1 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,400 I'm Jessica and this is Taba K Rambles, where a couple of 2 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,720 friends review Korean dramas and we're back for another sports 3 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,720 drama episode review. We're going to be reviewing Hot 4 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,200 Stove League and for this episode I am joined by Emily and 5 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,600 Raquel from the Play On K podcast. 6 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:44,280 How are you ladies? We didn't plan that. 7 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:48,480 Just like that. Sorry. 8 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,480 How are you guys doing? And for those who don't know 9 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,920 your podcast, maybe just introduce yourselves and 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,440 introduce what maybe you're watching lately. 11 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,520 Just just a little primer. All right, Raquel, you go first. 12 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,760 OK, OK. Hi, I'm Raquel with Play on K 13 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,640 Right now for the podcast. We are watching study group over 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,280 at Play on K. We watch 2 episodes at a time 15 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,240 and review it and so anyone who's interested around the time 16 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,920 this comes out, go back to our study group episodes because we 17 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,000 are having a blast with that show. 18 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,240 It is. It's so weird and off the wall 19 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,960 and we've loved it so far and it can be found on Vicki. 20 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,720 What else have we been watching? We've slowed down a lot recently 21 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,480 because our schedules are like especially M schedules are super 22 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,520 jam packed. But I'll I'll let you, Emily, 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,680 like see what else we might be watching. 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,920 What else it have we recently watched in the past? 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,520 We started Family by Choice because we thought we were going 26 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,360 to watch it for the podcast and we both didn't care for it. 27 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,400 We decided to avoid that one. Yeah, Before that, we recently 28 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,800 finished Youngsung Creatures Season 2. 29 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,040 Season 1 was one of Raquel's all time favorite shows. 30 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,480 It's a banger. And season 2 was fine. 31 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,440 So that was. OK, yeah, I love your face when 32 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,960 you said that. Yeah, I have heard so many great 33 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,640 things about Study Group and I can't wait to watch later in the 34 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,280 year when the hip hop podcast season is over. 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,960 I usually leave about 3-4 months at the end of the year to just 36 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,920 binge my way through everything that came out in the current 37 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,000 year and study group is on my finish the year 2025 list of 38 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,720 dramas, so I'm really excited to do that. 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,720 And Kyung Song Creature, yeah, I don't think I ended up pressing 40 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,560 play on it because it was slated for a season 2. 41 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,560 So I was like, that's a back burner drama for me, if that 42 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,400 makes any sense. Yeah. 43 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,120 Also, it was like really dark and I'm a mood watcher so I was 44 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,680 like, I'm not feeling this right now. 45 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,120 But and then what was the other one? 46 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Family by choice? I refuse to watch Family by 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,840 Choice until I've watched the original sea drama, which is Go 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,200 ahead. I didn't know that it was 49 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,880 originally a sea drama. Oh girl, yeah, that was a sea 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,520 drama. A very famous, well regarded C 51 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,720 drama. What? 52 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,520 Yes. And so they created Family by 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Choice based on that C drama. And I just refused on principle 54 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,120 to watch Family by Choice until I've watched Go Ahead. 55 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,240 That's so valid. I think that's fair. 56 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,080 I'm doing the same thing with Pachinko and the book where I'm 57 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,760 like, I know in my heart I am going to read this book. 58 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,560 And so I cannot press play on this show until I've read it. 59 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,360 I did get a little bit of inspiration because one of my I 60 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,880 like met my high school English teacher for coffee recently and 61 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 we recommended it to her and she actually reads. 62 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,800 She actually reads. So as it turns out, and she 63 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,840 texted me the other day and she was like, I finished the book 64 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,360 and it's one of the best things I've ever read. 65 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,800 I'm enamored. I love it. 66 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,280 Yeah, it's a big book. It's thick. 67 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,800 I want to read it. I have not been a reader for 68 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,160 many years because I used to work in publishing, and so I 69 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,120 used to do a lot more reading and writing and building, like a 70 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,160 books, basically. And so I was really jaded after 71 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,600 a while and like, didn't read. Yeah, it like, stunted my 72 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,960 reading basically for a long time. 73 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,920 And even though I've bought books recently, I haven't even 74 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,760 cracked them open. So I feel horrible. 75 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,880 I resolved to read Pachinko. In the two years since, I've 76 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,760 watched Season 1, and yeah, that still hasn't happened. 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,120 So I am horrible. I'm horrible. 78 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,320 I'm following through on that. But I did watch Season 2. 79 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Amazing, amazing. Love that Apple TV Plus show. 80 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,680 Highly recommend it. I can't wait to hear from you 81 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,200 guys when you finally watch it. But yeah, there's so many shows, 82 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,200 so many great shows, so little time. 83 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,800 Yeah, yes, 100. Percent and we're going to talk 84 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,280 about 1:00 today. But before we do, if this is 85 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,400 your first time listening, go ahead and subscribe on your 86 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,000 favorite podcast app. We're on Apple Podcast, Spotify, 87 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Google Podcasts and many more. 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Let's do it. 102 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,760 OK, so we're going to talk about hot Stove league like I said in 103 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,160 the previous episode, which is the C drama Nothing But You. 104 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,640 I love a good sports drama and we have covered quite a few on 105 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:41,160 the Tiba Ki Ramble's show. We've covered 2521, fencing, 106 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,560 prison playbook, also baseball. Love all play, badminton, 107 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,240 weightlifting, fairy Kimbok, Drew. 108 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,440 Obviously weightlifting in swimming run on which is track. 109 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,960 It's at this point that I have to say I freaking love sports 110 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,400 dramas and I am so self indulgent. 111 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,760 And so I was like, oh nothing but you I want to do and I also 112 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,920 want to do hot stove league. Why the hell not do them 113 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,520 back-to-back? So here we are. 114 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Look at you. Yeah, look at me, look at me. 115 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,720 So here's the My Drama List synopsis for Hot Stove League. 116 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,040 This is about the preparation period of a Major League 117 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,920 Baseball team. The drama focuses on a loser 118 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,880 team that prepares for an extraordinary season upon the 119 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,720 arrival of their new general manager, and each episode will 120 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,000 focus on a problem they have as they prepare to become a 121 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,640 stronger team. Say Young is the youngest head 122 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,080 of the management team of Dreams, a cellar dwelling 123 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,360 baseball team. Cellar dwelling baseball team. 124 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,960 She's highly recognized for her perseverance and intense passion 125 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,760 for the team. One day, Song SU is appointed as 126 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,200 a general manager. Although he's been working in 127 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,400 sports field, the teams he has led to the championship were 128 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,400 unpopular and some of them were even disbanded after winning the 129 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,080 league due to the financial difficulties of their parent 130 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,920 companies. Would this unlucky new general 131 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,160 manager be able to steer Dreams to the championship with 132 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,520 passionate Seiyong? And I think I'm just going to 133 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,680 stop right there. This show aired in December 2019 134 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,360 through February 2020. It is 16 episodes long and 135 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,480 directed by Jung Dong Yun. And this guy has directed, 136 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,039 Wouldn't you know it, Young Song Creature 1 and 2. 137 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,799 I was like oh they mentioned Kyung song creature. 138 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:40,360 He's also directed It's OK to not be OK. 139 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:46,480 This is a questionable 1 though because it's listed on MDL only 140 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,000 and so perhaps maybe he was an assistant director on It's OK to 141 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Not be OK. So it's not quite confirmed that 142 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,920 this director worked on It's OK to not be OK. 143 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Also unconfirmed that he might have worked on heart surgeons 144 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,440 from 2018. Kind of a weird resume anyway. 145 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Fates and Furies from 2018, Exit from 2018, which is a 146 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,960 miniseries, but for sure Kyung Song, Creature one and two from 147 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,120 Netflix most recently I see Fist Pumping. 148 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,480 Yeah. So you guys have the most 149 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,560 experience with this director? Yeah. 150 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,600 And honestly, when you said he directed it's OK to not be OK, 151 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,840 but that's questionable. I thought you were saying the 152 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,320 show is questionable, like that one's OK. 153 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,680 And I was like, I'm sorry, are we going to fight right now? 154 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:40,080 Because I think the three shows those top three on his resume to 155 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,680 me, bangers. Yeah. 156 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Gun sung creature one and two. It's OK to not be OK. 157 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,280 This man can do it all for me. He is untouchable at this point. 158 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Right. It's what I'm saying is 159 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,800 questionable is whether or not he's worked on the show. 160 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:01,040 We just covered it recently on the podcast like 2 episodes ago 161 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,480 by the time you're listening to this. 162 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:09,800 And that was a really crushing recording because the Kim Suhyon 163 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,720 drama is still, the scandal is still ongoing. 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,840 It was very interesting to come back to that drama, rewatch it 165 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,160 and kind of unpack that one. So if you want to go back in 166 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,160 your podcast feed and listen to it, you can. 167 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,920 This director, Zhang Dong Yoon, is not listed as a director in 168 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,640 that episode, obviously. But, you know, hopefully, like, 169 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,120 that gets cleared up. Maybe as he does more work, they 170 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,400 can kind of solidify what other stuff he's done, maybe as an 171 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,680 assistant director or, you know, producer or something like that. 172 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,720 Hot Stove League was written by Ishenhua. 173 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,760 This is their only project. This is the only thing they've 174 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,160 written. Really. 175 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,600 One and done. I mean, once you're like. 176 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,280 Why mess with perfect? It is so shocking. 177 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,480 Nothing else to compare it to. I, I, I don't know, it's crazy. 178 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,800 This show stars Nam Kong Min, who plays Peck Song Soo. 179 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,640 He's the general manager that we were talking about in the My 180 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Drama List synopsis. He's done about 26 TV shows, 181 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,920 including our movie from this year. 182 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,440 I think it's going to come out sometime this year in 2025, but 183 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,360 I think everyone knows him best from my dearest that came out in 184 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,240 2023 and there is a big deep dive on the tip out feed for my 185 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,800 dearest $1.00 Lawyer. The Veil awakened Dr. Prisoner. 186 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Good manager. A girl who sees smells. 12 years 187 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,440 promise. In need of romance 3. 188 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,360 Chung Dung Dung Alice from 2012 becoming a billionaire. 189 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,760 What's your guys experience with this actor? 190 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,880 Incredibly. This is our first time seeing 191 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,360 this man I. Know I'm sorry going to hang out 192 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,400 she's like you're off my bad fast. 300 Thank. 193 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,000 You guys, goodbye. Never. 194 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Never. Well, what did you guys think of 195 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,280 him? I thought he was great in this 196 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,960 role. I really, really liked him in 197 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,880 the, like, he's a pretty stoic character for most of it, but he 198 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:19,000 was, I think, able to outside. Like sometimes when someone 199 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,040 plays a stoic character, it can come off as emotionally stunted 200 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,480 in like a like, there's not as much range that can be given to 201 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,360 the role, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. 202 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,160 I feel like he gave plenty of range well, while maintaining 203 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,240 the core of the character. So I thought he did a really 204 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,200 good job. Yeah. 205 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,680 Yeah. Fully agreed. 206 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,800 Pakkun Bin plays the Co lead in Isayoung. 207 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,160 She obviously has been a child actress. 208 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,240 She's got 33 TV credits to her name. 209 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,880 Hyperknife is currently airing right now. 210 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,040 In the year 2025 she was in Castaway Diva. 211 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:04,040 In 2023 she is the Extraordinary attorney Wu from 20/22 she was 212 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,320 in the King's Affection. Do you like Brahms? 