I'm Jessica. And this is Deb icky Rambles.
We're a couple of friends review Korean dramas and today I have a
special friend with me. I have Carol from the K
Dramatics Club. Hey, Carol, Thank you so much
for having me. How's everyone doing for her?
Mandarin listeners that you how was she Carol?
Where sentencer language ubu to tie Bangla.
So super excited to be here. Carol, you blew my mind with a
mandarin, I had no idea of it. You knew to see how to speak
Mandarin. But that goes hand-in-hand with
what we're going to talk about today because we're not
reviewing a Korean drama today. We're reviewing a Chinese drama,
a see drama today. The First one for the podcast
feed, I think a lot of you that follow their back on the
socials, know that I watch TV dramas whenever I feel like it
is kind of augmenting my kdrama watching and I've been doing it
for many years and I do it for the blog.
I do the reviews for see, dramas on the blog and I always do a
lot of see, dramas, actually for the patreon feed that I review.
And this is very, very special because Cuz I have never, we've
never done it for the regular. Dip out, feed and Carol was so
gracious enough to actually make this episode happen.
I meant in the patreon, I do a final say episode.
Usually, when I finish a kdrama or see drama that I'm watching
outside, the regular debacle ramble season and I usually do
this by myself, but I always do it for the patreon feed and when
I posted on my Instagram story about loving love and love
between Ferry and devil loves. In the show, I influenced a
bunch of people to watch the show including Carol and she
binged it, my DMs were buzzing. The tick-tocks were going viral
and Carol. So graciously and sweetly asked
if I was doing a podcast episode on it and that she'd love to
join. So I figured we could just take
the final say and do it on the regular feed and so you all have
Carol to thank for this. Really?
Thank you Carol. Thank you.
I was hooked in with your Tick, Tock videos.
The first one I was out, that's for sure.
I gotta watch. That's a show.
I gotta get on. So, thank you so much for having
me. You're welcome.
I had a great time making note of those tick-tocks and then one
of them went viral in kind of a negative way.
All of the sexist misogynistic trolls on Tick, Tock found it
and they started commenting. I even I think that tick-tocks
been up for like about a week and it kind of died down and now
it's like over. I think it's over 3 million
views and the like every few days it keeps like the trolls
find it again. And I have to clean up the
comments at the Block like hundreds of people.
It is ridiculous out here. So Carol, I'm so glad that The
Tick-Tock actually found its target audience and that it
influenced you to watch the show.
It is. I think we're going to review
basically the C drom of the Year.
Yeah, so many people have talked about the show love between
Ferry and devil and how amazing it is and we're going to do the
same. I think it's no secret that like
we're here because we had a great time watching this show
but before we get into it I'm going to do a little bit of
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into it. I will put this PSA, the second
PSA at the front end. And at the back end of the
general behind the scenes, my drama, listen abscess and all of
the people who made this show because we're not going to do an
on spoiler section. So let me repeat, there is no
non-spoiler section after I get through the cast and everybody
we're going to launch headlong into the spoiler section.
So beware, if you Watch the show, you're going to get
spoiled. So I am going to read them, I'd
Ramallah synopsis, and it's kind of long so bear with me.
But I feel like it's kind of necessary I guess to for
everyone to be on the same page. If you haven't watched this in a
while or what have you? So here we go.
According to Legend, in order to obtain terrible power don't
functioning song of the Moon tribe, became an emotionless
monster. He killed his father sees the
position of moon Supreme and led an army of 100,000 Moon tribe
soldiers. On a Path of Devastation, SRI on
Theon, The Immortal fairy realm, Kang Yang, see the moon tribe
and you among see the mortar World.
We're in grave danger to save the world and stop.
Don't find Shang Tsung and his army.
The first God of War of XI XI and done.
Destroyed her primordial Spirit, don't punching songs, Army and
primordial Spirit were sealed and his body was locked away and
how Tiant our Under The Immortal bonds of the Halcyon Matrix.
This is like a tongue twister. I swear, however, it is,
however, if is primordial It was restored and down.
Functioning sang were to break free from his Tower.
The world would be in danger. Once more Legend, says, that
only the goddess of shank and prevent this catastrophe, but
she vanished Without a Trace Q. Avatar theme 30,000 years after
the first God of War. Sacrifice there was a
disturbance in the how Town Matrix while attempting to help.
The new God of War, reinforce The Matrix, or get a week.
And low-ranking flower flower fairy accidentally finds herself
inside how Tiant our and face-to-face.
Faced with the moon Supreme himself, their encounter sets
off a chain of events that threatens to change the fate of
the world. Once again, all right, that was
really wrong but that's basically episode one and I will
say this love between Ferry and double aired.
This year, August 20, 22, it is 36 episodes long.
It's directed by Zhang and I hope that I don't butcher their
names too much. But he's young and he's directed
falling into you from 2022 and young blood from. 19 among other
things. This is written by CAO, Lau Chan
and he's written things like the lady in butchers house from
2022, which is a historical, see, drama, and the crack of
dawn also from this year. And that is a modern see drama.
He's done a bunch of other stuff but that's just his stuff from
2022. He's done, he's written three
shows just in this year which is crazy.
And then his co-writer this he yeah he booked it.
Busy. Yes.
So his co-writer on love between Ferry and devil was by Jin Jin
and this is her first writing credit ever.
So I'm really excited to see what else she puts out.
What else fills out her filmography and stuff this show.
I'm just going to say the first, you know, the leaders of this
troop here and that's Esther you stars as Orchid.
She made her acting debut in 2016 and the TV tray.
Border Town, prodigal and she's done quite a few TV shows
including my amazing boyfriend to which I forgot that that got
a sequel. I watched the first season of
that and she's also been in find yourself as it says, she's a
main role. I honestly cannot remember her
character that well, which sucks.
So I remember watching that show but like her face is gone from
like the cast. So, I think everyone is Is
excited about this next guy because it's Dylan Wang as Moon.
Supreme, don't punching sign. Yes.
Carol, everybody knows him from his first leading role as Dom
and she in the 2018 remake be near a garden and that basically
made him a star. That is what happened Carol's
like head against the wall like complete, like just so overcome.
I've just been going down a rabbit hole of fan edits.
Oh, God, watch the show and it's just, it's just giving me life.
I know everything I need. I know girl.
So Dylan I've been in love with Dylan since Meteor Garden and
then I never watched any of his other shows until now, so
they're there I am. The love is back.
I like I never left and I think we're gonna say another PSA
here, before we get started, you will be spoiled In the next few
seconds. If you have not watched the show
and you want to stay unspoiled, you should watch it and then
come back here for this review, okay?
Carol girl, what happened? Tell me what happened, how did
you love the show? Oh my gosh, it took me on quite
the roller coaster. So I think that when I first,
when I saw your Ted Talk where he like comes to save her, yes,
I got my God, I gotta watch that show like that.
At whole eclipse of the moon and the moon goes away.
And then he shows up and people dissolve, I was like, this is
it? This is it, let's see.
So I started and in the first couple of scenes, we see her.
So enamored with the God of War down.
Oh sorry I said the wrong name yet tongue.
Yeah she was she was enamored with chuckling and she does
this. I'm gonna sacrifice myself.
Helps to save him and I'm like, girl, it's not that to you.
It's not that deep. This guy hasn't even shown you
that he's interested. So she goes into this tumbling.
I guess prison that they have made.
Yeah, and she falls into DC fq. Yeah.
Is that what we're calling it? Yeah, we can call him.
D, fq v, fq c. The fqc.
Yeah. As she falls into him and they
have their first kiss and I was like wait a minute should put
table and everything. Yeah but I was just like wait
this is so design one episode getting we're getting good kiss
and therefore sold one and I'll starkel drama.
Yeah Ima take that I was sold. I'll take it was just it was
just fantastic and the whole kissing to switch bodies and
Nothing for it, it had Freaky, Friday, Secret Garden up in
there, too, because I swapped that it was a body swap for.
For I don't, they did like two times I think now they'd swap
back today. So what is that for four kisses
right there. Just from them body-swapping.
Yeah, so you were hooked hooked immediately.
Yeah, same. So what happened with me was
that I had seen Some edits earlier in the year during the
summer. When this was airing and I was
like, oh my God, this is like, fucking right up my alley.
Like I really want to watch the show, but I was in the middle of
doing a lot of kdrama watching for the podcast for this, for
the season 3. And I had no time outside of
that to really dedicate to watching a see drama.
And of course you, dramas are kind of what's the word, they
require a lot of time. Is it's not just 16 or 20
episodes. It's always like 50 60 episodes
or something. It's a big commitment.
So I was like, I can't do this right now, so I didn't then the
season ends but what season 3 of their Buck ends.
And I have some time and I thought oh my God I'm going to
press play on love between very and double finally girl, the
first freaking couple of minutes.
I was like, this is it like I'm hooked?
I Can't wait to finish the show and the my only thing was oh my
God, it's only 36 episodes. I think that's very accessible
of a see drama and they kept that plot tight and they had the
writing doing so much heavy lifting.
And these actors were acting. Like, it was like, so much fun
to see all of these pieces that makes you dramas so great.
Right. Which is usually a combination
of like great cinematography and A set pieces and stunning
costuming, beautiful head like jewelry, headpieces Flawless,
makeup, and wigs, and all of these things.
Plus the story, The acting the cast, like, all of this taken
together. It makes this show a stunner
like the best. See, drama that I've watched in
a really, really long time. I don't know if it was the same
for you, but I was like, it's like this is the best thing ever
I couldn't. I was binging it and funny thing
is I posted all those tick-tocks and then I kind of sat back and
was like, I can't girl I gotta calm down.
I can't get through this too fast because I want this to last
and I thought you texted. You messaged me and were like,
I'm almost done. Are you said I finished the
drama? You have fish.
What was that? Like a day, two days.
Yes, two days. And it has sir.
I was shocked. It was like you were shot.
Harrell were like, oh, I have more episodes.
Yeah. Yeah.
I have. I have my job.
Yeah. I don't just like, you were,
like, I made the time. Yeah.
You're like, like, I don't have a life.
Like, I don't have a job. And I was like, I do.
But yeah. That was my excuse.
Was that I was like, I'm so busy and then you were like, I'm busy
too, but I like just blasted through it.
And yeah, I oh my God. I didn't want it to end.
I did not want it to end. It was something to look forward
to. Every time I came home and I'm
so glad I don't have to wait for No episode.
