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I'm Jessica and this is Teba K 
Rambles, where a couple of 

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friends review Korean dramas and
we are back to review tomorrow. 

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For this episode, I am joined by
Pam from at Pam Dramaholic on 

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Instagram. 
Pam, how are you today? 

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Hey, Jazz, I'm fine. 
How about you? 

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I'm doing well. 
We were talking extensively 

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before we got on about theme 
parks and my really disastrous 

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Disneyland Paris outing that I 
had like over 10 years ago and 

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how you live in Germany and how 
I had German food today, which 

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is highly unusual. 
I never have German food. 

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We went out of our way to have 
delicious German food today and 

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you were like, wow, that's 
amazing. 

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So I just think if you don't 
know Pam on Instagram, you are a

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delight. 
I love interacting with you on 

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Instagram, which is the whole 
reason why I thought it would be

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fun to bring you on Tabak and 
talk about tomorrow. 

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You were originally cooking 
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dramas on Instagram because you 
love to cook recipes that were 

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inspired by K dramas. 
So I think you've kind of moved 

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a little bit away from that, but
you still do like a lot of that.

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Yeah, look, if you'd watch Asian
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Food is always important. 
It doesn't matter if someone is 

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sick, if someone is in love, 
food will always be the main 

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topic at some point. 
So I thought it would be like a 

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perfect combination. 
But you know, yeah, that's a lot

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of work. 
I did a few videos and then I 

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realized that, Oh my God, I need
not only time, but you have only

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one take. 
Like I messed up a few recipes 

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while recording or I messed up 
the audio and that was horrible 

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because then you have to redo 
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So I was like, maybe it's time 
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I'm still drama obsessed. 
I love food and I will every now

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and then still make some amazing
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cooking Asian food from scratch.
So I try to do it from scratch 

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as much as possible. 
But let's focus on the drama a 

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little bit more than on the 
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So maybe I will go to ramen and 
you know, so true, that should 

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be fine. 
That's not a problem with me. 

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I love ramen. 
So for those who are not 

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familiar with your page or or 
haven't aren't, are just not 

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familiar with how you got 
started in in K dramas, why 

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don't you give us a little bit 
more info about yourself, how 

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you got started? 
What were your first K dramas? 

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Maybe what are your favorite 
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And just a little bit. 
I know sometimes you watch a lot

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of stuff, but what are you 
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Oh wow a big question. 
Like if you don't follow me you 

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probably don't know my currently
watching list is longer than my 

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watch list probably at this 
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So to be honest I started K 
dramas because of a friend of 

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mine. 
Like she loves K pop and K 

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dramas and I told her like, I 
want to watch something similar 

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to telenovelas. 
I just miss I'm resilient, so I 

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really miss that feeling. 
And then she said, why don't you

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start watching K dramas? 
And my first K drama was 

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extraordinary. 
You so kind of fitting for. 

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Today that is intertwining 
especially well with today 

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because obviously. 
Everything is. 

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Yeah, Fate. 
It's fate. 

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It's faded. 
And I think I fell in love 

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because I felt like 
Extraordinary You was explaining

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me a little bit of the world of 
K dramas. 

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It did explain to me a lot. 
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watching K dramas, I kind of 
knew how it works in a way 

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because my friend was always 
talking about it. 

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And Extraordinary You was just 
perfect for me, at least as the 

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first K drama, you know, not too
heavy on the everything else 

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that I know, like bullying or 
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Just a simple, cute kind of K 
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And I mean, I did fall in love 
with Horan at this point, so. 

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And then I was just mainly 
following her suggestions. 

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So of course I watch Strong 
Woman, Du Bong Soon and then 

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Crush Landing on You, and they 
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Kind of like it's really hard 
for me to pick one. 

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But those two other ones, that 
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rewatch, I would. 
They were funny, they were cute,

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They just entertained me. 
And yeah, well, you can see that

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I do love my ROM coms, right? 
Romantic comedies will always be

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my favorites. 
I love giggling and just being 

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happy that people are falling in
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I'm not that romantic. 
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I can be fake romantic with the 
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watch too many romantic scenes, 
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It's too much now because it's 
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don't want to see it anymore. 
So I then just like actually to 

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watch a lot of horror and 
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I do love that and fantasy 
elements are always a fun thing 

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to have for me. 
I like that. 

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What are you currently watching?
I think I know the answer to 

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this because. 
Look. 

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I follow you, so yeah. 
I mean, my current obsession is 

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definitely AC drama, not AK 
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Oh well, it's the double. 
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loves to watch see dramas as 
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And so we bonded a lot over our 
love for see drama actors and 

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she would send me a lot of like 
photos of see drama actors and 

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tag me in things just, you know,
because we're friends. 

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So friends share. 
Putting a smile on friends face 

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is always my pleasure. 
Yes. 

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So your obsession currently is. 
Current obsession, definitely 

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the double like this is drama. 
You'll hear a lot about it 

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because final episodes are 
coming out and I cannot shut up 

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with it. 
But I'm also watching 2 kid 

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romas, believe it or not. 
Finally I found two that kind of

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entertaining. 
They are. 

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Wait, what's the name again? 
Miss night and day, You know, 

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another fantasy kind of ROM com 
thriller action. 

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I think we will have everything 
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And my sweet mobster on vacuum. 
Uh huh. 

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Yeah, so I think I'm just 
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something entertaining because 
the angsty part of the double is

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coming and I cannot deal with it
in a halfway like a normal 

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person usually so. 
Yeah, I am excited to press play

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on the double eventually. 
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play pretty soon because it's 
ending finally and I hate 

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waiting for episodes. 
And also I just can't keep up 

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with the release schedule of AC 
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I just can't. 
That's true. 

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I heard from Liliana that they 
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double. 
She was obviously going to get 

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it. 
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get you, Liliana. 
They already got me a few weeks 

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ago and I'm like, you know what,
it was like €3 for me or 

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whatever, you know, I can 
totally pay for that. 

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I will do that for the double as
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I can't. 
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I'm horrible at waiting. 
I have no patience whatsoever. 

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Yeah. 
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with C Drama Land, because 
you're listening to AK Drama 

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review episode, some platforms 
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finale episodes early. 
They are available early, but 

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you have to pay for them. 
They're behind a paywall. 

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So it's the fast pass. 
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And it's very low paywall. 
Like as Pam said, it was like €3

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for her and she was like, I'm, 
I'm doing it like I just want to

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see the finale now. 
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And that's how they get you 
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the platform. 
Yes, but also you cannot ever 

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enter the Internet until you 
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already watched that, right, 
'cause right now, just a few 

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minutes ago, before we started 
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I'm like, I'm not dealing with 
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This is if this happens. 
If this is true, I'm going to be

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crying after we record this 
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OK, yeah, well, as you know, for
K dramas on Tabak, every review 

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we do a non spoiler and spoiler 
section, so you will not have to

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worry about being spoiled for 
tomorrow. 

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The K drama we're going to 
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But thank you so much for 
talking through your experience 

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in Asian dramas, Pam and welcome
to Tabak. 

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OK, so before we get into this 

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episode, I do want to say that 
this episode comes with a large 

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trigger warning. 
This episode and this show that 

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we're going to be talking about 
has content related to suicide 

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especially and sexual assault. 
A lot of heavy topics will be 

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discussed and the show tomorrow 
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suicide especially as well as 
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So I'll get going on the 
Wikipedia synopsis because the 

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other synopses were no good, 
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So here we go. 
Trejun is a young job seeker who

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is unable to secure a job 
through an accident. 

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He meets the grim weepers 
Kuriong and IMBR Young Gu, who 

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have the task of preventing 
suicide, and works with them as 

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the youngest contract worker in 
the crisis management team of 

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Death Angels. 
So I was like, wow, Death Angels

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is the way that Wikipedia puts 
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So Tomorrow aired in April, from
April to May of 2022. 

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So the show is 2 years old. 
It is 16 episodes long and it 

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has a couple of directors. 
Kim Thee Yun is the first 

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director. 
Obviously they've directed 

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Tomorrow but that's the only K 
drama that they've directed. 

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They are mostly a screenwriter 
and he's also directed some 

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movies like Accrual, Attendance,
Another Family, New Trial, Mr. 

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Zoo, the The Missing, VIP and 
written a lot of those movies as

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well. 
The Co director is Sung Chiuk, 

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he's directed DNA Lover and 
Kairos. 

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These are recent dramas like I'm
talking Kairos is 2020 and DNA 

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Lover is 2020 should should be 
released this year 2024. 

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So and that's it. 
That's all that this other 

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director has done. 
Kind of feels like these 

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directors were largely untested 
to me but especially in the K 

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drama sphere. 
Like they are not really TV 

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directors and then the writers 
are POC Ji Jung Cha Hyung and 

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Kemujin is really weird because 
POC Jack Young is the is only 

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listed on MDL. 
She's not listed as a writer on 

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Asian wiki. 
Only Kemujin is listed as a 

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writer on on wiki. 
It's strange, but this is their 

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only screen credit ever, so they
haven't. 

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Like I'm not really familiar 
with all the directors and 

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stuff, but that's incredible 
then. 

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Yeah, like none of these people 
have a resume that we can 

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recognize, so it's a little bit 
strange. 

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Yeah. 
But the cast we can recognize, 

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so. 
Oh, and if I didn't mention this

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before, tomorrow is based on a 
web tune on Naver by the same 

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name. 
So the cast, Let's talk about 

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Kim Hee Sung, who plays GUI 
Yong. 

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She is the team leader. 
I called her Little Red in my 

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notes because she has a red hair
and red eye shadow. 

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Yeah, she has done about 10 
movies and 19 TV shows, 

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including someones that I was 
like, man, I can't believe she 

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did these. 
So My Fair Lady from 2003, Faith

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from 2012, which is where I 
recognized her from, I was like,

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man, she looks so familiar. 
She looks so familiar. 

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When I put the dog together and 
I saw that she had done Faith, I

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was like, Oh my God, that's 
where she's from. 

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Faith with Lehman Ho How have 
you seen that look? 

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I don't think I've ever seen her
before. 

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OK, that's fine. 
That's fine. 

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It The thing is, she had red 
hair as well in faith. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, she had like this Auburn, 

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long Auburn hair. 
And I'll tell you that Faith 

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Show is from 2012. 
I watched it when I was airing. 

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I loved it. 
Then I rewatched it not long 

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after I finished it and I was 
like, wow, this show is shit. 

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I don't know what I was on like 
back then. 

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I was like rewatching shows and 
realizing like, what was I 

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thinking a few weeks ago? 
And I watched this and loved. 

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It. 
So faith from 2012 with Imeno 

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Lord, she has not aged. 
I mean, she looks stunning when 

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I first saw her and then I saw 
her and I'm like, what do you 

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mean? 
What do you? 

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Mean what? 
What do you mean? 

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Can I look like that too? 
And the red health suits her so 

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well. 
I'm so sorry. 

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I love it. 
It does. 

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I haven't seen her like at least
in Tomorrow, that's where I know

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her from right? 
I love her hair. 

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Like the colour is just her 
colour. 

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It looks amazing on her. 
She's also been in The Lady in 

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Dignity from 2017, Room Number 9
from 2018, Alice, Remarriage and

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Desires, which is a Netflix show
from 2022. 

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And I've always thought, oh, let
me press play on that. 

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But I think it's a mock Jung. 
So I've always been like, maybe 

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not, perhaps not. 
And then she's supposed to be in

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bittersweet hell this year. 
It's a 2024 release. 

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Yeah, I I saw that. 
Did you see it? 

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OK, maybe. 
No, I haven't. 

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Like I'm so behind on some 
dramas. 

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I mean, it's OK, girl, you know 
Alice, you. 

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Don't have to tell me. 
You don't have to tell me. 

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Yeah. 
Never Ending story is, oh, I'm 

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behind. 
So what did you think about her 

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in this show? 
She is basically the star of 

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this show to me. 
It's her and then everybody else

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is supporting her. 
That's that's that's my feeling 

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on this. 
I know it's an ensemble cast, 

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but I don't know. 
For me, it's just her. 

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Yeah, no, for me as well, 
because I felt like we they got 

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like a deeper understanding of 
her at some point. 

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I really enjoyed her acting. 
It was a for me, it also felt 

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like she was like the female Lee
that was just, it was about her 

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at some point, like her dealing 
with everything happening with 

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her past, with everything else 
right now as well. 

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And I actually enjoyed her 
acting. 

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So I would definitely watch 
something again with her in it. 

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So for me it was good, but I 
also don't have anything to 

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compare it to right? 
OK, yeah, sure. 

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But it kind of gave you a taste 
of like what she. 

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Yeah. 
What she's like on screen and 

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her presence. 
And you were impressed? 

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Yeah, I. 
Was in a way OK, I would have to

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see her like in a in a different
role. 

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I like to compare actors with 
like, you know, like gloomy, sad

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dramas with how they deal also 
with maybe comedy and stuff, 

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right? 
Because this, yeah, role I would

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say was more serious than like 
from the other actors, right. 

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And I feel like if I can see her
range a little bit better, I 

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will have a like a better 
understanding. 

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But for now, I enjoyed her. 
Would definitely watch again. 

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Yeah. 
What about you? 

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I hadn't seen her in over a 
decade. 

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So I was like, man, she again, I
was plagued by the where have I 

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seen this person before? 
Feeling OK? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And then once I finished the 

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show and I looked it up, I was 
like, Oh my God. 

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Of course, she was in this 
freaking show with Lee Min Ho 

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and that show Faith, I'll just 
give you the quick, like, quick 

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one sentence, like, what's it 
about? 

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So this doctor, she's the doctor
and present day somehow time 

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slippage, she gets sent back in 
time. 

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And Lehman Hill is this warrior 
in medieval career. 

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And so she is kind of a hot 
commodity because she has all of

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this medical knowledge. 
Yeah, and I don't even remember 

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anything else about the show 
like that is as far as the 

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extent of my. 
Let's see, I hear time travel. 

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I'm like, yeah, let's. 
Skip this one. 

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No, I understand complete like 
girl, you don't have to justify 

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like not liking time slippage 
stories to me. 

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I just, it's like rare time 
travel. 

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I'm like do it better. 
Do it better. 

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I know, I know, I know. 
Done. 

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So anyway, I really enjoyed her 
in this. 

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I think that the she's also in 
this, this I I suck at this 

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because I wish that I had 
watched more from her, but she's

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in this level where she's paired
with younger men. 

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Yeah. 
And Lehman Ho back then was, I 

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mean, 10 years ago, he was even 
younger. 

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So they were love interest back 
then. 

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And she was always older. 
She's born in 1977 is I think 

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they're the year that she was 
born. 

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Yeah, I don't know. 
So there was a age gap between 

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them and I think she's in the 
same class as Oh my God, What's 

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the crash course in romance 
lady? 

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Oh I I know what you mean but 
I'm so bad with nags. 

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But I know I like I. 
I watched that. 

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Do you so crash course in 
romance? 

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Is. 
Oh my God, why is her John 

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Doyon, Don John Doyon, that Lady
where she is afforded the 

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privilege because she's in a 
class where she's so well 

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respected that she can be paired
with a younger man. 

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It's like an honor. 
And I feel like it's the same 

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with her. 
I don't think it's a stretch to 

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say it's the same with. 
Kimisa no, I can't see that. 

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Like I watch crush course in 
romance right? 

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Wait. 
It is crash course in romance, 

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but it's hard because there's 
the crash landing on you, rolls 

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off the tongue easier than crash
course, and you have to like 

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redirect your brain when you 
talk about this. 

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Just my third language. 
I'm fighting here. 

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OK, OK. 
So yeah. 

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And then talking about Korean 
dramas, Yeah, my head is 

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spinning. 
OK, Anyways, definitely crash 

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cursing Romans. 
I watched it just for fun and I 

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actually enjoy it when the age 
of like when the woman is older 

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and the guy's younger, I 
actually enjoy this a little bit

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more than if it's the other way 
around. 

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So and here I don't know, like 
her love interest. 

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Can we call her and well. 
So hold on his. 

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I feel like it. 
Was good. 

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It worked. 
No, I got the wrong name. 

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Hold on. 
No, now I need to know his age. 

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Now I need to know how old is. 
He young or old? 

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No, he's definitely younger than
her. 

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Isa Hyuk is definitely younger 
than her. 

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Oh my God. 
By a full decade by. 

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A full decade. 
He's born in 1988. 

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Oh wow, that's look, I love 
them. 

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I fell in love with both of them
together. 

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I know. 
They were. 

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They were great, yes. 
Yeah, I I just love it. 

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I'm really if the romance is 
bad, but the, you know, the 

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woman is older and the guy is 
younger, not too young though. 

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If he's gonna act stupid, please
go away. 

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But you know, like a. 
Proper. 

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An adult man, an adult and an 
older woman. 

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It's pretty hard to find, I 
know. 

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But yeah, I I just love that so.
So Co star part of the ensemble 

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cast is row wound, which is I 
think the main reason why 

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everybody watches this show. 
I mean, what do you, what do you

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think, Pam? 
I I mean, I think I commented on

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your video, right? 
I love him. 

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I maybe a little bit because it 
was my first drama and he was in

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it. 
He was like the mainly tribe and

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I love it, but also my sweet 
guy. 

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Can you do something else? 
Can you do a thriller and be the

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bad guy and just be mean Another
go and retrieve a boyfriend. 

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OK, Because yeah, I like his 
acting for comedies. 

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It's it's OK, right? 
It's he seems quite funny. 

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I guess I know know him 
personally. 

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I wish though, but I felt like 
this role was not so different 

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from his other roles. 
And I saw a few more of his 

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works and there is one that I 
roll. 

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I don't know how I finished that
and I really wish he did not 

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pick this one. 
Do you want to say what? 

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OK, so I'll just go through his 
filmography and then I will talk

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about him as well without 
because this conversation needs 

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to be had it just. 
I mean, I made a whole video 

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about this drama because I was 
like, what the fuck were you 

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trying to do? 
Sorry. 

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OK so Roman plays Jun Wong, he 
obviously is a former member of 

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SF9 which makes him an idol. 
I still consider him an idol 

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even if he's quit the band. 
Technically, he quit only last. 

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Year, I think it's. 2023 is when
he announced he was taking. 

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A. 
Protracted break. 

394
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He's 63. 
He's giant. 

395
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He looks tall in everything I've
seen him in, he looks giant. 

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And he's now 27 years old. 
He has been in quite a few 

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dramas. 
He's been in School 2017 and 

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obviously the year 2017. 
The school series that has come 

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out of Korea is very famous for 
creating stars. 

400
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People that you see in the 
school series, very high chance 

401
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that they will become famous. 
They will become Hollywood 

402
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stars. 
And if you look back at the 

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school series, you'll be 
surprised. 

404
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:40,040
Just dead ass surprised. 
Yeah, not that those shows are 

405
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amazing, like some are probably 
great, but I know word of 

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caution. 
They're usually the first jobs 

407
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out of out of college. 
You know what I'm saying? 

408
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Like out of idolhood is like 
they get in the school series. 

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But anyway, about time. 
He's been in that show from 

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2018, where stars land from 2018
same year. 

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And then we hit extraordinary 
you from 20/19, which was your 

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first K drama. 
It is Co directed by one of the 

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directors of True Beauty, so 
there's that connection. 

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And then? 
The other director of 

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extraordinary you directed my 
Mr. Oh, I haven't watched this 

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one yet. 
Oh shit. 

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OK, well, highly. 
It's on my like look, it's high 

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on my list then a lot more but. 
Definitely watch my Mr. So it's 

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almost like lobster and Skittles
situation. 

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You had like 2 vastly different 
directors specializing in two 

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different genres, almost two 
different tones and they mash 

422
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them together and they made them
work on Extraordinary. 

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I don't know how they made them 
sign up on this together, but 

424
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Extraordinary and maybe they're 
friends. 

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Extraordinary you in 2019 and 
then we have She Would Never 

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Know from 2021. 
There is a Patreon episode up if

427
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you want to hear my final 
thoughts on that. 

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00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,360
Spoiler alert, not very good. 
My thoughts were not very 

429
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:07,760
positive. 
It's what I mean to say. 

430
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The King's affection from 2021. 
I dropped that at episode 13. 

431
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OK. 
But I don't like the ending 

432
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,040
though I have beef with. 
It. 

433
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Yeah. 
So then you have beef with it. 

434
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Wonderful. 
I mean, that's sarcastically 

435
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destined with you from 2023. 
That's the show. 

436
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,080
Yeah, there it is. 
That's the one. 

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That's Oh my God, no, we could 
cancel this one, I'm pretty 

438
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sure. 
I don't know, I started watching

439
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,000
it because, you know, I said I 
love fantasy in ROM coms, but it

440
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was giving me nothing except 
pain. 

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I was watching it. 
I'm like, did you get lost at 

442
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some point? 
This is still fantasy. 

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00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760
I was no, I was generally 
confused. 

444
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,480
I was watching it like OK, now 
I'm confused if this what's 

445
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going to happen, it's still 
fantasy, is it? 

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I felt like really they got 
lost. 

447
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,960
They just didn't know what to 
do. 

448
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,040
They were starting off right? 
I mean, remember, there was a 

449
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scene, if you haven't watched it
yet. 

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So I'm just going to say like, 
so I think it has been on the 

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Internet. 
Everybody was like, oh, my God, 

452
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,240
this is so nice. 
It's so hard. 

453
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,480
And they're like, OK, I also 
like it, you know, like this 

454
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200
bloody hand on the red hand in 
episode one. 

455
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

456
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,480
And I'm like, oh, wow. 
Do I finally get my ruin being a

457
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,760
little more serious, a little 
bit, you know, just doing 

458
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,760
something different. 
No, you went into full golden 

459
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,360
retriever back again like this 
was one second and that's why I 

460
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,400
started the show and now I 
wished I'd never seen it. 

461
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,400
I watched the drama and people, 
please, that was not good. 

462
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,720
You cannot convince me that was 
good. 

463
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,360
They got lost with the plot and 
my ruin is once again playing 

464
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,080
the same stupid boyfriend and I 
got. 

465
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,880
And then most recently he was in
the Matchmakers, also a 2023 

466
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,480
show. 
I think it made me started in 

467
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:08,560
2023 and end in 2024. 
I don't have a good track record

468
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:15,000
with with Rowan shows, which is 
the entire reason that I thought

469
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,320
let me watch tomorrow because I 
was talking to people. 

470
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040
People were like, well, maybe 
you should watch tomorrow. 

471
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,280
Tomorrow's his best work. 
Tomorrow's the best thing he's 

472
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,920
been in. 
It's so good, yadda, yadda, 

473
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,160
yadda. 
So here I am, I watch tomorrow. 

