1 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,840 I'm Jessica and this is Tabaki Rambles, where a couple of 2 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,520 friends review Korean dramas. And we're back. 3 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,960 We're back for another episode on a key drama. 4 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,360 For this episode, I am joined by Sarah. 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,840 Hi Sarah. How are you? 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,440 I'm good, Jess. So lovely to be back. 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,640 I love having you here. Sarah from K Drama this slash 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,040 the Co host of Afternoon to Ask podcast. 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,880 I love having you on. It is such a great time when 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,360 you're here. I think the last time you were 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,880 here was a bit more serious. We were here for DP we. 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,120 Were. Yeah, and then unfortunately, I 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,640 don't, I don't think this is any less serious. 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,160 We're gonna be talking. About the Smile has Left Your 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:09,760 Eyes, which is firmly A melodrama with a swing gook and 16 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,480 Chong Soo min, so we are gonna really have a time here. 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,800 I have to be honest right out the gate. 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,520 I was unable to rewatch this drama before this recording 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,920 because they've removed The Smile Has Left Your Eyes from 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,320 Vicky from the Vicki library and I couldn't find it anywhere. 21 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:31,440 And I was like, Oh my God, that sucks. 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,240 I always pride myself on rewatching the drama before 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,760 recording, so I also was extremely busy, like my car 24 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,720 broke down. I fell like it's been a crazy 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,160 couple of weeks here and I did not have a chance to read the 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,280 recaps of all of the episodes too on Drama Beans, which is 27 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,160 what I love to do as well if I cannot get a hold of the 28 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,920 episodes. And so I haven't been able to do 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,560 that. What I did do was reread my 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,720 original blog review from 2019, and I gotta say, I don't know 31 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,720 what the hell I'm talking about. I'm talking specifics in my 32 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,040 review in my blog review. I don't know what's going on. 33 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,640 So we are in for a treat today. I am flying blind. 34 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,600 I'm going to be leaning on Sarah heavily because Sarah is which. 35 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,280 Is, which is unfortunate, you know, because I also have the 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,640 memory of a goldfish. I'm just so I'm just so old now. 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Like I had two kids. They took my brains. 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,280 I haven't recovered. It's nearly 10:00 at night here 39 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,920 in the UK. So and we will be good. 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,120 We'll be good. We're going to just have fun 41 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,880 through this. We might talk a little more 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,640 broadly about the show than usual, but it's all in good fun. 43 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,560 We're going to review. We're going to talk through it 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,960 as much as we can with as much specificity as we can muster, 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,040 but without further ado, I'm just gonna go through some 46 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,840 housekeeping if this is your first time listening. 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,040 Thank you. What a great episode to jump in 48 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 on. Go ahead and subscribe on your 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,080 favorite podcast app. We're on Apple Podcast, Spotify, 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,520 Google Podcast and many more. If you like us, please give us a 51 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,560 five star review on Apple Podcast and Spotify and come 52 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,240 check us out on social media to stay up to date on our latest 53 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,320 episodes and reviews. 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When I was putting it in here, I 65 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,720 was like, hold on, this is pretty good. 66 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,360 I need this. You never know, right? 67 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,640 It's kind of inconsistent. It's considerate, so here's the 68 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,400 My Drama List synopsis for The Smile has left Your Eyes. 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,560 It reads ATV series centered around the unfolding 70 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,760 relationship between free and unpredictable yet dangerous Kim 71 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,880 Moos Kim Moo Yong, who is called Monster. 72 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,320 He is the first assistant in a Korean beer brewery who becomes 73 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,680 a suspect when a woman's suicide turns out to be murder. 74 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,760 His life begins to change when he meets a kind, warm 75 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,880 advertising designer named Yujing Kang who wishes to be Moo 76 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,680 Yong's safe haven. She bears as many emotional 77 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,040 scars as him. Yujin Kang also has a brother, a 78 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,840 homicide detective named Yujin Kuk with 27 years of job 79 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,120 experience. I don't know why they gave his 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,000 job experience though. He could just say like he was on 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,800 the 4th for a long time, 27 years of job experience. 82 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,600 He strives to reveal who Moo Yung really is and attempts to 83 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,120 keep his sister Jin Kong away from Moo Yung, with whom she 84 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,640 begins to know and fall in love with. 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,640 I just added the Fall in love with because I think that's 86 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,000 important. This show aired from October 87 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,320 2018 to November of 2018. It is 16 episodes long. 88 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,320 It's actually a remake of a Japanese drama from 2002 called 89 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,720 Sora Karafuru Ichiyoku Nohuhoshi. 90 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,080 I hope I didn't butcher that too much Or 1,000,000 Stars Falling 91 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,680 From the Sky, which is the alternative title for this show, 92 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,280 A Million Stars Following Falling from the Sky. 93 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:45,920 It is directed by UJ One. This guy is actually, I guess 94 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,480 one of my favorite directors because he's directed High 95 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,240 School, King of Savvy, Oh my Ghost, Tomorrow With You, Abyss, 96 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,360 Hi by Mama Hometown, Cha Cha Cha, Crash Course and Romance. 97 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,440 And he is also the director of the upcoming Mom's Friend's Son, 98 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,960 which is will be a 2024 release. It is one of my most anticipated 99 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,960 cage dramas of the year. It will start Jung So Min and 100 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,880 Jung Hen in his first ROM com. Yay. 101 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,080 Which we manifested. Jess, let's take some credit for 102 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,120 this girl. Let's take this some credit for 103 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,240 this we. Talked at length about how 104 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:25,840 Jungian has not done sort of like a romantic or I should say 105 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:31,480 ROM com light hearted show, and how when you went to his fan 106 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,160 meeting that was something that he specifically said he wanted 107 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,920 to do. And lo and behold, we're getting 108 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,600 this drama this year. So we we manifested it. 109 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:42,840 We did. We started with a link. 110 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,920 With a link actually, because obviously then you know this 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,600 female Lady Chung, Soo Min, and that's just going to be great. 112 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,160 Like, I'm so excited about them two together. 113 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,200 I know. And she does such good. 114 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,080 I mean I think they're both such great comic actors but also do 115 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,360 the Emotion so and I loved hometown Cha Cha Cha. 116 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,320 So I'm really hoping like this is a director that knows ROM 117 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,280 coms and doesn't screw them up in the second like, half either, 118 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:10,880 right? But he does like really packing 119 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,360 the emotion because he, the second-half of hometown Cha Cha 120 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,120 Cha was was good for. That I think he knows about tone 121 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,960 really well. Yeah, and even though I hated 122 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Abyss and Oh my Ghost is not my favorite drama at all, I really 123 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,360 respect some like some of these other shit. 124 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,840 Like Tomorrow With You I think is so underrated. 125 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Hi by Mom. I've heard nothing but good 126 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,480 things about that show. Hometown Cha cha cha Who hasn't 127 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,760 freaking heard of that show and love that show. 128 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,760 Crash Course a really nice solid show from 2023. 129 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,640 So I really like this director, like All Things Considered. 130 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,160 So good on him. Yeah. 131 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,360 Writer is Song Hey Jin. I'm not sure if this is a female 132 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,720 writer. My guess is yes, but this writer 133 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,440 really doesn't have that much to their name, about four or five 134 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,920 TV credits. And I really haven't heard about 135 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,080 any of these shows before. Sent from Heaven from 2012. 136 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,840 My Sweet Soul from 2008. And then they also have a 137 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,720 Netflix show coming out from this year to Women I. 138 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,440 So we got to keep an eye out for that. 139 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,040 I don't know what that's about, who stars in there or anything, 140 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,440 but when it says Netflix, I kind of feel like there's budget 141 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,200 behind it. So might have some big names in 142 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,760 that. They've also written movies 143 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,559 including Love Lies from 2016 Love Lies. 144 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,720 I reviewed it for the Patreon feed. 145 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:43,320 It stars Han Yoju and it is heartbreaking and frustrating. 146 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,840 It's a period piece with the Japanese occupation kind of 147 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,600 happening, kind of tearing friends apart. 148 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,880 It was it. Hani Oju plays a villain, 149 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,080 essentially, and you're just like, Oh my God, like you have 150 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,200 no idea. Like the lengths that some of 151 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,600 these characters will go through go to. 152 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:09,000 And it's very surprising. It's not a nice comfort movie at 153 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,440 all. It seems to track, especially 154 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,520 when you pair it with the smile has left your eyes. 155 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,520 You're kind of like, oh, of course it was. 156 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,360 It was written by the same person. 157 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:22,480 Absolutely. She. 158 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Likes axed. Yeah, yeah. 159 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,680 So we had this cast, which I'm only going to list the top three 160 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:30,280 people. So we have Soy and Gook, who 161 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,600 plays Kim Moo Sung. The monster quote, UN quote 162 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,280 monster. He's been in so many things. 163 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,680 He's really worked his way up through the ranks and he's been 164 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:50,720 in stuff like love Rain from 2012, reply 19897, sorry 1997 165 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,840 from 2012. That is when I bought all my 166 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,760 stock in Sewing Gook. That's when I fell in love with 167 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,840 him. Like madly in love with Sewing 168 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,040 Gook. Like that's the the show Master 169 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,000 Sun, which I think you just watched. 170 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,720 Recently I just finished that. Yeah, yeah. 171 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,840 Yeah. Oh my God. 172 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,680 High school king of savvy. So he's worked with the director 173 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:13,920 before the King's face, Shopaholic Louie, which I don't 174 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:19,600 remember laughing as hard at a drama as I have with Shopaholic 175 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,040 Louie. He was so good in that he is 176 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,200 such a comedian. Oh. 177 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,640 My God, it's hysterical. You know, like my our sister Pod 178 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:30,520 Afternoon Delight has just done an episode on K Drama Himbos and 179 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,360 how much they love them, and he is the archetypal K Drama Himbo. 180 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,800 He's so good. It's so good. 181 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,280 But then he also flips and plays like super smart savant kind of 182 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,200 characters, right? Which is what he plays here as 183 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,640 well. And he just has such range. 184 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,880 Such range. So he's been in doom at your 185 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,440 service, which a lot of people like to. 186 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,120 I think that's a very polarizing show. 187 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,280 And Cafe Minam Dong and Death's Game most recently, which is one 188 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,160 of my favorite shows that I've seen in 2024, Period. 189 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:13,760 It is #1 so far as far as 2024 goes, but he's excellent in 190 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,440 that. How do you feel about towing 191 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,760 good? Are you going to the band 192 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,160 meeting? Did I do I have that right? 193 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,640 Oh my God. I feel like you're like helping 194 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,960 me manifest like my, my, I just need to come on my podcast and 195 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,560 just tell you like everything I want to happen in my life. 196 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,760 Because I think yes, that was it, right. 197 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,800 So our first podcast ever was we we talked about do you like 198 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,520 Brahms and for some reason we started talking about fan meets. 