I'm Jessica and this is daebak. He Rambles were a couple of
friends review, Korean dramas and I am pumped because I have
repeat guests with me. I have Jenny back from the porch
of playlist. Jenny, how have you?
You been, how has been your year?
Because it's been about a year since we've last talked on the
goblin episode. Yeah, I thoughts wild.
Oh my gosh, times flies. Definitely, I think good.
We're still reviewing kdramas out here on the photo playlist,
but yeah, we're currently watching a couple of non ROM
call me. So, I'm waiting for the
rom-coms. A hit for the rest of this year,
but how have you been doing? I've been doing well, super
busy. I had kind of a hectic morning.
But I'm glad that I was able to finish the drama that we're
going to talk about today, which is your beautiful from 2009.
The reason why we're doing you're beautiful and
specifically that I requested that you come on this way.
This episode with me is because on the goblin review, you said
that, your first kdrama was you're beautiful and we had a
moment and I was like, wow, so I put that in the back of my mind
and I was like, I have to have Jen.
Me back if we ever hear beautiful.
So it's happening. We're going to talk about it.
This is a show for sure. And with without further Ado, I
think are just gonna jump into some housekeeping.
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And let's go. We're going to talk about your
beautiful and I went sideways on this one, I have the Wikipedia
synopsis, instead of the Asian Wiki or my drama.
Listen Ops is because those were complete trash.
I don't even know how they let that on the internet.
I was like, what is, how is this even English?
So here's the Wikipedia synopsis of the show Coleman yo has lived
at an orphanage with her twin brother combing them since
childhood after their father died.
Years later, mean them becomes a music Idol, and meanwhile lives
in a junior, none dorm to fulfill her.
She sorry. Marty laughing to fulfill her
dream of becoming a nun. One day mean I'm successful
successfully auditions for, and Wednesday and entertainment.
Vocal auditions to join the musical band and Joe where
Angel, however, he must leave for the u.s. in order to correct
his botched plastic surgery. Mean times manager approaches me
kneel and best for her to pose as mean them for a month until
he recovers menial is against it at first, but eventually agrees,
as a path to fame, would give the twins an opportunity to find
their mother. Thus mean, yup was supposes has
her brother and joins the band, an angel.
Where she meets its members, the Arrogant Hwang Tae kyung.
The gentle conch signal and the bubbly Jeremy.
So yeah, this drama is basically.
She crossed dresses as her brother, and she's originally, a
None. And now she's thrown into the
world of Hollywood and K-pop. Quite the show.
Like right off the bat, this plot is Buck while this
originally aired from October to November 2009, and I just want
to pause here and say, like, where were you in 2009, what was
happening in your life? Because it's been it's a while
back. Okay, 2009, Jenny.
And to give context for why this is my first kdrama to was.
I was very much into the Kpop world, you know?
Like like I wasn't ftisland fan and I was like 'I honky you know
freaking puss is of this man on my wall and so I think I'll some
like maybe Middle School maybe early High School.
I don't even remember. But I just remember being like
Oh my gosh, I am in love with you hungie and he's gonna be in
something called a kdrama, like what is this?
And so literally it was like one of the reasons why I got into it
like the cage on the world in general was because I was just
so into K-pop. I was just like, you know, to
steal my little Middle School thing, listen to my cave off and
then just got thrown into this world of romance and I was like,
wow, okay, I'm ready for this ride and I've been on this ride
for the rest of my life. So fantastic.
Yeah, yeah, for me, 2009 was the year I graduated from high
school and just to set the scene for people that are like, maybe
on the younger side or don't realize what was happening in
2009, Barack Obama. Was inaugurated in 2009.
What a trip. Yes.
Parks and Rec the show. And the TV show Glee made their
TV debuts in 2009. Yes.
Damn. First year.
Yes. Michael Jackson died in 2009.
Yes let me see. Taylor Swift was still winning
Country Music Awards. Wow, Slumdog Millionaire swept
the Oscars that year Heath Ledger with I know and speaking
of oscars Heath Ledger wins best supporting actor posthumously
for his role as Joker in The Dark Knight.
So this is the time period that we're talking about.
We still have Harry Potter movies coming out, we still have
Twilight Saga, movies coming out in theatres Avatar which just
got a sequel not too long ago. The way of water.
The first Avatar movie Released an 09.
I'm telling you. It is the beginning of things
because even Disney acquired Marvel in 2009.
This is when you're beautiful comes out, right?
This crazy year with all of this stuff happening.
And all of these pop culture moments that people seem to
forget happened in 09. So long ago, when when you said
pandemic in 2009, people thought you meant that H1N1 swine flu
Yes, that was the pandemic in 2009.
So honestly, it was kind of nice to revisit not just for the
Nostalgia the show, but just think back to, where the heck we
were, as a society in 2009. Yeah, bring us back, honestly.
I miss that era of my life. I was so young, so full of Hope.
What a trip. I know, like, even in this show
there is like scene. Whether like clubbing and the
songs are playing. I was like jamming out.
I was like this was so lit the day, right?
I loved it. So yeah, what a great time it
was a time. So this show is 16 episodes long
and it had a director Hong, some chong and the assistant director
was Park young-sun and he's directed things like 49 days and
Miss Granny which are two more. Or well-known the to me, they're
a little more well-known than some of the other work that the
assistant director has done, I think, more than anything, the
show was written by the Hong sisters, which is Hong da Moon,
and hung meet on two sisters who are prolific screenwriters.
And we kind of delve deep on there filmography and their
screenplays on the Alchemy of souls episodes, which I ended up
splitting into two parts, but yeah, that was their most recent
thing. Alchemy of souls, how do you
feel about Hong sisters, dramas, and they're writing in general?
I don't know, I'm a sucker for the Hong sisters, like I I feel
like I'm close to a playlist, sometimes they're very critical,
things are like, well pothole here like this, that that, but
like honestly, if I really just like go back to my roots, like
the honk sisters, know how to hit us, what the emotions, what
the, you know, the crazy out there storylines and I feel like
they do get critiques. A lot because like, sometimes
people say they, they reuse plotlines reuse tropes but I'm
like, that's just like kdrama. Like, this is what kdramas
about, you know, like Alchemy of Souls and then going down like
hotel de luna. Also, iconic, current Odyssey
iconic. Like so many of these, even
from, like, way back in the day, like, sassy girl and 2005.
I never even wash that kdrama and I've heard of it, you know,
like these are iconic. So I feel that the Hong sisters
know what they're doing and no no I love them at the end.
Them. Okay.
So I'm so glad you say that because we have differing
opinions on the Hong sisters. I generally sort of dislike the
way that they write things. I think they're good at
balancing really melodramatic moments with comedic moments.
I think that's what kind of brings people back is that
you're not just wallowing, the whole episode.
They have these lighter moments punctuated throughout and they
are very good at physical comedy writing in some physical
Physical comedy for the actors in obviously that's know.
You can look at Alchemy of souls, you can look at hotel de
luna. Korean Odyssey, it goes way
back. That's a little bit of a
signature for them and they love fantasy elements and they are
sort of foundational. Like, I can't take this away
from them, their foundational, 4K drama.
And a lot of the tropes that we see, they were pioneering, or
they were redefining and in specially in this show.
I felt like revisiting it, they tried to subvert.
A lot of the tropes like you would be like, oh they're about
to kiss and it's like, oh no he moves her face out of the way or
so like it's very there subverting a lot of things
because the audience already has some expectations, maybe some
that the Hong sisters created and some that they're just, you
know, like still within the Wheelhouse of kdrama but I
thought they was fun to see. But also this I don't feel Feel
less the Sara Lee like I'm in love with any case.
Any Hong sisters kdrama, if you feel me, like I appreciate what
they've done but I'm not like, you know, I'm not waving the
Hong sisters flag over here like like a lot of people are and
that's fine. Like, everyone can have their
own opinion, their own feelings toward things.
If you love Alchemy of souls, I'm so happy for you.
Like as a matter fact, very happy for you.
Great keep it. It's yours for me.
Not so much. And that's kind of how I wanted
to wrap up the Hong sisters talk because I feel like it's a
little touchy after I don't know if you were privy to like all of
the Alchemy of souls hate that was around or like the toxicity
of some of that fandom. Oh my God.
Yeah yeah. So if you didn't like the show
then I'm you were definitely privy to some of this.
Nonsense online. But you know, everyone has
their, their likes and dislikes and if you like honk sisters,
dramas, they're not going anywhere, like keep watching.
So I kind of think that this 2009 drama might might make some
people a little weary of the Hong sisters just because of its
age and we have talked about that.
So this yes, Yes, so this show Stars POC Shanae as combing, the
old / calming, I'm she's playing both roles the Twins and how do
you feel about Pacini? Because oh man, so she's so
iconic in her and itself, you know, like I feel like she was
obviously my first kdrama and then she goes on and I feel like
she goes from the very strong like, kdrama female lead when
all the rom-coms. Now, I feel like she's delved
into this new world, like watching her and call the call.
I was like Blown Away by her like, change of, I guess, like
Charisma almost like it's just, she's playing such different
roles, you know, I think that her crying ability is freaking
top-tier. If there's anyone I can count on
and Decay Joe industry to be able to shed tears.
It is huxton. It like she her Village do.
That is like amazing. I'd say, if people haven't seen
her in other kdramas, she is very different now than
obviously in this kdrama like, just watching her act and this
one, it's like, what? The pouty face and kind of the
homes. Hopefully, not like, the not
like Vibe it just like, it's very different.
But overall I mean, I think I appreciate her because she was
my first kdrama. Gal.
I feel like I tried following her work afterwards just
because, you know, you have that special connection with a
kdrama, but I would say I definitely think I fell off or
train, you know, probably around like a couple of years after
this one. Yeah, no issue to her but it's
just like but like some of the things got a little repetitive.
So I've been churned into other kdrama actresses but so have a
special place in my heart for her.
That's so nice to hear. I don't think I ever put her
necessarily on a pedestal. I will say that I watched this
drama. You're beautiful.
And I want to say in 2014 so wasn't in 2009, got you.
And I think that I was starting to watch a bunch of POC Shanae
dramas and it's one. I don't, I mean, I'll say, I'll
say my, my first impressions and how I felt in 2014 watching the
show, but passionate we mentioned her in her career, on
The Heirs episode that was very interesting because if you
juxtapose or she feels like Same thing as Lee Min-ho where yeah,
she's not gone out of fashion and the way that she acts in the
types of roles that she took are out of fashion, right?
