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Yes. 
So Rico, today we are going to 

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be reviewing a show called W Two
Worlds and it's 2016 show. 

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Do you want to give us the my 
drama? 

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Listen abscess. 
Yes, I will go ahead and do 

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that. 
It starts off with Osamu the 

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father of a cardiothoracic. 
Attic surgeon. 

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Oh youngjoo. 
That is the name mysteriously 

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goes missing while writing the 
last chapter of his webtoon. 

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W eun-joo goes to his office 
looking, but a hand from his 

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monitor suddenly pulls her in 
and she finds herself on top on 

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the rooftop of a building. 
Next to a man who is bloodied. 

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She manages to save the person 
only to realize that he is. 

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Kang Chul at that is I just want
to make sure that I'm 

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pronouncing it, right? 
He is the main character of his 

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father of her father's webtoon. 
Yoonjoo later. 

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Discovers she can only enter and
leave the webtoon. 

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Depending on Kang Joel's 
feelings, thanks for that Rico. 

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That's basically episode 1 of w.
It originally aired from July to

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September 2016. 
It is 16 episodes long and we do

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have some housekeeping to get 
out of the way. 

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It was directed by Jung daehyun.
He directed, Queen of reversals,

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the King, two hearts with ha 
jiwon and Lee seunggi. 

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Those are two Hollywood stars 
right there, great show. 

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If you haven't watched it 
already, he also directed by Don

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in the magistrate Cunning Single
Lady. 

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She was pretty with pox o June 
and, of course, I'm not a robot 

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from 2017, it was written by 
seong Jae Joong, she wrote 

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queening yawns men, which is 
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If you haven't seen it already, 
I highly recommend that 2012 

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show and sung. 
Jae Joong, also wrote memories 

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of the Alhambra from 2018. 
You can catch that show on 

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Netflix if you want to watch it,
although I watched it, it 

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sucked. 
I did not like it at all. 

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I actually I wrote a review on 
the Dybbuk blog as well if you 

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want to see my raw thoughts on 
that show. 

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Okay, so w Stars. 
Lee Jong Suk. 

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As Kang jaecheol, this guy is 
very popular. 

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Um, he's been in a bunch of 
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I feel His first real Cameo was 
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I don't want to say Cameo. 
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basically India garden and 
that's a major major show. 

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I can hear your voice. 2013 
Doctor, Stranger Pinocchio While

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You Were Sleeping romance is a 
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Is his most recent drama from 
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Also on Netflix also sucks and 
then it also Stars Han hyo-joo 

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as oh youngjoo she mostly does 
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These and TV. 
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she was very young. 
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the TV show spring Waltz from 
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And then she was also a 
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soggy and then donkey, which is 
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I really like her movie, Her 
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called always with, so jisub, 
which is like one of my first 

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kdrama crushes was so jisub. 
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years old and I'm like, all in 
this movie with so jisub. 

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It's a tearjerker. 
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Masquerade in 2012, love 911 in 
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That's a rom-com. 
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2015, which has a very 
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So you could watch the Beauty 
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Beauty inside kdrama as well. 
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go with her dad in the show Kim.
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Okay, so now that we have all of
that out of the way, we have the

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cast with the directory of the 
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go. 
What did you think of w? 

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So w has a very interesting 
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think of the 1984 music video 
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You're not wrong, gets pulled 
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The comic book is its own world 
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outside world affect the comic 
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Interesting premise, like yes it
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So Leah rounding and that's why 
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ratings and stuff. 
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that premise is so unique. 
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I didn't like it. 
How they fumbled this. 

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And this, in my view, this is 
something that I warned you 

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about in the previous reviews 
that we've done in our 

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conversations is that you might 
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strong. 
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bang, right? 
It's a strong premise, strong 

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premise really great characters.
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way, they just lose their shit 
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just gone. 
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pretty much know because I think
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intrigued by the premise but as 
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feel like it was spinning its 
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story was dragging out too long 
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but I did not really like either
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Oh, really. 
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it felt like to me. 
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I'm just gonna withhold my 
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So you can keep going. 
You know what, it felt like to 

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me especially Lee jung-soo. 
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He felt Not believable as like 
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there's a lot of moments where 
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to do, like, life-threatening 
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Yes. 
And I did not find it believable

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at all because he looks so fresh
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So young. 
So model is Schleck. 

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He was like they just he started
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And so I think that's the 
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So it kind of reminded me when 
all these like freeform, CW 

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shows, just grab like really 
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People just are in like these 
dramas that they make, and you 

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can tell that they don't quite 
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And he did not quite have the 
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moments where he's trying to 
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And I'm just like, I'm not 
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So, and then on top of that. 
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What Han huge. 
Oh yeah, who plays? 

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Oh, Yoon Joo. 
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I'm not saying she is exactly 
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Flowers. 
She's not like that. 

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All right, hold on, hold on, I'm
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Okay, what I'm saying is that 
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I'm looking at her character or 
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And I'm, I'm just like, I don't 
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seeing from her, you know, I'm 
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And it kind of got me to the 
point where I'm trudging through

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episodes to get Get to a payoff 
that in the end I didn't like or

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I didn't really care for uh-huh.
And it kind of, It kind of had a

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problem with, you know, it's a 
great premise and they didn't 

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know what to do with it. 
They didn't know how to do 

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something very interesting or 
very fulfilling with it is what 

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I'm, that's the problem. 
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Okay, so my thoughts are, I will
I have to take it back because I

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watch this witness originally 
aired. 

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Okay? 
And I really enjoyed the first 

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half of the show and to be quite
honest, I remembered exactly the

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first eight episodes of the show
in re-watching, it it was very 

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clear to me. 
I was like, oh yeah, this 

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happens. 
Oh yeah. 

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They say this. 
Oh yeah, this person does this. 

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So very memorable to me the 
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And I would argue that the first
eight episodes are the best 

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Eight Episodes of the whole 
show. 

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Um, and the feeling that I had 
while watching W originally back

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in 2016, was that I really like 
these characters. 

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And I really love this premise. 
It is extremely unique. 

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It is catchy. 
However, the way that they 

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decided to take the plot and 
this, I felt originally Lee was 

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bogus it was total bullshit. 
I felt like they didn't know how

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to end the show. 
Look the writers were grasping 

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at straws that they, they just 
made it super convoluted because

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they seem to be writing 
week-to-week instead of feeling 

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like they had this whole entire 
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and a clear-cut ending of where 
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And in re watching it, I feel 
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it. 
Like that scene where I wish so 

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much better for these characters
and for these actors and for 

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this, you know, whole world that
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I just want it to be better. 
And I wish that they had taken 

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it in such a different direction
and I don't know what that 

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direction should be, but it was,
it's not this. 

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No, it's not what we got. 
So yeah, it's kind of hard to 

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say, you know, it should have 
gone in this direction when we 

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don't know, Know what it should 
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not this. 
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You know what? 
It kind of reminds me of it 

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reminds me of another show that 
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or 2010's called Flash Forward. 
It was with a Joseph Fiennes Ray

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Fiennes brother and John Cho 
like it had like some good 

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people on it but basically the 
premise of the show is that 

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basically A series revolves 
around the lives of several 

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people as a mysterious event 
causes nearly everyone on the 

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planet to simultaneously lose 
Consciousness for 2 minutes and 

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17 seconds. 
How does that remind you of? 

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Wa. 
Hold on. 

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No, no. 
The reason why is because it 

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starts off with a very 
interesting premise. 

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Like, wait a minute. 
Everybody on Earth. 

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I blacked out for like this 
exact specific time and then 

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there's the mystery of solving. 
Why that Happened. 

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And so the first half of the 
first season is like, oh, this 

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is really cool. 
This is like a very interesting 

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like mystery and stuff. 
But once they get to the point 

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where they kind of like almost 
figure it out and then what is 

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the next step? 
Yes, the writers you could tell,

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did not know what the next step 
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And the show got cancelled after
one season because they couldn't

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figure out what to do. 
It was, it was very frustrating 

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to watch. 
So that's how he felt. 