199 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,040 I don't know why. But anyway I said I I really 200 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,480 wanted to know what happened in fan meets And then circumstances 201 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,080 happened and I I managed to get ticket. 202 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,960 I was in Hong Kong when John he in was in Hong Kong doing his 203 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,880 fan meet. So I got to do his fan meet. 204 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,120 I did a whole podcast on it. So if you do want to know what 205 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,080 happens in fan meets, check it out on afternoon. 206 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,480 It asks. And then you asked me onto this 207 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,840 PERD a while back Now and then I saw that sewing Book was doing 208 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:08,080 fan meets in just DC and in LA and I was like, oh, I really 209 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,120 wish I could go. And then, you know, you have 210 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,840 just one of those moments when you're just like, do you know 211 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,280 what? Like maybe I could make it 212 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,880 happen. So I looked up like the Air mile 213 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,480 offer because I knew I couldn't afford it money wise or I 214 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,200 couldn't justify it. Obviously I can't afford it if 215 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,480 I, you know, stopped eating and stuff. 216 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,760 But anyway, I I kind of could. I justify going all the way to 217 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,080 DC to to see him on Air Miles and then that stars aligned. 218 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,120 It was really cheap. And yeah, so I'm going next. 219 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,840 Oh, so exciting. I'm so excited. 220 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,320 I'm sewing. Sewing Gook is one of my he's in 221 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,360 my top five. I don't really rank them, but 222 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,600 like he is in my top five of K drummer like. 223 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,080 I love it. Yeah, and he sings as well, 224 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,080 because I really think of fun meat where like the actor sings 225 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,560 as well. Is always really enjoyable too 226 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,600 because they can mix it up and. My ovaries can't take that. 227 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,320 OK, Like, honestly, them singing and they're actually good. 228 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,240 I don't stand a chance. So sewing gook in this show, 229 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,320 What did you think about him? I think it's one of his best 230 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,920 roles. Like, I think it is absolutely. 231 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,360 You say what you think about the drama. 232 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,880 I think there are mixed feelings. 233 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,400 I think generally about this. Drama. 234 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Oh. Absolutely. 235 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,440 But no one, no one would ever kind of contradict you if you 236 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,880 said that this is shows you what an amazing actor he is. 237 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,920 He is so and he's so charismatic. 238 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,360 He's really mesmerizing. He's completely red flag. 239 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,840 Oh, oh, so, so, so. Sad question, though. 240 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,200 Yeah, he's so. He's so captivating. 241 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,880 He's so captivating. Exactly. 242 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,800 And he's the reason why you just keep wanting to watch it because 243 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,960 you feel like this is a all the way through the drama. 244 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,360 I mean it's I'm not going to miss Spoiler to say it feels 245 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,280 like it's a train wreck that is about to happen but you can't 246 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,640 stop watching what is going to happen. 247 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,720 And he does amazing things with his eyes. 248 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,440 Like that's my main thing with this drama that might take away. 249 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,200 I remember thinking like he can make his eyes do so many 250 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,000 different things like he has it's kind of like dead eye look, 251 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,960 do you know what I mean? Like he looks like he is dead 252 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,320 inside and you can't read him. And he's unreadable for a large 253 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,680 swath of the show. And that's part of his thing, 254 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,960 like the part of the character. Exactly. 255 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,520 But also just he injects it so well and so he becomes this 256 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,240 thing that you can't read. And then at other times he is 257 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:47,440 just so raw and so vulnerable and he just he decides which of 258 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,840 these things you're going to see. 259 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,760 And I just think that's such a talent. 260 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,440 It is because he feels like he's in complete control. 261 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,400 Yeah. And that is, I don't want to 262 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,680 shit on other actors or other names in the biz. 263 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,720 I'm not going to name names. We all we all know who you mean. 264 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Jessica. No, it's your AMA episode. 265 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,800 I won't. But when he he's he's a like, 266 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,600 what can he dance as well? That would make him a triple 267 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,200 threat. I think so. 268 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,240 I mean look, if you look at those early because he obviously 269 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,280 he won the singing show. This is so in goods background 270 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,600 like he won a singing show. He wasn't actually an actor to 271 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,040 start with, right? And then obviously got casted. 272 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,720 So in the beginning shows, he did more singing shows, didn't 273 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,400 he? And he also always does a track 274 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,280 on a pretty much every OST of his dramas. 275 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,200 So and he still releases single. So I still like I still follow 276 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,840 him on my Apple Music. So I kind of add his music in. 277 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,320 But yeah, in the early, early days, like his reply 1997 days, 278 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,240 he does do a bit of dancing as well. 279 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,280 And he doesn't now, I don't think, but he did back then and 280 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,920 yeah. I think that he's a powerhouse, 281 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,320 yes. And it's hard to find talent 282 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,600 such as his where he can just sort of command the room and 283 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,720 he's got such a presence about him in the show that keeps it 284 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,880 even if you're sort of on the fence about the plot or you're 285 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,600 just kind of confused about where things are going. 286 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,160 And that's part of the think of it as well, like part of the 287 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,520 sensation of watching the show is that you're kind of like, 288 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,320 what is going on? I don't know if he's good. 289 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,280 I don't know if he's bad. I don't know if he's a murderer. 290 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Like, who is he? But that's the whole thing, is 291 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:44,040 that he is a slippery character, slippery persona, and you can't 292 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,520 quite guess what he's thinking. And then there are glimpses of 293 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:54,200 vulnerability that are so attractive that make you think, 294 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Oh my God, you just want to wrap him up in a hug. 295 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,280 And you're like, I totally get why Chung Suman is fighting for 296 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:01,880 this man. Yeah. 297 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,680 Totally or. Actually, initially. 298 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,960 Yeah. Or initially the Sangha is drawn 299 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:13,079 to him because he's just. I mean, he is, he is everything 300 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:16,040 that you would want your daughter not to date, right? 301 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:16,640 Oh. Absolutely. 302 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,400 If you see this man and you're a parent, you'd be like, 303 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,280 absolutely not, no, no, no. No, no, no. 304 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,040 But you know, all of us have fallen for a guy like this. 305 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,560 We've all fallen for a guy like this. 306 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,920 It's a. Prototypical bad boy without, 307 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,240 like, all of the that. Boy with emotional wounds, yes, 308 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,080 but but like he you're you're going to love him and heal those 309 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,480 wounds. And yeah, you're like I can. 310 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,200 Fix him like you can fix it? Yeah, exactly. 311 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,720 You're going to be his salvation. 312 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,080 That's the character. Yes. 313 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,760 Yes, absolutely. It's like drama crack, honestly. 314 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,880 It's so is. It's. 315 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,800 So is, Yeah. And then the whole then watching 316 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,080 the drama becomes quite a visceral experience, because all 317 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,520 the time you're like, should I even root for this guy, right? 318 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Does some really, actually bad shit like some actual bad shit? 319 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,440 It's. Super questionable. 320 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,520 And you're like, that's absolutely criminal. 321 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,800 Yeah, I can't support that. But but if he. 322 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,680 But he didn't do this, we got to count our blessings here. 323 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,440 On the levels here, he's kind of lower down on the totem than I 324 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,080 thought. Like you're kind of making 325 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,600 excuses. Yeah, justifying the whole time, 326 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,120 right? You're like, oh, but he has a 327 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,160 really, really traumatic past. Right this is. 328 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,800 Why he's doing this. But he is, you know, like 329 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,440 there's always this list of like K drama, Red Flag male leads. 330 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 And honestly, most of them seem quite tame because. 331 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,080 It's totally, totally, I agree. I agree. 332 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,320 Because they don't have like he puts his money where his mouth 333 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,200 is. Yeah. 334 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,240 OK, he's actually doing some crazy. 335 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,960 Shit, yeah, yeah. And he's really treating people 336 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,640 badly. So this is this is the rich girl 337 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,520 right at the start. Like, I'm not going to spoil, 338 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,760 not spoil his section, but what what he ends up doing to her is 339 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,560 just. It's so cold. 340 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,920 It's so. Cold. 341 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,160 It's so cold. And that's the thing. 342 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,640 It's not even like he's like a cat with a toy, yes. 343 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:25,240 And I Oh my God, I said that in my review in my OK, we'll leave 344 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,320 that for. She just doesn't. 345 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:26,840 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 346 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,640 We'll leave that for wait, but absolutely. 347 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,640 You're totally on the money there. 348 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,280 I I agree with you. So his Co star is Chung Selman, 349 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,280 who plays Jing Kong. She's been in mischievous kiss 350 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,080 from 2010, which is where I remember her from. 351 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Talk about toxic male leads back then. 352 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,600 That was one of those where I was like, I cannot rewatch this. 353 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,840 Can we get married? My father is strange because 354 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,760 this is my first life, which pay attention to the podcast feed 355 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,400 because we'll be covering it this. 356 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,560 Season that was. That was my first Chung Summin 357 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,480 drama. Oh, oh, that's a good one. 358 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:13,640 Yeah, so Chung Summin also was in Alchemy of Souls Season one. 359 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,560 So we won't go into Alchemy of Souls. 360 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,520 We won't. We've left it all on the dance 361 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,240 floor. That's just scroll back in your 362 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,840 podcast feed. There's a couple of episodes 363 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,480 there for you, so. What do you write episodes, by 364 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,880 the way? I haven't listened. 365 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,760 I can hardly recommend them. It's. 366 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,080 Point by point. So Chung So Min, what did you 367 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,600 think of her in this show? And you know her as an actress 368 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,400 as a whole. I mean, I love Chung So Min so 369 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,880 I'm not. I'm not I'm not going to sit 370 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,560 here be unbiased because I just really love her. 371 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,640 Yeah. I'm totally biased and I just, 372 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760 but she's so good in this. I mean she brings it all like I 373 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,000 think she's such she's similar to sewing, cooking that way. 374 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,200 She can do comedy. She can do really, really good 375 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,760 emotion and she brings you in. I think she's such a warm. 376 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,800 So whatever character she's playing, even, you know, even 377 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,480 when she's, I mean, she's not in this drama. 378 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,760 She is quite warm in this drama. But even when she's like a 379 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,480 colder kind of assassin kind of character, like an alchemy of 380 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,240 souls, she still brings you in and makes you feel. 381 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,240 And there's something always just very warming about her. 382 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,240 I feel as an actress, yeah, I love her. 383 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:28,200 Yeah, I just think of her as this sort of baby faced person 384 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:33,840 with a very quiet innocence about her that has never left. 385 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,360 And it might be because I watched her in mischievous kiss 386 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,640 many years ago when I was first watching K dramas and that show 387 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,760 she is very infantile and she was paired with like a Sundar 388 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,000 Elite. So it's like she was banging her 389 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,360 head against the wall and she was very ridiculous and so I 390 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,720 almost feel like I can't push that out of my mind. 391 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,360 She does have a very like cute face like she's not, doesn't 392 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,560 have severe features like sewing Guk does. 393 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:10,800 So I feel like it's proper casting to have him be this 394 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,400 sociopath and then she is much warmer as you said. 395 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,600 Yeah, they had great chemistry together. 