Like people wouldn't gravitate towards these kind of characters
today, and yes, she's gained a lot of Acclaim, but then when
you look at some of the stuff that made her famous, you're
like, this is not that great, you know, and I feel like this
is one of those roles were you. Like, I don't know, I can't tell
if it's the Hong sisters influence, or if it's her, and
the way that she's Saying, the character that makes me a little
bit annoyed and her in The Heirs is the same thing.
Like she that character had no personality and in my it
probably had nothing to do at all with passion in her
performance. It was just what was on this on
the paper. But yeah, in this case she is
irking me in different ways and again it's probably just what's
on the on the paper. What's on the screenplay that
she's Little bit childish in the show, she's a little bit
bumbling in the show. She's very innocent and dense.
And to a point where you're like, okay, this is like too
much for one person to be this completely dense and like
romantically handicapped at this point.
So, this is Parks and yes, this is passionate in this drama and
that's a little bit of the That really annoyed me.
But like you said, the call, hashtag alive.
My annoying, brother. I said this on the air is
episode. I think, I like her movie work
better than her cage. Rump work.
I think that stands up way better over time.
Then some of them, especially some of these older kdramas that
made her famous. I'm like I can never carry watch
that. So yeah, it's for I definitely
think. The female lead aesthetic was so
cringe back, like, back in the day.
Now looking back right? As like we're you know, older
we're adults. Now, we've been through whatever
our lives and I'm just like, oh my gosh, like that's what like
they were trying to portray as like this is what is attractive
to met. Just being so quiet used and
bumbling and clumsy. And like I don't like I feel
like back in the day I also watched a lot of like anime like
that kind of stuff too. And I feel like it was a similar
messaging back in like the early 2000s like just like clumsy kind
of adult Like really naive and like, I don't know, man.
Like I feel like the stereotypes, it was just through
trying so hard to make us all believe it.
And I think I bought it, I don't know, I'll blank age almost for
my lack of dating life when I was in Middle School because I
was like, yeah, I want to be like really Dulce and clumsy and
that's what people think are cute and it's like, no, that's
not true. Like you should not be spilling
things over yourself, like that is not like a cute little
kitten. So I you have.
Yeah, you have an absolute point there.
I guess we can get a little more into that in a second.
After we cover Jang, geun Suk who plays hon take young.
He is our male lead. What, how do you feel about this
guy? I haven't seen this guy in a hop
in it. Yeah, I at the sounds kinda sad,
but like I don't think I've seen any other kids drama, but he's
in other than this one. I, I just like what I first was
introduced his character, I just thought he was so mean and like
I feel like he plays it to a tee, you know, just like well
this smirk and Like that kind of like this facial expression but
I'm happy to hear that he's coming back.
I just I never really got into his like his character and his
the actor himself but I'm happy to hear that.
He's still got it. Yeah so he's got a comeback
drama which is airing this year maybe even now it's called the
bait, part 1 and 2 and it's just come back down.
He hasn't done anything in like five years.
So this is a big deal and I think, for me, I watched him in
this and I watched him in like a couple like a couple of the
things. I think, Marry Me Marry in 2010
and love rain out. Have you seen love rain?
I haven't no getting. So here's the plot of Love Rain
really fast. Okay, so we're talking in the
70s, a couple, which he plays the, the male lead in the 70s
and what's her name. The one that can't act from
Girls Generation Yoona. Oh okay, so it's him and Yuna in
the 1970s they fall in love through circumstances.
That's like The One That Got Away now, in the present day,
their children fall in love with each other.
They're playing the children now and it's this whole thing of
like, will they won't they get together and act on their
feelings because their parents have reconnected in the present
day and it's like taboo because they could be step sing siblings
this way. Yes.
Yes, yes. So that is the plot of Lorraine
and I was like, this is very Melody.
I remember vividly watching this and thinking this is super
melodramatic and I don't really get what the issue is.
They're not related like any blood at all and it was
frustrating and really weird. And so that was the end of me
watching. Duncan sock on in anything.
Oh man! Yes.
So when I was looking up dramas that he'd been in, I'd be like
okay Bellamy Royal Gambler, some stuff.
Up until 20 to 2018 and now his comeback drama.
And I thought let me just look at the comeback drama.
If you scroll down to the next page in the dock guys.
Hello. I've literally I thought this
day I was like, hold on hold on. Maybe the fact that I didn't
watch pretty much any of his work had to do with I just
didn't find him that attractive which is really, really shallow
of a thing to say but I just have to say like some people
have types and some actors just work for some people and some
factors. I just don't and he was one of
those people that never had an appeal for me.
And then I saw this, these screens stills of his latest
drama, that's coming out this year and I was like, hold on,
maybe he just needs a jab. It and has some facial hair and
I was like, I was like I'm a changed woman.
Do I need to watch this drama called The Bait?
So, yeah, I am intrigued these photos are definitely selling
me. So maybe you and I can talk
about. Okay.
I'm down, I'm down because when I literally was like, hold on,
oh no. I'm in it because he just looks
like an Amman, you know, like maybe it was just, he was to
clean shaven and he just looked a little glossy and they gave
him these crazy outfits. I mean, talk about the crazy
outfits in, just your beautiful this show.
I mean, how can I mean? He's like a freakin citizen of
the All here in Hunger Games versus like a real honest-to-god
person. So you know seeing him in this
getup I think he's playing a detective in this new show,
that's coming out this year in 2023.
And I was like, hey I have I'd like to have a word because I'm
sorry, I apologize for the way that I've treated you all these
years anyway. So that's the man that's our
male lead in the show and then we'll round it out with two
people who I'm sure you're familiar with.
We have a donkey AKA Jeremy and the show and he's from FT
Island. Yes.
And yeah. And we have Jung Yong hwa as she
knew from CNBLUE, which seeing him on screen again, I was like
Whiplash, like what year is it? It's been a minute.
How do you feel about these guys?
And what are some of the mother, or some of the other kdramas
that you've seen them in? Besides, were beautiful?
Yeah. You know, it's kind of Funny.
So like to, you know, give the context again.
I feel like FT Island was like doing their thing and then
CNBLUE is kind of like new boy band of the era.
A so it was kind of like a I don't know like it was a good
mix of both of them coming together in a kdrama.
So I was like 4 ft Island. Fans aka me at the time it was
kind of like oh my gosh, new boy fan and then you get introduced
to Jung yonghwa and you're like, okay, I'm on board.
Look at what a music. Let's let's go.
Now, so both of them. Absolutely.
Love them. I, you know, I think both of
them are my favorites in their respective bands as well.
Like I think they're both great and they're both super talented.
And I think the fact that they were band members in this show,
it was just like everything you want it.
Like it was like a friend thing. You know, that I just like got
written up by itself is so great, but I will say, I
actually did it fall out. You hungie as much as for the
rest of his like kdrama stuff so like, yeah, I've seen too much
of his His roles. I think I've seen Korean Odyssey
but that was kind of it but I think you hot.
Like I started watching his kdramas a lot more after this.
So, heart strings, which came out with Park, seen a kind of
was like the second lead love line that should have happened.
So I definitely watch that right after and then like, yeah, I
think recently he did sell your haunted house that like, kind of
like one in a little bit, but there was also just like cooking
movie that he was in. It's like a Chinese cooking.
Quickly. So familiar.
Yeah, I like I don't know, like if you go on YouTube and it's
always like a popular clip because he's plays, like does
really amazing chef and he does all these crazy chef things and
like it's actually really, really fun.
I if I find the name I'll tell you and week.
Okay later but also a hilarious movie with him in it.
But yeah I feel like both of them.
This was like the biggest K job I've seen with both of them and
then from there it was kind of like, you know, small things
here and there. Yeah, so I really liked both of
them in 2014 more than I did coming back to it.
Especially dong Jung yonghwa, I thought he was a little bit, not
a little bit, he was stiff like as a board.
Yeah. In this in this show, but him
and heartstrings is a, I mean, he's still pretty stoic, but a
little looser and I think, I stopped watching him and stuff
after marry him. If you dare, I If you seen that
show, okay, it's one of the worst kdramas I've ever seen in
my life. Really, in my life.
It was terrible. It was terrible.
Don't watch that show. So if it will actually watch it,
and let me know if you agree that it's terrible.
It was just horrendous, horrendous lie, written and it
starred the female lead for rum princess hours.
I forget her name, so familiar. Yeah.
But she but she was a big name and then I was like, oh my God,
it's her and this guy and I watched it bad for young key.
I watched him in Bride of the century, which was one of those
where he was playing like a chaebol and then he was going to
marry this girl. But then something happened and
they had to get a doppelganger to marry him instead.
And the doppelganger was of course, super sweet, and he fell
in love with her instead of like the real girl.
So that's why it's called like bright as under.
Anyway So love that Joe. I thought it was good and then
modern farmer. I think he was also playing some
like a Kpop idol and then it goes to the countryside.
For some reason I didn't finish out when I dropped it, it was
like really boring and I wasn't in the mood for it, but that's
pretty much it for for these two.
And I feel bad that again. I haven't really watched some of
their other stuff. I've heard great things about
sell your haunted house and I've had not finished a Korean
Odyssey. Which is another Hong sisters
drama. I think I dropped that one.
And like, episode 5 or 6. I was like, hmm.
No, yeah I think I couldn't get behind usagi.
He was like really mean. I was like, that seems to be a
common thing in the sisters never really really mean male
lead and she just Falls for him anyway.
And I was over it. So I thought he was just cruel.
So I didn't finish that one anyway.
All this to say we're The end of this, this intro bit.
Please tell me. What did you do in returning to
this 2009? Show your first kdrama ever.
What did you think? What did you think of your
beautiful? Yeah man.
It's I totally agree that the timing is so important to
understand because if I were to like write this assuming this is
come out in 2023, it would be a very different score than
whatever. Add it back in 2009 you know.
There are so many things that were like more acceptable like
so many more tropes and like I guess the general Vibe of
kdramas was just so different back then but I do think just
because of how ridiculous the show is and like even back then
it wasn't a very serious kdrama and I feel like I'll like
looking back like you don't have to try to think about it in a
serious way. I still think it was very
enjoyable, like I overall enjoyed watching it there is
moments. Like got me laughing like out
loud. Given the fact that there's
still so many things, I was like, are we really doing this?
Like, but like, at the same time, it was still really fun.
So I'm really happy that you brought up this review and I
think it was a great time to like, revisit such an old
kdrama, and talk about it with you.
Thank you for for being game to return to it.
I know that if someone asked me to watch my first kdrama, again,
I'd probably be like, I don't know.