213 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,160 And so many more. I have a couple of reviews up, 214 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,120 so one is for Extraordinary Attorney Wu and the other one is 215 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,400 for Do You Like Brahms If you want to scroll back in your 216 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,000 podcast feed. She is amazing. 217 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,320 I love her as an actress. What do you guys think of Paco 218 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,640 and Vin? We're going to go 0 for two on 219 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:32,440 this. 1 Yeah, we hadn't. So obviously very aware of 220 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Extraordinary Attorney Wu that has been in the zeitgeist. 221 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,960 If you're in anywhere near K dramas, as we have been, you 222 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,360 obviously know about that drama. So yeah, for sure, I've had some 223 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,280 level of familiarity with her. She comes up on my feed a lot. 224 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,840 But yeah, we never watched. We never actually sat down and 225 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,200 put in the time with Extraordinary Attorney Wu. 226 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,200 So we again, yeah, have not seen her before, but. 227 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,320 Loved her. There's so many dramas that I've 228 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,240 pressed play on and watched 2 episodes and then said we got to 229 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,960 watch this for the podcast and then we never did because our 230 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,640 podcast takes so long so. Deep diving every two episodes, 231 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,120 it takes so much time and effort, and it is quite a feat. 232 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,040 So I completely understand why a lot of dramas don't make the cut 233 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,480 for your show. Like, you have to be choosy, for 234 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,520 sure. Well, I love her, and I think 235 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,560 that you should definitely give a couple of these a shot, 236 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,480 whether or not they end up on your podcast. 237 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,000 Do you like Brahms? It's really sweet, really chill. 238 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,000 It's a music show. I think she's a violinist. 239 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Violinist in that one, and she has dreams of being, you know, a 240 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,720 professional violinist, but she doesn't have the talent to kind 241 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,960 of back that up. So it's one of those about 242 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,920 pursuing dreams. But, you know, at what cost of 243 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,560 what time do you give up, Right, Because it's not sustainable. 244 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,440 So plus it's a love story. So, you know, OK, It's good. 245 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Yeah, it's good. That is sold. 246 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,840 Sold. Really sweet show. 247 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,160 I would recommend that one probably over extraordinary 248 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,760 attorney boot, to be quite honest with you, even though 249 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,160 that one's the bigger acting showcase for her. 250 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Oh Jiang Say is to round out our trio here. 251 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,840 He is the nephew of the owner of the baseball club. 252 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,920 He plays Kwong Kyung Min. He's got 55 movies to his name, 253 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,480 about 37 TV shows he is appearing or has appeared in 254 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,960 When Life Gives You Tangerines, When the stars Gossip, both from 255 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,880 2025. Mr. Plankton Sweet Home 3. 256 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Queen of Tears as a cameo in episode 1 Deaths Game. 257 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,400 Sweet Home 2. Revenant Little Women It's OK to 258 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,680 not be OK, which we covered in depth. 259 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,440 When the Camellia blooms set your heart missing 9. 260 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,080 You throw a rock. He's been in a drama. 261 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,600 Yeah. What do you guys think about Oh 262 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Chung say? We did it. 263 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,360 We got one. Yeah, we've seen a lot of stuff 264 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,000 with him in it. Nice, nice. 265 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Yeah, my personal favorite being Little Women, but I'm trying to 266 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,360 recall his character even he must have played someone kind of 267 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,800 far in the background or I'm self reporting as someone with a 268 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,640 terrible memory but like. Usually Raquel's good at this. 269 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,520 Though yeah, I feel like yeah, usually I'm really good at. 270 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,040 It and him fully for not being that memorable. 271 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,880 How dare you do this to me personally. 272 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Rude. Live on air, Rude. 273 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Yeah, I don't look. I don't remember who he was 274 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,240 either in Little Women. I mean, I can look it up, but I 275 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,840 think that's counter intuitive at this point. 276 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,440 There is an episode review on Little Women, so you can scroll 277 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,560 back in your podcast feed and listen to a much clearer Jessica 278 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 talk about Little Women right when she finished watching 279 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,040 Little Women. But Jessica today does not 280 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,319 remember who Oh Jeong Sei was. I just remember there's a lot of 281 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,760 like financial crime in Little Women. 282 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,680 That was the whole thing. That was the plot. 283 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,480 But. It's one of our favorite shows 284 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,960 of all time. It's so good. 285 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,160 Yeah, it's really atmospheric. There was like a poison flower 286 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,560 or something like that. So that's like broad strokes 287 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,120 what I remember. I don't know if you guys no, or 288 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:34,760 if I have ever said on the podcast before, I have a 289 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,360 horrific memory. I have the memory of a goldfish. 290 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,720 And so the blog, like the Tabaki Rambles blog and then now the 291 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,160 podcast is as much about preserving what I think about a 292 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,760 show as much as it is about having fun and talking to people 293 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,000 about K dramas. Because I don't remember like 294 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,480 after a certain period of time, it's gone. 295 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,200 I don't remember specifics. I don't remember characters. 296 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,120 I feel so. Sane. 297 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:07,440 I love this. God, so get it while you can get 298 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,440 it while it's hot basically is with the the name of the game 299 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,880 here with Tampa gay rambles. But we've come to the end of the 300 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,880 cast list. There's definitely more casts 301 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,200 that we can talk through if you guys would like. 302 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,720 You know, the players, the people behind the scenes, the 303 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,280 management, all these people. But I'm just going to skip ahead 304 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,960 and ask you guys, what did you guys think of Hot Stove? 305 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,440 League you go first time. Oh, OK, I hit you up first. 306 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,680 I liked it. I do think I would have liked it 307 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,840 better if it were 12 episodes. I think there were a few 308 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,080 storylines that I could have done without, and if they had 309 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,800 been cut, the show would have been perfectly paced. 310 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,560 I would have been interested from start to finish in every 311 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,320 single thing that happened versus the 16 episode format 312 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,280 that is pretty typical 4K dramas. 313 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,920 I liked it, but there was a few too many storylines that I could 314 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,560 have done without and I was kind of half watching those parts 315 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,560 being like, it's fine, we'll get through them. 316 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,000 Yeah, but overall the highs were high. 317 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Like when we were up, I was fully invested and I was so 318 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,960 excited to be part of this baseball team for the short 319 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,000 lived time that this drama lasted. 320 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,800 I really enjoyed the fun parts of it. 321 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,720 There were just some slow bits that I was like cut. 322 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,320 Gotcha. I, I am very similar in the 323 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,480 sense that like, I guess to specifically identify it because 324 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,240 I also I like sports dramas. I like sports shows and stuff, 325 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,800 but we don't watch a whole lot for our podcast. 326 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,960 This is actually I think is our first one that I can think of as 327 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,240 far as like K dramas go, which was really cool. 328 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,040 But I think like there's stuff that have, I mean, they're so 329 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,960 popular in Western media like we have Ted Lasso was the most 330 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 direct comparison I could give as far as. 331 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:18,760 Something that is an ongoing series about a sports team and 332 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:24,920 like the people within it. And I think that where this the 333 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,080 what, like maybe what and what have identified as the slow 334 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,240 parts. But for me are just like where 335 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,640 the interest fluctuates is the hardcore politics. 336 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,120 Sports politics were a little tough for me sometimes where I 337 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:42,360 was like, can we just watch the inspirational people do 338 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:45,480 inspiration? Like, this one's tough, this 339 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,280 one's tough when I just want to watch the good boys play 340 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,720 baseball and be good boys sometimes. 341 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,880 But I do think that they had a good balance in there where it 342 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,400 helped with my focus fluctuation, where all of a 343 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,080 sudden they were like, now look at this character, throw an 344 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,440 incredible pitch and the people around him that want to help him 345 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,520 or whatever. And then I'm like, I'm back. 346 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,680 I'm back, baby. Oh, I think we do have different 347 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,960 slow parts because I really liked the business stuff. 348 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,520 That's kind of my bread and butter. 349 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,960 I, I'm a business student and so I was like, give me all the 350 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,760 politics of how to make this trade, what stuff had to be 351 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,000 negotiated in what stuff people felt like they were losing in 352 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 the trade versus what they were gaining. 353 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,320 And obviously I did not keep up with the statistics of this 354 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:46,120 person's ETR was .45. And so I don't know what's 355 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:50,640 happening at all here, but the trade negotiations of these 356 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,880 people as baseball players was so fascinating to me. 357 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,200 And I liked that they kind of lost me with character 358 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,640 backstories sometimes. That's where it slowed down for 359 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880 me. I loved the PowerPoint 360 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,480 presentation parts. That's the politics I can get 361 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760 behind. Is a good PowerPoint right? 362 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:17,520 Break it down for us. Yeah, I come from a 4th of July 363 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,160 Rocky marathon family. You know what I'm saying? 364 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:25,000 Like, I love sports movies. I love the underdog story. 365 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,000 I was riding high last year with the Challengers movie, The 366 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,880 Zendaya threesome movie that was like, Oh my God, Coming from A2 367 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,920 Summers taking tennis lessons kind of person. 368 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,680 The Challengers movie was like, Oh my God, it was like a drug. 369 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:49,880 I love sports movies. The Iron Claw, there's so many 370 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,600 movies. Jerry Maguire, bring it On. 371 00:22:53,960 --> 00:23:00,320 Like so many movies, our sports movies and Rudy Radio. 372 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,920 I'm just like reading through here. 373 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Stick it. You ever seen stick it? 374 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Stick it. Are you, do you know who you're 375 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,240 speaking to? Wimbledon. 376 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840 I love that movie love and basketball. 377 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Like I am constantly over here loving sports movie dramas. 378 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,480 And so when I realized that this drama was basically Moneyball 379 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,040 but make it a K drama, I was like sign me up, sign me up. 380 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,880 I was all in. I was locked in. 381 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,680 Oh my God, I was locked in. I was like, give me the nuclear 382 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,360 codes cuz I'm gonna be here a while like this. 383 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:45,480 This was literally right up my alley and I loved all the 384 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,000 business aspect. I loved all of the players 385 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,680 aspect. I loved when they were talking 386 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,400 shop and they were talking stats. 387 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Listen, I don't know anything about stats. 388 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,880 I don't know what means what. Give it to me anyway. 389 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Just throw numbers at me. I was living for it. 390 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:08,800 I loved the Wheeling and dealing and there was so much that was 391 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,560 entertaining to me, that was surprising to me. 392 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,520 And there was something about the team that was really sad and 393 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,600 pitiful. Like it was like an Angels in 394 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,320 the Outfield team. It was like a Bad News Bears 395 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,560 team. Like they were just goofy. 396 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,920 They were awful. They had no talent. 397 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,600 And I was like, yes, there's only one way it's up. 398 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,160 I can't wait. So this show excited me. 399 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,800 It entertained me and I completely understand how you 400 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,760 feel Emily, that you were like it was dragging because I was 401 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,360 watching at a 1.5 speed and that was the perfect speed to watch 402 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,680 it at. How do you do that? 403 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,160 Smart. Oh, there's a plug in on Google 404 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,280 Chrome OK. Yes, we need the plugin. 405 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,320 We need the. Plugin to add to your Google 406 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,200 Chrome and that will change the speed on videos for you. 407 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,040 Pro tip. So because Vicki doesn't have 408 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,280 that feature, no, to change the speed because they're in the 409 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,840 Sony age, but that's neither here nor there. 410 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Anyway. I was watching it at 1.5 speed. 411 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,240 Wonderful speed to watch it at because I think these episodes 412 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,360 should have been 4540 minutes. Yeah, that was a sweet spot for 413 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,920 these episodes. And I'm not sure if anything 414 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,800 could have been cut out. I just think they could have 415 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,560 tightened it up, you know what I'm saying? 