396 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,920 Really good chemistry. Like, really good. 397 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,640 Chemistry, Yeah. So they have really good enemies 398 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,400 chemistry at the start, like they're really sparky, you know? 399 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,360 But then obviously as the drama aggressors, you know, they just 400 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,920 have more, even more like different kinds of chemistry. 401 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,040 So really well cast together I. Think because they seem to be 402 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,560 connecting on a soul level. Yes, really. 403 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Believably. Throughout the show and you're 404 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,160 like, how can we let that go? He's such a red flag, but like, 405 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,400 look what they have. Yeah, yeah. 406 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,360 It's hard. It's difficult. 407 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:58,640 So that's Chung Suman. And then her brother is Pak Sung 408 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,400 Hoon. Who plays Jane Cook, the cop 409 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,880 slash brother. OK, this guy has been in 410 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,480 everything. He's been in like 51 movies, 411 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,240 including the great battle from 2018. 412 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,160 I just watched this movie several weeks ago for the first 413 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,120 time with it's got toinsung in it. 414 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,880 It's got Namji Hook in it. Let me just say right now, Namji 415 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,680 Hook not a period piece person, OK? 416 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,680 Like you put him in battle armor from like medieval Korea and 417 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,760 you're like maybe not. Perhaps not like that man knows 418 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,040 what an iPhone is. OK. 419 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,680 I'm sorry to say so. And you're you're saying that as 420 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,480 a fan of his, right? Like oh I love yok I. 421 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,960 Love Namju Yok. I love him. 422 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,320 That man should not be in period pieces. 423 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,880 Oh, that's hilarious. So that's the great battle he 424 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,200 was in. Love lies with Han Yoju you just 425 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,560 mentioned. Yeah, POC. 426 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:56,720 Sunun Wong played, I believe a Japanese like Commander or 427 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,080 something like that. Just vile, right? 428 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,160 Vile dude. And then he was also in 429 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,680 commitment, which I always like to mention from 2013. 430 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:13,280 That's TOP from Big Bang, right? Playing a North Korean spy. 431 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Right. Who's in South Korea on a 432 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,280 mission and he gets implanted into like this fake family and 433 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,960 Paxongoon plays his fake father in South Korea, like while 434 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,640 they're on this mission and I'm like, whoa wow, what a 435 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,040 throwback. So those are just a few of the 436 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,120 movies that he's been in. And then he's been in 27 TV 437 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:41,720 shows including, and I hate to even say it, Snowdrop from 438 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,800 2021-2022. There is a very painful episode 439 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,200 of ours up for Snowdrop if you want to listen to it. 440 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,160 I had someone DM me the other day and say I got up to episode 441 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,800 5 of Snowdrop and I just couldn't finish. 442 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,360 I went and listened to your episode and decided to just skip 443 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,800 and watch the finale. So thank you so much for 444 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,240 reviewing that show and I didn't have to endure it and you did 445 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,120 the hard work for me and I decided made the decision after 446 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,280 listening to you guys to just skip to the. 447 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,680 End I have I have to, despite being a big Jungian fan, have 448 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,240 not started Snowdrop just because there's just so much 449 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,920 noise about it. That just makes me think it is 450 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,680 easy. I don't. 451 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,320 I don't want to hate watch something, but. 452 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,320 He is brilliant. You haven't. 453 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Well, this is the worst thing. I think it's even worse. 454 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,560 You know when I'm one of your faves is this is happening to me 455 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,280 right now in like, the impossible air. 456 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960 Oh God, really like someone. And you're just like, I really 457 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,640 want to watch this drama because of you don't. 458 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,080 Do it. You don't do anything. 459 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,240 No, I know, I know. But anyway, So anyway, I drop. 460 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,560 So sorry. Joke. 461 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,120 So you ended up dropping impossible error. 462 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,480 I've dropped, I've dropped, yeah, yeah, I couldn't. 463 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,160 Couldn't happen. Yeah that's that's a 464 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:03,400 conversation for a different day. 465 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,360 So maybe maybe later. But anyway, so this guy has also 466 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,880 been in good or bad Dong Jay. He'll that will come out later 467 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,880 this year. I don't know what that's about 468 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,880 at all but it's a 2024 release so we'll see about it. 469 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,720 The Killing vote Bloodhounds Unlock my boss, Life on Mars, 470 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,480 Man to man, just so many. Also Cain and Abel from 2009, 471 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,280 which I remember mentioning on that episode with you on 472 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,760 Afternoon, asks. Yes, it's one of your underrated 473 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,000 dramas. I love Cain and Abel. 474 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,200 I just love it. It is so angsty. 475 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,080 And it's with Toji Sub, which is one of my first crushes in K 476 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Drama Land. Like that, man. 477 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,520 Anyway, that's a whole another thing. 478 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,680 But. Yeah, I've just. 479 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,040 I've actually just seen him in unluck. 480 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,520 My boss. OK. 481 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,200 All right. Which is a drama I cannot 482 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,760 recommend so despite despite Che Jong Kop TE Jong Kop. 483 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,960 Is a delight, isn't he? He. 484 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,960 Is so cute and actually they share. 485 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:08,800 So the actress that say Sung Ah is also in in from Smilers Left 486 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,240 Your Eyes is also in Unlock My Boss. 487 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,720 So she's actually yeah. So it was fun to see both Parson 488 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,160 Wong and So and so in Unlock My Boss when I just finished like 489 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,120 Smilers Left Your Eyes. But yeah, yeah, sadly, sadly 490 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,600 disappointing. OK, well what did you think of 491 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,240 this guy and his character? Because I think a lot of my 492 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,760 frustrations in rereading my original blog review came from 493 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:43,440 his character a lot. So the actor himself playing 494 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,240 this role loved him, I thought. He was. 495 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,320 A great, yeah. He was a great older brother. 496 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,440 I think he had this really great. 497 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,480 In fact, I needed more of him and tack like his fellow police 498 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,160 officer friend that had this thing, unspoken thing that they 499 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,640 never kind of like did more with, which is a shame I think, 500 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,960 because they had really great chemistry. 501 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:11,640 So all of my issues with him hard to do with the character 502 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,800 and the logic fails, yes, with his art, which I guess will go 503 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,200 into the spoilers. So I as an actor, I think he did 504 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,160 really great, I think. He right, I don't. 505 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,800 I it wasn't the acting at all. No, it was the decisions that 506 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520 they had him doing. Yeah. 507 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,120 Which like didn't make sense. No, no. 508 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,400 And that bothers me. Yeah, even now I'm kind of like 509 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,480 feeling the frustration without knowing why. 510 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,080 I'm frustrated because I can't remember the details. 511 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920 They might come back to you. They might come back maybe. 512 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,240 Interesting to see if yours look the same as mine, because I 513 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,520 haven't read your blog, so we'll. 514 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,000 OK, Oh, perfect. OK, so with that being said that 515 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,520 that's the end of there's more cast members like Komen Chi as 516 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,320 well is in it. Sun Tzu plays Sanga, that 517 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600 character that we keep mentioning, the rich girl who 518 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,880 gets done dirty. You know this cast is a little 519 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080 more extensive, but those are the three main players. 520 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,760 What did you think of this show? How was your experience watching 521 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,280 it? And without giving any spoilers 522 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,080 away, like, how did the ending sit with you? 523 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360 I hated the ending. I'm going to be completely 524 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,960 frank. I love the show. 525 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:30,840 I still, I still would watch this drama again purely for the 526 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,040 performances, especially from SO and Gug and Chun So Min. 527 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,520 I still feel like it was a rewarding watch for me. 528 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,040 I found it frustrating because it could have been amazing. 529 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,400 Like it could have been like it had so many of the ingredients 530 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,840 to be an amazing show. And the things that didn't make 531 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,080 it amazing were completely fixable. 532 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,760 You know, They were like, they were not, They were not 533 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360 circumstances or things that you couldn't change or whatever, you 534 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040 know, or like drama, you know, like a director that created 535 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,800 really saggy drama. It was none, none of those 536 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200 things. I think it was mainly for me in 537 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,440 the in the plotting and the ending that they chose. 538 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,920 How do I put this? Well, I'll just say it's not a 539 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,160 happy ending. Yes. 540 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,800 And we'll leave it at that. We won't say what the what the 541 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,560 hell happens at all at the end, but you enjoyed the process of 542 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360 watching them the show. And I remember when you were 543 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,200 because you post updates on Instagram, like when you get 544 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640 through a few episodes, you'll say like, you know, update and 545 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,520 you'll say what your thoughts are. 546 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,440 And you were kind of enthralled with the show. 547 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,880 I was, I was, yeah. I really felt like it knew what 548 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,000 it was doing and I felt like, and I think this is it, yeah, 549 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,960 you're kind of bringing it back now. 550 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:55,240 I felt like I felt let down because the ending, which we're 551 00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,520 not going to talk about, just didn't unfold narratively for me 552 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,240 in a logical way. So I'm not. 553 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240 There are some people that can only handle dramas that have 554 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,960 happy endings and no shade on them completely understand, you 555 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,640 know, why some people feel that way. 556 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,160 I'm not one of these people. I can. 557 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,720 I'm totally happy with a happy ending. 558 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,720 But it has to make sense and it has to be built up throughout 559 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,400 the drama so that when I get to that not happy ending, I'm I'm 560 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,800 maybe like sad, but I'm like OK, I get it. 561 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Like I get it. I don't want to spoil other 562 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320 dramas, but there are plenty of dramas in K Drama Land that 563 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,080 didn't have happy endings for me but still worked because I kind 564 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,720 of got why we got to where we were. 565 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,120 And that's not how this drama left me feeling. 566 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,880 And I'm annoyed because I think in the first part of the show I 567 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040 really felt like this writing and the directing was really 568 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,000 self assured and I felt like this drama knew what it was 569 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,480 doing and so I trusted it. And so then in the end when it 570 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,560 happened, I was just like, OK, that is, that's not that. 571 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,720 That was that was not where you were leading me. 572 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920 And now I feel really cheated because I trusted you. 573 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,600 I thought that you knew what you were doing. 574 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,280 Right. Yeah, and and I'm annoyed doubly 575 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,600 because I was really invested at that point. 576 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,720 And so at the end, what the emotions I want to feel are 577 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,480 about the character and the drama. 578 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,600 I don't want to feel frustrated and annoyed at the drama. 