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I'm Jessica and this is a TC 
presents, debbik. 

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A Rambles. 
Were a couple friends review, 

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Korean dramas, and today on a 
very emotional kind of crazy 

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episode. 
I'm acting. 

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It will be crazy. 
I have repeat guests Mina from 

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the Kpop bookshelf, podcast me 
know, girl, how are you good? 

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How are you Jesse survived? 
I survived. 

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I guess we should tell everybody
that there was a hurricane this 

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week in Florida and hurricane 
Ian and thankfully, my family 

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and I are doing great. 
But Mina was basically in the 

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know because we had this podcast
episode scheduled right smack in

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the middle of the Ring. 
And we had to postpone, it was 

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crazy. 
Mina, thank you so much for 

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working with me on today's 
schedule. 

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This hurricane, no, no, I 
scheduled the hurricane and then

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I realized later that I had the 
podcast. 

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And so, anyway, long story 
short, we're here, finally 

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everyone's good Nina. 
Thank you so much again, you've 

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been really gracious and making 
yourself available to do this 

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podcast at all, different kind 
of times. 

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And we're here, we're finally, 
we're ready to talk about mr. 

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Sunshine. 
Yeah. 

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Okay, I'm going to go ahead and 

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read all of the, my drama listen
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And like, who's behind the 
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Alright Mina. 
This is going to be a long one 

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because this is kind of a big 
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Yeah, but feel free to jump in 
with whatever you've seen the 

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cast in before, or You know, the
directors have done some big 

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things too, so we'll talk about 
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All right, my drama. 
Listen abscess mr. 

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Sunshine centers on a young boy,
born into a house, servants 

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family. 
Who travels to the United States

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during the 1871. 
She and me Yung Yola. 

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Aka the u.s. expedition to 
Korea. 

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He returns to his homeland later
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He meets and falls in love with 
an Aristocrats daughter at the 

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same time. 
He discovers a plot by Foreign 

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forces to colonize Korea. 
For some reason, this gives away

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Nothing at all. 
Like it tells like the broad. 

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Yeah. 
But damn like yeah, doesn't 

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doesn't give anything away mr. 
Sunshine oh no, originally aired

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from July to September 2018. 
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long and some episodes are 
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It has been directed by two 
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He's directed ji-sun most 
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dokkaebi. 
In the gray. 

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And lonely God, which we covered
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He's directed to her descendants
of the sun which we also covered

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on the podcast. 
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High Dream High is like a 
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definitely in the same vein as 
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sweet home, guardian Greenlee. 
Godson is about that. 

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Dream, high like way down from 
like 2011. 

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Like that doesn't fit but okay. 
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And then it's also directed 
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Owen and he's directed 25:21. 
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directed, you are my spring, the
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search www. 
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that we've reviewed for the 
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mr. 
Sunshine was written by the 

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effervescent Kim min-seok. 
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screenwriter circles for kdramas
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of turn them on our Guardian, 
the great and lowly God, 

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descendants of the Sun, the 
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Secret Garden and of course. 
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Sunshine, which were talking 
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Tons of all time kdramas have 
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So we're getting to our caste. 
Let's see if you've seen any of 

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these cast members before and 
let me know. 

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Okay, So EB on gun stars as 
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And he's done about 36 movies. 
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he's been in movies. 
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Terminator Genisys from 2015, he
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I kid you not, I kid you not. 
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from 2015, which I vividly? 
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thinking, this is such an 
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Oh my God, I Believe this, they 
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talking about memories of the 
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it's such a shit movie. 
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was a blow because I thought it 
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the acting from Kim gone, 
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isn't it? 
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like, people just fawning over 
Egypt. 

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members who started out. 
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Anyway, so he's in that, he's 
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L've and that's the inspiration 
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The Crown clown, which will be 
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If this is going to be released 
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That's the next row that we 
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And of course he begun won best 
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awards for his role in 
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movies. 
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g.i., Joe movies hero from 07 
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Big movies. 
Iris Joy security. 

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Oh is a huge. 
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He's got about twenty six 
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most recently. 
Our Blues. 

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He did squid game as he was a 
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also covered on the podcast. 
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your podcast feed, you can hear 
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I first saw a begun in Iris. 
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Vaguely or like I heard about, I
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Okay, this I'm busy reading. 
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Ya know, for those who don't 
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era episode, where Mina first 
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audience, she runs a bookshelf 
party, like, it's all about Kpop

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books and K, media through 
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So, she's reading all the time, 
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assume, you're sometimes 
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iris is was so huge. 
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know, like that era in kdrama 
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kdrama or even a Jai drama. 
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a movie on it. 
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It was amazing. 
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area so that's like on my list. 
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I see here. 
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too. 
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have, I don't remember. 
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I came Teddy. 
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Go fishing and she's been in 
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pause for a second because I 
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wanted you to call this episode.
I hope that's not a spoiler, 

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just cut it. 
If it is three men and a little 

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icky, she maybe she know that's 
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Hello, like you? 
She that's valid like, that's 

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valid. 
No, no no, whoa, talk action and

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we will talk about the name of 
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Sunshine, at some point in this 
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That's a valid point. 
I know I'm relieving it. 

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Okay, so she's been in six 
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which I did a patreon review for
space Troopers, little little 

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Forest the handmaiden, which is 
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She won best new actress at the 
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2016, big deal, of course, 
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from 2022 and she won best 
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at the effects on Arts Awards. 
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that because it's a big deal and
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We're going to go really fast. 
Watch the hand. 

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Maiden. 
No. 

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So look, I've said this a couple
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I'm scared of watching the am 
made it. 

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Why it's? 
So this is a genre it I just say

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Jean, you so naked. 
Yes. 

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Ari. 
I don't know, she's super naked.

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It's a psychosexual lesbian 
Thriller, and it's a period. 

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Right. 
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And that that combination, that 
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I like, I avoid it because it 
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cannot deal with it. 
She's so good at and I don't 

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like not saying you should watch
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If you are not scared of it yeah
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excellent people. 
Don't amazing. 

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Remember she's in there. 
Completely naked. 

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It's a psychosexual lesbian 
Thriller. 

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Yeah, yeah it's serious. 
And you know parktronic directed

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old boy? 
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So like seven, you do you watch 
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You can watch this and you can 
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I'm saying? 
I see what you're saying and it 

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is spooky. 
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around spooky season October. 
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bring myself to watch the 
handmade and because it's not, 

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like, I don't want to watch it, 
I'm just afraid to watch it. 

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Like, I think it's one of those 
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and just feel changed field 
inside versus being psycho 

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thriller like it's not like, 
jump-scares know. 

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I know, I know logically. 
I said psycho station and I'm 

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telling you I got a handle on it
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Scared to go in that room. 
Okay, so we're bringing up the 

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rear. 
You yong-seok plays good on me 

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and he has been in a few movies 
like Royal Tailor. 

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Beauty inside. 
Yei monster boy, werewolf boy. 

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He's a villain in a werewolf. 
Boy, when my favorite K movies 

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of all time architecture 101, 
which is a big thing when it 

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came out to, and then, of 
course, he was most recently in 

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Narco Saints from Netflix, this 
is going into his TV work and I 

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think everyone knows him from 
either reply. 294 or Hospital 

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playlist, 1 and 2 which we've 
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being and listen to that, lastly
we have Kim min-jung as he no 

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go. 
Do you might have seen her most 

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recently in the devil judge from
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as Kim we song and he you might 
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saying incomplete, life from 24.
She watched me saying, no, I did

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it, I did. 
And I thought he was, he's kind 

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of similar to the care. 
Has your but I really love him, 

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okay? 
I really love him even though 

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he's like I'm noxious you know 
okay but like all right we're on

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the other side of this maybe 
that's just my type. 

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Never mind. 
Oh my God Amina. 

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Oh man this post-hurricane man. 
I am in a mood. 

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All right. 
Mina what did you think of mr. 

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Sunshine. 
I thought honestly so it was 

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definitely quite long at times 
dragging it times. 

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And I'm trying to give too many 
spoilers There's but, you know, 

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it is about like, pre-colonial, 
Korea, preach about Japanese 

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colonization of Korea. 
But Japan's, like, kind of 

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already there. 
And I found it very strange. 

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How there is, like, of course, 
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if you saw the other works, that
the writers have done the 

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directors of done, you know, 
there's gonna be a romance with 

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their, like Revolution and then 
they're like romance, another, 

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like Revolution and that like 
romance. 

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And I'm like, what is happening?
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seamless or like, it didn't make
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revolutionary, like, guerrilla 
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then I'd be like, we're in love.
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it's visually stunning. 
There's these people are acting 

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their pants off and there's so 
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were discussing before I started
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topics about Korean Society, the
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So it's worth watching, but 
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of flaws. 
I think. 

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What did you think? 
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Okay, so I will first tell you 
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Sunshine for years because this 
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remember it popping up. 
I vividly remember, it popping 

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up on Netflix and going. 
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and it's like it looks turn of 
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time period. 
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promo shots were framing them, a
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like, oh, is this supposed to be
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I saw. 
Was age Gap. 

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I saw pure age Gap and I was 
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age Gap and I have said, this 
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like Chasm age, gaps, in my 
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kdramas, so I avoided it. 
I was like, I wasn't like 

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getting the vibe of it and then 
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So I avoid it like the plague to
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Gun was 48 years old when he 
started. 

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No, yes up for real born in 
1970, that 100%, 48 years old 

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King, Teddy was 28 years old. 
That is a 20 year age Gap. 

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So I was reading the tea leaves 
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low for me, but I was like, at 
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19 or, you know, how they 
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Like, yeah, it's the big age 
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this one of the directors, of 
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romance with the goblin that was
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400 years in the context of the 
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And then I think it was another,
like not 20. 

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I think it was either 20 or a 
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between game going and kong-kong
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Anyway, that's a whole nother 
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But anyway, they love it 
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Goblin was 2016. 
Mr. Sunshine is 2018. 

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So two years later they probably
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about the writer but I feel like
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describing to like some Purity 
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youthful untouched like 
sheltered ladies and then these 

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like kind of manly Then right? 
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the time, you're like 48 for 
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are bringing up some valid 
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So just to get my thoughts out 
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show was really difficult to get
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For me, I was not hooked right 
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I didn't find this was binge 
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I've sometimes thought that the 
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really a hindrance for me. 
Which I've said, so many times 

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on the podcast, I am a strict 
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Yeah. 
So when I started the show was 

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very hesitant to like it. 
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time period very quickly. 
Episode 1 was very assaulting on

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the senses and very difficult to
understand like who is who 

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because they introduced like 50 
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So many, so many people and the 
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political conflict and the 
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Korea at the time. 
And I felt that that was a lot 

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to take in as I can. 
And I have seen likes a goose. 

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Seeing a ton of kdramas and I'm 
still like, who the hell am I 

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looking at here? 
Like, oh, how are these people 

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related? 
I was getting very confused. 

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So I had to write down 
everything and now I deleted 

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because I know what's going on. 
But for me from the first 

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episode and me to the last 
episode night and day 

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difference, I thought the show 
was a masterpiece. 

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I love this show was well worth 
at least one watch from kdrama 

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Watchers. 
I didn't really consider it a 

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kdrama at the end of the day. 
I felt like this was pressed. 

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Uh television that I was 
watching this could have easily 

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been shown on like Apple TV like
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or it could have been shown on 
like HBO or something lives like

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a special you know, show it was 
absolutely riveting towards the 

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end, the endgame episodes which 
lasted not one or two episodes. 

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It was something like six 
episodes that felt like the 

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third Act of the show was end 
game and those were amazing. 

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Best part of the show. 
I agree with. 

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So a lot of stuff happening. 
Not a payoff, a lot of payoff. 

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Exactly. 
That was the word that I had in 

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my head to a lot of it was pay 
off and I really appreciate that

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in the writing. 
I thought the writing knew that 

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they were planting Easter eggs, 
knew that they were planting 

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check-offs guns left and right 
lines and scenes and 

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cinematography. 
And I could now graffiti that 

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was repeated at the end of the 
show that felt like closure felt

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like, oh my God, this was what I
was waiting for. 

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This was why I wanted to watch 
the show, I think a lot of the 

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political stuff was still very 
dense and yeah, you know, we can

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try and get into it and parse 
some of it out, especially some 

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of the nuances of the culture 
back then which you did some 

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research on. 
I'm really excited to get into 

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it but honestly it is a 
Shakespearean tragedy. 

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So a lot of people I think in 
the cage, right? 

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Okay. 
Trauma Community will not watch 

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a kdrama if Has a sad ending. 
I'm sorry to say right out the 

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gate mr. 
Sunshine has only violence only.

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Bloodshed only said things for 
you. 

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And in fact they warn you early 
on in the show. 

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There is no hope that these 
characters are going to make it 

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to the end unscathed. 
Happy alive, all these things, 

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they're constantly like they 
finally credit history and that 

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was already staler from the job.
That is the other thing is that 

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history is not on their side. 
And if you do anything remotely 

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about, what happens to Korea and
the amount of times that they 

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were invaded and you know, what 
happens in Pachinko Pachinko is 

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a great kind of teaser for what 
it leads up to the events and 

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Pachinko. 
I guess I should say and how it 

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informs identity going forward 
and further Generations down the

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line and just tensions between 
Korea and Japan, Korea and 

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China, Korea and the u.s. all 
these Things. 

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Really? 
I don't want to say it was well 

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done, but I guess it was at 
least interesting to watch 

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especially in the latter 
episodes. 

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Yeah, I have a thought, but 
maybe I'll save it for after 

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spoilers. 
Oh yeah, okay. 

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All right, after spiky, said 
cinematography 110% amazing so 

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much budget, went into this, so 
many humbly, tails, the 

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costumes, the street, Only the 
make up the scenery giant stuff.

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He says structure architectural 
structures. 

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Yeah the trolley many, the 
trolley, so many extras, just in

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a scene when I say extras, I 
mean like literal people in a 

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scene, it's explosives. 
Fire pyro stunts, gunfire 

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warship, slow motion action, 
which requires another like set 

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of cinematography skills, Flags 
waving around a lot of stuff, 

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burning to the ground during 
water. 

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Filming. 
Yes. 

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Underwater filming. 
So much money went into this and

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you feel it. 
It's just dripping with 

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Hollywood type budget. 
Yeah, that's why I agreed to do.

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You say it's like Prestige 
watching us. 

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I just like, like you and the 
beginning. 

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I was like struggling to get 
into it and to like feel invest 

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in them for like a while and I 
don't think for me it was the 

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age Gap is just like because 
there are so doomed from the 

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jump like I care. 
Is this end of just Doom over 

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the whole show over every 
Character. 

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You just I mean I don't know how
someone can go through this and 

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be like, I'm waiting for that 
episode 15. 

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Like they wrap everything else 
and then 16 we get a wedding. 

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Get this look XYZ? 
No, no, let's say they had a 

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beach scene. 
What else do you want from them?

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Yes, exactly. 
They went to the beach. 

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Damn it. 
We had a pig EIEIO. 

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Yeah, which wasn't easy. 
And like the 1800's they 

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literally. 
How are you getting to the beach

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from Seoul? 
Is back for days. 

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I think they said it's like, 
we're not gonna We're not gonna 

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talk about how you spend days 
writing to them. 

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And multiple couples went to the
beach and one couple to not have

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a horse. 
No one couple is just okay, 

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we'll talk about it. 
That just piggyback all the way.

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Oh yeah, they're just gonna hoof
it anyway. 

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Yeah, a great sense if I could 
knock Rafi and the age Gap was a

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was a kind of a deal breaker, 
but I will say that towards the 

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end. 
I I was invested in them for 

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sure. 
We're talking about e begun and 

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confettis characters, they 
obviously have I don't want to 

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say a star-crossed lovers 
relationship but I guess it was 

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the star-crossed lovers 
relationship. 

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Yeah, it was just like 
everything was under duress in 

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the gut in the gods. 
Just straight is a sucker punch 

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throughout the whole show. 
Did you buy them as a couple? 

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Actually, I don't know. 
I kept thinking that. 

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I was like, wait why do they 
like each other? 

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Like, I almost didn't get it but
then I but then it did like 

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something about it. 
Did make sense along the way it 

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was a bit of a slow burn for me,
Lisa where I didn't understand 

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initially why, either them care 
about the other one. 

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But then I was like, okay like 
they like I do think that some 

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chemistry or something that 
seemed magnetic amongst them and

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maybe it's just their Stellar 
acting that there's just such 

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good actors but they did have 
definitely I mean she's so good 

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in everything, you know. 
Yeah. 

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So So, I agree with you. 
I think there's something that 

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wasn't written there on the page
that they somehow made work on 

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screen. 
And that is a, well said, that's

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all I can account for extremely 
accurate. 

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Is because there was like 
apples. 

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I know what's not anything? 
They're like they had certain 

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crazy high intensity moments 
between them. 

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But as far as like, why do you 
like each other? 

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I don't know. 
Yeah. 

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You know, right? 
They just kind of gravitate 

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towards each other like two 
sides of a magnet and that's all

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there is to. 
It was very believable. 

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Mmm. 
Yeah. 

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What did you think of their 
secondary leads? 

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And she has a couple, I know a 
couple. 

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She just. 
Yeah. 

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Well because if you think about 
like the character of Hina. 

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Yeah, you know, and I feel like 
she also it was like something 

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like, obviously, like, she's 
like, Like, not romantic, but 

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like a sidekick or something. 
Like, she's I encounter with the

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like, you know, the samurai, the
like the I can I say that's like

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we can say you can say yeah he's
okay. 

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He song and then Eugene and that
you have the three of the three 

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men. 
The little achy, she talking 

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about and then you have Hina who
and then you also have her very 

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faithful enslaved. 
People Just lightly 

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romanticized, I feel like, but 
yeah. 

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But yeah, they're her servants. 
And all of that was like her 

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orbit of people like the Gunner 
and all that. 

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But there was a her orbit and 
she had so many good folks 

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around her and she was the pull 
and the draw of all these people

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in a way, maybe less. 
So for Hina. 

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But somewhat. 
And and it was very like I said 

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believable, like it just seemed 
like you could sense, why 

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there's so much like loyalty 
towards her wiser so much 

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interest in her. 
Why is everyone like rally 

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around her all the time? 
At what? 

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Because sometimes you want your 
drama with some things? 

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That supposed to be happening 
and you're just like, why did 

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why can't you not like ditch 
that person or like, why are you

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still hung up on that person? 
But for confettis acting, or 

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portrayal of it was so just 
overall, you know, Magna? 

445
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,900
Yeah, yeah. 
She was a great Rally Point for 

446
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:49,300
everybody. 
And you kind of unin neatly 

447
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:53,300
understood why everyone was 
trying to save her and make her 

448
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:56,600
survive and like have her and 
door and all this stuff while 

449
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,600
everyone else was kind of like 
it just is not the not the word.

450
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,300
Expendable I guess I should say 
hmmm not disposable Expendable. 

451
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:13,000
Um, yeah, I see Jimmy Lord. 
So a lot of stuff happening it 

452
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,300
with the themes and the topics 
that we want to cover and we can

453
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,900
introduce some of them. 
Now, I did want to touch really 

454
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,100
fast because you mentioned, he 
now, that character there are 

455
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:27,700
really strong female characters 
in this show and I admire that 

456
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,400
about it. 
I love how they're kicking ass 

457
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,500
and taking names. 
I love how they're integral 

458
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:35,900
part. 
Of the plot and how they are not

459
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:40,000
passive at all. 
They're not passive Observer 

460
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,100
said the actress who played Hina
didn't get any kind of award for

461
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,000
this as far as I know, ideas for
this role. 

462
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,300
And she was, oh my God, she was 
amazing. 

463
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,700
Yeah, what happened? 
What happened? 

464
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,000
To Kim Min Jong? 
I don't know. 

465
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:54,400
I don't know why she's not a 
better than either because I was

466
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,700
looking at the stuff that she 
had done it. 

467
00:25:55,708 --> 00:25:57,900
I was like, where did home girl 
go? 

468
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,700
Come on, not that much there 
too, right? 

469
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:01,700
Yeah. 
No, mmm. 

470
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,700
I'm confused about that, too. 
She was perfect fabulous. 

471
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:08,100
The Wardrobe days, put on her 
the turn of the century gowns, 

472
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,700
Stunning. 
She was serving in those 

473
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,900
outfits. 
Oh my God, amazing. 

474
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,300
She looks so good. 
And it was interesting because 

475
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:18,900
she was wearing kimono because 
she was like, a Japanese 

476
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:21,900
national she was wearing, like, 
maybe not handbook, exactly. 

477
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,100
But kind or sometimes maybe she 
was, she was wearing western 

478
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:28,000
clothes of the times, like late 
1800's, early 1900's, I was like

479
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:30,600
1910s. 
Like bustling behind, you know, 

480
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,300
behind her and stuff like that. 
And like kind of waistcoats or 

481
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,800
what do they call those little 
coats and she just looked so 

482
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,400
good, little fascinator, hats. 
And I don't No, sometimes people

483
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,900
who are not from a culture or a 
timeframe wearing, those things,

484
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:44,800
look a little awkward. 
They look a little cosplay, 

485
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,800
through no fault of their own, 
but she was awaring, Anna. 