Are you sure that you You want to watch that Caterham so but
this one happens to be quite iconic.
It did it didn't do well at first like on broadcast and had
mediocre ratings but then it gained a cult following when
people started watching the drama online and I was like oh
I'm one of these people that got the export of this drama and you
know had it not been put online and people started raving about
it we probably would just never return to it and wouldn't think
anything. Of it.
So it's pretty interesting to think of it, that way, it
contributes to like the Holly wave, you know what I'm saying?
For for me, I watch it in 2014, and I remember being in my first
apartment and watching this at night and just, I remember being
confused. You see how my eyebrows are
furrowed right now? Like, I was watching it like
that the whole time because I was like, do I love it?
Or do I hate it? I can't tell.
It's very old and even in C14. I thought it looked pretty
pretty old and dated, of course, the production value is in high
like most kdramas have a high production value today.
It's a totally different time period.
And again, I think I was a little more forgiving in 2014
where I was like, you know it is what it is.
Like it's a product of its time and these tropes are very are
familiar for me so it's fine. I can dig my myself into it a
bit but I do remember laughing at the first episode with You
need a as a known and I was like, what is going on?
It's going on, it's so wild. So I think I ended up liking it
and I think I appreciated it more than anything.
When I finished it in 2014 on re-watch.
I was very, how do I put it? It was difficult for me to watch
it and finish it and for some reason I was it was putting me
to sleep. Oh, sometimes he's older.
Kdramas when I returned to them. Like, I'm falling.
I'm following he, he ha ha. And then I fall asleep, but and
I'm like, how did I get here? I was fully awake a second ago
and there's something about it. Maybe it's just comforting that
I know what's gonna happen in a general sense.
So I don't got to be, you know, reading everything so intently.
But yeah. Maybe that's a positive, that
it's sort of a shut your brain off and watch kind of show which
a lot of older kdramas are there very long.
Very light on plot. We said this about The Heirs
thing, to The Heirs episode, where we were like, what exactly
is the plot. Like, I don't think there is one
because it's just kids that hate each other and are rich and they
throw them together in school and like very my note things are
happening to them and in this case it feels very similar in
that. It's malt.
Not giant, big set pieces and all of this Mayhem happening, a
lot of Moving pieces, it's not like the glory and it's not
like, you know, Little Women and all these trendy kdramas that
are coming out in recent years where you're like, this is a
plot. Yeah.
This is not a plot. So I think is again, I was
struck with this balance of like it's making me laugh.
But I what cost, you know, and really annoyed with the male
lead and the female lead pack shinae Just not aged well at
all. What were some of the things I'm
curious to know like that struck you as being woefully outdated
more than other things. Like let's just set aside the
fact that it's not filmed particularly well.
They're their wardrobe is pretty heinous and the hair is a whole
other discussion. What were some of the other
things that you felt were really outdated?
Yeah, I would say, Nowadays, like there's a lot more
character that people put in. So they're kdrama people like
it's like, you know, the story, The multi-dimensional Character.
I feel like it's helped more. I don't people just pour about
more emphasis in that these days.
And I feel like the characters in this show are very, very
one-dimensional. Like, you know, even like the
second lead. Love lines like nowadays, you
know, there's such strong compelling reasons for the
second leads to have, you know, such a strong attraction.
Towards the female lead in this one.
It was like very minimal. It was like, they like you
period. And so I feel like there's just
a lot less flushing out that happened in this cage, AMA,
compared to things now. And I definitely think like,
just the the way that the male lead treats the female lead, I
also feel like that whole dynamic is very outdated as
well. Like it's funny because like
friend and I kind of watched for his episodes and vitals like
looking back. This is so bad.
Bad because I feel like it's hot a whole era of Korean men that
like you can just be really mean to the girl.
You like and those people like you and it doesn't matter, it
doesn't matter. And I'm like yeah that's so
true. Like I don't really feel like
that still exists and kdrama land like you know a little bit
right? Just because it's still kind of
fun. The enemies to Lover's type of.
Yeah. But it's not just so blatantly
mean and like it's just it's like a different level and they
definitely give more back story for all of that versus in this
one. I feel like it was just They
struck a chord for like, oh this is how it's gonna be and then
that was it. And they was just like groveling
and angst to get away from that for the rest of the show.
Absolutely. You have such a, you've touched
on some really great things that I'm sure we can go into a little
more detail in the spoiler section but absolutely the lack
of character development is ridiculous in this show.
Yeah, you're just kind of presented with these people.
They have really one-dimensional personalities.
Jeremy is This bubbly a Kyo like dude who love has loves a his
dog Angelina Jolie and that's pretty much all there is to it.
And each one has their own separate personality and it does
feel like if you gave it a lot of credit you would think oh,
they're making fun of the sort of roles in K-pop groups where
they're like, oh this is the leader.
This is so and so this is the Magna, this is, you know, all of
Of these different where they try and make them super distinct
personality wise, especially when they go on like talk shows
and variety shows and they're like well this one's always got
something crazy to say like this one's always the Loose Cannon.
This was always very serious, you know.
It's like It's a little bit much.
I hear you. I honestly I don't think I can
give them that much credit for it though.
For some of these really OneNote characters.
And the whole thing of like the male lead has to be mean and
she's gonna fall for him anyway. I can't get behind that nowadays
and that was something that really bothered me on this
re-watch as well. Yeah, I know and I honestly will
get into Some more details in a second.
I do have a couple of fun facts for you the which I thought we
should share. So did you notice everyone's
driving an Audi in the show? That's true.
I thought it was funny, so I
looked it up several car companies offered to have their
cars used in the drama, including, you know, the German
automaker Audi. They introduced their Audi S4 on
the miniseries and I thought this was a little bit odd
because Is the only other time where I'm like, wow Audi's was
in Iron Man. And this is literally the year
after Iron Man like was in theater.
So I was like, okay not long after Audi kind of made a global
Resurgence with the Audi product placement.
In the Iron Man movie. So it kind of like track but I
was like wow I've never seen an Audi in another cage.
Rama it felt a little out of place.
I don't know. Yeah, that's true.
Now that you mention it. I do.
Yeah. I feel like they're I mean, I
don't know. They always do the car product
placements and these cake, right?
I'm not a big car person. So I'm like, I'm just like, oh,
that's a cool car and then just focus on something, that's a
cool car. No.
Usually I feel like I'm the same way but then sometimes if I see
something that looks unusual in Korea like obviously if it's a
him that I am like okay yeah that's a Korean car or something
to that effect but an Audi I was like Audi thanks.
So that Was a little bit attention, it caught my
attention. Let's talk about the OST and the
music in the show because this is a big part of This show and
this era of kdrama where you had these musical kdramas like, Shut
Up Flower Boy Band and this one, and oh my God, what was the
band? The Other Dream High was another
one. There was so many, like, musical
kdramas back in the day that spoofed the Kpop industry.
And for this one, I was like, I think I like the songs.
Did you did you feel the same way?
Oh my gosh. I think I would listen to this
OST, like casually like many years honestly.
After I want to skate Jam of that was just like on my, I
don't know, iPod Shuffle or whatever.
It looks like, I love this OST, I assume just because they were
like, this is the heir of kdramas were like, any moment
has a nose T associated with it, you know like you know exactly
how to feel in that moment based off what songs.
He's playing so like yep, it was so overdone but I still think it
was like it was still so good like it wasn't like overplayed.
I was just like I was feeling it, I love the OST.
I think like a lots of Sun. So promise that's the one with a
hoagie and you ha. I was like that was my freaking
jam. It was like the perfect combo of
FT Island CNBLUE. You know, it's such a good song
and then obviously the more emotional ones like without
words and I love darling. The lyrics obviously reflect
the, you know, the main leads feelings and oh my God, it was
so, it was so well done. I'm just I'm such a sucker for
these like old school like music heavy kdramas.
I feel like they're just, I don't know.
They have a special place in my heart so I absolutely love those
too. Yeah.
I think they kind of fell by the wayside and now they're making a
comeback and there's way more now than like, you know, ever
before I feel like I was the one that I watched it.
I was like, oh, This isn't so bad and then I looked online.
Everyone hated it. Only if it's imitation.
Have you seen that one with the sf9 guys?
And the guy from you case? No I don't think.
Okay it's got like modern-day not modern day but like
present-day K-pop stars in it and I thought it was pretty good
and then everyone was like this one sucked and I was like oh
sorry I liked it whoops yeah whoops anyway so that one came
to mind but there's more there's even more The concert footage in
the show, they actually performed a mini concert and
about 25,000 fans showed up, dude, I know and they performed
promise and still Duncan suck, also, saying goodbye and what
should I do? And then pakshi naysaying her
characters theme song. Lovely day.
So that's where you got all of that footage that's like,
interspersed throughout. And, oh, we're going to do
another showcase and like this, they pull from this same concert
that the I did. Yeah.
So I found that really, really fun and interesting that they
actually did have all of these people and I don't know.
I like when they do this, it works every time for me where
they have like a bunch of people at a real venue and they're
singing the songs and they're actually performing and it feels
very believable. And some credit lends, some
credibility to the show. So I was like when they do that
like the movie A Star is Born. Does that too like they
commandeered some Music thankful for.
Yeah, festivals and shows and then they played like music from
the movie. And I think I just recently,
found out for that one. They didn't end up like
broadcasting, the song people, just were reacting to silence
because he didn't want the songs to get out in the public and
have it be circulating online before the movie came out.
So I was like, well, that's even more awkward.
And people were still vibin and they were like, oh my God, it's
Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. So I don't think that's what
Happened here. I think it was just, you know,
they were actually playing live and of course, two out of the
three. Angel members are real
musicians, so it helps it helps for sure.
And I think it actually added for the, the scenes that they
did show like at the very, I don't want to say too many
spoilers but then like, you know, there is a slum scenes or
at least. Yeah, door.
I was like, yeah, important that, everyone's reactions are
genuine, and I was like, I was so happy that they had a real
audience because it made me I feel like this is real, you
know, these people actually care about the artists and it just
adds to the story line. Absolutely.
So I think that it's high time that we get into the spoilers
section. So if you don't care at all
about spoilers, keep listening, or if you want to watch the show
and then come back, you can do that too.
But we'll be back right after this.
You want to come in, all right. So, we talked a lot about the
music, the OSD, the cast house, some of the tropes and some of
the porch rails were really dated.