416 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,920 So I'm somewhere in between because I liked everything, but 417 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,200 they just needed to move quicker. 418 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Yeah, that makes any sense. Something that probably impacted 419 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,400 my viewing it, it always does. I have this terrible habit of I 420 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,920 never read the synopsis of a show I'm about to start. 421 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,360 I don't know. I I go only on vibes. 422 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,560 I never know what it's actually about. 423 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,680 I hit play and I was listen, smooth brain over here. 424 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,040 I didn't know what a stove leak was. 425 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,720 I had no clue that this show. Thought I knew what a stove leak 426 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,400 was. You're giving me too much 427 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,160 credit. You're giving me way too much 428 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,240 credit. That was the first Google, that 429 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,880 was the first thing, that was the first thing they put on the 430 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,840 screen when you press play on episode 1. 431 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,920 They defined what the stove league was. 432 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,040 And I was still like, let me Fact Check. 433 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,320 Let me Fact Check what the stove league is. 434 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,400 So I mean, I'll just give it to you guys. 435 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,200 Like right now what? The stove league is a stove 436 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,720 league, according to Google's AI overview, refers to the baseball 437 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,360 offseason period when teams make trades, sign free agents and 438 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,440 discuss the upcoming season. The term originated from 439 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,920 baseball and players gathering around literal hot stoves in the 440 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,960 winter to discuss the sport. Because baseball is not played 441 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,000 in cold months. So OK, that says stove league. 442 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,520 That that last little detail I had completely missed. 443 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,400 I also when they gave us the definition, I kind of skimmed 444 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,840 it. It was one of those things where 445 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840 it's like Vicki tells you and you're like, OK, OK, context. 446 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,800 Cool. Love it. 447 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,760 Yes, I spent way too long being like, all right, when are we 448 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,560 going to play some baseball? Oh man, that's the thing, They 449 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,200 weren't going to play. Baseball exactly because they 450 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,240 was the. Baseball. 451 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,240 It was the stove league. That's what it was, the stove 452 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,360 league. Is the offseason, Yeah, yeah. 453 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,720 They're prepping and changing things around around. 454 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,480 Episode 6 I was like, oh. Never. 455 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,920 They're never going to play some baseball. 456 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,000 Not you getting almost halfway through the show and then being 457 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680 like a weight. We're not going to have any 458 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,840 games. Like they're not going to play 459 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:50,160 baseball. Yep, about halfway through when 460 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,080 I was like, well, maybe half of it is like the the offseason and 461 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,360 half of it they'll like show them succeeding. 462 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,560 No, still no. Raquel, come on. 463 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,160 OK, that's fine. That's fine. 464 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:08,640 Yeah, an absolute fool. I love how you brought up Nam 465 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,440 Kunmin and his sort of stoic portrayal of this general 466 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,520 manager, because that's kind of different to his character in My 467 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,960 Dearest, who's very charismatic and he's got like, I know that 468 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,440 rizz equals charisma, but like, he's got a lot of rizz. 469 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,080 In My Dearest, he doesn't have no rizz in the show at all. 470 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,360 Yeah, you guys are shaking your head. 471 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,080 So I was wondering for a little bit of the show if he had, you 472 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,280 know, if he was on the spectrum or something like that, and that 473 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560 was going to be some sort of reveal later in the show. 474 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:50,280 But they never do talk about his feelings and how his persona is. 475 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,640 Maybe the reason for it is something deeper. 476 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,320 I don't know if that was a flaw of the show or if that was a 477 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,520 positive of the show. Because you have like this 478 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,200 enigma of a man who's just making moves. 479 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,360 You know what I'm saying? I don't know. 480 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,040 Yeah, I love doing that with K drama characters because I do 481 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,720 actually think that comes up a lot where there's someone who's 482 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,200 like emotionally unavailable and sometimes it really is in the 483 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,040 portrayal because I've never seen outside of maybe the 484 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,120 extraordinary attorney Woo, I've never really seen a whole lot. 485 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Oh, and it's OK to not be OK. There's not a bunch of like 486 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,920 identification of if someone's on the spectrum, but there have 487 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,560 been multiple instances where I've just the way a character is 488 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,400 reading, I'm like, there's no way they aren't. 489 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Or if they are, that's very frustrating because I don't 490 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,320 know. It's, it's one of those things 491 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,000 where it's like if you're operating outside of general 492 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,400 social norms and kind of trampling people's feelings, and 493 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,000 it's not that you don't understand the social cues, I 494 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,560 think that just makes you a jerk. 495 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880 It's like if you understand the social cues and you're still 496 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,440 being like, kind of right. But if if you're on the spectrum 497 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,120 and you're just kind of functioning like with the 498 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,680 information that you have, then it's kind of, oh, that makes you 499 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:20,120 like a cool, interesting, diverse character that is not 500 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,200 being a jerk just to be mean. But I also think he was a jerk, 501 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,960 too. Yeah, because he was very astute 502 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,200 and understood why people were upset with him when he didn't. 503 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,640 You know, he kept saying, like towards the end of the show, 504 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,040 like, I'm not that soft. You know, I'm not softening 505 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,600 anything when I give you things to do, when I say my opinion, 506 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,320 when I'm telling you what's going to happen. 507 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,200 I've realized that to inspire trust, I have to tell you why 508 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,080 I'm making these decisions. And I think it's important for 509 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,320 his character's growth as well to see him do these things, 510 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:03,200 change his routine, and it garners trust and rallies all of 511 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,680 these team members around him to support him and his decisions. 512 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,520 That's why I was like on the fence about whether or not 513 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,680 because there was a complete understanding of what he was not 514 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,840 giving these people. That's true. 515 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,600 So maybe he was just kind of a jerk, but it's one of those, 516 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,680 have you ever seen that chart of the United States where it's 517 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480 like this section acts nice and is nice. 518 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,120 This section acts nice is mean. This section he's very like, 519 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,560 acts mean, is nice kind of guy where it's like he's doing the 520 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,200 right thing. At the end of the day, he's just 521 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,840 a huge jerk getting there. Yeah, he has no bedside manner. 522 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,960 Yeah, yeah. And I think my frustration, and 523 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,040 I'll try and keep this as non spoilery as possible, came when 524 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,160 they introduced his back story in the middle of the drama. 525 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,000 And they were like, This is why he's a jerk. 526 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,080 He's been through some stuff. And they just kind of left that 527 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,400 there. They just dropped it on our 528 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,640 doorstep and we're like, we're never going to talk about it 529 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,080 again. I was like, oh, so he's just 530 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,200 mean because he's been through some stuff. 531 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880 That's not OK. I put him on the spectrum and 532 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,040 I'll like him better. That's where I'm at. 533 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,760 Yeah. We could talk about that in 534 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,880 spoiler section, because I totally agree that that was like 535 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,440 a weird thing to do. And then they didn't unpack it 536 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,000 at all. Yeah. 537 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,960 But that's why he's mean, because if you go through a hard 538 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,720 thing, you can just be rude to people, to your life. 539 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Yeah, pack and bin. A very plucky, kind of average, 540 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,520 sort of female lead character in this show. 541 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,680 But she loves baseball. That's how. 542 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,120 Like, her only shtick is that she absolutely adores this team, 543 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,520 has a strong affinity for it, and no amount of money is going 544 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,840 to make her leave to go to another team. 545 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,080 I'm like, OK, OK sis, like calm down. 546 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,560 Look, if I got a call from a rival team and they're trying to 547 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480 scout me, I would at least take the call, OK? 548 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,200 I would at least see a contract before. 549 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,120 I'm like, no, definitely not. I love dreams. 550 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,080 Don't call me lose my number. But Bakun Bin in this is 551 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,680 softening Nam Kun Bin's character Sung Soo, and she just 552 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,080 understands it. Like after a few altercations in 553 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,160 the first few episodes, she is completely on his side and like, 554 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,120 trusts him. She trusts his judgement. 555 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,320 What did you think of Paco and Ben's Seiyong? 556 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,960 Pretty pretty bland for me. They liked her but I don't think 557 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,720 they could have done the show without her. 558 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720 But also I've got no notes on her. 559 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,720 She was just kind of there for me. 560 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,960 I think I kind of agree. I almost feel like she was bland 561 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,920 in the way that people describe the protagonist of a lot of 562 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,000 young adult fantasy novels, where she kind of was the 563 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,440 vehicle with which we were experienced or the lens through 564 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,400 which we were experiencing the show in a lot of ways. 565 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,560 So I almost appreciate the like anchor that she provided to the 566 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,960 show in being very expected, behaving in very expected ways 567 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,840 or very like pure do it for the love of the game kind of way 568 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,800 where it she is anchoring like all of the moving parts of the 569 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,960 politics and everything. And she's like, we're here for 570 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880 dreams and I'm like, we are here for dreams. 571 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,560 Yes, exactly. Aujang says character who is 572 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,240 super, super interesting. What would you like to say about 573 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,840 this man and the menace that he is throughout? 574 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,240 The show I have so many feelings a lot of them I will reserve for 575 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:09,280 the spoiler section because I don't want to rail too hard now 576 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,200 and spoil anything so but what I will say is when I first saw him 577 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600 in the show, when I first because again, I read nothing I 578 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,680 reviewed nothing. I hit play and went into it, and 579 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,600 when I saw him show up, not knowing, you know, what type of 580 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,760 character he was going to play, who he was going to be, all I 581 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,120 could think was, oh, they're. For real. 582 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,520 For real. With this show, like they, they 583 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:38,480 got the actor, yeah. I have to say, when I resolved 584 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,880 to cover the show and also to cover It's OK to not be OK, I 585 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,120 had no clue that Ojeng Sei was in hot stove league. 586 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,000 Obviously knew Ojeng Sei was in It's OK to not Be OK. 587 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,920 I did not know that he was in hot stove league. 588 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,600 So when he popped up, I was like, oh shit, we're doubling up 589 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,320 on Ojeng Sei in this season of tebak. 590 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:10,200 He is really brilliant. He's so hateful in the show and 591 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,040 we can talk more about all his infractions in the spoiler 592 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,680 section. I have to say they put him in 593 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,920 like a he's got kind of like reddish hair, almost like Auburn 594 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,640 ish hair in the show. And then they put him in like a 595 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,560 maroon suit at one point and I was like, are they cosplaying 596 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,760 Joker here or like what is? I don't know why, but it felt 597 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,200 very cartoonish but toned down villain to me. 598 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,640 But they must have only done it like two or three times that he 599 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,920 had this color suit on. It made such an impression on 600 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,080 me. All the suits, every suit. 601 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,960 So much, yeah. Every suit was a lot. 602 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,800 It's giving Korean web comic to me where the villain has like 603 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,920 the same color hair as their eyes and their outfit and 604 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:04,000 everything and you're like, OK. This is real life. 605 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200 Yeah, I agree. Were there any other characters 606 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,360 that you wanted to point out right now? 607 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,560 Maybe a TE Donkyo In this show he plays you Minho, who is one 608 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,440 of the younger pitchers. He has a smile that beams into 609 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,840 your soul. He's potato boy from 610 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:29,880 nevertheless, and I also had no idea that he was in this show. 611 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,560 So when he popped up, I was like, Oh my God, Dan Dong Heelp 612 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,560 is in this because he was the star of love all play, which is 613 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,840 a badminton K drama that we have also covered on the feed. 614 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,760 So I was like, Oh my God, doubling up on sports dramas 615 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,880 with hey Dong heel. What what is this? 616 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,880 What is this? He's precious in this. 617 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,840 And I don't think it's much of A spoiler to say like he had, he 618 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,200 had yips, which I feel like yips, you throw a rock, you hit 619 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,560 somebody who has gone through the yips in the K drama or like 620 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,840 a sports K drama, pervasive issue with athletes. 