486
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800
No, it's okay. 
We're not wearing her. 

487
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,400
She was wearing the glove, 
right? 

488
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,300
Yeah, right. 
It looks so good. 

489
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:57,100
And then her acting, of course, 
and then her athleticism. 

490
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:01,000
And yeah, her little looks a 
little, like little glances, 

491
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,900
just her little nose scrunch. 
Yeah, give that a 10 scrunch. 

492
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,400
I'm so glad you mentioned that. 
I don't have that in my notes, 

493
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,900
that was amazing. 
She really brought something to 

494
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:14,400
the show that was necessarily 
missing. 

495
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,200
I think that you needed another 
rallying point besides confettis

496
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600
character. 
And she is so charismatic and 

497
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,800
kind of easy to root for in 
certain moments. 

498
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,800
She a lot of the characters are 
not 100% good, A lot of the 

499
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,100
characters have Shades of Grey 
are not good, not bad. 

500
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,400
Just kind of going with the flow
changing allegiances throughout 

501
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,900
the show. 
And not necessarily an emphasis 

502
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:46,600
on someone who's straight evil 
for evil cyclic, people have 

503
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,700
reasons for doing things, even 
the traders in the show have 

504
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,800
reasons for doing what they're 
doing. 

505
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,400
So, the Back stories were so 
rich. 

506
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,500
So rich for some, for the major 
characters, right? 

507
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,500
And some of them, we never some 
people might have Baxter's. 

508
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,400
Like I was like, what's the 
translators deal? 

509
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,300
Like Eugene's low? 
Personal translator guy like 

510
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,100
what's his story or like, you 
know, like some of the people I 

511
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:10,600
wanted more information. 
An honor like the woman who like

512
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,700
takes the ferry over to their 
side and to the other Mountain. 

513
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,700
Yeah. 
Yeah, you know she's an Archer 

514
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,300
like what was her dealer like 
there's so many more characters 

515
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:21,000
that they were so interesting. 
I don't know what other word to 

516
00:28:21,008 --> 00:28:23,200
use for interesting, but in make
compelling, it was like what 

517
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,000
else is going on there? 
Because and the fact that you 

518
00:28:25,008 --> 00:28:27,900
did know some people's Back 
stories to a great amount of 

519
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,500
detail. 
It was really like, oh my God 

520
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,500
there's so much more like layers
upon layers upon layers. 

521
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:35,200
Yeah it's like an onion. 
This shows like an onion truly 

522
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:40,600
and so I did want to Got, oh my 
God, I'm gonna eat inside. 

523
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,200
I wanted to give attention to 
the female empowerment kind of 

524
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,600
side of it and I think we need 
to segue into just identity and 

525
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:54,100
Korean - as another theme 
throughout the show because 

526
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,300
there are so many characters who
are grappling with being Korean 

527
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,100
American or Korean Japanese or 
Japanese Korean. 

528
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:07,300
Like, whatever the case is, they
are not just one thing and they 

529
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:11,300
have so much Trauma in their 
backstory that they feel like 

530
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:17,400
they need to abandon their home 
country, home culture, and 

531
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,600
adopt. 
Another way of life or risk, 

532
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,500
just dying like in Korea, right?
The self-preservation the 

533
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:29,500
survival ship that the reasons 
behind some of their stuff was. 

534
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:33,800
So again, compelling. 
And also it was definitely 

535
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200
struck a nerve. 
I think of like I don't know. 

536
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,000
Like how do you survive all this
stuff? 

537
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,100
Especially if for Hyun. 
I think she was a woman on top 

538
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:42,000
of all of it, right? 
Like she also has all these 

539
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,300
identity issues and, you know, 
yeah, trauma and everything 

540
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,300
going around. 
Yeah, going on with her, I 

541
00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:50,700
should say. 
Yeah, we can definitely talk 

542
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,900
about their individual traumas 
later in the spoiler section, 

543
00:29:54,900 --> 00:30:02,900
but I feel like the patriotism 
in the show was kind of like, if

544
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:07,500
it was a graph, it was like kind
of low at the beginning and kind

545
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,500
of low is saying Something 
because the show is all about 

546
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,200
patriotism in a way. 
And then towards the later 

547
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,100
episodes, it just skyrockets. 
It's just an exponential growth 

548
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,900
towards the end and you feel, I 
mean, by the end, I was like, 

549
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:26,100
man, fuck Japan, like not going 
to lie, I'm not gonna lie. 

550
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:31,100
I was like, okay, but they 
dichotomy totally okay. 

551
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:33,900
So well not okay, this economy. 
I mean like they let me to Japan

552
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,500
again. 
I want to, I want to visit Japan

553
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:37,800
again. 
Please don't know. 

554
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800
But To say that about this with 
the dichotomy between this 

555
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,200
intense amount of patriotism. 
Nationalism, the whole show 

556
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,200
overall is very nationalistic 
towards Korea which obviously 

557
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200
makes sense. 
And yeah, there's this sense of 

558
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,700
like these unjust Japanese 
powers or sometimes American 

559
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,600
powers or sometimes like whoever
Russia and Chinese and everybody

560
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,700
was all up in Korea's Grill, I 
guess. 

561
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:01,000
But what was interesting was 
like this dichotomy of this 

562
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,100
patriotism nationalism and the 
fact that some people don't have

563
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,700
that, right? 
Like someone's country could 

564
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,100
quote-unquote betray them. 
And you kind of belong, you 

565
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:11,700
belong, and you don't belong to 
the same time. 

566
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,100
That was like, I think a running
theme for multiple characters. 

567
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:18,000
Of course, the main one being 
Eugene, but multiple characters 

568
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,700
where it's like you belong, you 
don't belong and then going back

569
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:23,200
to the survivorship and trying 
to assimilate sort of, was like 

570
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:27,100
the fact that so many characters
are trilingual builing you all, 

571
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:31,000
you know, again like with you 
know, wearing all she she can 

572
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,700
fit into anything like a glove. 
Like, as far as like identity 

573
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:35,600
and I even talked about the 
clothes in this point, but when 

574
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,000
she's a, you know, she's 
speaking French, she's speaking.

575
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaking Japanese just speaking 
Korean. 

576
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Like, like she just had it going
on like, in all different ways 

577
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,900
because she had to. 
And it was a very interesting 

578
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,300
because even though so 
nationalistic and patriotic and 

579
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,000
all the stuff in real, he's 
trying to stir up feelings for 

580
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,400
like, you know, Korea is a 
liberated country. 

581
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,100
It also have these moments where
it's like actually some people 

582
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,700
are not that like thrill about 
Korea, you know, some people 

583
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,700
like, you know, Korea sucks. 
So yeah because of this stuff 

584
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,400
that they were going through and
what what Justice or Injustice 

585
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,000
is they experienced, right? 
It's interesting. 

586
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:12,300
To see Korea portrayed in such a
positive light as far as like 

587
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:14,400
nationalistic pride of Sauron 
throughout the show. 

588
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,200
But then you also see the 
absolute chaos behind the scenes

589
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,000
of what like people are actively
selling the country out and 

590
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,500
people who should be on the 
countryside are on the 

591
00:32:26,508 --> 00:32:28,400
country's. 
Payroll are selling the country 

592
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400
out. 
People who are trampled on and 

593
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:38,000
lowborn are low in society, are 
the ones who are rising up. 

594
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:44,400
And rebelling against Korea. 
So it's like a recreation pan of

595
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,900
their own making, you know, 
Yeah, they've sown that see lead

596
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,800
rebelling against Korea, are 
rebelling against Japan, or 

597
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,500
Bonneau rebelling against Korea 
because I totally mean to say 

598
00:32:55,500 --> 00:33:01,200
like some characters again, like
trauma have been just treated. 

599
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,100
So poorly by those in higher 
power in Korea that when they 

600
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,800
gain some semblance of power 
throughout the show, they come 

601
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,700
back with a vengeance. 
It's like karma for Korea as a 

602
00:33:13,708 --> 00:33:16,100
whole to height. 
No, you're right. 

603
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,800
Your own citizens. 
Try and break it apart. 

604
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,900
You know, which is very intense,
like, some characters. 

605
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:26,600
Like what Korea screwed anyway. 
So like, what's might as well be

606
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,300
me the product data to it? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

607
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,300
I think that, wow, we could talk
a lot about identity. 

608
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,200
Korean is patriotism and all 
that too. 

609
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,200
But I think we touched on one of
the last themes, which is 

610
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,500
classism and the slave economy 
and the discrimination and 

611
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:48,700
prejudice against low boards 
throughout the show, and how 

612
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,000
that affects the characters. 
And how they have to work 

613
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,900
through that throughout the 
show. 

614
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:56,900
Right. 
They have to live within that 

615
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,500
like Realm. 
Yeah, the hierarchy. 

616
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:02,700
Yeah, a lot of characters come 
back to Korea with a lot of 

617
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,300
prestige, or a lot of power, 
especially Eugene. 

618
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,000
And once they start talking 
about their history, where they 

619
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,300
came from, what their family is 
there, look down upon Eugene is 

620
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:19,600
looked down upon because he 
comes from the slave class and 

621
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:24,400
it is so deep-rooted the 
classism over there or the case 

622
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,199
system. 
However, Were you want to put 

623
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,500
it? 
It is unbelievable to me how 

624
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:34,900
some characters have experienced
so much goodness and benefited 

625
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:38,900
from these characters that come 
from low Origins, and I put that

626
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:40,800
in other words, in quotation, 
mark Lowe Origins. 

627
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,600
And then as soon as they find 
out, someone is not who they 

628
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,699
thought they were there. 
Like, oh my God, I have to 

629
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:53,400
rethink my entire, like, 
perception of you have to say 

630
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,100
this aspect made me feel like 
this show. 

631
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,100
Also, very pro-american in a 
way. 

632
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,500
Yes, Eugene was the one who had 
upward Mobility out of everybody

633
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,400
who actually achieved it on, you
know, more than you know really 

634
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,600
or more than go dong Mei. 
He's the one who like achieves 

635
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,500
it and it's because he moved to 
America and becomes he rise up. 

636
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,600
The US Military and becomes a 
marine and so he is like a top 

637
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,000
up there officer part of the 
American legation when he gets 

638
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,100
to Soul or hunting or things 
with the yeah, hon song. 

639
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,900
I was in name is Sol before it 
was. 

640
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,100
So yeah. 
Correct. 

641
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:28,200
So in hon song he's like and 
it's so funny how we kind of 

642
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,300
like kind of teachers between 
like I know Korean I speak 

643
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,300
Korean but I'm not as I'm like 
I'm not afraid. 

644
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,100
He's like I'm American like he 
just keeps like going back and 

645
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:41,000
forth because it's such a it's 
not like really black and white,

646
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,600
her like this side or that side 
for him, just go back to 

647
00:35:43,607 --> 00:35:46,000
Identity for second with, you 
know, we were moving past but 

648
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,300
before him it's it was like a 
little bit past the, but his 

649
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:54,200
yeah he himself can never forget
his quote unquote lowborn status

650
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,500
Is that he originally had that's
like part of his like motivation

651
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:58,900
for a lot of things in the chip 
on the show. 

652
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,200
Mama. 
Exactly. 

653
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,700
And then at the same time, he 
commands all this power and he 

654
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,000
walks around, looking all good 
and stuff and his suit and 

655
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,600
everyone's like, oh my God, who 
is that? 

656
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,300
And even like, even just from 
looking at him, when they're 

657
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,000
like, that guy looks Korean but 
they can everyone can talk. 

658
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000
That is not a Korean guy. 
Like he is, he is the Foreigner.

659
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,200
He's not crazy, looks Korean. 
That's where look. 

660
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,400
So, Chris mentality is 
completely changed. 

661
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,600
When he comes back to Korea, 
because he doesn't, he doesn't 

662
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400
back down. 
He's got like the American like,

663
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:30,000
Spirit about him, which is 
weird. 

664
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:33,000
So everybody in the show because
they're like, you look and sound

665
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,800
Korean, but you are not Korean 
because you would not have 

666
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,900
talked to me that way if you 
were Korean. 

667
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:41,400
And I would argue to, he doesn't
even with Japanese soldiers and 

668
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,000
stuff, because they don't go 
into how much or time he spent 

669
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,600
in Japan are like, why he's so 
fluent in Japan? 

670
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:48,200
Japanese. 
I don't think they did unless I 

671
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,300
missed it, but he also has the 
same kind of like, you know, 

672
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,200
he's just America that's 
actually American. 

673
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,400
Like, you just have this like 
Like Swag, yeah about it. 

674
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,000
When you're talking in Japanese 
or they're addressing Japanese 

675
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,500
people addressing Korean people.
He's just like kind of similarly

676
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,000
like like what are you gonna do 
to me? 

677
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Exactly, like I'm American, you 
cannot touch me. 

678
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,600
That is the attitude that he has
throughout the show, and it 

679
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,500
really irks a lot of characters 
and they call him out on it. 

680
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:20,800
They're like, well, you must be 
American, which is kind of funny

681
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:22,800
to stereotypical entitled. 
Yes. 

682
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,000
To watch the It on screen from 
EPO and then who he's doing 

683
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,900
great great. 
He's nailing to me, it's like as

684
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,600
an American. 
I'm like yeah, man, that's it, 

685
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,500
you got it, you know. 
I know this is like he was he 

686
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,600
would smile. 
So broadly and so toothy, as 

687
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,800
soon as he encountered other 
American soldiers, he's like, 

688
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,600
hey, like to everyone and I was 
like, that's so American is like

689
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,800
Miley and bears. 
Like I felt a little called out 

690
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,300
like that. 
How I run around the world like 

691
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:55,500
girls. 
Like, Bro. 

692
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:59,600
Do I just smile at everybody? 
Well I'm from Miami is 

693
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,800
different. 
We might not smile at everybody,

694
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,200
kind of mean, but it's okay. 
Yeah, I really like, you know, 

695
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000
like that whole like 
effervescence that stereotypical

696
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,100
effervescence because, you know,
I lived for many years in New 

697
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,600
York and they're not smiling 
everybody. 

698
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,200
There be just like that that 
that aspect of it was so 

699
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,500
embarrassed, so much bravado 
coming from him at times and 

700
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,000
yeah, I kind of I feel it's 
active. 

701
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:28,600
I feel a certain type of way, 
seeing it on screen portrayed by

702
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600
you being good, but it's great. 
I do think that the 

703
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,700
american-ness of the show is 
something that was taking me 

704
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,900
aback as well and how they 
perceived America. 

705
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,200
I don't think anyone here, you 
know, us to our under any 

706
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,100
delusions, like America sucks 
and it's also very great like in

707
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:51,600
equal measure and our history is
just as terrible as everybody 

708
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,700
else's country. 
And at one point, Like I can 

709
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:56,500
remember which character says 
it's like year. 

710
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,300
You also believe him in 
imperialism because of Puerto 

711
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:03,600
Rico Guam, the Philippines like 
a names all of these 

712
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,900
territories. 
Well, I don't even Korea, we 

713
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:08,800
still did this day have huge 
military bases in Korea. 

714
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,700
So, right. 
Well, I mean, effectively, like,

715
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,300
did we call an Eis? 
It maybe not, but we are there. 

716
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:15,500
We're definitely there. 
Are there more? 

717
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:18,700
It's still ongoing. 
But anyway, because they needed 

718
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:23,800
evidently, um, yeah, but maybe 
not every Korean person thrilled

719
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,200
about that. 
Even to this day and I totally 

720
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,900
get that. 
I totally get that. 

721
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:32,100
Yeah, how a foot hold in so many
different places that I don't 

722
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:37,200
think Americans even realize and
yeah, it's it is like that 

723
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,500
imperialism that, I think it was
a Japanese Colonel that was 

724
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,400
talking about it. 
He was like, I am no different 

725
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,400
than you are. 
Like we're here to do the same 

726
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,600
thing essentially that you did 
in all these other places. 

727
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Yeah, which is crazy. 
Like to me, it's like, you know,

728
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,000
pot calling the kettle, black, 
you know, No, no one is good in 

729
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,400
this show. 
Everyone is all kinds of Shades 

730
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,000
of Grey anyway. 
Yeah, I feel like we ventured a 

731
00:40:02,008 --> 00:40:03,600
little bit into spoiler 
territory. 

732
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,800
So, I think we can break for 
spoilers. 

733
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,800
What would you give this show 
out of five Soju bottles? 

734
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,900
Okay. 
It's hard because it was so 

735
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,000
beautiful and stunning but then 
sometimes I like wasn't feeling 

736
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,800
it and then sometimes I feel 
like I was so engrossed in, 

737
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,600
like, the political aspects. 
I didn't care what the Romantic 

738
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,400
aspect sometimes. 
I was like, wait, what happened 

739
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,100
to romance, you know, or 
whatever? 

740
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:29,700
So I would say, three out of 
five so Jews because of that. 

741
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,500
But but like you said, like 
everything you said, still 

742
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,700
stands, like definitely 
worthwhile. 

743
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:36,400
Yeah. 
When the show ended, I was like,

744
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,200
oh my God, this is, I was 
writing a high, right? 

745
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,200
This is a 5 out of 5. 
G. 

746
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,800
Oh my God, it's so good. 
Now, I'm sitting here talking 

747
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,200
about it and I'm kind of like, 
taking a step back. 

748
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,800
I feel like it's probably a four
out of five show four out of 

749
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,100
five Soju bottles for me because
again, so many positives great 

750
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:58,300
production, amazing stunning 
production, but is it? 

751
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,300
My favorite story? 
Did I have a full grasp of 

752
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,400
everything that was going on? 
I feel like they were I was 

753
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,000
playing 20 chess games at the 
same time instead of one chess 

754
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,300
game. 
That's what it felt like to 

755
00:41:07,308 --> 00:41:09,100
follow this. 
Yeah, well, I was like, oh I was

756
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,800
here, we're here. 
Oh, this is romance chess. 

757
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:12,600
Bored. 
Oh, this is the secondary, 

758
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,500
Romans chessboard, like, oh, 
we're doing like all these 

759
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,900
things. 
And that is a little bit 

760
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:22,000
frustrating at the end of the 
day because what what did you 

761
00:41:22,008 --> 00:41:24,100
like about the show? 
Was that everything was just a 

762
00:41:24,107 --> 00:41:27,200
couple of chess boards? 
Was it all the chess boards. 

763
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,100
So I feel like it's a 4 out of 
5. 

764
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:32,400
I think if you watch it one more
time because this was my second 

765
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,900
viewing and you may like a just 
a little bit or at least have a 

766
00:41:35,908 --> 00:41:38,500
better focus on like what you 
did or didn't like about it 

767
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,000
because yeah, it was a lot to 
take in At once, it's so like 

768
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,100
hyper stimulating, cuz you're 
like, what is happening? 

769
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,000
And then the second time you 
watch, you're like, oh yeah, you

770
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
know, I get it. 
Like, for me at least it made a 

771
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,800
lot more sense as I bent. 
All right? 

772
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,400
We're going to get into spoilers
right after this. 

773
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,300
You want to come in. 
Okay, we're on the other side of

774
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:05,700
spoilers. 
We're going to spoil their shit 

775
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:07,600
out on mr. 
Sunshine right now and 

776
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,900
everything is on the table, all 
the chess boards are available. 

777
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:14,600
To us to talk about. 
So Mina, I think you wanted to 

778
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,400
start with the historical aspect
of the show and go into some of 

779
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,100
your research, because I, yes, I
think this is going to help 

780
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,600
ground as a little bit both in 
our discussion and for the 

781
00:42:25,607 --> 00:42:28,300
people who watch it, but don't 
remember or wash and don't 

782
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:29,500
really know what they all 
watched. 

783
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,900
So just clear that I'm not like 
an expert in Korean history or 

784
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:34,900
like a Korean studies Professor 
or something. 

785
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,200
But I did read a few things. 
One of the main things are roses

786
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,700
book called Korea, history by 
Eugene, why park? 

787
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:40,800
That's where most of my 
information. 

788
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:43,100
Images from. 
And then I'll also send you some

789
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,900
links that you can post for 
other articles and stuff if you 

790
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,300
guys are interested. 
So first I want to talk about 

791
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:51,300
was just the class system, we 
were talking about earlier so 

792
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,400
the aristocracy the Choson area 
era I should say was called the 

793
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,400
Young bun. 
So aristocracy was young but 

794
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,900
that's like lady a she and you 
became young men through your 

795
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,600
family lineage. 
So if your ancestors were young 

796
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,900
Bond you inherited that title. 
You were young but as well. 

797
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,900
However, if a young man produced
a child with, Enslaved person. 

798
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:18,200
This child would inherit the 
enslaved, parents status so they

799
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,200
could not ever be young but 
aristocracy those of us growing 

800
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,000
up in the United States or 
learned US History. 

801
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:26,100
It's a little bit similar to in 
that sense of it at least a 

802
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:31,200
similar to u.s. slavery, right? 
So young bun, mainly where 

803
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,300
landowners, and that land was 
farmed for food and was worked 

804
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,800
by the enslaved. 
People. 

