1 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:21,790 I'm Jessica and this is Taba K Rambles where a couple of 2 00:00:21,790 --> 00:00:26,350 friends review Korean dramas and we are back to review a slice of 3 00:00:26,350 --> 00:00:29,550 life K drama that really broke me to pieces. 4 00:00:29,550 --> 00:00:32,950 And for this episode, I am joined by my good friend Miguel. 5 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:36,680 How are you, Miguel? I was all right. 6 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,200 Yeah, we I was doing great. We were fine and then we watched 7 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Move to Heaven, which is what we'll be reviewing today. 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,480 If you're unfamiliar with my guest host today, if you want to 9 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,880 scroll back and listen to the two Squid Game episodes, you can 10 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,680 listen to the 2521 review Snowdrop, First Love the Glory, 11 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,720 Alice in Borderland. Miguel has been on the tip out 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,720 for you quite a bit and I basically chose this a long time 13 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,520 ago secretly and then finally talked to you about it at the 14 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,880 beginning of the year. I think we were at a movie with 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,880 our friends and we were chatting afterwards and you were talking 16 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,760 about some of the media that you were consuming at the time. 17 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:28,600 I think this was late 2024 or summer 2024 I think. 18 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Yeah, it was around that time. It was. 19 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,200 Yeah. And you were just talking a 20 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,600 little bit about how you were really resonating with some of 21 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,880 the media, and one of them had to do with, like, grief. 22 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,800 And you were talking a little bit about your grief journey 23 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,920 with your mom. Yeah, all of us strangers, Yeah. 24 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,240 And I said, I don't know why. I thought, oh, let's just up the 25 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,120 ante here. Let's watch Move to Heaven. 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,120 I said, oh, you would love Move to Heaven. 27 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,880 This K drama that came out a few years ago. 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,920 It's really good. And put that in a back pocket. 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Neither of us watched it, but you know, for Season 6 of 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,640 Tibock, I was like, hey, I know we got Squid Game going on. 31 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:14,880 I know season 2 and three are coming out in 2025 and we got 32 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,680 that. But did you want to watch Move 33 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,440 to Heaven? When you first mentioned it, I 34 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,560 was like, you know, no, but this was at the very like, so I was 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,040 looking for ways to kind of explore my grief in a kind of 36 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,080 healthy way, which is a really difficult thing to do. 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,080 You know, I think that a lot of media around grief can fall into 38 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,000 like solipsism, despair, like just complete hopelessness. 39 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,680 And no matter how bad it gets, I try to, you know it, it's 40 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,360 important to have hope. It's important to have faith. 41 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,400 So I was really careful with what I was watching. 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,920 And so when you mentioned this, I had this very split thought of 43 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,760 like, I understand It's like I think you would love this is a 44 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,720 very weird way to phrase that. But it's also I knew what you 45 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,320 meant. And I'm like, OK, well, at this 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,080 point, this was you got me at the point where I started 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,400 watching like Dazed and confused Dogma, Like I went from really 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,840 highbrow grief to just keep living, man, hippie hangout 49 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,000 movies and whatever. So I'm like, I'll put that in my 50 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,400 back pocket and we'll come back to that. 51 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,680 But when I saw the concept for Move to Heaven, even at the 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,320 time, I'm like, OK, I'm not ready for this now. 53 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Whenever that was, I think it was last summer even or even 54 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,480 early spring, it was very close. It was very close to when it all 55 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,000 happened. I was like, this is a very 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,880 interesting concept and I want to see it but I can't right now. 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Yeah, I mean, I didn't push it. I was like, you know? 58 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,600 No, no. We'll do this later, if 59 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,480 anything. I had like a mild panic attack 60 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,280 because I'm like, wait, I want to come through for this because 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,440 I love recording. But on the other hand, it's like 62 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,760 no girl, like we'll come back to this. 63 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,120 Yeah, I, I really didn't talk to you about Move to Heaven until 64 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,440 basically like a year later when I was planning season 6 and I 65 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,520 said, damn, I really do want to rewatch Move to Heaven. 66 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,040 And if I'm going to rewatch it, I would love to extend the 67 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,760 invitation first to you, Miguel, to see if you want to watch it 68 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,640 and we can talk about it. And you said yes. 69 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,440 So here we are. We're going to talk about here 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,360 we are, damn it. 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The MTL synopsis reads Han Guru 90 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,800 is an autistic 20 year old. He works for his father's 91 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,480 business Moved to Heaven, a company that specializes in 92 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,520 crime scene cleanup where they also collect and arrange items 93 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,640 left by deceased people and deliver them to the bereaved 94 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,600 family. When Guru's father dies, Guru's 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,760 guardianship passes to his uncle, ex convict to Sangu, who 96 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,400 is a martial arts fighter in underground matches. 97 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,320 Per the father's will, Sangu must care for and work with Guru 98 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,480 and Move to Heaven for three months to gain full guardianship 99 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,000 and claimed the inheritance. Eyeing money, Sangu agrees to 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,440 the conditions and moves in. The show was adapted from the 101 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,440 nonfiction essay Things Left Behind by professional trauma 102 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,720 cleaner Kim Sibiol. Kim Sibiol is the first person 103 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,080 in Korea who worked to arrange articles left by the deceased. 104 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,680 So interesting. Very. 105 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Yeah. This show aired in its entirety 106 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,720 on May 14th, 2021, and it is 10 episodes long. 107 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,200 It is directed by Kim. So long. 108 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,640 This is his first K drama directing job ever, but he's 109 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,120 written and directed a lot of movies. 110 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Some of those were notebook from my mother, How to Steal a Dog. 111 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:35,560 She came from fantastic pair of suicides, 1 Shining Day, a 112 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,520 segment called The Treasure Island and into the Mirror. 113 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,360 And there's more where that came from that he also just directed 114 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,000 and didn't write and direct like Tarantino the whole thing 115 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,720 because he directed one segment of this film called 1 shining 116 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,800 day in 2006. It makes me think that he's 117 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:59,080 familiar with doing sort of an anthology, and that's very close 118 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,480 to what Moved to Heaven sort of is a lot of chapters of people's 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,040 stories. The writer is Yunji Young, and 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,200 she's done not very much, but what she has done is very 121 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,600 iconic. She's only written Boys Over 122 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:23,680 Flowers from 2009. Oh well, if that's all I mean. 123 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,960 So she wrote Boys Over Flowers, She wrote Operation Proposal 124 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,360 from 2012 and Angel Eyes from 2014. 125 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,520 I have watched all three. I did end up dropping Operation 126 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,120 Proposal. Operation Proposal is like a a 127 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,960 butterfly effect show where there's this guy who really 128 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,200 loves this girl, but she is the one that got away on her wedding 129 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,080 day. He's kind of like, Oh my God, 130 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,720 I've lost her forever. And he gets the chance to go 131 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,960 back in time and like, fix it because there's certain 132 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,040 junctures and moments in his life where he was like, if I 133 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,240 didn't do this or if I picked the opposite thing, I could end 134 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,560 up with her. We could be together. 135 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,360 And every time he goes back to time, he just mucks it up even 136 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,280 worse. Or he or she doesn't end up with 137 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,800 him regardless. So it was just over and over 138 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,440 again the same thing. When I'm going back, he changes 139 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,760 nothing. It comes back to the present day 140 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,280 still they're not together. It goes back in time, change 141 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,720 something else and it's it's, it's honestly really frustrating 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,440 and. It sounds really grueling. 143 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,799 It was like it feels like the movie, right like that, like 144 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,679 just having to go back. It's like this just keeps 145 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,000 getting, bro, just stay where you are. 146 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,799 Literally just let it. Just let it go. 147 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,640 It wasn't meant to be. So that's operation proposal I 148 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,120 never finished. I don't know how that ends. 149 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,400 And then Angel Eyes, which is a story of first loves. 150 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,720 They're like two teenagers. They're in love. 151 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,960 But once the girl is blind and then through circumstances, they 152 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,360 they can't be together. They grow up, but she has a like 153 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,480 an eye surgery, like an eye transplant thing. 154 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,480 So then as an adult, she can now see, but obviously she doesn't 155 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,120 recognize him as an adult because she's never seen him. 156 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,840 So like that whole thing, rekindling that first love from 157 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,800 their youth, it's wild. It's very heart wrenching, all 158 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,280 of it. Sounds, it sounds grueling. 159 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,040 It sounds grilling. And it's like, oh, and for my 160 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,360 next trick, I don't know, I'm going to film a baby kitten 161 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,400 trying to wake up its mother that it doesn't realize is dead. 162 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,400 Like for 10 episodes. Like, how much suffering can you 163 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,480 take in a single lifetime? What is going on in Korea? 164 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,680 We'll get into that with this show specifically because the 165 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:45,720 amount of times I paused and I was like, bro, is this just 166 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,640 America in a different font? Like, what is going on over 167 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,720 there? Like, what do you mean the 168 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,680 hospital's closed? Where am I Like Like I was like. 169 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,960 I know. So to round out the cast, we 170 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,840 have Idion, who plays Toh Sangu. He's the uncle. 171 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,520 He's been in about 19 movies, 16 TV shows, including most 172 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,960 recently The Art of Negotiation. He's been in Chief Detective 173 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,480 1958, all three Taxi Driver seasons, Where the Stars Land, 174 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,200 one of my favorite time traveling romances, Tomorrow 175 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,720 with You. And of course, we covered Signal 176 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,880 from 2016 on the first season of Taebak. 177 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,880 And as of today, I think this is still Rico's favorite K drama 178 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 that he's ever watched. I could see that, yeah. 179 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,800 You could see that. Yeah, that. 180 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Makes sense. It's pretty. 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,280 Excellent, though it's a good choice. 182 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:38,880 It's a class. It is. 183 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,520 Tang Jung Sang plays Han Guru, and he's been about 10 movies 184 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,760 and seven TV shows. He is pretty young. 185 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,120 When I saw he was born in 2003, I was like, ah, Dagger to the 186 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,080 heart. He's been in shows like oh, my 187 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,360 ghost clients, Nootopia, Racket Boys, which is a sports show 188 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,040 that I hear is very, very good. And of course, little show crash 189 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Landing on you from 2019-2020. You're like, oh. 190 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,160 Yeah. A couple of side characters that 191 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,240 I'll mention. Hong Sunghi plays Yun Namu. 192 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,480 Her nickname in the show was Next Door. 193 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,200 That's so funny. She's been in Navilera memorist 194 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,160 psychopath diarrhea. I want to hear your song Just 195 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,640 Dance. We've have covered Navilera on 196 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,720 the podcast view if you want to scroll back and listen to that 197 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,080 review. G Jin Lee plays Han Jung U He is 198 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,360 the father to gudu. He's been in about 14 movies, 28 199 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,560 television shows, including as far back as Jewel in the Palace 200 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:43,280 from 2003, Spring Days, Dong Yi from 2010, Designated Survivor, 201 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,920 60 Days from 2019, DP Season 2, which we have covered on the 202 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,840 podcast feed, Romance in the House most recently, and 9 203 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,320 Puzzles, which is a really, really good crime drama on 204 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Disney Plus that just I think finished airing like several 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,080 days ago in 2025. So that is our main cast. 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,120 I'm going to toss it over to you and ask, what did you think of 207 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,400 Move to Heaven? I, I loved it. 208 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Yeah. I really loved it. 209 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,240 I thought it was, I thought it was really beautiful. 210 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,400 Like just the concept by itself of having trauma cleaners, which 211 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,880 I didn't want to look into it in case it was one of those things 212 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,720 where if I Google it'll, you know, bring up spoilers 213 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,720 immediately. So hearing that it's actually 214 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,440 based on something pretty real was really interesting to me. 215 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,080 I love just the whole concept, like we're going to go in, we're 216 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,360 going to take out everything that's the most painful and then 217 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,160 you just deal with it on your own way. 218 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,240 So I loved it. I think the characters were 219 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,360 really strong. Every single one of them kind of 220 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,560 had their own thing going for them, but it was also just gut 221 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,240 wrenching. Like it was just really, really 222 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:02,800 gut wrenching. And I don't like, I think, how 223 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,600 do I put this? I think they really did a good 224 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,280 job of like the show was presented very plainly, right? 225 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,000 I never got the impression that there was a lot of melodrama 226 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,720 forcing you to feel bad about something and having go to his 227 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,880 character, he has Asperger's, if I'm right with that, right. 228 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,440 So I actually follow a few different pages on TikTok about 229 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,320 Asperger's and kind of how they live and a day in the life kind 230 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,600 of stuff. And I found having his character 231 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,720 be front and center with his condition acted as a really 232 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,760 grounding personality to everything that was going on. 233 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,400 He can't display the emotion that he feels. 234 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,280 He has a very matter of fact way of approaching everything. 235 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,280 So instead of having like Comic Relief where oh, we got to make 236 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,800 a joke because this is getting too bleak. 237 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Just his presence and how he presents things kind of gives 238 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:00,000 everything like a final line to everything. 239 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,000 It's a very it is what it is show. 240 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Of course, that changes as we go on. 241 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,200 But I thought that was a really interesting concept and it was 242 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:12,920 really just funds, not the right word, but it was a very it was a 243 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,560 solid watch. This is probably one of my 244 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:17,120 favorite K dramas in a while, yeah. 245 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,920 I'm glad to hear you say that because I was really worried 246 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,600 that it was going to hit you sideways or something because it 247 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,920 is not it's, it's a heavy watch, right? 