1 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,400 I'm Jessica and this is Tabaki Rambles where a couple of 2 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,560 friends review Korean dramas, except it's not two friends 3 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,800 today, it's a trio of friends. That's right, it is a drama trio 4 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,280 episode. Today I am joined by Caitlin 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,600 from No sleeper dramas vlog and podcast and Liliana from T and 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,840 Soju podcast. How are you guys doing today? 7 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,040 Oh yeah, yeah. All good. 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,880 All good here. Yeah. 9 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,240 We had a double header today, this is our second. 10 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,200 Recording. Of the day. 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,240 So we've been here pretty much the whole day recording with 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,640 each other and we haven't gotten sick of it yet. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,120 We are going to talk about the trunk today and I know that 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Liliana watched it late last year when it aired and you 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,800 actually, I think you did an episode on it. 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,320 I. Did I did. 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,400 I purposely did not listen to your episode because I didn't 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,920 want to be spoiled on what you thought about it, so please 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,840 forgive me. I will be going and listening to 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,840 it after we finish wrap this recording. 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,320 And. If I'm to understand Caitlin, 22 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:28,440 you're maybe 10 minutes removed from finishing this show. 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,480 Yeah, I basically knew. I, I mean, we knew we were 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,520 reviewing this late in January. So I was like, I'm just going to 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,880 wait until January to watch it. And then I ended up having to 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,560 binge it in the last two days, including 10 minutes ago. 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Yeah, nice. So before we get into it, before 28 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,120 we get into the fun, if this is your first time listening, go 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,160 ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app. 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,720 We're on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and many more. 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,640 And if you like us, please give us a five star review on Apple 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Podcasts and Spotify. 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All right, we're going to get 44 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,760 into the non spoiler section of the trunk. 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Are you guys ready? Yeah, Yes, I am. 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Nice, the My Drama List synopsis reads. 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,800 Angie works for a contract marriage provider in NM, 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,480 arranging one year marriages for clients. 49 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,840 After completing her 4th contract, she meets Jung Wan, a 50 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,120 music producer for her 5th. Zhang Wan, still haunted by the 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,320 pain of his past and missing his ex-wife Sol Yong, starts his 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,080 second marriage with Ng. As they grow closer, a 53 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,920 mysterious trunk is discovered in a lake, unraveling dark 54 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:23,440 secrets behind the NM company. This show is adapted from the 55 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,440 novel Trunk by Kim Ryeong, which was first published in May 2015. 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:34,160 It's about 10 years old. This show aired in its entirety 57 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,560 November 29th, 2024. It's 8 episodes long, directed 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,600 by Kim Kyute, a really prolific director. 59 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,720 So he's directed Worlds within Iris, Padam Padam, that winter 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,520 the wind blows. It's all right. 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,960 This is love, which we know all about Liliana because you 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,720 guessed it on that episode with me reviewing it. 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,120 He's also directed Moon Lover, Secret Heart Rio, which is a 64 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,720 huge show from 2016, which is finally coming to Vicki, 65 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,120 streaming pretty soon. Coming soon is the tag right now 66 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,040 on that. And of course, there's an 67 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,400 episode on the podcast feed for that show. 68 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,399 The show is written by or adapted by Pakun Young. 69 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,400 And I really didn't know who she was until I looked her up. 70 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,920 And then I was like, oh, right, she's written Huadong from 2016, 71 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,840 Romance Full of Life, Housewife, Detective, The Third Charm, and 72 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:36,320 I have not done my best yet. It really made sense when I saw 73 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,920 that she had written the third charm. 74 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,880 Then I was like, oh, that makes total sense to me. 75 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,040 The trunk and the third charm, I don't know, it just made a lot 76 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,880 of sense. That really took a lot of people 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,200 by surprise that show and was tonally not what people were 78 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,360 expecting. It's a little shocking and yeah, 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,560 is it a romance? I don't know. 80 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,280 I don't know if you guys have any experience with Pakkun Young 81 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:07,480 or the director's other work. The director? 82 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:14,600 I don't think so for that director, apart from it's OK, is 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,680 it? It's OK That's love. 84 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Is that the one he directed? I think that's the only one I've 85 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,720 actually watched out of that list from him. 86 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:28,520 And for the writer who are wrong because, I mean, pretty people, 87 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,440 let's not. Yeah, enough said. 88 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,520 I think that's the only two things I've watched out of those 89 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,840 lists. For the director, definitely 90 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,160 moon lovers. I've watched. 91 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:46,320 I want to say I I mean I I iris, I did watch too. 92 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,800 I can't remember if I've watched padam padam. 93 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,440 I feel like I have, but I can't remember. 94 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,160 I have to remember what it even is too. 95 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,920 But anyway, so I've watched a couple of the director. 96 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,680 I have watched none of the writer but I like recognize the 97 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,880 titles obviously. All right, this show stars Kong 98 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,280 Yu as Han Zhong Wan. He is our male lead, of course. 99 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:17,920 He is a prolific Kalu star in his 40s at this point and still 100 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,960 looking damn fine. He's done about 15 or so movie, 101 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,120 yet everyone's smiling on this speed, on this speed right now. 102 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,280 Kim Jong, born 1982. He did that movie in 2019. 103 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:34,920 Age of Shadows, 2016, Train to Pusan, of course, 2016, A Man 104 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,120 and a woman from 2016. I feel like that goes hand in 105 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,880 hand with this show. If you haven't seen A Man and a 106 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,960 Woman, I highly recommend it. Of course TV he's most recently 107 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,240 been in squid game season 2 the silent sea from 2021 Goblin. 108 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,600 Of course he's the goblin, the great and lonely God and coffee 109 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,960 Prince from O seven. Really not as many shows as you 110 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,520 would expect when you look it up, but his Co star is Sohyun 111 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,240 Jin. He she plays no Ng. 112 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,680 You might have seen her in Why her? 113 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,200 You are my spring, The beauty inside temperature of love, 114 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,600 Doctor Romantic, another Miss O and let's eat too. 115 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,000 So what? What is your experience with 116 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Sohyunjin and Kongyu? You guys. 117 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,240 So for Gongye, we all know I didn't finish Goblin and apart 118 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,440 from that nothing. I've only like, I've seen his 119 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,960 cameos in Squid Gains 1 and that was it. 120 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,240 I had not watched him in anything else and I don't know 121 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,480 why I he does. I suppose for dramas he does. 122 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Like he's done a lot of older dramas and I tend to not really 123 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,080 go back to older dramas all the time. 124 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,840 So yeah, I know. I know Goblin. 125 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,520 But look, guys, we're not going to go down that road again. 126 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,160 As for like Soyo and Jin, she's the complete opposite. 127 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,240 I've actually watched her in a lot of things. 128 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,760 I've watched another Miss I Doctor romantic temperature of 129 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,800 love, The beauty inside You are my spring and why her? 130 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,760 And I really like her as an actress. 131 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,760 I think her acting's fairly good, but also I think her 132 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,000 projects, even if the drama isn't that great, I always tend 133 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,920 to appreciate her character and her acting in it, if that makes 134 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,760 sense. So I, I really like her. 135 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,039 She's one of those actresses that I, you know, I keep an eye 136 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,360 out for. And if she's in something that I 137 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,760 think I'll enjoy, I I'll tend to check her out. 138 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Now after watching the trunk, I was like, OK, I get the GONQ 139 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,760 hype before it. I really did. 140 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,720 I really didn't get the Gong U hype. 141 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,000 I was like, I know, I know, I know, I know. 142 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,560 But to be fair, I hadn't really watched him in a lot of things 143 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,640 and the only thing that I had partially watched was Goblin and 144 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,760 that wasn't necessarily him. Like to me that's not a him 145 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,960 problem, it's a story problem. So agree to disagree, agree to 146 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,280 disagree. All right, all right. 147 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,240 I can't. I can't help it. 148 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:22,400 But apart from that, I get why everybody's so you know, up for 149 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,120 gong you now. OK. 150 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,040 All right, Caitlin. For Gong You, I've pretty much 151 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,960 seen everything. Like I've seen most of his 152 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,920 movies. A lot of the movies that you 153 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,920 listed I've watched and I pretty much have seen every single 154 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:46,800 drama he's done as well for the most part, even the bad ones, 155 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,360 yes. For So You Jin, I kind of have 156 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,240 like bounced around. I have not seen a lot of her 157 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:00,680 older dramas except for Beauty Inside but most mostly I watch 158 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:02,560 that because I love the movie so much. 159 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,160 The movie in my opinion is better. 160 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,480 Which is way different I'm I think from the show. 161 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,240 Right, Yeah, but I I've seen Beauty inside, I've seen You are 162 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,000 May Spring and I've seen why her, but a lot of her older 163 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,880 dramas I I just have not. I did not watch. 164 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,720 They also were airing in a time I didn't have access to Korean 165 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,600 drama, so I didn't really go back and watch them yet I guess. 166 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,840 OK, so between us, we are rounding out all of their 167 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,400 careers, both of their careers, because I've seen a lot of 168 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,160 Kungu's movies, I've seen most of his K dramas, even the bad 169 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,440 ones like Big and Biscuit, Teacher, Star Candy and all of 170 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,760 those. And then of course, Sohyun Jin, 171 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,760 I've also seen let's see two another miss O temperature of 172 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,360 love. And then I kind of dropped off 173 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,160 and didn't really see myself watching why her you're my 174 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,080 spraying or the beauty inside, mostly because the beauty inside 175 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,240 the movie is so great. I'm like, I don't really see the 176 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,880 need to watch the show and I see Caitlin nodding her head. 177 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,800 I love both of these actors and I think we can all agree that 178 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,280 maybe not Liliana coming into the show loving Kong You, but 179 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,560 this is a really great leading couple. 180 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,240 There's something to be said about at least for Kong Yu, he's 181 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,040 very choosy with his projects and he's at a stage in his 182 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,440 career where he doesn't have to do anything at all. 183 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,520 He just can exist, subsist on the CFS, you know, ads. 184 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,560 He can sell products and be brand ambassador and just make 185 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:53,920 his money that way rather than starring in a show or a movie. 186 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,760 But that gives him the ability to be really choosy. 187 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:04,720 Every project that he does, there is something that he finds 188 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,320 very unique about it. Whether the project is 189 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,960 successful or not. You know, there's something that 190 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,480 he saw in it that he a message that he wants to convey that he 191 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,120 believes in. And so I want you to think about 192 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,000 that when we go into the discussion about the trunk, 193 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,920 which I don't feel is going to be a particularly long 194 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,720 discussion, mostly because I didn't take any notes, y'all? 195 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,360 I don't think Caitlin took any notes either. 196 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:34,840 But, you know, we'll see. What did you guys think of this 197 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,960 show? I don't know who wants to go 198 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,920 first, but. Let Caitlin go first 'cause he's 199 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,840 got fresh mind. Caitlin. 200 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:50,520 I, I love this show. I think I liked it a lot more 201 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,600 than I thought I would. And ironically, I did not like 202 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,560 the parts I thought I would like. 203 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,680 I was expecting to like certain parts of this show because there 204 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,800 was a lot of parts that I was like, oh, that's something up my 205 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,600 alley that's speaking my language. 206 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,240 I'm definitely checking this out. 207 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,720 In hindsight though, I actually liked those parts less. 208 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,200 I'm not giving anything right obviously right now, and I liked 209 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,400 other parts more that I did not expect to like. 210 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,200 So I mean, it wasn't like a perfect drama for me, but it was 211 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:32,000 definitely something unique in my opinion and kind of went 212 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:38,880 against the grain of what I normally like and enjoy when I 213 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,720 get to the other side of finishing a drama for me. 214 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,560 So it's kind of contradictory to what you thought you were going 215 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:50,680 to like, and the things that kept you engaged were things 216 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,080 that you didn't realize were going to be sitting. 