805
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
And a lot of young men were 
government officials or Scholars

806
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,800
of ISM, which is what we saw. 
Lady issuance fought 

807
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,800
grandfather. 
I believe he was like making her

808
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
study Confucian Confucius. 
Yeah. 

809
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,700
Below young Ben were the Chun in
class, and I could be Miss 

810
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:54,300
pressing all this, so sorry, but
they were kind of in between 

811
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:57,200
young bun and commoners and a 
lot of young Chilean I should 

812
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,200
say, a lot of chicken, were 
lower level Military Officers, 

813
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,500
or other government office 
workers. 

814
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:04,100
So, including those interpreters
who work for the government, 

815
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,000
such as the ones we saw 
translating for the King, on the

816
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200
show, I believe would be 
considered chunin and Below 

817
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,900
Champion were commoners. 
Yeah, so commoners were often, 

818
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,400
Hindi crafters and Merchants. 
So, the baker, the Potter, the 

819
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,100
metalsmith characters in the 
show would probably be That are 

820
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:22,200
commoners. 
So then at the very bottom of 

821
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,500
the social hierarchy, we have 
the so-called lowborn, most of 

822
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:28,600
which were enslaved people or as
they're called in Korean the no 

823
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,200
be, and no be could be purchased
or inherited through young buns 

824
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,800
family. 
But unlike slavery, here in the 

825
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,900
US, no be were ethnically 
Korean. 

826
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:39,400
So didn't have those like racial
and ethnic differences as you 

827
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,600
might have guessed is from 
watching the show that it's like

828
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,800
people in the US had so it was 
not uncommon for it was not 

829
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,100
uncommon for. 
Or no be to run away and and 

830
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:54,300
then just get wage paying jobs 
or just try and make a living in

831
00:44:54,308 --> 00:44:56,100
other ways. 
And there were slave catchers, 

832
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:58,900
who have to go find them paid 
for by the young bright. 

833
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,600
And I'm not gonna get into like 
the details of like how slavery 

834
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,600
and Korea sort of ended, it took
some time. 

835
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,600
It was a bit. 
Gradual wasn't like any 

836
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,200
emancipation like we had here in
the US, but it basically, what 

837
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,400
it boils down to is a lot of, 
like, money stuff, as with 

838
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:17,000
everything, you know, having no 
be was cost costly having to pay

839
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400
catchers for them was also, Very
costly. 

840
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,700
And after a while, I was just 
like, you know what? 

841
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,200
We may as well just higher wage 
workers to work early and right,

842
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,400
so that was one thing I wanted 
to mention. 

843
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,400
Yeah, it seems like in the show,
it is, on the, I guess it's 

844
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,900
taking place just after this 
sort of grand emancipation of 

845
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:40,400
slaves in Korea. 
And now those slave hunters and 

846
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,300
people that work for the young 
bonds are able to leave able to 

847
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:48,500
work for a wage for the same 
family or what have you but 

848
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:50,300
yeah. 
As in 1894, I believe these. 

849
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:53,500
When they formally abolished AC 
and then a lot of it is still. 

850
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,300
Yes, a lot of characters were 
referencing. 

851
00:45:55,300 --> 00:46:01,000
Like it's a new world, you know.
There is no more young Bond and 

852
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000
no be or but they're kind of 
still. 

853
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Was it just through like for 
example, the butcher Butcher 

854
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,700
discrimination, so the Google 
made was a butcher's son and we 

855
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:13,300
see in the beginning to show 
when I still like the early 

856
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:16,600
1800s, when no be were still 
thing, the butcher's are treated

857
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,500
so badly. 
So poorly Really looked down 

858
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,800
upon and that really continues 
into Japanese Occupation zones 

859
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,600
like the 30s, 1932 20s and 30s. 
So that continued and one kind 

860
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600
of notable thing about nobody 
who are more or less emancipated

861
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,600
to certain extent because it was
like, seeing with America to 

862
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,700
like, people were emancipated. 
But then you still had people 

863
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:39,100
who are working on farms still 
and working as labourers still 

864
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:43,600
have with really reduced wages. 
But in Korea, one thing I 

865
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,600
noticed I was interesting 
different from the US. 

866
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,500
I think, was that they had this 
sort of freedom to Kind of adopt

867
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,400
a new identity. 
So a lot of people would take 

868
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,000
would who became emancipated or 
left the nobody system adopted 

869
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,500
surnames of aristocratic, I'm 
asked this. 

870
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:00,400
So like him, we park. 
Yeah. 

871
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,000
Everybody else. 
Like noble families last names. 

872
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Yeah. 
And they wanted to be associated

873
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,600
with the young bongs these great
noble families. 

874
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,300
And so they just be like, oh 
yeah, I'm a toy. 

875
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,100
Oh yeah, I'm Ali. 
Yeah. 

876
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Oh, I'll and they just during 
this time period. 

877
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,400
There was a lot of like, people 
just taking last names for the 

878
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,400
first time because people didn't
have last names. 

879
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:22,600
Only the Young fans had right, 
needs is crazy. 

880
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,100
And then one other thing I want 
to mention kind of related to 

881
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:29,300
women and likely d--ation 
situation was that during chosen

882
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:31,800
era, they were really into 
neo-confucianism and this like 

883
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,300
hold because they didn't have as
much in the choreo or Sheila 

884
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,500
dynasties or in this exact way 
where women suddenly had to 

885
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,400
switch with your Noble or like 
lady Asian. 

886
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,000
You had to be personally, had to
be married so that you could 

887
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,600
have a son. 
So could carry on the your name,

888
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,900
your lineage or inheritance 
you're young bun status and And 

889
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:51,400
if you didn't have a son, like, 
for example, lady issues, 

890
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,200
grandfather didn't have one 
cause she was refused and get 

891
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,600
married and her her aunt's never
had any sons. 

892
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:59,400
So you could adopt your 
brother's son or son of a cousin

893
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,300
on your father's side and make 
them an air. 

894
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,300
But illegitimate Sons could not 
be heirs in because his new 

895
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,400
neo-confucianism daughters just 
could not have property rights 

896
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,600
or inheritance rights as women 
but they did have to cover their

897
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,900
faces so you see Lady issue and 
traveling her little palanquin. 

898
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:15,600
I don't know perhaps that 
properly, that little like I 

899
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,700
said palanquins and then I could
be wrong palanquin right? 

900
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,900
Yeah, and then that like head 
covering, it looks like it looks

901
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,200
like a skirt. 
Looks like the start of a 

902
00:48:23,207 --> 00:48:25,500
handbook is called the 
tsukishima, which is, which I 

903
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:27,300
could, my parents are so get 
Chima. 

904
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,300
So team has skirt and Koreans. 
It's like a scarf or they 

905
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:31,700
actually it's formatted. 
Meaning, they cut a little bit 

906
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:33,600
shorter and stuff. 
So it's really for, as like a 

907
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,200
headdress of, yeah, it looks a 
little, like, a look ahead 

908
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,800
Korean so. 
So especially if you're a noble 

909
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,000
woman, you cannot be seen by men
and then also the top not worn 

910
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,600
by men in joseon Era and the 
beginning, but until they like 

911
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,200
move into this Western 
modernization, had to do with 

912
00:48:47,207 --> 00:48:49,100
Confucian filial people. 
Piety. 

913
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:52,500
So you are prohibited from 
tampering with your body because

914
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:55,000
that you got that body from your
parents age like preserve its to

915
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,900
honor your parents and your 
parents gave you your hair and 

916
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,200
all this stuff, so you can't cut
it and that becomes a major kind

917
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,300
of player later in the show, 
when she gets her care, try 

918
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,100
that. 
And also, when she gets her hair

919
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:10,200
chopped off, and also the fact, 
but as the Korea's modernizing, 

920
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,600
right, they're starting to so 
the King, which we see in the 

921
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,400
show can call John. 
He was someone who's trying to 

922
00:49:14,408 --> 00:49:17,000
intrude like really cooperate, 
the West make Korea, more 

923
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,700
modern, he introduced 
electricity, what you see? 

924
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,900
Sort of in the show he as you 
see like he's this artist adopt 

925
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,500
kind of its of his Royal robes. 
He's wearing like Western can I 

926
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:27,400
have some? 
Yeah a lot of the guys start 

927
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,600
chopping off their Top Knots 
intentionally because they're 

928
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,300
sort of moving this direction. 
Some people really displeased 

929
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,100
with King Kong's, trying to like
you know make treaties with like

930
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,700
different countries specially 
like Germany, England America. 

931
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,500
He was trying really hard 
because a lot of those treaties 

932
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:44,000
were kind of imbalance and So 
Korea. 

933
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
Can I have the underhand? 
Yeah, you know, they have more 

934
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,900
power. 
They more things. 

935
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:48,600
The tree is he had with Japan. 
Was you can't. 

936
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,000
Member if he had made them or 
someone else made them, it was 

937
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,800
stuff like Japan. 
Could explore as much rice as 

938
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,200
they wanted and never paid a 
tariff. 

939
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,400
Native never paid. 
A tax is sometimes led to things

940
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,100
like rice George's for Koreans 
and so they're like having to 

941
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:02,300
re-import back their own rice. 
That was expert in Japan like 

942
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,800
that is something that was 
persisting for decades after 

943
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,100
this time period. 
Because I think we leave off in 

944
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,200
the show in like nineteen. 
Oh, seven or eight or something 

945
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,600
and Pachinko takes place decades
later. 

946
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,600
And I mean they're talking about
like rice is only for the 

947
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Japanese white rice, looks the 
commoner people just don't eat 

948
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,200
rice. 
They eat barley rice which is 

949
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,100
like a Spore type of rice and 
they're eating that in this show

950
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,800
to their like, eating raw 
barbarous because they can't 

951
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,300
freaking create a fire because 
they'll be find out. 

952
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:39,000
So they're eating literally raw 
barley wheat or rice and it's 

953
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,500
insane to see some of these 
things crop up. 

954
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:45,700
And another Prestige television 
show like Pachinko, which I keep

955
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:47,500
bringing up and go. 
It's because we did a deep dive 

956
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:49,100
on the podcast. 
They go. 

957
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,600
So if you want to listen to that
course grow back. 

958
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,200
But honestly, it is very 
interesting to hear all of the 

959
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,600
history that you just explained.
And I love that you went into 

960
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:06,500
the, the kind of I think up not 
upheaval but like the changes 

961
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:11,700
that were happening during this 
time period and the type of 

962
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:15,000
environment that we're in like 
the classism and why is it so 

963
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,300
like such a thing? 
It's because that was the thing 

964
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,200
back then. 
You know it's like you doing a 

965
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,100
civil war movie, you're going to
talk about like the north versus

966
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:27,200
South, you know what I'm saying?
Yes. 

967
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,900
Like, that's the thing that 
really brings me to that point 

968
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:33,400
of Eugene having this upper 
Mobility that until they like 

969
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
That even though they were like 
emancipate, adjust. 

970
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,900
It was a band. 
I should say. 

971
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,400
It was banned for them. 
There to be, no be anymore. 

972
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,800
It wasn't like, instantaneous, 
like we're all free like you 

973
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,400
hasn't like when I figure out 
what you're going to do, what's 

974
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,600
your new hustle and like, right?
And some people stayed because 

975
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,300
it's like well this is familiar 
and that's what I know. 

976
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,800
So my child leave and like we 
had a good family owned and they

977
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,800
never beat you and they never 
do. 

978
00:51:50,808 --> 00:51:52,800
Yeah. 
So like you did you stay? 

979
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,900
Yeah, things like that happened 
here in America with when cyber 

980
00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:01,300
slavery was ended as well. 
It was kind of like you have to 

981
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:02,600
create a whole new life for 
yourself. 

982
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,100
Like, what do you do? 
So I think it's very believable 

983
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:12,200
that Ashen radiation. 
Still has like her maids and her

984
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,000
servants around her and they 
just are super loyal to her 

985
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,500
because they evidently worked 
for a very good family and he 

986
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:22,100
treated him well and he you 
know, did really good things 

987
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:24,400
toward the end of the show, 
which were groundbreaking. 

988
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,000
He was giving them property 
literally just giving them his 

989
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400
property based on like 
seniority. 

990
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,300
Essentially, if you worked for 
me, for 30 years, you can have 

991
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:34,200
more property. 
Of my property. 

992
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,400
If you work for me for 20 years,
you get this plot of land. 

993
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,400
Like it was very interesting to 
see how he ended up kind of 

994
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,500
righting the wrongs of his class
by just being good to his 

995
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:49,600
servants. 
Well, this idea of like almost 

996
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,800
reparations comes up a lot 
because at first, like I was 

997
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,500
saying in the beginning, I feel 
like the servants added towards 

998
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,600
and like they're just kind of 
like literal bowing and scraping

999
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,900
tool ADHD and was a little 
irking. 

1000
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:01,400
Yes. 
Because like what is this? 

1001
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,800
Like this is so annoying but 
then Eugene basically called rat

1002
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,400
is like hey just like I was no 
be like when he finally 

1003
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,500
confesses that he was one when 
he originally was he was 

1004
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,000
originally quote-unquote lowborn
and he's like you know, your 

1005
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,500
servants, your homegrown, your 
whole way there. 

1006
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:18,900
Those people saying to her, I 
forgot but they They are, they 

1007
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,400
can't do the things that I 
couldn't do when I was no be, 

1008
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,700
you know, they are and then 
she's having this like 

1009
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:27,100
realization moment, I think, in 
he song her fiance, when he is 

1010
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:30,100
like realizing like, oh my God, 
my family screwed over Eugene's 

1011
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:33,800
family killed, his parents, and 
he's starting to like try and 

1012
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,500
make. 
Also, I think very much feel 

1013
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,200
like reparations, like he finds 
the guy who got beat because his

1014
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,400
watch was broken and he's like, 
you know, doing all these 

1015
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,600
things. 
And so these people have these, 

1016
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,000
these nobility people are having
these Enlightenment moments, 

1017
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,700
which I like I said that's like 
what part of the payoff thing we

1018
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:48,700
like, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1019
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,500
Look you wanna see that but it's
also like so interesting that 

1020
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,300
they are showing this because it
does it seem as nationalistic as

1021
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,600
it's like hey we were having our
own problems to like we weren't 

1022
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,900
perfect before, a Japanese 
showed up and then they ruined 

1023
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:03,300
everything and now you know, 
like wasn't anything. 

1024
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,000
Yeah. 
The narrative, some dramas maybe

1025
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,900
show her some some depictions of
stuff show but uh-huh. 

1026
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:10,700
Right. 
Yeah, I think I realized this go

1027
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:13,200
for it. 
No, I'm just going to finish. 

1028
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,700
But just by saying, like this, 
the fact that people were having

1029
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:18,100
these epiphanies in the show, 
the characters of like, oh my 

1030
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,400
gosh, like I contributed to this
terrible system of Oppression 

1031
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,700
and we're trying to free and 
liberate Korea but like we have 

1032
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:27,800
oppression in Korea, Jenny way, 
you know, fry whole classes of 

1033
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800
people. 
Right was was definitely like 

1034
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,100
part of that payoff. 
Like yeah. 

1035
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:34,600
Yeah I love when he confronts 
her and finally says what his 

1036
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:41,000
Origins are and she's stunned 
into silence and he basically 

1037
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,100
challenges her Her. 
And he says, who are you fucking

1038
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:47,700
fighting for? 
Like is it for everybody? 

1039
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:49,300
Or is it just for the young 
Bond? 

1040
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,300
Are you trying to free Korea 
from all of these Western 

1041
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,800
influences and from Japan? 
The all terrible Japan for just 

1042
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,800
your class or is it for 
everyone? 

1043
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,400
Is it for the butcher's for me 
for the slaves. 

1044
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:03,800
You know what is this new world 
that you're trying to create is 

1045
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,000
a just to benefit you and I love
how an episode like 10 or 11. 

1046
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,900
She says my world came crumbling
down what a thing to say. 

1047
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:16,600
She just never considered his 
Origins. 

1048
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,800
She says I just felt weird. 
Is that I just assumed you were 

1049
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,100
Young Band like a nobleman? 
Yeah. 

1050
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:24,500
Yeah. 
But before that, it was dull met

1051
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:25,900
as a child. 
Right? 

1052
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:28,700
Who like wakes her up a little 
bit in the palanquins. 

1053
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:31,500
Break, is he? 
He is like escaping his Your 

1054
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:34,700
situation and she sees him all 
like kind of looking 

1055
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:37,500
blood-streaked and she say so no
questions asked in my. 

1056
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,000
Yeah. 
And then once he gets in, he's 

1057
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,100
like you're just a fool Rich 
fool who like it lives in 

1058
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:44,200
comfort. 
And what the hell do you know? 

1059
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,300
Like, it's it, that was like, 
her first taste of like Reality 

1060
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:49,700
Bites. 
Like, you know, like, oh my gosh

1061
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:53,700
slapped with this truth bomb. 
And so that kind of, she says 

1062
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:55,600
later, like that stayed with 
like that. 

1063
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,100
Haunted me, my whole, yes, 
whatever. 

1064
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,800
The last thing she says to him 
and and he's like, well good. 

1065
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:05,800
Then yeah whatever okay good I 
changed our world view but I 

1066
00:56:05,808 --> 00:56:08,900
know he meant it also was good. 
You just you thought of me 

1067
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:10,400
because he was in love with her 
he right? 

1068
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,200
He meant it as like you remember
me? 

1069
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,900
Like it was weird because weird 
but it did have like it has 

1070
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:18,600
multiple purposes in the end, I 
guess for her, as like, her 

1071
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,500
character development, like she 
had that first taste of it and 

1072
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:24,400
then she had Eugene, you know, 
tell yourself, I think even 

1073
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,000
meeting. 
He know, you know. 

1074
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,900
Yeah you do. 
Yeah I heard I just are holding,

1075
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,900
how could he know? 
And she didn't know all of maybe

1076
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:31,900
he knows. 
Baggage. 

1077
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:35,100
But I think she knew like, okay 
like you're hustling you're out 

1078
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:37,100
here. 
You have like a story and she's 

1079
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:38,500
wrestling. 
Wait I've been couched in like a

1080
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:41,500
luxury my whole life and I wine 
every single day about it you 

1081
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,700
know. 
Yeah she's bitching for nothing 

1082
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:46,400
and not that she's bitching. 
The whole show is just like 

1083
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,600
little things here and there but
you're like, shut up like 

1084
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,800
everyone at some point. 
Says, Sheehan in so many words. 

1085
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,900
Like shut up. 
You're an old cabin like you 

1086
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:59,200
live a great life and just so 
many people were like, don't do 

1087
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,800
this. 
Just go back to your, like, 

1088
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,500
little Yeah. 
People were like dunk it 

1089
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,000
involved. 
It's very serious. 

1090
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,100
It's so dangerous. 
Just go back to your cushy life 

1091
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,600
and she's always like, no, I 
don't want to and continues on 

1092
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,100
her. 
Merry suicidal way. 

1093
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,100
She says, I one point I thought 
I was different from other 

1094
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,200
Nobles, but I wasn't the cause I
fought for was nothing but 

1095
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,700
ironic, which I was like, damn, 
that sucks to suck because she 

1096
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,500
was fine. 
She thought she was fighting for

1097
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:28,100
something. 
Good. 

1098
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,400
Should even know the whole story
should know who was calling the 

1099
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,000
shots in the Righteous army or 
nothing. 

1100
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,400
She was just Flying Blind and 
then she realizes like, what am 

1101
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,000
I even fighting for? 
Who am I fighting for? 

1102
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,400
And it like threw her for a 
loop. 

1103
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,900
It is and I do think the 
backstory of her parents being 

1104
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,000
kind of the first righteous 
Army. 

1105
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,400
Yeah, like whatever that pose a 
call that then but like 

1106
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,000
revolutionaries or whatever. 
And so she was both. 

1107
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:55,200
I don't know, I couldn't tell 
what her motivations where I let

1108
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,900
me know what you think, but it 
was it like carry on this mantle

1109
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:01,100
of her parents as a coal deal. 
Or was she this just this page? 

1110
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,800
Periodic for some reason even 
though like she did nothing. 

1111
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,600
She didn't she wanted for 
nothing. 

1112
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,800
So, like, she's fighting for 
this. 

1113
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,800
Like what her luxury life like, 
I know it's not that, but let 

1114
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,600
her jump at first, I was 
struggling to really. 

1115
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,200
Yes, tell me I'm going to jump 
in here because I really feel 

1116
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,600
like it's because she was so 
educated. 

1117
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:23,200
Like her grandfather doted on 
her and educated Her Way, Beyond

1118
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,000
what a woman should have been 
educated for during that time 

1119
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,800
period. 
And then she started, she just 

1120
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,600
has a rebellious Spirit about 
her. 

1121
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,400
I feel And so, she started 
reading the newspaper. 

1122
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,600
He didn't want her to read the 
newspaper. 

1123
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,000
He didn't want her to get up to 
date on current events. 