474
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,960
But I have to say, I decided to 
put out this question on the 

475
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,800
socials. 
What do we think of Rowan as a 

476
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:43,360
leading man in K drama? 
Is he everyone and their mom 

477
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,080
said, oh, he's so beautiful, 
He's so hot. 

478
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,000
All these different fire emoji, 
the heart eyes emoji, 

479
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,040
everything. 
And I'm like, yes, yes, yes, 

480
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,560
yes, I know this I but tell me, 
can he acts? 

481
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,920
What do you think about his 
chops, his talent? 

482
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Is he more than a pretty face? 
Because I'm concerned about the 

483
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,520
intersection of talent and, you 
know, beauty, right? 

484
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000
I would love for everyone who's 
on screen to like deserve to be 

485
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:18,280
there and the K drama industry, 
the K pop industry, hell, all of

486
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:24,440
Korea is very vain, pretty 
privileged, is rampant and is 

487
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,080
roboon. 
I mean, one of these people that

488
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,080
do we have do we I I see the 
gears turning in your head, fam.

489
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,200
And The thing is, I didn't want 
to come out and say I don't 

490
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,560
think he's a good actor, blah 
blah, because it's not that the 

491
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,720
that's not the case at all. 
I just want to know what's the 

492
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,720
consensus? 
And The thing is, it was a mixed

493
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,000
bag, completely mixed bag. 
Everyone was like, I don't think

494
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,200
he's a good actor or I think 
he's improved or I love him. 

495
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,360
I love his acting. 
He's such a great comedic actor.

496
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,760
Everyone agreed baseline that 
he's a great comedic actor. 

497
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680
And I'm like, OK, so we need him
in something else. 

498
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,360
He's been typecast. 
You're saying he's been 

499
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,840
typecast? 
Yeah, yeah, he has. 

500
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,040
And I mean, I wouldn't say that 
he's like, he's amazing actor. 

501
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,720
Like I love him. 
Yes, I do, but more because I 

502
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,160
know that he can do comedy so 
well. 

503
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,960
I feel like it feels authentic, 
right? 

504
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,680
In a way. 
But I think he needs to stop 

505
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,160
doing ROM coms for a bit. 
Do a movie that's a little bit 

506
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,520
darker, do something that's not 
him being the golden tree 

507
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,080
boyfriend. 
Because if I watch the Kings of 

508
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Action and I enjoyed it, 
ignoring the end, and then 

509
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,600
again, he is always the simp. 
He is always the simp boyfriend.

510
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,800
I'm like, that's cute and all, 
but you cannot like, I hate 

511
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,520
actors that are always the same.
I'm like, yeah, OK, I saw this, 

512
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,920
but you're playing the same 
character again, just with a 

513
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,560
different name in a different 
series. 

514
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,320
So yeah, I did like him a little
bit more in Tomorrow than in 

515
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Dustin with you. 
And I do think that ignoring the

516
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,120
fact that Extraordinary you is 
my first OK drama, I would put 

517
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,520
tomorrow's definitely on his 
words, at least that I know like

518
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,520
on being the number one, to be 
honest, definitely better than 

519
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080
whatever he did and Dustin hit 
with you and everything else. 

520
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,640
I agree with the people. 
I agree with the people. 

521
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,080
I agree with the people because 
I see improving. 

522
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Right. 
I see improvement. 

523
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Like personally I've seen she 
would never know. 

524
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,520
I've seen, I've seen King's 
Affection even if I dropped it 

525
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,080
at episode 13. 
I've seen Destin with You even 

526
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,960
if I dropped it again a late 
episode, but I saw a lot of it. 

527
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,880
I don't think that I dropped 
these because of his acting, and

528
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,640
I don't think that I disliked 
the shows because of his acting.

529
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,080
Even if I finished, she would 
never know. 

530
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,920
I was kicking and screaming like
all the way to the finish line 

531
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,360
on that one. 
And it was not because of 

532
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200
Rowan's acting. 
It was literally because of 

533
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,240
writing, because of Female 
League, because of everything 

534
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440
else. 
And to me that says like, oh, 

535
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,960
he's not really the issue, but 
maybe he still is because he's 

536
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,320
choosing these shit gay dramas. 
Yeah, I always wonder, like, 

537
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,800
does he not feel comfortable 
playing darker roles or does he 

538
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,720
not get it because I mean, his 
face does not look like a 

539
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,760
villain, you know, like his Co 
star. 

540
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Wait, Lisa yuk, sorry. 
You know, you look at that man 

541
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,080
and he whatever. 
Yeah, he can do the villain. 

542
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760
And I was still back for him, 
so, you know, everyone on my 

543
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,360
knees for him. 
But Rowan is still a cutie pie. 

544
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,320
This man is so tall, everything 
he does will look kind of 

545
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,120
clumsy. 
It doesn't. 

546
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,040
But yeah, he needs something 
else to improve a little bit 

547
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,720
more. 
Yeah, I think he. 

548
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,080
And The thing is, there's 
another, I hesitate to say 

549
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,360
actor, but it is an actor, 
another actor from SF9 who's 

550
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,520
been acting since he was a 
child, and he doesn't have the 

551
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,880
same opportunities as Romun has 
had simply because of what? 

552
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,840
Like 'cause he doesn't look like
Romun. 

553
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Yeah, that's Korea. 
Sometimes we are then not 

554
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,240
aspired. 
And they came from the same. 

555
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Need an end? 
Yeah, yeah. 

556
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,240
Like you can literally compare 
them. 

557
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,280
It's kind of hard not to 
compare. 

558
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,600
But to be honest, I only know 
him as an actor, right. 

559
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
I didn't know that he was an 
idol before or was still at a 

560
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,960
time. 
And when I saw him singing and 

561
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,400
dance, I'm like, yeah, don't. 
And like, keep singing, maybe 

562
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
just don't dance because he's 
really tall. 

563
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,560
And when I saw him video him 
next, I'm like, acting is good. 

564
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,240
Good choice, buddy, good choice.
Do it again. 

565
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,960
So Roman, funny story though, I 
was watching it on the big TV in

566
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,960
my family room, but tomorrow I 
was watching the show tomorrow 

567
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,840
on the big TV in my family room 
and I was like debating, like it

568
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,920
is he? 
I was like, is it just me? 

569
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,960
I think he's attractive. 
Like I think Roman is 

570
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,440
attractive, but I put it up to 
Solomon, my sister. 

571
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,280
So I told my sister and I said, 
hey, look at the screen. 

572
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,160
Do you think that guy is 
attractive? 

573
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
And it took a minute, 'cause, 
you know, I'm not pausing it or 

574
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,960
anything. 
I'm just like letting the drama 

575
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,240
go. 
And finally Rowan shows up like 

576
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,440
that guy and it takes 2 seconds.
She's like, I can't really tell 

577
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,120
because he's had so much work 
done. 

578
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,840
And I was like, you know what? 
Fair, fair. 

579
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,280
Fair enough, fair enough. 
You know what? 

580
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Fair. 
We have such a skewed view, 

581
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,120
yeah, of what is attractive and 
what is not because we've just 

582
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,520
been been exposed to the Korean 
aesthetic. 

583
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Yeah. 
And beauty standard for salons. 

584
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,280
That's so true. 
But literally my sister was 

585
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,120
like, yeah, like I see had a lot
of work done. 

586
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,840
I can't really I hard to tell. 
Yeah. 

587
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,600
I always say like. 
Damn. 

588
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,320
Actors, when it comes back to 
saying like they're attractive, 

589
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,239
I always be like, OK, they're 
attractive. 

590
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,120
And the type of guy that I would
talk to to, you know, ask for 

591
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,400
the number, I would go on a 
date. 

592
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,120
Another guys I think are like 
just attractive, being pretty. 

593
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,920
I and I'm like Rowan is always 
in the middle. 

594
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,320
Like I, I can't tell, like he 
looks pretty and he's really 

595
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,840
attractive. 
Would he be my type, though? 

596
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,400
I don't think come on, 
Especially because I don't like 

597
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,960
tall guys. 
So I'm like, that's a giant for 

598
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,880
me. 63. 
Yeah, yeah. 

599
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,080
But yeah, he's improving. 
Yeah, maybe he will get. 

600
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,400
He chooses shit projects. 
You can't tell me otherwise. 

601
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,320
Like I'm convinced and for real,
he's had a couple of wins, but 

602
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,560
like I. 
Will call the manager and be 

603
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,320
like, no, let's not do this 
again. 

604
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,600
We're switching up baby. 
Yeah. 

605
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,360
All right, so we're moving on to
you. 

606
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,840
We already talked about him 
briefly because he was born in 

607
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,360
1988. 
Isuhiuk, who plays Jung Gill, 

608
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,240
the escort team leader. 
Slash, I have him here as the 

609
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:17,600
voice slash ABS because he just 
I don't know if you saw the 

610
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,000
recent. 
Of. 

611
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,720
Course I saw it. 
Oh. 

612
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,840
The photo shoot that came out. 
Recently I opened my phone. 

613
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,480
I'm like. 
Oh my God. 

614
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960
This is this is a lot. 
Should I post it now? 

615
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,000
I'm going to get should. 
I post it same. 

616
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,520
Well, I'm like, you couldn't 
take it away from me. 

617
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Like the carousel was like, I 
was like flipping back and forth

618
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,120
and then flipping back the other
way and I was like lost, lost, 

619
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,400
lost my train. 
Flat no. 

620
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,760
So anyway, he's been in about 5 
movies, 20 TV shows including 

621
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Tree with deep Roots, which I 
was like wow that's a very 

622
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,480
iconic saga. 
Historical K drama from 2011 

623
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,520
high school King of Savvy, which
I was like whoa I forgot he was 

624
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,440
in that Scholar Who Walks the 
night from 2015. 

625
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,360
This is where I saw him first, 
and this is where I saw him 

626
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,400
last. 
Because. 

627
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,680
He's just kind of been a 
presence in, you know, K media 

628
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,480
for so long, but I forgot. 
This is where I watched him 

629
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,840
legitimately. 
Like, this is where I saw him on

630
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,600
screen. 
Scholar was tonight. 

631
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,120
He played a vampire and I was 
like, yeah, that fucking tracks.

632
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,160
Like. 
He when he came out. 

633
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Of I mean, who else would play a
vampire? 

634
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Yeah, he played Vampire. 
Cree is the name of his 

635
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200
character. 
Yeah, he's When he started 

636
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160
talking, I vividly remember 
hearing him speak for the first 

637
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,840
time. 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you cannot

638
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,080
forget that you. 
Can't forget it 'cause it just 

639
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,120
doesn't match his face, his 
body, anything. 

640
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,880
So he started talking and I was 
like, Jesus Christ, is that the 

641
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880
is that for real? 
And it's absolutely for real. 

642
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,360
That's his deep ass voice 
emanating from this body. 

643
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,720
I don't. 
I just don't know so. 

644
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,200
For me, it's like it was my 
first work with him. 

645
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,760
Like I've seen clips or of the 
scholar who walks the night, 

646
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,880
Right. 
So of course I've seen the 

647
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,680
clips. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

648
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,160
I'm like, Oh my God. 
Wow. 

649
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,640
I need to watch this drama. 
But I'm like, I don't know if 

650
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,960
Koreans can do vampire. 
Well, I I just don't know. 

651
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,600
I don't see it at some point. 
I don't know why, but I yeah, so

652
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,520
I can't. 
Every vampire show I've seen 

653
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,440
from Korea is like, all right. 
It's never like, I don't know 

654
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,880
because I've seen so much 
vampire shit in my life. 

655
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,880
It's it's never. 
I love vampires and if. 

656
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,360
You're going to mess with 
vampires. 

657
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,640
Do it right, do it right, do it 
sexy. 

658
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Like do it, you know, I mean, 
not that he wasn't sexy in the 

659
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,880
in the. 
Oh no, Scholar was like, I saw 

660
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,320
one clip. 
I'm like, whatever, I'm just 

661
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,320
going to watch whatever till the
end of the day. 

662
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Sold. 
You got me there. 

663
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,600
Got me so he was in that lucky 
romance. 

664
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Sweet Stranger and me do metro 
service from 20/21. 

665
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:56,360
Empress Wu is coming out this 
year 2024 and S Line as well. 

666
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,720
These are two projects that he 
has coming out in 2024. 

667
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,560
What did you think of Isukiok 
and his role in Tomorrow? 

668
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,640
Just. 
Instantly, like, are you mushy 

669
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,600
girl? 
Oh my God, of course. 

670
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,480
Look. 
If he was in front of you right 

671
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,480
now and we'll like when he was 
absolutely mean to her like to 

672
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,240
gurion. 
I was like yes to me too. 

673
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,560
Now please be angry at me. 
I also did something wrong. 

674
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,320
Hello I also. 
Did something wrong? 

675
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,400
No, I I loved it. 
I don't know if it was because I

676
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,360
mean of course it was because of
his voice, right? 

677
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,800
I do love a deep voice. 
So watching my sweet mops. 

678
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,800
So right now is also amazing for
my ears. 

679
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,880
And then I saw him like, OK, he 
is attractive. 

680
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,960
And this voice is a cherry on 
top. 

681
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Like this man could tell me 
everything. 

682
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,720
He could be lying, gas lighting 
me. 

683
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,360
I don't know. 
I vote for him. 

684
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
I don't care. 
I don't care. 

685
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,240
I don't care. 
It's fine. 

686
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,920
Let's forget feminism for a 
second, OK? 

687
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,280
Oh. 
My God, Pam. 

688
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,160
I'm so sorry, but I I really 
love deep voices. 

689
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,720
And when he started talking 
like, oh, the drama just got so 

690
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,680
much better and all like, I love
you Roan, but you just lost. 

691
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,040
You just lost. 
Roan never heard of him. 

692
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Yeah. 
Who's that? 

693
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,640
Who's that? 
Yeah. 

694
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,680
And the chemistry with our girl 
Kurian. 

695
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,240
It was just amazing. 
Yeah. 

696
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,400
So I fell in love with both. 
I was like, Oh my God. 

697
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Yes. 
Always on screen please. 

698
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Like he's so mean, but he's so 
mean. 

699
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,600
Yeah, but. 
I. 

700
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,440
I forgive. 
Him. 

701
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,240
Oh my gosh. 
So he's, yeah, he's in there. 

702
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,040
You know I love red flags. 
Look at what I posed. 

703
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,040
There is no way I would not love
him. 

704
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,440
I know, you know, The thing is 
like that's why we bonded 

705
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,080
initially is like because we 
like the same red flags 

706
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,040
characters, characters we 
understand. 

707
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,560
I don't want to hear this like 
really is like, oh, these people

708
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,880
are so toxic, blah blah. 
How can you like so and so? 

709
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,360
It's like it's a fictional 
fucking character. 

710
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,880
Yeah, I don't like my excess are
worse, so I don't know people. 

711
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,400
It's like. 
Keep it in perspective, yeah. 

712
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,480
So yeah, we'll just move on for 
now. 

713
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,240
But the last person we want to 
highlight on the cast list 

714
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,840
before we get into our general 
thoughts is Yun Jion, who plays 

715
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,680
IM Ryungu. 
He is part of the escort team, 

716
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,880
He rounds out our trio, our 
three Musketeers, and he's done 

717
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,440
about four movies and 20 TV 
shows. 

718
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,520
When I saw his resume, I was 
shocked. 

719
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Shocked, I thought. 
I've never seen him before. 

720
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Why are you in everything? 
He's been in everything and I 

721
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,760
thought, this is how you this is
a true resume. 

722
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,200
Like when I looked at his 
resume, I was like, this is a 

723
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,880
real person who has no 
connections, not an idol who has

724
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,560
literally worked their way up 
through bit parts in TV shows 

725
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,400
that are actually of notoriety. 
Like he's picking really great 

726
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,600
scripts and being someone like a
nobody in the show versus 

727
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,240
getting a shit script and being 
someone big, like taking a 

728
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,040
larger part in the show. 
You know what I'm saying? 

729
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,240
So he was in memory from 2016 as
assistant director, not even a 

730
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,800
named character, our gab Goon 
stranger. 

731
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,120
He was in episodes three and 
four of the season one of 

732
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,720
Stranger, which we covered just 
recently on the podcast. 

733
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,760
You can scroll back. 
Yeah, amazing show. 

734
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,520
He was in hit the top as 
detective, a detective character

735
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,880
in hit the top Mr. Sunshine. 
He was in a student soldier not 

736
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,080
even named character in Mr. 
Sunshine, where stars land 

737
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,920
security check employee be 
melodramatic VIP psychopath 

738
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,880
diary memorist sweet home. 
The first season he was in an 

739
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:04,600
episode 4 so many things. 
The witches diner GD sun this 

740
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,320
show tomorrow, my lovely liar. 
Most recently he played Duk Tron

741
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,040
duk Tron and then he's got a 
couple projects coming out this 

742
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,640
year. 
Love love next door 

743
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,120
serendipities embrace. 
I love to see this type of 

744
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,280
resume, I love to see this type 
of filmography that you don't 

745
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,360
see this that often anymore. 
I was so surprised because I 

746
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,200
watched My Lovely Light. 
I'm like, what do you mean? 

747
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,160
He was there because I watched 
the show. 

748
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,960
It was airing. 
I was watching it so I was like,

749
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,800
Oh my God, I need to rewatch it 
just to see where he was. 

750
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:46,000
And he's, I think, 33 years old.
Oh, that's, I look kind of young

751
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,880
in a way. 
That's a lot of work. 

752
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,440
This one has been working a lot.
Yeah. 

753
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,520
I love it. 
I wish. 

754
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,480
I want to see him more to be 
honest and I. 

755
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,120
Want to see him more? 
Enjoy his character. 

756
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,760
Yeah, yeah. 
I think it's high time that he 

757
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,600
gets more responsibility on a 
show. 

758
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:14,600
And when you compare him to 
Rowan, you start to get a little

759
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:20,960
like, OK, yeah, I guess you 
start to raise. 

760
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,720
You start to raise your 
eyebrows. 

761
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,480
A little bit, yeah. 
I mean, I think I need like a 

762
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,760
compilation of all his scenes 
and other dramas just to see 

763
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,000
like, yeah, that would be 
amazing to see. 

764
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,760
Like, you know, his development 
and how he definitely played, 

765
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,480
played so many different 
characters. 

766
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040
He learned a lot. 
Yeah, and just being on those 

767
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,440
sets for, you know, probably a 
day or so, just doing those 

768
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,080
scenes and stuff, playing bit 
parts. 

769
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,480
I, I really, I think he should 
be bigger than he is. 

770
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Yeah, for real. 
So we also have Kim Heisuk the 

771
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,000
Great Kim Heisuk as the Jade 
Emperor, the King of Heaven. 

772
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,560
And other than that, there are 
also other names that come out 

773
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,240
throughout the series in the 
cases that come up in each 

774
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,400
episode, but we are not going to
go over them. 

775
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,880
So without further ado, Pam. 
What did you? 

776
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Taking this long, but Pam, what 
do you think of tomorrow? 

777
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,960
What are your general thoughts? 
About the show, yeah. 

778
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,280
So I mean, I did rewatch it for 
this episode, right? 

779
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:34,880
So I watched it while it was 
airing and at that time I was, I

780
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,920
mean, it was COVID time already,
right? 

781
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,400
It's 20. 22 Summer Yeah 2022. 
Yeah, still kind of COVID 

782
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,560
happening and a lot was going on
in my personal life and I was 

783
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,320
watching this one and I could 
resonate with it a lot, right? 

784
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,280
So many things that was similar 
to my life that I also 

785
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,240
experienced in a way or just 
know from other people. 

786
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,600
So I was like, oh wow, this is 
so much. 

787
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,120
I did cry a lot. 
I usually don't cry that easy. 

788
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
It's really hard to make me cry 
with dramas before. 

789
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,160
So my friend is triggered even 
easier. 

790
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,200
So. 
But now that I rewatched them, 

791
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,680
like some episodes were kind of 
boring and I'm like, oh wait, 

792
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,240
why did I cry here? 
Why was I crying? 

793
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,080
There's nothing to cry about. 
Like it's sad, yes, but why was 

794
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,160
I crying? 
Though Oh my God, I remember. 

795
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,240
Yeah, the 1st watch is always a 
little bit more emotional to be 

796
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,120
honest. 
It's so much I'm like yeah, it's

797
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:38,320
not that deep like it is, but 
it's also not sometimes and but 

798
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,120
I still enjoyed it. 
I still love this drama. 

799
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,960
I just would not rewatch it like
for third time. 

800
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,200
I usually don't rewatch dramas 
at all, but I would definitely 

801
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040
recommend this one if you're in 
A. 

802
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,680
OK. 
So you would recommend it space?

803
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Yeah, I would to be honest, but 
only if you like to see how 

804
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,200
people from different country 
from a different country work 

805
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,560
around with mental health. 
Well, because I feel like they 

806
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,520
talked a lot about it and what's
important for Korea, right? 

807
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,280
If you don't know Korea or a 
little bit of about their 

808
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,400
culture, you will be like, what 
the fuck is that? 

809
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,400
What is this? 
It's, it's a yeah. 

810
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,120
It's so hard to watch it if 
you're someone who gets 

811
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,800
triggered easily and there's so 
many triggers that has have not 

812
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,520
been set in the beginning of an 
episode. 

813
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,960
I was like, you should, you 
should have added that. 

814
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,960
But if you're not in the right 
space in your mind, you will 

815
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,400
lose it a little bit. 
Sometimes it's way too harsh. 

816
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,400
The way they were talking. 
It triggered me sometimes like, 

817
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,840
oh, wow, people, calm down. 
We're talking about serious 

818
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,640
things here. 
We cannot say that. 

819
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,200
I get why they did that, but 
yeah I would definitely only 

820
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,920
recommend to people that can 
deal with this kind of topics. 

821
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,280
Yes, I I agree with you and I 
think that we had the same read 

822
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:08,560
on the show as a matter of fact,
and that we have the same 

823
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,040
personality. 
I think when it comes to our 

824
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,040
drama habits and the way that we
approach content. 

825
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,560
I don't rewatch dramas usually. 
It takes a lot for me to cry in 

826
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,720
a drama. 
Usually if if I cry, I just tear

827
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:31,960
up and then I consider that I 
cried, but I didn't cry. 

828
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,960
I just like got really sad and I
teared up. 

829
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,120
But it wasn't like I'm like, you
know, noses running. 

830
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,080
I need a box of tissues kind of 
crying. 

831
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,440
Almost never. 
Hardly ever. 

832
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,600
Yeah, same. 
So exactly, that's what I'm 

833
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,000
saying. 
Like we're the same. 

834
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,760
And there were a lot of moments,
especially in the front half 

835
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,800
that I thought, whoa, this would
never fly If like, I'm not a 

836
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:06,640
crisis counselor and I have no 
idea how to deal with someone 

837
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,240
who's suicidal. 
But it's it seems like this was 

838
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,200
the wrong approach. 
Like from from jump. 

