1 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,120 I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of 2 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,720 friends review Korean dramas and we've done it. 3 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,000 We have come to the final episode of season 5 and I wanted 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,120 to go out on a banger, so I brought with me my friend Mina 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,320 from the K Pop Bookshelf podcast. 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,280 How are you, Mina? I'm well, how are you, I? 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Am doing so well. I told you that I had a crazy 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,800 week. I had a crazy day and I did not 9 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,240 have enough time to watch this show. 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,840 But we are here. I have finished Sky Castle and 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,800 we are going to talk at length about it. 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,080 I wanted to watch the show for a really long time. 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,760 As a matter of fact, I had been on the docket for a while and I 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,519 it kind of fell through on a previous season, but I had told 15 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:07,920 you about it already in admi was like, I'm going to do Sky 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,760 Castle. And you were thrilled. 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,280 You were super excited about Sky Castle. 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,320 And then I felt awful, but it kind of fell through. 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,760 And so I was like, you know what? 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,560 I have to bring Mina on for Sky Castle because Mina was like 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,520 110% on top of this, like she had watched Sky Castle. 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 I have to do this with Mina like there's nobody else. 23 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,040 So here we are. Mina, it's been several months 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,520 since I asked you to do this episode. 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,720 God, I am stressed. I have to be honest with you, 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,800 that show, this show is very stressful. 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Mm. Hmm. 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,880 Mm hmm. 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OK, so I'm going to get us 50 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,080 kicked off here with the Wikipedia synopsis. 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,160 This is the better synopsis that I read that was a lot more 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,520 general. But I think I wanted to go more 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,120 general than specific on this one because when people hear 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,880 maybe the title Sky Castle, I'm not sure people necessarily get 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,040 what it's about. And if you go with like the 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,320 names of like so and so's a neurosurgeon and so and so's the 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,280 wife of the neurosurgeon, like it just doesn't. 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,240 I don't know if it necessarily hits like just giving you the 59 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,200 broad strokes here. It is a satirical series that 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,400 closely looks at the materialistic desires of upper 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,560 class parents in South Korea and how they ruthlessly secure the 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,960 successes of their families at the cost of destroying others 63 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,240 lives. The drama revolves around the 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,600 lives of housewives residing in a luxurious residential area 65 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,200 called Sky Castle, which is a reference to the elite 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,760 universities in suburban Seoul. And those universities are Seoul 67 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,680 National University, SNU for short, Korea University and 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Yonsei University. So those 3 universities make up 69 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,520 the acronym SKY. And so Sky Castle is where 70 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,840 wealthy doctors and professors live. 71 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,959 The wives are determined to make their husbands more successful 72 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,200 and to raise their children to be top students who will be 73 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,400 accepted at the best universities. 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:28,000 So they use every possible way to get that and we they do me in 75 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,280 every possible way. This show aired from November 76 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:37,760 2018 to January 2019. It is a winter show. 77 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,720 So I guess it's appropriate that we're doing this kind of on the 78 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,800 cusp of fall and winter. We're heading into the cooler 79 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,280 months. This show is 20 episodes long 80 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:52,520 and it is directed by Johan Pak and he's directed things like 81 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:58,600 The Atypical Family from this year 2024, Snowdrop from 82 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,400 2021-2022, and Secret Healer More Than a Maid. 83 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,960 Who are you? Have you seen some of these 84 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:11,560 shows from this director Mina? Actually, I don't think so, no. 85 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,000 All right. You watched Snowdrop though? 86 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:20,120 I did watch Snowdrop. Boy did I watch Snowdrop. 87 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,760 There is a whole episode on Snowdrop that we did. 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,160 If you want to scroll back in your podcast feed and listen to 89 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,840 that, you can. It was a ride, not a good one it 90 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:33,920 was, but it was a ride. And then Sky Castle was written 91 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,840 by Yu Hyung NI. She also wrote Snowdrop, so they 92 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,400 are frequent collaborators. She also wrote Golden Cross 93 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,680 Bridal mask Home Sweet Homes Scales of Providence Want to 94 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,200 love Again Green Rose. Basically she's been writing 95 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,000 since the mid 2000s and then this show stars. 96 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:55,000 This is a. So many people, particularly 97 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,160 large cast so. I'm not going to go through 98 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,080 every single person in this cast. 99 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,920 I'm just going to go through the mothers and the coordinator, if 100 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,160 that makes any sense. OK, yes, yes, yes. 101 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:10,000 I won't talk at length about what else they've been in, but I 102 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,280 will say like who they are and who their character name is. 103 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:20,240 So Yun Seiya plays no Sunghei and she has like the Bob haircut 104 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,840 and she's she's married to the lawyer or the law professor. 105 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,760 And then we have Yum Zhonga. She plays Han Sojin. 106 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,960 She's like the main mom with the Pixie cut. 107 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,880 And she's married to, like, an orthopedic surgeon. 108 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,800 And then we have Iteran, who plays Issuim, and she's a 109 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,720 children's book writer. And she moves into the Sky 110 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,560 Castle neighbourhood with her husband, Tae Wyong, who plays 111 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,440 the character Huang Teeong or Doctor Huang. 112 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,640 And then we have on that, who plays Jenny. 113 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,720 And she's also married to a doctor. 114 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,240 She kind of has her hair swept to the side. 115 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,640 She has long, flowing locks. Yeah, she's great. 116 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,560 And then we have Kim so Hyung, who plays Kim Joo Hyung, who is 117 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,280 the college entrance coordinator. 118 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,600 She has, like, the severe look about her. 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,720 I mean, they all look pretty severe and fierce. 120 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,080 No nonsense. But she has like a short haircut 121 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,960 that sort of swept back in the show. 122 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,400 She kind of has a bun. Yeah, in the show, it's a bun. 123 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,320 But in all the promos, she doesn't have the bun. 124 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,800 So I think it was a good choice not to sell it with the bun, to 125 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,560 be quite honest with you. So those are all of the, this is 126 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,320 a female fronted female lead show for the most part, You 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,360 know, you have their husbands, you have their sons in there and 128 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,280 of course, their daughters, their children. 129 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,800 But for the most part, it is, you know, the mothers that are 130 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,560 taking center stage in this story, and that's our cast. 131 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:04,920 I'm not going to go through everybody. 132 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,280 There's just so many people in this show. 133 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,280 So Mina, what what draws you to Sky Castle? 134 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,480 Why do you love Sky Castle so much that you've rewatched it 135 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,880 multiple times? Yeah, well, I like that. 136 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,040 It's not heavy on like romance stuff, which is OK, but like, 137 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,560 sometimes I don't want to watch that anymore. 138 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,120 You know, you can only watch that for so long. 139 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,840 And although it's about wealthy families and there's like a 140 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,840 class thing, which a lot of dramas has, it's presented in a 141 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,159 really different way. I think with a lot going on with 142 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:42,760 the back story, some of the characters and the introduction 143 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,160 of new characters and family dynamics, power dynamics, what's 144 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,800 going on at work, the this air of prestige, this, this 145 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,840 appearances of success and how that drives people basically 146 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,920 almost crazy, if not actually crazy. 147 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,240 So I just thought it had so many layers. 148 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,760 And also my family is from Bangladesh. 149 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,680 I'm I was born here. But so the whole like do well in 150 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,800 school thing really rested. But to me, I mean, not to this 151 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,320 extent, thankfully, but you know, yeah, I really like the 152 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,560 show. Yeah, As a former academic 153 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,040 overachiever, there was something really visceral about 154 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,800 this show that I connected with. And I think that we're on the 155 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,000 same wavelength about having, you know, an ethnic fan coming 156 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,600 from an ethnic background. Like you're not necessarily 157 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:38,400 driven to such extremes hopefully, but you know you are 158 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,960 expected to do well in school. It's also the expectation of 159 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,000 upward mobility. It's like you gotta do better 160 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,680 than your parents or, you know, you gotta do better than the kid 161 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:48,520 next door or whatever. Like there's a lot of 162 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,800 competition built into some immigrant experiences, I think, 163 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,640 or families of immigrants experiences. 164 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Absolutely, Absolutely. At least in the US. 165 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:58,840 Well, yeah, at least in the US. Exactly. 166 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Yeah. So this is my first time 167 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,000 watching Sky Castle. And what did you think? 168 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Lord have mercy. I so I didn't expect anything. 169 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Like, I didn't know really anything about it. 170 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,920 I love walking into shows blind, especially when they're podcast 171 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 watches. And I have heard good things 172 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,440 like through the Grapevine that it's, you know, it's a very 173 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,160 highly rated show and highly recommended. 174 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,800 And I love that the poster was like all women. 175 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,920 And for some reason, I was like, yeah, I need another like, 176 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,280 search www.show where I can like, sink my teeth into it. 177 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:42,920 And I had no idea about what it was about, that it was about the 178 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,240 education system in Korea and how flawed it is and how crazy 179 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,720 it makes the families, especially in this pressure 180 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,480 cooker situation of these elite families. 181 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,880 So Stan, this was a good joke. I fucking loved it. 182 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,960 It was amazing. I was worried you might not. 183 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,440 No good. No, it was so good. 184 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,120 It was very heavy, is very intense, very angsty. 185 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,760 I think what was cool about it was that you kind of at least 186 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,600 me, how I watch a show is you kind of start rooting for 187 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,920 characters from the get go. You start reading characters, 188 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,680 you're watching their every move and you're analyzing them, and 189 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:26,680 you're like, OK, I'm totally on their side because XYZ and the 190 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:30,560 other. But in this case, by the end of 191 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:35,320 episode 1, the only thing that I knew was that there was going to 192 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:42,160 be more feral murder happening. Like that was my, my, my 193 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,560 prediction was they're going to start killing each other. 194 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:49,360 Like it's going to get worse, way worse than it already is, 195 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,360 and that's not really. Much ugly it's gonna get so. 196 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,000 Fucking ugly was my assumption, and my assumption was absolutely 197 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,800 correct, and that wasn't much of an assumption. 198 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,400 This is very much in a mock Jong esque. 199 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,360 Style. I know that's not your favorite 200 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,120 style. But it's not my favorite style. 201 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,000 But I fucking ate this shit up. It was so good. 202 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,680 I. That's what I mean, yeah. 203 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,560 Like it has Mok Jung, yes, kind of vibes. 204 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,720 But then there's it's more intellectual, Yeah. 205 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,200 It's more like cerebral, yes. Exactly. 206 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,840 Exactly. So it wasn't kind of look lower 207 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:31,160 class or like baser, low brow, low brow, kind of like Mok Jung. 208 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,560 There wasn't a lot of like food slinging and stuff. 209 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:38,200 But it was good. Like it was juicy. 210 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,080 It was intense. And I loved the energy of it. 211 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,600 And I love the steaks that they just kept getting higher. 212 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,160 And I loved that the characters that I thought were that I was 213 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,920 rooting for and that I thought had a lot of grit. 214 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,680 And I was like, OK, I understand where they're coming from. 215 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:02,000 I totally want them to succeed. They turned out to be totally 216 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,720 unhinged. Like I was like, is there 217 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,800 increasingly it gets increasingly more unhinged. 218 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,920 But not in a way that you're like, I can't watch this 219 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,320 anymore. No no no definitely not. 220 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,320 I was like actually I need a press plate right now and it's 221 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:22,240 3:00 AM. All in all, really solid show, 222 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,120 one that I would wholeheartedly recommend to people, even if 223 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:32,040 you're more of a romance girly. I think that there's a lot of 224 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,360 social commentary. As I said in the Wikipedia 225 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,760 synopsis, it's satirical. So it's going to make a comment, 226 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,600 it's going to say something. I love that about it. 227 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,640 I I thought it, I thought it nailed everything that it was 228 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,760 trying to do. Yes, I think the acting was 229 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,000 crazy, incredible, So good. Everybody acted their asses off. 230 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,280 The kids, everybody, everybody. Everybody. 231 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,720 The kids, the adults, everybody, and there was quite a lot of 232 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,240 comedic relief, especially like a certain family in particular 233 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,480 was very funny and there was a lot of comedic relief. 234 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,080 Moments are out, which sort of broke the tension. 235 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,440 Yeah. That helped you kind of get 236 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,760 through some of those heavier episodes. 237 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,760 I mean, even if they weren't there, I think it would have 238 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,480 still been a really compelling watch. 239 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,760 Yeah, I mean, it would have been like a really straight drama 240 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,960 without so many Comic Relief moments. 241 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,080 You'd still be really good and solid drama. 242 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,880 Yeah, this is straight crazy though. 243 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,560 Like this is crazy through the vein. 244 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,880 So if that's not your, if that's not your bag, don't watch it if. 245 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,920 You don't want to be stressed out if you don't want your blood 246 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,000 pressure raised, maybe. Don't. 247 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,800 Yeah, because it's going to infuriate you. 248 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:52,920 Honestly, if it will infuriate you, it will make you really 249 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,840 angry in a lot of instances. If you're not into that, if you 250 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,800 want all the warm and fuzzies, babes, this is not the show for 251 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,960 you. This is not the show for you at 252 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,160 all, I think. This show at the time of airing, 253 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,560 became the highest rated series in Korean cable television 254 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,080 history. It received positive reviews 255 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,320 across the board, won multiple awards, including four Pick Song 256 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Awards, the Director One of X Song Award, and currently, Sky 257 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,160 Castle is the fourth highest Korean drama in cable television 258 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,120 history. And I think you might be 259 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,840 wondering, like, what are the what's the top ten? 260 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,200 Maybe what's the top five? I have them here for you. 261 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:40,080 So the top five, I'll give you the top 10 #10 is extraordinary 262 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Attorney Wu #9 is Mr. Sunshine. Coincidentally, Mina is on both 263 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,640 of those episodes. Yeah, I don't know how that has. 264 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Nothing but the best. Mina is on both of those podcast 265 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,520 reviews for Extraordinary, Tony Wu and Mr. Sunshine. 266 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,480 So if you want to hear my thoughts and Mina's thoughts on 267 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,960 those two top rated K dramas, scroll back in your podcast feed 268 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,440 #8 Doctor cha #7, Guardian, The Lonely and Grey God also got an 269 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,040 episode on that 6. Reply 1988 Five crash landing on 270 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,160 you. Of course we covered that on 271 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:25,080 season 1 of Tabak #4 just said with Sky castle #3 Queen of 272 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:32,560 Tears just happened this year, unseated Sky Castle this year #2 273 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,720 is reborn rich and then number one is the world of the married 274 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,640 I. Still need to watch? 275 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Yeah, so do I. So do I. 276 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,920 Maybe we'll reunite for World of the Married. 277 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,280 Top rated K drama on cable. Yes, the top rated K drama. 278 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:56,400 All right, so I have here. Culture critic Dong Da Kyung 279 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,880 says the drama has received attention from viewers because 280 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,400 it successfully strikes an uneasy chord while heightening 281 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,040 viewers as curiosity over the lengths to which rich elite 282 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,920 families obsess over education. He also says, and I quote, in 283 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,400 terms of education, the drama satisfies people's desire to 284 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,160 peek into what those closed rich family circles do for their 285 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,280 children. But at the same time, viewers 286 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,599 feel uneasiness when watching their stories. 287 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,119 Those two conflicting emotions, wanting to know but feeling 288 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,240 uncomfortable makes for some interesting chemistry in the 289 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,600 minds of drama fans and puts it on the must see drama list. 290 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,960 So there is some truth to the fiction is what we're trying to 291 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,120 say here, that a lot of people see this hyper competitive 292 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:49,560 education system in the pressure to enter a prestigious 293 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:56,160 university as being part and parcel of the real Korean 294 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,280 society experience. They're actually making a 295 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Japanese version of this show, I don't know if. 296 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,120 You saw, yes, they're making a remake in Japanese, and I think 297 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,480 there's a sequel, actually. And I can't remember what the 298 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,680 sequel to Sky Castle is called. Really. 299 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,080 Yeah, there's this. I saw it on my drama list that 300 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,120 it was like labeled as a sequel and I was like, the hell. 301 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:23,280 Anyway, So this, this definitely triggered a lot of people. 302 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,280 I think it tapped into something that was already in the 303 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:31,200 zeitgeist, already in people's minds, because whoever has a 304 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,560 child in Korea, whoever has a high school student in Korea is 305 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:42,160 going through this process and trying to, you know, forge a 306 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,240 path here because everybody is pretty much excellent. 307 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,520 And that's the problem. How do you distinguish yourself 308 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,600 from everybody else who's excellent? 309 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:58,680 And that's when this hyper competitive nature really rears 310 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,520 its ugly head. And not that the US system isn't 311 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,840 competitive, but geez, not not like this. 312 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,120 Thankfully. Thankfully, and we've had 313 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:14,440 scandals of our own. Geez, do you remember that 314 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,160 scandal with the Full House lady? 315 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,240 Aunt Becky? Oh my God, when Aunt Becky, she 316 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,000 went. To jail she oh. 317 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,000 No, you're right. She went to jail for did she? 318 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,880 Buy her sleep buying a Yeah, like her child's place at I 319 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,040 think USC. Yeah, Southern California, if 320 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,040 I'm not mistaken. Yeah, but there was like this 321 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,680 whole thing of at least in Southern California of rich 322 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,400 people staging like that. My kids on the water polo team, 323 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,680 though, they don't even know how to swim and like lying and 324 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,360 basically on applications, paying someone like a 325 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,920 coordinator to fix basically an application such that they'd be 326 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,160 more likely to get chosen to go. And what was interesting, not 327 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 that University of Southern California is a bad school or 328 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,080 anything, but it was like just kind of random schools that the 329 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,160 people who went to jail for it wasn't necessarily like Harvard 330 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,680 or something it. Wasn't even the Ivy. 331 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,040 Yeah, it was sort of weird that like, oh, is it that serious to 332 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,400 go to USC? But yeah, I guess it is. 333 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,400 So yeah, Becky went to jail from Full House. 334 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,920 Yeah, and I think her daughter's an influencer. 335 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,280 So it all worked out. I guess It all worked out. 336 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:23,360 Her destiny came true. We don't mean to laugh, but like 337 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,280 you have to laugh to keep from crying sometimes. 338 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:31,800 I guess because it's just wild. It's wild out here, so it's not 339 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,800 like it doesn't happen over here. 340 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:39,160 The craziness and the pressure to do well. 341 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,360 That there's funnel schools for the Ivy's. 342 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,680 I think that this show reminded me heavily of Dead Poets 343 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Society, which is one of my favorite movies. 344 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,880 How? Dead poets. 345 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,360 Society. Well I just I'm thinking of the 346 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:56,680 teacher student. Relationship. 347 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,560 No, no. I was like, that's not it. 348 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,480 No, no, no. It's really. 349 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,440 My captain? No. 350 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,840 It's really Neil's relationship with his father that is the crux 351 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,840 of the whole movie in the third act that reminded me heavily of, 352 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,400 you know, this, this show and also the broader message of 353 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,440 don't conform, forge your own path and all all of that good 354 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,840 stuff that, oh, captain, my captain, Mr. Keating taught us 355 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,720 in Dead Poets Society, these sort of values. 356 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,680 And as a matter of fact, the show Sky Castle invokes, it 357 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,480 invokes Dead Poets Society. That's right. 358 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,840 At the end, we had like one of the final episodes. 359 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,240 They're like, do you remember when we were kids and we watched 360 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Dead Poets Society and we said all this stuff and we weren't 361 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,840 going to do this? And I was like, oh, so I wasn't 362 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,640 crazy. Like they were actually calling 363 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,040 attention to it. Yeah. 364 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,640 So anyway, I and I like that about the show, that it's almost 365 00:21:53,640 --> 00:22:00,400 like media is reconciling with these ills in society in a 366 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,920 delayed way because this isn't new. 367 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,200 Like this problem that they've had. 368 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,920 It has been covered in other K dramas. 369 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,480 It's been covered in other movies and obviously in the 370 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:20,120 news, different craziness happening, but this show was 371 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,960 simply addicting to watch. And it's like watching like Real 372 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,520 Housewives at the same time, like, there's a lot of like 373 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,160 cattiness happening between the the moms. 374 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,840 Oh, but the cattiness of the dads, oh, that was, that was 375 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,280 crazy. That too. 376 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,760 Like it's like a medical drama. Real Housewives. 377 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:47,720 Dead Poets Society, a school drama, like all mixed in one. 378 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,600 Then it becomes kind of like a murder mystery like in the last 379 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,760 half of the show. It is honestly a lot of things. 