1124
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,900
He didn't water to know what's 
going on in the government and 

1125
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:42,900
she was extremely interested in 
that and she it kind of like lit

1126
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:45,700
a fire in her because, you know,
when they tell you not to do 

1127
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:48,000
something, first of all, you're 
getting as a teenager going to 

1128
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,600
want to do it even now, I'm kind
of like, well, I'll do it anyway

1129
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:55,300
and she definitely had a little 
bit of that in her, but also, 

1130
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,200
she just felt such a moral 
responsibility, even as a child,

1131
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,100
saving the butcher, son dong 
Mei. 

1132
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,900
Yeah, she thought she knew it 
was the right thing to do. 

1133
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,600
She had a great moral compass. 
And you know, it's only later 

1134
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,800
that people start like, talking 
about, like, how you're more her

1135
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,900
moral compass, isn't that all 
that pointing North? 

1136
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:19,000
So, yeah, well, that's my fans. 
Ironically, she was so like, you

1137
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,200
know, on her high horse about 
like, you know, I'm not like the

1138
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,000
other Nobles but then she's like
bring my penguin and then it's 

1139
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,600
like like bring that letter to 
me or whatever it is. 

1140
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,100
She's doing all that. 
Like, nobilities just very hot 

1141
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,800
here. 
Like yeah, super snobby. 

1142
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,500
It's not because she's even the 
fact that she is willing to 

1143
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:39,300
marry he song just like I know 
for her as a bit hypothetical 

1144
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:41,300
because he's away for so long. 
He's very conveniently just like

1145
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:44,900
not showing all right to marry 
her and he was but she was still

1146
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:47,300
she and no point was like I'm 
not really like I'm until like 

1147
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:49,400
he showed up in her face and was
like oh crap I got pound. 

1148
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,300
Okay. 
But until then she's just like 

1149
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,700
yeah then it's almost like yeah 
okay I'll marry whatever and 

1150
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,900
then like I found it interesting
that she didn't fight that 

1151
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:58,800
earlier but maybe that's me, 
just putting hairs and being 

1152
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,100
nitpicky about this. 
You're right, I agree. 

1153
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,600
With that, that she seemed to be
okay with marrying. 

1154
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,400
Who song when she would like 10 
years ago, I guess when she was 

1155
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:14,100
20, or maybe 19 years old, or 
like, yeah, she was like 19 and 

1156
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,900
that's when they got engaged and
then he like fucked off to 

1157
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:19,900
Japan. 
Which is why that I was like for

1158
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:22,300
him. 
He like why did he go away? 

1159
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:23,400
And not come back. 
Because he was. 

1160
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,100
So lonely, had all these like, 
kind of superficial seem like 

1161
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,600
vacuous relationships in Japan, 
was just like smoking, drinking 

1162
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,400
gambling reading like, right? 
Like itself, important things, 

1163
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,800
and then like, not coming back 
to Korea. 

1164
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:37,600
He was so lonely, because like I
felt his loneliness and I was 

1165
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,600
like, why you just come here and
marry her sooner. 

1166
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,500
When you were finished rather 
than just like, extending your 

1167
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:44,000
school or whatever he was doing 
in Japan like a guy? 

1168
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,700
I think he was also in since the
same way that she was rebelling.

1169
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:50,700
She was rebelling against his 
own family, which he felt like 

1170
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:53,600
was such a burden. 
His family was such a burden on 

1171
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,700
him. 
Everything they did cost 

1172
01:00:55,700 --> 01:01:00,800
something someone else their 
livelihood or their lives and 

1173
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,200
so, So I feel like he truly felt
burdened by the responsibilities

1174
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:10,000
of the family and somehow 
innately knew that everybody in 

1175
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,900
his family was doing something 
wrong or had wrong to others. 

1176
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,000
And I think he was just just 
avoiding like just deny that I 

1177
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,900
avoiding in Japan, having a good
time in Japan, trying to fill 

1178
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:26,800
this void with all this crap 
that you mentioned like studying

1179
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,100
for 10 years and women and just 
being a romantic. 

1180
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:33,500
Take this. 
Is this what she says to him as 

1181
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:37,200
well? 
Kim Teddy's character says to 

1182
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,500
me, Bianca and like, oh, we're 
living in the Romantic Era. 

1183
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:41,500
People tell me. 
We're living in the Romantic Era

1184
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:47,000
and it's very true for whose 
tongues character because he's 

1185
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,400
living a romantic fantasy, you 
know what he likes. 

1186
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,600
He loves useless things, you 
know. 

1187
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,600
Yeah, he loves uses to keep say 
that this is like x-ray looks 

1188
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,400
the star in the moon's like 
whatever he was saying stars in 

1189
01:01:57,408 --> 01:01:59,800
the moons and the flowers and 
all this shit like he's just a 

1190
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,700
hippie. 
And he comes back finally. 

1191
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:06,600
And for some reason, he thinks 
not to talk to his family. 

1192
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,400
First, he goes to visit his 
fiance with whom. 

1193
01:02:08,408 --> 01:02:11,500
He's never seen in his life 
before. 

1194
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:14,000
Yeah. 
But he's like, I love him and 

1195
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,500
he's ready love at first sight 
because he sees her, and he's 

1196
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:19,700
like, perfect. 
I need that flower in my life 

1197
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:22,900
for the rest of my life. 
And he regret staying away for 

1198
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:24,800
so long. 
Because she's just so stunning, 

1199
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,900
right? 
She's beautiful. 

1200
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:31,000
And what she is, she is no 
doubt, but I I feel you on 

1201
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,600
Nitpicks though, I'm feeling on,
like, what is this motivation? 

1202
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,700
And, like, for 10 years or 10 
years? 

1203
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:44,300
It is not a short amount of time
that these people are rebelling 

1204
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:46,900
in their way, their own ways, 
right? 

1205
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,700
Yeah, I have to go back to the 
acting with of the guy who 

1206
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:54,300
played he song like his ability,
because he had so much more 

1207
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:56,500
like, people just like he's a 
dummy which you kind of was, but

1208
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,000
then he kind of like had more 
going on if he like, put any 

1209
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,800
effort into like rubbing and she
brings us together. 

1210
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,200
Warming up thought he kind of 
like had like because when he 

1211
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,800
would you agree to be like 
hahaha I am. 

1212
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,900
He's yeah everybody was and and 
then he went, he could like turn

1213
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:11,700
that stuff off and on when he 
was like, trying to 

1214
01:03:11,707 --> 01:03:13,500
strategically help everybody 
else. 

1215
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,100
He was also the way he was 
initially submitted by issuing. 

1216
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:21,000
He was smitten with dong Mei 
smitten with Eugene and I was 

1217
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,400
like, he just is on with 
everybody. 

1218
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,500
Like he is like a rabbit's. 
He wanted his ready to be their 

1219
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:27,200
friends. 
He's ready to throw down as much

1220
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,500
as he could. 
He loves Hina like he loved 

1221
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:31,500
everybody. 
And he's like this is my Crew 

1222
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:34,000
and he kind of made them. 
The interesting thing is that he

1223
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,700
made them the glue kind of or he
was the glue to make them like a

1224
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:40,100
crew because otherwise like Hina
did have her pull and then is 

1225
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,000
she had her pull but otherwise 
like the real glue. 

1226
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,900
I think, to my opinion anyway, 
was he saw his character and I 

1227
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:49,100
think the acting was so good 
where he seems both like, like 

1228
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,400
tacky vacuous. 
Kind of like a Playboy who just 

1229
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,700
like you want to dismiss. 
Yeah he's like no I'm her. 

1230
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:56,800
Actually, I'm really so lonely 
and I'm really hurt and I have 

1231
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,500
all these like Deep Emotions. 
That is a little hard for him to

1232
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:03,200
like Express pinpoint and Say, 
but he has them, and the way 

1233
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,300
they liked his character 
develops was also, of course. 

1234
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:07,300
Well written. 
But his acting I thought was 

1235
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:09,000
again. 
He, this guy just might be my 

1236
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,500
type and his like, you know, but
I like to see his old y'all. 

1237
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:15,300
Yeah. 
Like he's like this 

1238
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:20,700
stereotypical pretty boy from a 
rich family and in kdrama like 

1239
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:24,300
these guys you you end up 
rooting for them because they're

1240
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:29,200
so charming and they have 
everything going for them and he

1241
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,100
liked by all accounts, he should
have ended. 

1242
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,600
With actions character because 
he's formatted in kdrama land. 

1243
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,800
Like, oh, he sacrificed her? 
That's like part of his 

1244
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,700
preparations. 
Like, think he was on. 

1245
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:42,700
He's like, you know what? 
I'll give that up. 

1246
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:46,100
I don't understand like 
obviously I can understand him 

1247
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,900
giving her up because she didn't
love him. 

1248
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,600
Right? 
And he's somehow very honorable 

1249
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,100
and was like, yeah, it's so I'm 
not going to marry someone who 

1250
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:56,000
doesn't want me. 
Cool. 

1251
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,100
Yeah, but then it also veered 
into that reparation, sing where

1252
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:03,200
he was like Well, if she loves 
Eve young'uns character, If he, 

1253
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:06,800
if she loves Eugene and my 
family has done everything wrong

1254
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,700
to Eugene and taking everything 
from him. 

1255
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:11,200
Like, how am I going to take her
from him? 

1256
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:16,100
Right. 
So I feel kind of conflicted 

1257
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:19,400
about like why he let her go 
because I don't necessarily want

1258
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,200
to be a reparations thing. 
I wanted to be just like a good 

1259
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,500
man. 
I know at one point, he says to 

1260
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:27,600
Eugene himself when he was like,
oh you do this or he said 

1261
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,300
something about like, oh you let
her go or whatever, like you're 

1262
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,000
not following her. 
And he's like, not because they 

1263
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,100
you, he's like, she wants to be 
a free woman. 

1264
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,400
She was live her own life and I 
did appreciate that. 

1265
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,900
He, the said to me, at least 
Express to Eugene was definitely

1266
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:40,100
out of pettiness. 
Like, he's are not going to 

1267
01:05:40,107 --> 01:05:42,200
admit that, it's for you. 
And though, I did feel like I 

1268
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:44,000
Like it was all. 
So for him it or like the whole 

1269
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,700
I did like the reparations, they
had a component and that's but 

1270
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,600
the fact that he was like, she 
wants to live her life and 

1271
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:50,800
literally, no one will let her 
do that. 

1272
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,200
Like a grandfather won't, 
everyone's hired as put down her

1273
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,400
gun and like, start being a 
lady. 

1274
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,200
Like he's like, I'm gonna let 
her do what she wants to do. 

1275
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,100
Like, I respected that so much. 
Maybe I'm giving him too much 

1276
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:00,900
credit. 
The bar is low. 

1277
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,700
Yeah, look, we can talk about 
the patriarchy for a second 

1278
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:12,100
because her life is basically in
Revolt of the patriarchy and it 

1279
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,900
At 16. 
I think she really does try and 

1280
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:17,200
go against like hundreds of 
years of patriarchy when she 

1281
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,500
just refuses to get married at 
all. 

1282
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:22,500
Like she tells her Jeep. 
Ah, I always say Jeep on side of

1283
01:06:22,508 --> 01:06:25,800
Grandpa bass, tells her Jeep on 
that. 

1284
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,200
She's just not going to get 
married at all. 

1285
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:32,700
Nobody, and he's consistently 
wanted her to take a husband. 

1286
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,900
So she's protected and that he 
can be her Shields and all this 

1287
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:38,500
stuff. 
And I love that. 

1288
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:42,500
She says that she's trained for 
10 years so she doesn't Need a 

1289
01:06:42,508 --> 01:06:46,100
shield at all. 
All she wants is to give her 

1290
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:49,300
heart to the man. 
She loves no marriage and I was 

1291
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:54,500
like that is groundbreaking even
today like, yeah, it is such a 

1292
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:56,700
noble intention. 
She kind of like, does this 

1293
01:06:56,700 --> 01:07:02,000
whole speech with her Grandpa 
because she needs no shallow or 

1294
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,700
stereotypical security from a 
man, she just wants the luxury 

1295
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,600
of love affection and it's 
really beautiful. 

1296
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,100
She does not as a character 
follow through. 

1297
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,100
You on that because she chooses 
the righteous cause does not 

1298
01:07:16,100 --> 01:07:19,800
give in to look this romantic 
ideal of just loving a man for 

1299
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,300
loving a man and ultimately 
Eugene's character Bales her out

1300
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:26,100
at the end of the movie at 
movie. 

1301
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:30,900
Look at me at the end of the 
movie, at the end of the show, 

1302
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:36,100
he is like helping her to no end
and he sells her at one point. 

1303
01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:39,700
Like, you cannot. 
You have not repaid me at all 

1304
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:42,100
for, literally everything that 
I've done for you. 

1305
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:44,900
The least that you can do is 
stay with me. 

1306
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:46,700
Like, stay by my side, of 
course. 

1307
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:48,700
Like, that's the tried-and-true 
kdrama line. 

1308
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:54,100
Like, just stay by my side and 
she doesn't, she's like, no, in 

1309
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:55,700
fact, she tries to break up with
him. 

1310
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:02,500
Sorry. 
Yeah, I wish that it was a 

1311
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:05,700
little more on the Romantic side
than on the like righteous cause

1312
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:10,600
side because it really falters 
her like assault on patriarchy, 

1313
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,300
because she ends up meeting, 
Every guy in her life. 

1314
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,200
In the k-drama fanfic version of
this show. 

1315
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,399
For me, I want to feel like it 
was Hina Kudo meeting in a coup.

1316
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,500
Do some what made her at least a
say these things about like, 

1317
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:30,000
wanting to, like not. 
Every marry anyone and tend to 

1318
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,300
like, you know, F the patriarchy
and all this kind of stuff 

1319
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:36,500
because Hina was married. 
Played every dude like a fiddle,

1320
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:39,200
he don't like she's so 
manipulate used her. 

1321
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,700
Yeah. 
She's her feminine wiles for 

1322
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:44,100
like as a West. 
Truly a weapon and like she 

1323
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:46,500
Maintain this like hehe. 
I'm like a beautiful. 

1324
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,800
Like I'm like a, the owner of 
this hotel and she held his like

1325
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,000
autonomy and I again in this 
like fanfic version of this, in 

1326
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,700
my mind I want to say she was 
inspired by her or something 

1327
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:58,700
about meeting her change 
something for her but yeah I 

1328
01:08:58,700 --> 01:09:01,200
didn't really follow through 
come like she's married to Korea

1329
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,000
she's and she's married to the 
cost. 

1330
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,300
My God. 
Exactly she ends up basically 

1331
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:13,100
marrying the cause and marrying 
her nationalism and the country.

1332
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,899
And at the The end. 
The final shot is literally of 

1333
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:20,000
her with the Korean flag and 
that's the love of her life 

1334
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,300
essentially. 
Okay. 

1335
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,899
So I know that I need to like 
interrupted say is, can we just 

1336
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:27,899
give props to the child actors 
in this freaking show because I 

1337
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:32,800
do goodly shit, kid was amazing?
Yes. 

1338
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:33,700
Yeah. 
Did you? 

1339
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:37,200
Oh my God, have you watched them
every when the Camellia blues at

1340
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,100
all? 
Yes. 

1341
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:39,800
Oh my God. 
Yes. 

1342
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,100
So the kids that little boy, 
kid, Phil you Jim, my God, and 

1343
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:45,800
we covered the show, the pocket.
Yeah, when The Chameleons peel, 

1344
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,800
gu bill goes back guys, young 
Yugi. 

1345
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,200
That's so good. 
His crying dr. 

1346
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:57,500
Cries, oh my God. 
You just want to baking again, 

1347
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,100
he does so well. 
That is actor. 

1348
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:05,200
Kim, kang-hyun Moon and amazing 
as people go and as young 

1349
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,400
Eugene. 
Yeah, he's great. 

1350
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,200
I haven't watched is hitting 
racket, boys, or something. 

1351
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,100
I haven't watched on you. 
Maybe I don't know how to watch.

1352
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:12,600
Rocco Boise. 
Like an adolescent now. 

1353
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think he's in that. 

1354
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,500
But anyway, he is great as a 
child actor. 

1355
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:19,700
So I'm sure he'll be will keep 
seeing him in the future. 

1356
01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:21,300
Absolutely. 
Oh my God. 

1357
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:24,900
But speaking of cameos, the 
descendants of the Sun. 

1358
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:28,900
S couple are Kim, Teddy's, 
parents like that. 

1359
01:10:28,900 --> 01:10:32,400
In that extended flashback 
sequence in episode 10. 

1360
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,300
Oh yeah. 
Bingo. 

1361
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:43,100
And what's her face Lord, I 
forgot her name but they yes yes

1362
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:44,900
yeah forgotten but I love 
Yesterday. 

1363
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,200
Oh my God. 
From my Liberation notes. 

1364
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:49,000
She's so good. 
She's amazing. 

1365
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:49,800
Yes, yes. 
Yes. 

1366
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,400
I'll get her nails done now. 
So what did you think of that 

1367
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,000
Cameo? 
And honestly, they kind of 

1368
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,700
mildly reference. 
Oh, it's Kim. 

1369
01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:02,500
Do on can do one and gives you 
all do mildly reference. 

1370
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:07,500
How, you know, in a few in a 
future Korea with peace and like

1371
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:11,600
Independence or whatever, they 
will find each other again, like

1372
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,000
they were talking about your 
right and I was right. 

1373
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:22,400
Yeah, definitely definitely. 
It was is okay. 

1374
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,400
Had to but had to pit. 
Yeah, but yeah man. 

1375
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:28,800
But yeah the kid actors were 
doing such a great job that the 

1376
01:11:28,808 --> 01:11:32,000
kid who played Little goo goo 
dong Mei, like had his similar 

1377
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,300
somehow like a child version 
Vibe of his and was so good. 

1378
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,200
The little like, what do me? 
Who helped at the American 

1379
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,600
legation? 
Was a door. 

1380
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,700
Oh my God. 
I know. 

1381
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:44,800
Oh my God, but that End of the 
show. 

1382
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:50,600
They show have grown up. 
Kim Min. 

1383
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,700
Jae play literally salutes like 
Eugene's grave. 

1384
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:57,900
I'm like a raven, I'm like, oh 
my God, this shot everything. 

1385
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:03,700
Oh my God, another SNL sketch, 
it had everything. 

1386
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:11,800
Anyway, samurais says, I will 
die. 

1387
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,700
If you like actually develop a 
little Script. 

1388
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:18,500
Oh shit. 
Anyway, that is awesome. 

1389
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,200
He's from Delhi and cocky Prince
I believe. 

1390
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,500
And yeah, he plays the, a little
errand boy, all grown up at the 

1391
01:12:24,508 --> 01:12:29,300
very end of the day. 
Yeah, scene of the movie, Kyle 

1392
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:32,300
more, the teenage Soldier, 
there's more like descendants of

1393
01:12:32,308 --> 01:12:36,700
the sun people in here because, 
oh, yeah, yep, that guy. 

1394
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:41,000
Yep, is the bad guy kept like, 
yes, yes. 

1395
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
I remember girls accent, he like
was going from like Southern. 

1396
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,700
Hey Yugi. 
Like that's like some I don't 

1397
01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:50,800
know his ex was like all over 
the place is like what is going 

1398
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,100
on with your eyes? 
Like I know you speak English 

1399
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,900
like what's happening right now?
Blue content anymore was in my 

1400
01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:57,600
in my head. 
I think they did. 

1401
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,300
And I found it. 
So, because isn't he Korean like

1402
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:01,900
a korean-american? 
Yeah. 

1403
01:13:01,900 --> 01:13:02,700
Name is. 
Yeah. 

1404
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:06,600
So I was like, David McInnis. 
David Magee is open. 

1405
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,100
They were trying to play it off 
like you just like Caucasian 

1406
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:10,000
American. 
Yeah. 

1407
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,100
And I was like there. 
No one said we talked about his 

1408
01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:17,300
Karina so never never. 
These characters are creating 

1409
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:19,800
characters, not green, buddy, is
God? 

1410
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,400
Here it is. 
And then I think, I think you're

1411
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,300
right about the context in which
were really throwing me off. 

1412
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:26,100
Like I was very confused. 
Everybody at first, when you 

1413
01:13:26,108 --> 01:13:28,400
first, they kept coming on 
screen, those accent was all 

1414
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,100
over the place is like we're in 
America. 

1415
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,200
He's supposed to be, he's 
American, but he's obviously is 

1416
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,500
in the entertainment industry 
and Korea Wikipedia, since since

1417
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:40,800
1999, he's been working in 
Korea. 

1418
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,600
But yeah, he's American Youth 
and See. 