839
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,760
I was like, this seems like the 
wrong way to go about trying to 

840
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,360
save somebody who's on the verge
of just killing themselves, 

841
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,800
right? 
And that like that was 

842
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,400
triggering in and of itself. 
Like I it was tough to watch as 

843
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,040
well, especially in those early 
episodes. 

844
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,120
But I think that the show was 
sort of ground breaking and it 

845
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,840
covered some topics that are 
really difficult for people to 

846
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:54,000
face and controversial topics as
well that people don't like to 

847
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,640
talk about and consume in their 
media. 

848
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,920
And I think ultimately I would 
recommend it as well. 

849
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,920
Not sure that it's rewatchable, 
but I think it's certainly has 

850
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,040
merit to watch all the way 
through at least once. 

851
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,840
Yeah. 
And I love the characters and I 

852
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,040
love the story. 
And I think I saw some 

853
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,160
complaints saying that people 
kind of they felt like, oh, 

854
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,920
there could be less time spent 
on the cases and more time spent

855
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,920
in like Jomandong and the 
underworld area with the 

856
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:31,760
characters that you've come to 
know and love, like the Rowan 

857
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,600
and, you know, The Three 
Musketeers, as I called them 

858
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,600
before. 
And I don't know if I agree with

859
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,600
that so much. 
I feel like the writing was was 

860
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,600
pretty tight and it almost felt 
like there was more content than

861
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520
they fit into 16 episodes, if 
that makes any sense. 

862
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,000
Felt like a longer show than 16 
episodes almost in a good way. 

863
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,240
Like wow, they did all this and 
it was only 16 episodes? 

864
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,400
Yeah. 
I mean, I, I also don't think 

865
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,040
that we should focus more like 
on the whole heaven. 

866
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,600
I mean, there was a religious 
aspect to it, right? 

867
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,520
We cannot ignore that it was 
really Catholic driven. 

868
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Oh, I thought it was Taoist. 
Very Taoist. 

869
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,880
For me, it was maybe because I'm
not familiar with it, but I grew

870
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,320
up Catholic, right? 
And the whole suicide is a sin 

871
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,240
is something that you learn 
right away in Catholic or in 

872
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,320
Catholic school, like church 
school, whatever. 

873
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,960
That's I grew up with that. 
So that's what people that are 

874
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,800
Catholic usually believe, that 
if you do that, I mean, you can 

875
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,360
even be buried in the Catholic 
cemetery. 

876
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,400
If you did. 
Suicide, right? 

877
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,160
And I was like, Oh, my religious
drama is calling. 

878
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,120
Wait a little bit. 
Stop it because I. 

879
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,200
I understand totally where 
you're coming from, that you're 

880
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,720
going to find a lot of 
commonalities. 

881
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,760
Like, not commonalities, but 
you're going to like, you can 

882
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,560
identify with a lot of the lore,
for lack of a better word, in 

883
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,280
the show based on where what 
you're familiar with. 

884
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,360
And you grew up Catholic, and 
the suicide thing in Catholicism

885
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,000
is is a thing. 
It really is. 

886
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,680
So when they started calling it 
like a sin and, you know, like 

887
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,280
Lee Isuhiok's character hating 
it like, so much, Yeah. 

888
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,240
Like, he's not even trying to 
understand the people. 

889
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,800
Like I was so mad at him in the 
beginning. 

890
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Right. 
Dude, can you just listen? 

891
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,960
Yeah, yeah, why don't you get 
it? 

892
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:38,520
But also all the episodes, every
time they were telling a story, 

893
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,840
I was always glad that we also 
got to understand each character

894
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,440
a little bit more. 
Like the nose picking, right? 

895
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,120
Yes, We got to understand why he
does it because I was like, can 

896
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,120
he stop? 
This is absolutely disgusting, 

897
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,640
right? 
And then you got so intact. 

898
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Yeah, every time. 
And he was touching people and 

899
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,480
like. 
Yeah. 

900
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,920
I saw that, but I loved. 
It. 

901
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,880
And just the approach sometime 
like the first episode, right, 

902
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,000
Right in the beginning, how 
Gurion starts talking to the 

903
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,000
people. 
I'm like you, you just want to 

904
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,160
push them at this point. 
Why not just push them because 

905
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,440
you guys are pushing them? 
Because I was like, oh. 

906
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,960
My gosh, it was really harsh. 
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it. 

907
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,760
I I still say that I understand 
where she was coming from and 

908
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,360
why she was doing it that way. 
But she I was like, that's too 

909
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,640
much. 
I was acting like Rowan in all 

910
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,480
episodes, like you. 
Don't do this. 

911
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,520
Rowan is the audience proxy, 
yeah. 

912
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,240
Which definitely. 
Is very easy to play because 

913
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:39,400
he's just sort of standing in 
for the audience and he is the 

914
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,480
bridge. 
Yeah, I mean, I felt like this 

915
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,680
made it a little bit easier to 
understand a few things because 

916
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,120
every time you had a question, 
sometimes you would ask it like,

917
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,920
why are we doing? 
Yeah, I'm like, oh thank God 

918
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,320
someone else because I lost now.
Yeah, I thought that coming from

919
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,040
watching so many sea dramas, 
this was very easy to 

920
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,000
understand. 
The Taoist aspect of the show, 

921
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,760
which is Who is this Jade 
Emperor? 

922
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,800
Yeah. 
Why is there this whole thing, 

923
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,680
you know, this whole hierarchy 
and who are the Grim Reapers? 

924
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,560
And the mythology of it was very
familiar. 

925
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,480
And also if you've watched older
fantasy cage dramas like Goblin,

926
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,200
for instance, this whole setup 
of the Grim Reapers, again, is 

927
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,760
very familiar. 
Yeah, you're looking at me a 

928
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,200
little bit weird. 
Why? 

929
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Let's Goblin. 
Yeah, I'm gonna finish it at 

930
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,080
some point. 
OK, you're one of those. 

931
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,760
It's fine. 
You're not gonna I know what you

932
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,760
think and you're not gonna like 
what I think. 

933
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,600
It's. 
Fine, I. 

934
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,160
Yeah, but I do love the whole 
green Reaper. 

935
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,280
Yeah, it's totally fine. 
I'm. 

936
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,280
Just referencing the grim Reaper
thing I. 

937
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,600
Don't give a shit. 
If you like the. 

938
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Show No I. 
Really. 

939
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,880
Like, yeah. 
Usually green reapers are one of

940
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,880
my favorite type of characters 
to be honest. 

941
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,080
OK. 
Just like the way they're 

942
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:05,480
portrayed sometimes I read The 
Book Thief right where you read 

943
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,160
the point of view is from death 
itself, about during the World 

944
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,160
War Two. 
So since then I've been 

945
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,480
intrigued by this kind of 
character where the Green Reaper

946
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,800
is, you know, coming to a person
and either collecting the lives 

947
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,360
and so whatsoever. 
I just like the concept of it. 

948
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,920
Like the idea. 
Maybe that's the Catholic in me 

949
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,240
talking. 
No, I like that. 

950
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:29,560
I like the death personified 
aspect of Grim Reapers, and once

951
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,640
you throw a personality on them 
and that they had former lives 

952
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,920
and that they remember them and 
stuff, it becomes really complex

953
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,080
and compelling to watch and 
that's what the show does. 

954
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:46,120
I think the the world itself 
almost reminded me of like Men 

955
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,760
in Black or like John Wick, 
where there's like this 

956
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,760
underworld that you have no idea
you're just living your life and

957
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,080
you have no idea that there's 
like a secret society fighting 

958
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,400
off aliens. 
And in this case, you have no 

959
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,720
idea that there's this unseen 
underworld that is constantly at

960
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,520
work collecting souls and 
ushering them into the 

961
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,720
afterlife. 
And they treat it as a business.

962
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:17,280
They call it the company. 
It's like corporate. 

963
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Yes. 
And the Jade Emperor is the 

964
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,280
director, and it's all like sort
of segmented. 

965
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:31,680
And in the world that Rowan's 
character is coming from Junoon,

966
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,640
he is trying to find a job, 
right? 

967
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,440
Like he's trying to enter a 
company. 

968
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,520
And I liked the fact that they 
presented it as a company. 

969
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,960
They it's sort of an interesting
concept that it's treated like a

970
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,040
business. 
I mean, I think it also made 

971
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,680
people understand it, maybe a 
little. 

972
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,320
Bit more because very 
simplistic. 

973
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,160
I mean, at that time I remember 
I was also looking for a job. 

974
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,720
I'm like, yeah, I don't know if 
I want to die and then have to 

975
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,200
work again, But I don't have a 
job right now, so maybe. 

976
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,680
That's the better choice, I 
guess. 

977
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,120
Yeah, who knows? 
Right, right, right. 

978
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,760
But I just loved it, like the 
whole suit and all the 

979
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,320
characters like the. 
The. 

980
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,000
He wasn't a twin. 
The one elderly man, Adarshi, 

981
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,880
that was always appearing like 
the same guy and then he has 

982
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,320
like he was like 8. 
What's it called? 

983
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,400
The quadruplets? 
I don't know. 

984
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,920
I. 
Know what you're talking about, 

985
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,800
but yeah, yeah. 
I just love something like, I 

986
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,240
usually love that, right? 
It was just, it was fun to 

987
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,720
imagine, like heaven. 
In this case, as a company, 

988
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,600
like, yeah, maybe it is. 
You know, well, a lot of people 

989
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,760
cannot just be hanging around 
over there, right? 

990
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,640
Just gonna chill, right, right, 
right. 

991
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,120
I liked it a lot and I think the
show worked for me largely. 

992
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,440
Yeah. 
And that the risk, they're the 

993
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,520
risk management team. 
I mean, it's just like really 

994
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,120
clever. 
I I found it really clever, but 

995
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,480
yeah, I. 
Mean, I work in corporate. 

996
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,920
I loved it. 
It was, I'm like, yeah, pretty 

997
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,000
much corporate life, just 
haven't. 

998
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,360
Corporate. 
Life just underworld and. 

999
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,520
Yeah. 
Yeah, they have like viruses and

1000
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,640
stuff that infect their system 
and they have to. 

1001
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,520
All that stuff is just like, OK,
I guess. 

1002
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,200
Sure. 
I mean, they have like a team 

1003
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,280
that, you know, the designer 
team, then a sales team now that

1004
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,440
sort of hilarious. 
I mean like, what do you mean 

1005
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,160
you're going in their dreams and
make them sign a contract? 

1006
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,800
What do you mean? 
When they're on. 

1007
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,360
Their. 
Left it's just so like 

1008
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,640
manipulative anyway, so we both 
like the show. 

1009
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,120
Probably wouldn't rewatch the 
show. 

1010
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,880
Very heavy-handed at times the 
show. 

1011
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,400
Definitely. 
OK. 

1012
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,520
Yeah, sometimes. 
Yeah, very triggering. 

1013
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:05,000
Super triggering. 
Did any of the Did you like the 

1014
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,520
pacing of the show 'cause you 
kind of said that the front half

1015
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,440
bothered you? 
Do you mean like the pacing or 

1016
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,520
just the substance of the 
stories and the way they handled

1017
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,360
the cases? 
It was more about how they 

1018
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,440
handled the cases. 
Sometimes we did get like a few 

1019
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,520
flashbacks, right? 
And I was like, OK, can we know 

1020
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,720
what we're doing now? 
Sometimes it was a bit fast. 

1021
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,120
I'm like, I don't know. 
I, I still cannot pinpoint it, 

1022
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,040
right? 
I'm like, it was right, but also

1023
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,080
maybe a little bit slower or 
faster. 

1024
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,840
Some scenes would have been 
nice, but it worked for them in 

1025
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,040
my opinion. 
It worked for their stories, the

1026
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,120
way they were trying to tell it.
I think it worked. 

1027
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,200
I think the first half of the 
show was slow to me. 

1028
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,920
Yeah. 
And it was hard to get into. 

1029
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,040
See that? 
Yeah. 

1030
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,360
Yeah. 
I, I think it was hard to get 

1031
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,800
into, even if the stories were 
good. 

1032
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,120
I was just finding myself, like,
I was like looking everywhere 

1033
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,240
above the screen, you know what 
I'm saying? 

1034
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,320
It wasn't until the later 
episodes, like episodes. 

1035
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,880
Once I got halfway through, like
episode eight, I was like, OK, 

1036
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,840
let's go look, I'm invested. 
But it took a while to get 

1037
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,600
there. 
I did see a lot of those 

1038
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,920
comments on MDL to be honest. 
Oh well, OK, enjoy reading them 

1039
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,160
sometimes for fun and. 
So do I because some of them are

1040
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,680
like really unhinged and other 
wasn't like a thesis. 

1041
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,760
Yeah, some people write way too 
much. 

1042
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,480
I'm like, it's not that deep. 
Right, right. 

1043
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,240
Anyways, I saw a few people 
saying that, but I actually do 

1044
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,360
not remember when I watched it 
for the first time. 

1045
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,560
It's been so long. 
So for me it's really hard to 

1046
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,800
say. 
Oh yeah, definitely like that 

1047
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,240
because it's my second time, so 
I already knew what I wanted to 

1048
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,600
see and what I had to expect, 
right? 

1049
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,600
Yeah. 
So maybe while I watched the 

1050
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,680
first time, I do not remember it
being too slow for me. 

1051
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,840
I can only talk from my point of
view as is. 

1052
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,120
Watching it for the second time,
just some episode was like, OK, 

1053
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,640
let's move on, We can continue 
now. 

1054
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,520
Right. 
Did you guess Guiyang's back 

1055
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,600
story at all without going into 
spoilers? 

1056
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,760
I don't want to spoil anything, 
but you did. 

1057
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,560
I did a little bit, especially 
the colors, they were very 

1058
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,520
telling. 
But there was some, like in the 

1059
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,680
beginning I was switching my 
opinions. 

1060
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,960
I was like, oh, maybe it's 
different than what I'm 

1061
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,800
thinking. 
And I was like, Oh yeah, 

1062
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,400
definitely a history. 
Interesting, interesting. 

1063
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:41,520
But I want a whole miniseries. 
She, she died during the 

1064
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,960
invasion of Chang or something. 
And I was like, oh, I know 

1065
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,200
what's going to happen. 
Because. 

1066
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,720
Especially because after coming 
off of 2023 and watching my 

1067
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:57,240
Dearest yeah, the Invasion of 
Change should just be ringing 

1068
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,840
alarm bells in all of our heads 
now. 

1069
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,880
It is such a huge moment in 
Korean history. 

1070
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,720
And she's been alive for exactly
like 400 and something years. 

1071
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,400
And I was like, we're going to 
go back there. 

1072
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,800
It's going to be a shit show. 
And sure enough, her back story 

1073
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,240
is really intense and we see 
that in It was late episode 14 

1074
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,000
was when we finally see the full
picture of everything that 

1075
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,240
happened to her and everyone 
who's related to her. 

1076
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,720
I'm really trying to like keep 
it under wraps in case someone 

1077
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,960
wants to watch tomorrow and not 
be spoiled. 

1078
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,760
So so you guessed some of it. 
We'll go into like what you 

1079
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,240
guessed in the spoiler section. 
So I wanted to kind of tease 

1080
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,400
that. 
Did you? 

1081
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,400
Were there character arcs that 
really spoke to you in the show?

1082
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:50,240
I don't think that Rowan's 
character had much of an arc 

1083
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,520
other than sort of an 
acceptance, a general acceptance

1084
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,200
arc. 
Yeah, I don't think I had like 

1085
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,280
anyone else was like, Oh yeah, 
this one. 

1086
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,760
I think I could just resonate a 
lot with parts of Rowan's 

1087
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,720
character. 
Well, I was like, yeah, the 

1088
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,640
whole job finding thing at this,
because I remember I was at 

1089
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,000
this, you know, it was COVID. 
I just finished my bachelor's 

1090
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,600
trying to find a job was 
horrible. 

1091
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,000
And I was like, yeah, I also 
have like my family that it's 

1092
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,840
not that I have to support them,
but it's a big part of me and I 

1093
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,920
was struggling to show, hey, I'm
not that fine. 

1094
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,200
It's it's a lot right now. 
So watching it, I remember being

1095
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,040
like, yeah, I, I totally get all
those people that are, you know,

1096
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,760
either working in a job they 
don't like or being accepting 

1097
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,400
thing they shouldn't accept or 
just trying to get something. 

1098
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,920
Especially like the episode with
his best friend. 

1099
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,680
Oh yeah, that was an early 
episode too. 

1100
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,600
Yeah, it, it was way earlier 
than I thought it would happen, 

1101
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,760
to be honest. 
And I was like, Oh, yeah, I get 

1102
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,200
that feeling like, you know, the
whole trying and trying and 

1103
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,880
trying and not getting where you
want to be. 

1104
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,840
I could resonate with that a 
lot. 

1105
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,960
So this was more like certain 
people had some a tiny bad I 

1106
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,960
could resonate with. 
Right, Right. 

1107
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,960
Usually, yeah. 
Did you have anyone I. 

1108
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:20,520
Think I really loved the later 
episodes, and this has nothing 

1109
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,560
to do with me resonating like 
me. 

1110
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,240
It's me empathizing, not me 
sympathizing because I'm not a 

1111
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,240
mother. 
But like, the motherhood thing 

1112
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,560
in the later episode, yeah, I 
was like on the floor, laid up. 

1113
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:40,360
I was wrecked. 
And so that's Ryongu's stuff. 

1114
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,920
Like his Oh yeah stuff. 
Oh my God, I was wrecked. 

1115
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,920
Wrecked toe up I feel like. 
Tomorrow had a lot talking about

1116
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,360
women in society. 
Absolutely. 

1117
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,120
And that's what I. 
Liked. 

1118
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,160
About it. 
Yeah, I loved it. 

1119
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,360
Like, there was a lot of focus 
on how women are treated in 

1120
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,320
society in general. 
And I really love that aspect, 

1121
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,080
to be honest. 
It was like, yeah, open people's

1122
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,400
eyes, please. 
Yeah. 

1123
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Yeah, so just a lot of episodes 
were really good. 

1124
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,520
And then I think when they 
started intertwining some stuff 

1125
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,960
for the characters, I was like, 
Oh my God, this is great. 

1126
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,560
I love the strength from Guriong
and how she's just sort of like 

1127
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:31,960
a battering ram of a person in 
her episode 14 back story 

1128
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,640
flashback sequence, if you will,
is takes over the entire episode

1129
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:41,400
is literally the whole episode 
and it's stunning. 

1130
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,400
Like I thought that besides the 
production value being really 

1131
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,920
high, I thought that some of 
these sequences that they had 

1132
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,000
were really impressive and 
historically accurate. 

1133
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:01,200
I don't know much about how his 
credit is, but I love that. 

1134
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,560
Like, what I especially loved is
that they did not just, you 

1135
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,600
know, show the whole story 
through 16 episode, but they 

1136
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,920
made sure that each character 
got their own episode. 

1137
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,320
Like Ingu is it, what's his name
again? 

1138
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,520
Nose picking guy. 
Yeah, right. 

1139
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,680
So he got his episode so we 
could properly focus on his 

1140
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,920
story without focusing too much 
on other things. 

1141
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,200
And then we got her story also 
in one episode, because I think 

1142
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,520
it would not have been fair to 
tell her story just through tiny

1143
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,080
bits and bits. 
And then you have to put it 

1144
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,640
yourself together. 
You were like, no, you got to 

1145
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,000
see what happened to understand.
And then making him also see it.

1146
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,520
It's so hard to not tell what's 
so hard. 

1147
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,480
I love that. 
Like, I feel like I wouldn't 

1148
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,440
have liked it that much if I had
to guess. 

1149
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,040
Put it all together like a 
puzzle. 

1150
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,400
Like you got hints but then you 
still got everything in one 

1151
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,520
episode. 
Right, I I agree with that and 

1152
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,720
that'll contributes to me 
feeling the pacing is pretty 

1153
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,080
good for the whole show and that
they covered so much in almost 

1154
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,040
so little time. 
They could have cut it down. 

1155
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,720
Like obviously they can always 
cut out stuff and it'd be fine. 

1156
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,560
They could have made it a 12 
episode show, but I feel like 16

1157
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,920
is fair. 
Really fair. 

1158
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:24,680
And I mean we have K dramas with
16 episodes almost like a whole 

1159
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,080
movie and they tell us nothing. 
Oh, and I think each episode was

1160
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,120
like one hour, right? 
Yes, one hour. 

1161
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,400
And I'm like, yeah, that was 
perfect. 

1162
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,320
It was not too long. 
You still got kinda like for me,

1163
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,720
it was not too long. 
I agree. 

1164
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,120
But and yeah, so because if it 
was like 16 episodes, 1 1/2 hour

1165
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,280
long, been 10. 
So I'm looking at you. 

1166
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,520
Oh my God, call it out. 
You don't have that much to 

1167
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:50,160
tell. 
Call it out. 

1168
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,680
You don't have to that much to 
tell. 

1169
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,480
Like I'm a Yappa and I would be 
done after one hour. 

1170
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,000
So please. 
Yeah. 

1171
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,480
So that they did great. 
I was really happy with that. 

1172
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,440
Yeah. 
So yeah, all of their arcs are 

1173
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,200
really good. 
Like the main three, their arcs 

1174
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,960
are really good. 
And it's, you know, about facing

1175
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:14,760
the traumas of your past and 
overcoming your own 

1176
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:22,440
insecurities, your own, you 
know, things that hurt you and 

1177
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:29,040
regret your own regrets and 
moving forward from a place of 

1178
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:36,240
acceptance and love and not from
a, a place of hate or what's it 

1179
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,320
called when you just try and 
like, well, ignore it, like a 

1180
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,680
place of just ignoring it, like 
shutting it down. 

1181
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,160
I don't know. 
No, totally. 

1182
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,120
I feel like it's also a lot 
about taking, taking a life and 

1183
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,280
just be like I'm in charge and 
I'm going to get through it. 

1184
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:57,280
Yes, yes, very powerful stories.
And again, we have totally not 

1185
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,960
gone into detail about anything 
in the show. 

1186
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,000
We have sidestepped every 
spoiler we could. 

1187
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:09,240
At this point. 
I'm trying to think of what else

1188
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,720
we could talk about. 
Yeah, no, I don't think we could

1189
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,120
talk about anything else. 
Like, besides giving our ratings

1190
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,000
at this point and getting into 
the spoiler section. 

1191
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,640
So, Pam, what would you rate the
show out of five Sochi bottles? 

1192
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,479
Oh, I remember my first watch 
was a 10 out of 10. 

