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I'm Jessica and this is daebak. 
He Rambles were a couple of 

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friends review, Korean dramas 
and I am pumped because I have 

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repeat guests with me. 
I have Jenny back from the porch

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of playlist. 
Jenny, how have you? 

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You been, how has been your 
year? 

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Because it's been about a year 
since we've last talked on the 

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goblin episode. 
Yeah, I thoughts wild. 

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Oh my gosh, times flies. 
Definitely, I think good. 

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We're still reviewing kdramas 
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but yeah, we're currently 
watching a couple of non ROM 

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call me. 
So, I'm waiting for the 

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rom-coms. 
A hit for the rest of this year,

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but how have you been doing? 
I've been doing well, super 

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busy. 
I had kind of a hectic morning. 

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But I'm glad that I was able to 
finish the drama that we're 

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going to talk about today, which
is your beautiful from 2009. 

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The reason why we're doing 
you're beautiful and 

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specifically that I requested 
that you come on this way. 

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This episode with me is because 
on the goblin review, you said 

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that, your first kdrama was 
you're beautiful and we had a 

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moment and I was like, wow, so I
put that in the back of my mind 

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and I was like, I have to have 
Jen. 

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Me back if we ever hear 
beautiful. 

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So it's happening. 
We're going to talk about it. 

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This is a show for sure. 
And with without further Ado, I 

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think are just gonna jump into 
some housekeeping. 

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And let's go. 
We're going to talk about your 

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beautiful and I went sideways on
this one, I have the Wikipedia 

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synopsis, instead of the Asian 
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Listen Ops is because those were
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I don't even know how they let 
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I was like, what is, how is this
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So here's the Wikipedia synopsis
of the show Coleman yo has lived

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at an orphanage with her twin 
brother combing them since 

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childhood after their father 
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Years later, mean them becomes a
music Idol, and meanwhile lives 

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in a junior, none dorm to 
fulfill her. 

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She sorry. 
Marty laughing to fulfill her 

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dream of becoming a nun. 
One day mean I'm successful 

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successfully auditions for, and 
Wednesday and entertainment. 

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Vocal auditions to join the 
musical band and Joe where 

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Angel, however, he must leave 
for the u.s. in order to correct

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his botched plastic surgery. 
Mean times manager approaches me

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kneel and best for her to pose 
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he recovers menial is against it
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as a path to fame, would give 
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their mother. 
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her brother and joins the band, 
an angel. 

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Where she meets its members, the
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The gentle conch signal and the 
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So yeah, this drama is 
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She crossed dresses as her 
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None. 
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world of Hollywood and K-pop. 
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Like right off the bat, this 
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originally aired from October to
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to pause here and say, like, 
where were you in 2009, what was

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happening in your life? 
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back. 
Okay, 2009, Jenny. 

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And to give context for why this
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I was very much into the Kpop 
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Like like I wasn't ftisland fan 
and I was like 'I honky you know

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freaking puss is of this man on 
my wall and so I think I'll some

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like maybe Middle School maybe 
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I don't even remember. 
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Oh my gosh, I am in love with 
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something called a kdrama, like 
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And so literally it was like one
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like the cage on the world in 
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so into K-pop. 
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steal my little Middle School 
thing, listen to my cave off and

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then just got thrown into this 
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wow, okay, I'm ready for this 
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for the rest of my life. 
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Yeah, yeah, for me, 2009 was the
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school and just to set the scene
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on the younger side or don't 
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2009, Barack Obama. 
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What a trip. 
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Parks and Rec the show. 
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TV debuts in 2009. 
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Damn. 
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Yes. 
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Yes let me see. 
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Country Music Awards. 
Wow, Slumdog Millionaire swept 

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the Oscars that year Heath 
Ledger with I know and speaking 

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of oscars Heath Ledger wins best
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for his role as Joker in The 
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We still have Harry Potter 
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Twilight Saga, movies coming out
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got a sequel not too long ago. 
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The first Avatar movie Released 
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I'm telling you. 
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because even Disney acquired 
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This is when you're beautiful 
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This crazy year with all of this
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forget happened in 09. 
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pandemic in 2009, people thought
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Yes, that was the pandemic in 
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So honestly, it was kind of nice
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Nostalgia the show, but just 
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were, as a society in 2009. 
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I miss that era of my life. 
I was so young, so full of Hope.

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What a trip. 
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there is like scene. 
Whether like clubbing and the 

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songs are playing. 
I was like jamming out. 

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I was like this was so lit the 
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I loved it. 
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was a time. 
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and it had a director Hong, some
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was Park young-sun and he's 
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Miss Granny which are two more. 
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a little more well-known than 
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assistant director has done, I 
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show was written by the Hong 
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and hung meet on two sisters who
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screenplays on the Alchemy of 
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splitting into two parts, but 
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thing. 
Alchemy of souls, how do you 

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feel about Hong sisters, dramas,
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I don't know, I'm a sucker for 
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like I'm close to a playlist, 
sometimes they're very critical,

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things are like, well pothole 
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like honestly, if I really just 
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the honk sisters, know how to 
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the, you know, the crazy out 
there storylines and I feel like

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they do get critiques. 
A lot because like, sometimes 

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people say they, they reuse 
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like, that's just like kdrama. 
Like, this is what kdramas 

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about, you know, like Alchemy of
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hotel de luna. 
Also, iconic, current Odyssey 

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iconic. 
Like so many of these, even 

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from, like, way back in the day,
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I never even wash that kdrama 
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like these are iconic. 
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know what they're doing and no 
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Them. 
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So I'm so glad you say that 
because we have differing 

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opinions on the Hong sisters. 
I generally sort of dislike the 

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way that they write things. 
I think they're good at 

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balancing really melodramatic 
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I think that's what kind of 
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you're not just wallowing, the 
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They have these lighter moments 
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are very good at physical comedy
writing in some physical 

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Physical comedy for the actors 
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You can look at Alchemy of 
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luna. 
Korean Odyssey, it goes way 

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back. 
That's a little bit of a 

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signature for them and they love
fantasy elements and they are 

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sort of foundational. 
Like, I can't take this away 

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from them, their foundational, 
4K drama. 

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And a lot of the tropes that we 
see, they were pioneering, or 

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they were redefining and in 
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I felt like revisiting it, they 
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A lot of the tropes like you 
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to kiss and it's like, oh no he 
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so like it's very there 
subverting a lot of things 

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because the audience already has
some expectations, maybe some 

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that the Hong sisters created 
and some that they're just, you 

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know, like still within the 
Wheelhouse of kdrama but I 

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thought they was fun to see. 
But also this I don't feel Feel 

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less the Sara Lee like I'm in 
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Any Hong sisters kdrama, if you 
feel me, like I appreciate what 

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they've done but I'm not like, 
you know, I'm not waving the 

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Hong sisters flag over here like
like a lot of people are and 

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that's fine. 
Like, everyone can have their 

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own opinion, their own feelings 
toward things. 

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If you love Alchemy of souls, 
I'm so happy for you. 

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Like as a matter fact, very 
happy for you. 

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Great keep it. 
It's yours for me. 

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Not so much. 
And that's kind of how I wanted 

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to wrap up the Hong sisters talk
because I feel like it's a 

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little touchy after I don't know
if you were privy to like all of

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the Alchemy of souls hate that 
was around or like the toxicity 

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of some of that fandom. 
Oh my God. 

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So if you didn't like the show 

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then I'm you were definitely 
privy to some of this. 

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Nonsense online. 
But you know, everyone has 

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their, their likes and dislikes 
and if you like honk sisters, 

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dramas, they're not going 
anywhere, like keep watching. 

