,
this is a mess. Like I can't even deal with
this. It was a holiday lawn was the
only reason. Oh yeah.
Enjoy it at all.
Yes. Oh, but I'm, I did love Goblin.
Yes, whistling like that was Justice.
Hi, SOB SOB. No matter how many times I watch
that show. I will cry.
Yeah, guaranteed no, no, Henry, sighs, somewhere inside, he's
disappearing in. Front of King gun and she's
doing those like guttural like sobs.
I'm like, I'm a wreck. Like I can't really deal with
her right now and it's perfect. So I we've covered a lot of Kim
and suck on the podcast. I think maybe you could say,
this is a low-key like, come on, suck podcast because we've ended
up covering descendants of the sun, Goblin mr.
Sunshine the glory and we're here.
If the heirs after the fact that was not intentional for me to
for us to review the glory, and then the airs but it's fine.
We're here, it's going to happen.
I guess we should move on to the cast, which this Stars.
Lee Min Ho has King done. Well, I mean, he's been in
everything. It like, not everything, but
he's been in a lot of stuff. My personal favorite is City
Hunter. I don't know if you have a
favorite like, Lee Min-ho, probably don't.
This is actually my well, excluding the king Eternal
Monarch. This is the only Lee Min-ho
kdrama. I watched, I'm shocked.
Look, I'm just really shy. So, wow.
Oh my God, what am I gonna do? Okay, so how do I put this
picture? The years like 2011.
And I've watched voiceover. Flowers as like my second kdrama
ever. And I'm like smitten head over
heels for Lehman ho, and I watched promptly watched
Personal Taste and City Hunter and then Faith came out.
Not long after that, which is now the Year's 2012 and I was
just like, eating up Lee Min-ho, content.
I love the man. I thought he could do no wrong
and I remember it was like not long and like maybe a couple of
years after I watch faith. I was like, man, I love that
show so much. Going to re-watch it.
So I restarted we wash. It was like, this is a hot, this
is terrible. I was like, why did I that was
not far removed from when I actually first watched faith and
when it aired. So yeah.
It was, the calm down was pretty hard from dramas and I'd like
to, we can have a discussion on whether he's a great actor or
whether he's a passable actor or whether he chooses projects
really well and like what have you?
But yeah. So there's a Discussion to have,
I guess in a little bit about leaving.
No, but his cuffs are. Yeah.
His co-star is Pock seen a, she plays chanseong and pox Shanae
had was like a staple of, you know, 2010's and linked to
thousands kdrama. She was in your beautiful
heartstrings Flower Boy, Next Door, Pinocchio, doctors the one
I really love memories of the Alhambra which is like a premium
amazing. Onset that they just like
squandered. Oh my God I'm so glad you feel
that way. Yeah.
Did not like it and then I was like I'm so mad memories of the
Alhambra. I have not watched epoxy
teenaged drama since. Okay.
I stole my God. Yeah, I didn't know.
I skipped Sisyphus and she's coming out later this year with
dr. Something to say, I never even
heard that one. I was like, I, when I saw that,
I'm thing. I was like, well good for her, I
guess. Yeah.
Because she One off and got married to Ted to try to June.
And then she had a child, right? Yeah.
Now she's a mother and like, great so happy for her good for
her. I loved seeing the wedding
photos and stuff really happy for her but now she's back
working. And I'm like girl are you going
to keep with the you know quality that you've been putting
out lately or what? So yeah but I like her movie
stuff better. I know if you've seen some of
her movies, she was I saw her. ER, in my annoying brother.
Yeah, I saw that movie, I movies guy.
Listen, Korean, movies are something else because you think
they're going one way. You know left.
There's a hard time then. Boom, your sobbing
uncontrollably. Yeah, they marketed that movie.
They marketed my annoying brother as a comedy.
Yes. So I went into it as a comedy
And by the end I'm ugly Kim K crying.
Like it was so bad it was so I was like you can.
Yeah. This is no time to explain.
Did he kick you do this to me? Oh, oh oh God, yes so good.
I loved it but man was I not expecting that from that movie.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Yeah, I completely 100% agree. If you haven't watched my
annoying brother, definitely give it a shot.
It's not it's just not like the Main.
That's not her brother anything, but she's in it.
She's great. I watch her in the Royal Tailor,
which is a period piece. She was, she played the queen
great movie Beauty inside which is a great movie.
They turn into kdrama. I heard, mixed things about the
kdrama hashtag live, which I was like, oh girl, I see you.
Like this was actually a pretty good zombie movie and she was
good. She was really good in it.
And then the call have you seen The call.
I've heard of it though. Oh my God.
So it was, it's a, how do I put it?
Like she talks to a person from the like two to three years
prior in the past through like a phone supernaturally in their
living in the same house. Sort of like the lake house sort
of deal. Okay.
Yeah except Thriller Not romance and it's quite unbelievable.
Like movie. Wasn't there a movie like that?
Not with the time past thing. But it had one of the Chris's
like it was an American uh-huh, where he answered a phone call
because she just dialed a random number and she was like
kidnapped This and he's so familiar.
Oh my God, the one who plays Captain America, okay, Chris
Evans, Chris Evans. Yeah.
He answers the phone and like
has to save her. Okay.
I don't I don't know the name of it but yeah this isn't a new
like talking to someone from the past via some Supernatural means
on a really everyday device. It's not like Reinventing the
wheel the wheel here but I think that the suspense and you didn't
know where this where was going to go, who was gonna win,
there's a serial killer obviously involved.
And it just gets way out of hand.
So I liked her and that I was pretty impressed.
Yeah, it's actually a Netflix. I think it might might be a
Netflix original. But anyway, that's pakshi day.
We have a couple supporting and then we'll just get into General
thoughts. So we have Kim woo-bin
supporting as to Young though. He's the second male lead.
Yeah, this is one of his first roles.
This is his breakout role really.
No one, he wasn't like a household name before this.
It was this role that sort of put him on the map and then he
followed this up, few years later with uncontrollably fond,
which I don't know if you've seen that one with Bae, Suzy,
you seen it? Oh my God, that when I
definitely remember watching as it aired on DramaFever crushed
and being crushed. Well I just it was like I got
side lie like I got Just hammered.
Oh yeah. Like there was no I got T-boned,
you know, like I didn't know it was coming.
Yeah, yeah. Did not see it coming and you're
like, wait, what it was? And you're like, it's what just
happened? Yeah, I'm sorry what just
happened? I don't.
So he does that. Then he gets diagnosed with
cancer and he's off like getting treated and recovering from
Cancer four years and doesn't do much in his career.
And then now he's back, right? Like he did our Blues last year
in 2022, and now he's doing Black Knight, which is a Netflix
original coming out, like, a few weeks or something like that.
Yeah, say soon. Yeah.
So that's keep Movin. And lastly, we have Kim d. 1.
She plays Rachel. You, she's the second female
lead. One of the second thing.
I don't even know. So We'll talk about it, I guess.
And yeah, again one of her breakout roles that, it's just
like her breakout role and then a few years later she comes in
with descendants of the sun which again is another human
suck project. I guess you really liked the the
writer and she came back for more.
She's been in fight for my way arth doll Chronicles.
I don't want to talk about that a lot.
I didn't realize that's been in a bunch of people it.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's been in a lot.
My Liberation notes. I think is the big one from last
year, 2022. What do you feel?
Like if you have any feelings about Kim 21 as an actress or
anything? Yeah, we're talking The Heirs.
I was like Okay about her, I did like her in descendants of the
Sun, but I felt her role was very similar in the like I'm
being cold. Like it's saying so and even in
Love Struck in the city. Oh really?
I haven't seen that one like oh, she's very like she had a
fun-loving attitude when I don't want to spoil it so like but she
has this fun-loving attitude in one like you.
No portion of it right then she again, becomes that.
Very stoic. I have no feelings person.
Okay, I feel like they kind of they almost type cast her as the
girl who doesn't show emotions, but has Rachel's.
Like, she's basically playing a version of Rachel in a lot of
projects. It wasn't until I saw in fight
for my way in 2017 that I was like, oh my God she can do
something else and she's really good as this other personality
like actually trying something different.
A totally In character. And then I wasn't impressed with
her again until my Liberation notes from last year where I was
like, oh my God yeah this is like totally different from
Rachel, right? Like this is Rachel as like
taking over much of her career ever since this year, 2013 with
airs. So yeah I think that's it.
Like we can talk about the rest of this.
Really big cast in a bit but we're on the other side.
Let me know what were your Thoughts on the airs.
I, you know I was expect-- cuz I didn't watch it when it first
came out, it never caught my attention and I think the main
the main reason was for me I always tend to roll with high
school dramas. Yes.
Because I I always am like these are not targeted towards me.
If this is not going to be something that I am.
I'm going to enjoy simply for that fact.
And so I tend to not pick them and Times I end up being
disappointed because then I'll watch them and be like why
didn't I watch this? You know, when it came out it
was it ended up like extraordinary you.
I was like it's a high school thing it's not going to and I
ended up loving it because it made fun of the high school
ones. Huh?
You know that kind of thing I like that and I have to say
going into it at first this show the airs was a struggle.
It was a struggle. I even text.
Stood you that again I said hey girl can we can we push this
back a little bit? Yeah it's rough out here like it
was it was rough that first episode and then you know I got
past that first episode Okay, I get it.
I can see why people were drawn to this show.
I think I can see why people were, you know, I loved it so
much like in that 20, but it was also a very 2013 drama.
Uh-huh. When watching it, I was like, oh
man, they haven't done this in years where you know, the three
are standing in a triangle and she's just staring at both of
them and the camera pans to all three like 15 times before.
Cutscene the episode is over. Like I hadn't seen that in so
long. It's like, oh, man, throwback.
And I sure enough I did, I really did enjoy it more than I
thought I was going to. Wow, I did, I did.
Oh my God. Okay.
Wow. What a Twist?
Because I thought you were going to say, I didn't like it was a
struggle to get through it, and, you know, I ended up not liking
it, so I'm going to come in a little bit hot here.
So, So glad the heavy whoops I watched it very near to December
2013 when it finished airing and believe I watched it on
DramaFever and high RF P RV if you know you know and I was
excited I knew that this was a really big deal.