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And then this That's how I felt.
Especially after episode a, I 

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was like, like, why they're 
fumbling it, they're messing it 

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up. 
You know, in this case, what I 

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was watching at this time 
around, I was able to pinpoint, 

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what exactly reminded me of. 
So you said I show 

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flash-forward. 
It's a me reminded me. 

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A lot of like Tron legacy 
because of them getting sucked 

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into the game. 
Where the world's? 

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Yeah, my name me a Truman Show a
lot because, okay, characters 

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affected by peopl creators 
acting as God and not. 

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Allowing him to make choices 
about his own life. 

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And so that's very prevalent in 
Truman Show and of that's 

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running throughout W, it 
reminded me of the Matrix 

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because they end up being able 
to enter and exit, the alt this 

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alternate fake World, exact 
vitamin E of inception a lot 

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because the creators are 
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the real world that ends up 
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world implications. 
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It reminded me of Pleasantville,
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getting sucked into the world 
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And then the inhabitants of this
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about their world and their 
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peels us. 
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getting into spoiler territory. 
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Sus reminds me of w, Howe were 
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Any parts of the show that you 
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were like, oh, I can't wait till
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But it's an alternate reality. 
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like, oh, so she is affecting 
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it. 
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much where like the other side 
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was really cool. 
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first time in the show, I was 
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really cool concept. 
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Like let's really play around 
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the outside world affect? 
What's going on in there? 

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Yeah, really play with that idea
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episodes, and I really enjoyed 
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they kind of like tail off and 
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No, I'm not trying to sound like
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decide for our lead character to
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Pretty much. 
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And for some reason, I'm not 
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territory here, but basically, 
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the character that now, that 
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couple of episodes and it's 
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whatever. 
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Backtrack on that. 
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rules of the world? 
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complaint that I have is that 
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fast rules about this world and 
then they just break all of them

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by the end of the show or it 
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like, oh, with all things being 
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that's like guessing what should
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world and then they introduced 
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even Then call them variables 
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variable pops up and I'm like, 
what are you talking about? 

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That is pretty lame. 
Like, what variable label it 

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that way. 
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frustrating for me. 
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show was definitely the romance 
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oh, you'll do right? 
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compelling. 
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really good. 
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And they're trying to turn the 
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the, you know, comic book the 
Muslim comic book. 

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anything away but like their 
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whenever they were together, or 
they were having some sweet 

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moment. 
I was like, yes, like this feels

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right for the show and then it 
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it would commit more towards the
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world. 
Being to flipped upside down and

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the criminal aspect of the show.
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They didn't seem to have as down
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should end up together. 
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line that they committed to from
the very beginning from the very

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writing and you skid a sense of 
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relationship between them 
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And so that's how I found Not a 
positive that being said I don't

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like that. 
They're trying to switch genres 

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in the middle of a show you 
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Thank you. 
I don't like that. 

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Yeah like not only during the 
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but also the tone of the show 
will change. 

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Yes. 
Like within scenes. 

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Yes. 
You know there's a moment where 

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somebody is like brutally shot, 
you know and there's blood and 

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everything and the very next 
scene it's like Comical with 

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like this light-hearted music 
and it's like, what? 

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It's kind of hard to keep us. 
You know, a straightforward 

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line. 
W stands for whiplash. 

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Exactly, exactly. 
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track of what is the show 
supposed to make us as an 

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audience want to follow? 
When it's constantly bouncing 

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back and forth. 
Yeah I feel like we discussed 

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what really irked us about the 
show already and what we really 

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dislike about the show but we 
can go more into spoilers later.

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On a scale of one to five. 
How pissed would you be if you 

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were a fan of this web toon in 
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If I was a fan of the webtoon 
itself, pretty upset because at 

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the end of the day, you usually 
read, you know, these Comics 

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written for the hero and you 
know if your hero is going to be

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killed off, like that's 
upsetting enough. 

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Uh-huh. 
But then the way like like 

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sometimes I even lost track of 
how it actually is. 

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Ends because they keep, like, 
going back and, like, know, we 

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know that we can change 
something and it's like, Okay 

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now, what's happening? 
Because they keep going back and

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doubling back on themselves. 
That was a problem. 

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They didn't have a clear ending 
and just when you think you got 

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the ending of the webtoon. 
No, they change it again, right?

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So so it was a frustrating 
pressure, so 50 God. 

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Me personally, I don't know if I
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Did to a webtoon. 
That is, this genre know, it's 

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like a crime. 
Thriller action. 

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Come on. 
I don't mind that if they decide

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to lean one way or the other, it
would make a lot more sense and 

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it would be more of a continuous
and actual believable story if 

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they commit to one rather than, 
you know, trying to straddle 

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both lines. 
Or even doing 7525. 

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In either direction, would 
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having like an action thriller 
where there is a romantic 

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subplot, you know, would work or
it's a romantic, you know, story

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with this element of, you know, 
sci-fi or however you want to 

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label it, but this is very 
herky-jerky wishy-washy. 

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Unclear the glue yeah. 
What direction they want to go 

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in? 
Was there a character that you 

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were that you really connected 
with or where most invested in? 

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At any time? 
It was kind of hard to like 

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truly invest because I wasn't 
invested in the two main 

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characters, so that that made it
hard to and there's this is very

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like there's not a lot of cash 
to go with. 

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No, it's a very light cast. 
Yeah. 

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So you know who you're looking 
at from pretty much episode 1. 

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That's pretty much it. 
Yeah, Way Forward. 

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Yeah. 
So if, if I had to put it on 

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someone, maybe the dad, Who's 
the artist really? 

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I because he is an artist who is
struggling like he has, you 

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know, an idea for what he wants 
to do with his tune, but the 

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world is of being affected. 
So everything that he does, he 

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is getting boarded. 
He's getting thwarted from his 

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vision, you know. 
So I Related to that. 

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Yeah, I sympathize with us or 
empathize sympathize. 

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I've been in situations where 
I've tried to create and I've 

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been through it myself so I can 
sympathize and empathize with 

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the dad, okay, with the dad. 
I know all characters. 

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I feel like I really connected 
with oil and Jew because she is 

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like the every girl, like she's 
not a very good doctor, no, it's

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pretty average. 
The only thing she has going for

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is her looks when she's not. 100
on either she's like I'm a 

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beauty like she's like very 
surprised that people find her 

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attractive so that's God but I 
really like how she is a 

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dreamer. 
Almost. 

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Hmm. 
And it's very slight that you 

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get this impression that she is 
kind of like a hopeless romantic

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because she's so realistic. 
Of a personality like she's 

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like, you know, she feels like a
real character. 

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Yes, she felt real in that sense
where she wasn't Like, I don't 

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know, she came from a divorcee 
family, she's living with her 

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mom, and she doesn't get her. 
See her dad all the time, and 

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she's pretty, you know, at work,
she's not very popular and she 

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has to like kowtow to her boss 
and stuff like that, that really

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kind of felt not non main 
character to me, right? 

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So, I I liked her a lot in that 
sense and her reactions felt 

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really genuine to me. 
I know you Did not like her 

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acting denile his then that like
case, he's acting as well, I'll 

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call him Casey for cocktail. 
So I don't think you had any 

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thoughts on chemistry because 
you already said you just didn't

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believe them. 
No, like it. 

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There's one scene in particular 
that I'm just like, what the 

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hell are they doing? 
Like it just didn't feel natural

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eye. 
It didn't feel. 

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And we'll talk about it in 
spoilers if you want. 

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Yeah, but yeah, like I was not 
so Old under Love Story. 

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Okay? 
So talk about this in spoilers. 

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Last thing before we get into 
spoilers OST, what do you think 

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of those tea? 
I thought it was fine. 

