1 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,560 I'm Jessica and this is Pebaki Rambles, where a couple of 2 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,880 friends review Korean dramas and we're back out of hiatus really 3 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,600 fast. To do a review with two of my 4 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,960 really good friends, I've got Sammy from Korean from contact 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,200 slash BL Buddies podcast. Hey Sammy, what's up? 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,880 And I have Liliana with me from Tian Soju podcast. 7 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,120 How are you Liliana? I'm. 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,160 Good. Thank you. 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,040 How are you? I'm doing well, so we were just 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,520 giggling before we got on this podcast talking about a whole 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,400 other thing which is only for Love, the currently airing sea 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,840 drama with Wong Hoodie and by Liliu. 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Yeah, so we'll just be. I'll just switch my. 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,120 Brain. Yeah, I'll just be switching my 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,920 brain. I've out switched. 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,720 We've been, yeah. So we basically have to change 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,520 gears here to talk about Duna. And the reason why we're doing 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,600 this podcast is because Sammy really wanted to talk about 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:21,960 Duna. And she was like, are you going 20 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:23,480 to cover Duna? Have you watched it? 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,600 And I was like, no, I hadn't. And then Liliana was also like 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,680 I'll volunteers tribute to talk about Duno with you guys. 23 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:36,480 So then this trio like came to be and I have not made it a 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,200 secret about my feelings on Duna as I've been watching. 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,480 It's taken me longer than usual to watch 9 episodes of a show, 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,840 but we are finally here to talk about it, hash it out and just 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,840 have a good time. So before we do, if this is your 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,600 first time listening, thank you so much. 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Go ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app. 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,960 We're on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcast and many more. 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,120 And if you like us, please give us a review on Apple Podcasts 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,920 and Spotify. 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You can check out the page on 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,160 patreon.com/always Critic Pod and thank you. 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,640 Shout out to our patrons, Curtis, Bale, Cindy, CD, Alana, 42 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:39,640 Grace, Lorna, Caitlin, Sammy, Tanmay, Michelle Adya and Erin, 43 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,680 thank you so much for being patrons. 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,880 So I'll just go ahead and give the Asian Wiki synopsis, go 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,760 through the cast, which is not very extensive, and then we'll 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,360 just like get into it. OK. 47 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,120 Sounds good ladies. Yeah, I'm ready. 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:01,280 I'm already laughing, OK, the Asian Wiki synopsis reads. 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,240 Yi Duna was a member of an idol girl group. 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,000 She was the main vocalist and the most popular member of the 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,400 group, but she suddenly announced her retirement. 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,480 She now stays at a shared house located near university and 53 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,240 rarely goes out. Meanwhile, Yi Wanjun is a 54 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,160 university student. He's warm hearted ordinary. 55 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,320 The most fact that they call him ordinary. 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,160 It's pretty funny. OK, warm hearted ordinary young 57 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,000 man without anything special in his background. 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,080 He begins to stay at the shared house where either not resides. 59 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,280 His warm heart gives either not comfort. 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:34,800 They get attracted to each other. 61 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,240 That's basically it. So that's that's it. 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,480 That's the story. That sums it up perfect. 63 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,920 That's all nine episodes. Yeah, so it aired on October 64 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,880 20th, 2023. So we are less than a month 65 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,040 after its complete airing. All nine episodes dropped at the 66 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,520 same time on Netflix. It is directed by actually a 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,200 very like, prolific director. We have Yi Jung Kyo and he's 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,560 directed. Romance is a bonus book. 69 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,120 The Good Wife, My First Time, A Witch's Love, Heartless City In 70 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,160 Need of Romance 2012. But most importantly, this man 71 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,640 is directed Crash landing on you. 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,040 That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, but. 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,600 One of my faves. Aha. 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,480 Are you in like 50 million other? 75 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,320 People I know, right? I know, so popular. 76 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,800 So it was written by Minsong A, who also wrote the web comic 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,840 that this is based on, which I believe is called The Girl 78 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:38,120 Downstairs. And who is the Girl Downstairs? 79 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:40,920 It is BAE Susie. She plays Duna. 80 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,320 She's been in Anna, Startup Vagabond while you were sleeping 81 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,720 uncontrollably fond goo family book Dream High. 82 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,320 We've actually covered This is the 4th drama from Susie that 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,840 we've covered on the podcast 'cause we did Dream High while 84 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,880 you Were sleeping and startups. So there's episodes for each one 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,080 of the shows in the back catalog. 86 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,680 How do you guys feel about her? How do you guys feel about 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,360 Susie? I think A big, like breath. 88 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,960 Before because like I will say she's a very, like, divisive 89 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,920 actress. Like lots of people really love 90 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,800 her When they really, really love her, Like they are very 91 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,840 vocal about it. That's great. 92 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,600 I think she's improved from earlier dramas. 93 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,760 I mean, she's not necessarily an actress that I'm like, Oh my 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,080 God, it's Susie. I need to check that drama out, 95 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,840 if that makes sense. But I will say I have seen quite 96 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:43,400 a few dramas of hers. I saw, you know, while we were 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,560 sleeping and I saw start up and I feel like she has slowly been 98 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,920 improving on her acting. So yeah, that's all I that's my 99 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,000 two sides. I think I. 100 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,600 Think I have to. I have to agree. 101 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,920 I mean, I did. I think while we were sleeping 102 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,080 was probably the first one I saw her in and. 103 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,800 I I enjoyed her, but I wasn't like, Oh my God, like you said, 104 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,240 I'm going to follow her everything she comes out with 105 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,920 kind of thing. But I yeah, I agree that she's 106 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,920 gotten better in her acting. This character in and of itself 107 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,720 was kind of like bland. So I didn't feel like she needed 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,160 to act a lot. Yes. 109 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,760 So I've my thoughts on Susie are so well documented because we've 110 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,000 done 3 episodes now on a show at first. 111 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,640 But yeah, she's improved over time. 112 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,960 But I personally can't get over like, it's Susie, right? 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,200 I'm never lost. And like, Oh my God, I didn't 114 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,480 even realize that that was Susie. 115 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,440 She was like totally different character. 116 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,520 I was so immersed in her performance. 117 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,160 Never, never, never. I'm always like, oh look, it's 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,680 Susie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:04,200 I'm never bamboozled, never hoodwinked into whatever role 120 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,560 that she's playing. And I think her best. 121 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,560 I think her best show is start up. 122 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,240 To be quite honest, I thought I had problems with while you were 123 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,440 sleeping and it was more plot than her in particular. 124 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,280 And then dream high. Like if you go back and listen 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,440 to that episode, we really ranked on her and her 126 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,720 performance. It was just terrible. 127 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,880 That was the first thing she was ever in. 128 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,720 That was 2010. It's now been 13 years, and I'm 129 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,760 still a little bit like, where's the, you know, people improve 130 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,720 for less, People improve, project to project. 131 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,840 And I feel like it's just marginal for her in this role. 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,480 She's playing almost like a facsimile of herself because she 133 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:51,080 used to be AK Pop Idol. So she is a former K Pop Idol. 134 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,280 She knows how to sing and dance. She was trained and JYP which is 135 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,440 a whole nother thing but. Yeah, you know, this feels like, 136 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,760 I don't know if you guys saw that movie. 137 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:07,440 Marry me with Jlo. Oh, and Owen Conagh? 138 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I. 139 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Have Wilson, Owen, Wilson. Yeah, yeah. 140 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:18,160 Where Jlo's playing an aging pop star with a very similar 141 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,560 aesthetic to her own Jlo career in real life. 142 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,600 And she was dealing with a lot of the same issues that she 143 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,520 deals with in her regular life. So it felt very on brand. 144 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,600 And she, Jlo excelled in that role because it was playing off 145 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,880 of the own. Her own. 146 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Yeah. So this show could have done the 147 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,840 same. I think it could have been like, 148 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Oh my God, like this is so revelatory and all this stuff. 149 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,280 And wow, she really understands like the concept and it's so 150 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:55,480 meta and whatever else. No, I didn't necessarily. 151 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,400 Feel like that. But she plays opposite Yang 152 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,520 Sejong who plays one June, the student that gets a They have an 153 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,120 attraction and he's been in a lot of stuff like doctor, 154 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,960 romantic, dual temperature of love, still 17 in my country, 155 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,600 the new Age. How do you guys feel about this 156 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,720 guy? Have you seen him in a lot of 157 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,040 stuff? I think I've watched him in a 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,040 couple of things. I watched him in Temperature of 159 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Love and Doctor Romantic and still 17 as well. 160 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,040 I think still 17 is probably one of his best roles to date. 161 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,360 That is a really, really, really good drama. 162 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,440 But then again, his leading lady leaves for no question in that 163 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:43,200 one. So yeah, I I don't know. 164 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,400 Like he's OK again. I've enjoyed his role so far, 165 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,840 but it's not like somebody that, you know, I'm chasing after 166 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,760 every every, you know, for every, every drama that he does, 167 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,480 right? This was actually my first time 168 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,880 watching a drama with him in it, OK? 169 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,480 And I really enjoyed him. I thought he was. 170 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,120 I like how they kind of described him as plain. 171 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,760 And, you know, I don't know, I guess I kind of liked that 172 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,120 aspect about him. Because, yeah, he wasn't. 173 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,880 He was like, I think it made it slightly more believable. 174 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,640 It wasn't this like stunning man, you know, just all of a 175 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,760 sudden being a college kid, it was just an an average guy. 176 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,880 He's very handsome, average guy, but just just an average guy. 177 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,600 So I did, I did like him and I thought he definitely acted a 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:41,280 lot better than Susie did. I I I connected more to him. 179 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,560 I felt his feelings. More than hers. 180 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 So yeah, I think that I, I did like him and I probably would go 181 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,080 back, 'cause I I do know that temperature of love. 182 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,440 I've seen like bits and pieces of it, and it looked really 183 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,840 good. So I might, like, go back, yeah. 184 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,720 So I might go back and watch some of his stuff. 185 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,200 Yeah. I also watched my country, The 186 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,920 New Age. I didn't finish it because. 187 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,040 And you should watch it. Oh my God, Sam, 'cause it has 188 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,000 who? The one in it. 189 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,680 Yes. Oh wait, that is he the the 190 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,120 opposite lead. Oh my God, I didn't even. 191 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,960 OK, I do know him then. I've seen, I've seen bits and 192 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,480 pieces. Then I do know him. 193 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,320 I didn't even realize that was him. 194 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,120 Yeah. Oh wow. 195 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,080 It's like a long haired, wusha type hero. 196 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,520 So definitely give that a shot. It was just kind of like super 197 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,520 heavy. And it was, I don't know, like I 198 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,520 just wasn't feeling it. So maybe I should go back and 199 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,320 watch it, 'cause I dropped it like at episode like 8 or 200 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,480 something and it was a 20 episode show with like hour long 201 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,120 episode 20. Episode shows are killing me 202 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,480 now, man, girl, tell me about it. 203 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,040 So. That being said. 204 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Minus the Chinese dramas that go from 50 plus, you know, like. 205 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,320 I was about to. Say a drama realm. 206 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,200 Yeah, I I I think also it's because when it comes to K 207 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,200 dramas, it's so rare for it to be an hour or less. 208 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,600 It's like an hour 10. Some of them are pushing an hour 209 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,800 20 an hour and a half. And I'm just like I can't do 210 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,120 this. Like I need it to be at maximum 211 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,200 do an hour. I can do with, you know I can 212 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,040 deal with that an hour is OK. Even though like my sweet spot 213 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,960 for an episode is like 40 to 45 minutes but I know K dramas 214 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,920 don't do that. So an hour. 215 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 But no they they just love pushing it to like an hour 10 an 216 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,120 hour 20 or you know do a hospital playlist and do like 217 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,960 almost two hours per episode And I'm like, I can't. 218 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 I can't the. Movie is calm down. 219 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,640 It's insane. So I dropped a Spaniard show one 220 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,560 time and it was such a good show, but each episode was 221 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,720 almost two hours long and I was like, I can't sit here for two 222 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,160 hours and watch one. It's. 223 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Wild my my my partner watched for some reason got hooked on 224 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:01,040 this like Turkish show and it's like 52 episodes, 2 1/2 hours 225 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,360 each, 2 1/2 hours each, 50 plus episodes and he watched the 226 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,040 whole thing and I'm like I don't understand it's that is that is 227 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,200 that is commitment. Yeah, I've only watched one 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,760 Turkish. This is such a side tango. 