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I'm Jessica and this is Teba K 
Rambles, where a couple of 

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friends review Korean dramas. 
And I'm back for a new episode, 

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a new K drama. 
And today I'm joined by the 

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incredible Sarah from K Drama. 
This slash the cohost of 

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Afternoon Ask podcast. 
How are you, Sarah? 

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Hey, I'm so excited to be here, 
Jess. 

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So thank you so much for 
inviting me. 

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Yes, I'm absolutely thrilled 
that you're here. 

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I think I asked you on this 
episode like January or February

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of this year. 
We're now towards the end of the

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summer and I feel terrible that 
it's taken this long to get 

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here, but I'm thrilled that we 
were both able to watch the show

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that we're going to talk about 
today. 

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Do you like Brahms, A musical K 
drama? 

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And we're going to do a nice 
deep dive. 

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I forgot to preface this by 
saying that I was going to ask 

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you this question, which was how
did you get into K dramas and 

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see dramas and all the rest. 
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Well and so I my background, for
those of you who don't know me, 

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I'm British Chinese, so my 
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So I technically been watching 
Asian dramas. 

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So Hong Kong dramas, like way 
before any Western dramas or any

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other dramas really. 
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sufficiently old, right? 
We only had one TV in the house 

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when I was growing up and like 
after dinner and the programming

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for the cartoon stops. 
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this is like our TV time now and
so you can sit and watch TV with

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us, but it's Hong Kong dramas or
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And I was like, I don't like 
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I'm gonna stay around and watch 
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So. 
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watching sees Hong Kong dramas 
trying to Hong Kong Chinese 

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dramas all my childhood. 
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very lucky. 
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back then TVB, which is like the
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channel, was like in its. 
Golden era, so people that you 

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might know so like Tony Lung who
played the Mandarin in Shangchi,

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the Marvel movie like. 
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like he was an opera. 
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original opera, like my crush 
when I was growing up and and 

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then Andy Lau, who he was in a 
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It's like a big star. 
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know Crouching Tiger and 
Michelle Yeoh and Jackie Chan, 

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like this is their era. 
Like, this is the era that I 

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grew up. 
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acknowledge that Hong Kong drama
is just it's not really where 

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it's at anymore, but back in the
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And Leslie Chung he gets like 
regularly kind of name dropped 

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and he was hugely properly in 
career. 

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I don't I didn't realize until I
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see references to him and his 
movies all the time now. 

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So obviously he was really big 
in career. 

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So yeah, so grew up with that 
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So again there was like this 
this. 

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So in Cantonese I'll say 
Daichung gum is I think it's a. 

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A really old, very popular K 
drama that charted like the 

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history of a female physician. 
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during Lockdown. 
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it was huge in Asia. 
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watching it like just kind of 
binging and binging it. 

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And I remember dipping in and 
out of it, but I just wasn't 

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really like getting it. 
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So they were like doing like way
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And I was like, I'm, I got to 
sleep. 

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So I. 
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crash lending on you. 
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My gateway drama. 
My gateway drama. 

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And yeah, it was like an 
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So just so I'm a romance reader.
I've always been like a lifelong

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romance reader. 
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this drama like? 
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Everything in it, you know? 
Like, they don't, they don't 

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limit themselves. 
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right? 
Like, they're gonna just Chuck 

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everything at this drama. 
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was like, my God, what is this? 
I've got like the worst 

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hangover. 
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like over and over. 
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way I can cure myself in this 
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It's just to rewatch the whole 
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like I've just gotta see them 
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like, yeah, and then I feel like
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and then that's it. 
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like, I don't think I've watched
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Crash landing on you. 
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journey. 
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I love to hear people's origin 
stories and how you grew up in 

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the heyday of Hong Kong cinema 
and television and how that's 

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really just segued into talking 
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pandemic made us all rethink 
life and, you know, changed our 

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our watch habits tremendously. 
And I'm so thankful for crash 

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landing on you, which we have 
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I had my OG cohost Rico watch it
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understand. 
This is like the gateway drama 

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for so many people. 
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make him understand the gravity 
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And he was like, yeah, like he 
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It wasn't necessarily the 
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So and then I have been really 
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to watch because every time we 
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an episode with me for Tibak, 
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He's not like riveted by 
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He's just takes it all in stride
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this was bad and pretty even 
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And I haven't hit like a sweet 
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amazing show. 
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much said that about is Signal. 
I need to work that. 

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I still need to work that cuz 
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My God, me too. 
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He's doing like a fan. 
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Asia for a holiday, for a family
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I've been like, just scouring 
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doing a flipping fan meet while 
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going either just before or just
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oh, they're like in a different 
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nearly in Manila. 
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like. 
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which is where I'm going to. 
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do your fan meet in August when 
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Like, I so wanted. 
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curious, right. 
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meet, right. 
Same I was about. 

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I mean, like if your dad meets 
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Exactly right. 
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idol singer and you're not doing
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what are you? 
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Korean? 
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does somebody live, translate or
like how do you like what do 

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they do on fan Meets? 
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I have so many questions that 
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They're just going to a fan. 
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Well, thanks again for chatting 
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So please join us over there. 
All right, Sarah, we're going to

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start talking about do you like 
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As always, nonspoiler and then 
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into it right now. 
I'll go ahead and start us off 

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with the MDL synopsis, which 
reads in defiance of her 

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family's opposition song, now 
gets accepted to the music 

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school of the same university 
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business. 
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her classmates, she finds her 
new academic life daunting and 

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struggles to find strength. 
One day she hears June Young 

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playing Palma Hey, which I think
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It's in German and I looked up 
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just butchered it anyways, but. 
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Trauma Ray for the those who 
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Anyway, this song comforts her 
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Young is a talented pianist who 
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he was six. 
He's been friends with Jung 

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Kyung and the granddaughter of 
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and is in love with her. 
When he decides to keep his 

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distance from Jung Kyung, he 
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So this show is a pandemic show.
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2020. 
It is 16 episodes long and it's 

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directed by Iun Zong. 
He's also directed In The 

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Interest of Love, which just 
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It's a 2022-2023 show and that's
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This director hasn't done any 
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It is written by Riu Bori and 
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two writing credits. 
It's Do You Like Brahms and 

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Trolley from 2022 and then This 
stars Pakun Bin as Tesuna and 

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she is a child actress. 
She's still acting 30 + T V 

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credits. 
You might have seen her recently

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in the King's Affection and 
Extraordinary attorney Wu, which

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we have covered on the podcast. 
And then her costar is Kim Min 

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Jay, who plays Pak Jungyong. 
I will hereby call him here 

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after call him JYP for further 
remainder of the episode because

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that is way easier than saying 
Pak Jungyong. 

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Min Jay has had a really good 
few years, I've said this 

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before, but the pandemic has 
done really good things for his 

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career, just like it's done 
really good things for other 

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actors and actresses. 
He was in Delhi and Cocky Prince

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in 2021. 
Boom, The chosen Psychiatrist, 

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one, one and two both seasons, 
and then most recently in 

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Bloodhounds, which is a Netflix 
original from just this year, 

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2023. 
You might have seen him in other

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things like I I always think of 
him as the King, the young 

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version of the King in Guardian,
The Lonely and Great God. 

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And then he's also in Tempted, 
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remake, basically. 
And yeah, you might have seen 

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him in some other stuff. 
So that's not, that's not all 

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he's been in. 
How do you feel about Pakun Bin 

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and Kim in J as actors and 
actresses in the industry, and 

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where have you seen them before?
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actually it's the reason I 
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So I saw King's affection, loved
Pakun bin in this and in that 

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drama. 
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this one. 
This was my first barring the 

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goblin kind of mini cameo thing.
This was my first came in Jay 

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kind of drama as well and I was 
just blown away by how good they

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were. 
And also cuz partner been I've 

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I've seen her in so I kind of 
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but I hadn't I kind of it's on 
hold and she was but she's so 

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different right in that drama 
she is really. 

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I don't. 
Have you seen it? 

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Just, I haven't seen hot. 
So yeah. 

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So it's a sports drama. 
So that's kind of why I put it 

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on hold, because I was like, 
anyway, she plays like such a 

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dynamic character and she's 
really, like just really 

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energetic. 
And here she's just so 

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completely different, right? 
Really quiet, really 

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introverted. 
And in King's affection, like, I

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feel like she was, you know, 
really quite alpha, right? 

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Because she was, basically. 
Like. 

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Playing a king, the most of the 
drama. 

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And so this role was like a 
really different side to her. 

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So I was really like, wow, is 
this like the same actress, you 

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know, so, so intrigued. 
And then Kim and Jay I, I kind 

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of thought that he was this kind
of actor, like this role just 

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was. 
So it sat so well with him and 

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so easily on his shoulders. 
And then I watched Darlie and 

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Cocky Prince earlier this year 
and I was like, oh. 

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Like he is. 
Wow, he's an amazing actor, 

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right? 
Cuz he's just so completely 

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different. 
Like, you know, in that Have you

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seen Dolly and Cocky Prince? 
I haven't seen that one. 

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I need you need to watch it, 
Jess. 

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So, like Dolly and Cocky Prince.
Like he's the cocky Prince in 

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the titular. 
Like he's the titular Cocky 

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Prince. 
And he is just literally the 

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complete opposite of the 
character he plays in Brahms. 

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Like he's the closest we have, I
think, to a Himbo. 

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As a K drama lead like he is, 
yeah, he is really like 

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uncultured. 
He's brash, He's a cocky Prince,

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right So. 
And he's way less intelligent 

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than the female lead. 
And he's very pretty, obviously,

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and just really shallow and 
materialistic. 

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And he totally carries it off. 
And I was just, Oh my God, he's 

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just like chalk and cheese. 
Like what an amazing actor that 

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he could do both so 
authentically and make you love 

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him as well. 
Like you know you could you can.

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So he goes and gets. 
He's always dressed in light 

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heads. 
I know they were not supposed to

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be talking about Darling Cocky 
Princess podcast. 

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We like he's, he's in like top 
to toe in like designer gear. 

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And then we realized that he's 
actually also a bit tight. 

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So he doesn't buy his designer 
gear from a designer shop. 

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He's a table that buys them from
second hand Oh that's fine. 

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So funny good and but you still 
love him and that he he just has

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that connection with the 
audience I think and then like 

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in Brahms it's just completely 
different right. 

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He's so reserved. 
He's so well turned out. 

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He's so you know stoic and but 
he again makes you fall for him 

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and I just think they're really 
I I just think it's incredibly 

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hard. 
I I mean, I I would just say 

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like the genius of this drama, I
think. 

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Is that it's about two 
introverts, Yes. 

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Thank you. 
And they and they make you like 

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you draw. 
You're drawn to them and it's 

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amazing. 
And I'm still kind of a little 

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bit working out what the gene, 
the genius of how they did it, 

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right. 
Because it was, yeah, really 

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good. 
We're gonna circle back to that 

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because I think this is must be 
a genre or like a subgenre all 

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on its own with two characters 
that are introverts and how they

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fall in love and how they 
navigate their relationship and 

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any misunderstandings that 
happen in K Drama Land. 

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Because they're not like the 
typical leads to me. 

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And it's been a really long time
since I've seen other than 

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Summer Strike, which is 2/2 
introverts falling in love as 

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well and really sweet sweet 
romance. 

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But. 
The this two introverts, I feel 

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like it's gone by the wayside, 
largely. 

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And it's so nice when you come 
across one of these stories 

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where you're like, there's 
something really frustrating at 

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times with them, but also very 
comforting to say. 

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These two sort of fall into each
other and have to put themselves

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forward in different ways, and 
it's difficult to sell a romance

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where someone isn't naturally 
charismatic. 

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Yeah and and so quite like 
quiet. 

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Not quiet in the volume way but 
just quiet in people you know 

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and and obviously normally it's 
it's they'll pair an extravert 

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with an introvert or grumpy with
sunshine or yeah and opposites 

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and it was just so lovely to see
actually. 

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No, we're going to just find two
people that see, you know, their

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kind of person in this person 
and and you know, because they 

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open up in a way that they don't
with others. 

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And it was really beautiful to 
watch. 

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Yeah. 
So quickly we have our second 

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couple slash second female lead.
So we have Kim Sung Toll who 

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plays Hansong who is the cellist
slash BFF and he will be in 

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Hellbound 2 later this year. 
He was the 2nd male lead in our 

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beloved summer. 
He was the president that 

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Vincenzo seduced in Vincenzo in 
2021. 

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I just saw him in Sweet Home 
because we just reviewed Sweet 

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Home on the podcast and so he 
was in that. 

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Not to spoil anything about his 
character in that show, he will 

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definitely be back in Sweet Home
too, I'm presumably. 

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And then he's been in 
Arthrochronicles, The Wind Blows

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and Prison Playbook, as a matter
of fact, which I really enjoyed.

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Prison Playbook. 
And that's another episode that 

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you can scroll back in your 
podcast if you didn't listen to.

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He stars opposite Pak Chi Chi 
Hyun, who is the second female 

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lead. 
She plays John Kyung and she's 

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most recently been in Reborn 
Rich, which I still haven't seen

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yet, and love all play, which 
we've also covered on the 

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podcast. 
It's a sports show, Sports K 

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Drama. 
You me cells. 

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You might have seen her in you 
me cells if you saw her in You 

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me cells and you really hate her
because she was really sort of 

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annoying and mean and conniving 
a little bit in You me cells. 

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Yeah, a bunch of stuff that 
she's been in. 

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But how did you feel about these
two and where have you seen them

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before? 
So Kim Sancho, can I just now 

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use your your podcast to 
manifest like a nice romance for

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him? 
Do you not feel the same way? 

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I'm just like I like I watched 
him. 

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I loved him in prison playbook. 
I think that's my first drama 

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with him in it and then I 
watched this and but he's such a

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good actor. 
He's just such a good actor. 

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Like, really makes he really 
makes me feel his pain. 

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Like his pain at not being 
loved. 

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Specifically. 
And then our beloved summer 

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again the same let's just he's 
just like constantly yearning 

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like his face is just like And 
then finally I got to Vincenzo 

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and it's like I've got to say 
it's a little bit homophobic 

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that kind of whole like section 
but still like. 

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He just rocks up and he just 
absolutely delivers it, right? 

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So even in Nintendo he's like 
yearning and I'm just like, 

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please, could someone please 
give him a drama where he ends 

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up happy and not yearning? 
Like could someone just love him

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back? 
I. 

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Agree. 
I think he's way overdue for his

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own romance. 
Yeah, for his own leading role. 

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Yes, and he can act really well.
I I think everything that I've 

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seen him and I'm like, wow, he's
really good. 

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He's different in any in 
everything, and it might be just

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that he's choosing projects that
are varied and characters that 

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are different, even though they 
don't end up. 

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With the with the, you know 
person at the end. 

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But I agree, I think he's he's 
overdue to to get his own show. 

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Hopefully it'll happen soon for 
him. 

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And let's manifest that together
Will will collectively yearn for

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that and request that of the 
industry. 

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And then Poxy Hyun, Have you 
seen her before? 

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No. 
This is my first drama of hers, 

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actually, and I think she has a 
very difficult character. 

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Oh my. 
God, yes. 

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So I think she actually did 
quite well in a way because it's

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I think probably of the all four
characters hers was the more 

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complex one to play, so. 
Yeah. 

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And I went on my own little 
journey with her and her 

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character. 
So by the end of it, I was like,

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do you know what? 
Hats off to you. 

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You did actually. 
Really. 

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You really did this character 
justice, and it was not an easy 

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role. 
It was not an easy role. 

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And maybe because I came in with
my own biases of not liking her 

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from other shows, not not liking
her acting, I mean, like she's 

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consistently playing these 
characters that are, they're 

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testing you. 
Yeah, OK yeah. 

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And so when I saw her in the 
show, I was like, oh shit, here 

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she is again. 
I was like, Dang it. 

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And sure enough, her character 
is really difficult to like. 

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She's actually quite unlikable 
and she's prickly and she's 

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irritable and she's jealous, and
it's totally fine for characters

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to be flawed and you know what 
have you. 

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But in this show, I really was 
disliking her for the bulk of 

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it. 
It was only until the last 

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couple of episodes that I was 
like, OK, fine, yeah, fine, I 

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will allow it. 
You know what I'm saying? 

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I do. 
I had the same journey. 

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I had the same journey. 
Yeah, well I think I can guess 

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what your feelings are, but what
were your overall thoughts on Do

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you like Brahms? 
I was just so in awe of this 

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drama. 
Like it's really. 

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Like, it just really surprised 
me. 

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So when I started it, I just 
didn't. 

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I kind of started it on a whim. 
Like I said, I saw puck and bin 

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and I was like, oh, like they're
classical musicians. 

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I don't really know much about 
classical music. 

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So I was like, you know, I'm 
just going to start it and I 

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might end up like 2 episodes in 
and just not carrying it on, 

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which is kind of like the thing 
that I do. 

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But before I knew it, I was like
8 episodes in and I was so 

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invested. 
I just. 

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Was the writing was amazing that
acting was. 

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I just loved it. 
I think it's so underrated. 

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So that's the other thing 
because people don't talk enough

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about this drama. 
No they don't. 

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They really don't And and I was.
So that's partly also it because

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you kind of you know you like 
you hear stuff and like someone 

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says oh this is an amazing drama
you gotta go and see it or or 

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like it's a really famous you 
know like genre setting drama or

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whatever. 
But no one really talks about 

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this drama and. 
So I just thought maybe it was 

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just gonna be something that 
like was a bit of a palate 

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cleanser in between a couple of 
like big dramas that I was 

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watching. 
But no, it just and it stayed 

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with me. 
And This is why it was so lovely

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that you you invited me back 
because it was to talk about 

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this drama rather because it was
so, so lovely to relive it again

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actually and just kind of re 
enjoy it and rewatch some clips 

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and listen to the soundtrack 
again and just be reminded of 

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how what a great drama this is. 
And so. 

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It's good that you're doing this
so that other people who may not

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have seen it pick it up and well
might be intrigued by this 

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podcast and think I'm gonna give
this a go cuz it deserves. 