But now we're in the spoiler section and so, anything goes
Jenny, did you have a space where you wanted to start here
or I think? Maybe because you mentioned the
second male lead and we didn't cover that so much in the
non-spoiler section. Let's talk about the other Angel
member. She knew and Jeremy and how big
Also, just magically fall in love with boxing and sounds
good. So I will say that the second
leads for so I feel like this is a one of those K.
Jamas. So we actually had to Second
leads, not just the one Association who he was, I was
like really on his train and like I don't give him the fact
that like it was really random the way he started loving her
and everything but like you know when I first watched it I was
like completely sold it. In the second time around, I was
like, okay, fine. I like I'll buy it and I thought
that his little date where he's like kind of behind her in
myeongdong the whole time. You know seeing her that may
scream sounds like I freaking love you sinner.
But after that this was so downhill because man's was like
talking in riddles, he was like oh this is one girl that I have
feelings for and she doesn't know and this girl and I'm like
I was like so frustrating I know.
Please just give it to her straight, dude.
What are you doing? And then like you know he would
get upset because she would like blow her off because she would
have no idea what the context was and then he would just be
all like pouty by himself and I'd be like Andrew please likely
do something. This is getting so frustrated.
The I think I want to root for you.
You're obviously you know a nice guy as opposed to the mainland
who's just like super mean to her at.
Like I just I wanted to root for him but you know it's especially
the second time. Watching it.
I was like at a certain point. I was like dude you dug your own
grave? Like you're just gonna have to
deal with this. Like she's not gonna go for you,
you're just not communicating and like the reasons tree like
not communicating, just don't make enough sense.
So I'm sorry buddy. The math isn't math and for
seeing though because like my man's blue like a 30-point lead,
he knew she was a girl before. Take you on did.
Yeah. And he was very sweet and looked
out for her. He had this amazing young The
like you said, where he's falling behind her and like
calling her and saying, like, oh, what do you want for
dessert? And it's like it's super cute
and he just decides to project his feelings onto her and
convinced himself, that she will be receptive to his feelings.
And never actually confesses and never gives her a chance to, to
reciprocity or reject him or anything.
It's always like in The Ether. And he's miscommunicating.
He's speaking in riddles like you said like what the what the
hell is the yoda-like thing that he's doing here?
Yeah. It's very frustrating to watch
him get jealous. When it can actually be fixed.
Like he can fix the situation quite easily and he's so
confusing. I just don't like how he was.
Like, yeah. I have a he like insinuated that
he had a girlfriend and then oh, And apologize to my girlfriend
for The Making Believe making everyone believe that you're my
girlfriend had to do this like down and dirty.
When you just almost got found out in the Press convert, it was
like this whole thing and yeah, he gets upset with her when she
stands him up and he does he's like was going to stand her in
front of a mirror and be like the woman that I was like what
the hell is this? It is so she is so stupid.
--Pid guid, right? Mmm-hmm.
Why would he do this? When he, he knows her.
He knows that she's clumsy. He knows is, she's dense.
He knows, she's innocent. She's really unexperienced,
right? Not just in life, but in
Romance, especially so like what makes him think that he can like
start getting cute with it? Yeah.
And she would read it. It doesn't make sense.
It's like, he blew it. He absolutely blew it, not that
she would have gone with him and, you know, he Would have
worked out. He was very firmly.
The second male lead, and he didn't necessarily pose any
threat to, like the mail. The main couple, but absolutely
frustrating to watch him. On the other hand, Jeremy is a
delight. I love this character.
I think he's adorable and in some ways he's like a better
match for at least, he matches her energy, I would say, because
he's again, very simple, he's very Be kind and childlike, as
well likes to have a good time, always throwing congratulation
parties for everybody. He's so cute and the dog, I
mean, how can you say no to the dog, Angelina Angie?
So when, when Jeremy finds out that she actually likes, pick
Young, It's a huge blow for him and he rides his bus, which I
love the bus thing that he introduced to her.
Because she was having, she had a whole.
I forget which emotional Outburst breakdown that she had,
but he was like, look, why don't you come on this bus with me and
he introduces her to his bus, which is an empty bus line?
Then takes about an hour to go, it's full circuit, the full
route. And in that hour, he can cry.
And he can have this privacy alone time for him to sort out
his feelings. And by the time he gets off the
bus, an hour later, everything sorted and he's back to normal
like quote-unquote normal and it's just this this Sanctuary
for him and he introduces her to this.
It's a great moment when he does that but then when he finds out
that she's she's dating the other member he goes on the city
bus again. And I love that like full circle
moment was, like, why are you on my bus?
This is my bus. I had like, told you about it.
Why can't you leave me alone? And she just sits there, there's
not much the function, it does in that moment, but he does a
really nice. Have a really nice moment here.
It's a really nice performance where he is distraught, he's
crying. He does does the broadcast on
the phone and sings. This children's song, it's very
touching and you feel for the guy.
Yeah, you know, I okay, let me talk about Jeremy Kyle.
Okay. I freaking love Jeremy.
I think from the moment that he Fell in love with me.
Me know, right. And she's just like struggling
because he's like I this is a man and I'm in love with a man,
I guess I'm gay now. Like he's in a state like
struggling with that the entire like 10 episodes where he's just
like, you know what, like I guess if I love him, then I do
like, he's just like needs of makes peace with it finds out.
He's a girl and he's like so happy.
He's like, oh my gosh. Like I I don't have to worry
about my sexuality. Like, this is a normal romance
for me now, like so happy. And then the city bus scene or
man's breaks down. I remember, I was like watching
this at night in 2009 and I was like, sobbing in front of my
desk because I was watching online and I was like, I don't
know. So young at the time, right?
And I was like, legitimately crying so hard at that scene
with Jeremy in the bus because I felt for Jeremy more than I did
for shenmue for this entire, like series.
Like, I felt like Jeremy deserved just as much Does the
second male lead as soon as you did and he was like always so
respectful and but also was like very communicative about his
emotions and I was just like and then when he did his breakdown
from such a happy character to that, I was like I was
distraught as a child watching this show and like, even
re-watching it like I was like, how is it getting emotional?
So like I love to Jeremy as a. Secondly.
Like the whole thing was written really well for him.
Yeah, I agree completely. And you touched on something
that I forgot to bring up in the non spoilery section, but holy
hell. So let's talk about the queer
coding. And the fact that these gender
benders from back in the day, we're like, the precursor to the
BL dramas that we have prevalent today, which are really great.
And I can't wait to dive deep on some of those.
But like, honestly, the fact that Jeremy's questioning his
sexuality throughout much of the first half of the show is like a
huge deal and he just comes to terms.
He I guess I just like me. No, I mean yeah.
And that's all there was to it. Like, he's very, I mean, he's
asking some big questions here. None of the other guys having to
are having to deal with this and he's like one step ahead.
Like, do I like, guys now, yeah, he's very scared about his
growing feelings toward mean them and when he finds out that
she's a girl who's very relieved because it just kind of confirms
that he's not, he's not gay but honestly, Lee.
It could, he was in that direction anyway.
Like, he was like, I like this person as a person.
Yeah, period. So it's really refreshing
refreshing. Pretty Progressive.
And again, a lot of these gender Benders have this element to
them like coffee prince, and Secret Garden.
And the swaps and things that people, I think the other one To
the Beautiful You, which is the sports romance where she got
like a ghost and takes her brother's spot in a sports
college. I think they In Vibe you saying?
Yeah, and again, I'm not knocking the whole she's going
masquerading as her brother because this is Tale As Old As
Time. Okay?
Shakespeare did it Twelfth Night?
All right, it's old everyone does especially with the twins
thing. That's yes, straight Twelfth
Night, right? Hmm.
I think that it's fun to go back and think, like, what were, what
were people thinking, how are people may be feeling about this
back? In the day and I think more than
anything. It's a way to get some
Progressive forward-thinking in a pill that people can swallow.
Because this is Jeremy, is a very fun, charismatic character,
and he's sitting here like dealing with his feelings and
it's comical, like people just laugh at it.
But in the back of their minds, I mean they have to be wondering
like, oh my God. Like is he, who knows?
Yeah, so it's very interesting and I don't know if you Had any
thoughts about some of these storylines?
That now we don't we don't really have any more because we
just go straight to the source which is, you know, be Ells and
girl loves stories as well. Yeah, no, I think it's super
important that they did that because like, I don't know, like
I've never had to go through that myself, right?
But I'm sure it is one of those moments where you're like, hmm,
like you start questioning yourself and it is like a
struggle that you have to go through delay, come to terms
with it, but I totally agree with Jeremy's character where he
was Like I think they painted him as such like a not like it
just like as such a like a happy positive person that it was like
he just was able to reach that conclusion.
And you know, along the way they obviously painted a lot of more
like comical kind of like scenario driven things just to
make it more lighthearted. But like at the end of the day
like when he is on the bus the first time with me Nam and he's
like for this hour, I will just like you and he like comes to
that conclusion and like States it I was like that's a big
that's a big step, you know? Like for justice guy that like
come to conclusion to so II do agree like I think it's really
important that they they kind of like touched on some of these
like transitioning moments back then.
And yeah I'm sure like will see some of that you know, in
today's world as well. But it was.
Yeah, it was cute. The way that they had framed it
in this kdrama. Mmm.
Absolutely. I feel like just last word on it
I just Eel-like and nowadays, we'd rather not that we'd
rather, but the stories are a little more serious in nature
and they're not like rom-com esque, and so light.
And fluffy like, consider either one class which has a trans
character in it and that was not played for Laughs that much in
that show at all. It was very much, a serious
social commentary on Korea and, you know, the state of the lgbtq
community. So it was It's so interesting to
see how just like a few years later, we're getting these kind
of Stories versus Jeremy and his struggle in the first 10
episodes paired with all of the other hijinks that happens with
these characters. You have this one light cute
character, people love him as it is and he's got this little
struggle, what he's doing with which is actually pretty
important for sure. So I like that.
I think lossing I want to say on the second leads is I will say I
was really disappointed that the And that we didn't get like our
Union between mean, mm. You know mean yo and the second
leaves like it was literally I mean the last episode was
basically everyone telling take him like Hey figure it out buddy
like you gotta just put your pride aside and get it right but
at the very end like we get like the big Grand gesture between
the main love line. But then like there's I feel
like there's a lot of friendships along the way
between mean um and the second two guys and it just stopped
that like we never really saw All that part of it.
And I was like, oh, I would have loved to just see them all
actually still be friends because they spent a lot of time
together and sure there was like these romantic feelings, but I
still feel like there was a lot of friendship things.