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I have a hard time gate. 
Oh you know what I did have one 

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particular note though there 
were certain action moments that

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had the same theme that started 
out a certain way and like 

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you'll recognize it if I do it 
it's like don't go 

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doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo.
Oh yeah. 

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That is the very beginning of 
Danny. 

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Elfman's version of Avengers 
from Avengers Age of Ultron. 

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If you listen to it, it's the 
same exact starting your here. 

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And you'll be like, oh my God, 
they rip them off the top. 

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Danny Elfman your that very that
beginning part? 

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Yay. 
All right. 

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Clearly. 
Wow, fine. 

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So I found the OST, amazing. 
I thought it was unassailably 

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good. 
I see, okay? 

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I really enjoy that osce even to
this day and I remember the 

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first episode ending for my 
re-watch, I was like, oh shit. 

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Fuck I forgot. 
Like how good the OST is on it. 

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The centerpiece is this song, 
Where Are You by Jung joon-young

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and that was like, the, like 
breathy, like, song that they 

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put at the end of every episode,
every episode. 

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Yeah, loved it. 
It's in my cage. 

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I'm OSD Spotify playlist. 
I think that I was T, slaps. 

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So we'll talk about major 
themes, more, qualms and 

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nitpicks, and weak links. 
And we're just going to pick it 

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apart in spoilers, right after 
this. 

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You want to come in. 
All right, so we're going to 

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talk about spoilers now. 
Rico, I want to come back to 

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Ooh, this thing that you said 
you were talking about the 

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Chemistry Between the leaves and
you were like, there is this 

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moment that I did not like, I 
thought they were stretching? 

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Yes. 
Well, is that mode? 

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Okay, so there's a moment, I 
can't remember exactly which 

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episode, but it's kind of early 
on. 

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There is a moment where they are
in his apartment or his like 

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sweet and like his friends are 
outside of the room and he has a

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gun. 
And he is trying to get answers 

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right to what is going on, but 
there's clearly supposed to be 

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like some type of, you know, 
something going on between them,

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some type of chemistry. 
Okay, yeah. 

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You're supposed to try to 
believe that he is obviously 

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trying to get answers but he 
trying to get to know her. 

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Oh the bathroom scene bathroom. 
Yeah, it was the bathroom. 

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It was about to shoot sir and he
shoots her. 

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But that's not that's not my 
qualms my qualms is not with the

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fact that he shoots her. 
Okay. 

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What's the koala might calm is 
that I didn't find any of like 

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their interaction as a 
believable thing that these two 

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are going to end up together. 
Okay you didn't think they were 

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going to end up together, it 
didn't feel like it. 

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Like I know that the show and 
you know, they're trying to 

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Telegraph that these two are 
going to end up together and 

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every interaction happens to be 
them together and they're saving

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each. 
They're from different 

448
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,600
situations. 
But man did like their actual 

449
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:16,000
chemistry never had me, you 
know, really sold on the fact 

450
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400
that all ya know, I could 
totally see them together. 

451
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,200
Okay, like so just never felt 
that way. 

452
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,800
Here's my thing is that in my 
second watch, I was looking for 

453
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,500
places where they seem to really
connect and have great 

454
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,100
chemistry, their main queue, and
all that stuff. 

455
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,100
And I still feel that The reason
why I think they have great 

456
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:40,000
chemistry is not because they 
have great chemistry. 

457
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,900
It's because they're just too 
beautiful people caught up in 

458
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:46,600
this like Grand Story together 
and they are smushed together. 

459
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,700
Every chance that the story 
allows and they don't have like 

460
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:53,900
a moment where you're like oh 
that's when he fell in love with

461
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,700
her. 
Oh, that's when she fell in love

462
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:57,200
with him. 
And you know what I'm saying? 

463
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800
There's always a moment were 
like that's it. 

464
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,700
Like they might hate each other 
or they might, you know, have no

465
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,000
issues with each other. 
But That's the moment where you 

466
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,100
find that they're committed to 
each other for some reason or 

467
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:15,500
another and there was no, like, 
like moment in time where you're

468
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:21,000
like, oh, I understand their 
commitment to each other, right?

469
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,900
You know, he's she saves him at 
the very beginning from dying 

470
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:31,200
and you have a thought. 
It reminds me the premise is not

471
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,700
the same but having two actors. 
Good looking actors that are 

472
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,800
pressed together and they're 
supposed to be a romantic 

473
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,500
interest in a movie and it just 
does not work as much as the 

474
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:47,500
plot is driving them to write. 
And that is there was a movie 

475
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:51,700
it's with Ashton Kutcher and 
Katherine Heigl. 

476
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,200
We're killers are believe or 
something like that. 

477
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,700
Where like somehow Ashton 
Kutcher's like some secrets. 

478
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,300
Bye. 
But the two of them good-looking

479
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:05,900
people and the plot is forcing 
them together and like the plot 

480
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,800
is trying to make you believe 
like yeah these two are going to

481
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,300
end up together because 
everything they do makes them 

482
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,500
you know romantically involved 
but you just don't buy it 

483
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,500
because those two together, it's
like you're watching them on 

484
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,000
screen is like there's nothing 
there. 

485
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:27,500
I don't I do and I don't feel 
that way about this coupling of 

486
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:32,100
case. 
And you don't do the beginning 

487
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,000
where she saves him. 
She plunges like a pen into his 

488
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:41,200
chest and he like comes to comes
like, they're like into motion. 

489
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,500
Just love option. 
He like lifts his body up and 

490
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,400
they're face-to-face. 
Really close to each other and 

491
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400
I'm like, is that the moment 
they expect us to be like, oh 

492
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,300
yeah, they're going to try and 
like, do anything possible to be

493
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:57,200
with this person moment. 
That's good. 

494
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,300
You're just like, oh my God, 
it's so abrupt and aggressive 

495
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:06,200
and like high stakes and there's
no words exchanged between them.

496
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,300
Like it's just this Visual and I
think the the whole thing about 

497
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:15,100
this is like they're going for 
the visuals versus the substance

498
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,000
of a real relationship where you
have conversations and you have 

499
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,100
these moments of getting to know
one another like he doesn't even

500
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,300
know her really. 
And so if you guys like they're 

501
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:31,900
just Moving from set piece to 
set piece because the the show 

502
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,200
still has to go about its 
business, about being about a 

503
00:31:35,208 --> 00:31:37,300
webtoon and the world being 
affected. 

504
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,900
So, it kind of feels like 
they're just moving from set 

505
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,800
pieces set piece, is that of 
having genuine interactions with

506
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,900
each other. 
It hadn't made no sense to me 

507
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,500
why he was like after he comes 
to and he's in the hospital and 

508
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,500
his people are surrounding and 
he's like, find this girl, I 

509
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,600
believe she's the key to my 
life, she can help me find the 

510
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,200
reason for my existence and I'm 
like Why do you feel that way? 

511
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,900
Where did you get that? 
So, in my mind, I was like, that

512
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,400
doesn't make any sense and, like
logged it away, and it really, 

513
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,900
that's the reason the impetus 
for him, even summoning her to 

514
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:14,900
the world is that he's like, she
has some kind of key. 

515
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:21,000
She's some sort of, she has the 
answers that I'm looking for and

516
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
like it does not make any lick 
of sense. 

517
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,200
It does not know. 
I agree. 

518
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,600
No. 
So we were talking about the dad

519
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,300
very briefly because you're 
connected with, you know, the 

520
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,600
dad in this at least a little 
bit. 

521
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,000
I found the first few episodes 
with the dad really upsetting 

522
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,600
for me because he is sadistic 
Glee happy while killing off 

523
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Casey and his assistant was 
like, oh yeah, your dad. 

524
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,100
So sick and tired of drawing the
same character for like almost a

525
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,200
decade. 
You wanted to kill him off. 

526
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,300
Every fiber of his being and I 
was like, that's a lot. 