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It yeah. 
I can't remember how this ended 

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up on the docket for season 4, 
but I'm glad that it did. 

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I am really partial to musical 
dramas. 

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We've covered Dream High on the 
show. 

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I don't know if any other 
podcast has covered Dream High. 

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Maybe it's just cuz it's a bit 
of a torture to watch, but we 

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did the hard work. 
If you want to, if you want to, 

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no thoughts about that one, then
scroll back and listen to it. 

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But I have a soft spot for music
dramas and I've feel like I've 

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watched a fair share and this 
one is very good. 

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I think that I was more annoyed 
that it was such a slow burn 

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because, and I don't mind slow 
burns, like we've covered 

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something in the rain, which is 
pretty slow and some other shows

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as well, that would fall into 
that category of slow burn 

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romances. 
This one's real slow and I think

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it was more annoying that the 
the pace at which people were 

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speaking to each other was so 
slow. 

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And there were a lot of pregnant
pauses, which are rife in case 

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Rama land, where people just say
something and then nobody 

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responds back for a long minute 
and then they continue the 

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00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:12,890
conversation. 
And so I had to put this one on 

447
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:18,570
1.25 speed and that seemed to be
a really good sweet spot for how

448
00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:23,370
I wanted this paste. 
Literally that one change of 

449
00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:27,490
making it 1.25 speed made all 
the difference. 

450
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:30,570
I actually thought on a couple 
instances as I was watching the 

451
00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:32,650
last few episodes, because I 
didn't do this for the whole 

452
00:25:32,650 --> 00:25:34,970
show, I just did it for like the
last few episodes. 

453
00:25:35,670 --> 00:25:39,830
I thought that the setting had 
like somehow come undone and it 

454
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:42,310
was still. 
It was just playing on regular 

455
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:46,830
speed because it was so 
believable. 

456
00:25:46,910 --> 00:25:50,310
I was like they must be talking 
really fucking slow for me to 

457
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:54,630
think that this is actually the 
regular speed and the thing 

458
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:57,150
messed up like the plugin messed
up. 

459
00:25:57,910 --> 00:26:00,690
So. 
Yeah, it's so funny because I 

460
00:26:00,690 --> 00:26:04,250
didn't realize till I read what 
you'd written that the director 

461
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:07,770
of this had directed Interest of
love. 

462
00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:09,250
Interest of love. 
Yes. 

463
00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:10,810
Did you watch that from earlier 
this year? 

464
00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:15,250
Right. 
So if you find Brahms pregnant, 

465
00:26:15,250 --> 00:26:19,230
Paul slow, you would. 
You will really struggle with 

466
00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:19,710
it. 
Just. 

467
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:23,550
I just thought it was so in I 
was like, ah, do you know when 

468
00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:25,670
you find out directors directed 
two things and you're like, 

469
00:26:26,150 --> 00:26:28,310
yeah, that makes sense, That 
totally makes sense. 

470
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:32,550
Yeah. 
But I think, yeah, that, I mean,

471
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:34,310
I think it's a real Marmite 
drama. 

472
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:37,070
I think people who are watching 
it with me kind of on socials at

473
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:40,470
the time were just like, Oh my 
God, this is how I hate this. 

474
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:42,510
And then there were other people
like, Oh my God, this is 

475
00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:43,870
brilliant. 
So. 

476
00:26:44,790 --> 00:26:48,810
Yeah, but that was pretty much 
my only complaint was this sort 

477
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:55,250
of like her taking their sweet 
time saying things and I don't. 

478
00:26:55,290 --> 00:26:59,010
I love the content of what 
they're saying, and I love the 

479
00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:01,850
way that it's scripted. 
That's all great. 

480
00:27:01,850 --> 00:27:04,610
I love that, and I generally 
love a slow burn. 

481
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:08,450
Apparently the show in my mind 
should have been on 1.25 speed. 

482
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:09,970
Like that's the should. 
Be the regular speed. 

483
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,160
Yeah, um, So I'm gonna, I'm 
gonna defend that a little bit, 

484
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840
right? 
Because I for me, I felt like, 

485
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,520
so I'm not, I don't classify 
myself as a full introvert and 

486
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,120
something a podcast, so I can't 
be that introverted. 

487
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,280
But I think there's an element, 
there's an element of like 

488
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,280
introverts that have to work out
what they're saying in their 

489
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,870
head. 
Like, I feel like if you're an 

490
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:40,870
introvert that struggles to, and
this is not obviously not me or 

491
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:45,230
you struggles to kind of put our
thoughts into words and actually

492
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:47,750
marvel at the way that some 
people just go, right. 

493
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:50,310
Well, this is what I think. 
And Pam, you know, it's like I'm

494
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:53,350
gonna lay out here with this 
point and you know, and I have 

495
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:55,550
people in my life that that say 
this to me. 

496
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:58,700
Like I just can't. 
Talk like the way you do. 

497
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:01,140
Like, I just don't. 
My brain doesn't work that fast.

498
00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:03,020
My mouth doesn't work that fast,
and I can't. 

499
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:05,660
Like, I have to work out what 
I'm saying in my head before I 

500
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:08,620
can say it out loud. 
And I feel like if you're that 

501
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:11,660
kind of person, this drama will 
speak to you because there's 

502
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,900
these two people and they're 
grappling with, like, big 

503
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:15,980
emotions, right? 
There's a lot of stuff 

504
00:28:15,980 --> 00:28:18,780
happening. 
So I think it was for me very 

505
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:23,620
real that it took them so long 
to respond to each other and to,

506
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,900
as you say, with pregnant pauses
and things because. 

507
00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:30,010
They're just people that are 
kind of still working things out

508
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:34,170
and also not great at expressing
themselves and also struggling 

509
00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:37,450
to kind of put it into words. 
And I think that they they. 

510
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:41,130
And that's partly why I loved it
so much, because it was truly 2 

511
00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:43,650
introverts. 
Falling for each other. 

512
00:28:43,650 --> 00:28:47,010
It wasn't like I'm just going to
kind of sketch introverted 

513
00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:50,050
people, but I'm still going to 
make them drama people and they 

514
00:28:50,050 --> 00:28:53,450
kind of like be, you know, like 
Dawson's Creek level of like, 

515
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:56,330
you know, like unlike that I 
could speak about my feelings in

516
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:59,410
a really like intelligent way 
even though I'm still a teenager

517
00:28:59,410 --> 00:29:02,010
type thing. 
So it was really like believable

518
00:29:02,010 --> 00:29:04,650
for me I think. 
And it added for me added to 

519
00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:07,490
that kind of authenticity of 
like these two are truly like, 

520
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:10,290
you know, these characters, 
these introverted characters, 

521
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,720
You make a fine point and I 
agree with you. 

522
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,560
And the just the other day I was
on the phone with my mom and I 

523
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,280
told her that I was really tired
because I was interacting with 

524
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,000
more people. 
I I just switched jobs recently 

525
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,280
and I'm spending my days in the 
office now and I've been working

526
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,480
from home for the past few 
years. 

527
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,080
And I told her at the end of the
day, I'm so tired because I'm 

528
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,400
talking to people and 
interacting with people and I 

529
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,680
have to be on all day long. 
And that's so different than how

530
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400
I was spending my time during 
the pandemic and working from 

531
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,480
home even even more recently. 
And I told her I'm an introvert 

532
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,360
and this is taking a lot out of 
me. 

533
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,840
Yeah, yeah. 
And she was like, you're not an 

534
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,960
introvert. 
And she like, fought me on it. 

535
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,720
And I was like, I swear to God, 
if I am in a social situation, I

536
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,400
it takes a lot of effort for me.
And when I leave, I'm drained. 

537
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,740
Yeah, and I love to curl up and 
I'm a such a homebody. 

538
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:14,620
I want to be home and you know, 
that sort of thing. 

539
00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:18,660
And maybe I'm way more of an 
introverted, I'm sorry 

540
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:22,060
extroverted introvert now than I
was when I was in my younger 

541
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:23,460
years. 
Because in my younger years I 

542
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:27,260
feel like I would have full on 
conversations in my head and I 

543
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:31,820
was a much. 
I feel like over the years I 

544
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:34,980
come to understand that there's 
people that like to just listen,

545
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:42,210
you know, even before even 
responding, let alone the 

546
00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:45,170
response that comes after. 
I just mean, like people like to

547
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:49,290
wait and listen, and they're not
quick to insert their own 

548
00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:53,570
thoughts or quick to cut people 
off or something like that. 

549
00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:59,490
And that is something that a lot
of people don't don't 

550
00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:01,290
understand. 
Like it doesn't compute that. 

551
00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:05,860
Like, I should just stop 
talking, you know? 

552
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:10,940
And absolutely, I agree with 
your take that it was very 

553
00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:15,740
authentic to have these two 
people be introverts and true 

554
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:19,980
introverts and not like, they 
call them introverts, but 

555
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:27,170
they're not really introverts. 
But I think as an audience 

556
00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:31,010
member, I was really pressed 
about the way that they were 

557
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:36,330
talking. 
I'm so glacial pace in some 

558
00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:41,250
conversations and I and then 
it's all important to me. 

559
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:45,810
I was like, this isn't even like
a nothing conversation that 

560
00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:48,730
these people are having. 
Every conversation to me was 

561
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:50,650
important. 
Every interaction meant 

562
00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:53,290
something. 
And so I was like, I can't skip 

563
00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:56,390
this. 
So then I was like, you know, I 

564
00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:59,790
was like, we have to, let's go 
like let's move a little. 

565
00:31:59,790 --> 00:32:01,710
So that's where the 1.25 came 
from. 

566
00:32:01,790 --> 00:32:05,950
It is not a blight on the show. 
It might be just a blight on me.

567
00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:12,750
So I I think you mentioned 
earlier how it was very not 

568
00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:17,510
slow, but they were restrained 
basically. 

569
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:23,810
And I love the themes of the 
show and how it's studied music 

570
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:29,970
and dreams and the really inside
baseball take on the classic 

571
00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:31,890
classical music. 
Industry, yeah. 

572
00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:34,730
Yeah. 
Yeah, characters and 

573
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:38,570
relationships. 
And there were some other 

574
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:43,130
another show that it reminded me
of, which was Spring Waltz. 

575
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:44,610
I don't know if you've watched 
that show. 

576
00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:51,450
It's with Han he or two. 
I want to say it's 2007. 

577
00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:53,920
Eight around. 
There it was. 

578
00:32:53,920 --> 00:33:01,160
It was late 2000s and she falls 
in love with a very talented 

579
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,360
concert pianist. 
And even though that's a 

580
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,320
melodrama, I don't know if I 
would classify do you like 

581
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Brahms as a melodrama? 
Maybe some episodes, but not the

582
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,420
whole thing. 
And that show felt had the 

583
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:22,860
vibes, like the relationship 
seemed to have the same sort of 

584
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:29,060
vibes where, you know, you had 
like very thinking, feeling 

585
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:34,180
people who just loved each other
and appreciated music. 

586
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:38,300
And there was drama with the 
music and you know, all these 

587
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,980
things wrapped in a neat bow of 
a Music K drama. 

588
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:47,460
So I don't know if you've have 
you watched a lot of music K 

589
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:50,730
dramas? 
Like, not really, I don't think.

590
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:52,930
Yeah. 
Have there been. 

591
00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:55,530
I definitely have watched Dream 
High, which you just mentioned. 

592
00:33:55,610 --> 00:34:00,410
Well, yeah. 
And maybe we'll give that a 

593
00:34:00,410 --> 00:34:03,090
path. 
No, I can't really think of any 

594
00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:05,370
of this that that I have 
watched, actually. 

595
00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:11,210
But yeah, there's quite a few, 
but I think they focus on bands 

596
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:15,010
a lot of the time, right? 
The kpop industry, yeah. 

597
00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:20,350
But the classical music you've 
got like spring waltz we have 5 

598
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:25,909
fingers, which is a like 30 
episode K drama that I didn't 

599
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:27,989
even finish watching. 
I dropped it because I was like 

600
00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:34,070
this is too long, but it's stars
D Tang Wook. 

601
00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:39,750
Oh, OK, yeah, yeah. 
And this other guy, He was just 

602
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:43,270
in GD son. 
What's that actor's name? 

603
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:47,870
No, I don't know. 
Anyway, those two are in like a 

604
00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:45,590
piano rivalry, right? 
It's totally. 

605
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:52,550
Okay. 
Yeah, and there's this. 

606
00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:58,750
Special piano in their house 
that they don't know how it 

607
00:34:58,750 --> 00:35:02,150
makes such a beautiful sound 
and. 

608
00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:06,680
There's a piano CEO company in 
the mix like it's I was it was 

609
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,520
like a lot of piano, which what,
5 fingers I guess. 

610
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

611
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,160
And then Beethoven virus. 
Oh, oh, go ahead. 

612
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560
No, you said G. 
Chal and I just completely have 

613
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,960
blanked out because it's a 
drummer. 

614
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,120
I dropped the sound of magic. 
Ah, sound of magic. 

615
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,840
So I have to go into why? 
You dropped it. 

616
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,960
Yeah, I have seen. 
Another So yeah, that's the only

617
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,480
other music drama that I've 
seen. 

618
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,570
So yeah. 
OK, we got. 

619
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:36,530
Beethoven virus. 
We got heartstrings, which this 

620
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:40,410
also reminded me of heartstrings
because in heartstrings, they're

621
00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:43,930
in school, in music school. 
And it's. 

622
00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:49,770
One of the members of CN Blue 
with Oh my God, the girl from 

623
00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:55,570
Airs, Pakshinay. 
Is and she plays the kayakum, 

624
00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:59,570
which is almost like a it looks 
like a Korean version of a 

625
00:35:59,570 --> 00:36:03,490
zither. 
And she plays so she's like in 

626
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:09,010
the traditional instruments, 
like section of the music, not 

627
00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:14,250
club of the music school. 
And then he is playing guitar 

628
00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:17,370
and so he's in like the modern 
instrument part of the school. 

629
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:22,250
And so there's like a rivalry 
between the traditional Korean 

630
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:27,170
instrument people and then the 
modern guitar and bass and all 

631
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:29,410
this stuff. 
And it's really cute. 

632
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,000
So I enjoyed Heartstrings back 
in the day. 

633
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,520
A lot more music dramas than 
that, but those ones sort of 

634
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,320
relate specifically to me, to 
this drama, and then I also. 

635
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Mentioned the comp summer strike
already. 

636
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,440
I'm not sure I I have an idea in
my head, but have have you ever 

637
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,160
played or do you play an 
instrument? 

638
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,200
I used to play? 
The piano. 

639
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:57,930
Oh yeah I like I mean not to 
very high up maybe this is what 

640
00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:01,490
I found interesting right. 
So I mean this is, this is not a

641
00:37:01,490 --> 00:37:03,490
spoiler obviously. 
So puck and bins character from 

642
00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:07,330
the start, we know that actually
she has had to. 

643
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:12,690
Kind of overcome her, her 
family's disapproval that she is

644
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:15,330
playing the violin, right and 
she's trying to try and make a 

645
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:16,890
career out of playing the 
violin. 

646
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:20,130
And I found it quite interesting
for men, kind of an Asian 

647
00:37:20,170 --> 00:37:24,730
background, that so many of us 
are encouraged to take piano 

648
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:27,970
lessons, classical music, 
instruments, as an 

649
00:37:27,970 --> 00:37:32,130
extracurricular thing in order 
for us to have it on our CV so 

650
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:34,490
that we can then qualify and go 
through university. 

651
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:37,210
Like that's a whole like. 
That's a whole thing, whether 

652
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:40,530
you're an immigrant Chinese 
person or you're living in 

653
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:42,410
China, right? 
That is just a thing that your 

654
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:45,930
parents encourage you to do. 
And there's like generations and

655
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,090
generations of people kind of 
playing in research. 

656
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:50,810
But unless. 
You're gonna? 

657
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:55,130
Be a concert pianist, right? 
No Asian parent wants you to 

658
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:57,370
actually then try to make a 
career out of it, right? 

659
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:59,850
They're just like, no, you're 
gonna. 

660
00:37:59,850 --> 00:38:02,670
Play it. 
Competently to put it on your 

661
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:06,750
CV, but like God forbid you go 
and try and make a career out of

662
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:08,670
it, right. 
Because we want you to go and 

663
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:11,430
like I don't know be a lawyer or
a doctor or like you know an 

664
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:12,870
account or whatever. 
I we're not. 

665
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:15,750
We don't want you to choose 
something as difficult like her 

666
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:16,990
parents say it in the drama 
right? 

667
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:21,550
Like you know, like it doesn't 
pay and it's really kind of it's

668
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:24,470
not seen as a high profile job 
and obviously she had a great 

669
00:38:25,350 --> 00:38:28,860
degree before in business and. 
And I just found it like an 

670
00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:33,900
interesting commentary on, like,
Asian Society of how they view, 

671
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:38,340
how they push their children to 
do all this extracurricular 

672
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:42,900
music lessons but then say, 
well, no, but no. 

673
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:47,100
Creative, like creative arts is 
not not a career option like we 

674
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,300
want you to be, you know? 
Yeah. 

675
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,380
I thought it was an interesting 
take, actually. 

676
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:56,820
Yeah, I I'm Hispanic. 
If you don't know, I'm Hispanic 

677
00:38:57,470 --> 00:39:02,150
and I I didn't. 
Grow up playing instruments. 

678
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:06,630
But I really wanted to learn how
to play the piano, so I took 

679
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:09,230
started taking piano lessons 
late in life. 

680
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:12,270
I started taking them when I was
already in high school, 9th 

681
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:18,830
grade, and I think I only took 
it for like a year or two and I 

682
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:22,670
went to miss Hannah Lisa's 
house, which. 

683
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:26,110
She lived in a predominantly 
Jewish community. 

684
00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:28,550
She was, I think she was a 
Holocaust survivor from Namaste.

685
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:33,150
And she would just do piano 
lessons out of her, out of her 

686
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:37,190
little like condo. 
And she was so sweet. 