579 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,960 Yeah, because it kind of really took away a lot of those and 580 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,280 it's like super powerful performances in the end. 581 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,040 You know what? Those. 582 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,280 I remember. Episodes are just, you know, and 583 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,680 that's what I want to be left with the feeling that those 584 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,720 actors kind of, well, like those powerful, powerful scenes, 585 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,720 that's what I want to be left with. 586 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360 Not with this, like, oh, you want to Chuck something in the 587 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,280 TV? I will read you what I said in 588 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,360 my review, which I evidently wrote 5 minutes after I finished 589 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,240 watching the show. I said honestly, like what the 590 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,280 fuck just happened? I'm 5 minutes removed from 591 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,200 catching that swift Shakespearean ending and I'm 592 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:13,280 just stunned, emotional, angry. And then I said a lot of stuff 593 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,400 in a paragraph which I'm not going to read and then I said in 594 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880 all caps. However, I did not see that 595 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,080 ending coming. Not by a mile. 596 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:28,760 So I remember getting to that ending and not feeling that it 597 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,120 was that it was going to going to happen at all, like it was 598 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,880 came out of nowhere. But what I said at the end of 599 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:48,360 the review was that it. I said I've maybe had an hour to 600 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,200 process this because I guess it took an hour to write this and 601 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,360 I've concluded that this drama was simply a tragedy and as such 602 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,560 I can only accept what happened as it was always never going to 603 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,400 have a happy ending. So I kind of took it as from day 604 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:13,040 one this this was never going to be a ride off into the sunset 605 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,639 story. So and it this sucks because I 606 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,679 couldn't re watch the show and I didn't have time to read the 607 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,120 recaps to to jump in this with my full chest. 608 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,719 But basically, we don't see eye to eye on this ending like me 609 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,719 five years ago and and you now don't don't see eye to eye on 610 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,560 this ending because I kind of feel like even if I didn't see 611 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:45,800 it coming, even if it was extremely crazy and sad and made 612 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,080 me angry, it's the same anger that you feel at the end of a 613 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:57,800 sort of Shakespearean tragedy where you're like, but why? 614 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,080 Yeah, but like. Yeah, but for me, not like So I 615 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,200 didn't expect a happy ending. I kind of felt like we couldn't 616 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,560 get one quite early on in the show, actually. 617 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,080 So you were. Not. 618 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,800 Expecting. So I wasn't expecting a happy 619 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:20,160 ending, and I was expecting a reveal that would mean that the 620 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,400 happy ending couldn't happen. And so then I. 621 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,080 Was resolved. Sort of Resolved a little more 622 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,040 of a fizzle. Yeah, not a fizzle. 623 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560 But just like there is a reason why they can't be together. 624 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,040 Like I and I get it. And then that reason, which had 625 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,000 been foreshadowed, wasn't which we can discuss more properly at 626 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000 this point. No, absolutely. 627 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,040 We're dancing. Around. 628 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:43,840 Yeah, we are. Yeah. 629 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,040 So, so yeah. We're not going to stick in the 630 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,160 non spoiler section that much longer, but but I see what 631 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,920 you're saying that like you didn't expect it to be a happy 632 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,680 ending, but you didn't expect it to be. 633 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,840 That end. Fireworks on the 4th of July 634 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,760 type deal. Yeah, yeah. 635 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:05,440 OK, fair enough. OK, So what I want to do right 636 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,800 now is just have you rate the show out of Five Soldier bottles 637 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,000 and we'll just get into this, the spoiler section. 638 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,480 Yeah. OK. 639 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,920 So it's yeah, it's interesting because I I went back to look at 640 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,520 because I rate my dramas after I finished them and I actually, I 641 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,240 think because of that ending rated it lower then I actually I 642 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,760 think it deserves. So I went back and I re rated 643 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,640 it. Oh OK. 644 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,040 So I do a rating up to 10 and I do point fives as well. 645 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,840 So I'm quite like there's a lot of nuance in the rating anyway. 646 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,960 So when I finished it was a six and it's been re rated. 647 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,800 It's been re rated as an 8. Because actually having had. 648 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,960 Yeah, yeah, actually as having had it sit with me, I'm kind of 649 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,000 like actually do you know what the performances, the actors, 650 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,200 some of the things that it made me feel were like I was really 651 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,760 taken with it. You know. 652 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,400 So that's what's that's the bulk of the the and and like I just 653 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,960 said like I think if they had tweaked certain things for me, I 654 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,920 could have loved this show. It could have been a 10 for me. 655 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,560 It had the ingredients to be a 10 because of, as I said, the 656 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,440 performances and things that made me feel and like I can. 657 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,080 I can not like an ending of a show so like my dearest but 658 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,320 still love the show. So you know, like I because 659 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680 because of everything it made me feel like up until that point. 660 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,600 Right, I'm totally following you. 661 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,760 OK, so for me, I'm looking at my rating on the On the Blog 662 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,600 review, which I'm leaning heavily on. 663 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,800 I gave it a four out of five. OK, so we've actually ended up 664 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,600 in the same place. We're in the same vicinity. 665 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,760 Yeah we are in the same vicinity and that star is probably for 666 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,120 all of the nitpicks and possibly the the resentment I feel 667 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,720 towards the ending. But yeah I think we're we're in 668 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,640 the ballpark you know with our ratings. 669 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200 So four to five sold you bottles. 670 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,240 I had the rewatch value cuz I gave a rewatch value on on my 671 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,240 blog reviews down at two out of five stars and I would say 672 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,960 that's very accurate because I have not rewatched it in the 673 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,360 last five years so. I would not watch rewatch this 674 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,320 drama, right? That's good. 675 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,080 All right. So we're just going to, we're 676 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,680 going to get into the spoiler section. 677 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,560 We'll see how much we spoil because again, I have the memory 678 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,800 of a hamster. It might just be a little more 679 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,040 talking about the ending and some characters and leaning on 680 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,880 on Sarah's experience, having watched it just a few weeks ago. 681 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,560 So without further. Ado last year, actually, just. 682 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,480 Oh yeah, was it last year? My God, my memory. 683 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,960 But it was the end of last year. So yeah, it was the end of last 684 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,960 year. So, all right. 685 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,040 Hopefully still more recent. Than, yeah, all right, spoilers, 686 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,520 spoilers right after this. Excuse me, I can't chat. 687 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,080 I can't chat, yeah, no. I'm sorry. 688 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,320 Discoursing shit. What? 689 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,800 All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, so we're just 690 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,760 going to maybe jump back in on that ending, possibly, and talk 691 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,400 through why Sarah feels the way that she feels and maybe how why 692 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,120 I feel the way that I feel, if I can articulate it with any 693 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,960 possible memory that I have. So why don't you just kind of 694 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,080 walk us through it? So I'm going to start with 695 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,720 saying, did you watch the Japanese drama, the original? 696 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,680 And did you know anything about it when you oh? 697 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,680 No, no, no. Yeah, so me, me neither. 698 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,000 Oh, OK, perfect. That was my next question, but I 699 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,480 read the synopsis and I looked at the poster for the Japanese 700 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,800 show. Identical. 701 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,200 Yes. Not, not that the poster was 702 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,240 identical. The atmosphere and vibe of the 703 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,040 poster was identical to this one. 704 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,200 Yeah. And the synopsis is the same. 705 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,960 Except for the ending, right? No, I I didn't. 706 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,760 I didn't see. Anything. 707 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,000 OK, so did. You look up the Japanese ending. 708 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,400 Yeah, so my understanding. Oh, good. 709 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,720 Oh. Tell me so. 710 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,160 My understanding in the Japanese drama is that they are 711 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,480 biological brothers and sisters. Fuck out of here. 712 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,720 Yeah. No. 713 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,080 Yeah, No. Yes. 714 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,840 So that's why the Japanese drama, for me, the ending makes 715 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,680 more sense that it is logical. This is why they can't be 716 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,760 together. This is why, you know people 717 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560 does all of the stuff that he does to keep them to part. 718 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,960 That makes a lot more sense. And that's where I I mean I kind 719 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,240 of was warring with myself because I was a bit like this is 720 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,240 seems to be what you're suggesting to me because they 721 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,720 spent like him and tack have multiples like conversations 722 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,840 where they're both like they can't be together they can't be 723 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,200 together and you're like why why can't they be together unless oh 724 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,080 they can't be together And then you know when like evil person 725 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,960 that was like the evil Princess in my dearest like she's always 726 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,200 the evil person she's she's telling the the very rich like 727 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,920 Chebol sister was saying she's your sister. 728 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,640 Yeah, she says. She's. 729 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600 She says You're you're. And that's when I thought, fuck 730 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,920 shit, she. Says she's like a fellow, like 731 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,720 sociopath. She says that his father was a 732 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,640 murderer, which is true, and that they're biological brother 733 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,680 and sister, which in this the K drama that's not true, but in 734 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,560 the J drama it is true. Yes, which kind of makes more 735 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,120 sense, right? It makes way more sense. 736 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,920 Part of me a bit like an. Incestuous relationship and he 737 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,920 can't be together. Yeah, exactly. 738 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,920 But then I was really like, is K drama really going with incest? 739 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,200 Like, really like, I just couldn't see it, right? 740 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,000 Like just couldn't see that they would do incest in a in a in a 741 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,480 actual studio network. This isn't that. 742 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,160 Like, this is before. Like streaming could do like 743 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,720 ultraviolence, like stuff that, you know, you wouldn't show on 744 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,200 like network TV. This is proper network TV show. 745 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,360 So I was like, are they really going with the incest? 746 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,400 It was really strong with my brain. 747 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,680 And then I felt like, so to me it felt like the show bottled 748 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,800 it, right? So it bottled doing the incest. 749 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,600 Or maybe it didn't bottle it, but it couldn't for cultural 750 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,720 reasons do incest, but that it still then wanted to stay in the 751 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,000 style of the show or wanted to keep like faith to the original. 752 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,880 But then in so doing like didn't change the logic enough, you 753 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880 know, so they didn't change enough like. 754 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,080 So I wish that basically two things either say, screw it, we 755 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,360 can't go with the incest, so we need to do something different. 756 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,920 Let's just actually give them a happy ending. 757 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,480 Like let's just like let's let's try and do a happy ending or you 758 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,640 fix the logic of the rest of the show to make it make sense. 759 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,400 So then key things like why the why the fuck is he stabbing this 760 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,360 guy? Like why is he walking across 761 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,760 this like this, this, this heart, this road. 762 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,880 And just as a policeman stabbing this guy like I just, you know, 763 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,800 like it made more sense, I guess. 