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So I kind of think that this 
2009 drama might might make some

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people a little weary of the 
Hong sisters just because of its

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age and we have talked about 
that. 

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So this yes, Yes, so this show 
Stars POC Shanae as combing, the

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old / calming, I'm she's playing
both roles the Twins and how do 

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you feel about Pacini? 
Because oh man, so she's so 

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iconic in her and itself, you 
know, like I feel like she was 

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obviously my first kdrama and 
then she goes on and I feel like

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she goes from the very strong 
like, kdrama female lead when 

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all the rom-coms. 
Now, I feel like she's delved 

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into this new world, like 
watching her and call the call. 

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I was like Blown Away by her 
like, change of, I guess, like 

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Charisma almost like it's just, 
she's playing such different 

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roles, you know, I think that 
her crying ability is freaking 

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top-tier. 
If there's anyone I can count on

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and Decay Joe industry to be 
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It is huxton. 
It like she her Village do. 

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That is like amazing. 
I'd say, if people haven't seen 

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her in other kdramas, she is 
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obviously in this kdrama like, 
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one, it's like, what? 
The pouty face and kind of the 

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homes. 
Hopefully, not like, the not 

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like Vibe it just like, it's 
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my first kdrama. 
Gal. 

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because, you know, you have that
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kdrama, but I would say I 
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train, you know, probably around
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just like but like some of the 
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special place in my heart for 
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That's so nice to hear. 
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necessarily on a pedestal. 
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drama. 
You're beautiful. 

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And I want to say in 2014 so 
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dramas and it's one. 
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say my, my first impressions and
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juxtapose or she feels like Same
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she's not gone out of fashion 
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types of roles that she took are
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Like people wouldn't gravitate 
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today, and yes, she's gained a 
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you look at some of the stuff 
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like, this is not that great, 
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is one of those roles were you. 
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if it's the Hong sisters 
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the way that she's Saying, the 
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bit annoyed and her in The Heirs
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Like she that character had no 
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probably had nothing to do at 
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performance. 
It was just what was on this on 

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the paper. 
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irking me in different ways and 
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on the on the paper. 
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she's Little bit childish in the
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bumbling in the show. 
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And to a point where you're 
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much for one person to be this 
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romantically handicapped at this
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So, this is Parks and yes, this 
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that's a little bit of the That 
really annoyed me. 

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But like you said, the call, 
hashtag alive. 

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My annoying, brother. 
I said this on the air is 

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episode. 
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better than her cage. 
Rump work. 

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I think that stands up way 
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Then some of them, especially 
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made her famous. 
I'm like I can never carry watch

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that. 
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think. 
The female lead aesthetic was so

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cringe back, like, back in the 
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Now looking back right? 
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we're adults. 
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our lives and I'm just like, oh 
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they were trying to portray as 
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to met. 
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bumbling and clumsy. 
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like back in the day I also 
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that kind of stuff too. 
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messaging back in like the early
2000s like just like clumsy kind

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of adult Like really naive and 
like, I don't know, man. 

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Like I feel like the 
stereotypes, it was just through

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trying so hard to make us all 
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And I think I bought it, I don't
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my lack of dating life when I 
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was like, yeah, I want to be 
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that's what people think are 
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not true. 
Like you should not be spilling 

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things over yourself, like that 
is not like a cute little 

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kitten. 
So I you have. 

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Yeah, you have an absolute point
there. 

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I guess we can get a little more
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After we cover Jang, geun Suk 
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He is our male lead. 
What, how do you feel about this

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guy? 
I haven't seen this guy in a hop

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in it. 
Yeah, I at the sounds kinda sad,

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but like I don't think I've seen
any other kids drama, but he's 

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in other than this one. 
I, I just like what I first was 

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introduced his character, I just
thought he was so mean and like 

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I feel like he plays it to a 
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this smirk and Like that kind of
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I'm happy to hear that he's 
coming back. 

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I just I never really got into 
his like his character and his 

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the actor himself but I'm happy 
to hear that. 

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He's still got it. 
Yeah so he's got a comeback 

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drama which is airing this year 
maybe even now it's called the 

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bait, part 1 and 2 and it's just
come back down. 

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He hasn't done anything in like 
five years. 

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So this is a big deal and I 
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this and I watched him in like a
couple like a couple of the 

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things. 
I think, Marry Me Marry in 2010 

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and love rain out. 
Have you seen love rain? 

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I haven't no getting. 
So here's the plot of Love Rain 

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really fast. 
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70s, a couple, which he plays 
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and what's her name. 
The one that can't act from 

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Girls Generation Yoona. 
Oh okay, so it's him and Yuna in

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the 1970s they fall in love 
through circumstances. 

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That's like The One That Got 
Away now, in the present day, 

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their children fall in love with
each other. 

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They're playing the children now
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like, will they won't they get 
together and act on their 

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feelings because their parents 
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day and it's like taboo because 
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this way. 
Yes. 

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Yes, yes. 
So that is the plot of Lorraine 

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and I was like, this is very 
Melody. 

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I remember vividly watching this
and thinking this is super 

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melodramatic and I don't really 
get what the issue is. 

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They're not related like any 
blood at all and it was 

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frustrating and really weird. 
And so that was the end of me 

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watching. 
Duncan sock on in anything. 

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Oh man! 
Yes. 

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So when I was looking up dramas 
that he'd been in, I'd be like 

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okay Bellamy Royal Gambler, some
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Up until 20 to 2018 and now his 
comeback drama. 

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And I thought let me just look 
at the comeback drama. 

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If you scroll down to the next 
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Hello. 
I've literally I thought this 

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day I was like, hold on hold on.
Maybe the fact that I didn't 

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watch pretty much any of his 
work had to do with I just 

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didn't find him that attractive 
which is really, really shallow 

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of a thing to say but I just 
have to say like some people 

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have types and some actors just 
work for some people and some 

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factors. 
I just don't and he was one of 

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those people that never had an 
appeal for me. 

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And then I saw this, these 
screens stills of his latest 

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drama, that's coming out this 
year and I was like, hold on, 

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maybe he just needs a jab. 
It and has some facial hair and 

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I was like, I was like I'm a 
changed woman. 

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Do I need to watch this drama 
called The Bait? 

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So, yeah, I am intrigued these 
photos are definitely selling 

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me. 
So maybe you and I can talk 

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about. 
Okay. 

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I'm down, I'm down because when 
I literally was like, hold on, 

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oh no. 
I'm in it because he just looks 

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like an Amman, you know, like 
maybe it was just, he was to 

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clean shaven and he just looked 
a little glossy and they gave 

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him these crazy outfits. 
I mean, talk about the crazy 

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outfits in, just your beautiful 
this show. 

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I mean, how can I mean? 
He's like a freakin citizen of 

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the All here in Hunger Games 
versus like a real honest-to-god

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person. 
So you know seeing him in this 

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getup I think he's playing a 
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that's coming out this year in 
2023. 

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And I was like, hey I have I'd 
like to have a word because I'm 

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sorry, I apologize for the way 
that I've treated you all these 

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years anyway. 
So that's the man that's our 

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male lead in the show and then 
we'll round it out with two 

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people who I'm sure you're 
familiar with. 

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We have a donkey AKA Jeremy and 
the show and he's from FT 

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Island. 
Yes. 

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And yeah. 
And we have Jung Yong hwa as she

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knew from CNBLUE, which seeing 
him on screen again, I was like 

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Whiplash, like what year is it? 
It's been a minute. 

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How do you feel about these 
guys? 