687
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:41,270
And I remember I went to my 
first lesson with her and or 

688
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:43,470
like consultation, I guess 
because it wasn't a lesson yet. 

689
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:46,350
It was just like, you know, 
getting to know the the teacher 

690
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:50,270
and you know, what is the, 
what's the timeline here when 

691
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:54,200
you're available? 
And she looked at my hands and 

692
00:39:54,200 --> 00:40:00,480
she goes, You have very small 
hands, but I know a lot of great

693
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,920
pianists who have small hands. 
And she was so sweet, she was. 

694
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,280
Like, you can make it work. 
She basically was like, it's 

695
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,640
okay. 
And. 

696
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,080
I. 
Knew nothing. 

697
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,640
I didn't know how to read music 
or anything, so I was starting 

698
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,790
from Ground Zero. 
And it was like pulling teeth. 

699
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:20,190
It was very difficult. 
And then I had to find the time 

700
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:23,150
to practice It was this whole 
thing, like it was this whole 

701
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:26,630
thing to fit into my life. 
I quit taking lessons with Miss 

702
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:29,830
Hen and Lisa because I was 
failing algebra. 

703
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:33,550
My parents were like, it's 
either you. 

704
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:36,150
Practice or you passed your 
algebra class. 

705
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:39,590
It turns out that I'm actually 
really good at, or was really 

706
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:41,510
good at math because I went 
into. 

707
00:40:42,430 --> 00:40:45,350
Some college courses and was 
taking like higher math and I 

708
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:47,230
had. 
I'm really proud of this fact. 

709
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:51,110
I had a math professor come and 
say you should get a math. 

710
00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:52,910
Minor. 
All you need is like these two 

711
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:55,590
classes, these two three 
classes, and she mentioned the 

712
00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:57,630
name of the class, names of the 
class, and I was like, that 

713
00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:59,990
sounds terrifying. 
I'm not taking those classes and

714
00:40:59,990 --> 00:41:03,790
getting math minor. 
Come on, so get real. 

715
00:41:03,790 --> 00:41:07,390
So it never happened. 
I have lost all of my math 

716
00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:12,440
mathematics skills since. 
So it was just the teacher, the 

717
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,800
algebra teacher that I had 
during that tumultuous time that

718
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680
I was failing that class. 
I blame that teacher because I 

719
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,520
was good at math. 
Anyway, that's a tangent. 

720
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,640
But I I stopped taking Miss 
Hannah Lisa's classes and I had 

721
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,160
some really nice memories with 
her because she used to use a 

722
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000
metronome on her on the piano to
keep help me keep time. 

723
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,240
But then when she didn't use the
metronome, she would count. 

724
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:39,670
And here's what I thought she 
would was about to keel over and

725
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:41,870
die on me during the the 
lessons. 

726
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:42,990
Because here's what she would 
do. 

727
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:45,950
I can't believe I'm going to 
imitate. 

728
00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:51,510
OK, here we go. 
She would go like this 1231. 

729
00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:58,510
2312 Like I don't. 
Know if she just couldn't take a

730
00:41:58,510 --> 00:42:03,470
breath in between the counting, 
it would scare me half to death 

731
00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:09,640
every time she would inhale. 
When she was saying the number 

732
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
and it was, it was a it. 
Was really frightening as a 

733
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,400
child's, as a high school 
person, I was, I would like look

734
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
at her like, Oh my God. 
Anyway, that's Miss Hannah, 

735
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,440
Lisa. 
And then when I was in later in 

736
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,080
high school, we had to choose 
our electives. 

737
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,200
I chose three random electives. 
None of the electives that I 

738
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,360
chose were what was given to me.
I got guitar one. 

739
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:39,710
With Mr. Eves in high school, 
this was a really highly coveted

740
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:42,630
class position. 
I don't know how it was a God 

741
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:45,710
thing because I landed in that 
class and I loved it. 

742
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:49,430
I remember the first day, like 
20 kids coming in at different 

743
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:52,990
points of the of the one class 
that I have, trying to get him 

744
00:42:52,990 --> 00:42:57,550
to sign like the transfer so 
that they could enter his class 

745
00:42:57,550 --> 00:42:59,110
and he's like, I'm maxed out. 
I can't. 

746
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:04,590
He was such a good teacher and I
loved playing guitar. 

747
00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:09,270
I played guitar for many many 
years after that and. 

748
00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:16,030
I asked my mom today why she 
never signed me up or my sister 

749
00:43:16,070 --> 00:43:21,990
up for a classical music 
instrument like violin, piano, 

750
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:23,950
something. 
Why she never signed us up for 

751
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:26,070
ballet or gymnastics or 
something. 

752
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:28,260
When? 
Those are things that kids sign 

753
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:34,660
up for when they're really 
little, like 5678, and she goes.

754
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:37,980
Well, I took ballet when I was 
really little. 

755
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:42,220
My mom signed me up and I was 
like, yeah, and she goes, but 

756
00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:46,220
she forced me to do it and I 
didn't have any interest in 

757
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:50,700
doing ballet. 
So I figured if you didn't have 

758
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,100
any interest in it, I'm not 
going to force you to do it. 

759
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:59,000
Like, just matter of Factly And 
I was like, OK, so I could have 

760
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,760
been a concert. 
Pianist and missing Lisa could 

761
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,240
have been famous for being my 
teacher. 

762
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:05,960
I'm just kidding. 
I'm just kidding. 

763
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,560
But that is my experience with 
playing instruments and I do not

764
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,160
play any instruments anymore. 
Yeah, yeah. 

765
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,680
So this show. 
Felt very like her little 

766
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880
journey going through playing 
violin and I was like. 

767
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:25,570
I I felt it deep in my bones, 
yeah. 

768
00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:27,930
Well, I mean. 
I'm super. 

769
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:30,810
Impressed because they both 
learnt their instruments, right?

770
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:34,730
So I think part and bin could 
play violin and then she kind of

771
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:36,330
re picked it back up. 
Yeah. 

772
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:39,210
And then Kim and Jay like 
actually learnt to play the 

773
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:40,570
piano. 
Like, I'm just so impressed. 

774
00:44:40,570 --> 00:44:43,890
He had like a month. 
He said he learned in a month. 

775
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:47,170
She learned in a month. 
How you can't learn. 

776
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:50,090
In a month but. 
Anyway, like, still, I'm 

777
00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:51,980
impressed. 
Yeah, it's really impressive. 

778
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,940
That they played their own 
instruments in the show and that

779
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:55,900
they looked pretty good. 
Really believable. 

780
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:59,900
I'm sure that. 
I mean, if I was someone on the 

781
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:03,420
production and I had a couple of
actors doing their best, had 

782
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:08,940
minimal time to prepare to look 
like professional, a 

783
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:12,180
professional violinist or a 
professional concert pianist, I 

784
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:16,620
would dub them with a real 
person who can look at the 

785
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:19,500
footage and actually play 
something that might be. 

786
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,120
A little closer to the caliber 
that they need, yeah, but that's

787
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,080
neither here nor there. 
I'm not taking away from the 

788
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,240
fact that they actually learned 
how to play piano and violin for

789
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:42,440
this show. 
I I think that this drama is old

790
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,120
school, and it's really hard to 
explain how it's old school 

791
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,280
other than like I already 
pointed to Spring waltz, which 

792
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,260
is an older K drama. 
But I think love rain also. 

793
00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:59,140
Feels this way where you have 
two really timid and sensitive 

794
00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:04,300
leading a leading couple and 
they're very introspective and 

795
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:10,060
feeling and I feel like maybe do
you like Brahms has melodrama 

796
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:15,620
roots because K dramas of 
yesteryear in the melodrama 

797
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:18,940
genre are. 
Like this? 

798
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,720
They feel like this couple where
it's like everything is a big 

799
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,600
deal and all of these 
conversations are important and 

800
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,200
you don't have all of this like 
fluff, so to speak, like empty 

801
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,480
episodes because everything is 
interconnected. 

802
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,240
But anyway, that's the last 
thing they'll say about that. 

803
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,280
Was there anything that really 
surprised you about the way that

804
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,880
they portrayed music and the way
that they portrayed? 

805
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:53,470
The music school and Chamber 
Orchestra and stuff. 

806
00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:55,990
No, I. 
Found it. 

807
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:58,510
Well, like I said, I don't know 
much about the classical music 

808
00:46:58,510 --> 00:47:00,190
world. 
So I found it like, really 

809
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:02,910
interesting. 
But I actually really enjoyed 

810
00:47:02,910 --> 00:47:04,630
that. 
They made it so relatable 

811
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:08,310
because it's still like a 
microcosm of, like, Korean 

812
00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:10,470
society within the music world, 
right? 

813
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:16,150
So you know, Kim and Jay is like
the superstar of the world. 

814
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:20,540
But he's very lonely at the top,
you know, like in that kind of 

815
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:22,820
like I've just wrapped King the 
land, right. 

816
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:27,500
So we're chebo drama and you 
know, like all like, you know, 

817
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,780
he's going through his emotions,
but he's alone because he's at 

818
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:34,100
the top of the tree and then she
is like, you know, right at the 

819
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:37,580
bottom of the tree, right. 
So she is not only, you know, 

820
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:40,620
still the student violinist, but
she's also not a very talented 

821
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:43,900
one and doesn't, you know, isn't
isn't getting the spots that she

822
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:48,040
deserves and things. 
And then you've got some really 

823
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,160
awful professors, people that 
are really super selfish. 

824
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,000
So it felt really like they'd 
put in like all our very 

825
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,600
familiar OK drama tropes but 
within this classical music 

826
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,320
world, which I I, you know, I 
really enjoyed. 

827
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,720
And then I think there's another
observation I had, but I think 

828
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,040
it might be a bit spoilery. 
So we could leave that till till

829
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,600
the till the end. 
But I I like that they kind of 

830
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,280
flipped the trope a little bit 
with the classical music, so. 

831
00:48:14,830 --> 00:48:17,790
Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, OK. 

832
00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:20,910
So I think we're at that point. 
I think 1 two things. 

833
00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:24,390
OST, because you mentioned that 
you were listening to it. 

834
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:27,030
Yeah, I love the. 
Ost loved it. 

835
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:30,710
OK, you didn't like it. 
No, I was fine. 

836
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:32,590
I. 
Just I think. 

837
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:35,350
I only. 
Comment on Osts when I get an 

838
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:39,270
earworm and I start and I like 
add it to all my playlists and I

839
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:44,050
find it's really repeatable. 
Yeah, but otherwise I'm like, 

840
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:45,290
oh, that's. 
That was pleasant. 

841
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:48,330
That was nice. 
Nothing terrible. 

842
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:50,370
About it, it was. 
Wonderful in the moment, 

843
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:53,770
Absolutely. 
But if you played it to me in a 

844
00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:56,570
mix with other K drama songs, 
would I be able to be like? 

845
00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:59,670
That's Do you like Brahms? 
Yeah, yeah. 

846
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:01,710
I see what you mean. 
Yeah. 

847
00:49:02,070 --> 00:49:03,830
No. 
There's one gummy track that I 

848
00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:05,990
really liked that I thought was 
really good. 

849
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:07,790
So I mean, it's like still been 
on. 

850
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:11,670
So this drama, I watched it a 
while ago now, and the OSD 

851
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:14,750
tracks are still on my kind of 
like I have a rolling playlist 

852
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:18,790
and then I get sick of them and 
then I have to shove them off 

853
00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:22,270
because I can't hear them again.
Whereas the Brahms ones are 

854
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:24,350
still on there. 
Like, I'm still listening to 

855
00:49:24,350 --> 00:49:25,630
them. 
Ohh, that's so. 

856
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:28,740
Nice. 
Sorry, it's a sign. 

857
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:31,900
Of longevity, It's good. 
Yeah, it is a good. 

858
00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:35,060
All right, the second thing is 
what would you rate the show out

859
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:38,540
of five Sojo bottles? 
5 being amazing, 0 being 

860
00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:41,500
terrible? 
So I. 

861
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:44,820
Kind of. 
Like at the time I gave this A9.

862
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:49,330
Actually, so I'd score out of 
10, so I guess the equipment 

863
00:49:49,330 --> 00:49:51,770
would be 4. 
But like when I was revisiting a

864
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:54,530
lot of this, I mean, maybe I've 
mellowed in my like, K drama 

865
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:56,010
critique, but I was thinking 
that I can't. 

866
00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:59,250
I'd actually didn't, you know, 
there wasn't a lot that I 

867
00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:02,650
disliked about it. 
So but yeah, so probably 4-4, 

868
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:06,930
but but OK, yeah, but not 
because there's like major stuff

869
00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:09,450
that I thought this is not so 
great or they didn't handle this

870
00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:10,810
well. 
So I'm knocking a point off 

871
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:14,770
just, you know, yeah. 
So less that the the there's 

872
00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:17,330
something wrong with it. 
Just that it's like it's not 

873
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:19,970
knocking out the park. 
Amazing, yeah. 

874
00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:24,050
OK, so I think. 
I'll rate it either 3.5 or 4. 

875
00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:26,810
I'm leaning towards 4. 
There's some things in the later

876
00:50:26,810 --> 00:50:31,250
episodes that we'll we'll talk 
about in the spoiler section why

877
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:35,570
that really bothered me, but 
other than that I think it's 

878
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:38,050
really pleasant. 
It's a really easy watch for the

879
00:50:38,050 --> 00:50:41,090
most part, and you should 
definitely give it a try if you 

880
00:50:41,090 --> 00:50:43,880
haven't already. 
I think do you like Brahms? 

881
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:45,680
So I said. 
Is probably one of the more 

882
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,720
underrated shows for sure, yeah.
And I. 

883
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,240
At the top, I'm a romance fan, 
and the romance delivers for me 

884
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,480
on this, you know, like, my 
problems with this drama are not

885
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,240
the romance to say for me. 
And I think there were so many 

886
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:04,280
moments that just made me really
feel things, and I think the 

887
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,120
actors did just such a good job 
of portraying their emotions. 

888
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,400
And that they're like eyes was 
just often brimming with 

889
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,400
emotions so they could have 
whole scenes, as she said, full 

890
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,160
of pregnant pauses. 
That really made me feel stuff 

891
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,400
because they were doing so much 
of their acting through emoting 

892
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,320
and through their body language 
and through the way their eyes 

893
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,680
moved or the way they looked and
then looked down. 

894
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,880
And I just thought it was, yeah,
it was really great. 

895
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,620
I agree. 
All right, so with that being 

896
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:40,180
said, we're going to get into 
the spoiler section. 

897
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:44,420
So if you don't care about 
spoilers, we're going to, we're 

898
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:46,780
going to keep going and you're 
going to come with us on this 

899
00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:49,140
journey. 
We'll be back right after this. 

900
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:57,900
You want to come in? 
All right. 

901
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,660
We're on the other side of. 
Spoilers and I think we want to 

902
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:05,030
start where you left off. 
You said you had something that 

903
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:06,910
you want to say that was a 
little spoilery, and so we're 

904
00:52:06,910 --> 00:52:09,750
gonna start there, right? 
I didn't mean to. 

905
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:11,470
Cliffhanger it, but like it's 
good. 

906
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:14,790
So what I really appreciated 
because we were talking about 

907
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:17,150
classical music and I've, you 
know, we talked about how before

908
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:19,590
like a lot of people have this 
on their CV and they try. 

909
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:23,070
But I think so many Asian 
dramas, and I think specifically

910
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:25,870
Korean ones, have this thing of 
showing people, if you just work

911
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:29,390
really hard, you study really 
hard, you put your hours in, you

912
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:31,910
will become successful and this 
drama. 

913
00:52:32,590 --> 00:52:36,510
Specifically says no, actually, 
that might not work for you. 

914
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:41,350
You could play the violin and be
so diligent and be practicing 

915
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:46,230
all the time and have calluses 
on all of your fingers, but it 

916
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:49,430
just might not be there for you 
because that elusive thing 

917
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:53,150
called talent, or the thing that
elevates a normal pianist or a 

918
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:57,710
normal violence to to be some 
concert grade one is like. 

919
00:52:58,110 --> 00:53:02,310
A specific magical thing that 
you can't try 10,000 hours and 

920
00:53:02,310 --> 00:53:05,550
achieve. 
And I really loved that they 

921
00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:09,750
made that part of this drummer. 
Like, I loved that her arc was 

922
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:13,510
that she put the violin away. 
Like this thing that was like 

923
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:16,590
she had dropped everything. 
Stopped her business career, 

924
00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:20,750
restarted school, endured, like 
her classmates kind of basically

925
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:23,550
looking down on her and her 
being an outcast. 

926
00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:26,710
And because she was older than 
them and all the rest of it, and

927
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:28,560
it was still not. 
Good enough. 

928
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Not enough. 
And that's. 

929
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,000
Just so. 
Antiphical to K drummers, So I 

930
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,600
really love that. 
I love that. 

931
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,360
That was her arc, and I think so
too. 

932
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,880
I think it's almost on par with 
being as compelling. 

933
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,360
As their romance, yeah, is her 
journey. 

934
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,880
And her heartbreak with. 
The. 

935
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:57,570
Deep love that she has. 
For playing the violin and and 

936
00:53:57,570 --> 00:54:00,890
the violin in general. 
And that's something that the 

937
00:54:00,890 --> 00:54:06,090
show also juxtaposes against 
other students and against JYP, 

938
00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:11,250
her her. 
Her lover is that other students

939
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:16,570
who have that quality, that 
talent, that drive, hate their 

940
00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:19,970
instrument. 
And JYP multiple occasions was 

941
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:22,250
like I don't enjoy playing the 
piano. 

942
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:27,460
And the. 
People that want it the most 

943
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:33,660
don't have what it takes. 
And that is a brutal reality. 

944
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:39,420
And I remember, like, going 
through the whole piano and 

945
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:42,500
starting late and Miss 
Handelisa, like being like, oh, 

946
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:45,660
you're it's late. 
You know, because she had kids 

947
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:49,020
that were coming in there, like 
really little and play very 

948
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:51,660
well. 
I have this stupid story that I 

949
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:53,500
have to tell. 
I'd be remiss if I didn't tell 

950
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,610
it. 
And so the piano that I had at 

951
00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:59,210
home that I would practice on 
was like an electric piano, but 

952
00:54:59,210 --> 00:55:03,050
it had a bunch of settings and 
you could play some songs like 

953
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:06,210
the piano would like light up 
and. 