527
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,300
Like that's a lot to hand. 
Like that's your paycheck. 

528
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,600
Is this character, you know? 
Yes. 

529
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,600
And there were no complaints 
from the fans saying oh we want 

530
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600
to end o. 
The quality is going down. 

531
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,200
Oh all this stuff like no it was
just the dad. 

532
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,300
Having this idea that he is 
creation is a monster. 

533
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,900
And I'd rather be eaten. 
So I'd rather eat than be eaten 

534
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,500
or whatever, the the quote was 
on the back of that the 

535
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:36,000
postcard, or whatever. 
So, it is really a bizarre intro

536
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,800
for the Dead It is passing 
judgment on his own creation, as

537
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,900
a God, you know, how could I 
leave him as he is about to be 

538
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,200
consumed? 
Like why does the dad feel he's 

539
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,000
going to be consumed if it's 
like either it's him or me but 

540
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,500
why? 
You know, either slowly, get 

541
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,000
those flashbacks of like, when 
cangzhou, like really started 

542
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,400
rebelling against his vision, 
the Creator's vision for the 

543
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,500
story, these were very micro 
aggressions, you know, yes, the 

544
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,699
holes trajectory of the story 
changed but it wasn't like there

545
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,500
was a threat to the Creator at 
any point. 

546
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,900
No. 
So that wasn't, so that was very

547
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:23,199
confusing for me. 
So I think maybe this is just 

548
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,400
like putting Like my fake 
Psychiatry hat or something, 

549
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,400
okay, but there are times where 
I think a lot of people who have

550
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:38,800
created something eventually, 
get tired of having to 

551
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,500
continuously, do the same thing 
for that creation, instead of 

552
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,300
being able to innovate and 
create new things. 

553
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:52,400
You get this a lot with with 
people who write music and then 

554
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,800
have to perform the same. 
A song over and over and it's 

555
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000
not even sometimes like their 
greatest creation. 

556
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,900
Sometimes it's like something 
that they came up with, that was

557
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:06,200
just good enough and then it 
just took off and like the fan 

558
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,800
response for the webtoon, you 
know, people love the character 

559
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,900
and this and that but the 
creators like shit, this is not 

560
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,800
all that I want to do in my 
life. 

561
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,000
There's other things or other 
creations. 

562
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,100
I want to dive into so I can 
understand him wanting to be 

563
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,100
like, okay. 
I'm kind of done with that. 

564
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:29,000
Now I want to move past that I 
think it's lengthy TV actors. 

565
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:35,900
Yeah II totally understand the 
idea of wanting to quit this 

566
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:41,200
really monotonous life, right? 
Creating the same thing over and

567
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,000
over again and it's not even 
what you consider your best 

568
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,800
work. 
Obviously, I don't completely 

569
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,200
understand that. 
I understand the concept of 

570
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,300
characters especially in 
literature feeling like they 

571
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,800
have a lot of agency over their 
own stories and then the Creator

572
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,400
or the rider is just the 
mouthpiece. 

573
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,600
And they're like, well she wants
to go on an adventure so I had 

574
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,200
to write another book like 
things they say. 

575
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Shit like that like writers are 
constantly like yeah well I 

576
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,100
didn't think that she should 
have gotten with this guy but 

577
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,400
you know, it was her decision 
and you're like if you created 

578
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,100
the character you're the one 
writing. 

579
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:23,800
And what is this, you're the one
that decided or decides. 

580
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,300
Yeah there's other ones not so 
the other way around and that 

581
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:32,200
respect, I totally understand 
where the show was going when it

582
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,200
had this really interesting 
relationship between Casey and 

583
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:42,300
the Creator, the dad. 
But the reason and I'll get to 

584
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,400
this. 
Now why I thought Jordan peels 

585
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,600
us was a big reminder for me, is
that the villain ends up being 

586
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,200
in control of the Creator. 
And they end up Eating these 

587
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,400
Twisted Twins. 
Doppelgangers, one is a shadow 

588
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,300
puppet. 
Correct. 

589
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600
And that reminded me a lot of 
Jordan people's us. 

590
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,000
We're like the people from 
underneath are at the mercy of 

591
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,700
their doppelganger up above 
living their life as if nothing 

592
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:17,300
is happening. 
So, that was was a really 

593
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:21,200
interesting concept and again, 
the show is just so interesting 

594
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,000
to think about and Ponder the 
execution of these Twisted 

595
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Twins. 
Do we want to talk about it? 

596
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Because that is a major spoiler 
for the show and how Yeah, where

597
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,900
it ends up being that the 
villains of the show, take over 

598
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,400
the world and become 
essentially, the main characters

599
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:46,500
of the show and the anonymous 
faceless villain that killed, 

600
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:51,100
Casey's whole entire family or 
family had no face to begin 

601
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,300
with. 
And I understand that from like 

602
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:57,900
a writer's creators perspective 
that you just wanted a device, 

603
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,600
right? 
To a amp up the story and give 

604
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,000
the hero a reason to become a 
hero and go on this, hero's 

605
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,300
journey. 
But the problem with that 

606
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:12,800
particular device is that you be
you make it into a mystery now, 

607
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,500
right? 
Like you made the whole mystery,

608
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:20,900
the KC in the man wants started 
like the TV show. 

609
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:24,800
W to figure out like who killed 
his whole family and frame them 

610
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,600
for it, right? 
Because something about 

611
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,800
storytelling is you cannot 
introduce Something engines 

612
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,800
story unless there is going to 
be a resolution or pay off AKA 

613
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,600
chekov's gun. 
That is like the number one like

614
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
reference for people. 
And if you don't know what that 

615
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,600
means, chekhov's gun is a story 
by check off. 

616
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:53,100
He wrote that. 
If there is a gun that is shown 

617
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,300
or placed in a story. 
In the First Act, it has to be 

618
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,800
fired by the third act. 
So that means that if Something 

619
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,300
is placed in the story. 
It has to have a purpose in a 

620
00:39:03,308 --> 00:39:07,600
resolution by the end. 
So, putting in that device 

621
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,800
there, like a faceless man, 
like, who was the initial, you 

622
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
know, response or basically, the
reason why everything starts 

623
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,800
going, well, he's not going to 
be faceless by the end, right? 

624
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,600
He shouldn't be Faceless Men, 
shouldn't be. 

625
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,300
So, you know, if if him, as a 
writer is like going in there 

626
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,300
and be like, well, no, he's just
a catalyst for getting 

627
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:29,900
everything started know, people 
are going to be like know who is

628
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,100
that? 
Who Who is the man we need to 

629
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:37,300
know. 
So so for the fact that that I 

630
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,900
understand it but at the same 
time I'm like that's stupid as 

631
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:41,400
shit. 
Yes. 

632
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:46,500
So the rest of the how he 
resolves this issue to, you know

633
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,700
if Casey is trapped by his own 
predetermined you know set 

634
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,300
course and because of the way 
that he was designed, he's 

635
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:59,000
always going to be looking for 
this killer and will not have 

636
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,800
peace. 
Until he finds this killer. 

637
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,100
Then give him a face. 
Give them an identity so that I 

638
00:40:04,107 --> 00:40:06,200
can find him in the world. 
That was Casey's whole thing. 

639
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,000
When He confronted the dad 
Creator, the dad creator gives 

640
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:19,000
the Assassin, his own face 
rights and in turn the villain 

641
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:26,100
the serial killer. 
If you will Steals the Dad's 

642
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:30,700
face and the dad goes, maybe, I 
don't know, six seven episodes, 

643
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:35,600
wooden no face. 
The killer steals his face. 

644
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,400
I found that so gruesome. 
I completely forgot. 

645
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,700
Again, I've only remember the 
first Eight Episodes. 

646
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:47,900
So when this happened and the 
assistant, his Apprentice find 

647
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,600
some faceless. 
I freak the hell out. 