764 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,000 If he knew who he was, but he knew that he was, he knew all 765 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,360 along who he was. And he knew all along he was not 766 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,160 the biological brother of Jin Gang. 767 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,360 OK, so then that's what? So I have. 768 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:42,960 So I have here in my, in my review, a whole paragraph. 769 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,840 A lot of it doesn't make sense to me, but you're touching on 770 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,440 something that I said in this paragraph. 771 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,800 So I have literally Burp. I'm just going to read it. 772 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,920 It's verbatim. It's not that long. 773 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,840 I'm going to skip over the bulk of the melodrama involving 1. 774 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,760 Mooyoung recovers his memories. Moo Mooyoung. 775 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,360 I need to make sure these characters are all lined up just 776 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,240 in case, because it's hard to. So that's Sewinguk's characters. 777 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:14,160 So Sewinguk's character recovers his memories. 2 Jinguk stabs 778 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Sewinguk's character in the freaking St. like a psycho. 779 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,320 This is All in all caps. That's what you're referring to? 780 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,400 Yes, yes, I. I was reeling as well, like this 781 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,720 is an all caps for me. I don't know. 782 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,720 I that that's melodrama that I didn't. 783 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,640 I was just skipping over. I was like, I don't even want to 784 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,560 talk about that necessarily in detail because that's fucking 785 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,840 wild. Three Moo Young, which is sewing 786 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,080 this character, confronts Jinguk at gunpoint about him killing 787 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,720 his father. Yep. 788 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,520 And then I already read this part, say it on the fellows like 789 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,960 sociopath tells MU Young about his father being a murderer and 790 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,200 Jin Gong Jin Kong being the biological sister, which is 791 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:06,160 false in this case. But all of this melodrama just 792 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,280 compounding and it doesn't make sense. 793 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:19,360 It doesn't make sense that the cop brother what's what's to 794 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,400 happen in the street? Yeah, and also because what 795 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,880 doesn't make sense, right, is that they spend so much of this 796 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,480 drama building up his back story that he is a dedicated cop that 797 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,040 he's looked down upon by everybody else in the police 798 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,760 station because. He's so straight laced. 799 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,520 Because he's so straight laced, he's dogged. 800 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,600 He's determined he has to find the truth, but he doesn't find 801 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,040 the truth about this thing, and he's so he needs so he is 802 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,000 dedicated to finding out secrets, but then spends all of 803 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,400 his drama keeping secrets from the sister that he apparently 804 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,240 loves more than anything else in the world. 805 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,360 He is dedicated to unearthing secrets and to finding out 806 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,080 information about things. But he's a. 807 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,760 Liar, But yeah, but is himself a liar? 808 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,760 And then also like doesn't find out everything about so Ingall's 809 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,840 character before stabbing him in the. 810 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,040 Just like This is why I got to the end of it. 811 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,320 I'm just like basically this whole thing could have been 812 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:24,560 prevented if if Jingle could just been honest from the 813 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,440 beginning and that kind of that being the reason why they both 814 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,560 end up dead is. Just. 815 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,240 I can't do it. I can't do it. 816 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,320 I'm just like, you know, if fate. 817 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,880 If fate meant that they can't be together, I can handle that. 818 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,480 But if they can't be together because this one guy didn't tell 819 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,000 them, like, basically communication is the reason why 820 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,720 they're dead. I'm just like no, but it's but. 821 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,800 I see what you're saying that if they went with the J drama, it 822 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,840 would make sense that if he was trying to keep the secret that 823 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,000 their brother and sister maybe, maybe, Yeah. 824 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,760 Again, I would. I would probably lead with that. 825 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,040 I'd be like you can't be together because you're brother 826 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,600 and sister. But hey, isn't it nice that 827 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,640 you've got a real brother and a real sister? 828 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,720 But. Hey, family reunion. 829 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,400 It's If you can't already tell and you've never watched the 830 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,720 show and you're just in the spoiler section for shifts and 831 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,080 gigs. This is it's a melodrama. 832 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,000 It might have a little mock Jang elements in it. 833 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,280 It's it's just it's an adaptation of AJ drama that is a 834 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,520 little unhinged. OK, obviously, but it's really 835 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,960 well done up to certain points. OK is I think the point we're 836 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,000 trying to make and we're trying to make sense of some stuff that 837 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,800 they changed and some stuff that maybe they didn't change. 838 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,440 We're not sure, but it literally because the character, it has 839 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,600 been set up in such a way. The cop brother has been set up 840 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,880 in such a way when he does certain things later on in the 841 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,560 show, it's going against character in such a way as to be 842 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,320 like you're murdering the character. 843 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,160 Yeah, yeah, Because I really liked him. 844 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,360 I really liked him. I thought, what a great adoptive 845 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,000 brother basically, right, Because he's not her real 846 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,600 brother. What a great brother. 847 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,480 He's been like he's brought her up. 848 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,720 He's done such a great job of bringing her up. 849 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,000 She's such a, she's such a lovely, warm person despite, you 850 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,400 know, that awful up, you know start of her life. 851 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,240 And he's like I said, he's got this great relationship with 852 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,320 Tack and he's like really, you know, he's he's like the 853 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,360 underdog in the police station. So I was really rooting for him. 854 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,800 So then in the back of the drama, when he does all these 855 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,600 things, he's just like what? Why have you done this to this 856 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,360 character? Because the other thing that 857 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,520 really annoyed me with him was that he just like he just really 858 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,520 hated Mooyong to. It was a it was a loathing. 859 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,400 Yeah, it was a loathing and and I think I under thought, sorry, 860 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,480 I thought I understood the motives for him hating him so 861 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,640 much. But then as more stuff gets 862 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,640 revealed, the more you're, like really puzzled. 863 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,280 Because thing is like, he feels really sorry for Jinggang 864 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,120 because of everything that happened with her parents. 865 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,240 But basically the same thing happened with MU Yong. 866 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,080 So why do you not feel sorry for him? 867 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,800 You know, like, it's like he got his life wrecked, you know, for 868 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,800 no fault of his own. But she deserves, like all of 869 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,760 the sympathy in the world, and he deserves, like nothing but 870 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,640 your hatred. I just couldn't. 871 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,400 He It's uneven, the application of his pity. 872 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,800 Yeah, it is. And also because he was the one 873 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,040 responsible for Jin Gang. So she she got an amazing life 874 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,200 and became the person she was because of him. 875 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,880 We're sewing guok. He he's like, what would have 876 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,840 happened to her had she not had him in her life, you know, 877 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,320 because he had no one in his life. 878 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,000 And so it's not, it's not surprising he's ended up where 879 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000 he's. I mean, if anything, he should 880 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,400 be congratulated, actually, for being still kind of, like kind 881 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,080 of sane. But he gets no sympathy, just 882 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,600 gets stabbed. It's so unhinged. 883 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,040 So I have here in this review in episode 10. 884 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,720 So first of all, there's 16 episodes, so this is a little 885 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,240 little after the halfway point. In episode 10, Jing Kong, which 886 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:28,400 is Chung's woman's character, again tells Jinguk, the brother, 887 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,360 that she won't break up with MU Yong Sawinguk. 888 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,600 And when the brother starts on another rant to make her feel 889 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,960 guilty, she unleashes her true feelings about how she's felt, 890 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,520 suffocated by his mere presence since her adolescence and so 891 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,000 sorry toward him because she owes him so much. 892 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,240 Thak later tells her to apologize for hurting his 893 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:56,400 feelings, and Jean Kong, Jung Soo Min's character agrees that 894 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,640 she was in the wrong. And I said in my review what? 895 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,120 Why is Jing Kong at fault for telling her true feelings and 896 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,240 saying some hurtful things for a change? 897 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,680 Jing Cook spouts whatever the hell he wants. 898 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,640 It's true, Yeah. Yeah. 899 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,360 And I vaguely remember this. I don't fully remember this part 900 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,440 in the show, but these feelings that I felt are still there 901 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:28,720 where this like unevenness between them, where he can 902 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:37,560 basically use her as this emotional battering like a an 903 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,560 emotional punching bag. That, and also guilt, Alea, 904 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,120 right? Yeah, she's, you know, he's 905 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,600 allaying his own guilt. For, for. 906 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,520 For. For pulling the trigger. 907 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:52,000 Yes, but she can't call him on his bullshit and sort of 908 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,680 question the validity of their relationship. 909 00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,120 Yeah. In fact, she agrees with the 910 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,920 the, you know, sidekick tack and says, yeah, I do need to 911 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,080 apologize because I was wrong to to say all this truthful but 912 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,600 hurtful, hurtful stuff for once in my life. 913 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,280 And I was like, I don't agree with that at all. 914 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,760 Yeah, I think it bothered me less because it's probably quite 915 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,720 a confusion thing. Very good point. 916 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,400 Because he's because he's our older brother. 917 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,080 So you you kind of like in a Confucian relationship. 918 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,360 That's the way it goes. Like your mum can tell you 919 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,880 whatever the hell she wants about everything that's wrong 920 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,720 with you, but you can't do that to your mum because she's, you 921 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,920 know, older in the pecking order than you are. 922 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,760 And so if you do ever say something that upsets or is too 923 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,360 truthful and not diplomatic, you are expected to apologize. 924 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,560 That is the way it goes. You you have to kind of take it. 925 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,240 That is kind of your role. That's an excellent point. 926 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,240 And if you haven't listened to, I think it's two episodes right 927 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,040 now that you guys have out on the Confucianism. 928 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,360 Yes, yes. On Afternoon to Ask podcast, 929 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,120 please go and listen to them 'cause they are so informative 930 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,040 and really fun and entertaining to listen to. 931 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,920 Thanks. Jess Yeah, I had a great time 932 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,960 listening to them. So that's a excellent point that 933 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,160 I'm an international fan and you're of Asian descent. 934 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,920 So like you have a a different experience to Confucianism than 935 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,520 I do. And so you probably felt 936 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,920 differently about this scene in episode 10 and the fallout of 937 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:39,080 the scene than I did. Although, although why the fact 938 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,320 specific thing didn't bug me in that way, I do feel the same way 939 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,880 as you in that like we're still supposed to celebrate him as a 940 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,120 really great brother despite the fact that he he doesn't allow 941 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,920 her to herself really. And she is suffocated and she 942 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,440 is, she must feel like she's constantly having to be grateful 943 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,960 to him. Yeah, so, so again, this is that 944 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,200 kind of thing with this, this unevenness of this drama where, 945 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,480 you know, like I started to like I started off really liking this 946 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,720 character and then the back off just began to really just like 947 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,040 him. And that kind of annoyed me as 948 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,920 well, because I felt a bit like the drama still wanted me to 949 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,840 like him. That's a great point, that the 950 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,520 drama was on his side, the writing, the spirit of the drama 951 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,800 was on his side, and as an audience member, you're like, 952 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,560 but why, yeah. But why? 953 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,040 Because logically. Why doesn't? 954 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,600 Yeah, so we talked about what Moo Yung so Sewinguk's character 955 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,080 does vaguely. Do you want to talk about? 