954
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:08,050
It would tell you like. 
What's a press? 

955
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:11,730
But the piano itself would play 
the song on its speakers, right?

956
00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:14,810
Whatever piano song and my 
sister. 

957
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:17,890
Had a friend over my sister's 3 
1/2 years younger than I am, and

958
00:55:17,890 --> 00:55:21,610
so her friend presumably was 
also young, right? 

959
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:23,650
Maybe 3-4 years younger than I 
am. 

960
00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:27,390
She had a friend come over and 
all of a sudden I hear the piano

961
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:30,710
going like they had pressed some
buttons and the piano was 

962
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:35,150
playing some piano song and I 
walk over and I was like turn 

963
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:36,110
off. 
The piano. 

964
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:39,550
I walk over. 
Her little friend is playing the

965
00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:43,910
piano, and it was so good. 
I thought the piano was playing 

966
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:46,270
it itself. 
Yeah, like I thought it was a. 

967
00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:48,590
Track that. 
Came with the the keyboard. 

968
00:55:49,290 --> 00:55:51,450
And I was shocked. 
She had the way her little 

969
00:55:51,450 --> 00:55:53,010
fingers were flying over the 
keys. 

970
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:56,450
I was stunned. 
Yeah, stunned. 

971
00:55:56,650 --> 00:56:00,370
And. 
I had not for anything, but the 

972
00:56:00,370 --> 00:56:03,930
little friend was Asian, but I 
was. 

973
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:06,850
Like, I'm never gonna get to 
that level. 

974
00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:09,690
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

975
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:10,890
A lot. 
And I liked the. 

976
00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:16,250
I did not love it the way that 
this character loves the violin.

977
00:56:16,570 --> 00:56:17,970
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

978
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:22,510
And I think it's also because 
the drama starts with showing us

979
00:56:22,550 --> 00:56:24,630
that she made this momentous 
decision. 

980
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:26,390
Stop it, you know, just go and 
take it. 

981
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:30,110
So you you assume by the end of 
the drama she's gonna somehow 

982
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:34,390
Yeah, she's gonna, she's gonna, 
she's gonna rocky herself, you 

983
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:37,830
know out of and be all like well
trained and like, you know, and 

984
00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:42,110
is scary. 
It was scary how real it was. 

985
00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:45,110
It was also scary how she was 
like a second class citizen in 

986
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:47,150
the school, so that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

987
00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:53,450
Because of her. 
Lack of talent, and I thought 

988
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:57,650
the drama really started on a 
carefully. 

989
00:56:58,450 --> 00:57:02,490
Like, how do I put this? 
It was humiliation. 

990
00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:05,890
The drama started with 
humiliation because it had that 

991
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:09,570
whole intro sequence of her 
getting chewed. 

992
00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:12,850
Out and humiliated by the 
conductor who had just dismissed

993
00:57:12,850 --> 00:57:15,130
her and the other seat next to 
her. 

994
00:57:15,620 --> 00:57:17,580
Because he thought the violin 
section was too loud and he was 

995
00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:18,780
like, OK, you're not playing 
today. 

996
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,340
She had already like, she was 
like, but I practiced so hard, 

997
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:26,420
yeah. 
And she started to like. 

998
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:30,100
State her case and the conductor
was not having it. 

999
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:34,780
He was extremely rude and even 
when she. 

1000
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:36,060
Said he's like, what is your 
name? 

1001
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:38,380
And she starts saying her name, 
Tesuna. 

1002
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:43,270
And that means sorry in Korean 
if you don't know how to spell 

1003
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:45,390
it, because it's not spelled the
same way as sorry. 

1004
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:48,190
Evidently. 
And I was like, Oh my God. 

1005
00:57:48,190 --> 00:57:50,950
So it was like this little like 
who's on 1st gag that was 

1006
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:53,270
happening because he's like, I I
know you're sorry. 

1007
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:55,430
Stop saying you're sorry. 
What is your name? 

1008
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:57,630
I'm asking you your name. 
It was like, Oh my God, it was 

1009
00:57:57,630 --> 00:57:58,350
painful. 
Yeah. 

1010
00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:02,030
So painful. 
So then from there they start to

1011
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:06,610
craft this romance. 
And you, you're taken for a ride

1012
00:58:06,610 --> 00:58:10,290
because her journey as a 
violinist as well is extremely 

1013
00:58:10,290 --> 00:58:14,410
important to the show and it 
gives it's a huge source of 

1014
00:58:14,410 --> 00:58:17,650
heartbreak for for you as the 
audience member and certainly 

1015
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:20,850
for the characters. 
Yeah, and I thought it was 

1016
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:21,450
brave. 
I. 

1017
00:58:21,450 --> 00:58:24,730
Thought it was brave, the drama 
ended with her putting her 

1018
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:27,770
violin away and just going and 
saying goodbye. 

1019
00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:29,250
To it she. 
Literally like has there's a 

1020
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:31,450
little like goodbye ceremony to 
her violin. 

1021
00:58:31,450 --> 00:58:35,210
And I was like, oh. 
I almost cried. 

1022
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:37,090
When she because this is jumping
to the end. 

1023
00:58:37,090 --> 00:58:41,210
But when she sells her violin, I
have a story like that. 

1024
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:45,770
I had a guitar that was 
collecting dust for years and 

1025
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:47,530
years. 
It made the trip up with me 

1026
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:49,970
after I moved out of my parents 
house and it was just in my 

1027
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:52,850
closet and I never played it. 
I never practiced on it. 

1028
00:58:52,850 --> 00:58:57,770
I was like done with it by that 
point and I went to sell it and 

1029
00:58:57,770 --> 00:59:00,330
I listed it and you know, I was 
it was a public place. 

1030
00:59:00,330 --> 00:59:02,530
I was meeting up with these 
people and I had these thoughts.

1031
00:59:02,530 --> 00:59:05,990
I was like. 
This guitar meant a lot to me 

1032
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:09,510
and I remember buying it with my
dad and like playing it in the 

1033
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:13,150
store and all of the times that 
I practiced on it and played on 

1034
00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:14,950
it and I was getting really 
emotional. 

1035
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:17,990
But then I was like, it's not 
like it's not living. 

1036
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:19,870
It doesn't have a good home. 
I'm not playing. 

1037
00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:22,870
I had all of these thoughts as I
was telling the star and the 

1038
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:28,110
family that came to buy the 
guitar, they they looked pretty 

1039
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:31,360
worse for wear. 
To put it, to put it mildly. 

1040
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
And the dad picked it up and 
started playing the guitar and 

1041
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,200
he played so well, he just 
played like a little lick. 

1042
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,560
And I was like, this guy's gonna
use it. 

1043
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,640
This family's gonna enjoy the 
instrument. 

1044
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,120
And it was, I was like, here, I 
would have given it at that 

1045
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,240
point. 
I would have just given it to 

1046
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,720
them for free because I was like
if it goes to a good home then 

1047
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,600
great, it gets played with. 
Yeah, it's like Toy Story 3. 

1048
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:54,680
It is. 
It's. 

1049
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,240
Like Toy Story 3, but yeah, when
she starts crying. 

1050
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Yeah. 
Saying goodbye to the 

1051
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,040
instrument. 
And that she's gonna sell it. 

1052
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,520
I was like, Oh my God, yeah. 
I feel. 

1053
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,960
This I feel, yeah, she's. 
So good at crying as well. 

1054
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,960
She really kind of makes you 
feel. 

1055
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,280
Yeah, she's so good. 
It's terrible. 

1056
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,040
They say the name of the show in
the show because she asked him 

1057
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,320
at the airport in episode one. 
Do you like Brahms? 

1058
01:00:24,790 --> 01:00:28,030
I love when they do. 
That in shows and in movies. 

1059
01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:32,710
OK, it's like a low hanging 
fruit, but I love it and. 

1060
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:36,110
He says no. 
He says no, I don't like Brahms 

1061
01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:40,110
because of this whole like 
supposed. 

1062
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:44,110
Love triangle. 
That he had with Claire and 

1063
01:00:44,110 --> 01:00:49,470
Schumann to other composers of 
the time, and that mirrored 

1064
01:00:49,470 --> 01:00:53,800
JYP's own. 
Tumultuous relationship with his

1065
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,880
best friend's girl and the best 
friend he. 

1066
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,800
Also had like 1/3. 
Wheeling situation. 

1067
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:04,200
That you had like. 
And I like that the two they 

1068
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,800
learned to like get through 
their complexes and him not 

1069
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,440
liking Brahms. 
By the end, he's like I only I 

1070
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:18,980
played your your three. 
Talked to me about in episode 

1071
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:22,900
one and developed this pro music
program that got you into this 

1072
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:25,940
internship that was. 
Really powerful. 

1073
01:01:25,940 --> 01:01:29,220
To me that he ends up playing 
Brahms and you know, he chooses 

1074
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:32,660
these songs, yeah. 
That mean a lot. 

1075
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:36,140
And she understands because 
she's part of that world. 

1076
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:39,260
So it was it. 
Was really nice. 

1077
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:42,260
I'm going to switch gears for a 
second before we get too sappy. 

1078
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:48,380
I really hated her best friend. 
Yes. 

1079
01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:49,540
OK. 
OK. 

1080
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:51,260
Yeah, I. 
Thought I was like being really 

1081
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:55,020
catty about it. 
But no, no, I really disliked 

1082
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:57,020
her. 
I found her a bit. 

1083
01:01:57,740 --> 01:02:01,740
I just I first of all like I 
just didn't feel like they were 

1084
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:04,500
friends. 
Like they didn't feel like an 

1085
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:08,260
authentic friendship. 
I felt like therefore she was a 

1086
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:11,100
bit because also like so let me 
layout. 

1087
01:02:11,220 --> 01:02:16,220
I am not a big fan of love 
triangles, so to have. 

1088
01:02:16,590 --> 01:02:19,390
Basically 2 two of them in one 
drama. 

1089
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:21,830
Yes. 
Was just like I'm a bit over 

1090
01:02:21,830 --> 01:02:24,470
them but I mean they I think 
they did the the kind of the 

1091
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:30,030
Brahms and Clara Schumann thing 
like mirroring one was OK I I 

1092
01:02:30,030 --> 01:02:34,510
could do that but the second one
fell forced and and then because

1093
01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:36,750
obviously she is part of the 
best friend's part of this I 

1094
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:40,550
felt like she was just kind of 
she just felt a bit yeah bit 

1095
01:02:40,550 --> 01:02:43,230
fake and it just didn't feel 
very authentic and then they 

1096
01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:45,670
jammed in this like second love 
triangle. 

1097
01:02:46,070 --> 01:02:46,870
I just. 
Yeah. 

1098
01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:49,510
Yeah, yeah, I. 
Didn't like it at all. 

1099
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:52,950
It was a little bit icky. 
The best friend I think in 

1100
01:02:52,990 --> 01:02:55,630
episode 3. 
It's her birthday, right? 

1101
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:59,870
It's Jason Wow's birthday and 
the friend comes by and says, 

1102
01:02:59,870 --> 01:03:01,910
I'm not going to be able to make
it to your party leader. 

1103
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:05,590
Here's your gift. 
And she start the best. 

1104
01:03:05,590 --> 01:03:10,550
Friend only comes to drop off 
the gift and cry and ball over 

1105
01:03:10,550 --> 01:03:14,070
the guy. 
Who now wants nothing to do with

1106
01:03:14,070 --> 01:03:14,750
her? 
Her ex. 

1107
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:17,950
Which is the crush that 
Chesungla has on him, yeah. 

1108
01:03:19,590 --> 01:03:23,470
And it makes that it. 
Makes Chesunglass feel really 

1109
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:27,230
small and foolish. 
And why the? 

1110
01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:30,630
Hell would the friend? 
Do that on the her birthday, 

1111
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:34,470
Yeah. 
It was like this. 

1112
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:40,230
Isn't about you. 
Annoying. 

1113
01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:38,030
It's my birthday. 
You know what I'm saying? 

1114
01:03:38,350 --> 01:03:41,070
Yeah, it's. 
You know very. 

1115
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:43,230
Annoying and then? 
Later on when she basically has 

1116
01:03:43,230 --> 01:03:48,750
a go at her for having feelings 
for him and it's just kind of 

1117
01:03:48,750 --> 01:03:52,910
like she doesn't get to choose 
and she didn't act on them 

1118
01:03:53,350 --> 01:03:57,750
because you know, out of respect
you and you just chew her out 

1119
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:59,470
for it. 
It's just kind of like. 

1120
01:04:00,710 --> 01:04:02,990
Oh, I was a bit. 
Like I just wanted to Chuck 

1121
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:05,540
things at her. 
And then she said. 

1122
01:04:05,620 --> 01:04:07,340
Oh, it's not because you liked 
him. 

1123
01:04:07,340 --> 01:04:09,900
It's because you lied to me. 
That's what she was like. 

1124
01:04:09,940 --> 01:04:12,340
Oh, I'm upset at you because you
lied to me for all these years 

1125
01:04:12,340 --> 01:04:14,340
and I'm like, get the fuck out 
of here. 

1126
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:17,700
Like. 
Who would say, hey, I have a 

1127
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:20,780
pretty strong crush on your 
boyfriend now? 

1128
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:26,100
Your ex and hang the girl code 
or the bro code like this was 

1129
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:30,300
totally uncalled for and she had
she had no leg to stand on. 

1130
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:34,090
It felt like the BFF. 
Thought she was the main 

1131
01:04:34,090 --> 01:04:38,170
character. 
That's a good take, yeah. 

1132
01:04:39,130 --> 01:04:41,490
Yeah, I yeah. 
I kind of felt like they wrote 

1133
01:04:41,490 --> 01:04:44,330
her in that, that, like, she 
just kept thinking they were 

1134
01:04:44,330 --> 01:04:46,690
meant to be, right? 
Yeah, like her. 

1135
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:48,330
Her and this guy were meant to 
be. 

1136
01:04:48,330 --> 01:04:51,730
And he was just so not into her.
It wasn't even the love triangle

1137
01:04:51,730 --> 01:04:54,370
in some ways, because he was 
really not into her. 

1138
01:04:58,010 --> 01:05:00,330
I agree. 
I agree completely. 

1139
01:05:01,570 --> 01:05:03,690
And then they tried to bring her
back later. 

1140
01:05:03,690 --> 01:05:08,330
I thought this was good, if only
the relationship was believable,

1141
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:11,770
that then of them being friends,
because they bring her back 

1142
01:05:11,770 --> 01:05:14,250
later when she's really chase 
someone was really down. 

1143
01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:19,730
And the violin repair shop guy 
who was that part of the other 

1144
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:25,410
bit of that triangle calls the 
BFF and he's like basically I 

1145
01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:27,730
must, we don't see that 
conversation, but I'm glad that 

1146
01:05:27,730 --> 01:05:29,700
he did that, Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1147
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:32,460
But yeah, that's part of the 
parts of the show. 

1148
01:05:32,460 --> 01:05:34,340
I'm like I could actually done 
without this bit. 

1149
01:05:37,180 --> 01:05:39,260
In episode. 
Three, we get this sort of like 

1150
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:41,260
conversation at the dinner 
table. 

1151
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:43,620
Like there's even. 
Can music comfort people? 

1152
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:49,540
Is music a comfort? 
And I thought this was a little 

1153
01:05:49,540 --> 01:05:51,540
bit of a stupid conversation 
because I'm like, of course 

1154
01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:55,380
music can comfort. 
Music therapy. 

1155
01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:57,980
Now, when I was a kid, there was
no music therapy, OK? 

1156
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,160
But did you have thoughts about 
this romantic notion about music

1157
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,520
and the way that some of these 
players, like these 

1158
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,520
instrumentalists, were like? 
I don't know if music can 

1159
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,040
comfort whatever. 
They were a little bit 

1160
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,000
pessimistic about it. 
Well, I found a macro. 

1161
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,080
Like I think it mirrored, like I
think it was a really good for 

1162
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,040
Kim and Jay's character. 
So Joe repeats like arc in the 

1163
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,380
you know. 
Like, he's the flip of Sona, 

1164
01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:30,220
right? 
He is so perdiciously talented. 

1165
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:33,540
But piano, piano playing for him
brings him no joy. 

1166
01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:36,900
He has no joy. 
It is just a way to make money. 

1167
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:38,660
It's like a thing that's 
pressure. 

1168
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:41,380
It's the thing that means that 
he has to take sleeping tablets 

1169
01:06:41,380 --> 01:06:44,940
to sleep and it's not something 
he gets any kind of. 

1170
01:06:45,250 --> 01:06:48,650
Joy out of, let alone comfort 
from anymore, right? 

1171
01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:52,690
And I think there is also like a
commentary about which I think I

1172
01:06:52,690 --> 01:06:56,210
feel as well, of just what 
happens when you turn your 

1173
01:06:56,370 --> 01:07:00,650
passion and your hobby into a 
job and it becomes like the 

1174
01:07:00,650 --> 01:07:04,090
thing that you just that your 
livelihood depends on it Does it

1175
01:07:04,090 --> 01:07:07,370
just erode that passion for? 
So I mean, like, mine's just 

1176
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:08,850
very small thing. 
But like, I love knitting and 

1177
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:10,940
crocheting. 
And part of the thing when 

1178
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:13,060
you're knitting and crochets, 
people meet you and you go, wow,

1179
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:15,180
wow, you've made this. 
Like, you should totally sell 

1180
01:07:15,180 --> 01:07:19,380
this, right? 
But like, nobody wants to pay 

1181
01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:23,060
actual money for things that 
have been like, made handmade. 

1182
01:07:23,060 --> 01:07:26,500
And the hours that go into it, 
like your average adult jumper 

1183
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:29,700
would take 80 hours. 
So if I charge myself a minimum 

1184
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:33,660
pay, like no one's paying me 
like 800 pounds or like 1000 

1185
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:35,300
U.S. dollars for a hand knit 
jumper, right? 