380 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,280 It touches on a lot of genres, micro genres as well, and that 381 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,240 is pretty fun and unique about it. 382 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,600 That keeps you interested in coming back for more. 383 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,800 Obviously. I think the way that it was shot 384 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,720 as well was particularly good. I think it the cinematography of 385 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,920 it, they would have shots of the camera would be inside the car 386 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,280 and then someone would get out of the car and they would follow 387 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960 the person, but they would pull the camera through the car 388 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,600 window and like keep walking with the person. 389 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,400 And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't. 390 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,040 These sort of things are technically cool to do. 391 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,400 And so they were doing a lot of that, a lot of close up shots of 392 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,320 hands and feet of characters, so many showing hesitation, 393 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,000 resolve, anguish, nervousness, restraint, control, characters 394 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,840 straightening objects like in their vicinity, like a towel on 395 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,720 a rack or a phone on a table. And these things just playing up 396 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,560 their characterization and parts of themselves which they want to 397 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,000 display, right? They want to show, oh, this 398 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,280 person is in control of their surroundings. 399 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,240 They're a controlling person. They want to have everything 400 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,680 their way. So I love those close up shots. 401 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,800 I love those cool handhelds that they were chewing from the car 402 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,560 through the window and like onward walking with the subject. 403 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,760 It was cool and a lot of shaky Cam that they were doing, like a 404 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,000 lot of shaky Cam. I really like to the wardrobe 405 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 and sets because you kind of got and we get we'll get into more 406 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,640 later. But like going from a place like 407 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,680 people's mansions in this like Stony neighborhood. 408 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,240 You know, very Or Tony not Yeah. Mediterranean. 409 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,120 Kind of. Looking and yeah, yeah, it was 410 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,840 just which by the way, there is really, I mean, this is at the 411 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,360 time the drama came out, there were articles about how there 412 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,000 really is a sky castle. Ask a neighborhood in Seoul 413 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,320 somewhere or like in a suburb of and yeah, I'm literally not 414 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,080 surprised. No, right. 415 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,000 It's not surprising. The juxtaposition, though, of 416 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,360 like going from a Tony neighborhood in these mansions 417 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,800 and whatever to kids going to the like below their Kuman 418 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,240 Khagwan Academy convenience store, you know, and like 419 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,480 mingling with the people. Yeah. 420 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000 For like, it was very interesting that in like these, 421 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,800 the decor of like the very stringent households and the 422 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,560 very kind of stark design, interior design. 423 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,320 And then the ones that are a little more homey and the 424 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,560 because lady had like house, other lady had house plans. 425 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,600 And then the wardrobe too, Like I was saying the the clothes, 426 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,680 the elegant wives wear and then the doctors, you know, walking 427 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,240 around in their lab coats and stuff. 428 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,880 And but then, you know, sometimes kids are just wanting 429 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560 to be kids, but some of the kids are wearing super kind of stuffy 430 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720 pitch looking pajamas and like you can tell these are like rich 431 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,080 people. So I found the wardrobe too to 432 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,280 be and setting to be very interesting as well. 433 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,920 Yeah, yeah, all of it just made for a very elite not to use 434 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Elite again, but like it wasn't an Elite drama. 435 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,160 I I felt that it totally deserved that number four spot 436 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,600 or the top ten spot. It was, it was great. 437 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,920 I thought, I thought everybody hype it up, hype it up as much 438 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,160 as you want. It's amazing. 439 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,800 Yes. Is there a character that you 440 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,440 really connected with? Oh, yeah. 441 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:23,880 OK. Wait. 442 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,360 So many because you had. Hold on. 443 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,480 I'm going to make sure I get the names right. 444 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,400 So first of all, would have to be the mom who moves in New mom 445 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,760 in town, East Suim. She's a children's book author, 446 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,120 and she kind of does not belong there, really. 447 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,320 But she's there because her husband's a doctor and he 448 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,440 basically takes a position over because someone else becomes 449 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:51,160 indisposed, actually and. Yeah, we can't spoil that much, 450 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,640 but yeah. Yeah, they have to leave the 451 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,120 neighborhood is all I'm saying. And so anyways, so they can move 452 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,880 in, new family moves in. And then she's basically like 453 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,800 kind of our eyes and ears in a way, like us, the viewer, unless 454 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,320 you are a Sky Castle resident in real life, because she is the 455 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,760 one seeing it as an outsider at first. 456 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,360 And then she kind of though, you know, gets involved in some of 457 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:16,400 this a little bit. And then henna, the child henna, 458 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,400 the student henna. I really was, I, I don't know 459 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,840 why I felt like I identified with her. 460 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,320 I think because she as a student had this sense of like justice 461 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,720 or like self righteousness, both, I guess. 462 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,440 And I don't know, I think when you were some of us when we were 463 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,280 teenagers, especially if you weren't super rich, like a 464 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,920 little bit like have those moments or whatever where like 465 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,320 this whole system sucks. Like, you know, So yeah, how 466 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,240 about you? I really loved Hannah because 467 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,400 she was really bombastic and fierce. 468 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240 She was not afraid of the grown-ups. 469 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,920 She was not afraid to face off against the adults. 470 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,600 There were many points that she would be threatening or 471 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,640 condescending or rude to them, and rightfully so, you know, 472 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,120 rightfully so. You're kind of like, yeah, stick 473 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:09,400 it to them. She never backed down and she 474 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,920 always just wanted what was best for her. 475 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Within the confines of what is righteous, you know, what is 476 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,040 right for and fair for everybody in this school, for every 477 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,320 student. I liked that she was kind of 478 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,080 this a little. Bit of well, she wasn't above a 479 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,240 little bit of blackmail. Exactly. 480 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,920 I was like, she was playing dirty and I was, I was about to 481 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,640 say that she was like playing dirty. 482 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,920 And The thing is, she was beating them at their own game. 483 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,200 Yeah, she's one upping them like in every turn, and it's kind of 484 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,160 awesome to see that. Exactly. 485 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,360 So I loved her. I loved her so much. 486 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,440 And then I got to be honest, I loved our Bob cut girl, Sunghe, 487 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,480 who was married to the lawyer. So she was also one of my 488 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,360 favorites because I thought that she had a resilience that some 489 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280 of the other moms didn't express. 490 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,000 And you could tell that she was very intelligent and she was 491 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:20,080 very educated, and she felt deeply for the struggle of her 492 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,120 children. And she was fighting the 493 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920 patriarchy. It was almost like she was 494 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,360 fighting the patriarchy within her own home before fighting the 495 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,800 larger system that were at play in like the society at large, 496 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,520 because she was basically living with the tyrant. 497 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,400 Pyramid Dad. Yeah, Yeah, My, my cousins, I 498 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,880 watch this together. We called him Pyramid Dad. 499 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,920 It is. We still call him that. 500 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,720 He's in other dramas. And you're like Pyramid Dad. 501 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,600 It's pyramid drama. No, no, no, I agree completely. 502 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,720 He's pyramid dad and he's utterly ridiculous. 503 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,320 Like you can't take him seriously, but he is very 504 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,640 intimidating at at a lot of junctures in the story and and 505 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,880 in their family story in particular. 506 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,720 And I felt incredibly, you know, sympathetic and empathetic Tour 507 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,040 Tung Hei as a mother, you know, because she's trying to do right 508 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,760 by her kid. She's not trying to break up the 509 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,480 family. She's trying to play the 510 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,240 peacemaker, humble herself all the time. 511 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,320 But she is clearly smarter than her husband. 512 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,680 So, like, she's trying to play within his arbitrary patriarchal 513 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600 rules. And he demands respect. 514 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400 He wants this. He wants to be the breadwinner, 515 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,240 He has control of the family finances, and she's like working 516 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,320 within all of this shit. That's like working against her. 517 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,600 And so I just thought that she had a great story, a great arc, 518 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,520 and I love how she handles her biz by the end of the show. 519 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760 She's such an advocate for her kids, which some of the other 520 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,280 moms are not in the same way that she is. 521 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,680 Yeah. Yeah, and I thought that she had 522 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,520 a better relationship with her children from jump like from day 523 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,240 one, her and her children were on the same page. 524 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,160 They, you know, understood each other. 525 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,920 There was a, a bond there that they didn't share with their 526 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,640 father because he was constantly cracking the whip and constantly 527 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,800 telling them to study. And and it was a a very 528 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,160 fractured relationship or one that was never built between him 529 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,120 and his children. So she put in the I don't want 530 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,960 to say work because it's I don't want to consider it work. 531 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,840 But she loved on her kids and they loved her back. 532 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,560 Like it was very simple and it always was that simple, you 533 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840 know, like he didn't get it, Like the dad just didn't get it. 534 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,080 So anyway. Well, he just like commanded and 535 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,080 demanded respect and she and like saw it as a more reciprocal 536 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,720 relationship, like the one with her kids. 537 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,440 I mean, that relationship is reciprocal. 538 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640 It's not like I gave birth to you, so you must respect me or I 539 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,560 gave birth to you and you must, you know, do this. 540 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,280 On the other, she was more like, oh, they're humans, yeah. 541 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,640 And they have feelings and rights and this and that too. 542 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,920 So, you know, I, I think she was just more humanistic. 543 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,760 I don't know if that's right. The word like compared to some 544 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,640 of the other, the way some of their moms ran their households 545 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,280 or, you know, the she definitely had a more built a rapport, saw 546 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,920 them as people consider their feelings and not only status, 547 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,000 grades, tests, you know, exactly what people think. 548 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,840 So. I loved her, loved her 549 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120 character. I was going to refer to 550 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,520 Snowdrop, but you haven't watched the Snowdrop yet because 551 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,920 Kim Hei Yin plays Yeso, who is one of the students. 552 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,240 She is our Pixie cut lady's daughter and she is like at the 553 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,120 centre of everything, right Yeso? 554 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,480 I was convinced I wasn't going to like forgive Yeso by the end 555 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,600 of the show. I know. 556 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Because I got to be honest, this actress in Snowdrop, I have not 557 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,240 forgiven her for what she did in Snowdrop. 558 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,120 OK. This is a lot of like the energy 559 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,360 and the shit she was giving in Snowdrop. 560 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,040 So I was like, yeah, I know who you really are, Kim. 561 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,120 Hey, Yoon. Everybody knows her from Lovely 562 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,800 Runner this year and they have fallen head over heels for her 563 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,000 this year if they hadn't watched her in anything else. 564 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Honestly, she's a 2 faced bitch. I I'm sorry, like I know that 565 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,480 she's an actress but it, it was too real. 566 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400 It was too, too good. She did too good of a job and 567 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,800 Snowdrop too good of a job in Sky Castle. 568 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,360 But she's a little more redeemable towards the end of 569 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,360 Sky. Castle exactly. 570 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,680 By the end of Sky Castle I was like, oh thank God. 571 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,240 I thought her the girl who played her little sister EG one 572 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,040 who played Kanye. Ben was incredible as an 573 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,600 actress. So good and like giving major 574 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,920 little sister vibes, neglected child vibes, not the favorite 575 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,800 vibes so well. And then her bond with Henna 576 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,200 also believable compared to like, you know, the way she's 577 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,480 really into the other characters was so good, I thought. 578 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,080 And even like with the book mom and like showing moments of 579 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,520 vulnerability with some people or like whatever. 580 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,360 I just thought she was so good and I wish she would get give 581 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,639 her something, give her an award. 582 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,440 Give her an award, yeah. Is there anything else you want 583 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440 to say about Sky Castle that isn't spoiler? 584 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,199 We have literally not really spoiled. 585 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960 I know there are some like major things that we're just 586 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,360 sidestepping. Well, I wanna just mention just 587 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,280 for the listeners in case anyone doesn't know like a little bit 588 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,520 as far as what I know from what I've read, which take it with a 589 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,199 grain of salt because I don't know everything, I'm not Korean, 590 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,679 but like it. Korea is one of the countries 591 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,880 where it's like if you don't do well in the CSATS, as they call 592 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,280 it there and similar to our Sats, but their Csats college 593 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,520 scholastic aptitude test or whatever, it's so it's so 594 00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,360 serious that like they can't fly planes overhead during the exam. 595 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120 Like they reroute planes so that they won't fly over schools. 596 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,680 They are there's like certain songs that are like banned or 597 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,160 something. And I don't really understand 598 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,480 that, but I think it's because like become like ear worms. 599 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,160 So when you're in the test and you're freaking out and you're 600 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,920 like, what is, you know, this math, like what's the quadratic 601 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,120 formula? And in your head you're like 602 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,440 ring Ding Dong, ring Ding Dong. That was that was a bad song. 603 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,040 So, so anyway, but it's so serious 'cause it's 1 of this 604 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,560 country. Yeah, no, I could see myself 605 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,000 doing that in that situation. Like I'd be like, I have to do 606 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680 something important. But your head is doing like, you 607 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,280 know, some song. Anyways, they it, it's one of 608 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,760 those countries where if you this is a make it or break it 609 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,200 test. So if you don't do well, your 610 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,120 life is kind of over. And actually, especially during 611 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,840 the economic Asian economic crisis in like the late 90s, 612 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,480 from what I've read and heard, not an expert, a lot of people 613 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,240 became like idols because they're like either like, 614 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960 listen, I'm not not super scholarly, I'm not super 615 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,200 academic, but I'm pretty. It's not really my thing. 616 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,680 Yeah. Or like I can become pretty. 617 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920 Plastic surgery is a big thing in South Korea. 618 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,640 You know, you can become, yeah, you can become pretty. 619 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160 You can learn how to dance a little and sing a little. 620 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,720 And so a lot of people just went to, you know, if they weren't 621 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,760 from Seoul, maybe went up there to like audition, try to become 622 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,760 famous instead, because this is such a because if you don't do 623 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,640 on the CSAT, from what I understand, your, you won't get 624 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040 into a sky school, the Seoul University, Korean National 625 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,560 University and Yonsei, which is kind of the goal. 626 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,080 Everyone like here, it's nice to get into Ivy League, but like 627 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,000 your life goes on if you don't. But there it's like no like to 628 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,360 for some people. No, it doesn't like not enough 629 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,560 because there's a status association. 630 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,400 And then not only that, you have to become either like a doctor 631 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,560 or dentist or lawyer or something. 632 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,960 I think are, and again, my family's from Bangladesh, so 633 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,560 they're saying same kind of thing where like certain 634 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,840 professions are seen as way more prestigious and other 635 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,200 professions are not worth it. And so like even my parents were 636 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,200 like, no, you can't major in music because that's ridiculous. 637 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,920 So, but I didn't become one of those things, the doctor lawyer 638 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,400 thing. But yeah, so so that's kind of 639 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,520 kind of the background or back story to the premise of this 640 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,520 drama. And so because of that, there is 641 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,840 a lot of lengths people will go to to succeed. 642 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,000 And we have that a little bit here, the Kuman, aforementioned 643 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Kuman that we also have in the US or like whatever kind of 644 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,440 types of schools or SAT prep books and classes and MCAT, 645 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,920 LSAT, all that stuff that standardized tests, we have to 646 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,280 get into higher education and higher fields of study. 647 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,840 There's a lot of people who if you can afford that, you have a 648 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,160 one up up, right. So if you magnify that by like a 649 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,040 gajillion, that's what sky Castle is. 650 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,680 These people have the means to like pay for someone to 651 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,600 basically like almost guarantee that your their kid is going to 652 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,840 get into Seoul National University Medical school in 653 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,760 this case, so. Yeah, SNU Med School is what you 654 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880 would read on the subtitles, but that's Seoul National University 655 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,160 Med School. And absolutely they are paying 656 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,960 for a coach to come in and not only one-on-one teach their 657 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,480 child and tutor their child, but they have a whole team of people 658 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,440 behind them that are specializing in different 659 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,160 subjects and are also helping them and coaching them, teaching 660 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,240 them their subjects. You know, I think there was a 661 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,400 big emphasis in the show of teaching to the tests. 662 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,560 Well, because the end goal here is not like you're because think 663 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,760 of the schools used are sorry, subjects you study in high 664 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,640 school in this like we study English, in their case Korean, 665 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,240 or they may also study English as like a foreign language. 666 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,640 So it's like how we may study whatever language and those are 667 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,640 like important skills. But if you're going to go to Med 668 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,480 school, how much are you really going to need, let's say, Latin, 669 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,080 German, whatever you may not, you're right. 670 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,840 So, so even though you need, but you need to do well on the test, 671 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,920 if that's part of your, of the Csats or whatever. 672 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,160 So then you need to hire a tutor to like. 673 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,760 So you just nail that part of the test so that you go to Seoul 674 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,800 National University medical School, become a famous surgeon. 675 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000 Your family can like, you know, live, bask in your glory and 676 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,320 you've honored them and all those kind of yeah. 677 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,760 So I think that's why like the the goals goal is not like 678 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,200 academic aptitude actually. It's just like nail this test 679 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,400 and get a gleaming application. And applications even for jobs 680 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,680 in Korea, there's a lot of personal information. 681 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,480 It's like a whole packet. And so as far as I know. 682 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,000 So like, like for example, people's photos go on their job 683 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,440 application. I have done episodes in my 684 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,680 podcast in the past where I talked about how mental health 685 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,880 and psychology and counseling, These are things that some 686 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,320 people in Korea up until recently or even maybe still now 687 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,680 are reticent to seek that kind of medical care because they 688 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,440 feel like it will end up on their record somewhere that 689 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,280 their future employers could go into or potential employers can 690 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,880 go into and see like, oh, you've been in therapy, so I'm not 691 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,000 going to hire you, that kind of thing. 692 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,160 So there's like a lot riding, like everything rides on all 693 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,360 this stuff. And then the rest of your life 694 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,280 is shaped and formed by your high school experience. 695 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,760 And so that's why in these, for these elite families, it's like 696 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,440 maintaining the status because you don't want like that one day 697 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,040 that's big in this story is like 3 generations of doctors who 698 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,840 went to Seoul National University or my child was the 699 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,600 number one student in all of Korea when his graduating class. 700 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,000 These are big deals and you don't want your child to fall 701 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,560 behind now because now precedence has been set by that 702 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,280 your ancestors or your, your relatives, whatever. 703 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,080 And so it's like you have to keep up the whole for your whole 704 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,720 family. So you're bearing the burden for 705 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,240 your whole family. And that's a little difficult 706 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:30,080 for, I think some people who didn't grow up anywhere near 707 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:37,880 that level of competition and pressure and family prestige. 708 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,400 I I mean, it was difficult for me to even understand. 709 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,040 I was like, I don't get it. Like half the time they're like, 710 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,800 we need a third generation, third generation of doctors, 711 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,120 like that third generation of doctors. 712 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,360 And I was like, what the fuck you talking about? 713 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,320 Like you have two generations. Like that's amazing as it is. 714 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,920 Like, can't you just like take it and leave? 715 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,120 Like you, you need a third generation for real. 716 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,600 Like it's crazy. It all reflects back on the mob, 717 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,960 like it's at least from when you watch Sky Castle, you get this 718 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,720 idea of like whatever success your child has is a reflection 719 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,080 of you. And that's why the moms are so 720 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,800 kind of bat shit crazy about everything because they they're 721 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,000 like, it's a competition about how good of a mom are you not 722 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,480 good enough? If your, if your child fails, 723 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,440 it's on you, even though you're not the one who went and took 724 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,360 the test. And but that's why they bend 725 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,680 over backwards to make them succeed at like any cost. 726 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,040 Almost so. Right. 