That Lee Min Ho is another High School drama and that it that
what it was like, buzzing right? Even Wasn't on Reddit, I wasn't
on Instagram. Like I wasn't immersed in the
kdrama community like I am. Now I knew that this was a huge
deal that people were watching that this was popular.
And I think that I was really Blown Away by the fact that they
film, like, the first three episodes in California, that was
a huge it. Now we don't really think so
much about it. Yeah.
But back then that was a huge deal for them to send the entire
production overseas and to film on location and have this
different How we weren't in Seoul, I was like, oh my God,
like I was really riveted by those first three episodes and
intrigued by this weird relationship that they were
starting up. Basically there.
She's a fish out of water and he's this weird Exile, he's an
air and all this stuff and he's basically playing a version of
could jump you from Boys Over Flowers, write that character.
And I was like, okay, I Where this is going somewhere inside
the next eighteen episodes. I think I remember being annoyed
because, yeah, it was spreading white, like, the plot was
wafer-thin, and it was treading water for like episodes on end,
and there was a lot of wallowing and crying, and I don't remember
being as a murse necessarily in like the I think I was more
immersed in the drama but I wasn't like crying.
I wasn't like, you know, Strung Out Over much of this drama and
I didn't remember a lot of it. So returning to it.
I was like, wow, they're filming in California.
Like I started around the same like Serta cycle where I was
like, oh yeah, like they did this whole California Bay and I
was like laughing, it it's so bad like it's ridiculous, it's
horrendous. It?
What? That's why I said.
It's bad to get through that episode.
And um I think I also, I remember, being really sort of
surprised that her mother Town sangs, mother was mute like that
was a huge deal to me back in the day I was like I've never
seen a character with a disability like that and like
they're doing sign language and stuff back and forth.
I was like, this is amazing. So I thought like in my Limit.
This wasn't the term back then, but like representation was
really sort of a positive for me back in 2013 when I watch.
But man, I couldn't I couldn't really get into it.
This time around there was very few moments where I was like,
yo, this is really cooking right now like this Clause really, you
know, like it was the stories worn out, everybody's
unreasonable. Oh, and it's so unreasonable.
I didn't like Town song. I thought she had no
personality. None, none whatsoever.
None whatsoever. All these men were falling over
their feet and so yeah, like I think, you know, I think maybe
the reason I enjoyed it the way I did, it wasn't necessary was
not necessarily the plot, it was not the acting or anything.
I think it was that, that idea of I was watching an old kdrama
in a current mines, dried, okay? And the things I enjoyed were
things that I Kind of was like, oh my God, like things that I
used to make fun of in kdramas, like the back, hugs, those like
crazy back hugs, where she would like lose her.
Oh my God, what are you doing? Yeah, giving me a hug Republic.
How dare? And like things like that.
I think that was and like you said the the Ridiculousness of
how unwilling to see people's perspectives, right things,
right? And like just You couldn't go
from, like, they would go from A to Z and skin like all those
letters in between and you were sitting there going, but but
there were other options, right? Many other options exactly.
Like it was like yeah. I think that's the reason I
enjoyed watching it because this was my first time and so it kind
of was like this In a weird way almost like a comfort of the old
old shows. Like it was like, oh man.
I kind of miss this. But do I really miss this?
Because the amount of times, I rolled my eyes while watching it
going. Oh my god, really, did he just
say that? Oh my God, they really just.
Yeah, but it still made me enjoy it.
Like, I caught myself like laughing at things that was
just, it was just that. Oh, man to be back in 20,
Thirteen right? Yeah, that's exhibits a time.
It's a time capsule for sure. Oh yeah, the show is painfully
2013 and the actors are from 2013, all their stylist.
From there. The clothes, the makeup,
everything is sort of retro now. Like, you think you look back on
it and you're like, oh man, this is, I used to wear my hair like
this or I, my sister had my hair, had this haircut and it
didn't seem weird back then like that.
Was it? What I noticed back in 2013, I
was definitely, I was definitely picking up more on the romance
aspect and now I'm picking up on the lack of Rome like, this
doesn't, this story is very romantic to me at all.
Now, rise fact, it's like it's creepy.
It's yes, because he just shows up everywhere.
Like any time she is being inconvenienced.
He's there. How where when like what in the
Edward Cullen? Are you doing in every location?
That was that this girl is in that was literally thinking,
might I have that in my notes that he's being such an Edward
Cullen about the whole thing and why did like is this romance
sweet? Or is it disturbing?
I think it's like that now. I think it's disturbing that all
100%, but back then, when I'd like, you know, Twilight was
still popping back. Then it was, it was the thing to
be like this creepy stalker. Essentially of the Pearlman
thanked, both of them. Yes.
But how how?
Our day and he's finds her. He's there all the time
everywhere. I'm sorry they were in a street
corner. And he just shows up.
What I can't even do that, if I tried, if I tried, if I use all
my powers and I'm like, I think he's gonna be on this street
corner. Be the wrong Street Corner.
Soul is Sunnah, freaking huge. Exactly.
Exactly, yeah. So lack of plot.
A lot of pain and misery and manufactured angst and like an
overabundance of flashbacks and Musical.
Montages and just filler so much filler.
Like I said, tone song is so annoying and indecisive and I
mean there's nothing to latch onto there for her.
I just don't understand why they even fell for her.
I can maybe understand why she fell freaking ton maybe.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
I cut the other way. A rat like looking back at her.
I'm like, I have seen nothing, like there's nothing.
I hate to say it. She tends to play those
characters and I, and I really didn't.
I never liked her, unfortunately, because every
drama I tended to watch of hers, that's what she was.
She was this character who they tried to make you pity and made
you like you, they made you pity her.
Yep. And that's the reason that they
should love her, right? And it was you Hazard a hard?
So yeah, she got Typecast into that.
Character and I know she did try and get out of it and I think
she's still trying to MMM with like, you know, that along,
bruh. You know, she tried to get out
of uh-huh. That Typecast.
Yeah, she was type classes like a Cinderella.
Yeah, every time. Yeah, but boring Cinderella and
boring, like, at least Cindy had like, you know, some chops on
her. She had a and goals in life.
She had friends and we'll friends, whatever you can make a
play for Cinderella having Way more personality than passionate
in this freakin drama. She's literally and again like
the Cinderella comparison is really runs deep in this drama
because she's literally living in the maids Closet in this
giant mansion that what might as well be a castle and are pretty.
In this case, this drama are Prince.
Charming doesn't really care about being.
The prince doesn't want the crown.
If I had a nickel for every time they had a, he who Bears the
crown like, Like a lion in this. Oh my God, yeah, I could go to
Chipotle on it. So it is so I am kind of on this
it like I think you liked the sort of kdrama nostalgia.
Oh yeah, the show. But yeah once you start looking
at it, it's like a it's like a Monet.
Like look at it up close and you're like this is terrible.
Yeah. This is absolute.
It's like just what is happening?
Yeah. Yeah, dang.
So I do want to say a few like positive things because I feel
like the chemistry between Pakistani and Lee Min Ho at
times was. Okay or possible.
Sometimes good. I liked when they were
bickering, sometimes, they're bickering was pretty good.
Like they were fast like they, yeah, the back and forth was
fast. Remind me a little bit of
Gilmore Girls and that the writing was a little bit witty
during those moments when they were like, just Just snapping
back and forth at each other. And having these sort of moments
where they were like understanding each other, or she
started flirting. All of a sudden, he was like, oh
my God, like, she's flirting back with me.
So it's doubt those were good parts but pretty much anything
outside of that. I was like, okay, I think I'm
going to take the op, not the opposite, but I actually liked
her and woo-bin. Yes, the time about it.
Really? I loved their bickering.
And they're like, yeah, hate yeah, but not hate like him
trying to figure out what he's really feeling about her by,
like, being that bully but then realizing he doesn't want to
bully her. But if it's the only way he
knows how to show affection, right?
You know this is so n an old-school mentality, right in
the way. A lot of things are archaic in
this but the fact that the boys are Using like straight up
aggression to sort of woo, her and Kim.
Woo. Bin, especially with his
bullying, which I will talk about that.
Yes, in a minute. But yeah.
Him trying to like get her attention by being outright like
snobbish and, and mean to her. Yeah, yeah.
Is like woefully outdated but yeah.
Later on you sort of angry for him.
I know I was rooting for him and I'm like there should be no
reason. This man is literally hundreds
of red flags. There's not a single green flag.
Yeah, I'm just sitting there going.
I want you to have her, let him have her, and it's like, you
know, like he would, and I think it was like, he would just,
like, say random things that I would be like, oh, that's so
cute. Like, oh, that's like, you know,
like I remember him like he was sitting in the coffee shop and
she's like, are you here to just like, you know, annoy me or
whatever? And he just says, no, I was
feeling lonely. I just keep my heart.
My heart's telling the truth to her.
Yes. And I think I was like you said
I was rooting for him by the end of it.
I was like, screw you man. Oh, I'm going with this guy.
Like he's so whiny, like both of them are really whiny but by the
end who has his head on more straight, it's Kim woobin's
character. Hmm.
In actuality. So, you know, you sort of root
for him, you feel bad for him. As soon as his hair starts to do
flea, and he goes down until like the beaver cut your like,
oh, maybe it's not so bad. Oh my god.
I didn't even think of that. It's what you just said it.
And I just went. Oh my God.
You're right. Yeah, his hair just gets
progressively, mom, beer. Oh my God.
The speaking of hair pop action
is hair. Like, it doesn't matter.
What is happening to her. She could be working three
part-time jobs, she could be getting yelled at.
She could be in the It's snowing outside its cold as shit.
The blowout was always Immaculate.
Immaculate mechanical it his she looked amazing.
I always like he would pull her hair down from the ponytail.
Where was that bump? Where's the pony tail?
Where was the case in her hair? Looks like purple hair.
Yeah. How are you?
Her hair? Yeah.
I like how how. Beautiful beautiful yeah.
I was very jealous of the hair. Yeah, I noticed that right off.
That was like, wow, that's unreasonable.
But I yeah, really admire that she's struggling.
She's struggling. Can't even afford a room.
Megan apartment yet, her hair quaffed.
Salon carré perfectly. Yes.
