I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
friends review Korean dramas and we are back to review tomorrow.
For this episode, I am joined by Pam from at Pam Dramaholic on
Instagram. Pam, how are you today?
Hey, Jazz, I'm fine. How about you?
I'm doing well. We were talking extensively
before we got on about theme parks and my really disastrous
Disneyland Paris outing that I had like over 10 years ago and
how you live in Germany and how I had German food today, which
is highly unusual. I never have German food.
We went out of our way to have delicious German food today and
you were like, wow, that's amazing.
So I just think if you don't know Pam on Instagram, you are a
delight. I love interacting with you on
Instagram, which is the whole reason why I thought it would be
fun to bring you on Tabak and talk about tomorrow.
You were originally cooking dramas, cooking under score
dramas on Instagram because you love to cook recipes that were
inspired by K dramas. So I think you've kind of moved
a little bit away from that, but you still do like a lot of that.
Yeah, look, if you'd watch Asian dramas, right?
Food is always important. It doesn't matter if someone is
sick, if someone is in love, food will always be the main
topic at some point. So I thought it would be like a
perfect combination. But you know, yeah, that's a lot
of work. I did a few videos and then I
realized that, Oh my God, I need not only time, but you have only
one take. Like I messed up a few recipes
while recording or I messed up the audio and that was horrible
because then you have to redo everything.
So I was like, maybe it's time to change a little bit.
I'm still drama obsessed. I love food and I will every now
and then still make some amazing recipes because I just love
cooking Asian food from scratch. So I try to do it from scratch
as much as possible. But let's focus on the drama a
little bit more than on the food.
So maybe I will go to ramen and you know, so true, that should
be fine. That's not a problem with me.
I love ramen. So for those who are not
familiar with your page or or haven't aren't, are just not
familiar with how you got started in in K dramas, why
don't you give us a little bit more info about yourself, how
you got started? What were your first K dramas?
Maybe what are your favorite genres?
And just a little bit. I know sometimes you watch a lot
of stuff, but what are you currently watching?
Oh wow a big question. Like if you don't follow me you
probably don't know my currently watching list is longer than my
watch list probably at this point.
So to be honest I started K dramas because of a friend of
mine. Like she loves K pop and K
dramas and I told her like, I want to watch something similar
to telenovelas. I just miss I'm resilient, so I
really miss that feeling. And then she said, why don't you
start watching K dramas? And my first K drama was
extraordinary. You so kind of fitting for.
Today that is intertwining especially well with today
because obviously. Everything is.
Yeah, Fate. It's fate.
It's faded. And I think I fell in love
because I felt like Extraordinary You was explaining
me a little bit of the world of K dramas.
It did explain to me a lot. So before I even started
watching K dramas, I kind of knew how it works in a way
because my friend was always talking about it.
And Extraordinary You was just perfect for me, at least as the
first K drama, you know, not too heavy on the everything else
that I know, like bullying or whatever.
Just a simple, cute kind of K drama.
And I mean, I did fall in love with Horan at this point, so.
And then I was just mainly following her suggestions.
So of course I watch Strong Woman, Du Bong Soon and then
Crush Landing on You, and they are my favorites.
Kind of like it's really hard for me to pick one.
But those two other ones, that would be like, OK, if I had to
rewatch, I would. They were funny, they were cute,
They just entertained me. And yeah, well, you can see that
I do love my ROM coms, right? Romantic comedies will always be
my favorites. I love giggling and just being
happy that people are falling in love in real life.
I'm not that romantic. So perfect.
I can be fake romantic with the dramas, but sometimes when I
watch too many romantic scenes, I'm like, OK, I need a break.
It's too much now because it's not happening in my life, so I
don't want to see it anymore. So I then just like actually to
watch a lot of horror and action.
I do love that and fantasy elements are always a fun thing
to have for me. I like that.
What are you currently watching? I think I know the answer to
this because. Look.
I follow you, so yeah. I mean, my current obsession is
definitely AC drama, not AK drama at the moment right?
Oh well, it's the double. I guess we have to say that Pam
loves to watch see dramas as well.
And so we bonded a lot over our love for see drama actors and
she would send me a lot of like photos of see drama actors and
tag me in things just, you know, because we're friends.
So friends share. Putting a smile on friends face
is always my pleasure. Yes.
So your obsession currently is. Current obsession, definitely
the double like this is drama. You'll hear a lot about it
because final episodes are coming out and I cannot shut up
with it. But I'm also watching 2 kid
romas, believe it or not. Finally I found two that kind of
entertaining. They are.
Wait, what's the name again? Miss night and day, You know,
another fantasy kind of ROM com thriller action.
I think we will have everything in this one.
And my sweet mobster on vacuum. Uh huh.
Yeah, so I think I'm just watching them because I need
something entertaining because the angsty part of the double is
coming and I cannot deal with it in a halfway like a normal
person usually so. Yeah, I am excited to press play
on the double eventually. I am definitely going to press
play pretty soon because it's ending finally and I hate
waiting for episodes. And also I just can't keep up
with the release schedule of AC drama.
I just can't. That's true.
I heard from Liliana that they released a fast pass for the
double. She was obviously going to get
it. And I was like, that's how they
get you, Liliana. They already got me a few weeks
ago and I'm like, you know what, it was like €3 for me or
whatever, you know, I can totally pay for that.
I will do that for the double as well.
I can't. Yeah.
I'm horrible at waiting. I have no patience whatsoever.
Yeah. So for those who are unfamiliar
with C Drama Land, because you're listening to AK Drama
review episode, some platforms like to release the episode, the
finale episodes early. They are available early, but
you have to pay for them. They're behind a paywall.
So it's the fast pass. Is this paywall?
And it's very low paywall. Like as Pam said, it was like €3
for her and she was like, I'm, I'm doing it like I just want to
see the finale now. Yeah.
And that's how they get you 'cause you're already paying for
the platform. Yes, but also you cannot ever
enter the Internet until you finish this drama, unless you
already watched that, right, 'cause right now, just a few
minutes ago, before we started recording, I saw a spoiler.
I'm like, I'm not dealing with that.
This is if this happens. If this is true, I'm going to be
crying after we record this because I cannot wait.
OK, yeah, well, as you know, for K dramas on Tabak, every review
we do a non spoiler and spoiler section, so you will not have to
worry about being spoiled for tomorrow.
The K drama we're going to review today.
But thank you so much for talking through your experience
in Asian dramas, Pam and welcome to Tabak.
I can't wait to talk about this drama.
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patrons. OK, so before we get into this
episode, I do want to say that this episode comes with a large
trigger warning. This episode and this show that
we're going to be talking about has content related to suicide
especially and sexual assault. A lot of heavy topics will be
discussed and the show tomorrow just dives into these.
So please be aware that we're going to be talking about
suicide especially as well as sexual assault.
So I'll get going on the Wikipedia synopsis because the
other synopses were no good, just no good.
So here we go. Trejun is a young job seeker who
is unable to secure a job through an accident.
He meets the grim weepers Kuriong and IMBR Young Gu, who
have the task of preventing suicide, and works with them as
the youngest contract worker in the crisis management team of
Death Angels. So I was like, wow, Death Angels
is the way that Wikipedia puts it.
So Tomorrow aired in April, from April to May of 2022.
So the show is 2 years old. It is 16 episodes long and it
has a couple of directors. Kim Thee Yun is the first
director. Obviously they've directed
Tomorrow but that's the only K drama that they've directed.
They are mostly a screenwriter and he's also directed some
movies like Accrual, Attendance, Another Family, New Trial, Mr.
Zoo, the The Missing, VIP and written a lot of those movies as
well. The Co director is Sung Chiuk,
he's directed DNA Lover and Kairos.
These are recent dramas like I'm talking Kairos is 2020 and DNA
Lover is 2020 should should be released this year 2024.
So and that's it. That's all that this other
director has done. Kind of feels like these
directors were largely untested to me but especially in the K
drama sphere. Like they are not really TV
directors and then the writers are POC Ji Jung Cha Hyung and
Kemujin is really weird because POC Jack Young is the is only
listed on MDL. She's not listed as a writer on
Asian wiki. Only Kemujin is listed as a
writer on on wiki. It's strange, but this is their
only screen credit ever, so they haven't.
Like I'm not really familiar with all the directors and
stuff, but that's incredible then.
Yeah, like none of these people have a resume that we can
recognize, so it's a little bit strange.
Yeah. But the cast we can recognize,
so. Oh, and if I didn't mention this
before, tomorrow is based on a web tune on Naver by the same
name. So the cast, Let's talk about
Kim Hee Sung, who plays GUI Yong.
She is the team leader. I called her Little Red in my
notes because she has a red hair and red eye shadow.
Yeah, she has done about 10 movies and 19 TV shows,
including someones that I was like, man, I can't believe she
did these. So My Fair Lady from 2003, Faith
from 2012, which is where I recognized her from, I was like,
man, she looks so familiar. She looks so familiar.
When I put the dog together and I saw that she had done Faith, I
was like, Oh my God, that's where she's from.
Faith with Lehman Ho How have you seen that look?
I don't think I've ever seen her before.
OK, that's fine. That's fine.
It The thing is, she had red hair as well in faith.
Yeah. Yeah, she had like this Auburn,
long Auburn hair. And I'll tell you that Faith
Show is from 2012. I watched it when I was airing.
I loved it. Then I rewatched it not long
after I finished it and I was like, wow, this show is shit.
I don't know what I was on like back then.
I was like rewatching shows and realizing like, what was I
thinking a few weeks ago? And I watched this and loved.
It. So faith from 2012 with Imeno
Lord, she has not aged. I mean, she looks stunning when
I first saw her and then I saw her and I'm like, what do you
mean? What do you?
Mean what? What do you mean?
Can I look like that too? And the red health suits her so
well. I'm so sorry.
I love it. It does.
I haven't seen her like at least in Tomorrow, that's where I know
her from right? I love her hair.
Like the colour is just her colour.
It looks amazing on her. She's also been in The Lady in
Dignity from 2017, Room Number 9 from 2018, Alice, Remarriage and
Desires, which is a Netflix show from 2022.
And I've always thought, oh, let me press play on that.
But I think it's a mock Jung. So I've always been like, maybe
not, perhaps not. And then she's supposed to be in
bittersweet hell this year. It's a 2024 release.
Yeah, I I saw that. Did you see it?
OK, maybe. No, I haven't.
Like I'm so behind on some dramas.
I mean, it's OK, girl, you know Alice, you.
Don't have to tell me. You don't have to tell me.
Yeah. Never Ending story is, oh, I'm
behind. So what did you think about her
in this show? She is basically the star of
this show to me. It's her and then everybody else
is supporting her. That's that's that's my feeling
on this. I know it's an ensemble cast,
but I don't know. For me, it's just her.
Yeah, no, for me as well, because I felt like we they got
like a deeper understanding of her at some point.
I really enjoyed her acting. It was a for me, it also felt
like she was like the female Lee that was just, it was about her
at some point, like her dealing with everything happening with
her past, with everything else right now as well.
And I actually enjoyed her acting.
So I would definitely watch something again with her in it.
So for me it was good, but I also don't have anything to
compare it to right? OK, yeah, sure.
But it kind of gave you a taste of like what she.
Yeah. What she's like on screen and
her presence. And you were impressed?
Yeah, I. Was in a way OK, I would have to
see her like in a in a different role.
I like to compare actors with like, you know, like gloomy, sad
dramas with how they deal also with maybe comedy and stuff,
right? Because this, yeah, role I would
say was more serious than like from the other actors, right.
And I feel like if I can see her range a little bit better, I
will have a like a better understanding.
But for now, I enjoyed her. Would definitely watch again.
Yeah. What about you?
I hadn't seen her in over a decade.
So I was like, man, she again, I was plagued by the where have I
seen this person before? Feeling OK?
Yeah, yeah. And then once I finished the
show and I looked it up, I was like, Oh my God.
Of course, she was in this freaking show with Lee Min Ho
and that show Faith, I'll just give you the quick, like, quick
one sentence, like, what's it about?
So this doctor, she's the doctor and present day somehow time
slippage, she gets sent back in time.
And Lehman Hill is this warrior in medieval career.
And so she is kind of a hot commodity because she has all of
this medical knowledge. Yeah, and I don't even remember
anything else about the show like that is as far as the
extent of my. Let's see, I hear time travel.
I'm like, yeah, let's. Skip this one.
No, I understand complete like girl, you don't have to justify
like not liking time slippage stories to me.
I just, it's like rare time travel.
I'm like do it better. Do it better.
I know, I know, I know. Done.
So anyway, I really enjoyed her in this.
I think that the she's also in this, this I I suck at this
because I wish that I had watched more from her, but she's
in this level where she's paired with younger men.
Yeah. And Lehman Ho back then was, I
mean, 10 years ago, he was even younger.
So they were love interest back then.
And she was always older. She's born in 1977 is I think
they're the year that she was born.
Yeah, I don't know. So there was a age gap between
them and I think she's in the same class as Oh my God, What's
the crash course in romance lady?
Oh I I know what you mean but I'm so bad with nags.
But I know I like I. I watched that.
Do you so crash course in romance?
Is. Oh my God, why is her John
Doyon, Don John Doyon, that Lady where she is afforded the
privilege because she's in a class where she's so well
respected that she can be paired with a younger man.
It's like an honor. And I feel like it's the same
with her. I don't think it's a stretch to
say it's the same with. Kimisa no, I can't see that.
Like I watch crush course in romance right?
Wait. It is crash course in romance,
but it's hard because there's the crash landing on you, rolls
off the tongue easier than crash course, and you have to like
redirect your brain when you talk about this.
Just my third language. I'm fighting here.
OK, OK. So yeah.
And then talking about Korean dramas, Yeah, my head is
spinning. OK, Anyways, definitely crash
cursing Romans. I watched it just for fun and I
actually enjoy it when the age of like when the woman is older
and the guy's younger, I actually enjoy this a little bit
more than if it's the other way around.
So and here I don't know, like her love interest.
Can we call her and well. So hold on his.
I feel like it. Was good.
It worked. No, I got the wrong name.
Hold on. No, now I need to know his age.
Now I need to know how old is. He young or old?
No, he's definitely younger than her.
Isa Hyuk is definitely younger than her.
Oh my God. By a full decade by.