1193
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:37,760
Yeah, I'm, I would say 4.5 out 
of 10 or out of five. 

1194
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:38,399
Right. 
OK. 

1195
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,080
It's not a five out of five, I 
would say, but a 4.5, it's 

1196
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,359
pretty high for me, yeah. 
Same. 

1197
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:47,439
Yeah. 
What are your rating? 

1198
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,960
No, no, it's the same. 
Like we're, we're the same 

1199
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,560
because I think it's a four and 
a half out of five. 

1200
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,680
It's very close to A5, but I 
think because it's not 

1201
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:04,560
rewatchable that hinders it 
being a five out of five show. 

1202
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,680
Yeah, totally. 
But I was thinking about it 

1203
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,840
before we started kind of like I
cannot make it a five out of 

1204
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,000
five. 
I just yeah, doesn't work right.

1205
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:20,840
Right, so 4 1/2 hold your 
bottles at 5 for me too. 

1206
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:24,840
And with that, we are going to 
break for spoilers. 

1207
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,680
If you want to be spoiled, keep 
listening. 

1208
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,200
If not, stop here and come back 
after you finished watching 

1209
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,080
tomorrow. 
Excuse me, I can't. 

1210
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,359
Turn. 
I can't turn, you know. 

1211
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,439
I am not Oh. 
Sorry, swear. 

1212
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,479
This crossing shit. 
What? 

1213
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,560
All right, we're on the other 
side of spoilers, guys. 

1214
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:53,520
So we're going to talk through 
the show and all of the really 

1215
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:58,160
triggering aspects about it in 
more detail. 

1216
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:04,560
So Pam, you said that you 
guessed about Rion's back story.

1217
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,680
What exactly did you guess about
it? 

1218
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,720
Did you guess? 
Correctly about it. 

1219
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,840
I think that I was really 
focused on these two. 

1220
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,280
I was like, OK, something 
definitely happened and shit. 

1221
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:19,600
Went down between her and Joseph
like 100%. 

1222
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,960
And I'm like, OK, he doesn't 
remember, She does. 

1223
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,240
She definitely killed herself 
with, especially when we saw the

1224
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,200
red string for the first time. 
Like oh the whole red it. 

1225
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,880
Was like an episode string thing
one or two that they showed the 

1226
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,080
red string on her wrist. 
And I was like, oh, that's it, 

1227
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,280
this is important. 
Yeah, so for those who. 

1228
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,160
Don't know, OK. 
This is part of the lore and 

1229
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:44,000
also just Korean mythology, 
right? 

1230
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,760
It's just this red string of 
fate. 

1231
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,120
It's also in a lot of sea 
dramas, right? 

1232
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,600
Like it's part of like, just 
this lore. 

1233
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,880
Whole Asia, it's kind of right. 
Like the red string of fate is a

1234
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,640
thing. 
Yeah, You know what? 

1235
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,920
I'm gonna look it up. 
What? 

1236
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:02,320
Red string of fate? 
Yeah, red string. 

1237
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,160
Oh, also the red string of 
marriage. 

1238
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,160
Yeah. 
East Asian belief originating 

1239
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,560
from Chinese mythology, commonly
thought of as an invisible red 

1240
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,120
cord around the finger of those 
who are destined to meet one 

1241
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,080
another in a certain situation 
as their one true love. 

1242
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,680
So she has the red string of 
fate tied around her wrist and 

1243
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,120
we're like something the fuck is
up with her red string of fate? 

1244
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,440
Like who was supposed to be on 
the other end of the string? 

1245
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,240
I mean, when you first watch 
that, right, and he gets 

1246
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,520
introduced the first time, 
you're like, OK, it's him, he's 

1247
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,000
the one. 
He is the one. 

1248
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,080
Right for me and for her, yes, 
but yeah. 

1249
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,960
But I feel like you could always
sense that she kind of knew 

1250
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,960
something and he didn't. 
But his his aura was always 

1251
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,600
different. 
It was pure hate about her being

1252
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,240
from hell, right? 
Her mission and her mission. 

1253
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,480
And I was like, every time they 
interact, I'm like, OK, they 

1254
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,720
know each other, but she knows 
more than him. 

1255
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,600
Like he has no idea that she has
like the whole back story So and

1256
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,440
every time she was always 
talking to our Jaden Perot. 

1257
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:13,840
I was like, OK, they both know 
something and he was definitely 

1258
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,520
with her at some point in their 
life. 

1259
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,320
I just could not tell if it was 
like just his past life or his 

1260
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,240
past past life. 
How many lives did this guy 

1261
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:21,920
live? 
To. 

1262
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,280
Lose her. 
And sometimes at some point, it 

1263
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,760
was like, hey, May. 
Did. 

1264
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,080
He make her kind of kill. 
Herself, I'm like. 

1265
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,160
No, it doesn't make sense 
because she was still kind of, 

1266
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:39,400
she wasn't in love, but you 
could feel some something I love

1267
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,600
when they were on screen 
together. 

1268
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,400
So I think I just guessed really
that it was definitely him and 

1269
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,600
definitely the suicide thing. 
And then she cannot be with him 

1270
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:48,480
together. 
Yeah. 

1271
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:49,600
Anymore. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1272
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,080
Because part of this lore that 
they've established, this is I 

1273
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:02,440
think specific to the show, is 
that victims of suicide, because

1274
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:07,920
they commit suicide, they are 
punished cosmically by their red

1275
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,480
string of fate being broken, 
this link being severed. 

1276
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,920
And so hers was severed. 
And you're like, this is what's 

1277
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,720
happened. 
So you get the broad strokes. 

1278
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,560
I so we both guess the same 
exact thing, by the way, like 

1279
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,920
these broad strokes of like it's
him. 

1280
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:28,760
He's the the the red string guy 
for her and she committed 

1281
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,760
suicide in her past life. 
Something the fuck happened 

1282
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,040
between them? 
Like there's some drama that we 

1283
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,920
don't know what happened that 
made her commit suicide. 

1284
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,000
Yeah, I was first I thought that
it was him, right? 

1285
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,640
That he kind of said that 
whatever. 

1286
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:50,080
Because you, the first thing you
see at this kind of her on the 

1287
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,960
street walking and then talking 
to him like this is what you 

1288
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,080
wanted to do. 
You put down your sword. 

1289
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,360
Yeah, right. 
Put down your sword. 

1290
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,960
I'm like, OK, what the hell did 
he? 

1291
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:59,720
Do. 
You're like. 

1292
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:00,840
What is this? 
Yeah. 

1293
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,440
Yeah, boy, I like you, but why 
are you killing people? 

1294
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,120
Right. 
So you're like, oh, what's up? 

1295
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,080
Why is he killing people on the 
street? 

1296
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:11,560
She's mad. 
Why is she mad? 

1297
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,280
Why was she there? 
Right, she's just in the. 

1298
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,360
Street. 
In the evening like so, lots of 

1299
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,400
questions, very few answers. 
We don't get answers until 

1300
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,800
episode 14 when the Jade Emperor
finally tells Row wound the 

1301
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:27,880
whole back. 
Story. 

1302
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,840
And this extended flashback 
sequence of the invasion of 

1303
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,640
Chang, their whole meeting, 
their meet cue and everything in

1304
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,000
the woods. 
I was riveted. 

1305
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,640
I was like, this could be AK 
drama all on its own. 

1306
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:42,200
Oh my God, I wrote that down. 
I'm like, I want that as AK 

1307
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,280
drama. 
I need to see that on screen. 

1308
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,560
Just the two of them. 
It was super cute. 

1309
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,800
Yeah. 
Made done like it was done so 

1310
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,240
well. 
I fell in love. 

1311
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,160
Yeah, it was done really well. 
And this is what I mean by this 

1312
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,440
was very historically accurate 
because this whole invasion, the

1313
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:02,240
way that the Ching are dressed, 
the sequence of events, and 

1314
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,320
obviously this basically mini 
Saguk that's in the middle of 

1315
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:13,000
the show, extremely well done. 
And it's accurate, you know, 

1316
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,800
pretty accurate. 
Obviously, the specifics of what

1317
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,520
happened to her, like there's no
way to know if this happened to 

1318
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,560
this noble woman back in the 
day. 

1319
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,760
But yeah, in the 1600s, there 
was an invasion of Cheng and it 

1320
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,000
completely obliterated Korea. 
It messed with the politics. 

1321
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,960
And if you watch My Dearest, 
that goes into way more detail 

1322
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,560
about what happened during this 
invasion. 

1323
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,200
Oh, that's super. 
Interesting. 

1324
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,560
Yeah, and it's super, super 
interesting. 

1325
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:50,320
And episode 14 comes on the hit 
with the back story and the 

1326
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,920
connection between the comfort 
women that were that story that 

1327
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:00,320
happened in the episode prior. 
Episode 13, that connection 

1328
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,600
becomes way more apparent. 
Like why did they do the comfort

1329
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,000
women episode, the cat that 
case, and then immediately they 

1330
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:13,080
do her back story in episode 14?
It's because she was also a 

1331
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,400
victim of this Ching invasion 
and was captured. 

1332
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:21,240
Just like the comfort women were
ripped from their homes or 

1333
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,480
hoodwinked into being sex slaves
and this is a real thing. 

1334
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:32,560
Both of these things are true, 
like history and the prevailing 

1335
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,720
Confucian belief at the time. 
In the 1600s, that belief system

1336
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:41,720
created a hostile environment 
for survivors who actually 

1337
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,080
managed to return to Charleston,
Korea, after experiencing 

1338
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,240
slavery and sexual assault at 
the hands of the invading Qing. 

1339
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,240
And so she even though in 
tomorrow Ryong doesn't 

1340
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:59,240
experience sexual so she wasn't 
raped, it doesn't matter. 

1341
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,080
Like it if you watch my dearest,
it goes into way more detail but

1342
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,960
like it doesn't matter. 
It's just the fact that she was 

1343
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,800
taken. 
There's no way to know for sure 

1344
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,440
if she wasn't raped or whatever.
Like it's literally the worst 

1345
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,280
raging case of victim blaming 
that you've ever seen. 

1346
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,320
And it's real. 
It happened. 

1347
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,760
It's so crazy. 
I mean especially the 

1348
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,680
mother-in-law like. 
She Oh my God, I. 

1349
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,480
Always hate the evil 
mother-in-law. 

1350
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,680
I was like, girl, what do you 
mean? 

1351
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,640
Please stop Every time she was 
on screen, like, Oh no, I can't 

1352
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,000
do this anymore because I hate 
like the evilest mother-in-law 

1353
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,000
is always stop it. 
I mean, I I know that's probably

1354
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,440
definitely what happened with 
this kind of woman, right? 

1355
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:44,520
They always think about the 
owner, especially when they have

1356
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,120
a son, you know? 
But still. 

1357
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:52,400
Like, the way that she talked to
a lovely badass girl that saved 

1358
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,320
everyone at like, in the story 
at least. 

1359
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,600
Like, that's not how we do it. 
You should be helping her and 

1360
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,840
the whole, yeah, society judging
them just for surviving. 

1361
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,000
Horrible. 
It's the. 

1362
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,160
Same thing that happened to the 
comfort women in episode 13. 

1363
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,520
So I found that really fitting, 
powerful. 

1364
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,000
The parallels were there. 
And the fuck that mother-in-law,

1365
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,800
That mother-in-law, what did she
say? 

1366
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,320
There's a quote here that I have
from her. 

1367
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,080
Is your life worth more than the
honor of this family? 

1368
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,880
Oh yeah. 
And I was like, abso fucking 

1369
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,080
lutely. 
It is like fuck this family. 

1370
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:29,800
Person. 
What do you mean obviously? 

1371
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,120
Excuse. 
Me, I'm here. 

1372
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,160
Yes, it's more. 
Uh huh, uh huh. 

1373
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:40,320
She was instigating her to 
commit suicide and the the scene

1374
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,120
of her losing her maid and stuff
to the they literally stoned her

1375
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,760
to death. 
They would have stoned, Yeah. 

1376
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,000
What's it Red, Big red to death.
But. 

1377
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,800
But there's also like another 
biblical thing, because you 

1378
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:54,800
know, you have. 
Stop. 

1379
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,280
Yes. 
I was like, yes. 

1380
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,920
Yeah, so I was like, Oh my God. 
Yeah, totally. 

1381
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,120
You know, people sin. 
And then someone, you know, 

1382
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,440
what's the quote again? 
If you have sinned, throw the 

1383
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,920
first stone away. 
Yeah, he has. 

1384
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,400
No sin. 
Something like that. 

1385
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,200
Stone Yeah. 
So I'm like, Oh my God, yeah, I 

1386
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,760
know that story. 
And people will always judge 1st

1387
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,600
and before even looking in the 
mirror. 

1388
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,200
Absolutely. 
Oh. 

1389
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,920
It's like society, like it's 
still up until now, right? 

1390
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,320
Like people will judge and say 
whatever, especially on the 

1391
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:27,240
Internet. 
Yeah. 

1392
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,080
So I'm like, yeah, people will 
always throw the first stone, 

1393
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,480
doesn't matter if they're in a 
sun or not. 

1394
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:35,280
But oh. 
My God, you're absolutely right 

1395
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:42,880
with the biblical tie in. 
Yeah, with the stoning of the 

1396
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,320
the two women and then the maid 
dies protecting her. 

1397
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,160
She like covers her body with 
like, Oh my God, I was really 

1398
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,280
affected by that. 
I didn't cry, but I was just 

1399
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,040
like, Oh my God. 
It was very emotional. 

1400
01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:02,920
And to see her sort of be strong
during the invasion and see her.

1401
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:06,520
Say we have to survive, We'll 
we'll get back, you know, very 

1402
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,560
staying very positive, you know,
throughout the whole thing, had 

1403
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,520
that survivor mentality 
throughout the whole ordeal and 

1404
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,800
then finally get back and it's 
when she's get, she's back home.

1405
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,960
That's what breaks her. 
Yeah. 

1406
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,000
Like that's what breaks her. 
Spirit. 

1407
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,320
Yeah, I mean, totally 
understandable. 

1408
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:30,320
Imagine surviving this kind of 
thing, so helping others survive

1409
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,920
as well. 
And then you get home and be 

1410
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,840
like, Oh no, you're not you. 
Should have done having people 

1411
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,800
just survive fingers at you and 
say you're to blame, you're at 

1412
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,840
fault and you should have died. 
Yeah, why did? 

1413
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,520
You come back. 
I mean, this episode, like my 

1414
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,400
rage was so high. 
I was like, Oh my God, I cannot 

1415
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,760
deal with it because I get 
really angry at sometime when I 

1416
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,680
feel like something is not fair.
Yes, I get so angry I have to 

1417
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,120
pause. 
Pam, we're the same. 

1418
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,080
I was like, it's just a serious 
calm down. 

1419
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,560
Yes, my anger issues cannot 
handle it because I just can't 

1420
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,040
see myself losing my shit. 
And I'm like, no, you're not 

1421
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,080
talking to people like that. 
Not to me. 

1422
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:10,520
Couldn't be. 
Survived. 

1423
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,520
I helped all these girls here. 
No. 

1424
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,160
You couldn't even have kids if 
you didn't come back. 

1425
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:16,120
What you talking about? 
Oh. 

1426
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,560
My God. 
And the fact that he actually, 

1427
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:25,800
you know, her husband, Junky 
actually loved her and supported

1428
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:30,000
her through this and wanted to 
continue their marriage, He 

1429
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,520
didn't blame her at all. 
He was like on her side 

1430
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:37,560
completely. 
That was also so like. 

1431
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,840
Impactful. 
I think it shows how much they 

1432
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,600
loved it. 
I loved it because we get to 

1433
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,680
know how they met for the first 
time and it was super cute. 

1434
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,640
Like you still get this whole he
is always a angry type of guy 

1435
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,120
thinking he is always so right, 
you know, and righteous. 

1436
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,040
And then she's like, chill, 
there are poor people here now, 

1437
01:21:55,200 --> 01:22:00,120
so please share a little bit. 
And yeah, I love that. 

1438
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,640
I love the whole dynamic. 
They were super cute together. 

1439
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,640
But I also feel like at some 
point, you realize that he could

1440
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,120
not understand her point of 
view. 

1441
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,640
He was struggling. 
He wanted to help, but he didn't

1442
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,160
know how even. 
Yeah, like, he told his mom, no,

1443
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:17,400
I'm still being with her. 
But he still couldn't understand

1444
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,760
why it was so bad for her to 
continue living like that, 

1445
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,040
because she didn't want to hurt 
him and she was suffering so 

1446
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,920
much. 
But he just couldn't understand.

1447
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,520
It was not his point of view. 
Like he just couldn't. 

1448
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,640
Oh, it's so tough. 
It was so tough. 

1449
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,960
So that episodes really stood 
out to me. 

1450
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,640
Episode 14 when they finally 
reveal like what the hell is 

1451
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,880
this mysterious connection that 
these two have? 

1452
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,920
It broke my heart it. 
Totally broke my heart. 

1453
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,600
Yeah. 
And it was, I think it was 

1454
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,280
fitting because you've seen all 
of these stories that are so 

1455
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:57,680
horrendous. 
They are so undeniably sad and 

1456
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:06,000
just impactful and. 
I feel like each story. 

1457
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,160
Was transporting. 
It was heartbreaking. 

1458
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,400
Each story was just so 
transporting and you're like, 

1459
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:15,080
OK, what if if they are teasing 
this whole thing throughout, 

1460
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,760
Like what is this mysterious 
connection that has like fucked 

1461
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,120
them both over even in the 
afterlife, even as they are 

1462
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,160
reapers? 
What could it possibly be? 

1463
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,160
It's pretty bad. 
Like once you finally see it in 

1464
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:29,920
episode 14, you're like, it's 
pretty bad. 

1465
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,120
Like I can see. 
It is bad. 

1466
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,680
Why? 
It went down the way it did. 

1467
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:43,640
And why she is so compassionate 
toward those who are thinking of

1468
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,560
committing suicide and suicide 
victims. 

1469
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:53,080
And why he is so hateful toward 
suicide victims. 

1470
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,800
I mean, I think in the beginning
he was just really hateful 

1471
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,560
because it's a sin, it's not 
good. 

1472
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,040
And then he when he finally 
understood what happened between

1473
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,640
them. 
He. 

1474
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,520
You could even like, if you 
remember when he was supposed to

1475
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,800
be punished right by, I call him
Mr. Johnny Depp because he 

1476
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:18,440
looked like Johnny Depp. 
And then he's on his knees and 

1477
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:21,600
she comes to talk to him. 
And it's like, you can feel 

1478
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,600
that's not love between them, 
right? 

1479
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,400
It's something, but it's not 
love the way it was before. 

1480
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:32,160
It's very hard to play it like 
this where it's not love, it's 

1481
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,560
what is it. 
I could feel I was like, I 

1482
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,160
understand what that is. 
I cannot name it, but I get it. 

1483
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,200
And you could finally see him 
understanding why she does what 

1484
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,680
she does and why she also did 
what she did. 

1485
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,640
What happened to her. 
It was his own way to say I'm 

1486
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,040
sorry that I could not 
understand you at that time. 

1487
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,360
Right. 
It was super beautifully done by

1488
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,240
them. 
Like this was such a great 

1489
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,200
acting. 
Yes, yeah. 

1490
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,680
I can't even name what it is the
emotion that they are conveying.

1491
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,760
Yeah, I was. 
I remember watching like, I know

1492
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,680
it's not love, even though I 
wish they could be together 

1493
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,320
again. 
I would die for that. 

1494
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:12,960
I. 
Know but it's just they're not 

1495
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,960
like romantic it's not romantic 
love it's. 

1496
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,160
But it's also not friendship at 
that moment, right? 

1497
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,080
It's it was just an 
understanding of each other at 

1498
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,520
that point. 
She was just like, thank you 

1499
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,000
that you finally get it. 
Yeah. 

1500
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,800
Took you a few years, but. 
Took you. 

1501
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,680
I don't know. 
You got it, though. 400, Yeah. 

1502
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,840
Some odd years, but glad we're 
here. 

1503
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,280
If you're incarnations, a few. 
Glad we're working together, 

1504
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,320
yeah. 
Maybe it's just closure. 

1505
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,600
Yeah, it's like the way that if 
you have like a an ex and you 

1506
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,320
don't, you kind of never got to 
talk about what happened and 

1507
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,120
then you finally have to talk. 
You may not hate each other as 

1508
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,600
much as before, but you have an 
understanding of. 

1509
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,920
Yes. 
Closure, right? 

1510
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:57,920
Yeah, it was. 
I love that. 

1511
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,000
And the way that he smiled and 
everything. 

1512
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,520
He was like a tiny bit of 
smiles, like OK, final. 

1513
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:09,040
Episode so I really like that 
episode a lot the one that came 

1514
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,120
before it broke me. 
This was one that I was like 

1515
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:16,480
crying, Like I had literal tears
running down my face. 

1516
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,720
I was all congested. 
It was a real I, It was a really

1517
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:21,720
cry. 
It was legitimate. 

1518
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:23,800
It was the comfort women 
episode. 

1519
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:24,880
So oh. 
Yeah. 

1520
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:28,720
No, this one like broke me into 
little itty bitty pieces. 

1521
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,120
I don't know how you felt about 
this one, but I was like, Oh my 

1522
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,680
God. 
So I already said for those who 

1523
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,520
don't know and kind of need a 
little bit of context. 

1524
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,200
So for comfort women, were women
and girls forced into sex 

1525
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:50,320
slavery by the Imperial Japanese
armed forces in occupied 

1526
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,640
countries and territories before
and during World War Two. 

1527
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,440
And the numbers on this are 
wild. 

1528
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:03,520
They estimate that there's it 
could be 10s of thousands, as 

1529
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:11,040
much as 200,000 girls that were 
forced into beings, comfort 

1530
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:15,760
women. 
And the statue that they feature

1531
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,880
in the show is called the Statue
of Peace. 

1532
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:23,360
It's a monument in front of the 
Japanese embassy in Seoul. 

1533
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,840
It faces the embassy. 
And that's featured a few times 

1534
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,440
in the episode as well, which I 
thought was a great touch. 

1535
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:36,920
That statue is such a symbol of 
the plight of the comfort women.

1536
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,080
And it's not just Korean women 
that were taken into the sex 

1537
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:45,040
slavery during this time period,
but it was a majority comfort 

1538
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:51,720
women were Korean. 
This statue is such a symbol 

1539
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,360
that they've erected more like 
throughout the world, like it 

1540
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,120
just popped. 
People put them everywhere. 

1541
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,320
The one that's in front of the 
Japanese embassy in Seoul, 

1542
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:06,160
though, is a topic. 
The Japanese hate that one. 