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And what are some of the mother,
or some of the other kdramas 

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that you've seen them in? 
Besides, were beautiful? 

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Yeah. 
You know, it's kind of Funny. 

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So like to, you know, give the 
context again. 

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I feel like FT Island was like 
doing their thing and then 

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CNBLUE is kind of like new boy 
band of the era. 

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A so it was kind of like a I 
don't know like it was a good 

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mix of both of them coming 
together in a kdrama. 

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So I was like 4 ft Island. 
Fans aka me at the time it was 

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kind of like oh my gosh, new boy
fan and then you get introduced 

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to Jung yonghwa and you're like,
okay, I'm on board. 

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Look at what a music. 
Let's let's go. 

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Now, so both of them. 
Absolutely. 

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Love them. 
I, you know, I think both of 

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them are my favorites in their 
respective bands as well. 

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Like I think they're both great 
and they're both super talented.

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And I think the fact that they 
were band members in this show, 

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it was just like everything you 
want it. 

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Like it was like a friend thing.
You know, that I just like got 

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written up by itself is so 
great, but I will say, I 

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actually did it fall out. 
You hungie as much as for the 

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rest of his like kdrama stuff so
like, yeah, I've seen too much 

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of his His roles. 
I think I've seen Korean Odyssey

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but that was kind of it but I 
think you hot. 

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Like I started watching his 
kdramas a lot more after this. 

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So, heart strings, which came 
out with Park, seen a kind of 

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was like the second lead love 
line that should have happened. 

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So I definitely watch that right
after and then like, yeah, I 

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think recently he did sell your 
haunted house that like, kind of

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like one in a little bit, but 
there was also just like cooking

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movie that he was in. 
It's like a Chinese cooking. 

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Quickly. 
So familiar. 

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Yeah, I like I don't know, like 
if you go on YouTube and it's 

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always like a popular clip 
because he's plays, like does 

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really amazing chef and he does 
all these crazy chef things and 

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like it's actually really, 
really fun. 

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I if I find the name I'll tell 
you and week. 

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Okay later but also a hilarious 
movie with him in it. 

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But yeah I feel like both of 
them. 

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This was like the biggest K job 
I've seen with both of them and 

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then from there it was kind of 
like, you know, small things 

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here and there. 
Yeah, so I really liked both of 

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them in 2014 more than I did 
coming back to it. 

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Especially dong Jung yonghwa, I 
thought he was a little bit, not

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a little bit, he was stiff like 
as a board. 

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Yeah. 
In this in this show, but him 

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and heartstrings is a, I mean, 
he's still pretty stoic, but a 

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little looser and I think, I 
stopped watching him and stuff 

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after marry him. 
If you dare, I If you seen that 

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show, okay, it's one of the 
worst kdramas I've ever seen in 

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my life. 
Really, in my life. 

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It was terrible. 
It was terrible. 

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Don't watch that show. 
So if it will actually watch it,

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and let me know if you agree 
that it's terrible. 

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It was just horrendous, 
horrendous lie, written and it 

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starred the female lead for rum 
princess hours. 

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I forget her name, so familiar. 
Yeah. 

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But she but she was a big name 
and then I was like, oh my God, 

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00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:05,600
it's her and this guy and I 
watched it bad for young key. 

442
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,800
I watched him in Bride of the 
century, which was one of those 

443
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,700
where he was playing like a 
chaebol and then he was going to

444
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,900
marry this girl. 
But then something happened and 

445
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,600
they had to get a doppelganger 
to marry him instead. 

446
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,700
And the doppelganger was of 
course, super sweet, and he fell

447
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,500
in love with her instead of like
the real girl. 

448
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,000
So that's why it's called like 
bright as under. 

449
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,500
Anyway So love that Joe. 
I thought it was good and then 

450
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:34,300
modern farmer. 
I think he was also playing some

451
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,700
like a Kpop idol and then it 
goes to the countryside. 

452
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:40,100
For some reason I didn't finish 
out when I dropped it, it was 

453
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,600
like really boring and I wasn't 
in the mood for it, but that's 

454
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200
pretty much it for for these 
two. 

455
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:49,700
And I feel bad that again. 
I haven't really watched some of

456
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:51,600
their other stuff. 
I've heard great things about 

457
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,300
sell your haunted house and I've
had not finished a Korean 

458
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:58,900
Odyssey. 
Which is another Hong sisters 

459
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:01,300
drama. 
I think I dropped that one. 

460
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:04,500
And like, episode 5 or 6. 
I was like, hmm. 

461
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:08,300
No, yeah I think I couldn't get 
behind usagi. 

462
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:11,800
He was like really mean. 
I was like, that seems to be a 

463
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,700
common thing in the sisters 
never really really mean male 

464
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,300
lead and she just Falls for him 
anyway. 

465
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:23,700
And I was over it. 
So I thought he was just cruel. 

466
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:25,500
So I didn't finish that one 
anyway. 

467
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:30,900
All this to say we're The end of
this, this intro bit. 

468
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,500
Please tell me. 
What did you do in returning to 

469
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,600
this 2009? 
Show your first kdrama ever. 

470
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,000
What did you think? 
What did you think of your 

471
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000
beautiful? 
Yeah man. 

472
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,200
It's I totally agree that the 
timing is so important to 

473
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:53,100
understand because if I were to 
like write this assuming this is

474
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,800
come out in 2023, it would be a 
very different score than 

475
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,600
whatever. 
Add it back in 2009 you know. 

476
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,800
There are so many things that 
were like more acceptable like 

477
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,800
so many more tropes and like I 
guess the general Vibe of 

478
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,300
kdramas was just so different 
back then but I do think just 

479
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:16,200
because of how ridiculous the 
show is and like even back then 

480
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,100
it wasn't a very serious kdrama 
and I feel like I'll like 

481
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:21,800
looking back like you don't have
to try to think about it in a 

482
00:28:21,808 --> 00:28:23,400
serious way. 
I still think it was very 

483
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,100
enjoyable, like I overall 
enjoyed watching it there is 

484
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,800
moments. 
Like got me laughing like out 

485
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,400
loud. 
Given the fact that there's 

486
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,100
still so many things, I was 
like, are we really doing this? 

487
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:37,700
Like, but like, at the same 
time, it was still really fun. 

488
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:41,500
So I'm really happy that you 
brought up this review and I 

489
00:28:41,508 --> 00:28:44,600
think it was a great time to 
like, revisit such an old 

490
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,600
kdrama, and talk about it with 
you. 

491
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Thank you for for being game to 
return to it. 

492
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,900
I know that if someone asked me 
to watch my first kdrama, again,

493
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,600
I'd probably be like, I don't 
know. 

494
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Are you sure that you You want 
to watch that Caterham so but 

495
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,500
this one happens to be quite 
iconic. 

496
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:07,400
It did it didn't do well at 
first like on broadcast and had 

497
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,700
mediocre ratings but then it 
gained a cult following when 

498
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,500
people started watching the 
drama online and I was like oh 

499
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:18,800
I'm one of these people that got
the export of this drama and you

500
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,000
know had it not been put online 
and people started raving about 

501
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,500
it we probably would just never 
return to it and wouldn't think 

502
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,200
anything. 
Of it. 

503
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,100
So it's pretty interesting to 
think of it, that way, it 

504
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,400
contributes to like the Holly 
wave, you know what I'm saying? 

505
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,300
For for me, I watch it in 2014, 
and I remember being in my first

506
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:44,600
apartment and watching this at 
night and just, I remember being

507
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,000
confused. 
You see how my eyebrows are 

508
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,100
furrowed right now? 
Like, I was watching it like 

509
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,000
that the whole time because I 
was like, do I love it? 