Exactly. That's where all the money went.
It went to the salon pills, you're right, you're right.
But yeah, I have literally going back to just see it right now.
My notes, he's always hiding by her next to her eavesdropping
and watching her sleep, like he's such a creeper very much,
an Edward character, that's direct quote, for my nose.
We are going to do this together.
This is long time, I think this is one of the last bastions or
this era of kdrama is a different generation because
we're still getting red flag, male leads and nowadays.
The trend is to have green flag, male leads and you don't have
these types of personality. You don't have these types of
Edward Twilight, like, Things happen.
And if you do, it's way more believable, it's way more
connected and a little more communication for like how did
he end up on a street corner? Where she's at?
And it's like yeah, that's it each other whatever like they
kind of make it better. And yes, it was really jarring
to go back to 2013 and see both of these guys who I'm like, at
various points in the show, your like neither is better than the
other right? Like, clearly even the second
male lead, it's not until the The last few episodes that
you're like, wow, she should really rethink the content thing
because you know, this guy is actually very, very good.
You know, he's learning from his mistakes.
He actually has a character Arc him time is largely the same
beginning to the end of the show that goes without saying for
Pacino's character because she has no Arc whatsoever.
Terrible, not none. So yeah, I the jealousy.
I couldn't get through like the jealousy.
Bit of the red flag stuff and not even just like with those
two but with Rachel like you know, they was jealous of
everybody else in one way or another, right?
And I think the crazy thing was, they constantly knew that.
Hmm, that you knew that these other people were jealous of the
others in, like, they all knew they all knew except for except
for parks, and he didn't know, she was oblivious to all this
jealousy that was going on. Yeah, everybody in that show was
jealous of somebody. Yeah.
And I was just, I was, you know, that.
Why? Why why Just move, just move on.
I doubt it talking about why, I also didn't understand the
animosity between Kingston and woobin's character, right?
Like I understood it like after they do like the flashbacks of
like oh they had this falling out because whatever we want say
now because it's non spoilery section.
Like yeah. After that.
I was like, yeah. So still not a good reason to
like hate each other's guts. Yeah, it means that didn't make
any sense to me, right? Like to me, I could understand
indifference, right. Like let's say your friend moves
away suddenly and you had this crazy weird falling out that
happened and now you don't really know who they are.
You haven't heard from them, I can understand.
They just don't care about each other anymore, like that.
Nothing to do with each other. Not this.
So I can understand that. Not this active hate that look
at that takes way more energy to hate someone.
Then it just does to not care. So I feel like that's something
that probably if this was written today.
They would go a little more in that route where it's like, they
don't really have anything to do with each other.
The more indifferent to each other and there are as friends
or Frenemies would just be them, either becoming enemies and then
friends, or just learning to be friends again, through all of
these like machinations that happen.
Yes, 100. So it's really odd, too.
Just like they come back and it's like there's the metal
would like rock music every time they're in the same frame
together and you're like it's not it's so cheesy.
It's so dumb like you. Yes, you're telling us how to
feel? Yes, you're telling us.
Oh, they don't like each other. Oh, there's like might be a
fight you or whatever? Yeah, I'm just like that's part
of a high school dramas as well. Where they're kind of hand
holding the audience a lot and it was just so annoying, like, I
just was annoyed for large swaths of the show.
Oh, yeah, I totally get it. Oh God, I couldn't, I couldn't
deal with it. The possessiveness the jealousy,
the like, yeah, the trimmings of it, but what do you think of the
OST? And then after this, we'll give
our scores and get into spoilers section.
Love is moment. You know, it's so funny because
I knew, I knew it was from the show, but I had like I said, I
had never watched the show, so I never could appreciate it in all
the like, you know, joking like it because this is now.
Yes, exactly. Now it just like, click so much
more that I'm You gotta appreciate it, you gotta
appreciate it. Yeah, I think in episode 1, when
they're still in Cali and they like throw a needle drop the
first OST song and I was like oh oh my God my neck the Whiplash.
Yeah I still love this OST I still think it's stupid and oh
yes hop but it's like pure K drama OST goodness and it's like
pure it's not trying to be cologne necessarily.
No. Like today, I feel like OST.
They're trying to be a little more cool hip.
Yeah follow a specific genre and this is like not not that at
all. I think and I think the thing is
like it's it brings like that that Nostalgia back at it makes
you even while we you know we've said that it's it has its cringy
moments and like there's so many things it is not like about it.
It puts us back into that moment when like Oh man, remember when.
So and so did this and that and you know it brings you back into
that kdrama and like the things you remembered that you liked.
I agree completely. Oh man.
All right. So what would you give this
drama out of five Soju bottles five being a really great
wonderful experience watching it.
I'm actually going to go a little high but not too high.
Okay. I'm gonna give it a 38.
I okay I'm gonna cuz I feel like like I said it was very
nostalgic. It made me weirdly miss the like
multiple red flags in kdrama men.
Yeah but also made me realize how much they've developed,
right? A dramas since I I love woobin
like he grew. Ooh on me so much that like
show. And like you said, by the end of
it, he was the one who was the most together, right?
You know, he really was and so I there were a lot of things to
like, but there were more things to, you know, kind of dislike.
So that's why it's over. It's over the halfway point, but
it's not for, okay, so I'm going to give it a two point five
because it was almost unwatchable for large parts of
Show some scenes are iconic and really good and some think it
did some things really. Well, the OST is really good.
Lee Min Ho is, I don't think we've said a necessarily a bad
thing about Lee Min Ho so far. I think he really carries the
show. Not pocketed a at all.
No, no. Well, I guess we'll talk about
it more in spoilers section, but a lot of positive things I like
the the disability. Representation with the mute,
mom, which I get again, I was like, so awestruck about that in
2013, watching it for the first time and yeah.
So 2.54 like some good things but mostly this is not my bag
anymore, which is sad. Yeah, but yeah.
And this is kind of why I wanted to do some of these older
kdramas on this season of the podcast because so many people
have I've come across and said, like I don't watch preet B15
kdramas and I'm like 2015 that's not that long ago.
Like I just really kind of wanted to revisit some of these
and maybe like us talking about it will make someone want to
watch The Heirs for themselves and see what we're talking about
and give some of these older kdramas, some love because some
people are like, oh, Lemonhope never seen like older, Lee
Min-ho stuff and like City Young Boys Over Flowers have just seen
like a couple of things of his and it's really surprising to me
because there's all of this work that's just not Being seen
anymore. So, yeah, I am.
I'm glad you did this. We're going to jump into the
spoiler section. Now, right after this, you want
to come in. All right, we're on the other
side of spoilers. So, anything goes, if you don't
care to be spoiled about the airs and keep listening.
And if you want to remain unspoiled, although I feel like
we did Veer into spoiler territory but we didn't, Do that
much damage and also section just stop.
Watch the show come back. We'll be here.
Okay, where would you like to start first?
Because I think we need to double back on the California
episodes. Pika.
Okay. Absolutely.
Like I mean I was really into those it's 2013 and you have
like you you enter in on this really moody 18 year old Canton
with in looking back on it and like There's no way that Lehman
ho can pass for an 18 year old. No, no, no.
Like that's a man, right? Yeah.
Okay. So there's that, and that's only
suspend reality, you know? Yeah.
Because none of them look like they were teenagers and like,
you know, Korean skincare some of those these people look way
younger than they actually are, but I still couldn't believe
that. This 20 year old man was a high
schooler Like know so and then so we find out he's an unwanted
illegitimate child. His brother shipped him off to
America. In this weird Exile thing.
You don't even know you don't really understand made no sense
the family Dynamics, you don't really understand it.
Or you're like, okay, I guess we'll figure it out later and
the scenes of him surfing. Fun fun.
Fun fact, leaving. No actually learned how to surf,
but is not a good swimmer. Like doesn't really know how to
swim. He said that in an interview
that he was like, yeah, I think they asked him like, who would
you save and named to like co-stars.
Yeah. Like in an instant but those are
stupid interview questions but he's like, yeah, I don't really
swim like that was his answer. Sir was like, I don't really
swim, so I'm like, okay, cool. They got wow to learn how to
survive. And then what do we get?
We get an outdoor beach shower scene.
Right off the bat, right off the, you gotta go, Gotta tell us
on it, you know. Yeah, no, no, and I thought he
looked really good like even going back and re watching.
I was like, you don't even know, like had something, you know,
and his hundred percent, okay? English leaving he'll speak.
English abysmal. And I know he's only supposed to
be in California for like three years, but he has managed to get
a whole plethora of friends friends, and they all seem to
understand his really bad English and I feel like if
you're so immersed you probably get the hang of it, a little
faster than you know usual and all the classes are in English.
You know what I'm saying? Like he's doing business in
English. Shhhh, and he's still pretty
Rusty on speaking English. So I was like, ooh, this is
painful. Why does the school look like a
college instead of a high school?
Like yeah, yeah. So it's just all know that
there's almost a kind of suspended because the only
reason was because I remember watching like the o.c.
Oh, way back in early 2005 stuff.
I know I'm dating. Self here but like, you know,
their school very much looked like that, but they were also in
high school, so I'm like, maybe it's just, like a California
thing and not East Coast. We do not have campuses for high
school, okay, never happened. I got Portables, did you get
portables for some of our high school?
No. Okay.
That's might be a Florida thing. Okay, so we'll move on what so
these are like temporary. It's like trailers but they're
not trailers, it's like oh yes we did have something.
Okay. Okay.
And they were like outdoors. And yes.
Yeah. You have to run to them in the
in the rain and stuff. Yes!
Okay! Gideon trauma, but it's a bit.
Sorry. Snow.
It's fine. We don't need it.
Do you want to unpack that right now?
No, not right now, maybe later. So the best friend with the long
blond hair, atrocious actor, I know where they found this God
he made me cry. And every time he came on the
screen, I almost wish that. I almost wish that almond, but I
was like being pasted. Yeah, I wish that bean pant by a
powder, knocked him freaking out because he was, he thought it
was drugs, he like took. Yeah, giant bag of bean powder
like a freak. As long as you get that through
customs, it gotta get that through customs.
Yeah. Like what what?
No, no absolutely not. And it's like, I don't know.