217 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,360 Yes. OK. 218 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,400 All right. Yeah. 219 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Do you want to say what those things are? 220 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Is that too spoilery? It's too spoilery. 221 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,880 I don't want to. Liliana. 222 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,920 I ended up really enjoying this one. 223 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,520 I have quibbles with it. There's a couple of things that 224 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,440 I, you know, I have a couple of, I don't know, quibbles with it. 225 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,400 But overall I really, really enjoyed it. 226 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,240 I almost feel like it's how to explain it. 227 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,680 It's almost like a combination of a Western show with a Korean 228 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,920 show mixed together and you kind of taken the best parts of both 229 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,920 things and put it into this show. 230 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,760 That's kind of like what I felt and it kind of worked in and I 231 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,640 didn't think they would make it work, but they did. 232 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,120 I, you know, like I said, gonk you in. 233 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,560 This was great. I understood why people enjoy 234 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,880 him so much. Soya Jin was great in this. 235 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,720 The pacing was fairly good. I think they did a really good 236 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,800 job developing these characters and kind of growing them even 237 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,000 for 8 episodes. And I was like, see it can be 238 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,800 done. It can be done in eight 239 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,200 episodes. You can give us a full arc story 240 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,360 and you know, with really good characters. 241 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,320 So I think overall I really enjoyed it. 242 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,920 I did have a couple of quibbles with it, but even saying that I 243 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,640 I really liked it. Yeah, I would agree with you 244 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:35,000 both that I came into this thinking it was going to be a 245 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,160 romantic thriller. That's what was sold in the 246 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,120 trailer for it. That's what the marketing was 247 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,160 selling. And I think the problem that I 248 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,360 found, my quibbles have to do with the thriller part, because 249 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,720 honestly, I didn't give a shit about the thriller. 250 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:54,960 I think the best parts of the show happen very internally and 251 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,560 happen with the romance aspect of these two very flawed 252 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,240 individuals trying to work it out, trying to figure each other 253 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,080 out and this mini healing journey that they go on. 254 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,760 I thought this show was super stylish. 255 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,880 The cinematography was super Moody and I, I did say that I 256 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,160 think on my story, when I finished watching, it was like I 257 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:26,200 didn't see much K drama to this story, to the production of it. 258 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:32,480 It felt very western and I could recast this whole show with 259 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,480 Western actors and it would be the same show, which I think 260 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,920 bothered people. I think that was irking a lot of 261 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:48,400 watchers that this was not a typical K drama in any sense of 262 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,040 the word. It was, like I said, very 263 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,800 stylish. It was a very introspective 264 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,120 drama. It's not average, it's not 265 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,520 fast-paced. It is very evenly paced within 266 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,520 the 8 episodes, but I wouldn't say that you know, you have 267 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,640 cliffhangers at the end of every episode and things driving you 268 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,640 to watch the next episode. There were great depths of 269 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:17,640 emotion and fear throughout the show, and it's about two 270 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,200 traumatized and flawed and broken people inadvertently 271 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,839 finding a measure of comfort in each other and the courage to 272 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,560 heal and the courage to move forward instead of staying 273 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,160 stagnant. And I would say the older you 274 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,440 are, the more you'll get out of the show. 275 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,320 I don't think that younger people will find much to latch 276 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,240 onto in the show. I think this is for mature 277 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,840 audiences only. There is a deep. 278 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,960 Well of. Melancholia in this show and 279 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:55,960 this idea of like choking on your own memory, but thinking 280 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,960 that that's actually what's keeping you going, that that's 281 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,600 your oxygen tank versus what's holding you down and what's 282 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,560 drowning you. And that is really nuanced and 283 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,440 hard to understand if you haven't lived a lot of life, 284 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,960 sorry to say. It's about unhappy people. 285 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,520 It's about codependency. It's a bit of a darker 286 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,320 psychological drama. These characters are not going 287 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,600 to be easy to pinpoint. They're not black and white, and 288 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,640 this is very soft and understated romance. 289 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,320 There's a lot of soft and innocent parts to them, but 290 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,640 there's also really dark and difficult aspects of them that 291 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,040 are unlikable. And I think a lot of people were 292 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,840 off put by the sex scenes in this show. 293 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,600 A lot of people had complaints about the characterizations. 294 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:57,680 I mean, we can go into like the complaints, but my main 295 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,680 complaint has to do with the police procedural and the 296 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,280 mystery aspect of the show, which didn't work at all for me. 297 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,560 That was not why I was watching the show. 298 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,280 Yeah, that's what I I also disliked that part a lot, which 299 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,960 it was unexpected. That was the unexpected part is 300 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:21,400 I was assuming I was going to like that part more than I did. 301 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,240 And it wasn't even like my normal criticisms of like the 302 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,800 tropiness of how bad cops are written sometimes in crime Jamas 303 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,880 or anything. But it was just you could take 304 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,680 all this out and it would still be a great drama. 305 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,200 You could take all this out for the most part and it would still 306 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,720 be fine. It would still like this doesn't 307 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:47,000 add anything to it at all and not even the purpose of why it 308 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,640 was in there in the 1st place really even added to the to the 309 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,920 drama in my opinion. So that that was the unexpected 310 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,800 part for me as I thought I would like that part better than I 311 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,160 did. Yeah, because you're you're so 312 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,320 into crime and that's your bread and butter and you're like our 313 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,520 expert in that genre. But I think also the reason why 314 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,840 is even if you did take those parts out, there was enough 315 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,280 thriller aspects to this that probably would have still 316 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,520 sustained me without because it was like a character thriller 317 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,360 than a plot thriller. And you can have thriller 318 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:31,800 elements to a drama without it having to do with murder or 319 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,960 anything like that. Yeah, I agree. 320 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,640 I agree that it was much more of a character study than people 321 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,520 were expecting. I read this, I had a camera 322 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,440 froze a review or a summary, but I think it was a review in Teen 323 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,560 Vogue. And this sentence, like really 324 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,200 brought it together for me. They said, adding A twist to the 325 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,800 contract marriage trope, The Trunk tackles the plot device 326 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,800 from a film noir perspective. And I was like, that's what 327 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,240 people didn't like. That's what it is. 328 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,320 It's a film noir. People aren't used to seeing 329 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,400 noir in K drama. I think it was a little bit too 330 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,760 real for people almost because it's like it's very flawed 331 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,720 characters, isn't it? You can almost argue that they 332 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,360 are a little bit dislikable for the most of it part of the 333 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,800 drama, and I think people don't like that. 334 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:32,960 I think people were expecting, you know, a cohabitation fake 335 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,880 marriage trope, you know, they were going to fall in love and 336 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,120 everything that comes with it. And I actually prefer it much 337 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:45,560 better the way it was done because like you said, there is 338 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:52,000 a lot of nuances to it and there is a lot of grown up stuff to 339 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,880 it. I am. 340 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,520 I would rather have a character growth and a character arc then, 341 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,560 you know, have a stagnant character for the whole drama, 342 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,240 so to speak. And I think the way these two 343 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,600 actors work together and work to show their characters really, 344 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,480 really worked for me. So yeah, I, I like both of you. 345 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,680 I also, I wasn't keen on the thriller aspect of it, the 346 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,760 police work aspect of it. I just didn't think it was 347 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,080 necessary. Like you said, it didn't add to 348 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,360 the drama. And you could have taken that 349 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,200 whole aspect. And actually, I feel like the 350 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,280 drama could be even better without it because it doesn't 351 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,160 add to the plots. So yeah. 352 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,800 I mean on the opposite end too, I also saw comments that people, 353 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,480 and I won't spoil it, we can do it later, but like people also 354 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,040 didn't like the ending because some opinions I saw, right? 355 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,240 Like some opinions I saw were either it they didn't get the 356 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,400 ending they were expecting from what they got from the rest of 357 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,920 the show and it seemed like a cop out because they didn't know 358 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,440 how to end it. Or along those same lines like 359 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:14,040 the ending didn't fit the rest of the story and what people 360 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,800 assumes the ending would be. And like because as Jess was 361 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:24,160 saying this isn't the typical K drama, it doesn't fit into the 362 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,760 norm of AK drama and people were like well the ending does. 363 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:34,080 The ending is a classic K drama ending which is why I don't like 364 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,640 it because it doesn't fit the rest of the show. 365 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,800 That's kind of the opinions I've heard on the ending. 366 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,760 Other people I know loved it too but like that's just some 367 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,840 commentary. I mean granted again I finished 368 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,480 this 10 minutes ago so it was like this is like 2 seconds of 369 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Google. Search. 370 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440 On an ending because I was really trying to remind myself 371 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,280 of something I noticed in the end, which I'll reveal the 372 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:03,480 spoiler thing but. Yeah, the online complaints 373 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,080 range, they just ranged. And I think the complaints were 374 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,080 not quite specific enough for me to think the writing was 375 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,080 particularly bad. I think our quibbles are, I feel 376 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,680 are going to be all the same, but they're going to be 377 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,160 specific, right? But the online things that I 378 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,600 were seeing was like, oh, Gong, you finally acting with someone 379 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,600 in his age group. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, 380 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,600 whoa. Bitching about age gaps again. 381 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,800 Someone else again, people who haven't watched Kong Yu in other 382 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,200 things, likely his movies where he is butt naked with people. 383 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,800 Someone said I didn't know grandpa had it in him. 384 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,800 Oh God. Which is like 1. 385 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:59,120 Of the best kissers in the game, people, one of the. 40 What do 386 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,320 you mean? You wish you look that good at 387 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,760 40. 40. You wish you look like that at 388 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,800 40. I was. 389 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,160 Living living. Look, even before I watched this 390 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,840 and was like, I actually do appreciate his work and I really 391 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,080 liked this role. I have eyes. 392 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,120 I could look at him and be like, he's a fine man. 393 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,120 What do you mean I don't understand people? 394 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,600 I don't understand. Someone else said that one 395 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,680 really sent me. I had to like take a break from 396 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,520 social media after I read that one that I didn't know grandpa 397 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,680 had it in him because put some fucking respect on Khongyu's 398 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,480 name. First, second and third. 399 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,760 OK. The other thing that I read was 400 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,960 thinly developed characters. I see confusion running through 401 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,640 here. I do not I do not agree with 402 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:50,840 that. I. 403 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,760 Absolutely 100% disagree with that statement. 404 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,160 Were we watching the same show here? 405 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,120 Like that Is one of the best things about this show is the 406 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,720 character development? What do you mean? 407 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Now, there were some things I will say. 408 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,120 There's some things I wish they had developed more, which we can 409 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,040 get into. But I wouldn't say it's like 410 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,880 thinly develop. Not even like not one of these 411 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,360 characters are thinly developed. Like, it's not like Gongu's 412 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,840 characters, like has a whole back story and everybody else is 413 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,640 just like right here on the same plane or whatever. 414 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,360 I Yeah. They said nobody had a clear 415 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,200 want. Nobody had a clear. 416 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Why? Again, vastly. 417 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,920 Disagree. Disagree. 418 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,000 I mean, did this person watch this show? 419 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,600 Someone else, I won't say who it is, someone said one of the 420 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,320 worst K dramas I've ever seen in my life. 421 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,920 She could, whoever it is, clearly did watch the police. 