Some people were like, yeah, I was watching this as it was
airing and it was torture because the episodes would end
and then I have to wait the next week.
Yeah, I was like, hmm, can't do that with a dram of this good.
Can't do that. No, thank you.
I can only sit and watch my cage, right?
Emma's currently, because now I'm used to it by Chinese drama.
Hmm. I got a bench, the whole, yes.
So talking about, see dramas. What has been your experience
with? See dramas, just so that, you
know, our listeners can kind of understand where we're coming
from because I think I've won watching.
See dramas a lot for the number of years that I've watched it.
I haven't been watching it as long as you have.
I don't think Okay. Okay, my first CD drama was a
1986 drama mind you. I was probably watching it and
like 1991, so I was a couple of years later.
Okay. Got ya got it was a drama called
Journey to the West and it was being aired on national TV in
Ghana where I grew up and then I picked up, see dramas again in
2004 when I got intimate at home, I had Crunchyroll and yes
just when Crunchyroll was free I was gel hammering.
The drama is so yeah, nice. So good.
Yeah, I think I've been watching them since 2017, I think around
there 2016 or 2017 because I have been doing kdramas for a
while and I think I had watched like a.
Maybe I'd watched a Thai drama. And I had watched a, oh my God,
what's the language? Oh my God, a Turkish drama.
Okay, which was really interesting and I love the
language. I was a beautiful language but I
don't think I ever finish 60 so long who's like a lot of
episodes. So anyway, so I had watched
those and then I got into see dramas and I never looked back
because I instantly found like my favorite genres.
I guess of see drama. I don't think I'd usually go for
the modern ones. They're not.
Like 100 for me but I love the Lucia and the ciancia see
dramas, the costume period pieces and stuff.
I love those so much and funny story about I think one of my
first see dramas was I don't remember the name of it but it
was something about empresses of the palace.
I think was the name of it. Okay.
So it was a lot of drama in the
Harem of the palace and it's like young girl gets picked up
and like she gets inserted into the Harem, and she becomes the
King's favorite, all the stuff like very typical, you know,
Royal fodder for a see drama, and I watch it on Netflix.
And I kept thinking my God, this is such bad storytelling,
because they keep skipping over who killed her child like a
missing, entire scenes, entire scenes, entirely gone.
And I was like, wait, maybe it's like maybe they didn't intend to
It and I was like trying to reason with it and say, like,
maybe they don't know, maybe there's subtext that I'm missing
from it, but it was like very herky-jerky storytelling and I
get to the end of it and I was like, this was good, but I feel
like it would the editing was terrible.
And I had all these questions because they were talking about
things and referring to things that had never seen before.
Never heard about in the show before.
So I looked it up, online, people were fucking livid,
Because Netflix had chopped up the drama and edited it for.
I guess they're audience that they assumed wouldn't want to
see the entire see drama which was a High episode count.
So they edited it down for Netflix.
And that's why entire scenes plot lines were like missing or
told terribly. And I was like, oh my God, this
is a crime. Like, I still want to prosecute
for what they did. Did to that drama because it's
so rude. Like how, why would you think to
do that? It was anyway, so miracle that I
kept watching, see dramas after that.
But yeah, I would like to know what are your favorite genres of
see drama. And if you had to carve out a
mark Mount Rushmore of see dramas.
What shows would be up there. Okay, genres wrong.
RAB cough. Cough Ganda teenage school.
Oh yeah. Okay.
Yeah. And mushiya?
Yes. Yeah.
Those those are so good. Okay.
I kind of feel like we have basically the same taste and see
dramas because I always it kdramas.
I will go all over the place for genres.
I could do Thriller. I could do this.
I could do that. Yeah, yeah.
But now for see, dramas, I have Kept the same formula since I
started watching and it's always like romance rom-com historical,
's period pieces. If you're talking about a
Mortals I'm like, yeah. Sign me up like if this is very
similar to to my taste. So cool.
So we walked into this, basically guaranteed.
No, not guaranteed to like it, but, you know, it's made for us,
exactly, highly possible that we will enjoy it and we did Like
compared to other Russia. As we've said what we've seen
one. We didn't get as many kisses.
Oh yeah, I know I said kiss is a lot but like it's important to
me. Okay, man.
Same same, so we don't get that many and the stories are much
longer. So we're looking at like that 70
episodes etcetera and the writing is not as tight.
So yeah, I loved this so much. Much.
And what about your Mount Rushmore of?
See dramas, what are your favorites?
Dan, you know, I okay. This is a very old one, okay?
It was with Rainie Yang and Mikey and he was playing devil
beside me. So now.
Okay and then Ariel Lin did Tokyo Juliet and I will not love
you or I'll never love you with Bolin Chen.
Okay? Fantastic job.
It was like a friends friends to lovers.
Come lord, sign me up. Oh, my Let me write it down.
Oh, okay. Okay, please.
Yes, I'll send you the link. It's with Bolin Chen and Ariel
Ariel Lin. Mmm.
And they are love. Their story is, I'll Never Love
You. Okay, okay, yeah, no, sorry, any
time with you. So in time with you, okay, and
time with you and then I'll say bars, so Mars.
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, marzu Mars was such a traumatic girl
drama girl, but at the same time, I keep going back to its
addictive. So good.
Yeah, with Barbie shoes. You.
And that guy from Meteor Garden. Yes.
I forgot his name to oh my God. Yeah, so Mars, if you haven't
watched Mars, it's based on a. What is it called?
It's not a manhwa, it's a book. What is it called?
Oh my God. What's the equivalent of a
manhwa anime? No.
Um, anyway, it's based on a graphic novel thing. that I
forget the name of and they turned it into a show and it is
so good, so good him and him on the motorcycle and like the hair
that he had, no girl, girl. Oh my gosh.
And that painting, or that picture with fire around him,
quit their, quit it. So anyway, this will turn into a
Mars drama real fast. So we're gonna so those are your
Mount some more Mount Rushmore, see, dramas great.
So mine have to do exclusively With like Immortals and Sansa
and stuff. So I'll choose eternal love
which is I think it's also known by like 10 miles of peach
blossoms or something like that. Like the peach blossom show and
Ashes of love, for sure. And yes, oh my gosh, actions of
love and I will go ahead and put love between Ferry and devil on
my Mount Rushmore because I loved it, I loved it, I think
it's fantastic. Okay, so thank you so much for
playing along and giving us your Mount Rushmore and your genres
and your experience watching. See drama sorry.
What do you want to talk about first for the show?
Although because people know we love it.
Why do we love it? So I think We have to discuss
Dylan because Dylan is a huge part of this.
Um I am like madly in love with Dylan.
Dylan Wing is like, so appealing to me.
I this is like oh my God I don't can't believe I'm saying this
but like he has like my my ideal body type like ever since.
I was like a preteen the tall lanky slightly more like barely
muscular kind. Of dudes with like a pretty
face. That that is my tight ever since
I was a child. Basically, my crush is have sort
of looked like Dylan, Dylan Wang, not that they were
beautiful Asian men all the time.
But like, you know, they were that kind of style and oh my
God, every time I see Dylan, I'm like reminded of this like deep
sets like attraction. I acted this kind of dude and he
has played basically One of the most famous roles you could
possibly have in the Drama World.
He's played The Boys Over Flowers, Meteor Garden.
Yeah, guy and so I like I said before I've been madly in love
with him since then, then I popped off the bandwagon.
Now I'm back on it and I'm obsessed.
I think that his acting was pretty good and Meteor Garden.
Now, looking back at, Meteor Garden.
It's probably not that great. This drama love between fair and
devil. Impress me, completely, with his
acting his ability and just how far he's come.
It seems like he's improved so much.
Do you agree with that? I agree.
The first time I saw Dylan was in the rational life.
Oh, okay. That drama is now on Netflix.
Yes, it is. And confession.
Did not see him and Meteor Garden.
Like I just heard cuz I was partial to the first time you
need. Yes, your garden?
Yes, okay. And I was like, no, I'm not
going to do that. Then I watched voiceover.
No, I watch the Japanese one. Had a you read angle.
Yes. Regarding okay.
And then I watched Boys Over Flowers and at that point, I was
like, you know why Carol no sense in delaying it this time
Toxic life. It's over like, let's not do it
and I didn't see that. So how you held out after that
exactly. Matter going into his his
portfolio. Like okay, let's let's go back.
I think this is worth it. So I've heard you talk about it.
It's on my list now. Oh my God.
I do still haven't seen media Garden.
Okay. So we might have to do a Meteor
Garden episode. Then when Carol finishes me,
Your garden from 2018. I thought it was excellent.
I think I have a review. I think on the blog for it which
has like my raw thoughts like right after I finished it, I
think they just updated it so well for the times that were in
and they kind of left off at least a good chunk of what makes
that character so toxic and kind of cringey to return to in 2022
and He at pineapple head is such a great character because you
find him, so adorable and vulnerable and places and then
like really hard and cool in so many other places.
So he's got that cool dichotomy that he keeps up in this love
between Ferry and devil as well, where you like, he's very
vulnerable and places and other places.
You can't get a read on him. He's very careful and cold.
So That's, I don't know. I think he does that really
well. Yes, so, okay, when this show
started I was over the moon with how If you can, we swear on the
shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck.
I'm gonna do my thing. This is the girl I want.
This is mine. Very toxic, but he played it so
well. My, yes, you sexy you sexy.
I'm buying into it. Yep.
And then you see him transform into this vulnerable.
Person, not serving, just himself or his Is Moon tribe.
He is, he wants to be of service to Orchid and I'm just like, oh,
girl, girl, it's The Taming of the Beast.
It's The Taming of the Beast rope, which of course in real
life doesn't fly. You can just like, tame a toxic
rude Tyrant, dude with like kindness but and this show it's
up. It's a fucking high fantasy.
See drama. It's fake.
Give it to me, anytime of the day.
Like, I love that Trope, and I do love how you're alluding to
his character Arc, which amazing amazing character Arc that he
has. He like, I said, starts off
really cold and emotionless, really, and towards the end,
he's the complete opposite. He's very emotional.
And in touch, with his feelings. What he He wants he has so much
affection and just love for orchid that he completely shirks
his responsibilities. As the moon Supreme and
full-time takes care of her tries to get closer to her.