248 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Like this. As much as I love slice of life, 249 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,000 when it's done well, also when it's done well, it's going to 250 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,840 freaking wreck you. And this is one of those shows 251 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,360 where if you're into it, it's going to really upturn you. 252 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,120 And it's emotionally just a beautiful story. 253 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,840 And it's talking a lot about grief, how you handle it, how 254 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,640 different people that are neurodivergent would handle the 255 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,240 same event. And it's all a valid experience. 256 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Like it's there's nothing greater or lesser. 257 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,200 How should you look at life? How should you look at the 258 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,200 losses that you take in your life? 259 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,200 And I think that ultimately the show is very optimistic. 260 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,320 About everything, yeah, that's the word. 261 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,040 That's a word that I would use. And I feel like that's not 262 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,240 something that's very common and there's a very life goes on 263 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,520 approach to it. Like there's still pain and 264 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,400 reconciling literally and figuratively with what people 265 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,520 left behind. Just showing that death isn't 266 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,760 really the end. Like everything gets affected by 267 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,680 a person's death, whether love, hate, indifference, anything, 268 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,960 that death is going to reverberate and cut through 269 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,320 everything and it's only a matter of time before you run 270 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,280 into it. But it handles it with optimism, 271 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,600 which you really don't see. Like you really don't see 272 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,840 optimism with stuff like this or the topic of death in general. 273 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,520 So, yeah, interesting. And I'm one of those I have a 274 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,080 morbid fascination with trauma cleaners and crime scene 275 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,680 biohazard cleaners. And so before I even watched the 276 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,720 show, I had already known about this profession, if that makes 277 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,400 any sense. What took it to the next level? 278 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,800 What's the K drama of it is that they go above and beyond, right? 279 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,400 And they kind of like get at that in the show is that they're 280 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,400 not just coming in and wiping away all traces of this person. 281 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,240 So you don't have to deal with cleaning up all the family 282 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,400 photos and getting rid of all these receipts. 283 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,400 And of course, also the nitty gritty of like there might have 284 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,360 been a putrid body in the room that needs special care and 285 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,680 handling to get all of the cleaning done, all of the 286 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,000 sanitation handled. They are actively seeking out 287 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,720 family members or people that were important to the deceased 288 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,720 and giving closure, giving catharsis to these people, 289 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,440 helping the deceased speak from beyond the grave. 290 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,119 Giving them dignity was such a huge part of it, like even in 291 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,359 the most gruesome death that we see, which we'll get into, they 292 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,760 were especially Guru and his father, they were very steadfast 293 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,440 about, OK, we're here to clean something up. 294 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,000 Let's pay respect. Let's do this with respect and 295 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,520 just piercing together what this person was thinking, who they 296 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,079 were, what they left. Everything's a story. 297 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,040 It's so good, Yeah. I love that. 298 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,880 I love that part of it other than the just general interest 299 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,240 piece of it of like this person was left in the room for three 300 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,360 months and then we came in and we had to, you know, there was a 301 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,000 lot of stuff got under the tiles and we had to. 302 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,880 I am super interested in that. And I understand that's not 303 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,520 everyone's fascination. I know that that's might be 304 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,640 unique to a certain subset of people. 305 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,520 Might be the true crime girlies out there may understand me a 306 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,920 little better than the usual slice of life K drama girlies. 307 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,040 But that's just me. And that is also what made the 308 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,360 show different, I think, for a lot of people, is that there is 309 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:09,560 a morbid aspect to it, but there is, like you said, a lot of 310 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,200 dignity to this profession. And the way these characters, 311 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,840 you know, handle all of the belongings, all even the space, 312 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,960 when they walk into it, they pay respect. 313 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,600 As soon as they walk into it, they introduce themselves to the 314 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,920 deceased. It's very beautiful and 315 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,840 intentional. And the box being yellow. 316 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,280 Oh stop it. Like the box being yellow. 317 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,560 Oh my God. Yeah, well, do you want to talk 318 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,800 about why the box is yellow or? You're just my interpretation. 319 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,680 Yellow, I mean, yellow is just the most joyful color, right? 320 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,200 I mean, everything about how they're set up is so optimistic. 321 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,160 The fact that the company is called Move to Heaven, I mean, 322 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,360 come on, that's pretty good. And then like the box being 323 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:53,320 yellow, it's just such a joyful box. 324 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,840 And when you open that, the inside is yellow, the outside, 325 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,560 it's like very intentional design. 326 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,680 So when you open the box, you would see how the light would 327 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,520 shine in. And just like everything looks 328 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,720 illuminated in the box. Everything looks beautiful and 329 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,520 joyful and like, hey, this is the most prized possessions. 330 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,280 They're left behind, but they're in a safe, happy, bright place. 331 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,400 I love that. Like when I saw the box, I was 332 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,040 like, but I have a whole thing with yellow. 333 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,120 I love you. I'm wearing yellow. 334 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,480 I. Love yellow. 335 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,880 I love yellow. Joyful color, yeah. 336 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,440 But yeah, I just. That's a little detail that 337 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,000 stuck out to me immediately. I was like, oh cool. 338 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,200 Yeah. So. 339 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,880 You mentioned Gudu and how he is basically the conduit through 340 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,320 which we view the show a lot of the time, and he's a very 341 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,720 sympathetic character. His grief is, I think, what 342 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,440 breaks me the most when I rewatched the show. 343 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,160 How did you find him and what what were your thoughts about 344 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:50,640 Han Guru as a character? I'm gonna do as a character, I 345 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,640 think really, he broke my heart the most out of anything that 346 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,120 happened in that show, except for one thing. 347 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:02,960 But even that takes second place to I found his character very 348 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,880 difficult to reconcile with because even with being 349 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,640 neurodivergent, it shows that we all kind of experience the 350 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,480 stages of grief in the same way. He may not recognize it right 351 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,040 away, He may not process it at the same time, but that's 352 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,920 variable. It doesn't it? 353 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,200 It really gave him a strong kind of point confronting death and 354 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,920 confronting his own grief. And the stages, if you watch the 355 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,160 show really carefully, you can see them unfolding. 356 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,880 And he gets more and more agitated because he doesn't 357 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,120 understand what he's going through until it hits him. 358 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,080 And when it hits him, it hits US. 359 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,080 And when it hits US, it kills everybody in the city because 360 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:48,200 it's so incredibly sad. But I think this was a really 361 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,360 good representation of grief from a very, as far as I've 362 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:58,640 seen, uncommon perspective. But I think it is character was 363 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,320 he was funny, even if unintentionally. 364 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,000 And at times he was, he had a very strong sense of what was 365 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,520 right and wrong. And his grief journey is just 366 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,120 like ours, just like everyone's like I loved him as a central 367 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:13,840 character. He's one of the most interesting 368 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,320 characters I've seen in a long time. 369 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,680 Along with that, I want to say this is something that stood out 370 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,720 to me because I was hoping it wouldn't be like this and 371 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,040 thankfully it wasn't. There's a lot of shows that will 372 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,920 take a neurodivergent character like Oh my God, The Good Doctor, 373 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,600 The Big Bang Theory, House, or at least they're perceived to 374 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,360 be. If not, some of them are exposed 375 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:40,000 this summer and they they'll always take one of two routes 376 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,120 with it and both are so cringe inducing and horrible. 377 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,160 Either they take the comedy route where everything they say 378 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,480 is like, ah, he's so funny because he doesn't get one and 379 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,160 it kind of it feels icky, or they make him into this like 380 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,760 wide reaching savant and everybody's in awe of him and 381 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,200 everybody. And they didn't do that with 382 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,080 him. They respected Guru's character. 383 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Like, sure, there was people who didn't understand, but right off 384 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,320 RIP, they noticed. OK, there's something about this 385 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,440 guy that's a little bit different. 386 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,520 Some people react poorly to it and they're rude, but they would 387 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320 be rude to anybody. And he'll confront people who 388 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,920 can recognize his talent, but they're not falling over 389 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,080 themselves making a big deal of like, wow, he knows all this. 390 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,160 So his character was treated with so much respect, being 391 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,600 neurodivergent, but also the universe that he's in is a 392 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,560 little more grounded to that fact and very accommodating to 393 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,520 that. It's a world where people get 394 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,680 frustrated when they don't know what's going on, but they're 395 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,040 encouraged by other people to ask questions instead of making 396 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,600 assumptions. And I really like that, Like, a 397 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,720 lot. What did you get out and go to 398 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,000 his character? Like did you? 399 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,200 I think the first time I watched it, I was completely enamoured 400 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,640 by him. I was totally on his side and 401 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,920 was really upset with everyone around him who didn't understand 402 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,960 or weren't sympathetic toward him, if that makes any sense. 403 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,600 Yes, and this rewatch, I was still very drawn to him, very 404 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,000 connected with him. But Ijan's character of Sangu, 405 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,960 the uncle, I understood him a lot more. 406 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,080 And I don't know if it's because I have four more years of life 407 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,680 under my belt, but I'm like, I understand. 408 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,920 I, you know, him not understanding Gudu and being 409 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,120 very impatient with him and very aggressive and sort of like the 410 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,680 way he speaks and he's so gruff and everything. 411 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,880 I'm like, yeah. But he, you know, look at 412 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,480 everything that happened to him. He what do you think he's going 413 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:42,040 to have read all of the books on autism and all of the literature 414 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,200 and all of the YouTube videos that say, oh, so don't do this, 415 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,240 do that, don't do this, do that. No, like he's just no. 416 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,080 He literally just got a yeah like. 417 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,120 Like please. And was foisted on this adult 418 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,960 and this responsibility. So right, you know, Yeah. 419 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,480 So I had a lot more grace for EJ Inn's character of Sangu and his 420 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,400 journey as well. What did you think of EJ Inn's 421 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,000 Sangu, the Uncle character? I think with the uncle, I 422 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,840 actually really liked him from the very beginning. 423 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,400 I think that, well, we operate from the idea that if somebody 424 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,160 behaves the way he does, you know, short tempered, stressed 425 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,160 out, whatever, they have a lot of things that they haven't 426 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,280 confronted. So you can give grace to someone 427 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,720 like that. And I felt the same way, like, 428 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,640 OK, we didn't know his deal from the very beginning, but just 429 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,560 getting out of jail, you, you get out of jail to find out, you 430 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,160 know, is it, is it a spoiler? His brother, Yeah, it's in the 431 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,920 MDL synopsis at his. Yeah, So he gets out like, you 432 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,440 find out your brother's dead. You know, you find out you have 433 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,240 to take over as a guardian for your nephew and then live in 434 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,080 your. Like, it's just such a stressful 435 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,320 situation for anybody. And you get to the place, you 436 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,400 realize there's all these conditions that are attached to 437 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,560 it. They use it and ask for you 438 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,280 didn't even have a good relationship with your brother. 439 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000 So I had a lot of empathy for his character. 440 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,000 And besides that, I found him really funny. 441 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,840 No idea. He's like. 442 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,400 Super great. He's so. 443 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,240 Funny, literally. Like he, he was a bit rough. 444 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,480 He was a bit, but I didn't see him necessarily as a bad guy. 445 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,720 Like if they were trying to make us hate him at the beginning, it 446 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,120 didn't click for me. I was like this. 447 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,600 He's just funny and he's not going to go out of his way to 448 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,280 abuse his nephew. But I liked him. 449 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040 I thought it was funny. I thought he stepped up to do 450 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,400 the right thing when he needed to, you know? 451 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,040 And just watching his growth as a character is really rewarding. 452 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,680 I agree. Like he has a very good payoff. 453 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,480 So I totally agree. There's a moment with him that 454 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,240 we can get into in the spoiler section that yeah, broke me in 455 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,320 half. And I don't know if it the same 456 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,160 moment broke you, but yeah, I love EJ and he's a great actor. 457 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,880 And this role is suitably gross. Like it's it's a gross person. 458 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,880 He doesn't have great sense of personal hygiene and he's he. 459 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,680 Has a mullet. He has a. 460 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,360 Mullet, He's kind of an oath, but I like him. 461 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,880 It like despite everything, I like him. 462 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,200 I thought on this watch that moved to heaven reminded me a 463 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,640 lot of Rain Man. Oh, OK. 464 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,400 Oh, you know what? Yeah, I could see that. 465 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,120 Where Eden's character is Charlie Babbitt, which is Tom 466 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,720 Cruise's character in Rain Man. And it's like the same setup, 467 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,880 you know, he learns that his estranged father has died in 468 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,640 Rain Man and he returns home to discover he's completely 469 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,000 basically cut out of the will. All he has is the Rose, the Rose 470 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,960 Bush famously, and one car left by his father. 