621 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,600 So yeah, poor kid, but real cute. 622 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,680 Real cute in this. Just such a small supporting 623 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,360 role. Yeah, if that's your deal. 624 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,560 If you like Che Zhong help, then don't miss out. 625 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,280 You know he's in a baseball. Here he's smiling, he's 626 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,120 charming, all of us. He's so cute. 627 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,840 I think you guys wanted to talk about the chemistry. 628 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,360 Yes. Is that spoiler ific or do you 629 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,720 want to talk about it now? I don't think it's spoilery. 630 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640 Yeah. Like Raquel did Google it when 631 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,720 she started watching the show. She's like, is there romance in 632 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:46,320 this drama? So. 633 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,920 It was like the first thing. Won't read the synopsis will 634 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,160 Google. Is there romance in this drama? 635 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,120 OK. Because the chemistry lends 636 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,520 itself in our little monkey brains to this is going to turn 637 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,640 into a romance. This is going. 638 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,280 We found it, the perfect sports meets romance drama as not 639 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,320 charismatic, quote, UN quote, as Big Sunsu is. 640 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,640 He has the riz like he's. It's so quiet. 641 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,920 It's subdued in this drama, but I still think he has it. 642 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,920 Yeah. So we were convinced there's a 643 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000 lot of people with chemistry in this drama. 644 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,640 We were convinced there's going to be some sort of love 645 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,400 storyline. And maybe it's spoilery. 646 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,280 Skip ahead 15 seconds if you don't want to know if there is 647 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,880 one or not. There's not one. 648 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,040 No romance, dry drama, but the chemistry is still there. 649 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,160 Everyone works so well together. These actors just knew each 650 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,320 other and we loved to see it. Yeah, and there's like interest 651 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960 between characters without their ever. 652 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,040 It's very ambiguous, similar to us not definitively knowing if 653 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,400 Sung Tzu is on the spectrum or not. 654 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,800 We also they gave us. Crumbs throughout where they 655 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,560 were like, maybe, perhaps, you know, perhaps these two. 656 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,760 Yeah. But then they said that's not 657 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,200 what this is about. This is about the hot stove 658 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,440 league. Write your fanfics on the web, 659 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,280 OK? Yeah, we're not here to write 660 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,080 them for you. Keep it in your pants. 661 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,800 So the last thing I'll say before we kind of break for 662 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,120 spoilers is that this show, as I said, aired from December 2019 663 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,680 to February 2020. And I think it just got 664 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,000 overshadowed because I don't know if you remember what 665 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,960 happened in December 2019 through February of 2020. 666 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,800 A little show, I don't know if you've heard of it, Crash 667 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,600 Landing on You aired at the exact same time. 668 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,000 So I think Hot Stove League got the short end of the stick here 669 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,840 and was just crushed, just crushed by the Crash landing on 670 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,680 you. And I think that's unfair. 671 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,480 Completely unfair. I had a wonderful, exhilarating 672 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,760 time with Hot Stove League. I don't know if you guys had any 673 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:15,200 thoughts about why it's been so sort of underrated the past few 674 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920 years. I mean you just told me the 675 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,880 reason all. Right. 676 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,560 Because I feel like if you missed that premiere window, 677 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,800 then it's really hard to come back from it. 678 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,320 Yeah, it's definitely about timing. 679 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,560 And like you said, the crash landing on you was a Goliath. 680 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:39,360 There was nothing they could have done other than just know 681 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,800 that they were going up against something. 682 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,840 They couldn't have known what they were going up against as 683 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,880 far as like viewers and stuff goes. 684 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,440 Yeah, Cuz yeah, I had not heard of it before. 685 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,080 You said like, hey, should we watch hot stove league? 686 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,040 And I was like, sure, absolutely will not read about it. 687 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,920 Can't wait. I have not heard anything. 688 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,960 Yeah. And so, yeah, I that is kind of 689 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,840 the only thing I can think that would have kept it out of at 690 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,000 least mentions and reels and clips and stuff, is that, yeah, 691 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,000 people were sleeping on it. They were. 692 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,480 They were busy watching the romance between a North Korean 693 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,240 and a South Korean. Yeah, that's all I'll say. 694 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,600 There is a big old episode on Crash Landing on you from season 695 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,680 1 if you guys want to listen back to it. 696 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:40,080 That is with Rico, my OG Co host and yeah, Chloe Biggin. 697 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,320 It's a Biggin. And I feel horrible for hot. 698 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,720 So bleak. I feel horrible that I haven't 699 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:49,560 watched it because this is this has me written all over it. 700 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,200 Like evidently this was made for me. 701 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,800 I'm a huge fan of Moneyball. It's like one of my favorite 702 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,000 sports movies ever and that is about rebuilding A-Team. 703 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,160 It is about the modern era of baseball and statistics and 704 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,840 building a team is because of this era of moneyball. 705 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,520 Highly recommend Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill, I. 706 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,400 Think my boyfriend was watching it just the other day and I was 707 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,480 like OK well I'll go up and watch some K. 708 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,480 Drones watching it, it's so good. 709 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,560 It's so. I love Moneyball, so as soon as 710 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:30,640 I realized I was like, yes, let's get to our ratings and 711 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,200 then we'll break for spoilers. I don't know who wants to go 712 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,600 first, but how many Soulju bottles would you give Hot Stove 713 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,480 League can? We do half. 714 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,440 Points. Yeah. 715 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,720 Yeah, you can. Give half points. 716 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,480 Yeah. I'm at 3.5. 717 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,400 I'm at 3.5. We didn't have to talk about it. 718 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,680 It's where we're. At we're up there, all right, 719 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,400 3.5. I'm going to give it a four, 720 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,200 maybe even 4 1/2 because I had some a great time with it. 721 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,960 It was so, so much fun. It didn't lag too much for me, 722 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,280 but again, I was watching it at 1.5 speed. 723 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,600 That's not what they intended for us to do. 724 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,320 So I'm going to go with four. I'll stick with four out of 725 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,480 five. Hold you bottles. 726 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,360 And with that, we're going to break for spoilers right now. 727 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,960 Excuse me? I can't, you know I am. 728 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:34,160 I'm sorry, what? All right, we're on the other 729 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,200 side of spoilers. We're going to spoil Hot Stove 730 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,440 League, so if you care to be spoiled, please stop now and 731 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,640 return later after you've watched the show. 732 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,360 If you don't care, then welcome. We're going to talk about the 733 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,920 chemistry between characters and who were we rooting to be 734 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,400 together? Who Who are the ships in this 735 00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,120 show? Top Obviously big Sung SU, Lisa 736 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,160 Young. Yeah. 737 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,760 They were just so good together. She believed in it from the 738 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,280 start. It was instant chem. 739 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,200 But there was also that little tiny question mark on Lisa Young 740 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,440 and her subordinate. Her. 741 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,640 The chairman's grandson. Yeah, he where it's like, I 742 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,160 don't know, they've got that. Maybe a little too bickery, but 743 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,480 could be sort of enemies to lovers, a relationship. 744 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,760 I don't know, It's just there. That one was the one that was 745 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,560 hinted at the most, that he had feelings for her, 'cause I think 746 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,840 even at one point he said something like I'm here for love 747 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,280 and work or something. I take both very seriously. 748 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,800 When he followed them to America to do recruiting, at which point 749 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,800 I was kind of like, oh, I did not see this coming. 750 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,680 You guys were very sibling coded until this moment. 751 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,280 And now I kind of I'm kind of feeling it all of a sudden. 752 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,400 Oh. I see, I see. 753 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,800 Yeah, I wasn't shipping nobody, and I guess that's just me. 754 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,400 Like reading the show, I guess really surface level because I 755 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,760 wasn't shipping anybody. I didn't want Pakumvin's 756 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,360 character Seiyoung to be with Jehi, who's her subordinate, and 757 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,280 I didn't want her to be with Sung SU, her boss. 758 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,680 I was like, no, she's by herself, fine. 759 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,680 Everyone's just by themselves is fine. 760 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,960 So I don't know. I just took a very simplistic. 761 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,200 Of a normal person, yeah. Yeah, one of my, I guess, like 762 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,480 my problematic favorite trope. The trope I acknowledge is 763 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,320 problematic, but I love the storyline of is office romances 764 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,560 because in real life I'm like, stay away from them. 765 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:55,880 That's messy you gross, but in pretend K drama land where it's 766 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,720 not real people suffering consequences of power dynamics, 767 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480 I'm like let's go fall in love. Oh. 768 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,280 My God, see, I'm like the opposite. 769 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,360 Because as soon as you throw in an office romance, I'm like, 770 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,560 Jack, please, I don't like it. I don't like office romances. 771 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,760 I have a dark history with shipping characters because I've 772 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,800 just been burned so I don't do it anymore largely. 773 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,640 Fair. I'm going to switch gears 774 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,520 because you one of you brought up the trip to America. 775 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,600 I have so many notes on this because I was like, what the 776 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,840 hell is going on here? First of all, this is like an 777 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,120 episode 4 early episode. They have this business trip to 778 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,400 the United States to scout and sign a replacement for in 779 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,400 pitcher. They fly first class, it's a 780 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,280 first class flight to America and they land what I think is 781 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,600 they land in LAX even though they don't show LAX. 782 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,920 So they're in California is what my assumption is because that's 783 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,080 the license plate on the Ford pickup that picks them up. 784 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,000 It's a California plate. Then they're driving down the 785 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,640 road. It's the PCH. 786 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,720 Like I'm not crazy. It's the PCH. 787 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,800 They're going South on the PCH since the Pacific Ocean is on 788 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,600 their right hand side. So I'm like, OK, if they flew an 789 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,160 international flight and they landed in LAX, now they're on 790 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,800 the PC. This is several hours, right? 791 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,800 I'm like, is this the same day like that? 792 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,080 It takes several hours just to get to where they're at, and 793 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,560 they're going South on the PCH and it's unclear to me where 794 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,120 they get dropped off because now their scout, the person they're 795 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,520 scouting, is in some urban area. Yeah. 796 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960 So I'm like, did they go to San Diego? 797 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,360 Like, are they in Baja California? 798 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,800 Like I had all these questions. There were just multiple times 799 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,520 where I was like, I listen, I've never been to Hawaii. 800 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,040 I don't know that this is the case. 801 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,440 But every time they were like around the palm trees in the 802 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,440 urban area, I was like, that doesn't really look like 803 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,360 California. Wait, but it does look like 804 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,920 Hawaii. I'm getting there, so just 805 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,680 follow me, follow me. So then they stay overnight at 806 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,960 this ratty motel. Like ratty what? 807 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,840 I was like, what is this? Is this the same K drama? 808 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,280 So then I was like, are they in the boonies? 809 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,360 Like where are they that this guy that they're scouting is at? 810 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,840 They should have flown business. They really should have like put 811 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,920 some of. This like they flew like so high 812 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,520 class and then they're staying at this motel. 