And of course, there's like reasons for it in the plot for
him to want to be closer to her, or she doesn't remember who he
is. But anyway, that's beside the
point. I love how They tame him and I
love how he is able to reconcile with his family and it's all
because of her because she's in his life, he changes.
Oh my God, it's so beautiful to see his ark and to see we can
talk a little bit more about it. I mean there's no reason to like
not but she cared for him a lot for the first, maybe half of the
show or the mocha the show like three.
Three quarters of the show, she's taking care of him, and
she helps him reconcile with his brother and his dad died.
She recognized resurrects, his emotions, his emotions tree.
And, like his, you know, all this crap.
She made him come alive, and she nurtured him back to life.
And I really like an episode 18. When he's confronting his dad in
the afterlife and the dad is like, well, I had to do all
these things so that you could become this.
Supreme and learn how to harness Hellfire.
You had to get tortured essentially to learn that the
Motions were no good and like you basically killed off
something inside of yourself. And yes it was how do I put this
really sad and a really intense part of the show to see him
getting the answers that he wanted the D fq C was like why
did you do This to me. Did you even love me and asking
these hard hard questions. And the dad was like, it killed
me inside to do this to you. And I could no longer live with
myself. So like the other Surefire way
to make sure that you cut off your emotions and learned how to
use Hellfire was. If you killed somebody that you
loved. So I could know.
Let it was like a suicide basically.
This dad was like, it wasn't you murdering me?
It was really suicide. Which is really sad, and the dad
was like, well, I see that your emotions tree is alive again.
It's been resurrected. Why don't you just scatter my
primordial Spirit. Now here and now and kill me
again, so that you can return to being this lofty, Moon Supreme
with these Almighty Hellfire Powers because otherwise you're
kind of a Sitting Duck. And you can't fulfill this
Destiny of like Reviving The Moon tribe in all this crap and
D. Fq C does something really
really Brave here because he he's chooses himself and he
says, I'm going to choose for myself.
I'm not going to cut off anything and I choose to feel
pain and love in equal measure and I brutal.
And I just think that I've all of us have come to that.
That place where, you know, buy some design of life, we come
across a really hard rock, where we were just like we're stuck in
this place. We don't I would rather not feel
anything. Then feel always pain and
suffering that I'm feeling right now and this character is like
nah man. I just I'd rather feel
everything than nothing. You know, I love that you bring
it up because in the beginning of the show, when he is in her
Library, where Orchid works and lives, he starts so because of
their kiss, he starts feeling everything, she feels.
Hmm. And I remember there was a
particular scene where she is having a bad dream or a
nightmare when she's sleeping, and he can feel what Feeling
mmm. And he feels fear and he's like,
this is what I feel. I haven't felt that in so long.
Oh my gosh. That's what it feels like.
And then you see him later on in the show, actually, experiencing
all these feelings of fear, and grief, and anger.
And it's just so beautiful to see because he or someone who
could not emote or whose emotions were caught off
intentionally to someone. Who is brave enough to want to
explore it and even his awkwardness and exploring things
like for some reason? Yes, I want you, I like you
Orchid. I'm going to spend my time with
you, but then with his brother, he's like, oh yeah, he wants to
kill me, whatever, like yeah. And she's like, trying to teach
him how to hug his brother smile at your brother and he's open.
That's the thing that I really I loved about his character as he
was growing. It wasn't just, I'm just doing
this for you and I'm going to concentrate on you, but he was
showing it to his first first hand man.
His brother to the leaders and the moon tribe.
Right rightful. Yeah, I agree completely that
the show. I think see dramas normally take
the bad guy villain is strop that he is.
The archetype of that and they only apply any goodness and
benevolence and love to the female lead.
Like the one person who has like can you know talk to him the way
that you're talking to him, you know what I'm saying?
And be close to him and stuff and in this show they extended
further than her Orchid for sure gets the brunt of his love and
affection and care. But you know she teaches him.
Everyone else deserves that much, as well, and especially
your brother, especially your right-hand, man.
Who for the large part of the show, he was like, I can't even
trust him like I don't, I don't trust anybody around me and
she's like, um, he's extremely loyal to you.
Of course, you can trust him. Like she sees straight through
everybody. I thought that that was a
tremendous thing to have in the her character was she may not be
strong physically, but But she's super strong relationally and
emotionally, she's got so, so much emotional intelligence and
intuition. And she's constantly reading the
room and translating, subtext and undertones to dfq.
See, who's completely clueless half the time and they
complement each other. And she's the one who ushers in
this era of him being more intuitive emotionally.
And what's the word straight? Not straightforward.
It forthcoming in his emotions and a great initiator because
the brother is almost was brought up the same way.
He cannot really bridge the gap here between him and d f g c and
she's like hey it kind of seems like your brother wanted to talk
to you about something in that conversation you were having.
She just like has to tell d fq c like hey I think you missed
something here and she hated us that it's amazing to see that
you know, even though Orchid is So weak, like, they call her a
week, even in the, my drama list synopsis that she's really
actually very strong. Yeah.
Yeah, emotional intelligence. She has it.
Mmm-hmm, I do think that it's every bit of a struggle for me
to believe and OK, you can, this is a fantasy drama.
I have to remind myself. Because I was, I think I wanted
to see a moment of hesitancy for her, especially when she was
gun. Who about you do not kill the
fairy kingdom. That's, those are my people.
That's where I grew up. Yeti Yeti.
Yeah. And then you find out that
actually the fairy kingdom ain't shit like they're not, they're
not that good. And one of them is the reason
why your parents died. So why are you holding me back
from? Killing them off.
Like I there was never a moment. Yeah, these people are bad.
But hmm. I see what you're saying.
Can't do that. I see her saying she never
struggles with who's good and who's bad.
Yes, she never does. She kind of thinks that
everybody is there's good and bad and everybody or that.
They're sorry there's good in everybody.
Yes she did believe. Leave that.
He was bad. Well, yeah he was she believed
he was ambiguous at first and then she hears stories and she's
like, oh you're the bad guy and then she sits with herself and
she's like, actually he's been very good to me.
Like I think y'all are just misunderstanding him and that's
when you see her trying to protect him, trying to hide him.
And she did a very good job of that.
But in terms of who's I, Is her super power, really is seeing
through people and understanding what their motives are and why
they are doing the things they are doing and she just happens
to be correct. So I love that.
Yeah but also a, my girl give me some revenge.
Give me some yes, yes, she never takes the low road to speak of
her. I love how you bring up that she
kind of had this skewed view of the Moon Supreme.
And obviously, she didn't know that the fqc was a moon Supreme
for like a long time. Like, he was lying to her.
And she's talking shit about the moon Supreme in front of him,
and she's like, oh yeah. Like he loves to eat, like dirt
or whatever, like she has, all this like crazy misinformation
about the moon Supreme passed down through Legend.
Basically, cuz it's been Thirty Thousand years since he's quote,
unquote died and he gets upset, it's like a very cute to see.
But finally, I like when they are, they've swapped bodies,
she's in his body and he's in hers and there in the moon
Supreme Kingdom there in the moon tribe Kingdom.
Sorry. And she sits down to eat or
heat. Guess her in his body sits down
to eat and she's like, oh my God, what are they going to
serve me? I heard that, he likes to eat
live animals and it's like this crazy.
She's freaking out in his head because she thinks she's about
to be served like some crazy dish and you, like unload, like
all of the dishes and she's like, oh, this sucks even better
than what I eat in the fairy kingdom like this looks really
delicious and she's like, pleasantly surprised.
Things like that, really kind of break down her Prejudice or or,
you know, the misinformation that she has about Moon Supreme
and it makes her kind of appreciate him.
More because look at the, you know, food that he eats look at
the life that he lives. And it's she has all these
misconceptions about the moon tribe and when she's living over
there, like they all come to naught.
Yes, it's the dark kingdom. Yes, they were dark clothes and
they it was very what did they like the look of the kingdom and
the palace and stuff reminded me of like like a middle eastern
Kingdom. Like they went for that kind of
Middle Eastern, looking aesthetic.
And I really appreciated that because I think that's also
playing into, I don't know. This might be reading too much
into it, but like I feel like post 9/11, it has been a kind of
Journey to bring the Middle East into back into the good graces
of like the West, right? And I'm sure it's kind of the
same way. Worldwide.
Like I kind of expected to be on some level, a little bit of the
same for other cultures and to see them kind of play that up in
the show a little bit to see them almost like, appreciate the
Middle Eastern aesthetic and the culture.
And you know they have all of these motifs around the palace
and stuff and the moon tribe and I'm like this is stunning, this
is gorgeous. And of course The fairy kingdom
has all of these like crazy Notions about this evil Moon
tribe when they're just as sick I guess, civilized right?
And and terrible as the fairy tribe.
Like there's no, there's no apples and oranges here.
It's pretty much like green apple and red apple.
Exactly. Right.
So I found that kind of cool. Mmm.
Yeah. So we were talking about It's we
are actually talked about Orchid.
I think I want to talk about Esther a little bit because
Esther you, who plays Orchid does a pretty good job.
I said, in my mid, say, episode on the patreon feed that I was
kind of annoyed by her portrayal of orchid just because she's a
little bit cringy. She's very childish, she plays
egg. Yo lot, she's acting very cutesy
and that sort of thing is compounded because he's doing it
all the time. Time.
It's not for a gag, it's not for, you know, a couple of
scenes here and there, it's all the time.
She's always giggling always like prancing around and it
feels just annoying to me. It's a little bit frustrating to
see her kind of like, almost like ditzy in a way like it just
seems like she's not all there, all the times.
It doesn't care and I think that I was expecting expecting hard
expecting a change, whenever she realized her identity and became
the goddess again, I was like, there's gonna be a personality
change here. A hard left turn here because
she's so lovable and lovely as Orchid and childish and naive
and innocent and all this stuff. The Goddess that she really is
definitely is not like that though, in my mind there was no
way and I was Like when she turns back into the goddess
towards the end of the show, she is quite wise and has a totally
different Persona. She doesn't like to sleep late.
She wakes up early, she doesn't need to eat food before.
She was a glutton and she loved to eat.
And now she's fasting all the time.
Like, lots of differences between Orchid and the goddess.
And I kind of like that, what did you think about Orchid?
And her Esters portrayal of her? And the Between Orchid and the
goddess, you know? I don't like too much egg yolk,
like the cutesy bitsy Behavior, but I also see it as that is a
way that she was protecting herself against bullies because
you would see her either, there were moments where they would be
gossiping behind her back or something.