422 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:54,120 I was going to say, I was going to throw back at Jess and say 423 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,120 clearly they. Haven't watched them. 424 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,480 I was going to say, clearly they haven't watched The Bride of 425 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Habec. Bride of Habec and. 426 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,360 Then the last thing that I had, not a Dirk hole, I paraphrased 427 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,840 that the romance was overshadowed by their exes and 428 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,080 their past traumas. I would say that is what made 429 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,240 the romance and the progression of their courtship, if you can 430 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,760 even call it that, was their exes. 431 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,400 I'm sorry. And their past like that thing 432 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,240 is too. If if you wanted the ending that 433 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,160 they gave at the end, you needed to get through that first. 434 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,560 Like they needed to come to terms with their trauma and or 435 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,240 like figure out the secrets that were going to be revealed in 436 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,360 this plot in order to get to the ending. 437 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,920 That was the ending. I think these people were just 438 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,240 going into this thinking it was going to be a romance. 439 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,800 I really think people just like. A straightforward romance. 440 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,640 Yeah, like what normal everybody seems to do is like, they go to 441 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,040 drama, right? Where did they get that idea? 442 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,040 But like. The trailers and the posters did 443 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,880 not give room. Like for once, actually for once 444 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,040 I will stand up and be like, look, it didn't give that vibe 445 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,800 to me. It did not give me like full out 446 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,400 romance vibe with what they were putting out. 447 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960 So I don't know what they were talking to you. 448 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,360 I don't know. We all know there's people out 449 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:33,560 there who just click play and be like it's a romance, it's going 450 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,320 to be a romance and then they get mad when there's no romance. 451 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,040 Like I see that countless times and crowd. 452 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,960 But there was like romance in this. 453 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,400 I know but like ROM com when I say romance they like they want 454 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,480 straight up ROM com. No darkness romance all the 455 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,960 time. I. 456 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,840 Think that's what people wanted it and yeah. 457 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,160 I agree with. You. 458 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,080 Yeah, I agree with you, Liliana. This trailer and these posters 459 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,840 did not give that whatsoever. And maybe people didn't watch 460 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,960 the trailer. Maybe. 461 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,720 Maybe there are people who don't watch trailers. 462 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,200 Fine, you don't watch the trailer, but you start at the 463 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,160 beginning of episode 1 and there's literally a dead body 464 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,320 and a shot. What do you expect you're going 465 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,840 to get like? I can't believe we're on the 466 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,680 same page about this. I thought one person would be on 467 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,320 the defense or on the offense here, but like we're all on the 468 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,320 same page. I want to reiterate to 469 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,440 listeners, we did not discuss at all the trunk for the last two 470 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640 months. We have not discussed the trunk. 471 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,200 We did not talk about it. Caitlin just finished it. 472 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,720 So it's incredible that we're all coming at this and we have 473 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,040 very similar thoughts. Again, if you've listened to 474 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,200 Drama Trio, we have very different taste in drama 475 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,680 sometimes and I'm just glad we're here. 476 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,600 I'm so glad we're here to talk about this because this, as you 477 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280 can see, was a very divisive show. 478 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Mixed bag. I wanted to talk really fast 479 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,440 about the book because a few people in our circle did buy the 480 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080 book and read it, read the translation of it. 481 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,600 And one of those people was Naz from the Soon Diaries podcast, 482 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,680 and she posted about it and I did talk to her about it, and 483 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,280 Naz hated the book. She thought it was awful. 484 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,400 This is a quote from her story, her Instagram story in December 485 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480 of 2024. She said it's completely 486 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,520 different from the show. I now understand why the show 487 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,640 had to take so many liberties because absolutely nothing 488 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,840 happened in this book. I'm truly baffled. 489 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,600 So if you'd like to talk to somebody who did read the book 490 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,400 and saw the show, definitely reach out to Naz from Swoon 491 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,920 Diaries pod. I'm sure she's more than willing 492 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,160 to talk about this show and the differences between the source 493 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,360 material and the show. We're not going to be talking 494 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360 about the differences. What I want to point out mostly 495 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:18,360 is that the book seems to be also divisive, and a lot of 496 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,200 liberties were taken right. What we got in the show is 497 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,760 loosely based on what the book had going in, if that makes any 498 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,360 sense. We got a different thing than 499 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,960 the book. With that being said, we're 500 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560 going to spoil the trunk. Get into more specifics about it 501 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,560 right after this. Excuse me, I can't, you know. 502 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,800 I have no tingle. Oh, sorry, swear. 503 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,080 Discussing shirts? What? 504 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,080 All right, we're on the other side of spoilers. 505 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160 During the break we were talking at length about how insulting 506 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:05,720 people were to Cong you and how they just don't understand age 507 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:12,920 and how time works, and he was just so rude of them to say that 508 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,880 about Kung Yu. Well, I think also too. 509 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,000 I mean, you said it earlier, Gong Yu is very picky about his 510 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,760 dramas. So there's years he doesn't have 511 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,600 a drama come out. And as you've said, people don't 512 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,840 watch movies like they, they, they he's a movie, he's a movie 513 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,560 actor. So I think a lot of people do to 514 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,360 K dramas becoming more popular over the next last five years or 515 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,360 so. There weren't a lot of dramas 516 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,640 with people of a, of actors and actresses of a certain age 517 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920 coming out becoming popular. I think we've seen a resurgence 518 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,400 of that. But like a lot of these older 519 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,440 actors and actresses were famous, famous in quotes like I, 520 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,360 I assume, I think they're still famous, but like their heyday 521 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,000 was when they're younger. And a lot of these newer 522 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:06,080 watchers have not gone back and watched those and seen these 523 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,760 when these actors and actresses when they were in their 20s and 524 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,400 30s. And so I think there comes a 525 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,160 they kind of avoid them now because they are older. 526 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,240 They're like, I'm not going to like that type of drama because 527 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,160 the actors are all older too. I think there's a, it's AI think 528 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,600 it's a combination of a bunch of stuff, but I think part of it is 529 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,400 the type of actor or type of watchers that are watching them 530 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,120 nowadays with what the dramas have been coming out in the last 531 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,960 five years or so. Because even with like Squid 532 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,600 Game like Squid Game season 1, Gongyu had a very small. 533 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,000 Role Oh yeah, it's. Done. 534 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,600 I, I hear, I hear in like season 2, it's a little bigger role. 535 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360 I haven't seen season 2 yet, but like I've heard it's a bigger 536 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,400 role and he did get recognition. He did get recognition more for 537 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,480 season 2. I saw a lot more people talking 538 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,960 about him per season 2 versus season 1. 539 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,240 All right, so we're going to get into the trunk and we're going 540 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520 to settle down into a little rhythm here. 541 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,040 We're going to talk about it. Caitlin, did you have anything 542 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,040 you wanted to start us off with since you are the freshest on 543 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,679 this? Yeah, I'll start off with 544 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,800 something a little comedic because it's going to be really 545 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,920 quick, but I was not expecting the cameo right out of the gate 546 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,120 in episode 1 of Jung Kung Ho. I like, was not expecting it 547 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,560 whatsoever. And then they all of a sudden 548 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,639 came out with that. And then I want to say. 549 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,400 Wait, there was also a second cameo, which you wouldn't know 550 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,880 it unless you looked up the cast list, but the other husband that 551 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,080 was on his deathbed and he was thanking her, all hooked up to 552 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,840 the machines and stuff. That was also somebody that was 553 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,560 a male lead from The Greatest Love. 554 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,960 You know that guy? Wow, yes. 555 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,840 I don't remember his name, but I do. 556 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,640 I do know who you're talking about. 557 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,440 Oh. My God, hold on, Chasung 1. 558 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Chasung, One who is also a star of yesteryear, who audiences 559 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,960 would recognize in Korea, but he's all covered up and you 560 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,040 would only know it if you looked at the credits. 561 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,400 But two cameos. All right, So the only notes 562 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,720 that I have are that the female lead shows up at his house with 563 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:34,760 her trunk, her own emotional baggage, so to speak, and she 564 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,560 immediately strips down naked and takes a shower in his 565 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,360 shower, which is really shocking and weird. 566 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,360 I thought that was very invasive. 567 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,960 I don't know if you guys had any thoughts about her method and 568 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,520 how she just sort of walks around and inspects the house 569 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,520 and opens all the closets and sees the other trunk in his 570 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,920 closet. And you can tell that she's just 571 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,800 rifling through his life and inserting herself. 572 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,080 And you can see that she is working him out, figuring him 573 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,000 out. And also it's figurative, right? 574 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,280 Like she's also doing that literally, but she's doing that 575 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:19,160 figuratively in his life. And this is a little violating. 576 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,560 I think to me that scene was almost like, yes, it was 577 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,640 invasive, but it's almost like her shedding her outside clothes 578 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,280 and kind of almost stepping into the character of his wife, if 579 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,720 that makes sense. That's what, yeah, that's what I 580 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:40,480 was going to say too. She's like going in, assessing 581 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,320 the situation, so to speak, so. I love that word. 582 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,880 Step into the role of wife, she is like almost evaluating what 583 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,920 does this role require of me? What is he going to require of 584 00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,520 me, so to speak. So I think that was a really in 585 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160 your face way of doing it almost. 586 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,840 But I, I liked how it was done because if you are watching this 587 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,960 and you weren't watching it with, you know, I don't know, a 588 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,960 deeper look or whatever, it can just look like she's getting 589 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,120 there and getting very comfortable and going for a 590 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,800 shower. But it's so much more than that, 591 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,160 I think. And this show is actually really 592 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,840 good at doing this sort of stuff where on the surface it seems 593 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,080 like something, but if you dig, it's got a lot of more baggage 594 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,120 for you to unpack. And I I really like that aspect 595 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,040 of it. So compare that with the other 596 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,400 wife, the ex-wife who I have in my notes, she is an emotional 597 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,320 terrorist. She. 598 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600 Needs therapy. Yeah, yeah, the woman needs some 599 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,720 serious therapy. That's basically all I have for 600 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,760 her. So she's an emotional terrorist? 601 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,240 I think some people almost commented that she's like a 602 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:05,960 sociopath or something because everything needs to be her 603 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,520 control and everything needs to be for her and what not. 604 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,920 And she is actually one of my quibbles with this show. 605 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,520 Her character. Oh. 606 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,600 Yeah, go for it, one. Of my quibbles, so it's not 607 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,000 necessarily throughout the show because I actually really 608 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,000 enjoyed the seeing Gongu's character like a break away from 609 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,240 her and it starts happening very quickly because I think it's 610 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,520 like episode 2 or something or episode 2 or 3. 611 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,640 It's like the smallest detail, but our female lead, she hurts 612 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,440 herself and he takes her to the hospital and he gong you gets a 613 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,400 call from his ex-wife and he's like, I'm really sorry I can't 614 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,840 talk right now. And he puts the phone down and 615 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,160 it's like it's the smallest thing. 616 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,880 But it's something that before, you know, in G came in. 617 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,640 He wouldn't have done that. So I actually really liked 618 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,920 having such a horrible character, her in a sense as the 619 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,360 ex-wife, because watching him break away from that was really 620 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,760 satisfying for me. But my quibble is horrending. 