I was going on to. So I wish that I had gotten
that. At the end, you make an
excellent point that the ending doesn't really bother with
wrapping up her friendship with the other Angel members, this
other lie to others, secondary leads and it's a bit of a shame
because it's not It isn't just about the romance like you said,
it is about the friendship that you forged with them and how
they came to truly care for her. We do get like, even in other,
like Boys Over Flowers, we get an ending with all ff4, and come
Dundee. And it's like, okay, we have
like, we know what happens to all of them.
We know that how her relationship is with all the
members still. Yeah.
And we don't get this kind of moment with her and the boys, we
just got it with her and Young. Yeah, which is a bit.
I mean Yeah, it's a quibble but I agree with it completely.
Let's talk about the male lead. So we already said that.
He's like mean, he's a prickly personality and she is very
childlike as we said before. And what is this?
Like, I, we talked about this briefly in the mr.
Sunshine episode, where, what does it say that?
Is it Is it subscribing to some sort of like Purity Concept in
the Korean Society, where you have these very childlike egg
yolk inexperienced, obviously virginal female leads, and then
you have these really mean, grumpy, male leads and they do
everything wrong, they make every mistake, they say, all the
wrong words that they still end up together.
So, I don't know, I think it's the same thing like mr.
Sunshine's way more recent, but you know, that was also with the
added bonus of, he's much older than her.
There's a giant age Gap and the female lead is much younger.
She's in her 20s. So, I don't know.
In this case, they take it a step further because she's a nun
and like training to be a nun. And it's very much the sound of
music all over again or she's catching feelings.
You don't know what to do. She's scared and she's doing all
these really crazy, ridiculous things.
She's doing the pig face being, I was over it.
I was over at the second time she did I was like, where does
this is too much every time I cute anymore, lat, I'm sorry.
I think like I don't know, this is like a common Trope.
I socially that was like bigger. I think before like back then
with like yeah your kdramas I will say they always try to
redeem the male lead in some way and sometimes they succeed but
like most of the time. They don't like, right?
Like I'm sorry taking. I'm like sorry, you have really
bad mommy issues. Like she seems like a really
terrible person but like yeah, it also doesn't justify like
one. Thing happening in your past for
you to be just an asshole for the rest of your life, you know.
Like that's like I just feel like they always try to do that
with the male leads and like I don't know, probably when I was
younger when I was sort of watching this, I bought it.
I was like, yeah, you know, sad boy, sad, boys can do bad things
but like now that I'm older, it's like no, like you got it.
Like if you have problems go find help.
Like, don't take it out on this innocent female who's just
trying to be nice to you. And like, yeah, something that's
like frustrating is like, you know, Miss always.
So nice and even when she does the nicest things, I feel like
taking is like really rude about it, like, there is a scene
where, like, on his birthday, you know, he's like he has this
whole confrontation with the mom.
The mom forgets his birthday. So he goes back to the recording
studio and he's like really sad. She sees it and she's literally
like running to the convenience store trying to like buy him
water, replace the life and do like the nicest things for this
guy and literally he confronts her and he's like like did you
cause another problem again or at least know something along
those lines. And I was like, yeah.
Like really, you know, just like be nice and they try to show the
kind side of him and I get that, that's what the drama writers.
And, you know, they tried to make it seem like he's a nice
guy with a bad boy like outside, but like, sometimes it just
doesn't fly after like that many episodes, you know.
And like, I don't know, going back, like, like, I feel like
the rough, like exterior. Like, sometimes you just need to
drop that earlier on and not on the very last episode for us at
them be like, okay, We're like rooting for the couple so I
don't know. That was always like a weird
part like even when the first watch it, so now, like
re-watching, I feel like the main lead.
A couple romance was always like a little bit like hard to
swallow because of how quickly he can be.
Yeah, he's super unpleasant. He's rude.
He's constantly making wig out like he's always like, why is he
always doing that face? The pouty face, the angry pouty
face. He's not nice.
And there's no reason for her to to like him to fall for him,
he's male again, I think that The the the fact that it's
written by a woman is really annoying to me to women, right?
Is that you, you, they perpetuating this, this Trope,
this this cliche that she's just going to fall for him, no matter
what. And I don't see why I don't
really care about his mommy issues.
And the entire backstory, the fact that the Hong sisters tried
to get us to believe that maybe they were siblings, and would
dick you'll get out. Out with that nonsense, which we
again we had way more of that back in the day was like, oh
they kind of fall for each other.
Then it's like, hold the phone. They might be siblings.
I don't understand why they need to do this to us emotionally.
Like now, I just feel achy about it, flaky behind offices.
And I'm like, I don't need to feel this way like so I'll try
to make them related. I hated that.
I still do gross. I hate it.
Yeah, so things like that. And then it just got even more
complicated. The backstory.
I don't care. So, his stress, the fact that he
can't work out. His trauma is very frustrating
to me because it's not like she doesn't have trauma, she has
trauma, but she's not a dick. So I don't get why it's okay for
him and not, okay, for her. Something else that made me
upset was that she was, I don't know what the word is, but she
was always putting herself down. And she was like, oh yeah, I
won't be a bother. Don't worry, I'll stay away from
you. I'm not going to cause any
issues. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
And he was very arrogant and prideful and wouldn't apologize
when he knew he did something wrong or said something mean and
it was just him doing very tiny gestures to try and make up for
it or show the audience that he cares.
And again it's not enough, it's really toxic and I don't like
Like how she is constantly trying to make up for wrongs
that she didn't do? And yes, yes she's clumsy but
like if you spill a glass of water, like there's nothing like
what what else you want to do? She's gonna clean it up and say,
sorry. And that's fine.
Yeah, but it was on an endless loop throughout the show and,
you know, I just, I think we challenge shows more than then
this now, right? We don't kind of let this be the
end-all be-all of a show. And again, that's the problem.
L'm I guess what the show is that there's not much plot and
this is like the conflict. Is them just having these little
little arguments and little things and she's constantly
losing things and finding things like the hair clip thing.
I got the hair clip like third time or whatever.
She loses that hair clip. I was like girl just throw it
away. Oh my God.
We are over there clip now you know, like and I totally agree
with you where it's like I feel like She has a lot of like,
self-esteem issues, right? And I'm sure it's just she has
like a pretty rough pass so like maybe that's what feeds into it
but like it does suck that. He never really brings her up,
you know? It's just like I agree nowadays
like we challenged these things a lot more waddling like
probably back then when we watch it was like fine.
This was just normal like you did think about it.
But yeah like dude looking at this a second time it's like
just because you make your really cute stuffed doll with
like like a pig nose on a rabbit.
Stuff like that doesn't mean that you're actually being kind
to hurt, you know. It's like we, as viewers can see
you care. But like, you need to be better
about communicating that because this is not the right way to
handle relationship. So I totally get you.
Like they, she is very down on herself and like everyone around
her. Praise on that.
And it's just, it's not a, its it is pretty toxic, like, even
like the code Uncle good, people like the manager guy, you know,
he's like you That to his Advantage.
I mean, obviously the actress. Hey, she's like, you know, she's
just freaking pokin holes all up in her self-esteem and we can
get into them later. But like yeah, I just it sucks
that even the main Loveline, the male lead just doesn't seem to
really help her self-esteem and lift her up.
It's just, you know, all this back-and-forth of like favors
and, you know, that kind of stuff, which is not the best way
to start a relationship, but I guess it worked for them.
So, yeah, speaking of their relationship.
What did you think of the overuse of the star analogy?
Oh, my gosh. Robbed.
Our okay. Are you gonna hate me for this?
But I kind of loved it. Oh my God, it's so cheesy.
But it was perfect for that time, you know, like I hated it,
but I loved it. You know what I mean?
It was like so over you. Is, it was so like gross, at a
certain point we were like really, like I can't see you in
the dark. I can see you in the light.
Like, all of those. It's so overdone, but I don't
know, man, 09 kdramas, like these overuse tropes.
Like I kind of the cheesy side of me is like, oh, I love it.
We gooey like just like let's let's love each other.
Like we're stars and the star necklace and you're my star,
your mind. Oh God, I kind of loved it.
I'm sorry. I think I loved it when they
first did it, which I think was an episode 7.
They get lost in the woods. Woods.
Yeah, something at night is night blindness, which Allah I
guess yelling weakness. Yeah, one weakness.
He has night blindness and he can only see the moon.
She calls the moon, a star, and then he corrects her, which is
like, again, like to shut up. Like, it's don't have to
correct. Every time she says something
slightly wrong. She says, even if the moon is
not a star, the Moon is useful. Mmm.
She ends up saying that I'm like the moon that's just clinging to
you. Who is like the And he says, the
moon isn't useless, no matter how many other stars are are at
night. All I can see is the moon, which
is like, it's very Swoon worthy. Basically saying, all I see is
you, hmm. Which is fine.
Then they beat a frickin dead horse.
Yeah, with this star analogy over and over and over, and
over. Oh I can't see my star.
Oh I'm unable to see my star right now.
Oh my star shining so bright and like shut.
Oh my God. I hated it because they just
they did they overdid it? Like to be quite honest with
you, if they had just referred to it one or two more times at
really good points throughout the rest of the show, I would
been totally fine with it, but the fact that the get, it was
like every episode, she's referring to him as a star, he's
referring to her as the star, the moon, the sun, whatever, and
I could not deal with it. I was very I mean, maybe I'm
just colder now than I was in 2014 but I was like, oh my God
so much I get, you know, like I totally understand where you're
coming from. Uh, agreed.
That it was 100% over adopt, but I feel like the o9k JAMA things
are just over done from the acting to the osts to these
cheesy tropes. Like everything is so
over-the-top over Don and that's not like, I'm not gave it a
certain charm and I feel like I totally understand now you're
like, oh my God. So much, but I think in that
time it was, it was okay. And that was like, you know,
part of the reason why people love the K jobs because it was
so much, it was just so right at the top.
So I don't know. I feel like it's a, you know,
it's relative now to like look at these things.
Speaking of relative, let's talk about his mom because she's
definitely a billion of the show.
And What the hell is going on with her?
I just thought I haven't seen it.
So that's the same mom from the airs.
Okay. Okay.
And it was like, she's actually the worst mom ever.
She abandons. Her child, I've really kind of
lows, her son and was obsessed with this song, writer who she
sang his song once and now she's Kind of on the downhill trend
for popularity and she wants to redo the song.