And then she would walk straight up to them and say, hey, like
I'm going to win this thing or I'm participating.
In this competition to be made for Chunk on.
And apart from that when she is by herself though, she does have
this child. Like she has no friends.
She's not really interacting with people people and becoming
take their Leaf Books, and leave and her friends were the
fireflies, but if I like flowers, they were the flowers
in her garden. And that were like cultivated
enough to like take human form for a couple of minutes and then
like go back. Exactly, so I feel like she was.
She did have a lot of she's lovable.
And I think that's why chumhum fell for her to in the beginning
because she was so caring of him when he was injured, well, she's
a nurture by Nature. Yeah, exactly.
And, and then you would see her sort of play up this role when
she was being bullied. Just so that I felt like she was
using it as a protection mechanism, sometimes, and then
other times, it was okay. When I have to stand up for
myself, I'll stand up for myself and then, you know, run away
walk away. So I I liked her.
I think it was enough. I think her being that we really
Amplified the way. Don't fencing.
Kissing, yes, the fqc. Yes, it's a lot.
It's a lot to say every time you say his name, it's like don't
punching fun. Uh, see if you see.
Okay, so his, you could see the contrast between the two because
of just how much she played her egg yolk.
Mmm. It was, it makes him look even
more like even worse. I guess.
I see what you're saying exactly, because there are
complete Polar Opposites. When he doesn't have emotions
and history is still Like, rugged and nasty.
Yes, the difference between them is wild.
You know, she's like sunshine and he's like the moon, like a
truly is like a, he is the moon Supreme.
Very, you know, barely. Well I can't say like Moon
barely gives off light but you know what I'm saying?
Like he's dark and she's not, he's brooding and he's and she's
not and yeah the juxtaposition of them is drastic because
especially because of how she's playing it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I want to hear some of your Scenes my favorite scenes.
Oh my God. So they have to do a lot with me
swooning over whatever is happening.
I swear to God, I cannot believe how many spoons are the moments
are in this show and I think that my favorite moments were,
this is a long list. I have a, like, a laundry list
here. So, just feel free to jump in,
with whatever you have. If you agree or if you have
something to say about these. Anytime d, fq c takes.
Care of orchid. IE, collecting morning, do for
her taking her to see the sunrise making her flower, soup,
Etc. All of this stuff completely
sent me into a tizzy. What your you have, like, your
hand on your forehead like texting?
You like, if you're not picking morning, do for me, do you even
love me? Yes, you're not taking me to see
the sun, right? Do you love me?
Like, it was so it was so, so, I died.
I was like, the get. If your man's is not collecting
morning, do for you and taking you to see the sunrise and
making you flowers soup. Dumped him like, he know, we
don't want him, okay? He is not goals, anytime that he
saved her in the show. I like we mentioned one where he
likes, he causes an eclipse splits the sky and saves her,
but I think that was the first time, but he constantly is
saying really Dumb cheesy shit. When he shows up that I ate a, I
was like eating it up. He was like, how dare you touch
my woman? And like, saying things like
that, when he showed up to save her and I was like hand over
heart, I am living for it. I don't know why I am this way,
but like, it's scratching an itch that I have.
And it's really fun to sit. Not fun like, you know, going on
a Merry-Go-Round fun. I'm talking Like fun
entertainment and like, I don't know.
I'm swooning with every time he saves her that first time was
great when he said, oh God, when he saves her in front of the,
the lord of the fairies or whatever.
And they're in this giant throne room and they got her.
They got her strung up in the middle of their whipping her
with this magical whip. Girl, he shows up in like he's
got all the the Hellfire look swirling around and he says his
cheesy line and like laying here.
He comes up behind her and like, puts his arm around.
We're spazzing right now. Let's explain exactly what
happened. So she is in her initiation
thing to find her purpose. Yeah.
And it doesn't work out and they well, they like the China I,
what isn't it? The turd of the great turtle is
verifying all of their identities before their
initiated, as a mortal fairies, whatever the hell it is.
And the turtle, she goes in the turtles, like, hey, I know you.
And she's like, what? And like, he just gives her some
like, a Scary answer. Like it's not time for you to
like be here, some time for you to be a fairy.
Like it's good to see you old friend and she has no idea
what's going on. It's Spitzer back out and the
turtle doesn't say anything about her that everyone's like,
this has never happened before. Oh my God, she's not an orchid.
What kind of thing is she like there was no confirmation about
who she is or what she is. So they got release us.
They I think what did the guys? The lord of the fairies like
sent down like What a fire, something to harm her and the
Hellfire bracelet like the bracelet made out of his blood.
It activates and likes ends up like a flurry of Hellfire to
protect her and they're like oh my God it's what was that
Hellfire and then that's when they get really suspicious of
her in these Stringer up to try and figure out who is she is?
She from the Moon tribe, like what's going on?
As this is like I got a fucking clue.
Yeah, they're like, where is don't function song and she's
like, I don't know why I thought he was dead, like she has no
clue. And he shows up, he shows up,
I'll see why she's in pain. He's doing his thing, trying to
revive the moon tribe Army and he feels her pain.
So he shows up while she's like being strong and the air with
these gold, I guess. Chains chains.
Yeah, and he comes behind her and grabs her.
Waste. And we see that shot of his
house. Come on, yes.
But then they pan up to his face and he's just like glitter.
He looks up at the guy glares at the man and I'm like, oh God, it
does something. I just really like I know, I
know, I know, I know, I know and then he like gingerly like sets
her down and he's like, you know, dealing with her while
they're in the bubble of Hellfire, like nothing can
penetrate. This Shield that he put up and
he's just like, taking his times like, are you okay?
She's talking, like, you lied to me and he's like, sorry about
it. Like it's not like there's
nothing he can, he has no emotions at this point.
So he's just like, yeah. Um, oh my God.
Then he like reaches out to the side and like pick gets the
bracelet that she had thrown out like puts it back on her like
it's very like oh my God, a lot of possession happening.
And what's it called? Like territorial stuff.
That feels very like animalistic but I don't know why it works
for me. I don't like to explore with our
therapist. Yes, what he's like.
How dare you touch? What is mine also?
You got to tell him every time he saves her.
I am super bunny so wounding. Yeah.
Oh God, absolutely. So I don't know if there's any
other times that you can think of that he saves her but those
are like the two main times that I thought of right now.
He takes the 51 bolts of lightning shirtless.
I was going to school. Go for it, go for it because I
think he had a slightly different reaction than I did.
Yeah. So, his brother is taking these
bolts for punishments for, you know, trying to pull a fast one
on him. And he collects 30, and it's
left with like 51. And his mother is like, you know
what, I'm gonna take care for him, takes off his shirt and all
sigh. Oh well, it's like a Tearaway
shirt. Yes, why the shirt is terribly?
I don't know. I don't know.
But the effect that it needed to have happened and they and then
I thought it was a beautiful moment, you know.
Know what. Even though you're a fucking up,
you're still my brother. I still care for you at that
time, though. I don't know if I was, I just
wanted to get the brother felt like an annoying tick that you
wanted to take off. All right?
I'm just like, let's just get rid of him but I also see that
okay? It is your family at the time,
he couldn't really or he was just starting.
Into grass. Mmm.
The effect of killing his dad. Yeah, starting to feel all the
yeah, I'm shins and he sees where his brother is coming
from. So it was a very sweet moment
and I'm not sure in that moment, the brother got it, he felt
like, oh, you're just trying to show off or something and after
the brother was like you know what, you didn't have to do
that. That was that was really nice of
you, right? Well Orchid, helps that.
A pout because after you takes the bolts of lightning, he's
injured and can't really speak for himself and or get helps him
off the floor. And this is when the brothers,
like, I can't believe you did this little blond like talking
shit about him again. And she says, he didn't do this
for any. You no reason to look Brave or
anything he did this as a result of, you know, feeling guilty and
all this. All these new feelings that he
has guilt and grief and remorse. These things and she sets down
that mirror thing that like, recorded their conversation in
this spiritual realm with his dad and like, that whole entire
thing. And so, the brother gets to hear
the father talk about why he set out his emotions and why
tortured him and he gets to hear this reconciliation and that's
when the brothers like, oh wow, I totally read that wrong.
The 51 bolts of lightning, so yeah, that was good.
But What did you think of Dylan shirtless?
It's all the shallow and I feel like this is the shallowest I've
ever been on the show ever. Been on that bike.
I like so. What did you think of Dylan
shirtless? Okay, go.
It did not look like he was wearing one of those prosthetic
know that. Yes, because that made the
rounds on Tick. Tock to was this lady sharing
this, like behind the scenes, look at a Out of these see drama
stars that have to do is to shirtless seeing.
They don't work out for it. They don't like beef up Marvel
style. What they do is they have this
like bodysuit the type where that has like ABS in it and it
makes him look really buff, but its fake.
So I don't think it was the body suit like that Tick Tock.
Yeah, expose thing happened. I think it was a body double but
now I'm not sure because As I'm currently watching, Miss the
Dragon. And there's a moment where he
see him like, you know, shirtless and I was like, man,
that looks pretty identical to his body in this scene when he
like rips off his shirt about to take the lightning.
And I was like, that. Is that is that really be Dylan?
I don't know that I still have say a body double I don't.
It could also be the same body double so I don't know.
I did see a behind-the-scenes a Scenes is putting it lightly.
I binge-watched a bunch of behind-the-scenes videos on
YouTube. I was going apeshit on YouTube
fell into a hole like ours, I was on there, looking at behind
the scenes footage and some of it was was subbed so that I
could understand what they were saying.
But a lot of it was not, I was there like, you know, raw
Mandarin. I had no idea what they were
even saying but I was like watching behind The scene stuff.
And they but this was an interview that Dylan had done
done, and they asked him, like, how did you prepare for that
scene? And he said, oh, I just did like
a bunch of push-ups before hand and then just like shot at Point
Park, please. And I was like, okay, okay, so I
don't know. But then, you know, other
interviews, he was saying, like, look, I'm very calm.
He didn't say he was competitive, but this is what I
got that. He was very, he is very
competitive and if he sees other peers or seeds, Rama stars that
are posting like Jim sell visa and shit.
He'll go to the gym. He like, wants to one-up them.