471 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,200 But the millions of fortune that his father left behind is left 472 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,280 to the mental institution where his older brother Raymond, and 473 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,200 lives. That's Dustin Hoffman's 474 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,840 character. And Dustin Hoffman plays 475 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,720 another, you know, autistic savant who, yeah, very famously 476 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,920 goes to Vegas and, like, takes Vegas. 477 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,800 That's that's the thing with Korean dramas though, right? 478 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,640 Like you'll be watching something in 1/4 of the way 479 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,040 through and like, wait a minute, this seems familiar. 480 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,160 This. Seems familiar. 481 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,920 It's like, let's go. And then it's always a 90s 482 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,760 movie. And you're like, right, yeah. 483 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,160 I mean. Let me be clear, it's a very 484 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,320 good spin on DO. A Little Rain Man, which is in 485 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,600 1988, it kind of swept the Oscars that year, was the number 486 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,080 one grossing movie that year. And at the end of the movie, 487 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,960 it's very similar to Move to Heaven where their lives are 488 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,880 changed, right? Their perspectives are 489 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,080 different. And maybe Dustin Hoffman's 490 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:43,600 Raymond isn't in any way, shape or form a cured or anything of 491 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,400 his condition. But in rubbing elbows with his 492 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040 brother, Charlie Babbitt's Tom Cruise. 493 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,960 Tom Cruise's Charlie Babbitt, I should say, is changed. 494 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,840 She's like, it doesn't matter. The money doesn't matter 495 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,360 anymore. I'm just happy to have a 496 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,440 brother, Yeah. With understanding comes, you 497 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,720 know, Yeah, coexistence and all the rest of it. 498 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,280 And. It's very similar to Move to 499 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,520 Heaven, where, you know, Sangu, the uncle is like, yeah, it's 500 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,800 really not about the money anymore. 501 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:19,120 Yeah, What can I contribute? You know, I'm just so happy to 502 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,840 have this nephew and care for him. 503 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,240 And, you know, there's a real connection and bond here that 504 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,800 we've forged in the last three months. 505 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,880 And none of this is explicitly stated, which I love. 506 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,920 No, it's actually you're wondering until the very last 507 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,600 minute whether or not it's actually clicking. 508 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,320 And it's like, oh, OK, OK, thank. 509 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200 God, absolutely. Who is the most annoying 510 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,800 character to you? Next door's mom. 511 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,120 Oh my God, yes. Like girl, leave me alone. 512 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,200 Like I get like my God. And you know, let me be clear. 513 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,720 She's not even in the show that no she like if we had to count 514 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,080 maybe 5 appearances maybe, but just the nagging and the 515 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,920 screaming and the throwing of cops and this and that. 516 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Like by far, yeah. I didn't really have a problem 517 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,160 with even next door. Next door was a little bit 518 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,400 pushy, but it's justified considering, you know, they're 519 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800 young. She's a next door neighbor. 520 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,080 She cares for this person who she sees as defenseless and is, 521 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,360 like, freshly an orphan. So even on her worst day, I'll 522 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,240 be like, OK. Like, she means well. 523 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,400 The mom, though, like, how dare you go over there and it's bad 524 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,680 luck to clean out people's houses and you're lying to me. 525 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400 And you're like, non-stop. Like, yeah, enough. 526 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,520 Yeah, there's enough. It's just like a superstitious 527 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,760 bunch over there. It's always with the 528 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,800 superstition. Don't leave a ceiling fan on. 529 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,800 You'll die like you've heard about that, no? 530 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,320 What's that about? Yeah, so apparently they don't. 531 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680 And correct me if I'm wrong, I've read this a few times over 532 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,040 the years. I've looked into it, but 533 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,720 apparently in Korean culture there's something called Korean 534 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,520 fan death where you can't just leave a fan on because you'll 535 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,160 die and it started from some electrical. 536 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,000 It started with a very reasonable explanation, but then 537 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,240 it evolved into like, it's bad luck to have a fan on. 538 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,520 And I'm a superstitious guy. I don't know if you know that, 539 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,040 but in a very, very, very mild, small ways, like the salt over 540 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,560 the shoulder thing, whatever. But but leaving a fan on like 541 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440 it's hot, like we live in, we can't touch that. 542 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,360 We're going to get cursed. You know what I mean? 543 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,440 Like, yeah, it's adaptable superstition. 544 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,000 I'm leaving the fan on. All right. 545 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,080 Well, I think we've come to the point where we can probably get 546 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,120 into the spoiler section. So what would you rate this show 547 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,440 out of Fives Hoju bottles? 4 1/2 Four. 548 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,080 And a half, all right, I would give it a four. 549 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,400 What is the half point off for? There is something that didn't 550 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,920 pay off at all for me. It's a major plot point. 551 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,160 It's with the encore and I don't. 552 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,400 I feel like if they had a couple more episodes, it would have 553 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,280 paid off. But sometimes I wonder whether 554 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,480 or not they should have introduced it at all. 555 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,080 Because we come to the end of it and I'm like, OK, I feel like 556 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000 maybe there was supposed to be a second season. 557 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560 It feels like there was supposed to be a second season. 558 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960 So I was already, like, on top of all the mourning and 559 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,240 grieving, that was something I had to add to my plate because 560 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,800 I'm like, what the fuck is Season 2? 561 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,720 Like, excuse me, I'm sorry, but like, where is it? 562 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,040 I'm like clicking frantically like where is in it, but other 563 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840 than that, and it's, it's such a small thing in general in terms 564 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,160 of things I didn't like, but by virtue of that, I can't give it 565 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,560 a 5, but I'll give it a four and a half, okay? 566 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,240 I'll give it a 5 out of five because I love this show. 567 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,400 There's probably very, very few things that I would change about 568 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,000 it, if anything, if I can even come up with something in this 569 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760 episode to necessarily complain about. 570 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,680 I love the show. I think it was better on 2nd 571 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,760 watch. It hit me so very deeply. 572 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200 I was crying. I was sobbing especially in the 573 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200 final episode. And you mentioned season 2. 574 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,480 There is no season 2, unfortunately or fortunately. 575 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,080 I of the opinion that K dramas should just stick to the one 576 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,320 season format as is traditional. And I don't see the need to 577 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,320 return for a season 2, although you can interpret the very final 578 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,480 scene as being like, well, then what's going to happen with this 579 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,040 person like it? There has to be. 580 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,480 There's more stories and you absolutely can iterate. 581 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,440 You can certainly do more Move to heaven clients and stories 582 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,960 drum up some through line for the nephew and the uncle to 583 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,320 solve in the course of a season 2. 584 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200 I. Genuinely and generally don't 585 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,880 care for a season 2 and there has been nowhere of a season 2. 586 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480 I looked up move to have in season 2 to see if there was 587 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,960 anything about it. Netflix hasn't said anything 588 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,640 about it. There's fake trailers online for 589 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,400 a season 2. Yeah, I. 590 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,720 Kept coming across that sketchy blog on Filipino Facebook. 591 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,080 Yeah, like. People will those K drama 592 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,040 editors are like fucking vile. They'll do whatever to just get 593 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,200 someone to click on their page and that is, I think that's 594 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640 evil. Like people genuinely connected 595 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,800 with the story and they want, if they want a season 2, they're 596 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,480 looking for this online and then they see this fake ass trailer 597 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,880 like that's rude. That's so rude. 598 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,280 Horrible. So unfortunately for in your 599 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,160 case, there is no season 2 and I'm sure that upset you. 600 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,840 I'm sure that's part of the .5. Yeah, but not for the reason you 601 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,600 would think. It wasn't for the final scene, 602 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,840 it was for something else. OK. 603 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,680 OK. Yeah. 604 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,560 All right. The final scene, I'm like, OK, 605 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,440 OK, But like, yeah, OK. We'll go get into it. 606 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,480 Yeah, yeah. Get into it. 607 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,480 Yeah. Right after this. 608 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,240 Excuse me. I can't tell. 609 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,400 I can't tell. You know I have no tingle. 610 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,080 Oh, sorry. Swear discussing shirts. 611 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:16,800 What All right, we're on the other side of spoilers. 612 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,560 So we are going to talk a little more in depth about what happens 613 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,040 in Move to Heaven and I would love to start us off and know 614 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,199 what what made you downrate and move to Heaven. 615 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560 What got me was the Fight Club thing. 616 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,199 OK, The Fight Club thing confused me. 617 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,080 I felt like they were building something, but I never really 618 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,960 felt the stakes of the Fight Club. 619 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,480 I felt like there was a tension with the uncle just like, OK, 620 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360 like, you know, he has someone after him. 621 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,320 He's going to gamble away the house and this. 622 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,199 But I never felt the stakes of that. 623 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,280 I never. So when there's finally a battle 624 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,400 and then his friend is like let or his prodigy that he brought 625 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,520 up, it just felt like not a useless pop point, but it I felt 626 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,960 like it should have either been resolved by the time he got to 627 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,040 the house and he just lives with that grief and lives with his 628 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,120 own regret. But every time they would go 629 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,160 back to it just, I was like, OK, like, what's the threat? 630 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040 Yeah, I think you know. What I mean like I didn't, I 631 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600 didn't get it. Like I didn't get what they were 632 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,760 doing with it. So OK, I took. 633 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200 This way differently than you because even though it ends with 634 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,760 a little bit of a wah wah wah in the story, I took it a little 635 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,080 better than you because he does need this kind of closure with 636 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,880 his protege, his friend that he trained and was in a coma. 637 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,040 And this friend was actually he this this guy is actually really 638 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,760 famous now. It's Iduk. 639 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:55,440 He plays Kim Sochol, who's the protege dude who he saves from 640 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,600 like a bullying situation. And then he just sticks around 641 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:05,480 and becomes a national boxing champion, which I was like, OK, 642 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,240 all right. But I was like, you know, 643 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:16,480 Korea's really small. But anyways, so, you know, all 644 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,800 this to say, he is basically still ensnared by this old life 645 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,000 of his where he's in this underground Fight Club and the 646 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,120 the bitch bookie who's, you know, lying to him and saying 647 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,040 like, Oh yeah, I got like a new fighter for tonight. 648 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:37,760 She's very exploitative and conniving and she is still like 649 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560 trying to drag him into this life and say like, oh, you owe 650 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,760 me because she's the one that's paying the hospital bills for E, 651 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,120 jokes Sutrol. Like that? 652 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,680 Character. Oh crap, never mind, I take it 653 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,720 back. I forgot about that detail. 654 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,200 Entirely OK, OK. That's what she's like. 655 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,520 You got to fight. You have to fight. 656 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520 Please come back and fight. And he's like, no, no, no. 657 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,560 But also he is desperate to save Sutrol. 658 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000 He is immensely guilty. Yeah. 659 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,840 Over what? He, he's still alive. 660 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,280 So it's him trying to hold on to like, OK, all right, I get it 661 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,520 now. Never mind, I'd like to change 662 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,240 that. And now it's a 5. 663 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,040 No, I mean, like it's still if, if it didn't work for you, 664 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,000 that's fine. But that's this is how I took it 665 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,680 and how I was reading it is that he was just so, so in pain, so 666 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,720 guilty and would do anything to save his life. 667 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,800 And it was never part of the, you know, you would think that 668 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,040 maybe he's like, no, you have to get him to live so that I don't 669 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,520 go away from murder, right? He's like, no but. 670 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,920 It's not, Yeah. It's not that at all. 671 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,400 He's saying you have to get him to live because I, I basically 672 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,720 can't live with myself if he died and you and I'm not going 673 00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:00,880 to let you live either if he dies because it's totally on you 674 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,280 as well. That's real. 675 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,360 And then what? The bookie, the bookie being in 676 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,880 the world that she is, when he does die, she's like, you should 677 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,640 be thanking me, like, that's all your problems gone, right? 678 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,200 You're dead. You're not going away. 679 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,600 Like, you're fine. And it's like, I'm not fine. 680 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160 So yeah. It's it's painful. 681 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,760 And that character as well serves as a almost like a found 682 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,200 family type of deal for Sambu's character before he obviously 683 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,880 reconnects with Gudu and the whole, yeah, gosh, that side of 684 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,600 the family. His brother, his blood brother 685 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,960 is, you know, he spent years presumably training this kid, 686 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,320 watching him rise up the ranks and become a boxing champion. 687 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,680 He says he wants him to go to a sport university or become, you 688 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,440 know, an Olympian. But get get out of this life 689 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,800 somehow and don't be like him because he's in a freaking 690 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,360 underground Fight Club. He's not. 691 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,760 He's like, I don't be like me. So I thought that was all part 692 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,000 of him taking responsibility for someone other than himself, for 693 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,560 him loving somebody else other than himself. 