She's trying to like pigeonhole her son into producing the song
and like I do not give a shit and then at the end she we find
out. She's completely delusional
because she stole the song bought the song from under
menials mom and who's an up-and-coming singer and the
recorded the song believed her. Her own bullshit, that the song
was written for her. The, the songwriter menials dad
wanted to get back with her. And it's like what?
Yeah, is this? Yeah, really messy.
It's really messy. I genuinely just disliked her
character from the beginning to the end.
Like she had no Redemption Arc like none of her reasonings.
Made me feel bad for her like just not.
She was. So she's just such a villain.
And like, to be honest, I didn't know.
Why her storyline kept coming up?
Like literally I would be like all on the in gel train you
know, blah blah blah. And then we go to like the mom
and I feel like like why are we here?
Why are we talking about hard to Mom and the aunt at some to in a
room together? It just gives me so much
anxiety. Like I do not want to see on the
video on the screen right now. Like give me back my my people,
you know and so I just didn't know where they were going to do
what Their storyline. I guess at the very end, you
know, her whole situation with Minami.
Is Dad and I all that. Like, that was what broke the
main couple up. So I was like, okay, I guess
that's why she was a focus even at all for this show.
But yeah, I totally agree with you.
I was like, I do not care about all of your just delusional love
things in your head. Like you're a terrible person
for abandon your son in the hospital.
You're a terrible person for like stealing music and like,
you know, trying to tell yourself that it was for you.
And like all of her scenes were just such a downer.
So you just, yeah. Thinking and sad and
manipulating people like the entire time and I was like, girl
get off screen like I do not care about get off the screen.
Yeah she was super self-destructive a terrible mom
and I okay so here's the thing, I don't mind when moms are
flawed, people are human, that's fine.
This lady didn't even try. Okay.
Yeah. Just tear did not even try and
the flashback that taking only has as a child like he was
eating with his mom. Out in a restaurant and she's
like don't make trouble for me and makes him eat shellfish
shrimp and he she doesn't remember the, he's severely
allergic so he just Downs the shrimp anyway, trying to not
make make waves, and he starts like having an allergic reaction
starts coughing and like Breathing heavily and she's just
like don't make trouble for me. Go to the bathroom quietly and
he has like I don't even know what he did to end the the
attack that he was having but this Flash Maxine was like very
telling and super heartbreaking and yeah, obviously he'd have
trauma. Yes, he has abandonment issues.
Yes, he has mommy issues as a result of this terrible woman.
But like do I really feel for her at any point?
No. Do I feel for the aunt?
At any point mean yells Aunt, who comes to live with the boys
and then leaves and tries to get the money out of the royalties
for the song that they're reading, shut up.
Yup. I don't care grade, a grade.
Okay, so let's start talking about hey who I think is a
actress and she starts causing a lot of issues and trouble.
She thinks she's a second, female lead.
She's not like okay yeah. At home girls also.
So delusional. And she's just like mean for no
reason. And like I hate that she was a
villain because I feel like mean, mm or me know She should
not have given this random lady. So much power over her or it
just is causing all these problems.
And at the end of the day, I feel like hey did not like
suffer as much as I thought she would.
She's like my friends with fucking Mi Nam now.
And I'm like, what? Like this is.
So okay, sorry to me like oh not her thing.
Just really irked me know. It hurts me too because she's
smart. Mhm.
She's very quick intelligent. She's intuitive Of and she
figures everything out really early and she's manipulative,
but like, you got to give her props because she's getting info
where other people were, like, the weren't gonna give her
anything. And she was pretending to know
the secret, and then she figures it out honestly, very admirable
qualities. Like in a in any person like
she's very resourceful. She uses her powers for evil and
she's constantly bullying mean yo.
Yeah, and manipulating her and menials like She has no powers.
She has no, no way to retaliate or, you know, out think like,
hey e. So it's very frustrating to
watch her because she's, it's like a cat playing with a mouse,
you're like, okay, the mouse is never going to give away here.
Yeah, for sure. And I just feel like so much of
the plot moving forward is driven by just how mean Hayes
and I just don't love that. Like, like I think we touched on
this earlier, what the character development, right?
But like, people are making decisions.
Because they're getting different or becoming better as
characters. They're making decisions because
some really mean actress, lady is forcing you to do certain
things. And I just right, I hated that
she was just this overused plot device like over and over and
over again. Like the reason why the boys
find out that means a girl. Like that's because of hey you
know and like every single step of the way it's just hanging in
the background being like you let me make this happen and like
she even when she dumped water on me now.
The state Kerry moment. Oh my gosh.
I just that whole thing. I was just like, why is he
behind all of this? Like, I just really, really
disliked her as a villain and like, I totally give it to her,
though. You're totally right.
Where she is smart and resourceful.
And she's like, the only person that is not who's, like,
figuring things out. But, like, yeah, just
frustrating that she's just such a one-dimensional villain, we
don't even get a reason. Why, like, I don't even know why
she really I came into the picture of than the fact that
like she just didn't like, how take him like treated her maybe
and then suddenly fell in love with him to like it was know
what I thought that was funny, was that she believed her own
hype like they were like, they say, we're a great couple of.
Yeah. So like we should be a great
couple and I'm like, lady. What are you doing?
Like, she's believing the headlines and her own hype which
is rather stupid like in the grand scheme of things like we
Just like iping of her, her intelligence and like she's over
here, just kind of like, I have this great guy and you're like,
no, like it's a fake relationship, fake, fake dating
Trope. And yeah, she's believing that
she can make a real and it's quite sad to see her just sort
of banging her head against the wall and torture menial.
And sorter the guys torture Tick Young.
Because Tekken clearly like wants nothing to do with her and
she like, she's inviting herself over and having them make her
lunch and, you know, different photo shoots.
She invites herself on things and they're like, what do you
what it actually. What are you doing?
Yeah, it's pathetic. She's pathetic.
Like ultimately, I just couldn't, I can't stand when
they just, I can see her doing it a couple times.
Is it was throughout like the show.
She didn't learn any lessons, she didn't have any sort of
Reckoning at the end. She I think proof of her.
Redemptive Arc is a, she doesn't tell the reporter, the truth and
say, yeah, mean yo is mean, mm? Yeah.
She's playing her brother. Which I guess it's like the bare
minimum, right? Like don't say anything but then
she sort of gives it away as well when she like, pretends to
faint and the reporters. Like, just not, if you think
that I'm like, oh my God, so she sort of gives it away and then
she tries to warn them. So I thought that was her
Redemptive Arc. That was pretty much it for her.
And then me now, I'm the real me Nam has a crush on her.
Evidently my gosh. I was so frustrated.
Stated I was like, okay first of all they connect with your
sister, or maybe just download about how terrible this lady is
before. You're even like, I don't know,
like buddy-buddy with her like, oh, so bizarre.
I just, yeah, you know, II something else that was really
bothersome to me, is the fact that the twins do not in any
way, shape, or form seem like, siblings to me, they don't know
anything about each other. She had no clue at all.
That her brother was trying to be a KPop star.
Trying to get into this company and was like, she had no idea.
Yeah. And then vice versa when the guy
comes back. Her brother comes back of
evidently. They have no, no conversation,
no contact, she's missing in action.
The boys don't know where she is.
The brother doesn't give a shit. Evidently, yeah.
I'm like, what kind of family is this?
They're all they have, they have nobody else.
No other family. The aunt sucks.
It's and that's it. They don't have Mom.
They don't have a dad, they grew up in an orphanage.
I don't understand this relationship, so I don't know if
you had any feelings for that. I have a little sister and I'm
like we're constantly texting like, hey, I'm at Publix.
Do you need anything? Like, you know what I'm saying?
Know, for sure. It's just there's so much, like,
like I think at the very beginning, they tried to
establish the Minami, no relationship.
Like they were both on the Carousel and the kids were all
bullying them. And then they were like, you
know, me now, like I'll find her parents or something like that
and I was like, okay so they have relationship and then from
there on it was just like absolutely nothing about radios,
brotherly relationship. Like also like, yeah, I get
that, he's in the US and C's recovering from surgery, but
like, would you guys not like message each other?
Like, yes, you not have phones. Like, maybe talk, like, have a
heart to heart to be like, you know, this is tough for me.
Like, do you really want this, like something to give us
something for that relationship? And it was just like, Like
nothing. And I honestly, I will say when
I watch the show, like, I took it at face value the first time
around because I was like, hey, you know, it's just such an
afterthought and it's like, you're just so focused on
menials life and inside of angel that you're not even thinking
about what the real mean on this doing, right?
But like now the second time watching it, it's just so
bizarre. So, sleep with the ending where
you're just like, but like the brothers getting, with the
person who's so mean to Sister the whole time, like it's like
what? Yes, like this is relationship.
Could have easily been solved when menial was like, Hey, that
bitch was a bitch to me. Yeah, Peter thanks.
Don't even look at her. Yeah, one sentence.
I'll be like, oh, really weird? Okay, never mind.
That's all it takes. She doesn't have to even go into
detail and be like she did x y z to me.
She threw some water on me. She stole my hair clips you
live. Uh, no.
She doesn't need to go and see even that much detail.
Yeah. She just needs to be like stay
away from that hope and that's it.
Like, I would have been Enough. I would have been.
Okay. Yeah.
So weird and plus like I feel like with me not like the real
mean on, we never really get much of like how he integrated
into the groove because I bet that was so freaking weird for
him to write because it's like yeah he went from having mean
you know, like pretending to be him now actually having the real
guy and it would have been like I would have thought there would
have been some fun moments there, probably could have been
like, you know, like it Grecian and like, are they friends like
that? They get along at the end, we
like, how did that all go but like nothing.
Nothing there, it's missing content.
You know what I'm saying? Like, how is it 16 episodes?
And then they get to the end. You're like, but wait, what
happened to, like how did we get here?
And it could have been a neat as easy as now they have mean, um,
the real guy and the three of them are trying to like, suss
him out and they offer him water, hot tea, or juice all
over again, the same thing that they did to me.
Neil and he chooses soda or said, like something off a wall,
not even an option. He's not even picking sides
between the three guys and they're like, oh, that alone
would lend a lot of like, filling the gaps.
You know, what I'm saying? Between?
Okay, mean, you left to find herself, figure out her feelings
heal, whatever. Mmm.
And now they have a brand new member that they have to
establish rapport with. Like how do we get to the end of
the show so it's not done well back then.
Also, I feel like the end episode was never really a big
Focus, you know, like a boy, this is common for a lot of
older cage on this or it's like, the inkstand all that is like
the big focus and then to the end, it's kind of like, okay,
we're writing everyone off like put a bow on it, tied up, like,
send it out, you know, that's it.