A full decade. He's born in 1988.
Oh wow, that's look, I love them.
I fell in love with both of them together.
I know. They were.
They were great, yes. Yeah, I I just love it.
I'm really if the romance is bad, but the, you know, the
woman is older and the guy is younger, not too young though.
If he's gonna act stupid, please go away.
But you know, like a. Proper.
An adult man, an adult and an older woman.
It's pretty hard to find, I know.
But yeah, I I just love that so. So Co star part of the ensemble
cast is row wound, which is I think the main reason why
everybody watches this show. I mean, what do you, what do you
think, Pam? I I mean, I think I commented on
your video, right? I love him.
I maybe a little bit because it was my first drama and he was in
it. He was like the mainly tribe and
I love it, but also my sweet guy.
Can you do something else? Can you do a thriller and be the
bad guy and just be mean Another go and retrieve a boyfriend.
OK, Because yeah, I like his acting for comedies.
It's it's OK, right? It's he seems quite funny.
I guess I know know him personally.
I wish though, but I felt like this role was not so different
from his other roles. And I saw a few more of his
works and there is one that I roll.
I don't know how I finished that and I really wish he did not
pick this one. Do you want to say what?
OK, so I'll just go through his filmography and then I will talk
about him as well without because this conversation needs
to be had it just. I mean, I made a whole video
about this drama because I was like, what the fuck were you
trying to do? Sorry.
OK so Roman plays Jun Wong, he obviously is a former member of
SF9 which makes him an idol. I still consider him an idol
even if he's quit the band. Technically, he quit only last.
Year, I think it's. 2023 is when he announced he was taking.
A. Protracted break.
He's 63. He's giant.
He looks tall in everything I've seen him in, he looks giant.
And he's now 27 years old. He has been in quite a few
dramas. He's been in School 2017 and
obviously the year 2017. The school series that has come
out of Korea is very famous for creating stars.
People that you see in the school series, very high chance
that they will become famous. They will become Hollywood
stars. And if you look back at the
school series, you'll be surprised.
Just dead ass surprised. Yeah, not that those shows are
amazing, like some are probably great, but I know word of
caution. They're usually the first jobs
out of out of college. You know what I'm saying?
Like out of idolhood is like they get in the school series.
But anyway, about time. He's been in that show from
2018, where stars land from 2018 same year.
And then we hit extraordinary you from 20/19, which was your
first K drama. It is Co directed by one of the
directors of True Beauty, so there's that connection.
And then? The other director of
extraordinary you directed my Mr. Oh, I haven't watched this
one yet. Oh shit.
OK, well, highly. It's on my like look, it's high
on my list then a lot more but. Definitely watch my Mr. So it's
almost like lobster and Skittles situation.
You had like 2 vastly different directors specializing in two
different genres, almost two different tones and they mash
them together and they made them work on Extraordinary.
I don't know how they made them sign up on this together, but
Extraordinary and maybe they're friends.
Extraordinary you in 2019 and then we have She Would Never
Know from 2021. There is a Patreon episode up if
you want to hear my final thoughts on that.
Spoiler alert, not very good. My thoughts were not very
positive. It's what I mean to say.
The King's affection from 2021. I dropped that at episode 13.
OK. But I don't like the ending
though I have beef with. It.
Yeah. So then you have beef with it.
Wonderful. I mean, that's sarcastically
destined with you from 2023. That's the show.
Yeah, there it is. That's the one.
That's Oh my God, no, we could cancel this one, I'm pretty
sure. I don't know, I started watching
it because, you know, I said I love fantasy in ROM coms, but it
was giving me nothing except pain.
I was watching it. I'm like, did you get lost at
some point? This is still fantasy.
I was no, I was generally confused.
I was watching it like OK, now I'm confused if this what's
going to happen, it's still fantasy, is it?
I felt like really they got lost.
They just didn't know what to do.
They were starting off right? I mean, remember, there was a
scene, if you haven't watched it yet.
So I'm just going to say like, so I think it has been on the
Internet. Everybody was like, oh, my God,
this is so nice. It's so hard.
And they're like, OK, I also like it, you know, like this
bloody hand on the red hand in episode one.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I'm like, oh, wow. Do I finally get my ruin being a
little more serious, a little bit, you know, just doing
something different. No, you went into full golden
retriever back again like this was one second and that's why I
started the show and now I wished I'd never seen it.
I watched the drama and people, please, that was not good.
You cannot convince me that was good.
They got lost with the plot and my ruin is once again playing
the same stupid boyfriend and I got.
And then most recently he was in the Matchmakers, also a 2023
show. I think it made me started in
2023 and end in 2024. I don't have a good track record
with with Rowan shows, which is the entire reason that I thought
let me watch tomorrow because I was talking to people.
People were like, well, maybe you should watch tomorrow.
Tomorrow's his best work. Tomorrow's the best thing he's
been in. It's so good, yadda, yadda,
yadda. So here I am, I watch tomorrow.
But I have to say, I decided to put out this question on the
socials. What do we think of Rowan as a
leading man in K drama? Is he everyone and their mom
said, oh, he's so beautiful, He's so hot.
All these different fire emoji, the heart eyes emoji,
everything. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes,
yes, I know this I but tell me, can he acts?
What do you think about his chops, his talent?
Is he more than a pretty face? Because I'm concerned about the
intersection of talent and, you know, beauty, right?
I would love for everyone who's on screen to like deserve to be
there and the K drama industry, the K pop industry, hell, all of
Korea is very vain, pretty privileged, is rampant and is
roboon. I mean, one of these people that
do we have do we I I see the gears turning in your head, fam.
And The thing is, I didn't want to come out and say I don't
think he's a good actor, blah blah, because it's not that the
that's not the case at all. I just want to know what's the
consensus? And The thing is, it was a mixed
bag, completely mixed bag. Everyone was like, I don't think
he's a good actor or I think he's improved or I love him.
I love his acting. He's such a great comedic actor.
Everyone agreed baseline that he's a great comedic actor.
And I'm like, OK, so we need him in something else.
He's been typecast. You're saying he's been
typecast? Yeah, yeah, he has.
And I mean, I wouldn't say that he's like, he's amazing actor.
Like I love him. Yes, I do, but more because I
know that he can do comedy so well.
I feel like it feels authentic, right?
In a way. But I think he needs to stop
doing ROM coms for a bit. Do a movie that's a little bit
darker, do something that's not him being the golden tree
boyfriend. Because if I watch the Kings of
Action and I enjoyed it, ignoring the end, and then
again, he is always the simp. He is always the simp boyfriend.
I'm like, that's cute and all, but you cannot like, I hate
actors that are always the same. I'm like, yeah, OK, I saw this,
but you're playing the same character again, just with a
different name in a different series.
So yeah, I did like him a little bit more in Tomorrow than in
Dustin with you. And I do think that ignoring the
fact that Extraordinary you is my first OK drama, I would put
tomorrow's definitely on his words, at least that I know like
on being the number one, to be honest, definitely better than
whatever he did and Dustin hit with you and everything else.
I agree with the people. I agree with the people.
I agree with the people because I see improving.
Right. I see improvement.
Like personally I've seen she would never know.
I've seen, I've seen King's Affection even if I dropped it
at episode 13. I've seen Destin with You even
if I dropped it again a late episode, but I saw a lot of it.
I don't think that I dropped these because of his acting, and
I don't think that I disliked the shows because of his acting.
Even if I finished, she would never know.
I was kicking and screaming like all the way to the finish line
on that one. And it was not because of
Rowan's acting. It was literally because of
writing, because of Female League, because of everything
else. And to me that says like, oh,
he's not really the issue, but maybe he still is because he's
choosing these shit gay dramas. Yeah, I always wonder, like,
does he not feel comfortable playing darker roles or does he
not get it because I mean, his face does not look like a
villain, you know, like his Co star.
Wait, Lisa yuk, sorry. You know, you look at that man
and he whatever. Yeah, he can do the villain.
And I was still back for him, so, you know, everyone on my
knees for him. But Rowan is still a cutie pie.
This man is so tall, everything he does will look kind of
clumsy. It doesn't.
But yeah, he needs something else to improve a little bit
more. Yeah, I think he.
And The thing is, there's another, I hesitate to say
actor, but it is an actor, another actor from SF9 who's
been acting since he was a child, and he doesn't have the
same opportunities as Romun has had simply because of what?
Like 'cause he doesn't look like Romun.
Yeah, that's Korea. Sometimes we are then not
aspired. And they came from the same.
Need an end? Yeah, yeah.
Like you can literally compare them.
It's kind of hard not to compare.
But to be honest, I only know him as an actor, right.
I didn't know that he was an idol before or was still at a
time. And when I saw him singing and
dance, I'm like, yeah, don't. And like, keep singing, maybe
just don't dance because he's really tall.
And when I saw him video him next, I'm like, acting is good.
Good choice, buddy, good choice. Do it again.
So Roman, funny story though, I was watching it on the big TV in
my family room, but tomorrow I was watching the show tomorrow
on the big TV in my family room and I was like debating, like it
is he? I was like, is it just me?
I think he's attractive. Like I think Roman is
attractive, but I put it up to Solomon, my sister.
So I told my sister and I said, hey, look at the screen.
Do you think that guy is attractive?
And it took a minute, 'cause, you know, I'm not pausing it or
anything. I'm just like letting the drama
go. And finally Rowan shows up like
that guy and it takes 2 seconds. She's like, I can't really tell
because he's had so much work done.
And I was like, you know what? Fair, fair.
Fair enough, fair enough. You know what?
Fair. We have such a skewed view,
yeah, of what is attractive and what is not because we've just
been been exposed to the Korean aesthetic.
Yeah. And beauty standard for salons.
That's so true. But literally my sister was
like, yeah, like I see had a lot of work done.
I can't really I hard to tell. Yeah.
I always say like. Damn.
Actors, when it comes back to saying like they're attractive,
I always be like, OK, they're attractive.
And the type of guy that I would talk to to, you know, ask for
the number, I would go on a date.
Another guys I think are like just attractive, being pretty.
I and I'm like Rowan is always in the middle.
Like I, I can't tell, like he looks pretty and he's really
attractive. Would he be my type, though?
I don't think come on, Especially because I don't like
tall guys. So I'm like, that's a giant for
me. 63. Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, he's improving. Yeah, maybe he will get.
He chooses shit projects. You can't tell me otherwise.
Like I'm convinced and for real, he's had a couple of wins, but
like I. Will call the manager and be
like, no, let's not do this again.
We're switching up baby. Yeah.
All right, so we're moving on to you.
We already talked about him briefly because he was born in
1988. Isuhiuk, who plays Jung Gill,
the escort team leader. Slash, I have him here as the
voice slash ABS because he just I don't know if you saw the
recent. Of.
Course I saw it. Oh.
The photo shoot that came out. Recently I opened my phone.
I'm like. Oh my God.
This is this is a lot. Should I post it now?
I'm going to get should. I post it same.
Well, I'm like, you couldn't take it away from me.
Like the carousel was like, I was like flipping back and forth
and then flipping back the other way and I was like lost, lost,
lost my train. Flat no.
So anyway, he's been in about 5 movies, 20 TV shows including
Tree with deep Roots, which I was like wow that's a very
iconic saga. Historical K drama from 2011
high school King of Savvy, which I was like whoa I forgot he was
in that Scholar Who Walks the night from 2015.
This is where I saw him first, and this is where I saw him
last. Because.
He's just kind of been a presence in, you know, K media
for so long, but I forgot. This is where I watched him
legitimately. Like, this is where I saw him on
screen. Scholar was tonight.
He played a vampire and I was like, yeah, that fucking tracks.
Like. He when he came out.
Of I mean, who else would play a vampire?
Yeah, he played Vampire. Cree is the name of his
character. Yeah, he's When he started
talking, I vividly remember hearing him speak for the first
time. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you cannot
forget that you. Can't forget it 'cause it just
doesn't match his face, his body, anything.
So he started talking and I was like, Jesus Christ, is that the
is that for real? And it's absolutely for real.
That's his deep ass voice emanating from this body.
I don't. I just don't know so.
For me, it's like it was my first work with him.
Like I've seen clips or of the scholar who walks the night,
Right. So of course I've seen the
clips. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm like, Oh my God. Wow.
I need to watch this drama. But I'm like, I don't know if
Koreans can do vampire. Well, I I just don't know.
I don't see it at some point. I don't know why, but I yeah, so
I can't. Every vampire show I've seen
from Korea is like, all right. It's never like, I don't know
because I've seen so much vampire shit in my life.
It's it's never. I love vampires and if.
You're going to mess with vampires.
Do it right, do it right, do it sexy.
Like do it, you know, I mean, not that he wasn't sexy in the
in the. Oh no, Scholar was like, I saw
one clip. I'm like, whatever, I'm just
going to watch whatever till the end of the day.
Sold. You got me there.
Got me so he was in that lucky romance.
Sweet Stranger and me do metro service from 20/21.
Empress Wu is coming out this year 2024 and S Line as well.
These are two projects that he has coming out in 2024.
What did you think of Isukiok and his role in Tomorrow?
Just. Instantly, like, are you mushy
girl? Oh my God, of course.
Look. If he was in front of you right
now and we'll like when he was absolutely mean to her like to
gurion. I was like yes to me too.
Now please be angry at me. I also did something wrong.
Hello I also. Did something wrong?
No, I I loved it. I don't know if it was because I
mean of course it was because of his voice, right?
I do love a deep voice. So watching my sweet mops.
So right now is also amazing for my ears.
And then I saw him like, OK, he is attractive.
And this voice is a cherry on top.
Like this man could tell me everything.
He could be lying, gas lighting me.
I don't know. I vote for him.
I don't care. I don't care.
It's fine.
Let's forget feminism for a second, OK?
Oh. My God, Pam.
I'm so sorry, but I I really love deep voices.
And when he started talking like, oh, the drama just got so
much better and all like, I love you Roan, but you just lost.
You just lost. Roan never heard of him.
Yeah. Who's that?
Yeah.
And the chemistry with our girl Kurian.
It was just amazing. Yeah.
So I fell in love with both. I was like, Oh my God.
Yes. Always on screen please.
Like he's so mean, but he's so mean.
Yeah, but. I.
I forgive. Him.
Oh my gosh. So he's, yeah, he's in there.