1543
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:12,960
Of course they do. 
Yeah, Japan loves to not talk 

1544
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,680
about its history, for lack of a
better word, putting it mildly. 

1545
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,480
They love to not talk about the 
crimes against humanity that 

1546
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,680
they have committed. 
And this is one of them that it 

1547
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:29,080
took many, many years for them 
to even acknowledge any 

1548
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:33,040
wrongdoing about the comfort 
women. 

1549
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:37,640
And I think in 2015, because the
statue was erected, I think in 

1550
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,920
2011, in 2015, they came to some
agreement with the Korean 

1551
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,360
government that they were like, 
look, we'll send money. 

1552
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:50,600
We'll give money as reparations 
to the comfort women or in some 

1553
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,440
sort of fund, right, for the 
comfort women. 

1554
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,840
And we'll say sorry, and you'll 
get rid of the statue. 

1555
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,160
And the Koreans were like, bet 
never got rid of the statue. 

1556
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,080
They were. 
Like, yeah, fuck you. 

1557
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:08,800
Then never. 
I don't think there was an 

1558
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,680
official even agreement from the
Korean government to get rid of 

1559
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,800
the statue, but it was, I don't 
know where the Japanese, this is

1560
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,320
all what the Japanese government
is saying they agreed to. 

1561
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,440
But the Koreans are like, yeah, 
never, never agreed to get rid 

1562
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:24,920
of the statue, but thanks for 
the money. 

1563
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,640
Involved. 
And so it's been up in the air. 

1564
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,960
The Japanese were like, yeah, 
we're not going to send the 

1565
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:35,760
money anymore. 
And I think they removed a 

1566
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,480
couple of their diplomats from 
the ambassadors, from the 

1567
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:41,600
embassy. 
It is like, you know, a little 

1568
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,800
temper tantrum. 
Yeah, over. 

1569
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:51,360
The comfort women's statue that 
stands outside their embassy, so

1570
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,400
I love that they included it in 
the show. 

1571
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,800
Yeah, it's, I mean, when I was 
watching this episode before, I 

1572
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,520
didn't know that too much about 
comfort for women, right? 

1573
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:05,360
I used to read a lot of 
historical books and stuff, but 

1574
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,800
I'd never knew a lot about what 
happened between Korea and 

1575
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,560
Japan. 
And when I first watched this 

1576
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,520
episode, I was like, oh, I need 
to know a little bit more. 

1577
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,280
And so I read a little bit into 
it. 

1578
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,840
I'm like, Oh my God, this is 
absolutely horrific. 

1579
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,560
What the what the fuck is what 
kind of behavior? 

1580
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,920
It's just absolutely insane. 
And then what I loved about this

1581
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,400
abstract is how many times they 
mentioned we never got an 

1582
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,960
apology. 
So, so many times. 

1583
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,640
I think it was the dying girl 
woman at this point. 

1584
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,360
She said I cannot die until I 
made sure that everybody knows 

1585
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,240
what happened, that we were not,
it was not our fault we were 

1586
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,840
forced to to do this and that we
get an apology. 

1587
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,360
I still have get goose 
goosebumps, to be honest every 

1588
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,400
time I talk about it because for
me, this episode was super 

1589
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,520
impactful. 
She was really every time we 

1590
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,120
like we never got an apology. 
I cannot die now because I need 

1591
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:07,760
to get this apology so all of us
can rest in peace. 

1592
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,520
Right. 
I have to do this on behalf of 

1593
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,200
all the other girls. 
Yeah. 

1594
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:16,840
And that, I mean, I've already, 
I'm not that far removed from 

1595
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:21,480
the episode. 
And that line that you're 

1596
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:26,640
referring to is very powerful. 
It was uttered by Kim Yong UN, 

1597
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:31,640
the great Kim Yong UN. 
She played that character of 

1598
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,480
Chong Moon in. 
She was on her deathbed and she 

1599
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:37,240
was the like one of the comfort 
women that was. 

1600
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:43,440
They had a strange connection 
and with Buk Bukwe Bukhe. 

1601
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,680
Yeah, Yeah. 
Who was afraid that she was to 

1602
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,600
blame for sending her friend to 
be a comfort woman because they.

1603
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,640
It was this whole nefarious 
thing. 

1604
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,440
Like, they would put these ads 
in the papers and say, oh, you 

1605
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:58,960
know, come and work at this 
factory, blah, blah, blah. 

1606
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,960
And these girls would show up 
and it would it, they'd be put 

1607
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,120
to work as sex slaves. 
So she was afraid that she 

1608
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,760
basically sent her off, like, 
without her knowing that this 

1609
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,440
was a, A trick. 
Yeah. 

1610
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:16,680
I mean, she was a little girl. 
How was she? 

1611
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,440
Supposed, how was she to know? 
She just want to help her 

1612
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,160
friend. 
She broke my heart when she said

1613
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:21,600
it. 
I wanted. 

1614
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,440
To help her. 
Oh my God. 

1615
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:28,200
So again, this whole episode was
me. 

1616
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,280
I mean, I was red, I was 
sweating, I was crying, 

1617
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,520
completely wrecked me. 
And I was at the when they said 

1618
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:43,160
the ending of the episode was 
when Kim Yong UN's character, 

1619
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:49,640
the former comfort woman, dies. 
And she is saying she this 

1620
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:55,120
friend, like the one that died 
saving them, would not blame her

1621
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:57,560
that she. 
Would give her. 

1622
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,080
A hug if she could. 
And that I'm not going to stop 

1623
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,920
advocating for us and demanding 
an apology from Japan. 

1624
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,760
Flood of tears flood. 
I'm talking about waterworks. 

1625
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,320
And when I like you, kind of 
knew who was who the. 

1626
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,400
Reaper. 
That's this Reaper that was in 

1627
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,480
now in the mix and I was like, 
who's this new Reaper? 

1628
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,320
Listen, hit me like a ton of 
bricks. 

1629
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,880
Yeah, when she revealed that 
that was that's the the one that

1630
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:29,600
died, the the friend that died 
saving them is that this group 

1631
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:35,200
of of girls escaped. 
Yeah, and Oh my God, no, I was 

1632
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,600
done. 
I was done just. 

1633
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,760
Too much people. 
Well, what you're doing to me. 

1634
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,200
So many tears I can't even see 
anymore. 

1635
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,400
I don't even have like coherent 
notes I just have here an all 

1636
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,760
caps then the blonde Reaper 
being the friend Unique crying. 

1637
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:54,040
OMG no. 
I no, no. 

1638
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,760
Yeah, I think I wrote, this will
always make me emotional. 

1639
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,720
It's so heartbreaking. 
And it did it again. 

1640
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,400
It's heartbreaking working it 
for the second time. 

1641
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,440
I know what happens. 
I know who is who. 

1642
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:07,000
I know what's going. 
You know, I'm like, yeah, still 

1643
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:08,400
crying. 
Here we go again. 

1644
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,480
It's just really well done. 
The only thing that I didn't 

1645
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:16,520
like was that Rowan was like a 
freedom fight. 

1646
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,080
Yeah. 
I also was like this is way to 

1647
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,840
run our people. 
I'm like crying and crying and 

1648
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,400
then they reveal she's keep me 
on No ghost. 

1649
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,880
You look so familiar. 
And then like thrown back into 

1650
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,160
the flashback of Roman being the
freedom. 

1651
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:31,720
Fighter and. 
I was like. 

1652
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:32,600
Fuck you. 
Say. 

1653
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,800
I'm literally wiping away tears 
and like sniffles and be. 

1654
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,240
Like why? 
Why is this? 

1655
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,440
Like fuck out of here bro, 
especially after my sister 

1656
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:47,160
going. 
He has, he's had too much work 

1657
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,720
done. 
Like yeah, no, like Rowan is a 

1658
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,040
freedom fighter in 1944. 
Get the fuck out of here. 

1659
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,520
Like. 
For real, come on. 

1660
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,400
No, it was my thought, I said 
because, like, yeah. 

1661
01:34:59,960 --> 01:35:02,720
I know that caterer must love to
connect everybody and everyone 

1662
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,080
and their Mama. 
Yeah, but can we stop Now Was 

1663
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:06,640
enough. 
I thought the yeah. 

1664
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,440
This was perfect. 
Yeah, Rowan was too much. 

1665
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,360
But I always I thought already 
that something that has would 

1666
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,920
have happened because, you know,
the gentleman was like, oh, 

1667
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:19,600
Rowan needs to go escort her or 
help her, whatever. 

1668
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,960
I'm like, Oh no, please don't do
this. 

1669
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,760
Yeah, she kept saying. 
That how many lives? 

1670
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,400
Anyways, yeah, this was the only
thing I was like no, no. 

1671
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:32,880
It took me out like it took me 
out. 

1672
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,440
Yeah, totally too much. 
Lovely. 

1673
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:37,440
Yeah. 
Didn't. 

1674
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:42,800
Like it didn't like that. 
Episode 12, the one before that,

1675
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:46,280
I'm going backwards in the show,
but episode 12, that was the 

1676
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:47,560
other. 
This is when the waterworks 

1677
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:52,320
started. 
Yeah, 'cause this was Ryongu's 

1678
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:56,240
episode where his mom. 
Oh my God. 

1679
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,960
Tries to commit suicide the his 
the reincarnation of his mom. 

1680
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:03,080
Tries to commit suicide and 
Lord. 

1681
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,040
Oh, when he got to say goodbye 
to her on the beach. 

1682
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,240
No, well, that's The thing is 
that I started crying. 

1683
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,680
Like they go into her dream and 
she's stuck in the dream and 

1684
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,720
she's taken sleeping pill, an 
overdose of sleeping pills. 

1685
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,120
That's her way of committing 
suicide. 

1686
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,240
And then they're trying to 
convince her it's a dream and 

1687
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:24,200
it's whole thing. 
That's fine. 

1688
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,760
I'm not crying yet. 
No, no, I cried a lot when we 

1689
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,600
got to learn about her past 
life. 

1690
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,600
And oh, her past life was 
horrible. 

1691
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,320
Yeah. 
And I think for me, when he 

1692
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:40,360
realized the first time that 
everything that he was saying 

1693
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:47,600
was super hurtful and so wrong, 
I was like, yeah, no, I'm good, 

1694
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,960
never mind. 
It was hurtful, even if it was 

1695
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,200
right. 
Yeah, even. 

1696
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,080
If you right, it was. 
But you know. 

1697
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,640
Don't say that the. 
First time that hero realized 

1698
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,400
what he did. 
I was like. 

1699
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,800
Sometimes can you just talk to 
people just. 

1700
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,360
Ask in front of them. 
Hey. 

1701
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,720
Mom, are you a prostitute or 
not? 

1702
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,840
Just tell me and not say you 
hate her. 

1703
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:09,920
Yeah. 
Oh no. 

1704
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,080
But don't say you hate her and 
you don't want to be her son. 

1705
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:17,000
And like, oh, so it was bad. 
It was bad enough, but I wasn't 

1706
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,840
crying yet. 
I was like, damn, this is heavy.

1707
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,400
But I wasn't crying. 
I lost it. 

1708
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:28,040
When you see the mom put the 
message in the sand for the baby

1709
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:34,080
that she lost in the present day
because he told her in the dream

1710
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:39,480
you're, you can send a message 
to what's the name that she gave

1711
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:41,600
the baby the honey bee or 
whatever or something like that.

1712
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,760
And she'll get it. 
Like it'll make it to the 

1713
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,240
underworld and she'll see it. 
So she wrote, what we see is 

1714
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:54,040
let's meet again. 
And then she put, the husband 

1715
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:58,520
gives her two little shoes and 
she puts it there and like, she 

1716
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,080
basically sends her like 2 
little shoes along with the 

1717
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,520
mess. 
I, that's when I lost it. 

1718
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:08,360
I, I couldn't hold it together. 
I was like like that kind of 

1719
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:12,240
crying like it was bad. 
I think I usually struggle a lot

1720
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,520
when it's about people, kids 
dying, right? 

1721
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,760
Like anything that's harming 
kids, I usually skip that. 

1722
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,120
I don't like that. 
I work as a babysitter, nanny. 

1723
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,800
I can't. 
I cannot because I would really 

1724
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,920
jump in front of a car for my 
kids. 

1725
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,880
They are my babies. 
So watching this and seeing her 

1726
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,360
struggle so much, I was like, Oh
my God, I wish I could just jump

1727
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,720
into the screen and help her. 
Like I would never judge. 

1728
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,920
I help you. 
And then seeing him being so 

1729
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,000
horrible like you, I will talk 
to you right now. 

1730
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:50,680
So everything was just a lot for
me watching this, right? 

1731
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,120
Also, like a friend of mine just
said, like, you know, a 

1732
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:57,200
miscarriage a few times ago. 
No, a few months ago, like, oh 

1733
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,720
God, that's a lot there. 
Where was our trigger warning 

1734
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,080
for all of that? 
Suicide, yes, but you know there

1735
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:05,320
are more happening in that 
episode. 

1736
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,320
They just said like suicide and 
I was like, no, but like it's 

1737
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,200
more so. 
Much more. 

1738
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,360
And this episode was really 
tough on me, especially every 

1739
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,520
time it's about kids. 
And I get when kids are angry, 

1740
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,160
they don't know how to regulate 
their emotions, right? 

1741
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:24,280
And I was like, I understand you
little guy, but you're breaking 

1742
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,240
my heart too because I see her 
suffering and I see you 

1743
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:28,960
suffering. 
And that's too much for me. 

1744
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,800
Like him being hurt. 
Hurt teaching him how to read. 

1745
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:39,880
No, stop, stop. 
Doing the little recitations and

1746
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:43,080
stuff with him like, Oh no, it 
was. 

1747
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,600
So I started crying with the 
little booties that she put in 

1748
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:50,800
the ocean for her for the baby. 
And then Ryongo shows up. 

1749
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:56,920
He's got his hair cut, no more 
blonde in the in the hair and he

1750
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:01,280
breaks some rules and shows his 
mom her past life and she 

1751
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:05,400
remembers everything. 
And he tells her he was sorry 

1752
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,680
and that he's never once 
resented being her son and that 

1753
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:13,120
then she says she's never once 
regretted being his mom and if 

1754
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,520
she had to do it all over again 
she would still be his mom. 

1755
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,000
I'm sobbing. 
I'm sobbing. 

1756
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,440
From the little message in the 
sand to the end of the episode, 

1757
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,720
it was like I'm on a train, 
can't stop the train. 

1758
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:32,400
I'm crying, wailing. 
I mean, I remember also in in. 

1759
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,880
I'm so bad with names. 
Oh, it's OK. 

1760
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,800
So I, I remember like he was 
saying like how bad he thinks it

1761
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,960
is that people are, you know, 
turning to drugs, right? 

1762
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,320
And then after he finds out what
happened, he killed all those 

1763
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,320
perpetrators, whatever, Then he 
also turns to drugs. 

1764
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,160
Like, you know, the whole cycle 
of him first hating all those 

1765
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,520
people and overdoses and then 
dying on an overdose like the 

1766
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,680
people that he hated. 
I was like, yeah. 

1767
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,200
And that's also explore he. 
Didn't he hated? 

1768
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,080
Himself, he was like, I hate 
myself so much, I'm turning to 

1769
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,240
the exact same people that I 
wanted to get rid of. 

1770
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,120
Yeah. 
I was like, oh wow. 

1771
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,640
And he was a really great actor 
in those scenes, right? 

1772
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,200
Like, I loved his acting. 
I know he was so good. 

1773
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:19,240
I was really surprised. 
I was broke episodes. 

1774
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:26,120
What is this, 12/13/14? 
Yeah, triple homicide right 

1775
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:27,680
there. 
Like it took me to clean out. 

1776
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,320
One after the other. 
And they were like, you know 

1777
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,560
what, If you didn't cry before, 
we're going to make sure you cry

1778
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,040
now. 
Yeah, like watch, OK. 

1779
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:36,680
No tears and. 
It started kind of. 

1780
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:38,600
It started kind of. 
Funny to me, I was like. 

1781
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:42,160
Episode 12 started kind of funny
to me 'cause it seemed like all 

1782
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,400
of a sudden they were like, 
whoa, we haven't hit our product

1783
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:48,240
placement quota. 
So they had all this product 

1784
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,120
placement at the front half of 
the front of the episode, like 

1785
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:52,640
Mr. Pizza. 
Oh my God, do you? 

1786
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:55,080
Remember, like the Mr. Pizza? 
I was like what the fuck is it? 

1787
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,000
The whole pizza thing he visit 
what happened to Subway people? 

1788
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,880
Let's go back to Subway. 
What, just because? 

1789
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,280
No. 
And then the pizza. 

1790
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:06,240
Had like shrimp on it and I was 
like what in the world? 

1791
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:07,160
Comment about. 
Shrimp. 

1792
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,600
I'm like no, no. 
And then? 

1793
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:18,680
Ryongo's mom works in a sports 
clothing store that's called the

1794
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,920
South Side, but the logo looks 
eerily similar to The North 

1795
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,640
Face. 
And then all the stuff that 

1796
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,920
they're wearing, like Roman's 
wearing a jacket that has tape 

1797
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:33,360
over The North Face logo that's 
clearly in their attention to. 

1798
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,520
That this is so. 
Freaking funny I'm I'm laughing 

1799
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:40,000
through all this. 
I'm sobbing, wailing by the end 

1800
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,120
of the show. 
That's why I was like, it caught

1801
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:43,400
me clean like off. 
Guard. 

1802
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,440
Yeah. 
No, for real. 

1803
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:46,280
Oh my God. 
God. 

1804
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:50,920
The whole pizza thing, like no. 
The pizza I was like, what is 

1805
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,280
this? 
And then she big red is like I 

1806
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,520
want something sweet. 
I'm like since when girl, and so

1807
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,680
he goes to get something. 
It was like another product 

1808
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,880
place it. 
Yeah, no, sometimes the product 

1809
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,520
placements are so bad. 
I'm like, oh, I know. 

1810
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,280
Can we know? 
It's like, you know, let's go to

1811
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,440
Subway again. 
What happened to good old 

1812
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:12,200
Subway? 
Subway. 

1813
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:15,720
You know what I prefer? 
Subway at this point. 

1814
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:20,080
I mean, I, I do must confess 
that I sometimes hate when they 

1815
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:24,520
have like pizza brands like 
Pizza Hut sometimes or whatever.

1816
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,040
I'm like, I don't like that. 
It's always too random. 

1817
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:29,440
Why are you showing this pizza 
so close? 

1818
01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:32,400
I no. 
Yeah. 

1819
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,880
Just I don't know. 
They also do that a lot in Thai 

1820
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:37,480
shows. 
So that's maybe because I'm 

1821
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,760
like, Oh no, can we not do 
another? 

1822
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,360
Yeah, they have. 
So I think there are Pizza Hut 

1823
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,840
is sometimes as sponsoring, you 
know, the Sirius, like it's 

1824
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,920
fine, but I really don't want to
see that pizza right now. 

1825
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:55,600
Like it does not match but. 
It doesn't mesh with anything 

1826
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,200
else. 
No, like the aesthetic is killed

1827
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,840
right now you're you're talking 
about suicide. 

1828
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,160
We're eating on pizza and then 
we're gonna go. 

1829
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,880
Yeah, no. 
Oh my God, you're. 

1830
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:12,120
Gonna bring that into the into 
the afterlife, into the company.

1831
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,920
Do you think they. 
Think about it. 

1832
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:18,360
Imagine having a subway in the 
afterlife just for product 

1833
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,280
placement. 
They work all in a subway. 

1834
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:22,640
That would be so funny. 
OK, I have no idea. 

1835
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,440
Any idea? 
Don't even feel like it's a 

1836
01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:26,840
stretch. 
I don't even feel like it's a 

1837
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,840
if. 
If this was I don't this could 

1838
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,240
27. 
Better than it could have 

1839
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,400
happened. 
True it. 

1840
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,120
Would have worked a little bit 
more. 

1841
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,800
Maybe they could have like 
switched the arrows or something

1842
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,480
on the subway logo and it could 
have been like that way to 

1843
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:44,320
heaven, that way to hell. 
Oh my God, I want to see that. 

1844
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:45,840
To be honest, that would be so 
funny. 

1845
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,040
And maybe the colours could be, 
I mean, Subway could have been 

1846
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,120
something, yeah. 
Well, we have. 

1847
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:53,280
Or it could. 
Have been something else like 

1848
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,880
instead of subway it could have 
been like one way or something. 

1849
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:58,120
You know what I'm saying? 
Like. 

1850
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,880
So many things. 
I don't know what they did, but 

1851
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:05,440
pizza, no. 
No Mr. Pizza at that. 

1852
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:07,360
And it looked bad. 
Like, not gonna lie, it looked 

1853
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,720
bad. 
Episode 10 they had the sexual 

1854
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:10,960
assault case. 
Oh my God. 

1855
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:15,280
With the fraternal twins. 
I think I posted it on my story 

1856
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,760
that my rage. 
Was so high. 

1857
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,760
Oh my God. 
I mean, I do listen to a lot of 

1858
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:25,280
true crime, right? 
So I know that this is typical 

1859
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:26,600
for those. 
It's real, right? 

1860
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,520
Like this is. 
Fucking real. 

1861
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:31,880
Literally everyday life for a 
lot of people that had been 

1862
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:36,200
through that, right? 
So it was so triggering because 

1863
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:42,400
I just recently I heard about 
another two crime case, you 

1864
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,880
know, like Korea, get your shit 
together. 

1865
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,360
I know that not every country is
perfect, especially when it 

1866
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:51,760
comes to that. 
We just have so many issues, but

1867
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:57,240
this was just hitting too close.
Like, yeah, and it was very. 

1868
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,760
And I love the this sounds 
terrible to say, but I love the 

1869
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,360
escalation, right? 
And the way that they tied 

1870
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:11,720
especially the last few cases 
together into the the mysterious

1871
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:17,440
story of like how big red and 
what's his face Jungkill are 

1872
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:19,760
connected. 
What is their past life story 

1873
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,960
that has wrecked them into the 
afterlife? 

1874
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,320
And you have the sexual assault 
case and the victim blaming in 

1875
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,560
that. 
Then you get, you know, another 

1876
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:33,000
back story for one of the the 
trio, the 3 Musketeers. 

1877
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,640
Then you get the comfort women. 
And then you get it's, it's an 

1878
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:40,960
escalation that all leads into 
you're gonna understand the 

1879
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:45,280
gravity of their back story way 
better when you get there. 

1880
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,920
Because you know, you start also
with the present. 

1881
01:46:48,440 --> 01:46:52,240
What is going on right now with 
a sexual assault cases? 

1882
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:53,360
How? 
Nothing has changed. 

1883
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,720
And then you go back in time and
still the same woman are still 

1884
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:57,960
being. 
Same shit. 

