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I'm Jessica and this is Teba K 
Rambles where a couple of 

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friends review Korean dramas. 
Except today we are not going to

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review Korea drama. 
We are going to review a Chinese

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drama, another sea drama. 
For this episode, I am joined by

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the drama trio. 
Hey Caitlin. 

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Hey, Liliana. 
Yay. 

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And Naz from the Swoon Diaries 
podcast. 

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How are you, Naz? 
I'm good. 

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I'm so excited to be here and to
record with you guys. 

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It's an honor. 
I'm so excited. 

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Girl like this is going to be so
much fun. 

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Why is it the drama trio and 
Naz? 

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Why are we doing AC drama? 
Why are we going to cover the 

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double, which was a huge C drama
for 2024? 

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I'll tell you, I basically got 
peer pressured into doing into 

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hosting this episode. 
So I really wanted to watch this

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show. 
It was on my queue in my watch 

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list for months. 
It came out earlier this year 

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and so I was talking to the 
drama trail. 

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I was talking to everybody. 
I was like, I'm going to watch 

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this show Q4 of 2024. 
And Caitlin was like, bet are 

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you going to do an episode? 
And I was like, I don't know, 

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like I think the podcast will be
on break by then. 

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Season 5 will be wrapped, 
Halloween spooky season will be 

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over. 
So I don't know if I'm going to 

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do an episode. 
I kind of just, you know, I 

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don't know. 
She was like, you should do an 

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episode so. 
And then I was like, if you 

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don't do an episode, I will do 
an episode. 

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And I was like, OK, OK, I guess 
I could do an episode. 

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And then Caitlin was like, yo, 
Naz is watching The Double as 

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well. 
And I was like, Oh my God, 

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that's so awesome. 
She goes, Naz has never seen AC 

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drama before. 
And I was like, wow, so The 

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Double is her first C drama. 
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So she goes, we should get Naz 
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This is how like this kind of 
evolved into me hosting a lot of

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people on this review. 
And then we told this is months 

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later. 
Like this is weeks. 

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We established a group text, so 
to speak, a group DM on 

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Instagram with me, Naz and 
Kayla. 

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And I was like, hey, Naz, I 
don't know if you know this, but

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I am posting like a review 
episode. 

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You're on it. 
And so then Liliana, I told her 

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about it. 
I was like, hey, we're going to 

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record this on this such and 
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It's going to be so much fun. 
I know you love the double. 

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If you have any pointers, 
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And she was like, oh, OK, and 
kind of quiet. 

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Later, she's straight in. 
Should I just? 

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Come like. 
Can I come? 

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So that's how the drama trio 
ended up here with Naz on the 

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offseason of Tebag reviewing a 
Chinese drama that some of us 

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have seen before and reviewed 
before Liliana, because Liliana 

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also has done an entire podcast 
review of The Devil on Her Feet.

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So all this to say. 
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Naz on here because in a 
separate chat I was like, you 

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know, Naz, you watch maybe like 
15 episodes of this drama. 

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Well me and Jess are reviewing 
it so you should finish it so we

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can have you. 
All that was just like working 

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all angles like she's like, this
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Yeah, so now we're here. 
We've all finished the show. 

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We've caught up to Liliana, who 
has had this in her back pocket 

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for many months now. 
Yeah, so this is going to be 

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fun. 
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the end of the show because 
we're we have amassed some a 

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number of patrons and so this is
getting to be a little long, but

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here we go. 
Shout out to Janet, Curtis, 

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Bale, CD, Alana, Grace, Lorna, 
Adya, Sami, Caitlin, Julia, 

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Love you guys. 
Thank you so much for supporting

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the show And here we go we are 
going to get into the double. 

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Here is my PSA for every single 
C drama review we do on the Teba

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K Rambles podcast. 
This will be a spoilerithic 

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review. 
There will be no non spoiler 

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section. 
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a barrier when it comes to C 
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They are longer. 
They're kind of a little, maybe 

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a little more niche than K 
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And so if you press play on a 
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I'm assuming, hey, you might 
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So we are going to spoil the 
double OK from jump. 

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We're going to spoil it without 
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We are going to talk about the 
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cast, and then that's it. 
Like all bets are off. 

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We're going to we're going to 
jump right into it. 

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I vote that Nas gives her 
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Oh, absolutely, absolutely. 
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through Nas 1st and then we're 
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trio, basically. 
I just wanted to say that and 

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establish that, but. 
I like that. 

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I like that rule. 
I like that rule. 

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So my drama list synopsis is it 
tells the story of Shui Feng 

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Fei, the daughter of a well off 
county magistrate who lost 

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everything after a major 
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Saved by Jiang Lee, the daughter
of the Secretariat director, she

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took on the identity of Jiang 
Lee and returned to the capital 

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with the help of Duke Xiao Hong 
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She overcame numerous hardships,
tirelessly fought against 

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injustice, rescued her father 
who had been wrongly imprisoned,

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assistant Xiao Hung and 
upholding justice, and protected

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the common people. 
I don't like how that's written 

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in like, past tense. 
It's not written in literary 

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present anyway. 
Whatever. 

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This show is adapted from the 
web novel Marriage of the The 

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Daughter by Xian. 
I'm already messing it up, Xian 

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Shan Cha. 
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Thank you. 
All Right. 

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Aired in June of 2024. 
It's a summer show. 

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It's 40 episodes long. 
It has three directors, Bai Yun 

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MO, Lu Hao Gigi and Ma Shige. 
Bai Yun MO has directed Scent of

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Time, Handsome Siblings. 
Lu Hao Gigi has directed Go 

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Princess Go. 
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actor, director and 
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He's the son of famous writer 
Hai Yan, and Ma Shige has also 

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directed My Kung Fu Girlfriend, 
Unattackable Women, and Mr. and 

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Missus Trouble. 
Obviously, this is just a 

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smattering of things that these 
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this show. 
The Double is written by Ren 

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Yanan, who also wrote Scent of 
Time, so this writer has also 

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worked with the director before,
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Destiny. 
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male lead from The Double. 
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Wang Xing Yue stars as Xiao Hung
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He's the male lead of the devil.
You might have seen him in other

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shows like Amidst the Snowstorm 
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2024 story of Kooning Palace, 
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recognize him from. 
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one of my Tik Toks from two 
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first watched Delicacy's 
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Disney Plus here in the States. 
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also in Delicacy's Destiny. 
I totally forgot that he starred

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in that show and I watched it 
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I watched that shit two years 
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I was just going to say I think 
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that one of the reasons he is 
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believes that he's 22 years old.
I cannot believe that he's 22. 

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Like when I found that out last 
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I thought that was like a 32 
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He's incredibly young. 
He's very young like my friend. 

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I've been following him for 
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sudden my FYP is just people 
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like no no he is. 
He is 22. 

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Yeah, which is shocking because 
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like how people didn't really. 
They were like, oh, there's this

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age gap done. 
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Like they're the same. 
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And I felt his age and I was 
like, what in the world? 

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Yeah, shocking. 
Yeah, so he's just a little baby

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at 22 years of age. 
He's already leading giant 

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productions like The Double, 
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funded and, you know, still 
supporting in other roles, like 

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amidst the Snowstorm of Love. 
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second male lead in Story of 
Kuning just exploded. 

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He's only been acting, I think, 
since 2019. 

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That was his first movie role, 
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working through, you know, the 
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He is classically trained 
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difference because he went to to
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he's he's like graduated from 
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So he he works, he basically 
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Biolu belongs to. 
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They run in the same circle, so 
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That's why she's he does like 
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You can tell how young he is in 
Delicacy's destiny, I will say. 

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Yeah, you can. 
Tell how much he's improved as 

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well since Delicacy's Destiny, 
which was just a couple of years

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ago. 
Obviously Delicacy's Destiny was

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likely filmed in 2021, but yeah,
so massive, massive leaps and 

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bounds he's taken in the past 
few years and then now he's 

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basically an A Lister. 
His Co star in this show is Wu 

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Jin Yan. 
She plays Jiang Li Shui Feng 

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Fei, and she is the female lead 
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She's been in about 25 TV shows,
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Pals. 
When I saw that on her resume, I

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was like, oh shit, that's right.
Like she was in Story of Yung 

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Shi Palace with Shukai in 2018. 
She had another show come out in

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2024, Kill Me Love Me, which I 
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And that one had a delayed 
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her marriage just before. 
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industry is a little bit flighty
when it comes to that sort of 

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stuff. 
So they were like, we're going 

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to hold off on kill me, love me 
until. 

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It's because they want all the 
focus to be like on the main 

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couple of the show and people 
can't get in their minds. 

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But it's also trending that 
she's probably pregnant and 

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though, and that news is 
probably going to drop at some 

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point because it's very obvious,
like she's done some of the 

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promo and she's like protecting 
her stomach and she's like in 

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this very oversized blazer. 
So there's a lot of like, it's 

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fairly obvious that every well, 
at least everybody thinks that's

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why they think she announced her
marriage very quickly. 

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It's because they think, you 
know she's pregnant and that 

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news is probably going to 
follow, which probably means 

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she'll be out of the acting game
for a little bit until. 

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Yeah. 
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think the double was a role. 
So she she did after a big break

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like before the double, I think 
she wasn't like getting scripts 

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or wasn't accepting something 
for a while. 

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Like I think it was at least two
to four years if I'm not 

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mistaken. 
Wow. 

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So with that being said, I'm not
going to go into any more detail

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about who's in the cast. 
This is a large cast, just like 

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a many see dramas and 
historicals especially. 

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So I'm going to toss it over to 
Naz to see how she like, this is

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your first exposure to Chinese 
dramas. 

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And even though we kind of 
forced you to finish the show 

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because of the podcast and peer 
pressure, what did you think of 

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it? 
How did you approach it? 

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Did you have any questions? 
Just tell us everything. 

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Yeah, so I've tried to watch C 
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So like I think I watched like 5
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really, I really enjoyed. 
I just I couldn't I got 

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distracted. 
Same thing with hit and love. 

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I think I got to episode 7, I 
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I was like, OK. 
And then I was like OK, the 

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double and 1st episode, 
literally I that was the most 

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thrilling 1st 10 minutes of any 
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And I was like, I need to see 
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And I was just captivated by the
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just the story that they set up.
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invested. 
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lot to get used to because I 
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like characters that are 
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they're introduced. 
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was like, whoa, there's a lot. 
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questions for you as we go 
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is this kind of like the 
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Shia? 
This is just plain up. 

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Historical. 
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OK, this is just plain up. 
Historical. 

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OK, that's good to know. 
OK. 

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So, yeah, it was thrilling. 
Like it was really. 

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I just felt so accomplished when
I finished it. 

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So you like the pacing, you like
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costuming. 
It seems like the production 

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design really thrilled you. 
And of course, the first episode

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hooked you. 
Yes, yes. 

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Absolutely. 
What did you think of this slow 

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ass burn of a romance? 
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burn I think I've ever watched. 
I was like, wow, like, I because

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I don't even think they kissed 
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We yeah. 
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it was a slow burn. 
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rewarding because like when you 
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this, every single tiny 
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biggest thing in the world. 
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Like, oh, their hands brushed. 
Oh, he looked at her a little 

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long. 
Oh, he's doing this for her. 

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like, this is this is a win. 
We're moving in the right 

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direction. 
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but it was still like, it was 
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because there was so much other 
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romance because there were so 
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happening. 
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development in terms of their 
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happening throughout the show 
and that kept you engaged as an 

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audience. 
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wasn't happening like 
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were invested in if the shit was
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every couple of episodes or so. 
So I'm opening it up to the 

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drama trio because it seems like
Naz really liked the show. 

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What did you guys think of it? 
I know what Liliana thinks. 

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But Caitlin, how did you find 
the devil? 

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Oh, I loved it. 
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I mean, revenge shows, I always 
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multiple families and multiple 
characters wanting to get 

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revenge, I think it was 
satisfying for me. 

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I feel like the revenge part was
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planning and the hoops everybody
had to go through, the make sure

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the revenge happened in the way 
that they wanted to and just how

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everybody executed everything 
was very satisfying to watch. 

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So I was very happy with this 
drama, yes. 

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Liliana, in case folks didn't 
listen to your deep dive. 

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So I really loved it and I think
I just need to highlight 

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something that is very different
for me than it is for you guys. 

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I watch this on air like live. 
So that was a whole different 

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experience. 
The fact that this show kind of 

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came out of nowhere because this
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drama in the sense at all. 
Like the budget is fairly low 

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and if we're comparing. 
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Pause here quickly. 
SparkNotes What is an S plus 

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show for Nas? 
And thank you anybody listening 

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to. 
This sorry so and when we say an

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S plus show, it just means that 
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that is making it. 
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big ones, whether it be Yoku 
Aichi or Tencent, they are 

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investing a lot of money like it
is the cream of the crop kind 

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of, you know, dramas where they 
are pumping a lot of money. 

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It'll have top billing artists 
that are all over the place. 

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It'll have magnificent sets. 
It'll have like top notch 

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costumes. 
That's, you know, for something 

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like, for example, lost you 
forever that they built these 

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sets right from the ground up. 
That's an S plus drama. 

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So it's basically the ones where
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them, and this one wasn't like 
this one was not that. 

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So nobody was really expecting 
this to be that. 

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You know that good and wanching 
you. 

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Yes, he's steadily been gaining 
popularity, but he's. 

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He's new, he's fresh. 
He's new, he's fresh. 

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And you know, when he's done 
other shows, like a Midst a 

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Snowstorm of Love, for example, 
which is the show that came out 

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in January of this year, he's 
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next to Wooley. 
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So I think not a people weren't 
expecting a lot. 

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I think they were expecting a 
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was her return to the screen. 
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Yeah. 
And then all of a sudden the 

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first episode airs and you just 
see this flurry of activity on 

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social media and everybody is 
like, what the heck, Just. 

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And then like gradually more and
more people start watching it. 

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And then out of nowhere, Netflix
picks this up. 

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And it's like, what? 
While on air, this is like, not 

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the norm by any means. 
Like Netflix picks up Chinese 

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dramas when they're fully aired 
normally. 

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It's very rare that they pick up
dramas that are currently airing

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for Chinese dramas, so. 
It was so exciting to watch this

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online while, you know, live and
with everybody else because it 

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just, honestly, this was the 
dark horse of the year. 

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Like, nobody expected this to, 
you know? 

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And everybody was like, oh, 
thank God this came out. 

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This saved our year so far. 
And the sentiment is still very 

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much the case. 
Like, a lot of this will be on a

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lot of people's top Chinese 
dramas for 2024. 

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I'm sure of it. 
Yeah, So I hope that kind of 

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clears up how this was a sleeper
hit in terms of Chinese dramas. 

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It was not predicted to be #1 It
had a large, largely untested 

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cast. 
Like, even though the female 

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lead, Wu Jinyang, had been in 
the industry for many years, she

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had, like we just said, been 
taking a prolonged break, 

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whether she wanted that break or
not. 

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So this was a big comeback for 
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Again, kind of an untested male 
lead. 

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The production looks amazing. 
I'd still think it looks 

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amazing. 
But yeah, if you break it down 

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in terms of how many times did 
they use this set, how many 

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times do we see the same room? 
What's so special about this 

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room? 
Is it ornate? 