You know I love red flags. Look at what I posed.
There is no way I would not love him.
I know, you know, The thing is like that's why we bonded
initially is like because we like the same red flags
characters, characters we understand.
I don't want to hear this like really is like, oh, these people
are so toxic, blah blah. How can you like so and so?
It's like it's a fictional fucking character.
Yeah, I don't like my excess are worse, so I don't know people.
It's like. Keep it in perspective, yeah.
So yeah, we'll just move on for now.
But the last person we want to highlight on the cast list
before we get into our general thoughts is Yun Jion, who plays
IM Ryungu. He is part of the escort team,
He rounds out our trio, our three Musketeers, and he's done
about four movies and 20 TV shows.
When I saw his resume, I was shocked.
Shocked, I thought. I've never seen him before.
Why are you in everything? He's been in everything and I
thought, this is how you this is a true resume.
Like when I looked at his resume, I was like, this is a
real person who has no connections, not an idol who has
literally worked their way up through bit parts in TV shows
that are actually of notoriety. Like he's picking really great
scripts and being someone like a nobody in the show versus
getting a shit script and being someone big, like taking a
larger part in the show. You know what I'm saying?
So he was in memory from 2016 as assistant director, not even a
named character, our gab Goon stranger.
He was in episodes three and four of the season one of
Stranger, which we covered just recently on the podcast.
You can scroll back. Yeah, amazing show.
He was in hit the top as detective, a detective character
in hit the top Mr. Sunshine. He was in a student soldier not
even named character in Mr. Sunshine, where stars land
security check employee be melodramatic VIP psychopath
diary memorist sweet home. The first season he was in an
episode 4 so many things. The witches diner GD sun this
show tomorrow, my lovely liar. Most recently he played Duk Tron
duk Tron and then he's got a couple projects coming out this
year. Love love next door
serendipities embrace. I love to see this type of
resume, I love to see this type of filmography that you don't
see this that often anymore. I was so surprised because I
watched My Lovely Light. I'm like, what do you mean?
He was there because I watched the show.
It was airing. I was watching it so I was like,
Oh my God, I need to rewatch it just to see where he was.
And he's, I think, 33 years old. Oh, that's, I look kind of young
in a way. That's a lot of work.
This one has been working a lot. Yeah.
I love it. I wish.
I want to see him more to be honest and I.
Want to see him more? Enjoy his character.
Yeah, yeah. I think it's high time that he
gets more responsibility on a show.
And when you compare him to Rowan, you start to get a little
like, OK, yeah, I guess you start to raise.
You start to raise your eyebrows.
A little bit, yeah. I mean, I think I need like a
compilation of all his scenes and other dramas just to see
like, yeah, that would be amazing to see.
Like, you know, his development and how he definitely played,
played so many different characters.
He learned a lot. Yeah, and just being on those
sets for, you know, probably a day or so, just doing those
scenes and stuff, playing bit parts.
I, I really, I think he should be bigger than he is.
Yeah, for real. So we also have Kim Heisuk the
Great Kim Heisuk as the Jade Emperor, the King of Heaven.
And other than that, there are also other names that come out
throughout the series in the cases that come up in each
episode, but we are not going to go over them.
So without further ado, Pam. What did you?
Taking this long, but Pam, what do you think of tomorrow?
What are your general thoughts? About the show, yeah.
So I mean, I did rewatch it for this episode, right?
So I watched it while it was airing and at that time I was, I
mean, it was COVID time already, right?
It's 20. 22 Summer Yeah 2022. Yeah, still kind of COVID
happening and a lot was going on in my personal life and I was
watching this one and I could resonate with it a lot, right?
So many things that was similar to my life that I also
experienced in a way or just know from other people.
So I was like, oh wow, this is so much.
I did cry a lot. I usually don't cry that easy.
It's really hard to make me cry with dramas before.
So my friend is triggered even easier.
So. But now that I rewatched them,
like some episodes were kind of boring and I'm like, oh wait,
why did I cry here? Why was I crying?
There's nothing to cry about. Like it's sad, yes, but why was
I crying? Though Oh my God, I remember.
Yeah, the 1st watch is always a little bit more emotional to be
honest. It's so much I'm like yeah, it's
not that deep like it is, but it's also not sometimes and but
I still enjoyed it. I still love this drama.
I just would not rewatch it like for third time.
I usually don't rewatch dramas at all, but I would definitely
recommend this one if you're in A.
OK. So you would recommend it space?
Yeah, I would to be honest, but only if you like to see how
people from different country from a different country work
around with mental health. Well, because I feel like they
talked a lot about it and what's important for Korea, right?
If you don't know Korea or a little bit of about their
culture, you will be like, what the fuck is that?
What is this? It's, it's a yeah.
It's so hard to watch it if you're someone who gets
triggered easily and there's so many triggers that has have not
been set in the beginning of an episode.
I was like, you should, you should have added that.
But if you're not in the right space in your mind, you will
lose it a little bit. Sometimes it's way too harsh.
The way they were talking. It triggered me sometimes like,
oh, wow, people, calm down. We're talking about serious
things here. We cannot say that.
I get why they did that, but yeah I would definitely only
recommend to people that can deal with this kind of topics.
Yes, I I agree with you and I think that we had the same read
on the show as a matter of fact, and that we have the same
personality. I think when it comes to our
drama habits and the way that we approach content.
I don't rewatch dramas usually. It takes a lot for me to cry in
a drama. Usually if if I cry, I just tear
up and then I consider that I cried, but I didn't cry.
I just like got really sad and I teared up.
But it wasn't like I'm like, you know, noses running.
I need a box of tissues kind of crying.
Almost never. Hardly ever.
Yeah, same. So exactly, that's what I'm
saying. Like we're the same.
And there were a lot of moments, especially in the front half
that I thought, whoa, this would never fly If like, I'm not a
crisis counselor and I have no idea how to deal with someone
who's suicidal. But it's it seems like this was
the wrong approach. Like from from jump.
I was like, this seems like the wrong way to go about trying to
save somebody who's on the verge of just killing themselves,
right? And that like that was
triggering in and of itself. Like I it was tough to watch as
well, especially in those early episodes.
But I think that the show was sort of ground breaking and it
covered some topics that are really difficult for people to
face and controversial topics as well that people don't like to
talk about and consume in their media.
And I think ultimately I would recommend it as well.
Not sure that it's rewatchable, but I think it's certainly has
merit to watch all the way through at least once.
Yeah. And I love the characters and I
love the story. And I think I saw some
complaints saying that people kind of they felt like, oh,
there could be less time spent on the cases and more time spent
in like Jomandong and the underworld area with the
characters that you've come to know and love, like the Rowan
and, you know, The Three Musketeers, as I called them
before. And I don't know if I agree with
that so much. I feel like the writing was was
pretty tight and it almost felt like there was more content than
they fit into 16 episodes, if that makes any sense.
Felt like a longer show than 16 episodes almost in a good way.
Like wow, they did all this and it was only 16 episodes?
Yeah. I mean, I, I also don't think
that we should focus more like on the whole heaven.
I mean, there was a religious aspect to it, right?
We cannot ignore that it was really Catholic driven.
Oh, I thought it was Taoist. Very Taoist.
For me, it was maybe because I'm not familiar with it, but I grew
up Catholic, right? And the whole suicide is a sin
is something that you learn right away in Catholic or in
Catholic school, like church school, whatever.
That's I grew up with that. So that's what people that are
Catholic usually believe, that if you do that, I mean, you can
even be buried in the Catholic cemetery.
If you did. Suicide, right?
And I was like, Oh, my religious drama is calling.
Wait a little bit. Stop it because I.
I understand totally where you're coming from, that you're
going to find a lot of commonalities.
Like, not commonalities, but you're going to like, you can
identify with a lot of the lore, for lack of a better word, in
the show based on where what you're familiar with.
And you grew up Catholic, and the suicide thing in Catholicism
is is a thing. It really is.
So when they started calling it like a sin and, you know, like
Lee Isuhiok's character hating it like, so much, Yeah.
Like, he's not even trying to understand the people.
Like I was so mad at him in the beginning.
Right. Dude, can you just listen?
Yeah, yeah, why don't you get it?
But also all the episodes, every time they were telling a story,
I was always glad that we also got to understand each character
a little bit more. Like the nose picking, right?
Yes, We got to understand why he does it because I was like, can
he stop? This is absolutely disgusting,
right? And then you got so intact.
Yeah, every time. And he was touching people and
like. Yeah.
I saw that, but I loved. It.
And just the approach sometime like the first episode, right,
Right in the beginning, how Gurion starts talking to the
people. I'm like you, you just want to
push them at this point. Why not just push them because
you guys are pushing them? Because I was like, oh.
My gosh, it was really harsh. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it.
I I still say that I understand where she was coming from and
why she was doing it that way. But she I was like, that's too
much. I was acting like Rowan in all
episodes, like you. Don't do this.
Rowan is the audience proxy, yeah.
Which definitely. Is very easy to play because
he's just sort of standing in for the audience and he is the
bridge. Yeah, I mean, I felt like this
made it a little bit easier to understand a few things because
every time you had a question, sometimes you would ask it like,
why are we doing? Yeah, I'm like, oh thank God
someone else because I lost now. Yeah, I thought that coming from
watching so many sea dramas, this was very easy to
understand. The Taoist aspect of the show,
which is Who is this Jade Emperor?
Yeah. Why is there this whole thing,
you know, this whole hierarchy and who are the Grim Reapers?
And the mythology of it was very familiar.
And also if you've watched older fantasy cage dramas like Goblin,
for instance, this whole setup of the Grim Reapers, again, is
very familiar. Yeah, you're looking at me a
little bit weird. Why?
Let's Goblin. Yeah, I'm gonna finish it at
some point. OK, you're one of those.
It's fine. You're not gonna I know what you
think and you're not gonna like what I think.
It's. Fine, I.
Yeah, but I do love the whole green Reaper.
Yeah, it's totally fine. I'm.
Just referencing the grim Reaper thing I.
Don't give a shit. If you like the.
Show No I. Really.
Like, yeah. Usually green reapers are one of
my favorite type of characters to be honest.
OK. Just like the way they're
portrayed sometimes I read The Book Thief right where you read
the point of view is from death itself, about during the World
War Two. So since then I've been
intrigued by this kind of character where the Green Reaper
is, you know, coming to a person and either collecting the lives
and so whatsoever. I just like the concept of it.
Like the idea. Maybe that's the Catholic in me
talking. No, I like that.
I like the death personified aspect of Grim Reapers, and once
you throw a personality on them and that they had former lives
and that they remember them and stuff, it becomes really complex
and compelling to watch and that's what the show does.
I think the the world itself almost reminded me of like Men
in Black or like John Wick, where there's like this
underworld that you have no idea you're just living your life and
you have no idea that there's like a secret society fighting
off aliens. And in this case, you have no
idea that there's this unseen underworld that is constantly at
work collecting souls and ushering them into the
afterlife. And they treat it as a business.
They call it the company. It's like corporate.
Yes. And the Jade Emperor is the
director, and it's all like sort of segmented.
And in the world that Rowan's character is coming from Junoon,
he is trying to find a job, right?
Like he's trying to enter a company.
And I liked the fact that they presented it as a company.
They it's sort of an interesting concept that it's treated like a
business. I mean, I think it also made
people understand it, maybe a little.
Bit more because very simplistic.
I mean, at that time I remember I was also looking for a job.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I want to die and then have to
work again, But I don't have a job right now, so maybe.
That's the better choice, I guess.
Yeah, who knows? Right, right, right.
But I just loved it, like the whole suit and all the
characters like the. The.
He wasn't a twin. The one elderly man, Adarshi,
that was always appearing like the same guy and then he has
like he was like 8. What's it called?
The quadruplets? I don't know.
I. Know what you're talking about,
but yeah, yeah. I just love something like, I
usually love that, right? It was just, it was fun to
imagine, like heaven. In this case, as a company,
like, yeah, maybe it is. You know, well, a lot of people
cannot just be hanging around over there, right?
Just gonna chill, right, right, right.
I liked it a lot and I think the show worked for me largely.
Yeah. And that the risk, they're the
risk management team. I mean, it's just like really
clever. I I found it really clever, but
yeah, I. Mean, I work in corporate.
I loved it. It was, I'm like, yeah, pretty
much corporate life, just haven't.
Corporate. Life just underworld and.
Yeah. Yeah, they have like viruses and
stuff that infect their system and they have to.
All that stuff is just like, OK, I guess.
Sure. I mean, they have like a team
that, you know, the designer team, then a sales team now that
sort of hilarious. I mean like, what do you mean
you're going in their dreams and make them sign a contract?
What do you mean? When they're on.
Their. Left it's just so like
manipulative anyway, so we both like the show.
Probably wouldn't rewatch the show.
Very heavy-handed at times the show.
Definitely. OK.
Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, very triggering.
Super triggering. Did any of the Did you like the
pacing of the show 'cause you kind of said that the front half
bothered you? Do you mean like the pacing or
just the substance of the stories and the way they handled
the cases? It was more about how they
handled the cases. Sometimes we did get like a few
flashbacks, right? And I was like, OK, can we know
what we're doing now? Sometimes it was a bit fast.
I'm like, I don't know. I, I still cannot pinpoint it,
right? I'm like, it was right, but also
maybe a little bit slower or faster.
Some scenes would have been nice, but it worked for them in
my opinion. It worked for their stories, the
way they were trying to tell it. I think it worked.
I think the first half of the show was slow to me.
Yeah. And it was hard to get into.
See that? Yeah.
I, I think it was hard to get
into, even if the stories were good.
I was just finding myself, like, I was like looking everywhere
above the screen, you know what I'm saying?
It wasn't until the later episodes, like episodes.
Once I got halfway through, like episode eight, I was like, OK,
let's go look, I'm invested. But it took a while to get
there. I did see a lot of those
comments on MDL to be honest. Oh well, OK, enjoy reading them
sometimes for fun and. So do I because some of them are
like really unhinged and other wasn't like a thesis.
Yeah, some people write way too much.
I'm like, it's not that deep. Right, right.
Anyways, I saw a few people saying that, but I actually do
not remember when I watched it for the first time.
It's been so long. So for me it's really hard to
say. Oh yeah, definitely like that
because it's my second time, so I already knew what I wanted to
see and what I had to expect, right?