1885
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:01,040
Yeah, they have been blamed. 
People are still not trying to 

1886
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,960
help them. 
Oh my God. 

1887
01:47:04,440 --> 01:47:09,720
And I mean, I when I watched the
the lawyer saying like, oh, what

1888
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,440
were you wearing? 
Why did you? 

1889
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:15,240
I was like, if he doesn't shut 
the fuck up right now, I'm gonna

1890
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:17,400
get so mad. 
I can't. 

1891
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:24,160
Yeah, yeah, the, it's the trauma
of the assault plus the trauma 

1892
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:30,120
of the trial with the Skeez Ball
defense attorney victim blaming,

1893
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,480
saying why didn't she resist or 
scream? 

1894
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:34,960
Why didn't she escape? 
The door wasn't locked. 

1895
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,640
Why wouldn't she? 
She would have, she wouldn't 

1896
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,160
have stayed if she didn't like 
it. 

1897
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,280
Like it's so on and so forth. 
What was she wearing, etcetera? 

1898
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,560
The brother victim blaming her 
as soon as he sees her, saying 

1899
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,560
it wouldn't have happened if she
wasn't walking alone at night, 

1900
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,960
if she didn't get drunk, if she 
wasn't reckless, this, that and 

1901
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,960
the other. 
And it's, it's bad. 

1902
01:47:55,960 --> 01:48:00,680
Like you, by the time you get to
the end of the show, you're kind

1903
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:06,080
of like, you understand what Big
Red says when she says she 

1904
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,000
called sexual assault a murder 
of the soul. 

1905
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:12,040
Yeah, Oh, my God, I love that. 
You couldn't clearly see like 

1906
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:15,240
every woman and girl, this is 
exactly what happened. 

1907
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:19,360
They were still there, but their
soul, especially when, you know,

1908
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:23,920
like I I did wish that the 
trigger one for this one was a 

1909
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,360
little bit, you know, more than 
just, oh, it's suicide. 

1910
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,200
I'm like, no. 
No. 

1911
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:30,720
This is, well, I think it said 
it might have said sexual 

1912
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:31,760
assault. 
I don't. 

1913
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,560
Maybe say it. 
I I just remember every time it 

1914
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,000
was like suicide. 
I'm like, OK, but this was so. 

1915
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,680
Oh my God, it was something to 
watch. 

1916
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,840
And I think in every episode 
they show a not a lot, but I 

1917
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,640
think they show enough where 
you're like, yeah, you're 

1918
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,240
Jarred, right? 
Like you're like shaking up. 

1919
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,280
And this one is no different. 
And the comfort women, when 

1920
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,240
going back to that one real 
fast, that was like almost the 

1921
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:03,040
first time that I had seen the 
barracks or whatever that they 

1922
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,040
had kept these when. 
So I was like, oh, and that's 

1923
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:07,600
real. 
Like they kept them in the. 

1924
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:09,000
The. 
Soldiers. 

1925
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:13,280
Going in and all soldiers. 
Going in and out like 70 men a 

1926
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:17,600
day and shit like that. 
It was just like, so that's what

1927
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:22,800
I mean by historically accurate.
And this one, what's eerily 

1928
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:27,000
accurate about the sexual 
assault case in episode 10 is 

1929
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,360
that the guy gets a very light 
sentence. 

1930
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:35,520
He got like two years. 
And I mean, probation, I think, 

1931
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:41,640
was a large part of it. 
And it's because he was drunk In

1932
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:46,200
Korea, that's a thing. 
The law recognizes being drunk 

1933
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,360
as a mitigating circumstance and
therefore grounds for leniency. 

1934
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:57,720
So people commit heinous, 
heinous crimes while they're 

1935
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,360
drunk and they get a reduced 
sentence. 

1936
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:05,280
And there has been a like in 
recent years, there's been a lot

1937
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:09,600
of uproar and demand for change.
And I mean. 

1938
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,360
On that law in Korea. 
He's saying, oh, he has a future

1939
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,080
ahead and he's a promising guy. 
I'm like. 

1940
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:17,560
We've heard this a million 
times. 

1941
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,240
He was young with a bright 
future. 

1942
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:24,320
He's got good grades, he's well 
liked, he's in medical school, 

1943
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:27,640
blah blah blah. 
And I'm like, I don't give a 

1944
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:28,200
fuck. 
He's a hard. 

1945
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,800
But do not human being and he 
should be behind bars for a 

1946
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:33,920
long, long time never come out. 
Please. 

1947
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,600
I don't care. 
No. 

1948
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,480
Yeah. 
I think if you listen to a lot 

1949
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:43,400
of true crime that also not only
talk about Western crime but 

1950
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,000
also about what happens maybe in
Korea, in India and etcetera. 

1951
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:50,240
You will see that this is not 
just ATV show at this point, 

1952
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:53,920
like this specific episode 
especially, this is what's 

1953
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,160
happening right now. 
There's something, I mean, there

1954
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,280
are cases maybe five years ago, 
like I usually listen to 

1955
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,560
Stephanie Sue, right? 
And I'm like, yeah, five years 

1956
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,040
ago. 
There are literal pedophiles 

1957
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:08,360
free right now. 
And you know, Korea and their 

1958
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:11,200
defamation laws and whatsoever. 
You can even name them. 

1959
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:12,840
You cannot show any pictures of 
them. 

1960
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,360
And they could be your neighbor 
and it's totally fine. 

1961
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,240
I'm like, you know? 
I was super angry. 

1962
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:25,040
I had to pause a few times 
because I was I'm gonna throw my

1963
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:28,640
iPad through the window at this 
point and I already watched it. 

1964
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:30,400
It was my second time watching 
it. 

1965
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,080
I still got mad. 
Yeah. 

1966
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:38,720
It's just this righteous rage 
that courses through you when 

1967
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:42,200
you're watching the show, and 
every episode it's a new like 

1968
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:43,200
circle of. 
Hell, yeah. 

1969
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:45,800
It was really. 
Oh, it was a lot. 

1970
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:49,400
And then it started just, you 
know, it was just a start. 

1971
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:53,040
You're like OK watching this as 
a woman sometimes it's like I 

1972
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:56,080
know but damn we're all 
suffering I. 

1973
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:56,840
Know, but damn. 
Damn. 

1974
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:00,880
Let's watch something happy, I 
guess. 

1975
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:06,160
Now I just want us to. 
Talk now, yeah, that was really 

1976
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,680
tough. 
Something that they almost lost 

1977
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,920
me with was episode nine with 
the suicidal dog. 

1978
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:13,800
Yeah, yeah, they almost lost me 
with that one. 

1979
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:18,960
I mean, I do have a dog, right? 
He does live with my mom and all

1980
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:20,600
and I. 
I love pets. 

1981
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:26,240
Not in my home, but I do love 
them, yes. 

1982
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:27,320
I'm listening. 
I'm listening. 

1983
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:31,760
I was like, I think I cannot 
relate to that because I'm not 

1984
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:38,360
that close to my pet. 
Maybe people with pets can. 

1985
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:41,640
Yeah, feel a little bit more, 
you know, like it felt like it 

1986
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:46,880
was a cute story also talking 
about the feeling of an animal, 

1987
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:50,680
but this was so far away from 
everything else. 

1988
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:52,680
I don't know. 
I I don't know. 

1989
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:54,600
I was like OK this feel like a 
full episode. 

1990
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,200
It's like, like, 'cause they, 
yeah. 

1991
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:01,080
We went from like all of a. 
Sudden they introduced the 

1992
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:07,440
concept of, oh, pets and animals
also have yeah, get reaped, 

1993
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:08,920
right? 
Like they have grim reapers that

1994
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:10,880
come and collect them and they 
go this. 

1995
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,280
Is kind of cute. 
As well. 

1996
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:17,160
Yeah, but. 
Yeah, right. 

1997
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:22,880
But after like experiencing the 
pain and suffering of actual 

1998
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:31,200
humans and the reality of life, 
then you settle in with episode 

1999
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,680
9 and you're like Oh my God, 
who's suicidal? 

2000
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:35,760
They got to save them. 
You think it's the you think 

2001
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:39,760
it's Roman's sister for a hot 
2nd And then. 

2002
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,560
Debbie would be her. 
I'm like, why are you all 

2003
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,760
jumping in front of cars? 
What's going on? 

2004
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:47,600
Right. 
And then she just sits there. 

2005
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:48,960
She just squats in the middle of
the street. 

2006
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,360
And I'm like. 
Bitch, get up. 

2007
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:52,120
My. 
God who does? 

2008
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:55,600
That you can just grab the dog 
and take him, you know, like to 

2009
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:56,360
the side. 
What? 

2010
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,840
Yeah, yeah. 
Did we just all get stupid or 

2011
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,960
what's going on? 
So, but it wasn't her, it was 

2012
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,560
the fucking Pomeranian that she 
saved. 

2013
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,080
And I was like, oh, that's a 
swerve. 

2014
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,280
That's a real swerve on the 
show. 

2015
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,280
I. 
Remember watching for the first 

2016
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,480
time like. 
Is this for real right now? 

2017
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:19,320
Yeah, he. 
Was trying to save his owner. 

2018
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:23,400
Get attention that his owner is 
like the dog we are talking. 

2019
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:28,400
OK, so who let the dogs? 
Out wonderful like Big Red said 

2020
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:33,080
this wonderful speech to the dog
and I was like, this speech 

2021
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:37,000
works, but it's a dog. 
So she says this. 

2022
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,480
Do you have any idea what kind 
of hell it is to part ways with 

2023
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:43,280
a without a proper goodbye? 
It's no different than choosing 

2024
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,760
an eternal hell just to escape 
the pain in the present, which 

2025
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:50,160
is like aha later in the show 
when you find out what the hell 

2026
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,600
hurts history is You left 
because you didn't want him to 

2027
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:55,960
feel that pain. 
But that should be up to the 

2028
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:59,120
people who are left behind. 
It would be selfish not to let 

2029
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:01,520
him even do that. 
Of course it's hard and sad when

2030
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,400
a family member you love is 
dying, but you need to go 

2031
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:06,920
through that time to be able to 
miss your loved ones freely. 

2032
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,920
It might hurt to think about 
them immediately, but the sense 

2033
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,720
of longing is created because of
happy memories. 

2034
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:13,880
And I'm like, this is a 
wonderful. 

2035
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:15,280
Speech. 
Why not too a human? 

2036
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:19,280
It's a wonderful concept. 
But it's a two way fucking. 

2037
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:21,640
Oh, and you? 
Know about a pomery? 

2038
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:26,120
OK, but listen, I could have 
handled that if not in the end 

2039
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:30,920
that damn dog was licking all 
over his mouth like when he was 

2040
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,800
saying goodbye. 
The dog's acting was not even a 

2041
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:34,920
plus. 
It was like. 

2042
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:37,200
B minus Yeah. 
And then B was licking his 

2043
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:39,160
owner's mouth all the time. 
Like, this is absolutely 

2044
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:40,440
disgusting. 
I refuse. 

2045
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:42,480
Absolutely not. 
Yeah, I like. 

2046
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:47,280
I get it, you all love your dogs
and go for it, but stop letting 

2047
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:51,520
your dog lick your mouth. 
We're all this. 

2048
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:53,240
We're the same. 
Family I can. 

2049
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,400
This was so disgusting. 
I lost my. 

2050
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:58,840
Shit, I can look the dog. 
Some people are here like, oh, 

2051
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,920
the dog's dog's mouths are 
cleaner than human mouths and 

2052
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:05,080
like humans don't normally eat. 
Shit, yeah, he's also not 

2053
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:06,840
licking. 
Other people's do, as far as I 

2054
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,760
know. 
Like at least I'm not OK, I'm 

2055
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,960
not doing that right, but not 
judging people that do. 

2056
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:15,600
That I don't know. 
Did you eat grass Stew? 

2057
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:18,960
Yeah. 
Oh, OK, So what are we talking 

2058
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:19,680
about? 
It's. 

2059
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:21,920
Disgusting. 
I was just like. 

2060
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,880
Don't let your dogs lick you in 
the face, in the mouth. 

2061
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:28,280
I mean, they showed it for quite
a long time. 

2062
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:29,440
Like that's too much. 
It was a. 

2063
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:31,800
It was. 
A long little scene. 

2064
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,440
Yeah. 
The whole were they reunited in 

2065
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,760
in the director's office? 
And you're like, oh. 

2066
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:40,680
That's awkward. 
Yeah, that's awkward. 

2067
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:42,760
Oh, I don't know. 
This whole episode was like, 

2068
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:47,040
yeah, I get it. 
You all love your dogs and pets 

2069
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:48,920
and all. 
It's really sad when they go 

2070
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:52,320
and, I don't know, stop letting 
your dogs like, your face. 

2071
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:56,160
Anyways, rest in peace. 
A little Pomeranian. 

2072
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:56,920
I. 
Didn't. 

2073
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,680
So the only time that I was 
like, OK, I kind of get it is 

2074
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:04,760
when they reunited the dog with 
the owner and the owner started 

2075
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:09,360
kind of opening up to the dog 
and I was like, all right, this 

2076
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:13,920
is a little bit better because I
understand the owner losing the 

2077
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,160
pet. 
I thought that like, I 

2078
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,280
understand that, like 
absolutely. 

2079
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:23,280
But the dog's point of view, I 
was like, yeah, but I understand

2080
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:26,360
a in a fraction. 
I understand a fraction of it 

2081
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:31,880
because obviously there's really
sad stories of, you know, the 

2082
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:35,640
owner got in a car accident and 
the dog wouldn't eat for weeks 

2083
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:38,880
until the owner returned. 
And like, there's stories like 

2084
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:39,680
that. 
Absolutely. 

2085
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:45,520
Or the owner died. 
The owner died and the dog like 

2086
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,880
stood vigil. 
At the at the. 

2087
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,200
Cemetery for for the rest of its
life. 

2088
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:52,640
Like there's stories like that 
absolutely, 100%. 

2089
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:57,280
It's all true, but also it's an 
animal. 

2090
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:00,080
But also thing you could have 
never done this absurd with a 

2091
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,200
cat. 
You could. 

2092
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:05,000
Right, right. 
Like this could only be done 

2093
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,120
with a dog. 
Like, you can't do it with, 

2094
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:12,120
like, a chinchilla. 
Yeah, can't do it with a bearded

2095
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,240
dragon. 
Yeah, like, you know, at this 

2096
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:20,000
point I was watching like, I 
don't know people why I'm 

2097
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,080
watching this. 
This was really the only episode

2098
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:27,680
where I'm like, yeah, I'm sad. 
But also, we had the veteran 

2099
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:30,080
episode, right? 
Right. 

2100
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:34,640
Like what do you? 
Mean I'm not watching a dog. 

2101
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:37,240
We had a. 
Fucking Korean War battle. 

2102
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,760
We had so many. 
And we had a wonderful they 

2103
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:44,160
recreated the Korean what? 
That sequence is amazing. 

2104
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,000
We had, you know, before then. 
You're like. 

2105
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:50,080
So many things, bullying, body 
shaming, like a workplace, 

2106
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:52,440
everything we had so many 
things. 

2107
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:54,720
And then we had like. 
Harassed into the workplace and 

2108
01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:57,320
the bulimic and then. 
A dog you get. 

2109
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:01,920
A fucking dog. 
In episode 9, and you're like, 

2110
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:02,680
what? 
You. 

2111
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:03,920
Yeah. 
Taken aback. 

2112
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:07,120
Taken aback. 
I mean, it's astonishing that 

2113
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:09,640
some people would be like, oh, 
you just don't get him. 

2114
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,360
Like, yeah, I don't. 
I swear, people, you cannot 

2115
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,280
explain it to me in a way that I
will ever get it. 

2116
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:17,040
And I have a dog. 
Will I be sad when he's gone? 

2117
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:20,920
Probably. 
Uh huh. 

2118
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:24,720
I felt, you know, OK, I do have 
to jump in here and say we had 

2119
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,280
a, a family dog for the longest 
time. 

2120
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:31,880
We, it was a rescue and his name
was Zeus and it was a, a 

2121
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:34,360
miniature pinscher. 
Sweetest dog, the best dog we've

2122
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:36,160
ever had. 
We've had some crazy ass dogs 

2123
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:39,000
that we've had to sell or give 
away and stuff when we were 

2124
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:42,800
children, especially because we 
could as children, we couldn't 

2125
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,400
necessarily take care of the 
dog. 

2126
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:48,560
It was all down to my parents, 
really my mom. 

2127
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,440
And so now when we're older, we 
got this dog. 

2128
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:56,040
We had him for like 13 years, 
but he was already a rescue. 

2129
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:58,280
We didn't know how old he was, 
and it was all like a guessing 

2130
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,960
game as how old the dog was. 
The dog started doing really 

2131
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:05,320
badly during the pandemic. 
He had major separation anxiety.

2132
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:08,840
It was awful, awful. 
The dog was doing horrendous. 

2133
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,160
A lot of upheaval in the family,
family members dying, and like 

2134
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:17,280
the dog was doing terribly. 
Then he got sick and he could 

2135
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:19,400
barely hear anymore. 
He's like basically deaf, 

2136
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:23,600
basically couldn't see anything.
And then he kind of had like a 

2137
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:25,760
stroke thing. 
And we were like, OK, no, like, 

2138
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,640
this dog is suffering every day.
Like he can barely walk. 

2139
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:32,560
So we went to go put him down. 
And I thought, I'm going to be 

2140
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,960
strong. 
I love this dog. 

2141
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:37,440
I love this dog. 
We've had it for many, many 

2142
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:41,000
years, girl. 
When it came time to put the dog

2143
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:45,840
down in the middle of this 
pandemic, girl, you were all 

2144
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,200
sobbing in the room, crying in 
the room. 

2145
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:53,320
And they, I think they've seen a
lot of people that have lost 

2146
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:56,280
their shit, like putting their 
pets down. 

2147
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,920
So they were saying really crazy
shit that we were like, you 

2148
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:04,040
would say this for a human 
dying, but OK, so we all kind of

2149
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,240
had our whips about us. 
But when it came time to 

2150
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,320
actually put our dog down, it 
was extremely sad. 

2151
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:12,040
It was heartbreaking. 
And we left, we were all 

2152
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,880
different feeling different, 
like we left feeling so 

2153
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,840
different. 
So I understand this feeling of 

2154
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:21,000
like, maybe I, I probably feel 
sad when I when I have to let 

2155
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,280
the dog go. 
And then when it happens, you're

2156
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:26,680
like, well, damn. 
Fuck shit that was awful. 

2157
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:29,120
Oh my God that was the saddest 
thing ever. 

2158
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:34,840
So I get that, but man, I feel 
like still not to the extent of 

2159
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:37,760
an entire episode on a suicidal.
Dog maybe if they make, you 

2160
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,440
know, like the point of view of 
the owner a little bit more. 

2161
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:45,320
Maybe, but even then, like he 
was a different kind of dog 

2162
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:47,760
owner than than we evidently 
are. 

2163
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:53,280
Yeah, I, I don't know, I guess 
this is something that maybe the

2164
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,360
director or writer can explain 
to us. 

2165
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,120
Maybe they had a dog and they 
were trying, you know, to also 

2166
02:01:58,120 --> 02:01:59,560
heal. 
Yeah. 

2167
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:03,960
So I'm judging that it was 
there, to be honest. 

2168
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:07,200
But you know what? 
If you felt like it was 

2169
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:09,360
necessary. 
So people are ready for what's 

2170
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:11,160
coming next. 
Fair enough. 

2171
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:13,240
I'll just assume that's what 
they're trying to do. 

2172
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:15,960
Right. 
You know, like a little laugh in

2173
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:17,880
the middle little bit. 
Yeah. 

2174
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:21,840
Hey, at least this time the 
human is surviving and it's just

2175
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,960
the dark dying fun. 
Amazing. 

2176
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,040
Right, the human survive. 
Oh my God, episode. 

2177
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:31,520
I know episode eight they had to
save the criminal who was the 

2178
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,000
suicide broker. 
Oh my. 

2179
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:37,200
God. 
Bro The funny thing I just a 

2180
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:39,880
few. 
Weeks ago, there was I listened 

2181
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:43,800
to this true crime episode 
talking exactly about something 

2182
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:45,560
like that. 
Like there was a suicide broker 

2183
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:47,760
in Japan. 
Yes. 

2184
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:51,120
And I was like, oh, now I 
remember because when I first 

2185
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:53,920
watched it, I didn't I was like 
listened to true crime. 

2186
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:58,200
I didn't do this episode yet. 
And I was like, Oh my God, this 

2187
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:02,000
actually happened in real life. 
Like, this is not something 

2188
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,120
because, you know, when you 
watch it for something, it's 

2189
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:07,160
like, no way. 
And there is no way that 

2190
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:08,640
someone's really doing something
like that. 

2191
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:12,600
Going out of their way to help 
people die instead of helping 

2192
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:16,680
them live, like, you know, doing
our RM team's job, right? 

2193
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:19,480
But there is literally a person 
that did that. 

2194
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:24,240
And I think he is now free 
because, you know, they were 

2195
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:26,400
trying to die and he was just 
helping. 

2196
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:27,760
Us right. 
You took it. 

2197
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:29,400
That took me back. 
I'm sorry. 

2198
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:32,920
Yeah, no, I, I, I if I remember 
correctly, I'll, I can send you 

2199
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:36,280
the episode. 
But yeah, he the sentence was 

2200
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:40,640
not too severe or anything and 
was like, what do you mean? 

2201
02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:44,080
But it's Oh my God, he literally
did that. 

2202
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:48,080
People were trying, you know, on
Twitter X whatever, saying hey, 

2203
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:50,640
I don't feel good. 
And he would text them. 

2204
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:55,360
Hey, need someone to listen to 
who can come to me And yeah. 

2205
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:57,360
Horrible. 
Oh my God. 

2206
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:58,280
It was the same thing. 
Yeah. 

2207
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:01,640
And stealing these poor people's
money. 

2208
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,240
Yes. 
To tell them how to die 

2209
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:06,080
painlessly. 
Was He was the person? 

2210
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:08,920
Who was actually inviting them 
to his place? 

2211
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:12,720
I think there's two cases that 
are similar, but this one that I

2212
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:16,360
remember, he was trying to first
of all get their money. 

2213
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:20,240
And also it was trying to get 
mainly girls and, you know, SA 

2214
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:21,680
and whatever. 
Oh. 

2215
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:24,280
God. 
But also saying, yeah, I can 

2216
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:28,320
help you die. 
And yeah, helping them in a 

2217
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:33,000
really horrible way. 
So yeah, it's horrible. 

2218
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,520
So people are actually out 
there. 

2219
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:38,040
Just have no shame. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

2220
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:40,160
Not shame. 
Oh my God. 