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Is it large? 
All of these things play into 

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how much money did it cost to 
put this together. 

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It's likely recycled from some 
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It likely didn't cost that much 
to create. 

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And that's what we mean by it's 
not an S plus show. 

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You know, we see them wearing 
very similar outfits throughout.

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It wasn't as ornate as other 
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is a different genre. 
And you can tell, like, when you

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look at it, they put their 
effort behind other things, 

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right? 
Like the cinematography looks 

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amazing. 
The writing on this show was 

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amazing. 
And the acting, even though the 

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actors were not predicted to be 
anything special necessarily. 

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You know, people weren't tuning 
in necessarily for Wang Shing 

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Yue or Wujin Yan. 
They knocked it out of the park.

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Absolutely. 
So I freaking love this show, 

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guys. 
I was so invested. 

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I was angry whenever I had to go
back to work after watching an 

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episode on my lunch break. 
I would be super tired after 

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work and I put on an episode and
then three episodes later I'd be

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like, well, shit, now it's like 
12:30 in the morning and I have 

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to go to bed. 
And I'm like angry that I have 

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to shut this off because like 
shit just got good. 

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Like every few episodes it would
be building to a new, the 

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resolution of a revenge or the 
resolution of something and 

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you'd be like, well, shit. 
Like I don't want to shut this 

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off. 
And that addictive quality of 

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the good, good Asian dramas like
that is this show. 

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And I freaking had a fantastic 
time watching this show. 

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Was a great watch experience and
I'm just only sorry that I 

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couldn't watch it as a binge 
necessarily because I had to 

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like stop watching. 
I had to move my life and I was 

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like weeks not watching it and 
not like upset me greatly when I

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returned to it because then I 
was like, well shit, I could 

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have been watching this shit the
whole time. 

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And that's my only regret is 
that I couldn't just like sit 

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there and binge it as I would 
love to do if I was just a child

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with no responsibilities. 
So yes, I binge this and that 

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should tell you something. 
You bitch. 

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OK so Caitlin never binges shows
she is not a binger. 

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So this is a huge deal. 
I think I finished this in like 

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2 1/2 weeks. 
What the? 

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That is crazy. 
That's crazy. 

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I'm going to circle back to Naz.
What kind of questions did you 

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have for us at all? 
Like what kind of questions were

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they like specifically about the
plot or just about like, does 

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this happen in all sea dramas? 
Yeah, I think, well, one, I was 

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wondering if in all C dramas is 
this how is this how characters 

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are introduced? 
Cuz like a lot of times, like 

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when a new character came into 
the fold, like they would put 

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their name and then like they 
would enter and look, hey now 

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this is a new character entering
the story. 

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Like is, does that happen a lot 
in C dramas? 

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For historicals, yes. 
For Xiangshu, yes. 

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For modern, no. 
I think it's because like when 

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you think about historical 
period dramas, whether that be 

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Wushu, whether that be a 
Xiangshu, any of those, there is

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a lot of characters and I think 
they do it so you can kind of 

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see. 
And also the way Chinese names 

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work is it can be that the 
character itself can mean 

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various things just depending on
like a certain kind of stroke. 

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So they will put it up and like 
for native speakers or, you 

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know, for people who know, who 
know Mandarin, that they will 

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know what character that comes 
from. 

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This is actually actually, 
there's one scene in the double 

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where this is quite obvious 
because they're doing like word 

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play almost. 
And it's a scene where the male 

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leader, the female leader 
talking. 

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And so her real name, I'm going 
to read it because I got this 

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off Twitter tweet because I 
don't know Chinese. 

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I'm learning. 
And basically it's a scene where

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they're going backwards and 
forwards. 

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And the scene just reads, She 
says, I'm a restless spirit from

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the Ching Chong mountain. 
I'm not Jiang Lee. 

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And he says to her, you are just
a little leopard cat. 

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And what they're doing, like to 
us that means nothing. 

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But what they're doing is 
they're playing with like the 

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Lee character and like changing 
it from Jiang Lee into like the 

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Lee character of her original 
name. 

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So it's him telling her that he 
knows who she is. 

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And I think that's why they also
put like that names on screen 

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that comes from that as well, so
that people know like where the 

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characters come from. 
So in historicals that's I think

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that's fairly normal actually 
even in Chiasha that's fairly 

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normal for that to happen. 
It's funny because I never 

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thought about it in my life that
that's weird. 

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Yeah, that they put the 
character. 

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Name on. 
I'm just used to it, like it. 

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Just I'm used to it. 
Like my, it just goes overhead 

445
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,280
for me. 
Like it's just. 

446
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:33,480
Yeah. 
Did you have any other 

447
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,280
questions? 
This is. 

448
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Actually very interesting. 
Yeah, No, that was my main 

449
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,240
question. 
And also you, but you answered 

450
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,840
my other question. 
What as you explain that 

451
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,280
Liliana, cuz like the the sheer 
amount of characters, I was 

452
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,880
like, is this the standard? 
Because I was like there I at a 

453
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,880
certain point I was even talking
to Caitlin about it. 

454
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,560
I was like, I can't, I don't 
know everyone who's on the show,

455
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,440
Like I don't know anyone's name.
Yeah, I'm lost. 

456
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Like she was like, it's OK, but 
I was like, there's too many. 

457
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,560
People in the show. 
Nicknames. 

458
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,280
I told her to use nicknames. 
I was like, I don't know every. 

459
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,920
His name? 
Yeah, I love you this person as 

460
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,800
well. 
Yeah, nicknames, but also pretty

461
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,600
much every historical drama and 
whatnot, they will have like 

462
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,840
character maps where they will 
put all the characters and 

463
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080
they'll like, say their name and
a little explanation of who they

464
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,640
are and how they're linked to 
each other. 

465
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,920
Like that always comes out with 
the dramas. 

466
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,560
So a lot of people use those. 
OK, OK, well they will, K. 

467
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Dramas sometimes do that too, 
but yeah, with historical K 

468
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,400
dramas, they do those as well, 
yeah. 

469
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:41,080
Yeah, any costume drama is going
to have like 50 characters, and 

470
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,520
it's going to be a little more 
prohibitive because it's not 

471
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,800
going to be as easy. 
You're going to have to pay more

472
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,600
attention and you might get a 
little confused, especially 

473
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,600
because it's not the same as if 
we were a native speaker of the 

474
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,960
language and we can just easily 
understand, like who they're 

475
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,560
talking about in conversation 
and they're naming names. 

476
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,560
And one character could have 
three names, right? 

477
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Chief Secretariat and this, and 
then their actual real name and 

478
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,480
then another name. 
Like they could have three each,

479
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,080
one character have three names. 
And we're just struggling to 

480
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,920
keep up. 
But if this was an American 

481
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,440
show, it would be John, the 
president and whatever. 

482
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,200
Like, you would just understand 
what they were saying. 

483
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,400
But everything is obviously in 
their language. 

484
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,360
So you're like, just struggling,
and then you're reading. 

485
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,720
And so it's a little bit more 
difficult. 

486
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920
And that might be why a lot of 
people don't like to watch 

487
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,000
historicals. 
Yeah. 

488
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,560
I also think it has to do with 
the genre too though, because 

489
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,600
this had a lot of politics 
involved. 

490
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400
A lot of politics. 
Along with like revenge and 

491
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,960
historical. 
So like you might have an easier

492
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680
time. 
For example, a mystery 

493
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800
historical might not have a lot 
of politics. 

494
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,320
You might still have a lot of 
characters to deal with, but 

495
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,600
you're not dealing with politics
and families and stuff. 

496
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Or like a modern does not have 
any type of politics usually 

497
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,720
when it comes to C dramas. 
So like, I think it also has to 

498
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
do with like the genre that this
drama was as well. 

499
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,880
Yeah, they're just inherently 
more complex. 

500
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,480
So I applaud you for getting 
into the double at like your 

501
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,840
first complete C Drama is a 
historical and it's one that. 

502
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Yeah, You know, even though it 
was popular, at the end of the 

503
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,440
day it is still pretty difficult
to understand if you're not used

504
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,560
to watching this kind of thing, 
right? 

505
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,560
So good on you. 
I'm fine with you, I did it. 

506
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,600
Yeah, This is why I told her I 
was proud of her. 

507
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040
I was really proud of her 
watching this. 

508
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,040
So where I put an APB out for 
what people wanted us to talk 

509
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,240
about specifically and we can 
hit these as we go through the 

510
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320
episode. 
As I said, no non spoiler 

511
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,000
section. 
We are going to spoil it and 

512
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,000
talk about specifics as much as 
we can. 

513
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,400
We have no notes, but we do have
some questions from the 

514
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720
audience. 
I asked the question on 

515
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,400
Instagram. 
What do you guys want us to talk

516
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,240
about on this episode? 
One person said. 

517
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,720
The final episode. 
Exclamation point. 

518
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,080
Exclamation point. 
So let's get into it. 

519
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,600
The final episode, I thought, 
because everyone was bitching 

520
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,320
about the final episode, and I 
saw this months and months ago 

521
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,920
about how what, what what the 
hell was that final episode? 

522
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920
The vitriol. 
Not vitriol, but just the 

523
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,640
tension online because people 
did not like the final episode. 

524
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080
And I was like, what could they 
have possibly done in this final

525
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,840
episode other than kill 
everybody off? 

526
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,200
And when I finally got to the 
final episode, I was like, that 

527
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,320
was it? 
Yeah, that was it. 

528
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Y'all were messing around like 
crying, screaming, sliding down 

529
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400
the walls for this. 
Final episode. 

530
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,680
Oh OK, so talk to me guys. 
Like did you guys have any? 

531
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,200
I have thoughts, but talk to me.
So I think a lot of people will 

532
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,880
match because it wasn't 
necessary. 

533
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,400
So if we're talking about the 
death of his two servants, that 

534
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,920
does not happen in the novel. 
That it was something they did 

535
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,880
and they changed and it was not 
needed. 

536
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Gotcha. 
That's why people were so mad. 

537
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,600
It's because I got you. 
It wasn't something that was 

538
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000
taken out of the novel and put 
into the drama. 

539
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,840
It was just something they 
decided to do and. 

540
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,000
It was just for shock value. 
Yes, and a lot of people believe

541
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,160
that I talked about this on my 
episode as well, but a lot of 

542
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,920
people believe that one of the 
reasons was, did they? 

543
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,480
Make enemies on set or something
that they like in. 

544
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,000
The yeah, I don't know the the. 
Creators were like, we're gonna 

545
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,600
fuck them all up and just kill 
those two off. 

546
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,600
You know, because. 
It's happened. 

547
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,760
It means. 
It well, it has. 

548
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Dirty. 
But you know that shot of Wang 

549
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,240
Shing Yu in the battlefield with
her covered in blood with like, 

550
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560
her necklace in his mouth? 
Yeah. 

551
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,840
So that shot. 
So sexy and hot, yeah, but keep 

552
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,640
going. 
That shot has been been being 

553
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,160
used since like the beginning. 
That shot has been promoted like

554
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,400
crazy, right? 
And I think they got to the end 

555
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,400
and they were like, crap, We 
need to put this in because 

556
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320
we've been promoting it since 
day one. 

557
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,440
And if we don't give people this
shot, they are. 

558
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Gonna be, you know, I'm 
incredibly much. 

559
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,480
I would have Ryan and if they 
didn't give me that fucking shot

560
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,640
too, because it's so good. 
It is so good. 

561
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,680
Yeah. 
OK. 

562
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,480
Talk to me. 
Is there anything else? 

563
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,560
No, so I I was not mad about it.
Like when I first watched it, I 

564
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,320
was like, it's not necessary. 
And the reason it also, I don't 

565
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,160
give this show any grace in the 
terms that I did a year ago 

566
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,000
because they know they need to 
be 40 episodes or under. 

567
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,800
Like there is no reason for them
to mess up or to even go that. 

568
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,200
But I was like, I'm not that mad
about it. 

569
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,720
Like it is what it is like. 
They should have done it, but 

570
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,440
like if they wanted to kill 
someone off, they were the two 

571
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,800
people that they should have. 
Like if they were set on killing

572
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,640
anybody. 
My thing is, like, why did you 

573
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,960
have to do both of them Exactly.
Like, like, like my thing is 

574
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,040
like, yeah, OK, it makes sense 
that those two would probably be

575
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,320
the people to die. 
But like like why did you have 

576
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,680
to do both? 
Yeah, it was over Can. 

577
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Overkill. 
Pun intended and. 

578
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,920
Her maid and her maid, like, 
yeah. 

579
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,760
She also does not die in the 
novel. 

580
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,160
Like that was a choice. 
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 

581
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:01,600
wait. 
Yeah, so Tongar doesn't die in 

582
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,720
the book. 
You'll get the fuck out of here,

583
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,840
bro, because that's my goodness.
So let's sit here for a minute. 

584
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,199
Let's stay here for a minute. 
I'm trying to get my thoughts 

585
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,760
together because I'm like just 
reeling. 

586
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,880
So I was upset. 
Like I was shocked. 

587
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,000
You should have seen me last 
night when I was seen watching 

588
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,639
the final episode and one guy 
gets skewered, the other guy's 

589
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,440
crying over his body. 
And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't

590
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,280
believe they did this in the 
final 20 minutes. 

591
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,880
And then he gets just filled 
with arrows and I'm like what 

592
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,120
the fuck is going on? 
What is this? 

593
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,719
And even though I was shocked in
the moment, I was like well 

594
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,960
fine, OK, I guess shit fine, 
take, take them, take them then 

595
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,920
like jeez. 
But Tonger. 

596
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,920
Yeah. 
She So this one took me by 

597
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,040
surprise and it shouldn't have 
because at that point in the 

598
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,520
story, those two sit down, the 
female lead and Tonger her maid,

599
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,600
sit down and have a little heart
to heart. 

600
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,080
And she's like, I bought you 
this property and I bought you 

601
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,040
this house. 
And so if you ever want to leave

602
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,680
my, you know, servitude and go 
back to your hometown, like you 

603
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,480
have a way of living. 
You can live off this land. 

604
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,160
And I was like, that's so nice, 
yada, yada. 

605
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,040
And I was like, after she died 
tragically in that stupid ass 

606
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,400
exorcism, I was like, I should 
have, I should have seen it 

607
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,520
because they were made. 
You can't make these beautiful 

608
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,080
plans for the future without 
someone dying. 

609
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,960
Like you can't do. 
That's like a trope, you know? 

610
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:49,440
So I was like, I should have 
seen Tonger dying within that 

611
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,240
same episode. 
Like, she was marked for death 

612
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,440
as soon as she was making plans 
for her. 

613
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,360
Yep. 
Yep. 

614
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,400
And then I saw that scene. 
I was like, she's a goner. 

615
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,360
I was like, I was like, they 
better not. 

616
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,400
Say I was. 
Like they better not touch her. 

617
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,360
I was like, because literally 
after they had that beautiful 

618
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,800
moment, I was like, they better 
not touch this girl. 

619
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,400
And I was like, I knew they 
would because I was like, I 

620
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,040
know, I know where this is 
going. 

621
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,680
They're making plans and I'm 
like, no, they're going to do 

622
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,480
it. 
And I just, I was so devastated.

