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I'm Jessica and this is Deborah.
Kerr Rambles were a couple of 

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friends review Korean dramas and
I'm excited because I have for 

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my guest today, I have gray. 
Strung, how are you Grace? 

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How you doing? 
Very good. 

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Thank you for having me. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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So Grace. 
You are a comedian. 

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You're a writer. 
And you also have your own 

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kdrama podcast called kdrama 
school. 

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Which I love, I usually go there
for a different opinion because 

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you have such a different view 
on things and I like remember 

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distinctly listening to your the
glory episode and thinking wow, 

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I didn't think about any of 
this. 

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So this is wildly different and 
it made me rethink the drama a 

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little bit. 
So for those who, Who don't know

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you and don't know how you got 
started in kdrama really quick. 

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How did you get into kdramas and
do you care to see how long? 

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Cause I know it's been a long 
time but you get to say like 

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what was your first kdrama or 
Sure. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, the question of how a 

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person gets into kdramas. 
I think is usually for 

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non-koreans, because for me, 
it's like, there's no such thing

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as a kdrama for me. 
There's just tv.you because I 

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was born and raised in Korea. 
So how did I get into Korean TV 

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is just I would turn on the TV 
if that makes sense. 

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Right. 
Because that's just that was the

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media that I was exposed to. 
From the moment that I saw a 

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screen, so that is how I got 
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I suppose, I mean my first 
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that I have in my memory is like
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was a variety show, like it's 
like similar to like PBS's, you 

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know, Sesame Street or 
something, it's called Bull and 

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that used to be on in the early 
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So my parents would just leave 
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And I would watch that as a kid.
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For me, it's there's no like, 
intro to kdramas or the Korean 

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world. 
It's just I'm Korean, you know? 

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So that's the media that I grew 
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Yeah. 
This is wildly different from 

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pretty much every guess that 
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they come from Asian descent, 
they're like, I got into kdramas

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at this age. 
I grew up here and even though, 

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you know, I was exposed to it, I
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This time in my life and this 
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and so forth. 
So I really like that you, it's 

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just part of your DNA. 
It's just how you grew up. 

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I have a similar experience with
the whale has because I grew up 

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watching, Hispanic novellas on 
TV and they were you know, wild 

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and they have their own tropes 
and they have their own like 

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actors. 
And you see often and it's again

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like a very comprable to 
kdramas, it is. 

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It is very comparable. 
Absolutely. 

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going to get started on a review
of go back, couple and I'll get 

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started by reading the Asian 
Wiki. 

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Synopsis it reads Trayvon though
and Mountain Dew are both 38 

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years old and married couple try
bundle has been burdened with 

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being the breadwinner and Majin 
do is a housewife with low 

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self-esteem. 
Even though they loved each 

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other when they married, they 
now hate each other. 

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They both regret marrying at 
such a young age. 

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Each the couple travel through 
time and find themselves as 20 

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year old University students 
when they met for the first 

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time. 
So this aired originally from 

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October to November 2017, it's 
only 12 episodes long. 

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It was directed by Xavier Moon 
and he's directed 18 Again from 

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2020, which is probably a very 
good comparable for the show and

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he recently, I guess later this 
year, he'll come out with you 

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did will die soon which star is 
Puck Saddam and sewing good. 

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Look, it was written by a coin, 
hey Jew, and she's written High 

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by Mama, which is also a 
comparable to the show and the 

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sound of your heart from 2016 to
2017 which starred econ zoo and 

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Dunkleman. 
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me out. 
Like, just let me know where 

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you've seen these two before, 
because I have like, where I've 

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seen them, but this is like the 
first time that I've really kind

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of sunk my teeth into. 
Something that they've done, it 

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feels like so the show Stars. 
Done that up as Majin do and 

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she's been in like sell your 
haunted house. 

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Oh my baby VIP, the last Empress
one more, happy ending, fated to

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love you which is like the big 
one. 

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I think everyone knows her from 
where. 

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Have you seen something that 
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Yeah, I mean where have I seen 
checking that that questions 

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also similar to like, how did 
you get into kdramas and that 

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she was just part of the world, 
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originally, as a KPop star, she 
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successful when she first began.
I think she was starting in like

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the year 2000 and she came out 
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Song at the time. 
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sweet something but it's like 
this really like cutesy bubbly 

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poppy song. 
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her wearing like pajamas and 
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I think we should like, I don't 
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just very like very, you know, 
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Innocent like that was her 
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And that's how she was branded 
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But Chang, that up was so busy. 
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think 2000 or 2001, but she came
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one year. 
She had a she had two solo likes

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two singles that were out and 
she was like extremely busy in 

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addition to that. 
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starring in a bunch of, you 
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I mean, her schedule was insane.
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of commercials right TV 
commercials and Curry, they call

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it a CF. 
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commercials like like like big 
ones, like like beer commercials

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this and that, and she was 
raking in a lot of money and she

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was super busy. 
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about this much later, but she 
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breakdowns because she, they 
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Her managers and her agents, 
like none of them were let it 

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let her sleep. 
Like she was a Workhorse and You

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was completely exploited as this
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just starting out in the 
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Because, I mean, when you look 
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she's like in her 40s now, but 
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It's like a very unique. 
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could not get enough of her. 
I mean, they really worked. 

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Her up. 
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a variety show, that's no longer
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together. 
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I think, like, 2001 or 1999 it 
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almost 20 years. 
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talking about how her managers 
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sleep for five days straight. 
This is because she had to work.

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Yeah, and so she would just like
have these fits and throw things

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out of her. 
Van and she would have no memory

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of it of any of that behavior, 
because she's sleep deprivation,

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right state of mind. 
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exhaustion depression anxiety to
this day tongue. 

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That us suffers from like panic 
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that stem from the work that 
she's done. 

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So when I think of 10 data, I 
think of a, she is immensely 

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talented. 
I mean she is like as a singer 

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as an actress as a A performer. 
She is super professional. 

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She Nails it every time, every 
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just like Blown Away by her 
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She's very good, and she's very 
versatile. 

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And she has excellent comedic 
timing and she has excellent 

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dramatic performance. 
It's difficult to do those two 

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things in equal measure, but 
she's somebody who can. 

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And at the same time, it's like 
given her talents, you know, 

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it's like the industry. 
I mean, she's definitely a 

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victim of the Street and how 
inhumane and cruel? 

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It can be. 
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on the one hand, she's very 
talented. 

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And she has this very impressive
like repertoire when it comes to

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her filmography and her solo 
albums, and her career, not just

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in Korea, but also in Japan and 
China, she's huge. 

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I mean, that's mostly written 
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I made her money. 
She makes it in China where they

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love her so she's done also 
Chinese films. 

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All right, so she's like this, 
Mega how you International Star 

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but she's also a Cautionary 
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When it comes to self care, and 
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And voicing yourself when it 
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resting, like eating like saying
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All right, so, so for me, it's 
like I have a very complicated 

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emotional response when it comes
to China data, but for someone 

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would June, he is like one of 
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kdrama. 
Actors right now, I would say 

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he's not a comedian. 
And he doesn't come from a 

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comedy background. 
I think he's unique in the, he 

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doesn't even come from like, a 
singing background. 