2221
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:45,280
My God. 
So, OK, so this guy in the show,

2222
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:50,920
he was like getting high off of 
watching these people die. 

2223
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:53,760
This was his thing and. 
He was so gross. 

2224
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:58,200
This actor was so good. 
Too good at acting. 

2225
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:01,720
He was chewing up scenery. 
Yeah, just acting a literal 

2226
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:03,760
psycho. 
Oh yeah, I mean, it was insane 

2227
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,720
because the first time when I 
watched it, I did not recognize,

2228
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,800
I did not see that he would be 
like part of the group saying 

2229
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,360
that they want to die. 
Right. 

2230
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:14,200
And then you get, this was A 
twist, right? 

2231
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:17,400
And you're like, I'm so glad 
that the other two escaped, 

2232
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:19,200
Like, escaped. 
Not listened to Rowan and be 

2233
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:21,200
like, OK, you know, never mind. 
It's not that serious. 

2234
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:23,720
I'm going back home. 
I'm so sorry, guys. 

2235
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:25,720
If I talk to it a little bit 
more, you know, casual. 

2236
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:27,920
It's just the way that I handled
this kind of thing. 

2237
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:32,080
Anyways, I was like OK. 
This one they did. 

2238
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:35,120
Escape, though, Yeah, but they 
escaped. 

2239
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:38,880
But Oh my God, no. 
I was so mad at him and the way 

2240
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:43,080
that he talked when he was still
on the ground, still acting all 

2241
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,720
my team like, oh, you're not 
gonna be better than me, Just 

2242
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:47,320
kill me. 
And then we're gonna see. 

2243
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:51,520
I'm like, oh, Merwin was 
stronger than me. 

2244
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:55,120
To be honest, I'm pretty sure. 
I would have stomped his head 

2245
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:56,440
in. 
Oh my God. 

2246
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,120
I. 
Wouldn't have even waited for 

2247
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:02,520
the poison to take effect. 
Oh my God. 

2248
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:06,600
They would have to lock me up. 
No, that this comes into play 

2249
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:12,240
right, because they they talk 
through this mandate of their 

2250
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:14,840
mission is to save everyone 
regardless of what they've done.

2251
02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:18,160
If they're a criminal, if their 
soul is rotten, it doesn't 

2252
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:22,360
matter. 
And it comes back to what the 

2253
02:06:22,360 --> 02:06:25,440
director said earlier in the 
show that like, she's not fair. 

2254
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:33,160
Yeah, the Jade Emperor is not 
fair, but she is impartial. 

2255
02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:37,920
Yeah, this episode was really 
hard because I just know I'm the

2256
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:41,280
type of person I would have 
probably made a different 

2257
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:45,160
decision. 
I cannot handle this kind of 

2258
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,640
thing. 
And I think that I myself would 

2259
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:52,720
also be like, I need to go or 
I'm gonna do something here that

2260
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:56,960
I'm gonna regret, but I'm still 
gonna be the bad person here. 

2261
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:01,200
Oh yeah, I said. 
I think I've said this in other 

2262
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:03,000
episodes. 
I have a little violent heart, 

2263
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:10,280
and this wouldn't have ended the
way Rowan did things in the 

2264
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:14,880
episode if it was me, he said. 
I didn't want to become the same

2265
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:18,000
as him and I'm like, you would 
never have been the same as. 

2266
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:20,040
Him I'm like I, I wouldn't be 
the same. 

2267
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:24,520
It was just. 
Because, you know, if I'm doing 

2268
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:28,120
the whole math here, I'm still, 
you know, the whole. 

2269
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:31,280
I'm doing the math. 
I'm helping more people here. 

2270
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:34,560
You know you have to sacrifice 
one if I have to sacrifice this 

2271
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:37,120
one, I'm happy. 
We can do that no problem. 

2272
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:39,360
I I will sleep so well 
afterwards. 

2273
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:42,440
Probably not, but you know I. 
Would sleep so. 

2274
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:45,640
Well, afterwards, but also. 
He was already poisoned, right? 

2275
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,760
So all you had to do is he was 
he poisoned himself. 

2276
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:50,720
I'm like, OK then. 
Bye. 

2277
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:53,280
I'm called the ambulance in a 
few minutes. 

2278
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,040
Any lost words? 
No. 

2279
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:58,600
OK. 
Oh God yeah. 

2280
02:07:58,600 --> 02:08:02,600
But that actor I was pretty 
impressed with the the twist 

2281
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:07,400
first of all of him being his 
code name or not code name but 

2282
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:13,320
his online name was Beta Male. 
I don't remember the name. 

2283
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:16,000
Oh, Oh my. 
God, it's like, Oh my God. 

2284
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,480
And then? 
The So that's how he showed up 

2285
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:21,760
as initially was beta male and 
then it turns out he was 

2286
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:24,480
actually also Grim Reaper. 
Yeah, Oh. 

2287
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:30,040
Quote UN Quote The guy that was 
the broker the. 

2288
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:36,320
Broker, Oh my God, that sounds 
so so weird the whole story I 

2289
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:39,160
would just wish it wasn't true 
that something like that could 

2290
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:43,480
never happen that no one would 
be this horrible to know use 

2291
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:47,000
something people are suffering 
and they're like I'm gonna use 

2292
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:48,680
that and I'm gonna make mine out
of it I'm. 

2293
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,160
Gonna take advantage of that. 
That's the word, thank you. 

2294
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:54,320
And I, Oh my God. 
But they have people like that 

2295
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:56,880
and it's so horrible. 
Piece of shit. 

2296
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,040
Super horrible. 
Oh my God, Yeah, no. 

2297
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:00,920
Yeah. 
Oh. 

2298
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:04,960
I also liked in this episode how
they were kind of like, well if 

2299
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:09,280
we don't handle this, if he 
doesn't get his punishment now, 

2300
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:15,720
he'll get it later and he gets 
his because they saved him. 

2301
02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:19,440
He gets punished while he's 
alive. 

2302
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:20,280
I love. 
That. 

2303
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:24,040
The punishment and the 
punishment was like, it comes 

2304
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:26,520
out that he did all of this 
stuff, so he's going to get 

2305
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:29,360
punished criminally, like 
legally for it. 

2306
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:33,760
And then they also did this 
cosmic punishment of like, he 

2307
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:36,760
lost his hearing and then he 
lost his ability to speak 

2308
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:39,120
because of the poison that he 
gave himself. 

2309
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,440
I still don't know if it was 
enough, you know what I'm 

2310
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,080
saying? 
Like I was like, OK, why can't 

2311
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:46,760
he just rot in hell for 
eternity? 

2312
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:49,960
Like that seems OK too. 
I mean, that's what I. 

2313
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:56,960
He got scared, he got scared 
when shit Jungkill I literally 

2314
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:59,560
his name blinks. 
I blink on it every time 

2315
02:10:00,040 --> 02:10:05,920
Jungkill ABS the voice shows up 
and sort of helps them because 

2316
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:08,360
he puts a fear of God in in the 
dude. 

2317
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:12,480
He gives him a little vision of 
hell. 

2318
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:14,680
He's like this is what you 
deserve. 

2319
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:17,920
Your soul is just rotten. 
All the shit you've done, this 

2320
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,560
is what you deserve. 
And he's like, save me, Save me 

2321
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:24,280
because I want to escape this 
cosmic punishment, like this 

2322
02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:27,840
eternal punishment that I'm 
going to get if I continue to 

2323
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:30,680
die. 
And I was like, yeah, no, let's 

2324
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:35,400
just leave it status quo. 
And also thought like, dude, you

2325
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:36,000
cannot. 
Escape. 

2326
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,680
You're so scared of it, this. 
Is going to happen. 

2327
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:41,160
I mean, now or later, it doesn't
matter. 

2328
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:44,360
But you did things. 
You deserve way worse. 

2329
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:48,600
So yeah, no, he would be dying. 
I would be watching uh huh, like

2330
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:52,000
I did now, but also I just wrote
down like this was the first 

2331
02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:57,000
episode that we saw Mr. Sexy 
voice as I wrote here they. 

2332
02:10:57,720 --> 02:10:59,400
Saw I like that, Mister sexy. 
Voice. 

2333
02:10:59,680 --> 02:11:01,760
Yeah, cool Gun for the first 
time in his nightmares. 

2334
02:11:02,520 --> 02:11:05,920
This was the first episode that 
we got like, this tiny hint that

2335
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:07,920
she was there. 
So I think I was focusing more 

2336
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,280
on that because I was getting 
way too angry. 

2337
02:11:10,280 --> 02:11:12,880
It's like, Oh my God. 
I can't. 

2338
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:15,920
We were like, let's focus on 
this bright spot over here of 

2339
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:18,880
like, impending drama versus 
this horrific. 

2340
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:21,560
Oh my God. 
Storyline that's in front of me 

2341
02:11:21,560 --> 02:11:25,400
right now because I there's no I
feel kind of helpless right now.

2342
02:11:26,080 --> 02:11:27,400
There's no way to like, fix 
this. 

2343
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:31,000
Episode 7 The Bulimic Woman. 
Oh wow, yeah. 

2344
02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:34,600
I mean, they talked about so 
many things. 

2345
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:37,200
Immediately that it wasn't the 
fat girl. 

2346
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:38,440
I was like, it's not her. 
She's. 

2347
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:39,800
Not she is. 
Living her life, she. 

2348
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:41,320
Loves herself. 
She loves. 

2349
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:44,040
She she was good, yeah. 
Mm hmm. 

2350
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:48,120
Yeah. 
So I clocked that it was the the

2351
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:52,520
really thin woman initially. 
And they were like, it's got to 

2352
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:55,160
be the other, it's got to be the
overweight woman. 

2353
02:11:55,160 --> 02:11:59,120
And I'm like, OK, why? 
OK, why is it got to be the 

2354
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,200
overweight lady that's suicidal?
I mean. 

2355
02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:04,000
But they were treating her like 
shit too. 

2356
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:08,960
Like it was bottom line, the 
episode was saying women's 

2357
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:12,200
bodies can just never be. 
Everybody got a comment. 

2358
02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:16,720
Everybody had to say something. 
It was like whether you're fat, 

2359
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:20,600
skinny, too skinny, too fat, it 
was nothing. 

2360
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,000
You cannot be perfect. 
Fucking shut. 

2361
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:24,680
Up. 
Let. 

2362
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,960
Let. 
Women B And I mean, I love the 

2363
02:12:27,960 --> 02:12:32,640
girl that will, I don't know, 
like chubby, a little bit 

2364
02:12:32,720 --> 02:12:34,240
weight, had a little bit of 
weight on. 

2365
02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:36,640
I just loved her attitude 
because I usually don't show 

2366
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:40,040
this type of character in Korean
dramas being happy with 

2367
02:12:40,040 --> 02:12:41,920
themselves, right? 
Usually you just get like a 

2368
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:45,240
depressed girl that's overweight
or whatever and she hates 

2369
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:47,600
herself. 
And we finally got a confident, 

2370
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:50,160
bigger woman. 
And I loved her. 

2371
02:12:50,160 --> 02:12:51,480
Who's not in a fat suit, by the 
way? 

2372
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:53,360
Not a skinny woman in a fat 
suit. 

2373
02:12:54,120 --> 02:12:56,040
So I was like, OK. 
How amazing is that? 

2374
02:12:56,040 --> 02:12:59,360
We have never seen that before. 
We all know that there's always 

2375
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:01,240
some underlying. 
Yeah. 

2376
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:05,120
Bullying happening. 
But this one was great because 

2377
02:13:05,120 --> 02:13:07,720
even when she was always 
confronted, even by the boss, 

2378
02:13:07,720 --> 02:13:10,600
she was like, yeah, so I like 
food and this is a good 

2379
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:13,400
restaurant and why would you not
enjoy this? 

2380
02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:15,840
Whatever I'm eating right now, 
right? 

2381
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,000
So I love that. 
And especially the conversation 

2382
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:22,800
she had with the polemic girl in
the end, it was super great. 

2383
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:26,080
I love that 'cause you have like
the contrast of both, you know? 

2384
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:31,120
She is happy with herself and 
the polemic girl is learning to 

2385
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:35,080
love herself again. 
To love herself again, to find a

2386
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:37,600
happy medium. 
Yeah, to eat. 

2387
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:40,480
Without hating herself. 
And the whole workplace 

2388
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:43,160
harassment, Oh my God. 
Oh no. 

2389
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:49,600
It's a classic and oh funny 
thing I read and on MDLA comment

2390
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:52,240
was like what do you think is 
happening corporate world 

2391
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:57,200
because she was like or her him.
I don't know that this episode 

2392
02:13:57,200 --> 02:14:01,680
was quite unrealistic, as if in 
this age and time they are still

2393
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:03,760
this kind of harassment at work 
like. 

2394
02:14:04,120 --> 02:14:06,880
Yeah. 
Oh, OK, so let's pause here In 

2395
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:11,520
Korea, there are no anti 
discrimination laws at all. 

2396
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:13,880
So. 
So yeah, I mean, there's nothing

2397
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:17,280
in place to stop this at a legal
from a legal standpoint. 

2398
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:18,600
They can do whatever the fuck 
they want. 

2399
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:19,920
They can say whatever the fuck 
they want. 

2400
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,040
There's no protections for any. 
Citizen, right. 

2401
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:28,120
I'm like, I get it if you have 
like this perfect working 

2402
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:31,560
environment for you, but I I've 
been there. 

2403
02:14:31,960 --> 02:14:35,560
I had bosses say things. 
I'm like, excuse me, I don't 

2404
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:37,040
think you should be saying that.
Sideways. 

2405
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:39,680
That's not good. 
Or interviews where people ask 

2406
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:41,680
me about boyfriends. 
Like you're not allowed to do 

2407
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:42,680
that. 
I'm gonna go. 

2408
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:45,200
Not allowed. 
So we have lost for that. 

2409
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:50,240
And I'm like, this comment just 
shows that some people need to 

2410
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:54,040
do a little bit more research 
before commenting and maybe 

2411
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:58,480
after watching a drama, just, 
you know, type on Google, Hey, 

2412
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:01,240
harassment at work, Korea or any
other. 

2413
02:15:01,240 --> 02:15:02,800
Place what is the culture? 
What is? 

2414
02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:06,040
The Yeah. 
What's the law where there are 

2415
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:09,720
lack of? 
Laws, sometimes the lack of 

2416
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:14,960
understanding how some cultures 
work or laws you see that like 

2417
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:17,000
special dish drama. 
I think some people should have 

2418
02:15:17,240 --> 02:15:21,040
done a little bit of research. 
Right, Yeah. 

2419
02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:24,160
Mm. 
Hmm. 

2420
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:27,320
The next one, not next one. 
We're literally going backwards 

2421
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:31,400
through the drama. 
But episode 6, they have the 

2422
02:15:31,480 --> 02:15:37,400
Korean War vet episode where he 
collects cardboard as an elderly

2423
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:39,200
man. 
This is. 

2424
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:42,760
Again, this is real like there 
is. 

2425
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:47,240
A. 
So many elderly people in Korea 

2426
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:53,240
do this as their job, not only 
cardboard, they pick up and sell

2427
02:15:53,240 --> 02:15:56,960
everything that can be recycled.
They collect plastic boxes, 

2428
02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:01,440
newspapers, books, appliances, 
wooden furniture, everything. 

2429
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:05,480
Elderly poverty in Korea is 
overwhelmingly the highest among

2430
02:16:05,480 --> 02:16:10,800
OECD countries, and they get 
remarkably little for the amount

2431
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:13,120
of work and hours that they put 
in. 

2432
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:19,680
I'm talking like maybe $15 a day
for all of they and they work 

2433
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:21,720
the whole day picking up. 
A cardboard. 

2434
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:25,240
I mean, we even saw like in this
episode, he was not only picking

2435
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:27,600
cardboard, right? 
He had like this trash on the 

2436
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:29,160
side and he was picking 
everything. 

2437
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:31,920
And then when they were green, 
Rivers said, hey, but it's 

2438
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:33,600
dirty. 
It's like, no, it's no problem. 

2439
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:37,440
Just pick it all up. 
And it was like, this is so 

2440
02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:39,360
heartbreaking. 
Like I know that this is a 

2441
02:16:39,360 --> 02:16:41,240
veteran. 
Yeah, this is someone who fought

2442
02:16:41,240 --> 02:16:42,799
for this. 
Country. 

2443
02:16:42,799 --> 02:16:45,200
Like for real, especially in 
Korea has touched us. 

2444
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:48,840
You know, like the war in Korea 
Horrific, right? 

2445
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:53,320
We so many times talking about 
it already, like this man, he 

2446
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:58,240
was fighting for all of you. 
He was always throwing the hat 

2447
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:02,080
when he said why he does that. 
He's like, no, I'm gone. 

2448
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:06,760
Like people, what the fuck? 
This is so heartbreaking. 

2449
02:17:06,760 --> 02:17:09,240
He's like, yeah, I just want 
them to know that I did 

2450
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:11,320
something. 
Yeah. 

2451
02:17:11,639 --> 02:17:13,680
His whole back story was super 
sad. 

2452
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:17,320
The man that he held, the young 
boy, the. 

2453
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:19,120
Man that he helped and then he 
was. 

2454
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:22,440
Yeah, he was. 
He had his own Lieutenant Dan 

2455
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:26,360
moment, and it was resentment 
there and they had to get 

2456
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:30,280
closure out of it. 
And he had to realize that he 

2457
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:33,040
wasn't to blame for ruining his 
man's life, for saving it. 

2458
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:36,840
I think it was also really cute 
when they showed him. 

2459
02:17:37,160 --> 02:17:41,040
So now, you know, like the whole
view of soul and like, hey, you 

2460
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,280
fought for that. 
Without you we would not be 

2461
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:45,160
here. 
It's like, oh, that's cute 

2462
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:49,160
because usually we sometimes 
forget what happened in the past

2463
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:51,080
and what made us get here, 
right? 

2464
02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:56,400
Like Germany has like a huge 
history, horrible history. 

2465
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:59,360
And we do learn a lot about it 
in school. 

2466
02:17:59,360 --> 02:18:01,799
But sometimes we just forget 
that a lot of lives has been 

2467
02:18:01,799 --> 02:18:04,400
lost. 
Just so you know, the way that 

2468
02:18:04,400 --> 02:18:08,200
we live now, I think to the 
people that helped us get here, 

2469
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:12,719
it was super nice to see that 
I'm showing him, yes, cute. 

2470
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:16,840
Uh huh. 
Yeah, when she took him to that 

2471
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:18,559
lookout. 
I don't know what skyscraper 

2472
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:20,840
that was, but it's this giant 
view of soul. 

2473
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,200
And. 
Saying that his life was not 

2474
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:28,040
meaningless and his bravery 
brought about an era of peace 

2475
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:31,480
and this bright future that's 
he's staring out at. 

2476
02:18:31,480 --> 02:18:37,240
And I did cry when all of the 
Reapers came to pay their 

2477
02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:41,320
respects to him. 
I mean, especially because went 

2478
02:18:41,600 --> 02:18:43,920
to ask for help me like, hey, 
can you do this? 

2479
02:18:44,840 --> 02:18:48,719
And Mr. Grumpy was like, no, 
that's your business. 

2480
02:18:49,160 --> 02:18:52,360
I'm just collecting the soul and
my minions can do that. 

2481
02:18:52,360 --> 02:18:56,160
And then he still, you know, got
there with everybody was like, 

2482
02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:57,920
OK. 
He's a good guy. 

2483
02:18:59,400 --> 02:19:04,760
Oh my God, I like was so 
emotional during this and she 

2484
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:08,080
said the director comes too. 
To see him off. 

2485
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:11,680
And she said at the end of her 
little speech, your soul will be

2486
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:13,480
blessed beyond what your life 
has been worth. 

2487
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:13,840
I don't. 
Know. 

2488
02:19:13,959 --> 02:19:16,280
Yeah, no. 
I was crying. 

2489
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:18,200
I was crying. 
So much here. 

2490
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:24,840
And then Rowan is also just 
crying and I love it. 

2491
02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:26,680
This is. 
He was crying a lot. 

2492
02:19:26,799 --> 02:19:30,160
Yeah, but he's crying here, and 
the old man has already passed 

2493
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:33,920
away, and it's his soul talking 
to him. 

2494
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:37,080
And he comes out and says, why 
are you crying when I'm going 

2495
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:39,400
somewhere nice? 
I lost it all over again. 

2496
02:19:39,400 --> 02:19:42,280
Like he cugs Ro Wu and Ro Wu and
salutes. 

2497
02:19:42,440 --> 02:19:44,320
Him I. 
Lost it was a lot for me I'm 

2498
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:49,160
like, Oh my God, that was such a
tiny cute detail because you 

2499
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:53,200
know a lot of the like the 
Korean men have to go to 

2500
02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:55,840
military service. 
So Arun was, Oh yeah, Karun was 

2501
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:57,280
definitely familiar with it, 
right? 

2502
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,880
And usually seeing something 
like that from a country that 

2503
02:20:01,880 --> 02:20:07,360
has this whole respect your 
elders thing, it's so sad 'cause

2504
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:09,720
why you're respecting your 
elders, maybe in the company, 

2505
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:12,800
but not the one picking up trash
in on the street, right? 

2506
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:21,080
Like that was super sad. 
Anyway, So I, I mean, there's 

2507
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:23,840
more, obviously we could keep 
going back through the episodes,

2508
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:28,200
but I think those are the most 
impactful. 

2509
02:20:28,360 --> 02:20:31,520
Yeah, honestly. 
I mean, everything else we 

2510
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,640
already know, right? 
Like the whole bullying, 

2511
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:38,920
celebrity bullying, it's always 
some kind of bullying, right? 

2512
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:43,440
So both episodes are impactful 
as well, but. 

2513
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:46,120
Right. 
I think the only thing that I 

2514
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:50,440
wanted to talk about was some 
sort of, I don't want to say 

2515
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:57,160
lore, but sort of establishing 
like what the conditions of like

2516
02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:01,640
the suicides and the, you know, 
what is fate? 

2517
02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:05,520
What is the coincidence and 
stuff in life, in this in life. 

2518
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:11,520
And let me see. 
So Big Red talks to Rowan about 

2519
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:12,800
this because he's asking 
questions. 

2520
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:18,600
He's he's the audience proxy. 
And so she says, other than 

2521
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:21,760
natural causes, deaths are 
caused by a myriad of outside 

2522
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:25,400
factors like crimes or 
accidents, not karmic debt 

2523
02:21:25,400 --> 02:21:31,040
incurred in people's past lives 
or fate, Which is a huge thing 

2524
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:36,240
to say after he asks why the 
musician in that episode lost so

2525
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:39,640
many people in his life. 
What did he do in his past life 

2526
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:42,920
to deserve losing all of these 
people? 