510
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,300
Or do I hate it? 
I can't tell. 

511
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,400
It's very old and even in C14. 
I thought it looked pretty 

512
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,600
pretty old and dated, of course,
the production value is in high 

513
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,500
like most kdramas have a high 
production value today. 

514
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,100
It's a totally different time 
period. 

515
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,900
And again, I think I was a 
little more forgiving in 2014 

516
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,500
where I was like, you know it is
what it is. 

517
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:16,900
Like it's a product of its time 
and these tropes are very are 

518
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:21,900
familiar for me so it's fine. 
I can dig my myself into it a 

519
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:27,900
bit but I do remember laughing 
at the first episode with You 

520
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,500
need a as a known and I was 
like, what is going on? 

521
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,200
It's going on, it's so wild. 
So I think I ended up liking it 

522
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:40,900
and I think I appreciated it 
more than anything. 

523
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:45,000
When I finished it in 2014 on 
re-watch. 

524
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,900
I was very, how do I put it? 
It was difficult for me to watch

525
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:54,800
it and finish it and for some 
reason I was it was putting me 

526
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,600
to sleep. 
Oh, sometimes he's older. 

527
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,300
Kdramas when I returned to them.
Like, I'm falling. 

528
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:04,600
I'm following he, he ha ha. 
And then I fall asleep, but and 

529
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,700
I'm like, how did I get here? 
I was fully awake a second ago 

530
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,300
and there's something about it. 
Maybe it's just comforting that 

531
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:13,500
I know what's gonna happen in a 
general sense. 

532
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:17,900
So I don't got to be, you know, 
reading everything so intently. 

533
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,600
But yeah. 
Maybe that's a positive, that 

534
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,000
it's sort of a shut your brain 
off and watch kind of show which

535
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,600
a lot of older kdramas are there
very long. 

536
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:30,600
Very light on plot. 
We said this about The Heirs 

537
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,300
thing, to The Heirs episode, 
where we were like, what exactly

538
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,200
is the plot. 
Like, I don't think there is one

539
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,500
because it's just kids that hate
each other and are rich and they

540
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:44,300
throw them together in school 
and like very my note things are

541
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:48,300
happening to them and in this 
case it feels very similar in 

542
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:49,900
that. 
It's malt. 

543
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:56,200
Not giant, big set pieces and 
all of this Mayhem happening, a 

544
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,100
lot of Moving pieces, it's not 
like the glory and it's not 

545
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,400
like, you know, Little Women and
all these trendy kdramas that 

546
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,500
are coming out in recent years 
where you're like, this is a 

547
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:08,900
plot. 
Yeah. 

548
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:16,400
This is not a plot. 
So I think is again, I was 

549
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,900
struck with this balance of like
it's making me laugh. 

550
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:24,400
But I what cost, you know, and 
really annoyed with the male 

551
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:31,500
lead and the female lead pack 
shinae Just not aged well at 

552
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,800
all. 
What were some of the things I'm

553
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,600
curious to know like that struck
you as being woefully outdated 

554
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:40,200
more than other things. 
Like let's just set aside the 

555
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,800
fact that it's not filmed 
particularly well. 

556
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:50,100
They're their wardrobe is pretty
heinous and the hair is a whole 

557
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:53,100
other discussion. 
What were some of the other 

558
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,300
things that you felt were really
outdated? 

559
00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,100
Yeah, I would say, Nowadays, 
like there's a lot more 

560
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:04,000
character that people put in. 
So they're kdrama people like 

561
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,100
it's like, you know, the story, 
The multi-dimensional Character.

562
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,900
I feel like it's helped more. 
I don't people just pour about 

563
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:13,400
more emphasis in that these 
days. 

564
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,200
And I feel like the characters 
in this show are very, very 

565
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800
one-dimensional. 
Like, you know, even like the 

566
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,600
second lead. 
Love lines like nowadays, you 

567
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
know, there's such strong 
compelling reasons for the 

568
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,800
second leads to have, you know, 
such a strong attraction. 

569
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,700
Towards the female lead in this 
one. 

570
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,800
It was like very minimal. 
It was like, they like you 

571
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,700
period. 
And so I feel like there's just 

572
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,000
a lot less flushing out that 
happened in this cage, AMA, 

573
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,800
compared to things now. 
And I definitely think like, 

574
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,700
just the the way that the male 
lead treats the female lead, I 

575
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,600
also feel like that whole 
dynamic is very outdated as 

576
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,400
well. 
Like it's funny because like 

577
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,900
friend and I kind of watched for
his episodes and vitals like 

578
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:57,700
looking back. 
This is so bad. 

579
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,600
Bad because I feel like it's hot
a whole era of Korean men that 

580
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,400
like you can just be really mean
to the girl. 

581
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,600
You like and those people like 
you and it doesn't matter, it 

582
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,600
doesn't matter. 
And I'm like yeah that's so 

583
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,100
true. 
Like I don't really feel like 

584
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,699
that still exists and kdrama 
land like you know a little bit 

585
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:14,600
right? 
Just because it's still kind of 

586
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,800
fun. 
The enemies to Lover's type of. 

587
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Yeah. 
But it's not just so blatantly 

588
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,600
mean and like it's just it's 
like a different level and they 

589
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,300
definitely give more back story 
for all of that versus in this 

590
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:28,199
one. 
I feel like it was just They 

591
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,500
struck a chord for like, oh this
is how it's gonna be and then 

592
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,199
that was it. 
And they was just like groveling

593
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,800
and angst to get away from that 
for the rest of the show. 

594
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,100
Absolutely. 
You have such a, you've touched 

595
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,400
on some really great things that
I'm sure we can go into a little

596
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,000
more detail in the spoiler 
section but absolutely the lack 

597
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,600
of character development is 
ridiculous in this show. 

598
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,199
Yeah, you're just kind of 
presented with these people. 

599
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,900
They have really one-dimensional
personalities. 

600
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:03,400
Jeremy is This bubbly a Kyo like
dude who love has loves a his 

601
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,900
dog Angelina Jolie and that's 
pretty much all there is to it. 

602
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,500
And each one has their own 
separate personality and it does

603
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:15,700
feel like if you gave it a lot 
of credit you would think oh, 

604
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:22,200
they're making fun of the sort 
of roles in K-pop groups where 

605
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,700
they're like, oh this is the 
leader. 

606
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:27,800
This is so and so this is the 
Magna, this is, you know, all of

607
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,100
Of these different where they 
try and make them super distinct

608
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,400
personality wise, especially 
when they go on like talk shows 

609
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,100
and variety shows and they're 
like well this one's always got 

610
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,800
something crazy to say like this
one's always the Loose Cannon. 

611
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
This was always very serious, 
you know. 

612
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,000
It's like It's a little bit 
much. 

613
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200
I hear you. 
I honestly I don't think I can 

614
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
give them that much credit for 
it though. 

615
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,500
For some of these really OneNote
characters. 

616
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:03,000
And the whole thing of like the 
male lead has to be mean and 

617
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,300
she's gonna fall for him anyway.
I can't get behind that nowadays

618
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:11,000
and that was something that 
really bothered me on this 

619
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,900
re-watch as well. 
Yeah, I know and I honestly will

620
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,200
get into Some more details in a 
second. 

621
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:23,600
I do have a couple of fun facts 
for you the which I thought we 

622
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,800
should share. 
So did you notice everyone's 

623
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,600
driving an Audi in the show? 
That's true. 