727 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,080 You touched on something that about the moms is that the 728 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,800 husbands and the even the pro coach that they hire in the show 729 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:46,080 expect all of the mothers to be stay at home moms and be a slave 730 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,880 to their children's education and success, not work. 731 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,480 Oregon have a career and if they do have a job it's seen as a 732 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,920 faux pas. Like it's the child's success 733 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,800 will be in jeopardy because they don't have this slave labor 734 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,000 picking them up, taking them to school or to the Hawk 1, 735 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,120 advocating for them, researching how best to achieve their goals, 736 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,240 making nutritious food for them, constantly being on their ass 737 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:17,560 about studying. And that whole concept of this 738 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,840 gender norm was very intriguing to me. 739 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000 I think I will say this just based on how much Korean news I 740 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000 watch, I think the reality for most Korean people is that both 741 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,840 parents work. But the issue here is they're 742 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,040 they're living in Sky Castle. So this is like an added layer 743 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480 of like this is maybe not every Korean person's experience or 744 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,680 like your mom stays at home. It makes you, you know, 745 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,920 nutritionally adequate all the time. 746 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,760 Whatever it's it's more and like the correct humidity of your 747 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,240 room for studying and ample lighting, blah, blah. 748 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,240 But that is what's happening in Sky Castle because it's a very 749 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,400 exaggerated version of it's a pressure that many Koreans. 750 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960 Yeah, it's satirical exactly. But there is really AI mean. 751 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,920 Who knows what goes on there. There really is. 752 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,840 Or our neighborhoods that are similar to this, where it's like 753 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,080 successful people all living together in this compound. 754 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,560 It is a. Compound it is, but the point of 755 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,720 it, I think here is like, this is such an exaggerated version. 756 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,680 And that's why maybe some people who are Korean probably did 757 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,560 identify with it because they maybe had some level of like of 758 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,240 this intensity, but not to this extent. 759 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,920 This is just like, crazy over the top version because they're 760 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,440 trying to also maintain their status. 761 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,480 We live. If you live in Sky Castle and 762 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,520 your kid doesn't go to a sky school, then what's the point? 763 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,240 You know? So yeah. 764 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,560 Exactly. So I really thought that that 765 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,240 was interesting about the moms and how it might be a little 766 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,760 outmoded like by today's standards to have to expect a 767 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,240 woman to quit her job when she gets married or when she's 768 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,280 pregnant to stay home with the child. 769 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,600 Especially because of the cost of living in Korea and how you 770 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,400 need a dual income to just subsist and all this stuff. 771 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,480 And even to raise a child, how expensive it is, you need the 772 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,280 dual income. But I mean, I think the gender 773 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,680 norm is changing out of necess, out of economic necessity. 774 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,840 I think it is and it isn't because a lot of the articles I 775 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,120 read both about Japan, there were a lot of articles a few 776 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,800 years ago. So I'm an elder millennial. 777 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,240 And if I had talked about the book Kim Jong born 1982. 778 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,480 And so that's about a kind of generic Korean elder millennial 779 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,560 who was sold this thing. This is the first generation of 780 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,440 girls and boys, but girls and kids that were told like, if 781 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,960 you're a girl, you can do anything. 782 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,920 And like, you know, this in America, like women couldn't 783 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,320 open credit cards till like 1960, whatever, whatever. 784 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,760 It was like kind of recently, you can do this and that without 785 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,800 your husband or your father's permission, even in America. 786 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,160 So in Korea, they're, they were also sold this idea of like, you 787 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,280 know, you're not like your mom's or your grandmother's. 788 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,720 You can like earn a living and be just like a man and go to 789 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,880 school and become a doctor, go to Seoul National University. 790 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,720 And when we were younger elder millennials, like it wasn't as 791 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,400 coming to have as many women in the career of medicine and 792 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,200 doctors, but now, you know, afterwards it was and lawyers 793 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,560 and everything. And but the problem in these 794 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,360 articles, there's a series of that were in the New York Times. 795 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,880 Again, this was about Japan, but it's very similar to Korea where 796 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,080 and also even America, you can extrapolate, which is that the 797 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,520 men still don't do for whatever reason, the gender norms kind of 798 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,520 just happen anyway. Like who's doing the bulk of the 799 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,600 laundry? Who's doing the bulk of the 800 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,520 childcare? Who knows their kids teacher's 801 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,360 name? Who knows their kids? 802 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,360 Pediatrician's. Name. 803 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,120 It's usually. The mothers, even though they're 804 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,360 working just as many hours and in Korea and Japan they work way 805 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,480 more than our like a standard kind of 40 hours a week. 806 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,440 They're working like 56. One politician want to make 807 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,640 raised to like 60 hours a week in Korea or something, the work 808 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,320 week. So it's very crazy and hectic, 809 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,560 yeah. But mom still does everything is 810 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,640 what you're saying. Moms, I mean, I'm just saying 811 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,680 like the gender norms in theory or on paper are it's becoming 812 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,960 more equitable, but it's really kind of still there because also 813 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,040 in Korea, there's still a lot of expectations about women this 814 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,320 women that they're still working on their me too movement, 815 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,560 feminism. There is still like a whole big 816 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,440 prickly subject. So it's not quite and even here 817 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920 because again, if you look at like they don't do surveys for 818 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,880 like the OECD, the economic something economic, whatever and 819 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,320 of development. And they look at developed 820 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,480 countries, developing countries and what is going on and who's 821 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,320 doing what and how much money do they make? 822 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,480 How much time off do they get for like maternity and this and 823 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,920 that. They look at all these things. 824 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,880 And when you look at the surveys for people who are from that 825 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,560 elder millennial generation, again, who in theory they're 826 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040 raised to believe like men can do housework and women can be, 827 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,440 you know, Wall Street brokers, whatever, that's great. 828 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,000 They can, they do. But what actually happens is the 829 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200 amount of laundry done by husbands not the same. 830 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,760 It's not actually equal for any of those three countries. 831 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,240 I mentioned the US, Korea and Japan. 832 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,080 It's still mostly women doing like who's making who's packing 833 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,960 lunches, who's cooking dinner, who's dealing with I got to get 834 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,920 picked up from school and The Who needs to meet with the 835 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440 teacher over bad grades? Who needs to buy a gift for 836 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,160 someone's birthday, friend's birthday party? 837 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,800 Like the dads have no clue still in all these countries, right? 838 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,520 In a lot of case, obviously not every, not on men, not every 839 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,880 dad. But I'm just saying, like from 840 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,240 these surveys, economic surveys and things, that's what was has 841 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,680 been found, including through this generation of people. 842 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:57,040 Yep, Breach. So anyway, this show covers 843 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:04,080 gender norms and gender roles very heavily, and you just got a 844 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,320 lot of bad parents. Like everybody's pretty much 845 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,920 rotten in the show. Like at one point or another, 846 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,760 you're kind of sold that maybe they're not so bad and then they 847 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,560 prove you wrong. So I love that. 848 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,760 I love that you get proven wrong like that. 849 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,480 Your assumptions about some characters and their, the way 850 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,440 that they act, it changes and it flows and they're making really 851 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,880 stupid decisions and they're just foul, like everybody's 852 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,200 foul. So I enjoy that. 853 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,560 I enjoy seeing some foul people get together and live in this 854 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:46,440 giant, beautiful compound exclusive community and all 855 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,840 their houses are like set up on a hill. 856 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,120 It's got like the good Feng shui, like, you know what I'm 857 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,160 saying? Like the back of the house is 858 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,200 like facing the mountain and then the front. 859 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:57,840 Facing Windows. Yes, yeah. 860 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,520 Like it's all like you kind of get this feeling that it's 861 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,760 literally all intentional. Long story short, I love 862 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,680 watching stupid, selfish rich people have a crack at each 863 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,320 other and drive their kids to madness and that's what this 864 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,200 show is. So with that with that being 865 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,680 said, I think we're going to get into the spoiler section. 866 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,360 But before we do, Nina, what would you rate this show out of 867 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,440 five soju bottles? I think I have to give it 5 out 868 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,200 of five soju bottles. I've watched it like about that 869 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,440 many times almost. I think I watched it four times. 870 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,920 So. And I really like find something 871 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,800 new each time that I, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, this now 872 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,080 what? Makes sense why that happened 873 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,480 last time. I didn't quite grasp it then, 874 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,440 but now I do. So I think you get a lot out of 875 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,440 it with multiple viewings. That's always a sign of a good 876 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,000 show, I would say. So, yeah. 877 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,280 I think I'd give it 5 out of five soju bottles. 878 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,720 Yeah, I'm feeling really generous tonight, so I'm going 879 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,600 to give it 5 out of five, but honestly, I can't see my score 880 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,640 really coming down. Maybe just because it's not that 881 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,880 rewatchable. It's very, it's like a lot. 882 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,840 It's so much so. I mean, I watched it maybe like 883 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,840 once a year, OK, like OK or one and like 1 1/2 years went by and 884 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,320 then I watched it. It's not like I I binge watch it 885 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,640 every weekend. No it. 886 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,960 Is way too heavy. But I feel like this sting might 887 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,120 wear off a little bit over time because especially because you 888 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,360 know what's happening when you don't know what's happening, you 889 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,120 don't know what's coming next, you're kind of like, what the 890 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,080 fuck? Like this isn't. 891 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,720 Crazy. And you feel sort of trapped 892 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:35,320 like the characters do. And I think that that trapped 893 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,840 feeling, you won't get that on rewatch because you know, it's 894 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,560 coming down the Pike. But 5 soldier bottles out of 895 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,000 five, so excellent. Just an excellent all rounder of 896 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,840 a show. A lot of drama, so much drama. 897 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,000 So we're going to get into it. I got to be honest, I don't have 898 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,440 no notes. I have no notes for this. 899 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,160 We're just winging it. But we'll get into the spoiler 900 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,960 section and we'll do our best right after this. 901 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,400 Excuse me, I can't. You know I have. 902 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,920 Oh, sorry. What? 903 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,680 All right, we're on the other side of spoilers. 904 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,520 So we are going to spoil exactly what happens in Sky Castle with 905 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,400 no notes. So without any notes, we're 906 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,040 going to talk about episode one first. 907 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,520 Episode 1, you get introduced to all of the families and there is 908 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,840 a party happening in celebration of one of the kids getting 909 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:50,600 accepted into SNU Med school, and there's like a foxtrot 910 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,960 happening. After Ndas are signed, there's a 911 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,120 force. What is it? 912 00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:00,320 There's a quartet there. Yes, they're serving lobster. 913 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,960 They're serving lobster and it's extremely fancy. 914 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,760 The one of the fathers is staging a protest because he 915 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,200 doesn't want to go to the party. He's kind of being petulant, but 916 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,600 you're kind of on his side. You're like, I kind of get it. 917 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,200 I don't want to go to parties either. 918 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,680 I don't want to dress up fancy. Yeah, but this is also the key 919 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,640 point here is Yeso's mom is throwing this party for young 920 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680 Jake. Exactly, not for young Jay. 921 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,000 And the point of it is to get her hands on young Jay's 922 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,600 portfolio, AKA his college application. 923 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,720 The whole packet we were talking about. 924 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,200 Yeah. And that's why her dad doesn't 925 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,400 want to be there because he's like, I'm not sucking up to this 926 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,560 lady. Yeah, I think. 927 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,680 Yeah, that's pretty sure that's. That should we call him like 928 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,800 Goatee? We'll call him Goatee. 929 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,840 And then Pixie cut is Yeso's mom Sojin. 930 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,280 And then Yeso is Snowdrop Heijun's. 931 00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,440 Lovely runner. Lovely runner. 932 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,360 Girl, we will call her lovely runner because I think everybody 933 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,200 will. And Young Jay is the guy also 934 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,760 from Lovely Runner. Young Jay's the guy who gets to 935 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,840 just Seoul National University. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 936 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,160 He's like barely in the hill. Place he's barely in this show 937 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,720 he kind of comes back later way later after a while, but in the 938 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,280 first episode he's there cuz the party he's the one who got into 939 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,560 Seoul National University Med school. 940 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,040 He's a lovely runner as her like other dude that's like in her 941 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,840 high school. So little reunion happened 942 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:29,880 during lovely. Runner. 943 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,320 Nice, nice. So this is this family and 944 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,680 Goatee is staging a little protest. 945 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,720 He shows up wearing hiking clothes, athleisure, and 946 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:44,600 everyone else is wearing gowns and suits and you know, he's 947 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,240 just being a little nasty. But I liked him. 948 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:53,120 Like in episode 1 I liked the dad, the Goatee dad. 949 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,440 Yep. Oh. 950 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,280 Shit like that goes sideways, like so fast in this show. 951 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,800 But anyway, the mom whose son got into SNU Med school does not 952 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,880 want to give up the portfolio. They try to schmooze her, they 953 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,440 try to booze her, and like, nothing's working. 954 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,640 She won't. She says explicitly she's not 955 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,880 going to give up her son's portfolio, but she'll help one 956 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,760 of them, whoever banks with Hanam Bank get an invitation to 957 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,440 this. And this was crazy. 958 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,200 Like this is when I was like, whoa, got to suspend disbelief 959 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,560 here because I hope to God this doesn't happen, that a bank in 960 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:40,320 Korea under the guise of an investment meeting hosted this 961 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,840 big mixer for mothers of like students to. 962 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,360 It was like an auction, like for these specialized coordinators, 963 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,960 college entrance coordinators. And I was like, whoa, we are off 964 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,640 to a fine start here because. Now in this show, they say there 965 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,480 are similar events like this in the US. 966 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,200 The characters say this. Is this true? 967 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,800 I do not know. I try to look for that. 968 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,720 I couldn't find it, but I don't think people would put that on 969 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:08,360 the Internet. Like that? 970 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,600 Exactly like that would never. Take that with what you will, 971 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,960 right? Like Full House, Laurie Mclaw. 972 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,960 Laurie, what's her favorite? Laurie Law would never put that 973 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,240 on the Internet if that existed. Yeah, Yeah. 974 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,920 And that's how Pixie cut gets paired with our coordinator, 975 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,480 which I don't know how. The bun lady. 976 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,320 Bun lady. All right. 977 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,800 We'll call it the coordinator. The coordinator. 978 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,680 We'll call her the coordinator. All right, Yeah, this 979 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,640 coordinator has a perfect record. 980 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:42,440 She gets two students into SNU every year and she only takes 2 981 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,480 clients every year. She's the one who got this kid 982 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,120 from the neighbourhood in to SNU Med school. 983 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,200 So here we go. Like this is it. 984 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,480 This is our meet queue with the two ladies who end up going head 985 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,240 to head in the rest of the show. The coordinator's going to be 986 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,200 teaching and handling. Yeah, so for three years. 987 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,840 So Sky Castle, the show takes place over the course of three 988 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:17,360 years. The end of episode 1 ends with 989 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,760 this mom who was being congratulated and given. 990 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,840 Wait, before we get to the mom. Oh, I will say young Jay hides 991 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,280 an iPad. Yes, he done. 992 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,200 Jay hides an iPad and there's something secret, the secret 993 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,920 iPad, hidden in this random part of his house. 994 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,200 Yeah, he hides it in like a top drawer of his of his desk in his 995 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,080 room, 'cause he's going on a trip and his mom was gifted a 996 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,440 big cruise as well to go on with her mother as a reward for doing 997 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,320 such a stand up job of getting her son into SNU. 998 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,800 From his dad. From his dad. 999 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,400 So the dad gave this gift to the mom, which I had like issues 1000 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,040 with that in and of itself because it was very this sets up 1001 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:09,600 like these rewards for the mothers and how they are only 1002 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,840 given like value and affection if their children are 1003 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,280 successful, otherwise they are, you know. 1004 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,440 Well, I think it's like the husbands have the pressure of 1005 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,160 maintaining whatever prestigious job they have, surgeons and 1006 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,240 whatever they are professors. The wives have this pressure of 1007 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:33,920 their turning out perfect kids, however that happens, and then 1008 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,120 the kids have the pressure of being perfect themselves. 1009 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,200 So it's not equally distributed pressure, I don't think 1010 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,480 necessarily or I don't know, I guess it's just very different 1011 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,160 for each of them. But yeah, it's true. 1012 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,280 It's sort of icky. It's like, OK, you get these 1013 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,640 cruise tickets and this party's actually for the mom, not even 1014 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,800 for the kid who got into school, this school. 1015 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,040 Yeah. It's all very weird. 1016 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,480 Very weird. Yeah, it's bizarre. 1017 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,200 And you can see all the other moms watching as she gets this 1018 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,320 gift at the party and. It's not just like a subtle 1019 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,200 gift. It's like presented to her at 1020 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,920 this ball with like this string quartet in the background, 1021 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,640 lobsters and and on platters and whatever. 1022 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,560 So it's like a whole thing. It's a whole thing. 1023 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,880 Yeah, it's very performative. Almost everything that they do 1024 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,640 in the show is performative. And so this was one of those 1025 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,080 moments, and you get that immediately from episode one 1026 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,360 that they're performing for each other. 1027 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,880 Definitely. And then, you know, all hell 1028 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,520 breaks loose at the end of the episode, you get the iPad hiding 1029 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,640 thing, and the mom shoots herself in the head. 1030 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,960 Yeah, and commits suicide. Trigger whining. 1031 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,760 Oh yeah, Trigger. Yeah, trigger. 1032 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,120 The only two trigger warnings in the whole show were for suicide 1033 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,160 and I think violence. Death or something in the upper 1034 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,840 left corner. Netflix was like suicide and 1035 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,440 violence. That's all you got. 1036 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,560 Like no, no sexual anything. Like really no profanity or 1037 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,480 anything in the show. But Oh yeah, suicide definitely. 1038 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,400 Because at the end of episode 1, this suicide colours like the 1039 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:17,160 next set of episodes. As this community grapples with 1040 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,240 her loss, the family completely falls apart. 1041 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,000 What the hell does the coordinator have to do with 1042 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,400 anything? And also like before that, we 1043 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,680 get to the coordinator too. It's like, why would a mom who 1044 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,400 just was basically given mom of the year award by these people 1045 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,960 because her kid got into, you know, it's Med school. 1046 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,320 Why would she kill herself? Like that's the other thing. 1047 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,080 This is a perfect community with perfect people and perfect 1048 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,120 children and perfect scores and perfect everything. 1049 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,160 And she's the epitome of the perfection. 1050 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,720 But she kills herself. So now that's why it's such a 1051 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,480 like mind blown moment because you're like, wait, what 1052 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,240 happened? Why did it happen exactly? 1053 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,680 But yes, then they are still chasing that portfolio even kind 1054 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,880 of after she dies and she they have that appointment with the 1055 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,600 coordinator. Unbelievable. 1056 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,080 Like the audacity on these people. 1057 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,880 Like it just gets worse. Like they have more and more 1058 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,280 moments where you're like, they're shameless. 1059 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,240 They have no shame whatsoever because they still, especially 1060 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:22,840 Pixie cut, only cares about yes all getting into SNU Med school. 1061 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,400 Yep. And it's interesting because 1062 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,000 it's like such as tight knit community. 1063 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,960 They see each other every single day. 1064 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,160 They have their little book club and whatever going on and like 1065 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,080 so it's not like they're cold and distantly like distant 1066 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,440 neighbors. They're like all up on each 1067 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,920 other. It's like business or kids or 1068 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,000 friends, etcetera. And they know each other's 1069 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,880 business. So they kind of do mourn her 1070 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,280 when she dies. And then they're kind of like, 1071 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,320 OK, well, but anyways, back to getting my kid into school, into 1072 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,880 Med school or whatever school, like that's they really do just 1073 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,640 pivot to that. They're like, OK, well anyway. 1074 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,920 Yeah, their priorities are so out of whack. 1075 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,720 From then on, I think we're I think we should just talk about 1076 00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,400 like the families as units and what the hell happens to each 1077 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,920 one of them. Not necessarily going episode by 1078 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,280 episode because we'd just be here for four hours, but. 1079 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,520 I I think, I don't know, do you want to work backwards and talk 1080 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,840 about like maybe the smallest family, maybe Ginny's family? 1081 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,080 So side swept. Oh gosh, I love her. 1082 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,040 She's such a like trophy wife and like the best way. 1083 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,960 She is a trophy wife. And her husband's a dodo bird. 1084 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,560 Like, he is a surgeon, but he's also like, not the sharpest of 1085 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,400 the surgical tools. You're totally right. 1086 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,680 Like he's such a freaking dodo. It's so funny because this is 1087 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,440 this when this first aired the big news, because I watched it 1088 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,440 as aired, by the way, and there was a big talk of the town, this 1089 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,920 now defunct K pop girl group AOA. 1090 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,160 One of the girls in AOA was going to make a cameo 1091 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,840 appearance. And so he she does. 1092 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,200 And he's like, he's like Bengal, Bengal, like that or whatever. 