2527
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:45,720
And she says he didn't do 
anything like there was nothing 

2528
02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:50,560
that he did to deserve all of 
these people dying. 

2529
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:58,160
There was no cars, karmic debt 
that he is is paying for. 

2530
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:03,280
And I just came up of watching 
Autumn in My Heart, which is a 

2531
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:07,520
2000 K. 
I'm talking about the year 2000 

2532
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:12,840
K drama where the tragic ending 
is also deemed a car, a karmic 

2533
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:16,680
punishment for their love flying
in the face of like, Confucian 

2534
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:19,680
ideals, which includes filial 
piety. 

2535
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:26,040
And many K dramas subscribe to 
the somewhat religious idea that

2536
02:22:26,040 --> 02:22:29,360
your life will inform your past 
life will inform your current 

2537
02:22:29,360 --> 02:22:33,240
life. 
And so this is a refreshingly 

2538
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:37,360
modern idea that's so true. 
That takes sin out of the 

2539
02:22:37,360 --> 02:22:39,120
equation. 
Like you didn't do anything to 

2540
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,320
deserve something bad happening 
to you. 

2541
02:22:41,880 --> 02:22:43,720
She basically says like shit 
just happened. 

2542
02:22:43,800 --> 02:22:46,720
Yeah, I mean she really sad. 
Like, yeah, I mean, you can 

2543
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,880
influence how you live your 
life, but you cannot influence 

2544
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:50,560
how other people are living 
their life, right. 

2545
02:22:50,760 --> 02:22:53,240
You have criminals, they decide 
to be a criminal. 

2546
02:22:53,240 --> 02:22:55,600
They are bad people and they 
will of course that maybe at 

2547
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:58,480
some point influence your life, 
but you did nothing to do that. 

2548
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:02,480
When I first heard it was like, 
usually it's not like that. 

2549
02:23:02,480 --> 02:23:05,520
So it was first of all, I don't 
know if I like it, but also I 

2550
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,840
did, even though I thought it 
was a little bit sad for this 

2551
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:11,680
poor guy who has lost so many 
people. 

2552
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:15,960
Like I just wished he was like a
bad guy and was deserving this. 

2553
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:19,960
So it makes sense in my mind to 
not be so heartbreaking, but 

2554
02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:21,720
getting the words he did 
nothing. 

2555
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:26,080
He was just existing, but 
everybody else around him took 

2556
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:28,880
different decisions and that was
it. 

2557
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:31,920
You know the output of like 
heartbreaking but. 

2558
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:33,800
And it affected him. 
Yeah, that's. 

2559
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:36,520
So true. 
But they also introduced the 

2560
02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:39,400
concept of the red string of 
fate in this episode for those 

2561
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:44,600
who are who don't know like what
that is, who have never watched 

2562
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:49,520
a show or any any K media with 
with this concept in it before. 

2563
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:52,840
She says. 
The good thing is, no matter how

2564
02:23:52,840 --> 02:23:56,560
many times those two meaning the
couple in that episode, how many

2565
02:23:56,560 --> 02:23:59,840
times those two are reborn, they
will meet again in the end. 

2566
02:24:00,320 --> 02:24:04,800
Roman asks is that what you call
Inyon, which is in the show? 

2567
02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:08,600
It's translated to destiny. 
Inyon is like this bigger kind 

2568
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:12,960
of concept, but she says people 
who are destined to be with each

2569
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:16,280
other are connected by a red 
thread beyond their souls. 

2570
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:20,920
Unless they break that thread 
themselves, AKA suicide, they 

2571
02:24:20,920 --> 02:24:23,920
will meet that person again no 
matter how many times you are 

2572
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:26,160
reborn. 
I mean, I absolutely love 

2573
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:28,120
everything with the red string 
ride. 

2574
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:31,400
Even like in sea dramas when you
have like the realm and they 

2575
02:24:31,400 --> 02:24:34,600
have like this one person that 
has to deal with marriages and 

2576
02:24:34,600 --> 02:24:37,400
like, yeah, I love you already. 
I don't care. 

2577
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:41,040
So. 
I just love this whole idea. 

2578
02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:44,320
This is the romantic side of me 
and I'm like, OK, having a 

2579
02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:47,040
soulmate, even I don't really 
believe in that. 

2580
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:49,560
I just like the idea of it. 
I think it's such a beautiful 

2581
02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:53,520
idea that you have a soulmate. 
That what, as long as you don't 

2582
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:56,840
make anything to, you know, 
never see this person again, 

2583
02:24:57,440 --> 02:25:01,400
you'll always meet each other 
and the episode with the singer,

2584
02:25:01,440 --> 02:25:03,600
I was just like, OK, they're 
super cute together. 

2585
02:25:04,320 --> 02:25:08,440
They worked so hard and I. 
That could be an entire episode,

2586
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:09,440
could have been a whole K. 
Drama. 

2587
02:25:09,440 --> 02:25:11,920
Oh, for real? 
I was like, yeah, I'm super 

2588
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:13,360
invested. 
I loved it so much. 

2589
02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:16,480
It's like a typical K drama. 
But the girl just said, you 

2590
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:20,640
know, I'm moving in, buddy. 
Yeah, this apartment looks so 

2591
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,360
cozy right now. 
I love that she was. 

2592
02:25:23,400 --> 02:25:24,560
I also loved that she was. 
The. 

2593
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:28,480
Strong one in the relationship. 
She made a marriage proposal. 

2594
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:31,160
I love that. 
When a woman as in marriage, I'm

2595
02:25:31,160 --> 02:25:35,800
like, yeah, let's do that, girl.
Yeah, the whole red string 

2596
02:25:35,880 --> 02:25:36,960
thing. 
I love it. 

2597
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:41,320
So I think I was more intrigued 
by the whole idea of having your

2598
02:25:41,320 --> 02:25:43,800
soul mate in in all of the 
episodes. 

2599
02:25:44,600 --> 02:25:46,480
Yeah. 
Than everything else. 

2600
02:25:47,960 --> 02:25:53,280
Yeah, inion. 
If you scroll back in the 

2601
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:56,160
podcast feed, there's an episode
on the movie Past Lives that 

2602
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:59,920
goes into more detail on what 
inion is because there's a 

2603
02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:01,520
literal definition of it in the 
movie. 

2604
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:05,920
But inion is a Korean word that 
means fate or Providence. 

2605
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:11,440
And this is coming from this is 
scary, but Google AI overview. 

2606
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:13,760
This is the probably the first 
and last time I'm ever going to 

2607
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:18,680
read this out loud because I 
don't like AI, but it's 

2608
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:21,080
specifically used to describe 
the relationships between 

2609
02:26:21,080 --> 02:26:22,200
people. 
It's thought to come from 

2610
02:26:22,200 --> 02:26:25,600
Buddhism and reincarnation, and 
refers to the strings of fate 

2611
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:27,840
that connect people throughout 
their reincarnated lives. 

2612
02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:31,480
For example, if two strangers 
accidentally brushed past each 

2613
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:34,640
other on the street, it could be
considered an inion because it 

2614
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:37,400
might mean they had something in
common in a past life. 

2615
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:39,640
I love. 
That which I think is a direct 

2616
02:26:39,640 --> 02:26:43,560
quote from the movie Past lives 
so that AI is stealing from the 

2617
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:50,440
movie anyway. 
Yikes, you're laughing, but 

2618
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:51,560
yeah. 
No, it's fine. 

2619
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:55,600
Long story short, I wanted to 
say what Indian was because I 

2620
02:26:55,600 --> 02:27:01,800
almost feel like destiny is not 
a good like word to encompass 

2621
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:04,840
the concept of Indian. 
I feel like if you consume a lot

2622
02:27:04,840 --> 02:27:07,720
of media that talks about that 
topic that has people with the 

2623
02:27:07,720 --> 02:27:12,320
whole red string of fate and you
get a yeah, better understanding

2624
02:27:12,320 --> 02:27:14,800
of it. 
Because for me, just really 

2625
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:17,520
like, yeah, I get it. 
But I need to see it work out in

2626
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:19,920
a way. 
And I love how Asian dramas will

2627
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:23,520
always have this in a lot of 
dramas. 

2628
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:25,840
I I just really love this whole 
idea. 

2629
02:27:26,320 --> 02:27:30,000
And I mean, even being not Only 
Connect to your soulmate, but 

2630
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:34,000
people that you knew in your 
past life, friends, family, just

2631
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:35,560
people to have like a strong 
connection with. 

2632
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:38,880
It's such an amazing idea. 
Just even right now, like 

2633
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:40,600
knowing my friends, I'm like, 
hey, you know what? 

2634
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:45,440
Even if it's romantic, in my 
next life, knowing that these 

2635
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:48,680
people could still be around me,
I'm like, yeah, I love that. 

2636
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:50,120
I just love the idea of it. 
It's. 

2637
02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:52,160
It's a nice romantic. 
Idea it's really is. 

2638
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:54,840
I even think about getting a 
tattoo with the whole red string

2639
02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:56,840
going on. 
Oh. 

2640
02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:58,000
Nice. 
I love it. 

2641
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:03,160
It's yeah, it's a really 
romantic concept, but it just 

2642
02:28:03,160 --> 02:28:06,400
works for me. 
Almost not every time. 

2643
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:10,880
I think that's. 
Pretty much the end of my notes.

2644
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:12,840
I mean, there's other things 
like that. 

2645
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:15,000
Obviously the first story was a 
school bully. 

2646
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:17,920
Yeah. 
A story. 

2647
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:25,920
It's each story is successively 
worse so. 

2648
02:28:26,880 --> 02:28:28,280
I mean I. 
Don't know it. 

2649
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:31,480
It was just getting. 
If there's. 

2650
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:35,480
Anything remotely triggering to 
you, it's probably an entire 

2651
02:28:35,480 --> 02:28:41,280
episode of Tomorrow. 
I mean this drama, it's good and

2652
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:44,240
will leave you traumatized. 
Like you will need therapy after

2653
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:47,200
that. 
Yeah, you definitely would need.

2654
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:49,240
That I was. 
My eyes were swollen the whole 

2655
02:28:49,240 --> 02:28:52,480
day because I was crying. 
But also this drama reminded 

2656
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:55,880
reminded me a lot, at least a 
little bit of Hotel de Luna. 

2657
02:28:55,960 --> 02:28:58,320
I don't know if you watched 
that, but I watched it. 

2658
02:28:58,440 --> 02:29:00,680
Yeah, so I dropped Hotel de 
Luna. 

2659
02:29:00,680 --> 02:29:03,840
Yeah, I. 
Watched it because I think I was

2660
02:29:03,880 --> 02:29:07,480
in Hong Kong and they had it 
like on the board thing. 

2661
02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:10,160
I'm like, you know what? 
I want to watch this. 

2662
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,840
I mean, they also did have my 
theorists, but I did not want to

2663
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:15,320
watch it on a plane. 
I want to watch it at home. 

2664
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:17,440
If I have to cry, I want to be 
able to cry. 

2665
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:21,120
I. 
Wanted to cry in the privacy of 

2666
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:22,560
my. 
Own yeah, you know, I don't want

2667
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:24,440
people to see me crying. 
That's embarrassing. 

2668
02:29:24,440 --> 02:29:28,560
We don't do that. 
So but I did see a little bit of

2669
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:31,240
like, you know, resemblance, 
like the main character having 

2670
02:29:31,240 --> 02:29:34,960
to find that one person she has 
to save the whole. 

2671
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:37,480
Each episode had someone with a 
story. 

2672
02:29:37,720 --> 02:29:40,800
I mean, of course, Hotel de 
Luna, sorry if there's a spoiler

2673
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:43,880
for you, but everybody's dead. 
That will tell their story. 

2674
02:29:44,120 --> 02:29:46,200
Yeah. 
And here we are trying to save 

2675
02:29:46,200 --> 02:29:49,440
the people, right? 
It's a hotel for ghosts, Yeah, I

2676
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:51,880
mean. 
And I mean, it was enjoyable. 

2677
02:29:51,880 --> 02:29:54,520
I mean, but I was also in Hong 
Kong watching at it at some 

2678
02:29:54,520 --> 02:29:56,360
point. 
I was more tired than anything 

2679
02:29:56,360 --> 02:29:57,680
after walking around and 
watching it. 

2680
02:29:58,480 --> 02:30:03,000
I did finish it though, I just 
didn't see the chemistry 

2681
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:04,400
whatsoever. 
I don't know what people are 

2682
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:05,760
talking about, but it's not. 
Big. 

2683
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:10,160
Oh, OK, OK. 
So we got more chemistry here. 

2684
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:14,560
And yeah, but I did see like, 
you know, each episode having 

2685
02:30:14,560 --> 02:30:18,720
the story talking about people 
dying or dead or whatever, just 

2686
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:23,040
helping you get through loss of 
or losing someone, trying to get

2687
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:26,240
through life, kind of. 
I did get like a similar vibe 

2688
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:32,160
but that's about it. 
I really like tomorrow and I 

2689
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:35,880
hope that some of these things 
will that we talked about shed 

2690
02:30:35,880 --> 02:30:41,080
light on some of the storylines 
and the back stories and some of

2691
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:45,160
the cultural elements that are 
in the show that maybe flew over

2692
02:30:45,560 --> 02:30:51,360
your head, because I think it's 
important like this is very for 

2693
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:54,840
new K drama fans especially, and
you're watching because you're a

2694
02:30:54,840 --> 02:30:59,080
fan of row wound. 
That's fine, I'm sure Rowan 

2695
02:30:59,080 --> 02:31:02,720
would love for you to understand
fully the context of the show as

2696
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:06,920
well. 
So pretty sure pretty sure I can

2697
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:10,600
speak on Rowan on that thing. 
So I. 

2698
02:31:10,600 --> 02:31:12,800
Think we can speak? 
To the end of my notes in Korea.

2699
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:18,560
No, Yeah, yeah, I quite, I don't
want to say I enjoyed the show, 

2700
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:21,560
but I really enjoyed the show. 
Yeah, if that makes any sense. 

2701
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:24,200
Like it was good. 
I mean, I'm someone who usually 

2702
02:31:24,200 --> 02:31:26,800
doesn't watch things with a sad 
ending. 

2703
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:31,880
I try to avoid that and well. 
It wasn't a sad ending usually. 

2704
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:33,600
How did you feel about that? 
Like? 

2705
02:31:33,640 --> 02:31:35,600
No I I love the ending to be 
honest. 

2706
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:38,840
I it would have been weird if 
they forced them to be together 

2707
02:31:38,840 --> 02:31:39,560
right? 
It does. 

2708
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:41,480
It would. 
I would have dropped it then. 

2709
02:31:42,400 --> 02:31:44,240
You're talking about Big Red and
yeah. 

2710
02:31:44,360 --> 02:31:47,240
Like if there was too much 
romance going on, this would be 

2711
02:31:47,240 --> 02:31:48,880
just wrong. 
It wouldn't have worked. 

2712
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:52,800
But usually I try to avoid 
things that are depressing and 

2713
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:56,200
sad and don't make me, you know,
I did laugh, but I also had a 

2714
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:57,640
lot of tears in my eyes while 
laughing. 

2715
02:31:57,640 --> 02:32:01,800
So usually I try to avoid that. 
But this drama, I was like, you 

2716
02:32:01,800 --> 02:32:04,200
know what? 
I'm so happy and glad that I 

2717
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:07,160
watched it. 
I learned a lot as well, and 

2718
02:32:07,720 --> 02:32:10,800
it's amazing to get like this 
kind of insight sometimes in a 

2719
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:15,400
culture that I'm not part of. 
And I think that even for 

2720
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:17,840
Koreans, especially, talking 
about certain topics like the 

2721
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:21,760
comfort room and women and just 
general the treatment of women 

2722
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:24,640
in society was super important. 
Especially right now. 

2723
02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:27,520
We all know that Korea is 
struggling a lot with that. 

2724
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:33,320
So I love that. 
Entertaining is the wrong word. 

2725
02:32:33,320 --> 02:32:36,680
You're right, but also the 
right, wrong and right. 

2726
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:39,400
It's not black and white, but I 
love that. 

2727
02:32:41,960 --> 02:32:44,080
Mm hmm. 
I think the show's remarkable 

2728
02:32:44,640 --> 02:32:48,280
and it definitely defied 
expectations because I don't 

2729
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:57,240
expect such a deep show with a 
lot of pathos from an idol. 

2730
02:32:57,480 --> 02:33:01,080
Yeah. 
Like an idol star in it, even 

2731
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:06,480
though it's an ensemble cast. 
And I hope that more people 

2732
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:07,960
watch. 
It. 

2733
02:33:09,160 --> 02:33:15,600
But not necessarily like dwell 
in the negative parts of it, if 

2734
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:17,120
that makes any sense. 
Yeah, I get it. 

2735
02:33:17,400 --> 02:33:20,520
I think we should all focus on 
how the people move forward 

2736
02:33:20,920 --> 02:33:22,480
like. 
Like yeah, the thesis. 

2737
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:25,000
Of the show, you know, we can 
all do that. 

2738
02:33:25,360 --> 02:33:27,720
And sometimes a little bit 
listening to other people, it 

2739
02:33:27,720 --> 02:33:30,680
goes a long way. 
Yes. 

2740
02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:34,640
And I that was something about 
the show that I thought was good

2741
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:43,720
was that it's not it's not that 
they are, there's a quote in 

2742
02:33:43,720 --> 02:33:47,440
here about it, but like the 
director was like, it's not that

2743
02:33:47,440 --> 02:33:51,280
they are talking to these people
and what they were going through

2744
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:55,560
was so insignificant and they're
trying to kill themselves over 

2745
02:33:55,560 --> 02:33:58,320
something small. 
It's that no one's talked to 

2746
02:33:58,320 --> 02:34:06,000
them about their struggles, and 
it's the weight of their words, 

2747
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:13,240
of the risk management team's 
words, that is inspiring them to

2748
02:34:13,240 --> 02:34:17,360
live. 
I mean, we never, we just learn 

2749
02:34:17,360 --> 02:34:20,960
that they stop thinking about 
suicide and everything else is 

2750
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:22,400
to them. 
It's not there. 

2751
02:34:22,400 --> 02:34:25,480
I'm telling them stop by, stop. 
It's just, hey, I listen to your

2752
02:34:25,480 --> 02:34:28,240
story. 
Your emotions are valid. 

2753
02:34:28,960 --> 02:34:32,240
Everything that you're going 
through is about it, feel it, 

2754
02:34:32,680 --> 02:34:35,120
and then we're going to work on 
it and you can do it. 

2755
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:41,080
Yeah, Oh, I have the quote. 
So it's episodes 4 through 5 

2756
02:34:41,080 --> 02:34:45,600
around there. 
The The Voice despises people 

2757
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:47,720
who commit suicide, as he says. 
I can't understand why they 

2758
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:51,840
choose death so easily when it 
takes only a few words to give 

2759
02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:55,560
them the will to live again. 
And the director says think of 

2760
02:34:55,560 --> 02:34:58,280
how they must be feeling to 
choose death because no one ever

2761
02:34:58,280 --> 02:35:01,680
said those few words to them. 
I can guarantee you that there 

2762
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:04,680
isn't anyone anywhere who 
chooses death easily. 

2763
02:35:04,680 --> 02:35:10,160
Yeah, and if you think about how
many people commit suicide in 

2764
02:35:10,480 --> 02:35:12,480
Korea, it's a lot. 
Oh yeah. 

2765
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:16,920
I think the show was super 
important for them, for 

2766
02:35:16,920 --> 02:35:19,840
everyone. 
Whoever had that thought or is 

2767
02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:23,200
struggling, I think this is 
exactly it. 

2768
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:28,400
So, yeah, and they say that in 
like episode one, I think the 

2769
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:31,640
director has like a meeting with
all of the heads of the 

2770
02:35:31,640 --> 02:35:35,160
departments and Chuwathong, and 
she's like, we have the highest 

2771
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:38,800
death suicide rate and the 
lowest birth weight. 

2772
02:35:39,360 --> 02:35:41,640
It's embarrassing. 
Like she said, something to that

2773
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:42,800
effect. 
Like get your shit. 

2774
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:43,920
Together, we have to do 
something. 

2775
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:46,320
And also hell is full. 
We cannot be sending everybody 

2776
02:35:46,320 --> 02:35:48,360
kills. 
Themselves to hell like. 

2777
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:55,480
Said hell is like overflowing. 
Yeah, so I it's true. 

2778
02:35:55,480 --> 02:35:58,040
Like this message is for the 
Koreans. 

2779
02:35:58,480 --> 02:36:02,960
I, I feel like we need sometimes
do not forget that Korean dramas

2780
02:36:02,960 --> 02:36:06,640
are made for Koreans. 
So to always look also like, of 

2781
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:11,080
course, it's similar to our 
story maybe, or what we knowing 

2782
02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:15,440
or grew up knowing, just it can 
also apply to us, right? 

2783
02:36:15,640 --> 02:36:20,320
But mainly a lot of those things
are specific to Korea and we can

2784
02:36:20,320 --> 02:36:23,520
never forget that, that 
sometimes some things will be 

2785
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:28,880
for Koreans. 
Yes I agree, so thank you so 

2786
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:32,720
much Pam for going on this 
really hard journey with me and 

2787
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:37,280
talking about really difficult 
topics and re watching a show 

2788
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:40,080
and you're not a re watching 
type of person. 

2789
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:42,440
I really so appreciate it so 
much. 

2790
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:44,760
This was a wonderful 
conversation. 

2791
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:46,840
Pam, where can people find you 
online? 

2792
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:49,640
So first of all, thank you so 
much for having me. 

2793
02:36:49,640 --> 02:36:54,800
It was so fun in a way, 
entertaining, lovely, sad, 

2794
02:36:54,800 --> 02:36:57,000
everything all at once like 
tomorrow. 

2795
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:01,840
And I'm pretty much on every 
social media platform that you 

2796
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:04,680
can find. 
But I would say that I'm most 

2797
02:37:04,680 --> 02:37:08,280
active on Instagram and Tiktok 
if talking about all kinds of 

2798
02:37:08,280 --> 02:37:11,040
Asian dramas. 
And if you like BLS more like 

2799
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:14,880
Thai BLS, Japanese BLS, I'm on 
Twitter very active talking on 

2800
02:37:14,880 --> 02:37:17,680
that. 
Awesome. 

2801
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:20,440
So we'll link everything in the 
show notes for you guys. 

2802
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:23,440
And that's it, we'll be back 
next time. 

2803
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:26,000
That's our show. 
I'm Jessica and this has been 

2804
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,880
the Tebakia Rambles. 
Podcast. 

2805
02:37:57,720 --> 02:37:57,920
The.