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I don't think he's a KPop star, 
right? 

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Like, he's not a threat, like, a
lot of these know, he's just an 

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actor, but he's such a great 
performer in every show that 

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I've seen him in. 
He's just so funny, but at the 

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same time he's also somebody who
can like handle the weight of a 

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dramatic performance, although 
probably not as not as seasoned 

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as tongue that up. 
I think tongue that is better 

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with their dramatic roles. 
But someone would June is very, 

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very funny and this writer, 
she's written a sitcom, I mean 

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she's written sitcoms like 
writing like sound of your 

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heart. 
That's a sitcom. 

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And because of the writers, 
Affinity with comedy, I think 

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that is why she cast these two 
actors tongue that insulin hojun

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because they're both so good 
with comedy. 

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Yeah. 
So like you said something to 

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doin plays to bundle and like, I
hadn't basically never seen him 

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because I only watched him in 
reply 1994 and hadn't seen much 

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of his other work. 
So this was my first basically 

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experience watching him in a 
cage drama and I was like he's 

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very good because, you know, you
come in with like this notion of

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this character, because he's not
very likable at all. 

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And you leave in your like, oh 
maybe I was like dead wrong 

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about the whole situation and 
that's really tough for. 

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I think an actor to do when 
you're rooting for. 

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Somebody else you rooting for 
another character and he's out 

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here, kind of changing your 
mind. 

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So I really liked both of them. 
I love tongue that and I wish 

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it. 
I saw her more stuff. 

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The last time I saw her was in 
the last Empress, which was, I 

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had no idea, was a crazy wide 
had no idea was a mock tongue 

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drama. 
Yeah, it's a. 

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It's like it's like the Pinnacle
of mcjunkin woman. 

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The woman who wrote it has 
written many, many mugs. 

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And she's very famous for 
writing about Jung. 

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So yeah, that's I had such a 
crazy one. 

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I didn't know who was behind the
lens. 

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I didn't know who wrote it. 
I just started it, like, on a 

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whim and most complete as a 
crazy. 

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Why I didn't even, I couldn't 
even finish. 

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It was very long, that's a fief,
it's very stressful, it's 

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stressful stressed, you're 
right. 

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Yeah, so that's my experience 
with the the two leads and we do

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have a giant ensemble cast year 
and we can get into the maybe 

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later. 
But what did you think? 

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I think it's been a while since 
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what are your three General? 
Thoughts on go back couple. 

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I mean, I I was mostly watching 
it because I grew up as a fan of

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tongue that, uh, so that was the
draw from me. 

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So when would you in was just 
like an added bonus. 

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I had seen someone who June in 
the light in your eyes as well, 

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which is very small drama with 
Kim Hedges. 

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Which, you know, who's like a 
veteran actress and I had also 

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seen him with what's her face 
with some Geo in. 

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Another drama I think. 
It's like, was it love or 

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something where he plays like 
this, you know, like it's like 

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oh is he the father of my baby 
like that kind of thing, right? 

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But he's in he's done work. 
But yeah. 

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You're right. 
Like reply 1994 is the Big 

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Splash for him but yeah I mean 
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usually the Stars, the stars are
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kdramas I mean for any film or 
TV Evie. 

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It's like, you go and watch it 
because you want to go and see 

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like, Charlize, Theron you want 
to go and see Hugh Jackman, 

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right? 
So you're going to see these 

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movies so it's like the same for
any any media but also what's 

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his face? 
That tall, sexy guy, danke 

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young? 
Yeah thank you. 

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So chunky. 
Oh was another draw for me? 

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Because I had only seen him like
Once prior in an earlier show 

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that came out like, um, like in 
2014, I think it's called, 

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that's okay, it's love. 
Yes. 

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And he played a very small cameo
role in that show, and that's a 

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show I've watched many times, 
and I was like, who is this 

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tall? 
Sexy, dude, like, what's his 

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deal? 
And I think that was sort of 

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that Cameo appearance was like 
his like foray into Korean toy 

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because he's a method actor. 
Right? 

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You comes as a model so he's not
like a trained actor. 

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He's just a pretty face on this 
show. 

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He was also just playing this 
model pretty face, but I was 

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like, oh, he has my attention 
like he's pretty cute. 

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Do I think he's a good of an 
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No, he's not. 
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that like there's potential 
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that this this is a star in the 
making kind of thing so he was 

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also a big draw for me. 
And You're right. 

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Like, you know so one which is 
character is a dick. 

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He's so like selfish and he's 
so, you know, just yeah, like a 

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selfish, dude. 
But so is. 

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So is tongue that has character?
I mean, Ginger was also a 

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selfish character, like, they 
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the reason why I think you, and 
I feel more for children because

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we're women. 
Yeah. 

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Like, that's why and this is a 
show that was also written by a 

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woman and It's dealing with a 
lot of women's issues. 

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So that's why, you know, we feel
a little bit more connected to 

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change of character than Panda, 
but I was definitely rooting for

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chinju to get with chunky. 
Oh, oh my God. 

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Whole time the whole time. 
I was like no, leave punto. 

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Go with the tall sexy Rich. 
Dude, make a better life for 

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yourself. 
You have you get it second 

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chance to start over? 
No no no no no stop repeating 

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the same mistakes. 
Right. 

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So for me, it was like if 
there's a message here, it's not

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that you should go do the same 
shit over again. 

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It's like know, when you get a 
renewal, when you get a second 

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opportunity in life, do the 
crazier Choice, make the crazier

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decision, right? 
Go. 

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And yes, you deserve that really
tall drink of iced tea. 

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Go get him. 
You know right. 

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Leave behind chip on door. 
Yeah I think that was my what 

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those are. 
My questions. 

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I was going to ask you whose 
side were you on in the 

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relationship? 
And yes. 

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Absolutely. 
I was on a cutting that aside 

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because like genocide because 
we're women, but also her story 

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was way better explained and 
told, and you just feel so 

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empathetic and sympathetic 
toward her plate. 

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Her kind of doing the bulk of 
the raising of their child and, 

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you know, to then do is like, 
not. 

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Present at all. 
And yeah, he's hustling out here

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trying to make money and put 
food on the table. 

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But like, that's a very 
patriarchal like responsibility 

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that he's put on himself and, 
you know, her character not to 

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get too much into spoilers but 
her character it places so much 

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emphasis on him being present on
him, just supporting her by her 

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by him just showing up right. 
Like bare minimum just be there 

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and He's like surprised he's he 
has like a revelatory experience

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toward the later half of the 
show where he's like, oh yeah, 

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like I was never there. 
And it's like that's like bare 

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minimum. 
Just be there and that was very 

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frustrating. 
It's very like, yes, finally you

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got there homey but like it's 
very frustrating to watch when 

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you're rooting for, you know, 
Majin do like her character and 

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I wasn't like on his side so 
that like that answers, that 

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question. 
The second question, would you 

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also like sort of answered was, 
who did you want her to end up 

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with and why? 
And like, absolutely, I agree. 

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With you that you want her to 
end up with the second male 

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lead. 
Because not only is he like a 

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better a safe bet on in the 
past, he's a safe bet in the 

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future. 
She knows how his life turns 

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out. 
It's a great life. 