621 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,080 I didn't like it. I didn't like how her character 622 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,120 was just like, yeah, I know I'm bad and I'm dealing like I I'm 623 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,240 going to be that way and I'm dealing with it. 624 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,720 And it's kind of like, yeah, I needed a little bit more from. 625 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920 Yeah, I saw, I saw that complete too, just from a couple of 626 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,080 people that she didn't deserve her redemptive arc. 627 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,760 See I didn't really see it as redemptive arc. 628 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,160 Exactly. I don't think she even got one. 629 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,160 Yeah, that much. I mean, I think like she when 630 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,000 she got rejected and knew she couldn't get back with Gong Yu, 631 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,680 she tried to get back with the other dude and he ended it too. 632 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,320 And then at the very end. She was like, I'm going to help 633 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,800 this dude through his trial and get him a lawyer and then we'll 634 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,800 see what happens. Like, I I don't think she 635 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,720 learned anything. I think she wanted the other guy 636 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,080 because she can control him again. 637 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,240 She can. He has to do whatever she wanted 638 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:25,120 to do because of the contract. So I yeah, I don't, I don't see 639 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,400 her. I didn't see her having 640 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,120 redemptive arc whatsoever. Yeah, I think because there were 641 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,400 very few consequences for her, people thought, oh, redemptive 642 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,320 arc. Yeah, yeah. 643 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,600 But I don't think she, I mean what she got was nobody under 644 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,040 her thumb, nobody was within her grasp or control. 645 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,280 And that is torture for a narcissist. 646 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,440 Right. Yeah, absolutely. 647 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,160 Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. 648 00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,320 I, I think she got some a very sliver of punishment there where 649 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,000 she basically pushed everyone away due to her own antics and 650 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680 now she has nobody left to control. 651 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,840 She's just grasping at straws and trying to help this guy with 652 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,960 his murder trial. But you know, it is what it is. 653 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:23,280 She I think I had someone question me about the baby and 654 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,080 the chain of events of the baby. Yeah. 655 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,040 So I didn't really think it through. 656 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,480 I mean, I did think it through, but I didn't really put a lot of 657 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,120 thought into it, if that makes any sense. 658 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,600 She obviously her and Kong, you were going to have a child. 659 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,840 She was pregnant. I think she was somehow in her 660 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120 last trimester or something like that. 661 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,880 And there was a like a cutaway scene of her on the toilet 662 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,800 struggling. I thought it was she was having 663 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,000 a miscarriage. So what I I didn't get that from 664 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,360 the story. What I thought was because she 665 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,640 gets run over while she's pregnant. 666 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,440 Oh no, she doesn't get run over. She. 667 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,320 Steps, Yeah, sorry, she steps, she steps. 668 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,000 And I think that would have been actually something that I would 669 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,320 like them to explore the little bit in her character, because 670 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,760 they do talk about depression and whether she does that for 671 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,640 attention or not, or whether she's depressed in that moment 672 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,360 because she's losing everything and she doesn't want to be a mom 673 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,920 and she's now figuring out that she's going to have this baby. 674 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,000 Yeah, that was something that I wanted to pick at more, 675 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,080 definitely. Was her psyche there and how was 676 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:52,600 it because she was afraid of losing her power and identity as 677 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,480 a woman in her control over Kong you, who really did want to be a 678 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,840 father and was happy that she was pregnant and was looking 679 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,560 forward to the baby. And she was like, I've never 680 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,160 wanted to be a mother. I've never thought about this. 681 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,920 I hate being pregnant, so on and so forth. 682 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,960 I truly think she was having a miscarriage and then she was 683 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,880 already kind of hating the idea of having a baby, and then she 684 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:27,600 just hastened it along, stepped in front of the car to, I think, 685 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,440 just kill herself because, like, yeah, she was deeply unhappy. 686 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,360 It could have been, I don't know, hormones. 687 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,000 Pregnancy does weird things to women. 688 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,160 I'm just saying. It does. 689 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,080 It does, sorry, it does, and she survives. 690 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,360 But there's that dilemma where they asked the father, Kong, 691 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,240 you, what do you want to do? Save her or save the baby? 692 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,920 We can only save one. And he says save the baby. 693 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760 I don't whatever you do, save the baby. 694 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,880 She overhears this and it does horrible things to her mind. 695 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,320 And heart, actually, that whole segment is a very interesting 696 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,520 segment because who do you save in a situation like that? 697 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,400 There's couples that would argue save the mother. 698 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,560 We can try for another baby. You know, there's stuff like 699 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,520 that. There's couples that would argue 700 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,880 save the baby, but then you're not only a widowed father, but 701 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,680 you're also having to raise a newborn by yourself with, you 702 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,920 know, no experience. And I think that that was a 703 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,360 really interesting point that we can understand where Gongu's 704 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,800 character is coming from. But for a character like his 705 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,920 ex-wife, for somebody else that isn't even born to be chosen 706 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,880 over her from, you know, the husband that she thought was 707 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,600 under her thumb completely, that must have I. 708 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,120 Think. It broke her. 709 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,560 Because. She was already, yeah, she was 710 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,680 already unwell. And then that on top of it for 711 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,160 something that was so unwanted from her. 712 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,240 Yeah, that that would have broken her, I think. 713 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:29,080 Now, I don't know the laws or anything in Korea about should 714 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,640 they just have asked the mother if if she's lucid and she's 715 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,760 there, just ask her. She's a steward of her own 716 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,800 healthcare. Do you want us to save the baby 717 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,440 or not? I'm not sure if the husband 718 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,680 would be the one to make that decision. 719 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,120 I don't know. That seems like AK drama ISM. 720 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:56,400 But barring that, yeah, that is of conundrum that nobody wants 721 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,320 to answer. And the movie and the book are 722 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,080 both touted as being feminist. With that label in mind, what 723 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,920 how do you feel about her character? 724 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,440 The ex-wife I see, I kind of like, there's one specific scene 725 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,640 that I'm thinking about and you guys will know straight away 726 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,360 what scene it is that had a lot of people up in arms. 727 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,640 And it's the scene where her current husband is showering and 728 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,240 she comes in and kind of like is oogling him and whatnot. 729 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,440 And a lot of people had a lot of trouble with that scene 730 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,640 specifically because they thought it was done in poor 731 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,720 taste. And, you know, it wasn't 732 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,800 necessary. But I'm like, do you know what 733 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,400 that kind of like is woman forward, so to speak? 734 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,800 I don't understand why it was such badly received because I'm 735 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,560 like, why can't a woman do that? Why? 736 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,280 If it was a man in that situation, you probably wouldn't 737 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,000 have argued so much. Like why is there why are we 738 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,480 standing on here and saying, oh, that was done important. 739 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,160 No, it wasn't. She was looking at a fine man. 740 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,560 What do you want? Like what do you expect? 741 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:21,400 I was supposedly my husband that she's, you know, having lots of 742 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,200 sex with like what do you expect? 743 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,640 Yes. But I think also it, I think it 744 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,160 also played into her character. It wasn't just a woman. 745 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,040 It wasn't just a woman looking at a nice looking man. 746 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:44,120 It was a power play. It was her being like, I have a 747 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,080 contract with you, you have to do whatever I say. 748 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,120 And so that means I can you can't come over here, you can't 749 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,600 touch me, but I can look at you all I want. 750 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,800 And I mean, I think that fit her character to AT like she would. 751 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,160 It would definitely be something her character would do. 752 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:10,320 Yeah, the sex scenes as well as the denial of sex is all part of 753 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,200 her character, and I feel like it's very feminist, if that 754 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440 makes any sense. Like, yeah, why not? 755 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,200 Why not? Why can't you say no? 756 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,920 It's her body. It's her. 757 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,200 Yeah, like enough said, It's her body, so. 758 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,520 Why can't you say no? And why can't you do it on the 759 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,920 couch if you want? And The thing is, they are in a 760 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,360 contract relation, literally a contract relationship, and it 761 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,640 stipulates that she can do whatever the heck she wants, so 762 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,600 she's paying for it, so. Yeah. 763 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,320 So there was, there's a couple of things. 764 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,480 This leads into a couple of questions, which is, one, 765 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,520 thoughts on the sex scenes. 2 Was it gratuitous? 766 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,960 Which the overwhelming sense that I got online was yes. 767 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,120 People thought that all the sex scenes, especially with her, 768 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,160 were gratuitous. The ex. 769 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,920 And does it perpetuate the idea that all people with sexual 770 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,720 desire are evil because she is so unhinged? 771 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,200 OK, so again, I watched this after it aired, after everybody 772 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,680 had been talking about it, right? 773 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,840 So the way that people reacted about these sex scenes, I 774 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,960 thought one, I thought it was a completely different person 775 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,080 having sex scenes. I didn't understand. 776 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,240 I because like the ones that I read did not name a character in 777 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,280 in name. They just were like the sex 778 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,480 scenes are over the top or whatever. 779 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,880 So I was assuming it was the leads. 780 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,120 I was assuming it was Gong Yu and his relationship. 781 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,200 So I was very surprised when it was actually her. 782 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,160 And again, I think it fit her character really well. 783 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,560 Like, I didn't think it was over the top. 784 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,320 I think it was very much along with what her character was. 785 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,120 I mean, she knew she had this IUD in her. 786 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,080 She did not want to get pregnant again. 787 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,040 She was like, I'm paying for this dude to be my husband, this 788 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,240 nice, younger, very fit, good looking guy. 789 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,200 I'm going to have fun. I'm going to control him and 790 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,800 have a good time and use him. And she definitely used him 791 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,080 because I think there came a point in her relationship with 792 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,640 him where she was not satisfied by what she was trying to get 793 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,280 out of her ex-husband. So she went and had sex with him 794 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,280 to have some sort of control in her life because if she didn't 795 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,480 have her current husband, her life would fall apart. 796 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000 I did not think it was over the top. 797 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,960 I did not think it was like came out of nowhere. 798 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,760 Like, yeah, it was a little surprising because it's a like 799 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,440 you walk in and you think it's AK drama and then they have 800 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,400 that. But it's not like I was 801 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,120 expecting. I also was expecting with giving 802 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,760 people's reactions that it wouldn't be the woman that was 803 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,240 having a full frontal scene. I assumed it was the men, which 804 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:13,400 you normally don't even see in American television most of the 805 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,680 time. So I assumed I was fully 806 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,800 expecting to see male genitalia in this show. 807 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,800 And I didn't see anything. Like when she went into the 808 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,880 locker room to look at her husband. 809 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,000 I was like, oh, OK, this is the scene that you're going to see 810 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,480 the male genitalia. No, not at all. 811 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,840 So no, I did not. I disagreed with most of what 812 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,720 people said. Also their reaction. 813 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,360 I assumed there was going to be a lot more sex scenes. 814 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,840 Yeah, there wasn't. That bad 'cause there's really 815 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,600 one, there's like one sex scenes, Yeah. 816 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,720 So yeah. I thought the same thing. 817 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,720 I've honestly, personally, I just kind of went, I don't know, 818 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:55,040 maybe I'm just desensitized or maybe I just thought it was 819 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,800 fitting. When they cut to it, I didn't 820 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,760 even blink. I didn't even bat an eye. 821 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,800 I was like, this is this fits. And we kept going. 822 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,920 Then it was the next couple of nights that I looked online and 823 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,360 I was like, oh shit, people have not seen ass before. 824 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,600 People don't know how to act. And it was incredible. 825 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,800 The viral videos that were being shared about this stupid ass sex 826 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,880 scene that I thought was nothing to write home about. 827 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,640 I don't know. I don't know. 828 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,240 Again, maybe this show benefits from an older audience and the 829 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,840 youngins just haven't been here long enough to see some of this 830 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,800 in AK drama or just. I mean, I was shocked. 