God, long story short like so many like terrible moments so
far, but at least we're in California.
I guess we get Paxton a, we get her intro, she's tired of being
poor. She feels awful for wanting to
get out of her home situation. She feels guilty for wanting
independence from her mom guilty that she wants a better life and
she's like, we never Talk about this again but like she's full
on abandons. Her mom in Korea, to go live
with her sister in the states. That was why she landed.
That was the intention of her Landing in the States.
Was now I'm going to live in the United States with my sister
who's doing really well, plot twists.
The sisters doing terribly she's working full-time as a waitress
in this weird. It looks like a regular like
Beachside restaurant but somehow she's getting sexually harassed
every day. All the time every Tire like
it's not a booters or like a Twin Peaks sort of place.
Alright, I don't get this. So again, lots of questions here
especially because they're in the state.
So like the level of scrutiny is a little bit higher I guess for
us because we're, we're from the states, so she gets there
everything is like to shit. Like the sister is in this
terrible violent abusive relationship.
What does dead be dude? And what looks like a crack
house. Oh seriously, looks like Look
right up crack house. Yes.
And Lee Min-ho like sees all the drama it's like just in the
middle. Like she's watching her sister.
Gets sexually harassed in the restaurant and she's doing a
like the puck Chanel lip biting chin quivering.
Like thing is so I hate it like to this day.
I hate it. I think that's ridiculous acting
lip biting because she liked is frustrated and like she can't
like express it any other way. Way and leaving house literally
sipping coffee watching this drama play I'm saying you're
Tick-Tock of literally him just watching these two and like the
curb is like the Kermit. Literally the Kermit me just
interesting like, not really, like, not really being a human
about it. No, I know, totally just wonder
what that's about. Yeah, like Lee Min-ho couldn't
have like I don't know what they were thinking with with that
choice, there's so many choices. Right.
But that's just one of them. Yes.
And then we get the bean powder, chasing through the The beach of
the friend hits this volleyball, net at full speed and falls down
and that's like their meat cute. Okay look it's Lee Min-ho like
running after his friend going like that's not drugs.
Again they end up at the hospital because of friends
allergic to beans. Evidently.
Yeah. And she's there and she's just
like, what do I do? And they kind of like start
their whole spiral relationship from there.
I don't really like that. Make you at all.
No, no. Like that's not a good look
cute. No, not okay.
Not at all. Yeah.
We never Circle back on the sister at all throughout the
server. I was gonna say that they
literally bring her up at the I think when she gets back to
Korea, her mom says that oh she called and she said like sorry.
I'm what just that's it, that's not to accept of this this
entire it's like a cold white right there.
Okay. So all the money that the mother
had like, yeah. And flux-off, like doesn't tell
them where she's going. What she's doing?
No. And like that's it.
You guys are going to just have to write up abandoned some and
you're like that's fine. No.
What kind of question is that? And then they reference her and
I think in the last episode or so, Where the mom was like, oh
yeah. She texted me.
And I was like texted, like the shops just keep coming, like,
not even a call, she texted to shoot to say she was okay, she
got a job. She's fine back on her feet.
What crazy? Yeah.
Yeah, you gotta pay us back. All the Buddies like low, Bruh.
Bruh. Yeah, yeah, I hated it.
They make America look really good.
And really bad at the same time. Yeah, same time.
The roving band of gangsters that like come Apollo my god
when she's like, she's waiting for her sister by the crack
house which what the fuck was she thinking?
First of all and like this roving band of gangsters like
walks by on the sidewalk and they start like talking about
her, like they. Yeah.
And she gets really scared and starts and hides and then they
have that like moment where it came time, like comes back
driving down. The street to pick her up.
Yeah but then followed that the follows up with the other two
gangsters who show up at his house but for some reason in
Malibu. Yeah labou.
Yeah. Why were they there for him?
Exactly. Like I never under even stood
that Port except for, it was just a reason for him to grab
her and run. Yeah.
Like an exact episode things never made sense.
Yeah, no them running for and then oh my God.
But the scene is so iconic. Right?
Like to me this is one of the big scenes of the show is them
just like running to hand in hand like through.
California them running from Malibu to the Hollywood, Walk of
Fame which is like an hour drive.
Yes. And exact a nearly sent me over
the edge because it's like one of those things where while the
Korean audience would just never get Get that.
This is yeah. Dead wrong.
And you can't just run from Malibu to the Hollywood Walk of
Fame. Yeah.
And then a little Hollywood sign and then you're like yeah they
were in that like residential area near the hill.
Yeah. And I was like, it's so painful.
It's yeah. So yeah she stays over at his
mansion in Malibu, he keeps like messing with her like scares her
about like taking her kidneys. And she liked actually believes
him. But then actually like, why is
he being such a dick? Because she's look has no
passport in the states. Staying over a stranger's house
is definitely just came from a crack house in a bad part of
town and like, he's like joking about kidneys, taking her
kidneys and stuff. And I'm like, he's clearly going
through it right. He's gonna like wrong move, bro.
His flirting was so questionable.
Oh, yeah, but we do get the balcony stare.
Like she wakes up in the morning and walks out onto this.
That was funny backyard, and he's up on this balcony, staring
down at her as if she's an SAT question.
Like, what is the look on his face?
Like I have no at this is also. I quite like this scene and then
she like sees him and has this like, bashful look of like, oh
yeah, sorry, I was just looking at this mess.
Majestic View out this million dollar mansion.
Yeah. Didn't mean to bother you here
interrupt? Yeah, yeah.
Oh man. So I just can't with these
California over the sites like one thing after another.
But yeah, so the he's in class, I think and she goes to school
with him. They're talking about the most
beautiful English word from a survey of non-english speakers
and the word is a mother and I'm like Because he's particularly
jabbed. He's got a fractured
relationship with his own mom, and you're just like, oh, I get
it, I get it. We're foreshadowing, our shadow.
Yeah. Oh my God.
So anyway, the last iconic thing from the the California two
things, the California said of episodes is the do I like you
wine? Yes.
Hmm. Which I don't know if I had
heard that or seen that seen before like he turns her it's
like, do I like I don't think I've seen that prior to watching
it washing that in real time I remember being like, Oh my God,
what I do remember just being like, wow, I don't get it, I
don't understand why he's asking himself.
Yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah.
So there's that and then the California t-shirts.
Oh my God, I have the couple T-shirts.
Yeah. My heart, California.
Because this eating, they're eating breakfast.
And I remember, she's like, I just want pancakes.
I just want pancakes, they have pancakes and orange juice and
all that American movies and stuff.
Yeah, I'm like, girl, wherever you at is not where you're going
to get the best of that. So you're not gonna get that.
You are not going to get that because they're staying like the
Bates Motel or something. I mean it.
It's a moldy hotel in California, and they spend the
night together. Nothing at all happens.
Riddle, me. That like nothing at all of
significance happens between his, it's a 2013 kdrama.
So I was like, okay, cool. So I remember being a little bit
upset back in 2013. That after this, we end up back
in Korea and we started School drama, like, I didn't know back
in 2013, that this was going to end up being a School drama.
I can say that because it didn't really give that Vibe.
Right? Like, a first three episodes 3
episode. No, no idea that they're going
to end up like uniforms and all in school for the large majority
of the show. I do like the anticipation.
You don't know when they're going to meet each other again.
Yes and she's in the house already and then yeah.
And the house he keeps thinking there's like a ghost.
Yeah I like is there like a ghost here or whatever and then
he like realizes yeah. Yeah.
Oh god. Um she goes to get his mom, a
bottle of wine and she's in this dark Courtyard area and she's
using her phone as a flashlight and on her way back.
He turns on all the courtyard lamps for her and I was like,
oh, so Alchemy of souls is nowhere near.
The first drama to do this like sort of bit here because like,
lighting the way for yes, like it's so many of its at rope and
I absolutely Shay. Jay and I don't know.
This one was pretty good. I didn't mind this one a lot.
I know, they've also done it in our beloved summer where you
know, every time she like leaves the house, he like turns on the
lights for her outside because it's dark outside his house.
Stuff like that is really cute. Yeah.
But then he creepily follows that up with his/her.
Same episode. He does the turnaround thing.
And because she's on the phone with him and she's walking ahead
of him in the back. Oh, yeah.
And he goes like turn around. First of all, he says, look at
the second floor because he put the dream catcher, but ha so
fine. Then she's like, like, oh my
God, the Dreamcatcher. And then he says, turn around
and he's there. And obviously, that's the big
reveal that he's the Second Son of the family.
Oh my gosh. I kind of engines the stalk.
Gagging then they can say, well, I mean, from then on, it's only
stocking, that's all it is, all it is.
Do you think that this show made any Progressive, like, comment
on elitism or the case system? That's in the school, or
anything of that nature? Because I don't know if they did
like at the end of the day, there were like here it is.
Yes, obviously it's wrong. But you know, they're all rich
and they all have a happy ending in the end.
So it's like yeah I started just benefit from the system and like
his kind of like yeah. I think it was it was very much
like it is what it is? Yeah.
This is this is life. This is what it this is, you're
not going to change it right? Your you'll Ver.
Change it, right? Um, and you know, you should
just get, get go quick and accept that like just accept
that this is the way it is and it will always be this way.
So yeah, I don't think I think you know Maybe in a sense, the
people watching, got this sense of wow this is shitty like we
shouldn't be doing this. Like this is not how the world
should work in schools and outside of school and everything
like that but like this is not how it should be.
Maybe we like can somehow fix that in the real world.
But in the show itself I don't think it really changed anything
like she She didn't benefit from her boyfriend being, you know,
whatever. In fact, it made her life way
worse. Like she was constantly bullied.
She was constantly the, you know, in threat of everything
and anything being thrown at her right.
Um. It didn't her life.
Did I like did not get any better it just for got
progressively worse. Yeah, yeah, she's in love like,
congrats, we are Okay sorry Avril second there through the
love that, love it. Yeah, I was kind of annoyed at
the end of the day because they introduce all these big Concepts
that are the school has this crazy caste system.
You know, the whole Elite people.
The people at the top, are the kids that are going to inherit a
business. The second ones are the stocks.