624
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:34,100
That's true. 
I thought it was funny, so I 

625
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,300
looked it up several car 
companies offered to have their 

626
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:40,400
cars used in the drama, 
including, you know, the German 

627
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,000
automaker Audi. 
They introduced their Audi S4 on

628
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,900
the miniseries and I thought 
this was a little bit odd 

629
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:52,100
because Is the only other time 
where I'm like, wow Audi's was 

630
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:55,800
in Iron Man. 
And this is literally the year 

631
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,600
after Iron Man like was in 
theater. 

632
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,800
So I was like, okay not long 
after Audi kind of made a global

633
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,500
Resurgence with the Audi product
placement. 

634
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,900
In the Iron Man movie. 
So it kind of like track but I 

635
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,100
was like wow I've never seen an 
Audi in another cage. 

636
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,400
Rama it felt a little out of 
place. 

637
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,100
I don't know. 
Yeah, that's true. 

638
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:18,700
Now that you mention it. 
I do. 

639
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:20,400
Yeah. 
I feel like they're I mean, I 

640
00:37:20,408 --> 00:37:21,900
don't know. 
They always do the car product 

641
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:23,200
placements and these cake, 
right? 

642
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,100
I'm not a big car person. 
So I'm like, I'm just like, oh, 

643
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,300
that's a cool car and then just 
focus on something, that's a 

644
00:37:29,308 --> 00:37:30,400
cool car. 
No. 

645
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,500
Usually I feel like I'm the same
way but then sometimes if I see 

646
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,700
something that looks unusual in 
Korea like obviously if it's a 

647
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:42,800
him that I am like okay yeah 
that's a Korean car or something

648
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,300
to that effect but an Audi I was
like Audi thanks. 

649
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600
So that Was a little bit 
attention, it caught my 

650
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,900
attention. 
Let's talk about the OST and the

651
00:37:53,908 --> 00:37:59,700
music in the show because this 
is a big part of This show and 

652
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:04,700
this era of kdrama where you had
these musical kdramas like, Shut

653
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:11,200
Up Flower Boy Band and this one,
and oh my God, what was the 

654
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,000
band? 
The Other Dream High was another

655
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,600
one. 
There was so many, like, musical

656
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,200
kdramas back in the day that 
spoofed the Kpop industry. 

657
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:25,300
And for this one, I was like, I 
think I like the songs. 

658
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,100
Did you did you feel the same 
way? 

659
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,400
Oh my gosh. 
I think I would listen to this 

660
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,600
OST, like casually like many 
years honestly. 

661
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,200
After I want to skate Jam of 
that was just like on my, I 

662
00:38:39,207 --> 00:38:40,900
don't know, iPod Shuffle or 
whatever. 

663
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:48,000
It looks like, I love this OST, 
I assume just because they were 

664
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,900
like, this is the heir of 
kdramas were like, any moment 

665
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:53,900
has a nose T associated with it,
you know like you know exactly 

666
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,800
how to feel in that moment based
off what songs. 

667
00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:00,400
He's playing so like yep, it was
so overdone but I still think it

668
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,200
was like it was still so good 
like it wasn't like overplayed. 

669
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,900
I was just like I was feeling 
it, I love the OST. 

670
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,700
I think like a lots of Sun. 
So promise that's the one with a

671
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:14,600
hoagie and you ha. 
I was like that was my freaking 

672
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,800
jam. 
It was like the perfect combo of

673
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,900
FT Island CNBLUE. 
You know, it's such a good song 

674
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:24,300
and then obviously the more 
emotional ones like without 

675
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:28,100
words and I love darling. 
The lyrics obviously reflect 

676
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,800
the, you know, the main leads 
feelings and oh my God, it was 

677
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,200
so, it was so well done. 
I'm just I'm such a sucker for 

678
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,500
these like old school like music
heavy kdramas. 

679
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,100
I feel like they're just, I 
don't know. 

680
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:43,500
They have a special place in my 
heart so I absolutely love those

681
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:44,800
too. 
Yeah. 

682
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000
I think they kind of fell by the
wayside and now they're making a

683
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,900
comeback and there's way more 
now than like, you know, ever 

684
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:55,200
before I feel like I was the one
that I watched it. 

685
00:39:55,207 --> 00:39:57,300
I was like, oh, This isn't so 
bad and then I looked online. 

686
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:59,900
Everyone hated it. 
Only if it's imitation. 

687
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,100
Have you seen that one with the 
sf9 guys? 

688
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,100
And the guy from you case? 
No I don't think. 

689
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:10,400
Okay it's got like modern-day 
not modern day but like 

690
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,300
present-day K-pop stars in it 
and I thought it was pretty good

691
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,000
and then everyone was like this 
one sucked and I was like oh 

692
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,100
sorry I liked it whoops yeah 
whoops anyway so that one came 

693
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:28,300
to mind but there's more there's
even more The concert footage in

694
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:32,300
the show, they actually 
performed a mini concert and 

695
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:38,000
about 25,000 fans showed up, 
dude, I know and they performed 

696
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,300
promise and still Duncan suck, 
also, saying goodbye and what 

697
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,400
should I do? 
And then pakshi naysaying her 

698
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,000
characters theme song. 
Lovely day. 

699
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,900
So that's where you got all of 
that footage that's like, 

700
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:51,800
interspersed throughout. 
And, oh, we're going to do 

701
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,400
another showcase and like this, 
they pull from this same concert

702
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,100
that the I did. 
Yeah. 

703
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:01,400
So I found that really, really 
fun and interesting that they 

704
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,400
actually did have all of these 
people and I don't know. 

705
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,300
I like when they do this, it 
works every time for me where 

706
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:12,300
they have like a bunch of people
at a real venue and they're 

707
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:15,500
singing the songs and they're 
actually performing and it feels

708
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,400
very believable. 
And some credit lends, some 

709
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,700
credibility to the show. 
So I was like when they do that 

710
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:24,800
like the movie A Star is Born. 
Does that too like they 

711
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,200
commandeered some Music thankful
for. 

712
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,400
Yeah, festivals and shows and 
then they played like music from

713
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,400
the movie. 
And I think I just recently, 

714
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,400
found out for that one. 
They didn't end up like 

715
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,000
broadcasting, the song people, 
just were reacting to silence 

716
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,600
because he didn't want the songs
to get out in the public and 

717
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,800
have it be circulating online 
before the movie came out. 

718
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,100
So I was like, well, that's even
more awkward. 

719
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,700
And people were still vibin and 
they were like, oh my God, it's 

720
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,700
Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. 
So I don't think that's what 

721
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,400
Happened here. 
I think it was just, you know, 

722
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000
they were actually playing live 
and of course, two out of the 

723
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,900
three. 
Angel members are real 

724
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:07,000
musicians, so it helps it helps 
for sure. 

725
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,200
And I think it actually added 
for the, the scenes that they 

726
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,900
did show like at the very, I 
don't want to say too many 

727
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:17,000
spoilers but then like, you 
know, there is a slum scenes or 

728
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,300
at least. 
Yeah, door. 

729
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:21,000
I was like, yeah, important 
that, everyone's reactions are 

730
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,900
genuine, and I was like, I was 
so happy that they had a real 

731
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,900
audience because it made me I 
feel like this is real, you 

732
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,400
know, these people actually care
about the artists and it just 

733
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,000
adds to the story line. 
Absolutely. 

734
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,800
So I think that it's high time 
that we get into the spoilers 

735
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,700
section. 
So if you don't care at all 

736
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:43,300
about spoilers, keep listening, 
or if you want to watch the show

737
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:45,200
and then come back, you can do 
that too. 