694 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,000 And then when he makes a mistake and loses that person, it's 695 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,320 completely devastating to him, to his character. 696 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,520 Yeah, and it forces him to confront his old grief with. 697 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,200 His brother, yes, exactly so. You know. 698 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200 Because Sichol was calling him hyung, you know, older brother, 699 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,000 it's, it's a lot. It's a lot in there that's 700 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000 packed into that one relationship. 701 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,920 One thing that I found interesting was that Suto's 702 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,000 younger sister was the one that was taking care of him in the 703 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,040 hospital. And when Sangu goes to visit the 704 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,280 hospital, she's like, look at what I'm doing. 705 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,160 Like this is what the reality is, is that I'm giving him 706 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,840 sponge baths. He has no consciousness, he's in 707 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,600 a full on coma. He's brain dead. 708 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,160 This is no life. No, even if they were to get 709 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,120 because there's the moment with the surgery and the doctor very 710 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,640 plainly tells him, look, we can do it, but he's he's going to 711 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,120 die in surgery. There's just no. 712 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,680 And he tries to get it done anyway, but even his sister's 713 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,600 like, you need to let this go. You need to let this go. 714 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,840 And that's like. He's gone. 715 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,840 Even if they fix it, he's gone. So yeah. 716 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,840 I found that really special, and that is a type of grief that I'm 717 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,000 sure a lot of younger audience members have never dealt with of 718 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,680 caregiving for a family member. Yeah, it's not. 719 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,920 I think that it's very. If you haven't been through it, 720 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,600 it's very like, first of all, it's. 721 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,880 Complicated. It's complex. 722 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,320 It's very, I felt. A lot for the sister and I was 723 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,360 very upset with Sangu who is basically delaying the 724 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,680 inevitable and throwing money down the drain, hoping that he 725 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,880 will get better or hoping that he'll just subsist in this 726 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,400 vegetable like state. Yeah, because before they're 727 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,800 gone, I think a lot of people from the outside would look at 728 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,080 that and say, well, wouldn't you want to keep them alive? 729 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,360 And it's like, no, because there are fates that are worse than 730 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,480 death. There are situations that are 731 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,440 worse than death and a situation just really begins to rot. 732 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,720 It's easy to look at that. And it's like, oh, well, what do 733 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,160 you mean you're going to sign a do not resuscitate form? 734 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,200 What do you mean you're not? And it's like, and if you're 735 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,880 directly in it, it's like it's not about an inconvenience. 736 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,040 It's not about a burden. It's not about a loss of love in 737 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,120 most cases. I mean, there's so many, it's a 738 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,680 kaleidoscope of just like earth shattering grief that happens 739 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,120 before what you know is going to happen is going to happen. 740 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,680 So you look at a situation like that and at a certain point 741 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,320 there's this acceptance where it's like I have to let go 742 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,240 because if I don't let go, this is going to undo me and 743 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,960 everybody around me. And also the reality of the 744 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,400 situation is very plain. And his sister was there and you 745 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,160 can recognize, I'm sure you you saw it like on her face. 746 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,120 She's like, no, like this, this needs to end. 747 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,040 It's. No life for her, it's no life 748 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,920 for him. You know, Sutol, the kid that's 749 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,080 in a coma, you know, Sangu just didn't see that. 750 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,200 He was like, no, he has to stay alive. 751 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,880 Yeah, that's but. He never changed a diaper. 752 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,520 I mean, yeah, very. It's very evident. 753 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,400 If you know, you know, Right. So like it, it makes sense why 754 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,720 he would want to do that. But ultimately what ended up 755 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,880 happening was for the best. So yeah, like it had to be so. 756 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,320 Yeah. So. 757 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,880 OK, so we've gone over over that whole thing, but there's so 758 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,640 there's so many stories. What was your favorite episode 759 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,800 or or you know story client of Move to Heaven? 760 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,480 Favorite is such a funny. Well, let's say I'm kidding. 761 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,320 I'm kidding. It's fine. 762 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,480 Not. Favorite, but, you know, 763 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,920 memorable ones, no. Yeah, the most memorable ones. 764 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,880 Oh, OK. The most memorable ones were the 765 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,120 school teacher. OK. 766 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,320 All right. Talk about it. 767 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,880 Yeah. The school teacher, 1, was 768 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,000 grueling. It was just grueling because it 769 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,800 was my favorite because three major things happen. 770 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,000 First, there's a school teacher, you know, she, she's looking 771 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,360 after the kids. She's doing living her life. 772 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,560 A friend teacher of hers just introduces her to this guy. 773 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,080 This guy becomes incredibly obsessed with her and ultimately 774 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,360 just kills her. But what I love about that 775 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,240 episode specifically is that good shows that he understands 776 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,280 love, what it is and what it isn't. 777 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,320 He can differentiate obsession and like possession from actual 778 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,160 true love. And we get to see in his own 779 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,840 way. It took me a while to get it, 780 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,120 but we get to see in his own way, him expressing real anger 781 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,440 towards the school teacher's assailant. 782 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,360 Like her murderer. Yeah, the stalker. 783 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,920 So he, I love the way that that episode played out for the 784 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,840 detective work. You know, they get there and get 785 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,200 her pieces together. He's like, this woman keeps all 786 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,520 of these instruction manuals to everything. 787 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,240 We found everything except for the camera. 788 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,560 She doesn't have a pet. She knew she was in danger. 789 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,480 Works with the prosecutor. The prosecutor shows him the 790 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,040 video, which was gut wrenched. Well, that wrong choice of 791 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,120 words, no pun intended, gut wrenching like shows him killing 792 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,440 her and saying you're a cruel person, you're a liar, you're 793 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,680 all this stuff and. He just starts laughing, yeah. 794 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,280 He just starts laughing even as the lawyer. 795 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,040 Was gagged the. Defensive lawyer was like and 796 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,840 he's just like looking down like holy shit, who am I defending? 797 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,600 I love that episode because it shows and all the episodes do in 798 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,160 their own way. They show different kinds of 799 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,400 love and different kinds of the impact that a person will make 800 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,880 on people's lives. So my favorite moment of that 801 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,680 episode, aside from the camera reveal and everything, because I 802 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,280 love detective work. I think you know this like I 803 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,480 wanted to be a detective, I wanted to do all this. 804 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,480 So seeing all that play out is so cool. 805 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,280 But when go to is like, it kind of flips the narrative. 806 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480 I have to give this box to somebody who understands and I 807 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,720 need to show. So he shows this drawing of all 808 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:09,160 her students that will no longer be able to ever see her again 809 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,400 and how much they love her and how, oh, when I grow up, I want 810 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,120 to marry you. Oh, you're so pretty. 811 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,840 Thanks for not yelling at me for not eating broccoli, whatever. 812 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,120 And Gooder just keeps repeating over and over like, you didn't 813 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,160 love her, you didn't love her, you didn't love her. 814 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,400 And it clicked in my head at that point. 815 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,520 It's like, oh, he can't. His condition doesn't let him 816 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,080 really super duper express outwardly. 817 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,360 But this is the analog to shouting at somebody and just 818 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,720 screaming at them and trying to show that anger. 819 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:42,360 And seeing how that kind of shook up the stalker also really 820 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,840 got to me. But that episode was really hard 821 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,160 because it happens every day. You know you meet the wrong 822 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,320 person and it spirals out of control before you know it. 823 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,520 That's it. So. 824 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,880 Yeah, this episode was definitely brutal. 825 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:01,240 It was episode 3 and I can't remember where where I heard 826 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:06,440 this, but stalking is a murder in slow motion, yes. 827 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,480 I've. Heard and this was exactly that, 828 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,360 right? This guy inserted himself into 829 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,960 her life and was clearly obsessed with her. 830 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,640 She wanted nothing to do with him. 831 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,280 And there is a small moment where you see in a flashback, he 832 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,920 shows up at her apartment. He's banging on the door. 833 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,400 Let me in. Let me in, let me in. 834 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,360 The cops get called and he lies his way out of the situation 835 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,440 saying, oh, look, we're, we're lovers, Like we're just having a 836 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,760 little spat or whatever. And the cops leave. 837 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,320 They leave him there on her front door. 838 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,400 No more questions, no more they're like oh OK, bye like 839 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,520 which is fascinating to me because it it really something I 840 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,600 love about K dramas is it reminds you there is no utopia. 841 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,080 It seems like people are alike all over. 842 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,120 Nobody listens to women with stuff like this. 843 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,160 And it's it's weird because it's like, how do you even explain 844 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,400 that? Like, oh, yeah, we showed up. 845 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,400 But he said it was just a fight they were having. 846 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,320 It's like that's a domestic disturbance. 847 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120 There's people screaming loud enough to wake neighbors and all 848 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,320 that. Like, what do you mean you just 849 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,160 leave? Like I don't it's. 850 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,400 Troublesome. It's madding and obviously it 851 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,400 ended with her losing her life. And for nothing completely. 852 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,000 Avoidable. And we don't know. 853 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,880 They don't tell us. Oh, she took out a restraining 854 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,040 order on him. She did all this or whatever, 855 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,920 but it shouldn't have to get that far. 856 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,640 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. 857 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,400 It shouldn't have to get that far. 858 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,040 There was plenty of times to stop it. 859 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520 I do like in that episode that the uncle will see he's going on 860 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,720 his run, like just training, and he sees this woman getting 861 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:46,600 thrown to the floor and that Herman is just like, you know, 862 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,720 degrading her, making her feel terrible, just abusing her in 863 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,280 general. And he just runs past. 864 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,800 Like, you know what? That's none of my business. 865 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,760 But after that situation and realizing, oh, I can step in and 866 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,280 do something. I can help someone. 867 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,040 We understand why later because the first time he intervened for 868 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,160 this kid who was getting beaten up by all these bullies, he took 869 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,360 them on as a brother and all this. 870 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,160 So, you know, of course he would be hesitant to try to step into 871 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,200 another situation again. But I think that was a really 872 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,280 cool moment for him because he's like, no, I, I have to do 873 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,160 something about because he sees them fighting again. 874 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,240 Beats the shit out of the dude. Yeah. 875 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,840 Yeah, it emboldened him to do something about it. 876 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,280 It's. A very pivotal episode. 877 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,360 Yeah, it's. Super pivotal. 878 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,120 Also you learn, I'm not sure if it's now or later but you do see 879 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,680 in flashback form his childhood and how he did come from an 880 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,560 abusive household where his father was a piss poor drunk and 881 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,880 was constantly beating up on their mother and beating up on 882 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,200 him too. That was gut run as a child 883 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,800 screaming like just kill me and he's like I'll never give you 884 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,560 what you want. I was like what the fuck? 885 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,000 Oh my God. So I can understand from his 886 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,320 point of view how he's like, I just don't want to get involved. 887 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,320 Like this is more trouble than it's worth to insert myself into 888 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,840 somebody else's story. And I feel like that is also a 889 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,240 very pervasive Korean thought is like, mind your business. 890 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,120 That's not my business. That's not my household. 891 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,080 That has nothing to do with me. Yeah, it's and it's kind of like 892 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,960 and. That's not really an American. 893 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,000 That's not really an American ideal. 894 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,920 I would say, no, it isn't. And I would like to make a call 895 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,320 back to this, to the Squid Game episode that we had where this 896 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,760 dude comes with all this food and he's mocking all these 897 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,520 people and he starts like crow hopping on top of all the food 898 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,880 and everything. And I think I mentioned like, if 899 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,440 that happened in Washington Square Park or anywhere, that 900 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,560 guy would have gotten his shit rocked so hard, so fast. 901 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,120 But I don't see that in these Korean dramas. 902 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,960 I'm not going to say that that's a direct reflection of their 903 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,920 society. I don't know, but I do something 904 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,680 that always throws me about all these Korean dramas. 905 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,200 Someone's having a heart attack and collapsing to the ground. 906 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,720 Someone's just, and people just walk by. 907 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:55,240 Like it has nothing to do with me. 908 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,240 Like everyone just walks by and it's weird. 909 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:03,000 It's so weird and frustrating to watch like, like, help them up. 910 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,960 They're on the floor like. Extended bystander effect. 911 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,760 Yeah, it's weird, but. Instead of the bystander effect 912 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,200 is, oh, somebody else will handle it. 913 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,680 There's surely somebody else will come and help this person 914 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,560 or take care of the situation. Call 911, whatever it is. 915 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,600 I feel like in Korea, the bystander effect is no one's 916 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,600 going to do anything about this, Why bother? 917 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,120 Yeah, I hate it. It's weird. 918 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,640 So that's. That's the episode that really 919 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,000 stood out to me the most. That's the episode that we get 920 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,800 so many different angles you see you go to expressing anger, not 921 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,160 at himself or not in the form of frustration. 