229 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,680 But I've only watched one Turkish show and I couldn't 230 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:17,600 finish it because it was so long. 231 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,960 The episodes were so long, but I still remember the the leading 232 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,800 lady. Her character's name was Fadi 233 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,320 Day. Does that ring any bells for 234 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,680 anybody? I can't remember what it's 235 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,840 called for the life of me. Anyway, if you're listening and 236 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,840 you know what Turkish drama I'm talking about, please, like hit 237 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,520 me up and be like you watch this. 238 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Because I couldn't finish it. It was wonderful, but I couldn't 239 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,040 finish it. OK, so anyway, what did you guys 240 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,960 think about Duna? And I don't know. 241 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,480 Who wants to go first? I will go last everyone. 242 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:51,600 First, because I think I'm going to be like the middle ground 243 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,080 here. Because I reckon Sam loves this 244 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,960 show. Jess doesn't necessarily like 245 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,800 this show and I'm like the meh. It's like, you know I didn't 246 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:09,320 particularly have that explosive feelings towards it either way. 247 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,720 I was just like, you know, I I I will say I finished it because 248 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,640 we were recording this because otherwise I would I would just 249 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,200 be like I I don't I it's not there's nothing really grabbing 250 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,640 me. But yeah, it's not like I was. 251 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,120 Isn't that invested? Like it's literally you know 252 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,560 that sound when you just go, you know, it's it's like it's middle 253 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,760 ground, middle of the ground, so to speak. 254 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,000 So yeah, that's my my thoughts on it. 255 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,760 You're just kind of meh. Yeah, like I don't. 256 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,800 I don't know why it I. We'll get into it into in the 257 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,080 spoilers, because I feel like I'll probably spoil some things 258 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,640 if I explain why that's my reaction. 259 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:55,680 So without like spoilering anything I think like also I did 260 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,040 binge this yesterday like I watched it all in one sitting. 261 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,360 I I was very deliberate with my not. 262 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,000 I didn't Fast forward, but I did put it on like a 1.75 speed. 263 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,720 At one point I was just like I this is fine. 264 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,760 They speak. Very slowly. 265 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,680 So I can keep up with it. Like if I can keep up with 266 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,000 Chinese dramas when they're going 10 miles an hour speaking, 267 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,000 I I can deal with this one, which was like they, I feel like 268 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,800 they deliberately spoke slowly, like throughout the drama. 269 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,480 So I was like, you know, I can speed it up, It's fine. 270 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,400 So yeah, that that's how I binge this whole thing yesterday. 271 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,040 In one sitting. I don't know if it would have 272 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,040 affected me if I had watched it like an episode a day or 273 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,080 something like that, if it would have, if my feelings would have 274 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,920 been slightly different. But yeah, that was my two cents 275 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,200 on it. Like, I didn't think it was the 276 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,040 worst thing I've ever watched. But it's by no means the best 277 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,960 thing I've ever watched either. It's like a very middle of the 278 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:04,400 ground. More towards the lower end 279 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,120 rather than the. Higher end, yeah, the lower. 280 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,440 End rather than the higher end. So, yeah. 281 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:17,680 All right, Sammy, talk to me. Well, OK, I it's OK Where do I 282 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,760 begin? Because I did. 283 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,000 I really did enjoy it. But I understand why people 284 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,280 don't. And I and I can almost agree on 285 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,000 some points like. Actually a lot of points like. 286 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,920 I agree with her. It wasn't this riveting, like, 287 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,760 you know, amazing drama. But for some reason I feel like 288 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,400 I just. I really something about it just 289 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,120 like hit me. I don't know what it is because 290 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,360 like I I completely understand why people didn't like it. 291 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:58,400 But for me it it just like. I'm not going to spoil because I 292 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,080 don't want to spoil like, she said. 293 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,240 We'll wait for that. There was there was points where 294 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,319 I was very angry and there was points where I was like, I hate 295 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:12,400 this show and then I was like, but at the same time the reason 296 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,520 I hate it is why I like it. So that's it's kind of like that 297 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,839 that that feeling I would and I I would almost say I'm in that 298 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,599 same middle range. As Liliana, but on the other 299 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,720 side of I would recommend it. I did enjoy it, you know, I 300 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,200 would like tell people to watch. It I I kept thinking, do you by 301 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,960 any chance think because it's. I don't know how to phrase this, 302 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,280 but because you write books that are kind of like almost in the 303 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,400 same world, they're not the same by any chance, but you know. 304 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,560 And then they would that affect or skew like your opinion of it 305 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,200 do you think? It could have simply because I 306 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,640 am writing AK Pop series right now that maybe I was like oh AK 307 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,160 Pop Idol. I need all the inspiration and 308 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,040 this is great and kind of thing. So maybe it could have skewed my 309 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,240 my view. Yeah, I never thought of that. 310 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,160 But yeah, that could be could be a reason. 311 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,720 It's an interesting take, Liliana. 312 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:26,920 I do not go ahead books and again like I've watched a lot of 313 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,600 musical K dramas, as I said in the Dream High episode, and 314 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,000 they're usually pretty pretty fun if nothing else. 315 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:42,480 And I think I was expecting it to be a little more lively, I 316 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,960 guess. And it wasn't. 317 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,480 It was more of a quiet show. And there's nothing wrong with 318 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,920 quiet shows. I love quiet shows. 319 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,760 Like, I just talked recently about my liberation notes and I 320 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,960 love that show. It's very quiet, introspective, 321 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,640 probing. And the show duna is not that, 322 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:09,960 even if it wants to be. So I think it was boring the 323 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,480 most, the best, the worst crime I think is that it's boring to 324 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,880 me and that nothing really happens. 325 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:21,440 It's literally just episode upon episode of Susie outside chain 326 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,000 smoking in near freezing temperatures and. 327 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,760 Very little clothes, scantily clad, a lack of clothing, 328 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,120 alarming lack of clothing. And then Yang Sejong just coming 329 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:41,680 upon her and being riveted for some reason by this pop star out 330 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,400 of her element. And I there's nothing to latch 331 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,280 onto to me for either character because they don't really go 332 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,080 into that much detail. Every bit of back story that you 333 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,720 have for each character is told in these sort of flashbacks. 334 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,320 And when I mean flashbacks, it's not like a big scene. 335 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,800 It's literally flashes of story, like a little vignette here, a 336 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,840 little thing here. Never a complete scene that 337 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,120 gives you the full context. And so you just kind of have to 338 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,400 make of it what you will and connect the dots. 339 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,520 And in a nine episode show, you'd think this would be really 340 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,120 tight. I was like they have space here 341 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:29,440 to expound and actually tell us some of the story and get to the 342 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,200 meat of the issues and either one of their traumas so to 343 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,200 speak, or like what they're what they're kind of running away 344 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,600 from. And I don't think they ever got 345 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,720 there and it was just sort of implied. 346 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,280 Why are we implying like just like this isn't a 16 episode 347 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,880 show, this is a nine episode show. 348 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,840 And why is there still empty space? 349 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,400 I think also for me, there was a lot of like side characters that 350 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,760 were not necessarily needed in the drama. 351 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:06,160 I would have rather them have like focused completely on our 352 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,560 main couple and their story. Because at the end of the day, 353 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,440 without knowing where these characters come from, there's no 354 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,360 way you're going to be able to connect them and like believe in 355 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,280 their relationship and why they were kind of like so dependent 356 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,080 on each other for that amount of time. 357 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,440 Like you can see it, but it's not. 358 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,040 Do you know it's not like hard set in stone if that makes 359 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,640 sense. So I I thought there was a lot 360 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,040 of time used elsewhere that wasn't necessarily needed and I 361 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,200 don't, I was about to say I don't think I've, I don't watch 362 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,200 a lot of like K pop based dramas. 363 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,480 But for example there was one and I think it was either last 364 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,440 year or the year before and it's called Le Coupe or something. 365 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,520 Did you guys watch that one? No, I don't. 366 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,640 Think so. This is another show and it's 367 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,280 always. Nodding my head, no, no, no, 368 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,960 it's I can't remember what it's called now, but that's I think 369 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,360 it's something called lacoop or something and. 370 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,440 That is what made me think about this drama is because that is 371 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,440 about a failing girl group and they're about to be like 372 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,480 disbanded and they say we are going to turn this around but 373 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,040 after we hit a number one, we will still disband. 374 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,680 And they did such a beautiful like pacing and that's a 12 375 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,320 episode. So it's only like 3 more 376 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,000 episodes than Duna and they touch on a lot of things that 377 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,240 Duna touch. Pictures on. 378 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,800 But they do it so beautifully and they do it like really 379 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,200 nuanced and what not. So when I was watching this, I 380 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,560 kept thinking this could be as good as that one, but it's not. 381 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,880 So I in the back of my mind, I kept like thinking about that 382 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,120 one. I'm going to have to look up the 383 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,200 name of it. It's called Idol, the Coupe. 384 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the one. 385 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,240 It's a fairly like underrated K drama for me. 386 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,800 I think. OK, but. 387 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,080 It's basically it is set in the K pop world and like I said, it 388 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,960 is about a girl group who is failing miserably called Cotton 389 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080 Candy. Yeah. 390 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,160 And their company is about to like disband them. 391 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,280 And there's a lot they talk about stalkers, they talk about, 392 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,640 you know, sassangs. They talk about a lot of things 393 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,280 from the industry that Doona kind of like touched on so 394 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,520 quick. Yeah, it hints that so quickly. 395 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,120 And yeah, I think that one did a better job. 396 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Handling like those storylines. So while I was watching this, I 397 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,400 I will say I may be very biased because it kept me bringing back 398 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,680 to that drama and thinking this could have been like, I know 399 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,360 there's a way to do this better. They just didn't quite land it 400 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960 in Doona, I think. I agree. 401 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,480 I think you know. I also agree with the whole 402 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,880 There was characters that I don't think we're necessary, and 403 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,920 if they were supposed to be necessary. 404 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,040 That should have been made way more apparent in like the 405 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,400 beginning. It was just kind of like they 406 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,960 just kind of got kept getting thrown in randomly and you're 407 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,240 like, wait, why did this person just come into the plot line and 408 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,560 then just leave the plot line? And I I do get that. 409 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,360 Yeah, the mom. Yeah, the mom. 410 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,880 Yeah, I I even had that as a note that I said. 411 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,760 I was like, why is she even here? 412 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,800 Like you mentioned her, such a big name to Kim Sung Young. 413 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,760 Exactly. You could have mentioned her, 414 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,680 left it at she was a shitty parent, and then just never 415 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,200 brought it. Like never. 416 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,120 You know, expounded on that. But you brought her in to just 417 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,120 already reaffirm that when that space, like you said, could have 418 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,080 been filled with something else, like their relationship, 419 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,120 figuring out whatever. Yeah, I think that this 420 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:58,320 relationship, this couple, they just like the idea of each 421 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,200 other. Yeah, and they never really got 422 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,080 to know each other ever. They are a little bit toxic in 423 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,920 my mind because they are very, very reliant on each other. 