813 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,960 It didn't fit. It didn't fit. 814 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,240 The interior shots of the motel that they're staying at 815 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,440 comically, in no way, shape or form match up to the exterior of 816 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,160 the motel. I was like, there's no way that 817 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,080 this is the same motel. Then cut to the next morning, 818 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:05,360 they eat breakfast outside at a Denny's on Kappa Hulu Ave. 819 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,680 Oh, you spotted it. You scoped. 820 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,320 It I was like, where the hell is this? 821 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,440 This is in Hawaii. Let's go. 822 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,880 I've never been, but I know how to identify it visually. 823 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,800 This is in Hawaii, OK, clearly. And I looked at the location 824 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,920 like Denny's on Kapahulu Avenue. I was like, this is it? 825 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,640 This is the Denny's. So I was like, where the what 826 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,720 the fuck is going on here? So bad? 827 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,280 I was so impressed. There's another exterior shot in 828 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,040 this episode. They're at a restaurant, Blue 829 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,440 Point Coastal Cuisine on 5th Ave. 830 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:52,400 This place is in San Diego, CA. It is now permanently closed. 831 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,240 I was like OK so it must have closed during the pandemic 832 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,720 because they filmed this obviously before the pandemic. 833 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,600 I'm not even done. Then they eat ramen at Robert's 834 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,840 house. He's the guy that they end up 835 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600 signing, the pitcher that they end up signing. 836 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,960 Robert's house is in no way, shape or form an American house. 837 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,440 Yeah, it looks like the shelves, like with the open door. 838 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,800 That looked very East Asian architecture to me. 839 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,720 It looked like every other Korean house interior and then I 840 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:32,720 was mad because the only thing that differentiated it was the 841 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:38,320 Route 66 metal wall decor that they put in the dining room. 842 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,040 That looks so ridiculous. I couldn't believe that they 843 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,480 thought that would suffice. They were like America. 844 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,720 Literally, literally, they were like, get some American decor 845 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,480 just like whatever, and they got a Route 66 sign. 846 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,080 I was like, I am offended on behalf of my whole culture. 847 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,480 Then this is the last thing I have about this episode. 848 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,120 They run out of gas at the end of the episode and they're in 849 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,480 like this valley, That's the fucking Jurassic Park Valley. 850 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,880 Yes 100% it is. The only thing I remember though 851 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,320 about that scene is that they're driving on a road and I know 852 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,720 they did this for some kind of symbolism where they put a dead 853 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:21,160 end sign. Dead end sign. 854 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,720 On a road that stretches for miles in both direct like the 855 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,760 dead end, they're actually going like they run off in the 856 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,920 direction of the gas station they start. 857 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,160 Running at full speed. Away from away from their truck, 858 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,080 but like in the direction the truck was going. 859 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,720 Towards the dead end. Toward the dead end, or they 860 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:49,200 were coming from the dead end, at which point it's like, wow, 861 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,320 what? It made no sense. 862 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,320 And then so this, this valley is the where they film Jurassic 863 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,800 Park. It's, oh, I'm going to butcher 864 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,400 this Kahawa Valley, which is one of the most iconic locations at 865 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,880 Kualoa Ranch, located in the eastern part of Oahu, Hawaii. 866 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:16,280 So I had all these questions. I was pausing the show to figure 867 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,520 out where they were because I was angry that they were 868 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,200 location hopping. Yeah, to an embarrassing degree. 869 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,080 Where it didn't have to happen. You could have just said, let's 870 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,720 say that the baseball player is training in Hawaii and then will 871 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,320 go to Hawaii and then there's a million different things they 872 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,160 really could have done there. Instead of saying we're going to 873 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:47,200 say it's California, we're going to go from LAX to a place in 874 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,360 Hawaii using a clip from someone else driving on the Pacific 875 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,000 Coast Highway. Like insane. 876 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,080 I'm like, so in my feelings right now because I grew up in 877 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,640 Southern California. I clocked none of this. 878 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,720 We had such a different experience. 879 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,480 I was like, Yep, looks like California to me. 880 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,000 That's where I grew up. That's my home. 881 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,520 All of it looks good. We're all above board here. 882 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,320 I'm having a good time. I just love how they had the 883 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,640 Denny's. I was like, Denny's in Hawaii. 884 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,320 You could have done Denny's in San Diego and nobody would have 885 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,920 been the wiser. But why Denny's in Hawaii? 886 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,040 I I was. Because I knew I wouldn't clock 887 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,560 it. I am the target audience, the 888 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,000 dumbest person alive. You're supposed to sit there and 889 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,080 not clock any of this. Anyways, sorry I took us on like 890 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,560 a wild like chase. I thought it was. 891 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,720 I am also obsessed with it. I also feel like. 892 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,360 Do you have a career in like set QA for K dramas? 893 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,440 No, but I should. You should. 894 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,360 They should hire me. Send them this clip. 895 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,600 Send someone this clip. Because this is embarrassing. 896 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,840 If you want to have a market in the international sphere, don't 897 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,720 do this shit, OK? Please make it believable. 898 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:19,240 Just try at the very least. Have someone look at it and just 899 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,800 like take a quick review to say like, does this look like Hawaii 900 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,160 or California? OK, so switching gears, I think 901 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,400 you guys wanted to talk more about Ho Jung Sei's foul foul 902 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,120 company man who just keeps sabotaging the team. 903 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:44,560 Yeah, throughout the series I. So The thing is, is that he's 904 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,120 such an incredible actor. Like I said, when I saw he was 905 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,960 in it, I was like, oh, this is a like, we're for, we're doing 906 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,680 this, we're going hard, This is serious. 907 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,640 And it's going to be a work of art because he's in this. 908 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,920 Yeah. And then as time went on, I 909 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:05,240 just. So sometimes I think that the 910 00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:09,120 best villains are the ones where there's kind of a Gray area 911 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,840 under which they are functioning or, you know, they're not the 912 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,000 good guy, but they make some compelling points. 913 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,600 Or if none of those things, then they've got to be the bad guy, 914 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,080 right? Like they've got to be like, 915 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,800 there's no one up above them making them do this. 916 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,960 There's no one. They are just committed to what 917 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,000 they believe and it's bad. It's all bad. 918 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,440 But he was kind of none of those things. 919 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,520 And I found him to be a very, I, I could not connect with him as 920 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,520 a villain because every time they tried to give his kind of 921 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,040 pitiable back story of like, well, his dad is poor because he 922 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,080 cares so much about the people around him and gives them all of 923 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,920 his money. And he had to go to the military 924 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,760 like every other non tribal, non like. 925 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,360 He's not. A true son of the conglomerate 926 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,000 Because he's not a draft Dodger. Yeah, right. 927 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,680 Exactly where I was. Just like, Oh no. 928 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,120 Let me play you the tiniest violence. 929 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,560 The whole time, every time they were like, look at how sad he is 930 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,960 because his younger cousin is a jerk to him. 931 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,360 And I was just like, I don't care, quit your job. 932 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,040 But he had to ask for money to go to school from his rich 933 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,720 uncle. Isn't that sad? 934 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,320 He had to beg for his tuition fees. 935 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,480 Not me out to pay back. Yeah, not me out here still 936 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,920 paying back my student loans 10 years later. 937 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,640 And he's like, my rich uncle paid for my school. 938 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,000 And what shame that carries for me. 939 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,920 I'm just like, I don't care, man. 940 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,040 Like I don't care. But I do feel like his arc was 941 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,160 good by the end. It was very believable that he 942 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,000 has this turn around, becomes a human and starts feeling 943 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,600 feelings again. I I don't know, I like the kind 944 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,720 of redemption of his character. It just took 15 episodes for 945 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,040 them to do anything with it, it was so long. 946 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,960 Yeah. It took a minute for him to kind 947 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:26,920 of gain a conscience because he knew what was right and wrong. 948 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,560 He knew he was agitating people throughout the show. 949 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:37,000 He knew that he was acting on these feelings of feeling 950 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,440 inferior, right. He always had this inferiority 951 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:49,720 complex, and I mean flouting his status in front of Nam Kumin's 952 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,440 character. He didn't like being 953 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,520 disrespected. He hated the general manager, He 954 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,360 hated that the general manager was good at his job. 955 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,400 He hated that the general manager didn't take direction, 956 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:08,640 didn't take orders, and he hated that he was lesser in his own 957 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,040 house, like in his own family. At one point he says it's much 958 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,160 easier to crush those below you than to fight those above you. 959 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,480 And that's in episode 11. And that's like his whole 960 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,080 philosophy throughout the show is that he's like, well, if I 961 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:28,440 can't have what I want in a professional sense, it within my 962 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,360 own freaking family conglomerate, then I'm going to 963 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,720 like bitch and moan and stomp on people below me in this ball 964 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,640 club that my father loved. Yeah. 965 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:46,440 That I had a wonderful childhood and grew up around just because. 966 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,680 Yeah. Like it's so petulant. 967 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,280 It was so petulant and it was it made him so hard to understand 968 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,080 in the sense that it was like, sorry, did you get an immense 969 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,440 outpouring of affection from the people that you are now 970 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,680 committing You're you became a corporate shill for or like 971 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,480 because like his family isn't good to him. 972 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,680 His parents seem to want to have some kind of connection with 973 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:13,480 him. I don't know. 974 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,720 There was just like, so many moments where it was just like, 975 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,040 I can't even feel like this is entirely believable because he 976 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,400 has every reason to want the club to succeed. 977 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:30,400 And he's still like, no, I need to impress my rich uncle. 978 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,160 And it's just, it's a lot. And yeah, his redemption was 979 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:41,040 kind of, there was only kind of 1 moment of it that really sold 980 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,800 it for me. And it was when he was speaking 981 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,760 with the kind of sleazy scouting, not team lead, but the 982 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,760 like Co lead or whatever of the scouting team after he was 983 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,160 trying to get him to commit all the different infractions within 984 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,840 the company or within the baseball club. 985 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,960 And then the kind of the very end, he says, can I just go back 986 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,400 to doing my old job? He being the the scouting 987 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,960 assistant Wade, he says, can I go back to doing my old job? 988 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,600 I would like to do real work and not sabotage people anymore. 