623
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160
It's literally like if you're 
watching a war movie and they're

624
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
having a sit down and then 
someone goes, what are you going

625
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,880
to do when you get back home? 
Oh, I'm going to open a No, 

626
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,280
forget it. 
You're, you're he's dying. 

627
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,520
He's dying. 
He's dying. 

628
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,680
I'm going to marry a cute girl 
and I'm going to open a what? 

629
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,360
Nope. 
Nope. 

630
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Dying. 
He's dying. 

631
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,080
That's what happened here with 
Tonger. 

632
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,120
And they never foretold it in 
any trophy way with the two 

633
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,960
servants of Duke SU. 
So it really did come out of 

634
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,840
left fields. 
I don't think that they should 

635
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,720
have if it wasn't written in the
book. 

636
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,440
I'm like, why deviate? 
Neither like none of those were 

637
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880
written in the book. 
And This is why people were so 

638
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,200
incredibly mad because like 
everybody was like, Oh my God, 

639
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640
because while we were watching, 
people were like saying, oh, 

640
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,160
we've read the novel. 
It's fine. 

641
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600
You know, unless they deviate 
from it, everybody's going to be

642
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,680
OK. 
And then everybody's like crap, 

643
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,280
Everybody's like, what? 
So she dies and people are like 

644
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,600
what the I almost was going to 
swear, but I was like, what 

645
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,200
they? 
I've been swearing. 

646
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,760
It's fine, it's fine. 
It's like what? 

647
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,920
What? 
I can see why people were upset 

648
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,440
if they didn't think that the 
ending was going to have any 

649
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,200
surprises. 
This is like people watching 

650
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,200
Breaking Dawn Part 2 and not 
realizing that they were going 

651
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,040
to do that whole sequence. 
Yeah, yeah. 

652
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,320
So yeah, yeah. 
But they never turned around and

653
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,760
said like just kidding like they
did in Breaking Dawn. 

654
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,400
So I feel, I feel like I have 
multiple episodes where I 

655
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,320
reference The Twilight Saga now 
and it's looking. 

656
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,560
I just want people to know I 
never watch The Twilight Saga 

657
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,840
and I haven't read those books 
since I was a teenager. 

658
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,960
So don't put me down for like 
any Twilight Saga marathons 

659
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,880
anytime soon, because. 
There's no judgement here. 

660
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,640
It's. 
Just I think I hear the song. 

661
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Ha ha ha. 
Oh my God, yeah. 

662
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,880
On TikTok too much so then it's 
like continuously in my. 

663
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,800
I will have some. 
Constantly, like Twilight. 

664
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,760
If you if we're talking about 
the final episode, oh, I don't 

665
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,720
think did any of you watch this 
on the Yoku app? 

666
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,240
No, I watched. 
It I did not see the special 

667
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,040
episode after. 
Yeah, I was gonna say that 

668
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,520
nobody would have watched a 
special episode. 

669
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,920
There's a spec. 
OK, what is in? 

670
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,200
The special they got, is it a 
backlash with the last episode? 

671
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,360
They had because basically, 
yeah. 

672
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,040
So they had to do a special 
episode. 

673
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,480
So they bring in like literally 
a week before this stops, they 

674
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,680
bring in wanching you and 
Guccienne like from whatever 

675
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,880
they're doing. 
They bring them back in, they 

676
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,920
throw them in costumes again and
they record like a 10 minute 

677
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,760
special where they like do 
various scenes in this one room 

678
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,280
because that was all that was 
left of the set. 

679
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Why? 
Because people were mad that, 

680
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,240
like, he literally just ran up 
the hill. 

681
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,560
Yeah. 
And that was Yeah. 

682
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,000
So. 
They didn't even see them. 

683
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,600
As like a. 
So they come back and basically 

684
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,320
you get to see them with a 
little girl and you get to see 

685
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,520
them married with like this 
little child. 

686
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:35,200
And it's hilarious because first
of all, so in the in the show, 

687
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,840
Wang Shing Yu dubs himself, it's
no problem. 

688
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,400
But Wu Jian, she is dubbed by 
somebody else. 

689
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,760
But but because there's no time,
there's no time she does her own

690
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,080
voice and people are like 2 
plus. 

691
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,800
Two like take it out, take it 
out, wrap it up. 

692
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,640
It's so like it, it's so funny. 
Oh my God, I will have to watch 

693
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,440
it. 
Oh, you. 

694
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,520
Absolutely do you absolutely do.
It's just him like being a dad 

695
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,400
to this like kid and her being a
girl boss basically. 

696
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Like it's it's in him being a 
puppy and just wanting all of 

697
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,920
her attention. 
It's very funny. 

698
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,120
So yeah, there's like a 10 
minute special episode. 

699
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,360
They literally were like 
reshoots. 

700
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,000
But it's fanservice. 
Yeah, basically. 

701
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,920
So if like basically Nas with 
Chinese dramas, this. 

702
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,800
Oh yeah. 
We have to explain this. 

703
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,240
Yes, with with Chinese dramas 
this tends to happen. 

704
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,240
They'll either have special 
content already pre prepared. 

705
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,000
If it's like like we were 
saying, if it's an S plus drama,

706
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,120
they will have content prepared 
that's going to be released 

707
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920
after the show is done. 
And that can be like an 

708
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,880
alternative ending. 
It can be like what happens 

709
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,480
after the show wraps up up what 
happens to the characters. 

710
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,000
It can be anything like that, 
like. 

711
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,480
An epilogue. 
Yeah, an epilogue basically, and

712
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,960
they will do variety shows 
together. 

713
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,040
They will promote the heck out 
of it. 

714
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,680
But basically because this one 
was so out of left field that 

715
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,800
they didn't really do anything 
together. 

716
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,320
They didn't do any of the Prime 
or anything. 

717
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,760
So all of a sudden they're 
bringing them back together for 

718
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,040
this special episode and it's 
like, and normally you have to 

719
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,160
play together. 
Yeah, Yeah, normally you have to

720
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,720
pay to get access to like the 
special episodes and it's like 

721
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,080
it'll be like £0.99 or $0.99 or 
whatever to get access to the 

722
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,040
special stuff. 
But it's normally, sometimes 

723
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,240
it's worth it because sometimes 
you'll get really, really cool 

724
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,840
scenes. 
But I'm still laughing like I 

725
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,480
think this is still better than 
the Love Between Fairy and Devil

726
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,920
special episodes because that 
was horrendous. 

727
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Like that was just, Oh, no, so 
bad. 

728
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,880
If if you guys don't know, they 
did like a special episode for 

729
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,320
Love between Fairy and Devil 
where it was just basically 

730
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,800
themes from the show, but with 
like the female lead and the 

731
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,760
male lead narrating over it with
new dialogue. 

732
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,560
It was Yeah, yeah. 
So, OK, yeah. 

733
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,800
It well, you know, see drama 
land is is. 

734
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,720
A wild side, yeah. 
You just kind of have to go with

735
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,040
it. 
So the look at the end, at the 

736
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,400
end of the day, did it happen? 
Yes. 

737
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,600
Were we shocked? 
Yes. 

738
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,040
Was it devastating? 
Absolutely. 

739
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,920
That they killed off the two 
guys from Duke Zoo, that they 

740
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,920
killed Pumar like earlier in the
show. 

741
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,840
Did it need to happen according 
to the source material? 

742
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,120
Absolutely not. 
I think of the of the deaths, I 

743
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,840
think I was more cut up about 
Pumar earlier in the show. 

744
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,960
There's three deaths, but the 
two sets, right? 

745
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,560
One in like the middle of the 
show and one at the end of the 

746
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,080
show. 
And at the end of the show, I 

747
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,000
think the the one that they 
should have not had at all was 

748
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,840
the ones at the end of the show.
Yeah, those two. 

749
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,960
Guys, I I think I wasn't 
surprised because I like Naz. 

750
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,200
I was like, oh, she's a goner. 
So like, I totally expected it, 

751
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,960
but like, yeah, the two at the 
end, the two at the end. 

752
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Z Cummings. 
I was like, why? 

753
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,920
Yeah. 
And then I really also, I did 

754
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,960
not mind the ending where he was
like running up the hill or not 

755
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,640
running, but like riding up the 
hill or whatever. 

756
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,840
Yeah, same. 
But I will agree it would have 

757
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,560
been nice to, like, have them. 
I don't know, be a couple for 

758
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,080
like 5 minutes or something, but
I understand why they couldn't 

759
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,840
because you had to have 40 
episodes and that was the cutoff

760
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,520
or whatever. 
But see, I I don't think that's 

761
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,480
an excuse anymore. 
At this point. 

762
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,800
They know they've got 40 
episodes, so right, they know 

763
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,200
the rule is there. 
So here's my thought process on 

764
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,400
the final episode. 
And I this is, this is all true.

765
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Like when they had their 
wedding, I was like, Oh my God, 

766
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,240
this is so sweet. 
Oh my God, they're probably 

767
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,640
together, oh yada yada. 
And they looked really happy and

768
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,960
sweet. 
And I paused the show because I 

769
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,920
was like, what's going on? 
This is like happening too early

770
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,720
in the show and we were halfway 
through the final episode and I 

771
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,600
was like shit, this is what 
people were talking. 

772
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,880
I'm like we're about to just 
going to hit the fan. 

773
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Somethings going to happen 
that's going to derail this 

774
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000
happy ending because we're 
halfway through this episode. 

775
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Still got to go. 
Always the ending from then on, 

776
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,480
it is sort of montagey, right? 
Like you kind of go through 

777
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,840
large swaths of time in these 
montages and he goes to war and 

778
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,400
she's alone and he's on the 
battlefield. 

779
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,800
And I was kind of like, this 
doesn't, even though it doesn't 

780
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,640
fit right with the rest of the 
show. 

781
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,840
There is no discernible A to B 
to C plot. 

782
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,160
They are not there's no 
machinations right that they are

783
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,720
exacting on other people. 
It's just a waiting game almost 

784
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,720
for this couple. 
It reminded me of reading an 

785
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:08,440
epic poem like reading the 
translation of Mulan. 

786
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,800
Like I don't know if you guys 
have read the translation of 

787
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,880
Mulan, but it's it's really hard
to describe. 

788
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,360
But this wonderful, grand, 
sweeping story that's full of 

789
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,320
romance, yes, like between two 
people, but just romance in 

790
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,480
terms of like the vibe, the 
feeling, the atmosphere of it. 

791
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,080
And then the long-suffering, the
years of toil and war returning 

792
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,520
from battle being such a huge 
triumph. 

793
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:40,320
And this goal, I thought that 
feeling that I had of reading an

794
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,000
epic poem and them kind of 
invoking this, this feeling for 

795
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,640
me was beautiful. 
And so I was like, all right. 

796
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Bet. 
Minus those two guys getting 

797
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,880
slaughtered on the battlefield, 
I was perfectly fine with that. 

798
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,960
This left turn that they took 
halfway through the episode and 

799
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,920
then taking this approach for 
the finale episode. 

800
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,320
So that's maybe that's a hot 
take, but that's me. 

801
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,040
I see you nodding Naz. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I agree. 

802
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,120
I for me and the finale. 
Okay, so to be completely 

803
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,000
transparent, I spent 80% of this
show being completely lost. 

804
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Okay. 
So I was confused for like a lot

805
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,720
of it. 
So we guess the finale revenge 

806
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,040
has been exacted. 
Everything should be fine and I 

807
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880
was like not understanding if 
you guys can explain this to me.

808
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,640
I don't know what battle he was 
fighting and why he went to war 

809
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,160
in the 1st place. 
I was so confused. 

810
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,240
I was like, how did we get here?
Yeah, sure. 

811
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,960
OK, So what happened was you 
know how the eldest Princess 

812
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,240
Waning was taken, was given as a
hostage to the Kingdom of Dai 

813
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,080
Dai. 
Yes. 

814
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,040
So Dai looks like some sort of 
nomadic tribal society that is 

815
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,880
wildly different from their 
country and their border 

816
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,920
country. 
So they're constantly at odds at

817
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,400
war. 
And when she returned, when she 

818
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,040
was delivered back, whatever 
fragile peace they had between 

819
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,480
great yawn, which is their 
country, and die, fell apart. 

820
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,280
So then the brother, which was 
the treasonous brother who was 

821
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,760
at the border, fighting at the 
border, he's the one that's 

822
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,760
basically keeping that shit the 
Kingdom of die at Bay because 

823
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,560
he's fighting all of these 
skirmishes and, and keep Border 

824
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Patrol, right? 
He's maintaining the border. 

825
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,560
So when the coup happened at the
end and the brother came back to

826
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,520
the capital with all of his 
troops and they fended off his 

827
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,200
coup and killed the brother, all
of the troops that were loyal to

828
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,240
the brother, they had to 
basically clean house, clean up 

829
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,040
the military and make sure that 
all of that was set straight. 

830
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,240
Meanwhile, they still have to 
protect the border because now 

831
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,440
that's what that's what Duke 
Stewe was saying he was like. 

832
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:05,120
Now that we have taken heavy 
losses and this brother, this 

833
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,360
treasonous brother is no longer 
defending the border, this 

834
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,320
country of die is going to 
immediately take advantage of 

835
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,160
our weakness and try and invade 
and try and cause shit at the 

836
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,320
border is what he This is 
happening so fast. 

837
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,920
Like he says this in like a 
sentence. 

838
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,840
OK, because I because it just 
came together really fast and I 

839
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,240
was like. 
Hold on. 

840
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:29,440
So that's why he says I am going
to go take over the the what was

841
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,640
it the long woo Army like my 
because his family is a military

842
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,800
family. 
Right, right. 

843
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,720
So he's like, I'm going to do 
what my father and my 

844
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,520
grandfather did, and I'm going 
to protect the border and 

845
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,320
basically go to war because this
is not going to end in like a 

846
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,360
month. 
So that's why it takes years, 

847
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,760
right, for him to fix up all the
shit that's happening at the 

848
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,160
border, which is very 
believable, right? 

849
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:02,000
According to history, the border
like that border crisis likely 

850
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,120
took a really long time for him 
to set straight. 

851
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,680
So does that clear it up for 
you? 

852
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,360
Like why the Kingdom of Die was 
so? 

853
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,800
And you can see in the 
flashbacks with the eldest 

854
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,000
Princess it must be manga if 
they're keep saying it's north. 

855
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:20,920
So to me, it's got to be like 
Russia, Mongolia, like that 

856
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,880
area. 
Right, right. 

857
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,480
OK. 
Northern. 

858
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,440
China. 
Yeah, yeah, OK, that makes sense

859
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,600
because I was like how? 
Why is he in war? 

860
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,840
OK, yes, so I really appreciate 
you explaining that. 

861
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,800
Yeah. 
But yeah. 

862
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,840
So you know, him going off to 
war and kind of like the same 

863
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,360
thing with that. 
You said just like halfway 

864
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,480
through the episode, I was like,
hold on. 

865
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,440
Like they're married. 
Like there's still so much time 

866
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,880
left, like what's going to 
happen? 

867
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,160
So yeah, the with the war and 
everything. 

868
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,960
And the two, I called them the 
two besties the whole time. 

869
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:55,640
So when they died, I was 
devastated because I just to 

870
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,680
hear that they didn't die in the
novels, really disappointing 

871
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,720
because they were just there and
so loyalty and and for them to 

872
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,160
like pass away the way that they
did and have to be both of them.