He wants to look really good and yeah, so he goes to the gym and
he works out and stuff, but I don't know if it was like all
that, you know say, I don't know if it was enough to pass for me
thinking. It's a body double.
Yeah, I don't know. He's worth in, I don't know.
I don't think I thought about. He could be like slimthick.
He could be slimthick. I of Carol.
I've never heard that in my life.
What do you mean? I've never slid thing.
Oh my God. Okay, talk to me like like
slimthick is your skinny but we can tell you work out.
So okay. Okay, definitions.
Maybe your back muscles or your Your biceps not kind of.
Are you happy? I got you.
So I think he is slimthick, huh? But it could also feel we should
actually say, let's just say, I went to shirt came off.
I was on the floor. I hit the ground.
I hit, I hit the ground. Yeah.
If this is how we're gonna get
it, we'll take it. Mmm.
Sure. Okay.
So, that's that scene.
I think any time they kissed her swap bodies was great.
The one in front of Lord tongue. Yeah, the forest surrounding the
moon tribe, Palace. I talk to me Carol, Carol.
So so bodies. And run, how and chunk hung on.
Yeah. Okay this is a moment to
actually completely kill Supreme, mmm, and sex is like, I
can't you but I don't want you to do that.
So I'ma kiss him back. So the kiss and they switch back
and that could have been it. My, the second case the second
kiss. Oh, so what?
He does is why why he grabs the back of her neck.
I had full body Goosebumps because heat it, so they switch
back. It's a great moment because
they're both like, no, they don't want each other to, you
know, die or leave or whatever, especially her because they were
literally, like you said, they were like, okay, great, they
swap bodies, he's in her weak-ass body, we can just kill
her or that body kill him and then take her inside the
excuses, body back to the fairy realm and like Grow and her a
new body or whatever, like swap them, and that was the plan for
Cheung Kong and wrong out there. Like, oh yeah, good plan.
We can just kill the Moon Moon Supreme right now that she's
like, she's like no goes to kiss him.
They switched back. It's like a full-on
transformation. Every time.
They swap bodies because they're both.
So great at playing each other and they swap back.
He's got the glare back on. He's got the cool vibes.
Like the man again and oh my God he I think she's like in his in
his on his arm or something at this point and she starts
running to chungcheong. She's like chonga and like
steaks off toward him Carol. When I tell you, when he reached
out and grabbed the back of her neck and pulled her back and
kisses her like plants went on her and then as she still like
kind of in his in his hand he looks up and glares at chunking
like yeah. Yeah, marking my territory.
This is mine. She's not yours like very much a
possession. Like another, like possessive
seen, and I have no night. I was like, call me toxic, call
me toxic, because this was feeding me in a way that I
didn't know. I needed to be fed.
I was, oh my God. I just was like, it was such an
unnecessary move. Oh my God.
Yeah. But he wanted to show his
dominance. Mmm chunk like you ain't shit.
Like it's also, it's also dominance to like, not just like
she's mine. It's also, you know, she's not
yours. Yes.
That's the important thing that
he I think he was trying to communicate to Chunk on saying,
she may not be mine, she is in my arms right now but she's
definitely not yours. So, back off very much dominance
move. And let's explore why we like
this so much. Do we do we need to explore?
I thought we were gonna leave that for a therapist because, oh
God. Okay.
Go like I'm just comparing the two guys, and the thing with
Cheung Kong was. Yes, he loved or yeah, we seem
to think he loved Orchid. Yeah, he loved or cared for her.
Yeah. Cared for her, he took care of
her and the way he could Xin the bounce of within the bounds of
what he could. Uh-huh.
But at the same time, it was kind of like I'm waiting around
for potential and potential is not coming.
Like what the what's wrong with you?
Why can't you be? I don't want to say be a man why
can't you be a sort of? Yeah.
And what you want and tell me. Hey I'm It.
Can you I want to be with you. Let's do this F, the world.
Like he came to that realization too late for me.
Yes that yes, wow, wow, Moon. God was just like, it's you from
number one and that's it. Everything else will have to
work around it while I felt like with Chuck Hung She had to work
around everything. Oh okay so yes I agree with you
completely. Why this has to do a lot with
Cheung Kong and his ark. And the way they formatted his
character because he is the archetypal hero, and he is
duty-bound. And so, a lot of his personal
life is not his personal life. He can't choose his own bride.
He can't kind of work outside of his duty as the god of war.
And so, I agree with you, that that moment is also kind of
Highlighting the fact that he can't.
He can't even like stake a claim really.
He has no right to stake a claim on Orchid, and her feelings.
And even tell her that he has feelings for her.
A lot of the I think that What's fun about the not fine.
But like what's interesting about the show is that Moon
Supreme is definitely choosing her like throughout the show.
He is trying to also bridge the gap between her and his people,
like the moon tribe is very against them being together and
they consider her unlucky and you know, there's all these
things that he hopes that he has to jump through to be with her
but he's willing to do it and towards the end of the show.
He's torn because his love for her is directly contrasting.
What he can do to free 100,000 of his people and revive his
Moon tribe and like fulfill his own destiny and it's just it's
really sad to see him. Do that to see him, struggle
with that. But Chung is basically doing the
same thing only earlier in the show.
Were he is, can Deviate from his Immortal path and he's just so
Bound by his role in the fairy kingdom, and his brother and all
this stuff. He's not brave enough to even
step outside of that. William and Harry!
Oh my god. Wow, what a time capsule.
This episode is going to be. All right, I'm assuming you're
watching the Megan and Harry dock, right?
I'm not. You're not, I grilled the tea is
hot. Okay is it?
It's small pits, the Tweety we know about but yeah, it's still
pretty warm. Pretty warm to eat.
Okay, I just love drama. Okay, so yeah, a tongue.
One last thing I'll say about him is that I love how they
never wrote him to become a secondary villain because yes, a
lot of second male leads in see dramas, especially turn out to
be some sort of villainous person towards the end.
They don't respect her choice. They kind of force their way
into a relationship with the female leader, what have you?
And in this case, he was very respectful of her choice and
actually supported her whenever he could.
And by the end of the drama, you know, he's out of place of
acceptance and he ends up. Shirking off the burdensome duty
of being the god of war, and he's happy to relinquish it to
the up-and-coming ferried. I mean, I love how you know
tongue hung again. We were saying that he's not of
one. What is it?
Like a divided like he's divided in his heart about what to do
with Orchid and how to proceed with.
Even pursuing her and saving her because he thinks she's in
danger by going to the being in the moon.
Try but all this stuff but by the time they come back from
their mortal realm trial like he's like full-on like fuck you
I don't want to be the God of War anymore.
I don't want to fight your battles.
You just you're just a war mongering dude.
You just hateful and I don't want to be doing your bidding
anymore and he has this whole like there's a rift now between
him and his brother. And it's great to see.
He helps them get away back to the Moon tribe.
It's great. Like he actually takes a stand
at that point and it's still a stand where he's supporting her.
He's not like trying to woo her at this point, that just got me
to the next kiss. Kissy, when he super weak and
she gives him stop. And she gives him her blood
because she's like my My blood has healing powers and he's
like, don't be giving your blood to just anybody.
Yes, he's like don't do that. Even for me even for me and this
in your lap kiss that was supposed to go on but we had
some interrupt errs place. Can you guys go away?
It was such a precious moment. God.
You got the campfire, the Cozy campfire.
She just saves him with her blood, she's desperate.
And yeah, he tells her don't do that again.
Even for him and he starts asking her like why did you save
me? Why did you come back to the
Moon tribe? You had a way out.
Yeah, I know that all this time, you've wanted to go back to she
and John, I know that you wanted to go home, why didn't you take
this opportunity to go home and she deflects, she doesn't want
to talk about it and then he grabs her and pulls her Back
into his lap and then he's like, he's gently like Whispers again.
Like why did you save me? And before she can respond he
like kisses her and it's such a culmination.
What a moment I it's been a long time coming because they had
been throughout the Mortal trial just at odds with each other
bickering and weren't kind of succumbing.
So their feelings at this point even though everyone knows they
catch the cat feelings for each other, and And oh my God, it was
great. And there are wedding attire.
Like you're just Uh-huh. Well, comes to the realization
like he likes Orchid and and then he walks over and he's
like, oh, you're meeting my wife and I like Bravo you're doing
the same thing again. Carol.
Well, let's talk about the Mortal trial for a couple of
minutes here, because I think that this is actually a lot more
episodes than I was anticipating happening.
My complain about the Mortal trial is that the, they were
just a little bit boring. Like, the episodes were
generally a little bit boring, a little bit, lighter tone, and I
think I would have preferred more steaks.
These episodes, again, were punctuated by neither of them
letting go. Oh, of their pride so that they
can finally come together. Share their feelings for each
other. They were muddling around in a
lot of jealousy and they were serving attitude to each other
and doing a lot of underhanded, comments to each other pushing
each other away. And I think it just lasted too
long, but I feel like the end of the Mortal trial was a
highlight. I think the that episode was
really, really juicy. And some of the stuff that he
does in the Mortal tri-d fqc does in the Mortal trial is
Really fun because again, he's like claiming her as his wife
and he's like calling her like darling and honey and like all
these things and he's very unwilling to marry her off.
To The Reincarnation of Lord chunga.
He will just not let her go and he is also very Resolute.
That marriage is a serious thing and they shouldn't fake it or
metal in it. And I'm like, well that's
hitting all the right notes. You know what I'm saying, like
that. 4D fqc to be. So like, no, we can't just marry
the wrong Partners just so that we can like help them get
through their mortal trial. That's just that.
Yeah, like fuck them like no. So very much slight light, Swoon
worthy, moment throughout. And then the final episode of
the human trial was super juicy because they're together
drinking on the wedding night even though they didn't marry
each other, but yeah, you know she's asking him.
Really loaded questions. Like what is his true purpose in
luo Chun. Why did he lie to her?
And she refuses to go along with this plan that wrong, how had
developed that, she has to poison him, and she's refuses to
poison him. And again he's talking dfq,
cease talking about like, raising the fairy realm to the
ground that he has all these plans for war and she's
overwhelmed with Despair and love because As despite her best
efforts in all of this time, he still wants war and he still
wants to destroy her Homeland and her people.
So she's torn. She's devastated and very sad.
But then you have this fight scene because like they possess
lady Chidi with like evil Chi and she like comes after them
and they run how put like a evil Chi bead and the the fairy
orchids headpiece. Since stuff.