1093 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,800 And he's like so excited, his character so excited for her. 1094 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,480 And it just was so perfect. It was so ridiculous, but sets 1095 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040 the scene and the tone of that family so well because they're 1096 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,320 definitely like the least on the most unserious ones of this 1097 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,440 crew. Yeah. 1098 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,320 And they're kind of like the most demonstrative of anyone 1099 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,280 because they kind of don't care about anything as much as they 1100 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,320 do. They're not, it's not that 1101 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,200 serious for them. But they then, but they look 1102 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,640 around, they're like, oh, I need to also be serious about this. 1103 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,240 Like I should also like want this. 1104 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,400 Yeah, like they're followers. They're not leaders. 1105 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,400 They're reading the room and they're constantly adjusting 1106 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,280 themselves to kind of meet what everybody else is demanding. 1107 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,840 And if everybody else is concerned about their kids 1108 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,320 getting into an IV essentially, then they're going to pressure 1109 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,920 their kid as well to get in. And they're taking their cues 1110 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,840 from from everybody else in the sky Castle rather than making up 1111 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,480 their own minds. And I think the husband at one 1112 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,840 point says to the wife, you had you're perfect except for one 1113 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,640 thing. You're so wishy washy. 1114 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,520 And she is. She's absolutely switching sides 1115 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,720 like all the time between plant lady and Pixie cut essentially. 1116 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,880 She's such a suck up to the Pixie cut for the longest time 1117 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,720 just 'cause she thinks like that'll get her whatever she 1118 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,680 needs to get in order for everyone else to think she's 1119 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,240 like, cool. Yeah, yeah. 1120 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,520 Because the Pixie cut has her kid is older, like is going 1121 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:23,440 through the process now. And her child Suan is like in 1122 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,600 middle school. So he does She's doesn't she 1123 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:30,280 doesn't have as much pressure as the other mothers who have their 1124 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,880 kids on the cusp of just about to enter high school and go 1125 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,560 through this process and need to keep their grades up. 1126 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,720 So she wants to basically benefit from their experience 1127 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,480 and you know, get all this Intel from the the mom, the Pixie cut 1128 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,720 mom. And that's why she's sucking U 1129 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,240 to her because she's like, well, she'll pass along all of this 1130 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,600 stuff. She'll give me the coordinators 1131 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,400 name and she'll put in a good word for me and yadda yadda 1132 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,280 yadda so on and so forth. But it gets totally it's so 1133 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,400 annoying but also so entertaining to watch because of 1134 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,840 the personality on this Ginny character like this. 1135 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,920 Memory, memory. She's always like. 1136 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,280 That's what I'm saying. But like, she's not so elegant, 1137 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,280 like she's not so refined like the other mothers. 1138 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:24,160 She is very kind of crude and very open. 1139 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,120 She's very extroverted. She's boisterous and. 1140 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,720 She doesn't have, like, quiet dignity, yes. 1141 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,360 Exactly, which makes her so much fun to watch. 1142 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,720 I mean, she gets syrup poured all over her, She gets her hair 1143 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,800 pulled, She's in like 50 cuffs, 7 point. 1144 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,240 Like she's like honestly, like so much fun. 1145 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,680 She has this buffoon of a husband. 1146 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,400 She has this idiot for a son who like does not want to study, 1147 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,240 does not like to study and is actually, you know, he's not 1148 01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,160 that smart, like unfortunately. So she's like trying to instill 1149 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:06,280 all of the same values and work ethic into her son when it's 1150 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,520 just not sticking. This all comes to a head with 1151 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,840 her family when the kid like kind of just runs away. 1152 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,120 Like he tries to run away at one point. 1153 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,800 Well, I think that was brilliant on the part of the writers 1154 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,840 because it could have made this whole family just be the goofy 1155 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,760 ass family on the block. But then they had like an actual 1156 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,440 real problem, which is the fact that the pressure was acutely 1157 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,560 felt by their kid. And he's he was like, I don't 1158 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,080 even want to be. I'd rather because she's very 1159 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,880 into porcelain and into her little porcelain. 1160 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,240 That was hysterical too, that she she had like. 1161 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,920 This one stuff, yeah. Like hobby that she had was was 1162 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,280 collecting porcelain, Yes. Yep, And she and he wrote that 1163 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,920 little school poem that's like, I'd rather be a, a my mom's 1164 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,000 coffee cup because she loves that better or teacup that she 1165 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,200 loves it better than me or whatever. 1166 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,400 It's like so dumb, like some dumb thing a kid was like so 1167 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,520 sad. It's so true. 1168 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,520 It's yeah, it's sad because it was just true feelings. 1169 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,720 He genuinely felt like kind of like, you guys don't value me. 1170 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,640 And he was the best of the kids at expressing it. 1171 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,120 She was the best of the moms, I would say at like receiving that 1172 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,840 information as after some, you know, some time, obviously. 1173 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,040 And then the dad, even the dad was just wanting like peace and 1174 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,760 harmony in his house. He was like, OK, go to school or 1175 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,200 don't go to school. He's just like, but make your 1176 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,840 don't upset your mom. You know, they're like, you 1177 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,040 know, he's like do whatever, but sort yourselves out. 1178 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,520 But they were kind of the most like in a way affectionate with 1179 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,160 each other. They seemed into each other. 1180 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,240 And then they were into their kid and nobody else was really 1181 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,200 as much like. Yeah, I I agree that this mom, 1182 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,640 she would have been my favorite if it wasn't for Bob Cut because 1183 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:43,120 she felt conflicted. I think those moments where they 1184 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,240 had her struggling with what to do. 1185 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,080 How do how do you reconcile these two halves of like, I want 1186 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,840 you to do well, I want to pressure you. 1187 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:58,120 I want to push you to succeed and excel at academics, but I 1188 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,200 don't want to. I don't want to torture you like 1189 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:05,120 I don't want to make you suffer through all of these years of 1190 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,680 schooling and going to the academies and going to bed past 1191 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,840 midnight and staying up late and constantly being on your ass. 1192 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,040 That is not a way to live. And she understood that. 1193 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,240 And so I respected her for she loved her son. 1194 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,960 Like she actually I believed her when she wanted her son to do 1195 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:32,240 well academically, but she also deeply loved her son and like 1196 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,000 was so affectionate with him and would like lay in the bed with 1197 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,120 him and like hug him and cuddle with him and stuff. 1198 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,120 And I'm like, Oh my God, like that is so cute. 1199 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,560 None of the other moms did that. And like, he's an only child, so 1200 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,920 this could be why. And she's a loudmouth, but he, 1201 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,240 there's also this thing, like he knew his mom. 1202 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,920 They know each other. They see each other, they know 1203 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,280 each other. Cuz he's like, you didn't do 1204 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,640 well in school. Why are you on my ass? 1205 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,120 So like, like they have, like they, he knows that about his 1206 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,280 mom. And you know, his dad's a 1207 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,960 surgeon and, you know, so did, you know, somewhat well, but 1208 01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,520 he's like, why are you being like this when you did? 1209 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,280 And she kind of takes a heart. She's like, yeah, I wasn't that 1210 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:05,880 good in school. I mean, you could see her, like, 1211 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,040 grappling with that with like, yeah, her inadequacy making my 1212 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,200 kid do. Yeah. 1213 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,880 I mean, and I'm trying to force my kid to do stuff I couldn't 1214 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,800 even do or didn't do, you know? So I really liked her. 1215 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,800 I thought she was fun and I I just loved seeing her 1216 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,240 relationship with her son and how after that moment where she 1217 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,880 almost loses him, like he almost does get away and run away, she 1218 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,640 rethinks her tact. I love her hair. 1219 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,080 And her hair is fabulous. Like, honestly, her hair is 1220 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,200 honest, a character in and of itself. 1221 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,800 It's beautiful. She can do no wrong. 1222 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,200 She is the best dressed of the whole of. 1223 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,240 All the best clothes. Yeah, the like spangled jacket 1224 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,280 that she's wearing on like a cold November morning in her 1225 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,600 neighborhood for no reason. Yeah, she's fabulous. 1226 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,000 A+, no notes. I, I love that family and I, I 1227 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,360 love their dynamic. I love how they end up a plus 1228 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,000 plus. So we're moving on to Sunghez 1229 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,720 family, which is our Bobcat family. 1230 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:10,440 OK, that's why I and Pyramid. Dad so it's Bob Cut and Pyramid 1231 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,920 Dad. They're the parents of three 1232 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,279 children and this was a whole last mess. 1233 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:18,760 Like we could be an hour just on them but. 1234 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,680 They should get a spin off they. Should they should have gone off 1235 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:23,640 well. They kind of did because they're 1236 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,240 on, they're on What's that show they're on right now. 1237 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,200 The two husband and the wife are on a K drama right now. 1238 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,479 Yes, Normal family or something. Something like that. 1239 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,240 And I heard it wasn't that good, but Oh yeah, OK, sorry. 1240 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,479 This isn't their spin off I. Guess this Yeah, but they got 1241 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,439 reunited in a 2424 show as husband and wife again. 1242 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,479 But it's because they were here as husband and wife very 1243 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:54,080 successfully in Sky Castle. I think they had a really juicy 1244 01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,160 storyline because, you know, you come to find out that she kind 1245 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,080 of signed up for this marriage sight unseen because she didn't 1246 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,240 ask him important questions about his values and what he 1247 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,720 wanted out of his children, what were his goals in life, yadda, 1248 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,920 yadda, yadda. Because she was so desperate to 1249 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,279 get away from her own patriarchal family, her own 1250 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,560 patriarchal father. And so she escaped right into 1251 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,359 another patriarchal, severely patriarchal man. 1252 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,920 OK, I wanna say something real quick about this Marriage 1 is 1253 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,560 that, and I don't know if they didn't say this in the show, but 1254 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,240 through the 1990s arranged marriage in Korea where your 1255 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,359 parents get together with another set of parents and like 1256 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,439 yeah, our kids are getting married and he'll be perfect. 1257 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,399 That was a thing. I don't know if that's the case 1258 01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,040 with them, but the other thing I wanted to mention, so I'm saying 1259 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,359 it could be The other thing I wanna mention is that Pyramid 1260 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,960 dad chose her or was willing to marry her 'cause again, I don't 1261 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,040 know if they were arranged by their. 1262 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,720 Parents, I don't think they were because he came from a poor 1263 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,440 upbringing. True. 1264 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,120 And he was not of the same, he was not of the same status that 1265 01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,240 she was. You're right, You're right. 1266 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:06,240 He kind of worked up to where he could marry her because he 1267 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,920 basically excelled academically and worked his way up, went to 1268 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,880 law school and, you know, did it the old fashioned like, like 1269 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,000 very, very American of him actually to do it this way. 1270 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,800 Pulled himself by his boots. Yeah, OK, well, also American 1271 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,000 way is the Aunt Becky methods, so don't forget that part 1272 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,120 either. But anyway, that is also 1273 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,240 American. But no, he he picked her because 1274 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:35,800 her her dad, Yeah, Congressman, congressman or senator or 1275 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,760 something. So it was like advantageous to 1276 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,320 him. And that kind of is his whole MO 1277 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,920 pyramid dad. Like everything has to be like 1278 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,280 something about him, like reflect well on him at the end 1279 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,240 of the day. Yeah, whatever it is, whatever 1280 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,400 his kids do, whatever his wife does, if it doesn't come back to 1281 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,760 like reflect him as a in a positive manner, he kind of 1282 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,280 isn't here for it. Yeah, and I thought it bit him 1283 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,920 in the ass and it was wonderful. I love to see it. 1284 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:01,160 So the mom, again, we kind of covered her a little bit in the 1285 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:06,840 non spoiler section, but she was a wonderful, astute mother 1286 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:12,120 because she understood, saw that her children were suffering 1287 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,360 under the thumb of their father and how he who was torturing 1288 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,560 them like he would literally have AI think it was a torture 1289 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,120 chamber. Their study room that was within 1290 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,200 the house was like this soundproof room. 1291 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,360 No doors, no windows. Jail cell vibes. 1292 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,200 Jail cell vibes. Very dark. 1293 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,160 He would make them compete against each other. 1294 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,560 He had it was it was a older daughter and twins. 1295 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,120 They're twins boys, but fraternal twins. 1296 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,600 They look nothing alike and he would make the twins compete 1297 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,360 against each other all the time and trying to foster this 1298 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:52,800 unhealthy level of competition between the brothers like their 1299 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,480 brothers. It kind of made no sense, but 1300 01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:00,160 also I could understand why he was trying to. 1301 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,480 It's almost like iron sharpens iron. 1302 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,680 He was trying to get them to improve each. 1303 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,360 Other it's like a dog fight kind of guy. 1304 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,080 Exactly. Exactly. 1305 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,680 That's not good, he. Was like a fight to the death 1306 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,360 kind of guy. Was very like gladiator style of 1307 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,520 teaching and tutoring. He would have a metronome. 1308 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,400 Them, they didn't go to hog one. No they didn't go to Hog 1. 1309 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,880 He did it himself like a crazy person. 1310 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,840 Oh, the metronome. The fucking metronome bro. 1311 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:36,840 And he anyway, Long story short, he was in the wrong 100% of the 1312 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,880 time in the show. Like there was never a point 1313 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,840 where I was like, you know what? He's got a point. 1314 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,600 Never. Never. 1315 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,960 Like he was always. Wrong. 1316 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,080 And I will say this actor did a good job of conveying this 1317 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,360 character's insecurities, being like, probably the leading 1318 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,120 factor to why he was the way he was. 1319 01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,160 Yeah, because he came, like you said, from kind of humble 1320 01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,120 origins now living in this Tony neighborhood with all these 1321 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,480 fancy people. And he wasn't even the fanciest 1322 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:01,960 of the fancy people cuz he wasn't a surgeon. 1323 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,920 He was just just in quotes a law professor. 1324 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,520 And that was like the lower of the, of the rankings of things 1325 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,880 to be when you're living as Sky Castle resident. 1326 01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,000 And he kind of made-up for it or overcompensated for it. 1327 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,280 But being like, you know what, I'll do you all a favor. 1328 01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:18,360 I will hold these book clubs and I will enlighten your children 1329 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,560 on the humanities so you can teach them about math, science, 1330 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,400 medicine. I'll handle like, you know, 1331 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,040 critical thinking and the great literature. 1332 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,360 He was thinking he could be a bastion of liberal the arts and 1333 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,680 he he didn't even get it. Like he didn't even get the 1334 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,920 liberal art like the the book club. 1335 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,800 You want to talk about the book club? 1336 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,440 So that was painful as shit. That was in the early episodes 1337 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,080 where they were taking the kids to these book clubs and the 1338 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,640 parents also were going to this book club in Sky Castle. 1339 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,520 It was only for the Sky Castle residence. 1340 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,040 Well, it was in there. It was in there a little like 1341 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,720 rec center slash. They had a clubhouse. 1342 01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,480 Yeah, yeah, they had a clubhouse. 1343 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,240 I love, I love that they had that and I was obsessed with 1344 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,080 that. Like the sets of. 1345 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,680 Yeah, he's done. It was awesome. 1346 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,240 And that was, yeah, that was one place I wanna hang out in the 1347 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:06,880 clubhouse. The me too, because that's a 1348 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,920 nice ass club. I had like a library in it. 1349 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,840 It was great. It was like 10 stories high 1350 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,320 anyway, it had bedrooms in it. It had bedrooms and it had like 1351 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,640 a whole last anyway. He was picking extremely 1352 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:24,520 difficult books to read, dense books to read, novels that 1353 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,120 nobody could understand or digest. 1354 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:32,560 And he was doing it on purpose to beef up their reading list. 1355 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,040 But also I think to make himself seem like good or like smart 1356 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,120 because again, he's so like weirdly, so weirdly insecure. 1357 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,760 And I think he wanted to get these books where he knew like 1358 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,040 no one. And they were mostly books that 1359 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,160 were originally written in not Korean, right? 1360 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,680 Usually in English or some other language. 1361 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,760 And then there he yes, So it gives her whole little like book 1362 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,000 report starts it in English and then it's like, never mind, I'll 1363 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:56,720 switch to English. She does. 1364 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,880 She starts it as fluent English and everyone's like I, I what 1365 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:06,200 the look on everyone's faces. But yeah, he's just this 1366 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:12,760 egotistical, proud, selfish, pretentious, but. 1367 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,680 Small small man like you know yes you could do. 1368 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,520 His ego is big but his self worth is small. 1369 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,920 Yes. And so he was doing too much. 1370 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,960 Like he was literally just doing too much. 1371 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,960 He needed to do nothing at all. Like he would just help by doing 1372 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,360 nothing. And the book club, I mean, you 1373 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:37,280 see a lot of like how each character approaches academia, 1374 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,800 like other personalities in the group. 1375 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,240 The beauty of the book club is the parents participate too. 1376 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,240 It's not exactly. Exactly. 1377 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,080 So you have Little Miss Hair, the beautiful side hair reading 1378 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,240 Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche and it's like she's 1379 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:57,000 like what the fuck is this? And honestly, it's like a former 1380 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,720 English major. This is hysterical to me. 1381 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:05,680 Like this level of like, my God, it's just so annoying. 1382 01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,160 Like to see these, to see this man pretentious. 1383 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,840 It's so pretentious. Like it's on another level. 1384 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,760 We all knew that guy. And we all know this guy like 1385 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,600 you've seen this guy like, you know, a person like this. 1386 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,960 So anyway, he is complimenting yes. 1387 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,120 Or for her take on one of the books. 1388 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,480 I can't even remember what book it was. 1389 01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:27,160 I think it was the selfishness gene. 1390 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,080 Or it was the selfishness 1 And she was like, I learned that it 1391 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,480 was good to be selfish, good to place myself 1st and to your. 1392 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,800 Own self-interest. Yeah. 1393 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:42,320 And he was like, yes, yes, yes, that's exactly I think. 1394 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:43,920 Sorry. I'm doing like a little 1395 01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,840 impression of him too, like with the arms. 1396 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,120 Yeah, it's getting me now. So it's embarrassing. 1397 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,000 Like he's embarrassing. And yes, all is also 1398 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,000 embarrassing because you can see how conceited, cringy and cringy 1399 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,320 she is. Oh my God. 1400 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,080 Like. She has that conceit, that 1401 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,000 special conceit that only a 1617 year old girl can have Honestly 1402 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,880 so amazing, yes, amazing like you're like a job You're you 1403 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,840 hate her still from like you're like oh. 1404 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,000 My God, get her a paper bag. She needs to hide her face. 1405 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,520 It's that bad. Like you're like, Oh my God, but 1406 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,800 he's eating it up. And his kids, the twins, I hate 1407 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,800 him. They hate the book club. 1408 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,720 They don't want anything to do with him. 1409 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,680 And one of his kids had like a beautiful take on one of the 1410 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,800 books about how I can't even remember what the take was 1411 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,280 honestly. But it doesn't matter. 1412 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,960 The fact that like he had a very nuanced take and it was a very 1413 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,520 personalized thing and how he felt about studying, basically 1414 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,560 being forced to study. And the dad was like your 1415 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,640 opinions wrong. Like he basically it was a 1416 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,960 dictatorship and it was not a book discussion at all. 1417 01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,280 The book club eventually gets disbanded. 1418 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:07,720 It comes to not because of his tyranny and plant mom comes in 1419 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,760 to save the day and she's like, what is this book club? 1420 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,800 Actually? You guys are unhinged. 1421 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,720 And she puts a stop to it in the course of the show. 1422 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,200 It's a drop in the ocean. Like the book club is not even a 1423 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,920 thing really. But it shows it, it's so good in 1424 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,360 the early episodes because it shows you how everyone kind of 1425 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,720 operates. And also in us in this show full 1426 01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,840 of overbearing women and mothers, he's the overbearing 1427 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,680 dad. He is just oppressive about all 1428 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,080 this. If he's just as obsessed as the 1429 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,600 ladies are, he's the one who forces the Bob lady to go to the 1430 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,040 bank and he gets somehow gets her a bank card to show up the 1431 01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,440 same meeting and bid for the coordinator the same way ESO's 1432 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:49,920 mom bids for her. And it's because of his analness 1433 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,320 about it. He's so uptight. 1434 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,320 Yeah. And I think that the moment that 1435 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,680 you find out his daughter never went to Harvard and she. 1436 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,560 Was doing. This like huge fraud and con 1437 01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,800 Harvard was suing her. She like fled the states. 1438 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:12,360 I was like, oh. Her American aunt just being 1439 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,520 like freaking out in Korean and then being like, Oh my God. 1440 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,400 Yeah, yeah, the the terrible English. 1441 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,800 Exclamations in the middle of her like, freak out. 1442 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:25,920 Makes sense, though. No, I mean, it was such a payoff 1443 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,960 like this. This family story is has such 1444 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,840 payoff cuz he's so obnoxious. And then they basically like, 1445 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:32,440 they pull the rug out, call him out. 1446 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,640 Yeah, yeah. They do everything so that he is 1447 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,600 super humbled. And that is the fun part about 1448 01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,360 them. Yeah. 1449 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,560 But it takes a while to get there. 