956 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,440 Because I don't remember the details. 957 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,280 I just remember the broad strokes, what he does to the 958 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,680 rich girl Sangha. Yeah, I mean he basically, I'm 959 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,400 not going to go into the detail either because I don't know, I 960 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,000 don't know that I would be able to do it justice. 961 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,560 But effectively he decides, I mean, we start off right. 962 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,720 She's engaged to a really rich Chebol person at the start. 963 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,440 And he overhears the conversation between them. 964 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,400 And I think at that point, I guess we he just decides, do you 965 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,520 know what? Like, I could, I could get this 966 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,880 Chebol girl. Like I could get her, you know, 967 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,960 I could get her away from this fiance. 968 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,520 And he just does his womanizing tricks like he you feel like 969 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,760 this is not the first time he's done this, you know, he just 970 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,880 thought it's a challenge to see if I can get her to like me. 971 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:44,240 And it was really easy. And I remember one of the things 972 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:48,520 like, because I think the drama sets him off as a red flag. 973 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,600 But you like we discussed right at the start, you want to find 974 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,640 the reasons why he's a red flag. And you want to find like, 975 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,520 reasons to sympathize with him and and find the goodness in him 976 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,040 really early on, right? Like really early on the drama 977 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,160 does this. And then I remember she's in the 978 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,160 car and she tells him, I looked up your friend that you said 979 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,840 went to this college and he's never been there. 980 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,320 And then Sewing got like, he just, he's been caught out, 981 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,240 right? He has lied. 982 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:22,880 His friend didn't go to college and he's just like, he just 983 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,920 blinks. He's no reaction whatsoever. 984 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,800 Like, it's no big. Not only that, but he throws it 985 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,480 back on us. He gaslights her, basically 986 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,880 throws it back on her, gaslights her and says you're wrong. 987 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,000 He does go to that college, he goes to this college, this other 988 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,280 college. I don't know what the difference 989 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,720 is, but anyway, he gaslights her and he does it really calmly, 990 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,400 really cruelly. And I that's like kind of why I 991 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,760 like the drama. Because it never let me settle 992 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,840 into deciding whether or not this character, this main lead, 993 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,600 was somebody I could or could not root for. 994 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,520 Because all the time they're like wrong footing me because I 995 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,080 was just like, oh shit, that's a really horrible thing to do. 996 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,600 Like it's a really psychotic thing to do. 997 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,040 Like, you know, lie so much and then gaslight her so, so you 998 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,800 could see also you could really feel like why someone as 999 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,280 sheltered as her, she's lived such a sheltered upbringing 1000 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,720 would fall so badly for this guy and he was just constantly 1001 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,400 giving her a little bit of rope and then tugging, tugging. 1002 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,320 This is why I said, like, he's a cat with a toy. 1003 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,640 It's like every time she kind of rolled away a little bit, he'd 1004 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,240 be like, I'm going to do a little bit to make you come back 1005 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,920 a little bit and then I'm just going to ignore you again. 1006 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520 And it was just that constant backwards and forwards and 1007 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,440 backwards and forwards and then in the end they're in this car 1008 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,280 together, right? And it's not completely obvious 1009 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:46,400 to me that he didn't she she, no, she's not sorry. 1010 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,960 They're not in a car together. They're they're basically, 1011 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,480 they're all involved in the car crash together. 1012 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:56,320 She's driving like a lunatic and because of him, because of 1013 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,880 emotions that he's wound up in her and she ends up, she 1014 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,600 doesn't, she ends up dying, right? 1015 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,560 She dies. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 1016 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,800 Yeah, and a lot of it is, you know, because he's been kind of 1017 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:17,680 puppet stringing how long? I have here, this is my this is 1018 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,800 my review. So I said here song as death I 1019 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600 this has to do with the specificity here and I was 1020 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,920 wondering if you were going to mention it. 1021 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,480 So hopefully this will trigger something and you'll maybe 1022 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,480 you'll answer this question for me because I it's almost an 1023 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,160 unanswerable question. So I said Sunga's death. 1024 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,360 I couldn't understand the line. Don't get caught. 1025 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,280 Moo Young says this to Sunga and then they immediately crashed. 1026 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,720 Did he say this to her to distract her from driving? 1027 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,320 Did he say this more to himself? Did he tell her this sincerely? 1028 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,920 It was top of mind again when the evil said on the other. 1029 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,240 Like sociopath in the show said she was just tickled by his 1030 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,760 statement when she heard it on the black box footage. 1031 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,760 Why did he even think to tell her in that moment not to get 1032 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,400 caught? What was up with this? 1033 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,440 We'll never be taken alive mentality. 1034 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,800 Am I missing something? So that's it. 1035 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,160 What it What do you think of that? 1036 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,360 I don't know. I don't know. 1037 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,120 What to say? I agree with you. 1038 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,160 I think there was a real ambivalence to what he meant by 1039 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,000 that line. I think it was kind of similar 1040 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,840 to his whole role through the drama, right? 1041 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,320 It's a lot of ambivalence of like, what did you actually 1042 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,400 mean? What did you actually think? 1043 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,920 I mean, for me, I felt like he it was just the final winding 1044 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,360 her up, like keep driving like so fast and erratically. 1045 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,320 Don't you don't? Yeah, in the rain. 1046 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,000 Don't get caught. Like, please keep, Because his 1047 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,320 whole thing, his whole shtick, I think from the beginning was 1048 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,160 like, you're some sheltered rich girl that doesn't know what real 1049 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,680 life is. And so you need to kind of live 1050 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,920 outside of your comfort zone and know what it's like to be in the 1051 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,400 real world. And I felt like that was him 1052 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,840 goading her to just be like, stop being so safe. 1053 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,200 Don't be that safe girl again. I know. 1054 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,040 Live, live your life. Like take risks. 1055 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,960 And that's for me. What? 1056 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,640 So that's why that is the most red. 1057 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,200 One of the most red flag things he does in the whole drama is 1058 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,040 his relationship with her and what he did to her. 100%, Yeah, 1059 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,960 100% Because he's not. He doesn't date that girl with 1060 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,360 any real sincerity at all. No, not at. 1061 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:28,560 All at all. That's. 1062 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,680 And that girl, that that song character that we keep 1063 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,440 referencing was Jean Kong's best friend. 1064 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,240 Yes, well supposed best friend. Supposed best friend? 1065 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,240 Whatever. But she and that girl was likely 1066 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,760 infatuated with him. And you know, there's a lot of 1067 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,440 stuff that flies in the face of K Drama Rules like Sewing Gook's 1068 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,320 character has sex with her and that's like a no no, right 1069 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,280 that's kind of edgy in K Drama Land. 1070 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,800 And that's way before you know this entire relationship blows 1071 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,920 up in their faces with the car crash in the rain. 1072 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,680 And obviously MU Young, that character survives. 1073 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,960 I say here he signs a non disclosure from her family as 1074 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,640 soon as he recovers and easily walks away with some cash. 1075 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,240 No remorse, no regret, no mourning. 1076 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:25,200 Like it was nothing for him. And actually also like Ching 1077 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,520 Kong as well, like, so I found it really confusing because the 1078 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,560 drama seemed to like they were kind of acquaintances. 1079 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,760 I thought at the start and then in the middle of the drama when 1080 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,480 all this kind of like mini melodrama was happening, they 1081 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,160 were supposed to be really good friends. 1082 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,560 And then and then it. Was like, what are we? 1083 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,200 Yeah, but then she dies, and Ching Kong's not really that. 1084 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,360 I felt like she wasn't really that. 1085 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,680 Right, right, right. Yeah, it's not that deep. 1086 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:56,440 No. OK, but this whole thing made at 1087 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,760 night. My review. 1088 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:03,200 I'd say he was basically a clinical sociopath, and I don't 1089 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,920 even think they use that term anymore. 1090 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,240 I think they medical professional or, you know, 1091 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,640 psycho. Psycho. 1092 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,840 What do they call it? Psychiatrist. 1093 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,800 Psychiatrists or psychologists or medical professionals, they 1094 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,600 use the term antisocial personality disorder and that is 1095 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,160 what he had. I feel like some of the 1096 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,040 behavioural traits of antisocial personality disorder are 1097 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,240 antisocial behaviour, deceitfulness, hostility, 1098 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:40,240 irresponsibility, manipulative, manipulativeness, risk taking 1099 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,440 behaviors, aggression, impulsivity, irritability or 1100 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,840 lack of restraint. And some of the mood traits are 1101 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,800 anger, boredom or general discontent. 1102 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,040 And this matches Moo Young to AT. 1103 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,840 That is basically his character. That is his character to AT the 1104 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:08,280 first thing that Jean Kong, which is Chung Soman's 1105 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:14,360 character, teaches Mooyong is how to feel and how to be human. 1106 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,280 And even despite the fact that he spent his whole life 1107 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,720 observing people, he's removed from all of his remote emotions. 1108 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,720 And what I say in my review is anything that caught his 1109 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,160 interest, he pursued until he got bored again. 1110 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,400 And it's a little game he kept playing until Song LA's death, 1111 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,680 which is when basically this romance sort of gets going with 1112 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:47,640 him and Jung Selman's character. Yeah, so I, you know, I actually 1113 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,320 really. So putting aside the Sungai 1114 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,080 thing, which to be fair, the drama makes us do anyway. 1115 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,520 So he's like, oh, she's you know that? 1116 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:54,000 Yeah. Yeah. 1117 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,760 They're like, we'll close the book on that. 1118 01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,720 I had to be fair, like I was happy to follow it because I'm 1119 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,120 just like, oh, I kind of want to like this guy. 1120 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,680 And I can't if I dwell too much on what he did to her anyway. 1121 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,160 So I did really like that they went from this really snippy 1122 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,480 enemies kind of like relationship to this gradual and 1123 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,800 I felt pretty authentic falling for each other. 1124 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,040 And although we don't get a lot of, I mean, this is not a 1125 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,840 romance drama by any means. Right, I don't consider this 1126 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:24,440 somehow. Yes. 1127 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,200 So although we do still get, you know, plenty of their scenes 1128 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,320 together and they're really lovely, they're really some of 1129 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,800 them are really. It's magical. 