424 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,440 She needs him to heal herself, if that makes sense. 425 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,400 And he kind of needs her a little bit as well. 426 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,400 And then you see the reversal towards the end where she's 427 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,800 like. You know, I don't quite need you 428 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,920 anymore, but I want you. And it's like, well, that should 429 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,360 have been the case kind of like all along. 430 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,080 Because if you're reliant on somebody else for that happiness 431 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,440 and that that relationship is like doomed to to to fail in a 432 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,080 sense like, I understand. I also think like one of the 433 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,760 themes. And this is like my take away 434 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 from, you know, the drama as a whole. 435 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,280 I think one of the themes that they were trying to work on was 436 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,200 like timing and how timing is so key in like relationships in 437 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,840 general. Like when they first meet, she 438 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,160 kind of needs them. It's like, you know, that's 439 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,720 their timing to, you know, because she needs them. 440 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,920 But later on, she doesn't anymore. 441 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,400 Like that relationship just doesn't sit well anymore in the 442 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,400 time in their lives that they are at that point. 443 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,440 But but yeah, I I don't know. I don't know. 444 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,840 I feel like this was slow and fast all at the same time. 445 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,520 The pacing was off, especially the last three episodes. 446 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,880 I was like, I this is ridiculous. 447 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,360 I don't expect this out of AK drama. 448 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,480 I you know, K dramas are known for. 449 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,840 Being good. Like to me at least, like when I 450 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,440 think of a K drama, I think of really good storytelling in 451 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,640 general and by norm, not all the time, but by norm. 452 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,480 They tend to have like, you know, good pacing and storyline 453 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,040 and whatnot, and this just felt like a little bit all over the 454 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,000 place. A little bit. 455 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,200 I know a little bit. The first, Yeah, that's the one 456 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,440 I was looking for. Like for the first six episodes 457 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,200 we were telling one story, and then for the last three episodes 458 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,160 we wanted to cram in everything. Yes. 459 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,040 So we told 50 stories at the same time. 460 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:10,120 And I'm like, this is not good editing. 461 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,320 This is not good storytelling like. 462 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,280 I just, there's no need for it. There is no need for it. 463 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,440 And like all of a sudden, everybody's story matters and we 464 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,800 need to know what's happening to every character. 465 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,240 And I'm like, we don't. We really don't like, we don't. 466 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,320 So yeah, I have other thoughts, but I'm like, I I don't want to 467 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,560 spoil. I don't know the spoil section. 468 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Yeah, I think that the pacing issues really stem from the 469 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560 writing, and it's written by the web comic Minsonga. 470 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,200 And unfortunately you see this all the time. 471 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,960 And like the West too is, you can't have if you don't. 472 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,640 If you write books, you don't necessarily automatically know 473 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,120 how to write a screenplay. And that's the case of, here's a 474 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,360 great example, JK Rowling with the fantastic Beast series. 475 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,200 That is a train wreck of ignoring all the controversy 476 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,320 around JK Rowling. Those Fantastic Beasts movies 477 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,280 are hot trash, and it's because she was the sole screenwriter on 478 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,320 it. And. 479 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,200 I never watched them, so I have no idea. 480 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,720 Oh God. Well, I'm have been blessed to 481 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,760 have watched all two of those movies and thank God they have 482 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,560 totally done away with that franchise. 483 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,920 They're not trying to make more movies because they're they just 484 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:35,560 suck so bad. And it's the same for, jeez, no, 485 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,360 this doesn't. This is, I was going to invoke 486 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,200 George Lucas. I don't want to do that because 487 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,400 what I mean is you need to have, you know an editor or somebody 488 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560 that's there telling you no or some kind of sounding board. 489 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,680 And usually authors are just doing, you know, they have their 490 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,120 own outline. They have things they want to 491 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,480 accomplish. They have characters that are 492 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,400 their favourites and they write to that and then when it goes to 493 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,360 a publisher, they edit it. Yeah, but for screenplays, 494 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 there's no screenplay. Like, there's no hierarchy in a 495 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,120 screenplay, right? It's however it is like it's all 496 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,880 loosey, goosey. They might bring in someone 497 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,720 later to jazz it up and change, make some changes and it go 498 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,680 through multiple hands. But at the end of the day, it's 499 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,240 all case by case, and her being the slow screenwriter on this 500 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,560 makes me think they were like, oh, we'd love your webtoon, 501 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960 we're going to adapt it into a show. 502 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,520 Why don't you write the screenplay? 503 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,920 And there was like nobody else saying. 504 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Hey, this is not a good idea. Paced like she started. 505 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160 I felt like it was almost like she started writing it. 506 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,360 She was like, oh, I can get through this, you know, blah 507 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,080 blah, blah the like. The pacing was good for six 508 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,320 episodes good. And to me, well, the pacing was 509 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,280 good. And then all of a sudden, like 510 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,040 you said, they rushed all these characters and they rushed all 511 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,120 these plot lines in that if they had been built up throughout 512 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,200 those first six episodes, it wouldn't have felt rushed. 513 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,560 So I almost was like she was writing these six episodes and 514 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,920 went, oh crap, I only have three left, OK, just put everything 515 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,720 else in here. I'm not going to focus on, just 516 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,480 get it all in. Like I got to fix it all the 517 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,760 characters and blah, blah, blah. So yeah, it felt like a dream as 518 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,920 well. Like, I don't know why the whole 519 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,400 show feels like a dream sequence. 520 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,600 Yeah, it doesn't feel. I think, again, I think that's 521 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,840 the way it was filmed. I think that's the way it was. 522 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,880 Shy. Yeah. 523 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Yeah. OK. 524 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,640 So I don't have really have that many other things to say other 525 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,400 than like, I was very displeased by this show. 526 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,840 I probably would have dropped it had I not been like been boozled 527 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,240 into doing this episode. So I I want to thank you guys 528 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,000 for, you know, watching this show with me. 529 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,880 I think Liliana was the only other person on here that was 530 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920 like, I would have dropped it. I would have. 531 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000 We have integrity people. We watched the whole. 532 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Thing I didn't even watch it on a faster speed I. 533 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,120 Oh, I did regular speed and I was very distraught because. 534 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,920 And then the other thing was I didn't think that they had 535 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,000 chemistry. Did you guys feel like this? 536 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,800 This couple had tremendous amount of chemistry and it was 537 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,520 worth. It I watched. 538 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,200 I for me, I don't think it's necessarily a, again, actor, 539 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,400 actress problem. In this case it stems from the 540 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,960 writing I think because I am a firm believer in to, you know, a 541 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880 good actor and a good actress can't make a script good it. 542 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,040 There's just no way they can. And I feel like because to that 543 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,320 point we haven't really seen them build the relationship or 544 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,200 anything like that. Their story hasn't been told 545 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,680 well for me personally. I wasn't really that invested. 546 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,560 And if I'm not invested they can have like the best on screen 547 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,720 chemistry. It's probably not going to work 548 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,880 for me because I'm like, you know, I'm not invested in this. 549 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,520 Like it's not. OK, so I think they were OK. 550 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,800 But again, that I feel like that's just my impression for 551 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,680 the whole thing. It's just like it was OK, but 552 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,840 it's not even like it was OK. It's not like that, you know, 553 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,120 underwhelming. I feel like I was a little bit 554 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,880 underwhelmed with their, their chemistry. 555 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,200 So yeah. I I had moments where I liked 556 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040 their their chemistry was really good. 557 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960 And then? There were moments where I was 558 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,760 like, are these two even in the same drama, Like, and and that's 559 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,840 coming from someone who enjoys the show. 560 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,320 But, like, it's true, 'cause there was just moments where I'm 561 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,920 like, I do you two like each other. 562 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,360 And then there was other moments where it was like, oh wow, like 563 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,400 there's there's a connection here. 564 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,920 So it was very. Yeah, touch and go. 565 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720 And again, like she said, I don't know if I can necessarily 566 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,000 blame them and their acting, if it was the writing that, you 567 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,520 know, kind of steered them in that direction. 568 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,560 Right? Right. 569 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,160 I heard a crazy, bold claim on TikTok that this was some of the 570 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,640 best kissing ever in a cave drama. 571 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840 Absolutely not. Listen, my, pardon my French 572 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,920 book, get the. Fuck out of here. 573 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,400 Listen, I love. I. 574 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,720 Let's be real here. I will. 575 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,120 Sometimes start K dramas because of a kiss I saw on Instagram or 576 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,200 TikTok and I'm like, I need to know more about this and I will 577 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,360 watch the entire show that while they had their moments, 578 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,800 absolutely freaking not. Absolutely not. 579 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,800 Forget whoever said that doesn't watch K dramas. 580 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960 Or they're like they're very young and don't understand. 581 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,520 No. No. 582 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,120 Like, I will say no no, because like, I literally started the K 583 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,720 drama. Oh, revenge marriage something. 584 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,920 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect revenge marriage. 585 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,000 Yes, yes. And I'm like that is good 586 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760 chemistry. That is good build up. 587 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,600 You know I I'm all down for that one and literally I've only seen 588 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,639 three episodes and I'm like, I'm sold. 589 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:18,280 Give me more right now. So you know that's like and 590 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,400 that's that's like a muck Jung. So you know if if people are 591 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,239 hooching and chooching about a Mac Jung and chemistry in a Mac 592 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,280 Jung, you know it's going to be good. 593 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,920 And like I I will say, I will also say in defence of this 594 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,600 drama a little bit, I am watching really good dramas 595 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,960 right now. So you can't. 596 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,639 You can't. But but I do think it does 597 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,080 affect me a little bit because I'm like. 598 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,280 When when a drama, like when you're watching something that 599 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,120 you're really, really enjoying, for me personally, it works that 600 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,360 way. When you're watching something 601 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,120 that you're really, really enjoying and then like, you swap 602 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,360 to something that you're not enjoying as much. 603 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,160 And it's like it almost like the flaws become even more obvious, 604 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,400 if that makes sense. No, it makes 100% sense. 605 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,880 Because you're like, no, no, no, Because you're like, but you've 606 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000 just watched this and this works really well. 607 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,200 Like, why can't you make it work? 608 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200 So I feel like that, to me, was also the place that I was at as 609 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,840 well, because I've been. Guys, I've been, I've, I've left 610 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,880 the house Friday morning and then I've not left the house for 611 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,480 three days because I've just been in my house watching 612 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,320 dramas. It's been a great weekend. 613 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,160 So I was like, this is getting, you know, ridiculous. 614 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,600 So I feel like I was even getting more frustrated for the 615 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,000 fact that I was like I could be watching anything else right now 616 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,000 and living the time waster. Life and this is what I'm 617 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,000 watching, so this is wasting my time, is what you're saying? 618 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was. 619 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,760 It was OK. So Sammy, if you can just 620 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,240 briefly just what pinpoint exactly what you loved about the 621 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:03,560 show? I think you it actually it 622 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,080 didn't have to do with the main two couple like the main couple. 623 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,960 It actually had to do with the the one friend Jinju. 624 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,280 The the girl, I don't want to spoil it. 625 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,760 The second lead essentially I she was a character that I 626 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,320 really fell in love with. And I, you know, I was kind of I 627 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,000 was more interested in her story arc throughout the story. 628 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,960 Yes, I I did enjoy the two main characters a little, but it was 629 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,960 more I I ended up enjoying the side characters more. 630 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,880 Than the main couple by the end. And I think there was a lot of 631 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,520 lessons that you kind of learned but not fully learned through 632 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,480 every single character. And I liked those lessons. 