1450 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:41,520 It does. It does. 1451 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,040 Take a lot. Again, long painful ride. 1452 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,960 Yeah, I do like the moment when the daughter comes back home 1453 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,560 after he finally he, she, she texts him that she lied she 1454 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,760 never got into Harvard. It's been this whole elaborate 1455 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,280 lie. She's been just staying at 1456 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,720 Harvard dorms without. Hanging it. 1457 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,400 It's been this entire. And this stuff she tells her 1458 01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:08,240 parents that like she's, you know, volunteering with Malia 1459 01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:12,080 Obama, who at the time was a Harvard student and she's like 1460 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,080 going to intern at the White House or whatever the hell she's 1461 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,320 telling her dad was all perfect stuff for she knew how to feed 1462 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,240 her dad these lines that he would, you know, eat up with a 1463 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,320 spoon. And that's kind of where some of 1464 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,200 his ego did come from because that's this was the one area 1465 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,160 where they did feel confident. And they were like the second 1466 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,040 family in a way. Like if young Jay's mom and dad 1467 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,920 were the like the first most like prestigious because of 1468 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,400 their son's success and they were like the second most 1469 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,240 because she was just at Harvard, not necessarily at like a Med 1470 01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,520 school, but still she. Went to an Ivy in the space, 1471 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,520 yeah. Yeah, yeah, still pretty, pretty 1472 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:42,520 damn good. So yeah. 1473 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,000 And then to have all that be fake and false. 1474 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,920 And it was crazy. And the way, like her, the way 1475 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,600 her mom comes to find out about it and how they, like portrayed 1476 01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,360 in the show where she's having these secret like closet 1477 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,720 conversations with her sister in the in the literal closet being 1478 01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,800 like, what are you saying right now? 1479 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,120 Like, what are you telling me? And her sister's like, I'm 1480 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,800 saying I now owe Harvard University $60,000. 1481 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,480 I don't. Because Harvard's suing my ass. 1482 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,240 Yeah. What is wrong with your 1483 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:06,840 daughter? Yeah. 1484 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,080 The conversation that the daughter has where she's 1485 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:16,160 basically saying you didn't love me unless I was doing well in 1486 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,800 school. You didn't see me unless I was a 1487 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,280 Harvard student. And why can't I just be your 1488 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,960 daughter? And you know, you're such, 1489 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,800 you're so small. She kind of like starts calling 1490 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,960 him on his shit and saying that she's not a failure the way that 1491 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:39,600 she was raised was wrong and that he the dad is a failure 1492 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,880 because none of the family respects him. 1493 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,920 Yeah, she says it's you're a failure if your family doesn't 1494 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:46,920 respect you or something like that. 1495 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,360 I don't know where she got that from, if that was a quote. 1496 01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,520 Do you remember where that came from or that just something she 1497 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:50,880 said. No, I. 1498 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,120 Think that's just something she said. 1499 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,160 OK, so she's like, you're the failure, not me. 1500 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,520 Yeah, because no one here respects you. 1501 01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,080 Yeah. And then he starts turning to 1502 01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,480 the twins, turns to his wife. He's like, do you respect me? 1503 01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:08,640 And they're like, no, it's fantastic, but it's absolutely 1504 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:09,920 true. And it's heartbreaking in the 1505 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,360 moment when she's like, he slapped her and she's on the 1506 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,280 floor, you know? He's pretty violent. 1507 01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,680 He's violent like he disappoints of twins all the time. 1508 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,840 The twins are trying to like save their Nuna and all this 1509 01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:23,960 stuff and their mom all the time. 1510 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,320 We don't really see him do much with the wife like as far as 1511 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,920 physical violence is concerned. But it's the underpinnings of 1512 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,400 all that is there like underlying. 1513 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,400 Yeah, he's certainly abusive, and at one point she's at the 1514 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,760 end of the show, she threatens divorce, which I think she 1515 01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,440 should have done 20 years ago, but it's okay. 1516 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,680 I will say, I, I, I pretty sure that still to this day, like 1517 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,560 it's obviously not uncommon, I don't think anymore. 1518 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,840 But in Korea there was this, this, and we had this too in the 1519 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,640 US, like when again, as an elder millennial child in the 80s and 1520 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,040 my my parents would ask me like, is your new friend from school? 1521 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,000 Are their parents divorced? I don't know why that was the 1522 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,160 question, but they would check they were like, are they 1523 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,800 divorced? Because that's a little shady. 1524 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:04,640 Yeah, I don't know. It was just some weird thing of 1525 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,920 like, it's not considered good, quote UN quote. 1526 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,000 I don't know why in in a societal level to be divorced. 1527 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,880 And in Korea, I think it may still be the case to some 1528 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,280 extent, maybe more so than here. And I'm just venturing guests 1529 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,320 here, so don't take my word for it. 1530 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,960 But they're definitely. And a family like that, it would 1531 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,920 probably be also like considered a flaw. 1532 01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,680 And we were trying to maintain this level of perfection or this 1533 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,560 appearance of perfection that you get a divorce because that's 1534 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,840 a failure of a marriage and any failure is an L, basically. 1535 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,200 So so. Certainly for this very small 1536 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,480 pyramid man who was obsessed with being at the top of the 1537 01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:37,280 pyramid. Yes. 1538 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,240 She threatens divorce though, at the end of the show. 1539 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,960 She gives him like an ultimatum of like, if, if you don't want 1540 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,120 me to divorce, you're going to have to like basically change 1541 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,160 how you behave and interact with the kids and you're going to 1542 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,440 start respecting them. You're gonna let them do a 1543 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:50,360 little bit of what they wanna do. 1544 01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,680 What killed me though, was how Sarah, their daughter, went from 1545 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,000 a fake Harvard student to party promoter and the mom, like going 1546 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,720 to bat for the party promoter and like, it is like, it's a 1547 01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,200 valid job. But it was just funny how 'cause 1548 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,120 that you would think like she's like, I'll go to nursing school 1549 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:06,720 or something. Kind of placate her, you know, 1550 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,680 that whole like need for their parents to like maintain these 1551 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,000 appearances or prestige or whatever perceived prestige. 1552 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,120 But she's like, no, I'm gonna be a nightclub promoter. 1553 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,480 Yeah, she was like, I'm not going to college at all. 1554 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,280 Who needs college? Yeah, that was so funny to me. 1555 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:21,600 And I, I just found it so hilarious. 1556 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,440 And then he's like party promoter and he's like just 1557 01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:27,160 sputtering with like, rage. He's like, what are you talking 1558 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,600 about? Like, no daughter of mine. 1559 01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,160 Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, in my translation it said 1560 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:39,880 like marketing director and I was like, OK, all right. 1561 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,720 So I think that's enough of that family. 1562 01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:46,800 I really enjoyed seeing their story and how the mom took 1563 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,360 matters into her own hands and he like fell from the apple 1564 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,280 tree. Like it was a whole reckoning 1565 01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:59,680 for him truly. I mean he wanted her labor. 1566 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,800 Like he could not exist without her. 1567 01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,520 Like he couldn't feed himself, he couldn't take care of 1568 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,440 himself. He was a mess without her. 1569 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,360 She made his life. Work. 1570 01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,200 All the husbands really were like, get me my suit, get me my 1571 01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,880 golf clubs, get me my whatever. And the wives go scurrying to 1572 01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,360 get them even though they're like, they have like a, for lack 1573 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,280 of a better word, servant, domestic. 1574 01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,960 It's a servant. I thought it was a servant as 1575 01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,280 well. I'm like, oh, it's a maid that 1576 01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,040 has weekends. Off. 1577 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,960 She's a servant. It's a servant, but Despite 1578 01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,240 that, it's still the on the wife right to do this then the other 1579 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,080 so we're. Going to move on to. 1580 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,520 I don't know, do you want to move on? 1581 01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,800 To I think we should save, yes. So it's family for last. 1582 01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,400 OK, all right, so let's do swim. Which is the mother, the plant 1583 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,480 lady, and she's married to Doctor Huang. 1584 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,240 Yes, she's also children's book author. 1585 01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:59,000 Yes, the children's book author Mom slash Plant lady and their 1586 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,240 son is Uju. Yeah. 1587 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:04,560 Damn. Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1588 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:10,320 So this, this poor lady, I mean, this whole family, they just, 1589 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,480 they put them through the wringer. 1590 01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:18,240 They try to destroy this family. I think the the fun part about 1591 01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:22,920 them coming into the neighborhood, like basically 1592 01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,800 rising from the ashes of Yongjie's family, the mom. 1593 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,720 Who can move into that house? They move into that house. 1594 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,920 They move into the that original house where like the young Jay 1595 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:38,160 the SNU kid, he like goes missing and. 1596 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,240 His dad quits. His job, quits the job in the 1597 01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:41,840 hospital, the moms committed suicide. 1598 01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,080 The whole family was toe up from the flow up. 1599 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,280 And so they move into that house. 1600 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:52,440 They're like free thinkers. They are, you know, very hands 1601 01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:55,760 off when it comes to Uju's education. 1602 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,720 He just studies on his own. He doesn't have any private 1603 01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,360 tutors. He doesn't go to the Hagwan. 1604 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:06,840 She's a stay at home mom but she also the husband helps out at 1605 01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,880 home. He's seen folding towels and 1606 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,600 clothes. And he's a surgeon or whatever 1607 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,040 too. Or not a. 1608 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,920 Surgeon. And he, yeah, he's a surgeon as 1609 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,680 well, A different kind. Right. 1610 01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a neurosurgeon. 1611 01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,800 Even though he's a highly educated professional, he's 1612 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,120 doing domestic duties along with her. 1613 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,640 At home, he's washing dishes. He's helping set up the table. 1614 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:34,120 It's a wonderful sort of utopia like existence that none of the 1615 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:39,480 other families see, of almost closer division of household 1616 01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:41,360 labor between the husband and wife. 1617 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:48,360 They have a wonderful angelic child who is smart and is eager 1618 01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:52,560 to learn, eager to study. Doesn't require coaxing or 1619 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,640 beating him over the head with a textbook to try and get him to 1620 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,920 study and he does extremely well in school. 1621 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:04,920 He was like #1 to enter high school ranked the same as Yeso. 1622 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:11,640 Upon entering this Sheena High School, this poor lady has the 1623 01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:16,440 heart of a journalist because she starts digging deep into the 1624 01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:20,560 mess of the family that was living in the house before them. 1625 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,120 She catches Yebin, yes, his younger sister and her petty 1626 01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,160 thievery at the 711 or whatever her type of convenience store 1627 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:33,000 and tries to intervene, tries to help her, tries to be a parental 1628 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,240 guidance figure, someone adult she going to trust. 1629 01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,440 At least she is. Also, I need to shut it out 1630 01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,720 because right now I have adoption, Korean adoption 1631 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,000 season, my podcast, but she's an adoptive mother to who I keep 1632 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:45,920 calling. His name's Ujib. 1633 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,000 I keep calling him Chani because he's Chani from SF9. 1634 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,480 Yes, he is. So he's Chani's adoptive mother 1635 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:55,200 because Chani's biological mother passed away, got ill and 1636 01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,800 passed away. And that's his trauma that he 1637 01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,480 has and part probably partially why they're so easy on him in a 1638 01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:03,720 way. But yeah, so it's a stepmother, 1639 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,720 which is rare to have, like, again, such a wonderful 1640 01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,280 relationship. Like, he really treats her as a 1641 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,520 mother. She really treats him as her own 1642 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,400 son. They truly love each other. 1643 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:22,080 No one could guess that she was the stepmom until it was, you 1644 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:27,040 know, brought up as gossip in the Sky Castle community. 1645 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:33,160 This is highly unusual. Like, to see this family be so 1646 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:39,240 successful was an outlier because, you know, she didn't 1647 01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,120 come from money. The doctor husband also didn't 1648 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,800 come from money. He's an orphan. 1649 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,000 She's the daughter of an orphanage. 1650 01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,160 She's the daughter of like an orphanage director, and she says 1651 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:54,120 that growing up she didn't even realize that she had parents 1652 01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,760 because of the way she was treated in the OR. 1653 01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,000 I wish I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1654 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,120 Like you didn't know she had parents, so she was just kind. 1655 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,000 Of one of the orphanage kids, she thought she was one. 1656 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,000 Of the orphanage kids, she thought she was an orphan 1657 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,360 growing up because her parents, I guess like, did not treat her 1658 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,920 as a child of theirs. At all. 1659 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,080 So not specially not any more special. 1660 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,880 Than not any more special than any of the other orphanage kids. 1661 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,840 I guess all of these things taken together they are like a 1662 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,680 gorilla in the desert. They are like a totally out of 1663 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,400 place. I thought that them being 1664 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,160 disruptors in this little community was brilliant. 1665 01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,520 By being normal, they're just normal. 1666 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,720 Yeah. And then being just normal and 1667 01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:41,920 wonderfully mundane in this community was great. 1668 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,280 You always, I always like those stories of like the poor girl 1669 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,320 and the rich guy. This is like the poor family 1670 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,520 suddenly elevated to this different status in this 1671 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,200 different community and all of a sudden they are. 1672 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,280 Their values do not align with everybody else's values. 1673 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,200 Well, it's interesting and we're going to talk about this family 1674 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,080 later, but the way she is from the pretty much similar 1675 01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,000 background to Yesso's mom's family, but they're being from 1676 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,720 and same with even like the pyramid dad, they're from these 1677 01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,720 like more humble beginnings compared to everybody else in 1678 01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,000 Sky Castle. But the dad, yes, sorry, this 1679 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,360 pyramid dad, Yesso's mom approach it with like this 1680 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,480 ferociousness like we need to be, we have to be. 1681 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,040 It's an imperative that everybody gets pulled as high as 1682 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,840 they can on up the pyramid ladder to the very top. 1683 01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,200 Yeah. So if that means like cheating 1684 01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,720 or whatever, like almost to that point of almost, they actually 1685 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,480 don't condone cheating, but they're almost to that point of 1686 01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:41,560 like, OK, get me the best coordinator. 1687 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,480 If I have to open a bank account, if I have to spend my 1688 01:31:43,520 --> 01:32:01,720 mother in You think you're so righteous 1689 01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,600 with your humility and your like common man story, but like 1690 01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,520 actually you also live here with the elite so don't pat yourself 1691 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,480 in the back too hard. Exactly. 1692 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,000 So you're you're in this like zoo with the rest of us. 1693 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,400 So I don't understand why you're like thinking that you're out in 1694 01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,560 the wild and you're above us. In some ways. 1695 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,280 I understood their animosity toward her because at first when 1696 01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,520 they meet her and they're wondering how her son does so 1697 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,640 well in school, and she's like, yeah, he just says, well, like, 1698 01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,040 he just studies. It's nothing. 1699 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,600 It's not a big deal. And they realize that she looks 1700 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:40,680 down on people who send their kids to the Hagwan, who are 1701 01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:45,200 super concerned with the grades and who have this, their 1702 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,840 mentality, the sky castle mentality, right? 1703 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,640 They immediately shun her. And I was like, you know what? 1704 01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:56,200 If I was there, I would shun her too because that was bullshit. 1705 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,320 Like how can she look down on them? 1706 01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:04,920 Like because if I I feel like if I had the means I would do the 1707 01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,120 same thing. Not to their level, obviously. 1708 01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:09,200 I yeah. And I think it's also like. 1709 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:14,400 Within my like US western centric way, I would get tutors 1710 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,120 for my kids if they were struggling in math. 1711 01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:20,000 I would like you know, do you hire people if they needed it 1712 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,640 and not just struggle, just hit your head against the wall 1713 01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,280 because you know, you're bad at me, you suck at math, OK, 1714 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:27,880 whatever. Like you know what I'm saying? 1715 01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,200 Well, because she's privileged in a different way. 1716 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,520 She is still the wife of a surgeon, which is what the rest 1717 01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,600 of them are too. So it's not like she is just 1718 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,640 like a little Bo Peep over here or somebody. 1719 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:42,240 And then also she, her son is just naturally gifted, naturally 1720 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,640 actively kind. He doesn't. 1721 01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,680 He's number one and #2 neck and neck with henna and yes. 1722 01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:53,440 So without having to resort to like Hagwan or coordinators or 1723 01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,480 whatever, he's extremely charming and affable. 1724 01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:57,480 He's like about to be, He could be student council president. 1725 01:33:57,480 --> 01:33:59,560 He'd be a shoo in the twins, tell him, and he's like, I don't 1726 01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:00,800 even care. And then he's like, actually, 1727 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,880 no, I do, because he's like, crush is gonna run. 1728 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,320 So he's like very like, he's just one of those people. 1729 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,000 Yeah, you have a perfect son and. 1730 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,520 This guys gonna walking down. At us because we don't have a 1731 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,160 perfect son. Like a perfect. 1732 01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,400 It was annoying. She was immediately annoying in 1733 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,520 that respect, Yeah. And I wondered if you felt the 1734 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:20,880 same or if you felt some type of. 1735 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,920 Way I thought a couple things that I think redeemed her in a 1736 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,640 way for me because she was annoying a lot of these things 1737 01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,080 were annoying about her and the fact that she's kind of 1738 01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,280 self-righteous and kind of pretentious in a different way 1739 01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,120 and she thought she's such a great mom, which she was but 1740 01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,880 they thought they were great moms by being like this. 1741 01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,560 It was just different perspectives in a way. 1742 01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,240 Like even if like they're like, yeah, my kids going to suffer 1743 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,440 because I'm going to be a little tyrant for like however long, 1744 01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:43,200 but then they're going to go to wherever and. 1745 01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,680 That's it'll all be worse in their mind, it was all. 1746 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,120 Worth it in their mind, which I don't agree with it because then 1747 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:49,880 you have to suffer through four or however many years of Med 1748 01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:51,640 school and then you know, then you're a surgeon for rest your 1749 01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,520 life and that's not an easy life. 1750 01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,440 So but whatever that was their outlook and hers was like this 1751 01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:58,320 other one. But the things that redeemed, it 1752 01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,840 was like they kind of show us Chani's family, the plant family 1753 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,600 after they've overcome and healed a lot of their familial 1754 01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,640 wounds where like Chani says, there's time when I didn't like 1755 01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,800 my mom and I was missing my real mom. 1756 01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,880 And like there was Chandy used to act out as a younger person 1757 01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,480 and then they now he like calls her mom and they like, she's 1758 01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:18,840 like, Oh my God, my son. And like they have this super 1759 01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,880 different dynamic. So we meet them here at this 1760 01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,880 place where they're at now. So they've overcome their own 1761 01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,280 obstacles and hurdles. So I was like, OK, I don't like 1762 01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,840 kind of, I'm not so annoyed with her now because she definitely 1763 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,160 did struggle and didn't just have this like magically gifted 1764 01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,680 perfect son, Although she herself is like, I do feel like 1765 01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,480 this was just a gift from God I got for like no reason. 1766 01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:37,840 This is perfect son. But they they do have these like 1767 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,480 issues. And then the dad is also like, I 1768 01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:44,320 don't know, he's principled and things like that, but he's not 1769 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:45,920 about throwing a punch. You know, they're they're 1770 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,600 everything here is like, so like I'm dignified and I'm this and 1771 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,280 I'm not going to torture my kids and blah, blah. 1772 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,200 But then like he can be petty too, a little bit. 1773 01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,440 And they have like the kind of their own little like hang ups 1774 01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:58,480 that's different. So, and she's nosy as hell. 1775 01:35:58,480 --> 01:35:59,760 Like why is she all up in their business? 1776 01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,520 She. Is all up in their business like 1777 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,240 for many, many of their little things. 1778 01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,680 I was like, OK, she should just like get away from yebin get in 1779 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,560 the car and drive away. I don't understand like that's 1780 01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:14,560 not her child. Yeah, get away from. 1781 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,320 Young Jay's dad. Get away from young Jay, stop 1782 01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,920 stalking the coordinator, get away from yebin. 1783 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,200 Like it's all like it gets to like the point such as you're 1784 01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,600 like, that's weird, like. She's doing too much. 1785 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:30,280 And and she was self-serving in her in her own way because she 1786 01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:35,840 wanted to write a book about all the happenings in Sky Castle. 1787 01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:42,000 And she was doing this maybe to make money, to make a name for 1788 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,720 herself as an author. She hadn't written a book in 1789 01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,880 like over a decade. And so all of these things taken 1790 01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,720 together, I'm like, she's not this perfect Angel who's like 1791 01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,200 doing this out of the goodness of her heart either. 1792 01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:56,680 There's a lot of things that play here that, you know, she's 1793 01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,160 doing this out of pride, out of stubbornness. 1794 01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,880 She has her own complexes and trauma. 1795 01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,600 Even from this fact that she married an orphan, like there's 1796 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,720 nothing wrong with that, but it was interesting she married a 1797 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,600 kid, I mean a man at that point because. 1798 01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,280 She didn't marry Kitch. She did not marry another. 