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He's like a billionaire or 
something like that, he's 

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extremely successful, still 
single in the present day or 

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whatever. 
And you know, why would she not 

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try something different when she
knows how the relationship could

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turn out. 
Like, she knows the worst side. 

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Of turbine do and she still 
chooses to sort of go with that.

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So it is quite a journey that 
they go on and it's only 12 

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episodes. 
But did you have any thoughts on

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the OSD? 
I thought it was just like a 

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little bit like one song stood 
out and that was it. 

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But I don't know if you if you 
have to listen to the OST since 

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watching. 
Go ahead. 

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Go back couple. 
Yeah, I mean I haven't seen the 

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show from beginning to end like 
since it came out like six years

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ago, but I did watch like the 
first couple of episodes just to

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refreshen. 
And what I noticed is that when 

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they do go back, like they're 
listening to these early Kpop 

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songs that came out in the late 
90s. 

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And so I remember recognizing 
that, right? 

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Like, oh yeah, like you know, so
that's its. 

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So it's kind of Of like an 
intertext Force 10 June and that

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you know, in reply 1994. 
There's the same thing like 

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they're playing these 90s songs 
and there are these like 90s 

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Fashions 90s 90s trends when it 
comes to like pagers and cell 

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phones. 
And you know, right? 

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So there was a little, there was
a like nostalgic retro sort of, 

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yes, production design that was 
taking place that was familiar 

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to me. 
Me. 

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And what to me, what that means 
is, oh, like the Millennials who

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grew up from this era are now. 
Yes. 

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Like at this stage, like their 
parents. 

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They're married couples their 
disgruntled married couples. 

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Their couples that are thinking 
about marriage, divorce, and 

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divorce. 
And South Korea's very, very 

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high. 
It's like, at least half of 

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marriages end up in divorce and,
you know, like, I think the show

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It's not really a matter for me 
when it comes to like, oh, am I 

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on like the woman side? 
Or the man side. 

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Like it's not so much about 
that, what it speaks to is a 

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bigger sociological thing, it's 
more than that. 

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It's actually a socio-cultural 
thing in the sense that prior to

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prior to this generation, like 
my generation, the millennial 

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generation divorce, among Korean
couples was completely imbued 

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with shame. 
It was Speakable to get a 

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divorce even when I was a kid, 
like every every family around 

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me, they should have been 
divorced. 

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My parents also should have been
divorced, get a divorce. 

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You'll be happier but know 
they'll grit their teeth, 

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they'll sleep in separate beds, 
they'll ignore one another for 

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years at a time and wait till 
the kids graduate from high 

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school for what? 
Because they are too ashamed to 

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get divorced. 
Because people might Badmouth 

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them but this is a different 
generation. 

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It's where divorce is very much,
an acceptable part. 

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It's in fact, the norm and so 
this couple is at this breaking 

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point. 
They're like well I mean we 

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gotta think about divorce but 
they also are flawed and that 

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they have expectations of each 
other which shouldn't exist in a

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loving relationship of any kind 
to maintain an expectation of 

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another means you Will be 
disappointed, right? 

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It means you will end up getting
a divorce. 

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It means you will not be living 
a life. 

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That is your own because you're 
constantly. 

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You know, you're, you're 
basically turning this person 

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and this person's 
disappointments into your world.

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You're orbiting around this guy 
and all of his, you know, 

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shortcomings. 
That's what your life becomes. 

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It's you giving up your power 
and that's what the couple are 

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doing. 
You know, like jinju's mad that 

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that Don't forgot their 
anniversary, puddle, can't even 

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think about the anniversary 
because he has this asshole of a

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client who exploits and abuses 
him. 

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And not only that but the 
client's wife exploits and 

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abuses him. 
I mean, he is really entangled 

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in their marital mess to make a 
living because his job is so 

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difficult. 
And when we go back in time, we 

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realize becoming a 
pharmaceutical salesperson 

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wasn't his dream career. 
He was obsessed with Cinema. 

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It was movies that he loved that
was his passion. 

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So I think the going back is not
just a journey and their 

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romantic thing. 
I think that is very much like a

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secondary thing. 
I think it's going back and 

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reclaiming who they are as a 
self as an identity. 

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Who am I? 
What were my Joy's? 

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What were my passions? 
What were my dreams? 

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Who was I, when I didn't have 
the responsibility of other 

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people's needs and I think that 
reclaiming is perhaps What's the

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lesson here? 
You know, it's not even about 

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the marriage and the love. 
It's really about, you know, 

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chinju going back and reclaiming
who she is. 

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It's about Pondo going back and 
reclaiming who he is, and it's 

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saying, unless you are hole in 
your individuality, you will 

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never ever be satisfied because 
you're always going to be trying

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to fill that Gap with somebody 
else and that's just not how it 

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works. 
Yeah, so I agree with you like 

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to the max because what I found 
most compelling about the show 

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wasn't necessarily their 
relationship and how the turns 

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out it's them going back and 
rediscovering themselves 

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rediscovering like the joy of 
life and of the Innocence of 

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like not having anything to do 
not having any responsibilities.

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Like what do you do to fill up 
your days? 

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When there are no bills when 
there are no responsibilities, 

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what is your like default and 
they had to get back to that 

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and, you know, going back to the
the you thing. 

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I love when people sort of 
revert or have these 

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Supernatural things happen to 
them and then they have to 

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reassess their lives and 
reassess what they used to do, 

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what they used to like you 
visit, I'm of hopes and promise 

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and dreaming and potential. 
And like you said, like his 

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original dream, was to be 
Korea's top movie director and 

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win Awards, in a claim and 
somewhere along the way that 

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just got lost it fell by the 
wayside. 

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And there is something really 
enticing about just 

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rediscovering. 
That joy and that innocence and 

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youth, and just the energy of 
when you didn't have all of 

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these responsibilities, when 
life didn't beat you down. 

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It's very much. 
Like I like the movie Hook, for 

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example, does the same thing 
where he's like has to 

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re-examine and get back to his 
Youth and reconnect with his 

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inner child, and it's very much.
The same thing for the show, for

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both of them and they go through
slightly different Journeys and 

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it's The emotional to watch that
and it's emotional to see them 

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reconnect with each other as 
well through the course of the 

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show. 
The last thing I want to talk 

448
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,700
about before we cut for just a 
brief spoiler section is what do

449
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,900
you think the show is saying 
about motherhood and Parenthood?

450
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,700
Because I feel like that was a 
huge theme throughout the show 

451
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,700
because you know her 
relationship with her mother is 

452
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:42,300
so integral to like who she is 
as a person and she didn't 

453
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:46,300
realize it until her mother. 
Was was gone and out of her life

454
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,200
and her being a mother herself. 
And then going back to her 20 

455
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,600
year, old self like that, causes
some craziness in her inner 

456
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,300
psyche, and she's very 
distraught and upset cries every

457
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,400
night because she misses her 
child, she wants to be there. 

458
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,500
She doesn't know how to get 
back. 

459
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,900
They don't know how to break the
magic, the spell. 

460
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,000
So I'm wondering how you felt 
about the portrayal of 

461
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,700
motherhood in the Show versus 
father had especially because 

462
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:17,800
tribe on do like Doesn't really 
like it takes a few episodes for

463
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,600
a hint. 
To remember. 