873
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,360
And I was like, I don't know why
we needed this. 

874
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,120
It was terrible, I guess. 
They were like, let's go. 

875
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,400
Very believable. 
What are the chances that all 

876
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:22,160
three of them make it through 
this like years long campaign? 

877
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Yeah, at the border, Yeah. 
But again. 

878
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,320
Unfortunate, so unfortunate, but
I you know, but the seeing him 

879
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,600
kind of like you know him like 
him writing like you. 

880
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Know. 
No, no, that's the thing. 

881
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Yeah, like. 
Is the. 

882
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,880
Cinematography, yes, yes, and 
yes. 

883
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,040
And that's what like really 
captured me because we see him 

884
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,520
just like riding across the 
hill, like as audience. 

885
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,240
I'm like he's riding back to his
wife. 

886
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,800
And it's like Darcy coming 
across the field, yes, at 

887
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,600
sunrise. 
Like, are you fucking kidding? 

888
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:58,160
Like him astride this horse? 
Yes, and it was low motion and 

889
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,280
then her red billowing. 
Yes. 

890
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Robes and like, are you kidding?
So yeah, hats off to the 

891
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,680
cinematography. 
Slow motion was popping off. 

892
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,880
The win machine was a character 
in and of itself. 

893
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,320
The colors were so vibrant. 
Yeah, I also thought so. 

894
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,480
That finale shot, it was 10 out 
of 10. 

895
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Yeah, it was beautiful. 
And just to see like I, I wasn't

896
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,600
even mad that like, you know, it
ended with them not necessarily 

897
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,000
being physically together 
because I knew that he was on 

898
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,880
his way back to her and they 
were going to be fine. 

899
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,640
It just kind of gets his 
attention. 

900
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,440
Exactly. 
So like the fact it just ends 

901
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,320
with her, like with her face to 
like, you know, I hope, I'm 

902
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,880
hoping that that is when he 
actually arrived. 

903
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,280
But like, it was just so epic to
me. 

904
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,560
And I'm like, OK, like it didn't
feel incomplete to me. 

905
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,240
It just felt very epic and 
dramatic and I liked it. 

906
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,840
I think, I think also The thing 
is, a lot of people, when we 

907
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,520
were watching it live on air, 
when that scene finally aired, a

908
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,560
lot of people were like, this 
can be classified almost as like

909
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,720
an open ending because is he 
really there? 

910
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,640
Is she imagining that he's 
there? 

911
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,120
Like you don't know. 
You don't know because they 

912
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,160
chose to go with them not 
physically touching each other. 

913
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,360
You can almost go along the 
pathway of thinking she's just 

914
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,720
been waiting on that damn hill 
so long that she might be just 

915
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:25,680
imagining him coming back to her
and. 

916
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,720
And they did have that scene of 
her. 

917
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,640
What was she doing? 
She was brushing her hair and 

918
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,400
imagining that he was there and 
brushing her hair for her. 

919
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,440
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

920
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,480
And then it was all he died. 
Exactly, which is what a lot of 

921
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,360
people are so full like this is 
what you know, it's. 

922
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,800
Interesting, because, like, one 
of my followers DM me and 

923
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,800
because I put up a story saying 
like, I finished the double. 

924
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Like if you watch it, let me 
know. 

925
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,320
And she was like, yeah, I just 
hate that he died at the end. 

926
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,480
And I was just like, I don't 
think he died at the end. 

927
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,480
I was like, I was just like, I 
was like, is that what people 

928
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,320
think? 
I was like, did he die? 

929
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,880
I have to answer, maybe question
everything. 

930
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,240
It's like. 
I mean, it's a valid theory. 

931
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:07,400
I personally don't think he died
even without knowing that they 

932
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,080
did. 
Obviously this special episode 

933
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,080
where they, like, drag these 
people out from whatever project

934
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,840
they were doing, slapped a wig 
on them. 

935
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,880
And they said, do your own dub 
and like, I'll get this kid in 

936
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,720
here with you guys. 
Play with your your child for an

937
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,440
hour so we can get 10 minutes of
footage. 

938
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,520
Yeah, I knew that thing. 
He was alive and they were going

939
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,400
to have a happy ending. 
So that's just me personally. 

940
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,800
I think also see dramas this 
year especially have been 

941
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,720
leaning so much into open 
endings and people are just over

942
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,280
it. 
So people are just like, just 

943
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,240
just give me, just give me. 
They're dead, they're alive, 

944
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:49,280
they're together. 
I just want to know. 

945
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,120
So I think that's also why 
people were mad at it because 

946
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,520
like. 
I just think people are going to

947
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,120
be mad no matter what. 
Oh yeah. 

948
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,920
Feel like you cannot please 
everybody. 

949
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,280
Somebody's going to bitch about 
something and whether they were 

950
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,360
together, if they ended up 
together and it was a classic 

951
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,760
happy ending, they would have 
been like, oh, we didn't see the

952
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,760
child. 
We didn't see enough of the 

953
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,880
wedding. 
We didn't see this what happened

954
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,640
to her, her brother and her dad 
that we didn't know about that 

955
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,760
what happened to her cousin. 
Like it would have been some 

956
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,680
other thing that people would 
have bitched about that we 

957
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,840
didn't see. 
And I'm of the opinion that 

958
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,200
like, you're damned if you do, 
you're damned if you don't. 

959
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,520
And if the trend, the trend now 
is open endings, whatever, at 

960
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,480
least you got a 10 out of 10 
drama. 

961
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,280
Like, you know what I'm saying? 
Like you're going to nitpick 

962
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,720
about everything about the 
ending. 

963
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,560
Because I think in the West we 
have this in our culture that if

964
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,600
you have a perfect piece of 
media like movie, show, 

965
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,440
whatever, and you ruin the 
ending, the the whole thing is 

966
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,360
tainted. 
Yeah. 

967
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,040
The entire piece of media is 
tainted, and I just think that 

968
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,760
I've divorced myself from that 
feeling over time that if the 

969
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,280
ending is a little squishy, I 
can, like, still jive with it, 

970
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,120
you know? 
There's still some merit in what

971
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,600
I just watched. 
So you know, it's not a waste of

972
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,600
my time just because the ending 
is a little open. 

973
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,360
Just to clarify, I didn't mind 
the ending, I'm just throwing 

974
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,480
out there like what was being 
talked about. 

975
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:30,840
I'm just saying look as we're 4 
chronically online people and we

976
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,680
see a lot of shit. 
So I'm really just like talking 

977
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,240
about these people, like these 
people that like you cannot 

978
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:42,400
believe them for anything. 
Like to me the ending was fine, 

979
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,960
like I didn't mind it at all. 
I. 

980
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,560
Love how you're like please 
don't equate me. 

981
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,160
Don't let me in the same. 
Basket. 

982
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,240
Don't put me in it. 
Because like I've seen, I've 

983
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:59,280
seen a lot of good shows that 
have bad endings and I still say

984
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,680
to people watch them like, you 
know, to be a bad ending or a 

985
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,360
sad ending or whatever it may 
be, open ending. 

986
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,800
I think people. 
Think bad equals sad. 

987
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:15,280
No, I mean bad as in it's just a
terrible writing, whatever it 

988
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,600
may be, right? 
A sad ending is different. 

989
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,720
Like a sad ending, it's just 
tragic. 

990
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,760
That's that's. 
Different to me, like sad equals

991
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,440
sad, not sad equals bad, yeah. 
Well, I think for that, I think 

992
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,080
that's a different definition 
though. 

993
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,480
A lot of people don't want sad 
endings. 

994
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,000
They want the happy we're a 
family. 

995
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,680
So like, if you're not, if you 
don't get that at the ending, 

996
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,520
it's ultimate like it's 
automatically a bad ending. 

997
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,960
So I think that's what is 
equated to this is the fact that

998
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,960
they did not get the he's back 
from war. 

999
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,440
We're a happy family five years 
down the road ending. 

1000
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,560
It's automatically a bad ending.
And I think, I mean, I think 

1001
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,520
that's what a lot of people are 
mad about with these open 

1002
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,840
endings that are very and I 
mean, they could be doing open 

1003
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,960
endings and see dramas for 
various reasons. 

1004
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,040
One of them I know is if they 
ever want to do a season 2 and 

1005
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:16,440
allows them to do a season 2 or 
they don't want to do a close 

1006
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,480
the book ending because it might
be bad and then it would taint 

1007
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,360
the entire drama as we were 
talking about. 

1008
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,160
So they that's two reasons I've 
seen on the Internet. 

1009
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,920
So I think that's one of the 
reasons why people are mad at 

1010
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,320
this ending is because they did 
not get the happy family 

1011
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,440
together ending in the drama. 
The. 

1012
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,320
Contact. 
So that's just, yeah, that's 

1013
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,760
just what that's automatically a
bad ending to a lot of people. 

1014
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:48,160
See, I don't mind not having the
family happy picture together, 

1015
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,560
but if you give me a historical 
and you skimp out on the wedding

1016
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,840
scene, I'm automatically going 
to be mad at you. 

1017
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,920
Not necessarily because I need 
them to be wedded. 

1018
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,520
I need to see these beautiful 
costumes like I need to. 

1019
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,840
It's the costume. 
It's the costumes. 

1020
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,200
Like there were like Chinese 
historical wedding costumes, 

1021
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,520
nothing like it thing of another
world. 

1022
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,760
And if you skimp out on those, 
I've got beef with you like 

1023
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,080
automatically. 
But that's just like a very. 

1024
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,480
Specific reason. 
Yeah, yeah, that's just like a 

1025
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,880
very. 
I'm not like, I'll still say 

1026
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,360
that I love the show, but I'll 
still say, look, you should have

1027
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,800
put thrown in a really good 
wedding scene in this. 

1028
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Yeah, like don't deprive. 
I'll go one step further on my 

1029
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,480
opinion of this ending in this 
final episode and say the 

1030
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,680
episode truly ended halfway 
through. 

1031
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,760
Like when they got married, that
was the end of the episode and 

1032
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,160
everything that happened after 
is the epilogue and that's why 

1033
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,800
they didn't put together a extra
episode or whatever because they

1034
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,200
were like, it's there. 
Wow, that's a good point. 

1035
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,560
It's all in there. 
It doesn't feel like the rest of

1036
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,160
the show. 
I think it's because the episode

1037
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,760
the show ends halfway through 
the finale episode and the rest 

1038
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,200
is epilogue, and that's why it's
like so montage Y and sort of 

1039
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,520
dreamy and feels like different,
you know, so I I don't know. 

1040
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,920
So anyway, those are our 
thoughts on the finale, and you 

1041
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,120
got us on a little soapbox as 
well. 

1042
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,200
So I had AI had a question. 
I know we're going off of what 

1043
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,560
people gave, but. 
I oh, yeah. 

1044
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:26,920
No. 
There's three more questions, 

1045
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,080
but we can pause here. 
What you got? 

1046
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,200
What do you have for us? 
Well, do we want to go through 

1047
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,560
the three questions 1st and then
I'll ask my question or? 

1048
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,440
Oh, does your question have to 
do with these like? 

1049
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,400
No, no, none, none of the. 
Oh, then ask your question. 

1050
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,760
OK, so I want to talk about the 
bad guys. 

1051
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,720
I want to talk about like the 
people that they were getting 

1052
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,920
revenge on. 
I have two questions. 

1053
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:56,280
One is who was like your most 
hated bad person 'cause there 

1054
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,600
was multiple people technically.
Three questions. 

1055
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,720
Who was your most hated? 
Who was like your guilty 

1056
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,400
pleasure watch like most hated 
person? 

1057
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,360
And then who did you think had 
the most satisfying like revenge

1058
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,440
ending? 
Because I I'll I can answer 

1059
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,000
those first if you want. 
Why don't you go 1st and then 

1060
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,960
we'll have as and then I'll go 
and. 

1061
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,000
So my OK, so my favorite, even 
though they were really annoying

1062
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:31,800
to watch, but also it was kind 
of I like the fiance because he 

1063
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,040
technically like in terms of 
like he was a horrible character

1064
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,120
in terms of like he's a really 
bad dude. 

1065
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,440
You want to see his satisfying 
revenge, but the fact is this 

1066
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,160
entire show was her getting 
revenge at him because like he 

1067
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,360
thought he killed her. 
So he was going mad on seeing 

1068
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,320
her walking down the street and 
like, Oh my God, it's freaking 

1069
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,640
me out. 
And then he like killed her to 

1070
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,280
be with the eldest Princess. 
But then he started hating that 

1071
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,800
life, which I found great Glee 
in because like, no, this is 

1072
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,360
what you deserve. 
And then just like seeing him 

1073
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,160
kind of like eating himself from
the inside out in terms of just 

1074
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:22,520
like the guilt and having to 
live with what he asked for and 

1075
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,120
then realizing that's not what 
he actually wanted. 

1076
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,600
And then obviously, like, he 
gets more crazy and more crazy 

1077
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,360
as the show goes on because like
that whole scene with him at the

1078
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,920
top of the tower on trying to 
kill everybody with the 

1079
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,200
soldiers, I was like, dude, you 
just need to die. 

1080
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,880
Yeah, there was like a. 
Descendant to madness in the 

1081
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,680
yeah, descend to the madness 
thing. 

1082
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,840
But I loved every second of it 
because like he just was like, I

1083
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,600
don't know, he was a really 
juicy bad character to hate, but

1084
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,200
you enjoyed every second of like
seeing the revenge that went 

1085
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,440
with it. 
He was very interesting, yeah, 

1086
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,600
very interesting. 
Because had nothing happened, 

1087
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,280
had one thing Princess Waning 
never taken a liking to him, 

1088
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,800
they would still be married. 
Like she would have never known 

1089
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,640
that he was capable of killing 
her, right? 

1090
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,520
I have a very different opinion 
of him and his character in 

1091
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,160
general. 
Why? 

1092
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,160
Don't you share. 
Let's just talk about him for a 

1093
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,440
second, yeah? 
So I think for me, I'm trying to

1094
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,080
remember exactly what I said 
initially, but I think he's 

1095
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:39,320
poorly written in some parts 
simply because he's seen, yes, 

1096
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,360
you can see his descent into 
madness, but then all of a 

1097
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,600
sudden you get towards the end 
and he's a mastermind, like 

1098
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:54,520
outwitting our best characters. 
So to me, he's poorly written 

1099
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,440
because you needed to build on 
that from the start. 

1100
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,160
You needed to see him play the 
game from the start, and he 

1101
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,840
never did. 
So that's why to me he becomes a

1102
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,080
weak bad guy. 
So, so that was like originally 

1103
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,160
what I thought about him in 
general. 

1104
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,680
I totally see what you're saying
because they never had him as 

1105
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,600
anything but a glorified 
librarian in the rest of the 

1106
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,880
show. 
But I see Nas laughing. 

1107
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,120
That's what he was. 
He was just like a scholar. 

1108
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,880
He was over the school 
headmaster, basically over this 

1109
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:36,760
government school, and he didn't
really participate that heavily 

1110
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,200
in politics even though he was 
an appointed member. 