1186
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,860
That's just not not happening. 
And. 

1187
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:40,070
And so. 
Like, but people always go, oh, 

1188
01:07:40,070 --> 01:07:42,950
you should do this as a job and 
so A it's economically not 

1189
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:46,830
viable, but B it's also like, 
but then I wouldn't be doing it 

1190
01:07:46,830 --> 01:07:50,710
for myself, right? 
It would no longer be my hobby, 

1191
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:54,510
my passion, my joy, my comfort. 
It would be something that. 

1192
01:07:54,850 --> 01:07:57,530
You know, I have to do like, 
whatever my customer wants me to

1193
01:07:57,530 --> 01:08:01,530
do, even if it's hideous and in 
the wrong color or whatever, you

1194
01:08:01,530 --> 01:08:03,490
know, thing that might erode my 
joy. 

1195
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:06,610
And it becomes something that's 
not, you know, it becomes a 

1196
01:08:06,610 --> 01:08:08,370
chore. 
Because all jobs are a chore, 

1197
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:09,530
right? 
Even the ones you love. 

1198
01:08:10,330 --> 01:08:12,060
So it's kinda. 
I thought it was. 

1199
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:14,380
I thought it was a good 
conversation in that sense, 

1200
01:08:14,380 --> 01:08:17,020
because it was like asking this 
general, more general question 

1201
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:21,300
of like what happens to you when
actually you've picked up this 

1202
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:23,700
instrument and it must have 
given you joy at some point. 

1203
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:28,420
But now like several years down 
the line, does it no longer are 

1204
01:08:28,420 --> 01:08:30,700
you almost becoming to? 
Hate it because it's actually 

1205
01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:32,899
become something that you're 
tied to, you know? 

1206
01:08:32,979 --> 01:08:34,420
Absolutely. 
I think. 

1207
01:08:34,420 --> 01:08:39,540
You hit the nail on the head. 
I think that Jason basically 

1208
01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:42,930
comes in and says look. 
Songs mean different things to 

1209
01:08:42,930 --> 01:08:48,290
different people, and one person
might derive joy from something 

1210
01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:57,370
that you hate. 
The out of the equation, the 

1211
01:08:57,370 --> 01:09:03,490
fact that it's a job for JYP, 
Yeah, And then he's actually 

1212
01:09:03,490 --> 01:08:51,330
suffering. 
And you know, she kind of 

1213
01:08:51,330 --> 01:08:55,529
defines it that way and it 
still. 

1214
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:08,410
For the craft, totally. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1215
01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:10,939
So. 
She does have a very romantic 

1216
01:09:10,939 --> 01:09:16,819
notion of living and playing 
music as her career versus JYP, 

1217
01:09:16,819 --> 01:09:20,540
who's in the trenches and really
feels the strain of this life, 

1218
01:09:20,540 --> 01:09:24,220
how demanding it is, how he's 
constantly living out of a 

1219
01:09:24,220 --> 01:09:28,340
suitcase and you know, not to 
mention the financial strain 

1220
01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:31,460
that his family puts on him 
because his father's constantly.

1221
01:09:31,740 --> 01:09:33,979
Yeah, getting in debt, so. 
Yeah. 

1222
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,200
And then all the pressure. 
From his agent on staying on the

1223
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,120
top of his game and like, you 
know, being potentially 

1224
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,680
overtaken by some other brand 
new star in the pianist world 

1225
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,240
and yeah, just feel. 
For him. 

1226
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,960
So much during this drama. 
Like I think he they do. 

1227
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,080
A really good job. 
Of kind of showing how he's 

1228
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,160
quietly, like how hard this is 
for him. 

1229
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:58,520
Mmhmm. 
And then later on, this 

1230
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,040
conversation comes into play. 
I think in episode 14 where she 

1231
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:07,110
starts to this is when she's. 
Thinking of giving up the violin

1232
01:10:07,150 --> 01:10:09,950
and she they have like the 
flashbacks of this conversation 

1233
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:14,510
about music and bringing you 
comfort and she's like hugging 

1234
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:19,950
the violin as well while she's 
thinking of all this and she 

1235
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:22,950
goes to. 
The violin case and the bridge 

1236
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:25,030
has fallen. 
The bridge has collapsed on the 

1237
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:28,990
violin and you're like, Oh no, 
that's a little on the nose for 

1238
01:10:28,990 --> 01:10:32,910
me personally. 
Yeah, like that sort. 

1239
01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:35,530
Of thing. 
It happened multiple. 

1240
01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:37,930
Times in the later episodes. 
And I was like, this is a little

1241
01:10:37,930 --> 01:10:42,210
cheap, like, you know we can, we
were really smart earlier. 

1242
01:10:42,490 --> 01:10:45,970
You didn't need to have the 
violin bridge collapse to show 

1243
01:10:45,970 --> 01:10:47,730
that. 
Yeah. 

1244
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:49,610
It's yeah, you know what I'm 
saying. 

1245
01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:51,730
Well, actually. 
Because A. 

1246
01:10:51,730 --> 01:10:54,450
Lot of I think the beauty of 
this show was all the 

1247
01:10:54,450 --> 01:10:57,010
subtleties. 
You know, some some of the stuff

1248
01:10:57,010 --> 01:11:00,130
like I didn't even notice until 
like afterwards I read like 

1249
01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:02,610
other people what they wrote 
about the drama and stuff and 

1250
01:11:02,610 --> 01:11:05,130
I'm like, oh, I didn't even 
notice that that was so. 

1251
01:11:05,490 --> 01:11:08,370
And like I think for example 
like the way that their 

1252
01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:10,330
relationship, like one of the 
things I loved about them was 

1253
01:11:10,330 --> 01:11:14,770
how organically they kind of 
grew together and the show 

1254
01:11:14,770 --> 01:11:16,990
showed. 
How they came to care for each 

1255
01:11:16,990 --> 01:11:18,910
other. 
And they did it in loads of tiny

1256
01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:22,790
little ways and it was really, 
really softly done and really 

1257
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:23,230
beautiful. 
Yeah. 

1258
01:11:23,230 --> 01:11:26,110
So the bridge was a bit like, 
oh, this is a bit K drummer is 

1259
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:28,870
this is a bit. 
We get the symbolism. 

1260
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:33,070
It's like, yeah, I get it, yeah.
It's a little like, you know. 

1261
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:39,150
Spoon fed in episode three he 
plays cuz she's very cut up and 

1262
01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:40,830
it's her birthday. 
She just had this. 

1263
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:44,350
Thing happened with her best 
friend who's crying over the guy

1264
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:46,510
that she has a garage on. 
It's this whole complex thing 

1265
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:51,630
and she's not feeling up for 
going to the party and I think 

1266
01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:55,670
he's in the practice room and he
plays Moonlight Sonata for her. 

1267
01:11:57,270 --> 01:12:00,510
And then transitions. 
It into Happy Birthday. 

1268
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:02,910
Yes. 
And I was like. 

1269
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:07,170
I was holding onto the wall. 
I was like this is amazing this 

1270
01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:09,930
is. 
Genius right to do. 

1271
01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:12,530
This because she starts. 
She's like, I don't really feel 

1272
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:14,170
like listening to music right 
now. 

1273
01:12:14,170 --> 01:12:15,970
I don't feel like listening to 
this song. 

1274
01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:18,370
And then? 
He transitions. 

1275
01:12:18,370 --> 01:12:22,210
Into Happy Birthday and I was 
like, Oh my God, I am sold if a 

1276
01:12:22,210 --> 01:12:26,650
boy did this for me, Major 
Kennergy, but also I would buy 

1277
01:12:26,650 --> 01:12:29,730
it. 
Yeah, so that. 

1278
01:12:30,150 --> 01:12:33,470
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I mean, if it just reminded me 

1279
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:35,510
the one thing I have to say when
we have classical. 

1280
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:37,190
Having said that, I'm not really
into classical music. 

1281
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:40,430
One thing when they do do 
classical music, I wish they 

1282
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:44,270
would pick some other pieces and
not pick like the like the 

1283
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:48,910
literally the most overplayed, 
like Moonlight Sonata. 

1284
01:12:48,910 --> 01:12:51,470
Like in Twilight it was flipping
Claire de Lune. 

1285
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:54,750
I was like, just fucking loon. 
Claire's a fucking loon. 

1286
01:12:54,750 --> 01:12:58,470
I'm just like, yeah, let's just 
like, pick a different fact. 

1287
01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:01,430
Let's not all play the same 
thing. 

1288
01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:04,950
That's on like the classical 100
like CD, right? 

1289
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:08,990
Let's just kinda. 
But yeah, I I was like, come on 

1290
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:11,550
guys, that's I mean, I'd like to
learn some other paintings. 

1291
01:13:11,630 --> 01:13:15,590
I'd like to learn, you know, 
find something obscure to love 

1292
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:17,510
and then we could all get to 
know it a bit better. 

1293
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:20,110
So yeah, that might learn my pet
peeve for this. 

1294
01:13:20,150 --> 01:13:22,830
I agree completely. 
I agree. 

1295
01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:25,430
I think it was the transition 
that I was like, Oh my God, Oh 

1296
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:26,510
my God. 
I hear it. 

1297
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:29,970
It's happening. 
But then he gets up from the 

1298
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:31,690
piano. 
Assess asks her, Would you like 

1299
01:13:31,690 --> 01:13:34,290
to be friends? 
Yeah, and then he says. 

1300
01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:37,450
No, we have. 
To be friends and then he goes 

1301
01:13:37,450 --> 01:13:39,410
and hugs her and says I'm doing 
this as a friend. 

1302
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:43,170
Ohh, they were so. 
Cute. 

1303
01:13:43,650 --> 01:13:45,770
Because he's just like. 
Comforting her. 

1304
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:49,530
And I like their date when they 
go on their first date and 

1305
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:54,650
they're walking by the wall at 
the palace, yes, that, he said. 

1306
01:13:54,650 --> 01:13:56,290
Multiple times. 
He likes to take a stroll by the

1307
01:13:56,290 --> 01:13:59,730
palace and she's like, really? 
I guess it's a little cliche, 

1308
01:13:59,730 --> 01:14:04,330
maybe, but I appreciate it. 
I appreciate these moments where

1309
01:14:04,330 --> 01:14:11,570
you see them just vibing with 
each other and making small talk

1310
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:14,050
and having a little bit deeper 
conversations. 

1311
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:16,770
And it's good. 
I I liked all that. 

1312
01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:19,650
Yeah, I really. 
What I really loved, and given 

1313
01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:21,850
obviously that they're 
introverts, was just how quickly

1314
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:24,850
they open themselves up and 
start telling each other things 

1315
01:14:24,850 --> 01:14:29,920
they haven't told their Bff's. 
About themselves and obviously 

1316
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,280
crushes and whatever but just 
just like opening up it was 

1317
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,880
almost like they kind of got 
like I mean you know I'm as I 

1318
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,800
said a romance fan. 
So I do always love it when like

1319
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,680
two people meet and they kind of
realize that they're this is. 

1320
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,560
Someone that they. 
Can bear their soul to a little 

1321
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,680
bit like that always gets me. 
And I think that they did that 

1322
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,240
so well right from the start. 
Right right from the start. 

1323
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,640
She's kind of quite honest about
how she feels about this, that 

1324
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,080
and the other and. 
Because they're so introverted 

1325
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,640
in clothes. 
Like, this is like the first 

1326
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,680
time we as an audience hear some
of this as well, right? 

1327
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,960
So I think that was really, I 
thought they did that so well. 

1328
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,160
Yeah. 
What did you think about? 

1329
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:17,200
Him and 2nd Femaley Dongyong 
together and their hang up, 

1330
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,960
which was pretty consuming for a
large part of the show. 

1331
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,550
So this. 
So I did struggle. 

1332
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:30,830
With this, like I said, I'm not 
a big love triangle fan. 

1333
01:15:31,230 --> 01:15:34,550
I found her character really 
difficult, so I think it sounds 

1334
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:37,670
like we had a similar journey in
the most of the drama. 

1335
01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:40,070
I was like, I just do not like 
this person. 

1336
01:15:40,150 --> 01:15:40,510
Apple. 
She's. 

1337
01:15:40,990 --> 01:15:43,510
A bitch like. 
My God and also why? 

1338
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:45,290
Does she have? 
Two. 

1339
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:48,410
Not just one, but two really 
amazing people fall for her. 

1340
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:49,330
Like, what is? 
Why? 

1341
01:15:50,050 --> 01:15:52,410
Yeah, for what? 
For what, exactly? 

1342
01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:53,650
For what? 
She's not great. 

1343
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:55,330
No, she looks great. 
No. 

1344
01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:58,130
And and neither of them are with
her for the money which is 

1345
01:15:58,130 --> 01:16:02,810
something I could I could I'm 
like OK maybe for the money and 

1346
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:05,970
the the influence because your 
family is like you know this 

1347
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:09,930
amazing like musical like 
whatever you know family and for

1348
01:16:09,930 --> 01:16:12,050
the for the prestige of it. 
But no that's not the reason 

1349
01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:13,050
you're with her. 
You like her? 

1350
01:16:13,050 --> 01:16:16,080
Because I don't know. 
I don't know why you're like 

1351
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,520
yes. 
I don't know why. 

1352
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,080
They liked her. 
She was not charismatic. 

1353
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,320
She was very dry. 
She seemed to have no sense of 

1354
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,400
humor. 
She was rude. 

1355
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,520
Rude, yeah. 
Rude. 

1356
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,920
She was mean. 
To Chesunga as well, Yeah, she 

1357
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,440
seemed to have. 
One expression throughout the 

1358
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,160
show and. 
Which was? 

1359
01:16:41,310 --> 01:16:45,870
It was distaste. 
Like she was annoyed or judging 

1360
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:51,390
everyone around her at all 
points, and I particularly 

1361
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:54,430
thought that she was cruel. 
In. 

1362
01:16:54,430 --> 01:17:00,070
Episodes 5 through 6 or so, when
she breaks up with the cellist 

1363
01:17:00,070 --> 01:17:02,950
with the, he'll know like I 
thought that was terrible 

1364
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:05,470
because she breaks up with him 
and. 

1365
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:09,350
He's trying. 
I think they're in an outdoor. 

1366
01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:11,590
What are those called? 
Like the tented? 

1367
01:17:12,510 --> 01:17:15,350
Oh, the pojung child. 
Yes, yes. 

1368
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:19,150
And he's trying to. 
Convince her that she's 

1369
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:21,870
imploding their relationship for
something that she thinks is 

1370
01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:23,510
better, which in this case is 
JYP. 

1371
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:28,070
Yes, but it you know it's not, 
it'll make her uncomfortable 

1372
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:30,350
eventually that she'll regret it
eventually. 

1373
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:33,350
The grass is not always greener 
on the other side and that. 

1374
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,160
She and she still does it 
anyway. 

1375
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:41,160
She still calls it quits with 
him and his crying in that scene

1376
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,680
was so good, so. 
Good. 

1377
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,160
So good. 
I mean, as much as I bitch about

1378
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,640
how, like, it's still like, it 
gave us that scene. 

1379
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,680
It gave us another. 
Not that we really needed it, 

1380
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,160
but another Kimson Cho, looking 
wounded and like, heartbroken 

1381
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,110
and yearning and just like, oh. 
My heart, my heart went out 

1382
01:17:59,310 --> 01:18:03,470
there, you know, our poor boy. 
But then later, she tells the 

1383
01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:06,990
foundation director, Youngin, I 
think they call her Noona 

1384
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:09,990
throughout the show. 
She tells her that they broke up

1385
01:18:10,350 --> 01:18:12,870
and he's there. 
Like Kilno is there in the 

1386
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:17,310
concert hall where they're 
talking and she goes ape shit in

1387
01:18:17,310 --> 01:18:20,950
front of the Noona character 
because she's asked him, did you

1388
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:24,510
intend to marry me? 
With what confidence? 

1389
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:27,610
Did you think you had anything 
to offer me? 

1390
01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:33,610
Tell me why they. 
Liked her, she said. 

1391
01:18:34,130 --> 01:18:35,490
Shit. 
Person she is. 

1392
01:18:36,810 --> 01:18:41,930
Horrible She's and horrible and 
also like they kept flashing 

1393
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:44,010
back. 
Like they kept flashing back to 

1394
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:49,250
that scene in the concert like 
theater bit where they so this 

1395
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:53,610
is JYP now and and and the sex 
second male asking female lead. 

1396
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:55,560
And the. 
The. 

1397
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,440
Kind of like confession. 
That wasn't the confession, But 

1398
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,600
I think, I think when we got to 
like the fifth three play of 

1399
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,520
this, you think Flashback. 
I was. 

1400
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,040
Like enough. 
Enough. 

1401
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,560
I'm like a bit over it. 
Like, actually, could you just 

1402
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,480
show me why he liked her rather 
than this scene? 

1403
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,680
This, rather than this scene? 
Could you show me a time when 

1404
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,640
she deserved your adoration? 
Because then maybe I'd get it a 

1405
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,680
bit more. 
But you know, I know, yeah. 

1406
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,320
Yeah, we had. 
We both. 

1407
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,760
Had the. 
Same issues with this character.

1408
01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:30,020
And then her threatening at 
various points Chesuna like she 

1409
01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:32,620
shows up in front of her house 
in front of Chesuna's 

1410
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:36,940
neighborhood and says that her 
and JYP have 15 years of 

1411
01:19:36,940 --> 01:19:38,700
history. 
Stay out of our business. 

1412
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:42,180
Yeah, I was like, what? 
The hell where did this guy? 

1413
01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,140
If I was chasing, I'd have no 
idea what she's talking about. 

1414
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:48,060
Why? 
Why she would come and tell me 

1415
01:19:48,060 --> 01:19:50,300
this? 
Because at this point, they're 

1416
01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:53,990
not even together, really. 
Yeah, it was crazy it. 

1417
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:55,550
Was it? 
Was. 