648
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,800
It's like, oh my God. 
That's right. 

649
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,200
What are you shaking your head? 
No, I'm just saying. 

650
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:04,800
Like, like it's dumb. 
Like it's dumb. 

651
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Like no lie. 
It's Like dumbest shit. 

652
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000
It really is like they thought 
about you know, something like 

653
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,700
face off or you know like or 
even Buffalo Bill from like 

654
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:19,800
Silence of the Lambs like, huh. 
Someone face and wearing their 

655
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,200
faces a good. 
That's not great idea by episode

656
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,200
10, you have this like villain 
saying things like you are me 

657
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,700
and I am you and like, it's a 
weird curse or just a 

658
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:35,200
declaration that they're linked 
because they have the same face.

659
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:41,000
You know, the villain has his 
own Awakening / Rebellion 

660
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,300
against the Creator. 
And now that the villain is in 

661
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:47,000
control of the world, through 
the Creator. 

662
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,900
Like it was completely reminded 
me of us with the tables, get 

663
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:54,700
turned in that same, right? 
And you have the, you know, the 

664
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,500
doppelganger is From Below or 
the other way around. 

665
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,800
But anyway, like the ones below 
are the ones that come up to 

666
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,900
like make themselves revealed 
and known and yeah, have their 

667
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:10,300
own agency. 
So yeah, that was really tough 

668
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:13,000
for me. 
And then the dad just can't 

669
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,100
really out paste the villain and
his desires, even once the 

670
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,700
villain gets killed. 
Like, yes, he gets his face 

671
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,600
back, but now he gets all the 
villains memories and it's like 

672
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,900
weird. 
Like what it? 

673
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,300
Where's that written? 
That no rules. 

674
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:30,900
There's no rule to a thank-you. 
They'll rats. 

675
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,400
That was my biggest thing. 
Like, I understand, if the world

676
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,600
can be affected by everything 
that he's doing outside of the 

677
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,400
world, but like, for memories to
be inserted, and like, you know,

678
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,800
like you like physical 
consequences didn't really make 

679
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,100
sense, because the rules weren't
well, Established mmm-hmm, I 

680
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,200
didn't like how everyone started
being able to summon these 

681
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,700
portals to get around God, that 
pissed me off. 

682
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,400
Like I was like going. 
So anyone could do this, right? 

683
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,100
Yeah. 
Anyone who had anything can make

684
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:11,600
some in like a weapon and if 
any, they can just like maybe 

685
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,000
not summon it but like there is 
a Creator on the other end 

686
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,300
that's like doing it for know 
but like it basically was 

687
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,900
summoning because Lee Zhang's 
Sir. 

688
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:24,400
Casey, like I one point in the 
later episodes I think it was 

689
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,900
episode 15, he's in handcuffs 
and this sucker not only imagine

690
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,800
the handcuffs off like he like 
imagines a key to take off the 

691
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,300
handcuffs and then imagines a 
gun materializing out of nowhere

692
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:42,900
and so no he didn't know that. 
That was the dad that was that 

693
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,200
you're right. 
So slow like here I'll that one.

694
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,100
Was it again if this we had 
record this a week later I 

695
00:43:49,107 --> 00:43:50,400
wouldn't I would have totally 
forgotten. 

696
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,300
This. 
But what happened was he was in 

697
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,700
the game for a year because it's
the final episode. 

698
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:59,100
He can't teleport out back into 
the real world too because it's 

699
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:02,800
making him live it out in the 
game up in the McCormick. 

700
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,400
I keep thinking he's making them
live out the door. 

701
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,300
The world construct is making 
him live it out, so he lived a 

702
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:13,400
year in jail and just when they,
when he thought it was all all 

703
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,000
over the dad, who was also stuck
in the game for a year? 

704
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:22,000
Got out of his mental 
institution by killing a nurse, 

705
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:26,900
and went to the secret hideout, 
where he hid another copy of 

706
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,800
the. 
What's it called? 

707
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,900
It's the tablet, normal tablet. 
And then he started drawing 

708
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,800
should in to loot the world. 
And so, he drew him out of the 

709
00:44:37,808 --> 00:44:43,300
cat handcuffs, gave him a gun, 
helped him Escape drama car, and

710
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:48,400
then let him to where he was in 
this, you know, it looked just 

711
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,900
like the house in real life, but
it was a safe house in the 

712
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,000
world, right? 
So again, like it still doesn't 

713
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,600
make a ton of sense. 
Like, why, why was the Dead? 

714
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,100
Dad and cangzhou like stuck in 
the game for a year. 

715
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,200
And in the rebels makes two 
months, it was like that doesn't

716
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,500
make sense. 
I, there's a lot, there's so 

717
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:14,100
much. 
They bring, they bring home grow

718
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:18,600
back to back to life, Jung Joo. 
She dies in the money. 

719
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,900
She dies. 
My favorite part. 

720
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,500
My favorite part was when they 
were like oh we performed CPR on

721
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:27,300
her for over 30 minutes and it's
not looking very good. 

722
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:31,000
She's kind of brain dead. 
And I was like you performed CPR

723
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,700
on her for over 30 minutes like 
what did you expect? 

724
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,200
Did you continue doing CPR? 
For 30 minutes? 

725
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,600
I thought it's like, there must 
be a cut-off, like, if they're 

726
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,700
doing CPR. 
Hell after I never have, you're 

727
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:43,900
just like, yeah, like Scott. 
Let's call him. 

728
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,000
So I thought that was just 
ridiculous as well. 

729
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,200
Like I said, the the cloning of 
the tablet in and out of the 

730
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:02,900
game, the world was such a 
cop-out, it really was because 

731
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,300
then anything can Be changed at 
any given time. 

732
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:11,200
And that doesn't really make for
a fun device, like it opens up 

733
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,500
the world to whatever you want 
it to be, but it breaks the 

734
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:21,400
rules of the story and that's no
fun because then any kin thing 

735
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,500
can happen. 
And then you're just like well 

736
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:29,300
Arthur Stakes are the stakes 
real enough where characters are

737
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:34,000
actually in danger, right? 
And so that, that's the problem 

738
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,500
with something like Yeah, I 
think that the most interesting 

739
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:43,200
part of the story was that they 
were constantly testing the 

740
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,200
waters and trying to get 
characters to go against their 

741
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,800
nature and find their own agency
outside of the Creator's wishes 

742
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,800
and outside of the Creator's 
Vision, which is what Casey was 

743
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,700
trying to do the whole time. 
But Zoe his assistant in the 

744
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:06,300
world, she also was like on the 
verge of Disappearing because 

745
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:10,100
she outlived her purpose within 
the game started disappearing. 

746
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:15,000
You know, that whole thing and 
at the end, her the same thing 

747
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,700
happens, where she like, 
outlives her purpose, she gets 

748
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:21,400
fired, she moves on, and that's 
the difference is that she 

749
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,400
manages to start a life beyond 
her predetermined fate. 

750
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,400
And I think that was really 
profound, especially, for a 

751
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,400
female characters. 
Do it first, yes. 

752
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800
And for her to be like, yeah, I 
was overseas. 

753
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:39,100
These what's going on with Casey
like it was like very much. 

754
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,000
I'm nice resolution for that 
character. 

755
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,600
She actually had an arc to her, 
you know, all of the other 

756
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,900
characters like Casey and young 
Soo would jeonju, they don't 

757
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:54,800
really have an arc. 
They are the same as when these 

758
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200
are the same they don't really 
change. 

759
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,900
No they don't, they don't change
which kind of sucks. 

760
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:02,800
As I feel its characters that 
you're watching. 

761
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,500
The only characters that do 
change our like the Creator 

762
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,600
character. 
He has a really, really crazy 

763
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,700
Arc and so and so we as well. 
She changes by the end, you're 

764
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:14,700
right. 
Yeah. 