633 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,080 I just wish that they were completed a little bit more. 634 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,400 But I think I liked I I liked Jinju. 635 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,440 She was probably my absolute favorite character. 636 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,960 Did you like the second couple? I did love the second couple. 637 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,200 I saw the 2nd couple. That's the second couple. 638 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,840 Yeah, they were. Which, which, which, who, who 639 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,840 who are? We Could so was like the workout 640 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,480 guy. The workout guy and the 641 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,120 Brazilian. Girl oh, Oh yeah, She and you 642 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,960 know the living daylights out of me, but. 643 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,480 She's very good. She was speaking Portuguese. 644 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,360 Portuguese Yeah, that's right. When you know when. 645 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,400 In the beginning when she was yelling at the at the 646 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,240 ex-boyfriend. Because she's from Brazil, like 647 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:42,480 she lived in Brazil. Oh. 648 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360 I'm going to have to have a look at that because I missed that. 649 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,800 Completely. Well, to be fair, she was 650 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,120 watching it at speed up speed because like the girl was 651 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920 intermixing Portuguese and Korean, so you might have not 652 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,200 heard the Portuguese and only heard the Korean ending of 653 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,360 things. Also there is there is like yes, 654 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,320 Brazilian Portuguese is still considered Portuguese, but if 655 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,200 you get down to the nitty gritty of it, it's very different to 656 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,320 like mainland. Europe like the one that I. 657 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360 Like Spain and like Spanish and Spain and Spain. 658 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very similar. 659 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,920 But I completely miss this. I I will have to go back. 660 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,680 That's why she was wearing, like, all the Brazil shirts. 661 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:28,240 I caught the fact that she was like, coming from Brazil and 662 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,000 whatnot. I caught all of that. 663 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,080 But I did not like, catch the She's speaking Portuguese. 664 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,640 That's really bad. Oh God, I'm going to get my 665 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,320 Portuguese card revoked at this point. 666 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,480 I thought you would for sure have an opinion on that. 667 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,240 Yeah, yeah. All right. 668 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,640 That's bugger. I'm gonna have to watch that and 669 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520 like, see how good it is or how bad it is. 670 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,120 Yeah, I at first I didn't understand like why they were 671 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,000 bringing her in, but I kind of liked her being brought in at 672 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000 this. I liked all those secondary 673 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,640 characters. I just wish that they had 674 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,480 brought them in in a more timely fashion, like they introduced 675 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,320 the two roommates, the two guy roommates. 676 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,520 Right off the bat, 'cause he gets to the thing and whatnot, 677 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,480 but then you don't really see or hear them for like 4 more 678 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,280 episodes and then they all of a sudden come back in. 679 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000 But I wanted to like grow with them. 680 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,880 And that whole house share thing on, well, that was something 681 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,560 that I saw online was that people were like, oh, I really 682 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,320 like the female relationships in this show. 683 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,600 What all 5 minutes of it that you got and I was like, what? 684 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,520 I I liked it. I wish there was more of it. 685 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000 But yeah, I can't say that that I just. 686 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,880 I think I liked the characters individually especially, like I 687 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,640 said, especially Jinju. But yeah, I think that's that's 688 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,440 why I liked the show. I liked there's there was things 689 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,840 that I felt could have impacted more, but they did make an 690 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,040 impact on me at least. Gotcha. 691 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,480 Well, I think we have come to the end of our rope here in the 692 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,120 non spoiler section, so I'm going to break for spoilers if 693 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,280 you guys are OK with that. But before we do, what would you 694 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,360 rate this show Out of Five's Hold you bottles? 695 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,600 Why do I keep laughing? Because they're like it was. 696 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,120 Because you hate it. I like it. 697 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,560 Liliana's mid about it. OK oh, since I'm mid about it I 698 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:33,000 I will go three like I really wish I would go more 2.5 but OK 699 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:43,520 2.52.5. I'd say I'd say like 42424.2 all 700 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,200 right, so 2 bottles, that's really high. 701 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,080 Look at Jessica. I was like 4. 702 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,240 Should I go 39? Should I go 3.93 point nine OK 703 00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:02,120 3393.9 All right 2 bottles 2.53 point 91.5. 704 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,360 Wow, I'm shocked you even gave it. 705 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,600 Yeah, I was like I I thought. She was going to go like point. 706 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,800 I thought she was going to go point .2 bottles. 707 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:19,200 A singular shot, 1 1/2, so 2 bottles. 708 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,880 Because if I like the second couple. 709 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,240 I thought the last episode was pretty good. 710 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,480 All the things considered. I think maybe I was just happy 711 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,320 it was over, but I was like, all right, we can move on. 712 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,120 Let's just get into the spoilers like shit. 713 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,960 So if you don't care about spoilers, keep listening. 714 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,120 If you've watched the show, keep listening and we'll see you on 715 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:48,720 the other side. You want to come in? 716 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,080 All right. We're on the other side of 717 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,240 spoilers, so I'm not sure where you guys want to start first. 718 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,080 I'm totally open. I don't even know. 719 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,280 I don't even know where to start, where to start. 720 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,440 See, this is the thing, right? This right here says everything 721 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,400 you need about this drama. It's the fact that whenever you 722 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,760 do a review about a drama and you're dying to just jump in to 723 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,120 spoilers, that shows that like, how excited you are. 724 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,080 If you're like, I don't even know where to stop and not even 725 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,680 go to weigh so. See, I know where I want to 726 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,320 start, but that seems ridiculous. 727 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,560 Yeah, you just go like it doesn't matter. 728 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,000 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 729 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400 I just agree on it. I want it to start at the end. 730 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,600 OK, let's do it. Because I have a very strong 731 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:47,040 love hate relationship with The End, simply because you know, so 732 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,200 she goes back into her idol life. 733 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,120 But why? Yeah. 734 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,280 First of all, why oh why? She goes back? 735 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,880 Wait, she I She goes back because she doesn't have the 736 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520 money to break the contract. Yeah, she can't get out of the 737 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,880 contract. Yeah, can't get out of the 738 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,800 contract, so they convince her to go back, but as a so she 739 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,320 wears up and down that that's not why she went back. 740 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,480 Yeah, but it is. It is, but it is. 741 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,000 And and well, then she also says that she started singing again. 742 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,560 They gloss over that song. I was like she. 743 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,320 Started humming. She started humming, and I was. 744 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,680 Like she was. Thinking she's humming, 745 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,640 Congrats. And then all of a sudden she 746 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,320 meets with one of her old group members and you know, the group 747 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,920 member. I again, I liked these other 748 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,320 characters because the group member goes, I know why you 749 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,560 could like I believe you that you couldn't sing, because I 750 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,240 feel that way too. And like I wish they expanded on 751 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,960 that. You know, the stress of being an 752 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,680 idol, like causing this, like panic and and you know, these 753 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,720 kinds of things that just like could destroy their career. 754 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:55,080 Simply dynamics. The group dynamics, the 755 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,720 animosity that they seem to have. 756 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,640 Towards each other and then you know that, and then that manager 757 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,240 who's an absolute piece of. Garbage for her, and I thought 758 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,440 there was something sexual going on between them and I. 759 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,800 Would have been there. Definitely is because he kind of 760 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,840 like almost. I don't I I'm gonna say he 761 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,960 almost grooms her in a way. Like he almost grooms her 762 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,520 because he approaches her when she's very, very young. 763 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,600 And I will say this kind of speaks to something in K Pop in 764 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,240 general that's happening in Korea right now. 765 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,360 It's the fact that they are having. 766 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,880 Literal kids debut and singing these over sexualized songs and 767 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,520 you know, it's ridiculous. I I think there should be a set 768 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,840 like. Age for you to be able to debut, 769 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,640 but this is very much shown in here. 770 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,840 She did not have a great childhood. 771 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,200 She, you know, her childhood was garbage and he took complete 772 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,400 advantage of that by approaching her and offering her this whole 773 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,640 new life and saying I can give you this, I can, you know, make 774 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,520 everything better and then specifically asked would be be a 775 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,560 family. Yeah, And because that's what 776 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,160 she said she was like. Yeah, because. 777 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,480 That's what she wants, that's what she's been missing and then 778 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,800 like. He abuses that. 779 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,080 He really abuses that. And then he is playing on her 780 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,480 feelings. He knows she has fallen for him, 781 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,160 but it's not like the type of love where she's in love with 782 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,400 him. She just like is so desperate to 783 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,040 have a family and everything that like this guy that she sees 784 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,840 as his savior, as a savior is like everything to her. 785 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,360 Like he is so toxic to her. And I hate the fact that the 786 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,840 drama kind of like. Made her go back into that world 787 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,920 and but the the problem with that being is it's not that it 788 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,520 made her go back into that world. 789 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,720 It's that it made her go back into that world. 790 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,680 And she was like I'm happy now and I'm like but what has really 791 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,720 changed? You haven't shown me what has 792 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,760 changed for you to be able to be happy. 793 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,960 Like you can't have the male lead come in all of a sudden, 794 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,800 he's fixed her and then like. Bye. 795 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,400 Bye. I want nothing else to do with 796 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,880 you. And now like I have my life and 797 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,680 it's exactly the same life you had previously. 798 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,840 And yet now you can sing. And yet now you can do all of 799 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,320 these things and you are happy like I It makes no sense to me. 800 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:23,920 I. Agree. 801 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,360 I agree. I didn't understand why she. 802 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,600 Here's the thing. She could have gone back to the 803 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,960 art because she can sing. She's got it back again because 804 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000 he helped her. You know, overcome those issues 805 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,920 she had, but not with that manager, the man who literally 806 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,200 caused her to do like to be what she was, to do what she did to, 807 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,360 you know, all of these issues. And then like when she walks out 808 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,120 of the hospital after she like sprained her ankle and he 809 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,200 literally just continuously gaslights her, saying it's all 810 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,000 her fault. That they're in this predicament 811 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,400 he has, it's not his in any which way. 812 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:08,120 And it's like, excuse me Sir, for her to go back to him pissed 813 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,160 me off because she could have easily. 814 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680 And then he said he wiped his hands of her. 815 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,600 But then he all of a sudden is her manager again. 816 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,840 And you know, in that same thing that I, there's a lot of things 817 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,360 again. They were trying to tell us like 818 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,960 2 + 2 = 8 and I'm like what are? You talking about? 819 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,160 So she goes back to being an idol, which, you know, I always 820 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,840 kind of saw that was going to happen. 821 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,600 I was hoping, like you said, it wasn't with this same toxic 822 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,880 thing that like is around her. But what pissed me off was 823 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,760 really the end where, you know, she sneaks out to go and see him 824 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,720 and he basically says he's like. They're done. 825 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,840 They're broken up and whatever. And so then she goes back to see 826 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,600 him again and she and she like, you know, she has this argument 827 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,720 where they throwback, they threw back words that he had said to 828 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,120 her previously like tell me you're sorry, tell me you love 829 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,440 me, you know, that kind of thing. 830 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,800 So here I am thinking that they've made-up, they're going 831 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,800 to work on this relationship because she even said. 832 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,440 That after her contract, like or you know, they can wait a year 833 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,200 and then the the world will be less angry about her dating 834 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,640 somebody. So I was seeing all these things 835 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,560 as hopeful lines of they were gonna have a happily ever after 836 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,840 even with this world. And then to see them not have 837 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:48,160 that pissed me off. Pissed me off because yes, you 838 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,320 know me. You know me. 839 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200 I write romance. I watch romance. 