1799 01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,320 Kid, but that guy was in her or her parents orphanage or her 1800 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,560 whoever ran it orphanage that and then she was like also like 1801 01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,200 trying to convey herself as like I'm this former educator 1802 01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:26,120 children's book author who writes about these metaphorical 1803 01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:28,880 stories about childhood trauma or some kind of trauma because 1804 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,080 her books were kind of harrowing and then she was like my my 1805 01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,680 husband is a is someone who was orphaned and and also a widower 1806 01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,960 and my son I'm not. OK, Mother Teresa, like, you 1807 01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:43,040 know, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then she's like, I'm 1808 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,120 gonna be in touch. I'm gonna like hold you Evan's 1809 01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,000 hand and find out what's really wrong with her 'cause no one's 1810 01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,000 bothering to check with her. And she had a point, but she 1811 01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,360 didn't have to be the one to make that point. 1812 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,200 You know, it's just very self-serving. 1813 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:53,760 Like she's like, I will be the one. 1814 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,360 And then when she went to write the book, people were like, 1815 01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,600 seeing this book is like potentially tawdry, which I and 1816 01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,400 tacky, but she's like, no, it's gonna be a search for justice. 1817 01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,520 I was like, OK. I could understand, I could 1818 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,120 understand both viewpoints absolutely that she wanted to. 1819 01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,800 It changed society and everyone was like, first of all, this is 1820 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,600 the hot Goss and #2 this is not going to change nothing. 1821 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,080 And I was like, yes, and yes, so like what everyone is saying, 1822 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,920 but also this is a witch hunt. So I understand why she feels 1823 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,200 threatened and cornered and why she would be. 1824 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:29,600 She feels she's stubborn and so she's going to do it anyway. 1825 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:33,840 So her writing the book, I, I mean, it was, she was very 1826 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,960 complex. Every character was complex, but 1827 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,680 she was very particularly complex because you could easily 1828 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,680 write her off as just being a good character. 1829 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,000 But I think she has a hero. Complex. 1830 01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,120 The writing here is easy and because of that student who 1831 01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,840 committed suicide, unfortunately or not because suicide, whatever 1832 01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,720 got hit like whatever both happened, I guess she's trying 1833 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,120 to quit suicide and got hit by a truck and. 1834 01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:56,760 She had her own trauma. On the scene, Yeah. 1835 01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,760 And so she's trying to constantly save kids. 1836 01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,800 It's like her whole thing. And yeah, so there's a lot 1837 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,520 definitely going on with her, Like, a lot, a lot. 1838 01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,600 But it's interesting that she has besties with the Bob Gurley. 1839 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,440 Like they were tight. Yeah, they were tight. 1840 01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,200 Yeah, for sure. So, Oh, did we want to talk 1841 01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,280 about Tani, like, at all or or would you? 1842 01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,680 Because he goes through, like, an epiphany at the end of the 1843 01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:22,920 show after he gets in prison, which is, like, I realize, like, 1844 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,480 school is not anything. Yeah. 1845 01:39:25,480 --> 01:39:29,200 He's like just done. Yeah, Oh my God, he did. 1846 01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:34,080 He does time and it's not funny, but it's like he's just sent it 1847 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:38,880 to juvenile detention and like has a like hard think. 1848 01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:41,840 We're kind of glancing over like the mock Jong of it because 1849 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,480 we're saving it for the last family. 1850 01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:48,520 But yeah, like he does time a little bit for a few months. 1851 01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,440 Yeah, he does a little bit of time actually, Channing and his 1852 01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,280 other roles too. So he's like always, like 1853 01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,720 wrongly accused, stuck in jail. Kuwait. 1854 01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,640 Recent kid yeah, yeah. So anyway, but he. 1855 01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,960 It was interesting he in jail was even more of an Angel than 1856 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,360 him at not in jail because he was like telling the other Ajima 1857 01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,440 is like, oh, you didn't have to worry about me or like, hey, 1858 01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:09,760 yeah. So like, chin up. 1859 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,080 And I was like, what is going on? 1860 01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,360 Like here You're so almost ruined. 1861 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,000 You kind. Very kind to everyone who was 1862 01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,440 ready to put him in jail for the rest of his life. 1863 01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,640 Yeah. And make him take the blame for 1864 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,040 this murder. Anyway, that's that family. 1865 01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,000 Anybody else that you want to talk about? 1866 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,680 Before we get to. Oh, hey, hey, and that should. 1867 01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,880 We should we do that after or no? 1868 01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:33,560 Well, we can do her with her family. 1869 01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,880 OK. Oh gosh, oh gosh, it's all 1870 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,320 right. So this is the final family and 1871 01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:43,760 I guess we'll just sit on this family for a a few minutes here. 1872 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,040 So Sojin is the mom Pixie Cup mom. 1873 01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:53,120 This is the the main inciting family of the whole Sky Castle 1874 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,360 show. Yeah, she loses her marbles, 1875 01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,120 basically. I mean, what do you have to say 1876 01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,400 for this? Lady, so I wish sure, I wish 1877 01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,880 there was way more to her back story. 1878 01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,920 Maybe there was originally and they just they were like these 1879 01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,960 episodes are getting longer and we don't have time and there's 1880 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,480 so many people. But she is the daughter 1881 01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:18,520 originally of a blood and tripe seller butcher guy. 1882 01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,960 And that's I guess extremely low class in crazy idea. 1883 01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:26,920 I know much about it dirty job and she gets to know as a child 1884 01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,760 E soem, which is plant lady because they are childhood 1885 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,160 schoolmates and something went down in their childhood where 1886 01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,720 their friendship gets ruined because a rumor gets spread on 1887 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:35,840 school. Or maybe the rumor is the fact 1888 01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,280 that she is the daughter of, I don't know what happened, 1889 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,880 daughter of a butcher, but something happens and she ends 1890 01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:43,680 up hating her but the plant lady denies to this her adulthood 1891 01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,840 years of like I know I wasn't the one who spread the rumor 1892 01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,640 about you 'cause I was. Yeah, she didn't tell the truth 1893 01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:52,200 about where her she lived and what her father did as right. 1894 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,800 And that and then somehow she ends up like even though he has 1895 01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,400 this other girlfriend for a while and his station in life is 1896 01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:00,440 way above hers. I don't know if it's like a 1897 01:42:00,440 --> 01:42:02,800 surprise pregnancy and the surprise pregnancy was yes, so 1898 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,560 but somehow the Pixie Hut lady ends up marrying the surgeon guy 1899 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:08,280 and the her mother-in-law hates her guts. 1900 01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:11,320 Oh yes, regards. And so she's like in repentance 1901 01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,640 or something. You need to you need to make 1902 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:19,280 sure this daughter, yes, becomes third generation of doctors in 1903 01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,440 our family that goes to stole National University medical 1904 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,080 school specifically. So you need to make that happen 1905 01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:24,880 and then I might forgive you. Maybe. 1906 01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:26,920 So that's like the big grudge against her that the 1907 01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,520 mother-in-law has. And I just wish we had way more 1908 01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,640 information on like the friendship, her childhood. 1909 01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,600 Why was her dad was alcohol. We found her dad was an 1910 01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,280 alcoholic and that abusive and she had lied. 1911 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,680 I didn't said Oh my my parents live in Australia and blah blah 1912 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,400 blah whatever. And like all these lies and she 1913 01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,800 has a fake name. Like that's not even her real 1914 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,400 name. The name she has is one that's 1915 01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,120 like I guess maybe easily recognizable as like lower 1916 01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,560 status, lower class or poor or rural or I didn't know what it 1917 01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,120 was. They were all laughing at her a 1918 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,040 real name once they find out what it is. 1919 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,480 And so it must be something recognizable in Korean of like 1920 01:42:57,480 --> 01:43:00,000 oh, this is like people from maybe this kind of rural area. 1921 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,720 I don't know. I was just guessing, but yeah, 1922 01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,120 like, I was like, would she be named like, you know, if you saw 1923 01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,440 someone named like Billy Sue or something, like, I don't know, 1924 01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:10,680 in the US you'd be like, oh, that's the one from the sticks, 1925 01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,360 OK. You know, so or like, whatever. 1926 01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,120 But. But yeah, so she has this giant 1927 01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,280 chip on her shoulder of like, she has been down this path of 1928 01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,680 like, or maybe not a path, but she was born into circumstances 1929 01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,000 that was like kind of the lowest of the low. 1930 01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,400 And she will never, ever get down to that level again. 1931 01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,240 So she's going to do anything almost to get yes, so and her 1932 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:33,120 kids and and to stay in this station of life where she's 1933 01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:34,640 achieved through marriage and whatever else. 1934 01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,240 And I don't know how she got there. 1935 01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,560 Did did did they say even though I've watched this like 4 times 1936 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,960 they did they really say? No, no, they never say how she 1937 01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:47,520 meets her husband, how she bagged the husband, or how she 1938 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,520 got rid of the first love of her husband. 1939 01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,120 I really think she just was the first one to be like, surprised 1940 01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:56,280 I'm having your kid. Yeah, I think she just beat her 1941 01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,600 to the punch. Yeah, I think she was just like, 1942 01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:06,280 yeah, I'm pregnant and then. And maybe she saw it as like a 1943 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:09,520 yeah, take it in. Whereas like the other his other 1944 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:13,800 girlfriend either didn't tell him in time or like kept it from 1945 01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,040 him intentionally or something to save him. 1946 01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,200 Whereas This is why I was thinking like the other 1947 01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,720 girlfriend that he had right before her didn't tell him on 1948 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:23,640 purpose. Maybe because she was like, he's 1949 01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:26,040 the third or whatever generation, second generation 1950 01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,000 doctor. I'm gonna interfere in his life. 1951 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,640 Let me just keep me in our. I mean, it was a matter of 1952 01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:35,440 child, right? Like right, 2-3 months between 1953 01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:39,560 their pregnancies when the ladies got pregnant with his 1954 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:44,000 children because. And maybe Yeso and Hannah are in 1955 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,400 the same. Year right, right and so then, 1956 01:44:47,480 --> 01:44:50,400 but whereas yeso's mom, I think I'm just guessing cuz we don't 1957 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,720 get this in back story. It was saw this as like her way 1958 01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:54,400 in. I'm gonna worm my way into the 1959 01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,680 status and maybe hen asthma was like let me not bother him in 1960 01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,960 his status and like disrupt his whole life and blah blah. 1961 01:44:59,960 --> 01:45:01,840 Blah right? I I just want to pause here and 1962 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:06,920 say like if this drama was made 20 years ago, the drama would 1963 01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,760 not be about Sojin. Like the Pixie cut mom, the 1964 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:16,880 protagonist or the mom would be the dying angelic mom who like 1965 01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:23,440 left to save the goatee dad from the embarrassment of having a 1966 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:27,640 child out of wedlock and not being accepted into this rich 1967 01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,760 family. And like that would be the K 1968 01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:32,400 drama. That would be the story. 1969 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:33,840 I agree. I agree. 1970 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,560 I think it's funny that they centered it on this lady who's 1971 01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:41,560 like a villain. But she is out of necessity. 1972 01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:42,720 Like that's kind of why I loved her. 1973 01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:43,880 I mean, I definitely loved her too. 1974 01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,960 She didn't pick her as my top babe mom, but she she's kind of 1975 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,560 incredible because she really overcomes all this stuff and 1976 01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,040 she's very conniving and she's very like, you know, 1977 01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,200 manipulative or whatever. She'll do whatever because she 1978 01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,240 has to. It's like survival skills go 1979 01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,760 into effect and she does not care like she will. 1980 01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,880 She'll humiliate herself in front of her mother-in-law as 1981 01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,920 many times as needed because but at least she has to keep her 1982 01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,520 station in life. She has to secure her children's 1983 01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,840 station in life. She secures the legitimacy of 1984 01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:13,040 her children and herself, her new fake identity, etcetera. 1985 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,360 And she, you know, just does all the self protecting things. 1986 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,080 But it's like there was a there was a reason for all that. 1987 01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,840 It wasn't just superficial, like the way pyramid dads felt very 1988 01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:24,840 like self-serving a dumb way Dad. 1989 01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:29,440 Yeah, yeah. So I loved her and her conniving 1990 01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:32,880 ways. Yeah, she's she's cool to watch. 1991 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:38,840 I mean, she's compelling to watch because she makes terrible 1992 01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,760 decisions. You question whether she loves 1993 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,840 her children. You get that she loves her 1994 01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,160 children, but you're like, does she really? 1995 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,080 She definitely has a favorite that was. 1996 01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:53,440 The OH clearly has a favorite child, like Yeso is for sure her 1997 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,720 favorite child. The fact that she didn't have a 1998 01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:03,120 son was a blow to her legitimacy as a daughter-in-law in that 1999 01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:06,600 family because sons are so obviously favored. 2000 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:13,760 The mother-in-law clearly wanted a grandson, not a granddaughter. 2001 01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:19,120 She's automatically trying to make up lost ground for not 2002 01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:23,800 providing an heir. She is trying to foster her 2003 01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:27,360 daughter into this third generation doctor that the the 2004 01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:30,000 mother-in-law wanted. So she's she's like, OK, if you 2005 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,720 can't have the son who's a doctor, I'll give you the 2006 01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:37,280 granddaughter who's a dog. Like instead of a grandson, a 2007 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:41,520 granddaughter who's a doctor, the third generation doctor that 2008 01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:46,080 you so desperately want. This objective does not leave 2009 01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:50,400 her body for 20 episodes. I mean. 2010 01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,520 She's so intense. She's so intense. 2011 01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:57,160 Honestly, all of these Sky Castle families are looking for 2012 01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,040 lawyers, Wall Street, elite Ivy League schools. 2013 01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,240 That's that's the level to which they aspire. 2014 01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:10,800 A successful child will elevate the mother's status and she's 2015 01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,600 looking for that acceptance from the mother-in-law. 2016 01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,440 But not only the mother-in-law, because she's lying to her kids 2017 01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,240 and she's going to keep up that life for life. 2018 01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,120 She does not care and she doesn't have any qualms about 2019 01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:21,880 it. And she's not even like she's 2020 01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:23,480 nothing. It's just like she's very like 2021 01:48:23,480 --> 01:48:24,960 this is an imperative, which is. Why? 2022 01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:30,000 I thought she might be like, a psychopath because she so coolly 2023 01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:37,040 lies to her children about her own identity for so long their 2024 01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:38,600 entire lives. She's lying. 2025 01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:43,080 She has fake parents that she sends them to see in Sydney, 2026 01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,800 Australia. Someone like, yeah, like she 2027 01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:50,880 hires people. And what kind of a person 2028 01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:55,560 devotes themselves to the lie? I think a person like her, she 2029 01:48:55,560 --> 01:49:00,480 has lived such a difficult life at the lowest status you can be 2030 01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:02,840 in Korean society. I'm assuming short of maybe 2031 01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,320 being unhoused or something, I don't know, but I think. 2032 01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,920 It's also in her head. No. 2033 01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,800 Yeah, is what I'm trying to get at. 2034 01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:14,560 Is that like she's not well, she's built, she has this drive. 2035 01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,400 Yeah, she's built the. Drive and ambition and the like, 2036 01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,520 whatever that is, it is true. It's true because again, even 2037 01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:26,680 though the orphanage dad, the guy who was in orphanage and 2038 01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,320 married the plant lady, the pyramid dad, they also had 2039 01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,360 difficult, so easy lives in their younger years. 2040 01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,440 They they're not like that. Like they're all kind of, I 2041 01:49:34,440 --> 01:49:37,560 mean, not the plant dad, but they're all kind of crazy, but 2042 01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:39,680 not to her level. Like she's got another different 2043 01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:43,000 fire and the way she gets pissed off, the way she grabs the 2044 01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:46,120 beautiful hair lady with by the hair and it was like, I will 2045 01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:47,000 kill you. I don't even care. 2046 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:48,400 No. No, no, she's threatening to 2047 01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,000 kill people left and right like she's playing a game. 2048 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:55,320 She plays a game of chicken with the plant lady where she runs 2049 01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:57,720 her off the road and threatens to kill her. 2050 01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:02,840 Like she is aggressive, crazy, like she's crazy. 2051 01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,760 So I think that's why it's so like the writers making Henna 2052 01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,560 like her match her counterpart. They see each other in each 2053 01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:11,360 other. It's themselves in each other. 2054 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,240 I should say so, cuz like they can match each other's crazy cuz 2055 01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:15,800 Henna too. She is. 2056 01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,640 She has no other fucks left to give. 2057 01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:19,760 Her mom is dead. Yeah. 2058 01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,840 She's like, she's got nothing. She's got to survive for real. 2059 01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:25,040 Like she's got to do something. Like I have nothing left to 2060 01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,000 lose. Yeah, she's nothing to lose. 2061 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,360 She has No Fear. She has no nothing. 2062 01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:30,840 And when she leaves her tries to leave her in the forest, she 2063 01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,000 turns around and gets her gets her because I think she realizes 2064 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,280 like Hannah doesn't even like on some level, Hannah doesn't care. 2065 01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,680 You can leave her in the forest. Hannah doesn't even care or cry 2066 01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,000 or anything. She's like and what? 2067 01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,480 So she turns around and gets her because she's like, why? 2068 01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:43,600 May as well just go get her because it's they both are kind 2069 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,160 of a match for each other in a way, because they're both lived 2070 01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:48,240 the most desperate circumstances. 2071 01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:51,160 I think either of them can imagine like being in and then 2072 01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:54,560 they're like here in this like sky Castle and as like this 2073 01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:57,000 charity case got to go to Sky Castle because she's like, 2074 01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,680 they're whatever. I don't know, like diversity 2075 01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,920 person. She's not wealthy and all that 2076 01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,880 kind of and stuff. But then she like points out all 2077 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,920 these like, you know, injustices or unfairness and special 2078 01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:10,480 treatments and different things like that. 2079 01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,880 Somehow works her way into and of course the coordinator gets 2080 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,480 her there into the house, finds out who her dad is like that, 2081 01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:21,080 that things just go crazy. Like after a certain point, it's 2082 01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:24,200 just like your brain is exploding with information 2083 01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:27,480 that's coming out about this family left and right. 2084 01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,200 I just I haven't my notes. I have one note. 2085 01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:34,240 This is from like episodes 3 through 5 early because after 2086 01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,000 episode 5 I stopped taking notes. 2087 01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:40,480 I would have a thesis if I tried to take notes on this show. 2088 01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:42,800 Definitely. Yeah, but I have here in all 2089 01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:44,720 caps. Pixie Cut is a raving 2090 01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,400 psychopath. She's manipulative towards the 2091 01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,560 teacher. By teacher I mean the 2092 01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,160 coordinator doing everything she can to get her back, bribing her 2093 01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,520 with gold bars and fancy packed homemade food, handwritten 2094 01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,080 apology notes. Until finally she prostrates 2095 01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:00,880 herself on her knees, crying for forgiveness. 2096 01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:05,640 It looks sincere, her promise that she would be OK if her 2097 01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,680 family turned into a disaster just like the other one, 2098 01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,680 Yongja's family. That she'll be OK with teachers 2099 01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,640 methods. But in the hallway she smirks. 2100 01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:20,040 Riley like a fox, like a crazy person, like a psychopath. 2101 01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:25,000 Because the amount of times that these women were twirling 2102 01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:30,040 mustaches with each other, especially the coordinator and 2103 01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:33,600 the Pixie cut. Yeah, another good match for 2104 01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,320 each other. They were well matched as well. 2105 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:40,440 Those three like Hannah this, which is a student, She's she's 2106 01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:44,120 a teenager, She's 17 years old, 17 or 18 years old. 2107 01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:50,320 So Hannah Pixie cut, one of the mom central mom and the 2108 01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,240 coordinator who we haven't even fucking gotten to that bitch. 2109 01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:58,880 Yeah, we haven't gotten to. Those three are like the Trinity 2110 01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:03,640 of the show. They are so well matched against 2111 01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:08,000 each other and it is like K drama crack to see them up 2112 01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,400 against each other. It is amazing. 2113 01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:15,680 And again, like this Pixie cut lady is diabolical. 2114 01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:18,320 Yep, you know she gets in the plant lady's face. 2115 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,800 The the line she kept saying to her, which is from their 2116 01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:22,840 childhood, and she even also says that I think to the hair 2117 01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:25,760 lady, but she's gonna rip your lips off your face, which I'm 2118 01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,200 sure is like maybe a Korean common insult, but it's just 2119 01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,320 like it sounds so much cooler than like I'll kick your ass and 2120 01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:32,840 English. She's like, I will rip your lips 2121 01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,360 off your face. I'll rip your lips. 2122 01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,000 Off my face. Oh, my God. 2123 01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,360 Rip your mouth. And you have no doubt. 2124 01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:39,720 Yeah, You have no doubt she'll do it. 2125 01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:40,840 Yeah. Yeah. 2126 01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:41,720 Rip your mouth. Yeah. 2127 01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:42,560 Something she's gonna do something. 2128 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,920 She's gonna rip your mouth. I just think she's a in various 2129 01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:48,960 points you're like, oh, she's got us together and then 2130 01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:51,600 suddenly she's a fucking lunatic. 2131 01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:55,560 Yeah, it's got to be stifling to act like live a lie every day, 2132 01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:58,400 24/7 to everyone. Yeah, to have like those crazy 2133 01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:06,480 eyes and be intimidating, just actively intimidating people who 2134 01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:11,080 for all intents and purposes, they're your friend, right? 2135 01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:15,160 The moment. I like the moment when she outs 2136 01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:19,040 herself with the plant lady. Oh yeah, that was crazy. 2137 01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,480 In the in the clubhouse. Well, what about in the 2138 01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:23,120 clubhouse too? Yeah. 2139 01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:26,000 But yeah, in the street. In this for everyone's street 2140 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,400 and this is an early episode when she says her famous I'll 2141 01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:33,120 rip your lips off your face or something, whatever that is. 2142 01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,560 Yeah. And plant lady's like Oh my God, 2143 01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:42,200 it's you. And she's like oh shit. 2144 01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:46,880 I just gave it away that I'm this girl from her past and we 2145 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,440 went to school together and we have this little history. 2146 01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:54,680 I love that moment because again, she's just. 2147 01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,760 It's like a rabid animal. Like this lady. 2148 01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,520 The Pixie cut lady acts like a rabid animal at times. 