The third ones are the like high honorable professions like
judges and law firms. The I was like crap like that
and I was like, okay, great. So this is sort of like a
reflection of their world. Like the this top one percent
world that they live in is bubble and the kids don't just
do this of their own accord, like they learn this.
They learn to discriminate against each other, like this
and it all comes from their parents, which we see like all
of the parents and all of their mess as well.
Oh yeah. Yeah, so but they don't offer
any solutions, right? Like they're not like we should
change this you know some characters kind of go through
the wringer because they end up lying to be in a higher position
in the school. Like they think she's a parvenu.
They think like Tong. Tong is up.
Yeah, a parvenu. Whatever.
That is new money. Yeah.
And yeah, I didn't understand the part of a new phrase.
I didn't get it either. Like fine, whatever.
And this other girl also started to get bullied because her mom
ran a brothel. Wasn't it?
Oh the brothel. Yeah, host club like yeah.
That's right. Yeah.
It was a messed-up. I know she was wildly successful
so I was like, damn but that's not honorable God.
Oh yeah, she said they were selling water bottles.
I was like, what I bet you she was like Like what something
stupid enough, that people will believe, my family made tons of
money off of it, and no one's gonna go fact-checking.
Oh yeah, we make water bottles with so water bottles.
So, and at the end of the day, everyone was just kind of like,
okay, they let these two slide. And that was it like the system
was the same, you know, large of the same.
Yeah, it didn't change. Nobody got bullied in the hot
seat but that's because Kim. Woo, Bin's character like
reformed himself and like that is that?
Yeah, that's yeah. That's the only change was
right. The hot seat was no longer that
seat. Yeah, it was already a seat.
Yeah, they took a power out of it.
Hmm. Well, you know, little changes.
Able changes are to guess the graduates of the next year's
changed it up even more. But hopefully, what did you
think about the whole drama with Rachel and Cubans character
possibly becoming siblings and their parents being engaged?
And then that having like a weird ripple effect on everyone
around them and their relationship and like it was
weird. Think it was weird.
I think I you know, when I first started the show I was almost
thinking that they were going to end up together like a Cruel
Intentions thing. Like they're, yes siblings.
But like they have anything either that or like the the
parents would end up not getting married and they were just like,
you know, being that right dating and right what not.
I don't know why I think because they were both such horrible
people. Yeah, you know I was Thing
they're going. These two are absolute trash
especially in the beginning. Oh yeah.
That they deserved each other 100% like they were just the
worst of the worst but then, you know, like we said, I, you know.
Woo, Bin's character really did develop so much more than any
other character in this show. So by the end, I didn't see them
ever liked being anything else she stayed, but she stayed that
petty angry. Yeah.
Like Listen People lovers have been scorned before you after
you and like you know, at the same time you need to learn when
to take the L and she just refused she how outright refused
after he straight up said to her.
I don't love you. I like this girl.
Yeah he like he didn't pick her up at the airport.
Broncos was there was so many things he didn't do like yeah he
didn't pick her up at the airport because it was too hot.
He didn't feel like it, like, he didn't take her on a date for
their anniversary of their their engagement.
He didn't, you know, he did nothing for her enough, she was
like obsessed with her. She caught feelings hard.
Another thing, you know, add to the like the toxicity of 2013 of
chasing somebody, you know, doesn't want you right treats?
You like dirt but no. No.
No, he one day, we'll love me. He'll love me, and he'll like,
you know, chain and no, it's not going to happen.
Yeah, and he was like, you're the one who's breaking the rules
by catching feelings and we have, we're have an agreement.
It's a marriage of convenience. Why are you catching feelings?
That's against the rules and she was like, I don't care.
I just I want you and that's that.
Like, yeah, yeah. And they're using was our
problem. Rachel was such and then her
logic of. Well, if I end the engagement,
he'll want to be with me. Delusional Watson.
What where do you even put that together?
Like what I just know that's over.
So yeah, like again in 2013 I can it makes sense because yes,
that is what somebody would do. Like I can guarantee you that is
very much any other show you Watch What Happens, very similar
character. Hers and everything like that
with that same mindset of pricing.
If I make them hate me, right? They'll love me.
They'll come to me, they'll come around.
Yeah yeah and it just like it was not that and then I thinking
yeah yeah and then you know, their whole family Dynamic
thing. Both both like I think they're
both woobin and I keep like, I guess I should call him young
do. And yeah.
Rachel come through and reach Agha.
Yeah, they you know their parents were just as shitty as
my God. They were just horrible.
They were real people. They were.
Yeah, they were. I think they were also a
marriage of convenience. They, oh, yeah, absolutely.
They were never in, you know, anything and she lives Yeah, she
loved the other secretary Soul. Chief secretary talked about
this because I think this was a giant missed opportunity in the
show. Is that the mom Rachel's mom had
some sort of history with the chief secretary like they were
each other's First Love or something.
It didn't work out, Crash and Burn and then she became a
cold-hearted money-grubbing bitch up evidently started, her
own business, which find great love that for her entrepreneur,
but then she started getting, she was going to get married to
like an Abusive wildly macho, man, just for business, just he
was, I am more man-whores. Well and then she got offended
that he was a man whore and you're like, I'm like, you, what
do you want? What do you want out of this?
What do you expect? You want loyalty actually?
Yeah, I was very taken aback by her, but the relationship that
she could have had with the chief secretary, oh, could have
been. I told you, yes, they had that
scene where The he like, oh my God, where he just like, kisses
her it, bro, even though I was like, well actually yes, so
she's engaged. They had this really tense
conversation with her fiance and then the chief secretary is
there and the hyung is there, sometimes brothers, or two And
one minute, you know, he's the chief secretary is getting an
earful from the machismo fiance who's being extremely rude.
The chief secretary gets up and talks on the phone, with his
sons. Like yeah, I'm going to be home
late. Don't wait up for me.
It's fine. Then.
Boom, like he turns around and like, plants went on her in this
hallway. I don't know where and it's this
steamy makeout session. In public here in this.
What hotel? I guess.
Yeah. I was so taken aback.
I was completely surprised. My wig was snatched.
That was one of those moments where I was like, I do not
remember this at all. At always very I was like, oh
and I drama. Okay.
Oh okay, okay, okay G13 on this, but okay.
All right. Very missed.
Because they never should probably wash because they,
yeah, they never be. Don't come back tonight.
Just, they just like showed that like I think in a future
episode. Kim Tans mother has the photo.
Yes of them that, which only time it's ever really circled
back. Right?
Right. Because they never like she's
waiting for him to call her and he's like, this isn't a good
idea. I'm not going to give you my
number. If you really want my number,
you'll figure it out and then she does like figure it out and
calls him at like they don't develop anything.
It doesn't become this like Saucy side plot that you want it
to be, especially with that. Like episode 6 like boom makeout
session, no other character gets that not even the main people
get such a like intense scene where it's I'm just like, wow,
why? We'll put that in it like yeah,
yeah, it was, it was. Yeah, I think they expected to
make it more and then ended up just going.
You know what, we got other things to deal with that.
We have to address that this is just gonna know.
We have more like Singing and more shocking.
Crying crying wallowing self-loathing.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Love those parts. Love.
There was, I remember there was one part where I just, I had to
sit there and just go. Why are they crying?
Well, the staring at each other, which part was that?
Yeah, I know, there were so many, it was I want to say he
had Kim Tan had just been like, kicked out of his house.
And he goes to see her at the coffee shop.
I think that he just he imploded the engagement and he said the
truth that his mother was. Yes, oh yes.
Oh yes, I dragged him out of the room and it was like how could
you do that? Blah blah.
And it like you know, obviously he doesn't really understand
that it's dry a giant deal and yeah, I think his dad slaps him
Yeah, probably yeah. And then he goes back to the
coffee shop because he went to the coffee shop before this
whole thing went down. Then he went home, did some shit
and then went back to the coffee shop afterward and he just shows
up. And why is he crying with like
his mouth open? Yeah, I've ever really tearing
at each other and she starts crying too, and then she starts
crying. And I'm like, why are you?
Crying. No words have been said is
happening. I yeah, it.
Is like I just and I think that's how the episode ended and
then like it came back like the next episode and they're still
just crying. They're still there and like
nothing has been explained and you're just like somebody
explain why they're crying to each other.
I I guess you there were a lot of those seasons though but
know. So many of those scenes you're
absolutely right where there's no reason why she should be
sympathy crying. Such a weak character such a
week. Actors for Thomas on.
I just again that parchin 8 got always got those characters.
I like really just could never get behind her acting because I
always even when I hadn't watched the show, I had seen
clips and stuff of it and I went, this is what I saw from
her in boy. No Flower Boy, Next from her in
like, you know, all these other shows that I've washed.
Right, I'm like, right, like know.
Hey, Tupac SHINee but I just don't really Stand how she made
it. You know, I think, I don't know.
I don't know. She's beautiful.
She's very beautiful. Oh, yeah.
And I think, I think you know, that might have been her selling
point, and they said, can you cry?
And then they said yep. Okay.
And there's now he's like, oh yeah, you know, I just, it's
very frustrating to watch most of her dramas like again.
I think she works better maybe in smaller Doses and that's why
I like her movies the movies. Yeah, I agree.
But like first of all, why was the show 20 episodes?
It was such a struggle. It was right?
What's it doing evidence? I could have easily been 16
nowadays, Ali 12:10. Maybe just took a, tighten it up
so much. Yeah, yeah.
But you take out a lot of those plot points that were like
unnecessary like table. What's his name?
The kid in his tutor. Oh my God.
Come from the and his to. Yeah, that is tutor but also
like she was with the wicked brother brother.
Yes. Yes, like, oh my God, oh my God.
Love triangle. And then, I know you had brought
it up but like I say, I did not understand the animosity between
Kim Tan and kill. His first name was Juan young.
Wait, no Kim Wan. It was yeah.
Yeah, they're brothers. And they have similar names.
Yes, I so yeah, I just couldn't understand the animosity.
He had like, so I don't get it either.
Like, oh it, like it was cruel. It was cruel.
It was, it was cruel. And like, I get hit, like, I to
an extent, I understood, you know, he was worried about the
business and like, you know, nothing, whatever shares, but
from everything that they said about Kim Tan, like it didn't
make sense that he would become know this.
CEO or take can wands, right space?