1419
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:48,100
Korean like, I think, for this 
character thought he was trying 

1420
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:51,400
to, he's like sometimes I'm from
South Carolina, Yugi, and then 

1421
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,700
second well. 
Okay, so this I don't know, sir,

1422
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,200
British or something David 
McInnis is from Wisconsin, Green

1423
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,300
Bay, Wisconsin. 
And I think we talked about this

1424
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:05,000
on the descendants of the sun 
episode because he, he's from 

1425
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,200
Wisconsin. 
And I just think that the accent

1426
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,000
was a little shaky because 
sometimes the Mid-Atlantic 

1427
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,500
because sometimes he sounded 
like he like had yeah but it was

1428
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,100
weird or a transient because 
sometimes he was like he had 

1429
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:23,800
that lot that's sing-songy thing
going on too and I was like, 

1430
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,200
that's weird. 
We are on the same page, but 

1431
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,800
David McKenna is I did you think
that he was going to be the bad 

1432
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,500
guy at the end? 
I thought I did think he was 

1433
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:37,900
going to either do something and
inadvertently or like 

1434
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:39,300
intentionally to screw the up 
yeast. 

1435
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:41,600
I thought that he was like a spy
or something and leaking 

1436
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,000
information to the Japanese that
he was a traitor at some Never 

1437
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,700
happened, right? 
Purely good guy. 

1438
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,700
Never happened. 
I was surprised. 

1439
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:52,700
Yeah. 
So surprised I, I wanted to talk

1440
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:56,400
real quick about the joonyoung 
the military academy officer who

1441
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,200
was like, ready to go to work 
today for career, ready to kill 

1442
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,200
Japan today, like, yeah, because
his, he's also a younger actor, 

1443
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,800
not a child one, maybe. 
But like his development to was 

1444
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:10,000
and his acting the last couple 
episodes where he's like on the 

1445
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,900
train with them and yeah, he's 
like really, you know, He was so

1446
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:17,400
good and I don't know what else 
he's in, but he is super good. 

1447
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,100
So Props to that guy, I just 
want to shout them out because 

1448
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,700
also looking his Asian Wiki 
profile. 

1449
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:27,900
Like he he is 30 now and went 
looking for him when he's 30. 

1450
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:29,700
And what? 
What was the last minute? 

1451
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,700
Beautiful hair, beautiful hair 
dye, beautiful haired. 

1452
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:34,800
Look at my buddy. 
Asian Wiki is. 

1453
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,900
It is Dong Dong Yuan John-Boy 
here. 

1454
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:38,900
I see em. 
I see em. 

1455
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:46,400
Okay, and your life. 
So sorry, I'm purely shallow and

1456
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,600
any kind of beauty? 
I will have to like note-taking.

1457
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,000
Okay, well, it's Harry about 
Beauties about okay, no bun. 

1458
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,800
No. 
Now you you hit a nerve here 

1459
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,200
because you're talking about 
beautiful people and beautiful 

1460
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,600
hair and shit and like, you 
yong-seok as good on me. 

1461
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:07,700
Yeah, I only saw, I only saw 
reply 1994, we played like the 

1462
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:09,000
dorkiest baseball player on the 
planet. 

1463
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,500
To me, that's not the best 
reply. 

1464
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:19,100
The worst of the Rebecca, worst 
worst reply, but I watched the 

1465
01:16:19,108 --> 01:16:20,800
whole thing partially because 
the him cause I was like what 

1466
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:26,300
he's fun. 
He was putting off waves of just

1467
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:30,400
sexy in the show. 
Yeah and I could not deal with 

1468
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,200
it. 
I was like I love you beyond 

1469
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,800
Godlike as much as the next 
person but like yeah who is the 

1470
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,700
real lead here? 
It's good on. 

1471
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:42,700
Yes. 100 was acting his ass off.
His say he had this thing with 

1472
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:45,100
the clothes going on. 
Same Like the girl who played, 

1473
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:48,000
you know, Kudo he just was the 
samurai robes. 

1474
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,700
Very? 
I mean, it got like kind of 

1475
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:51,800
annoying to be like blood 
splattered for him all the time,

1476
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:57,300
but he just his like smirking, 
his like just strutting around 

1477
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,000
just uh, oh good. 
Yeah, good. 

1478
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,300
Oh my God. 
Questionable facial hair. 

1479
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:09,400
All those facial hair. 
I think those are like the 

1480
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:10,700
things I put on him every 
morning. 

1481
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:12,100
I'm pretty sure. 
I don't think you grew the thing

1482
01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:15,600
and I was looking closely. 
It's like The bottom half under 

1483
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,900
his chin, all that was real and 
then just the stash was fake. 

1484
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:23,100
I thought I saw him talk about 
it. 

1485
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,300
Some point, I do remember, he's 
at least somewhere, maybe wasn't

1486
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:27,100
a show that he's talking about 
like having to get them like 

1487
01:17:27,100 --> 01:17:30,300
individually hair, individual 
hairs placed on him at before 

1488
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:32,000
every shoot it took like a 
hundred years worms like get 

1489
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,300
into that like just visual. 
Oh my god well I because the 

1490
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:37,800
hair you know it was like I 
think away. 

1491
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,800
Yeah. 
The hair was definitely a way 

1492
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,300
they yeah. 
Yeah. 

1493
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:43,400
I didn't have him looking 
wretched out in the streets. 

1494
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:49,300
But yo, so look episode 5, I 
think it is, they're picking up 

1495
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:52,700
shit off the floor in some I 
don't know like a shop or 

1496
01:17:52,700 --> 01:18:00,700
something and he her pink skirts
brushes over his hand. 

1497
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,600
It was so beautifully shot. 
Beautiful, and yeah. 

1498
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:14,400
Sensual and it had like the vibe
of like a hand shot in a period 

1499
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,200
piece drama. 
Like Olive mr. 

1500
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,400
Darcy and Pride, and Prejudice. 
Like it has that like bye-bye, 

1501
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,800
was like, this is for the ladies
in the house, you know what I'm 

1502
01:18:21,808 --> 01:18:23,900
saying? 
Yeah, this is not for the guys, 

1503
01:18:23,900 --> 01:18:26,700
the guys don't understand. 
This, it's for the lip of the 

1504
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:31,700
women and I mean, and then he 
grabs her skirt, her reaction to

1505
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:34,400
her like that, because She's 
like oh my God. 

1506
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,200
Like you know, oh my God Hand 
me, it was like my skirt right 

1507
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:43,800
now, like 45 feet away from my 
body, but still gets a scandal 

1508
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,800
scandalous. 
And he keeps saying he's not 

1509
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,700
doing anything even though he's 
clearly clutching her skirt and 

1510
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:53,800
he won't let the skirt go. 
And I just haven't really caught

1511
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,200
his hand or something. 
No, I don't think it cut his 

1512
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,800
hair. 
Like we have like a paper cut on

1513
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:58,800
his hand. 
I thought. 

1514
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,100
Oh man. 
But he was like, I mean, in my 

1515
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:02,600
nose, I have. 
What is going on? 

1516
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:06,700
What does this mean? 
And the closest these three 

1517
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:09,400
dudes are after her. 
Yeah, thereafter. 

1518
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,300
He would like have these moments
with her. 

1519
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:15,700
They're just, I couldn't deal 
with that one moment in episode 

1520
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:19,200
5 and the closing shot of that 
episode was then inside the 

1521
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,900
building, it's like a freeze 
frame image of them and it's 

1522
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:25,000
almost like they're not moving 
out, because it's in slow 

1523
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,300
motion. 
The rain is falling in, slow, 

1524
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:31,700
motion is absolutely beautiful, 
gorgeous 10 out of 10, him with 

1525
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:35,000
every girl, like his stuff with,
you know, who Her final 

1526
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,700
confession. 
I was slayed like, oh my God, I 

1527
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:40,000
was like, this could, this could
have this, I would have went 

1528
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,700
either way, it had. 
He like ended up somehow having 

1529
01:19:42,700 --> 01:19:44,700
a real romantic moment with that
issue. 

1530
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:46,400
Nor with Unicode. 
Oh, it would've been a win for 

1531
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,800
everyone involved because it 
was, he's just was Central and 

1532
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,400
all that with everyone. 
Like all the ladies and like, 

1533
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:58,200
he's six, like pure in the vein 
sex, the the woman with mutism 

1534
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,700
that he had as like his sidekick
almost. 

1535
01:20:00,700 --> 01:20:03,200
Oh my God, which is the color 
beneath the shadow shaman. 

1536
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,000
Girl who like yes doing tarot 
cards. 

1537
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:09,300
Oh, what he would walk in on 
Hina Kudos baths. 

1538
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:12,800
Right now, my his brain is like 
flashing images of the show. 

1539
01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:17,300
Like every minute I was having a
cow over suck. 

1540
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:18,500
Oh man. 
Yeah. 

1541
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:23,300
So yo and episode 10 or 11, I 
can remember which one it is. 

1542
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,200
He now Kuno. 
Kudo is riding the trolley at 

1543
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,400
night and it's snowing. 
So she holds she holds out her 

1544
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,300
hand to catch the falling snow 
and he grabs her. 

1545
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,000
Hand and whisks her off the 
trolley and like pure kdrama 

1546
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,600
form. 
And just the visuals were 

1547
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,700
stunning, there left standing 
like super close to one another 

1548
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,600
and then she pushed, she pulls a
gun on him and she says be 

1549
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,800
careful when you take a lady's 
hand, we don't always carry 

1550
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:57,300
rainbows and sunshine and I was 
like that's my girl. 

1551
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:07,600
Well, yeah, your Vibes. 
If you thought the mean romance 

1552
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,900
was Vibes, the second Dairy 
thing that don't matter and 

1553
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:13,700
because they were more of a 
kindred spirit. 

1554
01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:16,200
I feel like I say gone through 
the same kinds of shit like, hey

1555
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,700
know, like uh, yeah, yes. 
Also. 

1556
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:23,200
When even the moment where he 
cuts issues Harry, who that was 

1557
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,800
brutal, it was awful. 
It wouldn't have been so brutal 

1558
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:28,500
if all that wasn't happening 
that whole time like it wouldn't

1559
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:32,000
have the same impact. 
I feel that active especially 

1560
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,200
for us as modern viewers like 
you. 

1561
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,400
Like yeah, I don't want anyone 
cut my hair like that little the

1562
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,500
street but like, because they 
knew each other it was I think a

1563
01:21:37,508 --> 01:21:40,000
little bit softened and because 
you know him he's sort of like 

1564
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,600
that it was kind of like but 
then like I think like the 

1565
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,600
build-up of like just all the 
tenseness around them all the 

1566
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,500
time, the tension around them 
all the time. 

1567
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:50,200
And then he like whips out his 
sword and cuts her hair was 

1568
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:54,500
extra shocking because of that. 
So I think he just did it. 

1569
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,100
Everyone acting their pants off 
in the show and that was great. 

1570
01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:59,200
Such horrible, you know what I 
mean? 

1571
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,300
Like, in the moment you did 
that. 

1572
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,300
Yeah, the impact. 
I'm gonna skip to the end. 

1573
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:09,400
And with dong Mei and Hina. 
Because, what does that episode 

1574
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,400
23? 
Oh my God, so she dies, right? 

1575
01:22:13,700 --> 01:22:16,700
It is brutal. 
He takes her. 

1576
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,100
This is where we coming back to 
like the transportation issue. 

1577
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:22,900
Like they were essentially in 
Seoul, they end up at the beach,

1578
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,500
he took it to the beach close to
where I think you back because 

1579
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:28,200
you can't walk piggybacks. 
You cannot walk. 

1580
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,900
She's dead weight. 
Close to where her mother is 

1581
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:34,300
buried. 
She confesses that Eugene is not

1582
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:37,500
the one in her heart anymore and
hasn't been for a long time. 

1583
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,500
She says, she's been waiting for
a man who loves another woman 

1584
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,300
and that that love made him go 
mad and I was like, bitch salus,

1585
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,700
she says the area, this is like,
the beach would be beautiful and

1586
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:54,300
snow told him to come visit her 
when it snows and that, of 

1587
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:56,200
course, they flashed back to 
that moment that I just talked 

1588
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,100
about with. 
And he grabs her off of the 

1589
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:01,300
trolley in the snow, and they're
just like Rosen and dime. 

1590
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,300
And Ah, then she tells him, 
like, you know, don't come right

1591
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:08,600
away live a little longer. 
It's awful. 

1592
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,900
They had such a wonderful 
unfulfilled love and ultimately,

1593
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:17,300
she died a patriot something 
that she was kind of wrestling 

1594
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:21,600
with the whole show. 
You know, what, her identity, 

1595
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,000
what did you think of one that 
bathtub scene where she gets out

1596
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,000
of the bath and she's covered in
scars? 

1597
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,300
I mean, her backstory of like 
getting married off by your dick

1598
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:31,400
head, down to some, like, 
douchebag, probably who's like, 

1599
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,200
your link a sec. 
I think he was old. 

1600
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:34,600
He dies. 
Yeah. 

1601
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,600
Super super old dies. 
You get everything by just 

1602
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,000
de-facto your his widow and then
but obviously she was so like 

1603
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,500
we're like she was so upset and 
hurt that her dad to the sir. 

1604
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:45,600
She's always been seeing her 
mother. 

1605
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,400
And I really want to know more 
about why she has her mother so 

1606
01:23:47,407 --> 01:23:49,500
much like, other than obvious 
reasons, you know, like what 

1607
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:51,400
happened to her mother or like 
whatever her mother might have 

1608
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:56,500
endured as the wife of her crazy
father and he'll on like this, 

1609
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,200
Yeah, you want to go and then 
the scars all over her. 

1610
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,500
Like her ability to be like I 
speak Japanese, I speak French, 

1611
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:05,900
I speak English? 
I speak Korean, you know, like 

1612
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:07,700
all of that, like, all that 
survival. 

1613
01:24:07,700 --> 01:24:08,900
So, like what was she doing in 
Japan? 

1614
01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:11,100
Like, I mean I shouldn't but she
doing it with the fencing in 

1615
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,900
France and it was just that guy 
and like sussing out. 

1616
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:16,800
Who's a spy, and just having 
this like, one eye on everything

1617
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,600
at her hotel. 
Like knowing all the Shady 

1618
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,700
business, but actually she 
didn't acting so innocent like 

1619
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:24,500
she had so much going on and 
then even that's why I feel like

1620
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:27,200
she's really more Kindred 
Spirits with it. 

1621
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,600
Don't lay because he also went 
through, God knows what in 

1622
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,800
Japan, and then, you know, like 
we know his childhood and then 

1623
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,000
we skip all of his whole life in
Japan. 

1624
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,100
And now he's in Korea, started 
around. 

1625
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:39,200
But we missed so many. 
There's so many gas for both of 

1626
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,700
them, but they've both been feel
like hindered and they know, 

1627
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:45,200
like, I absolutely feel the same
way that they're soul mates. 

1628
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:48,500
Yeah, he's so distracted by a 
scene. 

1629
01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:50,000
It's like so dumb. 
Oh my goodness. 

1630
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,500
She herself was also. 
So that's a thing. 

1631
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,500
The end when gone mad eyes, I'm 
fully expecting him to have 

1632
01:24:56,500 --> 01:25:00,300
visions of Pina, as he is 
surpassing on. 

1633
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:04,800
I got the same thing. 
He doesn't, he has visions of a 

1634
01:25:04,808 --> 01:25:07,600
fishing again, and I'm like, oh 
my God. 

1635
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:12,800
So the ends, he never let go 
like, why not though, because I 

1636
01:25:12,808 --> 01:25:15,300
get like, you see she saved her 
life and that was like, it was 

1637
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:17,900
pivotal moment in your life. 
Life-size childhood and like 

1638
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:19,700
this. 
This I maybe it's like hope for 

1639
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:21,100
him. 
This nobility didn't treat him 

1640
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:23,000
like absolute shit. 
So like looks like, oh my God, 

1641
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:24,400
right? 
But it was. 

1642
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,500
Yeah, I totally feel like 
baffling by. 

1643
01:25:26,500 --> 01:25:30,100
The end is baffling by the end, 
and he did just imprint on a 

1644
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,500
mission. 
Essentially, there was no, like,

1645
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:38,200
nobody else brutal even though 
he's very affected when he dies.

1646
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,600
It's not what I thought when he 
knows same. 

1647
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,100
Yeah, also, what about the 
Betrayal from the lady the show?

1648
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:50,200
The lady with the mutism mutism 
like her betrayal of him by 

1649
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,000
selling him out, they lead lady 
has Japan. 

1650
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,900
Did you know, if you remember 
that so lady, she goes Japan of 

1651
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:58,900
Care at her Mission and then she
sends a telegram because she 

1652
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:00,800
just doesn't want Google made to
die. 

1653
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:02,200
Saving her. 
What she obviously is like, 

1654
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,900
prepared to do. 
And he is so pissed at her. 

1655
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,800
And yeah, then the whole like 
his little faction of the black 

1656
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,500
dragon Society falls apart. 
The motion is to call it in a 

1657
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:13,100
show. 
Yeah. 

1658
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:16,100
Is that the translation from 
motion black Joe? 

1659
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,200
Oh, so there was a real society 
called black dragon society that

1660
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,800
kind of roamed around Korea as 
part of like a filly to with 

1661
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,900
Japan and they were sort of 
like, maybe like Yakuza. 

1662
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:26,900
I don't know if that kind of 
assumed that they were Yakuza 

1663
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:29,900
and I think at one point I read 
a translation, of course it was 

1664
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:33,800
on Netflix but it was a real of 
the but I don't know. 

1665
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,500
Yeah. 
I think that you would consider 

1666
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,500
like to compared to Modern Day 
within gakuto's similar like 

1667
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:40,900
stuff going on similar like 
interactions or attract. 

1668
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:42,700
Yeah. 
But they were as a real thing 

1669
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:46,400
called black dragon society that
existed and they actually I 

1670
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,600
think possibly released when it 
aired in Korea, they call them 

1671
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,900
the black dragon society and 
then they change the name to 

1672
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:54,200
music in society because it was 
to actually, the writers got 

1673
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,600
accused of being too 
pro-japanese, and thing like a 

1674
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,400
specifically, Google has made 
his character of being like 

1675
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,800
somebody who was justified in 
hating Korea to death you know 

1676
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,500
like so. 
That's okay. 

1677
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:09,100
So that's the thing about the 
complaint of it being 

1678
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,400
pro-japanese is because the 
movie, the movie, why do I keep 

1679
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,400
saying the movie? 
It's just cinematic. 

1680
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:15,900
It's just so cinematic. 
I think it's a movie. 

1681
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:18,600
Yeah. 
Yes, so no, the show does a 

1682
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,900
great job of painting Korea in a
negative light and a positive 

1683
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:24,000
light. 
And you have the running theme 

1684
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,100
of permeate. 
I was teacher Snowdrop episode 

1685
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:28,800
and there's a blue. 
There was a blue house petition 

1686
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,300
for this show as well because I 
know you mentioned that for your

1687
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:32,400
Snowdrop. 
So there was a blue house 

1688
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,200
petition saying, okay, so I have
a quote here. 

1689
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,100
It says, on July 16th. 
This is from South China Morning

1690
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:38,600
Post. 
I had this quote and July 16th. 

1691
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,300
The petition appeared on the 
tongues web Ade, which is Blue 

1692
01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:43,600
House website calling on the 
government to prevent factual 

1693
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,800
errors and period dramas the 
petition stated quote Historical

1694
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,800
facts are definite perpetrators 
and victims chosen was not 

1695
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,100
depicted as a victim of 
colonization, but instead one 

1696
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:55,000
that invited it guangmei. 
His character is a villain but 

1697
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,000
by showing reasons he had to 
join the project has 

1698
01:27:57,008 --> 01:27:59,100
organization. 
His actions have been Justified 

1699
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:01,300
and quote. 
So so this is like as a show is 

1700
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:02,700
airing and then they had to like
kind of rewrite. 

1701
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:05,000
They rewrote his whole character
to be a little, like a moron, 

1702
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,500
the Korean side or like helping 
Korea because this was the way 

1703
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:09,600
it was starting to go people 
getting pissed in Korea. 

1704
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,800
So they sent this petition the 
writers rewrote it they change 

1705
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:16,200
black dragon society and motion 
study, which is a fictional I 

1706
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,500
think I got you. 
Wow, that is so interesting 

1707
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:24,200
because that's my favorite thing
of the show is like I guess the 

1708
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:29,100
characters have every reason to 
hate Korea. 

1709
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:33,600
You know, Korea's painted in a 
bad light because of their 

1710
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,800
history, some some Korean 
netizens were upset because 

1711
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,700
they're like, why are you 
showing that Korea had no 

1712
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:41,600
electricity tell like someone 
else brought it in? 

1713
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:42,600
I mean, because that's what 
happened. 

1714
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,300
Like sorry. 
Like you know some people right?

1715
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:47,800
We're getting upset over kind of
silly things sillier things, you

1716
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,600
know, I'm Brigitte because there
are they may be themselves are 

1717
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,100
super patriotic and I understand
like you don't want to create a 

1718
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:55,500
come across, some kind like 
Backwoods that were true. 

1719
01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:57,900
Yeah. 
But sure but I mean, 

1720
01:28:57,900 --> 01:28:59,900
historically speaking of that I 
think this is one thing. 

1721
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:01,100
Israel fiction. 
That's interesting. 

1722
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:03,400
And again going back to Snowdrop
thing for a minute. 