840 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,560 Romance ends with a happily ever after. 841 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,280 So here I am watching this expecting that and I'm not 842 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,560 freaking getting it. And if I could have accepted, it 843 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,840 was not going to be a happily ever after if you didn't put 844 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,040 romance in the title or in the in the little categories. 845 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,200 So I found the ending completely open-ended. 846 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,000 I didn't think it was a hard stop on their relationship. 847 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,360 I just thought they were going to go maybe there's, I mean, 848 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,960 they didn't even say, they didn't say that they were back 849 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,400 together. They didn't say that they had 850 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,360 rekindled their relationship. But because they hugged in the 851 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,720 in his room, in his like, rented room or whatever, where they had 852 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,920 that argument and she was like, say sorry, blah blah. 853 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,080 I was like, OK, they've reconciled. 854 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,040 So that's a good place to maybe rekindle their relationship. 855 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,960 And even though they were in the same place at the same time, 856 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,160 they didn't see each other or they passed by each other, 857 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,960 whatever. And it seemed kind of negative. 858 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,240 I saw it as, oh, they could definitely still get back 859 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:59,000 together. This is just one day in their 860 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,160 lives post reconciliation. And I thought it was more of 861 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,920 like a positive ending. It was pot. 862 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,000 I get it because it was. I agree it was open-ended. 863 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,480 But I need the ending. I think I need it. 864 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,080 I just. I want it. 865 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,360 For me personally, it kind of like just shows that they're 866 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,520 both going their separate ways. For a little bit because they 867 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,000 need to learn who they are as people and to grow apart from 868 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,200 each other independently because they were too what's the word 869 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,960 I'm looking for yeah Co dependent on each other and they 870 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,760 need to like walk away from that because that sort of 871 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,880 relationship doesn't necessarily I personally don't think it 872 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,400 would work. So I feel like they need that 873 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,920 space and that time to and what I saw it as the ending was they 874 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,840 that kind of like. Reconciliation of them, you 875 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,040 know, first of all, I don't understand why she needed him to 876 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,480 say sorry and why she needed him to say, you know, he regretted 877 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,760 it because because no, like it was on her part. 878 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,480 She kind of, like started to walk away. 879 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,960 She ghosted him. So I don't understand. 880 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,120 He tried that. That really. 881 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,200 Eve me off like nobody's business because there is no 882 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,280 need for that. She's in the wrong. 883 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,640 Not him, like he tried, like he understood that this was 884 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,400 something she had to do and he was being supportive of her. 885 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,320 She was like, he was like, I miss you texting her. 886 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,880 She nothing. Nothing. 887 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,400 And like, they could have gone around to that. 888 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,680 By being like she didn't have her phone on her, like her 889 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,800 management, she said. She didn't have her phone. 890 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,640 But it's like management did take her phone, but it's like 891 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,560 she took her phone when they moved into that house. 892 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,960 That's great, right? Fine, She took. 893 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,360 She had no phone. But why the heck does he have to 894 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,880 apologize then? Like, I don't understand it, 895 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,120 that that whole scene is just, like, you know, ridiculous to 896 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,280 me. But what I saw it as was them 897 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,280 putting their past to rest. That's it. 898 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,920 That's like, you know, done. And then moving forward, growing 899 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,560 up independently. And then I feel like the door is 900 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,480 left open for them to be able to rekindle. 901 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,320 Now, do I believe that a relationship between them would 902 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,520 work? I don't think I do, but that's 903 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,080 another case of whether you know, their story just wasn't 904 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,160 told well enough to me. I am not a person who needs like 905 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:37,200 the happily ever after. I I don't if the story, if the 906 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,080 story doesn't necessarily warrant it. 907 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,360 I didn't think they would end up together right from the 908 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,680 beginning. I didn't think they would. 909 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,480 The story would be happy by the end. 910 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,880 I really didn't because it didn't seem like that type of 911 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,720 vibe and that type of drama to me. 912 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:55,280 So I wasn't like that disappointed or even that, you 913 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,680 know, shocked that they went the in that direction. 914 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,760 And I was like I kind of saw this coming, like it feels like 915 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,000 this is where they're gonna come from. 916 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,160 So but yeah, that scene just really annoyed me because I was 917 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,240 like, I don't understand why he's the one apologizing and. 918 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040 She needs to work on herself a lot more. 919 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,680 Like she is broken and she is like messed up and she kind of 920 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,960 like needs. And also it's like if she's gone 921 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,120 back into that world, what's there to say for her to not fall 922 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,760 into that, you know, space again? 923 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,920 And it's like, why does he have to keep picking up the pieces? 924 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,440 It's like it's not fair on his character when he's like trying 925 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,040 to move on and to make something out of his life. 926 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,960 So. So yeah, I do. 927 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,800 You know what Hot take? I really, really wanted him to 928 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,520 get back together with the Is it Ginger? 929 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,360 The You want him with Ginger? Yeah, I feel like they could 930 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,080 have worked out. I feel like after because like 931 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,320 they. I feel like she like. 932 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,280 I feel like she had the most growth as a character, 100%. 933 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,800 It's ridiculous that a side. She's my favorite. 934 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,920 Yeah, it's ridiculous to me that a side character grew so much 935 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,400 and beautifully. Like, I loved her storyline. 936 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,920 She went from this very sheltered, you know, all 937 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,680 encompass, and she took herself out of that situation. 938 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,760 It's like she didn't need a man. She didn't need any, but she 939 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,080 kind of like took herself out of that situation. 940 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,440 And yes, she was in a really bad place for her. 941 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,280 A while. But once she's like, I love the 942 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,240 fact that she's like, I like you and he says, I don't like you 943 00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:32,360 back. You know, we've missed that 944 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,320 train and she's like, fine, but we can't be friends right now. 945 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,320 I need to heal from this. So she walks away. 946 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,360 She takes herself first, she walks away and when she's comes 947 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,400 back, she has healed and she's become like this very like 948 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,280 different person. She grew up. 949 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,720 That's what I feel like she did. She grew up and the other 950 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:55,080 characters like, especially our main couple, certainly did not. 951 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,120 And that's probably what I'm seeing, especially our female 952 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,240 lead. I feel like she's very stuck in 953 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:04,880 that, I don't know, child, not child, but like the stage where 954 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,160 the manager kind of picked her up, if that makes sense. 955 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,000 So I. Almost wish. 956 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:17,040 I almost wish they gave that character arc to Duna because 957 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,120 that not necessarily because in a. 958 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,080 In a way, it almost kind of is very similar. 959 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:30,760 Where they had these not great father figures and you know, 960 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,600 like you said, Jinju removed herself from that. 961 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:41,200 She grew up and she became this amazing, you know, happy, full 962 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,560 of life, person, well travelled, all this stuff that, you know, I 963 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,360 wish that Duna had done. And I wish that's what I think 964 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,320 it is. I think, you know, I wish Jinju 965 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,600 was the main character, like if that was the main character's 966 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,120 arc, I probably would have liked it more. 967 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,640 I will say I think there were positives like you said, you 968 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,040 know Duna and I can't remember his name our. 969 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,480 Male lead. The male lead they they came 970 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,120 into each other's lives. I feel at a time that they both 971 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,840 needed each other and. They kind of helped each other, 972 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,120 work on different things. Did it end up being slightly 973 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,480 toxic? Absolutely. 974 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,720 But I think, like with her, she taught him or showed him how to 975 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:34,000 be how to cut loose on certain things. 976 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,920 Like, OK, yeah, you can skip a class you, but you won't miss 977 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,280 all this stuff. You can, you know, you can enjoy 978 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,120 doing this. You can, you know, do all these 979 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,280 things while still being that studious person he was. 980 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,000 And then he kind of gave her this. 981 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,560 He allowed her to be the child she couldn't be when she was a 982 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,800 kid. Like when they were hitting the 983 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,240 they were playing that Mallet game and you know playing I 984 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,000 didn't see that at all. I saw that the Mallet game was 985 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,320 just a more healthy way of of. Getting her anger out getting. 986 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,360 Anger out versus just chain smoking. 987 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,320 Of of course, yeah. It that's another aspect of it. 988 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,880 But when they were like, you know, picking up the the toy, 989 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,040 The Little Mermaid toy and stuff like that, I feel like he kind 990 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,200 of gave her, like I said, the childhood. 991 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,640 She didn't. So here's I'm going to jump in 992 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,160 here and just say the thing that really irked me about Duna and 993 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,600 one June was that Duna felt like a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. 994 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,840 She just felt like someone who was reckless and loose and just 995 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,960 flitted in and out of his life, and he was this uptight dude who 996 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,720 needed to get out of his comfort zone. 997 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,280 And for her, like you said, the lesson that she teaches them to, 998 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,800 like, cut loose and not everything has to be so serious 999 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,440 and he could skip class and whatever the hell. 1000 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:57,280 And that seemed like the more damaging thing to the show was 1001 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:04,880 that Duno was they did not spend that much time dissecting what 1002 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,360 the hell her trauma was. You just kind of had to like, be 1003 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,280 like, Oh yeah, she's just K Pop Idol, and she's just traumatized 1004 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,680 for the entire experience. The visual of her drowning on 1005 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,440 stage is supposed to somehow give. 1006 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,800 Us. The entire thing give us the 1007 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,840 entire story that Oh yeah, no wonder she lost the ability to 1008 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,920 to sing and how she just broke down on stage and couldn't 1009 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,280 continue the performance and left the group and like we're 1010 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,040 just supposed to inherently understand her issues and that 1011 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,400 is not the case at all. We can infer as much as we can 1012 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,560 based on like what we know about the industry and how toxic and 1013 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,480 and sort of predatory it is and how the manager treats her when 1014 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,040 he comes back into her life. But honestly, I'm missing a lot 1015 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,440 of connective tissue here, and it makes her seem like she is 1016 00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,800 this Manic Pixie dream girl who's just there to help the 1017 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,400 male lead along in his life and his journey. 1018 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,520 And not help herself and not help herself. 1019 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,760 Like, where is her personality? How did she get to be here? 1020 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,120 Why is she stuck here in this house and can't leave? 1021 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,440 Like, she just made it seem like the manager dropped her off at 1022 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,840 this house with like, what? What do you mean he just dropped 1023 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,640 you off here? Like, what is your purpose? 1024 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,280 Like, do you feel like singing is truly the thing that you 1025 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,160 enjoy? Like, I We never got to that. 1026 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,480 Yeah. I feel like they did Her Story 1027 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,560 really, really dirty because I feel like. 1028 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,680 The writing, like I said, an actress can't make a script 1029 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,680 good. And if her story isn't there, 1030 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,920 like, I I don't know what they expected. 1031 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,280 Like they spent so much time. There's so many scenes, like 1032 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,920 Jess was saying, there was so many scenes where she was just 1033 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,960 outside chain smoking and I'm like, you could be telling me a 1034 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,360 story right now. I don't need to see her. 1035 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,120 Like, I get it, She smokes, whatever. 1036 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,280 Like I don't need to keep seeing it over and over and over again. 1037 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,120 I understand she's in a bad place. 