1111
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,760
He didn't play the game. 
He was a victim of the game for 

1112
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,240
basically the whole of the show,
and then come to find out in the

1113
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:56,000
final like 5 episodes or so, 
he's a brilliant tactician and 

1114
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:03,240
is able to just insert himself 
into his grand plans for the 

1115
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,640
coup. 
And even though it's not beyond 

1116
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,400
the realm of impossibility, I 
understand. 

1117
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,320
Like, I understand what you're 
saying, Liliana, that there was 

1118
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,800
no indication that he was so 
brilliant. 

1119
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,240
You know, he was like just this 
scholar. 

1120
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:25,440
But like, even even if you say 
earlier on, like he never moves 

1121
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,480
and when he does, it's always 
like somebody else's plan, which

1122
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:34,240
could be a plan in of itself. 
But when you're giving me, you 

1123
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:39,680
get to the end and you want to 
give me, you know, the biggest 

1124
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,680
body of them all in terms of 
who's the big mastermind behind 

1125
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:44,920
it. 
And then you go and find out 

1126
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,200
that it's Shen you wrong. 
And I'm like, well, I feel a 

1127
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,440
little bit disappointed with 
that because it just doesn't 

1128
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,920
feel cohesive to me, to his 
character, if that makes. 

1129
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,200
Sense Well, when did he? 
So when you're saying it's the 

1130
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,400
mastermind behind it all, I 
thought it was just the 

1131
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,160
mastermind behind. 
Now is the time to strike. 

1132
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,280
Enter the city under these 
pretexes. 

1133
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,120
Here's the script for the 
memorial that you have to send 

1134
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:14,200
to the king in order to allow me
to validly enter the city with 

1135
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,400
my army. 
Like that was what I considered 

1136
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:22,880
his plan and him doing the whole
waning has to die in order for 

1137
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,840
us a valid reason to start the 
coup. 

1138
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:32,480
So like that whole bit of the 
plan was me thinking it was Shen

1139
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,160
Shenyu, but anything before that
I never considered. 

1140
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:38,280
Him. 
Oh no. 

1141
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,920
And that and that's what I mean.
Well, that's what she's saying 

1142
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,120
is bad writing. 
Yeah, that's what she's saying 

1143
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,760
is bad writing is like up until 
the coup, he wasn't making those

1144
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,600
smart moves and then all of a 
sudden that the coup he was the 

1145
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,440
one behind. 
And so that's what I thought you

1146
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,240
were meaning, but then it hit me
that maybe you thought that he 

1147
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,600
was responsible for even more. 
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 

1148
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,960
But that's what I mean that 
that's like bad writing in that 

1149
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,520
essence. 
Because if the if you follow 

1150
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,800
like so in the show, as the show
gets on, he progressively gets 

1151
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,560
like crazier and crazier and 
descends into this madness. 

1152
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,320
And I'm like, are you really 
telling me that in the pit of 

1153
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,720
this madness is when like a 
light bulb goes off in his brain

1154
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,560
that he has to? 
Play. 

1155
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,800
I believe it. 
I do believe it. 

1156
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,280
I do believe that like there was
a clarity that came with his 

1157
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,760
being finally embracing the dark
side, basically like he just 

1158
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:39,240
fully became a Sith Lord and 
just turned up. 

1159
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,880
That's why I was like, yes, they
didn't portend any of this in 

1160
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:48,720
the show that he was able to 
create this evil plan and just 

1161
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,920
do it on us at the drop of a 
hat. 

1162
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,840
But I truly think as soon as he 
realized that it wasn't so much 

1163
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:01,840
that he couldn't get her back, 
it was that Duke Sue already won

1164
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,360
her heart, that ignited a fire 
under his ass. 

1165
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,600
And he went that shit crazy. 
And that's when he was like, Oh 

1166
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,560
no, I have to do something right
now because I'm insanely 

1167
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:15,800
jealous. 
I have to. 

1168
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,520
She cannot be with him. 
And so he was jealousy. 

1169
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,640
I think it was a thing between 
jealousy but also arrogance. 

1170
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,080
Yeah, Like that whole the whole 
coup thing. 

1171
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,920
Like I do agree with Liliana on 
the fact that that writing 

1172
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,720
switch was really off putting 
and that whatever, but I think I

1173
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,640
went along with it because 1. 
He was extremely arrogant 

1174
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,720
through that entire thing and 
that kind of. 

1175
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,280
And I believe that that kind of 
like. 

1176
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,920
LED into the the delusion that 
he was having like he was 

1177
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,360
already descending in the 
madness and then him I think I 

1178
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,200
just saw it as him more 
descending in the madness and 

1179
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,600
then not being able to see them 
together. 

1180
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,320
So I could I could agree with 
like both sides cuz I don't 

1181
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,280
know. 
I just found it really fun to 

1182
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,800
watch him like kind of like, 
that's what. 

1183
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,840
He was unraveling, but like in 
an organized way because they 

1184
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,399
were able to get really close to
seizing the throne there. 

1185
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,080
Nas, what did you think? 
Oh, yeah. 

1186
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,040
I mean, he was my number one 
villain. 

1187
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,359
I mean, I don't, I don't know 
how you can have this, this 

1188
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,359
woman that you love and you hit 
her in the head with a shovel 

1189
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,560
and bury her. 
I'm just like, there's no coming

1190
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,720
back from that. 
You're done. 

1191
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,760
Like I was really. 
But he really tried. 

1192
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,960
He really tried. 
And I was like, I this is awful.

1193
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,920
Like, I just could not believe 
that someone, like could be that

1194
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,520
weak minded to be manipulated to
do something so horrible to 

1195
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,160
someone that they apparently 
love. 

1196
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,680
And I'm just like, how could you
do this to somebody? 

1197
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,520
Let you like literally shared a 
life with I. 

1198
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,800
He is Public Enemy number one to
me. 

1199
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,200
And he's every time his face was
on the screen, I was like, get 

1200
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,800
him off my screen. 
Like could not stand him. 

1201
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,200
And I just love seeing him 
squirm throughout the show. 

1202
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,240
But every time he saw her, he's 
just like haunted by her face 

1203
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:13,800
because he's like, I killed her.
I killed her. 

1204
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:14,840
It's not her. 
It's not her. 

1205
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,439
I feel like in his heart of 
heart, he had to know, like, 

1206
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,800
because yeah, so can stand him. 
He was the worst person the 

1207
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,680
show. 
I just, I'll just never forget 

1208
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,120
that that scene of him like 
trying to kill her, like I just,

1209
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,240
he's terrible. 
He's like, really like, he just,

1210
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,720
he was a coward and he. 
Were such a coward. 

1211
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,800
He reminded me of that character
from my dearest. 

1212
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:36,880
Oh my God. 
Her, her husband. 

1213
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:41,120
The the her husband. 
Not her husband, but like her 

1214
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,080
besties, has Ashley. 
Oh yeah, that guy. 

1215
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,279
Oh my gosh, yeah. 
He was such a coward. 

1216
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:51,800
Literally he reminded me of that
Ashley character from my dearest

1217
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,800
that K drama. 
This very morally upright, 

1218
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:02,720
dutiful at all points, loving, 
but when the going gets tough 

1219
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:08,640
and he feels he's up against a 
wall, he chose filial piety. 

1220
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,040
Yeah. 
He chose to save his mother and 

1221
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,600
his sister and he threw home 
girl into the bus. 

1222
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,480
Literally, literally, Not 
literally, there's no bus, but 

1223
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,160
right. 
Like he pounded her upside the 

1224
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:25,720
head with a shovel, buried her. 
He thought she was dead, but she

1225
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,320
was alive. 
So he buried her alive and 

1226
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,000
completely destroyed her 
reputation at that. 

1227
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,880
So there was like, it's a 
double. 

1228
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,480
The deception as well was also 
part of why she felt so 

1229
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:43,720
betrayed, because he not only 
tried to kill her, but the 

1230
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,040
pretext for killing her was 
because she was unfaithful. 

1231
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,880
Yes, framing her for an affair 
and I'm just like how terrible 

1232
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,040
can you be? 
I just saw I found him just such

1233
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:57,680
a weak minded just. 
Yeah, so he's weak minded and 

1234
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,800
he's a coward, Yes. 
Such a coward. 

1235
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,320
So this weak minded coward goes 
through the rest of the show 

1236
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,840
trying to escape his guilt. 
And she says this at multiple 

1237
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,680
points, like you're blaming 
everyone else but yourself. 

1238
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Yeah, yeah, literally blaming 
everyone else but yourself. 

1239
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,680
You're not taking any 
accountability for your hand in 

1240
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:23,240
this because you could have 
chosen to tell me about, at the 

1241
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:27,400
very least tell me that you were
being threatened. 

1242
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,240
Yeah. 
I could have left. 

1243
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,640
I could have just washed my 
hands on this whole thing and 

1244
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,360
gone back to my hometown. 
Nobody would. 

1245
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,400
Have like how? 
Like there's so many different 

1246
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,520
options that he could have 
taken. 

1247
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,760
Like what it Right. 
Yeah. 

1248
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,040
Right. 
Or tell the king, tell somebody 

1249
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,600
else versus like, just go with 
what was happening. 

1250
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,600
He could have run away. 
Like there are just like 

1251
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,960
literally things to do. 
Instead he just went with it and

1252
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,960
was like, I'm so sorry, I'm so 
sorry. 

1253
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:02,720
Save it for the judge. 
Like no, so that's why he was so

1254
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,520
frustrating is because he 
thought he was a good guy. 

1255
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,200
On paper, he's the nice guy. 
Oh my gosh, he really is like 

1256
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,440
that character from My dearest. 
I didn't even realize the 

1257
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,720
parallels until you said it, but
yeah, he really thinks he's a 

1258
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,880
good guy. 
Yeah, and by society's standards

1259
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,560
and everyone else saying like, 
oh, he's so great, he's so 

1260
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,360
wonderful, He's so well 
mannered. 

1261
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:23,640
He saw this. 
He saw that. 

1262
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,640
And no, he'll kill you and leave
you for dead in the mountains. 

1263
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:29,720
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1264
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,680
So another strike for a nice 
guys. 

1265
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:41,160
So my answer Give me, you know, 
a morally Gray man, maybe around

1266
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,320
22 years of age, clad all in the
red A. 

1267
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:55,320
Morally Gray. 22 year old man, 
my answer for this question is a

1268
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,520
swerve because my favorite 
villain was actually Princess 

1269
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,680
Waning. 
Me too. 

1270
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,800
I thought she oh me and Liliana.
Yes. 

1271
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,800
I think she's, I think she's the
better written villain and 

1272
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:07,520
she's. 
Like. 

1273
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,960
So well, like rounded and 
faceted. 

1274
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,440
There's so many sides to her 
character. 

1275
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:15,240
So many. 
She's like a diamond like you 

1276
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,360
keep. 
Telling me you're like, well, 

1277
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,160
yeah, I didn't. 
See that part? 

1278
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,800
Yeah. 
And she's an understandable 

1279
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:26,160
villain like you can get. 
It's like I adore villains that 

1280
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,440
that make me almost on the edge 
of. 

1281
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,720
I know what you're doing is bad,
but I feel sorry for you. 

1282
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,360
And she's exactly. 
You're like one, you're like 1%.

1283
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,760
Maybe 10%, yeah. 
She's like, are you a villain or

1284
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:47,080
are you just a product of your 
like what's the word I'm looking

1285
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,600
for a product of? 
Yeah, of your circumstances. 

1286
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,240
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1287
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,800
She stole the show. 
She stole it. 

1288
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,680
She was chewing up scenery. 
She actress as well. 

1289
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,560
This actress is going to She's a
star. 

1290
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,000
This is Lee Lee Mung. 
Yeah, Lee Mung. 

1291
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,200
Lee Mung is her name. 
She is a star, that actress. 

1292
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,920
They need to watch out for her. 
We should see her in many more 

1293
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,720
things because this role was so 
meaty, so juicy. 

1294
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,920
The way she was fucking 
twirling, the way she was 

1295
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,360
twirling in her fine silks and 
sashing away after doing the 

1296
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:30,400
most sadistic thing. 
I mean really good, really good.

1297
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,040
So entertaining. 
Was so good, especially like 

1298
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,200
right after, I think it was like
right after Yu Rong killed 

1299
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,960
Kwanko. 
Killed, killed. 

1300
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,320
What's her original name? 
Is it Fang Fei? 

1301
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,760
Yeah. 
Yeah, yes, yes. 

1302
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,560
Killed her. 
And then he's like back in the 

1303
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,240
room and he's like upset, 
obviously. 

1304
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,400
And she's just like tackling and
twirling. 

1305
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,800
But like, they put it in slow 
motion and it was just like the 

1306
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,080
intensity. 
But yeah, she she's fabulous. 

1307
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,680
But can yes, she was insane. 
A little commotion for the 

1308
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,800
dress. 
Yes, yeah, everything she was 

1309
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,160
wearing. 
Yeah, her outfits were 

1310
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,520
everything she never missed. 
Never. 

1311
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:10,720
Missed, but even even the way 
she dies, it's like I I adore 

1312
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,520
the fact that she has never been
able to live on her own terms. 

1313
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:20,240
She was scooted off, she was 
made a slave, but she died on 

1314
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,240
her own terms. 
And I kind of like that because 

1315
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,240
she's like, you're not going to 
like if you're going to do it, 

1316
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,200
you're going to do it. 
And she shoves that blade into 

1317
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,560
into herself by his hand. 
And it's just like that death 

1318
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,840
scene. 
It's like it's so good. 

1319
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,320
It's just so good. 
It's good writing and it's good 

1320
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,920
acting. 
And I think that might be why I 

1321
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:50,720
don't go whereas like Shenu 
wrong has the more obvious 

1322
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:55,480
scenes for you to hate him. 
He has written for you to hate 

1323
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:59,280
him. 
Waning is not like you know, 

1324
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,720
what she's doing is wrong, but 
she has layers and there's more 

1325
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,320
to her story. 
Whereas Shane, you're wrong. 

1326
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,960
I don't know if it was also just
the actor himself that didn't 

1327
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,880
quite reach where he needed to 
for me personally. 

1328
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,320
Towards the end, I was like, oh,
he's given a little something 

1329
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:18,880
here. 
Yeah, because he was. 

1330
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,840
He would like smile and smirk 
and look a little demented. 

1331
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,960
And I'm like, yeah, that's what.
I need to see right there. 

1332
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,560
I will say I kind of did not 
like, and I think I said this on

1333
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,920
a social media maybe I did not 
like the deaths of both of them.

1334
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:40,240
So I understood his death 
because it was the coward way to

1335
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,680
do it. 
And I was really. 

1336
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,520
You saw it coming from a mile 
away. 

1337
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,080
Oh, yeah, yeah. 
I in retrospect, as I thought 

1338
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,520
about it, I didn't mind her 
death as much as I did when it 

1339
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,600
first happened. 
I really wanted her to go crazy 

1340
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,480
and kill him and like kind of 
kill herself afterwards. 

1341
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,840
Do the whole she was obsessed 
with him the entire show. 

1342
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,280
Why not take him with you? 
Because that would take him out 

1343
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,440
of the picture and that would 
destroy him because he wanted to

1344
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:16,960
be the winner of everything. 
So they have her her still kind 

1345
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,080
of come out on top by killing 
him and taking him with her. 