Yeah. So maybe while I watched the
first time, I do not remember it being too slow for me.
I can only talk from my point of view as is.
Watching it for the second time, just some episode was like, OK,
let's move on, We can continue now.
Right. Did you guess Guiyang's back
story at all without going into spoilers?
I don't want to spoil anything, but you did.
I did a little bit, especially the colors, they were very
telling. But there was some, like in the
beginning I was switching my opinions.
I was like, oh, maybe it's different than what I'm
thinking. And I was like, Oh yeah,
definitely a history. Interesting, interesting.
But I want a whole miniseries. She, she died during the
invasion of Chang or something. And I was like, oh, I know
what's going to happen. Because.
Especially because after coming off of 2023 and watching my
Dearest yeah, the Invasion of Change should just be ringing
alarm bells in all of our heads now.
It is such a huge moment in Korean history.
And she's been alive for exactly like 400 and something years.
And I was like, we're going to go back there.
It's going to be a shit show. And sure enough, her back story
is really intense and we see that in It was late episode 14
was when we finally see the full picture of everything that
happened to her and everyone who's related to her.
I'm really trying to like keep it under wraps in case someone
wants to watch tomorrow and not be spoiled.
So so you guessed some of it. We'll go into like what you
guessed in the spoiler section. So I wanted to kind of tease
that. Did you?
Were there character arcs that really spoke to you in the show?
I don't think that Rowan's character had much of an arc
other than sort of an acceptance, a general acceptance
arc. Yeah, I don't think I had like
anyone else was like, Oh yeah, this one.
I think I could just resonate a lot with parts of Rowan's
character. Well, I was like, yeah, the
whole job finding thing at this, because I remember I was at
this, you know, it was COVID. I just finished my bachelor's
trying to find a job was horrible.
And I was like, yeah, I also have like my family that it's
not that I have to support them, but it's a big part of me and I
was struggling to show, hey, I'm not that fine.
It's it's a lot right now. So watching it, I remember being
like, yeah, I, I totally get all those people that are, you know,
either working in a job they don't like or being accepting
thing they shouldn't accept or just trying to get something.
Especially like the episode with his best friend.
Oh yeah, that was an early episode too.
Yeah, it, it was way earlier than I thought it would happen,
to be honest. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I get
that feeling like, you know, the whole trying and trying and
trying and not getting where you want to be.
I could resonate with that a lot.
So this was more like certain people had some a tiny bad I
could resonate with. Right, Right.
Usually, yeah. Did you have anyone I.
Think I really loved the later episodes, and this has nothing
to do with me resonating like me.
It's me empathizing, not me sympathizing because I'm not a
mother. But like, the motherhood thing
in the later episode, yeah, I was like on the floor, laid up.
I was wrecked. And so that's Ryongu's stuff.
Like his Oh yeah stuff. Oh my God, I was wrecked.
Wrecked toe up I feel like. Tomorrow had a lot talking about
women in society. Absolutely.
And that's what I. Liked.
About it. Yeah, I loved it.
Like, there was a lot of focus on how women are treated in
society in general. And I really love that aspect,
to be honest. It was like, yeah, open people's
eyes, please. Yeah.
Yeah, so just a lot of episodes were really good.
And then I think when they started intertwining some stuff
for the characters, I was like, Oh my God, this is great.
I love the strength from Guriong and how she's just sort of like
a battering ram of a person in her episode 14 back story
flashback sequence, if you will, is takes over the entire episode
is literally the whole episode and it's stunning.
Like I thought that besides the production value being really
high, I thought that some of these sequences that they had
were really impressive and historically accurate.
I don't know much about how his credit is, but I love that.
Like, what I especially loved is that they did not just, you
know, show the whole story through 16 episode, but they
made sure that each character got their own episode.
Like Ingu is it, what's his name again?
Nose picking guy. Yeah, right.
So he got his episode so we could properly focus on his
story without focusing too much on other things.
And then we got her story also in one episode, because I think
it would not have been fair to tell her story just through tiny
bits and bits. And then you have to put it
yourself together. You were like, no, you got to
see what happened to understand. And then making him also see it.
It's so hard to not tell what's so hard.
I love that. Like, I feel like I wouldn't
have liked it that much if I had to guess.
Put it all together like a puzzle.
Like you got hints but then you still got everything in one
episode. Right, I I agree with that and
that'll contributes to me feeling the pacing is pretty
good for the whole show and that they covered so much in almost
so little time. They could have cut it down.
Like obviously they can always cut out stuff and it'd be fine.
They could have made it a 12 episode show, but I feel like 16
is fair. Really fair.
And I mean we have K dramas with 16 episodes almost like a whole
movie and they tell us nothing. Oh, and I think each episode was
like one hour, right? Yes, one hour.
And I'm like, yeah, that was perfect.
It was not too long. You still got kinda like for me,
it was not too long. I agree.
But and yeah, so because if it was like 16 episodes, 1 1/2 hour
long, been 10. So I'm looking at you.
Oh my God, call it out. You don't have that much to
tell. Call it out.
You don't have to that much to tell.
Like I'm a Yappa and I would be done after one hour.
So please. Yeah.
So that they did great. I was really happy with that.
Yeah. So yeah, all of their arcs are
really good. Like the main three, their arcs
are really good. And it's, you know, about facing
the traumas of your past and overcoming your own
insecurities, your own, you know, things that hurt you and
regret your own regrets and moving forward from a place of
acceptance and love and not from a, a place of hate or what's it
called when you just try and like, well, ignore it, like a
place of just ignoring it, like shutting it down.
I don't know. No, totally.
I feel like it's also a lot about taking, taking a life and
just be like I'm in charge and I'm going to get through it.
Yes, yes, very powerful stories. And again, we have totally not
gone into detail about anything in the show.
We have sidestepped every spoiler we could.
At this point. I'm trying to think of what else
we could talk about. Yeah, no, I don't think we could
talk about anything else. Like, besides giving our ratings
at this point and getting into the spoiler section.
So, Pam, what would you rate the show out of five Sochi bottles?
Oh, I remember my first watch was a 10 out of 10.
Yeah, I'm, I would say 4.5 out of 10 or out of five.
Right. OK.
It's not a five out of five, I would say, but a 4.5, it's
pretty high for me, yeah. Same.
Yeah. What are your rating?
No, no, it's the same. Like we're, we're the same
because I think it's a four and a half out of five.
It's very close to A5, but I think because it's not
rewatchable that hinders it being a five out of five show.
Yeah, totally. But I was thinking about it
before we started kind of like I cannot make it a five out of
five. I just yeah, doesn't work right.
Right, so 4 1/2 hold your bottles at 5 for me too.
And with that, we are going to break for spoilers.
If you want to be spoiled, keep listening.
If not, stop here and come back after you finished watching
tomorrow. Excuse me, I can't.
Turn. I can't turn, you know.
I am not Oh. Sorry, swear.
This crossing shit. What?
All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, guys.
So we're going to talk through the show and all of the really
triggering aspects about it in more detail.
So Pam, you said that you guessed about Rion's back story.
What exactly did you guess about it?
Did you guess? Correctly about it.
I think that I was really focused on these two.
I was like, OK, something definitely happened and shit.
Went down between her and Joseph like 100%.
And I'm like, OK, he doesn't remember, She does.
She definitely killed herself with, especially when we saw the
red string for the first time. Like oh the whole red it.
Was like an episode string thing one or two that they showed the
red string on her wrist. And I was like, oh, that's it,
this is important. Yeah, so for those who.
Don't know, OK. This is part of the lore and
also just Korean mythology, right?
It's just this red string of fate.
It's also in a lot of sea dramas, right?
Like it's part of like, just this lore.
Whole Asia, it's kind of right. Like the red string of fate is a
thing. Yeah, You know what?
I'm gonna look it up. What?
Red string of fate? Yeah, red string.
Oh, also the red string of marriage.
Yeah. East Asian belief originating
from Chinese mythology, commonly thought of as an invisible red
cord around the finger of those who are destined to meet one
another in a certain situation as their one true love.
So she has the red string of fate tied around her wrist and
we're like something the fuck is up with her red string of fate?
Like who was supposed to be on the other end of the string?
I mean, when you first watch that, right, and he gets
introduced the first time, you're like, OK, it's him, he's
the one. He is the one.
Right for me and for her, yes, but yeah.
But I feel like you could always sense that she kind of knew
something and he didn't. But his his aura was always
different. It was pure hate about her being
from hell, right? Her mission and her mission.
And I was like, every time they interact, I'm like, OK, they
know each other, but she knows more than him.
Like he has no idea that she has like the whole back story So and
every time she was always talking to our Jaden Perot.
I was like, OK, they both know something and he was definitely
with her at some point in their life.
I just could not tell if it was like just his past life or his
past past life. How many lives did this guy
live? To.
Lose her. And sometimes at some point, it
was like, hey, May. Did.
He make her kind of kill. Herself, I'm like.
No, it doesn't make sense because she was still kind of,
she wasn't in love, but you could feel some something I love
when they were on screen together.
So I think I just guessed really that it was definitely him and
definitely the suicide thing. And then she cannot be with him
together. Yeah.
Anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because part of this lore that they've established, this is I
think specific to the show, is that victims of suicide, because
they commit suicide, they are punished cosmically by their red
string of fate being broken, this link being severed.
And so hers was severed. And you're like, this is what's
happened. So you get the broad strokes.
I so we both guess the same exact thing, by the way, like
these broad strokes of like it's him.
He's the the the red string guy for her and she committed
suicide in her past life. Something the fuck happened
between them? Like there's some drama that we
don't know what happened that made her commit suicide.
Yeah, I was first I thought that it was him, right?
That he kind of said that whatever.
Because you, the first thing you see at this kind of her on the
street walking and then talking to him like this is what you
wanted to do. You put down your sword.
Yeah, right. Put down your sword.
I'm like, OK, what the hell did he?
Do. You're like.
What is this? Yeah.
Yeah, boy, I like you, but why are you killing people?
Right. So you're like, oh, what's up?
Why is he killing people on the street?
She's mad. Why is she mad?
Why was she there? Right, she's just in the.
Street. In the evening like so, lots of
questions, very few answers. We don't get answers until
episode 14 when the Jade Emperor finally tells Row wound the
whole back. Story.
And this extended flashback sequence of the invasion of
Chang, their whole meeting, their meet cue and everything in
the woods. I was riveted.
I was like, this could be AK drama all on its own.
Oh my God, I wrote that down. I'm like, I want that as AK
drama. I need to see that on screen.
Just the two of them. It was super cute.
Yeah. Made done like it was done so
well. I fell in love.
Yeah, it was done really well. And this is what I mean by this
was very historically accurate because this whole invasion, the
way that the Ching are dressed, the sequence of events, and
obviously this basically mini Saguk that's in the middle of
the show, extremely well done. And it's accurate, you know,
pretty accurate. Obviously, the specifics of what
happened to her, like there's no way to know if this happened to
this noble woman back in the day.
But yeah, in the 1600s, there was an invasion of Cheng and it
completely obliterated Korea. It messed with the politics.
And if you watch My Dearest, that goes into way more detail
about what happened during this invasion.
Oh, that's super. Interesting.
Yeah, and it's super, super interesting.
And episode 14 comes on the hit with the back story and the
connection between the comfort women that were that story that
happened in the episode prior. Episode 13, that connection
becomes way more apparent. Like why did they do the comfort
women episode, the cat that case, and then immediately they
do her back story in episode 14? It's because she was also a
victim of this Ching invasion and was captured.
Just like the comfort women were ripped from their homes or
hoodwinked into being sex slaves and this is a real thing.
Both of these things are true, like history and the prevailing
Confucian belief at the time. In the 1600s, that belief system
created a hostile environment for survivors who actually
managed to return to Charleston, Korea, after experiencing
slavery and sexual assault at the hands of the invading Qing.
And so she even though in tomorrow Ryong doesn't
experience sexual so she wasn't raped, it doesn't matter.
Like it if you watch my dearest, it goes into way more detail but
like it doesn't matter. It's just the fact that she was
taken. There's no way to know for sure
if she wasn't raped or whatever. Like it's literally the worst
raging case of victim blaming that you've ever seen.
And it's real. It happened.
It's so crazy. I mean especially the
mother-in-law like. She Oh my God, I.
Always hate the evil mother-in-law.
I was like, girl, what do you mean?
Please stop Every time she was on screen, like, Oh no, I can't
do this anymore because I hate like the evilest mother-in-law
is always stop it. I mean, I I know that's probably
definitely what happened with this kind of woman, right?
They always think about the owner, especially when they have
a son, you know? But still.
Like, the way that she talked to a lovely badass girl that saved
everyone at like, in the story at least.
Like, that's not how we do it. You should be helping her and
the whole, yeah, society judging them just for surviving.
Horrible. It's the.
Same thing that happened to the comfort women in episode 13.
So I found that really fitting, powerful.
The parallels were there. And the fuck that mother-in-law,
That mother-in-law, what did she say?
There's a quote here that I have from her.
Is your life worth more than the honor of this family?
Oh yeah. And I was like, abso fucking
lutely. It is like fuck this family.
Person. What do you mean obviously?
Excuse. Me, I'm here.
Yes, it's more. Uh huh, uh huh.
She was instigating her to commit suicide and the the scene
of her losing her maid and stuff to the they literally stoned her
to death. They would have stoned, Yeah.
What's it Red, Big red to death. But.
But there's also like another biblical thing, because you
know, you have. Stop.
Yes. I was like, yes.
Yeah, so I was like, Oh my God. Yeah, totally.
You know, people sin. And then someone, you know,
what's the quote again? If you have sinned, throw the
first stone away. Yeah, he has.
No sin. Something like that.
Stone Yeah. So I'm like, Oh my God, yeah, I
know that story. And people will always judge 1st
and before even looking in the mirror.
Absolutely. Oh.
It's like society, like it's still up until now, right?
Like people will judge and say whatever, especially on the
Internet. Yeah.
So I'm like, yeah, people will always throw the first stone,
doesn't matter if they're in a sun or not.
But oh. My God, you're absolutely right
with the biblical tie in. Yeah, with the stoning of the
the two women and then the maid dies protecting her.
She like covers her body with like, Oh my God, I was really
affected by that. I didn't cry, but I was just
like, Oh my God. It was very emotional.