1723
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:06,100
Just listening to a little bit. 
There is like this push and pull

1724
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:08,900
like historical fiction and 
being like a fiction being art 

1725
01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:10,900
and being less than that. 
But then if you don't know the 

1726
01:29:10,900 --> 01:29:14,100
history or you don't have a 
context for this, yay, there's 

1727
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:17,500
so much that could go wrong and 
so definitely touches lots of 

1728
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:19,100
nerves. 
And I mean, the thing about 

1729
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:22,200
literacy is silly or like, you 
know, but the I get kind of are 

1730
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,200
there, like, you're there. 
Like you're basically saying 

1731
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:28,900
Japan and this guy like selling 
himself to Japan like his his 

1732
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,100
it's Japan made sense and they 
were upset with it and then they

1733
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,300
like, okay, we're going to 
backtrack and change and change.

1734
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:37,700
Not like the his story arc. 
I don't know. 

1735
01:29:37,700 --> 01:29:39,600
It's hard. 
And it's about that one. 

1736
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,300
I really am. 
Yeah. 

1737
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,600
I mean, I don't even have a side
really cuz I'm like, but I will 

1738
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:48,300
full disclosure, I study history
and called history degree. 

1739
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,100
So it's and one thing about it, 
it's like it's sort of like that

1740
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:54,000
line from Hamlet said like who 
lives, who dies, who tells me, 

1741
01:29:54,008 --> 01:29:57,200
exactly, who gets to say, what 
is history? 

1742
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,900
Yeah, who is the one teaching? 
And how are you portraying? 

1743
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:02,200
What whose perspective are we 
looking at it from, because some

1744
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,900
of those people who, which mr. 
Sunshine shows, who were like, 

1745
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:07,900
kind of pro-japanese, or like, 
you know, played with Japanese 

1746
01:30:07,900 --> 01:30:10,500
so that they could get some 
Kickback, like, you will need. 

1747
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:12,800
For example, that's a prime 
example of a terrible, terrible 

1748
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,000
character. 
I'm unique is a prime example. 

1749
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:18,500
Yeah, but they have their 
reasons, exactly, and for them 

1750
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:20,500
that to them, it's like, well, 
it's good that Japan should 

1751
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:22,900
like, some people definitely did
even leader, like maybe they 

1752
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:24,300
show some pitching coach. 
I haven't watch if I read the 

1753
01:30:24,308 --> 01:30:26,700
book like many times, but 
there's some people who were 

1754
01:30:26,700 --> 01:30:28,500
fine that fine. 
But they were like, yeah, okay. 

1755
01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:30,400
I'll play along with the I need 
something. 

1756
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,000
I don't care that they're here. 
I think they're me here country 

1757
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,900
better and there's always a gene
is constantly maintaining this 

1758
01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:39,400
narrative. 
I have is I don't care who takes

1759
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,800
ownership of career. 
I really don't. 

1760
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,000
I just want all of you guys to 
stay safe. 

1761
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,500
Well, that's weird because he's 
like I'm not helping Korea 

1762
01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:49,500
because of Korea I'm helping 
because of this lady I was like,

1763
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:52,400
this is weird. 
Like, but okay, that's another 

1764
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,700
thing too. 
You know what, let's segue into 

1765
01:30:54,700 --> 01:30:58,000
their relationship because I 
feel like it's the main thing 

1766
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,400
that people recall of Show is 
just them two and he is again, 

1767
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,500
maintaining that he is American 
American American American 

1768
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,400
pro-america don't tread on me 
all that shit, and he is 

1769
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,000
actively going back to Korea and
jeopardizing, his entire 

1770
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,500
military career for the woman. 
He loves because she is a 

1771
01:31:20,508 --> 01:31:24,500
revolutionary. 
She's trying to put Korea back 

1772
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,700
on on top again, and trying to 
fortify Korea against all of 

1773
01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:30,600
these foreign incursion. 
Asians. 

1774
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:33,600
And even though America is 
taking like a back seat during 

1775
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,300
this time, period is very small 
time period like there's 

1776
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:42,400
tensions from all sides. 
And, you know, one point there 

1777
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,200
were talking about like, why 
isn't America helping us because

1778
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,100
we're allies, we sounded. 
We signed a treaty with America 

1779
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:50,900
and they're not doing anything 
to help us is because of all of 

1780
01:31:50,907 --> 01:31:56,500
these back Backwoods money 
deals, it happened that there's 

1781
01:31:56,500 --> 01:31:59,600
a loan out to Japan from 
America, America stands to make 

1782
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,400
a Money off of any war that 
happens in Japan, so it behooves

1783
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,300
them not to do anything. 
So it was very political in that

1784
01:32:07,300 --> 01:32:11,500
sense and he just bypasses all 
of that, like he is above. 

1785
01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:14,700
All of that is essentially he's 
not married to America unlike 

1786
01:32:14,700 --> 01:32:18,000
her L hardcore. 
Yes, he loves America, he calls 

1787
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,900
it, his homeland fine, but he is
not burying himself next to the 

1788
01:32:22,900 --> 01:32:28,100
American flag. 
And, you know, being that into 

1789
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:33,400
patriotism like she she is like 
he's not that even because he 

1790
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:37,200
did it for survival, you know he
was like this is a ladder. 

1791
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,000
I could climb the ladder of the 
military. 

1792
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,200
I can work my way up the ranks 
so I become whatever he whatever

1793
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:44,500
like Boheme. 
I honestly feel like they didn't

1794
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:49,500
do such a good job of explaining
why he was in the military like 

1795
01:32:49,500 --> 01:32:50,900
what it gave him. 
Right? 

1796
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:53,900
I guess you could see like the 
end product obviously of all of 

1797
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:57,200
his power and influence, while 
he's in Korea at the legation 

1798
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:02,500
but initially, he was being 
Bullied harassed in the streets,

1799
01:33:02,500 --> 01:33:06,500
just because he was Asian. 
And I mean there's that line of 

1800
01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:08,700
the it's a stroller. 
He's like an american gun. 

1801
01:33:08,700 --> 01:33:10,600
Doesn't care if you're a noble 
or yeah. 

1802
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,300
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1803
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:13,800
Like, you know, but your SATs 
and then he's got my vote. 

1804
01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:18,000
What is that quick? 
Like carry a big stick. 

1805
01:33:18,700 --> 01:33:22,100
Oh my God, the he called Snap 
president. 

1806
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:23,500
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1807
01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:26,900
At one point area, big stick to 
speak softly and carry out this.

1808
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:28,900
That's it. 
That's some president that said 

1809
01:33:28,900 --> 01:33:31,600
that I can't remember which one 
I think Teddy, Roosevelt did 

1810
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,500
this Teddy Roosevelt? 
Teddy Roosevelt Teddy. 

1811
01:33:33,500 --> 01:33:38,100
I just want like a cop-out times
early on that was corny as hell.

1812
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:39,600
Like, what the hell are you 
talking about? 

1813
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,600
Why are you? 
So, I'm very intrigued by his 

1814
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,100
distinction of like, I'm not 
doing this for Korea. 

1815
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:48,800
Don't give a fuck, who owns 
Korea, but he hates the Japanese

1816
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,000
when whatever they're doing in 
the streets, like he's wildly 

1817
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,900
upset fluent, guys, he flew it. 
I have so many questions. 

1818
01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:57,200
Like, did he was he stationed in
Japan? 

1819
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:58,700
I know. 
Like, of course, America is also

1820
01:33:58,700 --> 01:34:00,400
involved in Japanese stuff. 
A long time. 

1821
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,800
I don't know what's going on. 
I was just like, I didn't get 

1822
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,800
him and some some points, you 
know. 

1823
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,100
Uh-huh. 
Yeah, I just didn't get him and 

1824
01:34:07,108 --> 01:34:09,400
then the fact that he was at the
very end of like you said 

1825
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,400
helping so much, but because of 
her, I was like, that's your 

1826
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:12,700
excuse because you just want to 
help her. 

1827
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:15,300
I mean, it was like, he wasn't 
even if he had said like because

1828
01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:19,100
I love the like Potter guy and 
he was sort of alluding to that.

1829
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:21,200
But like he did it like, say so 
explicitly. 

1830
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,200
He was just like fell about her.
Looks like know you love 

1831
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,600
everybody here. 
Like you look. 

1832
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,200
All these Korean people. 
So, yeah. 

1833
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:32,400
Today, I don't know. 
It's hard to sit, I guess is 

1834
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,700
distinctive. 
I'm trying to make is he can 

1835
01:34:34,700 --> 01:34:38,000
back her and her ideologies, 
without believing in her 

1836
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,500
ideologies. 
And I feel like that would throw

1837
01:34:40,500 --> 01:34:43,000
me, but can he? 
I don't think so. 

1838
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,000
I wasn't buying it, right? 
I felt like, I was like, no, you

1839
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,300
love Korea just a myth, right? 
Like, he's at and then we'll 

1840
01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:50,400
come back to it. 
You would pick Korea the flag 

1841
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,100
that the keys hold on about 
flag, explain that. 

1842
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:57,200
What was that kid? 
That he had a draped on his bed 

1843
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,200
or something like that was like,
so weird. 

1844
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,800
That was weird. 
It was getting really weird. 

1845
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,100
Yeah it was just I was getting 
so we're like what are we doing 

1846
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:06,300
right now? 
Yes. 

1847
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,700
Oh my God. 
Okay, okay, let's reset her 

1848
01:35:13,700 --> 01:35:16,600
here. 
So Lord, where do I go? 

1849
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:19,700
We were talking about their 
romance that the meat cute. 

1850
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:22,500
Let's talk about the meat cute 
episodes, do they meet? 

1851
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,600
I don't know if I've ever seen a
meet-cute, where they're both 

1852
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:31,000
trying to snipe the same guy 
before it was creative as 

1853
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,700
clever. 
I like, I like that as a Meek. 

1854
01:35:32,700 --> 01:35:35,000
Yeah, yeah. 
A lot of iconography them on the

1855
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,700
roof than, like, Freeze Frame. 
Because there are like when 

1856
01:35:38,700 --> 01:35:41,600
they, when they And their hands 
up to each other like this. 

1857
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,300
They're like, are you? 
That was iconic. 

1858
01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:47,200
It is Iconic. 
And I felt the one time I 

1859
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,300
believed in them. 
Yeah. 

1860
01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:49,500
The one time. 
Like, one of the few times. 

1861
01:35:49,508 --> 01:35:52,700
Yeah. 
But he tricks her into like 

1862
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:54,800
falling in love with them 
because an episode 3. 

1863
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,900
She's like what is love? 
She's learning English. 

1864
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,400
I heard his better than gaining 
it title and he says, well, you 

1865
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,600
can't do it by yourself. 
You need someone to do with it. 

1866
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,600
She's like, would you do so? 
We're would you do it with me? 

1867
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,600
And it's just, it is a really 
nice moment between a nice 

1868
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,600
electricity between But 
obviously, yeah, he is 

1869
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,100
manipulating her into yeah, 
because he knows what it means 

1870
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:17,300
the show sort of tricky. 
Yes. 

1871
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:20,700
So I'm like torn. 
It's yeah. 

1872
01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:22,100
I want. 
It wasn't as good as it could 

1873
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:23,700
have been. 
If it was a little less beer, it

1874
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:25,400
was weird. 
And then you're just like, 

1875
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,000
whatever he's 10 years older 
than her. 

1876
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,900
It was because of the show. 
So there's this whole like 

1877
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:35,800
older, man, younger woman, and 
then he's kind of a kiss. 

1878
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:36,900
I don't remember. 
No. 

1879
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,400
But actually, they do not. 
Okay, and I was, that was 

1880
01:36:39,500 --> 01:36:41,000
Weirding me out too. 
Because I was like, you're 100 

1881
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,600
years older than her. 
And so, you know, some glad you 

1882
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,800
didn't kind of, but like, yeah, 
strange, it was yesterday to 

1883
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,500
have all these private moms 
together and she like, kick out 

1884
01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:51,000
her servants. 
We leave us alone, like we're 

1885
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,100
going to talk and like talk or 
look, what at all. 

1886
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:58,000
I'm saying, all I'm saying is 
they spent days writing to the 

1887
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:02,400
beach, today's weather, both 
have been chilling. 

1888
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,800
Presumably days, writing back, 
and you're telling me, there was

1889
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,600
no kiss, no sex, nothing, 
nothing. 

1890
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:10,300
And I mean, if you think about a
good thing, mate, Not further 

1891
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:13,000
than he did by putting his hand,
under her skirt, like chicken, 

1892
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:17,800
the plank went with her, right? 
All they did was hug and maybe 

1893
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,200
they were. 
It's because of the Korean that 

1894
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,400
they are guests. 
Yeah. 

1895
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,200
The 20-year age Gap in real life
was like kind of causing them to

1896
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,000
be a little more prudish weird 
though. 

1897
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,100
I feel like by the end he's 
about to die for you. 

1898
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:30,800
Girl. 
Like do something like something

1899
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,700
has. 
That's what I'm saying is I'm 

1900
01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:37,400
like homeboy is literally taken 
the shot for you, dying for you 

1901
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,400
and your time can't even kiss 
him. 

1902
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:43,300
All the cheek like there was no 
take care of that point to be a 

1903
01:37:43,308 --> 01:37:46,300
lot harder to let him do that 
but like you should have. 

1904
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:47,400
No no but you see what I'm 
saying? 

1905
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,200
Like they're there was life and 
death situations prior to that 

1906
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,300
that they had a moment to 
breathe afterward and there was 

1907
01:37:53,300 --> 01:37:55,600
still like nothing. 
No nothing. 

1908
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,600
Yeah, it's nothing but she said 
I was the one part where did it 

1909
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,400
pay off? 
It didn't know pay off there. 

1910
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,500
Absolutely not but episode 9. 
She's talking about she'd rather

1911
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:08,400
be a flame than a flower burn 
fiercely and then Wilt and he's 

1912
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,800
like oh she's so cruel. 
I love this cruel woman. 

1913
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,900
He's, it's a thing that like 
keep popping up, is that she 

1914
01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:17,600
just wants to like burn 
brightly, and then everyone 

1915
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,100
says, she's cool. 
Yeah, she is, she is, she's 

1916
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:22,100
terrible. 
She said, I don't know if I 

1917
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:23,800
would, like, Asian, if I like 
came across her. 

1918
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:25,700
I'd be like, I don't know if 
we'd be friends, bitch. 

1919
01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:30,200
Like, you're just like too much.
It's very a touch, even when she

1920
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,100
starts to get a clue. 
It's like, okay. 

1921
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:34,500
Yeah. 
She's always like insulated. 

1922
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:37,000
She's just so insulated the 
whole time, even then, she's 

1923
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,200
protected. 
Yes. 

1924
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,200
Even if you don't want her, it's
dies. 

1925
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,500
Talk about their like Shields 
her Shield. 

1926
01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:43,500
Okay. 
I just hate. 

1927
01:38:43,500 --> 01:38:45,600
So, you know, of course, it's 
all very touchy because 

1928
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,500
enslavement is like a whole 
thing and like, yes. 

1929
01:38:48,500 --> 01:38:52,500
They're now just her regular 
surveys and it's still like the 

1930
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:55,900
amount of loyalty in the amount 
of, like, like just doting on 

1931
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:57,900
her, like it made sense because 
you've known her since she was a

1932
01:38:57,907 --> 01:39:02,200
little baby, but it was really 
hard to watch this level of 

1933
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,300
like, you know, the things they 
would do for her. 

1934
01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:05,900
The luck thinks it would go for 
her. 

1935
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,300
They could have been, they put 
themselves in danger so many 

1936
01:39:08,300 --> 01:39:12,000
times or at Being fired, maybe 
more because at the end of the 

1937
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,100
day, there still was a class 
system, she's still nobility and

1938
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:17,100
for servants, to be like, you 
know, lying on her behalf and 

1939
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:19,200
stuff they could have been like,
who knows what at that point, 

1940
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:20,800
you know? 
Like, I don't know. 

1941
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,100
And then she didn't, she did 
take them, I think for granted 

1942
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:27,600
and then and then she loses them
in episode 23. 

1943
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,200
Real real late in the show, 
right, 23? 

1944
01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:34,600
There's 24 episodes. 
They what is it? 

1945
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,200
They like provided a decoy in 
town and they went along with a 

1946
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,100
bunch of older people. 
People. 

1947
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,000
They're joking zai together 
because they're older, their 

1948
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:47,100
lives are lived, they don't have
a lot of stuff to do to 

1949
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:49,900
contribute to the righteous Army
and so they're just like will be

1950
01:39:49,900 --> 01:39:53,300
a decoy so everyone can make it 
out and they along the way they 

1951
01:39:53,300 --> 01:39:55,900
like joking with each other 
they're messing around. 

1952
01:39:55,900 --> 01:39:57,900
They have the palanquins because
of course she's supposed to be 

1953
01:39:57,900 --> 01:40:02,600
in there and just as the male 
and female I think it's Miss 

1954
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,800
Hammond was her name? 
Yes. 

1955
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,800
The and then the male servant I 
forget his name but they are 

1956
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,300
about to hold hands. 
She's literally he just 

1957
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:14,400
confessed that she likes him or 
loves him or whatever, they're 

1958
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:19,200
about to hold hands and they all
get gunned down That was brutal.

1959
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:23,400
And so, is this Airy so brutal, 
the most brutal you could be 

1960
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:27,800
like this, was it like really 
upsetting? 

1961
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:33,400
As for me, I was crying. 
And then she shows up is shocked

1962
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,300
to see them, there she had no 
idea the plan. 

1963
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,600
So, today, keep that last week, 
we played a secret for headache.

1964
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,000
Must have kept it a secret for 
her and second she never 

1965
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:46,000
considered that they would die. 
Yeah, that she was so out of she

1966
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,100
was going back to her earlier 
thing. 

1967
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:52,500
I was like what do you mean and 
even your jeans like you need to

1968
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:56,500
shore up homie. 
Because the how do you, how do 

1969
01:40:56,500 --> 01:41:00,100
you think? 
I think even after he Called her

1970
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:01,700
out. 
It was like, you realize like 

1971
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,700
they can't just eat wherever sit
wherever do whatever? 

1972
01:41:04,700 --> 01:41:08,700
Yeah they're beholden to you. 
She still was like chop chop my 

1973
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:10,500
palanquin like Chop Chop. 
Like come here. 

1974
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:14,000
I need you to summon like I was 
just like what is going on and 

1975
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,400
it was so like it both showed. 
I don't know, your spits like 

1976
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,900
this again, romanticization of 
in slate of slavery where like 

1977
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:28,400
it reminded me a little bit of 
this is very American but my 

1978
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,500
God, I will never Go hungry 
again. 

1979
01:41:30,500 --> 01:41:32,900
What does that one? 
Oh my God. 

1980
01:41:32,900 --> 01:41:33,900
Is it Gone With the Wind? 
Yes. 

1981
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:36,600
Thank you Gone With the Wind. 
Yeah, this show reminded me 

1982
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:40,400
heavily of Gone With the Wind 
because it is at this juncture 

1983
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,800
in the Korean history, right? 
Where you have east meets west. 

1984
01:41:44,900 --> 01:41:50,700
A lot of flux happening in and 
you have almost like Herrera 

1985
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:54,800
where she grew up and stuff in 
the young been era where it is 

1986
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,400
like the South like what is it? 
Antebellum South. 

1987
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,600
Yeah, feels Like that and then 
you have all this shit happen to

1988
01:42:01,608 --> 01:42:04,100
her family implodes. 
It's terrible. 

1989
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:08,100
Really awful stuff. 
People getting gunned down the 

1990
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:10,300
grandfather's funeral getting 
upset. 

1991
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:12,400
You on eek, wreaking havoc, and 
all this. 

1992
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:18,100
It's like her family just dies 
out and it feels like the 

1993
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:21,600
family, what happens to 
Scarlett's family direction of 

1994
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:22,500
Atlanta? 
Yeah. 

1995
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:25,900
The destruction of Atlanta and 
Gone With the Wind and it took 

1996
01:42:25,900 --> 01:42:28,000
like, I know a lot of people 
have mixed feelings about Gone 

1997
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,300
With the Wind, but Yeah, if you 
kind of apply the same, like, 

1998
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:36,900
epic that Gone With the Wind. 
Is, this is like that for Korea.

1999
01:42:36,900 --> 01:42:38,600
Very much like that. 
Yeah, I miss like that. 

2000
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,900
Yeah. 
At least she never slapped her 

2001
01:42:40,900 --> 01:42:43,800
servants, which is not more than
we can say, for Miss Scarlet. 

2002
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,900
O'Hara. 
So at least she didn't, nobody 

2003
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:49,700
was called. 
Ashley, that always bugged me 

2004
01:42:49,700 --> 01:42:54,700
the wrong. 
Ashley, Ashley, Ashley. 

2005
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,500
Yeah, I was like, shut up. 
I hate the name. 

2006
01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:01,900
Ashley Period. 
And then she was like he was 

2007
01:43:01,900 --> 01:43:04,500
named Ashley and the way she 
said it was just so annoying. 

2008
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,600
Okay, man, so we've covered a 
lot of ground here. 

2009
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,000
Is there more that you want to 
talk? 