464
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,000
Oh, yeah. 
We have a child. 

465
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,600
And you know, what are we gonna 
do about that? 

466
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Because even if I want to stay 
and make some changes here, I'm 

467
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,300
still have a child's, you know, 
I have a future with a child. 

468
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:33,300
Yeah, right. 
Yeah, I thought that was really 

469
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,200
weird. 
The fact that like Pondo just 

470
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:40,400
forgot that he's a dad. 
It just that didn't seem 

471
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,100
convincing to me or maybe it is.
I don't know. 

472
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,200
Maybe he's a she Eddie dad, who 
knows? 

473
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,700
I really, I don't know. 
The whole thing would change you

474
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:53,100
like that was weird. 
Honestly, I was like, this is a 

475
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,300
little weird just like, this is 
too much crying for me. 

476
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:58,700
Child. 
That has probably exhausted. 

477
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:02,600
This looks really tiresome. 
Yeah, yeah. 

478
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,800
I mean it for me like the only 
way to abstract that into a 

479
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,100
relevant kind of sphere. 
For me personally is just to 

480
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,400
think of it as like, okay, 
perhaps this is like an inner 

481
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,400
child work then Perhaps this is 
you know because like punto has 

482
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,400
like a very specific point. 
It's like oh my dream was to be 

483
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,800
a filmmaker I love Cinema. 
It's like it's very specific but

484
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,700
time that I her character, I 
don't remember her having that 

485
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:30,700
doesn't. 
What was it's like. 

486
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,500
Yeah, well Wisher. 
So your dream was to be a mom. 

487
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:35,100
I mean, I guess there's nothing 
wrong with that. 

488
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,100
There is some women, their dream
is to be a mother and they want 

489
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,300
to be a caretaker and they want 
to put all of their life and 

490
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:43,400
energy and focus on to that and 
that is noble and awesome. 

491
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,000
Good. 
Are you if that is the case and 

492
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,300
perhaps that is the truth for 
this woman, but I was like, 

493
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,100
okay. 
But is that, is that really 

494
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:56,100
truly it and if it is ok, but I 
can't relate to that because I'm

495
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,800
not a mother, right? 
So I just think of it as like, 

496
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,500
okay. 
Maybe this is her doing like 

497
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:05,900
inner child, work to perhaps 
recover from a trauma because 

498
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,000
like when she's in her present 
day her mother's not there, her 

499
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
mother is passed away. 
She's missing But in this like 

500
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,800
redo she's with her mother but 
she's also well now missing the 

501
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,500
fact that she herself is a 
mother, right? 

502
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,500
So I don't know like whatever 
that Journey means. 

503
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,200
Like, I'm not sure what it is 
when the represent the 

504
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,200
representation of motherhood. 
I don't even know. 

505
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,100
But what I do know is that like 
when it comes to Korean media. 

506
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:40,300
I mean, this whole thing of like
motherhood and moms this like, 

507
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:44,300
sort of Maria, the st. 
Mary kind of figure At the the 

508
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:49,400
sacrificial mother to make you 
cry your eyes out. 

509
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,900
So you barf that is definitely a
thing that Korean television 

510
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:58,700
writers know how to use to 
manipulate your emotions into 

511
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:02,000
crying and to turning the show 
into a melodrama, right? 

512
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,000
So for me, it's like that is 
just used as the melodramatic 

513
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:11,800
tool in this romantic comedy, 
right? 

514
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Right. 
I feel like that was definitely.

515
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Or of the melodrama and it 
wasn't necessarily like tongue 

516
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,900
that out with her kid. 
It was her relationship with her

517
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,700
mom who is played by the 
Fantastic. 

518
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,900
Kimmy kyung, I love her. 
She's one of the greatest and 

519
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,200
most who ever graced our key 
drama screens. 

520
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:38,200
I love her and you know I feel 
like that's the best part of the

521
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,400
show. 
Like the look, The love story 

522
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,000
story so to speak between her 
and her mom. 

523
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,400
And Connecting and her just 
being so appreciative and 

524
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,800
grateful of her mom and her 
mom's like, what's gotten into 

525
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,000
you? 
So sorry, that was my phone. 

526
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,400
So anyway, my my instinct is to 
say that like, yes, absolutely. 

527
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,200
In the Baseline. 
The sanctity of like motherhood 

528
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,300
is ever present in the show and 
it is like part of so many 

529
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:11,500
kdramas and so many writers use 
it to emotional effect and it's 

530
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,700
not any different in the show. 
But I don't know, I just felt 

531
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:19,100
like it was really something to 
behold her and her relationship 

532
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:23,000
with her mom, especially knowing
like what the future holds for 

533
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
them, and her trying to change 
it and she can't, she feels 

534
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,700
helpless. 
So it's a lot. 

535
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,500
What would you read the show out
of five, told you bottles, if he

536
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:38,600
five being, like, the best and 
like, zero being terrible, I 

537
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,100
mean do I have to you don't have
to don't have to. 

538
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:47,000
Yeah I'm just I'm just going to 
say no to that because I just I 

539
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000
don't like reading shows with 
stars and stuff. 

540
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,100
All right just to me it's like 
yeah the show the show is 

541
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:58,100
Meaningful to me in some aspects
and in other aspects it's not as

542
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,600
much but yeah definitely 
meaningful. 

543
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:04,900
Okay sure yeah I found that it 
was really light-hearted at 

544
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:09,400
times and obviously a lot of 
melodrama Emma times and the 

545
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,000
motherhood stuff was really 
touching for me and I would 

546
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,200
probably braid it maybe like 
four out of five so two bottles 

547
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:24,000
cause I just like really enjoyed
it and it was perfectly paced. 

548
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,200
I thought like it probably could
have been even shorter than 12 

549
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,300
episodes but I thought 12 
episodes just like proper were 

550
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,600
done. 
We're leaving so episode count 

551
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,600
was good pacing and all that. 
And yeah, so I think we're going

552
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,800
to just jump into spoilers 
really fast. 

553
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,700
So stick around, we'll be right 
back. 

554
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,200
Hey, you want to come in? 
Okay, we're on the other side of

555
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,100
spoilers guys. 
So anything goes and I know that

556
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,500
we've talked a lot about, just 
the journeys of the characters 

557
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:02,100
already and what they've gone 
through, but I do like that the 

558
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:06,200
show, let's talk about, I guess 
a little bit about what's that 

559
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,000
live? 
What's the difference between 

560
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,000
love and familiarity? 
Because I feel like I wasn't 

561
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800
quite clear on them getting 
back. 

562
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,400
Together. 
Was that because they actually 

563
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,500
loved each other was did that 
just because they had been 

564
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,600
together for almost 20 years. 
And so they were familiar with 

565
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,400
each other and they sort of had 
an action plan of what they were

566
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,400
going to change and how they 
were going to love each other 

567
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,000
differently. 
Now, did you have any thoughts 

568
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:40,200
on that? 
Wait, what was the question? 

569
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Do you think it was either? 
They got to back together 

570
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,500
because of Love or because they 
were all right familiarity? 

571
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Uh-huh. 
Uh-huh. 