765
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:17,300
It's very independent and has 
her own thing and she doesn't 

766
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:21,700
need Casey to live in this world
that that's a big problem with 

767
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,800
characters. 
There's something you'll notice 

768
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,700
here in American TV shows that 
will happen with you. 

769
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:35,500
See it a lot on comedies 
especially where characters they

770
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:40,600
have minimal growth early on in 
the show and then they just stop

771
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,200
changing and then the writers 
just keep writing the same story

772
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,600
and jokes over and over for that
character and the character 

773
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,700
doesn't change anymore, right? 
And so that's when shows be 

774
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:53,800
start to become stale. 
You don't have anything 

775
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,000
interesting to do with the 
character and the character Arc 

776
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,100
and that's probably why I liked 
the first Eight Episodes is that

777
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:03,900
it felt the most cohesive, and 
you had the story. 

778
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:08,100
Constantly, surprising them and 
pushing them into really 

779
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:12,300
precarious situations. 
And after that, you can't just 

780
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:14,000
get away with that for the rest 
of the show. 

781
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,800
Like, no, they just, that's what
they did. 

782
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,300
They tried to still keep with 
that formula, but at the halfway

783
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:22,300
point, you should start to see 
some growth in the characters. 

784
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:25,100
And you should definitely start 
to see some character arcs and 

785
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:30,000
we were not getting that for as 
our main two people especially 

786
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,200
with a show that only last 16 
episodes because this is not an 

787
00:49:34,207 --> 00:49:36,000
American show. 
This is not something that's 

788
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,500
going to go on for Seasons, 
right? 

789
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:42,500
So you have to make sure that 
you establish an arc that is 

790
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,300
different enough from the 
beginning point. 

791
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,300
If it doesn't work, then it 
doesn't work. 

792
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:51,400
And then you you stall out on a 
character and that that is never

793
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,500
good. 
So, did you have any nitpicks 

794
00:49:54,500 --> 00:50:00,500
about the show? 
I think I'm labeled down a lot 

795
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:01,700
of the things that I didn't 
like. 

796
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:05,400
So I don't know if I would say, 
nitpicks, as much as just issues

797
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,800
with the show. 
Okay. 

798
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:12,800
Because Niblick nitpicks would 
more imply that I like the show.

799
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,400
But here's a little thing that 
maybe I didn't like or whatever,

800
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,700
so I have no fixed. 
Maybe sometimes will trigger 

801
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:20,800
some of yours in the back of 
your mind. 

802
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:27,200
So the in the episode for Casey 
says, As in his world. 

803
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:29,800
What do I do? 
If I got what do I become? 

804
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,400
If I get stabbed by a woman 
because the reporters are 

805
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,500
insinuating. 
That Jung Joo is the one that 

806
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:40,700
stabbed him is like the person 
that nearly killed him, even 

807
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:43,000
though it's not true, there's no
evidence all this stuff. 

808
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,300
And he says this like what would
become if I get stopped by a 

809
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,900
woman which is a misogynistic 
statement. 

810
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:53,500
Yeah. 
But that really leans into how 

811
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:57,100
women are viewed. 
Like, she's not You know someone

812
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:01,100
who's not a threat right ABS me 
like what a what does that make 

813
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,400
me? 
I'm like right that it's all 

814
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,200
about insinuating about their 
manhood and stuff like that but 

815
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,200
yeah I didn't like that there 
was too much lip nose and Chin 

816
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:18,800
quivering from KC too much. 
Yeah, this is not an epic but it

817
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,700
goes. 
I think in this category, the 

818
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,900
scene of yeongju getting sucked 
back into the comic and 

819
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,100
underwater. 
Water. 

820
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:30,900
Was so that was so cool. 
They must have flooded the set 

821
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:34,200
or something because she's like 
on the phone talking to somebody

822
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,000
and then all of a sudden she 
can't hear them and then like 

823
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,100
boom she's like in the water. 
Yeah they were surprising some 

824
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:44,200
tub thing that would like CGI or
not even see chime maybe it was 

825
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,300
different thing but yeah, that 
was pretty cool. 

826
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,400
I don't think they covered in 
this is an epic. 

827
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:55,000
Why was she such a great artist?
Like all of a sudden, the 

828
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,700
assistant, The Apprentice is Oh,
I heard this thing. 

829
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:03,100
Once said, your dad took the 
concept for Casey from you and 

830
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:05,500
your drawings, from when you 
were a teenager like you 

831
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:09,200
basically thought him up and 
he's your creation. 

832
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,700
So you're also like a Creator. 
God. 

833
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:15,900
And then she's like, what? 
And like immediately is amazing 

834
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,400
at drawing. 
So my question was, I'm trying 

835
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,400
to remember what episode that 
this happening. 

836
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Do you remember this episode 70?
That is too late to be 

837
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,200
introducing that. 
An introduction to that we're 

838
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,500
like, you know, she was also in 
the whole Artistry should have 

839
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,500
been in the first two episodes, 
episode 7. 

840
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:38,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

841
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,200
She was like, what kind of feels
like they forgot. 

842
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:46,600
Like they, you know, we need a 
way for her to be able to draw 

843
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,000
to hmm, and they didn't think of
it early enough and they were 

844
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,500
like, oh, what if we make it 
that Casey was like, her dream 

845
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:56,900
guy. 
She was the one that he was. 

846
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,700
And that created it like you 
couldn't tell us that an episode

847
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,200
to like that. 
That's the better place to it 

848
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,000
have that. 
But or just have her at least be

849
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:09,500
doodling or something in her off
time and she's very good cute. 

850
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,100
Yeah show us show us, don't tell
us. 

851
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,400
So anyway that was really 
annoying. 

852
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:16,900
There were so many shopping 
sprees. 

853
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:18,900
That is a very kdrama thing to 
do. 

854
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,700
It's dead. 
Take the main girls. 

855
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,000
Those are the moments. 
I was just like, okay, let's 

856
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,600
make it was too much like too 
much about Of a thing. 

857
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,100
There was a scene in episode 7 
where she is asleep and she 

858
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:35,900
falls out of bed. 
While she's sleeping, she's 

859
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,300
fully dressed and the outfit 
looks like Dorothy from Wizard 

860
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:45,200
of Oz, but all the lights are on
and it's bright as hell in the 

861
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,100
room. 
And I'm like, how the hell was 

862
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:52,200
she asleep? 
When it looks like noon out in 

863
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,900
this room. 
It's just really stupid. 

864
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,800
The dad took an 18 hour flight 
to New Zealand and flew. 

865
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,700
Coach get out. 
Get out of here bro. 

866
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:06,600
You should have been a 
first-class should have had 

867
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,700
champagne. 
Like he was a famous cartoonist.

868
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:15,300
Definitely had them royalties 
coming in had his own production

869
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:19,100
house like no he was not like 
oldest easily been flying at 

870
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:24,200
least business class. 
Yeah so that was very annoying. 

871
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,400
Did you like When she brought 
the comic into the world and 

872
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,400
that's how Casey realize that 
he's in a comic a second time. 

873
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:47,000
It's like, oh my God. 
I feel like Then it's just 

874
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,600
breaking too much of the of the 
world. 

875
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:56,900
You know, like Casey summons the
killer into the real world by 

876
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:00,600
thinking about him, bro. 
Nah like summoning, the kill it.

877
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,300
No man seemed like all of that 
summoning stuff is ridiculous. 

878
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:08,900
Okay, like so just breaks the 
world, it does it have enough. 

879
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:12,100
Unlike the first time you're 
like shocked, like, whoa, like 

880
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:15,200
they're doing this, but then any
other time after that is just 

881
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,100
like wait a minute but they 
could just do whatever they want

882
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:18,900
now. 
Hmm. 

883
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,500
Last thing. 
The famous prison visitation 

884
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,500
kiss. 
I feel like this is a famous 

885
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,900
kiss. 
And here. 