2010
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:15,900
I think, oh my God, the grandpa.
When I think, what I want to 

2011
01:43:15,900 --> 01:43:20,500
touch on with her grandfather is
that he has such a gut reaction 

2012
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:27,700
to Eugene saying that he's 
lowborn Grandpa Grandpa starts 

2013
01:43:27,700 --> 01:43:30,200
saying, like, how could you 
humiliate me like this? 

2014
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:35,000
And that's unrealistic. 
I was like, well, it did seem 

2015
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,600
realistic because he's just 
hella old on his way out and 

2016
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:43,200
still has his pride hurt vanity.
And Jeopardy reputation to 

2017
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:47,500
uphold is actually humiliated by
his precious granddaughter, the 

2018
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:53,200
rebellious headstrong one who is
intelligent a sniper by his own 

2019
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,900
doing because he's the one who 
Initiated her training. 

2020
01:43:56,900 --> 01:43:59,800
That's right and all of a sudden
she's in love with the lowborn. 

2021
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:03,800
Oh my god, get the fuck out. 
Like it was so that was but 

2022
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,500
she's his favorite 
granddaughter, excessive? 

2023
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:08,300
Yes, he's the one. 
He like put all his like, you 

2024
01:44:08,300 --> 01:44:11,200
know, eggs in that basket yet 
her true cousin was an idiot, 

2025
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,700
you know, or whatever, like not 
helpful and this, she's the one 

2026
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:18,300
who was like his hopes and 
dreams and he really loved, you 

2027
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:21,000
know, the her father who passed 
away and like, you know, never 

2028
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,100
got to meet her mother and said 
he had all this like stuff 

2029
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:26,300
riding on issuing and so I think
that's what What is listed at 

2030
01:44:26,300 --> 01:44:29,600
this visceral reaction to 
Eugene's confession, which like,

2031
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,100
we were saying, was pretty 
realistic. 

2032
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:33,900
But yeah, it was also out of 
pocket to be like, excuse you. 

2033
01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:37,100
But Eric, he was like, the 
lowborn and why are you doing 

2034
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:40,000
this to me? 
And I was like, what do you have

2035
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,300
to do with it? 
It was very patriarchy pet, so 

2036
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:46,900
much patriarchy in that moment, 
just coming to a head because 

2037
01:44:46,900 --> 01:44:49,000
you think he's an ally and then 
all of a sudden he like, does 

2038
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:53,000
this 180 and it's like, oh my 
God, he's a classicist sexist. 

2039
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,200
Like all these things like 
coming into play. 

2040
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,300
Well, I think how could he not 
be like that still? 

2041
01:44:58,300 --> 01:45:02,100
He's still he lived. 
However, aged he lives he's like

2042
01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:04,300
100 years old or something like 
he just say. 

2043
01:45:04,300 --> 01:45:07,700
Yeah so this is all new yes, 
this whole revolutionary thing 

2044
01:45:07,700 --> 01:45:09,700
having to support the righteous 
cause you never wanted to, he 

2045
01:45:09,708 --> 01:45:12,800
thought his kids were like silly
for trying to fight but he 

2046
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,600
funded the righteous Army for 
like years and years and years. 

2047
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:21,400
So he was in on the plot but he 
just I guess wasn't in on the 

2048
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:23,600
social Revolution that was 
happening. 

2049
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:26,300
Yes he wasn't. 
That was a different Storia. 

2050
01:45:26,300 --> 01:45:28,300
Mmm. 
He was just wanted the Japan 

2051
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:32,400
people to be out of there. 
Yeah I like that moment though 

2052
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:36,500
after he leaves Eugene leaves. 
She's like I think you should go

2053
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:40,900
and he leaves and she runs after
him and jumps the Garden Wall 

2054
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,600
and she catches up to. 
Yeah she's like extremely 

2055
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:47,100
emotional and she's like, please
try to understand my grandfather

2056
01:45:47,700 --> 01:45:49,700
and he plays it off. 
He does her kindness. 

2057
01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:52,400
He says I'm actually grateful. 
I got to see you again because 

2058
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,900
of him. 
He's like you take after him. 

2059
01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:58,600
I wonder who taught you to This 
wonderful and he's really taking

2060
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:03,000
well, and he because she was 
running, she loses a shoe, very 

2061
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,600
Cinderelly, he goes and puts it 
back on her and her they cut to 

2062
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:12,100
her committee, right? 
And she's crying lip quivering 

2063
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:14,300
quiet crying. 
Like she's like, like it's just 

2064
01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:16,500
moving everywhere and I have in 
my notes. 

2065
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:21,500
Oh my God, she's breaking. 
Because it was such a good 

2066
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:24,100
moment for her, obviously, she 
plays it kind of close to the 

2067
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:26,500
chest throughout the show. 
Even though she does have 

2068
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:32,500
emotional moments, she is very 
hard faced and so stoic that. 

2069
01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:36,100
Yeah, very stoic. 
And has a really good poker face

2070
01:46:36,100 --> 01:46:38,300
in that moment. 
She just breaks and I loved it. 

2071
01:46:38,300 --> 01:46:41,700
I loved the vulnerability there.
I mean, also another moment like

2072
01:46:41,700 --> 01:46:45,500
this, when she pulls the ring 
out, from her whatever, she's 

2073
01:46:45,500 --> 01:46:47,600
wearing to be like, I'm still 
married to you. 

2074
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,100
Yeah. 
Oh God, fake married. 

2075
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:52,700
Yeah, I thought that was also 
similarly cuz she did. 

2076
01:46:53,300 --> 01:46:55,200
I mean we saw her little secret 
moves of like, I'm going to keep

2077
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:56,900
this ring. 
And act like I'm not wearing it 

2078
01:46:56,900 --> 01:46:58,900
like I'm handing back but then 
when she like just pulls out 

2079
01:46:58,900 --> 01:47:01,700
like I love you. 
Yeah. 

2080
01:47:01,700 --> 01:47:04,600
Oh man. 
So I mean, we could talk about 

2081
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:11,700
that the Rings and stuff. 
Well yeah, I just, I really 

2082
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:13,400
said, oh go on. 
Yeah. 

2083
01:47:14,700 --> 01:47:18,000
What do I have here? 
I have the in episode 21, he 

2084
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:25,500
proposes to her and it's not the
romantic proposal that everybody

2085
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:27,600
wants. 
Its out of necessity she needs. 

2086
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,600
Has manipulated her love ya. 
I mean, he's using his love for 

2087
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:36,300
her to get him to get her to 
Japan and he's like, well, the 

2088
01:47:36,300 --> 01:47:39,000
save this way is if you're my 
wife so they kind of forged the 

2089
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,900
marriage and he hands her. 
He what is it there in the 

2090
01:47:42,907 --> 01:47:44,400
bakery? 
The French Hurry. 

2091
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,100
And there's flour on the table, 
he writer pariba. 

2092
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:53,300
Get ya. 
He writes love on the table in 

2093
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:56,500
English and in place of oh he 
puts the ring. 

2094
01:47:56,500 --> 01:48:00,600
Oh, I died. 
I was like, I don't know, I wish

2095
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:04,200
I wasn't so susceptible to that 
dumb moment but I loved it. 

2096
01:48:04,300 --> 01:48:08,500
It was horrific and wonderful at
the same time because you know, 

2097
01:48:08,500 --> 01:48:10,100
that it's corny. 
It's corny. 

2098
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:13,800
But it's not really sincere 
because she's like effective. 

2099
01:48:13,900 --> 01:48:14,400
Yeah. 
Yes. 

2100
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,100
That too. 
She's lying in a sense and 

2101
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:21,700
manipulating him and when he 
takes the ring off the table and

2102
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:24,200
hands it to her, puts it on a 
ring, on her finger, tells her 

2103
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:28,100
the meaning behind it. 
The Western of story of the game

2104
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:30,400
including me the naming 
convention because he's got to 

2105
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,100
take his last name and all that 
shit and they pan back to the 

2106
01:48:33,100 --> 01:48:38,600
table and it says live now 
instead of love and I was like 

2107
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:43,200
if that's not a clear sign of 
how this thing is going to end. 

2108
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:46,500
They are not going to To end up 
in love, love each other. 

2109
01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:48,200
Like the love is not going to 
win out. 

2110
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:53,100
She's gonna live because of what
he's doing for her and yeah it's

2111
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:55,900
just he's just very forlorn in 
that moment. 

2112
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,300
It's not a triumphant moment, 
not happy. 

2113
01:48:58,900 --> 01:49:01,700
He has to fake the marriage to 
help her accomplish the mission.

2114
01:49:01,700 --> 01:49:05,300
And yeah, it's just versus a 
sincere manifestation of their 

2115
01:49:05,300 --> 01:49:10,300
life portrait. 
They take the wedding, you're 

2116
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:14,000
getting nervous here because 
some of these things are just 

2117
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:20,100
Manufactured to me. 
So why do we all watch kdramas? 

2118
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:23,800
It's this stuff. 
This is like a job. 

2119
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:27,000
Why are we watching this show? 
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah. 

2120
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,500
Oh, man, but they lead the day. 
They leave on the train to for 

2121
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:32,900
the mission and she's dressed in
Western ladies clothes. 

2122
01:49:32,900 --> 01:49:36,100
Not the suit like the looking, 
so it's sexy. 

2123
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:41,700
Do mask suit. 
She's not in that. 

2124
01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:43,900
She's got a dry, love that? 
Yeah. 

2125
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:45,900
When he, when he saw, he puts it
on. 

2126
01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:47,900
Oh my God. 
Just stop it. 

2127
01:49:47,900 --> 01:49:49,600
People all these people, but 
it's so great. 

2128
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,600
You know, she looks cute. 
She looks stunning in this 

2129
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:55,200
moment and he, he acts so well, 
here he begun. 

2130
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,200
You can see that she takes his 
breath away. 

2131
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:01,800
Like he's literally like, like 
he kind of catches his breath 

2132
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,700
and he says, if my last memory 
of Charleston is this beautiful,

2133
01:50:05,700 --> 01:50:14,000
I'll never forget it and I was 
like, oh yeah, she yeah. 

2134
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:15,400
Yeah. 
Oh God. 

2135
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:17,700
But thank you can say like it 
all this wedding talk is remind 

2136
01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:20,200
me of how sad I was about the 
fact that the loneliest and most

2137
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,800
hurt people ended up dying 
alone. 

2138
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,300
Yes. 
You know. 

2139
01:50:25,300 --> 01:50:27,100
Like, he song to like, who 
knows? 

2140
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:30,000
I know he lived or no, he died. 
I left my dies. 

2141
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,500
Oh, he died. 
So everybody dies looking. 

2142
01:50:33,500 --> 01:50:38,800
Nobody got anything, but of the 
Rings and stuff. 

2143
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,700
That's our finish up. 
So she figures out that he 

2144
01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:43,800
should be wearing a ring to a 
matching ring. 

2145
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,900
And she puts the ring on him, 
because he had it on him. 

2146
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:49,200
And she finally says, I love 
you. 

2147
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:50,700
She says, I love you. 
I've always been in love with 

2148
01:50:50,700 --> 01:50:54,500
you tears streaming. 
He lets out a breath that he'd 

2149
01:50:54,500 --> 01:51:00,400
been holding evidently and it's 
just a really sad, sad moment. 

2150
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:02,500
But one that, you know, it's 
going to happen. 

2151
01:51:02,500 --> 01:51:04,900
You know what's gonna? 
You just like? 

2152
01:51:04,900 --> 01:51:08,300
Oh my God. 
So two more deaths. 

2153
01:51:08,300 --> 01:51:10,700
And then I think we should start
wrapping it up. 

2154
01:51:10,700 --> 01:51:15,900
We've gone really long on this 
episode but Okay, so we song 

2155
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:21,100
dies, he ends up hiding love 
him, he was great like 

2156
01:51:21,500 --> 01:51:25,100
underrated character. 
I would say super underrated 

2157
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:27,200
because what she was saying and 
tell me if you think the same 

2158
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,200
about that thing. 
Anyway, going I will I will 

2159
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,500
watch me saying eventually, I 
promise. 

2160
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:35,900
So he ends up hiding like a time
capsule of photos and evidence 

2161
01:51:35,900 --> 01:51:40,200
of the righteous Army and all of
the like human rights 

2162
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,200
violations. 
And shit that Japan has been 

2163
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:46,900
doing and he Hides it and then 
he gets caught for his pro 

2164
01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:49,800
career newspaper. 
They want Intel who's the 

2165
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:53,600
righteous Army, where's Ash in 
all this stuff and he just gives

2166
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,200
his previous line. 
I like beautiful but useless 

2167
01:51:56,200 --> 01:52:01,300
things and in the end he was a 
patriot and a journalist as 

2168
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:03,000
well. 
Very died. 

2169
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,200
A romantic deal of like you can 
fight with guns and I'll fight 

2170
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,100
with words. 
I mean it was really, yeah, it's

2171
01:52:08,100 --> 01:52:09,100
very true. 
Right. 

2172
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:12,800
And so like, you know, there 
that's documentation of witness 

2173
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:13,800
being a witness. 
Yeah. 

2174
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,600
But Has to history is also 
important. 

2175
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:18,900
Yeah, yeah, lutely. 
Yeah, one last hit to the Head, 

2176
01:52:18,900 --> 01:52:23,100
sends them to the ground and the
ticking of his grandfather's 

2177
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:27,500
pocket watch which was an omen 
throughout the show. 

2178
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:31,900
Definitely its lowest a couple 
deaths in a way and it's a 

2179
01:52:31,907 --> 01:52:35,400
couple itemizes. 
Also I know it was brutal and 

2180
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:39,500
now finally, it's ticking. 
It's last time for Hibbett slows

2181
01:52:39,500 --> 01:52:42,200
down to nothing and he's out of 
time. 

2182
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,200
It's done. 
It's very almost anticlimactic, 

2183
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:53,000
almost too banal of an ending 
for such a character, fast 

2184
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:57,200
fasil, mmm style, but not 
really, but it made sense for 

2185
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:58,900
him. 
It makes sense for did. 

2186
01:52:58,900 --> 01:53:00,500
Yeah. 
What about the Last Stand in the

2187
01:53:00,500 --> 01:53:02,600
woods for the rest of the 
righteous Army that did make it 

2188
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:04,500
out there? 
Like for they split up until 

2189
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:08,400
like four platoons try to make 
it to Manchuria, a couple of 

2190
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,600
Petunias. 
Don't get outta there completely

2191
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,800
surrounded in the woods but 
they, you know, Faye lately. 

2192
01:53:13,900 --> 01:53:18,400
Raise the flag to fight until 
The Bitter End and the Potter, 

2193
01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:20,500
do the Manchurian, okay. 
Yeah. 

2194
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:24,500
The powder gives like a great 
rallying speech to and that's it

2195
01:53:24,500 --> 01:53:28,300
like they all die. 
I mean again when you start the 

2196
01:53:28,300 --> 01:53:31,300
show and you know the history of
Korea it's like there's no way 

2197
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,900
the righteous Army is going to 
like win somehow like other 

2198
01:53:33,900 --> 01:53:36,200
wiser. 
This is not happening, right? 

2199
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:41,300
So it was just sad the whole 
time and yeah the putter out 

2200
01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:45,300
here making hard decisions like 
you know, I don't know. 

2201
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:48,500
Like I loved his character in 
terms of like they showed the 

2202
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:51,000
conflicting way to lead 
something like the righteous 

2203
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,800
armies, that were his faction of
it and the decisions you have to

2204
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:56,400
make in this in the stuff. 
The sacrifices you have to make 

2205
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:00,200
the He was the one who's explain
to everyone like you know, this 

2206
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:04,100
is how it's going down and yeah,
I don't know, it's just sad at 

2207
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:05,600
the end. 
I think the ending was so sad. 

2208
01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:07,800
It was the words and you know 
Japan's gonna win. 

2209
01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:09,600
You know dripping, you do 
channelings. 

2210
01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:10,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2211
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,000
And he's in power alert for 
decades. 

2212
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:15,000
It's crazy. 
Right? 

2213
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:20,000
You'll the death of E1 eek. 
I kind of wished that Gunner 

2214
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:25,200
Jang was in on it, or that one 
ich knew that she was trained by

2215
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,700
the Gunner. 
Because there was like this 

2216
01:54:27,700 --> 01:54:29,800
whole running theme of like I'm 
going to get the guy who did 

2217
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,800
this to me and one take and 
Gunner, Jack at all Jang, had 

2218
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,300
all of his Bad Blood because he 
killed his dad. 

2219
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:39,300
He shot his leg made him a 
cripple and all this stuff and 

2220
01:54:40,300 --> 01:54:44,800
it never kind of manifested. 
But I guess that's just sort of 

2221
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:48,700
included gun or Jiang when she 
shoots his shoulder. 

2222
01:54:48,700 --> 01:54:52,800
She shoots wanted shoulder and 
then they flashed quickly back 

2223
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:57,200
to the Gunner as a teenager and 
so he's kind of their In spirit 

2224
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:59,100
again. 
She passed to the child actor 

2225
01:54:59,100 --> 01:55:00,700
props of time. 
Yes, he was great. 

2226
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,700
His training, I guess allowed 
her to take the three shots and 

2227
01:55:04,900 --> 01:55:08,500
his daughter. 
He picked up the mess did not 

2228
01:55:08,500 --> 01:55:11,200
shed a single tear. 
She was already feeling super 

2229
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:13,700
guilty and torn about 
everything. 

2230
01:55:13,700 --> 01:55:21,000
Her dad did all the sins of him 
and what's cool is that Asian 

2231
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,600
killed one week without ever 
knowing that he killed her 

2232
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,600
parents. 
That's right. 

2233
01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:27,800
Well that was an interesting 
thing too because I went it was 

2234
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:31,800
not Gunner jianghu, got to get 
what it was like you know in 

2235
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,600
real life you don't get to kill 
your enemies or do or get you 

2236
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:37,200
know, you don't get the Revenge 
that you deserve and right. 

2237
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:39,000
And so I was like, maybe they're
trying to like, say something 

2238
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,100
about that, where it's like, 
well maybe he lives or 

2239
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:43,300
something, I wasn't sure what 
was going to happen, necessarily

2240
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:46,000
with him, but everybody who 
needs died, does end up dying, 

2241
01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:48,200
which is again, that payoff, 
that comes that you kind of 

2242
01:55:48,208 --> 01:55:51,200
want. 
But, but also, Like yeah, it's 

2243
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:53,400
interesting that she that they 
made it like she didn't even 

2244
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,600
know, she's getting revenge that
she was due and the fact that he

2245
01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:00,000
wasn't involved really. 
So that was just an interesting 

2246
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,700
little. 
The details of the show of the 

2247
01:56:01,700 --> 01:56:04,700
how they wrote, in what they 
included in how they portray. 

2248
01:56:04,700 --> 01:56:08,700
Yeah, that was so good. 
Yeah, Gunner, Zhang's death, 

2249
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:13,100
awful, no good. 
Terry, what handful literal 

2250
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:16,000
flames of Glory, those are all 
flames of Glory. 

2251
01:56:16,300 --> 01:56:19,500
He resolves his issues with the 
King. 

2252
01:56:19,700 --> 01:56:22,900
Because obviously, one explode, 
this spun the story that the 

2253
01:56:22,900 --> 01:56:27,000
king abandoned, the people who 
are defending the court during 

2254
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:31,700
that encouraging for the US. 
And then he had a bad blood with

2255
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:34,300
him in the king and the King was
like I'm so he didn't say he was

2256
01:56:34,300 --> 01:56:37,800
sorry, it was basically said he 
leases I can't make it out, I'm 

2257
01:56:37,808 --> 01:56:42,200
sorry, but I feel bad and 
whatever and you know, he they 

2258
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:46,300
did kind of hash it out. 
And in the end, he does die. 

2259
01:56:46,300 --> 01:56:50,900
Like defending the, the key The 
king and all this, all these 

2260
01:56:50,900 --> 01:56:53,100
people. 
And yes, he gets the, the 

2261
01:56:53,100 --> 01:56:56,600
young'uns out of the military 
academy, after they put the span

2262
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:58,300
of about his marriage to the 
Archer lady. 

2263
01:56:58,300 --> 01:57:01,300
What the hell was that about? 
What they actually, I was just a

2264
01:57:01,300 --> 01:57:04,000
mess with us where they actually
married or like I think they 

2265
01:57:04,008 --> 01:57:06,100
were like common-law married. 
I guess I don't know. 

2266
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:08,200
I have no idea. 
I thought that they were gonna 

2267
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:12,500
follow religion, or like, could 
they be merry like there. 

2268
01:57:12,500 --> 01:57:13,800
So early. 
I think they could. 

2269
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:17,200
But like I understood that they 
were not married, they just had 

2270
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:19,500
a long-standing flirtation, they
had on spoken. 

2271
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:22,000
Feelings for each other and they
were looking out from the you 

2272
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:23,100
think they weren't even in a 
relation? 

2273
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:27,700
No, and then when he, he kind of
said towards the end of like 

2274
01:57:27,700 --> 01:57:32,000
when they were separated, that 
we're going to leave together 

2275
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,500
and will Forge a life together. 
He kind of a kind of, like 

2276
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:36,300
halfway said that they loved 
each other. 