572
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Love and familiarity. 
I mean, You know, I mean, is 

573
00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:00,500
there I guess there is a 
difference, it's a very minut 

574
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:05,400
difference, but in Korean, 
there's this word called Chung. 

575
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:13,199
It's I guess it's pronounced the
same as my last name, but the 

576
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,800
sign Oak Korean character is 
written differently. 

577
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:21,400
It stems from the Chinese 
character Chun, so the Chinese 

578
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,699
and the Japanese and the Koreans
know what this This word means 

579
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:32,100
and it means it's similar to 
love and familiarity it 

580
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:37,199
basically means a feeling or an 
affection that develops between 

581
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:43,500
people over a course of time. 
So time plays a very big role in

582
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:49,699
developing Chung with somebody 
right so whereas like I mean 

583
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Korean parents from a different 
generate like an older 

584
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,300
generation they Never Go Around 
saying I love my wife. 

585
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,200
I love my husband. 
I'm they wouldn't do that. 

586
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,700
Unless perhaps, you know, they 
were a romantic couple if that's

587
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:02,600
the case. 
Okay great. 

588
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,900
But it was more that was more of
an exception rather than the 

589
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,200
rule. 
The rule was, you know they 

590
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
would say a tongue thrust 
chandragupta or chandrasana, 

591
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,100
which means like damn it. 
Now I'm attached to you damn it 

592
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,900
now now my heart. 
Now my heart is attached to 

593
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:23,200
yours, you know so it's like 
mmm. 

594
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,900
That comes with time. 
It's like it's you know even 

595
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,600
even when like you know when you
watch these like reality shows 

596
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:36,700
like you know like on on MTV or 
whatever like they would like be

597
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,400
in one house like the real world
like they would be in one house 

598
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,600
right? 
And they would just like he 

599
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,300
didn't fight and drink and sleep
and then at the end they would 

600
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,800
all cry cuz they have to go home
and there we go. 

601
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,500
But let's stay in. 
Touch, that's Chong, right? 

602
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,500
They're never going to stay in 
touch all the hate each other. 

603
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,500
They're not in touch anymore. 
Trust me, they're not. 

604
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,500
They just ended up like it's 
this Collective Union that ends 

605
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,800
up happening. 
When you're just around one 

606
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,400
another, you just get attached. 
You just start to feel like an 

607
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,700
affinity and an affection in a 
kinship and it's like, oh, so 

608
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,400
and so feels like my mother in a
way, he feels like a father and 

609
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:12,900
they remind me of my brother. 
They remind me of my best 

610
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:14,000
friend. 
They remind me of a guy. 

611
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,700
I dated, they remind me of a 
woman, I know. 

612
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,200
And it just becomes like this 
little mixture, like a pool of 

613
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,600
affection and familiarity that 
develops and is Is that love? 

614
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,600
Perhaps, in some shallow sense? 
It is. 

615
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,400
But is it love? 
Love? 

616
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,300
Love in the sense that like with
a capital. 

617
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,400
L like all acceptance 
unconditionally. 

618
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,700
No, it's not right? 
It's not. 

619
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,800
So yeah, I would say that with 
these people, perhaps it's 

620
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,100
closer to Chun more than just 
pure romantic love, right? 

621
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:51,700
And it's also Duty, it's a duty,
it's a parental duty to return 

622
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:55,100
to their baby. 
I think that is Motivating their

623
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:59,800
togetherness and it's like if 
that is the agreement then I 

624
00:36:59,808 --> 00:37:01,100
don't think there's anything 
wrong with that. 

625
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,600
Go ahead and honor that 
agreement. 

626
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,100
It's okay. 
You know, like I mean, not every

627
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:09,300
relationship needs to be based 
in love. 

628
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,500
It doesn't, you know, and for 
them, I think it's more based in

629
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Duty for the family, right? 
Yeah. 

630
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,800
Right. 
I feel like the show is 

631
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,100
definitely all about upholding 
these values, right? 

632
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:27,400
Where it's like, The family unit
comes above everything else and 

633
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,800
we need to preserve the family 
and it reads like it goes back 

634
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,900
to that. 
What you were talking about 

635
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:36,100
before the spoiler break about 
how the previous generation 

636
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,600
would just grit their teeth and 
and stick it out just to never 

637
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,700
get a divorce. 
Not just to avoid the stigma 

638
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:46,300
around getting a divorce but 
also to keep this shit together,

639
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,900
you know, like we need to really
rally here because we've 

640
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,200
committed to doing this thing 
and like whether it's raising a 

641
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,500
family or just we made a Thomas 
and like you're stuck with me. 

642
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,800
Whatever the case may be, that 
feels like that's also in the 

643
00:37:59,808 --> 00:38:02,600
DNA of them getting back 
together. 

644
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,600
At the end of the show where I 
found completely like, in some 

645
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,200
ways. 
I was like, wow, thank God. 

646
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,800
And then other ways I was like 
well why she could have went 

647
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,100
with the second male lead. 
Who yes, he wasn't fleshed-out. 

648
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,400
Yes. 
He had typical mommy and daddy 

649
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,800
issues at home but like it could
have been different. 

650
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,500
You know what I'm saying? 
Yeah, yeah. 

651
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:28,000
And I think, I think, I mean, 
there are two things that come 

652
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,300
to me. 
I think the reason why it had to

653
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:34,600
end that way is because of 
jinju's maternal commitment, 

654
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200
that's yes. 
And to honor her maternal 

655
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,600
commitment, she has to go back 
and she has to be with Pandora 

656
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,400
because otherwise it's, it means
to lose her baby, right? 

657
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,600
And for her, that was her, that 
was her, you know, her Destiny, 

658
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,800
her fate that she wanted to 
honor that. 

659
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,500
The other thing that comes to me
now is that That this show aired

660
00:38:55,500 --> 00:39:00,500
on kbs2, which is Korean 
broadcasting systems, which is a

661
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:05,300
public broadcaster in South 
Korea, public broadcasting means

662
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:09,800
that the show that airs on that 
channel must serve the public 

663
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:13,200
meaning. 
It has to be informative and 

664
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,500
have moral standards. 
It has to honor family values 

665
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
and that's the reason why this 
show has the ending that it 

666
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,600
does. 
If it was on TV anime TV series,

667
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,200
E. 
Oh my God, it be way fucking 

668
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,500
crazy. 
Right way crazier? 

669
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,900
It would be like over-the-top 
hallucinatory. 

670
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:33,900
I mean, jinju probably would 
have ended up with Jung Joo, 

671
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:38,200
Young's character, but because 
this is on a Family Channel, 

672
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,100
like, a public broadcasting 
station, and it's oriented 

673
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,700
towards the family. 
It upholds values, like don't 

674
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,000
get a divorce, you know, commit 
to each other. 

675
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,400
You can get through this day 
with the baby and that's also 

676
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,900
tied to South Korea's national 
issues like the giant decline. 

677
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:02,100
In birth rates, the giant, you 
know, Spike and divorces. 