738
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,200
But we'll be back right after 
this. 

739
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,400
You want to come in, all right. 
So, we talked a lot about the 

740
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,400
music, the OSD, the cast house, 
some of the tropes and some of 

741
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,700
the porch rails were really 
dated. 

742
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:07,500
But now we're in the spoiler 
section and so, anything goes 

743
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,400
Jenny, did you have a space 
where you wanted to start here 

744
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,500
or I think? 
Maybe because you mentioned the 

745
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,500
second male lead and we didn't 
cover that so much in the 

746
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,000
non-spoiler section. 
Let's talk about the other Angel

747
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,700
member. 
She knew and Jeremy and how big 

748
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,600
Also, just magically fall in 
love with boxing and sounds 

749
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,200
good. 
So I will say that the second 

750
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,200
leads for so I feel like this is
a one of those K. 

751
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,000
Jamas. 
So we actually had to Second 

752
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,900
leads, not just the one 
Association who he was, I was 

753
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,100
like really on his train and 
like I don't give him the fact 

754
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:51,600
that like it was really random 
the way he started loving her 

755
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,600
and everything but like you know
when I first watched it I was 

756
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,100
like completely sold it. 
In the second time around, I was

757
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:59,700
like, okay, fine. 
I like I'll buy it and I thought

758
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,900
that his little date where he's 
like kind of behind her in 

759
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:06,100
myeongdong the whole time. 
You know seeing her that may 

760
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:09,500
scream sounds like I freaking 
love you sinner. 

761
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:15,000
But after that this was so 
downhill because man's was like 

762
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,200
talking in riddles, he was like 
oh this is one girl that I have 

763
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,700
feelings for and she doesn't 
know and this girl and I'm like 

764
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,200
I was like so frustrating I 
know. 

765
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Please just give it to her 
straight, dude. 

766
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,500
What are you doing? 
And then like you know he would 

767
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:32,900
get upset because she would like
blow her off because she would 

768
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:35,800
have no idea what the context 
was and then he would just be 

769
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,700
all like pouty by himself and 
I'd be like Andrew please likely

770
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,100
do something. 
This is getting so frustrated. 

771
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:44,800
The I think I want to root for 
you. 

772
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:48,900
You're obviously you know a nice
guy as opposed to the mainland 

773
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:51,500
who's just like super mean to 
her at. 

774
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:54,900
Like I just I wanted to root for
him but you know it's especially

775
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,200
the second time. 
Watching it. 

776
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,000
I was like at a certain point. 
I was like dude you dug your own

777
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,600
grave? 
Like you're just gonna have to 

778
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,700
deal with this. 
Like she's not gonna go for you,

779
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:06,100
you're just not communicating 
and like the reasons tree like 

780
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:08,600
not communicating, just don't 
make enough sense. 

781
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,000
So I'm sorry buddy. 
The math isn't math and for 

782
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,300
seeing though because like my 
man's blue like a 30-point lead,

783
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,700
he knew she was a girl before. 
Take you on did. 

784
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,900
Yeah. 
And he was very sweet and looked

785
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,200
out for her. 
He had this amazing young The 

786
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,800
like you said, where he's 
falling behind her and like 

787
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,700
calling her and saying, like, 
oh, what do you want for 

788
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:34,300
dessert? 
And it's like it's super cute 

789
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:40,400
and he just decides to project 
his feelings onto her and 

790
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:44,500
convinced himself, that she will
be receptive to his feelings. 

791
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:51,300
And never actually confesses and
never gives her a chance to, to 

792
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:53,600
reciprocity or reject him or 
anything. 

793
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,000
It's always like in The Ether. 
And he's miscommunicating. 

794
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,600
He's speaking in riddles like 
you said like what the what the 

795
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,100
hell is the yoda-like thing that
he's doing here? 

796
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,300
Yeah. 
It's very frustrating to watch 

797
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:10,200
him get jealous. 
When it can actually be fixed. 

798
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,300
Like he can fix the situation 
quite easily and he's so 

799
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:16,900
confusing. 
I just don't like how he was. 

800
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:22,300
Like, yeah. 
I have a he like insinuated that

801
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:28,600
he had a girlfriend and then oh,
And apologize to my girlfriend 

802
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,200
for The Making Believe making 
everyone believe that you're my 

803
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,700
girlfriend had to do this like 
down and dirty. 

804
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:39,300
When you just almost got found 
out in the Press convert, it was

805
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,700
like this whole thing and yeah, 
he gets upset with her when she 

806
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,100
stands him up and he does he's 
like was going to stand her in 

807
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:51,800
front of a mirror and be like 
the woman that I was like what 

808
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,600
the hell is this? 
It is so she is so stupid. 

809
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,100
--Pid guid, right? 
Mmm-hmm. 

810
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,500
Why would he do this? 
When he, he knows her. 

811
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,700
He knows that she's clumsy. 
He knows is, she's dense. 

812
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:08,300
He knows, she's innocent. 
She's really unexperienced, 

813
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:11,000
right? 
Not just in life, but in 

814
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,400
Romance, especially so like what
makes him think that he can like

815
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:16,900
start getting cute with it? 
Yeah. 

816
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,800
And she would read it. 
It doesn't make sense. 

817
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,700
It's like, he blew it. 
He absolutely blew it, not that 

818
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:26,000
she would have gone with him 
and, you know, he Would have 

819
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
worked out. 
He was very firmly. 

820
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,700
The second male lead, and he 
didn't necessarily pose any 

821
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:35,400
threat to, like the mail. 
The main couple, but absolutely 

822
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,800
frustrating to watch him. 
On the other hand, Jeremy is a 

823
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,500
delight. 
I love this character. 

824
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:47,500
I think he's adorable and in 
some ways he's like a better 

825
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:53,200
match for at least, he matches 
her energy, I would say, because

826
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,500
he's again, very simple, he's 
very Be kind and childlike, as 

827
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:02,200
well likes to have a good time, 
always throwing congratulation 

828
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,700
parties for everybody. 
He's so cute and the dog, I 

829
00:48:06,707 --> 00:48:11,200
mean, how can you say no to the 
dog, Angelina Angie? 

830
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:16,000
So when, when Jeremy finds out 
that she actually likes, pick 

831
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,000
Young, It's a huge blow for him 
and he rides his bus, which I 

832
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,100
love the bus thing that he 
introduced to her. 

833
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:26,900
Because she was having, she had 
a whole. 

834
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:32,300
I forget which emotional 
Outburst breakdown that she had,

835
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,500
but he was like, look, why don't
you come on this bus with me and

836
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:40,700
he introduces her to his bus, 
which is an empty bus line? 

837
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,100
Then takes about an hour to go, 
it's full circuit, the full 

838
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,400
route. 
And in that hour, he can cry. 

839
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:51,200
And he can have this privacy 
alone time for him to sort out 

840
00:48:51,207 --> 00:48:52,700
his feelings. 
And by the time he gets off the 

841
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,900
bus, an hour later, everything 
sorted and he's back to normal 

842
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:01,500
like quote-unquote normal and 
it's just this this Sanctuary 

843
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:03,800
for him and he introduces her to
this. 

844
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,400
It's a great moment when he does
that but then when he finds out 

845
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,300
that she's she's dating the 
other member he goes on the city

846
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,900
bus again. 
And I love that like full circle

847
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:15,500
moment was, like, why are you on
my bus? 

848
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,300
This is my bus. 
I had like, told you about it. 

849
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,500
Why can't you leave me alone? 
And she just sits there, there's

850
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,500
not much the function, it does 
in that moment, but he does a 

851
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,400
really nice. 
Have a really nice moment here. 