1038 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,200 Tell me how she got to this bad place and then tell me how she's 1039 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,520 going to get it out of it. Like there's no, it's like all 1040 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,600 of a sudden she's OK. It's it happened within the span 1041 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,640 of like 5 minutes of drama where she suddenly couldn't sing And 1042 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,160 then now she sings and now she's on stage and now she's happy and 1043 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,000 now she's saying she's happy and I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no. 1044 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,160 I'm missing a whole chunk of drama right here, like in in her 1045 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,120 storyline. Like I just feel like the 1046 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:39,040 writing is a complete let down to all of the the drama as a 1047 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:45,200 whole and to me like I can, I can all my signal by directing a 1048 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,200 little bit acting you know. But bad writing, That's like 1049 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,680 what a drama stands like on if the writing is bad, then 1050 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,640 everything else is not going to be good. 1051 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,080 Like they can't make good scripts, you know? 1052 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,560 But I mean bad scripts. Good. 1053 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,160 And I feel like her character was done really, really dirty 1054 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,960 because again, they had the time. 9 episodes. 1055 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,040 Like, don't come at me saying, oh, they only had nine episodes. 1056 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:15,120 9 episodes is plenty of time to tell a full story. 1057 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:20,400 Like you don't need that much. There was so much time spent on 1058 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,160 things that I don't need to like that scene that Jess was talking 1059 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,920 about, about her jumping into the water. 1060 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,040 We saw that scene like three or four times throughout the whole 1061 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,560 shot. And it still wasn't explained. 1062 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,640 I get it. Like, I get it. 1063 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,800 She's she's falling into a pool of water. 1064 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,880 Great, great. I have seen this scene, but what 1065 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,120 exactly? Happened to her on stage. 1066 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,000 Oh, what is? Fall off the stage, Yeah, and 1067 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,640 she collapsed. Like what is what happened 1068 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,400 actually? Yeah, they, I feel like they 1069 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,040 they. They would bring up things about 1070 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,600 her trauma, but then not real like you said, Not really dive 1071 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,080 into them to the point where we could understand her. 1072 01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,160 Like when she got locked in the bathroom, she starts freaking 1073 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,120 out. OK why is she freaking out? 1074 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,040 Why is she? Why does she not like this? 1075 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,000 When the lights go out, she starts panicking. 1076 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,120 Why does she start panicking when she you know? 1077 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,480 You know, when she jumped off the stage to 'cause this whole 1078 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,280 thing to happen? Why did she do that? 1079 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,800 Like, they really never got into the nitty gritty of her 1080 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,920 character and why she, you know, feels these these ways. 1081 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,680 And like, even when she's like, oh, I have a stalker and he's 1082 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,920 literally watching us and like, points to him and you know, 1083 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,520 shaking, she's terrified. But then they just leave it. 1084 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,520 It's like, no, this girl should be dealing with this shit. 1085 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,360 And I think, I think what bothers me is, you know, as 1086 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,840 people who are seeing it from the outside, we know that mental 1087 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,960 health issues are a problem in the K pop world. 1088 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,960 And they tend to get swept under the rug, which is really 1089 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,000 unfortunate because these kids need that mental, you know, they 1090 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,480 need therapists, they need psychologists, they need these 1091 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,320 people. And I think this just kind of. 1092 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,400 Brought that to attention, but then didn't fix the problem. 1093 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,400 They didn't get her a therapist. They didn't get her a 1094 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,440 psychiatrist. They just said yeah, no, she's 1095 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,640 mentally unwell, OK. And you know, and you know 1096 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,240 what's frustrating about it? This is a Netflix production. 1097 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,400 They could have gone there. It's not an in house Korea 1098 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,560 production, it's a Netflix production. 1099 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,000 They can push a lot more on Netflix productions that they 1100 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,640 can on in house, like Korean productions. 1101 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,640 And I feel like they could have taken this to be a drama that 1102 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,880 can just kind of like show the other side, show the ugly side 1103 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,320 of it. And I suppose they don't want 1104 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,000 that because they don't want, you know, people to see that it 1105 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:59,120 can get really, really bad. But they could have been like, 1106 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,920 look, this is a problem. This is how we're going to fix 1107 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,160 it. And they could have been like 1108 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,320 this, could have been something. Yeah, they could have had him 1109 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,760 telling her she needed to go to therapy or when like. 1110 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,840 She did 100% she needed therapy like and it was just like why 1111 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,320 not get that therapy while you're literally stuck locked in 1112 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,120 this one little room? Or like if anything make him a 1113 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,240 psychology or major or whatever so that he could be the one 1114 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,080 analyzing her and like helping her in some way. 1115 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,160 It was just those kinds of things. 1116 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,240 I get it. I get why people don't like the 1117 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,640 show and I can't tell you why fully, why I loved this show so 1118 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,640 much. But like I did, and I think it 1119 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,640 again, I think it had to do with all those secondary characters, 1120 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,360 especially Jinju. I really loved her character 1121 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,720 development and I think I can see why they said, like some 1122 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,320 people said, they liked the whole girl friendship thing. 1123 01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,400 Because I do. I did like how. 1124 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,600 Duna reacted with Jinju's father. 1125 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,280 Like, you know when he called and he's like you stupid bitch, 1126 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,240 you just think you can be out all night, blah blah blah. 1127 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,720 And she like realized what kind of situation she was in and 1128 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,040 like, befriended her to, like, help her out of that situation. 1129 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,400 I think it had its moments of being good, but I'm I also. 1130 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,360 Don't like how, oh, go, go ahead. 1131 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,520 No, I was just about to say, you know, related to that comment, 1132 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,640 if she can help somebody else out of that situation, why can't 1133 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,680 she help herself out of the situation? 1134 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,320 I know it's like look. You're right, right, right 1135 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,640 situation and you know, I did the. 1136 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,160 The manager who's telling her things about herself and telling 1137 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,360 the audience things about her. That I'm like, why can't we just 1138 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,320 figure this out on our own? Like they're not showing us, 1139 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,160 they're just telling us. Because in Episode 5, the 1140 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,600 manager goes, be careful when you're alone in a crowd. 1141 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,760 It's obvious your loneliness, your desperation to be loved, to 1142 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,560 try to compensate for never having it. 1143 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,360 You're afraid of losing people's interests. 1144 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,360 And I'm like, what the this astute like observation about 1145 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,960 her coming from the worst person? 1146 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,400 From the worst person in the show and he knows it and then 1147 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,360 doesn't fix it. It's like so toxic. 1148 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,960 And she doesn't. Like we're not told. 1149 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,360 And that's why I say he gaslit her. 1150 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,680 He blamed her for all of that, like all of those issues. 1151 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,560 When it was him who caused those those problems and her mindset 1152 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,600 of things. It was her. 1153 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,000 It was him. It was her mom and then the 1154 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,080 grandma. I was confused by that whole 1155 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,320 thing, the grandma, So that house that she was in, that she 1156 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:48,880 takes. 1122 It's her grandma's house because that's where she 1157 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,640 was staying when her mom left her. 1158 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:56,880 Yeah, I feel like, Oh, yes, sorry, it's just going back it 1159 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:57,520 just. Clicked. 1160 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,120 It's just like it was. So first of all, why didn't he 1161 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,120 just ship her off to that? Because there's red one there. 1162 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,080 She would literally be by herself. 1163 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,800 She wouldn't cause a single ruckus. 1164 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,240 She would not. She would just be in this house. 1165 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,120 Why the group house? Why the? 1166 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,080 Yeah, why the shared home? Like, what did he think that? 1167 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,400 And then like, on top of that, there was a hold on, there was 1168 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,640 another plot hole. And now I can't remember it, but 1169 01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,880 it had to do with that. Like, there's so many plot 1170 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,520 holes. There's so many plot holes in 1171 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,800 this, oh the plot hole of them eating JA Jong Yun together. 1172 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,880 And it like leaking that you know she's having dinner or 1173 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,960 she's. Having Oh, right, right, right. 1174 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,280 There was a paparazzi. There and everyone's like, yeah, 1175 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,200 and everyone. They were photographed together. 1176 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,920 Yeah, everyone's hating on her for eating and you know, like 1177 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,080 having this life with a person and all this. 1178 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,560 They're hating, whatever. But then she goes to a club 1179 01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,480 where we actively see someone recording her. 1180 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,360 Yeah, but nothing from that. Nothing comes of that. 1181 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,640 I'm sorry, You You're telling me that there's more people in a 1182 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:08,080 Jajang Mun Chinese restaurant at frigging midnight than at a 1183 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,120 club? Sharing what? 1184 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,200 What? The paparazzi like Angle just 1185 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,160 annoyed me? God. 1186 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,080 Why do I like this show? Can I question myself on I, I 1187 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,040 right, I like this show. The thing is that the more I 1188 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,439 talk about it, the more annoyed I get. 1189 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:28,359 Right. I think. 1190 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,760 I think I loved it because I hated it. 1191 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,120 Now I'm like feeling this, like maybe it wasn't a real love. 1192 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:39,040 It was just I love to hate it. I yeah, I, I, I and then she. 1193 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,439 She just. I didn't think she liked the 1194 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,439 guy. I didn't think she liked one 1195 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,520 June at all. She likes the idea of him. 1196 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,640 I like messing with him and like, 'cause, like, she, yeah, I 1197 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:57,160 think she liked the idea of him and like, she's really broken 1198 01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,120 and damaged and I feel like she just likes playing around 1199 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,040 because that's what people have done to her. 1200 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,960 So that's how she kind of, like sees the world and does her 1201 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,680 thing, but that's no way to treat a person. 1202 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,720 Again, I This is why I keep saying I don't think they would 1203 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,160 have worked. I I think he deserves like, 1204 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,120 better than her in a sense. And again I think it is, it's it 1205 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,880 all like to me, it all stands to bad writing. 1206 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:26,240 This show was badly written and that has just like made it, you 1207 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,240 know? Again, I I would have not 1208 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,479 finished it unless we were recording this because I just 1209 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,760 don't like, you know, I just don't think of it as anything. 1210 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,000 There's so many potholes, like the relationship is not 1211 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:46,920 believable for a second, and I feel like there's a there's a, 1212 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,520 there's a line that separates loving somebody and being in 1213 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,400 love with somebody. Like she may have loved him but 1214 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,760 she wasn't in love with him. I don't think she knows what 1215 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,640 that is until she kind of, like works on herself and fixes her 1216 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,080 her problems. I wished, you know what? 1217 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,040 I wish this story would have gone down. 1218 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,960 The line of this shared house becomes like a really good 1219 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,560 fountain family and she kind of like fixes herself up and she 1220 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,520 launches herself back into her career with a different manager 1221 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:19,920 and like. That's what I was hoping. 1222 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,680 I would have loved that story. I would have eaten that up like 1223 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,680 nobody's business. And I get it. 1224 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,640 It's based on a webtoon and you know the story is already told 1225 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,400 in the webtoon. But again, that's not, you know, 1226 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:40,160 exactly the. 3rd house thing is really done well in so many 1227 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,480 other K dramas I don't understand. 1228 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,440 Why so many? Like I remember there was one 1229 01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,560 that I really loved and I love the season One of it. 1230 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,880 Hello, my 20s. Oh yeah, I know that's true. 1231 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,480 I haven't watched it. But I do know. 1232 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,240 Talk about a girl power and like, female relationships in 1233 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,600 the shared house thing, I was like, Oh yeah, this is great. 1234 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,400 I love. Laughter. 1235 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,800 And Waikiki was another good one I like. 1236 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,400 There was one with Jisu who's been cancelled. 1237 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,560 Oh, my first first love. Yeah. 1238 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,840 That's a good. One, I was AGI was a G SU Stan 1239 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,520 so hard. I was oh, that hurt me. 1240 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,560 Yeah. My car was literally I I named 1241 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,920 my car when I first got it years ago, 'cause it was, I think 1242 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,280 cheer up had just come out, and I named my car G Pajoon, 'cause 1243 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,200 that was his character. And cheer up, So yeah. 1244 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,600 I'm very upset about the GC thing. 1245 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,880 My condolences. So anyway, what I'm trying to 1246 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,560 say is the shared house thing could have been something, but 1247 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,920 it wasn't. Agreed. 