So like why did he even said, I don't want it.
You said it countless times. I don't want it.
It's yours. It's not what I wanted to do and
that he's not dude, I hate you like go to California.
Like I don't want to see you. I don't want it.
Like you are not my brother and it's like, what?
What? And then, like a logic, it was
magical, it was so illogical and then like, you know, Whoever
dropped the bomb about Kim Tan, being the Mistresses son and not
his actual whatever. And then they're like, okay,
that's the perfect time to give him all of the shares so that he
can now actually be the CEO like highest shareholder.
Whatever. What the Mania around, them, it
looking shares. Okay, so let's break this down
really fast because I let I think you're touching on just
like the family dynamics of Team times family, which for some
reason, their dad. We'll call him chairman Dad?
Yeah, wants his sons to fight for control over the company
because that's what he did. Evidently yeah, was wheeling and
dealing, and chopping off heads in his younger days to gain
control over this conglomerate, which fine.
So, he believes that his sons should do the same, and he sort
of bread this animosity into both of them.
However, Kim Won. Older brother was really keen on
just hating the, the younger brother ever since they were
children because he just felt like the dad owed it to him to
negate him to negate, the younger brother, like Keen fan
out of, I don't know what like for what does he owe that to his
older son to not give any affection to the younger son?
I don't know. I'd again It's not really.
Told that well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All you get this weird flashback before the dad has an aneurysm
right where he feels sort of guilty for not giving any
affection toward to keep, then I guess it was, because the first
wife died and that was Kim ones. Mom.
And then, the dad had this really stupid time.
I guess where he thought, oh yeah, I'll get married to this
lady. We won't have any kids.
Then I'll just have a mistress on the side and have a child
with a mistress. And bring her into our home.
I'm absolutely. And have her not be able to
leave said home because we don't want people to find out so she's
basically a prisoner in this home in the Mansion like what
it. So I only just a problem is that
the chairman dad is a robot. Like he's not a human because he
has no feels no compassion. Nothing, not know.
Love nothing toward his sons. Especially Keen time because of
course, Kim Tan is the one, stirring, the pot throughout the
show. And someone ends up, like
softening towards Kim Tan towards the end, and they team
up, and it ends up being like them against the dad.
And then the dead whole, this is, I feel like this is bad
writing because then the Dad instead of them squaring off
against the dad4real right in the final episodes because he's
been such an antagonist or both of them throughout the whole of
the show, they just make the chairman dad have an aneurysm,
they take him off the plane board.
Completely and the boys have to team up to save the dad's spot
as chairman of his own company. So I'm like where is that like
why? Yeah.
Why is this the thing now? Yeah and it truly kind of felt
like a saga of drama to me like especially toward the latter
episodes where you have like the bones of a saga cook.
You have the main couple like they meet under strange
circumstances outside of the palace.
So to speak, then drama drama. Emma drama angst, pain, second
male lead second, female lead, love, triangle, love rectangle,
Ang's pain, breakup reunions and then bam political machinations
that had been on the fringes of the show really amp up and
someone stages a coup. Like, that's what happens
though. Wife stages a coup and I'm like
that is basically a psychic like the recipe for isaku.
Yeah, yeah. And that's what happens in airs,
right? And it's no coincidence that
they're talking about like heirs And the throne and all the court
like shit. Right that?
Yeah. Very reminiscent of they think
they're royalty. They think this is their little
kingdom. And you know, what are they
going to do? This is a power play that's
happening in the background for most of the show and then and
and episodes it becomes like the main thing.
Yeah. So it's annoying.
It's I think it was a cop out. It is a cop-out, absolutely
especially because you want the chairman die.
Dad to get some sort of comeuppance, you want him to get
absolutely or you want him to genuinely sort of feel empathy
or sympathy and realize what he did.
Yeah, what he did, he ruin their life actively ruin their lives.
Exactly when the lives of both of his, the women in his life,
who are for all intents and purposes, like the mistress, mom
is taking care of him. He's like not working and he's
real. Basically retired because of his
health and she's living with him and, you know, caring for him
and being there for him and he's looks down on her.
He thinks she's lesser, he doesn't want anyone to know
that. You know, that came down was
born out of wedlock, that he's the son of a mistress and I'm
like, you did that, like, it's all him and he doesn't, he
doesn't realize that he's the freaking issue.
Yeah, he's the problem. Yes.
And he starts He's blaming the mom at the end of the show, he's
like it's because of your low class blood that like, Kim Tan,
like turned out this way. And this whole thing happened
and like like how can you when he went off?
I do, he said that to her, I was like, if you don't leave him
right now, oh my God. I yeah, I hated it and he was
like and you know like there's always going to be characters
you absolutely hate and I don't want him honestly I didn't I
want him to ever get redeemed right would have loved for them
to get that comeuppance. I would have loved for them to
take him down and say, hey look, you don't need to fight family
to make your life successful family.
Helps you be successful, right? And you can suck it.
Yeah. And like like you said, they
didn't get to do that. No it come.
So close though made me so angry.
They get some clothes angry because the mom Ends up leaving
him, he's home alone. Kim Tan is like, you're not?
I'm not we're not related anymore.
Deuces out. And the old man is left in that
giant mansion by himself. Yeah, the brothers have
reconciled like there now like on pretty good terms and I'm
like okay great like he's gonna live with regret or something
that he pushed everyone away and he was like dead wrong and
everything is entirely. Mentality, the way he lived his
life and instead, he just like heels over.
He's in a coma for like three episodes or something.
Yeah. And they have a rally around the
old man, to, like Stave off the coup.
And I'm like, this is so wrong. Like you had just let first of
all, just let him die. Like I wish you'd just die and
they have to tell you what the Fallout of that versus he's in a
coma and he may or may not, you know, get out, come back.
Yeah, come back out of it. Oh my God.
Good. Yeah, I'm streaming.
Yeah, let me see. Yeah, a lot of my notes are
about Rachel because I just say everyone is so annoying.
Yeah yeah! Oh and then the kid I'm looking
at the thing Yong Yong. Su buy the kit Park.
Hyung sik. Yeah.
How can you say like yeah his character was so stupid but like
the best comedic relief of that entire show like when he camps
out. Oh, yeah, cuz Kim Khan and tall
and song are like in his young and Kim Tan changes the
password, and when they come out, he's just there with his
camera. I was dying.
And then when they had him be
the The DJ at Uncle and he's like getting back together and
party. First of all who ever has a
Getting Back Together party like so extra.
It's and then it gets ruined because Rachel pulled a Rachel
and like it was great. Oh my God, it was hot.
He was probably my favorite character simply because of that
because He was just so literally there just for the comedic
relief of that your show, and I absolutely loved it.
I agree, completely, I think what frustrated me about looking
at my notes in, this is terrible like, you know, you had this
female lead who's tired of living life, right?
She's tired of like hustling and she has this moment in episode 7
were again. Outside of Where she works.
He's bothering her at work and she says, like Kim time keeps
making her uncomfortable, she just wants to be left alone, so
she can graduate and live a better life.
Once used legally, an adult, but she keeps feeling trapped.
So she says this really stupid line.
I don't know how Kamon suck wrote this.
She says, I'm really lost about what I should do right now.
Which I don't like it when, like, women characters are like,
I don't know what to do. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
I think she does were the one who always.
Exactly. Exactly there.
Who said that? Somebody had a great quote about
that. Where I think it was.
Oh my God, Reese Witherspoon. I think it was.
Yeah, it's a tiger. She said yeah.
Like women always want to do Yemen.
Would never ask what on man. Ask said, a woman has the
solution. And it's funny because actually,
now that I think about it, in my, in my book that I just came
out with. Yeah, he goes.
He goes, like, what do we do? And she's like, funny, you
asked, and she pulls out like a whole plan.
Alright, what they can do to to make this salute like to solve
the problem you're telling me, she's been wallowing and hasn't
come up with any solutions. A single plan, a single plan,
Ass. I don't think so.
Then he answers her because she's like, amusing.
I don't really, I'm really lost about what I should do and he
says, this is terrible. Like this is such a red flag.
He says, do you want me to tell you?
Get out of my house tomorrow. Will that be hard?
Do you want to continue going to school?
Then I want you to start liking me and be sincere while you're
at it. I like you.
All right. God, direct ride.
Just this is romance. Yeah this is apparently as like
and they were all like that back.
Then if you think about it they were all like that back then
where the man said you liked me. Yeah.
What nothing like that.
That's not how this works. That's not how this works.
There is such, there's nothing like a confession with the
threat of him, throwing her out of the house if she does.
Right. Right.
Yeah. But then when y'all do, what
y'all do, Or do yeah. When he confesses it's an actual
confession. Yes.
And I'm sitting there going, you're telling me he doesn't get
the girl. What was like?
He straight up like explains to her.
How she's like changed his perspective of.
Yeah. Everything that he thinks and
like, how he's made these changes and he will continue to
make changes to get her to like him because he likes her so
much. Yeah.
And yet, she goes to the guy who says that to her says that.
Yeah, she changes changes young, though so much that he ends up
going to apologize to that guy that he bullied so hard.
That he'd left the school. He sincerely apologize.
Yes, I am. And I mean that's a giant moment
of growth that content. Doesn't that have a moment like
that? Where he's like, nope.
Nope, I just some wrong. He's well, he does actually
because I think he bullied that guy first and then in the school
he was like stopping. He apologized apologized.
He was like, look. Yeah, he does apologize, I had
J. He's like look, I'm sorry, but,
you know, he's already there at the beginning of the show this
starts It's and he's already in that place, right where he's
like. I know I was a bully.
I know I started the system. You know I was wrong and I don't
want this. No one's exactly.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but the first kiss on the oh go ahead
but heating up, but he makes all these dumb decisions and the
only reason the only reason I'll give him that.
He makes said dumb decisions is because he's a teenager I had
like he playing a teenager. Yeah it because like I know what
I was a teenager I Med. I made some very poor decisions.
Meanwhile mine didn't cost my family, millions and billions of
dollars but like very much. I definitely made poor
decisions. So like I had to like you said,
I had to keep, I had to keep reminding myself that they're in
high school when they're going to make these mistakes
decisions. Yes, exactly.