678
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:07,300
And all of it is tied to the 
government's needs for their 

679
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,000
demographics. 
Yeah, this came out in 2017, but

680
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,100
the statistics has only gotten 
worse in that department, for, 

681
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,700
for Korea and the birthrate. 
And it's, I mean, the makes a 

682
00:40:19,707 --> 00:40:24,000
lot of sense that, because of 
aired on kbs2, it was a little 

683
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,800
bit more. 
Tame, I guess in terms of 

684
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Storytelling and in terms of how
this thing ended because she 

685
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,600
could have gone with Jung kyung.
And like, they had really great 

686
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,000
moments together. 
I don't know if you remember 

687
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,700
some of these but like he takes 
her home in a taxi ride because 

688
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:47,200
she mistakes his car for a taxi 
and she like shakily like gives 

689
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,600
him a credit card to pay its 
1999. 

690
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,000
There are no credit card machine
so he just looks at it and gives

691
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,200
it back to her and takes her 
home like no. 

692
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,200
Since asked, she had just reject
him because he's quote, unquote 

693
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,300
smelled like sweat and he just 
like takes her home silently and

694
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:08,600
like that's it. 
He's very like gives her what 

695
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,800
she needs. 
Whether it's space, whether it's

696
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,000
just a ride home and he saves 
her on this like downhill slope,

697
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,000
because she's falling, and it's 
very, like kdrama moment. 

698
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800
Yes, it's very Tropi. 
Yes, we saw it from 50 different

699
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,800
angles but you know, that sort 
of thing. 

700
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:30,100
Was built into the second male 
lead relationship and it wasn't 

701
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:34,000
until the latter episodes that 
you know bundle started coming 

702
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,900
back into the the frame here and
he like ditched his first love 

703
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:41,500
who he tried to get with and was
like trying to get back into her

704
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:45,300
good graces. 
And yeah a lot of the you know 

705
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,600
things that bundle actually does
for her are things that he had 

706
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,500
done before. 
You know, he got her pads at the

707
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:58,800
grocery store and he got her 
Menstrual cramp medication 

708
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,100
because she had her period and 
she knew that she had really bad

709
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,500
cramps. 
And he like massage her back and

710
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:07,900
like this, these kind of motions
that are not new to the 

711
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,900
relationship, they might even be
habits at this point and he's 

712
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,600
just, like doing this for her 
and it sort of bridges, their 

713
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,300
relationship more, especially 
when you know, she's trying to 

714
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,300
think through, like, do I need 
to go pursue the second male 

715
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,400
lead? 
Or should I just, it's kind of a

716
00:42:25,408 --> 00:42:27,800
mother really Mother's 
relationship, motherly 

717
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,400
relationship with him. 
It's not very romantic at all. 

718
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,300
So, this sort of thing, it was 
interesting to me to see how, 

719
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:40,400
like, almost like the writer was
affected, like, halfway through 

720
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,500
the show, they were like, yo, 
you gotta back it off because 

721
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,400
the second male leaves looking 
too good. 

722
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,000
And she needs to get back with 
her husband. 

723
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,200
So, it was like, almost like a 
180, they just stopped. 

724
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,500
She just stopped writing stuff 
about, you know, Donkey, Kong's 

725
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,000
character. 
And Just went full send on the 

726
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,400
husband's character, so yeah, I 
don't know. 

727
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:05,700
I think that set up was just 
made from the beginning. 

728
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:08,700
I mean, like, I didn't turn out 
go back a couple thinking that 

729
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:10,500
they were not going to be 
together. 

730
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:12,700
It's like that's a very obvious 
thing. 

731
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,700
It's like, well, they're the 
lead right there breaking up at.

732
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:20,500
They are going to be back 
together like that's a given but

733
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:24,900
I mean, I thought it was 
interesting how jinju says, I 

734
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:28,300
don't want to date you. 
You because you smell bad. 

735
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,200
And to me, that's like very, 
very telling of the fact that 

736
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,500
they will never end up together,
because I mean, pheromones is a 

737
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,800
big part of Chemistry Between 
people. 

738
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,600
And if you, if you're not 
attracted to somebody, you will 

739
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,500
never ever be attracted to that 
person. 

740
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:46,500
There's no lying about it. 
And yeah, like was not even get 

741
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:51,100
a lot more romantic towards 
chinju by meeting all of her, 

742
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,700
maybe a female fantasies in a 
way. 

743
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,100
Yeah. 
Way better than Pando in a lot. 

744
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,800
Ways. 
But it's like, I mean she's in 

745
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,900
a, you know, a young college 
girls body but she's an Optima. 

746
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,600
Yeah, she's a Middle East woman 
and middle-aged. 

747
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Women don't give a crap about 
romantic, blah, blah, blahs. 

748
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,700
They really don't she really 
comforting. 

749
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,800
Mmm, they want comfort, and 
pandal knows what Comforts her 

750
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,800
like a massage, like going out 
and running an errand. 

751
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,900
That's what she wants and needs 
at this point. 

752
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:27,600
So it's like, the whole, like 
fatalism Awesome theme is very 

753
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,700
big in there. 
It's like if it's not fated to 

754
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:35,500
be it will never ever be no 
matter how good the package 

755
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:36,700
looks. 
That's. 

756
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,500
Yeah. 
All over kdrama. 

757
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,800
But yeah, absolutely. 
And then show, I think what 

758
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:45,600
really didn't sell me on. 
Panda was like, he always put 

759
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,700
her down and he was always like,
oh yeah, you're not pretty. 

760
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:49,900
Oh yeah, you don't look good in 
that. 

761
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,000
Why are you wearing that? 
You're an Optima kept calling 

762
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,700
her ahjumma and it's like, These
things are not like she 

763
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:03,400
obviously feels very low 
self-esteem, like the like the 

764
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:07,500
synopsis said and he's not 
helping her at all. 

765
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:12,400
Trying to overcome that or 
Foster some sort of self-esteem,

766
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,300
make her feel good, make her 
feel loved or appreciated. 

767
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:19,300
And the May Queen competition 
that she competes in she didn't 

768
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:23,000
originally but now that she's 
back in 1999, she decides to 

769
00:45:23,008 --> 00:45:24,800
compete in the May Queen 
competition. 

770
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:29,000
And all the guys are swooning 
and are like pain though is 

771
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,400
mesmerized by her on the stage. 
But again before that just 

772
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,300
before that he was belittling 
her he all over the show. 

773
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,700
It seems like he wants to win 
over her in some way, put her in

774
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:46,200
her place and it was so 
disheartening to see her to see 

775
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,400
him burst her bubble time and 
time again. 

776
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,700
So that was like I mean that's 
an interesting observation 

777
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:59,200
because Was like for me again 
again, just going back to just 

778
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,600
me being like, culturally 
Korean. 

779
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,700
I mean, I'm Korean American but 
I'm culturally Korean as well. 

780
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:10,100
And it's just like being like 
roasty and ribbing is a bit of a

781
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,000
love language among Koreans 
like, interesting. 

782
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000
I mean, I'm a, I'm a comic now. 
So I'm definitely with my tribe.