And to see her sort of be strong during the invasion and see her.
Say we have to survive, We'll we'll get back, you know, very
staying very positive, you know, throughout the whole thing, had
that survivor mentality throughout the whole ordeal and
then finally get back and it's when she's get, she's back home.
That's what breaks her. Yeah.
Like that's what breaks her. Spirit.
Yeah, I mean, totally understandable.
Imagine surviving this kind of thing, so helping others survive
as well. And then you get home and be
like, Oh no, you're not you. Should have done having people
just survive fingers at you and say you're to blame, you're at
fault and you should have died. Yeah, why did?
You come back. I mean, this episode, like my
rage was so high. I was like, Oh my God, I cannot
deal with it because I get really angry at sometime when I
feel like something is not fair. Yes, I get so angry I have to
pause. Pam, we're the same.
I was like, it's just a serious calm down.
Yes, my anger issues cannot handle it because I just can't
see myself losing my shit. And I'm like, no, you're not
talking to people like that. Not to me.
Couldn't be. Survived.
I helped all these girls here. No.
You couldn't even have kids if you didn't come back.
What you talking about? Oh.
My God. And the fact that he actually,
you know, her husband, Junky actually loved her and supported
her through this and wanted to continue their marriage, He
didn't blame her at all. He was like on her side
completely. That was also so like.
Impactful. I think it shows how much they
loved it. I loved it because we get to
know how they met for the first time and it was super cute.
Like you still get this whole he is always a angry type of guy
thinking he is always so right, you know, and righteous.
And then she's like, chill, there are poor people here now,
so please share a little bit. And yeah, I love that.
I love the whole dynamic. They were super cute together.
But I also feel like at some point, you realize that he could
not understand her point of view.
He was struggling. He wanted to help, but he didn't
know how even. Yeah, like, he told his mom, no,
I'm still being with her. But he still couldn't understand
why it was so bad for her to continue living like that,
because she didn't want to hurt him and she was suffering so
much. But he just couldn't understand.
It was not his point of view. Like he just couldn't.
Oh, it's so tough. It was so tough.
So that episodes really stood out to me.
Episode 14 when they finally reveal like what the hell is
this mysterious connection that these two have?
It broke my heart it. Totally broke my heart.
Yeah. And it was, I think it was
fitting because you've seen all of these stories that are so
horrendous. They are so undeniably sad and
just impactful and. I feel like each story.
Was transporting. It was heartbreaking.
Each story was just so transporting and you're like,
OK, what if if they are teasing this whole thing throughout,
Like what is this mysterious connection that has like fucked
them both over even in the afterlife, even as they are
reapers? What could it possibly be?
It's pretty bad. Like once you finally see it in
episode 14, you're like, it's pretty bad.
Like I can see. It is bad.
Why? It went down the way it did.
And why she is so compassionate toward those who are thinking of
committing suicide and suicide victims.
And why he is so hateful toward suicide victims.
I mean, I think in the beginning he was just really hateful
because it's a sin, it's not good.
And then he when he finally understood what happened between
them. He.
You could even like, if you remember when he was supposed to
be punished right by, I call him Mr. Johnny Depp because he
looked like Johnny Depp. And then he's on his knees and
she comes to talk to him. And it's like, you can feel
that's not love between them, right?
It's something, but it's not love the way it was before.
It's very hard to play it like this where it's not love, it's
what is it. I could feel I was like, I
understand what that is. I cannot name it, but I get it.
And you could finally see him understanding why she does what
she does and why she also did what she did.
What happened to her. It was his own way to say I'm
sorry that I could not understand you at that time.
Right. It was super beautifully done by
them. Like this was such a great
acting. Yes, yeah.
I can't even name what it is the emotion that they are conveying.
Yeah, I was. I remember watching like, I know
it's not love, even though I wish they could be together
again. I would die for that.
I. Know but it's just they're not
like romantic it's not romantic love it's.
But it's also not friendship at that moment, right?
It's it was just an understanding of each other at
that point. She was just like, thank you
that you finally get it. Yeah.
Took you a few years, but. Took you.
I don't know. You got it, though. 400, Yeah.
Some odd years, but glad we're here.
If you're incarnations, a few. Glad we're working together,
yeah. Maybe it's just closure.
Yeah, it's like the way that if you have like a an ex and you
don't, you kind of never got to talk about what happened and
then you finally have to talk. You may not hate each other as
much as before, but you have an understanding of.
Yes. Closure, right?
Yeah, it was. I love that.
And the way that he smiled and everything.
He was like a tiny bit of smiles, like OK, final.
Episode so I really like that episode a lot the one that came
before it broke me. This was one that I was like
crying, Like I had literal tears running down my face.
I was all congested. It was a real I, It was a really
cry. It was legitimate.
It was the comfort women episode.
So oh. Yeah.
No, this one like broke me into little itty bitty pieces.
I don't know how you felt about this one, but I was like, Oh my
God. So I already said for those who
don't know and kind of need a little bit of context.
So for comfort women, were women and girls forced into sex
slavery by the Imperial Japanese armed forces in occupied
countries and territories before and during World War Two.
And the numbers on this are wild.
They estimate that there's it could be 10s of thousands, as
much as 200,000 girls that were forced into beings, comfort
women. And the statue that they feature
in the show is called the Statue of Peace.
It's a monument in front of the Japanese embassy in Seoul.
It faces the embassy. And that's featured a few times
in the episode as well, which I thought was a great touch.
That statue is such a symbol of the plight of the comfort women.
And it's not just Korean women that were taken into the sex
slavery during this time period, but it was a majority comfort
women were Korean. This statue is such a symbol
that they've erected more like throughout the world, like it
just popped. People put them everywhere.
The one that's in front of the Japanese embassy in Seoul,
though, is a topic. The Japanese hate that one.
Of course they do. Yeah, Japan loves to not talk
about its history, for lack of a better word, putting it mildly.
They love to not talk about the crimes against humanity that
they have committed. And this is one of them that it
took many, many years for them to even acknowledge any
wrongdoing about the comfort women.
And I think in 2015, because the statue was erected, I think in
2011, in 2015, they came to some agreement with the Korean
government that they were like, look, we'll send money.
We'll give money as reparations to the comfort women or in some
sort of fund, right, for the comfort women.
And we'll say sorry, and you'll get rid of the statue.
And the Koreans were like, bet never got rid of the statue.
They were. Like, yeah, fuck you.
Then never. I don't think there was an
official even agreement from the Korean government to get rid of
the statue, but it was, I don't know where the Japanese, this is
all what the Japanese government is saying they agreed to.
But the Koreans are like, yeah, never, never agreed to get rid
of the statue, but thanks for the money.
Involved. And so it's been up in the air.
The Japanese were like, yeah, we're not going to send the
money anymore. And I think they removed a
couple of their diplomats from the ambassadors, from the
embassy. It is like, you know, a little
temper tantrum. Yeah, over.
The comfort women's statue that stands outside their embassy, so
I love that they included it in the show.
Yeah, it's, I mean, when I was watching this episode before, I
didn't know that too much about comfort for women, right?
I used to read a lot of historical books and stuff, but
I'd never knew a lot about what happened between Korea and
Japan. And when I first watched this
episode, I was like, oh, I need to know a little bit more.
And so I read a little bit into it.
I'm like, Oh my God, this is absolutely horrific.
What the what the fuck is what kind of behavior?
It's just absolutely insane. And then what I loved about this
abstract is how many times they mentioned we never got an
apology. So, so many times.
I think it was the dying girl woman at this point.
She said I cannot die until I made sure that everybody knows
what happened, that we were not, it was not our fault we were
forced to to do this and that we get an apology.
I still have get goose goosebumps, to be honest every
time I talk about it because for me, this episode was super
impactful. She was really every time we
like we never got an apology. I cannot die now because I need
to get this apology so all of us can rest in peace.
Right. I have to do this on behalf of
all the other girls. Yeah.
And that, I mean, I've already, I'm not that far removed from
the episode. And that line that you're
referring to is very powerful. It was uttered by Kim Yong UN,
the great Kim Yong UN. She played that character of
Chong Moon in. She was on her deathbed and she
was the like one of the comfort women that was.
They had a strange connection and with Buk Bukwe Bukhe.
Yeah, Yeah. Who was afraid that she was to
blame for sending her friend to be a comfort woman because they.
It was this whole nefarious thing.
Like, they would put these ads in the papers and say, oh, you
know, come and work at this factory, blah, blah, blah.
And these girls would show up and it would it, they'd be put
to work as sex slaves. So she was afraid that she
basically sent her off, like, without her knowing that this
was a, A trick. Yeah.
I mean, she was a little girl. How was she?
Supposed, how was she to know? She just want to help her
friend. She broke my heart when she said
it. I wanted.
To help her. Oh my God.
So again, this whole episode was me.
I mean, I was red, I was sweating, I was crying,
completely wrecked me. And I was at the when they said
the ending of the episode was when Kim Yong UN's character,
the former comfort woman, dies. And she is saying she this
friend, like the one that died saving them, would not blame her
that she. Would give her.
A hug if she could. And that I'm not going to stop
advocating for us and demanding an apology from Japan.
Flood of tears flood. I'm talking about waterworks.
And when I like you, kind of knew who was who the.
Reaper. That's this Reaper that was in
now in the mix and I was like, who's this new Reaper?
Listen, hit me like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, when she revealed that that was that's the the one that
died, the the friend that died saving them is that this group
of of girls escaped. Yeah, and Oh my God, no, I was
done. I was done just.
Too much people. Well, what you're doing to me.
So many tears I can't even see anymore.
I don't even have like coherent notes I just have here an all
caps then the blonde Reaper being the friend Unique crying.
OMG no. I no, no.
Yeah, I think I wrote, this will always make me emotional.
It's so heartbreaking. And it did it again.
It's heartbreaking working it for the second time.
I know what happens. I know who is who.
I know what's going. You know, I'm like, yeah, still
crying. Here we go again.
It's just really well done. The only thing that I didn't
like was that Rowan was like a freedom fight.
Yeah. I also was like this is way to
run our people. I'm like crying and crying and
then they reveal she's keep me on No ghost.
You look so familiar. And then like thrown back into
the flashback of Roman being the freedom.
Fighter and. I was like.
Fuck you. Say.
I'm literally wiping away tears and like sniffles and be.
Like why? Why is this?
Like fuck out of here bro, especially after my sister
going. He has, he's had too much work
done. Like yeah, no, like Rowan is a
freedom fighter in 1944. Get the fuck out of here.
Like. For real, come on.
No, it was my thought, I said because, like, yeah.
I know that caterer must love to connect everybody and everyone
and their Mama. Yeah, but can we stop Now Was
enough. I thought the yeah.
This was perfect. Yeah, Rowan was too much.
But I always I thought already that something that has would
have happened because, you know, the gentleman was like, oh,
Rowan needs to go escort her or help her, whatever.
I'm like, Oh no, please don't do this.
Yeah, she kept saying. That how many lives?
Anyways, yeah, this was the only thing I was like no, no.
It took me out like it took me out.
Yeah, totally too much. Lovely.
Yeah. Didn't.
Like it didn't like that. Episode 12, the one before that,
I'm going backwards in the show, but episode 12, that was the
other. This is when the waterworks
started. Yeah, 'cause this was Ryongu's
episode where his mom. Oh my God.
Tries to commit suicide the his the reincarnation of his mom.
Tries to commit suicide and Lord.
Oh, when he got to say goodbye to her on the beach.
No, well, that's The thing is that I started crying.
Like they go into her dream and she's stuck in the dream and
she's taken sleeping pill, an overdose of sleeping pills.
That's her way of committing suicide.
And then they're trying to convince her it's a dream and
it's whole thing. That's fine.
I'm not crying yet. No, no, I cried a lot when we
got to learn about her past life.
And oh, her past life was horrible.
Yeah. And I think for me, when he
realized the first time that everything that he was saying
was super hurtful and so wrong, I was like, yeah, no, I'm good,
never mind. It was hurtful, even if it was
right. Yeah, even.
If you right, it was. But you know.
Don't say that the. First time that hero realized
what he did. I was like.
Sometimes can you just talk to people just.
Ask in front of them. Hey.
Mom, are you a prostitute or not?
Just tell me and not say you hate her.
Yeah. Oh no.
But don't say you hate her and you don't want to be her son.
And like, oh, so it was bad. It was bad enough, but I wasn't
crying yet. I was like, damn, this is heavy.
But I wasn't crying. I lost it.
When you see the mom put the message in the sand for the baby
that she lost in the present day because he told her in the dream
you're, you can send a message to what's the name that she gave
the baby the honey bee or whatever or something like that.
And she'll get it. Like it'll make it to the
underworld and she'll see it. So she wrote, what we see is
let's meet again. And then she put, the husband
gives her two little shoes and she puts it there and like, she
basically sends her like 2 little shoes along with the
mess. I, that's when I lost it.
I, I couldn't hold it together. I was like like that kind of
crying like it was bad. I think I usually struggle a lot
when it's about people, kids dying, right?
Like anything that's harming kids, I usually skip that.
I don't like that. I work as a babysitter, nanny.
I can't. I cannot because I would really
jump in front of a car for my kids.
They are my babies. So watching this and seeing her
struggle so much, I was like, Oh my God, I wish I could just jump
into the screen and help her. Like I would never judge.
I help you. And then seeing him being so
horrible like you, I will talk to you right now.
So everything was just a lot for me watching this, right?
Also, like a friend of mine just said, like, you know, a
miscarriage a few times ago. No, a few months ago, like, oh
God, that's a lot there. Where was our trigger warning
for all of that? Suicide, yes, but you know there
are more happening in that episode.
They just said like suicide and I was like, no, but like it's
more so. Much more.
And this episode was really tough on me, especially every
time it's about kids. And I get when kids are angry,
they don't know how to regulate their emotions, right?
And I was like, I understand you little guy, but you're breaking
my heart too because I see her suffering and I see you
suffering. And that's too much for me.
Like him being hurt. Hurt teaching him how to read.
No, stop, stop. Doing the little recitations and
stuff with him like, Oh no, it was.
So I started crying with the little booties that she put in
the ocean for her for the baby. And then Ryongo shows up.