1346
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,040
So like when they when she 
stabbed herself, I thought she 

1347
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,840
actually had stabbed him and I 
was like brilliant. 

1348
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,680
So I actually, I mean, I didn't 
mind her death because I 

1349
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,200
understood it, but like at in 
the time I was watching it, I 

1350
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,920
was, I really wanted her to kill
him because it was like kind of 

1351
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,360
like a obsession thing that 
didn't play out in the end. 

1352
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,240
I can agree with that. 
But even I was just gonna say 

1353
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,000
even like her parting words 
where she says to him, you 

1354
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120
wanted to kill me, so I'll wait 
for you in hell. 

1355
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:01,720
It's just like, Oh yeah, I, I, I
mean, I, I think for her. 

1356
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,360
It's a curse like. 
She, Yeah, it's a curse. 

1357
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,200
She's cursing him. 
And like that in China and like 

1358
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,920
with the historical facts and 
whatnot, that's very powerful. 

1359
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,200
Like so I, I, I. 
Think everything you've done to 

1360
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,120
me. 
Yeah. 

1361
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,760
Oh, wait, sorry. 
I brought in some color purple 

1362
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,560
so Oh no y'all are laughing too 
much so. 

1363
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,120
I was kind of. 
Surprised that sticking on 

1364
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,080
Princess Waning. 
I was surprised that they gave 

1365
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,720
her so much back story. 
And they did it in the 11th 

1366
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,120
hour, right in the final eight 
or so episodes. 

1367
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,560
They gave us all of this. 
Yeah, they gave us all of this 

1368
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,200
back story for her flashback 
sequences as well. 

1369
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,640
And that we get to see what 
happened to her in the Kingdom 

1370
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,680
of Die as a political hostage. 
And that she was treated 

1371
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,720
horribly, horrendously, 
humiliated, forced to be a 

1372
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:58,080
sexual slave, kept out in the 
elements, sleeping with the 

1373
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:03,520
sheep in the fields. 
And it shows her initiating an 

1374
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,840
abortion, like giving herself an
abortion by putting extreme 

1375
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:12,480
stress on her body, wading into 
freezing cold water. 

1376
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,480
And I thought that that little 
act of rebellion was just 

1377
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:20,720
probably all she could do to 
take some control over her life 

1378
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,440
and her body, because at that 
point all her agency and all her

1379
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:27,440
bodily autonomy was stripped 
away. 

1380
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,960
Never mind her status, her 
family, everything she knew. 

1381
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:36,640
What's worse is that her own 
father sold her off and did 

1382
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:37,560
this. 
To her. 

1383
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:41,520
It's very obvious, like there's 
a one to one that it brought 

1384
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,440
about this deep seated 
resentment, this hatred. 

1385
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:50,520
It bred wickedness in her. 
And I, I'm a firm believer that 

1386
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,280
two things can be true at the 
same time. 

1387
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,400
She can be a victim and she can 
be an abuser. 

1388
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:56,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1389
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:02,480
And so for her, like once she 
saw Shen Yu Dong, she wanted to 

1390
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:05,400
be the poison and the cure for 
him. 

1391
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,600
And she was so love starred, 
attention starved, looking for a

1392
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,520
strong male figure who wouldn't 
abandoned her like her own 

1393
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,800
father did. 
And she saw this upstanding. 

1394
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,480
Dutiful, kind gentleman and she 
just imprinted on him completely

1395
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,840
instead of developing a healthy 
crush on him like she was just 

1396
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,200
infatuated and needed to possess
him. 

1397
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:36,080
It was all about possession and 
she was greedy, entitled, felt 

1398
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,760
the world owed it to her after 
her hostage ordeal. 

1399
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:48,640
And let me just say the fake 
baby plot was deliciously 

1400
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,400
ruthless. 
Deliciously ruthless. 

1401
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:59,840
I was living for that plot 
because even though Jiang Lee or

1402
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,920
Shui Fung Fi didn't have any 
idea about the horrors that she 

1403
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,240
experienced as a hostage and 
that she was infertile and 

1404
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,720
actually wanted to have a baby 
eventually with Shen Yu Dong, 

1405
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:17,600
this I mean, it hit or where it 
hurt like it was so brutal. 

1406
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:23,560
And I thought for someone who 
did not value human life at all,

1407
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,800
who relished torturing and 
killing and exploiting others, 

1408
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:31,560
she really did want to grow 
life. 

1409
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,520
She really wanted to bring new 
life into this world. 

1410
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,240
And I was like, this is the 
biggest irony. 

1411
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,880
And it's what sent her over the 
edge. 

1412
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,640
Like after this, she was like, 
we're doing this fucking coup 

1413
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,400
right now. 
We need to call the army. 

1414
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,120
Send for my brother. 
Oh my God, the delusion on her. 

1415
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,560
If you thought Shenyudong was 
delusional, she was even more 

1416
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,880
delusional to think that 
Shenyudong was. 

1417
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:58,320
She thought that he would 
actually love her sincerely and 

1418
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,200
forgive her for all of her 
bullshit, literally making him 

1419
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,920
kill his own wife. 
She was genuinely shocked that 

1420
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:11,600
he kept going back to his 
ex-wife, that he kept subtly 

1421
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,240
rejecting her and will go so far
as to kill her in the final 

1422
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:16,960
sequence. 
Delusional. 

1423
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,000
Delusional. 
I love that she killed. 

1424
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,360
Not that she killed herself, but
that she did it with his flower 

1425
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,640
hairpin that he gave her. 
He. 

1426
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,960
Was like a full circle moment. 
Yeah. 

1427
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:34,680
Especially after his impassioned
speech about her never being 

1428
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,000
more than a pawn to be used and 
tossed aside when they're done 

1429
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,000
with her. 
Yeah. 

1430
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,560
Which is all true. 
It's all true. 

1431
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:47,320
She he didn't speak a word of a 
lie in that final thing that he 

1432
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,880
said to her. 
I think that I didn't like it 

1433
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,240
that she took her life, but it 
is a part of that. 

1434
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,640
Like she wants to, it wants to 
be in her own terms. 

1435
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,360
I don't know. 
I kind of felt the same way that

1436
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,760
Caitlin did initially, that she 
should have crashed out 

1437
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,040
differently. 
The thing is, for me, I think I 

1438
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,440
didn't necessarily want her to 
kill. 

1439
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,600
You're wrong. 
Because I think that belonged to

1440
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,680
Jangly, like Shukran Fei. 
That was Shufa. 

1441
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,240
Like, that should have been the 
way to go. 

1442
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,200
So that's why I don't think I 
minded as much. 

1443
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,120
But yeah, the actress did such a
good job. 

1444
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:30,840
And like Jess was saying, I 
think for me what I saw was all 

1445
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:36,160
she's ever been shown is like, 
ruefulness from every side. 

1446
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,040
So that's what she does to 
everybody else because she knows

1447
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,800
no other way. 
Like nobody's ever showed her 

1448
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,840
love or kindness. 
So The thing is, he's the first 

1449
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,760
person who's ever shown her any 
sort of like kindness by giving 

1450
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,400
her this bloody handkerchief out
of that. 

1451
01:23:56,440 --> 01:24:01,520
That's why I think she holds on 
so tightly to him because I feel

1452
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,880
like to me, how I see it, it's 
almost like she's constantly in 

1453
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,360
the dark and he comes out of 
nowhere and it's like this 

1454
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,080
blaring light for her. 
And I think that's why she holds

1455
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,800
on so tight to the point of 
going crazy and being 

1456
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,200
delusional. 
But then she wants to bring him 

1457
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:21,600
down. 
She keeps saying like I'm 

1458
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,160
bringing him down into the 
quagmire and I want him to get 

1459
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,520
his hands dirty and I want to 
get on my level. 

1460
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:33,120
I think it's because to her, he 
can't be hers unless he's down 

1461
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:38,560
there with her, unless he's like
she snuffs some of that light 

1462
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,880
out, you know, makes him a 
little bad. 

1463
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,520
I don't think she believes he 
could ever truly be hers. 

1464
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:50,120
And also I also think for her, 
if she breaks him and if she 

1465
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,800
makes him bad, there's no way Xu
Fung Fi would ever go back to 

1466
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,760
him. 
I mean, so I think that's why 

1467
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,800
her wanting to break him comes 
from that as well. 

1468
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,800
Yeah, I think she looks at him 
kind of like a horse. 

1469
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,600
I need to break this horse. 
And. 

1470
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,400
He's going to be mine and he 
needs to be submissive. 

1471
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,360
And that that was kind of stuff 
that I was really intrigued 

1472
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,200
about their relationship was 
that she was so hell bent on 

1473
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:24,120
humbling him, on degrading him, 
on making sure that he was below

1474
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,480
her, on making sure that he was 
constantly prostate on his 

1475
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:31,160
knees, making him feel pain make
it was like training an animal. 

1476
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,600
Like, you know what I'm saying? 
She was constantly throwing her 

1477
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:39,760
weight around, showing her 
power, and what was cool about 

1478
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,120
it was that the female 
characters don't get a chance to

1479
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:47,680
one up the guys necessarily in 
such an overt, aggressive way, 

1480
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,560
but she does. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1481
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,280
I, I feel like because of all 
the, the terrible things that 

1482
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,000
she's been through, like a lot 
of times, like the abuse becomes

1483
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,560
the abuser. 
And I feel like that plays a 

1484
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,240
role in like how she would treat
him as well. 

1485
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,960
Because she's like, I've had all
these terrible things happen to 

1486
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,720
me. 
And she's just like, yeah, I 

1487
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,600
want him. 
And I'm obsessed with him, but I

1488
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,680
also want to hurt him. 
Like, I've been hurt as well. 

1489
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,120
And kind of like what Liliana 
was saying, Like, I feel like 

1490
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,280
she feels like, you know, in 
order for us to be together, 

1491
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,360
like I need him to be as 
depraved and as miserable as I 

1492
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,000
am. 
That's the only way this is 

1493
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,760
going to work. 
And so the only way to do that 

1494
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,160
is like how much you were 
saying, just like I have to 

1495
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,640
break him down. 
And she, yeah, she tried. 

1496
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,760
Yeah, she was crazy. 
She was crazy. 

1497
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,200
She was a crazy bitch. 
I loved her. 

1498
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,080
So any other villains we want to
talk about? 

1499
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,200
I know there's G Sharon, which 
is the stepmom, the evil 

1500
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,160
stepmother. 
Yeah, she was my guilty pleasure

1501
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,320
villain, really. 
She was just, she was so 

1502
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,760
unhinged. 
Like I was like how? 

1503
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,280
How like demented do you have to
be to frame a child? 

1504
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,080
Frame a literal. 
Child, you framed a child like, 

1505
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,040
what is wrong with you? 
But the what made it a guilty 

1506
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,240
pleasure was like when we 
learned her back story and I was

1507
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:05,760
like, oh, you have a messy, a 
messy background, like messy, 

1508
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,320
the audacity and you're trying 
to ruin other people's lives. 

1509
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,400
Like you have a lot at stake. 
Like, and I was shocked to just 

1510
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,080
see like everything that was 
going on with her and how she 

1511
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,960
had this lover and she tried to 
get rid of him and he came back.

1512
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,960
I was like, Oh my gosh, you knew
I was not expecting that to come

1513
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,200
from her. 
Yeah, the laugh that I let out 

1514
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,920
when they did the flashback 
sequence for her framing Jiang 

1515
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:35,360
Lee, the OG Jiang Lee. 
And she just, like, throws 

1516
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,440
herself down the stairs. 
Yeah, and I was like, this bitch

1517
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:43,720
did not like, she really did not
just catapult herself down these

1518
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:44,840
stairs. 
Terrible. 

1519
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,720
I was like, what the hell? 
And no one's, I mean, she 

1520
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,560
silenced anybody who would 
obviously dissent to like this 

1521
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,880
whole thing. 
But wow, what a performance. 

1522
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,240
What a performance. 
Anything else about the 

1523
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:01,400
villains? 
One more the I could not stand 

1524
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:06,720
the stepmoms maidservant. 
Oh my gosh that Lady blew me. 

1525
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,400
I every time she's on the screen
I was like get her off the 

1526
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:12,000
screen. 
She was the worst. 

1527
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:14,880
She made me so angry. 
Yeah. 

1528
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,920
All right, so I'm gonna get back
to the Instagram questions. 

1529
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:23,000
How would you compare this show 
to other redo dramas? 

1530
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,720
And then they put in 
parentheses, Marry my husband's 

1531
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,520
story of Kuning Palace, 
etcetera. 

1532
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,760
So I don't consider this a redo 
drama. 

1533
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,560
Neither do I. 
I don't either. 

1534
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,680
Story of Kooning identity. 
Story of Kooning Palace is a 

1535
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,640
true redo story. 
I mean she dies and goes back in

1536
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,120
time and marry my. 
Husband goes back to when she's 

1537
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,120
18 years old. 
Yeah, and marry my husband is 

1538
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,680
also is the same, you know, 
fairly similar. 

1539
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:56,680
So those are true redo stories. 
This one is not a redoing the 

1540
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:57,520
essence. 
This one is. 

1541
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,360
She's redoing her own life. 
She's redoing. 

1542
01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:01,720
Somebody. 
Else's life. 

1543
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,000
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

1544
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,720
Yeah, this is more in line with 
Princess Wei Young. 

1545
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1546
01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:13,000
What's the plot of that one? 
It's this so she. 

1547
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,040
This is this. 
They're gonna hate me. 

1548
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,680
The double is better. 
Oh, Oh my gosh. 

1549
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,280
But. 
You guys does. 

1550
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,120
You. 
Guys know I have beef. 

1551
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:26,440
I mean, we've reviewed Wei 
Young, you know, I have beef 

1552
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:30,640
with that drama. 
Wei Young was made in 2015, so 

1553
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,880
that's. 
Almost 10 years ago, yeah. 

1554
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,800
So the plot of Princess. 
I think you would actually 

1555
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,680
really love Princess Wei Young. 
As a matter of fact, there's 

1556
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,520
more romance in that one than 
the double, actually. 

1557
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:46,600
So the plot of Princess Wei 
Young is this girl from a small 

1558
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:52,160
country, she's a Princess, Her 
whole family gets slaughtered in

1559
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:56,280
this strange happening that 
happens at the front of the show

1560
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,280
and it was done by the 
neighboring country and she is 

1561
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,960
basically adrift. 
They think that she's dead and 

1562
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:10,560
she is helped by this benevolent
girl who is also been abandoned 

1563
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,080
by her family and is living in 
this wooded area with like a 

1564
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,160
caretaker. 
And that girl dies, and she 

1565
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,400
assumes her identity. 
Oh my gosh, it's the same thing.

1566
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:27,400
And then she exacts revenge for 
this girl who was an Angel, a 

1567
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:28,840
beautiful Princess, little 
Angel. 

1568
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,960
And she's like, what the hell 
was going on in this neighboring

1569
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:37,400
country? 
How can I find justice for my 

1570
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,160
country, which was consumed by 
this neighboring country? 

1571
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:42,800
And my whole family was 
slaughtered. 

1572
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,840
The royal family was slaughtered
and that's the plot of Princess 

1573
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,440
Weyong. 
Oh my gosh, it is the same 

1574
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:50,920
thing. 
It's the same thing. 