And I feel like nowadays, it's actually like I don't like we're
super critical that on post a playlist, but I feel like I'm
sure you are as well, your cage on reviews, but like the ending
is so important because that's like the last impression your
left. Yeah.
When you watch a kdrama and I feel like with your beautiful
like I, you know, first time watching I loved it and then the
ending even then felt like really sudden for me I was like,
oh okay I guess it's just done now and I feel like nowadays
there's a lot more emphasis on that versus back then.
Like that was almost normal like people didn't like she wasn't
due back. Badly because the ending was
bad. You know, great observation
that's a fantastic observation. There was more about the journey
than the destination and I want the wedding, I want this, I want
that and it's like you know back back then that wasn't a focus.
They weren't people are already going to show.
If the ratings were high, people were already going to show up
for the finale. They didn't need to do anything
special, to Foster more word of mouth or, you know, get people
in other in dollars an international audience.
There was I'm really an international audience outside
of East Asia in 2009. So you know what I'm saying?
Like there's been thinking about different things now in
different audiences and you're absolutely right.
That like the closing episode wasn't wasn't a thing.
Yeah, I also feel like now because like back then like, you
know, you watch this on TV or, you know, as they came out first
right now it's like, you know, streaming culture like that's
where everyone watches kdramas outside of, you know, Korea.
You know, everyone Is it on a streaming platform?
And like re-watch ability is something I feel like people do
think about now Morris? Yeah, maybe than before, because
before I was like, it's on TV. It's done, you know, the ratings
are good, okay? Like period end of story versus
now it's like can we keep people like you know interested in
these shows coming up to multiple Seasons now to like
it's like a different Focus so I don't know different different
like things that people care about these days.
Yeah can we sell it overseas can.
Go on Netflix, and it go here. And that's, I don't know if I
necessarily agree with that either, but there is like a
point to be made. Like this is they were focused
on different things back then. And this was largely for the
Korean audience, and I maybe like the Korean audience, just
didn't like, they were like, I just want them to get back
together and that's that. Yeah, not that.
It has to be this, like, Grand gesture and have all of these
points and needed to be checked off at the end.
Like we feel today. You know, speaking on that, I
feel like I didn't remember the ending as much as I remembered
other things in the show. Yeah, you know, like the
performances, like some of the photo shoots?
I remembered. I remembered the final episode,
I think where she again, they're like, oh mean Times missing he's
in whatever City it's not going to make it back the company.
President wants demands to see him because he's good feeling
some type of way. He's very suspicious that
they're pulling a fast, one on him or something.
So we need you to be mean, I'm again, and I'm like oh I
remember this whole thing, she gets drunk and pick young
recognizes her and takes her home and it's like I remember
that scene. I remember her like slumping
over on his lap and he's like he like realizes oh it's my God.
Oh my God, she was missing all the stock.
All that stuff. I remember her seeing Mother
Superior. Carrier a bunch and like
watching she kept praying to Mother Superior and I'm like,
but that's. Is that even a thing?
I don't know. I'm not Catholic.
So I was like, that seems a little wrong, isn't it?
But like, Mary not Brothers. Why is she praying to the Mother
Superior? I feel like she was, like,
trying to talk to the Mother Superior like as in like, give
me advice, you know, yes. You know what I mean?
It's kind of like, yeah. I don't know.
I guess Mother Superior is kind of like her mom.
This is Tuition, because she is. Yeah.
Is like there and agree. Like there were definitely
things that stood out more so than the very end.
And I think it's just for me, is more the comedy scenes that
really, really made this show. Great for me, like the random,
like, remake to stay did so much like the side side scenes, you
know, that explain it while. But like, for example, every
time Jeremy likes his imagination runs wild.
I think it's so funny. The Watch the actors like act,
so like dramatically and you know, for the sake of his
imagination or they'd also did a bunch of like parodies to which
I think. Yeah, it's a time, it was so
fun. I feel like around that era
parodies are such a big thing. Like just everyone was doing
parodies of famous movies. Famous scenes, famous
commercials even, you know, they integrated a lot of those into
the cage. I was like, I actually remember
a lot of those parodies more so than like some of the drama
scenes. Is there are just like shots so
funny in a way and I love my agree.
I agree. And that was some of the best
stuff was the comedy bits and the parodies the spoofs.
The fact that I mentioned this earlier about the Hong sister,
sort of subverting expectations and tropes.
I think an episode when she gets drunk and you think that she
fought, she falls on Tick Young and you think that they kiss,
they didn't she vomited in my God.
So that's like a subversion, right?
You think? They had the, you know, smash
lips together and they're embarrassed, because of that.
No, she's mortified because she vomited in his mouth.
So that's like, a subversion of the Trope.
I like, she goes into, they go into the, the showers on the
second floor of the building at some point, and she just
finished up a shower, but she sees them naked and they cover
the modesty clouds with people. So, yeah.
And she envisions them as like little cherubs and then they
turn into like children and that helps her, like, get out of the
situation. She's just like, taking herself
out of it. Mentally.
Let me see. They lock up in one of these.
Like, I don't know how to describe it, but you, you're
talking about it where they have like, an imaginary scenario and
they film it, and it's a parody. And they did a parody of old
boy, okay? Cause the, do you remember Are
you really so so funny. I totally that one really stood
out to me too. Yeah wait dumpling scene is I
call? Yes I think oh my God.
She gets stuck on the top of a moving truck at one point.
Yeah. Then she like tosses the phone
or something and it lands on top of the truck.
She goes to get it and passes it back to take you on and The
truck starts moving and she's like, tolling on he doesn't
notice. And that's like really funny.
Got it slapstick, right? Slapstick, comedy, that kind of
stuff. We don't get like.
That feels very old school, kdrama to have like, a screwball
comedy. Yeah, yes.
There's hijinks and kdramas all the time especially with a light
rom-coms, but this type of like outrageous outlandish stuff.
Meaning is, is really kind of old school and it's nice to see
a nice to return to. So, yeah, I miss it, like,
honestly, like when I was younger, I feel like that's what
I loved about these like rom-coms, because the comedy was
so, like, out there in a dumb way, but it just made me really
laugh. And now like, I don't know, even
the rom-coms like I feel like there's not too many crazy
comedy moments like, yeah, and it's like, I kind of miss it
because I made things. Feel unserious and versus know,
it's like, everything is so serious.
And the little bits of Comedy. Like, don't like, like, don't
like, I don't know. Like over.
Yeah. But it wasn't bored.
Am I looking for? Like it doesn't like they're a
little more highbrow. Yeah, more highbrow forces, this
is lowbrow. She what was it?
One time she goes, she's are sleeping in the same room and
she, the manager gives her a taser gun just like he tries
anything. If he looks at you a certain way
just like, Him. Yeah, so she manages to tase
herself. Oh girl and collapses on top of
him and they like she sleeps on top of him, the rest of the
night, but the fact that she manages to tase herself and said
is like you would never see that in the kdrama made in 2023 or
recently. So, yeah, it's it's a lot.
It's so much but it's what makes these dramas?
Good. And I feel like, going back to
the characters to it's like if the main female lead was not so
clumsy and just like, oftentimes frustrating to watch.
Like, I've like, they couldn't get away with some of these
really dumb kind of Comedy moments.
Like yeah, we're like the going on a moving car.
Like those things wouldn't have stuck because like you'd been
like why would a normal person have done something like that
but because she's the way she is and this character like it does
help lend to that comedy aspect. Yeah.
So Some other comedy that it sort of delves into comedy, but
it's the portrayal of like the K Idol industry in general because
I feel like they're, they're definitely talking about
specific like it's a specific culture that they're talking
about in the show and this was 2009.
I don't feel like much has really changed.
Don't I'm saying, yeah, I totally agree.
I mean, they touch on it a lot and I guess, like, in this show,
Angel is kind of like a more Lished group now.
So, they're not like, kind of the rookie.
Like, they're like, big and Korea, right?
And so they talked about a lot of things they have to do is
work. He's like the really dumb
reality TV shows that they had to do.
And like, yes, you know, the radish eating scene with the
most ridiculous but like, I don't know, I just think is
interesting, especially the second time watching this where
I caught a lot of those moments where it says, you know, the
first time I feel like it kind of went over my head but I was
like well, you know, they are really talking about the things
that these Idol trainees have to do.
In order to promote their group and artists like make it big in
this world. And plus, I feel like some of
the things that they mentioned that were kind of just in
passing. Just felt really like
exploitative in a way like it was like the whole sticker
thing. I don't know if you remember,
but it was like, they go into a shop on taking one's birthday
and they're like, oh there's stickers and like the group had
like no idea that that was a thing and I was like they're
like this is literally your image, you know?
Like it's just kind of like subtly in the back.
Ground at that. It was like oh they're just kind
of taking advantage of your idol image and like you don't really
know what is being passed around to the fans and to everyone.
Yeah. And now you've been like, the
whole reason why, I mean, you have to step in, to pretend to
be mean on was because the manager told me time to get eye
surgery and I was, oh, yeah. Like I was like, okay.
Like we just really brushed over that right?
Because it's like, oh yeah, right fun, but like now watching
the kennels like do this kind of stuff like I get it.
This tree and maybe that's what people have to go through, but
it's like, man, like you have to get surgery just to do it like
that. I don't know, just doesn't sit
right with me the second time watching it and I feel like it
was just so different back. Then that I didn't even think
about it. But now I'm like man that's not
cool. Absolutely and they play for
Laughs because the managers like I just told him to get a little
work done before he signed the contract.
Yeah. Now he's sleeping like this and
he doesn't look like he crosses his eyes and I'm like, what kind
Kind of syrup. Where did they take?
It was just a back-alley plastic surgery that they had because
Korea's like the plastic surgery, capital of the world,
so it makes no sense that his surgery was botched to that
effect. And then he had to go to the us
so that I could fix it and he can recover weird.
I was like none of this makes any sense.
But yeah. Absolutely.
The underlying like thesis is that they all have to change and
get plastic surgery to look a certain way to appeal to a
certain audience. And that's just normal.
That's not asking a lot of these people that's just bare minimum
is that they need to look their best.
They need to have the double eyelid surgery.
They need to have fun nose job. They need to have their face
shave in. They need to, you know, work out
and look good. And it's like very Problematic.
Yes, even though like it's a cycle and we feed into it and
whatever and talking about, we like fans in general, the fans
that are camped out outside the company at all hours.