What's a stupid decision? The first kiss up on the
rooftop. Did you, did you open?
She's been through a very stressful scary.
Few minutes eating with young do because he's in the middle of
like bullying, her not bullying her.
He's trying not to bully her, but he's so aggressive and
intimidating, that she's scared shitless and he makes her sit in
the hot seat at lunch. She thinks that he's bullying,
her, he's not, he's trying to woo her go figure.
Yeah, and the boys Clash, Kim Tan screams for her to get up.
Because seems like disrupts the whole lunch that they're having
and she young though trips her like you on purpose.
And you know, she'd breaks up this fight.
That's about to happen by saying like like take me out of here.
So, Kim time. Thanks.
Yeah, rooftop. Yeah.
She's crying on the roof and decides in a frightening, Lee,
lack of sense at all to answer young those call because he
calls her on her cell phone. Yeah.
And she's like, In a frenzy, she's like, well, he knows the
truth. I'm not a parvenu.
Yeah, poor person. And, you know, to stop her from
answering the phone Kim Tan. Just aggressively kisses her on
the rooftop. Yep.
Yeah, that I have to say, I didn't like any of their kisses.
Oh my God, same only hide it. The only one that I was like,
you know what? This is passable and it was the
store. George room case in episode
sixties favorite, really? I think it was like, his hand
grabbed her chin or something. And I was like, so but directly
preceded by him aggressively and desperately telling her not to
do as he says to wait. Every time has to go and he
says, and he confiscates her passport.
Like it's like, oh, God. Yeah, the red flags so maybe the
only the kiss I like it was when he He pecks her like twice.
I can't remember everything that you like, because she's like,
Hawking and he's like, why don't you shut up.
If you don't drop him in the kiss you?
Yeah, and they like pecks or twice.
I think I think that's because she kept talking.
She kept. I thought that one was yeah, I
thought that one was cute because I was like, okay that's
like a little but even so like my guy, my guy did not know a
good Moment at all to, to kiss at all.
No, no. It was always like, forced.
Yes, yeah, yes. Yeah.
Oh gosh, yeah. The reunions party though for
the friends, Getting Back Together.
Rachel not Rachel, you know, I'm talking about the her BFF and
Crystal Crystal scared. I'm looking.
Yeah. Broken up and then they get,
yes, yes. She was the daughter of the
woman. Yeah.
Rachel does a Rachel and it's like this whole trap to get her
to reveal that she's poor Kim Tan shows up.
Flips, the drinks over that she brought from her job and pulls
her out of the party. And she tells him, like I wanted
to tell the truth. I'm not ashamed of being poor.
I'm just really ashamed of the lie that, you know.
You kind of forced me into this life saying I'm part.
I'm a parvenu. Which first of all, yes, he did
force her in like telling this lie and being like, yeah, she's
a parvenu because he spoke on her.
Behalf fine. Second of all a fucking course.
She's a ashamed of being poor. Yeah, because she kept up with
it yet she come up with the lie. No one told her to write that
her mom was a housewife on her intake form at school when she's
really a housekeeper. Like that was like a case in
point right there. Yeah.
She was like, literally a shame. No.
She's like a housewife. Yeah.
And the teacher was like, isn't she a housekeeper?
She's both. Oh yeah.
She's both like, what came time was nowhere near her and she was
still lying about Her mom, she's ashamed.
Yeah, yeah, 100%. So I hated that all of us and
she was like, I'm not ashamed of being but bitch.
Yes, you are just admit it just admit that you're ashamed of it
and I probably would have more respect for you.
Right? For admitting that.
You were she? Yeah, yeah.
So, but now she's taking the bull by the horns, which is
fine. But like ultimately I was just
really frustrated throughout the show that Kim Tan is constantly
taking away her. See and she lets him, you know,
he sways her, he badges her into lying for appearances in the
name of survival. I put air quotes there and he's
always just yanking her around. Pushing your grabbing her
telling her what to do. Sit here.
Get up. Leave, where are you?
And it's super toxic. It's so toxic.
It is. It's insane.
I'm talking. It was and yet like, like you
said, when you watched it and 2013 it probably wasn't Like I
was like all right like you know, but I was just like, all
right like I just took it like it wasn't.
I wasn't question. Yeah.
Yeah like it's exactly know it's hard to explain but while today
we question it today I'm like questioning heart.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
But he finally lets her sort of Take the Wheel here because they
get back to the get back into the party.
She gets replacement drinks and he watches her confess to being
poor stupid. But anyway and then he even
stops her best friend from like Fearing, and this is actually a
good part because he's, they asked him like, oh, was Kim Tan.
Also fooled. Did he also know that she is
poor? Yes stuff.
And he was like, yeah. I was fooled and like, I
paraphrase here, but she says something.
Yeah, she acted all strong, but look, she's trembling and planet
of course. He knew.
Yeah. Pouring.
Like he knew that she was gonna like confess.
Yeah, nothing. Yeah.
Nothing changed. No.
So. But then they have this, like,
really cage Moment, they don't believe this like, oh my God, oh
my God, oh my God, oh, he's slowly like strips off her work
apron, which is like, why is this?
So sensual actually put some a corsage as if it's a fucking
prom and he kisses her on the forehead and I'm like, what is
my question was my question? Those corsages was do.
They think Americans have like, studies get together were Union
parties and we put corsages on and like celebrate people
getting back together. No, sorry.
It's not how that works. Yeah, so watching too many.
They've been watching too many prom.
Oh my God, movies. Oh man.
So let's talk real fast about conquering those character
because okay. Is the kid who like he's older.
I think he's a senior while they're sophomores or something
like that. And he has a very interesting
subplot that I thought like, well, does the, they didn't
like, they didn't build it enough.
I don't know. It was very juicy.
Nope. Because he skipped never mind
the whole, like, he has a crush on his tutor thing and like, it
doesn't work out, it's like, half baked, whatever.
But he skips the csat, and his mom and dad are calmly, but
firmly, Suffocating and overbearing and they're choosing
his future for him and he's just expected to comply.
And on top of all this, they've been talking back and forth and
hushed tones about his suicide attempt, which the mom is like
completely denying or dismissing Waters it.
And, yes, it and it's nauseating to see him at home with his mom,
and how, like, your kind of Reid for his character towards the
end, especially like, right before he enlists.
I'm like, they better not. He better not try to under live
in sin again because yeah, you know, I feel like he was put in
a corner. Yeah use completely trapped and
and I remember in like the first episode you ever like saw him
again. What's he like ran to the kids
bathroom? I think it was yeah.
Young young who's back? A through.
Yeah. And at the was like, yeah.
I'm like, what the heck? Like, what's what's going up
with him? Like, you could, I could like,
clearly tell. And then like, he he talks about
how he doesn't eat. Yeah.
Literally. Just lived on those like ginseng
packets and his pills and then like, you know, he brings up the
fact, he liked was hoarding his father sleeping pills or
something so that and you're sitting there and the moms just
got this like almost Crazy. I'd like you're not gonna I will
make sure you don't make do anything.
Yeah that I don't say you can do.
And I'm like, this kids story is like insane and I almost wished,
they focused more on it. I wish we saw more of his, his
character and absolutely, because I wanted to see.
I wanted to see like his struggle and I wanted to see
him. Absolutely.
I'm past it and like, survive it essentially.
Mmm, and I'm sad, we didn't really get to see it.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Um the other this is just like a funny side note.
They do this like group project which comes to nothing and the
boys end up at the coffee shop where and song works.
And she goes, Woo. Bin says his ideal group project
Partners would be him, Thailand song, Suzy & Hyuna, which art
like you're not alone is like, oh my God, but he ends up start
co-starring with Z and Susan will be fine.
And I'm like, oh my God, what is he just he nailed that.
He knew, he knew teacher. Absolutely, yeah.
The when time becomes the largest shareholder I don't want
to talk about the shares like that much.
But like this is all while he's under house arrest, his dad the
chairman dad is such a royal asshole because he's actually
pleased that Kim Tan. Feels isolated and then he's
lost his entire family and whatever budding relationship
that he had with his brother was squashed with the shares and he
just says like, that's the The weight of the crowd you bear.
Yes. Well God, that's freaking
statement. God if I don't have to hear that
again I know I would love it. I would love to never hear that
again. I know, I think in episode 17
there was just a lot of wallowing because they break up.
She moves to that Seaside Town very Boys Over Flowers of her
and it truly it's like a remake of Boys Over Flowers and time
goes to his brother and says save and song from father and
from Me home school friends and even the future, she dreamed of.
I ruined it all. I did my best to stay with her.
But why is this the only way to protect her?
Why does leaving have to be the solution?
Which I'm like again if you just think through it a little longer
if that's not the only solution. And I love how he says like even
the future she dreamed of what was the future?
She dreamed of. She never know she had no
chance, she had no emotional and she had.
No, anything like I didn't even see her draw a little Doodle.
And say I want to be an artist like there was nothing to that
girl. Nothing.
Like she was literally middle grade.
She was 57 in the class of 100 like if she was like in the
hundred and she was number one eye back.
Okay. She's gonna be not gonna doing
great things. She's 50 s.
Hmm, like she was 52nd in the school and when she filled out
before she switched school, she Filled out like one of those
questionnaires like what are your preference schools and
stuff like that? Yeah, she had no schools listed
and what she wanted, but like what was her dream?
It said like to get a job. Unlike definition of a purse of
a character with literally no goals, no Ambitions, no
personality. Nothing were certain.
She has no Talent. Like sometimes I have like, oh,
I like to do this, like I'm creative in this way, like jazz
nothing. Yeah.
Nothing, not a zip zero, like there.
Ah, So, yeah, he ruined her life, but like, what did she
have going for her? What life did she really have?
Yeah, she probably had a better life in that Beach town.
Then she had being in like the airs world.
Yeah. And then also just said, no
nothing like a crushing. Defeat from a tyrant dad to
bring on some self-loathing because then he starts on like
the self-destructive like nonsense that he did ways,
always always suddenly an aisle. List.
So they fit every like old literally.
Okay, drama Trope, living that you would roll your eyes at into
this 20 episode. I know, absolutely everything.