852
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,300
It's a really nice performance 
where he is distraught, he's 

853
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:33,500
crying. 
He does does the broadcast on 

854
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:36,000
the phone and sings. 
This children's song, it's very 

855
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,300
touching and you feel for the 
guy. 

856
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:42,400
Yeah, you know, I okay, let me 
talk about Jeremy Kyle. 

857
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400
Okay. 
I freaking love Jeremy. 

858
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,900
I think from the moment that he 
Fell in love with me. 

859
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:51,700
Me know, right. 
And she's just like struggling 

860
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:55,500
because he's like I this is a 
man and I'm in love with a man, 

861
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:58,000
I guess I'm gay now. 
Like he's in a state like 

862
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
struggling with that the entire 
like 10 episodes where he's just

863
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,200
like, you know what, like I 
guess if I love him, then I do 

864
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,300
like, he's just like needs of 
makes peace with it finds out. 

865
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,300
He's a girl and he's like so 
happy. 

866
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:12,700
He's like, oh my gosh. 
Like I I don't have to worry 

867
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:15,400
about my sexuality. 
Like, this is a normal romance 

868
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,600
for me now, like so happy. 
And then the city bus scene or 

869
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,400
man's breaks down. 
I remember, I was like watching 

870
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,000
this at night in 2009 and I was 
like, sobbing in front of my 

871
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,600
desk because I was watching 
online and I was like, I don't 

872
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,000
know. 
So young at the time, right? 

873
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,700
And I was like, legitimately 
crying so hard at that scene 

874
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:42,000
with Jeremy in the bus because I
felt for Jeremy more than I did 

875
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,600
for shenmue for this entire, 
like series. 

876
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,000
Like, I felt like Jeremy 
deserved just as much Does the 

877
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,700
second male lead as soon as you 
did and he was like always so 

878
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:55,500
respectful and but also was like
very communicative about his 

879
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,000
emotions and I was just like and
then when he did his breakdown 

880
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400
from such a happy character to 
that, I was like I was 

881
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,900
distraught as a child watching 
this show and like, even 

882
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:08,800
re-watching it like I was like, 
how is it getting emotional? 

883
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,100
So like I love to Jeremy as a. 
Secondly. 

884
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:15,200
Like the whole thing was written
really well for him. 

885
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:18,200
Yeah, I agree completely. 
And you touched on something 

886
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,600
that I forgot to bring up in the
non spoilery section, but holy 

887
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,500
hell. 
So let's talk about the queer 

888
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,600
coding. 
And the fact that these gender 

889
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,800
benders from back in the day, 
we're like, the precursor to the

890
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,100
BL dramas that we have prevalent
today, which are really great. 

891
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,400
And I can't wait to dive deep on
some of those. 

892
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,100
But like, honestly, the fact 
that Jeremy's questioning his 

893
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,400
sexuality throughout much of the
first half of the show is like a

894
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,100
huge deal and he just comes to 
terms. 

895
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,600
He I guess I just like me. 
No, I mean yeah. 

896
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,500
And that's all there was to it. 
Like, he's very, I mean, he's 

897
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:57,500
asking some big questions here. 
None of the other guys having to

898
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:00,700
are having to deal with this and
he's like one step ahead. 

899
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:06,500
Like, do I like, guys now, yeah,
he's very scared about his 

900
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:09,800
growing feelings toward mean 
them and when he finds out that 

901
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,200
she's a girl who's very relieved
because it just kind of confirms

902
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,600
that he's not, he's not gay but 
honestly, Lee. 

903
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,700
It could, he was in that 
direction anyway. 

904
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,600
Like, he was like, I like this 
person as a person. 

905
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:27,100
Yeah, period. 
So it's really refreshing 

906
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:29,000
refreshing. 
Pretty Progressive. 

907
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,600
And again, a lot of these gender
Benders have this element to 

908
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,800
them like coffee prince, and 
Secret Garden. 

909
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,700
And the swaps and things that 
people, I think the other one To

910
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:42,100
the Beautiful You, which is the 
sports romance where she got 

911
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,700
like a ghost and takes her 
brother's spot in a sports 

912
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:48,800
college. 
I think they In Vibe you saying?

913
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,800
Yeah, and again, I'm not 
knocking the whole she's going 

914
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:56,100
masquerading as her brother 
because this is Tale As Old As 

915
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:56,900
Time. 
Okay? 

916
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:58,800
Shakespeare did it Twelfth 
Night? 

917
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,600
All right, it's old everyone 
does especially with the twins 

918
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,600
thing. 
That's yes, straight Twelfth 

919
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,900
Night, right? 
Hmm. 

920
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,600
I think that it's fun to go back
and think, like, what were, what

921
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,700
were people thinking, how are 
people may be feeling about this

922
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,700
back? 
In the day and I think more than

923
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,800
anything. 
It's a way to get some 

924
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,400
Progressive forward-thinking in 
a pill that people can swallow. 

925
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,200
Because this is Jeremy, is a 
very fun, charismatic character,

926
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,900
and he's sitting here like 
dealing with his feelings and 

927
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:37,500
it's comical, like people just 
laugh at it. 

928
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:40,700
But in the back of their minds, 
I mean they have to be wondering

929
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,200
like, oh my God. 
Like is he, who knows? 

930
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:47,700
Yeah, so it's very interesting 
and I don't know if you Had any 

931
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,300
thoughts about some of these 
storylines? 

932
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,000
That now we don't we don't 
really have any more because we 

933
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,900
just go straight to the source 
which is, you know, be Ells and 

934
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:02,400
girl loves stories as well. 
Yeah, no, I think it's super 

935
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,400
important that they did that 
because like, I don't know, like

936
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,200
I've never had to go through 
that myself, right? 

937
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,700
But I'm sure it is one of those 
moments where you're like, hmm, 

938
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:11,800
like you start questioning 
yourself and it is like a 

939
00:54:11,808 --> 00:54:14,100
struggle that you have to go 
through delay, come to terms 

940
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,100
with it, but I totally agree 
with Jeremy's character where he

941
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:22,700
was Like I think they painted 
him as such like a not like it 

942
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:26,700
just like as such a like a happy
positive person that it was like

943
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,500
he just was able to reach that 
conclusion. 

944
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,700
And you know, along the way they
obviously painted a lot of more 

945
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,700
like comical kind of like 
scenario driven things just to 

946
00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:38,300
make it more lighthearted. 
But like at the end of the day 

947
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:41,900
like when he is on the bus the 
first time with me Nam and he's 

948
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:46,100
like for this hour, I will just 
like you and he like comes to 

949
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,800
that conclusion and like States 
it I was like that's a big 

950
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,700
that's a big step, you know? 
Like for justice guy that like 

951
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:56,300
come to conclusion to so II do 
agree like I think it's really 

952
00:54:56,300 --> 00:55:00,900
important that they they kind of
like touched on some of these 

953
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:03,100
like transitioning moments back 
then. 

954
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,300
And yeah I'm sure like will see 
some of that you know, in 

955
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,000
today's world as well. 
But it was. 

956
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,200
Yeah, it was cute. 
The way that they had framed it 

957
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,900
in this kdrama. 
Mmm. 

958
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,500
Absolutely. 
I feel like just last word on it

959
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:20,100
I just Eel-like and nowadays, 
we'd rather not that we'd 

960
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:23,700
rather, but the stories are a 
little more serious in nature 

961
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:27,600
and they're not like rom-com 
esque, and so light. 