I was very, I remember watching in 2014 and thinking, what are
they doing? I don't understand why, they're
just outside all the time. Are these students like I had
all these questions? Now, I understand that this is a
take on like the SAS saying fans who are constantly following
around. Round.
Yeah, their Idols to the detriment and like secure
security Hazard of their favorite Idols.
So it's very problematic and the way that like the media is
portrayed as well is very toxic and weird and the paparazzi is
it's not just like the paparazzi's following them
around. It's like they're writing
incendiary like gossip about them and it's affecting their
lives. Their careers.
And they have to Blink play along and the fake dating thing.
And yeah, I mean, all of it is not wrong.
Look, they're still not. It's not an accurate to to have
all of these things going on in the periphery Four Angels.
So it's sad. Yeah, it really is and like even
the fan thing, you know, I would have loved to see the fandom
been more toxic almost. Like if we could have invited
them to be more of the villain roles I Feel like that could
have been a really fun as well. Because like, I don't know,
like, I've heard news articles of just like, really bad crazy
fans out there. Yeah, we're doing, like, just
dangerous stuff. Like, I don't know, like, I
don't want to get into specific examples, but like even recently
like I didn't, there was like an article that came out about BTS
member Jin. He's like in the Army and then
like nurse like and the Army left her post, like give him a
vaccine. Like that kind of stuff.
It's like insane, you know. Yeah.
Like it's like These hands are at even know, she's like a fan
or if she's just like somebody who wanted to get involved.
But anyways, go back to this kdrama, it would have been fun
to see some of those like Angel fans like really get involved
and like make things messy from Members.
You know, they could have been a more fun villain than just kind
of reusing. Hey, for everything, at least in
the beginning, like, that would have been a cool angle.
You know. Absolutely.
Because there's endless horror stories that are true about
these terrible. Like I can't even call them fans
like there. They're just, they're not fans
at that point. Yeah.
And the BTS thing, I think, what
was it? A train operator or some
somebody employed by the train company was giving out.
Oh, yeah. When RM was taking the train and
would tell their friends like, which seat he was in so that
they could sit next to him or close to him.
And Jungkook just said something to them about, like, stop
sending me food because they His address and kept sending him
food. Yeah.
And he's like, what the can eat it.
And I like it. Yeah.
Like you can't eat stuff like that.
Like, you don't know what they put into that food, you know?
Yeah. Oh yeah.
I don't know. There's like I've seen a lot of
just like rumors about that specific K.
That girl who likes sent him the food.
Like she's like, kind of crazy. Like she's right.
Like this isn't okay. Yeah it's insane.
And I think that would have been fun to explore it, you know?
And this cage. Yeah.
Context, is he had all the characters ready, but like right
at do too many bad things other than just like, you know, quote
unquote defend their oppas, one like bad things happen, but
like, it would have been fun to see like some of the crazier
sides of those fans, that it would have been interesting.
Absolutely. So one of the last things that I
have in my notes has to do with this cliche that is in kdrama
and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
I don't think it worked here. So in episode 15, they break up.
Yes, right. She'll eat.
She was like planning to leave after the Japan trip and pick
him. Didn't know.
And then he goes to see her back in Japan.
Like he just makes that trip like two or three times I don't
even know. Just make it happen.
Yeah, but he is like he's very sad.
The whole scene is very angsty and to me I don't even get why
she has to leave this. In this case, it really it
didn't make much sense to me. It's not that.
The usual case is all. They have to realize their
feelings to get back together. They know their feelings.
They know that they like each other.
It's just that she needs time to heal and that he's been very
selfish and the birth Secrets. Got all intertwined.
Yeah, her mom. His mom is terrible.
She hates his mom. Yeah, she's very emotional and
take young. Just needs to respect her pain
as she gets through this. Hmm.
And I don't like this sins of the father shit where they
didn't make the same exact mistakes as their parents did
but they have to deal with the Fallout of the first Generations
trauma. So essentially generational
trauma in a kdrama sense and I just don't I don't Stand by
that. Like, in the writing of it I
just was like I don't I don't get it.
Like she doesn't need to disappear, she could just be
like, look, I'm gonna go to Fiji for I don't know how long I'll
let you know when I get back. Yeah.
It doesn't need to be this whole like mysterious thing and like
the whole like you see him grabbing her hand.
Great. Okay.
Yeah. Like what did you do?
How do you feel? About that sort of thing
happening in the very last episodes.
Usually of a kdrama as I think this one was like yeah I knowing
I think but it should have happened earlier if it was gonna
happen. I also like it's tough because
it's like, I understand. Like the generational trauma is
weighing down on both of these characters, but neither of them
really changed for the better because of it also.
And so it was like they broke up but then He's still a same way
towards her and then she still sees the world the same way.
So it's like, I don't know what this did for both of them as
people. It's like, you know, you always
hear about, like, you know, there's like reality TV shows
where it's like, oh, this ex-couple, are they going to get
back together? And then, you know, the
commentary is always like, well, if neither of them changed like,
what is the point of them getting back together and I feel
like it was similar for this or it's like they couldn't get over
there, both both of their internal issues with their
families, but I feel like even tour The end that's so didn't
really happen. Like when you land the mom had
like, a heart-to-heart where she was like, you know, be nice to
your son. But like I'll tell ya like I
don't feel like it really did too much for them as people, so
it was like, okay, but I understand for the sake of the
plot, they needed that break, but I think it would have
benefited happening earlier and then really kind of like delved
into how they healed and how they overcame this trauma, you
know, even together, you know after doing It separately and
kind of figuring out together that would have been nice, but
it just felt like a plot device in this situation.
Also, as a means to bring in the mom and her whole sad story this
whole time. So like I'm like, I get it.
But yeah, I totally agree with you were.
I don't think it really works out well, for this drama, like
things didn't really add up and like, even at the very end, she
still goes like, Africa. Something like well, he was
like, I'm still going to be like So yeah, places and again, like
I don't again this hasn't improved much.
I don't think in kdramas but she's like I'm going to Africa
and it's like Africa is a continent.
Oh my gosh. We're in Africa.
Are you going? You know?
Yes, very true. I feel like so many k jobless.
That's like such a big thing, right?
Like are you going to Botswana Nigeria stuff?
Like where girl? She's like I'm going Africa.
It's like okay. Okay, all right for sure.
Oh man, also the star necklace. What do you think?
What was it with the mid 2000s? Late 2000s, and the frickin star
necklace? Because I do remember there
being a star necklace in Boys Over Flowers as well.
And I was like it was that just like a thing back then that they
were constantly invoking. The stars and Celestial things.
And then, yeah. They get a necklace.
Yeah, and now it does star necklace.
I totally agree. It's Always popping up Stars was
like the thing, you know, like thing all types of stars, but
metaphorical stars real star. It's okay.
My love from another star, like it's all but honestly, I kind
of, I still love it. I don't know those like, she's
you metaphor is, I'm a sucker for so I can't even complain.
All right, all right. All right, fair enough?
Yeah, I think I've come to the end of my notes.
The only notes that I have are just like wardrobe because at
one point she's wearing The double Polo.
A polo shirt inside of another polo with the popped collar?
Do you remember that? Stabbed like the alternating
Polo colors and that they were wearing two shirts?
Look, I thought they looked great back in 09 and I was like
that, those like those outfits. I was like, yes, what the motto
she was wearing, like the plaid pants again, red plaid pants
with the leather jacket and everything so just like gets
high. Cool and the hair and the makeup
to the amount of black eyeliner they put on take young.
I was like damn damn oh yeah, look my hair evolution as well
that was great to see and I think the only outfit that
really bothered me was every time they put him in something
that was almost off the shoulder like, tickle.
Oh yeah. It looked very feminine and then
they kept doing. I think it was only two times
but I was like that's enough. He had a blouse.
It was a blouse that swooped down in the front.
Hmm. I bet it was like, you remember
these? It looks like a frickin curtain
on him. I was like he's wearing a
curtain and then they change. They did another one.
It was like a first, he had a gray and then the flag, but then
it was black and then there was like, a red one.
I was like, it's never ending. Yeah.
So that stuff made me laugh as well.
It was just very comical to return to that someone commented
on a tick tock that I did about it.
And Instead, he looks so good, wearing that kind of stuff as a
model. And I was like, okay, just
because it's on the runway doesn't mean that it should be
on a Kpop started in a kdrama. So, yeah, it had a lot of fun
with that. It was fun though, you know this
is like the part of like the old kdramas and I'm like I love it
because watching it you're just like it, brings you back to a
time where that was that was cool.
Like people are that and it was like house shit and hair, the
hair styles and everyone had to you're like dude, that guy was
cool back in 09. He was styling, this was
fashion. Yeah.
Okay, yeah. It had a lot of fun with it.
Ultimately, you know, it take what we say with a grain of
salt. You can watch this for yourself,
it is available on Viki. If you want to watch, you are
beautiful and let us know what you think about it.
If you agree with our assessment, if you're kind of
like I can't get into it. That's fine.
It's not every kdramas for
everyone and the older ones do you have a lot of merits,
they're very nostalgic for us and for other viewers and
sometimes if you just didn't live through that era, there's
no way that you could do. We're gonna release.
This is some of the things. So yeah.
But II, think I encourage people to watch older kdramas.
I just see for yourself. Yeah, honestly, I feel like
you're beautiful feels like a Kpop fan fit come to life, you
know? Like that's what it is.
Yeah. It's like if you have a little
bit of the delusional, Kpop fan in, you, you will eat this up
because you're like it, that could be me, you know?
I could be an innocent girl, where all three of like, my
favorite band peppers are. Level 3, you know, like I feel
like that is audience and like I don't know if they did ever do a
remake and like know, kind of fix some of these nitpicky
things that we have, I would watch that in a heartbeat.
So you're absolutely right because sometimes I miss one
like plots go off-roading. You know what I'm saying?
Like this thing starts on your life.
This is ludicrous but I'm bored. I'm here, I'm sitting here, I'm
ready. Yeah, and there's really
enchanting about watching something that you just have to
suspend your disbelief over. Yes, we have a ton of nitpicky
things. Yes, we can't get over some
things, but ultimately, it's it made us laugh.
It entertained us. And it's just like watching like
a freaking Fast and Furious movie.
It's like, you're not in it for the, for the realism.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely.
Thank You Jennie. So much for coming on the
podcast for talking at length, about your beautiful year.
First key drama ever, I really appreciate you coming back on
the goblin episode is actually like doing done really well.
I think it's like the second most popular episode on the box.
So, yeah, I'm hoping that people will enjoy this one too and get
a lot of good. A lot out of it because we, we
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