831 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,720 I was shocked that people were clutching pearls over this. 832 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,600 It was to me, like you both said, it fitted her character. 833 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,160 It's just a woman taking her pleasure how she wants it. 834 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,040 I mean, and it fits with her character and her control. 835 00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,400 And also it kind of adds another layer to because then later on, 836 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,000 we do have a sex scene between, you know, our main couple. 837 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,640 And you can kind of see the differences of, you know, what 838 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,360 they're building and the type of relationships in those scenes. 839 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,640 And you know, you can directly compare them and say this is, 840 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,160 you know what a healthier at that point. 841 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,640 It's not quite healthy yet, but you know what I mean? 842 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,160 They're working on it. They care for each other. 843 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:33,400 They're working on a situation as directly opposed to the 844 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:39,080 ex-wife that feels like she's using her current husband for 845 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,960 her needs and to fulfil whatever black hole she has in her soul, 846 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,120 so to speak. So it didn't bother me. 847 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,880 It didn't. Didn't bother me. 848 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,640 And bother me, yeah. I thought people were going to 849 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,320 talk more about the fact that this show has a weird neutral 850 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:03,280 perspective on sex work because these contracts. 851 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,200 Absolutely, Absolutely. Are low key sex work and I was 852 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,720 like, oh, they're prostituting themselves in in this marriage, 853 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,240 in the context of this marriage and just slapping the label 854 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:19,720 marriage on it. Make it better, make it all OK 855 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,520 or you know what what is is it condemning it? 856 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,720 Is it celebrating it? No, the show is very neutral on 857 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,320 it. So I thought people were going 858 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,240 to talk about that more than hey, they're bumping and 859 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,200 grinding. Fuck yeah, they are like that's 860 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,960 the whole thing. Let's move past it. 861 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,560 But also, I wonder if they could have just said no, if that makes 862 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,680 sense, because that would make the difference. 863 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,240 Because this freaking manual that everybody and their mother 864 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:54,480 keeps mentioning never shows up. So we don't know what the rules 865 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,760 are for these freaking marriages, right? 866 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,360 Because Angie does say, I think they do have a conversation and 867 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,200 our main couple and they do have a conversation about, you know, 868 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,120 sex and whatnot. And I think she says if we're 869 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,520 both wanting it or something along those lines. 870 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,320 Guys, I watch this. That's. 871 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,600 Basically what Yeah, that's basically what she did say. 872 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,960 And it was the same with like if they ever wanted a divorce, they 873 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,480 both have would have would need to say yes, I want this divorce. 874 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,400 So yes, you are correct. There is this conversation about 875 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,520 consent because if she feels uncomfortable or she doesn't 876 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,480 want to but they won't, they don't. 877 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,760 So I think for the ex-wife it's a little bit different because 878 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,880 the guy for some reason, goodness. 879 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,520 Oh, he's into her. He wants to jump her bumps. 880 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,720 He's. Into her. 881 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:50,200 So I think that's why the thought of almost prostitution 882 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,280 didn't even cross my mind in a way, because there was kind of 883 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,600 like for our main couple, there was a clear conversation had 884 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,240 about it and there was consent and whatnot. 885 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,680 I'm not saying that in prostitution there isn't 886 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,440 consent, but you know what I mean? 887 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,200 Like that with the ex-wife as well. 888 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,360 The man wanted to jump her bones, like you said. 889 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,800 So right, right. They were all just consenting 890 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,080 adults. I'd like what what do you want? 891 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,000 There was I, I don't know what else to say. 892 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,640 I think the other thing a lot of people had problems with though, 893 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,400 which I also liked, like one of the things that we said, I am 894 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,720 switching gears in this dress, so it's. 895 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,520 Not no, it's OK, I'm not. I'm not going to be talking 896 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,360 about the sex scenes anymore. I mean, might be, but like in 897 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,400 the end of the year episode with Liliana, I said I like I wanted 898 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,880 more dramas with Gray characters, with morally Gray, 899 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,160 not black and white, that thing. I got the feeling a lot of 900 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,680 people were not expecting everybody to be flawed in this, 901 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:01,360 and I loved that. Part of this drama is just like 902 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,320 everybody had trauma, everybody was flawed, Everybody had stuff 903 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,520 that they were trying to work through. 904 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,040 Whether they did add by the end or not, that's a different 905 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,000 story. But like, I loved that part and 906 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,920 I don't think people were expecting that at all. 907 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,240 Yeah, for whom? You. 908 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,800 I think people definitely had to rethink his character when you 909 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,720 find out that he was like, yeah, kill my wife. 910 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,000 Right, right. Save the baby. 911 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,200 Yeah, but in I mean, I actually did not think that was I'm 912 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,480 again, I mean, this is a there was a horrible situation to put 913 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,080 him in. I would never want to have be in 914 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,760 that situation, but let alone watching your own wife step in 915 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,360 front of a car to get away from that situation. 916 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,640 Like, I can't even. Yeah, I can't even imagine. 917 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,880 So like, on one hand, I could, I sort of could understand that 918 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,560 answer because he was probably pissed at her. 919 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,640 He probably was like, I'm so happy that you're pregnant. 920 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,240 I'm going to have this baby. I've always wanted to be a 921 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,440 father. Always wanted a family. 922 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,600 Be the opposite of what my family life was and you 923 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,680 literally took that from me by your own selfish. 924 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,840 And granted, yeah, they didn't communicate and he didn't know 925 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,160 how horribly sad she was and whatever, but like, I can't 926 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,880 really 100% blame him for the him saying that either because 927 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:39,320 that's got to be trauma within himself within itself to see 928 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,960 your wife intentionally walk out in the middle of the street to 929 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,400 kill yourself and your baby. You also have to rethink Kung Yu 930 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,480 when he's still living in the house. 931 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,320 Yes, that too. That too. 932 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,400 The entire fact that he's still in that house, no matter the 933 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,440 fact that the ex-wife completely redid the house, remodeled it, 934 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,200 whatever, He's still living in that house where so much shit 935 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,840 went down with his father, with his mother. 936 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,560 And I would be the first one to sell the shit out of the house 937 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,640 and get the fuck out of Dodge. He's. 938 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,960 Choosing to stay in that, choosing to. 939 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:25,000 Stay there, stay in that trauma, wallow in there and not move on. 940 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,200 And there's something very childish about Kong you and even 941 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,080 about his profession that he doesn't even have like a grown 942 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,680 up profession. He just like goes to work 943 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,920 whenever he feels like it and he's this vague music producer. 944 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,960 We never really see who he's producing. 945 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,040 And he doesn't have any issues with money. 946 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,600 He doesn't even care about money while his business partner in 947 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,960 the music production business is struggling financially. 948 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,040 Over and over we see that he's like, we're about to go under. 949 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,120 He's telling his wife we can't do this, we can't do that. 950 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,040 He's constantly thinking about financial troubles and Kong you 951 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,800 in his own fucking world. So Kong you is so removed for 952 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,960 he's so insulated in this trauma House of his and you have to 953 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,560 think he's fucked in the head. He needs therapy just like 954 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,960 everybody else, no matter how everybody has needs therapy. 955 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,840 But Kong you has a lot to work through in this show, this 956 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,520 character and what's her face to Angie, the female lead. 957 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,160 Oh my God, boy, does she have stuff she has to work through as 958 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,360 well? I feel like we haven't touched 959 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,280 on her and her back story, but anything that's happened with 960 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,240 her mom, I don't really quite understand. 961 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,600 I wish we saw more of what happened there in the fallout 962 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,480 with her and her mom and then living in her own trauma house. 963 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,320 A lot of like pot calling the cattle black here because she is 964 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,160 living when she's not on a job and in a marriage. 965 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,760 She's living in her own trauma house. 966 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,920 Keeping this apartment that her ex fiance abandoned and ghosted 967 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,480 her keeping it just as he left it. 968 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,920 Everything in place. The neighbor keeps putting fish 969 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,040 back in the fish tank when they die. 970 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:20,440 Like it is a pristine shrine to this dude and this whole thing 971 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,880 of he's gay and was had this I think was it like an orgy video 972 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,760 that came out just before their wedding. 973 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,240 I don't even fucking know. It was this whole thing, this 974 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:30,920 whole. Stink. 975 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,480 He was bisexual. Like a bisexual. 976 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,760 Yeah. Basically what happened was the 977 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,440 stalker guy found out she was marrying him. 978 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,200 He he, he revealed the photos to her mother. 979 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:55,160 Her mother put it all online, which caused him to be outed 980 01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:02,640 basically to everybody in Korea. And he up and left and left in G 981 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,840 to deal with the fallout. Yeah. 982 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,480 That's a lot. Like, that's a lot to be living 983 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:13,440 through and grieving because you can see that she is grieving 984 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,480 that relationship and she really hasn't stopped grieving all 985 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,400 these years. There is no closure for her. 986 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,840 Yeah, I was going to say that. There's never been any closure 987 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,760 for her until he comes back and they have that final 988 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,120 conversation. I think that's when she shuts 989 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,440 the door on that relationship, I think. 990 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,120 Yeah, so then too, there's so much going on there. 991 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:45,160 Of course, the ex-wife who is emotionally manhandling Kong Yu, 992 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,560 who has this codependency on her, he has relied on her his 993 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:54,600 whole life and she has manipulated him literally his 994 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:55,760 whole life. I think they were childhood 995 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,440 sweethearts. At least college sweethearts. 996 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,080 Maybe not childhood, but college at least. 997 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,120 It's just a really bizarre relationship. 998 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,680 I think that he basically latched on to whoever was near 999 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:14,120 and she was nearby and relished, you know, the power that she had 1000 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,200 over him. And that turned into a really 1001 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,000 toxic marriage. You know, she never wanted to be 1002 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,160 a family, and that's what Kong you wanted and needed. 1003 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,240 And she really imploded that one. 1004 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,840 The thing is, I was just going to say on Gongiu's character, it 1005 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,440 would have been actually interesting because he said he 1006 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,560 so wanted to be a dad, but I don't think he could have been a 1007 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,840 dad at that point. And there's like a much deeper 1008 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:48,160 conversation about that because he's not mentally stable. 1009 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,720 No, not at all. And to bring a child into that 1010 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,960 environment, it would have been catastrophic, I think. 1011 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,720 And he doesn't see that because obviously when once, if you're 1012 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,200 in it, you won't be able to see it. 1013 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,720 And I think that's the type of nuances that you get in this 1014 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,040 show that as an outsider, as somebody watching the show will 1015 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,360 be able to pick up on it. And some people may watch it and 1016 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,360 be like, but I can see it like why? 1017 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,600 Why? But obviously the characters are 1018 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,440 in it. They will not have that outside 1019 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:29,200 perspective that we are getting. So I think a lot of people might 1020 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,040 have forgotten that when they were watching this show for a 1021 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,280 bit. Yeah, and I mean, even even if 1022 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,520 he was in the good mindset to have a child and be a father, 1023 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,240 the wife definitely was not. So like it would have destroyed, 1024 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,080 it would have destroyed their marriage anyway. 1025 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,000 Because I don't think he, I mean, they were both selfish in 1026 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,280 their own way. I don't think he, I mean, I 1027 01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:00,640 don't think, I know he was not thinking of his wife at all 1028 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,160 during those 910 months that she was pregnant. 1029 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:07,680 He was like, I need this child. I'm going to be the father. 1030 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,200 And then she didn't want the child. 