So like that goes off like a little bomb of evil Chi and he
saves her. Even though she's basically
impervious to evil Chi because of her goddess Powers, he's
still enters this like Maelstrom of evil Chi saves her.
Then this is great she finally saves him because so far in the
show she has been a damsel in distress.
And at this point she finally saves him.
She like, kind of dips into those Goddess powers.
And it's the stunning green like color as she like fends off the
evil Chi and she like stands up and looks really powerful and
fierce for a minute and you're just like, yes, like your cut.
It's like turning in the right direction.
Like I see this ship of the plot kind of steering in a different
direction at this point because she's finally becoming who she's
always been. Yeah.
And at this point, you have QC realizes who she is.
And he's like, oh my God, it's the goddess, and it's great,
it's great. Then we get to that whole.
Like she saves him on the shores of Oblivion River.
And he protects her until he collapses, and it's like, Lord,
chumhum gets shows up and he's like beckoning her to come home
and she chooses him, she chooses the FTC and that's when you get
to like the campfire scene with the kiss at all.
It's like all of this is all strung together and I loved that
episode and I love the end of there.
Mortal trial. I loved it.
I didn't think that mortal trial was slow.
Like you said, I'm just like, what are we doing here?
Like humans have no power. They're so boring.
Yeah, they're like we can't use our powers.
Don't like why? Exactly.
And then towards the end when she comes into her priesthood, I
was like oh this is this is fire.
I love that she saved him. And we'll get there but towards
the end when she becomes the Priestess and she has to she
sort of disconnects from her emotions.
Hmm. And wants to focus on her
Mission. Just like he did when he was
Moon Supreme and had Hellfire and I thought just the journey
for both of them beautifully done.
Get around a couple goals for sure.
I have in my notes, their relationship started out very
imbalanced, but they grow into each other, they grow into each
other, and by the end, they're just so balanced.
Because, of course, he was calling all the shots.
He was very aggressive, a tyrant.
And by the end, they have this mutual respect for each other
and it is wonderful to see that in a see drama where he humbles
himself and she humbles herself and they just, they just end up
being like this match made in heaven, even though they're
technically Star-crossed lovers. So I love to see that.
For sure. Oh my gosh.
Enter into the cave of pain for him.
Okay so I this was a moment that I adored because they are
finally together, right? They realized that they love
each other. They declared that they love
each other and it's great. And he I think this this is like
a series of things that happens because she they go to the.
Okay, here we go. He goes out of the palace to
meet up with her for the Moon Festival where they're like,
they have the engraved locks and stuff.
They're going to do like the lock on the bridge and a whole
mess of people instigated by his brother beg for him to
reconsider being with her, that she's bad luck that she can't be
trusted. She should be killed.
And he declares in front of all of these people that he loves
her. That she will be his wife and he
will love no other. And I'm like, I'm like,
Breathing hard over here in the corner.
It is such a great moment and he has Mercy on them because you
know, if he was the old Moon Supreme with no emotions, he
would have just slaughtered these people.
Exactly. But he has Mercy on them, he's
like, watch what you say, I'm going to be with her, they have,
he goes to actually, he takes, oh my God, there's even more
because he takes those bone devouring spikes as punishment
to it, to atone for like the ongoing.
Going loss of 100,000 soldiers and for being with Orchid.
So he does this then he goes to see her on the bridge which is a
beautiful moment, they declare their love on the bridge and
they kiss under the full moon, then he collapses, it's this
whole thing. Then after this whole thing
where she realizes that his people are basically dead set
against her. She says she wants to go into
this non abidance cave. To earn the honor of being the
moon Queen. And she tells him something.
Super why's, she invokes her own agency here and says, you know,
throughout the entire relationship, the entire thing
has been on his terms, whether to kill her, to love her, to
keep her. It was all his decision, but now
that they're about to become husband and wife like that
should change. He needs to respect her
decision. She says things like there's no
hierarchy between Between a couple and no matter what we
have to bear it together. What happens?
We have to bear it together and I like, all of this is amazing
to me that she recognizes like it's in the script.
She recognizes that it's been in balanced.
Their relationship has been in Balance this whole time and
despite all that she realizes that she needs to just like he's
been doing on and off for her throughout the show kind of Take
a hit like suffer for their love to be, you know, bona fide and
she chooses to undergo that trial suffer pain.
And she knows that in their culture, they value respect, and
they value and respect power. And she has to earn his her
place by his side fair and square.
No assistance from him, and I love it.
I, you know, of course, he doesn't want to let her do it.
He won't subject her to torture. She says, the entire
relationship is, is basically come to this and she wants to
prove herself to his people and it's she knows the significance
of the ACT. She wants control over this one
thing and it's fantastic. I love this moment and of
course, I love the moment that he doesn't drink the tea.
I was just going to say that. Yeah.
What else do you want to say that?
He cut? He goes through it with her, you
know, he chooses to also go through the torture with her
couple goals for Real. Oh my God.
Hmm, sickness and in health. Yes, yes, everything everything
I feel like if If she were giving birth.
Okay, what he would be feeling the same.
Like he would feel the pain to write instead of being I don't
like Mary I don't like he would be present which I really
respect about him the same way she was trying to gain respect
of her people. I'm glad that he did not drink
the tea and went through it with her.
It's yeah, it's hot in my God. It is, it's poetic I guess we
can segue into moments that broke you into little pieces.
So, I like a lot of scenes here, but I think that the one that
broke me into pieces. The worst was both of their
goodbyes want. The first one was orchids.
Goodbye. Why she sacrifices herself?
And I was a wreck, like, when she tells him not to cry, and to
smile and like, takes her little bloody fingers and turns up the
corners of his mouth, just like they had done before when she
was teaching him how to smile. And like, That completely sent
me. I don't know if you had anything
to say about that. Could by seeing the entire
sequence was stunning, and well-edited well-acted.
I was telling you what his what, his pain, his pain right angle,
it's anguish like you just and I was watching talking about
English, the behind-the-scenes footage of, he sent omong the
scene and ice. I sent it to you because I was
like you got to see this and the scene is really well.
Acted he's giving it so much he's screaming and hollering and
like throwing himself on the ground and really a lot of
physical kind of exertion hear from him from Dylan.
And when the director yells cut, he still on the ground.
And he's like, inconsolable on the ground really tired looking
and just he gave it so much Esther.
You has to come over and kind of knock him out of it.
Get him back to a place and yeah, she's like you know, she
takes his hand, she's kind of like wiggling it and like, oh,
come on. Like, you know, she's patting
him on the back and he finally sits up on the stage and she's
telling him like, you know, don't worry I'm alive.
Live. I'm not dead and comforting him
in such a Rahway because they just went through this whole
scene in sequence, which is kind of odd, you know, in regular
filmmaking. And in the west, you have movies
and TV shows shot out of order. And then, of course, when they
edit it, they put it in order in sequential order and she, I
mean, they did this completely in order from the time they're
like crawling in on the sand dunes all the way up to he loses
her. It's done.
It was shot in. It looks like and so, I mean, it
was just a crescendo of emotions and he looked devastated.
You really? We pray actor.
I was sold. I uh I don't know people.
Yeah. Des it's not cool.
Yeah. Yeah something about his acting
which I thought was really sad was.
And one of the interviews he said, I'm really happy that
people are so enamored with the show.
I'm so happy that people are giving it positive feedback that
they're loving the characters and everything because my
previous, Obvious show or my previous work.
You know, I got a lot of criticism for it and I learned a
lot through, you know, reading the comments.
He said something to that effect that people had like shit on his
previous show and that he, it take took the notes and he's
improving like actively trying to improve.
And I thought to myself, this is really sad.
First of all that, this poor guy who's like, just, you know,
plucked from obscurity. I think he was like a fly.
Attendant before he became famous.
I kid you not? Yes and he he's learning but
like trial by fire because you know, it's not like he took
acting classes and now he's in a professional actor and stuff
like know, he was like a model like a, you know, nobody and now
he's this great actor and I just felt terrible because I feel
like sometimes I contribute to that too.
When I'm reviewing dramas on like this suck that can't
believe like whatever and it's we just all have to like have a
little Grace and remember that. These are real people and it
takes a village to make these dramas especially like a see
drama with all these crazy elements in it and special
effects and people that contribute behind the scenes and
post-production and stuff, it's not just the people on screen
that you see that make the drama what it is and I just felt
horrible when he he said that he was like yeah you know my
previous drama wasn't well-received and stuff and I
was like oh my God but all of also like which drama was that
was that miss the dragon or was that the rational life?
You know. Maybe it was mr.
Dragon, I think it might have been missed the dragon because
I'm currently like an episode for something of it.
And it's good, but I can sense that it's probably not going to
maintain this momentum and maybe the writing for won't live up
to, you know, whatever. So I can probably guess what it
was Miss the dragon. Because you've watched the
rational life was it, was it? Okay.
It was a good. It was okay.
Ah, si si mind you mind you. I don't think that Chinese
dramas, rom-com wrong romance. Has been doing it lately.
Like, the last one I loved was love is sweet or something.
Okay, that sounds familiar. Yes.
Where she when she cries, she gets an allergic reaction and
she okay, got you? The guy?
If you have not watched it, oh my God.
You got to. Okay.
So that's a good one. Okay, that's a really good one.
Love is sweet. Okay, yeah.
And then love designer. Okay, those two felt very much
contemporary romance, being done.
Well, but the rational, life, I think you had too much work in
it. Oh yes, there's a workplace
drama. Yeah.
Okay, okay. Yeah.
Boring. Yeah I don't like I don't like
workplace dramas like personally and I've said this in our.
What's wrong with secretary? Kim episode as well where I'm
like. This is not really my job every
time they set something in the workplace and like, you know,
but that's just me. Personally, other people love
that. As far as others love between
Foreign Devil scenes, that broke me.
After she dies, he gets stuck in a dream and he dreams that
they've been married. Yeah, he dreams that they've
been married for 5. Hundred years and he's basically
committing suicide. As he's trying to keep this
dream alive Inception style and it's just as Grand Illusion
into. He thinks that she's alive and
the scenes of their married life are so adorable and enticing and
it is so so sad. When he has to say goodbye and
like implode the dream. I my God, like tears, real
tears. I was sad.
I was so devastated when he To say goodbye to her in the dream.
Yeah. Oh my God.