1418
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:59,390
So I completely. 
Was on Chase on last side, did 

1419
01:19:59,390 --> 01:20:02,670
you, did you take sides in their
relationship at all? 

1420
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:04,710
Like did you find? 
That you were. 

1421
01:20:06,030 --> 01:20:11,950
Sort of on JYP side as far as he
had a lot of the way that he was

1422
01:20:11,950 --> 01:20:16,430
behaving was warranted and you 
know, forgivable or were you on 

1423
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:18,690
chase on last side? 
I was chasing our. 

1424
01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:20,690
Side Yeah, Yeah. 
Because there. 

1425
01:20:20,730 --> 01:20:22,690
Were there were. 
Times when I'm just like because

1426
01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:24,970
let's be fair, like as as 
beautiful as this drama, that 

1427
01:20:24,970 --> 01:20:26,890
subtlety. 
There were also times when it it

1428
01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:29,850
did lean into the tropes right 
and so like part way like like 

1429
01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:32,530
towards the end when it does 
that whole miscommunication 

1430
01:20:32,530 --> 01:20:36,290
thing if she miss her or 
misunderstands like. 

1431
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:39,900
Him kind of being the 
accompanist to the second female

1432
01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:44,740
and like you could just explain,
you could just talk and you 

1433
01:20:44,740 --> 01:20:48,100
could also tell her like your 
money issues and you could just 

1434
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:52,980
tell her like cuz she doesn't 
feel like you're talking to her 

1435
01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:53,660
right? 
Yeah. 

1436
01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:56,730
You could just talk. 
You could just talk. 

1437
01:20:57,010 --> 01:21:00,090
I mean it gives us antsy scene. 
So I'm just like, I get it, I 

1438
01:21:00,090 --> 01:21:01,770
get it, I get like that's why 
they did it. 

1439
01:21:01,770 --> 01:21:05,170
But yeah, now all the time I did
feel like, OK, so first of all 

1440
01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:09,250
like, I just feel the drama did 
such a good job of. 

1441
01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:11,850
As we said, making her an 
introvert. 

1442
01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:15,890
But she is so brave. 
Like she like throughout this 

1443
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:18,450
drama, right. 
She is consistently putting 

1444
01:21:18,450 --> 01:21:20,730
herself out there. 
And you know, because she's, I 

1445
01:21:20,730 --> 01:21:23,930
mean, this is flipping hard for 
anybody to do, but it must be so

1446
01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:26,250
much more harder when you're 
such an introvert. 

1447
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:30,450
So she tells him that you like 
seeing when she tells him she 

1448
01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:32,130
likes him. 
Oh yeah. 

1449
01:21:32,970 --> 01:21:35,420
Perfect example. 
And and you do you want to read?

1450
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:38,540
The thing because she wrote like
an interview she gave right 

1451
01:21:38,540 --> 01:21:41,740
about that scene she talked. 
About that scene and it was 

1452
01:21:41,740 --> 01:21:45,020
really touching. 
The way she talked. 

1453
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:49,260
About their chemistry, and she 
explained that in episode 6, it 

1454
01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:52,500
wasn't that I meant to confess 
my feelings, but after seeing 

1455
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,020
his face, everything just came 
out uncontrollably. 

1456
01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:58,300
I had my hand on my chest and I 
could feel my heart beating, so 

1457
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:01,700
it seems like she's a little 
method because. 

1458
01:22:02,210 --> 01:22:06,370
She was feeling some type of way
during that scene, and you could

1459
01:22:06,370 --> 01:22:10,530
tell that it was authentic and 
very organic. 

1460
01:22:10,730 --> 01:22:12,050
Yeah. 
The way that it just sort of 

1461
01:22:12,050 --> 01:22:13,930
spilled out of her, like I like 
you. 

1462
01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:15,530
Yeah. 
And I felt. 

1463
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:19,290
It you know like I've been I've 
been that person that think that

1464
01:22:19,290 --> 01:22:21,850
person that's kind of like I 
don't think you'd like me back 

1465
01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:25,020
and you're like way too like. 
You know about out of my league,

1466
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:26,380
which is I think how she feels 
right. 

1467
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:27,980
This person is so out of my 
league. 

1468
01:22:27,980 --> 01:22:31,820
But oh, like I've got all these 
feelings and then suddenly like,

1469
01:22:31,980 --> 01:22:34,860
and then suddenly you're asking 
me what's wrong And I'm just 

1470
01:22:34,860 --> 01:22:38,100
like I can't pretend that like 
I'm OK. 

1471
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:40,900
Because obviously I'm not OK and
like black is my feelings. 

1472
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:44,700
And so it felt so real. 
I was just like and but she was 

1473
01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:48,820
so brave as well you know to 
just bear her heart it it, you 

1474
01:22:48,820 --> 01:22:51,140
know in in that situation where 
she feels like. 

1475
01:22:51,490 --> 01:22:54,330
It's just one sided like for 
her, you know, it's just from 

1476
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:56,930
her side. 
So she's not saying it to like 

1477
01:22:56,970 --> 01:23:00,290
elicit like I like you back. 
Like I know she knows that this 

1478
01:23:00,290 --> 01:23:03,370
is not, you know. 
Yeah. 

1479
01:23:03,850 --> 01:23:07,450
And then the ice cream kiss. 
Can we talk about the ice cream 

1480
01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:10,240
scene? 
Take it away. 

1481
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,240
Take it. 
Away I made a TikTok about it 

1482
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,000
cuz I loved it so much. 
But absolutely please what did 

1483
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,600
you what did you think about the
ice cream kiss? 

1484
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,600
I just love the. 
Well, first of all, I love the 

1485
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,760
IT turns out that he didn't 
really like ice cream, so it was

1486
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,980
so delivable. 
This is so believable. 

1487
01:23:29,060 --> 01:23:31,220
Yeah, yeah, that he's. 
Like I just. 

1488
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:34,220
Do you want to grab ice cream? 
He basically is just like pulled

1489
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:36,540
it out of thin air, even though 
he doesn't even like ice cream 

1490
01:23:36,820 --> 01:23:40,500
just to spend time with her and 
then later on she they're eating

1491
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:42,860
ice cream together. 
But he's not eating. 

1492
01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:44,060
He's. 
Not eating it. 

1493
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:46,380
And she's like, what? 
It's wrong. 

1494
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:49,100
And he's like, I don't really 
like ice cream. 

1495
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:54,400
So that's really cute. 
That was already cute. 

1496
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,280
As I mean God they're just so 
cute that was already cute as 

1497
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,600
and then they lean in because 
then the hurt his ice cream 

1498
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,440
falls and then she she's like 
you know you know they're about 

1499
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:09,160
to kiss and and then she does it
right she initiates it she 

1500
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:14,280
kisses him and like I'm just 
like you go girl like you just 

1501
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:18,280
you know like it must also 
really hard and then. 

1502
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,320
And it's just so cute because 
then she kisses him and then she

1503
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,400
suddenly, like, draws back and 
sit like you could kind of feel 

1504
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,800
like she goes, oh shit, like I I
kissed him like, oh, like what 

1505
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,120
was I doing? 
And then he just goes in for 

1506
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,040
like round two. 
And then I'm just like, and then

1507
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:36,360
and then the ice cream is 
melting. 

1508
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,240
And then we are all melting. 
And I was like, oh, this is such

1509
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:40,600
a great scene. 
I love that. 

1510
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:41,760
Perfect. 
Yeah. 

1511
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,880
She puts down her own. 
Ice cream so it's like. 

1512
01:24:44,540 --> 01:24:47,140
I got to dedicate myself to the 
sweeter thing and this kiss is 

1513
01:24:47,140 --> 01:24:51,780
sweeter than the ice cream. 
That. 

1514
01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:52,340
Right now I. 
Scene. 

1515
01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:56,340
And yeah, she's quite brave, I 
think even just the fact that 

1516
01:24:56,340 --> 01:24:58,500
she went to Business School, 
graduated with a business 

1517
01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:01,380
degree, and then was like, I'm 
going to go back to school for 

1518
01:25:01,380 --> 01:25:03,300
violin. 
And she'd never played the 

1519
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:08,100
violin before. 
Wild that. 

1520
01:25:08,100 --> 01:25:12,500
Is that is. 
That's maybe something more 

1521
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:14,520
because. 
And even her. 

1522
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,400
Dad was like, do you? 
Even, like, are you even 

1523
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:23,080
talented at playing the violin? 
The family's like befuddled by 

1524
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,800
her decision and of course they 
don't support her, which is 

1525
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,600
really sad and. 
I I don't know. 

1526
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,920
I don't know if I like this 
family at all, but. 

1527
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,800
But quite. 
I guess like in the in the 

1528
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,480
social context, I think 
completely understandable. 

1529
01:25:40,060 --> 01:25:43,220
Yeah, I love, I love that she is
such a brave character, but she 

1530
01:25:43,220 --> 01:26:05,100
doesn't look it right. 
She's going. 

1531
01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:45,820
So it's that juxtaposition of 
life. 

1532
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:48,820
They don't have to always be 
warriors and they don't have to 

1533
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:51,500
be like a king in the King's 
affection and be all like, you 

1534
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:55,100
know, I'm alpha. 
Like she is so, so, so strong 

1535
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:57,580
and so, so brave. 
And then even then, later, when 

1536
01:25:57,580 --> 01:26:02,580
she she decides that she's going
to break up, you know, and she 

1537
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:07,220
does it for herself. 
To put herself even though she 

1538
01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:12,390
likes him so much. 
She she's like, I'm doing this 

1539
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:19,390
for me. 
That really organic and also 

1540
01:26:19,390 --> 01:26:23,910
really brave and took courage 
and yeah, I. 

1541
01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:15,950
This isn't. 
This isn't working for me. 

1542
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:24,790
Yeah, and I. 
Agree completely. 

1543
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:30,070
I like that she she brings up, I
think in voiceover can she beat 

1544
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:35,110
time, which is 2 things that 
she's trying to work out in her 

1545
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:37,790
mind and heart. 
Can she beat the time? 

1546
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:43,100
That other people have on her. 
Like as far as her musical 

1547
01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:47,100
ability, she is way behind 
everybody else in school. 

1548
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:52,740
And even his JYP's agent comes 
and has like multiple terrible 

1549
01:26:52,740 --> 01:26:55,060
conversations with her where 
he's just putting her down and 

1550
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:58,140
giving her reality check that 
she'd never requested. 

1551
01:26:58,820 --> 01:27:03,740
And he's like, there, you can't 
be time everyone else has had. 

1552
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:07,190
Been practicing and taking 
lessons for over a decade and 

1553
01:27:07,190 --> 01:27:09,270
you're just starting. 
Like, whether you're good or 

1554
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:10,990
bad, it doesn't matter, You 
can't beat them. 

1555
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:16,470
And in her, in the relationship 
between JYP and Jung Kyung, the 

1556
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:19,430
second female lead, it's the 
same thing that she's 

1557
01:27:19,630 --> 01:27:22,070
questioning. 
Like, can I beat this time that 

1558
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:25,910
they've spent together? 
Like, I don't have this history 

1559
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:29,120
with him and. 
How am? 

1560
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,600
I going to get you know he's 
she's everywhere in his life. 

1561
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,160
Like she goes to his house. 
She requests to go to his house 

1562
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,040
which is also really brave right
Early on in the relationship. 

1563
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:44,040
She's like can I go up to your 
house And she sees like the 

1564
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:51,080
Hank, the handkerchief that she 
gave him and he's funded 

1565
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,360
basically by her family. 
His entire livelihood depends on

1566
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,460
on her and. 
So on and so forth. 

1567
01:28:05,900 --> 01:28:14,980
With this, and it's a valid 
question, yeah, talking about 

1568
01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,780
the relationship, the elitism, 
which I think you touched on 

1569
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:20,940
earlier was probably the most 
like. 

1570
01:27:57,460 --> 01:28:01,860
The list goes on with how she's 
been imprinted all over JYP and 

1571
01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:04,780
she said like Jason was like, 
how can I? 

1572
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,560
Frustrating part of the show. 
To me like never never mind the 

1573
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,800
two love triangles and the 
second female lead from hell, I 

1574
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,640
thought the elitism and the way 
that there is like a clear 

1575
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:39,240
hierarchy in the school and. 
The music. 

1576
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,360
Community. 
And I couldn't fathom how JYP 

1577
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:47,960
could let his piano competition 
teacher speak so badly of his 

1578
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,450
girlfriend at this point. 
And how her? 

1579
01:28:52,450 --> 01:28:55,770
Internship buddy as well was 
saying like, why would a world 

1580
01:28:55,770 --> 01:28:58,410
class pianist date an ordinary 
violin student? 

1581
01:28:58,570 --> 01:29:02,410
Yeah. 
Yeah, cuz she's just ordinary. 

1582
01:29:02,410 --> 01:29:04,250
It was. 
It was a lot. 

1583
01:29:04,290 --> 01:29:08,290
And I was feeling that along 
with the character, that was 

1584
01:29:08,290 --> 01:29:11,050
something that was running 
throughout the show was just 

1585
01:29:11,050 --> 01:29:15,890
this the way. 
That the community's so. 

1586
01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:19,530
Yeah, yeah, it. 
Was so hierarchical, right? 

1587
01:29:20,010 --> 01:29:22,970
But that's why then, then that 
also gave like, one of the other

1588
01:29:22,970 --> 01:29:26,090
scenes that I really loved when 
he was just, you know, he was 

1589
01:29:26,090 --> 01:29:30,050
when they were together and 
people were asking them like, 

1590
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:32,170
you know, is this rumor real? 
And he's like, yeah, she's my 

1591
01:29:32,170 --> 01:29:33,690
girlfriend. 
Like I'm we're dating. 

1592
01:29:34,380 --> 01:29:37,220
And then they sit next to each 
other in the canteen, and then 

1593
01:29:37,220 --> 01:29:40,260
they just basically do, because 
they just do a lot of this, like

1594
01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:42,500
shy smiling at each. 
Like they can't, Yeah, stop 

1595
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:45,420
smiling at each other. 
But then they kind of stop, and 

1596
01:29:45,420 --> 01:29:47,780
then they start again because 
they kind of like, can't not 

1597
01:29:47,780 --> 01:29:49,220
stop smiling. 
And I was just like, ohh, 

1598
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:52,340
they're so adorable. 
They're so cute together. 

1599
01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:53,260
I love them. 
Yeah. 

1600
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:57,980
Yeah, the exploitation. 
Of the students by the 

1601
01:29:57,980 --> 01:30:02,460
professors, yes. 
Disgusting. 

1602
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,320
And they badger them. 
They insult them. 

1603
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,680
The teachers are condescending 
to them. 

1604
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:13,160
They pin all of like the 
professors pin all of their own.

1605
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,080
Dash Dreams. 
And musical aspirations on the 

1606
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,960
students. 
And not only do they live 

1607
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,800
vicariously through them, but 
they they're simultaneously 

1608
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:26,040
gaining esteem and clout and 
position from attaching their 

1609
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:27,800
name to their most successful 
students. 

1610
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,720
And this blew my mind, I don't 
feel. 

1611
01:30:32,250 --> 01:30:35,650
Like, we have that in our 
culture over here in the West. 

1612
01:30:35,650 --> 01:30:40,890
So I was like, this is like a 
whole new thing where you have 

1613
01:30:41,290 --> 01:30:46,050
these students who make it and 
then somehow like the teachers 

1614
01:30:46,050 --> 01:30:47,970
also in the same sentence. 
Why? 

1615
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:50,490
Yeah. 
That's really interesting. 

1616
01:30:50,490 --> 01:30:53,010
Because you know how you said 
like this drama kind of felt 

1617
01:30:53,010 --> 01:30:56,130
like a bit old school to you, So
this part of it? 

1618
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:59,750
Felt very old school to me 
because I think that's quite, 

1619
01:30:59,790 --> 01:31:02,070
it's quite an Asian confusion 
concept, you know, the whole 

1620
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:07,950
like confusion thing of a master
and their like their their pupil

1621
01:31:07,950 --> 01:31:11,510
and how a successful pupil 
reflects well on their master. 

1622
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:14,390
So for me, it felt like these 
were kind of themes that had 

1623
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:18,630
been so the fact that they these
two quite bitchy professors and 

1624
01:31:18,630 --> 01:31:20,750
they're like at each other, like
the whole the two women 

1625
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:23,350
professors, yeah. 
It felt really. 

1626
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:26,400
Old school to me, so actually I.
Ended up kind of enjoying it 

1627
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,200
because I found that bit like a 
little bit melodramatic, like 

1628
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,120
melodra, like old school 
melodrama. 

1629
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,840
Like they were just, it was like
it was just so OTT and they were

1630
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,720
just so bitchy and they just 
hated each other so much that I 

1631
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,000
was like, OK, I'm just this 
bit's not like this is just the 

1632
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,560
mellow butt of this drama. 
Like they're kind of like taking

1633
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,080
the P rather than it being like 
a true reflection of kind of 

1634
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:50,960
might might go on in the 
classical world. 

1635
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,280
So that's right. 
Yeah. 

1636
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:53,920
So it was. 
It was a. 

1637
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,040
Little bit. 
Trying to watch and to have the 

1638
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,040
students get in the crosshairs 
of these petty rivalries and the

1639
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:06,320
those two music professors who 
don't one actually did teach the

1640
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,120
students. 
It felt like yes, whenever. 

1641
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,800
She was having the private. 
Lessons with that one girl who 

1642
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:17,680
had a a really overbearing mom 
she was teaching her. 

1643
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,240
On the other hand, whenever we 
saw the other professor with 

1644
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,000
Chesuna on those private 
lessons, it was. 

1645
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:27,990
I was like, how is Jason, like, 
keeping it together? 

1646
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:29,670
Because she's not even paying 
attention. 

1647
01:32:29,670 --> 01:32:32,710
She's not giving her any notes, 
She's not teaching her anything.

1648
01:32:33,870 --> 01:32:34,950
And. 
Then she had to do the. 

1649
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:38,550
Event and then not get invited 
like she did all that work and 

1650
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:43,110
then so angry I was. 
Livid. 

1651
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:47,950
I was livid when that professor 
said. 