1031 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,600 She probably would have just shunned the child and I. 1032 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,960 Think she was jealous of it? Yeah, definitely, definitely 1033 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,520 jealous of it and definitely did not like the fact that he was 1034 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,280 happy for the child and not necessarily happy when he was 1035 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,160 around her at all. That the source of his happiness 1036 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,000 was this. Child. 1037 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,280 Yeah. Instead of her. 1038 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,240 Right. Yeah, like even that's even the 1039 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:43,440 the situation she had when she almost had to have a 1040 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,760 hysterectomy. Oh yeah. 1041 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:51,040 And she was sad that she hadn't gotten to that point that they 1042 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,680 saved her uterus and saved everything. 1043 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,600 And she was like, it would have been so much easier if I had 1044 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,760 gotten this hysterectomy, like, because she did not want to get 1045 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,840 pregnant again, did not absolutely did not want to get 1046 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,800 pregnant again. That was very telling of her 1047 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,120 character. For sure, she should have just 1048 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,160 had it go on hormones the rest of her life. 1049 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,720 So let's talk about the stalker. You mentioned the stalker. 1050 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,520 I think this is a blight on the show. 1051 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,880 I do not care for the stalker. The stalker is pretty vague. 1052 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,160 We do not have a lot of info on the stalker. 1053 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,120 Utterly useless of a character I have like here in my notes. 1054 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,920 Stalker took an unhealthy obsession with her after she 1055 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,840 took a cooking class once. Do I have that right? 1056 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,320 Yeah, yeah. At first I thought he was an 1057 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,120 ex-husband of hers, like one of the people that she had 1058 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,560 marriages with. But no, it was just a random 1059 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,280 guy. Which I mean, to its credit, 1060 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,000 that's mostly how that happened. Like, not mostly, but that that 1061 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,400 is a common thing that you just randomly walk past somebody and 1062 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,680 all of a sudden it's a stalker. Or you take one class of theirs 1063 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:07,920 and all of a sudden it's a stalker. 1064 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,800 Whatever. But yeah, like he wasn't even 1065 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,880 like a main character in her life. 1066 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,880 It was just a random passing in a class that she took. 1067 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,800 Didn't he actually used to work for the company she worked at as 1068 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,040 like some type of security person? 1069 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,240 If I'm. That was, that was the ex. 1070 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,240 That was the husband of the ex. Wife, yeah, but I I think he was 1071 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,440 also because I know we had this question on the tea and so like 1072 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,200 when we did it maybe I'm misremembering I'll have to 1073 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:45,560 listen back, but either somebody messaged me this or afterwards 1074 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,720 because I had the same question about how they had met and I 1075 01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,560 think somebody had said that she. 1076 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:57,400 Took a coping class. But he also worked at the same 1077 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,440 company that and that's where they saw each other for the 1078 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,360 first time was at this company. Tiebreaker. 1079 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,200 I know I, I think, I don't think he ever worked for the company. 1080 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,600 I think he worked for the. Company. 1081 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,000 I think he was just a passerby who became obsessed with her and 1082 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,399 then followed her everywhere and disrupted her and got into the 1083 01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,720 company and tried to, I don't know, whatever he wanted to do 1084 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,439 in that lobby of that company when he killed the security 1085 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,479 guard. Now this is a very real fear for 1086 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,680 women is that you just get a stalker and it escalates and 1087 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,439 escalates. There's really nothing that the 1088 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,000 police can do. They won't take it seriously. 1089 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,359 They haven't done anything to you. 1090 01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,560 They're just making you feel uncomfortable. 1091 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,000 And it becomes a problem when the woman loses her life. 1092 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,800 So Liliana, you are correct, but he didn't work for the company 1093 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,920 so apparently Google. I don't remember this, I thought 1094 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,439 it was a cooking class or something. 1095 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:10,760 Apparently the company hired him to be a self defensive 1096 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:16,479 instructor for the girls, for the men or the wives or 1097 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,760 whatever, and he essentially became obsessed with her through 1098 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,880 those self-defense classes. So we're technically both right? 1099 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,800 Yes, he was employed by the company but it was a 1100 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:33,680 self-defense contractor class so they didn't meet in a class and 1101 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,520 ironically he was hired by the company. 1102 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,479 I thought it was a. Cooking class. 1103 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,880 Because, because, because then when they talk about it with 1104 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:48,520 like his CEO, the CEO said it would look bad on the company if 1105 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,640 we had hired somebody who'd done this. 1106 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:55,480 So we took care of it by sending him to a psych ward quietly 1107 01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:59,280 instead. So that's why I thought I 1108 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,560 remembered something along the lines that he had done something 1109 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,760 for the company. Well, no, it would look bad on 1110 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,520 the company because he entered the premises, killed an employee 1111 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,960 of the company, was stalking an employee of the company who was 1112 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,440 the female lead. And then if they went to the 1113 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,960 police, the police would be like, oh, OK, So asking a bunch 1114 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,200 of questions, what do you do? What does this company do? 1115 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,360 When on what day did he come by yada yada. 1116 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,080 And this whole subdivision of this company is under the table. 1117 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:31,720 This is. Illegal. 1118 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,880 Yeah, right. These. 1119 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,840 Contract marriages are illegal, so that's why they're like, we 1120 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,640 can't let this get out. We have to handle this quietly. 1121 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,160 Right. But yeah, you guys are both 1122 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:45,640 right. We're, we're both right 1123 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,560 essentially is yes, he did work for the company, but not in the 1124 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,400 capacity that we assumed he'd be working for the company. 1125 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,000 OK well I did appreciate that one-on-one he had with the 1126 01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,360 ex-wife when he mocked her and imitated her. 1127 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,400 Oh, that was juicy. That was great. 1128 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:07,160 I think the actor who played him was phenomenal. 1129 01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:10,720 Oh yeah, I had never, I had never seen him in a drama 1130 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,360 before. And if I I didn't remember him 1131 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,800 from a drama before. Yeah, I but I would say this 1132 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,520 storyline is a Horror Story in real life. 1133 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,040 So many stories of stalkers very much like this, and it just 1134 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,480 escalates and it always ends really badly. 1135 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:33,480 When Konyu invites him into the house, I was like, oh. 1136 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,280 I was like, what the hell are you doing? 1137 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,360 What the fuck? Yeah, that was a wild choice on 1138 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,640 his part. I was like, what are you doing? 1139 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,280 You are literally bringing his stalker into her inner sanctum. 1140 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,880 What are you doing? What are you doing? 1141 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,520 Also, by the way, the actor who played her contract marriage 1142 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,160 husband, The actor who played the husband, the contract 1143 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,640 husband, this is his first acting role. 1144 01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,400 Oh, oh, for the ex-wife. For the ex-wife, yes. 1145 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,280 OK. This is his first acting role. 1146 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:10,160 Oh. My God, apparently he was on a 1147 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,600 dating show. Like a reality dating show. 1148 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:19,960 Yeah, he fine the but yeah, so Kong Yu again, that character 1149 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,400 just allowing the stalker into the house and being like pretty 1150 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:30,280 please stop stalking my wife. Yeah, yeah, where's a shotgun? 1151 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,160 Like get off my property that I don't understand that at all. 1152 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:40,600 It was a very childish move. Again, so sheltered and no St. 1153 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,320 smarts at all from Kong. Yu's character doesn't 1154 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,680 understand the threat to his wife, you know in G at all. 1155 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,880 Oh God. I just didn't understand the 1156 01:12:53,560 --> 01:13:00,440 stalker and how it just. That was the tension of the show 1157 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,440 that I couldn't get behind. I agree. 1158 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,560 Yeah, I it it wasn't needed and I wasn't. 1159 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,000 Needed. They could have gone the route 1160 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,200 of beefing up NM Corporation to be more sinister. 1161 01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,720 That's what I wanted them to do. I wanted to know more about the 1162 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,880 company. I mean, you could do like 1163 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,120 multiple seasons of this show with different couples and 1164 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,800 different thing. Like there's a lot you could do 1165 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,680 with that. You could do multiple seasons. 1166 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,680 There's like a whole universe you could do with this company 1167 01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,600 of like different characters, different stories, how they 1168 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,720 started it in the first place. Like the director is very 1169 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,120 mysterious in general of like, why did she start this company 1170 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,640 in the 1st place when she like she had that one liner in like 1171 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,680 the last episode of oh, in my marriage in the first two or 1172 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,840 three years. I wanted to kill him too. 1173 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,520 I was like, OK, well, did you end up killing him? 1174 01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:01,520 Like what's going on there? Prequel But yeah, I think I 1175 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,160 think it was like, as you said, just I think it was there to add 1176 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:10,400 tension, but there was so much tension with the ex-wife and how 1177 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,640 crazy she was and even the tension with her contract 1178 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,200 husband herself. Like, one of my favorite scenes 1179 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,400 is when they were all together having that dinner, and there 1180 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,240 was so much tension between the four of them trying to size each 1181 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,080 other up and, like, figure out what was going on. 1182 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,800 That is what was enjoyable about this drama. 1183 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,720 And yeah, the stalker murder part wasn't really needed. 1184 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,560 Not at all. Talking of scenes that I really 1185 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,720 liked, the kiss scene between our couple calling you is one of 1186 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:54,920 the best kissers bar none. And the scene where his father 1187 01:14:54,920 --> 01:15:00,240 dies and he has to attend the funeral, presumably by himself, 1188 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:04,360 and the ex-wife shows up. Yeah, yeah. 1189 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:10,760 I have, I, I have like literally the quote from that scene 1190 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,400 because I love this so much. Let me find it. 1191 01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,840 Let me go through it. Caitlin, you go ahead and sit 1192 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:24,720 like, oh, episode 5, episode 50, basically she comes back. 1193 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,440 So basically they have this interaction between a female 1194 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:32,080 lead and the ex-wife in the bathroom where she's like, I'm 1195 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,920 going to take over now. I was going to swear, but you 1196 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,360 know, basically go walking. Swear it's fine. 1197 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:45,600 And then she comes back and she sits down next to our male lead 1198 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,280 and she says to him, Miss Ayon is gone, I'll accompany you now. 1199 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,240 And he says to her, what about the manual? 1200 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:58,280 And she says, I think I'll take today off because basically what 1201 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,400 they had said about that. Then she gives him like her hand 1202 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,640 and holds his hand for comfort and whatnot. 1203 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,480 What she had say was it isn't in the manual or something along 1204 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:12,200 those lines for her not attending, you know, the funeral 1205 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,440 and playing his wife. So that's what she says in that 1206 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:18,400 scene. But even like just a 1207 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,720 conversation between those, it's just like so simple. 1208 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,920 All she says is I'll accompany you now. 1209 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,920 Like the other one's gone. I'm here now, I'll support you. 1210 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,960 And she just gives him his hand. I like her hand for comfort. 1211 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,800 And it's such a direct comparison to his ex-wife when 1212 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,000 she was standing there and being like poking at him and like 1213 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,840 dragging him and whatnot. And performative. 1214 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,560 Exactly, exactly. And our female lead comes in and 1215 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,280 she doesn't even care for the people that are around. 1216 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,520 She is like, is there for him, solely focused on him. 1217 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,920 So yeah, I really like that scene as well. 1218 01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,560 Wonderful scene. The scene so their face off in 1219 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,960 the bathroom is great and also their face off in like the 1220 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,320 construction site. Oh yeah, yeah. 1221 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,560 They start like throwing hands. Oh, love that part. 1222 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:13,600 Love that part and any interaction between them is so 1223 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,560 biting. I love it. 1224 01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:23,560 The scene of I think it's the scene where Angie finds the 1225 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,640 camera. She has this whole like she says 1226 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,080 to the ex-wife, don't you know his father put a camera in that 1227 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,960 chandelier to spy on his mom and you're doing the same thing and 1228 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,560 yada yada. I just love how Angie handles it 1229 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:44,680 because I feel like most people would tell Kong Yu's character 1230 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,120 right away, but she doesn't. Why do you think she doesn't 1231 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,040 tell him? I think like she said in the 1232 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,320 drama, like she didn't know how to and I really think I think 1233 01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,440 that was why like, how do you tell somebody who knows? 