Yeah, but then, oh my God. I live and, and killing yourself
in the process. Like you could just tell how
much he had grown to love Orchid.
Mmm. And trying to do that.
Trying to keep that, you know, Vision alive.
And yes, it was cute. I agree with you was very Cute.
But it was also very heartbreaking for the people in
the outside. Look at it looking in at him
doing this, hmm. Even Chun?
Ha is like yo, bro. Like yeah.
What's going on? Comes in and he's like, you got
to stop this, you're killing yourself.
Your people need you. And there's a possibility.
We can bring her back. You need to get out of this.
You can't just kill yourself over this.
And oh my God, I It was so much to see him say goodbye to her
and she's like, I'm alive, I'm right here, like she's sick.
It was a lot scenes that broke me, he, you know, they go
through the motions of saving her, the extractor Little
Spirit. They put it, it turns into a
seed, then he starts taking care of her all over again as a seed
and the same that you repeating the same thing, he's giving her
Sunshine. He's collecting morning, do for
her, and is talking to her and really kind of of making it seem
like she is, as if she's listening, she's a plant mind,
you, but he's talking to her, he's like, I miss you so much.
I like, you know, just having conversations with this plant
and it's adorable. She finally turns back into
human form and she or top she doesn't remember Emma, you see
her talking with the great Turtle before she turns back
into her human form and she's like, yeah, I understand that.
That, you know, I have this Grand purpose and I can't
succumb to my feelings and indulge in love and the great
Turtles. Like I'm so glad you understand
this, you got a great purpose, whatever, and sends her back,
sends her packing to shine that town that she's from And oh my
god, when she turns around and she doesn't recognize him.
It was like the air just got sucked out of the room.
You know what I'm saying? And I expected it to like,
obviously she just went through this great transformation.
She's now the goddess and I fully expected her to have
amnesia or just to forget him and their love.
And her time is Orchid and but when it really happen, when it
finally happens on screen, I was like, no is brutal.
It was brutal. And then him just sticking
around. And and like I said before
humbling himself. What did you think of him?
Just saying, like, I want to serve you, I want to be your
servant and stuff and what it was very beautiful because
here's Stephen. Who doesn't he built or Arbiter
Hall again? Exactly, again again.
And she's walking through like she don't remember nothing, you
know? Damn well she knows.
I can think that have it. Yes.
She's like, I love this place and I'm like, no fucking shit
seat. And he's like, I just want to be
near you. I just want to serve you.
I'll just uh that was such a beautiful.
String of words and moments, like I know you don't remember
me. Just just let me hang around and
it's so torturous to him. Yes.
Want to do that.
Yeah. Just like now I have faith.
I think I can make her. Remember me?
And I'm just, yeah, he's repeating all these things that
they had done and trying to like try to jog her memory.
It's brutal when he realizes that she's not orchid.
Yeah. Who knows to her for going
through all those memories with him and still pretending like
she can't remember. Yeah, she was good at that.
She was like I there was no love in her eyes, you know what I'm
saying? Yeah.
There was nothing. Yeah.
And when she woke up early and she's telling him like you don't
work. Wake up early.
I'm like girl, really is this who we are.
She was like I was meditating but in front of the Sun.
Rise. And I said I was like,
meditating. Oh my gosh night and day
difference between her and Orchid, but he finally decides
to leave. Yes.
Oh my God. That was that was Accepting what
it is, now one but also like I I think I've done all I could I
love myself, too. It's time to let go, mmm, Brad.
It's really Brave. It's very brave.
And it's really hard to get to that moment where you're like,
I've given it my all. But now, I choose me and I
choose my people, and my response and all those other
things and I'm To go and then she's like, she puts her hands
on his Linux and smile smile. And I'm like you bitch, what are
you doing? She's giving him exactly.
You're giving him hope number one.
Number two, you clearly had remember Why couldn't you talk
to him? And the communication lack of
communication. There's a stick.
Why she cut, she cut him off. So dirty when she came back as
the God because she was talking all this shit about, oh I'm
gonna basically commit suicide to stop this apocalypse from
happening and stop this evil monster cloud from taking over
and that's her Destiny. All the goddesses before her
have done the same thing, they're very self-sacrificing.
And whatever. but my issue with her was D CQ f d.
F. G c d.
Excuse me. Sorry d.
Fq c was doing the same thing in the beginning with his Hellfire,
right? And being Moon supreme, but he
found a way to work with her to still, you know, save his people
and like I felt like he was more open to finding another path.
Well back. Well that's the thing is that he
was at first very much trying to make peace with his Destiny and
saving the moon tribe and then being with her.
But because of all these machinations, he was basically
choosing his people at the end and he was trying his best to
save her. And the way to save her was
like, we got to get this bracelet off of her.
Now that she loves me unconditionally, the bracelet is
basically, Ali, a death sentence, if you take it off of
her, but it's got evil chi in it.
So it's killing her from the inside out and sucking up on all
of her goddess energy. And like, there was a lot of
things that he was trying to make happen, which was bring
back the hundred thousand people that were frozen in time for
30,000 years and also save her life and he was like, the best
way to get that bracelet off of her, is to kill her love for me.
So he was like, being really mean to her and like, saying
really crazy. Lines to her that were
heart-wrenching, and okay, of course, she never stopped loving
him. So like there was no way to take
the bracelet off. So then how can he unleash these
hundred thousand people without lady TD's spirit and all this
stuff to break this curse that she put on this battlefield.
So, I was like, all of these things taken together, like, he
basically did the best that he could because he was trying to
save her, but then trying to say, His people and ultimately,
it felt like he chose his people.
I think as the audience you're thinking, oh he chose his people
because he's being so insufferable to her and doing
this 180 imprisoning her again and being kind of like his old
self. Yeah, versus the Lovestruck Moon
Supreme who is very in touch with his feelings.
He was trying to, you know, make her unloved him and it wasn't
working. Yeah, it was a lot but she
doesn't go so far. Well, I should say she does go
so far as the goddess because she is trying to like, shut down
his feelings for her not Inland in an overt way, like, you know,
talking to him in a certain way or being mean to him
necessarily. But she was, like, let's choose
the path of least resistance. I just don't remember, I don't
have, I'm not Orchid, you know? Yeah, so I think it she chose a
little bit more. Sifl route to try and get him to
go away and maybe stop loving her and move on.
But man, so it culminates into this bridge seen they have like
this bridge seen represe where he takes her there to hang the
locks he's like do me this one last favor, they go to the
bridge where they declare their love for each other.
And he admits that Orchid is gone that the goddess xishan is
not her and it's this last bit of Hope here because he wants to
hang this lock with her name on it, because if you put the lock
on the bridge, it means they'll be together forever.
And so it's like this latch the last ditch effort that's like
superstitious effort, but she is not having it.
She starts walking away and he says he starts crying.
He's just crying on this bridge and he says I just want her to
know that I'm not bad anymore. And then I said, all these
terrible things to her to try and get her to not love me
anymore because of this bracelet and the, you know, the magic of
the bracelet. It was killing her and she
listens on to hint at the revealing this and also saying,
like, you know, I'm just I'm not bad anymore.
I'm not that person I was and I'm he's like I want to tell all
these things and she's there she's listening to him break
down and still decides. To walk away and submit her
higher calling in the that the fate of the world is in her
hands and so she chooses the world over him.
And I'll it's heartbreaking. It is Because she loves him.
She's crying. She remembers and still and
still. Oh man.
Going back to Esther low really fast.
I wanted to talk about since some of the behind-the-scenes
footage. Dylan was talking about how she
was so integral to producing such great chemistry, you know,
and creating these scenes where they might have been kind of
referencing or paying homage to They're see dramas because she's
an avid see drama Watcher and she would read the script and
come in and be like, Oh yeah, this reminded me of this and
maybe we should try this and bringing ideas to the table and,
you know, pulling the things up on her phone and showing Dylan
and be like, well that's try this, or they did this.
Maybe we could try this and being very proactive about
setting up their scenes together and it wasn't just the director
who was kind of fostering. They're their chemistry and
their scenes. So I really wanted to just say
that about Esther that she, I think the importance of her and
her creative contributions. Can't be understated because
we're talking about, great chemistry.
We're talking about great spoon or these scenes.
It's kind of endless for us, but Esther was, you know, she's one
of us. She's time watching seizure
almost all the time, and she recognizes the kind of things
that would make sense for the viewer.
Hours and what we would appreciate because she is a
viewer. So yeah, I wanted to say that.
I appreciate her love for the craft for sure.
I think the only other couple that I had heard about this was
Well, actually I've heard a lot, he hadn't been and so you Jin
Joo. Ha ha shows.
And they did that for crash. Landing on you and Alchemy of
souls, because they were such a young crowd, they've definitely
got a chance to encourage each other to do things differently
and try this instead and things like that.
And he's some ghee. Does that quite a bit too?
To so Mmm. Yeah, I think I love it when You
see people really enjoying a crack, Mmm.
Yeah. Thinking about different ways to
bring the plot alive and and yeah, it's beautiful.
Mmm. Okay, so we're now in the
endgame episodes where he decides d, fq c decides to
sacrifice himself and there's the second goodbye that I
referenced earlier. I could not function.
I just couldn't because it was like their wedding day.
She was about to get married to Chung and again, Chung Hong come
in, come in and clutch, because he was like, I'm not happy about
her marrying me, even though I love her and I do want her to
marry me. It's not something that I am.
Happy about that. I am gloating about because she
doesn't, she doesn't love me. She loves you.
And what's worse is to, she doesn't realize she loves you.
And she doesn't remember her time as Orchid.
Like, I want Orchid back and he's very Level-headed about it,
you know, again at this point you kind of expecting to see
drama for him to be gloating for him to be happy that he gets the
girl, but it's not on his terms. It's not, it's out of like
necessity because of this whole like destiny that they have over
their relationship. She needs to marry him to like a
locker goddess powers or whatever the fuck.
So the wedding gets like interrupted because DF, you see
is in the middle of confronting this, like evil.
Loud, what is it 10 tension or Tashan or something?
Forget the name of the demon dashing.
Yeah, so she ends up on the battlefield with all of the
fairy kingdom to try and stop dfq.
See who, you know, he was initially trying to kill the
thing using, whatever is left of her spirit and powers that is
like imprinted in his heart, which God inside him from like
their first encounter, fine. So much symbolism there.