He's got his hair cut, no more blonde in the in the hair and he
breaks some rules and shows his mom her past life and she
remembers everything. And he tells her he was sorry
and that he's never once resented being her son and that
then she says she's never once regretted being his mom and if
she had to do it all over again she would still be his mom.
I'm sobbing. I'm sobbing.
From the little message in the sand to the end of the episode,
it was like I'm on a train, can't stop the train.
I'm crying, wailing. I mean, I remember also in in.
I'm so bad with names. Oh, it's OK.
So I, I remember like he was saying like how bad he thinks it
is that people are, you know, turning to drugs, right?
And then after he finds out what happened, he killed all those
perpetrators, whatever, Then he also turns to drugs.
Like, you know, the whole cycle of him first hating all those
people and overdoses and then dying on an overdose like the
people that he hated. I was like, yeah.
And that's also explore he. Didn't he hated?
Himself, he was like, I hate myself so much, I'm turning to
the exact same people that I wanted to get rid of.
Yeah. I was like, oh wow.
And he was a really great actor in those scenes, right?
Like, I loved his acting. I know he was so good.
I was really surprised. I was broke episodes.
What is this, 12/13/14? Yeah, triple homicide right
there. Like it took me to clean out.
One after the other. And they were like, you know
what, If you didn't cry before, we're going to make sure you cry
now. Yeah, like watch, OK.
No tears and. It started kind of.
Funny to me, I was like.
Episode 12 started kind of funny to me 'cause it seemed like all
of a sudden they were like, whoa, we haven't hit our product
placement quota. So they had all this product
placement at the front half of the front of the episode, like
Mr. Pizza. Oh my God, do you?
Remember, like the Mr. Pizza? I was like what the fuck is it?
The whole pizza thing he visit what happened to Subway people?
Let's go back to Subway. What, just because?
No. And then the pizza.
Had like shrimp on it and I was like what in the world?
Comment about. Shrimp.
I'm like no, no. And then?
Ryongo's mom works in a sports clothing store that's called the
South Side, but the logo looks eerily similar to The North
Face. And then all the stuff that
they're wearing, like Roman's wearing a jacket that has tape
over The North Face logo that's clearly in their attention to.
That this is so. Freaking funny I'm I'm laughing
through all this. I'm sobbing, wailing by the end
of the show. That's why I was like, it caught
me clean like off. Guard.
Yeah. No, for real.
Oh my God. God.
The whole pizza thing, like no. The pizza I was like, what is
this? And then she big red is like I
want something sweet. I'm like since when girl, and so
he goes to get something. It was like another product
place it. Yeah, no, sometimes the product
placements are so bad. I'm like, oh, I know.
Can we know? It's like, you know, let's go to
Subway again. What happened to good old
Subway? Subway.
You know what I prefer? Subway at this point.
I mean, I, I do must confess that I sometimes hate when they
have like pizza brands like Pizza Hut sometimes or whatever.
I'm like, I don't like that. It's always too random.
Why are you showing this pizza so close?
I no. Yeah.
Just I don't know. They also do that a lot in Thai
shows. So that's maybe because I'm
like, Oh no, can we not do another?
Yeah, they have. So I think there are Pizza Hut
is sometimes as sponsoring, you know, the Sirius, like it's
fine, but I really don't want to see that pizza right now.
Like it does not match but. It doesn't mesh with anything
else. No, like the aesthetic is killed
right now you're you're talking about suicide.
We're eating on pizza and then we're gonna go.
Yeah, no. Oh my God, you're.
Gonna bring that into the into the afterlife, into the company.
Do you think they. Think about it.
Imagine having a subway in the afterlife just for product
placement. They work all in a subway.
That would be so funny. OK, I have no idea.
Any idea? Don't even feel like it's a
stretch. I don't even feel like it's a
if. If this was I don't this could
27. Better than it could have
happened. True it.
Would have worked a little bit more.
Maybe they could have like switched the arrows or something
on the subway logo and it could have been like that way to
heaven, that way to hell. Oh my God, I want to see that.
To be honest, that would be so funny.
And maybe the colours could be, I mean, Subway could have been
something, yeah. Well, we have.
Or it could. Have been something else like
instead of subway it could have been like one way or something.
You know what I'm saying? Like.
So many things. I don't know what they did, but
pizza, no. No Mr. Pizza at that.
And it looked bad. Like, not gonna lie, it looked
bad. Episode 10 they had the sexual
assault case. Oh my God.
With the fraternal twins. I think I posted it on my story
that my rage. Was so high.
Oh my God. I mean, I do listen to a lot of
true crime, right? So I know that this is typical
for those. It's real, right?
Like this is. Fucking real.
Literally everyday life for a lot of people that had been
through that, right? So it was so triggering because
I just recently I heard about another two crime case, you
know, like Korea, get your shit together.
I know that not every country is perfect, especially when it
comes to that. We just have so many issues, but
this was just hitting too close. Like, yeah, and it was very.
And I love the this sounds terrible to say, but I love the
escalation, right? And the way that they tied
especially the last few cases together into the the mysterious
story of like how big red and what's his face Jungkill are
connected. What is their past life story
that has wrecked them into the afterlife?
And you have the sexual assault case and the victim blaming in
that. Then you get, you know, another
back story for one of the the trio, the 3 Musketeers.
Then you get the comfort women. And then you get it's, it's an
escalation that all leads into you're gonna understand the
gravity of their back story way better when you get there.
Because you know, you start also with the present.
What is going on right now with a sexual assault cases?
How? Nothing has changed.
And then you go back in time and still the same woman are still
being. Same shit.
Yeah, they have been blamed. People are still not trying to
help them. Oh my God.
And I mean, I when I watched the the lawyer saying like, oh, what
were you wearing? Why did you?
I was like, if he doesn't shut the fuck up right now, I'm gonna
get so mad. I can't.
Yeah, yeah, the, it's the trauma of the assault plus the trauma
of the trial with the Skeez Ball defense attorney victim blaming,
saying why didn't she resist or scream?
Why didn't she escape? The door wasn't locked.
Why wouldn't she? She would have, she wouldn't
have stayed if she didn't like it.
Like it's so on and so forth. What was she wearing, etcetera?
The brother victim blaming her as soon as he sees her, saying
it wouldn't have happened if she wasn't walking alone at night,
if she didn't get drunk, if she wasn't reckless, this, that and
the other. And it's, it's bad.
Like you, by the time you get to the end of the show, you're kind
of like, you understand what Big Red says when she says she
called sexual assault a murder of the soul.
Yeah, Oh, my God, I love that. You couldn't clearly see like
every woman and girl, this is exactly what happened.
They were still there, but their soul, especially when, you know,
like I I did wish that the trigger one for this one was a
little bit, you know, more than just, oh, it's suicide.
I'm like, no. No.
This is, well, I think it said it might have said sexual
assault. I don't.
Maybe say it. I I just remember every time it
was like suicide. I'm like, OK, but this was so.
Oh my God, it was something to watch.
And I think in every episode they show a not a lot, but I
think they show enough where you're like, yeah, you're
Jarred, right? Like you're like shaking up.
And this one is no different. And the comfort women, when
going back to that one real fast, that was like almost the
first time that I had seen the barracks or whatever that they
had kept these when. So I was like, oh, and that's
real. Like they kept them in the.
The. Soldiers.
Going in and all soldiers. Going in and out like 70 men a
day and shit like that. It was just like, so that's what
I mean by historically accurate. And this one, what's eerily
accurate about the sexual assault case in episode 10 is
that the guy gets a very light sentence.
He got like two years. And I mean, probation, I think,
was a large part of it. And it's because he was drunk In
Korea, that's a thing. The law recognizes being drunk
as a mitigating circumstance and therefore grounds for leniency.
So people commit heinous, heinous crimes while they're
drunk and they get a reduced sentence.
And there has been a like in recent years, there's been a lot
of uproar and demand for change. And I mean.
On that law in Korea. He's saying, oh, he has a future
ahead and he's a promising guy. I'm like.
We've heard this a million times.
He was young with a bright future.
He's got good grades, he's well liked, he's in medical school,
blah blah blah. And I'm like, I don't give a
fuck. He's a hard.
But do not human being and he should be behind bars for a
long, long time never come out. Please.
I don't care. No.
Yeah. I think if you listen to a lot
of true crime that also not only talk about Western crime but
also about what happens maybe in Korea, in India and etcetera.
You will see that this is not just ATV show at this point,
like this specific episode especially, this is what's
happening right now. There's something, I mean, there
are cases maybe five years ago, like I usually listen to
Stephanie Sue, right? And I'm like, yeah, five years
ago. There are literal pedophiles
free right now. And you know, Korea and their
defamation laws and whatsoever. You can even name them.
You cannot show any pictures of them.
And they could be your neighbor and it's totally fine.
I'm like, you know? I was super angry.
I had to pause a few times because I was I'm gonna throw my
iPad through the window at this point and I already watched it.
It was my second time watching it.
I still got mad. Yeah.
It's just this righteous rage that courses through you when
you're watching the show, and every episode it's a new like
circle of. Hell, yeah.
It was really. Oh, it was a lot.
And then it started just, you know, it was just a start.
You're like OK watching this as a woman sometimes it's like I
know but damn we're all suffering I.
Know, but damn. Damn.
Let's watch something happy, I guess.
Now I just want us to. Talk now, yeah, that was really
tough. Something that they almost lost
me with was episode nine with the suicidal dog.
Yeah, yeah, they almost lost me with that one.
I mean, I do have a dog, right? He does live with my mom and all
and I. I love pets.
Not in my home, but I do love them, yes.
I'm listening. I'm listening.
I was like, I think I cannot relate to that because I'm not
that close to my pet. Maybe people with pets can.
Yeah, feel a little bit more, you know, like it felt like it
was a cute story also talking about the feeling of an animal,
but this was so far away from everything else.
I don't know. I I don't know.
I was like OK this feel like a full episode.
It's like, like, 'cause they, yeah.
We went from like all of a. Sudden they introduced the
concept of, oh, pets and animals also have yeah, get reaped,
right? Like they have grim reapers that
come and collect them and they go this.
Is kind of cute. As well.
Yeah, but. Yeah, right.
But after like experiencing the pain and suffering of actual
humans and the reality of life, then you settle in with episode
9 and you're like Oh my God, who's suicidal?
They got to save them. You think it's the you think
it's Roman's sister for a hot 2nd And then.
Debbie would be her. I'm like, why are you all
jumping in front of cars? What's going on?
Right. And then she just sits there.
She just squats in the middle of the street.
And I'm like. Bitch, get up.
My. God who does?
That you can just grab the dog and take him, you know, like to
the side. What?
Yeah, yeah. Did we just all get stupid or
what's going on? So, but it wasn't her, it was
the fucking Pomeranian that she saved.
And I was like, oh, that's a swerve.
That's a real swerve on the show.
I. Remember watching for the first
time like. Is this for real right now?
Yeah, he. Was trying to save his owner.
Get attention that his owner is like the dog we are talking.
OK, so who let the dogs? Out wonderful like Big Red said
this wonderful speech to the dog and I was like, this speech
works, but it's a dog. So she says this.
Do you have any idea what kind of hell it is to part ways with
a without a proper goodbye? It's no different than choosing
an eternal hell just to escape the pain in the present, which
is like aha later in the show when you find out what the hell
hurts history is You left because you didn't want him to
feel that pain. But that should be up to the
people who are left behind. It would be selfish not to let
him even do that. Of course it's hard and sad when
a family member you love is dying, but you need to go
through that time to be able to miss your loved ones freely.
It might hurt to think about them immediately, but the sense
of longing is created because of happy memories.
And I'm like, this is a wonderful.
Speech. Why not too a human?
It's a wonderful concept. But it's a two way fucking.
Oh, and you? Know about a pomery?
OK, but listen, I could have handled that if not in the end
that damn dog was licking all over his mouth like when he was
saying goodbye. The dog's acting was not even a
plus. It was like.
B minus Yeah. And then B was licking his
owner's mouth all the time. Like, this is absolutely
disgusting. I refuse.
Absolutely not. Yeah, I like.
I get it, you all love your dogs and go for it, but stop letting
your dog lick your mouth. We're all this.
We're the same. Family I can.
This was so disgusting. I lost my.
Shit, I can look the dog. Some people are here like, oh,
the dog's dog's mouths are cleaner than human mouths and
like humans don't normally eat. Shit, yeah, he's also not
licking. Other people's do, as far as I
know. Like at least I'm not OK, I'm
not doing that right, but not judging people that do.
That I don't know. Did you eat grass Stew?
Yeah. Oh, OK, So what are we talking
about? It's.
Disgusting. I was just like.
Don't let your dogs lick you in the face, in the mouth.
I mean, they showed it for quite a long time.
Like that's too much. It was a.
It was. A long little scene.
Yeah. The whole were they reunited in
in the director's office? And you're like, oh.
That's awkward. Yeah, that's awkward.
Oh, I don't know. This whole episode was like,
yeah, I get it. You all love your dogs and pets
and all. It's really sad when they go
and, I don't know, stop letting your dogs like, your face.
Anyways, rest in peace. A little Pomeranian.
I. Didn't.
So the only time that I was like, OK, I kind of get it is
when they reunited the dog with the owner and the owner started
kind of opening up to the dog and I was like, all right, this
is a little bit better because I understand the owner losing the
pet. I thought that like, I
understand that, like absolutely.
But the dog's point of view, I was like, yeah, but I understand
a in a fraction. I understand a fraction of it
because obviously there's really sad stories of, you know, the
owner got in a car accident and the dog wouldn't eat for weeks
until the owner returned. And like, there's stories like
that. Absolutely.
Or the owner died. The owner died and the dog like
stood vigil. At the at the.
Cemetery for for the rest of its life.
Like there's stories like that absolutely, 100%.
It's all true, but also it's an animal.
But also thing you could have never done this absurd with a
cat. You could.
Right, right. Like this could only be done
with a dog. Like, you can't do it with,
like, a chinchilla. Yeah, can't do it with a bearded
dragon. Yeah, like, you know, at this
point I was watching like, I don't know people why I'm
watching this. This was really the only episode
where I'm like, yeah, I'm sad. But also, we had the veteran
episode, right? Right.
Like what do you? Mean I'm not watching a dog.
We had a. Fucking Korean War battle.
We had so many. And we had a wonderful they
recreated the Korean what? That sequence is amazing.