922 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,960 So that was really cool. Seeing the uncle's character 923 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,400 kind of grow past that bystander effect was also really nice. 924 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,200 The did you notice something I wrote this down there was did 925 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,560 you notice how many women in power there were in this show? 926 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,880 Like, did that stand out to you at all? 927 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,920 Like no. But ask me about it. 928 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,520 Yeah, so there's like a lot of women in power here. 929 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,240 Like you got the ringleader of the underground Fight Club, you 930 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:08,480 have the prosecutor of this case, the main detective of this 931 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,080 case, you have what was the name of this woman? 932 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,000 We meet her in the episode where, Oh my God, the old man. 933 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,160 Oh my God, yes, the the social worker. 934 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,200 Yeah, we have so many women at the like. 935 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,040 A lot of the major characters were women. 936 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,680 That really stood out to me because that's not really 937 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,360 common. I don't have anything to 938 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,880 elaborate on that. I just found it pretty 939 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,120 interesting. Yeah, I agree that there are a 940 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,800 lot of female characters in this show that are movers and 941 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,680 shakers, you know? Yeah. 942 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,680 That's the best way to they're they're leaving an impact. 943 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,080 And she recognizes specifically the prosecutors and detective, 944 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,440 Detective, rather, she recognizes Godot's talent right 945 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,840 away, doesn't make a big deal of it, but decides to kind of keep 946 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,560 an eye on him. So love that. 947 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,520 And that payoff is great, too. So yeah. 948 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,720 You mentioned the social worker though that is played by Suyong 949 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,360 from SNSD slash Girls' Generation. 950 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,720 Oh yeah dude. Yeah. 951 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:17,160 And that episode is one that really convicts you. 952 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,960 Whether you agree or not, it's going to convict you in some 953 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,240 way, shape or form. The story of the old man janitor 954 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,880 who calls move to heaven trauma cleaning for himself and his 955 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,520 wife who was in a long term care facility, but he checks her out 956 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,400 and they commit suicide together. 957 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,800 There's a lot. There's just a lot here. 958 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,720 I mean, there's a lot in every single one of these episodes. 959 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:44,040 But this one particular we talked about dignity in the non 960 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,240 spoiler section. And I think that as we get older 961 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:52,240 and, you know, the aging population as people get ill, 962 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,680 there's a loss of dignity when it comes to long term care, when 963 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,520 it comes to paying for long term care. 964 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,400 And dying in some way, shape or form on your terms is really 965 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,960 difficult to do. Absolutely. 966 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,320 You're at, I mean, you're beholden to so many things. 967 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,200 What your family wants, what the doctors want, what you know, and 968 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,600 it's and especially at their age, it's like, what are we 969 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,880 going to do? You know, like, how long is this 970 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,000 going to go? Yeah, it was a very challenging 971 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,080 episode it. Is challenging because they 972 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,560 basically euthanize themselves. Yeah, they euthanize themselves. 973 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,440 This has been pretty controversial for a while, yeah. 974 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,640 Absolutely. Yeah. 975 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,960 And the uncle is super black and white about it. 976 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,360 He refuses to clean the rooftop apartment. 977 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,640 He says he thinks it's cowardly and cruel to commit suicide. 978 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,760 It's tantamount to murdering his wife, his Good Wife. 979 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,880 There's no way to know if she wanted to die alongside of him. 980 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,200 And he says they're going to hell. 981 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,480 Like, he goes so far as to say, oh, they're going to hell. 982 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,240 Guru is like, hey, like, we don't talk about that kind of 983 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:00,760 shit around here. Yeah. 984 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,840 Like immediately, like puts a stop to that because that's 985 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,200 what's interesting about that, right? 986 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,160 Okay, sure. I work in an underground Fight 987 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,320 Club and yeah, I don't treat everybody the best. 988 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,000 And sure, like, I'll see a woman getting beat within an inch of 989 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,760 her life, but you know what I'm not going to do? 990 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,640 I am not going to abide suicide because it's disgusting. 991 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,200 And it's it's those very hypercritical, these very 992 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,320 hypocritical and hypercritical moments of just like, oh, that's 993 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,000 where your morality shows up to extrapolate all sorts of 994 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,080 judgement from a situation you can impossibly understand. 995 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,560 That's where I draw the line. And I think that that's this 996 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,480 show is so well written because he would be the kind of dude to 997 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,320 do that. Right. 998 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,880 Yeah. Like to look at it and be like, 999 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,600 oh, well, and then there's like a fear in there too. 1000 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,200 Like, I'm not going to go in there to clean up. 1001 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,000 Yeah. Like, he already wasn't that 1002 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,600 helpful to begin with, but he was like, I'm not going to go in 1003 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,160 there to clean up. That place is cursed. 1004 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,920 They took their lives. They're ungrateful. 1005 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,280 They're this. And it's like, oh, OK, right. 1006 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,640 You know, maybe you could help other people. 1007 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,280 Maybe you could find other ways to be, you know, to stand on 1008 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,640 principle of morality. But and we see that all the time 1009 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,400 that's you do. So, you know, in it's Sweden, 1010 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,240 right? I think it's Sweden. 1011 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,400 They've had a program for a while and you it takes months to 1012 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,920 get approved or whatever, but you can euthanize yourself. 1013 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,040 It's a very controversial process. 1014 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,840 This woman shared her story about it and everything, and 1015 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,880 it's controversial, but it always kind of fits into this 1016 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,240 episodes kind of narrative, you know, where is the line and how 1017 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:35,600 much choice do you actually have? 1018 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,360 Yeah, it's just yeah, in. This case, the old man had 1019 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,520 terminal pancreatic cancer. The infirmed wife had been 1020 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:49,080 basically bedridden for presumably years and was in this 1021 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,840 facility, was not living with him, needed 24/7 care, and she 1022 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,360 had been saving her sleeping pills for suicide and was trying 1023 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,560 to convince her husband to join her. 1024 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:04,560 She's like, let's go together. And once he gets that terminal 1025 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,960 diagnosis, he's like, I'm going to make your wish come true. 1026 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,760 He says fine, like let's do it, let's go together. 1027 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,480 Checks her out of the hospital when they go home and with 1028 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,840 pancreatic cancer, forget it. Like you only find out that you 1029 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,880 have it when it's too late. Like that's just a fact. 1030 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,440 The. Old Man was played by Zhong Dong 1031 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,040 Huang who is a prolific actor. He has been in things like When 1032 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,120 the Phone rings, Hotel Deluna and he was the dad in the airs. 1033 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,600 And then the old woman was played by Kanye Shim. 1034 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,480 Funny you brought up Squid Game. She is the season 2 mom and 1035 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,520 Squid Game player 149. And she's also been in a bunch 1036 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,760 of K dramas like A Virtuous Business and Tell Me That You 1037 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,400 Love Me. She actually got her starting K 1038 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,080 dramas a little later than Zhengdong Huang, but also a very 1039 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,400 well known face. I love this episode because 1040 00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,680 there's a lot that's like, not really said. 1041 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,080 It's kind of cultural. They're living in a rooftop 1042 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,960 apartment and the rooftop apartments in Korea are cheaper. 1043 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,960 They're less desirable because they're so high up. 1044 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,440 There's no elevator, less and less installation. 1045 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,280 They're prone to extreme heat in the summer, extreme cold in the 1046 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,520 winter. It's almost like a temporary 1047 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,920 structure up there. It's not private because the 1048 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,280 rooftop is kind of like a backyard for everybody in the 1049 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800 building. So everybody can come up to the 1050 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,160 rooftop and right outside your door, and it's almost a surefire 1051 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,080 sign that someone is living poorly. 1052 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,040 You know, it's kind of impoverished. 1053 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,680 It's like those maid chambers in Paris where you have that like, 1054 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,040 have you heard that? Like you know, the top of those 1055 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,960 buildings, they rent them out legally, illegally, but it's 1056 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,320 like an attic where the maid used to live or whatever. 1057 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,160 Like maybe 200 square meter apartment maybe super tiny 1058 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,200 window that looks out, same thing. 1059 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,960 They don't have AC anyway but it's burning hot. 1060 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,920 No insulation, no bathroom, no nothing. 1061 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,680 It's just you're like a border in that own room so not a good 1062 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,760 sign. You're either a student or 1063 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,840 you're broke. Yeah, exactly. 1064 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,560 So they're living up there, this old couple or the old man. 1065 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,320 And it's not until the uncle comes in and finds this tiny 1066 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,080 door leading to a beautiful greenhouse full of thriving 1067 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:28,080 flowers and plants. That too young, the social 1068 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,720 worker says. Does this look like something 1069 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,880 made by an evil man who killed his Good Wife? 1070 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,680 And. That's no he had such an 1071 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,040 appreciation for life. His whole bit with the flowers 1072 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,200 was amazing there. Was a lot of language of flowers 1073 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,080 in this episode he. Knew all the meanings of the 1074 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,920 flowers. He had written them all down. 1075 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,520 It was beautiful. It was so cool. 1076 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,720 It was, it was very beautiful. And a lot of those flowers that 1077 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:55,080 he grew himself or saved himself from people's garbage piles and 1078 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,880 things like that, they are the flowers that adorn their funeral 1079 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,320 and it's beautiful. It's just really sad. 1080 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,520 It's so moving I. Know I love the whole thing and 1081 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,000 even the language of flowers comes back towards the end of 1082 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,880 the episode when the social worker sends back pink dahlias 1083 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,280 to the uncle. The meaning of those are happy 1084 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,920 to know about your heart. That was so cute. 1085 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,440 Yeah. I love that. 1086 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,360 The moment where Gary tries to give the flowers back. 1087 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,040 I also that that was something that I really loved about this 1088 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,920 show is that he doesn't always get it right and he doesn't 1089 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,440 always get his way. So Guru keeps trying to do what 1090 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,280 he thought was right. He gets all these flowers, tries 1091 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,480 to give it back to the residents. 1092 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,440 He's like, and they're like, what the hell do I want that 1093 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,600 for? And he's dead. 1094 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,040 Are you trying to bring me a curse? 1095 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,600 Like what is this? And of course the only person 1096 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,800 who accepted it was the little girl which that was earth 1097 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,640 shattering, saving up her pocket money to buy him and and like an 1098 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,240 air con unit for his. Yeah. 1099 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240 Like little office. Yeah, yeah. 1100 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,320 It was so sad and but he didn't like good doesn't always get 1101 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,360 what he wants and that's a really. 1102 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,440 He doesn't see how people would perceive it. 1103 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,760 Right, 'cause some. OK, what about the episode with 1104 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,960 the son and the mom? The mother who has dementia? 1105 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,960 Oh. Dude, Oh dude, that. 1106 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,800 One was gut. That's a that's even earlier 1107 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,280 that one I. Think that was the first one 1108 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,720 that they did without his dad, yeah. 1109 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,320 I think it's episode 2 where this episode the uncle moves in 1110 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,280 and then the old lady with dementia dies alone and there's 1111 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,840 a lot of maggots and bodily fluid on the floor and the money 1112 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,920 grubbing son and daughter-in-law are like throw everything out. 1113 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,920 We just want whatever money or bank book is in there. 1114 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,680 And he has to wash all that bodily like excretion, Yeah. 1115 01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,760 It's. And he just does it because he's 1116 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,240 like, well, that's my job. So sure, he's like. 1117 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,520 Yeah, we can clean the money with chemicals and they're like, 1118 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,760 well, do it. I mean they're just so rude to 1119 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,600 him right off RIP. I actually have a note here. 1120 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,480 I I wrote this a couple of times and that was the first time I 1121 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,720 wrote it and I was like wow, everyone this trio encounters is 1122 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,440 collectively such a piece of shit. 1123 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,640 They are. And then later, by episode 6, I 1124 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,760 was like, why is everybody in this universe such a piece of 1125 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,120 shit? Like, it's, they're so horrible. 1126 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,800 They're so horrible. And they take him for granted. 1127 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,960 They take his work for granted. But there's a good kind of 1128 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,080 gotcha moment with that, right? She has dementia. 1129 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,200 She's walking around. And this whole time she was 1130 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,920 trying to save up. All she could think about was 1131 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,440 her son. That's it. 1132 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,120 We don't know what led them there. 1133 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,320 We don't know what led them to being estranged or anything. 1134 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,760 He always looked like a brat, even in like the flashback 1135 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,040 sequences. But this woman, she still had 1136 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,000 her own life. And even though she did the same 1137 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,400 thing every day, her mind never left the same thing. 1138 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,080 He finally, finally gives him the box and he's like, I don't 1139 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,520 want anything to this. You can't trick me into like 1140 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,600 confronting this situation, opens it and finds this nice 1141 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,760 little like nighty or like yes. This is thermal underwear, so I 1142 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,000 can explain this a little bit. So it's a tradition. 