But okay. So then he I think the demon
like distracts him with like, saying like, I don't know what
he said, I can't remember what it was but it's an Avenue.
Yeah, I was trying to find cracks in his resolve.
Yes him back. Slide and say yo I can give you
what you want. Uh-huh.
Sort of an Enticer or in Mirror into The deepest desires?
Yes, that's what he was trying to get.
Yes. So he finally did find a little
chink in his resolve and that's when he entered him and looked
possessed his body. They like became one and it was
this whole thing, he started, I mean he was back with the blue,
the white hair and like hovering over the valley and it was like
really cool to see. But yeah, she's back on the
battlefield wedding is like interrupted and She Braves this
Maelstrom to get to him. There's this epic mid-air kiss
when she finally gets to him and she enters his like figurative,
heart to where she sees what's left of him.
His tree by his heart tree and he starts begging her to, to
kill him to let him go and she won't and like the entire scene
is so well done because, you know, on the outside, they're
still in an Embrace or so. Kissing and like all of a
sudden, she has activated her goddess Powers, she's like
completely consumed in green like Elemental like energy or
whatever the hell and then he suddenly starts is able to use
glazed fire and the whole like the Heavenly realm is like, oh
my God, this is like an ancient method that's been lost to time
and like only people with great love and compassion can Master
it and so, you know, they're real.
Wreathed in like glazed fire and the green from her powers and
it's beautiful beautiful scene. And then inside of his, you
know, heart or mind, they're having this last conversation.
And she, you know, she finally does, she like just shoots him
with her powers and they start rising up.
They start like rising up into the celestial Galactic space.
And it's gorgeous and then oh my God then he like kind of comes
to a little bit and like says goodbye and and then
disintegrates he's just disintegrates right in her arms.
I, I was devastated. I was forlorn.
I could not be comforted at this point.
I don't know about you guys, listening, but this was another
like moment where it cut me to pieces and all, that's all
that's left. Is like this little, what is it?
That little piece that he had given her write a little piece
of his heart basically made from his blood or something?
I don't know. Little Memento leftover, she
takes it and I I love how she's talking with the brother later
in the brothers. Like she asked the brother, do
you believe in miracles and the bows like I don't know.
I don't know. And she's like, well and she
hangs it up and her little garden Arbiter Hall and, you
know, feeds it her little spirit and she takes care of it.
And then all the, you know, he comes back, I think she had her
back to to him and he's like, yes, that's just like the tears
tears of joy and then they just end it there and like we're
left. Process this show and like, the
meaning of life. And oh, my God, yes.
So symbolism and this show talk to me.
Talk to that. Gave me why even like the tree
inside and caring for the tree and nurturing?
Its that was such a beautiful way of putting up growing up and
learning your emotions and how the leaves just represents the
differences. Emotions that we go through and
mmm. And then there was, you know,
Hellfire and glazed fire. Yeah, glaze fire.
You have to lose all your emotions to be able to get that
in the beginning. Mmm.
And he lost all his emotions to be the strongest person in the
world, but on the other side with so much emotion, you're
able Master glaze fire and no one is able to do that.
And only the people who have reached like the highest level.
Yeah. Okay.
And then of course it's ironic. Exactly.
Yes. And it's ironic because it's
like the most brutal Moon Supreme, dude, that the
archetype of villain of the show is the one who can summon glazed
fire. I mean, it's beautiful, it's
beautiful and I think that one last thing that we had talked
about before was the villain wrong how and his relationship
with Lady TD and how they are kind of, what's the word?
They're like two halves of the same coin, like rhonchi landlady
Chidi on one side and then you have Orchid or the goddess and
moon Supreme dfq see, on the other side because they both are
trying to go against fate or destiny to save.
Another person to save their partner to save their Master
whatever and the difference between wrong.
Holly TD, + d fq c an orchid. Is that the they don't love each
other, like they love each other, they care for each other,
but they don't love each other wrong, how and Lady.
TD don't, but Orchid and DF. You see, do they have this
all-consuming love and one thing that the Arbiter, the real
Arbiter said, Said was that love Falls outside of Fate which is
why you have these Destiny leaves that are so like
Buckwild. And that's what Orchid was
saying. She was like, yo why are these
stories? So wild?
Like these things are happening. These terrible things are
happening. And these people like go through
it and she's like, well it's not really part of Fates plan, but
love intervenes, love Falls outside of fate and that's why
you have like this craziness happening and I loved how I
think you mentioned this How the efficacy was the only person who
could change. Her Destiny.
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. Because that's what.
Q. Not Cupid, our Master.
Our kids Master said like, yeah. And who can save her?
You are the only one who can change her Destiny and he didn't
understand it. It looked like he didn't
understand it when she says first said it.
But then he definitely understood it towards the end
when she was getting married, you know, following her path.
And he's like, oh, okay so yeah in the end she's going to die.
Mmm, I'm gonna die in her stead and that's.
Yeah, I mean I thought idea, I would love for both of those
live and right. That's what we get in the end.
But yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by the end when we had
a happy ending and I'm so used to Lofts at the end of my
wishes. Yes so it was just as very
happy. I was very happy as well.
I was very happy. They got a happy ending last
thing I'll say about wrong. How and Lady TD was that I
thought their story was really compelling and I also found that
interesting that the writers felt that they needed to redeem
wrong hell and that he was actually redeemable sort of in
the end. And you kind of end up feeling
badly for him. And for, especially for lady
cheesy, when she is finally resurrected, and she has all of
these she's tortured basically by the evil Chi.
And by what he's done and how he brought her back, and the way
she begs to, for him to kill her because she's just, she's not
the same and he realizes that he got got By the evil, you know,
cloud teshan or something he realizes that he's been tricked.
But you know, I I don't have a pity for him.
You don't have I see. No, I remember seeing him in
episode 7. I was like this guy's the bad
guy because I don't think that he was even a good friend to
tell him. Because technically, okay, ciao
was looking for chitti. Oh yes, here's yeah.
And I'm and he knew where she was and he never said anything,
so yeah, I don't think he was a good person to begin Camp, base
of friendship. Ally.
And that's exactly what wrong. How did even though he was very
close to, you know, try the second God of War tongue hung,
he was still withholding so much of what made him him, you know,
and made him unique what his story was and how he was.
So now I don't think maybe devastate her, but reft bereft.
Yeah. After lady, HED died.
And how he, you know, had this grand plan to bring her back.
All of this was not part of their 10,000-year relationship.
I will say that. I thought that they had a little
bit of boy love Vibes between them when they were interacting,
especially like towards the earlier episodes when he was
coming over to drink and they were like in the painting
together and like, writing this boat and just drinking the two
of them. I was like, this has As a little
vibe to it and I can ship them easily.
Hold on. I have a question.
Yeah, that time it did. Chaka.
Khan know that wrong house. Master was cheating.
Hmm. Oh I can't remember.
Okay, I think that's a thing. I don't know if you knew I
think. So then I would expect him to
also get upset and angry at at chungcheong for liking Orchid,
right? Like, you're betraying my master
but there was none of that. It clearly told me that.
Wrong. How did not care for chumhum?
And that's something that okay. I think that's a little
far-fetched. Like I do think that he cared
for him especially because you saved his life when he didn't
have to. And he knew that there was like
beef between them that he was in the wrong that he was killing
people left and right to create evil Chi and he was like doing
things against the heavens plan and that he was a bit like wrung
out. Knew he was the villain.
No, I'm saying some villains. Don't think they're the Ellen,
he actually was a villain. Yes, sir.
That's true. And he was concentrating on
getting Sheedy back. I guess made more efforts than
chun-hyang to bring GT back, but I just feel like, overall, I
think that tri-d and wrong how failed in their training, mmm,
because I feel like as a master whose Teaching you have to
understand Evolution and acceptance and Fades and all of
that. And I don't think he learned
that from her, got you. Yeah she was like why are you
doing and you know, he she was talking about your devolving
into your basest, human instincts here and wanting to
save me and keep me alive and he Like, well, I don't care like
fuck the world. I want you back and she was like
the only time I ever like succumb to human emotion, or
feeling was when I saved you. And that was really sad and
wrong and she went to the Arbiter and was like can you
save this boy and the Arbiter was like I can.
But are you okay with being an agent of evil in the future?
She was like yeah sure everything comes at a price and
the price of their bond was too much either.
That was like so many people were murdered and Are they
weren't the same. Like even she was like your
music has changed. You're different, where's the
Purity in your music? And where's the Purity?
In your fighting ability, like what happened to you anyway?
I think I have come to the end of my notes.
Did you have anything else you wanted to add about love between
Ferry and devil other than its life-changing?
Definitely go watch it. I'm so sorry.
If you've listened to this far and And you have been spoiled.
I wear. It's better than how we
explained it. Please go watch the show.
But Carol, what is up at last thoughts?
Final thoughts. Final thoughts.
It was a great drama. It was a great ride.
I'm excited to see what both needs do.
Hmm. Next, I'm going to watch the
next drama. Today.
Okay I'm gonna get my hair done so I got to download episodes
and oh I got you but yeah I I loved it.
Yeah, Mount Rushmore. Yes, it is up there.
Yeah, for sure. It's up there.
It's really good. Johnny 22 for sure.
All right. Carol, thank you so much for
coming. This episode.
Thank you for making the time for being so gracious.
And even suggesting that we do this episode, I have had so much
fun watching the show, and so much fun talking with you online
and offline. I can't believe that we actually
cover to see drama on the regular debauch feed.
It is a long time coming and it's kind of like in between
Seasons. Like it doesn't even fits like a
special episode but I'm so glad I shared it with you.
Where can we find you online, Carol?
You can find me at a Dramatics Club on Instagram and at Carol
markway, also on Instagram and on Twitter.
I yeah I just hang out online, do reviews.
We're not can and I'd love to meet everyone to.
So thank you so much for having me.
I'm so glad I was your first see drama.
Yes. Hopefully, I come back.
Yes. Thank you.
And if you want more Carol,
definitely listen to our search www episode, where we reviewed
that show with Demi has welcomed, he's a trip.
So if you want to know, Carol's background in kdrama and some
other suggestions from her watch listen to that episode, It's
amazing. So I think that's been our show.
We gotta get out of here, we got things to do, we got more dramas
to watch. So that's been our show.
I'm Jessica and this has been the Dybbuk.
He Rambles podcast.