We had, you know, before then. You're like.
So many things, bullying, body shaming, like a workplace,
everything we had so many things.
And then we had like. Harassed into the workplace and
the bulimic and then. A dog you get.
A fucking dog. In episode 9, and you're like,
what? You.
Yeah. Taken aback.
I mean, it's astonishing that
some people would be like, oh, you just don't get him.
Like, yeah, I don't. I swear, people, you cannot
explain it to me in a way that I will ever get it.
And I have a dog. Will I be sad when he's gone?
Probably. Uh huh.
I felt, you know, OK, I do have to jump in here and say we had
a, a family dog for the longest time.
We, it was a rescue and his name was Zeus and it was a, a
miniature pinscher. Sweetest dog, the best dog we've
ever had. We've had some crazy ass dogs
that we've had to sell or give away and stuff when we were
children, especially because we could as children, we couldn't
necessarily take care of the dog.
It was all down to my parents, really my mom.
And so now when we're older, we got this dog.
We had him for like 13 years, but he was already a rescue.
We didn't know how old he was, and it was all like a guessing
game as how old the dog was. The dog started doing really
badly during the pandemic. He had major separation anxiety.
It was awful, awful. The dog was doing horrendous.
A lot of upheaval in the family, family members dying, and like
the dog was doing terribly. Then he got sick and he could
barely hear anymore. He's like basically deaf,
basically couldn't see anything. And then he kind of had like a
stroke thing. And we were like, OK, no, like,
this dog is suffering every day. Like he can barely walk.
So we went to go put him down. And I thought, I'm going to be
strong. I love this dog.
We've had it for many, many
years, girl. When it came time to put the dog
down in the middle of this pandemic, girl, you were all
sobbing in the room, crying in the room.
And they, I think they've seen a lot of people that have lost
their shit, like putting their pets down.
So they were saying really crazy shit that we were like, you
would say this for a human dying, but OK, so we all kind of
had our whips about us. But when it came time to
actually put our dog down, it was extremely sad.
It was heartbreaking. And we left, we were all
different feeling different, like we left feeling so
different. So I understand this feeling of
like, maybe I, I probably feel sad when I when I have to let
the dog go. And then when it happens, you're
like, well, damn. Fuck shit that was awful.
Oh my God that was the saddest thing ever.
So I get that, but man, I feel like still not to the extent of
an entire episode on a suicidal. Dog maybe if they make, you
know, like the point of view of the owner a little bit more.
Maybe, but even then, like he was a different kind of dog
owner than than we evidently are.
Yeah, I, I don't know, I guess this is something that maybe the
director or writer can explain to us.
Maybe they had a dog and they were trying, you know, to also
heal. Yeah.
So I'm judging that it was there, to be honest.
But you know what? If you felt like it was
necessary. So people are ready for what's
coming next. Fair enough.
I'll just assume that's what they're trying to do.
Right. You know, like a little laugh in
the middle little bit. Yeah.
Hey, at least this time the human is surviving and it's just
the dark dying fun. Amazing.
Right, the human survive. Oh my God, episode.
I know episode eight they had to save the criminal who was the
suicide broker. Oh my.
God. Bro The funny thing I just a
few. Weeks ago, there was I listened
to this true crime episode talking exactly about something
like that. Like there was a suicide broker
in Japan. Yes.
And I was like, oh, now I remember because when I first
watched it, I didn't I was like listened to true crime.
I didn't do this episode yet. And I was like, Oh my God, this
actually happened in real life. Like, this is not something
because, you know, when you watch it for something, it's
like, no way. And there is no way that
someone's really doing something like that.
Going out of their way to help people die instead of helping
them live, like, you know, doing our RM team's job, right?
But there is literally a person that did that.
And I think he is now free because, you know, they were
trying to die and he was just helping.
Us right. You took it.
That took me back. I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, I, I, I if I remember correctly, I'll, I can send you
the episode. But yeah, he the sentence was
not too severe or anything and was like, what do you mean?
But it's Oh my God, he literally did that.
People were trying, you know, on Twitter X whatever, saying hey,
I don't feel good. And he would text them.
Hey, need someone to listen to who can come to me And yeah.
Horrible. Oh my God.
It was the same thing. Yeah.
And stealing these poor people's money.
Yes. To tell them how to die
painlessly. Was He was the person?
Who was actually inviting them to his place?
I think there's two cases that are similar, but this one that I
remember, he was trying to first of all get their money.
And also it was trying to get mainly girls and, you know, SA
and whatever. Oh.
God. But also saying, yeah, I can
help you die. And yeah, helping them in a
really horrible way. So yeah, it's horrible.
So people are actually out there.
Just have no shame. Yeah, absolutely.
Not shame. Oh my God.
My God. So, OK, so this guy in the show,
he was like getting high off of watching these people die.
This was his thing and. He was so gross.
This actor was so good. Too good at acting.
He was chewing up scenery. Yeah, just acting a literal
psycho. Oh yeah, I mean, it was insane
because the first time when I watched it, I did not recognize,
I did not see that he would be like part of the group saying
that they want to die. Right.
And then you get, this was A twist, right?
And you're like, I'm so glad that the other two escaped,
Like, escaped. Not listened to Rowan and be
like, OK, you know, never mind. It's not that serious.
I'm going back home. I'm so sorry, guys.
If I talk to it a little bit more, you know, casual.
It's just the way that I handled this kind of thing.
Anyways, I was like OK. This one they did.
Escape, though, Yeah, but they escaped.
But Oh my God, no. I was so mad at him and the way
that he talked when he was still on the ground, still acting all
my team like, oh, you're not gonna be better than me, Just
kill me. And then we're gonna see.
I'm like, oh, Merwin was stronger than me.
To be honest, I'm pretty sure. I would have stomped his head
in. Oh my God.
I. Wouldn't have even waited for
the poison to take effect. Oh my God.
They would have to lock me up. No, that this comes into play
right, because they they talk through this mandate of their
mission is to save everyone regardless of what they've done.
If they're a criminal, if their soul is rotten, it doesn't
matter. And it comes back to what the
director said earlier in the show that like, she's not fair.
Yeah, the Jade Emperor is not fair, but she is impartial.
Yeah, this episode was really hard because I just know I'm the
type of person I would have probably made a different
decision. I cannot handle this kind of
thing. And I think that I myself would
also be like, I need to go or I'm gonna do something here that
I'm gonna regret, but I'm still gonna be the bad person here.
Oh yeah, I said. I think I've said this in other
episodes. I have a little violent heart,
and this wouldn't have ended the way Rowan did things in the
episode if it was me, he said. I didn't want to become the same
as him and I'm like, you would never have been the same as.
Him I'm like I, I wouldn't be the same.
It was just. Because, you know, if I'm doing
the whole math here, I'm still, you know, the whole.
I'm doing the math. I'm helping more people here.
You know you have to sacrifice one if I have to sacrifice this
one, I'm happy. We can do that no problem.
I I will sleep so well afterwards.
Probably not, but you know I. Would sleep so.
Well, afterwards, but also. He was already poisoned, right?
So all you had to do is he was he poisoned himself.
I'm like, OK then. Bye.
I'm called the ambulance in a few minutes.
Any lost words? No.
OK. Oh God yeah.
But that actor I was pretty impressed with the the twist
first of all of him being his code name or not code name but
his online name was Beta Male. I don't remember the name.
Oh, Oh my. God, it's like, Oh my God.
And then? The So that's how he showed up
as initially was beta male and then it turns out he was
actually also Grim Reaper. Yeah, Oh.
Quote UN Quote The guy that was the broker the.
Broker, Oh my God, that sounds so so weird the whole story I
would just wish it wasn't true that something like that could
never happen that no one would be this horrible to know use
something people are suffering and they're like I'm gonna use
that and I'm gonna make mine out of it I'm.
Gonna take advantage of that. That's the word, thank you.
And I, Oh my God. But they have people like that
and it's so horrible. Piece of shit.
Super horrible. Oh my God, Yeah, no.
Yeah. Oh.
I also liked in this episode how they were kind of like, well if
we don't handle this, if he doesn't get his punishment now,
he'll get it later and he gets his because they saved him.
He gets punished while he's alive.
I love. That.
The punishment and the punishment was like, it comes
out that he did all of this stuff, so he's going to get
punished criminally, like legally for it.
And then they also did this cosmic punishment of like, he
lost his hearing and then he lost his ability to speak
because of the poison that he gave himself.
I still don't know if it was enough, you know what I'm
saying? Like I was like, OK, why can't
he just rot in hell for eternity?
Like that seems OK too. I mean, that's what I.
He got scared, he got scared when shit Jungkill I literally
his name blinks. I blink on it every time
Jungkill ABS the voice shows up and sort of helps them because
he puts a fear of God in in the dude.
He gives him a little vision of hell.
He's like this is what you deserve.
Your soul is just rotten. All the shit you've done, this
is what you deserve. And he's like, save me, Save me
because I want to escape this cosmic punishment, like this
eternal punishment that I'm going to get if I continue to
die. And I was like, yeah, no, let's
just leave it status quo. And also thought like, dude, you
cannot. Escape.
You're so scared of it, this. Is going to happen.
I mean, now or later, it doesn't matter.
But you did things. You deserve way worse.
So yeah, no, he would be dying. I would be watching uh huh, like
I did now, but also I just wrote down like this was the first
episode that we saw Mr. Sexy voice as I wrote here they.
Saw I like that, Mister sexy. Voice.
Yeah, cool Gun for the first time in his nightmares.
This was the first episode that we got like, this tiny hint that
she was there. So I think I was focusing more
on that because I was getting way too angry.
It's like, Oh my God. I can't.
We were like, let's focus on this bright spot over here of
like, impending drama versus this horrific.
Oh my God. Storyline that's in front of me
right now because I there's no I feel kind of helpless right now.
There's no way to like, fix this.
Episode 7 The Bulimic Woman. Oh wow, yeah.
I mean, they talked about so many things.
Immediately that it wasn't the fat girl.
I was like, it's not her. She's.
Not she is. Living her life, she.
Loves herself. She loves.
She she was good, yeah. Mm hmm.
Yeah. So I clocked that it was the the
really thin woman initially. And they were like, it's got to
be the other, it's got to be the overweight woman.
And I'm like, OK, why? OK, why is it got to be the
overweight lady that's suicidal? I mean.
But they were treating her like shit too.
Like it was bottom line, the episode was saying women's
bodies can just never be. Everybody got a comment.
Everybody had to say something. It was like whether you're fat,
skinny, too skinny, too fat, it was nothing.
You cannot be perfect. Fucking shut.
Up. Let.
Women B And I mean, I love the
girl that will, I don't know, like chubby, a little bit
weight, had a little bit of weight on.
I just loved her attitude because I usually don't show
this type of character in Korean dramas being happy with
themselves, right? Usually you just get like a
depressed girl that's overweight or whatever and she hates
herself. And we finally got a confident,
bigger woman. And I loved her.
Who's not in a fat suit, by the way?
Not a skinny woman in a fat suit.
So I was like, OK. How amazing is that?
We have never seen that before. We all know that there's always
some underlying. Yeah.
Bullying happening. But this one was great because
even when she was always confronted, even by the boss,
she was like, yeah, so I like food and this is a good
restaurant and why would you not enjoy this?
Whatever I'm eating right now, right?
So I love that. And especially the conversation
she had with the polemic girl in the end, it was super great.
I love that 'cause you have like the contrast of both, you know?
She is happy with herself and the polemic girl is learning to
love herself again. To love herself again, to find a
happy medium. Yeah, to eat.
Without hating herself. And the whole workplace
harassment, Oh my God. Oh no.
It's a classic and oh funny thing I read and on MDLA comment
was like what do you think is happening corporate world
because she was like or her him. I don't know that this episode
was quite unrealistic, as if in this age and time they are still
this kind of harassment at work like.
Yeah. Oh, OK, so let's pause here In
Korea, there are no anti discrimination laws at all.
So. So yeah, I mean, there's nothing
in place to stop this at a legal from a legal standpoint.
They can do whatever the fuck they want.
They can say whatever the fuck they want.
There's no protections for any. Citizen, right.
I'm like, I get it if you have like this perfect working
environment for you, but I I've been there.
I had bosses say things. I'm like, excuse me, I don't
think you should be saying that. Sideways.
That's not good. Or interviews where people ask
me about boyfriends. Like you're not allowed to do
that. I'm gonna go.
Not allowed. So we have lost for that.
And I'm like, this comment just shows that some people need to
do a little bit more research before commenting and maybe
after watching a drama, just, you know, type on Google, Hey,
harassment at work, Korea or any other.
Place what is the culture? What is?
The Yeah. What's the law where there are
lack of? Laws, sometimes the lack of
understanding how some cultures work or laws you see that like
special dish drama. I think some people should have
done a little bit of research. Right, Yeah.
Mm. Hmm.
The next one, not next one. We're literally going backwards
through the drama. But episode 6, they have the
Korean War vet episode where he collects cardboard as an elderly
man. This is.
Again, this is real like there is.
A. So many elderly people in Korea
do this as their job, not only cardboard, they pick up and sell
everything that can be recycled. They collect plastic boxes,
newspapers, books, appliances, wooden furniture, everything.
Elderly poverty in Korea is overwhelmingly the highest among
OECD countries, and they get remarkably little for the amount
of work and hours that they put in.
I'm talking like maybe $15 a day for all of they and they work
the whole day picking up. A cardboard.
I mean, we even saw like in this episode, he was not only picking
cardboard, right? He had like this trash on the
side and he was picking everything.
And then when they were green, Rivers said, hey, but it's
dirty. It's like, no, it's no problem.
Just pick it all up. And it was like, this is so
heartbreaking. Like I know that this is a
veteran. Yeah, this is someone who fought
for this. Country.
Like for real, especially in Korea has touched us.
You know, like the war in Korea Horrific, right?
We so many times talking about it already, like this man, he
was fighting for all of you. He was always throwing the hat
when he said why he does that. He's like, no, I'm gone.
Like people, what the fuck? This is so heartbreaking.
He's like, yeah, I just want them to know that I did
something. Yeah.
His whole back story was super sad.
The man that he held, the young boy, the.
Man that he helped and then he was.