1143 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,880 It's an old tradition for sons and daughters to give red long 1144 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,200 underwear to their parents as a symbolic gift when they received 1145 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,160 their first monthly salary. Since houses were not heated in 1146 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,720 the past, long Johns were the best present for offering warmth 1147 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,640 and coziness. So it is an old Korean 1148 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,600 tradition. This happened in the 80s when 1149 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,840 the son got his first paycheck and he did give his mother, you 1150 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,200 know, red long Johns, red thermal. 1151 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,760 Underwear, she never used them. She was just so proud of the 1152 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,640 fact that her son actually got a job and he write, she writes on 1153 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,960 the and it was in 1988. 88, yeah. 1154 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,840 So everybody was struggling, You know, that's that ominous Korean 1155 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,920 year. And she's like, my son got his 1156 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,960 first job and the date that she received it. 1157 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,520 And I'm like, oh, I'm going to throw up. 1158 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,880 Like I'm so I'm so set like and it's she never stopped thinking 1159 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,920 about him. That's he's all she really cared 1160 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,520 about. So he's like, she was like, I'm 1161 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,520 going to get you a suit. I'm going to buy you a suit. 1162 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,120 And it becomes like her route every day. 1163 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,400 And it's just so gut wrenching. My God. 1164 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,520 You see all these pictures that she has. 1165 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,360 That one hit me the hardest because it's like when they're 1166 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,600 packing up her place, you see all of the stuff that she owns 1167 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,480 all these pictures, whatever. And you see her in these 1168 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,760 pictures, and it's like, I don't know what she envisioned for her 1169 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,360 life or who she wanted to be when she was an adult, but it 1170 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,280 definitely wasn't what she ended up as. 1171 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,360 Yeah, it's just so beautiful but also so sad. 1172 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,720 And you can't run away from your feelings, right? 1173 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,000 Because there's gonna be a kid with a yellow box who's gonna 1174 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,400 shove it onto you. And that's it. 1175 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,520 Like, you can run as far as you want. 1176 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,000 You can collect all the money. You're gonna confront it. 1177 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,600 So yeah, that. Was a a really moving episode 1178 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:09,800 and I agree that the dementia grandma with the thermal under 1179 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,160 Oh my God. Oh my shit, me out of here. 1180 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,680 Oh my. Shayla What did she think of the 1181 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:23,360 Doctor Who got sliced in the neck by a crazed patient and 1182 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,680 died in the Ed? But he was actually a closeted 1183 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:33,440 homosexual and his parents never accepted him and completely shut 1184 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,040 down his relationship with his cellist lover. 1185 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:43,040 It's amazing how you can be everything your parents want you 1186 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,880 to be, and if you do one thing that's out of line and they're 1187 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,080 not the right person, nothing you do will ever matter. 1188 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,320 So. I just like, closed my eyes for 1189 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,240 a second because like that was so spot on. 1190 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,560 He's like, like, he's a, he's a doctor, right? 1191 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,520 He's an accomplished, like, what else could he possibly owe you? 1192 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,560 You know what I mean? That story was really gut 1193 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,080 wrenching because it's another one. 1194 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,880 Like I was watching him like wow on Pride month, but then I 1195 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,680 realized it was like 4. Like the show's like 4 years 1196 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:15,080 old. The show. 1197 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,800 'S four years old, yeah, but. I thought that that was a really 1198 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,320 sad episode. It was just really terrible. 1199 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,720 But it also, it's not about, I want to word this really 1200 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,720 carefully because I don't want it to come off as like shifting 1201 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,360 responsibility or anything. But it's amazing. 1202 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,160 What keeps you tied down, right? He could have chosen himself. 1203 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,160 You know how final death is. Makes you realize it's like, OK, 1204 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,840 all these rules exist. All these expectations for me 1205 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,120 exist. How I live for myself exists. 1206 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,720 Until the 2nd I died. Then it was all for nothing 1207 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,360 because I could have just gone to San Francisco. 1208 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,040 I wouldn't have died. Also, it's always sad. 1209 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,280 It's always the wrong person to get killed, isn't it? 1210 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,160 That whole thing was just terrible. 1211 01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,920 Wait, who should have died instead? 1212 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,400 Well. The craze, not him. 1213 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,680 The crazed. The crazed, the. 1214 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,240 OK, Yeah. Who's like, give me drugs? 1215 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,080 Give me drugs and holds a scalpel to a woman's neck like 1216 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,880 no one was getting out of that one alive but and then seeing 1217 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,240 his parents more his dad than anything like he's. 1218 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,040 Like a war dog. He looks like a clown. 1219 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,920 He's wearing like it's like he has all these ribbons and stuff, 1220 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,960 like he, he's like in full military regardless of burning 1221 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,080 all his son's things. That's like, you look so 1222 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,720 ridiculous, the fact. That they didn't. 1223 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,800 They were. They're the parents, Yeah. 1224 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,960 And he lived, I think, in their house. 1225 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,600 That's a question all about his he. 1226 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,200 Lived with them I think is how I interpreted it. 1227 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,600 And they did not clean out his room. 1228 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,120 They still hired out. I think it signals that they 1229 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,400 really didn't love him. They just expected things from 1230 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,880 the mom loved him. You could see grief, but there's 1231 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,160 a difference between the two. I see this a lot with a lot of 1232 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,640 parents, especially of queer children, gay children, any 1233 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,280 across the board or even outside of that through the lens of 1234 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,320 like, this is what we want you to do for a living. 1235 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:05,680 This is who you're being raised to be. 1236 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,160 The very Rory's going to Harvard thing, You know what I mean? 1237 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,880 Like you drill something onto someone for so long and the 1238 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,480 second they fall short of your expectations, that's not love 1239 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,240 anymore. You created a person, you're 1240 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,240 building up a person and no matter what they do, they could 1241 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,480 fall in line with everything you want. 1242 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,640 It's not going to be good enough because it's not going to be 1243 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,000 what you envisioned. That's not love, that's an 1244 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,280 expectation. That's a hope. 1245 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,200 That's an investment at best. In these parents mind, the 1246 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,000 mother showed some semblance of regret. 1247 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,320 She's like, you know, if we would have just let him go, he 1248 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,600 wouldn't even be dead. And the father refuses. 1249 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:40,720 He's like, well, it doesn't matter. 1250 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,080 It's better this way because I would have never accepted that 1251 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,960 and he wouldn't live right. The shame of it. 1252 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,800 Right, like at that point your priorities are your military 1253 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,360 legacy, what your war dog friends think. 1254 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,680 The thought of being embarrassed, the fear of maybe 1255 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,280 being embarrassed or humiliated or like you fell short 1256 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,960 supersedes anything good your son will ever do. 1257 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,760 There was never, he was never going to win anything with his 1258 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,800 parents, so he may as well firebounded and moved to San 1259 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,040 Francisco, I mean. The doctor was played by Kwan 1260 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,800 Suhyon who is most recently from Buried Hearts. 1261 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:21,120 He was in Cafe Minandong Record of Youth Abyss and 100 Million 1262 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,319 Stars falling from the Sky, AKA The Smile Has Left Your Eyes, 1263 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,840 which we have covered on the podcast feed. 1264 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:32,399 Yeah, I thought this was another really difficult episode. 1265 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,319 I don't know. Hearing Christmas music anytime 1266 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,240 outside of Christmas always brings a little tear to my eyes. 1267 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:43,000 So that Christmas song on a quartet of cellos? 1268 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,359 Come on, I it. Was beautiful, like it was like, 1269 01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,479 Oh my God, and it was that should have been its own romance 1270 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,000 thing. Like it was a good romance and 1271 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,439 they were both very we. Missed out on a good BE elder. 1272 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,359 Yeah, that would have been a really good BL and it could have 1273 01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:00,040 ended the same way. Maybe that'll be the spin off 1274 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,240 like we'll just. Ends in tragedy no matter what. 1275 01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:08,720 I mean, don't they always? OK, so I'm going to move to the 1276 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,880 end of that episode. Guddu says He envies Mr. Ian, 1277 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,640 who is the cellist, because he got to hear from the doctor and 1278 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,040 receive this present. There must have been so many 1279 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,640 things that his dad wanted to tell him, but he never heard it, 1280 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,359 never got the chance. He swears up and down that his 1281 01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,080 dad was not ashamed of him because every time he faced 1282 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,439 obstacles, every time he got bullied or he got kicked out of 1283 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,640 school because he was talking too much, he wouldn't shut up in 1284 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,520 school so they just he could not attend regular school. 1285 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,600 His father said not to worry, that it wasn't his fault. 1286 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,600 God. That was so gut wrenching. 1287 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,800 And that is such a simplistic but honest and innocent way to 1288 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,560 look at, you know, it's almost evidence based love. 1289 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,600 Yeah, yeah. It's like, well, that can't 1290 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,680 possibly be true because so the idea that he couldn't wrap his 1291 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,760 head around why this guy's dad just didn't love him or wouldn't 1292 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,400 accept him, he's like, I don't get it, right? 1293 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:14,600 And he's envious of the cellist because he got that closure. 1294 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,040 He got that final word from the doctor. 1295 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,800 And he was like, I never got that. 1296 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,960 I know that my dad had something to tell me, had more to say, 1297 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,200 more to give me. And he didn't get that chance. 1298 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:33,240 And like, I don't, I don't want to get emotional on the podcast, 1299 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,120 but like we all have those moments in our lives where we're 1300 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:41,640 like, there's things left unsaid and I can't, I can't have those 1301 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,960 words. No, you have to. 1302 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,200 It's funny because I was just having a conversation about this 1303 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,640 this morning. It gets to a point where it's 1304 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,600 like if you remember the things that were most important that 1305 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,640 you heard from someone before you lost them and you grow with 1306 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,600 them, they change shape. So this is like really whatever, 1307 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,880 but just hear me out. Like you'll take something that 1308 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,480 you hear and not only will it take shape, but you can kind of 1309 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:11,040 see it evolve. Everything you remember from 1310 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,680 someone that you lost. Good advice, bad advice, things 1311 01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,920 you agree with, things that you don't. 1312 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,840 As you grow older and your perspective changes and it 1313 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,080 shifts and it morphs into something else, you can see 1314 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,600 everything you remember from them evolve with them. 1315 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,760 So that does live with you, but only if you choose to see it 1316 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,800 that way. But especially at the beginning, 1317 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,120 you're like, wow, I'm never going to hear anything new 1318 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,680 again. And I'm sure there was so much 1319 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,960 left on set. And it's just, how do you live 1320 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,720 with that? But Guru finds a way to do it, 1321 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,440 Yeah, in his own way. So it worked out for him, sort 1322 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,560 of. Stop it. 1323 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,400 And also he found the phone. Yes, he stop it. 1324 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,480 So one thing before we get to the phone in the final like 1325 01:11:55,480 --> 01:12:01,400 couple of episodes is in episode 7, the uncle finds his older 1326 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,200 brother's business card, the move to Heaven business card in 1327 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:10,640 with Udaic's medical files. And he was diagnosed with 1328 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,520 chronic traumatic encephalopathy, CTE. 1329 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,880 And this is the biggest bullshit of the show actually, is that 1330 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:23,200 the only definitive diagnosis can occur during an autopsy. 1331 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,960 So the fact that he had a whole like medical diagnosis, he was 1332 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:33,320 printing out Google Sheets on CTE and the symptoms of CTE, 1333 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,880 that would never happen. You know, you don't know if you 1334 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,040 have CT until it's basically too late, until you're dead and they 1335 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,320 can crack open your brain and be like, oh shit, he or she was 1336 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,640 suffering from CTE. Symptoms of CTE occur in four 1337 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,240 stages, generally appear 8 to 10 years after an individual 1338 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,960 experiences repetitive mild traumatic brain injuries. 1339 01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:58,080 I'm not sure if 8 to 10 years had even lapsed between when 1340 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,680 they meet and when he dies. Yeah, that's in it. 1341 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,080 It it just didn't track. I was like, oh, OK, because. 1342 01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,720 We get a 10 years prior flashback when they meet, but 1343 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,280 that doesn't mean 10 years later, like in the present day, 1344 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,760 he had just died or he had just succumbed to his injury. 1345 01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,320 Yeah, just doesn't it? Was like, OK, so it's only been 1346 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,240 several years, you know what I'm saying? 1347 01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,720 All right, between that and oh, he fell in a coma after this, 1348 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,680 the Fight Club I. Mean, I guess they could have at 1349 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,200 least gone for like, oh, he has a TBI, you know what I mean? 1350 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,400 Like, yeah, or they could have gone in another way. 1351 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,000 But they don't have to make stuff up either, yeah. 1352 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,160 Like the CTE diagnosis that cannot be made in a living 1353 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,120 individual. There's no definitive test to 1354 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,880 prove the existence in a living person. 1355 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,440 So I'm sorry, like that part was not. 1356 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,000 They're usually good with stuff like that in Korean dramas 1357 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,880 'cause they're so medical heavy all the time. 1358 01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,280 So I wonder why they chose to take creative liberty with that 1359 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,560 when they could have just gone with a TBI. 1360 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,320 Yeah, like, I don't get it speaking. 1361 01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:07,760 Of the K drama of it all, the bookie bitch kidnaps Gudu in 1362 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:13,000 episode 8 just but then lets him go very easily. 