783
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,600
Like we're always putting one 
another down with love and all 

784
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,500
of it are there all jokes, but 
we can be vicious and I mean 

785
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:30,100
when my comedian friends rib me 
and Rose to me, I mean I find it

786
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:35,900
so funny like and I feel so 
loved and seen by them when they

787
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,200
when they call me out on stuff 
or you know like make fun of me 

788
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,900
like and rip me a new one. 
Like there's I get no better 

789
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:50,000
Greater Joy than when my closest
friends do that to me and it's 

790
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,400
like, yeah, it's problematic in 
a sense because, you know, 

791
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,700
abusive Edwards, do end up 
taking a toll, but in another 

792
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:03,400
sense it's like a habitual thing
that Korean especially Korean 

793
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,300
couples. 
Do to one another thinking and 

794
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:08,000
believing that that is love 
that. 

795
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600
That's a love language and I 
think a lot of couples 

796
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,900
especially when they're older 
they have that sort of routine 

797
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:18,500
with each other. 
And I kind of noticed how you 

798
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,300
brought up the word, self-esteem
multiple times on this 

799
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
recording. 
Whereas I For once, wondered 

800
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,300
about her self-esteem at all. 
Mmm. 

801
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,200
And in the case with jinju, I 
think she had to go back and 

802
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,500
confront this whole like baby 
thing and inner child thing, 

803
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,500
because she was not good at 
loving herself. 

804
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:43,800
Self-esteem is not an issue of 
other people. 

805
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,000
Ultimately self-esteem is an 
issue of can you love and accept

806
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,100
yourself for who and what you 
are in this present moment, 

807
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:54,900
fully and unconditionally, 
that's all it is and it's if the

808
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,300
Answer is no, then it's like, 
okay, well, there are tools and 

809
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,700
there are ways that you can get 
yourself to that place and it 

810
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:04,800
will never ever ever come from a
husband. 

811
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,900
Yeah, no, I completely agree 
with that. 

812
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,400
I think that Majin do was for 
me. 

813
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,700
I saw her constantly crumbling 
whenever he would put her down, 

814
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:21,600
or say, these ribbing comments 
to her, especially, like, going 

815
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,800
back in time. 
Obviously, in the future, I'm 

816
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,800
sorry. 
The present day she was not 

817
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,700
laughing, she wasn't 
entertained, she wasn't feeling 

818
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,000
loved when he would do that to 
her. 

819
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,400
And in the past she almost took 
matters into her own hands and 

820
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,700
she was like, well, even if you 
don't think I'm beautiful, 

821
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,400
everybody here does and maybe I 
am and it's like, she accepts it

822
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,700
for herself and participating. 
In the May Queen competition was

823
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,200
more for her because she didn't 
even win and she was, she felt 

824
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,600
good about it. 
She felt good about performing 

825
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,100
and singing. 
Singing, which again, like, 

826
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:59,800
that's in her wheelhouse. 
Anyway, in tongue that has 

827
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,700
wheelhouse. 
But yeah, that whole competition

828
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:10,200
and the way that, you know just 
her developing some confidence 

829
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,400
on the stage was making him fall
for her. 

830
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,200
Again, making pain do like 
rethink and like he was like oh 

831
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,000
my God, he turned other people 
and he was like does she look 

832
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,800
amazing to you or what? 
And they were like. 

833
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,900
No, not everyone looks like that
like she looks really good. 

834
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,600
Good. 
So again it's just like I don't 

835
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,500
know why he wouldn't think to 
maybe change. 

836
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:35,000
Yes, it's a love language to 
some people, but it definitely 

837
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,200
didn't seem like a love language
to her. 

838
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:42,100
And I think what we can, oh, 
sorry, go ahead. 

839
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,300
Yeah, no just to add, I think it
just means again. 

840
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:48,500
Like it doesn't matter what 
Panda thinks. 

841
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,200
It doesn't matter what pain does
says or does when it comes to a 

842
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,600
healthy self-esteem and a 
healthy ego. 

843
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,800
It's up to jinju herself to go 
and find that and participating 

844
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,800
in events, like the May queen, 
or a talent show or going and 

845
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,900
finding her own thing, right? 
That is going to be the means to

846
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,500
attaining a self-esteem and a 
healthy ego. 

847
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,200
And no matter what Punk was 
says, wouldn't shake her Her if 

848
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,700
she had that subtle that's 
solidity in her like I'm saying 

849
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,100
like when my comedian friends 
rib me and write down, write 

850
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,600
funny as hell. 
I'm not sure if you don't have 

851
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,700
them out of the issues but 
because I don't give a crap what

852
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:37,600
anybody says or thinks about me 
or my body or my opinion, 

853
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:39,800
doesn't matter. 
I like it. 

854
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,700
I love it. 
I love the way I am. 

855
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:43,900
So go off. 
It's okay. 

856
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:47,200
That's the point. 
That's why she had to go back. 

857
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,700
That's why she had to confront 
her. 

858
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,100
Stand that way because she was 
lost, she was totally 

859
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:55,500
disconnected from who she was. 
All she could do was cry about 

860
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:58,800
her dead mother or cry about how
her husband's not meeting her 

861
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,900
needs or cry about how our 
baby's missing is. 

862
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,100
All she could do. 
It always had to do it. 

863
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:07,200
Other people missing but it's 
like no, no, nobody is going to 

864
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,700
fill that up for you. 
You gotta go it and get it 

865
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:12,100
yourself. 
So to me pain, do it didn't 

866
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:15,400
really bother me as much. 
Yeah, I think she there's a 

867
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,100
scene at the beginning of the 
show where she is out and about 

868
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,200
with her. 
Be in the stroller and she has 

869
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,900
like a stain on her shirt and 
she looks really run down and 

870
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:28,200
she's self-conscious by just one
person like looking at her. 

871
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,100
She's feels very self-conscious.
She tries to hide the stain and 

872
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,600
you know it's all about I think 
in the past like you said it's 

873
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,500
going back and just finding that
place where she feels beautiful 

874
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:46,500
all on her own and absolutely 
like feeling beautiful in the 

875
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:50,900
present day. 
Like, Nothing to do with like on

876
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:53,200
do at the end of the day and 
I've had everything to do with 

877
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,000
her and how she saw herself. 
I do wish like really quick, 

878
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,800
like, going back to that note 
that you were like, she doesn't 

879
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,200
really have a dream when she was
in her 20s. 

880
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,100
And I do feel like that's a Miss
on the show because like tomando

881
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:10,200
had such a clear, like, oh, I 
love movies, he had all these 

882
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,500
movie posters which were great 
to see. 

883
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:14,900
Like, yeah. 
Brad Pitt from Legends of the 

884
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,800
Fall, and Titanic, and Truman 
Show, and ghosts and Leon the 

885
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,700
Professional. 
All these. 

886
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,300
He's different movie posters and
you could tell that he was a 

887
00:52:21,308 --> 00:52:23,900
movie buff. 
And he really liked that was 

888
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:28,200
part of his personality. 
And in going back, she didn't 

889
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,300
have like these touch points 
that you were like, oh, she like

890
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:33,900
to do this or oh, she was into 
that back then. 

891
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:37,700
She had this dream and it wasn't
explicit that she wanted to be a

892
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,300
mother either. 
So I was like, I don't really 

893
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:43,800
get like what the, what her what
she was aiming for. 

894
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,900
She was a history, major, but 
like she didn't seem that 

895
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,300
interested in History either. 
Yeah. 