886
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:31,000
Yeah, I would say this is a 
pretty okay, well, known case 

887
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,900
where she goes. 
I love you for the third time 

888
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:36,700
and that's a running thing where
he's like if she tells it to be 

889
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:40,300
one more time, I think we'll 
fall for her and she doesn't. 

890
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:45,400
What is this like Peter with the
three crows before the rooster 

891
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,600
crows three times. 
You will deny me three times. 

892
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:52,800
Except you'll tell me. 
I love you three times and the 

893
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:58,200
third time is the charm. 
So Yeah, he's she makes him his 

894
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,600
heart stirs or whatever the to 
be continued, like Scribble 

895
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,500
comes up. 
Yeah, and then she pops out and 

896
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:10,200
Pops right back in and she's 
like why do you keep sending me 

897
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,600
back into this world or 
whatever? 

898
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,800
You can think you give me? 
And he says, I was afraid, I 

899
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,300
would never see you again and 
then boom, this are making out 

900
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,100
in the visitation room, that's 
very famous. 

901
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:25,500
Gotcha, I don't know what's it, 
like, you have no reaction. 

902
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:29,300
You're just like, okay, you know
what it is. 

903
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:34,800
I do not have the same 
sensibility when it comes to 

904
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:41,600
romantic stuff as people 
watching kdramas because from 

905
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,000
what I gather and again this is 
only my force is your fourth 

906
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,200
one. 
So, I can't, I can't be upset at

907
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,800
you for being, like, whatever 
about something. 

908
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,300
That's actually quite impressive
about a show especially when it 

909
00:56:55,300 --> 00:57:00,300
comes to physical stuff. 
Like you're just like, yeah, 

910
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:03,000
they were kissing. 
Yeah, they know. 

911
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,700
Like like I understand if this 
was like they're like first 

912
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:09,700
kiss, like that. 
Really. 

913
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,600
And it's not even because they 
do kiss before that like yeah 

914
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,900
just randomly in moments, but I 
guess the sensibility coming 

915
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:21,100
from the western side here. 
Yes. 

916
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:26,700
That when there is like that 
moment of love like in a premise

917
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:28,300
of a show that's similar to 
this. 

918
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:33,700
Let's say there's a build up to 
that There is like flirtation 

919
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:37,500
and then there's like, you know,
there's like physical moment and

920
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:42,100
then they're like, climactic 
moment is where like the kiss 

921
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,700
happens. 
A lot of the things that I 

922
00:57:45,707 --> 00:57:49,700
noticed that people get, you 
know, kind of hyped for on 

923
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:55,300
Korean shows are like things 
that would never get talked 

924
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:59,000
about it all in an American show
like oh they they held hands and

925
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,700
it's like cool. 
Like the why is that beautif 

926
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:06,000
heard? 
Me and Miguel told ya. 

927
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:09,200
He dramas and were like, yeah, 
joking about risk, grabs and 

928
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,600
piggyback rides, and shit like 
that. 

929
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,800
And it's deep. 
And it's real. 

930
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,100
Like, when you're in it, you're 
just like you have a timer in 

931
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:20,000
your head. 
You're like okay by episode 10 

932
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:23,000
if it's a romance drama or you 
have a couple they're going to 

933
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:29,500
kiss by episode 10 and if they 
don't kiss people get upset and 

934
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:31,100
they don't kiss at all in the 
show. 

935
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,700
People get pissed, people get, 
you know and imagine what and 

936
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:37,200
people judge the kisses and 
like, it's very common for their

937
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,800
be tight-lipped kisses and pecs 
and things that are really not 

938
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,700
satisfying to see especially 
when you're invested in the 

939
00:58:44,707 --> 00:58:48,200
couple. 
And in this case, you had like a

940
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,900
full-on makeout session and it 
was like, great. 

941
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,000
But in other shows, I swear to 
you. 

942
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:59,600
I swear it is hard out there. 
It's very difficult to find a 

943
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,300
show that has a great couple 
that also has really good. 

944
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:08,600
Skinship is like the term 
skinship and you're laughing at 

945
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:09,600
me. 
And that's fine. 

946
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,000
That's fine. 
I know this people listening. 

947
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:15,500
I know that people listening 
will understand what I'm saying,

948
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:20,700
especially if you've gotten this
far into my review of w but 

949
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,500
yeah, II know that that scene. 
Has made the rounds and it it is

950
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:31,400
something fair enough. 
I'm pretty sure that among 

951
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Korean shows. 
That that is a big deal. 

952
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,600
That's a huge moment. 
You just didn't clock for me. 

953
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,800
It doesn't even show up as a 
blip on like, oh yeah. 

954
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:41,900
Yeah. 
Like for me it's just like, oh, 

955
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:44,200
they guess. 
Like like they like each other, 

956
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,300
they love each other but like 
it's not like, oh my God, they 

957
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:50,900
kissed know. 
Like for me it's NeNe. 

958
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:55,700
I would say that the general 
reaction to Kissing scenes is 

959
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:59,800
like a touchdown in football 
like you're just like yes, I did

960
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,200
it happen. 
Oh wow. 

961
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,500
That is the general reaction. 
I would say. 

962
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:09,300
Wow, that is a completely 
different reaction. 

963
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,100
Then you're just like Western 
find whatever like they're 

964
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:13,200
kissing. 
Yeah. 

965
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,700
Or or in a show or something, 
maybe you'll be like, hey, they 

966
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:21,600
got together. 
Hey, look at that or, you know, 

967
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,700
or if it's something that's very
odd. 

968
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,000
Obviously Telegraph. 
Like they're leading to it and 

969
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,000
you know and it's like, there we
go, finally, you know, but never

970
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,000
like there is an expectation. 
Like you know, I'll give you an 

971
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:42,000
example of 11 show here in the 
United States where people were 

972
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,800
waiting. 
Waiting waiting waiting waiting 

973
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,100
or two shows actually. 
And it's shows that we've 

974
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,200
mentioned that either. 
We don't like or whatever. 

975
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,200
But like, the show Friends, for 
example. 

976
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,200
Yeah. 
Ross and Rachel, like the 

977
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,000
build-up was so big that when 
they finally had their first 

978
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,700
kiss, like people went nuts. 
Well, they imagine that for I 

979
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:07,700
mean, not, I'm not saying it's 
friends level frenzy, you don't 

980
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:12,000
know, I know, but like that 
enthusiasm for the moment, yes, 

981
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:13,900
right? 
No, I get it. 

982
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,700
But the thing is that, it's so 
rare here in the United States 

983
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:20,500
because the only other example, 
I can think of would be on the 

984
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,600
office with Jim and Pam. 
Yes. 

985
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,700
That was another thing that 
people were like is it going to 

986
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:29,200
happen, man? 
Just the build-up build-up, but 

987
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,100
not every show has that. 
Not every show has like 

988
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,400
characters that you're just like
they need to end up together. 

989
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,700
They and you're just like 
aggressively waiting for it type

990
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:41,900
of thing. 
Okay, so that's why. 

991
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,500
When it happens here it's rare 
it's like it's a rare moment in 

992
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:48,000
Western shows. 
Yeah. 

993
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,100
But for in Korean shows, it's 
kind of like it's an 

994
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,600
expectation, not only that it 
needs. 

995
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,700
Happened. 
But there's the satisfaction of 

996
01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:59,400
it finally happening. 
Wow, it's like once it finally 

997
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,300
happens, then you judge how good
it was right, right, right. 

998
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:04,900
That's what I'm trying to get 
across. 

999
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,200
So I don't think we've ranked 
are given our rankings yet. 

1000
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:12,100
We I'm going to change things up
a little bit. 

1001
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:16,500
We usually do the letterbox 
rating, which is five stars and 

1002
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,500
we do have stars, right? 
However, we now have a logo. 

1003
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,700
We are recording this so far in 
advance that we didn't. 

1004
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,900
Have a logo and now that it's 
created. 