1363 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,640 She's like, don't, don't make me stoop so low as to kill a kid. 1364 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,720 Like that's what she had said. She's like, don't make me do 1365 01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,080 that. But that's where the show 1366 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,600 started getting a bit. Something that I liked about the 1367 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,320 show is it got kind of Boxcar Children, you know, like the 1368 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,800 three. It got very Hardy Boys for a 1369 01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,480 second there. So when they kidnap him and he's 1370 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:38,880 just playing cards cuz I guess you know Rain Man but. 1371 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,760 I was thinking that, too. I was like, this is so Rain Man. 1372 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,720 He's just playing cards with the bodyguards. 1373 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,400 Yeah. OK, so wait, I just want to know 1374 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,200 who tipped off it was good too, right? 1375 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,040 Or who tipped off the detective about the underground fight? 1376 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,240 Yeah, it was good too. It was. 1377 01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,000 Good too, right? Yeah. 1378 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,400 OK, Cool, cool, cool. OK, we have to talk about the 1379 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,400 first time I lost my shit in this show. 1380 01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:09,360 Like truly lost my shit was the June 29th birthday ritual. 1381 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,320 On the same day every year, Guru goes out with his father and 1382 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,800 this is the first year that he went out by himself to have a 1383 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,560 picnic, quote UN quote with his dad. 1384 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,240 It's the amusement park, chicken restaurant, pizza, Chinese. 1385 01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,800 And then they go to Sue in train station and do like a little 1386 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:31,400 like prayer and they put a little smooth river rock and do 1387 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,200 a like a Little River rock tower right by the train station. 1388 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:40,960 And that is when the uncle realizes that it's for him. 1389 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,280 It's on his birthday. And he's pissed and he's because 1390 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,600 he's like, great. Like, so you treat me like I'm 1391 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,520 dead, but you abandoned me. And then we find out this 1392 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,360 department store collapse, which apparently is a real thing 1393 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,200 that's. Absolutely true. 1394 01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,040 That's 100%. It's like the biggest loss of 1395 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,480 casualties in a time of non war. And I was like, what? 1396 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,400 Because I saw the footage of this building collapsing and it 1397 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,120 was like, oh, it's real. It's totally real horrible, 1398 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,840 yeah. June 29th, 1995, Sampung 1399 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,720 Department Store in Sochodong, Seoul suddenly collapsed due to 1400 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,320 structural failure, which resulted in over 1000 1401 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,240 casualties, employees and guests. 1402 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,280 The 5th floor showed signs of collapse in the morning of a 1403 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,040 disaster. They ignored it and decided to 1404 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,520 stay open while fixing the problems. 1405 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,720 At 5:52 PM, the entire building collapsed in 20 seconds, making 1406 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,800 a pillar of dust. The damage estimates were 270 1407 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,120 billion won. A total of casualties included 1408 01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:43,480 501 deaths, 6 disappearances and 937 injured. 1409 01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:46,080 It was the biggest casualties since the Korean War. 1410 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,600 And this is all direct from Guru's mouth. 1411 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:53,160 It's true. And it's real and it's, I think 1412 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,840 it's the notion of like this, this was a part that gave me a 1413 01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:01,160 tremendous amount of relief because the actor especially who 1414 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:06,320 plays good his father, he is like kindness humanized. 1415 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:12,560 Yeah, he has, like, whatever. He just looks very, very kind 1416 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,840 and very nice. So I was like, I really hope 1417 01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,160 they don't pull A twist. Or I was like, oh, he just left 1418 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,880 them there to rot in this train station. 1419 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,880 So I was like, oh, thank God. Yeah. 1420 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,360 We did get an Instagram question that says what if the older 1421 01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,560 brother actually did abandoned Sangu. 1422 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,080 I don't see it. So he was time and place is so 1423 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,480 important for this and also looking at their society. 1424 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:45,760 So it's 1980 what this happened 9595 ain't no social media. 1425 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,280 Ain't no none of that. OK. 1426 01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:52,040 Like these are two runaways who are trying to find a way to live 1427 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,160 a new life without being found to begin with. 1428 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,400 Nobody knows that that kid is there. 1429 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,080 The older brother is older. He's not that much older. 1430 01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:59,720 He's. Still in school? 1431 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,440 He's still in high school. Right. 1432 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,240 So the whole idea is pretty far far fetched, but they're doing 1433 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,120 what they think they have to do to survive to begin with. 1434 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,480 He gets into the department store. 1435 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,640 He buys the shoes that his brother wanted. 1436 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,720 Do you know how? Like, how long is it going to 1437 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,840 take to clean up that mess for him to regain consciousness? 1438 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,840 Yeah, they said. He was trapped for three days 1439 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,800 and then he was stuck in the hospital recovering. 1440 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,080 That's it. Like how is he ever going to 1441 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,040 find him again? Right. 1442 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,520 Yeah. The thing of that was they 1443 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,000 didn't want to be separated. The little boy was going to be, 1444 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,960 the uncle was going to be put in an orphanage. 1445 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,840 You know, that's like a, that's a bad look. 1446 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,680 There's a stereotype and a, a prevailing notion around 1447 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,200 orphans, right? In Korea. 1448 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:49,560 You don't know where they come from. 1449 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,000 There's a lot of mystery surrounding them. 1450 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,040 They could be anybody. They weren't raised right. 1451 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,080 You know, they didn't have parents or family to show them 1452 01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,520 right from wrong. And so they could potentially 1453 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,120 turn out to be criminals. They could be murderers. 1454 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,000 You have no idea. So the brother was like, no, we 1455 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,840 can't be separated. I'll come and get you at the 1456 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,040 train station on your birthday. And it just never had this 1457 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,280 tragedy, had this very true tragedy happens. 1458 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,720 He gets stuck under a building. Yeah. 1459 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,160 And then he had to go to physical therapy and all this 1460 01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:17,920 other. Yeah, he had. 1461 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:23,040 To completely get rehabilitated and it completely fractures 1462 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,520 their relationship. Yeah. 1463 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,080 Severs it completely we. See how they're treated. 1464 01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,880 There's that episode with Matthew where he's looking for 1465 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,080 his mom, He is born, he's or he he's given up for an adoption. 1466 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,040 Nobody in Korea wants him so they ship them off to the US to 1467 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,000 go get adopted. Then they have no state status. 1468 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,240 It's a whole thing. So I don't buy the And also he 1469 01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,440 bought all those Nikes anyway. He did make a concerted effort 1470 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:53,200 to try to find him, but I'm sure there's privacy laws around 1471 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:54,240 that. Like you can't. 1472 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,360 Even if a social worker or something saw that he was 1473 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,760 looking from, they can't. Just why? 1474 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,960 Would they give that information to a teenager? 1475 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,680 Yeah, and why would they give it to anyone knowing the situation 1476 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,120 this kid is coming out of? That could be somebody dangerous 1477 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,800 from his previous life. And then at this point, I, I 1478 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,840 wouldn't, I didn't buy it. And I'm glad that they didn't go 1479 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,600 in that direction. That was going to be really, 1480 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,320 really annoying. If they did, it wouldn't have 1481 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:16,880 fit. Uh huh. 1482 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,880 So especially with how we find out how the Father finds Gudu to 1483 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,080 begin with. Yeah. 1484 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,960 Oh, no. Stop. 1485 01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:29,240 That if you have anything else, because if we're getting there, 1486 01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,320 that was the episode that was just like. 1487 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,320 Well, I'll say so. I did break down when Sangu the 1488 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:40,000 uncle finds all the Nikes and he finds like the little the little 1489 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,560 baby Nike. I, I like lost it. 1490 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:42,520 It was. So sad. 1491 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,160 I was like and a. Little like that kind of was it. 1492 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,840 Then we get episode 9, which is when we get Matthew Green's 1493 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,080 story. The Korean American adoptee from 1494 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,840 New York got deported because he's undocumented. 1495 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,960 And that is a very real story, right? 1496 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,600 I remember Were you with me when we watched Blue Bayou. 1497 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,080 No, I wasn't. Oh damn, I thought you were. 1498 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:08,280 So the movie Blue Bayou is also about this very real thing, you 1499 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,720 know, this pervasive adoption story that is very painful for a 1500 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,600 lot of Koreans. And she's not the mother. 1501 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,640 And it's like the news broadcaster who feels very close 1502 01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:27,880 to Matthew Green and, you know, stitched his name onto, like, 1503 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,560 the baby blouse and stuff like that before he left her house as 1504 01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,560 a teenager. She does this beautiful 1505 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:39,120 broadcast in honor of him and it is all about this story, right 1506 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,200 we. Need to do better. 1507 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,960 The government over 60. Five years 200,000 Korean kids 1508 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,000 stand away for overseas adoption and how this is a great dishonor 1509 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:52,680 to Korea, which becomes known as the biggest baby exporter of the 1510 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,840 20th century. It's humiliating, it's. 1511 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,920 Humiliating and she calls the. Thing with choosing, like 1512 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,800 choosing where the morals show up, you can't just get rid of 1513 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,680 all these human beings just to hold up an image because then 1514 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,080 the image is worthless. It's crazy that that happens as 1515 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,640 often as it does. And that's how they've 1516 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,560 officially decided. I don't know if they still do it 1517 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,720 now. They do, I imagine right? 1518 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,960 Or. It's getting better, is my 1519 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,840 understanding of it. But there are still headlines of 1520 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:26,040 people saying, you know, it was the 80s, it was the 70s and, you 1521 01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,800 know, my mom couldn't take care of me and she put me through the 1522 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,000 system and told them specifically that she was going 1523 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,240 to come back for me. She made every effort to build a 1524 01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,720 home so that she could pick me up and Take Me Home. 1525 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,280 And when she went back for me, I was already adopted overseas. 1526 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,640 They just went like, sent me away. 1527 01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,520 That's. Insane. 1528 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,280 It's. Been a great source of 1529 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,240 humiliation for Korea. It's only getting semi rectified 1530 01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,320 now. That's a long time to hold on to 1531 01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,440 something that draconian, but sure. 1532 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:03,040 So this was a very heartbreaking story. 1533 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,840 They're they're all heartbreaking stories. 1534 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,120 But episode 10, we're going to skip to episode 10, which is the 1535 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,600 finale. I was laughing that the uncle's 1536 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,800 fight name is Nightmare. And then the opponent's name, he 1537 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,920 was a Russian and his name was Hellraiser. 1538 01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:24,560 And I was like, shoot, All right, OK, sure. 1539 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,560 I'll tell you. I at this point, this is the 1540 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,520 point in the show where I started crying and I couldn't 1541 01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:36,440 stop. It was when Guddu comes into his 1542 01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:38,920 dad's room and does the trauma cleaning. 1543 01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,880 Trauma cleans his own dad's room, and he does his ritual 1544 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,400 speech that says, you know, my name is so and so I'm here for 1545 01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,840 move to heaven. And I'm going to help you on 1546 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,000 your move to heaven. Yeah. 1547 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,640 Packs up all his stuff, his own dad. 1548 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,560 It's gut wrenching. I. 1549 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,440 Was a puddle. I was a puddle. 1550 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,400 Absolutely. Just it. 1551 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:00,800 It was just so sad. It was so. 1552 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,320 Sad but the. Final stage of the phone doesn't 1553 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,440 hit it. It is. 1554 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:09,640 And that's the scene that really got me was actually just before 1555 01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,800 that when Gooder runs away and he goes to the aquarium back in 1556 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,400 Busan that like I fell apart completely because he doesn't 1557 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,240 understand what's going on directly. 1558 01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,880 The freshness of my dad being because you forget very quickly. 1559 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,720 You start forgetting things very quickly. 1560 01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,640 So when he's saying I can't hear his voice anymore, he's 1561 01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,560 forgetting. And how familiar his dad's voice 1562 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,400 really was like it his he's starting to time is starting to 1563 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:39,480 pass and he's starting to forget. 1564 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,000 And when he starts panicking at the aquarium and his uncle shows 1565 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,480 up and he it's when he finally realizes because it's his 1566 01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,320 version of what we all do with grief. 1567 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,600 You throw yourself into work, you throw yourself into your 1568 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,200 friendships. You get really busy, you get 1569 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,880 very determined. And he's finally having this 1570 01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,840 moment of I'm never going to see my dad again. 1571 01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,400 This is it. Like he, he's not going to be 1572 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,320 here to say good job. He's not going to be here for 1573 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,720 this. And that was so gut wrenching to 1574 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,680 me because because it's just like, oh, he's getting it now. 1575 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,200 It's finally hitting him now that all of these different 1576 01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,040 things are either way, the adrenaline has dropped. 1577 01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,280 He has to reconcile with this. But it's also such a beautiful 1578 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,160 moment because then he realizes, like, at least I have my uncle 1579 01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,200 here and I want to have my uncle here. 1580 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,800 But it that part just destroyed me completely it. 1581 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,320 Destroyed me when he says I don't like this. 1582 01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,120 Yes, he says. I don't like this. 1583 01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:36,200 And I'm like, I just want to like pull him in for a hug, even 1584 01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,880 though he doesn't like hugs, because who does, right? 1585 01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,240 It's such a real global sentiment of like, I don't want 1586 01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,160 to go through this. I don't like this look all this 1587 01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,160 that. Shit. 1588 01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:56,400 Sucks and he's going through it and he he has to confront it. 1589 01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,600 He has to confront the reality. I love that he and when he's 1590 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,560 trauma cleaning the room and he's undoing the closet and he 1591 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:07,680 picks up his dad's clothes and he just like lifts it up to his 1592 01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,160 face. He just like, breathes it in and 1593 01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,080 I'm like, that's something that I wish we don't have that right, 1594 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,320 that capability to smell what the characters are smelling as 1595 01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,520 we're watching media, right? Television shows or movies or 1596 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,640 whatever. But that is very real. 1597 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,400 Scent is such a powerful tool for memory. 