1248 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,720 That's why I said I liked all those characters they brought 1249 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,760 in, these characters that I I could see, like you said, 1250 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,760 building that family of, you know, people she never had, that 1251 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,200 she needed and you know. That she needed in her life to 1252 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,080 build. Like when the girls all moved 1253 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,800 in, I was excited about that. I'm like, this is great. 1254 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,800 They're gonna, you know, there's gonna be this big family kind of 1255 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,720 growth and then it kind of just instantly fell apart like they 1256 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,840 were living together and all of a sudden Ginger was like. 1257 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,920 I'm out. I can't, I can't live with, you 1258 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,680 know, one June. And like, I was like, wait, 1259 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:13,840 wait, wait, wait, What's happening? 1260 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:20,480 There was that scene with Duna and Jinju where she goes to her 1261 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:25,840 house because she can't get a hold of and like, see, that's 1262 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,840 that's what we. But even then she has like, this 1263 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,120 shoulder to cry on. And she could have opened up and 1264 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,920 she chooses not to. She like, she chooses not to. 1265 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,200 And I get it. It would have been awkward at 1266 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,320 that stage because, you know, she's crying over the guy that, 1267 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,800 you know, Ildri's kind of like trying to get over. 1268 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,840 But I really appreciated her character even while not doing 1269 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:53,440 the because she was like, I know why you're upset, but I'm going 1270 01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:56,200 to focus on the fact that you need a friend right now rather 1271 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,720 than the fact of the why you're upset. 1272 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,640 And she's still offered that support. 1273 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,360 And I feel like, again, I feel like the drama is like Much Ado 1274 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,160 About Nothing. It's kind of like it's 1275 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,880 everything and it's nothing at the same time. 1276 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,880 And that that's like my description of it. 1277 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,440 It's kind of like, you know everything and nothing at the 1278 01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:18,840 same time. And it could have been. 1279 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,160 It feels like they were trying to tell 3000 stories and nine 1280 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,680 episodes and they wasted 6 episodes of not doing pretty 1281 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,760 much nothing and then three episodes of we're going to do 1282 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,160 everything. So, you know, I I am very much A 1283 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,880 and I feel like that's something that's been happening lately 1284 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,720 where cage dramas try to be be a few different genres in 1K drama 1285 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,320 and it doesn't necessarily work. And this one, I feel like it's 1286 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,360 that it was trying to be a romance, drama and a mellow 1287 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,680 drama and you know, a bunch of genres in one thing. 1288 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,360 Yeah, exactly. And it's like pick one and be 1289 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,800 really good at that one. That's going to give you an even 1290 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,600 better chance at it, you know, at being successful rather than 1291 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,960 picking 345 and being subpart at all of them. 1292 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,720 So that's like, yeah. Going back to Jinju for a 1293 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,720 second, because you guys really seem to like her. 1294 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,840 I found her a little bit annoying because she was trying 1295 01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:25,080 to make a relationship happen. Fuel a relationship with Wanju 1296 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:30,040 based on nostalgia and you can't do that. 1297 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,240 Like she was. Like we liked each other in the 1298 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,200 past, we had these great experiences. 1299 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,360 We grew up together. That was her sales pitch, 1300 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:41,400 basically. For the relationship And like, 1301 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,560 it's dead and buried basically. Yeah. 1302 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,320 But what I am in the beginning, yeah. 1303 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,360 I was going to say what I appreciate about that is yes, 1304 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,280 she did have that. But then she kind of like steps 1305 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,400 away from it, and I think she realizes that, yeah. 1306 01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:58,840 And she's like, you know, after he's, he explains to her. 1307 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,440 Like, I don't like you in that way. 1308 01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:03,560 That's not. I feel like she has the grace to 1309 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,920 sort of like step back and walk away from it and then like, I 1310 01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,400 think in retros because, like, it's kind of like what they say. 1311 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,120 Retrospective is great for everything, isn't it? 1312 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,680 So I feel like at that point, once she kind of, like steps 1313 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,320 away, she realizes that and then she goes off and like, she does 1314 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,280 brilliant. Like she lives this, her best 1315 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,640 life out of all the characters. I feel like she had exactly. 1316 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,000 She had like an arc, you know, gross. 1317 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,400 And she was like, I'm taking myself out of this. 1318 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,240 I'm going to be doing being a me for a while and that's what she 1319 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,320 does, so I appreciate that. I like that she had that whole 1320 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,200 thing where she was presenting a a false facade. 1321 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,600 She was this rich girl with a really good life and she had a 1322 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,280 great family when in reality her dad was insane machismo. 1323 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,320 My God, so bad was. Abusing them. 1324 01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,320 And I think I wanted to sit more in that, like that whole thing 1325 01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,320 was very familiar to me. Like I said, I'm Hispanic and 1326 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,720 so. My best friend came from that 1327 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,040 background growing up and she came to live with us and 1328 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,400 everything to get out of that situation that she was in with 1329 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:12,000 her dad and the scene of like the dad cutting the sister's 1330 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,560 hair that. Was horrible. 1331 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,720 I was like, oh, that's too close to home. 1332 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,920 Like for me, I was like, oh, I got chills. 1333 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,440 And that's just like, again, a little vignette that they're 1334 01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:23,280 throwing at us, a little flashback vignette versus a 1335 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,200 really deep connection that we're. 1336 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,760 Granted for Jinju, that character and it's, I think it's 1337 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,520 a problem, right? Like they gave her such an 1338 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:40,040 interesting story and she gets such a great arc and like you 1339 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,400 barely see her in the show. I think that's one of the major 1340 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,920 problems for me about this drama and it just doesn't apply to 1341 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,360 her. It applies to every single 1342 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,600 storyline. It's the fact that they try to 1343 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,760 tackle really big issues, whether that be an abusive 1344 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,720 father, an abusive manager, whether that be the background 1345 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,440 you come from and then they gloss over them. 1346 01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:06,280 It feels disrespectful to people who you know are in those types 1347 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,640 of situations. It just feels, it doesn't sit 1348 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,120 well with personally, it doesn't sit well with me. 1349 01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:16,040 The way they we just kind of like gloss over really big 1350 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:22,000 traumatic events and it's like okay, that's it, just showing 1351 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,760 you this, let's move on. That's kind of like the 1352 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,520 impression I got from a lot of these really big events. 1353 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,440 And I think that's, you know, apart from the bad writing. 1354 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,320 That's one of the things. And again, this stems from that 1355 01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,040 bad writing. It's the fact that they gloss 1356 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,440 over really, really traumatic things. 1357 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,080 And it's not like it doesn't land well, like that. 1358 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,320 That to me is never going to land well, I don't think. 1359 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,000 Yeah. The second couple. 1360 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,640 So let's quickly go through the second couple. 1361 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,720 I love them. I thought they were the star of 1362 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,160 the show. By the end of the show, by 1363 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,720 episode like 6 or so, I was like. 1364 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,960 This is it. Like we can stay here with them 1365 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,920 and we don't need to go back to the 291 June because and I 1366 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,080 called them the jiu jitsu couple, yeah, that makes sense. 1367 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,360 Facts. Yeah, because he was sort of 1368 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,480 annoyed with her and she was like this, so bubbly and 1369 01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:14,000 extroverted and loud, and he was very quiet. 1370 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,160 And it was the grumpy sunshine trope that I like love. 1371 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,120 Exactly. It was grumpy sunshine. 1372 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,360 I tend to love that trope, but for some reason it just didn't 1373 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,600 land for me. I don't know if by that point I 1374 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,240 was just so annoyed with again I benched the whole thing. 1375 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,440 So I don't know if by that point I was just so annoyed with the 1376 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:37,600 show that I was like, I this character is very loud, very 1377 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,040 chaotic, a very I, I, I. Didn't like her until they 1378 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,720 started pairing her up with with. 1379 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,880 Agreed, 100% agreed. She was very obnoxious. 1380 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,480 She was very rude, Like, and I'm like, are you just saying all 1381 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,320 foreigners are obnoxious and rude? 1382 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,080 Because I feel like every time they throw, you know, somebody 1383 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,160 not Korean or pretending not to be Korean into these things, 1384 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,560 they tend to be these like very kind of negative stereotypes. 1385 01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,640 Wait, was she not meant to be Korean? 1386 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,400 No, she was. She was. 1387 01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:11,920 She was Korean, but she moved to Brazil. 1388 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,200 So, like, I got that. OK. 1389 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:14,800 Yeah, yeah. OK. 1390 01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,840 So she was like, I think when she gets kicked out of the 1391 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,200 school, like she gets kicked out of the door, she said she 1392 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,920 because I'm a foreigner and. Lost. 1393 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,240 So yeah, she. Was very don't even consider her 1394 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,000 Korean. Yeah, yeah. 1395 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,720 And so she's like very, you know, loud. 1396 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,960 And what I'm very loud. Like, I can't argue that that's 1397 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,800 some of us over here. I will say, I will say, I will 1398 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:40,240 say that does kind of now thinking about it, that does go 1399 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,840 with Brazilian culture and Portuguese culture in general. 1400 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,360 We tend to be very loud people. I'm Hispanic and Italian. 1401 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,160 I'm always loud. Like, we're loud by nature. 1402 01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,280 People like, a lot of the time they'll question me. 1403 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,840 They'll be like, why are you arguing with your mom? 1404 01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,480 I'm like, I'm not arguing with my mom. 1405 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:00,480 I'm like, I'm having a nice conversation. 1406 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:02,480 Like, I don't understand what you're talking about. 1407 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,640 It's because we tend to be very loud in general. 1408 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:10,320 I used to be called out in school constantly for how loud I 1409 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,240 was like, they would my parents, Oh yeah, yeah, my parents would 1410 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:15,400 be like, my mom would be called in. 1411 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,320 And she's like, she's a bit disruptive to the classroom, 1412 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,880 'cause she's so loud. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't 1413 01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,040 tell. Because you don't even realize 1414 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,800 that's the volume you're talking about. 1415 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,320 So, so she. Was like that she they they 1416 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,880 built her a little different than the other characters 1417 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,080 getting. Pretty obnoxious because she's 1418 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,560 like not reading the room and she's like not not kind of 1419 01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,520 considering other people. And that's that's fine up until 1420 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,360 like, they get to her and Jong UN. 1421 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,960 And what I liked about them was that they showed the moment that 1422 01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,880 he fell for her. And I was like, oh, this is 1423 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,120 great because they're eating after like the jujitsu thing, 1424 01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,000 and it doesn't even matter what they're talking about. 1425 01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,560 But all of a sudden she starts eating. 1426 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,480 She's like, Oh my God, this is so the little happy doing the 1427 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,800 happy. And he is like, Oh my God, like 1428 01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,760 you could see his like the heart eyes. 1429 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,000 Yeah, I love when? He asks. 1430 01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:13,880 The the other roommate, like, what does it mean when, like, 1431 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,360 you feel this kind of way when somebody just, like, does this 1432 01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,800 and he's like explaining it like, I thought that was so 1433 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:22,520 cute. I agree. 1434 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,040 I think they were the cutest couple. 1435 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:28,000 I loved them. Like their couple made more 1436 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,600 sense because. Again, they were the grumpy 1437 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,080 sunshine and they worked together to like make themselves 1438 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,600 like at the end when they like kind of Fast forward and they're 1439 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,520 living together and like, she comes out and she gives him a 1440 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,400 hug and they're all like so cutesy together and they are 1441 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,560 like. Oh, I loved it. 1442 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,200 I absolutely loved that. I thought it was so flipping 1443 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,080 cute. They are your very 1444 01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,920 straightforward romance from com couple though, aren't they? 1445 01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,400 So it I mean it they these couples tend to land in general 1446 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:06,080 because it's the true and tried formula of of romance I think. 1447 01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,160 I did like the other housemate you did. 1448 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,520 Because I didn't like. Him he No, I didn't. 1449 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,040 OK, let me, let me rephrase this. 1450 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:18,440 I didn't like him in the like in that whole, like in the shared 1451 01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:19,680 house. But I loved. 