Yeah. Oh my gosh, let me see the Mom
leaving the chairman Dad, but he, but then, the chairman dad
finds that absurd, like he's like, that's a that's absurd
that you try to leave me that. You think you can leave me any
I'm in Deers it he commandeered, her freedom and like all his
minions start packing her bags. I'm like oh my God.
Yeah ticketless I think I have just a few things left to talk
about if that's okay. So there's a reference to the
movie, The housemaid in one of the earlier episodes.
I don't know if you caught it, I caught that because the mom the
made mom she finds She's doing cleaning the bathroom tub,
squatting with like, oh, yes exposed and it's a reference to
the housemaid like that erotic Thriller.
Which stars Jen DeLeon from Crash Course in Romance?
Like, that's where people know that from now.
Yeah, Andy Jim day from squid game, so that's why my mom
played in. Catch that rope mom walks in, as
like, freaked out that she sees the made Town songs, mom, like,
in that position, she looks. It's kind of like it's unusual
and her legs are out. And she's like, what are you
doing that? Because from that, I had no
idea. Never, oh my God.
Yeah, especially now that I kind of remember that movie better.
I don't know if I hadn't. I don't think I had watched it
at that point. Yeah, I don't think I had
watched it at that point, but now I'm like, oh my God.
Now you get the referee. Yeah, it's an adult actually in
a very adult reference, it's for the not for the kids.
I would say, I have in my notes, they're always doing drastic
things to each other and to end song, just to prove a point,
like, young do pushes her into the pool, just to say that
that's what Kim time will be doing to her.
Yep. He'll pretend to have her and
then just like, let go just Opera.
Yeah, just drop her. And she, I mean, she responds
like I already knew that but like is one of like the most
iconic scenes of that that show because like, that's I think one
of the first things, I think I ever saw that show dropping her
into the water and then Kim Tan coming out and kicking him.
Go my foot slips. Yeah.
The force proximity or skinship
that she knew. Ever gives consent for and she's
visibly freaked out every time. It just gives me the ick now,
you know, Ian, do grabs her and pulls her in for like a side hug
in front of Kim Tan which is like yeah.
They were on opposite sides of the cross street where he
somehow found her like. Yeah.
And he just says I want to see what lengths can sign will go
through for you. What logic, bro, Magic.
Sorry, 2013, logic. I know on a real honor real
Rachel throws away her uniform into the trash.
And she, when she finds her school uniform, she finally,
slaps, Rachel, because Rachel's insults her mom.
And she's like, I can take any insult.
You throw at me, but don't insult my mom, and I'm like, but
you know what, like she needs to act.
We apply that to herself. It was everything else.
Yeah. Every literally because, yeah, I
mean, it took that much. But finally, she slapped her
episode fiscal actually deserve the slack.
She deserve 20 times over honestly.
Chairman the chairman. He, yeah, chairman died.
He wants her to break up with Kim Tan and chooses this
ultimatum in a week. Yes, yes, yes.
I already know. There's always amazing.
He has two tickets on the table. Two plane tickets.
And he says, you know, you can go the first option is, you can
go wherever you want, you break up with Kings done and you can
go wherever you want. Be at the Korean Countryside, or
the UK, or the us or friends wherever, it doesn't matter, or
you get 15 more days with King Don, and you can, like, spend as
much time with him as you. And then I get to choose
wherever your shipped off to and it won't be as nice as the u.s.
the UK or France. And I was like, first of all
like this is not your child. Like how can you tell an
underage kid, where the hell they should go and ship them off
to god-knows-where and it's like what are the parental laws in
this country is? Yes, yeah.
It's someone else's child and he's just like this is how it's
going to go. And I'm like, first of all, fuck
you again, Paul. And thankfully she doesn't
choose anything that he like she doesn't choose any of the
options. They just go to live like
wherever she gets out of the car.
She was like at the airport and then they like did Switcheroo
and she ends up like not leaving the country.
Yeah. Yeah, it's bizarre.
Yeah. Weird.
Yeah, we were talking earlier about Keen tons,
self-destructive kick and he comes home looking like Tyler
Durden like straight-up Fight Club and the chairman dad says
that his Antics aren't cute anymore and I was like pause,
pause pause, pause, pause, you thought that him getting beat up
every night and just completely losing.
His shit was cute initially. You got it with the he's just in
a silly goofy mood, right? Right.
So it's just so and then, sometimes sounds so, whiny, when
he asked begs his brother to send him to America and that
very same, like the next scene or something.
So, it's like not, why does unsung want this guy?
Like I still I pick, I pick woobin.
Like we had like, yeah, he had so many red flags in the
beginning and he was, he's literally the definition of
that, the memes of women, who say, I can fix him.
Yes. But she actually thinks, if she
actually fixed him, she did what we dream of doing, and she
didn't choose him. I can.
So flippin, I just get so angry at that like bag.
That like like you said, he Lee becomes the best character.
He becomes the best character. Oh, oh, you know, there's a
really good moment between him and her mom because he got the
first of all, he's stalking her in a later episode when they're
in the seaside town, but she's not at home.
The mom sees him and she invites him inside, and he cries because
she made him a home-cooked meal and he do like feel a bit for
him. Yea, Yeah, right.
You because he lost his mom, he does.
Like no clue. She knows up and ran away.
Let's talk like this. Okay?
Really fast. And that, we're not going to
spend like 30 minutes on this, but honestly like what the hell
was? His mom thinking?
She not only abandoned her child, but she was in town.
Yes, she was. There she was, she was there.
He was there, she could have easily got.
She knew where they lived. She knew where he went to
school. She knew everything and she did
not reach out. She didn't reach out and no find
him reconcile with him and take him away from that crap.
Head dad, what the reason? She left, the reason she didn't
leave because of him, she left because of the dad, right?
Right. Beeping, why why not take your
son out of that? Why leave him there to
essentially, become a new version?
Yeah, like Dad 2.0, like, why would you allow That as a
mother. Yeah.
And then the final episode, he finally plucked up.
The courage to go see her because she left a business card
with the owner of the snack shop.
Of all things and he drops by. And she's like, I'm so sorry, I
meant to, like, go, see you, you've grown up so big and
strong, and I'm so sorry. And I'm like, what kind of
mother? Yeah.
Does she think she is? Because honestly, wrong choice
after wrong choice for that lady, like, fine, you feel,
Under Pressure, you feel like you got to get out of Dodge or
whatever. But she didn't go nowhere.
Yeah, yeah, she stayed. She A date.
Yeah. That we're both like out of
breath. Like, I know, because I do like
this line from time in, this is an episode 19 I right after,
like they have the birthday press conference for Keith on it
and he takes ki-moon song as his date is hot date and she's
wearing red and all this stuff. He says to his dad, I want her a
lot more than the life. Or offering me.
And I was like, I okay. Yeah.
That's a good one.
That is definitely a good quote. Yeah, absolutely.
So, the last thing I want to talk about is the, the older
brother the hyung, and his sudden engagement to this woman.
Who's, like, it's all gehen another marriage of convenience
and his teacher on and off again, girl, like, finds out via
the media, she reads an online article and finds out.
He's in Aged after he had told her time and time again.
Like just wait for me, I'm going to come back for you.
We're going to do this and she ends up, like, seeing him for
the last time uses the giant Wishbone to wish for a breakup
from him, which I thought that was like, a given.
But all right. Yeah, yeah.
If your man's goes on a business trip and comes back and gives
you a giant Wishbone and is like, you get to make a wish,
Fish, like they do this in the states, whoever gets the bigger,
half of the bone gets to like get a wish or whatever granted.
What would you do like, gives giant Wishbone?
I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did not understand.
That whole thing at all, like, again, like they had all these
random relationships that they didn't like build or anything
like that, like they had them kind of start off.
And then you saw that he like, ran to her house, you saw like
all of this stuff and they're all decided they just like
fizzled. And we're Right here.
See anything at all of a sudden. It's the, she's the teacher and
he bumps into her there. And then She and then again,
just Fizzles, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
And all of a sudden he's engaged like, you didn't have a
relationship. You are not dating.
You are nothing. Like you were nothing in that
entire thing. It didn't make any sense.
He's getting sensitive. No, no, I would have rather her
got with the kid. I would have rather had gotten
with him, dude. It because he actually cared and
liked her for who she was. He didn't care where she came
from anything. He just liked her.
He had this really spicy moment with her where he hosts the
ramen or Ramen I thought that was like so stupidly cute but
also like sir. Yes sir sir he goes and sniffs
our breath because he had seen her eating the ramen Ramen.
Yeah. He pushed back their study our
like 20 minutes or something's like I'm running.
Like these are scarfing down the ramen.
Yeah, everybody shop and And like it's very thoughtful of
him. But at the same time, he's just
like, put on the Moose, I'm going to come.
He's like, would you eat ramen and then her face?
Oh my God. The moment that moment.
Yeah. Okay.
Thoughts on the ending. Any thoughts on the final
ending? It ended like it.
Yeah, it just like didn't literally it just ended.
It didn't have this like, great big enjoy enjoying.
Like, yeah, it just ended this. It was kind of like.
Okay, that's cool, that's cool. You wrapped up what you need is
to wrap up and you left all the other things that you completely
forgot a few episodes back. So it was I I think it's really
messy. I think it's for some reason,
the shot of them just like walking in the snow together.
We're stuck with me like that. Visual of them holding hands and
walking together. I was like, okay, that's cool
but it's very unclear. Like, has time passed.
Yeah. Just like just after graduation
is. This 10 years down the line?
Like, he was imagining. Yeah.
Earlier. Like what is aren't they?
What is it? Mary like this the thing it's so
unclear. Yeah yeah which I do not enjoy
ambiguous ending. I did not like no closure.
Yeah. No not ever.
Yeah, just ended. Yeah.
Just end like we're just going to endure.
We're going to keep on going and we're just going to keep loving
each other and that's it. Yeah.
Like that was the voice. Hope for the best.
Yeah, let's hope it all works out for us.
So what? All right.
Well, I think I have come to the end of my notes Here For The
Heirs. He had a lot to say, I had a lot
of qualms with it and ultimately I think we kind of felt very
similarly about The Heirs and I hope this was a good experience
for you talking. I had so much fun.
Yeah, so much fun. I'd love to be on another one.
So oh great. Maybe I won't have you watch a
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