1005
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:28,000
There's a Soju bottle in our 
logo. 

1006
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,800
And so, how many Soju bottles, 
would you give the show out of 

1007
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,300
five Soju bottles? 
I would give it to Soju. 

1008
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:46,500
Please Okay let me calm down to 
yeah no half star. 

1009
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:50,400
Nothing just to no no no I don't
need another drink like to is 

1010
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,500
fine, we're good, I'm gonna call
it a night too. 

1011
01:02:54,500 --> 01:03:00,700
So Jewel box. 
Okay, I'm gonna give it I'm 

1012
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:02,900
going to give it for Nostalgia 
sake. 3. 

1013
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:05,600
Soju bottles out of 5. 
Yeah. 

1014
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:07,600
Okay. 
Middle of the road. 

1015
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,500
Got it. 
Yeah, I was pretty upset about a

1016
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:14,400
lot of things as you could 
already tell, but I'm going to 

1017
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,300
go with three, which is a safe 
bet. 

1018
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,000
If you had asked me this in 
2016, I put it would have put 

1019
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,300
maybe three and a half or four 
got it. 

1020
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:27,500
But again, you're revisiting 
everything lens. 

1021
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:32,000
Different lens, few years of 
podcasting and movie reviews 

1022
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,500
under my belt. 
And I have more Different kdrama

1023
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,400
palate than I did back then and 
I feel like I can just 

1024
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,500
articulate a little better. 
What I didn't like and what's an

1025
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:47,700
issue with a show? 
So three for me, two for you 

1026
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,500
correct. 
I think that's a wrap on W. 

1027
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:54,400
Oh my God. 
Good Lord. 

1028
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:57,600
So let me let me ask you this, 
okay. 

1029
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:03,000
And maybe maybe you know it, 
maybe you don't but did you know

1030
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,700
that W is coming to the United 
States? 

1031
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,300
What do you mean? 
So in April, what are you saying

1032
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,300
this year? 
A couple months ago, we go I'm 

1033
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:15,000
not prepared for this. 
The Masked Singer executive 

1034
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,500
producer Craig pledis are 
plastic. 

1035
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:22,800
Sorry has basically bought the 
rights for the Korean 

1036
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,000
Supernatural. 
Format W, Two Worlds for CBS 

1037
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,200
Studios know. 
So they are going to make that 

1038
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:35,100
show here in America. 
I'm like buzzing, they just and,

1039
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:38,200
you know, they describe the 
premise of the Same show 30. 

1040
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:44,300
Yeah, pretty much to a tee. 
So they don't have like anyone 

1041
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:50,900
going, but this is the same guy 
who has, you know, bought and 

1042
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:54,100
sold different scripts that have
been made into American shows, 

1043
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:57,900
like the good doctor. 
Apparently that was a Korean 

1044
01:04:57,900 --> 01:05:01,700
show that got made in is and 
that's in its fourth season 

1045
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:04,000
leash. 
It, there's a TV ad app. 

1046
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,500
I didn't even realize site is 
coming to Bo. 

1047
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:08,500
Yes. 
I know about that. 

1048
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:13,300
You know he's the one that took 
the concept of Masked Singer 

1049
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:18,200
brought it over here so he is 
been, he's mining cake. 

1050
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,400
Oh yeah, entertaining K 
entertainment and so now he's 

1051
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,600
going into scripted television 
and bringing stuff over and so 

1052
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:30,900
w, Two Worlds is coming to 
America through CBS Studios. 

1053
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,100
I I'm shocked. 
Does that? 

1054
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:36,900
Wait, does that mean we have to 
watch it? 

1055
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,500
We I mean, watch it. 
We, I think we should watch that

1056
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,400
unique Harrison. 
Yes. 

1057
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,500
We have a unique position here 
that we've watched. 

1058
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:50,000
Okay drama. 
We'll see when that comes out 

1059
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,300
because obviously they just 
announced it a couple months 

1060
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:54,500
ago. 
So maybe we'll start getting 

1061
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:58,800
like, announcements of, you 
know, casting and all that 

1062
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:01,600
coming soon. 
But for now, we know that it's 

1063
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,800
coming, my love is just dropped,
like still in shock. 

1064
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,100
I want to be surprised. 
You know what I? 

1065
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:15,100
I said the same thing or I said 
this about signal, this would be

1066
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:18,200
very interesting. 
It's a very good show and we 

1067
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,400
talked about it already. 
If you haven't heard it, go back

1068
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:24,700
in the podcast feed and, and 
listen to that episode about 

1069
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:28,200
signal. 
I would love to see what an 

1070
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,900
American version would look 
like. 

1071
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,300
Right, you know, like would they
Would they, you know, do the 

1072
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:37,300
same exact thing or would they 
play around a little more with 

1073
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:39,800
time, you know, or something 
like that? 

1074
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:45,200
So, you know, it's a cool thing 
that they're seeing what's going

1075
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,400
on in Korea with their 
entertainment. 

1076
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,800
It's a, it's think, you know, 
let's let's try it. 

1077
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,500
Let's try it over here, it's a 
wave, it's a wave music, human 

1078
01:06:55,500 --> 01:07:00,900
comes, huge TV, movies like 
Korean entertainment, and I'm 

1079
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:03,600
sure that, you know, besides 
Ed's Boys Over Flowers, you're 

1080
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,500
feeling like the production 
values of these are just. 

1081
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:13,100
The production values are much 
better and it's 2016 as well, 

1082
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:18,500
right, 2016. 
Another that the problem is not 

1083
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:20,200
how they look. 
They look good. 

1084
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,100
Yeah, you know, you know outside
of like fashionable stuff from 

1085
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:26,700
like Boys Over Flowers but 
that's an old show at this 

1086
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:27,500
point. 
Yeah. 

1087
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,400
But no the production values are
good. 

1088
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:36,900
It's just I have problems, a lot
of times so far outside of 

1089
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:39,800
signal, with a lot of the plot 
stuff, where a lot of the script

1090
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,900
stuff. 
Yeah, that's where I have my 

1091
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:47,300
Hang-Ups on. 
So, hopefully the next show that

1092
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:52,000
we do, yes, we'll have like, 
either, you know, plots or, you 

1093
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,300
know, some stuff that I really 
enjoy. 

1094
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,500
I am trying to do my best not to
repeat main actors. 

1095
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,600
Oh okay. 
And so if you seen an actor 

1096
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,900
before, we're not going to do 
another show with that same 

1097
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:08,400
actor in this season one, at 
least in this season. 

1098
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,500
One, I feel like I'm trying to 
get the most diversity in terms 

1099
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,000
of like the show's in the plots.
And oh, this one had 

1100
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,800
Supernatural Fantastical 
elements. 

1101
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,700
And so the next one won't or 
this one had a lot of Romance. 

1102
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:25,399
The next one won't. 
So I'm trying to be as Fair as 

1103
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,899
possible because I know my 
kdrama tastes are. 

1104
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,899
Not the same as your kdrama 
taste is very obvious in four 

1105
01:08:33,899 --> 01:08:40,300
episodes deep that we are not 
not the same as far as what we 

1106
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:43,200
like in in the world of K 
entertainment. 

1107
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:47,700
But I'm hoping that the next you
will find a winner again like we

1108
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:54,500
did for signal and the scores 
will go higher, the Soju will 

1109
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,899
flow. 
Alright, anything else you? 

1110
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:02,600
It's add, that was a crazy. 
I'm still reeling America. 

1111
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,600
I know that's going to be all 
from me, okay. 

1112
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:08,899
All right. 
Well, thank you for listening 

1113
01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:11,500
guys. 
Again, if you enjoyed our show, 

1114
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:14,800
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1115
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,500
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in again. 
We'll be back with another 

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episode next week. 
That's our show. 

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I'm Jessica and I'm Rico, and 
this has been the ATC It's 

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daebak K. 
Rambles podcast.