Yeah, he was. He had his own Lieutenant Dan
moment, and it was resentment there and they had to get
closure out of it. And he had to realize that he
wasn't to blame for ruining his man's life, for saving it.
I think it was also really cute when they showed him.
So now, you know, like the whole view of soul and like, hey, you
fought for that. Without you we would not be
here. It's like, oh, that's cute
because usually we sometimes forget what happened in the past
and what made us get here, right?
Like Germany has like a huge history, horrible history.
And we do learn a lot about it in school.
But sometimes we just forget that a lot of lives has been
lost. Just so you know, the way that
we live now, I think to the people that helped us get here,
it was super nice to see that I'm showing him, yes, cute.
Uh huh. Yeah, when she took him to that
lookout. I don't know what skyscraper
that was, but it's this giant view of soul.
And. Saying that his life was not
meaningless and his bravery brought about an era of peace
and this bright future that's he's staring out at.
And I did cry when all of the Reapers came to pay their
respects to him. I mean, especially because went
to ask for help me like, hey, can you do this?
And Mr. Grumpy was like, no, that's your business.
I'm just collecting the soul and my minions can do that.
And then he still, you know, got there with everybody was like,
OK. He's a good guy.
Oh my God, I like was so emotional during this and she
said the director comes too. To see him off.
And she said at the end of her little speech, your soul will be
blessed beyond what your life has been worth.
I don't. Know.
Yeah, no. I was crying.
So much here.
And then Rowan is also just crying and I love it.
This is. He was crying a lot.
Yeah, but he's crying here, and the old man has already passed
away, and it's his soul talking to him.
And he comes out and says, why are you crying when I'm going
somewhere nice? I lost it all over again.
Like he cugs Ro Wu and Ro Wu and salutes.
Him I. Lost it was a lot for me I'm
like, Oh my God, that was such a tiny cute detail because you
know a lot of the like the Korean men have to go to
military service. So Arun was, Oh yeah, Karun was
definitely familiar with it, right?
And usually seeing something like that from a country that
has this whole respect your elders thing, it's so sad 'cause
why you're respecting your elders, maybe in the company,
but not the one picking up trash in on the street, right?
Like that was super sad. Anyway, So I, I mean, there's
more, obviously we could keep going back through the episodes,
but I think those are the most impactful.
Yeah, honestly. I mean, everything else we
already know, right? Like the whole bullying,
celebrity bullying, it's always some kind of bullying, right?
So both episodes are impactful as well, but.
Right. I think the only thing that I
wanted to talk about was some sort of, I don't want to say
lore, but sort of establishing like what the conditions of like
the suicides and the, you know, what is fate?
What is the coincidence and stuff in life, in this in life.
And let me see. So Big Red talks to Rowan about
this because he's asking questions.
He's he's the audience proxy. And so she says, other than
natural causes, deaths are caused by a myriad of outside
factors like crimes or accidents, not karmic debt
incurred in people's past lives or fate, Which is a huge thing
to say after he asks why the musician in that episode lost so
many people in his life. What did he do in his past life
to deserve losing all of these people?
And she says he didn't do anything like there was nothing
that he did to deserve all of these people dying.
There was no cars, karmic debt that he is is paying for.
And I just came up of watching Autumn in My Heart, which is a
2000 K. I'm talking about the year 2000
K drama where the tragic ending is also deemed a car, a karmic
punishment for their love flying in the face of like, Confucian
ideals, which includes filial piety.
And many K dramas subscribe to the somewhat religious idea that
your life will inform your past life will inform your current
life. And so this is a refreshingly
modern idea that's so true. That takes sin out of the
equation. Like you didn't do anything to
deserve something bad happening to you.
She basically says like shit just happened.
Yeah, I mean she really sad. Like, yeah, I mean, you can
influence how you live your life, but you cannot influence
how other people are living their life, right.
You have criminals, they decide to be a criminal.
They are bad people and they will of course that maybe at
some point influence your life, but you did nothing to do that.
When I first heard it was like, usually it's not like that.
So it was first of all, I don't know if I like it, but also I
did, even though I thought it was a little bit sad for this
poor guy who has lost so many people.
Like I just wished he was like a bad guy and was deserving this.
So it makes sense in my mind to not be so heartbreaking, but
getting the words he did nothing.
He was just existing, but everybody else around him took
different decisions and that was it.
You know the output of like heartbreaking but.
And it affected him. Yeah, that's.
So true. But they also introduced the
concept of the red string of fate in this episode for those
who are who don't know like what that is, who have never watched
a show or any any K media with with this concept in it before.
She says. The good thing is, no matter how
many times those two meaning the couple in that episode, how many
times those two are reborn, they will meet again in the end.
Roman asks is that what you call Inyon, which is in the show?
It's translated to destiny. Inyon is like this bigger kind
of concept, but she says people who are destined to be with each
other are connected by a red thread beyond their souls.
Unless they break that thread themselves, AKA suicide, they
will meet that person again no matter how many times you are
reborn. I mean, I absolutely love
everything with the red string ride.
Even like in sea dramas when you have like the realm and they
have like this one person that has to deal with marriages and
like, yeah, I love you already. I don't care.
So. I just love this whole idea.
This is the romantic side of me and I'm like, OK, having a
soulmate, even I don't really believe in that.
I just like the idea of it. I think it's such a beautiful
idea that you have a soulmate. That what, as long as you don't
make anything to, you know, never see this person again,
you'll always meet each other and the episode with the singer,
I was just like, OK, they're super cute together.
They worked so hard and I. That could be an entire episode,
could have been a whole K. Drama.
Oh, for real? I was like, yeah, I'm super
invested. I loved it so much.
It's like a typical K drama. But the girl just said, you
know, I'm moving in, buddy. Yeah, this apartment looks so
cozy right now. I love that she was.
I also loved that she was. The.
Strong one in the relationship. She made a marriage proposal.
I love that. When a woman as in marriage, I'm
like, yeah, let's do that, girl. Yeah, the whole red string
thing. I love it.
So I think I was more intrigued by the whole idea of having your
soul mate in in all of the episodes.
Yeah. Than everything else.
Yeah, inion. If you scroll back in the
podcast feed, there's an episode on the movie Past Lives that
goes into more detail on what inion is because there's a
literal definition of it in the movie.
But inion is a Korean word that means fate or Providence.
And this is coming from this is scary, but Google AI overview.
This is the probably the first and last time I'm ever going to
read this out loud because I don't like AI, but it's
specifically used to describe the relationships between
people. It's thought to come from
Buddhism and reincarnation, and refers to the strings of fate
that connect people throughout their reincarnated lives.
For example, if two strangers accidentally brushed past each
other on the street, it could be considered an inion because it
might mean they had something in common in a past life.
I love. That which I think is a direct
quote from the movie Past lives so that AI is stealing from the
movie anyway. Yikes, you're laughing, but
yeah. No, it's fine.
Long story short, I wanted to say what Indian was because I
almost feel like destiny is not a good like word to encompass
the concept of Indian. I feel like if you consume a lot
of media that talks about that topic that has people with the
whole red string of fate and you get a yeah, better understanding
of it. Because for me, just really
like, yeah, I get it. But I need to see it work out in
a way. And I love how Asian dramas will
always have this in a lot of dramas.
I I just really love this whole idea.
And I mean, even being not Only Connect to your soulmate, but
people that you knew in your past life, friends, family, just
people to have like a strong connection with.
It's such an amazing idea. Just even right now, like
knowing my friends, I'm like, hey, you know what?
Even if it's romantic, in my next life, knowing that these
people could still be around me, I'm like, yeah, I love that.
I just love the idea of it. It's.
It's a nice romantic. Idea it's really is.
I even think about getting a tattoo with the whole red string
going on. Oh.
Nice. I love it.
It's yeah, it's a really romantic concept, but it just
works for me. Almost not every time.
I think that's. Pretty much the end of my notes.
I mean, there's other things like that.
Obviously the first story was a school bully.
Yeah. A story.
It's each story is successively worse so.
I mean I. Don't know it.
It was just getting. If there's.
Anything remotely triggering to you, it's probably an entire
episode of Tomorrow. I mean this drama, it's good and
will leave you traumatized. Like you will need therapy after
that. Yeah, you definitely would need.
That I was. My eyes were swollen the whole
day because I was crying. But also this drama reminded
reminded me a lot, at least a little bit of Hotel de Luna.
I don't know if you watched that, but I watched it.
Yeah, so I dropped Hotel de Luna.
Yeah, I. Watched it because I think I was
in Hong Kong and they had it like on the board thing.
I'm like, you know what? I want to watch this.
I mean, they also did have my theorists, but I did not want to
watch it on a plane. I want to watch it at home.
If I have to cry, I want to be able to cry.
I. Wanted to cry in the privacy of
my. Own yeah, you know, I don't want
people to see me crying. That's embarrassing.
We don't do that. So but I did see a little bit of
like, you know, resemblance, like the main character having
to find that one person she has to save the whole.
Each episode had someone with a story.
I mean, of course, Hotel de Luna, sorry if there's a spoiler
for you, but everybody's dead. That will tell their story.
Yeah. And here we are trying to save
the people, right? It's a hotel for ghosts, Yeah, I
mean. And I mean, it was enjoyable.
I mean, but I was also in Hong Kong watching at it at some
point. I was more tired than anything
after walking around and watching it.
I did finish it though, I just didn't see the chemistry
whatsoever. I don't know what people are
talking about, but it's not. Big.
Oh, OK, OK. So we got more chemistry here.
And yeah, but I did see like, you know, each episode having
the story talking about people dying or dead or whatever, just
helping you get through loss of or losing someone, trying to get
through life, kind of. I did get like a similar vibe
but that's about it. I really like tomorrow and I
hope that some of these things will that we talked about shed
light on some of the storylines and the back stories and some of
the cultural elements that are in the show that maybe flew over
your head, because I think it's important like this is very for
new K drama fans especially, and you're watching because you're a
fan of row wound. That's fine, I'm sure Rowan
would love for you to understand fully the context of the show as
well. So pretty sure pretty sure I can
speak on Rowan on that thing. So I.
Think we can speak? To the end of my notes in Korea.
No, Yeah, yeah, I quite, I don't want to say I enjoyed the show,
but I really enjoyed the show. Yeah, if that makes any sense.
Like it was good. I mean, I'm someone who usually
doesn't watch things with a sad ending.
I try to avoid that and well. It wasn't a sad ending usually.
How did you feel about that? Like?
No I I love the ending to be honest.
I it would have been weird if they forced them to be together
right? It does.
It would. I would have dropped it then.
You're talking about Big Red and yeah.
Like if there was too much romance going on, this would be
just wrong. It wouldn't have worked.
But usually I try to avoid things that are depressing and
sad and don't make me, you know, I did laugh, but I also had a
lot of tears in my eyes while laughing.
So usually I try to avoid that. But this drama, I was like, you
know what? I'm so happy and glad that I
watched it. I learned a lot as well, and
it's amazing to get like this kind of insight sometimes in a
culture that I'm not part of. And I think that even for
Koreans, especially, talking about certain topics like the
comfort room and women and just general the treatment of women
in society was super important. Especially right now.
We all know that Korea is struggling a lot with that.
So I love that. Entertaining is the wrong word.
You're right, but also the right, wrong and right.
It's not black and white, but I love that.
Mm hmm. I think the show's remarkable
and it definitely defied expectations because I don't
expect such a deep show with a lot of pathos from an idol.
Yeah. Like an idol star in it, even
though it's an ensemble cast. And I hope that more people
watch. It.
But not necessarily like dwell in the negative parts of it, if
that makes any sense. Yeah, I get it.
I think we should all focus on how the people move forward
like. Like yeah, the thesis.
Of the show, you know, we can all do that.
And sometimes a little bit listening to other people, it
goes a long way. Yes.
And I that was something about the show that I thought was good
was that it's not it's not that they are, there's a quote in
here about it, but like the director was like, it's not that
they are talking to these people and what they were going through
was so insignificant and they're trying to kill themselves over
something small. It's that no one's talked to
them about their struggles, and it's the weight of their words,
of the risk management team's words, that is inspiring them to
live. I mean, we never, we just learn
that they stop thinking about suicide and everything else is
to them. It's not there.
I'm telling them stop by, stop. It's just, hey, I listen to your
story. Your emotions are valid.
Everything that you're going through is about it, feel it,
and then we're going to work on it and you can do it.
Yeah, Oh, I have the quote. So it's episodes 4 through 5
around there. The The Voice despises people
who commit suicide, as he says. I can't understand why they
choose death so easily when it takes only a few words to give
them the will to live again. And the director says think of
how they must be feeling to choose death because no one ever
said those few words to them. I can guarantee you that there
isn't anyone anywhere who chooses death easily.
Yeah, and if you think about how many people commit suicide in
Korea, it's a lot. Oh yeah.
I think the show was super important for them, for
everyone. Whoever had that thought or is
struggling, I think this is exactly it.
So, yeah, and they say that in like episode one, I think the
director has like a meeting with all of the heads of the
departments and Chuwathong, and she's like, we have the highest
death suicide rate and the lowest birth weight.
It's embarrassing. Like she said, something to that
effect. Like get your shit.
Together, we have to do something.
And also hell is full. We cannot be sending everybody
kills. Themselves to hell like.
Said hell is like overflowing. Yeah, so I it's true.
Like this message is for the Koreans.
I, I feel like we need sometimes do not forget that Korean dramas
are made for Koreans. So to always look also like, of
course, it's similar to our story maybe, or what we knowing
or grew up knowing, just it can also apply to us, right?
But mainly a lot of those things are specific to Korea and we can
never forget that, that sometimes some things will be
for Koreans. Yes I agree, so thank you so
much Pam for going on this really hard journey with me and
talking about really difficult topics and re watching a show
and you're not a re watching type of person.
I really so appreciate it so much.
This was a wonderful conversation.
Pam, where can people find you online?
So first of all, thank you so much for having me.
It was so fun in a way, entertaining, lovely, sad,
everything all at once like tomorrow.
And I'm pretty much on every social media platform that you
can find. But I would say that I'm most
active on Instagram and Tiktok if talking about all kinds of
Asian dramas. And if you like BLS more like
Thai BLS, Japanese BLS, I'm on Twitter very active talking on
that. Awesome.
So we'll link everything in the show notes for you guys.
And that's it, we'll be back next time.
That's our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
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