1652
01:32:47,950 --> 01:32:50,110
That that she was. 
Like, oh, I only invited the 

1653
01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:54,150
best students, the best players.
And so of course you're not. 

1654
01:32:54,890 --> 01:32:58,370
A member of the Chamber 
Orchestra which the chamber. 

1655
01:32:58,850 --> 01:33:00,890
Itself was like a pyramid 
scheme. 

1656
01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:03,130
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It was a. 

1657
01:33:03,210 --> 01:33:07,370
Ponzi scheme, yeah, yeah, yes. 
The students, the players 

1658
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:11,610
themselves, were buying all the 
tickets and. 

1659
01:33:11,610 --> 01:33:14,010
They were the like. 
There was no, Oh my God, it was 

1660
01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:19,130
so frustrating. 
But I I just couldn't get over 

1661
01:33:19,130 --> 01:33:22,530
that that bitch of a violin 
professor who? 

1662
01:33:23,410 --> 01:33:24,570
I mean. 
Even later. 

1663
01:33:25,130 --> 01:33:29,010
She's at some sort of event from
the KYUNGSU Foundation that 

1664
01:33:29,010 --> 01:33:33,050
happens at the school and in 
front of all of the KYUNGSU 

1665
01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:36,210
Foundation girlies. 
The Bitch Violin Professor says 

1666
01:33:36,530 --> 01:33:38,890
you couldn't ask for a better 
wife for a performer. 

1667
01:33:39,170 --> 01:33:42,530
Nowadays women all have their 
own job keeping them busy. 

1668
01:33:42,770 --> 01:33:46,730
But honestly, for musicians like
June Young who go on tour, they 

1669
01:33:46,730 --> 01:33:50,730
need a wife who packs their bags
and manages their schedule. 

1670
01:33:51,230 --> 01:33:54,350
That's how they can focus on 
their music only, without having

1671
01:33:54,350 --> 01:33:57,310
to worry about bothersome things
like managing their money. 

1672
01:34:03,310 --> 01:34:05,510
It's a head scratcher. 
It's so. 

1673
01:34:05,710 --> 01:34:06,150
Old. 
School. 

1674
01:34:06,150 --> 01:34:07,990
That's what it is. 
That's the bit that remind, I 

1675
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:09,870
think, yeah, that's the bit that
felt like old school. 

1676
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:12,470
Whoa. 
Whoa. 

1677
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:16,550
And then I love how you had that
Kyungsu nuna go. 

1678
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:19,390
People really just say whatever 
they please, yeah. 

1679
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:21,840
Like. 
People just flapped their. 

1680
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,840
Lips together. 
And she goes. 

1681
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,640
Not everybody. 
Is an adult just because they 

1682
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,840
are older? 
Yes, I. 

1683
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,560
Love her character. 
Oh, I loved her character. 

1684
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,800
I thought she was such a gem. 
I really enjoyed her inclusion. 

1685
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,040
Yeah, in the the whole show, 
really. 

1686
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:38,680
I love. 
I love the. 

1687
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,400
Actress. 
Actually, so yeah, I love her 

1688
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:42,440
too. 
Yeah, that. 

1689
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:46,640
Is I have her. 
Saw Jung Yong. 

1690
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:50,760
Yes, so. 
She is also in interest of love.

1691
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:55,240
But she is. 
But she is playing the mum of 

1692
01:34:55,240 --> 01:35:00,520
Yuyun Suk and I think there's 
like a decade between them. 

1693
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,120
I was just like, come on, now 
she's what? 

1694
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,840
Now she's in. 
She's just like mum roles now. 

1695
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:08,880
It's like she's not that old. 
Guys, come on. 

1696
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,840
So yeah, that was a bit, yeah. 
Anyway, I digress. 

1697
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:14,640
No, it's fine. 
It's fine. 

1698
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:21,930
I think that the whole JYP 
doesn't, can't play piano the 

1699
01:35:21,930 --> 01:35:25,690
way he wants to and never has 
play piano the way he wants to 

1700
01:35:25,690 --> 01:35:27,610
is also really important part of
the show. 

1701
01:35:27,610 --> 01:35:30,970
And really poignant because 
whenever he has these lessons 

1702
01:35:30,970 --> 01:35:36,130
with this terrible, terrible 
competition teacher who like, is

1703
01:35:36,130 --> 01:35:38,770
mentally traumatizing all of his
students evidently and 

1704
01:35:38,770 --> 01:35:40,170
especially JYP. 
Yeah. 

1705
01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:45,730
He's constantly telling him. 
To pander to the judges. 

1706
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,480
And to basically dumb it down 
and play it in the most 

1707
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:54,320
respectable, the most like 
appeal to the the common 

1708
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,760
denominator basically versus 
playing it with the feeling and 

1709
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:04,120
emotion and maybe slight 
difference from the pandering 

1710
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:08,520
like the majority and getting a 
perfect score from like one 

1711
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,280
person and making one person 
feel something. 

1712
01:36:13,650 --> 01:36:16,370
And I was like, that's powerful.
Like we could sit there and talk

1713
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:19,730
about that for a long time, but 
I. 

1714
01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:22,090
Like that and he ends up. 
Saying can I not even play the 

1715
01:36:22,090 --> 01:36:25,010
piano the way I want to? 
And the teacher's like, no, you 

1716
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:27,130
can't. 
It's. 

1717
01:36:27,130 --> 01:36:30,690
Really interesting because 
actually I think it's a parallel

1718
01:36:30,690 --> 01:36:32,890
as well. 
So have you heard of Long Long? 

1719
01:36:32,890 --> 01:36:35,410
No. 
I don't. 

1720
01:36:35,530 --> 01:36:39,310
So. 
Lang Lang is a very famous 

1721
01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:41,590
pianist from China. 
So he's probably the most famous

1722
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:43,550
pianist that China has ever 
produced. 

1723
01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:47,270
And he started when he was 
three, obviously. 

1724
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:49,990
So yeah. 
And he's and he's done 

1725
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:54,550
interviews about how like he. 
He. 

1726
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:57,390
Was basically like pressured 
into doing well. 

1727
01:36:57,430 --> 01:37:02,110
So anyway, I I digress. 
So one of the themes of and as a

1728
01:37:02,110 --> 01:37:04,830
racist element to it as well, 
but one of the themes of. 

1729
01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:08,290
The Chinese classical music 
scene or even the East Asian 

1730
01:37:08,290 --> 01:37:12,130
musical scene is this kind of 
like and again slightly racist 

1731
01:37:12,130 --> 01:37:15,810
kind of viewpoint. 
The East Asian people are very 

1732
01:37:15,930 --> 01:37:22,130
technically good, but not 
necessarily have this kind of. 

1733
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:28,880
Appreciation or this artistry or
this authenticity of voice that 

1734
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,080
maybe Western musicians have 
because they, you know, there's 

1735
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,000
this kind of like because you 
know, like Chinese, there's a 

1736
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,560
Chinese, like a racist Chinese 
trope is that we're all robotic 

1737
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,960
automatons and that we're really
good at that kind of following 

1738
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,080
instructions and doing it. 
Like everybody could do the same

1739
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,400
move at the same time in a 
really orchestrated way. 

1740
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,280
But we can't think for ourselves
because we're kind of robotic 

1741
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,310
like that and so. 
Pianists are like technically, 

1742
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:56,070
so people who do then E stations
that then do the classical music

1743
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:59,830
and learn an instrument are like
technically very proficient but 

1744
01:37:59,830 --> 01:38:02,950
yet don't necessarily have this 
artistry thing. 

1745
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:06,550
So I also thought that that was 
like his teacher was kind of 

1746
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:09,830
representing like that world of 
like be. 

1747
01:38:10,220 --> 01:38:14,340
Somebody who is technically good
and pleases everybody. 

1748
01:38:14,580 --> 01:38:20,060
And don't be too individual and 
express your personality and 

1749
01:38:20,060 --> 01:38:23,940
your you know your emotions 
through your piece and be too 

1750
01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:27,940
idiosyncratic, like because you 
should just fit in because like 

1751
01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:31,100
the Asian thing is to fit in and
not stand out. 

1752
01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:34,540
I am shocked. 
Well, not shocked. 

1753
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:38,700
How do I put this? 
I have never heard that about. 

1754
01:38:39,490 --> 01:38:42,930
Musicians and artists from 
Southeast Asia ever. 

1755
01:38:43,490 --> 01:38:45,210
And so that was shocking in and 
of itself. 

1756
01:38:45,210 --> 01:38:49,530
But I am so glad that you're 
here to have these great nuanced

1757
01:38:49,530 --> 01:38:54,210
takes and and call out some of 
these maybe stereotypes if 

1758
01:38:54,210 --> 01:38:55,850
you're looking at the got it 
nicely. 

1759
01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:59,850
But I. 
Literally, you blew my. 

1760
01:38:59,850 --> 01:39:04,930
Mind right now about that take 
in that viewpoint about the 

1761
01:39:04,930 --> 01:39:09,630
racist stereotype and like. 
I never thought of it like that.

1762
01:39:10,270 --> 01:39:12,750
I never thought and. 
It's just, you know, I come from

1763
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:15,950
a different culture and like, 
individuality is everything. 

1764
01:39:17,550 --> 01:39:19,830
And that's why you've. 
You know, gravitate towards 

1765
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:23,230
certain performers because they 
make you feel a certain way or 

1766
01:39:23,230 --> 01:39:26,390
they talk about something that 
in their lyrics that like speaks

1767
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:29,390
to you. 
And classical music is really 

1768
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:33,950
difficult to make a name for 
yourself to me, because the 

1769
01:39:33,950 --> 01:39:36,870
music has been on the page for 
sometimes centuries. 

1770
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,680
And countless people have played
it. 

1771
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:41,360
Yeah. 
And what are you gonna bring to 

1772
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,760
the table that's new and fresh 
and different? 

1773
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,200
Yeah, no, I totally. 
Wow. 

1774
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,840
Yeah, it was interesting. 
I I felt like that's why I 

1775
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,080
actually appreciate another 
element of why I appreciated the

1776
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,800
drama that it was set in, the 
setting that was kind of had a 

1777
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,280
wider social. 
Commentary I think like on, 

1778
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,640
yeah, like I said that it's very
much kind of. 

1779
01:40:04,530 --> 01:40:07,290
Something that lots and lots of 
people do in Asia just for the 

1780
01:40:07,330 --> 01:40:11,170
extracurricular credits and not 
necessarily in and of itself. 

1781
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:12,610
Romance of it, yeah. 
Yeah, right. 

1782
01:40:12,730 --> 01:40:15,850
Not for. 
Or the love. 

1783
01:40:15,850 --> 01:40:18,850
Of it or the creativity, the 
artistry of it, Yeah, yeah. 

1784
01:40:19,890 --> 01:40:22,690
Yeah. 
I really. 

1785
01:40:23,490 --> 01:40:26,810
I guess the last thing that I 
wanted to talk about about gyp 

1786
01:40:27,450 --> 01:40:32,770
was that he was so. 
Wrecked, like with his soulless 

1787
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:34,730
life. 
That he's lived as a pianist and

1788
01:40:34,730 --> 01:40:39,410
as a student, and that he's the 
golden ticket for his family. 

1789
01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:42,250
The checking account that they 
dip into when his dad squanders 

1790
01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:48,370
more money and he feels indebted
and owned by the rich family, by

1791
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:51,210
Jung Kung's family, who gave him
everything. 

1792
01:40:51,210 --> 01:40:55,970
They gave him his shot, gave him
the foundation money and they 

1793
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:59,170
continually pay his family's 
debts under the table. 

1794
01:40:59,870 --> 01:41:02,030
And it's like he can't live 
without them. 

1795
01:41:03,110 --> 01:41:05,350
Like he can't amount. 
To anything without their 

1796
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:08,230
wallet. 
And it's maddening for him to 

1797
01:41:08,230 --> 01:41:12,510
keep this toxic lifestyle that 
he's and it goes into. 

1798
01:41:12,510 --> 01:41:15,470
Like what we were saying earlier
about he's never been able to 

1799
01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:18,470
enjoy his piano playing. 
Well, this is a huge part of it 

1800
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:23,110
too, that he's been beaten into 
submission and he's been bought 

1801
01:41:23,110 --> 01:41:25,310
and paid for, basically. 
Yeah. 

1802
01:41:26,510 --> 01:41:30,780
Yeah, so the romance. 
Fan in me also loves that hits 

1803
01:41:30,780 --> 01:41:32,820
his setup because he's so 
lonely, right? 

1804
01:41:32,820 --> 01:41:37,940
I love a lonely hero. 
A lonely, damaged hero. 

1805
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:42,740
And yeah, and I I love that. 
I love how they they set it up 

1806
01:41:42,740 --> 01:41:45,300
in the drama. 
Like it's not in your face that 

1807
01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:48,020
this is the thing that he's 
going through that you just kind

1808
01:41:48,020 --> 01:41:51,740
of like peel back the layers and
realize that he, you know with 

1809
01:41:52,180 --> 01:41:56,620
with the whole, like I'm this 
top tier concept, P&S comes all 

1810
01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:59,620
of this top kind of thing. 
And and I thought that the drama

1811
01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:02,860
did a really good and then like 
Kim and Jay himself did a really

1812
01:42:02,860 --> 01:42:04,340
good. 
He was. 

1813
01:42:04,340 --> 01:42:07,220
So it was a really physical 
performance actually because 

1814
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:10,020
they're so introverted and they 
don't say a lot. 

1815
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:14,580
So I felt like they were really 
showing their acting chops 

1816
01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:19,500
through really subtle like the 
way he held his body, the eye 

1817
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:22,820
contact and stuff and like, 
yeah, just really great. 

1818
01:42:23,740 --> 01:42:27,010
I agree. 
I agree when they break. 

1819
01:42:27,010 --> 01:42:31,450
Up which I was fully supportive 
of Jason while breaking up with 

1820
01:42:31,450 --> 01:42:32,410
him. 
Actually, as a matter. 

1821
01:42:32,410 --> 01:42:34,690
Of fact, I was like, yeah, this 
should happen earlier. 

1822
01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:39,850
It's of course raining outside. 
And that's what I mean by in the

1823
01:42:39,850 --> 01:42:43,570
later episodes it gets a little 
cheap with like the K drama 

1824
01:42:43,570 --> 01:42:47,050
tropes and the cliches where 
earlier they had this whole 

1825
01:42:47,050 --> 01:42:48,530
scene where she gave him an 
umbrella. 

1826
01:42:48,530 --> 01:42:49,930
It was raining, he didn't have 
one. 

1827
01:42:49,930 --> 01:42:52,150
She gave him one. 
Then they break up. 

1828
01:42:52,190 --> 01:42:54,470
Of fucking course it's raining 
outside. 

1829
01:42:54,910 --> 01:42:57,470
When she walks out and he gives 
her back the umbrella. 

1830
01:42:57,750 --> 01:43:00,990
Yeah, yeah. 
So I was like I hated it cuz 

1831
01:43:00,990 --> 01:43:02,830
they didn't need. 
It right I. 

1832
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:04,670
Didn't need to do that. 
Well, actually, cuz yeah. 

1833
01:43:04,670 --> 01:43:08,110
And just the other really, 
really, really great scene that 

1834
01:43:08,110 --> 01:43:13,230
I really loved was his initial 
confession to her. 

1835
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:17,990
So, so let me set this up. 
So she he had said, I need to 

1836
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:22,360
have a conversation with you and
I need to tell you something. 

1837
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,920
So she then all starts thinking,
Oh my God, what could he be 

1838
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:27,880
telling me? 
Like, could he be telling me, 

1839
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,000
could he be confessing his love 
back to me or whatever? 

1840
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,680
And then she's all like, really 
tense and nervous. 

1841
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:37,160
And then suddenly he goes, so 
I'm playing the piano for 

1842
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:44,240
talking, and she's just like. 
What the like WCF like? 

1843
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:46,440
Why you tell like why are you 
telling me this? 

1844
01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:49,760
Why is this relevant to me? 
Like you just kind of told me 

1845
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,520
that you were telling me 
something so I thought you were 

1846
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:55,840
here to tell me something big 
like just basically you know, 

1847
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,480
she more thing like one more 
thing that Jung Kung has like 

1848
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,080
Won over her. 
Yes, is. 

1849
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,920
That now suddenly he's her 
accompanist accompanist. 

1850
01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:09,180
And she's struggling. 
Like has been struggling to get 

1851
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:12,300
a good accompanies for her grad 
school audition. 

1852
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:15,780
And it's like like right where 
it hurts, right, Yeah, right 

1853
01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:17,780
where it hurts. 
And then he said that this is 

1854
01:44:17,780 --> 01:44:19,500
the really important thing he 
wants to tell her. 

1855
01:44:19,700 --> 01:44:22,340
And also we as in the audience 
know that he wants to do it like

1856
01:44:22,340 --> 01:44:25,060
cuz he doesn't want her to 
misunderstand and stuff. 

1857
01:44:25,460 --> 01:44:29,540
But my heart's with her. 
I'm just like seriously, like 

1858
01:44:30,060 --> 01:44:31,660
seriously, this is the way. 
Read the room. 

1859
01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:36,910
Read the room. 
Yeah, and then and. 

1860
01:44:36,910 --> 01:44:40,950
Then he drops the bombshell. 
Of like, actually I like you. 

1861
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:43,670
And then they have their kiss 
with the piano and the 

1862
01:44:43,670 --> 01:44:47,830
discordant notes, and now it's 
like, I love the thing, I love 

1863
01:44:47,870 --> 01:44:51,790
the scene. 
Yeah, that's a really good A+ 

1864
01:44:51,790 --> 01:44:54,430
scene and I. 
That then they come up with that

1865
01:44:54,430 --> 01:44:55,670
thing. 
Between them, that's like, tell 

1866
01:44:55,670 --> 01:44:58,030
me the important thing first. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1867
01:45:00,230 --> 01:45:01,870
I really like that too. 
I. 

1868
01:45:01,910 --> 01:45:05,310
Really love that too. 
Yeah, so. 