1452 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,800 Him in the future, where he's literally deciding 1453 01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,360 heartbrokenness to sell women on how to get men. 1454 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,000 I thought that was absent. I was like that is. 1455 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,920 Perfect. That like they nailed that 1456 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,280 character. That was hilarious to me. 1457 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,640 I did enjoy that. This is what I mean. 1458 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,760 Like the friends are living in a comedy ROM com world. 1459 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,720 And then like the Wayne couple is like living in LA, You're. 1460 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,760 Right. You're so right. 1461 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,800 You're so right. It's like two different stories. 1462 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,800 It's two completely different stories. 1463 01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:00,560 And also, I love the fact that our male lead is described as 1464 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,080 this very, like, ordinary, very plain guy, and yet everybody's 1465 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,840 in love with him. Can we just? 1466 01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,400 Literally, right. Everybody's in love with him. 1467 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,080 Dude is in. All three women. 1468 01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:12,960 All three women are in love with him at some point, so. 1469 01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,680 Also like, what's there to like about him? 1470 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,000 Like, let me just let me just go for one June for a second 1471 01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:22,320 because I'm confused about what is appealing about him other 1472 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,600 than he's hot and he's hot. Really don't like ordinary 1473 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,880 ordinary. He was like having conversations 1474 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,320 with people and I'm like. Where's the personality? 1475 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,600 Like land. Yeah, he's a bit, yeah. 1476 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,280 I think he's the type of character that is just like a 1477 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,640 people, people pleaser. So he'll just kind of like go, 1478 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,400 go along, you know? I saw some people like making 1479 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,760 reference that he's kind of like a golden retriever and I'm like, 1480 01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,520 no, I don't think so. I don't. 1481 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,080 He was. I felt like he was socially 1482 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,640 stunted with women. Yeah, yeah. 1483 01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,240 Because when he talked to his buddy, he was all like, he was 1484 01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,640 very chatty. He could talk about anything, 1485 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,120 everything, whatever. But when it came to the women, 1486 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,360 he was very awkward and like, and it was maybe because he did, 1487 01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,240 you know, he liked Jinju. So he was like, awkward about 1488 01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,680 the fact that he had told her he liked her and she dipped on him 1489 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,760 like completely ghosted him kind of thing. 1490 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,840 That wasn't that was on her too. Yeah, no, that wasn't on her. 1491 01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:22,480 And then I think with, I think with Duna it was more the whole. 1492 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,480 At first she was very standoffish to him and he didn't 1493 01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:28,080 know why and he was like, OK, I'm just gonna like, who is 1494 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:28,720 this? Like she? 1495 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,280 Why does she hate me so much already not realizing that the 1496 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,800 hoodie he was wearing that his friend gave him was her group. 1497 01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,800 First of all, how do you not know that as your best friend is 1498 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,560 the biggest fanboy of this? Group and he gives like he's an 1499 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:45,280 idiot. Logo on it. 1500 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,440 How is he in engineering or whatever for he's in? 1501 01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,440 But yeah, so like, that was with him and with her. 1502 01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:56,000 And then the other one, he just absolutely hated her. 1503 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,520 Simply because she was friendly, right? 1504 01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,120 She wasn't. She was. 1505 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,040 I mean, she was a lot to handle. It was a lot, but she wasn't 1506 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,920 like that as a kid. She just wanted to be a friend 1507 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,880 as a kid. Well, yeah, but some people 1508 01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,840 don't want to be friends. I'm like. 1509 01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,440 I guess you keep pushing and keep pushing and keep pushing, 1510 01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,240 like if you're imposing on somebody like like I. 1511 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,080 Mean I think it was well I think with their relationship it was 1512 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,440 more so the the the parents had started that and so she had this 1513 01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:31,040 mindset of. I he's he's my future husband 1514 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:36,520 and whatnot, so maybe that's why she became so pushy, but yeah. 1515 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,840 OK, so let's talk about things that don't make sense, like 1516 01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,760 every whole show. The what? 1517 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,280 Besides the whole show, I'm referring to their sex scene, 1518 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,680 which begin with oh, I'll take off my shirt. 1519 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,920 My wet. Shirt I can't. 1520 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,000 I can't. But I was like I. 1521 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,880 Was like homegrown. First of all, it's a crop. 1522 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,720 Top Second of all, it's loose fitting. 1523 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:03,360 Third of all, it's not like like athleisure that's like spandex 1524 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,920 and stuck to your body and that when it gets wet, OK, maybe you 1525 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:06,960 need a little help getting it off. 1526 01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,080 I was like, how can she not take off her shirt? 1527 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,440 I was truly baffled by take Off My. 1528 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:18,960 Shirt, I will say, though they're they're kissing under 1529 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,320 the bridge. That was OK. 1530 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,000 I I don't know you guys which? 1 the. 1531 01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:30,280 First one or when they're sneaking off. 1532 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,440 It's probably the first, I don't know the. 1533 01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,880 First one, I think by the by the shared house still. 1534 01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1535 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,920 I I will say though, I don't know how well this was at normal 1536 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,080 speed because I did not watch it at normal speed. 1537 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,000 And sometimes speed up kiss scenes work like a charm. 1538 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,360 They make them so much better. So I don't know, but at the 1539 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,480 speed that I was watching, that kiss scene worked pretty well. 1540 01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,040 I I liked their kiss scenes. Their kiss scenes were great. 1541 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,480 Were they the best I've ever seen? 1542 01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:04,000 Absolutely not. I did enjoy. 1543 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:10,040 I did enjoy the reverse countertop as I've called it and 1544 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,160 like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1545 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,840 The. One being pushed up to the 1546 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,320 countertop. I really liked that. 1547 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,880 I thought that was really like. I thought that was a good one I 1548 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,920 did like. Both under the bridge scenes, 1549 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,080 under the bridge kiss scenes where they were like sneaking 1550 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:32,000 off and he like pushes her into the into the wall and then I 1551 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,360 think she spins him and pushes him against. 1552 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,360 I liked, I liked their kissing scenes. 1553 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,880 I did enjoy their kissing. Scenes. 1554 01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,200 It was all right to me. Yeah. 1555 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,000 It was OK. It was, yeah. 1556 01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,960 OK, I saw it wasn't the best. I did like them though. 1557 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,520 I did like them. I just, yeah, I feel like I 1558 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:52,640 should change my rating of this. After after everything, after 1559 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,120 everything I've complained about like I can't, I can't validate 1560 01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:01,120 MY39 based on jinju, you know. Do we have anything else that we 1561 01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,360 want to talk about? Because I we can't sit here for 1562 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,120 another hour and just really bash on this. 1563 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,080 Show I know, I know. I don't think I have anything. 1564 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,040 You're good. Yeah, I'm good. 1565 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,560 Like I it's done. I'm, it's behind me. 1566 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,960 I don't intend on revisiting again. 1567 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:23,520 I'm going to go and go back to my only full love after this for 1568 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,520 some therapy. Fair enough. 1569 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,640 Fair enough. Anything else you wanted to add, 1570 01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,920 Sam, about the show? No. 1571 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:34,920 I I honestly, I like after after doing this. 1572 01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,000 I'm kind of like enraged by the show that I'm like, why did I 1573 01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,080 like this? So much. 1574 01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,760 There was also, like the two faced CEO of the company, the 1575 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,200 entertainment company. They were like the manager made 1576 01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,560 it a point of saying I'm not the one that's suing you, it's the 1577 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,120 it's the president. Or. 1578 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,560 The CEO who's doing it. So then they finally show the 1579 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,600 CEO later when she's saying when Dunas like I'm going to come 1580 01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,800 back and I'm going to be a soloist and all this stuff and 1581 01:28:58,840 --> 01:28:59,880 the. CEO is super. 1582 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:01,560 Agreeable. Yeah. 1583 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,960 And she. Was like, yeah, that was 1584 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,680 confusing. I was like, wait, wait, wait, If 1585 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,240 this was, if this is how it could have been, why didn't you 1586 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,240 just do that? And she wouldn't have even had 1587 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,880 to leave and all this kind of stuff. 1588 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,960 I think for me as my last point, the thing that I'm most mad 1589 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,480 about this, it's the fact that the show had so much potential 1590 01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:25,560 and they wasted it because that is also that is like a crime to 1591 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:32,120 waste like potential that yeah that's that's all my my 1592 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,920 thoughts. Can I tell you when I first saw, 1593 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,120 like, even the trailer or like those, you know, two second 1594 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,760 teasers? Oh yeah, yeah. 1595 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,880 Yeah, of this show. Can I tell you I thought it was 1596 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:50,200 a horror show because the font gave me horror vibes. 1597 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,640 Yeah, the Duna font. The Duna. 1598 01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,440 Font is very like oh. What is is this a thriller? 1599 01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:57,960 Is this like a psychological thriller? 1600 01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,640 Like, I literally thought that and like all of these like, you 1601 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,280 know, little things that they would they would hint at, like, 1602 01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:06,840 you know, her little hanging photo card. 1603 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,640 I'm like I I was waiting for blood to splatter on it. 1604 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:15,160 Like, I literally, when I first saw the ads for this, I was 100% 1605 01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,360 convinced it was a horror show. You know what? 1606 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,000 I wouldn't put it past a Korean drama to do that. 1607 01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,440 It makes a lot of sense. You know what? 1608 01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:24,680 It would have been way more interesting as it would have 1609 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,280 idle horror. Yeah, that would have been cool. 1610 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:32,280 Like like there's a, you know she left the industry because 1611 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,240 there was some sort of a murder or something around that would. 1612 01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:36,520 Have. Yeah. 1613 01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,400 And she, like, had to stay safe from that stalker person. 1614 01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:44,600 That would have been a good reason for like her, yeah. 1615 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,080 And it's another idol that's committing the murders, which is 1616 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,080 why the exactly. Look at this guys. 1617 01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,720 We're writing our own. Look, just hire us already, 1618 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,480 yeah? We're available, oh. 1619 01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,760 My God. All right, so that was our pitch 1620 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,920 for what Duna should have been. Do Season 2. 1621 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,800 Do a Season 2 and do it right. So we're going to get out of 1622 01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,800 here. Thank you guys so much for 1623 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,200 coming on the show. Where can we find you guys 1624 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,800 online? For those who haven't heard the 1625 01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,320 other episodes with you guys on them. 1626 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,720 So you can find me at T and Soju pod all one word over on 1627 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:28,640 Instagram and X Twitter, whatever and TikTok. 1628 01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:33,360 And if you would love more Chinese, I tend to focus on 1629 01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,680 Chinese dramas but you know reviews. 1630 01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,160 And also we have Jess on every month now. 1631 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:46,120 So exactly You can search up the T and Soju C drama podcast on 1632 01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,000 Spotify, Apple Podcasts and all all of those places. 1633 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:55,160 And I have Korean from Context. You can find me on Instagram, 1634 01:31:55,640 --> 01:32:00,920 TikTok with Korean from Context and X, which I don't really use, 1635 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:06,480 so don't waste your time. And then I actually do host a 1636 01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,680 podcast with one of my best friends called the BL Buddies 1637 01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:13,160 Podcast. You can find us on Instagram, 1638 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,760 YouTube, Spotify, all that stuff under BL Buddies a podcast. 1639 01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,480 And we've both guessed it on your podcast and you. 1640 01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,360 Did you? Did. 1641 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,000 Maybe. We'll have to have a quadruple, 1642 01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:27,000 Yeah. Oh my God. 1643 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:27,560 What? Is the spring? 1644 01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,200 Is that a quartet? Quartet. 1645 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:30,880 Yeah. There you go. 1646 01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,600 Let's do this. We'll do a I'm. 1647 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,360 Down. I'm down Give. 1648 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:35,680 Me. Another BL. 1649 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:40,040 I'll eat that deal, but OK. Thank you so much for coming on 1650 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,280 this Duna journey with us. And if you have anything you'd 1651 01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,760 like to say to us, we are more than happy to talk to you in our 1652 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,760 DMS on all the socials. You know where to find us and 1653 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,440 that's it. That's been our show. 1654 01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:53,480 I'm Jessica and this is the Teba K Rambles podcast. 1655 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,160 I will take time. More. 1656 01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:03,160 Steps towards you. When you move back, there's no 1657 01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:13,360 reason it's needed for. Me, even though it's too far. 1658 01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:18,000 It doesn't matter where you are, my thoughts always go back to 1659 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,520 you because it's you.