2149 01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:04,000 That's what I'm saying. Like she's kind of feral because 2150 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,840 of how she grew up. Like she grew up unparented. 2151 01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:10,280 She grew up with everyone hating her by virtue of where her 2152 01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,720 station in life was, which she had no control over because she 2153 01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,400 was a baby slash child. She believes she's been betrayed 2154 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,640 by her bestie. She trusts no one and she kind 2155 01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,320 of isn't like she can, she's like this. 2156 01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:23,120 And not to excuse it or anything, but just like she's a 2157 01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:25,560 reason for why and how she can be so diabolical. 2158 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:29,320 And henna can kind of identify with it because she kind of has 2159 01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:33,040 somewhat similar stuff going on where like a single mom, very 2160 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:37,080 poor sick mom, you know, knows she's better than everyone, at 2161 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:39,720 least academically and hates it, you know what I mean? 2162 01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:42,880 So they kind of have these like chips on their shoulder And and 2163 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,920 it's interesting because even other people who come from the 2164 01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,040 sheep, I guess comes from the worst social background the the 2165 01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,760 the Pixie cut lady. But yeah, it's I try to just 2166 01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,080 juxtapose her to the, I mean, probably orphanage parents 2167 01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:59,400 weren't wealthy. So the plant mom is not like 2168 01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,960 that. The orphan dad is not like that. 2169 01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,280 The pyramid dad is not like her. Like, nobody is quite like her 2170 01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,720 except for Hannah's, like the closest, but she's like another 2171 01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:12,320 level. Oh. 2172 01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:16,240 My God, it's like these she's there's so many moments that we 2173 01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:17,960 could talk about with Pixie cut, but. 2174 01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:20,920 Well, we need to go back to the coordinator because we fully 2175 01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:22,880 glossed over her, OK? And we need to talk about the 2176 01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:25,080 Goatee dad because we also glossed like that. 2177 01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:27,720 We haven't talked about like the rest of the families too, 2178 01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:30,640 because they're so, they're so important. 2179 01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:32,800 So what do you want to what do you want to say about the Goatee 2180 01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:36,440 Dad? I want to say that I mean it 2181 01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:39,320 gets very mock Jungy, but I did like his acting despite it 2182 01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:42,200 because he it is like crazy to be like, wait, you're telling me 2183 01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:45,880 the person I sent to another hospital for possible surgery so 2184 01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:49,760 I could like win favor with my boss or whatever to state, you 2185 01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,280 know, treat his grandson is my daughter and like. 2186 01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:55,240 That was like the best twist though. 2187 01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:58,280 Like it was the most mock Jungy thing in the whole show. 2188 01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:03,120 Yeah, but I lived it up because he deserved it. 2189 01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:06,040 Not to say, oh God, this is terrible what he said, but like, 2190 01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:07,560 I'm just they're. Not real people, they're not. 2191 01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,840 Real people. This is a drama, but he fucking 2192 01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:14,920 deserved what he got. He Hannah Hannah did not deserve 2193 01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:16,960 it. Did not deserve to die. 2194 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:22,880 No. But the Father deserved that 2195 01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:29,360 reckoning and that sort of cosmic punishment that he got. 2196 01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:32,040 It's weird because the whole time he's kind of more affable 2197 01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:34,640 compared to his wife. So you kind of don't like harbor 2198 01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:36,720 ill will towards? That's what I mean. 2199 01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:39,480 But then it this takes you out so hard and then you're like. 2200 01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:44,440 He progressively gets more frustrating, especially because 2201 01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:48,520 you realize even though he looks down, he looks down on his wife 2202 01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:52,560 for her background, her upbringing, and he supports her 2203 01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:56,080 lying to the children and the whole neighbourhood about her 2204 01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:59,520 name and her identity and everything about her. 2205 01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:03,000 He supports that because he's embarrassed about her. 2206 01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:10,760 Plus he is super interested in upward mobility at work, so he's 2207 01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:15,880 doing everything he can to get in the good graces of that 2208 01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,160 chief. That old turtle, 1000 year old 2209 01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:20,360 turtle as they called him. Like that was his nickname 2210 01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:24,720 because they hated him and that whole thing. 2211 01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:28,720 He was such a hypocrite. Yeah, because he did act like 2212 01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:30,120 kind of holier than that in many ways. 2213 01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,720 Like he's like, well, I'm not as bad as that everyone else here 2214 01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:36,480 almost like the plant lady. But yet he had like terrible 2215 01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,560 like the workplace politics of this. 2216 01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,640 That piece of this drama was also interesting, if you're into 2217 01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,920 that, because he is doing the most to like, manipulate 2218 01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:48,440 something there and like, make make the other surgeon the 2219 01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,520 husband of the beautiful hair lady, his lackey in a way, 2220 01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,640 almost just like it's assumed that he's going to be the one up 2221 01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,480 for promotion because he's like, yeah, I was number one, top of 2222 01:58:57,480 --> 01:58:59,840 my class. So whatever he was like 20 or 30 2223 01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:01,400 years ago. And they were building, the 2224 01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:05,200 writer was building this case against him where Doctor Huang 2225 01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:11,000 had already investigated him low key for his patient outcomes, 2226 01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:14,440 because seemingly all his patients have terrible outcomes. 2227 01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:20,120 They are in chronic pain, they don't end up well, and they have 2228 01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,800 more issues after he does surgery on them. 2229 01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:25,720 So. But his economic metrics are on 2230 01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,400 point because he turns those patients out of their beds so 2231 01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:30,840 fast. Yeah, he turns. 2232 01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,840 Fast and he's making a lot of money for the hospital. 2233 01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:38,640 So whatever he's doing is making patients spend more money at the 2234 01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:41,560 hospital. So he's giving surgery, he's 2235 01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:45,320 making them get surgeries when maybe they don't need surgeries 2236 01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,080 and maybe they can use alternative methods, maybe 2237 01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:52,280 injections or physical therapy and different other methods that 2238 01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:57,000 can fix their issues without resorting to surgery, which is 2239 01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:01,960 the most expensive option. All of these like unethical 2240 02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:05,600 practices within the hospital, which is run like a business. 2241 02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,760 And unfortunately, like, it's like that in the United States 2242 02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:11,280 as well, is they're really building this case that he's not 2243 02:00:11,280 --> 02:00:13,480 a very good doctor. Or he is, but he's not providing 2244 02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:15,040 appropriate care. Like maybe he knows what to do, 2245 02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:16,880 but he doesn't care about that. He cares more about like 2246 02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:17,760 himself. Looking good. 2247 02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:21,440 Exactly so. Then we get to this part of the 2248 02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:27,360 show where mysteriously Hannah falls from like the fifth floor 2249 02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:30,720 of the clubhouse during Ozo. With the Esso in the bedroom 2250 02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:32,400 next door. Yeah, yeah. 2251 02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:37,520 We don't know which kid did it or if a child of the Sky Castle 2252 02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:41,080 crew did it and she is severely injured. 2253 02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:43,360 She needs a. Surgery. 2254 02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:47,160 Emergency surgery. She's eternally bleeding I 2255 02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:48,520 think. She's a bright She's got like a 2256 02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:50,480 brain bleed or something. So she needs a surgery from the 2257 02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:55,400 neurosurgeon, Dr. Huang, the plant lady's husband, right? 2258 02:00:55,680 --> 02:01:00,280 Because at this point, Goatee dad has finagled his way into 2259 02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:04,760 getting a promotion and he's like the chief of the spine and 2260 02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:08,480 Joint Center or something. He's also head of like. 2261 02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,160 Yeah, Yeah. He's chief of like something 2262 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:13,040 finances. Yeah. 2263 02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:16,560 Instead of the chief of the joint and spine center, which is 2264 02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:19,920 what the Doctor Huang is the plant lady's husband. 2265 02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,480 Yeah. Anyway, he got a higher 2266 02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:24,200 position. He like wheeled and dealed and 2267 02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:27,480 he's got a higher position and he changes the order of the 2268 02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:30,480 surgeries. Because the because Turtle's 2269 02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:33,440 grandson was in a some kind of accident as well the same. 2270 02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,000 State. The. 2271 02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:39,920 Hospital director's grandson, 9 year old grandson also came in 2272 02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:43,200 with a very almost an identical injury. 2273 02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:46,760 Also needs brain surgery. But after henna. 2274 02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:49,200 That's but he came in after henna. 2275 02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:53,760 So they prioritized him just cause of who he is and henna got 2276 02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:56,440 transported to another hospital which there's no time for that 2277 02:01:56,680 --> 02:01:58,000 and he knows. That, and he knows that. 2278 02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:01,880 He knows he just doomed henna, he was very unlikely that she 2279 02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:04,680 was going to make it to another hospital to receive this life 2280 02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:10,080 saving surgery and he basically kills his own daughter. 2281 02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,640 But doesn't know at the time that she is his daughter. 2282 02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:18,400 So good. That's why I said it's so good, 2283 02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:22,080 because like, you're there and the audience knows and this 2284 02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:28,920 fucking bitch Pixie cut knows that's his daughter and doesn't 2285 02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:32,720 say shit. To him that entire time and then 2286 02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:37,000 Channy crying his a little heart out for her so heartbreaking, so 2287 02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:39,160 hard to drink and then getting arrested for it. 2288 02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:40,800 OK, we can't go back to we can't go back to Channy right now 2289 02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:42,000 anyways. We already talked about that. 2290 02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:43,520 Yeah. But yeah, so he gets trained 2291 02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,600 for. Him that's murder later but yeah 2292 02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:52,200 the dad fucking himself over because of his unethical. 2293 02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:55,280 And mind you, as a viewer, we're already grappling with the fact 2294 02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:58,680 that Yesso and Henna are sisters, almost like twins or 2295 02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:00,720 Irish twins, whoever know of it. I don't know if that's offensive 2296 02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:02,640 or not, but I know that that's like a phrase some people use 2297 02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:04,320 sometimes. But because they're so close in 2298 02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:05,680 age, I mean, they're from different mothers, so it's a 2299 02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:07,520 different situation. But they are. 2300 02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:09,520 They're half sisters enemies. And half. 2301 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:12,960 Sisters and they hate each other they hate each other she's. 2302 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:15,480 Tight with Yebbing and she's Yebbing sister too. 2303 02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:17,640 Half sister too. So that's like another crazy 2304 02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:20,720 component. She is the one person that. 2305 02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:21,400 Right. So here's the. 2306 02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:24,000 Here's the order. If if people that are listening 2307 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,000 and they don't intend on watching Crack Castle. 2308 02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:29,000 So it's Pixie Cut is married to the goatee. 2309 02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:30,600 I'm sorry, I just have to make this clear. 2310 02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:35,680 So Pixie Cut is married to the goatee Dr. Yeah, they have two 2311 02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:38,680 daughters. One is Yeso, who's at the center 2312 02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,640 of this whole freaking thing. She's the one in high school and 2313 02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:45,480 in high school, and she has a younger sister or a younger 2314 02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:47,960 daughter in middle school, in middle school named Yebin. 2315 02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:52,400 So Yeso and Yebin and Henna who goes to school with you? 2316 02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,040 So. And they fucking hate each 2317 02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:57,720 other. They're both neck and neck for 2318 02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:03,000 #1 Hannah is a bit like Channy. Who would you would you? 2319 02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:04,600 I was like what? Where is he? 2320 02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:08,520 Would you? He's also like they're they 2321 02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:09,640 don't go to like Hogwan or whatever. 2322 02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:11,640 And they're both really good. And she like tutors people for 2323 02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:14,560 cash because she's a very sick mom who's single mom. 2324 02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,640 She's know who her dad is and she eventually finds out. 2325 02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:19,160 It's go T, Dad. It's go T, Dad. 2326 02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,560 And goatee dad basically condemns her to. 2327 02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:26,120 Death without realizing that that's his daughter without 2328 02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:27,720 realizing he didn't even know he had another daughter. 2329 02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:29,680 Yeah. Yeah, but guess who's? 2330 02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:30,600 New so much. Picks a cut. 2331 02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:34,440 Picks a cut new. The fact that she hides that 2332 02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:36,160 from him for. Over a. 2333 02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:40,680 Year and she does seem like she's gonna tell him or tries to 2334 02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:42,520 tell him or wants to tell him or something, but then does it and 2335 02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,600 then can just sit the way she just sits with that with at the 2336 02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:48,040 dinner table and like Henna's like playing her and like 2337 02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:50,120 wrapping around her finger and saying things like I want to sit 2338 02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:52,200 at the dinner table with Ebbing and I want to lie lay in the bed 2339 02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:53,480 with Ebbing and I want blah, blah, blah. 2340 02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:56,360 And she's giving herself she wants so she doesn't tell her 2341 02:04:56,360 --> 02:04:57,880 husband like, you know, I'm your daughter. 2342 02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,680 But then at the same time as calmly sitting with her at the 2343 02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:02,680 breakfast table or dinner table or whatever, I just was like. 2344 02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:04,520 I'm like, she's just like, that's why I said she's like. 2345 02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:06,560 She's just like I thought she was. 2346 02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:11,400 The Pixie cut is a psycho. Exactly, exactly. 2347 02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:14,560 You have to just be. You have to be out of your mind. 2348 02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:17,240 So then he's OK. So the goatee dad is grieving 2349 02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:19,520 like crazy because he's like, he's just like an utter. 2350 02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,400 Well, when Yeben tells him finally so his younger daughter 2351 02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,680 Yeben being the one to tell. Oh my. 2352 02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:29,120 God. Oh, what a moment. 2353 02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:32,280 Because she's like he, Oh my God, it's just, are you even 2354 02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:34,320 human? Are you even a person? 2355 02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:39,280 Because Oh my God, it's so mocked on because the Pixie cut, 2356 02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:42,920 Pixie cut says, oh, today is Henna's funeral. 2357 02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:48,840 He goes, oh, I'm going golfing with, you know, so and so. 2358 02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:52,640 And she's like I've told you for multiple days now, two days to 2359 02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:56,040 funeral you, you have to come. You need to come. 2360 02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:59,120 You're going to regret it if you don't come. 2361 02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:01,120 And she still doesn't just say Still. 2362 02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:04,520 Fucking doesn't tell him that's your daughter. 2363 02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:08,120 Come to the funeral of your daughter. 2364 02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:10,200 She's like, you'll regret it, OK, Why? 2365 02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:11,160 Why will he regret it? Why? 2366 02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:13,640 She doesn't say it. She doesn't say she's a coward. 2367 02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:16,120 She's instead gathering his golf clubs and all that crap. 2368 02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:17,760 Like I was getting so mad. Oh my God. 2369 02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:23,320 So then he goes golfing, he comes back drunk as a skunk, and 2370 02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:26,840 that's when Yevin, his youngest daughter. 2371 02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,040 We had to be find out. I forgot, I forgot. 2372 02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:35,000 How does she find out? Oh, because the whole community 2373 02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:42,160 starts to find out. Hair overheard Hannah and Nesso 2374 02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:47,160 arguing the day of the accident, the morning of the accident, and 2375 02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,720 that's when she realizes, oh, they're siblings. 2376 02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:54,640 They're half siblings. That's cock Goss, she tells Bob 2377 02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:56,360 Cut. This is crazy. 2378 02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:59,280 And then they. Pyramid dad's wife. 2379 02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:04,520 Yeah, Pyramid dad's wife and they talk with Pixie Cut at the 2380 02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:07,440 funeral girl. They're sitting down like in the 2381 02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:12,320 funeral hall talking with Bixie Cut and they let it slip cause 2382 02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:15,680 side swept hair is a big blobbermouth. 2383 02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:19,360 She's talking loud all the time. That's right, and Yeben over 2384 02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:21,240 and. Yeben walks by and overhears and 2385 02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:23,640 she's like Oh my God, even more devastated. 2386 02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:28,480 She was the only person who showed the proper amount of 2387 02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,520 sadness and grief toward. Him she loved. 2388 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,520 Tenna she loved. Her, yeah. 2389 02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:35,400 Except Channy. Poor Channy. 2390 02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:38,160 Yeah, except Channy who like loved her too, but it like 2391 02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,840 differently romantically. Romantically loved her, yeah, 2392 02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:42,160 yeah. But Uju was also her friend. 2393 02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:43,320 So true. True, true. 2394 02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,560 So anyway, so yeben that night her dad didn't show for the 2395 02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,640 funeral, comes back drunk as a skunk after golf. 2396 02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:54,160 She gives them hell. She's like, aren't you in bed? 2397 02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:58,880 She says something like, aren't you embarrassed to be like this 2398 02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:02,160 when your daughter, you didn't attend your daughter's funeral, 2399 02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:06,800 like Hannah's your daughter, I think she says you can't even 2400 02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,120 call yourself a human, right? Something like that. 2401 02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:13,160 And I love that line that she said you're inhuman. 2402 02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:15,520 Well, he. Didn't know but like so it's a 2403 02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:17,720 bit unfair but also. Also. 2404 02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:20,040 I also I do. Already skipped it. 2405 02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:20,680 You can't. You can't. 2406 02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:23,920 Yeah, you can move golf, right. I think he. 2407 02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:26,600 Skips it because he does feel guilty that he knows he sent 2408 02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:29,440 some girl to her untimely death. Yes, and it's a girl he knows 2409 02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:30,720 because whether or not he knows it's their daughter. 2410 02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:31,320 He knows Hannah. He knows. 2411 02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:33,920 Living in your house. Yeah, his house, so he knows. 2412 02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:37,240 Henna, classmate of his daughters, tutor of his other 2413 02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:39,920 daughter. It's not like she's just nobody 2414 02:08:40,240 --> 02:08:41,360 rando. He knew her. 2415 02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:46,080 And lived in her house ate her his food he offered her a raise 2416 02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:48,240 or whatever extra pocket money whatever when you having did 2417 02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:51,040 well so they had this established relationship. 2418 02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:54,680 It hits him so hard like a ton of bricks when ya been says that 2419 02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:57,200 and he can't cope. He just can't cope. 2420 02:08:57,400 --> 02:08:59,840 He's like having a nervous breakdown from his mom at the 2421 02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:02,040 like, fancy wherever she's hanging out with her. 2422 02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:05,080 Friends, I love that and he just embarrasses the shit out of her 2423 02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:08,160 and I'm like do it, say it louder, wailed loudly. 2424 02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,560 And she doesn't care. She does not care because she's 2425 02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:15,400 very single minded and she still wants him to be the head of 2426 02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:18,040 blah, blah, whatever CFO or whatever he is at this hospital 2427 02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:21,040 and wants. Yeah, So to be third generation 2428 02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,640 doctor, he is like, I'm quitting. 2429 02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:25,160 I don't even want to work. I don't want to be a surgeon. 2430 02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,600 I don't wanna do this anymore. This, this pursuit of yours. 2431 02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:29,800 He's like, it wasn't even my pursuit. 2432 02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:31,920 I don't know, 'cause it was your pursuit for me. 2433 02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:34,760 It almost kills me. It does kill my daughter. 2434 02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:36,920 You don't even care, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 2435 02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,560 And it's just like this whole breakdown of communications, 2436 02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:43,360 which I feel like it again, like some Asian cultures and not say 2437 02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,520 other cultures don't, but I can only speak for my culture. 2438 02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,760 There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that where it's 2439 02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,400 like people are so single minded about whatever thing, whatever 2440 02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:53,880 they deem to be success or whatever the goal is that 2441 02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:55,520 everything else does fall to the wayside. 2442 02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,760 She doesn't care what he wants. That's not the point. 2443 02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:01,000 She doesn't care that someone died, you know, necessarily if 2444 02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:03,280 it means like, you know, he's not gonna be CFO of this 2445 02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:04,480 hospital, right? Or whatever it is. 2446 02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:08,360 She, that is her thing forever. She's 70, whatever years old, 2447 02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:09,200 however old she is, I don't know. 2448 02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:12,200 Still, she's like this in her eyes, that's her son and her son 2449 02:10:12,200 --> 02:10:14,680 has to be the best. Doesn't matter that he's 45 2450 02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:17,520 years old or whatever. Whatever he is, Yeah, Yeah. 2451 02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:21,440 It's kind of crazy, but. It's super crazy because she's 2452 02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:24,920 like, yeah, why don't we talk somewhere else? 2453 02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:28,400 How how can you do this in front of all of the customers? 2454 02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,680 And he's like, my daughter, you're not hearing me. 2455 02:10:31,680 --> 02:10:36,360 My I killed my daughter. Which is her granddaughter. 2456 02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,360 Her granddaughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2457 02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:41,040 Yeah, just as much as yeah so and yeah, Bean, but she does not 2458 02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,120 really care. Yeah, like she's so single. 2459 02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:44,720 She's like, this is so embarrassing. 2460 02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:47,400 Like I had my own. She's like, what about my soup? 2461 02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:53,520 I put in an order soup so oh. My God, like, slap some sense 2462 02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:57,360 into these people. And he finally does have this 2463 02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:01,680 cathartic moment where he tells his mother, you know, I never 2464 02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:03,280 even wanted to go to medical school. 2465 02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,000 That was something that you wanted to do. 2466 02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:08,000 So I'm giving up your dream, not my dad. 2467 02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:10,640 I love those moments. That she wanted for him. 2468 02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:13,040 There's so much living vicariously in a way through 2469 02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:15,640 your kids. And like, again, this whole 2470 02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:19,480 concept of like their success is yours to own and keep in a way. 2471 02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:20,440 Yeah. And it was. 2472 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:23,760 And it's a credit to you. It's so weird in a way because 2473 02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:26,720 I, I don't think we have this, I guess throughout the US, if it 2474 02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:28,920 may be in, I don't know, Korean American communities, I don't 2475 02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:30,600 know. But it doesn't exist in the US 2476 02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:33,080 in the same same way where it's like it's, you know, Aunt Becky 2477 02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:34,320 did what she had to do for her daughter. 2478 02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:37,480 She thought, but it wasn't like, yeah, my daughter's at USC cuz, 2479 02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:39,880 you know, and that's my all credit is due to me. 2480 02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:42,560 I don't know. It's just it's different. 2481 02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:46,360 I feel like here. Yeah, you don't necessarily get 2482 02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:48,880 clout. I mean, I guess you do. 2483 02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:50,200 I don't know. It's not just but I. 2484 02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:53,280 Don't think someone else is not going to throw you a party 2485 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:56,680 because your kid got into Harvard Medical School, No. 2486 02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:01,680 You're just like, oh wow, that's great, Congrats, that's the end 2487 02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:02,360 of it. Like. 2488 02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:05,720 I don't know, you might be like, slip me the number of the tutor 2489 02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:07,440 or whatever. The SAT cab person. 2490 02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:09,840 Yeah, but you're not gonna be like, let me throw a little mini 2491 02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:14,080 ballroom, whatever. Viennese, the Flopster and the 2492 02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:16,520 whole and string quartet. Yeah, in your honor. 2493 02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:22,760 No, but the mother and him saying you raised me wrong, my 2494 02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:26,400 life is an empty shell, is what he told the family. 2495 02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:29,040 He also was upset that he couldn't recognize that Henna 2496 02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:31,560 was his daughter, which I I found that interesting. 