1598 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:31,800 So is taste and all the senses. I'll tell you, one of the most 1599 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,880 visceral memories was a few years ago. 1600 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,760 My aunts used to make pumpkin bread every holiday season, like 1601 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,520 in Mass, and give out the loaves to all of their friends, you 1602 01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,280 know, at work, at church, everywhere. 1603 01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,640 And I remember going over to their house and just watching 1604 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:54,160 them, watching them with this assembly line of pumpkin bread 1605 01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,960 and the way everything smelled and the way they looked. 1606 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,400 And it's just, like, transported. 1607 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,200 A few years ago, during the pandemic, I think, my mom bought 1608 01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:06,600 some pumpkin bread just from the store, and I picked it up 1609 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,520 without thinking and took one bite. 1610 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,360 And the taste of it, it was like in a movie, like a montage of 1611 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,880 all of these memories, just like flashing through. 1612 01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:23,000 And it was so intense. Like it just hit me right in my 1613 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,120 chest. All of the memories, the taste, 1614 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,000 the smell, like I was back in their house, you know, 1520 1615 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,840 years ago. And it completely gagged me. 1616 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,120 I took one bite and I couldn't even swallow it. 1617 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,920 I was just, like, frozen. And I remember my mom going, 1618 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,960 hey, how's the pumpkin bread? Does it taste good? 1619 01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,760 And I was like, it's good. That's all I could manage was 1620 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,320 just, it's good. And it took me, like, several 1621 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,360 months to be like, hey, remember that pumpkin bread you bought, 1622 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,080 like, in November? Yeah, that like wrecked me 1623 01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:58,120 because it took me back. And that's just one moment. 1624 01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,880 I'm sure everyone has their own particular moment where they 1625 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,200 were walking through a Macy's and they smelled their 1626 01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,760 grandmother's perfume or their, you know, something that they 1627 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,120 just. It makes them instantly 1628 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:15,720 remember, instantly nostalgic and freezes them. 1629 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:21,360 And it's, it's also the most innocuous things to like, it's 1630 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,800 the most innocuous silly things. Like I had a situation like that 1631 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,040 with Starbucks. Like, I was at a Starbucks of 1632 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,760 all places. Like, OK, I'm here doing my 1633 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,240 thing. And I hear the song. 1634 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,760 It wasn't Duran Duran. It was Eyes Without a Face by 1635 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,400 Billy Idol. And so I was like, OK, yeah, 1636 01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,120 like, I'm just trying to keep it together because my mom always 1637 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,000 listened to literally nothing but 80s music. 1638 01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:48,600 And then Duran Duran comes on and I'm like, OK. 1639 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,400 And then another song. It's the this is so stupid. 1640 01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,400 I'm going to brace you for this because it's so stupid. 1641 01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,480 You know that song I come from the land down on? 1642 01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,320 Yes. That comes on and I start 1643 01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,720 fucking sobbing. Yeah, with like a cold brew. 1644 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,480 And I'm like, Nah. And just like running. 1645 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,000 And so I was like, OK. And so watching that happen and 1646 01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,960 just how he, It's also so symbolic, the way that he would 1647 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,760 never give his dad a hug because it really does hurt. 1648 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,200 The name I'm going to start crying. 1649 01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,360 It hurts their nerves to just, you know, like it's very 1650 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,960 uncomfortable because it's so, you know, binding. 1651 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,360 So seeing him really embrace the shirt, like undid me. 1652 01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,000 It's like, Oh my God, no, it's Oh my God, the sticker, the I 1653 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,160 love you sticker. Oh my God, Yep. 1654 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,560 So many little Yeah, I. Know, I know. 1655 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,000 But he seems well taken care of though, right? 1656 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,360 Like now. That's why I love that the uncle 1657 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:46,960 came around. He grew from it. 1658 01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,640 Yeah, but that was brutal. It was it was and then the last 1659 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,560 part of the show that really, you know, this was the Niagara, 1660 01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,320 like me in a barrel pushed over Niagara Falls was this moment it 1661 01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:04,480 was He hugs the memorial trees, Yes, of his dad with the. 1662 01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:07,280 Plaques. That was so. 1663 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,240 And then you hear in voice over, what did I always say to you? 1664 01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,160 Although you can't see someone, it doesn't mean they're not with 1665 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,000 me. As long as you remember they are 1666 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:15,680 not gone. Oh. 1667 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,560 My God I hate it. I hate it and they. 1668 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,480 Made and they made me really love the dad so much yeah so 1669 01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:26,080 like just the. Father Christmas level just. 1670 01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,520 So like kind understanding person and then dad and I'm 1671 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,120 like, OK, wow. Like this sucks. 1672 01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,960 Yeah, but it was beautiful. It was right. 1673 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,040 Like, I mean, the resolution is great. 1674 01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,480 It has it has really funny moments. 1675 01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,520 It was there a moment that actually like, you know, we've 1676 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,600 done the set, like we'll we'll be here all day. 1677 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,000 If we talk about what made us said. 1678 01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,760 Was there anything that made you bust out laughing in this? 1679 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,800 OK, so when they go to the funeral for the old man and the 1680 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:58,440 old woman who euthanized themselves, the uncle goes and 1681 01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:01,840 sees another funeral that's happening for some important 1682 01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,680 director at some conglomerate. And there's tons of funeral 1683 01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:09,280 wreaths, flower wreaths around. And he goes to steal one. 1684 01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,720 And as soon as he turns around, Gudu is there and he's like 1685 01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:16,400 thief. And he starts like pointing at 1686 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,560 him and screaming thief. That was historical to me. 1687 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,840 That was so funny. That took me out like, and he's 1688 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,000 like learning in real time, like the ends can justify the means 1689 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,840 sometimes, yet he's trying to learn to be a little more 1690 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,160 flexible. Yeah, that was such a fun, like 1691 01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,040 moment. Just like they're not using it 1692 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,760 anyway. They have like 1000 of these. 1693 01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:43,040 Like we need to bring something. I laughed when they go when the 1694 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,520 uncle first shows up to the house it was after like no you 1695 01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,520 can't sleep in my daddy's room yes and honestly good like no 1696 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:55,880 you can't but like no you can eat on the floor in the living 1697 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,520 room by but when I. Don't know you. 1698 01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,760 This cracked me up and kind of he's like, well, he's not using 1699 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,000 the room. He's like, it's my dad's room, 1700 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,720 It's my dad's room. You can't and you know, miss 1701 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,720 next door decides like she's there and she's like, you can't 1702 01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,240 use the room no matter what. It's not going to happen. 1703 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:15,840 Well, where am I supposed to sleep? 1704 01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,680 And they do that classic like rough cut joke and it there's a 1705 01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,320 tent in the living room. The. 1706 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,160 Yes, the can you see? It slowly like unzipping, like 1707 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,360 the door falls and he's there with this really pissed look. 1708 01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,200 I'll give you, I'll give you one last one. 1709 01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:39,760 So when they go to the the cellist concert for the quartet 1710 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,880 next door is like, Oh yeah, you're not going to like this 1711 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,600 kind of music for sure. And was kind of like 1712 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,120 disrespecting uncle. Yeah. 1713 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,960 You cut too. They're actually in the concert. 1714 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,800 Home Girl is falling asleep in the cello quartet concert, while 1715 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,360 Uncle Sangu is wide awake, excited, clapping 1716 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,200 enthusiastically at the end of the song. 1717 01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,720 Love that I. Loved it, I loved it. 1718 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,680 There's so many little charming moments throughout everything. 1719 01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,400 Despite itself, there was so much humor in the show, and I 1720 01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:12,280 loved it. Yeah. 1721 01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,040 Wait. Was a quick little stray 1722 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,520 observation I had about that, though. 1723 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,080 Was that supposed to be like, a shocking twist? 1724 01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,240 Like we know he was going to be with a guy from the beginning, 1725 01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:21,560 right? And. 1726 01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,880 No, I think that was supposed to be shocking. 1727 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:24,760 Was. That supposed to be? 1728 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:25,840 Oh yeah. Were you shocked? 1729 01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:30,040 I mean, the first time I saw it, I was like, OK, not very 1730 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:34,400 shocked, but I totally understand how if you assume 1731 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:39,000 that it's going to be one of the three female cellist, how would 1732 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:44,040 be really shocking that it's the male cellist who's the lover? 1733 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,680 OK, I could see how they set that up. 1734 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,920 I thought that I was like projected from space though. 1735 01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,080 I was like, OK, when are we going to find out that it was 1736 01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,120 the guy? But. 1737 01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:56,560 No, it's very obvious on the rewatch, but when I first 1738 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,840 watched it, I was like, OK, I mean, it's still I had a very 1739 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:05,400 muted reaction than if I was maybe Korean or up closer to 1740 01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:06,520 that culture. That's. 1741 01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:07,400 True. Yeah. 1742 01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:11,600 OK yeah. Oh, I love the I love the 1743 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,960 diversity of the lives of the victims, too Oh yeah. 1744 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,840 Like I do like that we had a good young and old. 1745 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,800 We had a mix. We had a young guy trying to 1746 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,840 make it work. We didn't talk about that first 1747 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,400 one. The very, very first one were 1748 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,040 the kids. Oh, the. 1749 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,600 Workplace accident I have. To ask you, because you're way 1750 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,680 more in this, is it true hospitals close over there? 1751 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,360 Is that really a thing Like the hospitals closed tonight? 1752 01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,600 I've heard about this as a rumor. 1753 01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:39,600 I don't know but like. I know it's like that in Japan. 1754 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,720 Like in Japan there are like, of course they have an emergency 1755 01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,120 service if it's like very life or death, but apparently they 1756 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,040 close. So even though his leg was all 1757 01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,360 like. Mangled, you know. 1758 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,720 Crunched in and mangled. He couldn't go to a doctor. 1759 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,080 Is that I know this is so. Is that a thing? 1760 01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:02,640 So I think that one had more to do with not I don't think it was 1761 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,000 necessarily that the hospital was closed for the night. 1762 01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,680 I think it was also the fact that they were pressuring him 1763 01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:12,520 not to get any emergency service on the on the so they. 1764 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,440 Didn't have to, yeah. They were like, you didn't get, 1765 01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,240 you know, they were pressuring him and kind of gaslighting him 1766 01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,560 into not getting help. Got it. 1767 01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,800 OK, trying to silence him and claim that the company holds no 1768 01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,320 liability, even though there's a ton of evidence on his phone and 1769 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:33,200 in the text messages exchange that this was clearly, you know, 1770 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,120 coercion on the part of the company. 1771 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,480 Like come into work, fix this thing after hours. 1772 01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,120 Avoidable. All the things, the people that 1773 01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:46,160 showed up at his funeral to manhandle the mom and make her 1774 01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,760 sign an NDA or pay her off or whatever it was very. 1775 01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,600 And she was deaf and mute. She. 1776 01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,760 Was deaf and mute. And at this point the dad is 1777 01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:59,600 still alive and the dad speaks on her behalf, like translates 1778 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,080 on her behalf because he knows sign language. 1779 01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:07,080 When Guddu was younger he was nonverbal and so he that's when 1780 01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:13,000 he learned sign language. It's very sad to see how they 1781 01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,560 basically took advantage of a disabled person. 1782 01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,160 Yeah, and they tried to get ahead of it on top of that. 1783 01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:23,440 So what a good show though. Oh yeah, I think we ended up 1784 01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:24,800 talking about every single one of the. 1785 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,560 I think so too. I This whole show left a really 1786 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,400 strong impression on me. I really liked it. 1787 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,320 I'm going to see it again in a few years if yeah, I think four 1788 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:35,760 years is a good amount of time. I. 1789 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,480 Circled back several years later, I still I was still a 1790 01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:44,400 wailing mess by the end. If you've come this far and we 1791 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,480 spoiled the whole show for you, highly recommend going and 1792 01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:50,640 watching for yourself. It is a beautiful pandemic show 1793 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,640 and that's that's pretty much it. 1794 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,000 I had no other thoughts, did you? 1795 01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,800 I have one more OK, and it's really small and I can't really 1796 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,280 expand on it. So do it this what you will. 1797 01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,280 All right, good. It is like fascination with the 1798 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:06,600 the marine animals, like the Stingrays and stuff. 1799 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,400 When he goes. I just don't want yellow to die. 1800 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,920 I never want yellow to die. I never want yellow to die over 1801 01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,640 and over. And I'm like, oh, there's more 1802 01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,320 yellow again. I don't take from that way. 1803 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:18,240 You will. Yeah. 1804 01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,520 But like, he gravitated towards that really hard. 1805 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,040 Yeah. And yellow seems to be a pretty 1806 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,080 big theme throughout the show. I'm not sure what it means, but 1807 01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,760 if somebody out there watches it and gets something out of it, 1808 01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,800 you know, run it back, I guess. But that stood out to me, too. 1809 01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,160 Anyway, sorry. That's it. 1810 01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:36,160 That's all I got. OK. 1811 01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,800 I like it. Miguel, thank you so much for 1812 01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,640 coming on the show once again. Do you want to plug anything at 1813 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,120 all or? Not today. 1814 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,720 OK, I'll plug this show. Keep coming back. 1815 01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,680 Keep listening. Thank you Endow People. 1816 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,080 Well, that's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been 1817 01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:56,760 the Tebaki Rambles podcast.