989 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,360 And that was kind of the moment where you could see there was 990 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,360 like a a little mechanism turning in his head. 991 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,560 And that was kind of the only moment that that really sold the 992 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,120 he finally had a reason to change because all of the other 993 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,400 reasons had always been there. And he was kind of a brat about 994 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,360 those two. They didn't seem very compelling 995 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,480 for him to change. But it was just interesting that 996 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,880 that there was like that one moment where he was like, oh, I 997 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,880 could be a normal person about this. 998 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,360 This was after this guy also saved his keepsake which was the 999 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,720 signed baseball. Yes, I forgot about that. 1000 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,960 Yeah, he like pulled it out of the trash and gave it back to 1001 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,160 him. Yeah, it's like 6 episodes 1002 01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,360 before that that he was visiting the baseball stadium and an 1003 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,400 older groundskeeper or something was like, hey, you're that kid 1004 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,720 that used to come here. Your dad was the best guy I've 1005 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,600 ever worked for in my entire life. 1006 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,960 And you think, you think in that moment that Kwan Keung Min is 1007 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,680 going to change a little bit, that he's going to be like, Oh 1008 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,400 yeah, my dad isn't just a poor piece of shit, he's a nice 1009 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,000 person. Despite what my uncle has been 1010 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,240 telling me, brainwashing me with for the past 20 years since he 1011 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,200 got my dad to quit. My dad was a good person and I 1012 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,760 should be a good person. Nope, no change for like the 1013 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,840 next 6 episodes. He's like, I'm going to keep 1014 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,000 being shit. Yeah, I totally understand where 1015 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,040 he's coming from though, because in the culture, well, first of 1016 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,080 all, this is a conglomerate family and he is money hungry 1017 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,160 the whole show. Like he is constantly putting 1018 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,440 people down and equating things to money if they they're not 1019 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,440 valuable because they're worth less money and yadda, yadda, 1020 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,960 yadda. He's constantly talking about 1021 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,960 money. And that's what that's all fine 1022 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,120 and good. You add on to that. 1023 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,800 His father's poor. His father is righteous but 1024 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,440 poor, not very educated, was not good as a businessman, and that 1025 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,560 equals unsuccessful and embarrassing in the Korean 1026 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,080 culture. Not to mention the uncle is a 1027 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:25,960 successful conglomerate owner. So to to this guy, to O Jiang 1028 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,640 Sei's character, he's like, yeah, I don't want nothing to do 1029 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,520 with my dad because my dad is an embarrassment. 1030 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,280 So it makes no difference that the dad had a wonderful heart 1031 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:42,320 for people and he's well loved in the community or that he was 1032 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,560 well respected by these peasants. 1033 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,680 Like they don't matter. Like, you know what I'm saying? 1034 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,240 Like it it made no difference to him. 1035 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,960 So I totally understand where he was coming from. 1036 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,640 To me, the disconnect happened when he at the beginning of the 1037 01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,960 show, he sets up. I want you to create a 1038 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,240 championship team. I brought you in specifically 1039 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,040 because I loved your resume. You created a championship team 1040 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:11,360 multiple times, and then the owners were able to disband and 1041 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,600 sell the team. You increased the value of the 1042 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,720 team. Yeah. 1043 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,760 So I'm like, OK, me and my business mind, I'm like, 1044 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,120 perfect. I understand exactly where he's 1045 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,480 coming from. He wants to increase the value 1046 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,160 of the team, make it attractive for when he goes to sell it in a 1047 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,040 year after the next season. Got it. 1048 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,560 Except he kept fucking sabotaging every single thing 1049 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,720 that would lead to a stronger team, a stronger season. 1050 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,080 So that was when I was like, I don't understand if he was his 1051 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,800 own worst enemy. Yes, 100%. 1052 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,920 I was the same where I was like, what does he do? 1053 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,440 Like what? What do you mean you don't want 1054 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,480 him to make them champions? And then kind of near the end, 1055 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,400 they started doing a lot of him and his uncle and everyone were 1056 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,400 like, there's no point in selling it. 1057 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,760 And I was like, that also doesn't seem very business 1058 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,280 minded in the sense that like obviously they also were like, 1059 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,840 he's been trying for years and he hasn't been able to do it. 1060 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,280 But that was, like you said, way later in the show. 1061 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,840 Revealed that he had. Tried for many years to sell 1062 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,680 this team and nobody in the region wanted to sell it. 1063 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,480 It's worth noting this is not a team out of Seoul. 1064 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:31,320 This is not a capital team. This is out of Tongjin City and 1065 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,640 Dongjin City. I looked it up is apparently the 1066 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,960 AI overview says it's most likely refers to Chong Dongjin, 1067 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,640 a town near Kongnun, South Korea, most famous for its 1068 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,800 sunrise views in the train station practically on the 1069 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,160 beach. I looked up where that is. 1070 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,840 It is clear on the other side of South Korea. 1071 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,160 So it's on the East Coast of South Korea and that does track 1072 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,120 with what they say about this team. 1073 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,960 It is like a provincial baseball team. 1074 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:06,960 They already have like three sets of ball clubs out of Seoul. 1075 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,760 The rest of the ball clubs are out of these different provinces 1076 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,440 and different regions in South Korea. 1077 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,080 And this region, they had a strategic interest in putting a 1078 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,120 ballclub there all those years ago because of their business. 1079 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,400 They were a consumer first facing business. 1080 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,200 And so they were like, perfect, let's create a ballclub and 1081 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,240 create all this buzz and good feelings towards our chaise on 1082 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,800 conglomerate with this ballclub, the dreams. 1083 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,840 And so now that they're stuck in this podunk region, they're 1084 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,440 like, Oh, no one wants to buy a ballclub on the East Coast, that 1085 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,720 all that we have is a nice sunset and like, loyal fans. 1086 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,360 Yeah, and our ball club is dog shit. 1087 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,880 And our ball club is dog shit. So I can understand like why, 1088 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,240 but again, that wasn't a thing. A through line that they had set 1089 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,000 up that he was like trying to sell it and was unsuccessful. 1090 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,320 It was like on on the last couple of episodes he was like, 1091 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,480 good luck selling it because I've tried and no one wants to 1092 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,240 take the ball club. Yeah. 1093 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,120 So it's like, yeah. Which it if they made it a 1094 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,640 through line and that would have explained so much about the 1095 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,120 desperate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1096 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,080 But because they didn't, it was just kind of like a what do you 1097 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,920 mean you don't want to make it more valuable? 1098 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,000 This is so weird that you're trying to stop him from doing 1099 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,120 everything that you wanted. There was 1 episode where they 1100 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,920 cut the budget by 30% and that wreaked havoc on the 1101 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,840 negotiations with the players. And I think when we wanted to 1102 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,480 talk about paying these players minimum wage and stuff like 1103 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,960 that, like it was wild. They were doing wild things in 1104 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,880 the show. Insane things like criminal 1105 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,160 things. I feel so passionately. 1106 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,280 I just have. I've had the conversation with 1107 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,800 my boyfriend recently because he's a huge hockey fan. 1108 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,600 Our team is the Colorado Avalanche and we watch a lot of 1109 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,560 Colorado Avalanche games, but a recent this ties in a lot to 1110 01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,160 what's happening in hot stove league. 1111 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,479 A recent thing that came up was that a long time player ended up 1112 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,319 being traded because he wanted a higher salary. 1113 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,680 It wasn't really in the cards for them. 1114 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,160 They're kind of strategically like doing stuff with their 1115 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,080 salary. It was a huge bummer for the 1116 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,279 team because he was a probably not fully a franchise player, 1117 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,319 but very like Dong Yu type. People knew his name. 1118 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:41,439 He was one of their starters. And so it was a huge bummer. 1119 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,720 But he also, my boyfriend was telling me like back maybe a 1120 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:51,000 year or two before the Colorado Avalanche won the Stanley Cup, 1121 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,240 their actual franchise player that everybody loves took a 1122 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,319 smaller salary. So a higher salary could be 1123 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:02,279 allocated to recruiting high value teammates. 1124 01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,960 And that was very, I kept thinking about that during the 1125 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,240 salary negotiation episodes because there was elements of 1126 01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,800 that, that there's like a purity in that like do it for the game, 1127 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,680 do it for the team. And I really loved that. 1128 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,160 And then I saw how little these people were being paid and I was 1129 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,760 like, oh, no, I think sports players should get paid a lot 1130 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,399 less than they do. I don't think that they should 1131 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:33,479 be paid like $5.00 an hour. I think that's really bad. 1132 01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,600 Yes. So they came up with some sort 1133 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,439 of algorithm to figure out their worth based on their performance 1134 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,240 from the previous couple of seasons. 1135 01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:50,640 And I think the worst one was the relief pitcher who was going 1136 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,040 to retire. He's an older pitcher and they 1137 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,560 were going to give him like the equivalent of $42,000 for the 1138 01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,480 season. It was like crazy talk. 1139 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:03,840 It was wild. He was like, you know what, They 1140 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,160 want me out. I see the writing on the wall. 1141 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,080 They they don't want me here. They I'm going to retire. 1142 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:15,040 And it's really disheartening to see how and, and you know, Nanku 1143 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,440 Min's character says this as well. 1144 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:20,600 He's like, I didn't like how I had to play dirty to get all 1145 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,800 this shit done and get this budget approved. 1146 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,600 Shortchange all of these passionate players who deserve 1147 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:32,320 way more just because you arbitrarily talking to Ucheng's 1148 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,240 character. You arbitrarily wanted to drop 1149 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:39,520 the budget by 30%, which is a outrageous #30%. 1150 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,600 Insane. No, no. 1151 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:46,400 So there's no way that he could have run the ball club based on 1152 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,640 a 30% deficit in the budget. I mean, the fact that they even 1153 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,560 tried, I was like, this show is nuts. 1154 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,200 Like, yeah. Yeah, I think Human Ho or at 1155 01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:02,400 least some of the newer players were signing for like $23,000 a 1156 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,480 year. Yeah, they were getting nothing. 1157 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,320 Nothing. I don't know what cost of living 1158 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,800 in dungeon is, but it cannot be. It can't. 1159 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:17,680 It cannot be meeting any cost of living that I am aware of. 1160 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,080 That's insanity. And he smiled at the end when 1161 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:26,800 they upped it from like $23,000 per year to $27,000 per year. 1162 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,720 And I was like, babe, no. Don't. 1163 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,960 Don't let them do this. Yeah, it looked like me getting 1164 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,880 my first salary job when I was younger and it was like not good 1165 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,240 pay, but I would brag about it because I didn't know about 1166 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,840 salaried and like how that. It's absolutely true. 1167 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:48,160 Yeah, God, painful. But yeah, those salary 1168 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:53,480 negotiations were painful. And the the conversations I 1169 01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:57,120 would say that happened between Old Chung SE and Nam Gumen are 1170 01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:02,480 really interesting and powerful because these two guys are 1171 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:04,640 disrespecting each other. You can see how Old Chung say 1172 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,800 even the way he speaks is disrespecting. 1173 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,040 And he's not talking in the elevated speak. 1174 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,000 He's not ending his sentences with like, you're the polite 1175 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,120 you're. He is calling him punk. 1176 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,320 He's saying like, yeah, like, hey, you. 1177 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,360 He's very disrespectful even. He's talking down to him 1178 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,640 constantly. And I had this conversation in 1179 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,680 episode 10 that I wanted to go over before we kind of back it 1180 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,400 up and talk about a couple more things before we get out of 1181 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,360 here. And it's this tent bar 1182 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,480 conversation that he has with him. 1183 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,160 Do you remember this conversation? 1184 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,800 I don't have it all because it's really long, but Nangu Min says 1185 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,200 to decide what is important and what is not. 1186 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,960 Is money the only standard of measurement for you? 1187 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:57,000 And oh, Jiang says yeah, hey, why are you so rude anyway? 1188 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,400 Why don't you ever listen, you punk? 1189 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,480 And then he says back, If I do listen, does the way you people 1190 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:09,040 treat me change all of these? Like they're constantly 1191 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,200 challenging each other, Nungumin says. 1192 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,560 If I listen well, you keep telling me to do things that are 1193 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,320 unjust in order to keep your hands clean. 1194 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,680 He's like, you're a hypocrite. He says. 1195 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,800 Any organization that is even a little bit proper, even if 1196 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,400 someone doesn't listen, as long as they do a good job, they 1197 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,880 leave that person alone. He's saying you're an asshole. 1198 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,560 You're even, you're messing with innocent people, even if they're 1199 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,480 doing what you want them to. These are humans. 