1575
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:55,880
I'm sure there's other shows 
that do it again. 

1576
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,880
Yeah, cuz Princess Weyong was 
very popular. 

1577
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,600
So it always happens. 
You have a popular plot and then

1578
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,160
you kind of reuse the plot in 
other ones. 

1579
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,960
Yeah. 
So I guess that answers that 

1580
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:12,200
question from Instagram. 
This question is from Discord. 

1581
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,360
I'd love to know if you all 
think the Duke going off to 

1582
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,920
battle in the final episode 
could have been spread out over 

1583
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,400
another episode so that we 
really felt the impact and 

1584
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,120
danger that he might not come 
home. 

1585
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:24,960
Was it fine as is? 
Did we need it? 

1586
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:29,080
Maybe it could have been some 
like quick montage flashes and 

1587
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:33,480
then SpongeBob Boys one year 
later or whatever it was. 

1588
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,920
No, I I don't. 
I didn't need a longer battle 

1589
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:40,520
situation. 
Yeah, I don't think I agree. 

1590
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,520
And as I don't think it needed 
to be spread out over multiple 

1591
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,320
episodes or that no. 
No same. 

1592
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:48,440
Same. 
OK. 

1593
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:49,880
We've already been through so 
much. 

1594
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,640
They spent 40 episodes trying to
exact this revenge. 

1595
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,600
You don't need, like, a whole 
other storyline with the war. 

1596
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,160
Yeah. 
OK, I want to spend the rest of 

1597
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,040
the time talking about this 
couple and this romance and this

1598
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,800
question. 
This last question has to do 

1599
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,880
with that. 
So they ask the no kissing right

1600
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,240
up until the end. 
Personally, I thought it worked,

1601
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,480
but I saw a lot of comments 
frustrated by this, including 

1602
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:17,840
Wang Shing Yue with a little 
happy emoji. 

1603
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,360
So what did? 
What did you guys think of this?

1604
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:26,440
This was a huge choice that the 
drama made because Sea Drama 

1605
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:30,840
Land might be a little prudish 
sometimes, but not this prudish.

1606
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,200
What do you guys think about the
no kissing until the last 

1607
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:38,280
episode? 
For me, I will argue that this 

1608
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,960
is not a romance. 
This is a revenge drama. 

1609
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,640
So I think that like by default,
the romance is going to take a 

1610
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,000
backseat. 
So, you know, I was satisfied 

1611
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,400
with my slow burn and my little 
my little touches and my little 

1612
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,120
lingering looks until the end 
because the story is the revenge

1613
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,560
and I love romance. 
That's I'm a romance girlie. 

1614
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,960
I always love it. 
But like I understood like as 

1615
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:02,560
far as I was concerned, the way 
I understood the story was that 

1616
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,080
the romance is going to take a 
backseat to everything else that

1617
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,400
needs to happen. 
So I was fine with it. 

1618
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,280
Now, if this is as like purely 
romance drama out of and like, 

1619
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:13,680
what the heck is going on? 
What is going like That's not 

1620
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,600
that's not what it is. 
So I was fine with how it was 

1621
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,800
done. 
Okay, so you didn't miss it at 

1622
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:20,520
all? 
No, I thought it was done. 

1623
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,560
I like the, I think because it 
was so slow. 

1624
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,240
The tension was just always 
building. 

1625
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,000
So like I was always entertained
by it even though it was being 

1626
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,840
very slow. 
So I liked it the way it was. 

1627
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,080
Got you drama trio. 
Sound off. 

1628
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:36,720
I think I, I agree with Naz in 
terms of like this was not 

1629
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,760
supposed to be a romance drama. 
And I think what helped too with

1630
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:45,120
the slow burn thing is like they
were truly equals. 

1631
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,520
The, the, the intelligence was 
there. 

1632
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,760
They supported each other. 
It wasn't like he was the 

1633
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,400
smarter person and she and 
helping her and she was kind of 

1634
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,840
just stumbling along. 
Like, yes, he was supporting 

1635
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:04,520
her, but she was equally as 
smart and equally contributing 

1636
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,880
to these plans of revenge. 
And I think what helped is like 

1637
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,520
their teamwork in the revenge 
sustained the lack of romance 

1638
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,320
until the end because you saw 
their interaction and their 

1639
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:23,040
commitment to each other as 
partners in terms of revenge, 

1640
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:27,720
which then led to this romance 
blossoming by the end. 

1641
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:33,720
I think for me personally, it 
worked and you could almost 

1642
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:38,600
divide this show up in. 
So you have the first sort of 

1643
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:43,840
Arc of sorts, which is Jung 
Lee's revenge. 

1644
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,080
So that is on the Jung family 
and that has nothing to do with 

1645
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,520
Duke SU. 
Like Duke SU might pop in every 

1646
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,360
now and again, but that is Jung 
Lee's revenge. 

1647
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:59,600
Now when you move over to Xufong
Fei's revenge, that's when he 

1648
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,440
kind of their paths kind of 
intercept way, way more. 

1649
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:08,560
And that's when she, you know, 
can use his help here and there.

1650
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,280
But like Caitlin was saying, 
they were equals. 

1651
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:17,120
Their banter back and forth is 
so incredibly good. 

1652
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:22,480
And when I say this, you know, 
even as an international fan who

1653
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:26,040
doesn't understand Mandarin, it 
sounded good to me. 

1654
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:30,440
But there was people watching it
and who do understand Mandarin 

1655
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:34,560
and they were saying these two 
are just firing at each other in

1656
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:39,000
like the best kind of way. 
The idioms that they're using 

1657
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,440
and whatnot is just so good. 
So to me, it didn't bother me 

1658
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:48,120
because at the end of the day, 
this was kind of like Shu Fung 

1659
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,240
Fi story. 
It was her story and it was her 

1660
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,840
revenge plot. 
And I think he was happy to 

1661
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:00,080
like, kind of let her shine and 
do her thing and, you know, help

1662
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,360
her when she needed. 
But like Caitlin was saying, 

1663
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:06,000
they're equals, they're smart, 
they can work with each other. 

1664
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,760
He can stand aside and do let 
her do her thing. 

1665
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,080
And he can, you know, and he can
step forward and do his thing 

1666
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,160
while she steps back. 
So I think they work really, 

1667
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,600
really well together in terms of
being a couple. 

1668
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,720
But this was never sold as a 
romance drama. 

1669
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,160
This was a revenge drama and I 
think this has been happening 

1670
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:31,240
more and more often where people
are expecting dramas to be like 

1671
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:35,720
romances and to be sold as 
romances when they aren't. 

1672
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,160
I think like the quickest one 
that comes to mind straight away

1673
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,680
is the story of Pearl Girl, 
which is airing with Zalushi 

1674
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,760
right now. 
This show is not a romance and 

1675
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,760
people are going in and being 
like, oh, there's the guys, It's

1676
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,920
a business show. 
Hot people, they don't have to 

1677
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,960
be exactly together 
romantically, like, you know 

1678
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:00,520
what I'm saying? 
Like, just because that's how 

1679
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,880
they're, that's how they get you
to watch. 

1680
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,320
Yeah, it's because these people 
are hot. 

1681
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,760
But The thing is, the chemistry 
can be there, and I think it all

1682
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,320
comes down, that's what. 
Makes it. 

1683
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:11,600
Fun. 
Exactly. 

1684
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,680
It all comes down to the actors 
themselves. 

1685
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,920
They don't have to be touching 
for it to be sizzling on my 

1686
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:23,960
screen. 
Like, I mean, when did we get 

1687
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,440
hit? 
When it was like Western shows? 

1688
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,960
They have very explicit scenes, 
but there's no chemistry. 

1689
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,120
I mean, that's what I mean. 
So. 

1690
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:36,880
But we've always enjoyed the 
fact that Asian dramas have 

1691
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:42,280
almost a lack of skinship at 
some point and they can still 

1692
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:47,120
deliver these very big swooping 
romantic scenes or these very, 

1693
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:52,920
you know, chemistry charged 
scenes without the aid of full 

1694
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:57,120
on making out, so to speak. 
So to me, it works. 

1695
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:01,200
But I've just, I think I've also
just gotten used to this type of

1696
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:05,040
romance where the romance 
historicals tend. 

1697
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,520
I mean, to me, you have very 
different types of historicals. 

1698
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,640
And this is a political 
historical. 

1699
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,560
And when it comes to those, the 
forefront will be the politics 

1700
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,400
and the revenge. 
It won't be the romance. 

1701
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,720
The romance is like the cherry 
on top of the cake. 

1702
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:24,360
So I, I was, I knew what I was 
getting into and I was not that 

1703
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,240
mad about it at all. 
Like I enjoyed the ride. 

1704
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,200
I enjoyed it too. 
Last night when I was logging 

1705
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,960
the show in my drama list, I was
like, damn, the kiss was in the 

1706
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,960
last episode, that's when they 
got married, yada yada. 

1707
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,320
And I was like working myself 
into a frenzy because you can do

1708
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,160
that. 
You can make yourself angry that

1709
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,440
we didn't get all of this 
romance, we didn't get all these

1710
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:48,760
scenes with them. 
We could have gotten more 

1711
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:50,560
kissing, more hand holding, 
yada, yada, yada. 

1712
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:52,480
And I could feel myself getting 
that way. 

1713
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:55,600
And I was like, it's 1:00 AM. 
Let me just like, put my phone 

1714
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:56,800
down. 
And sleep on it. 

1715
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:01,000
Go to sleep. 
And when I woke up, I thought 

1716
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,440
the same way that I initially 
thought, like when I stopped the

1717
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:07,960
show from playing the end 
credits, which was that was 

1718
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:09,800
amazing. 
I love that show. 

1719
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,480
It was perfect, right? 
Minus the two deaths of the two 

1720
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:15,480
subordinates in the last 20 
minutes. 

1721
01:39:15,480 --> 01:39:17,800
But weird. 
That's splitting hairs, I guess.

1722
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:22,120
But truly, I thought that this 
was a very well written show. 

1723
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,720
It had multiple layers of 
revenge, it had very nuanced, 

1724
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,600
interesting villains, and the 
acting was great. 

1725
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,600
All of the pieces, although the 
puzzle pieces of it were 

1726
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,440
fantastic and I highly recommend
the show. 

1727
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,160
Is this going to satisfy the 
romance fans? 

1728
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:41,880
I think yes. 
Like I think there's still meat 

1729
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,760
there that you can glean 
something from it because the 

1730
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,160
chemistry that these two have is
incredible. 

1731
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,440
Whenever they have scenes 
together, you're like, this is 

1732
01:39:50,440 --> 01:39:53,240
sexually charged. 
I feel the electricity in the 

1733
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,560
air. 
They are so well matched. 

1734
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:00,920
They are constantly bantering, 
flirting aggressively and I'm 

1735
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,560
like, this is so hot. 
Like y'all don't understand? 

1736
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,120
Like the thrill of watching a 
historian. 

1737
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:10,880
Oracle see drama and nothing is 
no clothes are being taken off. 

1738
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,960
You're just like high off of 
them just being in the same room

1739
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,560
together and like they're making
eyes at each other after having 

1740
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,680
a very interesting conversation 
that has nothing to do about 

1741
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,200
their relationship. 
You know what I'm saying? 

1742
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:28,360
It's a very weird way of 
watching if there's no romance, 

1743
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,360
but you're still getting romance
out of it. 

1744
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,840
It's the same thing that happens
when you watch, like, a crime 

1745
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,880
drama and you're like, why 
aren't these two characters 

1746
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,520
together, even though they have,
like, wonderful chemistry? 

1747
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,760
Yes, you know what I'm saying? 
But it's a crime drama. 

1748
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:42,000
Yeah. 
And there's no romance 

1749
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,080
whatsoever. 
They're never gonna get 

1750
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:44,640
together. 
Yeah, you know. 

1751
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,800
Tension is enough. 
Yes, yeah. 

1752
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,640
The tension is enough that the 
the the dream of it is there. 

1753
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,720
Yeah. 
And in this case, the dream is 

1754
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:55,840
realized, right. 
You're not just seeing things. 

1755
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:57,880
It's there. 
It's on the page. 

1756
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,480
Yep. 
What were some scenes that were 

1757
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,240
great romantic set pieces for 
you? 

1758
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,840
Because I remember her like 
drunk dancing in the rain and 

1759
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:12,280
spinning around like that scene.
That scene made all the rounds 

1760
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,360
when the show was airing. 
Like that scene was everywhere. 

1761
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:20,200
Absolutely everywhere. 
That's so good such. 

1762
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,800
A good I think one that I 
enjoyed a lot was and it was 

1763
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:28,360
mostly like him looking at her 
was her playing the instrument 

1764
01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:30,720
in the final exam. 
Yeah. 

1765
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:36,280
Because like the one how he 
strolled into that place, like 

1766
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:40,600
him, Justin Drenrol walking 
through this drama is just like 

1767
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,560
strolling with that large Cape 
behind him always. 

1768
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:50,280
But just like him smugly looking
at her, being proud, but also 

1769
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,800
like making sure he's looking at
her ex-husband. 

1770
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,840
Like wondering what he's going 
to be doing and how nervous he 

1771
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:02,200
is and just his entire demeanor 
in that scene. 

1772
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,120
That's a great scene. 
And then the flowers coming up 

1773
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,640
in this vortex around her as she
like, come on. 

1774
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:13,280
It is so beautiful. 
I love the way they use the CGI 

1775
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,440
in that scene. 
I guess that's why it's a little

1776
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:19,040
difficult to, it's a historical,
but it has these elements in it 

1777
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:23,520
that are fantastical. 
And he flies in and out of her 

1778
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,720
house, like at certain points 
too. 

1779
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,200
It's part of the bits of Ushia 
that are in there. 

1780
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,680
Yeah, yeah, I, I have to say I 
loved the flying. 

1781
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,280
OK, good. 
I got a kick out of it. 

1782
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:39,200
It was every time someone flew. 
I I was so excited. 

1783
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,080
I loved it. 
It was so good. 

1784
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,080
Yeah, my scene might be weird, 
but so. 

1785
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,680
Nothing's too weird here. 
It's kind of OK. 

1786
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:54,160
Well, we'll see after I say it, 
but it's. 

1787
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:59,920
So this was when she had to get 
like, she had to get bitten by a

1788
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,240
scorpion or something or 
injected with. 

1789
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:05,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Basically yes. 

1790
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:06,800
To fix her wrist. 
Exactly. 

1791
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:11,160
And so she's in a lot of pain. 
And she was like biting on her 

1792
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:12,240
lip. 
And he was like, no, no, no, 

1793
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:13,920
don't, don't bite yourself, Like
bite me. 

1794
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,920
And she like, totally hurt. 
Yeah. 

1795
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,680
He like gave her his hand. 
And I was like, he just. 

1796
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,800
She bit his hand. 
Gosh, but but even like in that 

1797
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,880
whole sequence, like the care he
took for her, just that's when I

1798
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,640
started to see the kind of the 
affection grow between them. 

1799
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:30,680
But like that scene, I was like,
Oh my God. 

1800
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,960
Oh, clutching my pearls. 
Literally clutching my I. 

1801
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:43,560
I did clutch my bums in the sea.
Yes, definitely. 

1802
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,520
And then she's kind of like in a
stupor. 