896
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:51,400
I feel like that. 
Yeah. 

897
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,200
And I think I think that's the 
reason why she had self-esteem 

898
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,900
issues. 
That was the reason why when 

899
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:59,800
she's an older woman like she 
feels like she's empty and 

900
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,300
missing and they're all these 
gaps and it's like I don't think

901
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:07,700
the show was trying to falter 
for that know the show was just 

902
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:11,300
revealing to know, it was just 
revealing to everybody. 

903
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:15,400
It's like some people at a 
certain point in their lives 

904
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,100
look back and realize that their
life has been that empty That 

905
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,700
that they've been dictating 
their whole lives around, fears 

906
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:27,100
and expectations of other people
and it could, it could happen at

907
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:30,800
age, 7 or it could happen at age
70. 

908
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,800
It doesn't like, there's no way 
to know and it's like, for some 

909
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,000
people, like, when they reach 
that Pinnacle of divorce, a lot 

910
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,500
of the times, it's that I have, 
I have I have friends around me 

911
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:45,200
now who are getting divorced, 
because they're, like, I didn't 

912
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,000
know who I was, and I think 
that's what's And ginger because

913
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,000
it's like she didn't know who 
she was. 

914
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,500
And that's why she felt lost all
the time. 

915
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,600
But what she did know is once 
she became a mother, it's like 

916
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:01,800
now, I know who I am. 
Now, I know I have a sense of 

917
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,100
purpose and it's like, that is 
just as honorable and okay, you 

918
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,800
know, and that's why she had to 
go back. 

919
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,900
So the show is actually very 
nuanced and complex and being 

920
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,500
able to deliver some kind of 
painful truth. 

921
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:20,800
That could actually be Eating 
Lee traumatic when a woman 

922
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,600
especially in her late 30s or 
mid 40s or whatever, when they 

923
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,300
suddenly confront that and 
that's actually the case with a 

924
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:33,300
lot of Korean mothers. 
A lot like countless Korean 

925
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:38,300
mothers because patriarchy is so
like such a Stranglehold in that

926
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:42,200
country. 
So I want to wrap up with just 

927
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,100
looking at some of the comedic B
because you're a comedian and I 

928
00:54:45,107 --> 00:54:48,800
don't know if you remembered 
some of these things but they I 

929
00:54:48,808 --> 00:54:52,300
think the friends had like a 
Bruce Lee outfit going on for 

930
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:54,900
much of the show and they even 
comment on it. 

931
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,100
And that was pretty funny to see
the long hair on yoo-kyung, who 

932
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:03,700
plays the character duck chick. 
I don't know if you remember 

933
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:08,100
that scene, how they revealed 
it, they were being punished in 

934
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,600
there. 
It's not a club. 

935
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:16,600
It's like their major They were,
I can't remember engineering. 

936
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,200
I think they were engineering 
majors and they were being 

937
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,700
punished in a written one of the
classrooms. 

938
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:25,200
And they were like, man. 
I just wish that a girl would 

939
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,300
like come through and save us 
because they were like, this 

940
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:30,900
whole thing will end if by some 
miracle, a girl walks in the 

941
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:34,600
room and they think that a girls
walking up into the room and 

942
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,700
it's actually Yi kyung because 
he looks his silhouette. 

943
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:42,300
Looks like a girl, which is a 
pretty nice bait and switch. 

944
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:46,100
Yeah, can become be tagged wise.
I thought it was really funny. 

945
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:49,300
Yeah. 
The flashback of her getting 

946
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:52,400
freaked out by The Ghost and 
Library which isn't really a 

947
00:55:52,408 --> 00:55:55,400
ghost at all. 
And they put the psycho musical 

948
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,100
score over top of it, which I 
thought was brilliant. 

949
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:05,000
It's not even like the actual 
It's like the opening credits of

950
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,800
psycho, which I thought was 
like, who's gonna know? 

951
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,100
This is particularly a psyche 
from the Psycho movie. 

952
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,900
Yeah. 
And then they spoofed to kdramas

953
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:19,000
as well, they spoofed Goblin. 
They started playing like the 

954
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:25,400
Beautiful Life song from Goblin.
And then they also spoke 

955
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,100
descendants of the sun with like
a clear. 

956
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:32,400
Rip, she drops a handkerchief 
and the guy comes and looks All 

957
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,600
the part of some dookie and I 
thought those were really good 

958
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,700
moments. 
Did you did you have any moments

959
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:40,600
that you remember being really 
funny to you? 

960
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,600
I mean, like again the writer is
a comedy writer. 

961
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,000
She's a sitcom writer. 
So it's like, that's a given. 

962
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,600
I feel like comedic, not so 
much, but perhaps like a 

963
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:03,400
satirical sort of moment that I 
appreciated on this show is the 

964
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,100
scene. 
I think it was an episode 2. 

965
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:12,900
When change is walking somewhere
and a guy on campus Apus grabs 

966
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:16,600
her by the wrist and yank sir 
towards him and he's a stranger.

967
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,800
She don't know who he is, but 
there's like a slow-motion 

968
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,400
effect. 
It's like romanticized, but 

969
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,900
she's like not responding in a 
romantic way. 

970
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,200
She's kind of like what the 
hell, you know? 

971
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,200
And I was like, oh, this is 
great because they're the 

972
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,100
creators of the show are 
spoofing on that Trope of the 

973
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:41,300
wrist, grab him like like for 
me, I bark about it all the time

974
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:44,700
on my Cast. 
But I hate that moment because 

975
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:48,300
it's like, first of all, why how
dare you write like that's her, 

976
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,400
that's her wrist. 
Yeah. 

977
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,700
Like why are you yanking her 
around toward that's very 

978
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,400
aggressive and violent and 
unnecessary. 

979
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,500
It's not cool. 
You know? 

980
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,600
And the show was satirizing that
it's like, yeah, this is in 

981
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Korean dramas all the time and 
they frame it at a romantic 

982
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,900
Meson son, but it's not. 
Okay, stop doing it, you know, 

983
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,300
right? 
And so I appreciated that 

984
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:13,900
moment. 
Yeah, I like that move into. 

985
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,600
We need to have more like we 
need to do satire on more tropes

986
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,800
but yeah, that was a really good
one. 

987
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,100
Well, I think we're coming to 
the end of the episode coming to

988
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:31,100
the end of my notes. 
So do you have anything to add 

989
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:37,000
before we get out of here? 
I have a podcast called K trauma

990
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,400
school, which you can go and 
visit a kdrama school.com. 

991
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:47,500
I also have a book that will be 
coming out early in 2024. 

992
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,800
It's called kdrama school and 
it's a pop cultural inquiry into

993
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,100
Korean TV dramas and why we love
them. 

994
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:59,700
So you can visit my website, 
kdrama school.com, / book. 

995
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:03,300
And if you want to subscribe on 
the email, you will get. 

996
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:06,500
Pre-order link once the book is 
out. 

997
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,200
Sweet. 
Yeah, please support me. 

998
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,400
They're awesome. 
Thank you so much for coming on 

999
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,000
Grace. 
I really appreciate it. 

1000
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:15,000
And that's been our show. 
I'm Jessica and this has been 

1001
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,900
about key Rambles podcast.