2277
01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:38,700
She said he would, she was 
waiting for a handsome man to 

2278
01:57:38,700 --> 01:57:40,700
come back. 
That's what, that's what that 

2279
01:57:40,700 --> 01:57:43,300
conversation ended up being. 
Like, I'm basically going to 

2280
01:57:43,300 --> 01:57:46,500
wait for him here whenever he's 
done, we're going to pick up and

2281
01:57:46,500 --> 01:57:49,400
like move together. 
We're going to continue this. 

2282
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:52,200
Gather and then he she ends up 
hanging. 

2283
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,000
She's that it was horrible. 
She's the first death of the I 

2284
01:57:55,008 --> 01:57:57,600
was horrible horrendous. 
Yes. 

2285
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,600
Like so brutal brutal and 
wanting it was have to hanging 

2286
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:06,000
and he shows up and he can't 
even look at her. 

2287
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,100
He's just like brim down on his 
hat. 

2288
01:58:09,100 --> 01:58:12,700
Like cannot look at her but he 
screams to cut her down because 

2289
01:58:12,700 --> 01:58:16,000
this is his wife. 
And I was like oh my god did he 

2290
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,400
just claim her as his wife all 
of a sudden or what a day? 

2291
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,000
This reads? 
Like my intended. 

2292
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,500
This is my intended. 
Maybe it's like that. 

2293
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:24,600
I don't know. 
Either it was a little confusing

2294
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:29,200
but so brutal nonetheless, yeah,
the love stories. 

2295
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:34,200
Did not catch a break. 
Did you understand anything 

2296
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:39,000
about the 7 traders of 1905 of 
the five traders of 1905? 

2297
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,000
The seventh round, not really. 
But I will say, in my research 

2298
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,200
there's all these little 
skirmishes and things and like, 

2299
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,800
Was like people who are kind of 
like infiltrated the king side 

2300
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,600
of things and we're really like 
kind of like Japanese spies and 

2301
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,900
like, we're doing kind of these 
underrated things and that's 

2302
01:58:53,900 --> 01:58:56,500
what led to some of the like 
earlier skirmishes and different

2303
01:58:56,500 --> 01:59:00,300
things like that, right? 
And and that's when things like 

2304
01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:02,800
Japan. 
Just like Japan was just like 

2305
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,600
squatting essentially in a way 
and it seems, like from what I 

2306
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:09,100
read at least and in the 
beginning and then King Kong was

2307
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:12,500
like, let me just, like, get 
some formal formal treaties and 

2308
01:59:12,500 --> 01:59:13,600
stuff to get other people 
involved. 

2309
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:17,100
So that we Can he was trying had
good intentions to get creative 

2310
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:19,400
lights and power. 
But yeah, there was all these 

2311
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:21,600
other little things that happen.
There's a lot of like Farmers 

2312
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:23,900
against the king revolting and 
this and that be coverage, 

2313
01:59:23,900 --> 01:59:25,900
various reasons. 
Yeah, for that even before he 

2314
01:59:25,900 --> 01:59:28,400
was king. 
So I'm assuming it's, I don't 

2315
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,500
know, it's tough like Beyond me 
and because they made a point of

2316
01:59:31,500 --> 01:59:34,000
having me, son, come and take 
their photograph. 

2317
01:59:35,300 --> 01:59:37,600
Okay, so I want to talk a little
about this, the righteous Army. 

2318
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:41,300
We've long as that we've young, 
I press this right in Korean. 

2319
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:43,400
Okay. 
So the thing about them was, 

2320
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:45,200
they were made. 
They were made up of like the 

2321
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:49,200
tenant farmers and then, like 
the Army, the military people, 

2322
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:51,800
who got kind of, like, kicked 
out after Japan's like Japan 

2323
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:55,400
invaded, the king's Palace, 
like, Dethrone to the chaos. 

2324
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:57,000
The King was like, still signing
stuff. 

2325
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,700
Sort of, I think I'm a half is 
just like a puppet came against 

2326
01:59:59,700 --> 02:00:01,200
like Japan. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2327
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:02,700
Japan was pulling the strings 
and so-so. 

2328
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,600
But yeah that is what who the 
righteous Army was like those 

2329
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:11,300
types of the same people we saw 
and I wanted to mention to speak

2330
02:00:11,300 --> 02:00:13,500
on journalism, a little bit. 
There was Frederick Mackenzie 

2331
02:00:13,500 --> 02:00:16,900
shows up at the end of the show 
and takes the photos, the 

2332
02:00:16,900 --> 02:00:18,800
righteous Army. 
So one thing that I found out 

2333
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:19,900
that I didn't quite realize the 
time. 

2334
02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:22,700
First, all that is based off a 
real photo you can look up. 

2335
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:25,800
When you look up Rachel's Army, 
it is the only known photo of 

2336
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,700
anyone who's in the righteous 
Army that exists, according to 

2337
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:30,300
what I've read, I don't quote me
on that. 

2338
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:36,600
But as my ready that and they 
say this, Yeah, I also brought 

2339
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,800
it elsewhere because I was like,
I don't know what's going on 

2340
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,400
here but they do they sound. 
So only photo in the show it is.

2341
02:00:41,700 --> 02:00:45,100
I think the journalist said or 
whatever that this is probably, 

2342
02:00:45,100 --> 02:00:47,200
the only photo that will exist 
of you guys. 

2343
02:00:47,500 --> 02:00:50,000
Yes, okay, so for sure, if I 
were her child is because that 

2344
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:53,300
does end up being the only photo
that exists of the righteous 

2345
02:00:53,300 --> 02:00:54,900
Army. 
I don't know if they have the 

2346
02:00:54,900 --> 02:00:56,800
names of the list of names. 
I was like, going to try and 

2347
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:58,600
like Google, it be like that. 
Screenings are had to Google 

2348
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:00,500
because ever have like the same 
names, you know, like a lot. 

2349
02:01:00,500 --> 02:01:03,400
So yeah, I didn't really go 
there, but but then I also 

2350
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:07,000
wanted to kind of mention And 
another journalist. 

2351
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:10,100
So Philip Json was actually, so 
I was trying to find out like 

2352
02:01:10,100 --> 02:01:12,100
was Eugene Choi. 
So the thing that is going to be

2353
02:01:12,108 --> 02:01:14,600
historical fiction, is it kind 
of brings people to try and pay 

2354
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:16,100
attention to history or like 
find out about his? 

2355
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:18,200
Yeah, yeah so that's a good 
thing. 

2356
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:20,100
So I was like it's Eugene Choi 
and that's a common question. 

2357
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:20,900
If you look at mr. 
Sunshine. 

2358
02:01:20,900 --> 02:01:22,400
It's like it was using to a real
person. 

2359
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,300
Was this is a true story, right?
So there was a man named Philip 

2360
02:01:25,300 --> 02:01:28,900
Chase on and Jace are Jason 
maybe but it's spelled j is 0 

2361
02:01:28,900 --> 02:01:30,100
hn. 
O mistress spell. 

2362
02:01:30,100 --> 02:01:33,200
Like almost like Korean spelling
in a way or something but Philip

2363
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:37,100
Jason, he was a Korean born. 
In naturalized US citizen and a 

2364
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:38,700
former member of the 
Enlightenment party. 

2365
02:01:38,900 --> 02:01:41,600
He published this, like, 
bilingual English, Korean 

2366
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,300
newspaper called the 
independence to educate create. 

2367
02:01:44,300 --> 02:01:46,800
However, what it was for, it was
actually like American 

2368
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,400
propaganda or something. 
It was educate Koreans, I like 

2369
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,600
democracy and like you know, 
modernizations that these are 

2370
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:54,900
good, things like you want this 
trolley here, like this 

2371
02:01:54,900 --> 02:01:56,800
electric, whatever. 
Yeah, out of those, those 

2372
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,600
specific things but he was 
trying to promote that stuff and

2373
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:03,500
so there was sort of like this 
Eugene asked person who existed 

2374
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:06,600
these journalists Like, you 
know, it kind of makes it like 

2375
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:10,100
what Frederick Mackenzie, didn't
he song of like independent 

2376
02:02:10,100 --> 02:02:12,800
journalism, right, you know 
Koreans, I don't know. 

2377
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,700
It all kind of like somehow 
makes a full circle. 

2378
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:19,100
Yeah, now that's interesting. 
Yeah, that's great. 

2379
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:23,200
So, you know, I can see, you 
know, I can see them looking it 

2380
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:26,400
up and be like, well we could 
just make it two characters but 

2381
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:28,200
that's if anyone does. 
And I think so too. 

2382
02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:31,100
Again, just to go back briefly 
to Snowdrop or if you are to 

2383
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:34,200
take some of this stuff to 
heart, it's like if you don't 

2384
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:36,300
know it, And even if you know it
but you didn't live through. 

2385
02:02:36,300 --> 02:02:39,000
It's like different, right? 
So it's different to have 

2386
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:41,100
actually gone through. 
I think in America because we 

2387
02:02:41,100 --> 02:02:44,100
haven't like thankfully had any 
much happen in our soils and 

2388
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:47,100
like you know Generations but 
9/11 is I think something that 

2389
02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:49,700
people who lived through have 
like a certain concept of 

2390
02:02:49,700 --> 02:02:52,400
absolutely and after when 
Kennedy died, so previous 

2391
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,100
generation, only right? 
Exactly that, exactly that. 

2392
02:02:55,100 --> 02:02:57,200
So if you who where were you and
Kennedy died? 

2393
02:02:57,200 --> 02:03:00,000
Were you on 9/11 those things? 
Those are kind of the closest, 

2394
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:04,600
maybe we as like very 
privileged, a kids can relate to

2395
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,200
You think of like people who are
Korean or have create 

2396
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:10,500
impression, pride, and think of 
these events versus us, just 

2397
02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:13,300
because to me is like, media and
entertainment, right? 

2398
02:03:13,700 --> 02:03:16,000
So interesting. 
I love your points. 

2399
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,600
Okay, I'm coming up to the end 
of my notes, to be honest, and I

2400
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,100
don't know if I have the energy 
to like continue talking about 

2401
02:03:22,100 --> 02:03:22,700
mr. 
Sunshine. 

2402
02:03:22,700 --> 02:03:27,800
It's just so overwhelming but I 
think Eugene dying is the, I 

2403
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:32,500
guess icing on the cake. 
The cherry on top of this awful,

2404
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:36,700
like really emotional Emotional 
exchange few episodes. 

2405
02:03:36,700 --> 02:03:39,700
The last six episodes are just 
Bloodshed hit after hit after 

2406
02:03:39,700 --> 02:03:44,000
hit betrayal after betrayal and,
you know, he died. 

2407
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:48,400
He sacrifices himself to save 
the what little was left of the 

2408
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:53,200
righteous Army including his 
girl and he uncouples the train 

2409
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:58,000
and you know, he dies, just shy 
of the sunlight because it's at 

2410
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,700
the very end of this tunnel, 
it's very symbolic. 

2411
02:04:00,700 --> 02:04:04,100
And you know, this is my 
history, this is my love story. 

2412
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:06,300
This is why. 
Just I have to go wish you 

2413
02:04:06,300 --> 02:04:07,500
Victory. 
All of these things that he 

2414
02:04:07,500 --> 02:04:11,600
says, I can voiceover are just 
crazy. 

2415
02:04:11,700 --> 02:04:14,100
I mean, where else could he go? 
You know. 

2416
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:15,900
Like that's what I just kept 
thinking in his death is like, 

2417
02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:18,600
this stuff is like seems like 
it's in vain because it's yeah, 

2418
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,400
it's for her. 
Like, she probably would live 

2419
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:23,800
somehow, you know, there is an 
argument or a point to be made. 

2420
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:30,700
I think that yoojin Cho toi is 
role in this show is greatly 

2421
02:04:30,700 --> 02:04:34,500
diminished after he goes to 
prison. 

2422
02:04:34,700 --> 02:04:38,300
For three years and they have 
the time Jump to 1907 when they 

2423
02:04:38,300 --> 02:04:41,900
come back from 1907. 
Like, it is almost a completely 

2424
02:04:41,900 --> 02:04:44,300
different show. 
It is like, it's a different 

2425
02:04:44,300 --> 02:04:46,900
country. 
Yeah, different country and 

2426
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:51,300
different but very high stakes 
and you get the endgame episodes

2427
02:04:51,300 --> 02:04:54,700
and you're just kind of like 
wondering where Eugene's 

2428
02:04:54,700 --> 02:04:58,900
character is going to land here.
Obviously, everyone is doomed to

2429
02:04:58,900 --> 02:05:03,100
die but you know, this character
motivations we touched on that 

2430
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:06,400
earlier, like, what is his Deal.
He's so wishy-washy. 

2431
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:11,000
But at the same time, very 
Resolute staunchly American. 

2432
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:15,800
And honestly, I think that they 
didn't know what to do with him.

2433
02:05:15,900 --> 02:05:19,100
Like they knew what to do with. 
Yeah, good on me. 

2434
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:22,700
Yeah, I feel like they knew what
to do with him way more than 

2435
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:25,000
they knew how to do with Eugene,
they definitely clapped. 

2436
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:30,100
When he wrapped his scenes like 
they just like you're finished, 

2437
02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:31,400
you're done and we've wrapped 
this nicely. 

2438
02:05:32,900 --> 02:05:35,500
Yeah. 
But then I like I thought when a

2439
02:05:35,500 --> 02:05:38,600
Sheen was hurt and she was kind 
of away for a few episodes 

2440
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:39,900
because she was hurt, which is 
random. 

2441
02:05:39,900 --> 02:05:41,500
Yeah. 
And you didn't have her around 

2442
02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:43,200
if you were just doing I. 
First of all I would love a 

2443
02:05:43,208 --> 02:05:46,300
spin-off of so many these 
characters to exist again in my 

2444
02:05:46,300 --> 02:05:48,900
fanfic of my mind that while I 
would never, I will never write 

2445
02:05:48,900 --> 02:05:52,000
but I would like to know what 
they do but when she's gone it's

2446
02:05:52,008 --> 02:05:53,100
kind of like. 
Okay bye. 

2447
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:57,700
But then it's like yeah, like 
how would they have ended 

2448
02:05:57,700 --> 02:06:00,900
quote-unquote her story to like 
if we kept calling her through 

2449
02:06:00,900 --> 02:06:02,700
until she probably eventually 
dies. 

2450
02:06:02,700 --> 02:06:04,200
I don't know what else. 
Really gets imprisoned or 

2451
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:04,800
something. 
I don't know. 

2452
02:06:04,808 --> 02:06:06,900
What else, what happened to her?
Yeah. 

2453
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,400
I kind of thought the same thing
of like there's nowhere else for

2454
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:10,800
her to go almost. 
Yeah. 

2455
02:06:10,900 --> 02:06:13,000
And even like keeping Eugene 
around or not. 

2456
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:15,900
Yeah, after three years when 
he's in prison there's like 

2457
02:06:15,900 --> 02:06:18,600
nothing else left for him to do.
Yeah. 

2458
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:21,700
Like he's lost. 
Some Edge and I don't know, it 

2459
02:06:21,700 --> 02:06:25,500
was that many the show should 
have just ended what around 

2460
02:06:25,500 --> 02:06:27,200
then, you know. 
Yeah. 

2461
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:30,900
And had a weird sort of stinger 
with like, and Japanese the 

2462
02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:33,700
Japanese forces took over a 
Dethrone, the king and whatever 

2463
02:06:33,700 --> 02:06:36,100
year. 
And like, the trial was weird to

2464
02:06:36,100 --> 02:06:38,200
his trial. 
The trial was, oh, God. 

2465
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:41,800
No one can do a good energy. 
But I'm telling you this right 

2466
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:47,700
now, the American like Americans
are the only ones who can do an 

2467
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:51,300
American trial in In. 
Okay, then I watch my eyes, can 

2468
02:06:51,300 --> 02:06:53,900
see the accent. 
I'm telling you like, the 

2469
02:06:53,900 --> 02:06:56,500
portrayal of this trial was like
Bonkers. 

2470
02:06:56,500 --> 02:07:00,800
I was like, okay, so there's 
four people there in this like 

2471
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:04,200
jury. 
Nobody else in here and I just 

2472
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:09,900
seen like, like, uh, time so 
many issues really, that's what 

2473
02:07:09,900 --> 02:07:11,700
I'm saying. 
Like this whole show was great, 

2474
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:13,200
but then has like so many 
issues. 

2475
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:14,800
Those like, I don't know. 
Yeah, take away. 

2476
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:18,100
Some Soju bottles for me and 
what you did. 

2477
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,600
All right, Nina. 
We've been here like for over 

2478
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:22,600
two hours. 
I think we're done, I think 

2479
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:28,200
we've talked about so many 
things, we chewed on the fat a 

2480
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:31,800
lot for the show. 
And I think that if you are 

2481
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:34,200
listening and you've listened 
this far, please, like let us 

2482
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:36,400
know what the hell. 
You thought about mr. 

2483
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:41,000
Sunshine, like reach out to us 
and let us know what you thought

2484
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:42,700
of the episode. 
If you made some points that you

2485
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:44,900
hadn't thought of, if you want 
to contribute to the 

2486
02:07:44,900 --> 02:07:47,300
conversation, you felt like you 
needed to jump in at some point.

2487
02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:50,800
Like let us know. 
Tell us Us and apologies, have 

2488
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:53,500
any of the history I gave us a 
little inaccurate or Off the 

2489
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:56,200
Mark, or something says trying 
to read and interpret it all for

2490
02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:58,500
this recording. 
So, you know, obviously don't 

2491
02:07:58,500 --> 02:08:00,500
have the full knowledge and 
background. 

2492
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:02,700
Yeah. 
I think in their next lives are 

2493
02:08:02,700 --> 02:08:07,400
all going to be okay, though. 
Hopefully, they're all meeting 

2494
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:10,400
in heaven, they're all meeting. 
However, it happened a good on. 

2495
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:12,800
They had this whole thing was 
like, walking off his Spirit was

2496
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:16,700
literally walking away. 
Oh yeah, he's sorry, he's buying

2497
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:18,900
dreary surreal. 
He's like, yeah, they when they 

2498
02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:20,600
come back, Enough like everybody
else. 

2499
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:22,200
Just died. 
And yeah, that was it. 

2500
02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:25,000
Yeah, you got like a Corporal 
Spirit like just walk out. 

2501
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:28,600
Like they love them to have. 
You could tell the rider, the 

2502
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:32,900
beauty they really loved. 
Good job, Mase character, and, 

2503
02:08:32,900 --> 02:08:35,300
you know, then again, have stood
up acting. 

2504
02:08:35,300 --> 02:08:38,500
This was so to me, I don't watch
as many dramas as you do, 

2505
02:08:38,500 --> 02:08:41,400
because I don't have the time 
for that, but I would love to 

2506
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:44,600
and also, I kind of am curious 
if you thought there actually 

2507
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:45,600
was good, as I thought it was 
maybe. 

2508
02:08:45,600 --> 02:08:46,500
Oh yeah. 
It was good. 

2509
02:08:46,500 --> 02:08:49,200
Really good. 
Amazing history. 

2510
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,400
Yeah, 10/10 the acting for the 
acting. 

2511
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:55,500
Okay, I think we're good Mina. 
Thank you. 

2512
02:08:55,500 --> 02:08:59,100
Thank you so much for coming on 
this show for being so gracious 

2513
02:08:59,100 --> 02:09:02,500
about the hurricane and for 
being very flexible. 

2514
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:05,300
Where can people find you 
online? 

2515
02:09:05,300 --> 02:09:07,600
If they haven't listened to the 
novel era episode and already 

2516
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:12,600
looked you up, Yes, please find 
me on Kpop bookshelf on 

2517
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:13,800
Instagram. 
That's mainly why? 

2518
02:09:13,800 --> 02:09:17,200
I'm, I'm really bad at tweeting 
but I am capable shelf POD at 

2519
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:19,200
gmail.com. 
If you want to email me about 

2520
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:21,200
bookshelf pot, I think that's my
Twitter handle. 

2521
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:24,300
I don't even know. 
But, yeah, check it out. 

2522
02:09:24,300 --> 02:09:27,500
I cover a lot of not just Kpop 
stuff, but other stuff to try to

2523
02:09:27,500 --> 02:09:30,300
understand things like he 
dramas, and Korea, and Korean 

2524
02:09:30,300 --> 02:09:33,700
culture Society all that stuff. 
So, check it out. 

2525
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:36,300
Uh, thank you and I think that's
it. 

2526
02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:40,100
That's our show, I'm Jessica, 
and this has been ATC presents 

2527
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:53,800
devic are Rambles podcast. 
Your costume me to your soul. 

2528
02:09:57,300 --> 02:10:02,600
See your face. 
See your eyes. 

2529
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:24,500
My name is Puma longer. 
Because I told you you could 

2530
02:10:24,500 --> 02:10:53,600
come too. 
Choking. 

2531
02:10:52,808 --> 02:10:53,600
Choking.