2497 02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:34,440 I mean, I don't have kids but I wonder like if that's the thing 2498 02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:36,600 I feel like it would could be. That he didn't feel any 2499 02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:39,920 connection. Yeah, he was so blinded by his 2500 02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:42,640 own ambition and everything, whatever was going on in his 2501 02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:44,440 life. Yeah, that he's just like, OK, 2502 02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:46,200 the help. We have our servant, we have our 2503 02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:50,160 in house tutor. Yeah, like he and she even 2504 02:12:50,160 --> 02:12:52,400 looked at him and was like up like when she's dying. 2505 02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:55,560 Oh my God. And he's he like, saw it but 2506 02:12:55,560 --> 02:12:58,280 didn't see it, didn't register. I don't know where he was. 2507 02:12:58,280 --> 02:13:00,160 Like, she's delirious because she's dying. 2508 02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:01,360 I don't know what he thought, but yeah. 2509 02:13:02,720 --> 02:13:06,240 Or I like the fact that they were calling each other out on 2510 02:13:06,240 --> 02:13:11,000 this in the final episodes about they did not care what happened 2511 02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:14,720 to other people's children. They did not. 2512 02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:17,160 They did not. They other people's children 2513 02:13:17,160 --> 02:13:23,160 could commit suicide, could die. I mean, dire things could happen 2514 02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:24,960 to other people's children, but it didn't matter. 2515 02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,920 It's somebody else's problem, somebody else's story. 2516 02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:32,440 It would never happen to me because I'm different. 2517 02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:38,560 There's like an arrogance about these people and there was an 2518 02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:44,600 arrogance about him when he made that call to not save Hannah. 2519 02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,040 I do think I mean you like you said yourself, he held this 2520 02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:50,920 maybe resentment, definite judginess towards his wife for 2521 02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:53,840 being from a low class family and lower socioeconomic class 2522 02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:59,040 any and it probably extended to the help whoever he consider the 2523 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:00,520 help. So he didn't really bat an eye 2524 02:14:00,520 --> 02:14:03,240 and Hannah or think much of her outside of like, Oh, my 2525 02:14:03,240 --> 02:14:05,760 daughter's happy. So here he calls into question 2526 02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:10,360 his whole mentality about who? Whose lives have value. 2527 02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:14,120 Because I killed my daughter and I thought she had no value. 2528 02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:17,000 I thought she was a nobody. It's crazy. 2529 02:14:17,320 --> 02:14:19,240 It's crazy. That was, even though it was Mac 2530 02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:22,640 Jung, it was in like a bit ostentatious. 2531 02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:24,840 Yeah, still in a way believable or something. 2532 02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:28,040 It resonated, I'll say that. I agree, but we had to talk 2533 02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:30,800 about the coordinator. OK, The coordinator is the last 2534 02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:31,920 person that we have to talk about. 2535 02:14:32,360 --> 02:14:37,320 We could talk at length specifics about what happens to 2536 02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:41,520 each character and specifically Pixie cut because she has a lot 2537 02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:46,120 of shit that she does and says, but we can't go into that 2538 02:14:46,120 --> 02:14:49,400 because the coordinator, Oh my God, what you got to say about 2539 02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:53,000 the coordinator? Another one with a secret 2540 02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:55,280 identity. There's some parallels to some 2541 02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,760 of this stuff with the with the Pixie cut. 2542 02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:00,120 Yeah, So's mom. Lying about your past and who 2543 02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:02,320 you are. Lying about your past having 2544 02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:05,240 different names cuz she was Jenny or Kim or something. 2545 02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:10,040 Jennifer. Yeah, Jennifer Kim and from 2546 02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:12,960 like, but that's Virginia somewhere in the she was in. 2547 02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:16,640 Fairfax, VA Yeah, yeah. Fairfax, VA. 2548 02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:20,640 Apparently, there's a thriving area in American community in 2549 02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:23,920 Fairfax, VA. Could be, could well be, yeah. 2550 02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:27,960 And then her daughter, she basically was a bit like, yes, 2551 02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:31,000 So's mom, but her daughter was a already a genius. 2552 02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:34,280 Like a prodigy, yeah. Georgetown or GW or one of those 2553 02:15:34,280 --> 02:15:35,880 places at. GW. 2554 02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:38,840 Yeah, OK. And then she is having some kind 2555 02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:43,960 of fight with her husband and then she might or might not have 2556 02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:46,000 cut the brakes on her husband's car, but her daughter was in the 2557 02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,040 car and they get into an accident. 2558 02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:47,600 The. Husband died? 2559 02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:49,480 No, she did cut the brakes on her head. 2560 02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:54,720 OK so she gets accused of this Is this was a whole thing 2561 02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:57,480 throughout the show? Like did she or did she not kill 2562 02:15:57,480 --> 02:15:59,680 her husband by cutting the brakes on his car? 2563 02:16:00,440 --> 02:16:05,120 Was there ever a doubt? Like absolutely she did this. 2564 02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:08,200 Right, She, I mean, she was just as cutthroat as other as like, 2565 02:16:08,200 --> 02:16:11,240 you know, yes, as mom of like we, I have to make the most out 2566 02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:15,160 of my genius prodigy child. And he's like, can she live? 2567 02:16:15,160 --> 02:16:17,720 And he's, she's like, no, not, not through anything but 2568 02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:19,000 academics. And then she's like, but you 2569 02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:21,080 can't live either. Literally tries to kill him. 2570 02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:23,000 But the daughter's in the car when this happens. 2571 02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:27,320 And so she becomes disabled and the prodigy stuff is gone. 2572 02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:30,760 She's not gonna like develop the the average pace of other 2573 02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:33,240 people, intellectually or otherwise. 2574 02:16:33,240 --> 02:16:37,840 So she just like hides her in some creepy house, like a safe 2575 02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:40,200 house. Literally in the mountains. 2576 02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:42,920 Yeah, watches her in the woods like again. 2577 02:16:42,920 --> 02:16:46,520 A creeper, She's a. She can't, she can't face her I 2578 02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:49,320 guess, or doesn't want to be in her presence or something so she 2579 02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:53,320 barely ever sees her. Gives her lots of toy gifts and 2580 02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:56,280 the kid is just doing like math equations or whatever in her. 2581 02:16:56,280 --> 02:17:00,600 This has that prodigy. It's so creepy why she dressed 2582 02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:02,200 as her in a dress was like beyond. 2583 02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:03,200 I was like, oh. My. 2584 02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:07,000 God, why the why the child's frilly dress like? 2585 02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:08,600 Why not just dress like a little? 2586 02:17:09,480 --> 02:17:11,959 Communion dress, you know what I'm saying? 2587 02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:14,719 Like a. It had a rough, like a little 2588 02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:16,200 rough rough. And. 2589 02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:19,879 Taffeta. Yeah, it's just bizarre, like. 2590 02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:25,719 It just made it so creepy. Yeah, anyway, so this lady is a 2591 02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:32,799 whole mess, a whole last mess and she was mentally ill like as 2592 02:17:32,799 --> 02:17:36,480 well. So definitely, definitely she 2593 02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:41,920 was she was out to get these elite families as as basically 2594 02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:48,559 as revenge like for what she did herself to her own daughter, 2595 02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:50,879 like she shot. Herself, some foot flagellation 2596 02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:53,760 she did through other people. It's not even self flagellation 2597 02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:57,280 because it's not really hurting her to do this to the other 2598 02:17:57,280 --> 02:18:00,280 families. It's it's like if I shot myself 2599 02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:03,559 in the foot, now everybody else has to get shot in the foot. 2600 02:18:04,680 --> 02:18:08,160 And that's what she was doing. She was and the tactics that she 2601 02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:13,799 was using to like get into the kids heads and yeah, shake their 2602 02:18:13,799 --> 02:18:16,639 confidence and make them dependent on her. 2603 02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:19,440 She was literally grooming them. Grooming. 2604 02:18:19,959 --> 02:18:22,799 It was crazy. Yeah, I love when people bring 2605 02:18:22,799 --> 02:18:26,959 up grooming in K dramas because I'm like, this is a very 2606 02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:30,680 textbook. This one is, and I feel like 2607 02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:32,760 sometimes people use that word so lightly. 2608 02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:34,520 They do. They're like, oh, it's flippant, 2609 02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:38,200 like, oh, it's the man's older than the woman by 10 years. 2610 02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:40,719 Oh, he's grooming her. No, slow down. 2611 02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:45,360 Like that's not the case. But 100% of the time this, this 2612 02:18:45,719 --> 02:18:51,040 is 100% grooming. And it's scary grooming because 2613 02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,280 she's got them locked in like a window. 2614 02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:56,920 Even when she shows the like flashback of like touching young 2615 02:18:56,920 --> 02:19:00,400 Jays, I don't know somebody. It was very sexual, like did you 2616 02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:02,760 get those sexual overtones? I was upset. 2617 02:19:02,840 --> 02:19:04,040 I didn't want to. It's upsetting. 2618 02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:08,840 It's rejecting. I rebuke it it. 2619 02:19:08,840 --> 02:19:12,000 Was highly upsetting to see her like do the one-on-one 2620 02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:16,200 meditations with the kids which was basically her conditioning 2621 02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:20,520 them to to be reliant on her for everything. 2622 02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:24,520 So manipulative, so conniving. And they already like, it's such 2623 02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:27,360 a long con and like they have all this trust in her and faith 2624 02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:30,200 in her and she's their one hope. They're saving grace. 2625 02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:33,440 Of course, they have this, like, over dependence on her and 2626 02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:37,400 overly trustworthy of her. Yeah, it was so upsetting. 2627 02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:40,000 And she messed young Jay up so bad. 2628 02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:42,400 Oh my gosh. Was on the way to messing up 2629 02:19:42,440 --> 02:19:45,200 ESO. For sure, but I mean at first 2630 02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:51,160 you don't realize the extent of her manipulation tactics with 2631 02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:53,440 young Jet. Like even when she says that 2632 02:19:53,440 --> 02:19:59,240 little story to him, the bedtime story of that couple in the in 2633 02:19:59,240 --> 02:20:06,480 the olden times who had this in and they would kill their 2634 02:20:06,480 --> 02:20:10,080 patrons and bury them. Under the floorboards or 2635 02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:13,640 whatever of their their establishment basically on the 2636 02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:18,240 property and then suddenly they have a couple of kids and they 2637 02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:21,600 do everything possible to make sure that they are successful 2638 02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:25,960 and can pass the state exam. This is like in a saga, like 2639 02:20:26,280 --> 02:20:27,560 something you would see in a saga. 2640 02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:31,120 It's a historical like little Yeah ditty that she's telling 2641 02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:34,000 Yong Jay. And they do. 2642 02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:36,800 They pass the state exam and they have high-ranking 2643 02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:38,480 positions. And when they return to their 2644 02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:43,160 little town, they instantly fall dead. 2645 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:45,960 Just keel over. And die. 2646 02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:48,040 I was trying to make sense of this. 2647 02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:50,040 Oh allegory. Oh really? 2648 02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:54,760 Well I just was like, not sure how she was what she's trying to 2649 02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:56,360 tell him about. Well, I just think it was like a 2650 02:20:56,360 --> 02:20:59,880 karmic thing, like she was like, you reap what you sow. 2651 02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:03,400 What they reaped was death and destruction. 2652 02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:06,640 And they did. They were killing the patrons 2653 02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:11,000 that came to their inn in order to steal their money. 2654 02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:16,120 And then they expected their children to be successful and 2655 02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:18,520 and wonderful and great and studied well. 2656 02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:21,040 And you know they can't. You can't have. 2657 02:21:22,280 --> 02:21:23,600 You can't. And that's how we planted this 2658 02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:25,720 seed of like. Your mom is not your like friend 2659 02:21:25,720 --> 02:21:29,280 in this situation, right? Has she well or no? 2660 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:33,760 I think the the seed was when your parents are they're 2661 02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:38,920 happiest, that's when you exact your revenge like they're in 2662 02:21:38,920 --> 02:21:42,120 that little story. The karmic revenge was your 2663 02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:45,560 children died as a result of what the shit that you 2664 02:21:45,560 --> 02:21:47,080 committed. Yeah. 2665 02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:50,280 And what she's saying was you can do that. 2666 02:21:50,280 --> 02:21:56,480 You can create that same effect manually in your life by taking 2667 02:21:56,480 --> 02:21:59,400 away this happiness from your parents. 2668 02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:03,160 As soon as you give it to them, you take it away, commit this 2669 02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:05,600 revenge against them. And she was very vague about 2670 02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:07,520 like what this revenge would be. She. 2671 02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:09,040 Kind of left. Well, he disowns. 2672 02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,280 He ended. The letter he disowns. 2673 02:22:11,320 --> 02:22:14,960 Yeah, yeah. Which is probably like the Yeah, 2674 02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:16,160 I don't. Know and that's why the mom 2675 02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:17,880 commits suicide at the beginning because she was. 2676 02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:20,120 He's like she thought she lost her son. 2677 02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:23,960 Yeah, completely. Completely like he cut her off. 2678 02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:30,480 Like forget the Med school, I think she was more devastated 2679 02:22:30,600 --> 02:22:33,360 that she's lost her son. I know I was wondering about 2680 02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:35,800 that because it's hard to tell with her cuz she is saw her so 2681 02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:39,000 little cuz it's like what if that happened to ESO's mom? 2682 02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:41,520 Part of you is like, I mean, she did love her ESO. 2683 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:43,960 You can't deny it, I guess, but it's so it's. 2684 02:22:43,960 --> 02:22:45,520 Not like she didn't love her, but it was a very. 2685 02:22:45,640 --> 02:22:47,680 It's toxic. It's a toxic love. 2686 02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:51,680 And it almost seems like it could have been, but we don't. 2687 02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:54,440 Again, it's a bit blurry, like transactional. 2688 02:22:54,440 --> 02:22:58,520 If you go exactly, exactly, then I will continue to love you. 2689 02:22:59,000 --> 02:22:59,800 Very conditional. Yeah. 2690 02:22:59,960 --> 02:23:04,440 So yeah, she was feeding these kids some shit, like every time. 2691 02:23:04,840 --> 02:23:07,800 And then like you come to find out she wasn't even tutoring 2692 02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:11,520 them. Honestly, she was stealing. 2693 02:23:12,120 --> 02:23:15,920 OK, this is the thing. I thought everybody knew this 2694 02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:18,840 was happening the whole time, like from the bank meeting. 2695 02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:20,400 I was like, what do you think is happening here? 2696 02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:22,880 You think these people, the, the percentages they were giving 2697 02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:26,000 like 9900%, everyone gets into Seoul National University Med 2698 02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:27,680 school. That's what the hell else could 2699 02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:29,440 be possibly happening. They're cheating. 2700 02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:32,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they have access to the 2701 02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:34,240 CSAT. CI don't know what to say. 2702 02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:37,280 Pronounce it CSAT beforehand right? 2703 02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:39,640 You know. They have access to something, 2704 02:23:39,640 --> 02:23:41,360 whether it was their, I think they were stealing their 2705 02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:45,520 school's questions, finals, like finals and midterms questions. 2706 02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:49,240 Either way, either way, to me, you should have realized or to 2707 02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:51,000 me, I was like thought that's, I thought that's what was going on 2708 02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:53,680 the whole time that you're buying a coordinator in quotes 2709 02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:56,920 to cheat, very similar to Aunt Becky. 2710 02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:00,040 It's not like she didn't know that her kid didn't play water 2711 02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:01,400 polo or whatever, you know what I mean? 2712 02:24:01,400 --> 02:24:03,120 Like. They know we're gonna have to 2713 02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:08,320 put this story of Aunt Becky like Lori Loughlin's in there, 2714 02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:10,920 because I can't remember exactly what she did. 2715 02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:12,720 I don't, I don't even know if that was her kid, but there was 2716 02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:14,480 like a gang of parents. It was not. 2717 02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:16,920 It was not just her either. Yeah, it was like. 2718 02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:19,280 A bunch, it was a bunch of parents and one of the things 2719 02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:22,760 that this guy or people or whoever offered was things like 2720 02:24:22,760 --> 02:24:27,000 staging photos with like a canoe or whatever, whatever they call 2721 02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:30,120 those things and saying you're on crew and you you row crew and 2722 02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:33,080 and with water polo and saying you play water polo. 2723 02:24:33,080 --> 02:24:35,400 You may have never seen fake extra thing. 2724 02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:38,520 Yeah, yes. And get taking photographs as 2725 02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:39,840 though it's proof that you do this. 2726 02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:41,520 I don't know what college application requires you to 2727 02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,200 submit photos that you did these things, but that's what these 2728 02:24:44,200 --> 02:24:47,720 people were doing. I mean, massive fraud, like it's 2729 02:24:47,720 --> 02:24:51,080 just, but this was fraud as well. 2730 02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:56,360 And yes, it was so naive of the parents to think that they were 2731 02:24:56,360 --> 02:25:01,200 just like. Why would it cost this much if 2732 02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,800 it wasn't high stakes? Cheating Like that was my thing. 2733 02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:05,280 I was like, well, what the hell is It was happening. 2734 02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:08,760 Millions of well, they were saying billions of one, but in 2735 02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:11,640 U.S. dollars it would be millions of dollars. 2736 02:25:13,440 --> 02:25:15,720 Of course they're cheating. How can they care? 2737 02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:17,160 That's what. I thought that's literally what 2738 02:25:17,160 --> 02:25:19,680 I was so confused by the end when they're all shocked and 2739 02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:24,040 dismayed that these are actual test questions, not just to 2740 02:25:24,040 --> 02:25:26,400 really like coincidentally. Lucky. 2741 02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:29,120 And the fact that the kids were also bamboozled. 2742 02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:31,360 Like none of them put two and two together. 2743 02:25:31,880 --> 02:25:33,040 I thought you were supposed to be smart. 2744 02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:34,480 Yeah, I thought you guys were smart. 2745 02:25:34,480 --> 02:25:37,800 Like as soon as you guys finished the 1st test, you guys 2746 02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:41,600 should have been like, Oh my God, all the questions that I'd 2747 02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:45,000 studied were on the test. How SUS. 2748 02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:47,920 They never put two and two together. 2749 02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:50,920 To range. I mean, they didn't sleep, get 2750 02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:52,840 much sleep, so maybe that's why. But no, yeah, they weren't 2751 02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:56,480 fired. But cylinders, yeah, it was very 2752 02:25:56,480 --> 02:25:57,400 weird. That's only one. 2753 02:25:57,480 --> 02:25:59,960 Maybe my biggest hang up of the show was that Parks, I was like, 2754 02:25:59,960 --> 02:26:01,400 what did you think was happening? 2755 02:26:01,400 --> 02:26:02,440 What did you think you were paying for? 2756 02:26:02,440 --> 02:26:04,920 What did you think was going on? How could she guarantee 2757 02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:07,040 anything? Why did you listen to her and 2758 02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:09,600 bend her every word and will? I thought this was all like an 2759 02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:12,640 elaborate ploy to make sure she gives your feeds your kids the 2760 02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:14,800 test questions. That's that was what I was 2761 02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:15,400 thinking. Yeah. 2762 02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:17,680 But I don't know actually. I'm not sure if we have much 2763 02:26:17,680 --> 02:26:21,240 else to say about this show. Like, we went through every 2764 02:26:21,240 --> 02:26:24,280 character. Yeah, I think so. 2765 02:26:24,680 --> 02:26:27,960 I just want to reiterate again that I really again, I think the 2766 02:26:27,960 --> 02:26:30,440 acting was on point for what it was because it could have been 2767 02:26:30,440 --> 02:26:32,760 in some and it could have been mock Jung in the way that's 2768 02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:35,320 annoying like how you don't yeah, her to watch those things. 2769 02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:38,320 But they did a good job of being restraint and practicing 2770 02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:41,560 restraint in certain areas and the kids also. 2771 02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:44,120 I just again, I'm shocked with the girl who played Yeah, Bean 2772 02:26:44,320 --> 02:26:47,240 acted so well and showed so many different emotions. 2773 02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:50,600 Yeah, so too because she's annoying, but she had her 2774 02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:52,000 vulnerable moments. She was friendless. 2775 02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:55,720 She had a crush on Unrequited Live with Wuju. 2776 02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:00,120 So, yeah, so she was rotten. Like she was selfish. 2777 02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:02,920 And I love when the plant lady is like, what are you going to 2778 02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:07,000 do with that spoiled, selfish daughter of yours? 2779 02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:09,000 Like you can't, you can't do anything with her. 2780 02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:13,840 Nobody wants to be around her. Like she has no respect for 2781 02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:17,920 elders and adults. And she's like a terror. 2782 02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:22,120 It was so evident that she was right like and nobody wanted to 2783 02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:24,600 work with her when she tried to get away from the coordinator 2784 02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:28,760 and was trying to set up other teams and get in on other study 2785 02:27:28,760 --> 02:27:30,840 groups. Like none of the other moms and 2786 02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:35,840 students would allow her yes O in because she burned every 2787 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:41,720 bridge in town just being super condescending and mean to the 2788 02:27:41,720 --> 02:27:44,880 other students. Yeah, no one's going to want to 2789 02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:48,400 study with you, bitch like it no life. 2790 02:27:48,920 --> 02:27:56,120 The coordinator as well, like she maniacal madness coming up 2791 02:27:56,120 --> 02:27:59,000 in waves off of her by the end of the show. 2792 02:27:59,160 --> 02:28:01,960 Yeah, the desperation. The desperation, she tried to 2793 02:28:01,960 --> 02:28:04,240 kill her child. Like what I was like, she's a 2794 02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:05,320 coward. Like there's so. 2795 02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:06,440 Many. I thought it was going to be 2796 02:28:06,440 --> 02:28:07,360 murder. Suicide. 2797 02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:08,760 Me too. Me too. 2798 02:28:08,840 --> 02:28:11,040 Like they were going to both eat porridge or something, which I'm 2799 02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:12,720 not sure that they weren't. Maybe they were. 2800 02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:15,400 It was Curry. Oh, Curry. 2801 02:28:15,400 --> 02:28:18,320 Sorry. They were going to eat poisoned 2802 02:28:18,320 --> 02:28:21,440 Curry and die together, mother and daughter. 2803 02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:26,440 But then she finally got in the room with her daughter and felt 2804 02:28:26,840 --> 02:28:29,960 some type of way. Yeah, finally. 2805 02:28:29,960 --> 02:28:32,240 It was so sad to see the the daughter go. 2806 02:28:32,680 --> 02:28:33,960 I'm sorry. I'll study harder. 2807 02:28:33,960 --> 02:28:35,960 It's just like she knew she created. 2808 02:28:35,960 --> 02:28:41,640 This whole situation is her own. Is her own making of her own 2809 02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:45,560 making she. Did this to her own daughter the 2810 02:28:45,560 --> 02:28:47,960 whole like time the plant lady was like, you're you guys are 2811 02:28:47,960 --> 02:28:49,600 all so greedy. Your greed is getting to you. 2812 02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:51,320 And that also applied to the coordinator. 2813 02:28:52,320 --> 02:28:53,840 I think that's it's, it's interesting. 2814 02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:55,880 I don't again, I don't have kids, but like, I think it's 2815 02:28:55,880 --> 02:28:58,400 something to think about for parents about like one's own 2816 02:28:58,400 --> 02:29:01,640 greed and one's own aspirations that they're, they're sort of 2817 02:29:01,640 --> 02:29:05,920 like putting on their kids that may not because not your life to 2818 02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:07,480 live, it's your kids life to live. 2819 02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:10,400 But I think some parents would disagree, at least based on this 2820 02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:11,360 drama. Yeah. 2821 02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:15,000 Also, I think I have one note here that I was like, oh, I 2822 02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:16,840 should say this. The Pixie cut. 2823 02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:21,480 I think she had a Pixie cut because hair in Confucian belief 2824 02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:25,920 connects you to your parents. And she wanted nothing to do 2825 02:29:25,920 --> 02:29:30,720 with her history, her parents, her father in particular, with 2826 02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:33,080 her past. And she, it's like she's cutting 2827 02:29:33,080 --> 02:29:36,160 it off, like cutting off all that connection. 2828 02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:38,680 I thought it was really important that she had a Pixie 2829 02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:40,320 cut. That's a good point. 2830 02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:43,360 That's a very good point, yeah, 'cause you kind of had to wonder 2831 02:29:43,360 --> 02:29:46,560 why she 'cause there's so much like displays of femininity and 2832 02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,440 blah, blah, whatever. And she did dress in like, you 2833 02:29:49,440 --> 02:29:52,120 know, dresses and jewelry and heels and things that are 2834 02:29:52,120 --> 02:29:53,920 associated with feminism, femininity. 2835 02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:55,560 I mean. And she, but she had the short 2836 02:29:55,560 --> 02:30:01,080 hair, which right now in Korea is not considered a good thing 2837 02:30:01,480 --> 02:30:03,880 for anti feminist people because they think that means you are a 2838 02:30:03,880 --> 02:30:06,160 feminist, which is a really considered a bad thing in some 2839 02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:08,800 parts of Korean society. So, yeah, it's very, it is 2840 02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:12,200 interesting, Yeah. We could talk way more about Sky 2841 02:30:12,200 --> 02:30:14,640 Castle. If you want to talk to us about 2842 02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:17,680 Sky Castle, we are totally game. We are totally game. 2843 02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:20,520 Meena, where can people find you online? 2844 02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:25,320 Well, I will always respond to DMS on Instagram. 2845 02:30:25,360 --> 02:30:29,240 I am K pop bookshelf. I do have my own podcast, K Pop 2846 02:30:29,240 --> 02:30:31,120 Bookshelf. It's, it's a bit of a misnomer 2847 02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:33,000 'cause I don't only talk about K Pop actually most of the time 2848 02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:36,240 talk about other stuff, Korean history and sociology and stuff 2849 02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:37,880 like that. So check it out. 2850 02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:40,880 It's like AK bookshelf. Yeah, yeah. 2851 02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:42,280 I gotta reel you guys in somehow. 2852 02:30:42,280 --> 02:30:45,160 So I call the K Pop bookshelf. But I do also talk about K Pop 2853 02:30:45,160 --> 02:30:45,840 sometimes. That's all. 2854 02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:48,760 Yeah. All right, Mina, thank you so 2855 02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:51,440 much for coming on the podcast and talking at length about Sky 2856 02:30:51,440 --> 02:30:53,080 Castle. This was so much fun. 2857 02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:56,000 Is there anything else you want to say about Sky Castle before 2858 02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:58,480 we get out of here? I actually would just really 2859 02:30:58,480 --> 02:30:59,960 encourage people to give it a chance. 2860 02:30:59,960 --> 02:31:03,600 If we have piqued your interest and you didn't watch it or other 2861 02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:06,280 people have told you like now is the time, now is the time to 2862 02:31:06,280 --> 02:31:07,600 just watch it. Even though you're like, I don't 2863 02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:09,680 know if it's for me, Just give it a chance, that's all. 2864 02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:12,800 Only thing I would say I agree we highly recommend it. 2865 02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:16,800 Please reach out to us if you want to talk about Sky Castle 2866 02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:20,840 more because there is so much we actually did not talk about 2867 02:31:21,400 --> 02:31:26,000 about this show and a lot of specifics that are even crazier 2868 02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:29,120 that we just didn't talk about. But that's been our show. 2869 02:31:29,160 --> 02:31:31,440 Thank you for having OH. My God, yes. 2870 02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:32,360 Thank you. Thank you. 2871 02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:35,560 That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been 2872 02:31:35,560 --> 02:31:49,840 the Tabaki Rambles podcast. Tell you the truth, sometimes we 2873 02:31:50,080 --> 02:32:03,440 live and listen. I all right, it's a it's faker. 2874 02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:08,920 Shut it up.