1803
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:48,600
She doesn't realize that she's, 
like, necessarily biting him. 

1804
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,600
And he's like, let her, let her.
It's yeah, babe, babe. 

1805
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:01,680
Oh. 
OK, OK so let me see. 

1806
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:06,240
There was one where the this is 
later in the show the brother 

1807
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,160
calls him brother-in-law. 
Yeah. 

1808
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:15,840
Oh my gosh, yeah. 
And his goofy ass smile and the 

1809
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,480
way he just lights up when he 
calls him brother-in-law. 

1810
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:22,880
I was like Oh my God this is so 
cute. 

1811
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,160
Every time she called him by his
name. 

1812
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,160
Yeah. 
Was a great moment at the. 

1813
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,680
I think the first time she did 
it, I was like, oh, that's when 

1814
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,400
the two guys like just back away
slowly. 

1815
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:40,280
I think out of from alone. 
Yeah, it's great. 

1816
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:46,080
I for me, it's a lot of like 
their little moments that makes 

1817
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:50,240
that builds the whole picture. 
So there's one where she comes, 

1818
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:54,440
he's helped her with something 
and he's mad at her and he, she 

1819
01:44:54,440 --> 01:45:00,280
comes to help him out and she's 
walking away and she just turns 

1820
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:04,680
back to him and goes to him. 
You're handsome even when you're

1821
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,720
mad and. 
He Oh my gosh. 

1822
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:08,520
Yes, Liliana. 
Yeah, the. 

1823
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:13,640
Smile and she walks off screen 
and it's just like, it's just 

1824
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:17,000
those little scenes. 
There's another one where she's 

1825
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:21,440
being held in prison and she's 
sitting on the floor and he just

1826
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:24,800
strides into the prison, plunks 
himself down. 

1827
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,600
And she's like, I thought you 
were very particular about 

1828
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:32,880
things. 
This this space is way too dirty

1829
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,560
for you. 
And he just goes to her. 

1830
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,920
I'm tired. 
And he just like rests there 

1831
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:42,000
with her and it's just like 
these types of moments that make

1832
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:49,440
it or the scene where she has to
go to to get something. 

1833
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:52,560
She's trying to get close to you
wrong. 

1834
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:57,120
And she had they're stuck at 
like his library of sorts. 

1835
01:45:57,120 --> 01:46:02,120
And he puts a cloak over her and
she comes out of that library 

1836
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:05,560
and she's like physically sick. 
And he literally walks to her, 

1837
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,640
grabs the coat, brushes it on 
the floor and slick puts. 

1838
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:15,680
I wonder because that scene is 
like is so he knows that she 

1839
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,960
almost needs to clean herself 
out of it. 

1840
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,120
She needs to like get rid of his
stench away from her and. 

1841
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,200
He makes her I'll. 
Exactly, exactly. 

1842
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:31,600
And it's not just that, it's 
it's the fact that he knows her 

1843
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:37,480
so well to know that she needs 
that, but he yet yet he still 

1844
01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:39,240
lets her do what she needs to 
do. 

1845
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:45,000
To me, it's a combination of all
of these small moments that adds

1846
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,680
up to like the picture as a 
whole. 

1847
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:51,080
When she walks in and like, he's
about to die, he's about to face

1848
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:55,480
all of these people and she 
walks in and she says, who said 

1849
01:46:55,480 --> 01:46:58,280
he's alone? 
And she just walks in and she 

1850
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:01,120
gets her shining. 
You know, she gets to be the 

1851
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:05,040
shining knight and walk in and 
save him for once. 

1852
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:09,480
And she's like, I am not moving 
away from him and she's standing

1853
01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:12,920
in front of him. 
Like I refuse to abandon you. 

1854
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,120
There's scenes like when he 
they. 

1855
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:19,120
I love when they do the 
comparison of Xiao Hung 

1856
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:23,400
basically when he's 10 years old
and he's beating the drums to. 

1857
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:25,960
Like get. 
People to investigate and then 

1858
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,640
they do the comparison and she's
beating the drum. 

1859
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,320
And like that scene is also 
shown in the prison. 

1860
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:35,800
And that's when he says I'm 
really tired. 

1861
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:41,840
And it's just like, it's just 
like a whole lot of small things

1862
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,320
that add up and progression 
picture of them. 

1863
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,400
Yeah, but also just the 
progression of them opening up 

1864
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:51,000
to each other, because even 
though she knows that he knows 

1865
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:56,800
who she is, she doesn't tell him
until way later in the show who 

1866
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,880
she is. 
And I love that about him. 

1867
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:05,000
Just basically giving her time 
and space to be able to trust 

1868
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:10,120
him with the verbal confirmation
that she's Shreya Fung Fi. 

1869
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:16,480
And I think that is important 
that he trusts her so much and 

1870
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:20,800
he's so supportive of her and 
her, not only her, her, her 

1871
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,800
revenge, but also her healing 
journey. 

1872
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,880
Yeah. 
Another scene I liked, which I 

1873
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:30,800
think was just mostly like ha 
ha, he deserves it is when her 

1874
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:34,920
ex-husband and her were like 
walking out the front door from 

1875
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,040
something and he was waiting 
there and. 

1876
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:40,840
Like stop it. 
Her ex-husband was like, I'm 

1877
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,960
gonna drive you home like. 
It reminded me of love like the 

1878
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,360
Galaxy. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1879
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:51,240
That will get me every fucking 
time where like she realizes 

1880
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,400
something or she needs a ride 
and she's in a bind and she 

1881
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:58,640
exits whatever estate and he's 
waiting there for her. 

1882
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,320
Oh no, no, no, it get that was 
everything. 

1883
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,080
See drama crack. 
See drama crack. 

1884
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:04,760
So. 
Rewarding. 

1885
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:06,840
Love it it. 
It'll get me every time. 

1886
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,560
The moment where he starts 
stripping in the mines. 

1887
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,080
Yeah. 
And she's just looking at him. 

1888
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:20,160
She does not avert her eyes. 
I'm like same girl because what?

1889
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:27,280
Stripping in the mines. 
Stripping in the mines, he was 

1890
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,360
like, oh, take my clothes then, 
because I think they were going 

1891
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,040
to take some clothes off a dead 
body and he stunk. 

1892
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:38,600
And she was like stunned, 
stunned to silence. 

1893
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:43,840
I love that part because he and 
then he gratuitous shots of him 

1894
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,800
and his like tiny little body, 
but he's like really toned and 

1895
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,560
yes. 
Yes, and his fighting shots, 

1896
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,400
like when he's practicing 
fighting shots. 

1897
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:53,760
Yeah, classic. 
C Drama. 

1898
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,200
I'm so glad you were. 
Introduced to, He'd just be 

1899
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:57,680
like, practicing in slow motion,
yeah. 

1900
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,120
I. 
Think the hair's flowing? 

1901
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:07,960
I think we need to introduce Naz
to Roule and his his scenes cuz 

1902
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:09,760
she'll never be the same again. 
Nothing. 

1903
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:12,080
The same. 
That's very true. 

1904
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:16,120
Oh man. 
Is Wooley Dylan Wong? 

1905
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:18,200
No, no, no. 
OK. 

1906
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,760
Those are two separate people. 
They're both great. 

1907
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,920
OK, because I know he OK, 
because I know he comes because 

1908
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,400
Dylan Wong has like he goes to 
buy another name too. 

1909
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:26,760
Right. 
Yeah. 

1910
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,640
So Dylan Wong's real name is 
Wong Hoody. 

1911
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:33,760
So that's his like, real name. 
And then they have like some 

1912
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,520
will have Weston Christian, so 
his. 

1913
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:40,160
Yeah, yeah. 
So his is Dylan Wong, but yeah, 

1914
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:44,280
his real name is Wong Hoody. 
No, we're like is a whole 

1915
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:48,600
different ballpark, like. 
Which drops of man be heven in? 

1916
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,280
Love like the Galaxy? 
OK, he loves like the Galaxy, 

1917
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,960
OK. 
Wooley Wooley's like, so a lot 

1918
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,720
of them choose like English 
names. 

1919
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:02,120
So you have Dylan Wong Wooley's 
English name is Leo Woo. 

1920
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:05,480
So that's his, that's his 
English name. 

1921
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,960
I know this guy. 
OK, OK, OK, yes, I recognize his

1922
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:12,320
face. 
Yeah, so there's so many little 

1923
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:16,080
moments throughout this 40 
episode journey that just speak 

1924
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:21,920
to their romance, that get you 
hype, that make you just excited

1925
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,720
to see them interact some more 
throughout this revenge story. 

1926
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:32,240
I I didn't necessarily feel the 
lack of the skinship so I 

1927
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:35,440
thought it worked too. 
Was there anything else you guys

1928
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:37,080
wanted to talk about? 
I. 

1929
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,960
Think. 
So no, no, I think we kept oh, 

1930
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,760
the one thing I wanted to talk 
about was real fast. 

1931
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:50,520
Che Feng Fei, even though she 
gets back her family, I loved 

1932
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:54,880
how she handles her second 
father, the Jiang Lee's father, 

1933
01:51:56,360 --> 01:52:01,360
and their final interaction and 
how she kind of, I mean, he's 

1934
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,520
gone for like many episodes in 
the latter half of the show 

1935
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:08,480
because she puts the fear of God
in him. 

1936
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:12,240
Like she basically says, you 
don't have my forgiveness if you

1937
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:17,960
think that I am going to forgive
you and forget everything that 

1938
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:22,200
happened over this decade of 
abuse that I didn't deserve. 

1939
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,120
It was totally unjust. 
You got another thing coming. 

1940
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,560
And he was like, I'll just give 
you some space. 

1941
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:31,080
Gone for like dozens of 
episodes, but their final 

1942
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:35,120
interaction was good because he 
confirmed what he already knew, 

1943
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:37,880
that his daughter had already 
died, right? 

1944
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:40,320
He killed his own daughter, 
essentially. 

1945
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:45,760
His agony was great. 
I thought that was a great 

1946
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,160
little montage that they put in 
there of him just collapsing and

1947
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:54,520
then crying and wailing. 
He still, you know, accepts this

1948
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:59,200
other woman like he still 
accepts Shreya Fengfey wants her

1949
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:00,240
in the family. 
Obviously. 

1950
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:02,080
He's like, you can't tell 
anybody else, like the 

1951
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,320
grandmother's going to keel 
over. 

1952
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,040
You can't tell anybody. 
It stays between us. 

1953
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:11,440
But I really liked how they sort
of kept this relationship and 

1954
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,960
that he still loved her and 
supported her. 

1955
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:17,400
And he has to carry that. 
I think like almost his 

1956
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:21,040
punishment is the fact that he 
has to carry that with him, that

1957
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:26,280
he can't mourn his daughter only
privately and only alone. 

1958
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,800
So I think that's like 
punishment in of itself for him 

1959
01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:33,800
for not standing by his 
daughter's side. 

1960
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:38,760
I actually really enjoyed his 
character growth and how he kind

1961
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:43,160
of this, you know, I saw what 
was truly important and kind of 

1962
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:47,600
stepped away from it all. 
So I really liked his character 

1963
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,320
as a whole. 
I think towards the edge. 

1964
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,200
Yeah, I agree. 
I will never. 

1965
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:55,560
Forget Naz finding out her 
father was alive. 

1966
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:00,440
I'm like sitting there on my 
couch and she's been like 

1967
01:54:00,440 --> 01:54:03,560
messaging me as she's like 
watching the show and all of a 

1968
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,680
sudden I get a message. 
Her. 

1969
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:09,160
Father was alive this entire 
time. 

1970
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:12,560
Something like that I'll never 
forget. 

1971
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,960
Welcome to. 
Chinese dramas there, there's 

1972
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,800
always people that are alive, 
they're never quite dead. 

1973
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:23,280
Again, what's the rule? 
We always go with Asian dramas 

1974
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:26,440
if there is no body. 
Body, They're alive. 

1975
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,560
Yeah, they're alive. 
They're alive. 

1976
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:33,120
Oh yeah, I was shocked. 
What about the brother? 

1977
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:35,400
Were you shocked when the 
brother was the hostage? 

1978
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,000
I was more shocked. 
About the brother than I was 

1979
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,800
with the dad because I was I was
adamant one of them had to have 

1980
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,880
been dead at some. .0 I see what
you're saying. 

1981
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,320
But I you were like they. 
Can't possibly both. 

1982
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,760
Be alive exactly. 
Like I was more shocked about 

1983
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:54,360
the brother than the dad because
I just assumed that I don't 

1984
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:57,400
know, again, there's no body 
that means they're not dead. 

1985
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:01,120
So I was like OK, both of them 
don't have bodies so one of them

1986
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:04,360
has to be alive. 
And I was assuming she was going

1987
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:06,200
to find the other one dead 
somewhere. 

1988
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:10,440
So I was more shocked about the 
brother than the dad personally.

1989
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:14,440
I see. 
Well that's the end of my 

1990
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:16,640
thoughts. 
I have no notes you. 

1991
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:19,360
Must just say notes and you're 
like, wait, I don't have notes I

1992
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,560
don't have. 
No notes. 

1993
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:23,960
I don't know what I'm saying. 
So that's it. 

1994
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,120
We're gonna we're gonna get out 
of here. 

1995
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:28,600
This is a great time with all 
three of you. 

1996
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:33,720
If you guys can say where you 
guys can be found online? 

1997
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:39,480
For me it's Tea and Soju pod on 
all the socials and Tea and Soju

1998
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,400
podcast on Spotify, Apple 
Podcasts where you can find lots

1999
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,600
of dramatry episodes and AS has 
been over there as well. 

2000
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:51,360
So that's me. 
And me, you can find me on 

2001
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:55,120
Instagram at Swoon Diaries pod 
and also my podcast. 

2002
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:57,400
You can listen to it wherever 
you listen to podcasts. 

2003
01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:01,160
The Swoon Diaries podcast. 
And me, I have a blog and a 

2004
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:06,840
podcast with the same name of no
sleep, the number 4 dramas, and 

2005
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:11,280
you can find me on Instagram, 
TikTok, YouTube, now anywhere. 

2006
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:13,920
Thanks guys. 
Thank you guys so much for 

2007
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:17,680
coming on this show on the 
offseason to talk about a 

2008
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,960
Chinese drama, but. 
Thank you for having us. 

2009
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,160
This was so fun. 
I got this was a lot of fun 

2010
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,160
about Steve drama with the drama
trio. 

2011
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:27,960
Exciting. 
Yeah, super exciting. 

2012
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:29,440
We got to have you on one more 
time. 

2013
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:33,040
See if there's another Steve 
drama you want to chat about. 

2014
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:36,680
Yes. 
Maybe just a heads up, we are 

2015
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:40,920
going to review Love Like the 
Galaxy next year, so believe 

2016
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,880
that they're for you. 
Oh my gosh. 

2017
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:48,160
You heard it here first, the 
little peek behind the curtain 

2018
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:51,040
out of the drama trio schedule 
for 2025. 

2019
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:54,840
Anyway, we're going to get out 
of here. 

2020
01:56:55,120 --> 01:56:57,640
That's been our show. 
I'm Jessica and this has been 

2021
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:20,000
the Teba K Rambles podcast. 
Show me the shit. 

2022
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:23,200
None.