1200 01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,160 They're people, yeah. All Jiang says, says This is why 1201 01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,520 all you will ever be is a general manager at the main 1202 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,640 headquarters. I'm managing director and 1203 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,480 running hotels, EU punk. So again, throwing his status, 1204 01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:54,400 his weight around, he's like, I've managed multimillion dollar 1205 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,080 companies and you're just, you know, managing a ball club. 1206 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,280 It doesn't even matter. So he again, he's such a 1207 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,400 freaking elitist, Nam Guman says. 1208 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:09,360 So do you know any baseball? Which is in itself and 1209 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:14,560 condescending question because he's been running the ball club 1210 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,160 behind the scenes. He's been acting as the proxy 1211 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,200 for his uncle, as the owner of the ball club. 1212 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,160 So he says, yeah, I ran the ball club for years. 1213 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,640 How can I not know baseball? You were a general manager of a 1214 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,760 handball team until last year. How dare you? 1215 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:37,440 So Nan Kunmen quotes Barry Swiser and says some people are 1216 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,400 born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a 1217 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:46,400 000. So good mic drop moment. 1218 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,360 And then he says, well, I guess this isn't necessary, but seeing 1219 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,160 you be so prideful, it's embarrassing for me to see. 1220 01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,680 He said. You're embarrassing thinking 1221 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,640 that you actually earned all of this shit, that you have your 1222 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,440 position, and that you're actually good. 1223 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,680 So proud of him for this. He said you're embarrassing. 1224 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,920 I loved it. I. 1225 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,680 Loved it. Felt so. 1226 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,920 That was like the moment that was practically a PowerPoint 1227 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:28,760 presentation for me. Yes, I loved how they were 1228 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,720 battling each and every one of the setbacks that they had that 1229 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,800 whether it was Ultron, say, or some other thing that was going 1230 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,480 on. Did you guys have a favorite 1231 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,560 like episode or problem that they had to solve throughout the 1232 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,600 show? Yeah, I was pretty obsessed with 1233 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:52,160 the Robert Gill arc. Like besides the fact that the 1234 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:57,240 location would switch between California, Korea and Hawaii 1235 01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:03,000 every 30 seconds, the arc in and of itself I thought was really, 1236 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,880 really good in that it was twist after twist after twist. 1237 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,760 And they were able to subvert expectations constantly while 1238 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,080 keeping you interested and keeping that underdog theme that 1239 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,120 the show was built on of like, we're trying to get Miles. 1240 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,960 We want to sign him, but we keep meeting hurdle after hurdle and 1241 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,400 it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. 1242 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,200 And then right when they're at the finish line, they're like, 1243 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,080 no, can't get him. And you think that's the end of 1244 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,240 it. And then there's this turn 1245 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,640 around where suddenly there's a new pitcher in the game and he's 1246 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,640 been there the whole time. He's their guy, he's their 1247 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,640 friend Robert Gill. And not only is he a killer 1248 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,840 pitcher, he's he can be the foreign player because of all 1249 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,800 these weird laws, and there's still problems with that because 1250 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,600 he's a traitor to his own country. 1251 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,320 But like. He is a draft Dodger and he's. 1252 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,080 Not a tribal, and that sucks, but for a good reason. 1253 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,560 He was saving a life and it's like all of it is just. 1254 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:13,840 I liked the intrigue, I liked the twists and that in part, 1255 01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,960 although Nan Kun Min Big Sung Soo says he's not a humanist, 1256 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,280 there is that feeling throughout this arc that he is a humanist 1257 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,680 and that he does it obviously because Robert Gill is a killer 1258 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,320 pitcher, but also because he's a good person and he's like, I 1259 01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,240 want to work with you. I want to work with someone who 1260 01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,600 cares about baseball almost more than anything, but not more than 1261 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,800 anything, because family is the most important. 1262 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,640 Yeah. How big song, Sue? 1263 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,040 I knew you would say that. You're a big softy. 1264 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,760 Yeah, softy teddy bear. Something that he says during 1265 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,360 the press conference also kind of Harkins back to like, yeah, 1266 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,880 the the draft dodging. I love that he calls it out 1267 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,280 during the press conference where it was like, I don't know, 1268 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,280 like looks one of the journalists in the eyes. 1269 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,240 And he's like, it's almost like if a the son of an owner of a 1270 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:10,080 journalism company like didn't do their term in the army as 1271 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,040 well, which makes. Me think that specific 1272 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,840 journalist, yes, some draft dodging or something, has been a 1273 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,880 draft Dodger, yeah, because he looked down embarrassed. 1274 01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:23,360 Yes, which I loved. And then I loved that that was, 1275 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,120 I mean, he just stands on business and I literally love 1276 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,160 that. Yeah, yeah. 1277 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,600 Speaking of standing on business, let's talk about the 1278 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,920 brother that was in a wheelchair. 1279 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,520 Oh yes, he was a great character. 1280 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,760 No, you go ahead. No, he was a great character. 1281 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:46,320 He applies for the sabermetrics job, which is basically some 1282 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,560 sort of analytics job on the team. 1283 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,400 I think this whole episode is for us westerners. 1284 01:18:55,400 --> 01:19:00,640 It might be considered rage bait, but it it's tough to get 1285 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,760 through because the analytics team leader who ends up being 1286 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,120 like a really nice guy like by the end of the show, but this 1287 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,520 guy is set in his ways. He's he's a traditionalist. 1288 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:18,120 He doesn't think that a person who has never played baseball 1289 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,240 should be on this analytics team. 1290 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,520 He thinks that you need that experience, he says during the 1291 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,920 interview process for the brother who has been paralyzed 1292 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,400 and is in a wheelchair. Well, you'll know once you've 1293 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,160 played baseball. Behind the numbers, there are 1294 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,640 many different reasons in baseball, period. 1295 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,120 And I was like, stop right there, stop right there. 1296 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:47,760 It is such a condescending and ableist way to say how and when 1297 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,160 to use analytics correctly. Even if the tone that he set it 1298 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:56,200 in was really even like he wasn't, he didn't say it with 1299 01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,720 any sort of attitude or obvious malice. 1300 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,680 I was like, this is so brilliant because as an audience member, 1301 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,760 you're and I think the Korean audience as well. 1302 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,600 They want you to sympathize with the person in the wheelchair, 1303 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:12,640 right? With the brother. 1304 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,280 They want you to think like Puck and Bin's character is thinking. 1305 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,360 They want you to think like her, which you shouldn't say that 1306 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:25,000 that's wrong, That's offensive. But the Korean populist probably 1307 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,440 thinks the way that he does. Right, man, I didn't. 1308 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:32,960 Yeah, because like you said, it is very like rage baity 1309 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,040 specifically for Westerners that are like you can't. 1310 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,240 That's illegal. Yeah, this is. 1311 01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,240 Very illegal. This is very, like you said, 1312 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,560 ableist. This is so frustrating that he 1313 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,840 is able to speak this way in an interview and not immediately go 1314 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,800 to jail. Or get a suit later on, get a 1315 01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,480 letter in the mail. Yeah, yeah. 1316 01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:58,680 Yeah, yeah, it keeps going. That interview is kind of 1317 01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,880 painful. And that guy is so provocative, 1318 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,720 like offensive and unprofessional and provocative 1319 01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:11,760 because he doesn't feel period, that this position that they're 1320 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,360 hiring for that they should even hire for a position in in 1321 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,360 sabermetrics or whatever the term is. 1322 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,840 And so he's taking it out on this guy who's in a wheelchair 1323 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,160 and he's assuming he's never played baseball. 1324 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,440 Yes, an extra layer of frustration, right? 1325 01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:32,920 They're making these just really wild, rampant assumptions that 1326 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:37,360 he has never touched a baseball bat, that he have no clue how he 1327 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,560 ended up in a wheelchair. Right, right. 1328 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,840 But also they're like, yeah, it's so condescending. 1329 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,960 It's so frustrating. Yeah, yeah. 1330 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,760 But you get some flashbacks during this time where you see 1331 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,200 beforehand what what transpired beforehand. 1332 01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,760 He was playing baseball, he was in high school. 1333 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,880 He had this conversation with Nam Kung Min's character, his 1334 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,720 Hyeong. And Nam Kung Min is rude as 1335 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,760 fuck. In the flashback, he says you 1336 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,360 cannot be as good as at your studies as you are at playing 1337 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,640 baseball. You don't have the brains for 1338 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,120 it. Yeah, so he got it from both. 1339 01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:22,280 You're not smart enough to do this, but also flip side, you 1340 01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,520 haven't played baseball enough to do this. 1341 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,080 And it's like, what do you mean? Yeah. 1342 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,120 Can he win ever? Yeah. 1343 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,360 It. I mean, it's frustrating enough 1344 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,840 for that character, the brother character whom I loved. 1345 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:41,560 But I do feel like I was distracted because this was the 1346 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:47,840 start of Nam Ku Min's back story, which was, to me, a 1347 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,960 heinous mess, a crime against the whole show. 1348 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:57,000 But yeah, in his brother's part, it's, I think, kind of written 1349 01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,200 off where his brother's just like, I am smart enough and I 1350 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,680 have played baseball, so problem solved. 1351 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,240 Win, win. And then he gets the job and he 1352 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,640 does great and he even changes his boss to be a normal person 1353 01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,040 who no longer harasses his employees to the point of 1354 01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:19,200 quitting. It's a win, win, win, honestly 1355 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,920 for that guy. Yeah, I mean, in that interview, 1356 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,160 he even says that he likes Jackie Robinson, the first black 1357 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,960 player in the MLB. He likes that story. 1358 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,760 He likes that history and admires that perseverance 1359 01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,200 despite the abuse and discrimination. 1360 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,840 And his quote is, it sounds ridiculous. 1361 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,920 Now, if I were to become a disabled analyst, I will 1362 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,160 probably be the first. It will be good to release news 1363 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,640 articles about this touching story. 1364 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,040 So he's even, like, pitching to them. 1365 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,760 Hey, this is a feel good story. It's good PR. 1366 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,280 Yeah, it's good PR and I'd be good at my job. 1367 01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,200 You don't lose. Anything right? 1368 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,600 Right. Yeah, But it's Puckenben who 1369 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,000 says the thesis that the writer is putting forward, which is 1370 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,120 dreams. The ball club won't discriminate 1371 01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:08,640 based on the fact that you're different. 1372 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,040 Hell yeah, our girl, the lens with which we are watching this 1373 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,760 show. You're a decent. 1374 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,800 Person. That's the message. 1375 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:22,240 Yeah, just be nice. So let's talk quickly about Nan 1376 01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,520 Ku Min's back story. Because I think that we didn't 1377 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:30,320 like that they didn't expound upon it and it seems like he had 1378 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:36,200 no I'll effects after a while. It was that he lost a child. 1379 01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:38,280 He lost. Everything. 1380 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,680 He lost everything this same Saturday. 1381 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:41,640 He. Was like. 1382 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,880 Hey little bro, Well, good luck at your baseball game because 1383 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,840 you've got nothing else going for you in life. 1384 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,920 So play hard. And his brother's like, I'll 1385 01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:54,440 play so hard I almost die. Does that freak dad almost dies 1386 01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:58,440 in another freak accident? The what was it the dad 1387 01:24:58,440 --> 01:24:59,960 collapsed or something? Yeah. 1388 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,800 Yeah. When his brother had the freak 1389 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:08,280 accident during the baseball game and then his wife also had 1390 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,520 a miscarriage or wife or girlfriend. 