1130 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,360 Yeah, it is. And they really feel like, I 1131 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,000 think you said it earlier, like they're soul connected and they 1132 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,280 really made us feel that way and they have some really great skin 1133 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,960 ship. It really felt sexy scenes 1134 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,800 together. Yes, in a in a way that you 1135 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,200 don't even see in today's dramas, I feel. 1136 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,960 Yeah, I definitely. And actually, for me, of all of 1137 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,240 I mean, I've only seen Johnson in in this, and because this is 1138 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,960 my first life in the alchemy of soul, I actually feel like this 1139 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,960 is her best chemistry and her best sexual chemistry with 1140 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,800 somebody. I can agree with that. 1141 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,000 I can. I can get behind that statement. 1142 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,120 For sure. And I feel like she turned it on 1143 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,200 specifically with SO and Gook as well because I also really liked 1144 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,000 in contrast because she has this, she dates this other 1145 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:16,680 policeman. Right. 1146 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,760 This other policeman called Chorong for a while. 1147 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,560 He's he's basically introduced by the brother as another tactic 1148 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,800 to try and get her to not. That's right. 1149 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,720 That's right. He was like, why don't you, 1150 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,520 like, meet this guy instead? And she actually does. 1151 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,960 It yes, she does. And they have these dates, but I 1152 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,600 love that she has just so zero chemistry with this guy, right? 1153 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,640 Zero chemistry whatsoever. There was like, no zinginess. 1154 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,840 There's just, it's just beige. And I really liked that 1155 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:47,880 contrast. Like. 1156 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,920 I really thought, like, it was really skillful acting on her 1157 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,480 heart, on her behalf because you could see the difference in, you 1158 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,440 know, how Moo Young made her feel because, you know, whether 1159 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,400 she hated him or loved him, he made her feel all the time. 1160 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,040 Whereas with the with the other policemen, she's just like she's 1161 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,600 just behind, you know, a a glass. 1162 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,360 Yeah, she's really polite. Yeah. 1163 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,880 She's really like she's not moved at all in either way. 1164 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:22,000 Yeah, yes, I said. I'm just like, I can't believe I 1165 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,800 wrote this. I said I actually looked at a 1166 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,600 non existent camera office style. 1167 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,680 When sewing. Good. 1168 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,720 Delivered the line. I want to sleep with you. 1169 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,200 Yes. Do you remember that line? 1170 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,640 OK, OK. What a great like, 'cause they 1171 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,640 have sex and their foreplay is super sweet, 'cause they're like 1172 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,240 playfully. I could see it in my hand. 1173 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,000 They're like sitting on the bed and they're playfully removing 1174 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,600 each other's clothes. Yes, yeah. 1175 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,000 And it's so there's so much like intimacy and chemistry. 1176 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,640 And it's like, it's like you said zinginess between them and 1177 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,280 you're just like, this is like amazing. 1178 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,840 It's so good. It is, yeah. 1179 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,120 So. And then all hell breaks loose. 1180 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:18,000 It does. I can't. 1181 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:25,560 Oh, I have a a nice thought here again because I'm like using me, 1182 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,640 my thoughts from five years ago to like power through this. 1183 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:35,400 I apologize. But I also said that MU Young 1184 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,960 shows her this family portrait that he drew in crayon as a 1185 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,800 child, saying that he imagines himself as a lost boy instead of 1186 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,840 an abandoned child. Yes. 1187 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,720 And I found so much meaning in that because the distinction was 1188 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,720 very poetic to me. I said to shield himself from 1189 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,040 further heartbreak. He keeps hoping that he's just 1190 01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:01,560 been misplaced, lost, instead of actively abandoned by his 1191 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,640 parents, his father especially. And then I'm I start musing at 1192 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,840 the end of this and I'm like, damn, I don't know if I can 1193 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,600 write that like this now. I say, if he's lost, if he's a 1194 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,240 lost boy. Is he the Peter Pan variety? 1195 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,120 The ones who have a ton of agency and choose not to be 1196 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,880 found? But I digress. 1197 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,279 Interesting. Yeah. 1198 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,000 So I don't know if you've had any thoughts about the family 1199 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:30,640 portrait and him like shielding himself from a little bit of 1200 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,399 that feeling aspect. Definitely. 1201 01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,040 I mean, I do think that's what the drama, and it had to, in a 1202 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,640 way, right? To to keep us in this 1203 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,279 ambivalence of wanting to love this male lead but not being 1204 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:47,680 able to love this maldeed was so much about fleshing out that 1205 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,560 emotion, that huge emotional crater of a wound that he's 1206 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,880 carrying around. And we see this crayon picture a 1207 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,439 lot, right? It's used a lot. 1208 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,359 It's it's in lots and lots of scenes. 1209 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:05,200 And we are in typical K drama style, but done very well given 1210 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,240 lots of partial flashbacks as we piece to, you know, together. 1211 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,319 And he pieces together because obviously, as you said, he lost 1212 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,439 his memory, his background on what happened and what really 1213 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,600 happened. And and I think they do this so 1214 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,840 well because they really. Yeah, they really just show what 1215 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,560 a broken boy he is. And and I think especially when, 1216 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,880 you know, she discovers that his, that, like scabby rooftop 1217 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,120 apartment that he lives in has got like, no cooking utensils. 1218 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,000 And so then they have this supermarket shopping scene where 1219 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,359 she's basically. Just buying stuff, Yeah, and 1220 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:42,960 then you're drogging my memory when? 1221 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,800 You, Yeah. And then she says this line 1222 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,800 about something like you, you have to have rice in your house, 1223 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,520 You have to eat. You know, you have to like home. 1224 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,400 Creation of home is about having a home cooked meal and is about 1225 01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,560 having rice in your ice cooker ready to eat. 1226 01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:05,880 And and I think that's the first time he's had a home, right. 1227 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:10,240 So it's really, really, really it just creates such an 1228 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,280 emotional feeling in you. And then when they have their 1229 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,480 breakup. So you know when he, he says 1230 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,320 he's going to split up with her and he does that kind of like 1231 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,520 kind of sacrificial thing of like, I'm gonna break up with 1232 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,520 you and pretend that I don't love you anymore, but actually 1233 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,240 I'm doing it for you type thing. And then he's kind of like in 1234 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,600 his apartment, with all the cooking utensils that she 1235 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,320 bought, and he just. She's everywhere, yeah. 1236 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,800 And you're just like, oh, when you just want to give him a big 1237 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,200 hug Because by that point, by that point, you've kind of 1238 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,760 forgiven all of his red flagness. 1239 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,560 You're just like, he's just a walking emotional wounds. 1240 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,640 You're like he couldn't help it. He's like a yellow flag. 1241 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:55,400 Now I maybe, I don't know. So I don't even remember exactly 1242 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,320 how the bad guys end up at this Cabin in the Woods type thing at 1243 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:08,280 the end of the show. But they get shot and die 1244 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:18,880 together and that's the ending that we get versus their brother 1245 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:25,360 and sister or some other version that was not written. 1246 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,040 And they never get to live the rest of their lives together. 1247 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:38,600 They die where their parents died, and it's just a lot of 1248 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,360 like, murder and sociopaths. I'm sorry, antisocial 1249 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:48,960 personality disorder and glimpses of redemption and a 1250 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:56,080 very depressing ending. And I don't know if you had any, 1251 01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,520 like other thoughts about the ending or any other 1252 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,440 clarifications that you wanted to make. 1253 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,840 Yeah, yeah, I think, I think for me there. 1254 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,160 Were a few things. Like I felt. 1255 01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,640 I remember when I was watching it feeling like I think as soon 1256 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:17,320 as he shot the rich chaebol sister, that's when I thought 1257 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,360 OK, like I had a little bit of hope that there might possibly 1258 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,040 be a happy ending for those two. And then when he shot her, I was 1259 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,480 like OK that's done. Like, we're not getting one. 1260 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:33,280 And and to be honest, like the post, that post, that scene, the 1261 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,960 scene when he's the scene where she's planted the seed, that 1262 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:41,160 Jing Gong is his real sister, are some of the best scenes that 1263 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:46,320 Sewing Book has ever, ever done. Like he is in his rooftop 1264 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,560 apartment and he's just broken, devastated. 1265 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,080 And so you can kind of see also when she's goading him and 1266 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,280 goading him because she, she has a great set of lines, the 1267 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:02,360 chaebol rich sister, where she's really winding him up and then, 1268 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,560 you know, obviously ends with a bullet in her. 1269 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,400 You can totally see why he got to that point, you know. 1270 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,960 So even at that point when you're just like, it's bad, he 1271 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,720 shot someone. I think we as the audience were 1272 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:22,160 like, oh, that was your chance. Like you you've now, like, we 1273 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,760 totally know why you did this. But now you've lost your chance 1274 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,280 at at being with her now, right. This is this kind of, this is 1275 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,240 when this kind of heavy cloud of dread started to kind of descend 1276 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,400 on the show. And you brought it. 1277 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,360 But I remember feeling like right at the end, even when 1278 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,600 they're in that cabin and he's already shot this chaebol 1279 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,400 sister, and he's like a wanted criminal now. 1280 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,920 And there was still like, a little bit of me was like, well, 1281 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,480 maybe she could wait for him, like after he gets out of prison 1282 01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:56,120 and they're really old and they could finally peak, you know 1283 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,600 what I mean? Even then, even then I was like 1284 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,120 there was a little bit of me despite, as I said, starting 1285 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,200 this drama pretty much thinking there would not be a happy 1286 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,320 ending. I think by then I was still even 1287 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,200 like, maybe they could. And then cushioning the blow a 1288 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,840 bit. Yeah, cushioning the blow. 1289 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,720 And then no. We had to have this kind of like 1290 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,240 RJ, kind of it. It was very Romeo and. 1291 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,680 Giulietti. Yeah, he's died. 1292 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,320 Therefore I should die type thing. 1293 01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,520 Because even then I was like, you don't have to die, 1294 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,800 Chinggang. Like you, I I get that you're so 1295 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:33,000 connected with the sky, but you're still, you know, an 1296 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,760 independent, feisty woman in your own right. 1297 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,080 So that was another thing that I was a bit like, I'm not 1298 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,680 convinced she had to die. Like, I felt a bit, oh, sorry. 1299 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,920 And then the other thing to remember that Jarred me as well 1300 01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:50,600 was that post finding out that Che Boris's rich sister has died 1301 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,280 and there's question marks over who killed him. 1302 01:14:54,560 --> 01:15:00,800 I remember Xin Gang is like, no, it's not Moo Yong. 1303 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,680 It couldn't be Moo Yong. Oh, that's right. 1304 01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,800 She was like, in denial. Yes, she's in denial, but Gomin 1305 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:11,040 Shi's character. Like Moo Yong's friend, the one 1306 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,800 that was also like a fellow psychopathic or sociopath 1307 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,840 rather, that both went to this, you know, psychiatrist. 1308 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:24,320 She's basically like, she knows who he is and she gets like that 1309 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,640 he could be this person. So then I remember it feeling 1310 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,960 like it Jarred a little bit with me because it was a bit like, if 1311 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:36,160 he's someone you love so well, so much and a soul connected 1312 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:40,240 with, like, why do you not also know that this is, this is his 1313 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,320 personality too, that he's capable of being this person? 1314 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:44,960 Like, it's like you fell in love. 1315 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,840 Did you fall in love with The Mirage? 