1869
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:08,950
This was OK for me in the 
episode. 15 they both get. 

1870
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:11,950
And this is done in like a 
montage sequence, so it's not 

1871
01:45:12,110 --> 01:45:16,470
dwelled upon that much. 
But she gets sick because she's 

1872
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:20,350
decided to give up the violin 
because that's her great love, 

1873
01:45:20,350 --> 01:45:22,870
right? 
She's loves playing the violin 

1874
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:26,830
and then he gets sick at the 
same time because they broke up.

1875
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,120
Because she was his greatest 
love, not the piano. 

1876
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:31,640
Like, who gives a fuck about the
piano? 

1877
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:38,560
So I I was like, OK, this is OK.
I'll allow this trope of like, 

1878
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,520
oh, they get sick because 
they're heartsick, basically, 

1879
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:45,360
Yes. 
Yeah. 

1880
01:45:45,480 --> 01:45:47,200
Yeah. 
Did you foresee? 

1881
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,240
That Jung Kyung's grandmother 
would die. 

1882
01:45:53,220 --> 01:45:55,500
I was quite shocked actually, I 
think when it. 

1883
01:45:55,700 --> 01:45:58,260
Happened. 
But then I realized, I guess 

1884
01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:00,180
they were telling us that she 
was not. 

1885
01:46:00,180 --> 01:46:01,460
She wasn't. 
She was ill. 

1886
01:46:01,460 --> 01:46:04,100
She was ill. 
She was OK. 

1887
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:06,340
So here's I I agree. 
With you and. 

1888
01:46:06,340 --> 01:46:10,140
I I'm. 
The fact that they were saying, 

1889
01:46:10,140 --> 01:46:12,740
oh, she had a hospital. 
Say she was ill and. 

1890
01:46:12,740 --> 01:46:14,940
People were kind of like 
treating her very gingerly 

1891
01:46:14,940 --> 01:46:16,780
whenever she was out and about. 
That's fine. 

1892
01:46:17,540 --> 01:46:22,420
But she seemed in good health 
the rest of the show, and so I 

1893
01:46:22,420 --> 01:46:24,980
thought we were free and clear 
of some elderly person just up 

1894
01:46:24,980 --> 01:46:26,740
and dying on us in the middle of
the show. 

1895
01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:30,780
Not the case at all. 
You get a really cheap shot, 

1896
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:33,380
right? 
Where Jung Kyung just sent the 

1897
01:46:33,380 --> 01:46:35,980
e-mail was about to send the 
e-mail that she's going to turn 

1898
01:46:35,980 --> 01:46:44,460
down the professorial position 
and her violin string snaps to 

1899
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:47,860
signify. 
Smash, cut the grandma. 

1900
01:46:48,380 --> 01:46:51,460
We're already like, she's 
already dead and we're at the 

1901
01:46:51,460 --> 01:46:53,940
funeral. 
I was like, what the fuck? 

1902
01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:58,260
Like this is so. 
It couldn't. 

1903
01:46:58,260 --> 01:47:02,820
Have been more old School K 
drama in that moment. 

1904
01:47:03,220 --> 01:47:05,800
Yeah, I so agree. 
I so agree. 

1905
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,080
Yeah, he's like, again, we were 
just talking about all this 

1906
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,320
nuance and meaning throughout 
the show. 

1907
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,680
And their journeys are so 
interesting. 

1908
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,640
And then you have like the 
violin snap to civilize that the

1909
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,800
grandmother died. 
I'm like, shut up. 

1910
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:19,760
Like, just shut up, tone it 
down. 

1911
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:21,600
Because we were good up until 
now. 

1912
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:25,840
I felt a bit like it was almost 
like the showrunner, like, came 

1913
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:26,920
in. 
Maybe at that point I said, you 

1914
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,320
know, like, I think you need to 
put these things into your 

1915
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:30,800
drama. 
Like, it's just liberty. 

1916
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,020
Subtle. 
It's too too smart. 

1917
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:36,540
You have to dumb it down to the.
Audience. 

1918
01:47:36,540 --> 01:47:40,220
Yeah, exactly. 
So annoying, but they finally 

1919
01:47:40,220 --> 01:47:44,580
get together. 
And play Brahms for her 

1920
01:47:44,580 --> 01:47:46,220
graduation. 
Recital, yeah. 

1921
01:47:47,300 --> 01:47:49,940
Which I really enjoyed their 
performance I thought. 

1922
01:47:49,940 --> 01:47:53,660
The latter. 
Performances between them and 

1923
01:47:53,780 --> 01:47:57,740
the trio, yeah. 
And his graduation recital as 

1924
01:47:57,740 --> 01:47:59,500
well. 
I was like, these are really 

1925
01:47:59,500 --> 01:48:02,360
good. 
Memorable bits of the show of 

1926
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,280
them performing and they sounded
really good. 

1927
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,360
I did And I think where like Pak
on bins kind of like violin 

1928
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,760
playing and slight background 
and it really paid off because 

1929
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,520
when she's doing the Super 
dramatic like you know, Boeing 

1930
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,240
thing, I'm just like you look so
right. 

1931
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,880
You know, I do not pay the 
violin, so I have no idea, but 

1932
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:25,640
you look like you look the real 
deal. 

1933
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:27,960
And yeah, it was so great. 
It was really good. 

1934
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,000
Yeah, I like the quote that she 
says to him after their 

1935
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,480
performance at. 
Her graduation recital. 

1936
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:35,080
You know, the piece we played 
today? 

1937
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,760
The FAE Sonata means free but 
lonely. 

1938
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,800
But I hope that you can be free 
and happy. 

1939
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,720
Yeah, yeah, that's so lovely. 
It's so lovely. 

1940
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:48,640
I don't understand this is a 
nipic. 

1941
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:50,840
Why did? 
His graduation recital have like

1942
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:55,720
a bunch of songs, and then hers 
just had one song that's so big.

1943
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,120
Like he came in and had a whole 
program. 

1944
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,560
And she just needed. 
Him for the one son. 

1945
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,440
Yeah. 
Yeah, maybe that's just his, You

1946
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:09,080
know, he's the star. 
And she's like, yeah, true that 

1947
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,480
little. 
But I like the. 

1948
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:12,800
Conversation. 
That she has. 

1949
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:18,200
With him after his graduation. 
Recital where he says, I mean he

1950
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:24,200
like they've already broken up, 
she's about to leave and he says

1951
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:28,230
like, I love you. 
Like I'm I'm being selfish right

1952
01:49:28,230 --> 01:49:29,070
now. 
I know that. 

1953
01:49:29,070 --> 01:49:30,710
Like we've. 
Broken up and. 

1954
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:56,850
I hurt you. 
This is so great. 

1955
01:49:31,870 --> 01:49:33,950
But I love you. 
And I think I just regret it for

1956
01:49:33,950 --> 01:49:36,750
the rest of my life. 
If I didn't tell you right now 

1957
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:39,910
and I was like, like, hand over 
heart, I like, couldn't breathe.

1958
01:49:39,950 --> 01:49:44,110
I was like, Oh my God. 
Then she says that she can't be 

1959
01:49:44,110 --> 01:49:46,950
friends with him. 
Yeah, because she loves him. 

1960
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:52,190
And then they have this most 
scrumptious kiss backstage. 

1961
01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:54,590
I was like, oh Lord, like this 
is. 

1962
01:49:56,850 --> 01:50:02,690
It was pretty good, yeah. 
Yeah, the last couple of notes 

1963
01:50:02,690 --> 01:50:04,570
that I have have to do. 
His mom. 

1964
01:50:05,050 --> 01:50:08,450
Throughout the show, I was 
thinking she should just divorce

1965
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:11,370
this asshole. 
There's no hopes that I know. 

1966
01:50:11,370 --> 01:50:16,770
I know Ben JYP has this convo 
with his mom. 

1967
01:50:16,770 --> 01:50:18,410
And says mom. 
Get a divorce. 

1968
01:50:18,450 --> 01:50:23,250
I literally gasped. 
So like the gasp that I gust 

1969
01:50:23,490 --> 01:50:26,780
when he goes, he just starts in.
Mom, get a divorce. 

1970
01:50:26,780 --> 01:50:30,540
I was like, that's what I have 
been saying the whole. 

1971
01:50:31,780 --> 01:50:33,300
So direct. 
Love it? 

1972
01:50:33,300 --> 01:50:36,740
Yeah, yeah, he caught me off 
guard and. 

1973
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:39,820
Then couple rings happy ever 
after. 

1974
01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:43,940
And and that's it like I think 
maybe the. 

1975
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:47,020
Show the only. 
Other nippic I have is maybe the

1976
01:50:47,020 --> 01:50:49,780
show should be 12 episodes long 
versus 16. 

1977
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,320
I think that would be a really 
sweet spot so you didn't have to

1978
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:56,120
do the 1.25 speed so that I 
didn't have to. 

1979
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:58,560
Do the 1.25 speed and we 
wouldn't have two love 

1980
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,120
triangles. 
And we wouldn't have a little 

1981
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:05,960
bit of wheel spinning with John 
Kyung and her bullshit. 

1982
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,800
And yeah, it just would have 
been a little bit of a tighter 

1983
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,720
show. 
And I again, really good show 

1984
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:17,600
overall, really enjoyed it. 
I I I No. 

1985
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:20,240
I liked it at 16. 
I would have taken 14 but I 

1986
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,320
think like 12 was maybe a bit 
too. 

1987
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,480
I mean the what the one thing I 
would say that my final point 

1988
01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:28,840
would have been that I'm just 
very glad that they the secondly

1989
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:33,360
didn't end up together. 
Oh my God that's a great point. 

1990
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:35,800
I'm so. 
Glad they didn't, cuz I was. 

1991
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,760
I was, I was like, you know, 
because I really didn't like 

1992
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:41,180
her. 
So episode 14 bit, I think I was

1993
01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:43,740
like, please don't get back 
together with her, don't, don't,

1994
01:51:44,220 --> 01:51:48,380
like, don't give her, don't 
redeem her so much that she is 

1995
01:51:48,380 --> 01:51:50,980
now like, OK to have her. 
Because I thought that's what 

1996
01:51:50,980 --> 01:51:53,460
they were gonna do with the 
direct like her grandmother 

1997
01:51:53,460 --> 01:51:55,740
dying. 
They were gonna like make it all

1998
01:51:55,740 --> 01:52:00,620
like get it all like like 
shmushi and like she was gonna 

1999
01:52:00,620 --> 01:52:03,740
like realize that she'd been a 
bitch all this time. 

2000
01:52:03,740 --> 01:52:06,620
And I was like, please don't 
make that happen because I'm 

2001
01:52:06,620 --> 01:52:09,480
just not buying it. 
And then he goes off to the 

2002
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:14,680
States and I'm like, yes, yes, 
so leave me. 

2003
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:16,240
Find. 
Someone. 

2004
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,920
Find someone who deserves you, 
yeah. 

2005
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,680
Yeah, I agree. 
Oh, the last thing, I guess. 

2006
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:25,800
John Kyung. 
Is Semi redeemed when she 

2007
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:28,760
realizes that she never loved 
JYP. 

2008
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:34,080
She just was comforted by him 
and his presence and his piano 

2009
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,920
playing and was extremely 
jealous of his success. 

2010
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:41,150
And felt inferior because her 
own talent had diminished. 

2011
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:46,030
Yeah, but. 
But again, I didn't buy that 

2012
01:52:46,030 --> 01:52:48,870
either though. 
Because that doesn't like her 

2013
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:50,310
self realization. 
Yeah. 

2014
01:52:51,190 --> 01:52:53,910
OK, Well, no. 
Had self realization if that's. 

2015
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:57,270
Why she liked him like I just 
was a bit like, but then, but 

2016
01:52:57,270 --> 01:53:01,350
then you were basically acting 
like the the jealous kind of 

2017
01:53:01,350 --> 01:53:04,920
bitch, right? 
So I don't like. 

2018
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:07,640
I get like that could be a 
justification for how you feel 

2019
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:09,640
about someone, but that is not 
how you behave. 

2020
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,080
For the majority of this drama, 
she just behaves so badly. 

2021
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,120
She did. 
She just behaves so badly, I 

2022
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:17,680
guess. 
What I liked is that she was 

2023
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,760
actually a good teacher. 
Yes. 

2024
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,120
Yeah. 
So I like that little like, you 

2025
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:25,920
know the the girl was, she saw 
herself in the girl, right. 

2026
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:30,400
And her, her tiger mum. 
And yeah, and having, I think 

2027
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,100
also having her coming to terms 
with. 

2028
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:37,060
What the foundation means to 
each member of her family and 

2029
01:53:37,060 --> 01:53:42,580
how the grandmother, like she 
called her grandma out for 

2030
01:53:43,180 --> 01:53:46,220
thinking that this foundation 
was this like charitable thing 

2031
01:53:46,220 --> 01:53:48,380
that she was doing out of the 
goodness of her heart when 

2032
01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:51,180
really she started this 
foundation because she felt 

2033
01:53:51,180 --> 01:53:56,420
extremely guilty toward her 
daughter who died Junkyung's 

2034
01:53:56,420 --> 01:53:58,380
mom. 
And not having a good 

2035
01:53:58,380 --> 01:54:02,100
relationship with her and being 
very harsh toward her. 

2036
01:54:02,220 --> 01:54:05,580
Yeah, in life. 
And I was like, oh, that's. 

2037
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:08,540
Ooh. 
That's heavy. 

2038
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:11,820
I felt like towards the end, 
like I could. 

2039
01:54:09,020 --> 01:54:13,300
Yeah, that's. 
Buy her like, I don't think she 

2040
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:14,780
had a full redemption art, but I
could. 

2041
01:54:14,820 --> 01:54:20,100
I felt like I could buy a little
bit of, like, hope for her, that

2042
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:23,140
she could be less of a bitch in 
the future. 

2043
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:26,180
Yeah, and she was already in her
30s, like. 

2044
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,120
I feel like by the. 
By the time you're in your 30s, 

2045
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:35,680
you're fully cooked like this. 
You don't grow that much, I 

2046
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:36,720
guess. 
I don't know. 

2047
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:43,520
Yeah. 
This is great and you had such 

2048
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:40,000
great takes and so much insight.
So we Wow, we were on the same 

2049
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:48,080
wavelength for a lot of. 
Cultural relevancy and things 

2050
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,360
that spoke to you that I just 
didn't even pick up on. 

2051
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:53,080
I'm so glad that you came on 
this episode with me. 

2052
01:54:53,610 --> 01:54:56,130
And enjoyed the show. 
Sometimes people come on and we 

2053
01:54:56,130 --> 01:54:58,410
have a good time but the show 
sucked and we were just 

2054
01:54:58,410 --> 01:55:01,130
commiserating the whole time 
because we didn't like the show.

2055
01:55:01,410 --> 01:55:03,250
But in this case we did like the
show. 

2056
01:55:03,250 --> 01:55:06,450
And I do wanna just thank you 
for being so patient. 

2057
01:55:06,450 --> 01:55:09,090
It takes a really long time 
sometimes to produce podcast 

2058
01:55:09,090 --> 01:55:11,730
episodes, as you know, with 
afternoon to ask. 

2059
01:55:12,850 --> 01:55:15,170
But I really appreciate it. 
You've been really, really 

2060
01:55:15,170 --> 01:55:16,770
wonderful. 
And I hope you come back. 

2061
01:55:17,330 --> 01:55:20,130
Oh, I'd love to come back. 
Thank you so much for having me.

2062
01:55:20,130 --> 01:55:21,450
I had a blast. 
Thank you. 

2063
01:55:21,490 --> 01:55:23,210
Oh great. 
Where can with people find you 

2064
01:55:23,210 --> 01:55:25,420
online? 
Sarah So I. 

2065
01:55:25,420 --> 01:55:29,860
Post probably a little bit too 
obsessively on Instagram at K 

2066
01:55:29,900 --> 01:55:32,620
Drama this. 
And then as you said, we've 

2067
01:55:32,660 --> 01:55:37,540
we've just started a brand new 
Baby pod Afternoon Asks, which 

2068
01:55:37,540 --> 01:55:40,260
is a sister podcast of Afternoon
Delight. 

2069
01:55:40,340 --> 01:55:42,900
And I know you've had Leah from 
Afternoon Delight on your show. 

2070
01:55:43,860 --> 01:55:49,780
So we myself and then Grace, my 
cohost is a Korean American. 

2071
01:55:50,620 --> 01:55:53,900
So we're kind of like Asian 
owned voices on this whole K 

2072
01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:57,900
drama many together. 
So we and it's called asks 

2073
01:55:57,900 --> 01:55:59,740
because we have a lot of 
questions, right. 

2074
01:55:59,740 --> 01:56:03,060
So, you know like we watched K 
dramas and we're like does this 

2075
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:05,580
thing really happen. 
So we're we're kind of how to 

2076
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:09,060
ask the questions that we all 
have and bring on a lot of 

2077
01:56:09,060 --> 01:56:12,580
guests and grill them because we
both neither us know everything.

2078
01:56:13,300 --> 01:56:16,660
We learn how to say Korean names
properly with Grace and we learn

2079
01:56:16,660 --> 01:56:18,700
some phrases and and other 
things. 

2080
01:56:18,700 --> 01:56:21,980
So yeah. 
So come and join us on Afternoon

2081
01:56:21,980 --> 01:56:25,240
asks. 
I am so glad that you guys are 

2082
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:27,840
doing those episodes. 
And have. 

2083
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:31,600
Started a really nice like spin 
off of Afternoona. 

2084
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:36,640
I loved having Lee Leon and 
here's some more episodes with 

2085
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:40,200
you guys, both the afternoona 
team coming on Debak. 

2086
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,840
I really appreciate it and 
that's it. 

2087
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:45,590
That's been our show. 
I'm Jessica and this has been 

2088
01:56:45,590 --> 01:57:16,440
the Tebaki Rambles podcast. 
We're turning good time seeing 

2089
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:22,200
us from Hanaman or Hanaman. 
It's in the matter of sugar in 

2090
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:27,600
our sky ground. 
Get some high.