1391 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,160 I don't know. We. 1392 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,800 It's unclear all like in the same at the same time then he. 1393 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,880 Loses his job. Yeah. 1394 01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:25,240 Oh my God. It's so a lot happening for him 1395 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,440 and I, I don't know. I don't know. 1396 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:34,200 Yeah, it seems like giving a character a tragic back story is 1397 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,960 supposed to serve the purpose of allowing audience members to 1398 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:43,840 feel seen within that character. But I think if you give them 1399 01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,720 five different tragic backstories, then people don't 1400 01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,000 feel seen in that. They're like, oh, I went through 1401 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,800 this tragic thing as well, and wow, he went through it. 1402 01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:00,080 Oh, but he went through that and that and that and OK, we're 1403 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,760 playing the Paine Olympics now, and I have lost. 1404 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:06,080 He's winning. He's the most tragic person I've 1405 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,520 ever seen. And you lose that connection 1406 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,760 with the audience. So then what's the point? 1407 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,440 What's the point of making him the saddest man to exist? 1408 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,560 I don't get it. Yeah, like, I just didn't see 1409 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,000 the point of it. It was like hit after hit after 1410 01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,680 hit all in the span of like one or two episodes. 1411 01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,840 They finish it out and then they just keep on going with the rest 1412 01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,880 of the hot stove league and all the machinations and they're 1413 01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,680 just like, yeah, that sucked, right? 1414 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,000 Yeah. That was it. 1415 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,160 Like that was it. I think we even got like the 1416 01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:47,040 final goodbye from his girlfriend before we knew that 1417 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,640 she had like miscarried and that's why their relationship 1418 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:54,840 was so complicated and heavy. And so it was like, we didn't 1419 01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:59,600 even get to process her being like, we shouldn't keep doing 1420 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,880 this on the same day anymore in a way that made sense or like in 1421 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,560 a linear way where we were like, this is closure. 1422 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,640 This moment is closure. Because at that moment it's, it 1423 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,480 feels so like what, you don't know what happening with these 1424 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,280 two people. Yeah, We just don't know what it 1425 01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,600 means. We don't know who she is. 1426 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,240 Is she a wife? Is she an ex? 1427 01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:26,160 Like, what is she a sister? Like, I don't know because we 1428 01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:27,760 just don't know her relationship to him. 1429 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,080 And he's so closed off. So many more questions and 1430 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,480 answers. And then we finally do get the 1431 01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:35,360 answers. We're like, I thought this was 1432 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,800 multiple choices seen, like fill in the blank, like, you know 1433 01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,360 what I'm saying? It was like too much. 1434 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,160 Too much, too, yeah. Yeah. 1435 01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:48,320 And then at the very end, they just like his character. 1436 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,840 Yeah. How do we reconcile where he 1437 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,280 started and then how it all ends for him? 1438 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,240 It's all very ambiguous. It is very ambiguous. 1439 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,520 They kick him out again. Well, first of all, the last 1440 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,280 episode, they do find a buyer for the team and it's Ejayan. 1441 01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,320 Yeah, what? I screamed. 1442 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:14,640 I like screamed that cameo. Yeah, I don't recognize anybody 1443 01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,600 and I recognized that guy. Yeah, yeah, Tech bro cameo, the 1444 01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,480 tech amazing. So good. 1445 01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,560 Yeah. And he said, hey, I'm going to 1446 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,840 buy the team. Everybody on my team is saying I 1447 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,200 shouldn't. It's probably not a good idea, 1448 01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,040 but I'm fine anyway. But you can't come. 1449 01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:35,600 Sorry, why? I And then the reasoning was so 1450 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:39,320 shaky, like that was so wobbly. It was so shaky. 1451 01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,160 You're too good at your job. He said your history, he said 1452 01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:46,680 something about your history and I don't know what he meant. 1453 01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,560 The only thing I could think of is the whistleblower thing. 1454 01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,280 What? And what's crazy to me, though, 1455 01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:58,080 is that whenever someone is talking about like, oh, you'll 1456 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,240 never get hired again because you're a whistleblower, to me, 1457 01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:07,320 I'm like, Oh, no, that's very indicative of are you? 1458 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,800 Committing crimes. You won't hire a whistleblower 1459 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,720 because you're committing crimes like anyone who won't hire a 1460 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:15,560 whistle you. Have to hide. 1461 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,640 Yeah, like they should be investigated. 1462 01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:24,080 I I agree. This is crazy. 1463 01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:30,040 You just admitted to a crime. Not on my watch. 1464 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,040 So I was confused about why he kicked him out. 1465 01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:39,160 But it kind of goes, I guess, with his flighty nature, that he 1466 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,840 just comes in, fixes something, he puts something on the right 1467 01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,960 path. He put them on the path to being 1468 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,720 champions, even though at the end they weren't. 1469 01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,440 They were just kind of like doing better. 1470 01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,280 And I didn't like that either. I was like, where's the trophy? 1471 01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:57,080 Where's the trophy? You have to tell us he did a 1472 01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,880 good job that you don't have to tell us where he got employed. 1473 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,680 He doesn't even have to work on the team anymore, but at least 1474 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,320 tell us they won the championship. 1475 01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,760 Like please. It would have been such a great 1476 01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,880 moment if they did like a crossover. 1477 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,640 There's so many sports dramas in K drama land. 1478 01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,680 If they showed, I don't know, weightlifting fairy Kimbok drew, 1479 01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,080 all of a sudden I'd be like, Oh my God, it's a crossover 1480 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,680 movement. No, they didn't even try and 1481 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,080 create a sort of a shared universe. 1482 01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:32,040 No, he just like, goes through a weird mysterious door and 1483 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,960 disappears into the sports fear and I I guess he's on to the 1484 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,800 next shot. Like, on to the next one. 1485 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,440 OK. Yeah, it again feels like why 1486 01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:45,040 give him the most tragic back story I've ever seen in any 1487 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,600 drama, only for his ending to be like, he found a family, he got 1488 01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:54,320 his place, he's got a workplace with people who absolutely adore 1489 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,160 him, and he was forced out again. 1490 01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:57,600 Goodbye. Like. 1491 01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,040 The end just. Give me a happy ending. 1492 01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,400 Yeah, yeah. I agree. 1493 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,360 And his speech about it being the first thing he was able to 1494 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,320 protect and that will give him a lot of strength was beautiful 1495 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,080 and emotional, but it still was kind it. 1496 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,960 I'm still in the. Why did you have to do it like 1497 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,600 this? I was still on where are the 1498 01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:26,160 prizes, where, where, what sport are you on next? 1499 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,760 And I was waiting for him to just come back because it had 1500 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,560 been at least a season, right? They were they at the end of the 1501 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,560 season? I I couldn't tell if it had been 1502 01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,760 several years at that point. So because Pac-Man had a whole 1503 01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,720 different style, like she had a style evolution at the Yeah. 1504 01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,600 She took great. Yeah. 1505 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,520 I was like, is that years? Is that three months? 1506 01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,280 What? What is that? 1507 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,440 They had to have promoted her to general management. 1508 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,360 I I was trying to do everything that you did correctly with 1509 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:03,400 figuring out the location situation in America. 1510 01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,560 I was the same way. But about that moment where I 1511 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,160 was like, OK, her hair is longer, but it's also 1512 01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,800 straightened. So we can't say that it's 1513 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,640 definitively been that long. They're still wearing coats. 1514 01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,680 Everyone's wearing coats and jackets. 1515 01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:18,680 No one's in their summertime clothes. 1516 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,560 Is this just because it's their business attire, or are we still 1517 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:23,560 in? Is it the fall? 1518 01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:24,320 Yeah. Or. 1519 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:25,720 Or is it the fall? Yeah. 1520 01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,440 I don't know idea. Who's to say? 1521 01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,000 Not me, I don't. Know not me, I'm not about to 1522 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,600 tell you exactly when the show ends, but there is a time jump. 1523 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,760 I just don't know how much time has passed. 1524 01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,920 That is a little bit frustrating. 1525 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,680 I I just, I don't think it's enough to again, take points 1526 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,160 away from the show. But it wasn't exactly a home 1527 01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,600 run, no pun intended. At the end of the show. 1528 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,440 It was more like we got bases loaded kind of thing, like just 1529 01:32:54,440 --> 01:32:57,680 general excitement. So can't wait for season 2. 1530 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,200 I'm just kidding. It's only been five years. 1531 01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,600 Like where's the Season 2? Never do season twos. 1532 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,920 Oh God. Oh, I have a couple of stray 1533 01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:11,600 notes here. These are always fun. 1534 01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:15,200 So in episode 1, there's a fight in the dugout. 1535 01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:20,960 They're down by 9 points and there's a fight in the dugout. 1536 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,560 The Korean children in the stands are crying. 1537 01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,560 And I'll tell you one thing, this makes Korean children look 1538 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:36,360 real soft because American kids would be living if there was a 1539 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:37,520 fight in the dugout. OK. 1540 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:38,240 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1541 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,480 If I went to a baseball game and there was a fight in the dugout, 1542 01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,280 oh, my God, let me tell you, That would be a story I would 1543 01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:47,760 tell to my grandkids. OK? 1544 01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:51,240 I'd be like, I went to a game, and then these players started 1545 01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,720 fighting, and there was, and the coaches got in on it. 1546 01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:59,080 It was crazy. So no, I was not following the 1547 01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,880 despair that was running through the crowd. 1548 01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,720 When the dream started infighting, I was like, fuck 1549 01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:05,600 yes. Like, bring it on. 1550 01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:11,960 Yeah. I the the kids seemed pretty 1551 01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,200 soft. I also like if they had just 1552 01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,040 kept it at the adults were like embarrassed because they didn't 1553 01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,040 want their kids hyping up the violence. 1554 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,760 That would have been fine. And if they had kept it at y'all 1555 01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,440 should be embarrassed to be doing this when you're 9 points 1556 01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:30,360 down right and starting a fistfight with each other. 1557 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,400 What's happening here? Like that's hilarious like and 1558 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,920 understandable if they were like that's where the disappointment 1559 01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,680 was coming from. But I totally agree those kids 1560 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,360 look like such. I was like what is this? 1561 01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:48,840 This is a great so entertaining worth the price of a hot dog so. 1562 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,920 You really watch hockey? Exactly, exactly. 1563 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,560 They couldn't handle hockey. So any last words before we get 1564 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,200 out of here? None from me. 1565 01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:01,600 No, I've had a good time. Thank you for having us on. 1566 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:02,840 Yes. Thank you SO. 1567 01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,240 So nice. Yeah, I'm so glad you guys were 1568 01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,560 able to come. We could talk about hot Stove 1569 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,960 league, a Little baseball offseason show. 1570 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:16,160 Opening season was literally like a few days ago, you know? 1571 01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,840 Whoa, no. I didn't and I should have. 1572 01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:23,640 I got invited to go to like a local baseball game recently and 1573 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,680 I didn't realize it was because the season just. 1574 01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,840 Opened when I saw my because my friends are a couple of friends 1575 01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,400 of mine are Red Sox fans and you know, Red Sox fans are crazy. 1576 01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,240 So they were posting all kind of things for Opening Day, and I 1577 01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,080 was like, Oh my God, I just finished watching Hot Stove 1578 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:43,160 League and it's opening day. And yeah, so I was feeling all 1579 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:47,840 kinds of things, but so timely. So timely that we did this show. 1580 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,680 Yeah. We did it in the stove league in 1581 01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,720 the. Stove at the end of the stove 1582 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,280 league. Yes, exactly. 1583 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,400 So again, thank you guys for coming on the show. 1584 01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,200 Where can people find you online? 1585 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,760 We're at a couple of places. We've got our e-mail that we ask 1586 01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,520 people to reach out to us if they, I don't know, just want to 1587 01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:09,160 say hi or talk about more about the drama that we just reviewed. 1588 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,520 That's play on k.podcast@gmail.com. 1589 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,480 Yeah, and we've got a website that has all of our episodes. 1590 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:20,120 You can find all of our links to everywhere that's play on k.com. 1591 01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:23,040 And then just our Patreon, which is linked on our website, but 1592 01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,720 don't forget about that guys. Yes, please, please support play 1593 01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:31,520 on K podcast, Emily and Raquel. They are wonderful and that's 1594 01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,600 our show. I'm Jessica and this has been 1595 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,320 the Tiba Kay Rambles podcast.