1316 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,400 Like, did you fall in love with somebody that you had made-up in 1317 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,640 your mind, actually, that you could be so vehement and adamant 1318 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,880 that he did not kill this woman, when clearly throughout the 1319 01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,200 whole drama we've seen, he could actually totally, completely 1320 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,560 murder someone. That is exactly who he is. 1321 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,960 Yeah, I. I don't know what the answer is, 1322 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,760 but I I see where you're coming from that she it's almost like a 1323 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:21,080 disconnect with the character because the character of John 1324 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:27,440 Suman, because someone's character showed her exactly who 1325 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:32,320 he was throughout and there was no question that he could have. 1326 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,040 Killed. Someone, I mean, kind of already 1327 01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,680 did like. Indirectly, right, Right. 1328 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,200 And there was like a clean up job. 1329 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,680 That he had done earlier in the show as well, like he didn't 1330 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,680 murder somebody, but he cleaned it up. 1331 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,280 Yes. As what? 1332 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,960 Like that was like the. Intro to the whole show and. 1333 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,760 It's like, OK, if you can clean up a dead body and stage a 1334 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,000 scene. Like you can total stage a scene 1335 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,920 to make it look like a suicide. Yeah, yeah, you could. 1336 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,320 Totally. Murder somebody dude. 1337 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:10,680 Like that's. She knew all of this and she was 1338 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,280 still like, Oh no, I can't be. Him. 1339 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,320 No, I just found like, babe, I just just just. 1340 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,760 Jarred a little bit for me like I could I could see you know, 1341 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,400 like if her character had just been about praying that it 1342 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,240 wasn't him praying that, you know it had to do with him like 1343 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,400 that I get. But this whole like, oh, it's 1344 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,080 not him. He didn't do it thing. 1345 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,920 Was it like she was like, too? Sure, it was just. 1346 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,440 Yeah, it was just, it just Jarred. 1347 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:35,160 It was like. Do you actually know who you 1348 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,160 fall in love with? Because we do. 1349 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,160 Yeah. We're we're still cheering. 1350 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,160 We're still cheering. You guys on? 1351 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,680 But like, we know exactly who he is. 1352 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,600 Yeah, that's the the. Cabin in the Woods scene is very 1353 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,160 heavy. This is basically the last scene 1354 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,800 in the whole show. She pleads with him not to kill 1355 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,880 himself. She uses herself as leverage, 1356 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:07,000 puts the gun to her own head. He tells her to just go, and I 1357 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,760 have here in my review. She says Go where? 1358 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:16,560 And he replies to how it was before me, and she tearfully 1359 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:23,000 says, but you were with me from the beginning, and that I felt 1360 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,800 was very heavy. That was very telling that she 1361 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,920 almost can't envision herself without him because he was there 1362 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,760 always. Yeah, well, she said that quite 1363 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,000 a few times. Like, I think when you know, 1364 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,720 when her brother Jingle was trying to tell her to not be 1365 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,600 with him anymore, she'd said quite a few times. 1366 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,760 I'm I can't live without him. I can't live without him. 1367 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,160 And you really, really began to feel that. 1368 01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,560 I think I do, too. Like, I believe her. 1369 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,720 Yeah. They did a good job of showing 1370 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,440 us why. She felt that way, yeah. 1371 01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,320 There's like a codependency between them, yeah? 1372 01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,520 That they develop and then she. Realizes who? 1373 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,160 He is. And their history together and 1374 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,840 stuff and it just sort of clicks and then they just died. 1375 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:12,320 Like they get killed like the Jiang family henchman secretary 1376 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,320 dude, who like, shoots them both dead. 1377 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,480 And that's the plot device. That's it. 1378 01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:17,960 Like they? Die. 1379 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,120 It's just not it's. I don't think that. 1380 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,080 I don't think this. Drama's for everybody at all. 1381 01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:31,800 I think if you're you know the for for if you're the hometown 1382 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:38,000 Cha cha cha person, don't watch this show at all. 1383 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,880 That's not, this is not for you. But if you're the Love Lies girl 1384 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:52,000 or maybe into some tomorrow with you, maybe is is a better, a 1385 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,960 little closer in tone to this this show. 1386 01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,480 This is not light at all. It's definitely a melodrama and 1387 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,600 it doesn't have a happy ending. We just said like they die. 1388 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,680 It's just it's just tragic. Like they have a tragic back 1389 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,400 story. It's it's all the things. 1390 01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:13,360 And the guy's toxic. He's a red flag. 1391 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:14,880 He said that over and over again. 1392 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,600 It's all the things, but it's incredibly interesting and it's 1393 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:27,720 a lot of K drama. Like this is like a very K drama 1394 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,880 Y show. It doesn't have a lot of Western 1395 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,600 influence, I would say like a lot of the shows we see today, 1396 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,640 OK, this is not a. Netflix output. 1397 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,080 At all. Yeah, it's very mellow. 1398 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,440 It's. Very mellow. 1399 01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:50,040 And. It it just permeates the whole 1400 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,640 show. And if that's not your vibe, if 1401 01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,560 you're a mood watcher, you got to wait, wait until you kind of 1402 01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,960 feel it to watch this show. But I do feel like there's some 1403 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,400 merit in it. I feel like there's something to 1404 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,400 it. I feel like there's something 1405 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:12,560 about this pairing and the the machinations and the 1406 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,960 relationships of the show are just kind of like you can't look 1407 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:22,920 away at the train wreck of it. So I would. 1408 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,480 Recommend it, but it's not for. Everybody. 1409 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:30,400 No, I remember. When I first started it, I'd 1410 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,440 have forgotten who it was. Sorry, somebody commented on my 1411 01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:40,640 feed and said I love this show but I never recommend this show 1412 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,320 because. Because. 1413 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,880 Because of what it is. So I'm really looking forward to 1414 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,280 seeing how you feel about it. And I remember thinking like, 1415 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,280 how does that work? That you would love a show but 1416 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,040 you can't ever recommend it. I feel that statement deeply. 1417 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,720 Yeah, yeah, but. Afterwards I was like, OK, I 1418 01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:00,360 totally. Got it. 1419 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:01,280 I get it. I get it. 1420 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,080 I get it. I mean, I have. 1421 01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,680 Actually recommended it, but it's to people. 1422 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,640 Whose drama tastes. I know already. 1423 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,360 You know like I've. I'm kind of. 1424 01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,880 I'm feel confident that that they will like what I liked in 1425 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,880 it and that would be enough. Absolutely. 1426 01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,280 Oh my God. It's worth noting I love. 1427 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:22,000 Angsty shows, and so do you. Yes, yes, we're angsty bitches. 1428 01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,240 So this. Was like kind of in our 1429 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,720 wheelhouse. OK, if you're not an angsty 1430 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,040 person in any way, shape or form, this ain't for you. 1431 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,080 No, this is super angst in fact, actually. 1432 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,560 Right. So I actually went on a Reddit 1433 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,160 thread. Oh no. 1434 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,480 Of somebody? No, no, no. 1435 01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:40,120 It was. It was for. 1436 01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,360 Drama. If it was drama, Rex. 1437 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,160 So it was like, can someone recommend me an angsty drama? 1438 01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:48,640 And then literally about 10 replies in a row was smilers 1439 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,920 left your eyes. It's perfect. 1440 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,080 I was like just a ticket. Yes, it's so true. 1441 01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,520 It is full on, Full on. Angst. 1442 01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,840 Well, it's. Full on. 1443 01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,720 Angst there I. Mean there was a there was a 1444 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,440 chance that they could be brother and sister. 1445 01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,000 It doesn't end up happening in this show, but in the J drama. 1446 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,240 Lo and behold there. If there's incestuous in there. 1447 01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,040 Not in this version, though, no, if that. 1448 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:19,600 If that's your ick, it's not in here, yeah, yeah. 1449 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,360 And then if it is then. Jay drama is where to go. 1450 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:23,880 And then they watch a dray drama. 1451 01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:25,400 Yeah, yeah. Where? 1452 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,760 It would logically make more sense, right? 1453 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,800 Right. Anyway, I think I've come to the 1454 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,320 end of like, my memory and the end of what I had in my original 1455 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,360 blog review. So I guess that's the end of my 1456 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,280 notes. Do you have anything else you'd 1457 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,680 like to add about? The smile has left your eyes 1458 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,240 before we get out of here. No, I think that's I got to wrap 1459 01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:47,920 it up as. Well, yeah. 1460 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,640 OK, perfect. I'm so glad we. 1461 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,960 Got to go through everything with as much detail as we could. 1462 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,400 And if you have anything else you'd like to say, if you're 1463 01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:58,920 listening to this and you're like, they didn't talk about 1464 01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,000 this, I swear to God, we just didn't remember it, OK? 1465 01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,760 It's just the fact, the simple fact that a lot of things just 1466 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,920 didn't line up and we didn't remember. 1467 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:14,160 OK, I'm sorry, but feel free to reach out to us, OK? 1468 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,440 Reach out to us. I'm more than willing to look 1469 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,920 things up and actually read the recaps after the fact. 1470 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,080 I don't give a shit. I'll do whatever I can to to 1471 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:27,080 appease you guys. I feel terrible that I couldn't 1472 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,840 do the homework, basically for the assignment. 1473 01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,920 I don't know. I feel like you're, you're, 1474 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,640 you're. I think you do feel bad about 1475 01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,840 doing it, but I do think we've kind of done most of it justice. 1476 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,160 I do think I am OK. I think anything that we didn't. 1477 01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,760 Cover would have been. Kind of smaller details. 1478 01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,400 That's what I feel like anyway. Perfect. 1479 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,040 Perfect. Hopefully. 1480 01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,000 That's how. Hopefully that's how people 1481 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:53,120 feel. Sarah, where can people find you 1482 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,640 online? So I'm on Instagram at K Drama. 1483 01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:00,760 This and I Co host a podcast afternoon at Asks. 1484 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:06,280 So we're at afternoon asks on Instagram and on Twitter. 1485 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,640 And yeah, check us out. So we are actually, we're going 1486 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:15,520 to slightly drop a new Confucian episode on My Dearest Suit. 1487 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,040 So that was a ton of fun. Oh my grace, yeah, we just 1488 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,160 really picked that drama apart. It was so fun. 1489 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,600 God, I came from a confusion point of view. 1490 01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,480 I can so much. Confusion. 1491 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:27,720 It's war to war. Confucius. 1492 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,080 That. It is, and I remember mentioning 1493 01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,960 a lot of that. In in our review as well in the 1494 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:38,080 Pivot review about the values and how like it was just that 1495 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,840 was a big part of the show and it's it was a really good, it 1496 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,440 was a really good episode. Oh, thank you, thank you. 1497 01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:45,840 So I can't wait to listen to that. 1498 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,000 Episode from you guys. I'll I'll be first in line to 1499 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,400 press play. Absolutely. 1500 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:55,000 So Afternoon asks for their podcasts and K drama lists on 1501 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,040 Instagram and the socials without. 1502 01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,400 I think that's it. That's been our show. 1503 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,240 I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rambles podcast. 1504 01:26:27,720 --> 01:27:13,680 The, the, 1505 01:27:28,600 --> 01:28:09,120 the. The. 1506 01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:18,520 The.