1234 01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:05,080 And I I'm sort of speaking from personal experience on this is 1235 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,200 like you tell somebody who you have been married to who you 1236 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,000 have built this life with, you think you're going to end up 1237 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:18,480 together forever and you tell them the darkest secrets and the 1238 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:22,480 things that like the lines they cannot cross in their 1239 01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:24,880 relationship. Like everybody has boundaries. 1240 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,400 Everybody has that line that if they cross, it is done. 1241 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,240 And the cameras was gong use line. 1242 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:37,480 He told her this in and became vulnerable and was like, this is 1243 01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:41,040 my trauma. This is what happened to me in 1244 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,360 this house. And she used that against him 1245 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:49,720 and she use that for her extremely selfish ways of 1246 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,080 controlling him because she realized she was losing that 1247 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,960 control. And that like, I don't know how 1248 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:04,600 you tell somebody that, like how you reveal that this line that 1249 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:09,760 you had this boundary that you had and trusted that boundary to 1250 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,280 somebody else who you thought was going to be your forever 1251 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,640 partner. I found out they crossed that 1252 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,360 boundary and they basically crossed the line. 1253 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,520 That was your line. You don't cross. 1254 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:27,520 And I would find that. I mean, for me, I don't know. 1255 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,640 I would be it. Would be. 1256 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,360 Very difficult for me to tell somebody that, but at the same 1257 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,240 time, if I was that person and it. 1258 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:43,400 It's so like, invasive and so voyeuristic, and I had no idea 1259 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,720 that was happening. And then the person who's living 1260 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,280 with me knows. I actually was expecting Gong Yu 1261 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,520 to hate her after finding that out. 1262 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,640 Which was this? Yeah. 1263 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,120 Angie. And I was surprised by his 1264 01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,560 reaction because he knew she knew eventually. 1265 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,240 So I could kind of understand, I could definitely understand why 1266 01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,680 she did not know how to tell him because how do you tell somebody 1267 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,880 that? But on the other hand, it's like 1268 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,560 if I was gong you, I would want to know that. 1269 01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:19,240 That's just like, it's really complicated, so complicated and. 1270 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,840 I do think what helps is that footage that he saw of Ng 1271 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,120 crying, right? At the table, yeah. 1272 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:34,320 That I think did wonders for his softened reaction toward Angie, 1273 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,920 if there was ever going to be a blowout reaction toward her, 1274 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:43,280 because you could see that she is devastated for him and 1275 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,840 saddened by the situation and doesn't know what to do, how to 1276 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,920 handle it, how to tell him. So her crying there and and 1277 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,840 sobbing at the kitchen table I think was the perfect thing for 1278 01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,280 him to see right when he saw the cameras. 1279 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,360 Yeah, that was horrible. That was horrendous. 1280 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:08,160 And my question was, did who you tell that to his ex-wife as well 1281 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,520 about the camera situation? Because he definitely said that 1282 01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,520 to Ng. Oh, she definitely knew. 1283 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,040 She. She definitely. 1284 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,040 Knew she definitely knew about his whole thing with that camera 1285 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,480 stuff because Angie, even Angie was like, how could you do that 1286 01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:23,760 to him? She knew she knew though they 1287 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,280 were there. She knew that whole story and 1288 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,320 that whole background definitely. 1289 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,600 And she stabbed him in the heart with. 1290 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:31,960 It did it anyway. Betrayed him. 1291 01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,800 Yeah, yeah. For her own like she just could 1292 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:40,120 not fathom the idea that she would have to live apart from 1293 01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,720 him for a year and not be able to control. 1294 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,840 Him and not be. Able and not know what was going 1295 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,080 on in that house. Yeah. 1296 01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:52,640 Especially because she knew they both recognized her from that 1297 01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,240 graduation scene. They both did. 1298 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,600 And they both knew. Like, she specifically chose her 1299 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,040 for that reason. She was trying to control even 1300 01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,880 them together. So let's switch gears to the 1301 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:11,040 mystery thriller aspect and the police procedural that was at 1302 01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,960 the front and end of every episode. 1303 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,160 There was a mystery of like, who got killed? 1304 01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,560 Was it Indie? Was it this person? 1305 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,360 Was it the stalker who got murdered halfway through the 1306 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,320 show? Halfway through the show, they 1307 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:30,560 tell you it's the stalker. And then you're like, OK, so I'm 1308 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,840 not upset. Like I don't even care who did 1309 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,520 it, it just I thought that was another blight on the show. 1310 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,360 I did not give a shit about the police procedural. 1311 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,880 It was very when the Camellia blooms to me. 1312 01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,800 Caitlin's laughing. So did you guys have thoughts 1313 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,640 about it? I was just going to say I didn't 1314 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,040 care for it. I didn't think it added anything 1315 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:57,080 to the show, but also I think the constant switch back and 1316 01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:04,640 forth was a bit jarring at times and it wasn't obvious that you 1317 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,880 were what timeline you were. Following I would agree. 1318 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,960 So I think that made it very confusing. 1319 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,840 They could have done it. I don't know gradiate it like 1320 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,480 with a different colored. I don't know, they could have 1321 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,040 done something. They could have changed the 1322 01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,600 cinematography or the color. Green, yeah, it's different to 1323 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,800 me. For sure what you were looking 1324 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,280 at. Yeah, exactly. 1325 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,280 So for the first couple of episodes, you're kind of like 1326 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,960 what is happening, and then you kind of have to figure out that 1327 01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,920 everything that is cop related is in the future and everything 1328 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,960 else is in the past. But I just felt like that was 1329 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,400 jarring and I didn't think it was needed. 1330 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,840 I don't think the stalker storyline was needed at all. 1331 01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:49,600 There was plenty for the show to like sink their teeth into or 1332 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,720 without having all of that. And again, I couldn't care less 1333 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:58,880 that the stalker died. I didn't think, you know, I 1334 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,600 thought it was a bit ridiculous having the ex wife's current 1335 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,720 husband kill him. I was like, what is he like, 1336 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,200 why? I don't know. 1337 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:13,400 This doesn't feel like why, why is he even doing that? 1338 01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,960 I didn't quite. For me personally, I didn't 1339 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:23,040 think his reasons were strong enough to warrant that response 1340 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,480 in a way because from what I gather he didn't want him to 1341 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,200 released the documents because that would bring the company 1342 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:34,160 down and he didn't want his fake marriage to end or something 1343 01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,000 along those lines. That's kind of like what I. 1344 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,760 It was also revenge. It was revenge because he 1345 01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,400 killed. He was a keeper. 1346 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,200 He was a security guard before he became a husband. 1347 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:48,680 So he killed his colleague. His coworker was killed in front 1348 01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,680 of him in the lobby. So he killed the serial killer, 1349 01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,240 the stalker guy to get revenge for his Co worker? 1350 01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,720 Yeah, that husband. That fine fine husband had 1351 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,520 trauma of his own. Yeah, I don't think you're 1352 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,160 wrong, Liliana. I think that also was an aspect 1353 01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:10,720 that he didn't want the marriage to end, so getting rid of the 1354 01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:15,680 stalker would preemptively maybe not Ngongyu's marriage as well 1355 01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,960 as his own marriage. So I think you aren't wrong in 1356 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,840 your reasoning too. But I actually was surprised by 1357 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,480 that. I wasn't expecting him to be the 1358 01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:29,920 person who did it at all. So I, because it was so 1359 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,440 unpredictable, because he never really crossed my mind, I didn't 1360 01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:38,560 expect him to be a security guard or a keeper of the 1361 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,840 company. I always assumed he was just the 1362 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,200 husband, whatever. So that was surprising. 1363 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,400 But then the also the other thing that, and this was like my 1364 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,480 own imagination, which I wish they kind of did, but they 1365 01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:53,680 didn't. When she goes into the field to 1366 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,520 get this trunk right and to open this trunk and she realized she 1367 01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,360 couldn't open it because it's the wrong trunk. 1368 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,000 Yeah. Before they, and this was before 1369 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,640 they revealed what was actually in the trunk. 1370 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,280 Right. I immediately was like OK who in 1371 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,640 the house also works for this for this company who also is a 1372 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:18,400 contract wifer, her husband. I was like is gong you also a 1373 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,480 contract husband? Like what is going on? 1374 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,400 Or was the ex-wife also a contract wife? 1375 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,480 What is going on? Of course that didn't happen, 1376 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:30,760 but that was where my mind went when the second trunk was 1377 01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,920 because like, what are the odds that the same trunk exists twice 1378 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,160 in the house? Granted, she found it when she 1379 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,640 was first unpacking in episode 1, but still it's. 1380 01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:47,960 Because she made it, the ex-wife made it so because the ex-wife. 1381 01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:53,360 So there's a flashback that Angie is buying that specific 1382 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:58,160 trunk and gong, you and the ex-wife are in the shop and she 1383 01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:04,480 says I want that trunk as well. So she made it that way because. 1384 01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,880 She's crazy. Right, right, right. 1385 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,920 I forgot. I forgot about that scene. 1386 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1387 01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,200 What did you think? I was think of what was inside 1388 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,720 the trunk. That was the other bit of this 1389 01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,680 mystery was what could possibly be inside this trunk. 1390 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:25,040 We find out that it's baby clothes and baby paraphernalia 1391 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,560 from the child that they lost for what the Kong Yu and his 1392 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,240 ex-wife lost. What did you guys think of that 1393 01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:36,240 being the, I guess that twist or whatever? 1394 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,480 So like the wife cried over it, which I don't think she was 1395 01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:44,840 mourning the kid. Like, I don't I really do not 1396 01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,120 think she wanted this baby and I don't think she had any 1397 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,360 connection to it. I think the crying when she 1398 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,800 actually did open it was basically her. 1399 01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,040 And I don't know if it's mourning the marriage, but like 1400 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:05,560 sort of accepting the fact that she's never going to have gong 1401 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,560 you. Like she's never going to be 1402 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,560 with Gong you just because like I don't if she was crying over 1403 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,600 the baby, I that would not make sense to me because like her 1404 01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,720 whole character of this drama up to that point gave no inkling 1405 01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,960 that she cared for having this baby at all and didn't want to 1406 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,040 get pregnant and didn't want this child at all. 1407 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,680 So to her all of a sudden try over baby clothes and mourn this 1408 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,800 child. Who put the baby not making 1409 01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,440 sense to me? Who bought the baby clothes? 1410 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,720 I want to say it was gong you like. 1411 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:44,040 I want to say it was either them two together or CI. 1412 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:45,720 Think it was her. Yeah. 1413 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,520 Because it's so. You think it was Gong you? 1414 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,200 Or like them together. I didn't. 1415 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:53,360 Yeah. I didn't really say. 1416 01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:58,200 I didn't think it was her, no. But The thing is, Gong Yu would 1417 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,000 have wanted, I think from my read of his character, he would 1418 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,000 have wanted no reminders of that baby. 1419 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,960 I don't think he would have wanted anything around. 1420 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:12,320 Whereas for her. And even if he had stored, why 1421 01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,000 would he have stored it inside her trunk? 1422 01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,040 It doesn't necessarily make sense. 1423 01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:23,120 So to me, what makes more sense is that she stored those clothes 1424 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:27,040 away and she put them in her own trunk. 1425 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,440 Like she's surprisedly the only one with the combination to open 1426 01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:34,640 that thing up. So she would have put them away, 1427 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:35,640 I think. It's her. 1428 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:42,160 I agree with Liliana. I think that deep down she 1429 01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,840 doesn't necessarily want the baby. 1430 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,840 I'm not saying she wants the baby. 1431 01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,400 I'm thinking she might be mourning the life she should 1432 01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,880 have had even if that baby had come. 1433 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,120 I don't know. That might be a little inkling 1434 01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,480 in her towards that baby. I don't know. 1435 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:07,360 But I think there is some emotion there from her for that. 1436 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:07,840 I. Think so too. 1437 01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,560 Why was she crying after she was having the miscarriage before 1438 01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,560 she jumped in front of the car in the street? 1439 01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:20,120 I think that's there's a contradictory aspect to her that 1440 01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:25,120 is hard to pin down. And I think that it has to do 1441 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:30,280 with her deepest desire, which is maybe she did want the baby 1442 01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,680 secretly. See, I didn't even see her 1443 01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,400 crying during the miscarriage. I didn't see her crying for the 1444 01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:42,160 kid, I saw her crying for the fact that Dong you would blame 1445 01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:46,560 her if she had the miscarriage because he was so happy of 1446 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,440 having this child. I don't think we're wrong. 1447 01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:50,840 I don't think any of us are wrong. 1448 01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,400 Right. I think it's a confluence of 1449 01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:00,160 things and the surprise of seeing the baby clothes in her 1450 01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:04,440 trunk, which is only she has the combination for she bought it. 1451 01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,720 It really is symbolic, right? It's a metaphor for we all have 1452 01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,080 trunks, right? That only we have the 1453 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,000 combinations for. And we lug it around from place 1454 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,720 to place and nobody knows what's inside. 1455 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:25,720 And for her, it was this deep, deep desire, maybe connection to 1456 01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:30,360 wanting the baby or or wanting to be try it out, be a mom, 1457 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,320 something that maybe it's just contradictory to her nature, 1458 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:37,240 right? Yeah, I think two things can be 1459 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:41,720 true at the same time. I think she can feel like she 1460 01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,680 wants the baby and she can also feel like she doesn't want the 1461 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,000 baby. I think those two things can 1462 01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:51,600 coexist at the same time. 1 does not evaluate the other and I 1463 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,200 think can hate. The baby because of how it 1464 01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,200 changed her relationship. Exactly. 1465 01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:01,680 Exactly, Yeah. And even hate herself because 1466 01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:06,400 deep down she may want this baby, so and it may go against 1467 01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:09,000 everything that she is as a character. 1468 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,360 So I think like I said, I just think two things could be true 1469 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:17,200 at the same time. So I think she might not want 1470 01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:21,640 the baby and in her mind thinking I've never wanted a 1471 01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,760 kid, I don't want it. But then deep down. 1472 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,960 The idea of. Wanting it, Yeah. 1473 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:30,800 The idea of the baby and then hating herself for wanting that 1474 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,280 baby. So. 1475 01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,720 So yeah. I think we've come to the same 1476 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:40,440 conclusion, Liliana. And then for Angie, you know, at 1477 01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:42,960 the end of the show, she had, she like, gets rid of the trunk. 1478 01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,560 She sells the trunk. It's empty. 1479 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,800 And that's also a pretty powerful message as well, where 1480 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,160 she's like, I have no secrets, There's nothing to hide. 1481 01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,840 I'm not going to carry around this baggage anymore. 1482 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,760 This emotional. Yeah, she's letting go. 1483 01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,080 So I found that really great. The ending. 1484 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,040 Do you want to run through the ending really fast? 1485 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:08,560 I really liked the scene of her going to his house for the final 1486 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:13,080 time and he's selling the house and he just picks up a mallet 1487 01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,840 and goes to town. And it's like he is literally 1488 01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:21,640 breaking walls, figuratively and, you know, directly breaking 1489 01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,600 walls. And I really liked that imagery 1490 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,200 and the fact that he's breaking the walls that have kept him 1491 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:33,120 shackled to this house and, you know, breaking away from them. 1492 01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:41,320 So I loved that last little scene and normally I hate the 1493 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,840 whole separation in the last episode type of situation. 1494 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,000 Oh, they needed it. Exactly. 1495 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:52,760 This is one of the very, very, very few places where I'm like, 1496 01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,440 this is exactly what they needed because together they started 1497 01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:58,440 the journey. But they need to work on 1498 01:33:58,440 --> 01:34:02,160 themselves by themselves. They need to work on that trauma 1499 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,760 and be happy with themselves as people to then be able to give 1500 01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:11,200 themselves to a relationship. And I, you know, they need to 1501 01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,000 walk away from the fact that they're almost like trauma 1502 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,440 bonded because they kind of like to dumped all of their trauma on 1503 01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:23,880 each other for a little bit. So I really liked the ending. 1504 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:28,520 I liked the fact that they walked away and with no, what's 1505 01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:32,560 the word with no plan. They just said if we meet again, 1506 01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,480 if we meet three times. They left it in a serendipitous 1507 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,320 place, which is I. Think where people. 1508 01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:41,240 But that's K drama. See. 1509 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,800 I think that's Western as well. That's very Western as well, 1510 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:45,840 sorry. It is. 1511 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,360 Have you seen a ROM com in the West? 1512 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,680 And I think, and I think it works really well for them as 1513 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,280 characters. I really like that montage of 1514 01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,560 them just him cooking for himself, them getting pets for 1515 01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,160 each other. Like, you know, but they're. 1516 01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,400 Still like their own person. Because. 1517 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,920 She likes dogs, he likes cats. And they have some 1518 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,840 commonalities. They both dislike tomatoes in 1519 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,080 their cheeseburgers. And, you know, it's very 1520 01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,000 realistic. You know, these are some things 1521 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:19,760 that real grown-ups have to contend with as they grow and 1522 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,720 change. It's like, yeah, I kind of 1523 01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,280 figured they're like, I don't really like dogs. 1524 01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,520 I like cats. Cats are chill. 1525 01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,520 And Kong you. I think he's a cat guy as well 1526 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,480 in real life. So it's that it's sort of tracks 1527 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:36,000 her as well, like her just finding her own way and getting 1528 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,560 out of that bunk. And just getting out of that 1529 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:44,440 house because she had not lived in her own home for a very, very 1530 01:35:44,440 --> 01:35:47,280 long time. She either lived at the house 1531 01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:52,760 that was meant to be her married house or at, you know, fake 1532 01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:57,120 husband's houses. So for her to have her own space 1533 01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:01,240 and live in her own space. I just, I was really happy with 1534 01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,400 like the ending overall. I really liked like them getting 1535 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:09,200 distance and perspective and kind of leaving it up to chance. 1536 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:13,840 If they meet, they meet, you know, and it's an open ending. 1537 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,520 But I think that's reminiscent of life itself. 1538 01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,440 Because. What is life but an open ending? 1539 01:36:20,440 --> 01:36:23,480 So yeah, you know. I liked it. 1540 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,480 I thought it was really cute and romantic. 1541 01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:30,200 Kong You smile at the end. I wanted to read something from 1542 01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,960 a follower who really, really liked the show and they said 1543 01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,880 this. I loved that it felt like Pulp 1544 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,480 Fiction. Everything was connected but not 1545 01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:41,480 in the way I thought. I loved that Kong You was able 1546 01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:45,080 to find love and realize the abuse his ex was doing that he 1547 01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,080 wanted to love again. Female lead is amazing. 1548 01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,840 Loved her and why her and she played understated bitch with 1549 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,800 class and ES. I agree. 1550 01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,920 I loved that the people I thought were horrible were and 1551 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,640 that everyone had their own misery to contend with. 1552 01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,480 I love how Kong Yu's character just came out and said it. 1553 01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,960 I want to sleep with you. You should know that. 1554 01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,240 Then when he said I think I could be someone who can't live 1555 01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,720 without you. He was just so raw and honest 1556 01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:15,080 with it, and I love that so much. 1557 01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,440 I just thought I'd read verbatim what they messaged me. 1558 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,200 I agree completely. I thought it was a raw and 1559 01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:26,040 honest take at very flawed individuals. 1560 01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,920 It was a noir. And for those who don't know 1561 01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,640 what a noir is, it's a style of filmmaking known for its dark 1562 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,560 and cynical, pessimistic themes. And that's what this show is. 1563 01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,560 The K drama in it is that it ends on a bit of a positive 1564 01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,120 note. It ends on like an uptick. 1565 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,240 That's the K drama in it, that's the romance in it. 1566 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:52,200 I thought it was really thought provoking, probing and I don't 1567 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,480 think it's for everybody, unfortunately. 1568 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,800 Do you guys have any last words? One thing I noticed watching 1569 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:04,520 this was the red and blue comparison, which is obviously 1570 01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,520 from the Matrix, like red pill, blue pill. 1571 01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:13,840 And that was A constant theme through this entire up until the 1572 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,160 last scene because Gongu was wearing red pants and she was 1573 01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,200 wearing blue pants. So was he going to take the 1574 01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,040 show? Was she going to take the blue 1575 01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:26,640 pill again and go back into the illusion of them getting 1576 01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,080 married? I forgot to say that this show 1577 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:34,720 had some goblin tie insurance. Like they go to the movie 1578 01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,920 theater and watch a scary movie and Kong U's character is a 1579 01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,160 scaredy cat. That's the same as Goblin. 1580 01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,760 There's a scene just like that in Goblin, just a little more 1581 01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,520 played for comedic effect. And then she, the female lead, 1582 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:54,400 wears a bright red scarf just like the female lead in Goblin. 1583 01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,320 And I don't think that's a coincidence. 1584 01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,040 None of that to me. Is, I don't think, no, I don't 1585 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,560 think that was a coincidence either. 1586 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,640 Yeah. It reminded me when you said the 1587 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,480 blue pill and red pill. Yeah. 1588 01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:12,000 So like if people don't know what that like what that whole 1589 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:16,960 Matrix thing is, basically it's the famous scene where Morpheus 1590 01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:22,720 hands out the red or blue pill and Neo has to make a decision 1591 01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,040 on if he's what he's going to take. 1592 01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:29,400 And like the blue pill is, he's going to continue in the Matrix 1593 01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,240 and live out the life that he had been living. 1594 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:37,360 And then the red pill knocks him into reality and takes him out 1595 01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,240 of the illusion. So that's essentially what it's 1596 01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,560 doing. Like with the colors in this 1597 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:48,040 drama, a common blue, we see the ex-wife, the horrible ex-wife 1598 01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,640 wearing a blue necklace the entire show. 1599 01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:56,400 He's taking blue medication. Gongu's character, most of the 1600 01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:59,920 clothing he's wearing when it comes to being in that house is 1601 01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:02,680 a shade of blue or black or like that. 1602 01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:07,920 That color scheme and then you have her walk in and she's 1603 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,400 wearing red or color shades of red a lot of the time. 1604 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,840 There's a scene where the ex-wife once they've he finds 1605 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,320 out what he did and she tries to go and smooth it over. 1606 01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:23,680 He took out red juice from the fridge and was drinking it while 1607 01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:27,120 she was trying to give him her case and everything like that. 1608 01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:28,360 So like. It's. 1609 01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:33,880 It was interesting and they even like explained the the matrix 1610 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,800 lingo with these two colors in the show like in the drama. 1611 01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:42,640 So once they said that I was like oh OK I should probably 1612 01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,080 watch out for these two colors in the entire drama which is why 1613 01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,560 I noticed so much. But I loved how it worked even 1614 01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:54,520 to the last episode or last seen in the last episode because I 1615 01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,680 like, you should have seen me. I like watch the last scene. 1616 01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,160 I'm like, oh, Oh my God, Oh my God. 1617 01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,320 Because it was like, is he going to walk away from this 1618 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,880 relationship and continue down the red pill path that he had 1619 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:10,480 been living for however many months it have been since they 1620 01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:13,960 last saw each other? Or is he going to start over 1621 01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,440 with this new relationship and enter this blue illusion with 1622 01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:22,360 her again? So I love that messaging so 1623 01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:23,680 much. Me too. 1624 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,680 Yeah. All right, guys, we've done it. 1625 01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:32,400 We have traversed the entirety of the trunk and if you guys 1626 01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,720 have anything you guys would like to say to us about the 1627 01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:39,160 trunk, we are more than happy to discuss it with you on the 1628 01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,760 socials. You guys want to say where they 1629 01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,880 can find you? So for me it's T and Soju pod, 1630 01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:50,960 all one word on Instagram, TikTok and all of those places. 1631 01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:55,000 I'm no sleep. The number 4 dramas on 1632 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,200 Instagram, TikTok blog, YouTube, whatever. 1633 01:41:58,720 --> 01:41:59,680 Yep. Hit us up. 1634 01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,600 You know where to find us. That's it, That's our show. 1635 01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,880 I'm Jessica and this has been the Tibock Here Rambles podcast. 1636 01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:32,320 Bye. The.