962
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,500
And fluffy like, consider either
one class which has a trans 

963
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:37,100
character in it and that was not
played for Laughs that much in 

964
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:40,200
that show at all. 
It was very much, a serious 

965
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:45,200
social commentary on Korea and, 
you know, the state of the lgbtq

966
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,300
community. 
So it was It's so interesting to

967
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:52,100
see how just like a few years 
later, we're getting these kind 

968
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:55,700
of Stories versus Jeremy and his
struggle in the first 10 

969
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,100
episodes paired with all of the 
other hijinks that happens with 

970
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,600
these characters. 
You have this one light cute 

971
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,800
character, people love him as it
is and he's got this little 

972
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,300
struggle, what he's doing with 
which is actually pretty 

973
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:11,500
important for sure. 
So I like that. 

974
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,600
I think lossing I want to say on
the second leads is I will say I

975
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,900
was really disappointed that the
And that we didn't get like our 

976
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:22,500
Union between mean, mm. 
You know mean yo and the second 

977
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:26,400
leaves like it was literally I 
mean the last episode was 

978
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,400
basically everyone telling take 
him like Hey figure it out buddy

979
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,100
like you gotta just put your 
pride aside and get it right but

980
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:38,300
at the very end like we get like
the big Grand gesture between 

981
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:40,600
the main love line. 
But then like there's I feel 

982
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,400
like there's a lot of 
friendships along the way 

983
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,300
between mean um and the second 
two guys and it just stopped 

984
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,200
that like we never really saw 
All that part of it. 

985
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,500
And I was like, oh, I would have
loved to just see them all 

986
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:53,100
actually still be friends 
because they spent a lot of time

987
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:56,000
together and sure there was like
these romantic feelings, but I 

988
00:56:56,008 --> 00:56:58,100
still feel like there was a lot 
of friendship things. 

989
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:00,900
I was going on to. 
So I wish that I had gotten 

990
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,800
that. 
At the end, you make an 

991
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,900
excellent point that the ending 
doesn't really bother with 

992
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:10,300
wrapping up her friendship with 
the other Angel members, this 

993
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,200
other lie to others, secondary 
leads and it's a bit of a shame 

994
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,200
because it's not It isn't just 
about the romance like you said,

995
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,500
it is about the friendship that 
you forged with them and how 

996
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:25,900
they came to truly care for her.
We do get like, even in other, 

997
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:31,100
like Boys Over Flowers, we get 
an ending with all ff4, and come

998
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:33,100
Dundee. 
And it's like, okay, we have 

999
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:35,100
like, we know what happens to 
all of them. 

1000
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,800
We know that how her 
relationship is with all the 

1001
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,800
members still. 
Yeah. 

1002
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,800
And we don't get this kind of 
moment with her and the boys, we

1003
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,600
just got it with her and Young. 
Yeah, which is a bit. 

1004
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,600
I mean Yeah, it's a quibble but 
I agree with it completely. 

1005
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:01,000
Let's talk about the male lead. 
So we already said that. 

1006
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:07,200
He's like mean, he's a prickly 
personality and she is very 

1007
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,100
childlike as we said before. 
And what is this? 

1008
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,500
Like, I, we talked about this 
briefly in the mr. 

1009
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:20,100
Sunshine episode, where, what 
does it say that? 

1010
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:24,700
Is it Is it subscribing to some 
sort of like Purity Concept in 

1011
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:30,700
the Korean Society, where you 
have these very childlike egg 

1012
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:36,700
yolk inexperienced, obviously 
virginal female leads, and then 

1013
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:41,900
you have these really mean, 
grumpy, male leads and they do 

1014
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:44,400
everything wrong, they make 
every mistake, they say, all the

1015
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,200
wrong words that they still end 
up together. 

1016
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:52,100
So, I don't know, I think it's 
the same thing like mr. 

1017
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:56,300
Sunshine's way more recent, but 
you know, that was also with the

1018
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:58,600
added bonus of, he's much older 
than her. 

1019
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:03,100
There's a giant age Gap and the 
female lead is much younger. 

1020
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:07,600
She's in her 20s. 
So, I don't know. 

1021
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:10,000
In this case, they take it a 
step further because she's a nun

1022
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,900
and like training to be a nun. 
And it's very much the sound of 

1023
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:17,900
music all over again or she's 
catching feelings. 

1024
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,600
You don't know what to do. 
She's scared and she's doing all

1025
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,100
these really crazy, ridiculous 
things. 

1026
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:27,500
She's doing the pig face being, 
I was over it. 

1027
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:29,900
I was over at the second time 
she did I was like, where does 

1028
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,600
this is too much every time I 
cute anymore, lat, I'm sorry. 

1029
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,900
I think like I don't know, this 
is like a common Trope. 

1030
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:45,100
I socially that was like bigger.
I think before like back then 

1031
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:48,700
with like yeah your kdramas I 
will say they always try to 

1032
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:53,800
redeem the male lead in some way
and sometimes they succeed but 

1033
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,500
like most of the time. 
They don't like, right? 

1034
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:59,100
Like I'm sorry taking. 
I'm like sorry, you have really 

1035
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:02,300
bad mommy issues. 
Like she seems like a really 

1036
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:06,100
terrible person but like yeah, 
it also doesn't justify like 

1037
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,300
one. 
Thing happening in your past for

1038
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:10,800
you to be just an asshole for 
the rest of your life, you know.

1039
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,900
Like that's like I just feel 
like they always try to do that 

1040
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:17,400
with the male leads and like I 
don't know, probably when I was 

1041
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,200
younger when I was sort of 
watching this, I bought it. 

1042
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,300
I was like, yeah, you know, sad 
boy, sad, boys can do bad things

1043
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:25,700
but like now that I'm older, 
it's like no, like you got it. 

1044
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:28,000
Like if you have problems go 
find help. 

1045
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,100
Like, don't take it out on this 
innocent female who's just 

1046
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,700
trying to be nice to you. 
And like, yeah, something that's

1047
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,500
like frustrating is like, you 
know, Miss always. 

1048
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,500
So nice and even when she does 
the nicest things, I feel like 

1049
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:42,300
taking is like really rude about
it, like, there is a scene 

1050
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:44,900
where, like, on his birthday, 
you know, he's like he has this 

1051
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:46,300
whole confrontation with the 
mom. 

1052
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:48,900
The mom forgets his birthday. 
So he goes back to the recording

1053
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,500
studio and he's like really sad.
She sees it and she's literally 

1054
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:54,700
like running to the convenience 
store trying to like buy him 

1055
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:58,400
water, replace the life and do 
like the nicest things for this 

1056
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,200
guy and literally he confronts 
her and he's like like did you 

1057
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,700
cause another problem again or 
at least know something along 

1058
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:06,100
those lines. 
And I was like, yeah. 

1059
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:10,300
Like really, you know, just like
be nice and they try to show the

1060
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,100
kind side of him and I get that,
that's what the drama writers. 

1061
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:17,200
And, you know, they tried to 
make it seem like he's a nice 

1062
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,400
guy with a bad boy like outside,
but like, sometimes it just 

1063
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,400
doesn't fly after like that many
episodes, you know. 

1064
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,100
And like, I don't know, going 
back, like, like, I feel like 

1065
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:31,000
the rough, like exterior. 
Like, sometimes you just need to

1066
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,200
drop that earlier on and not on 
the very last episode for us at 

1067
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,700
them be like, okay, We're like 
rooting for the couple so I 

1068
01:01:38,707 --> 01:01:40,100
don't know. 
That was always like a weird 

1069
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:42,500
part like even when the first 
watch it, so now, like 

1070
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:44,800
re-watching, I feel like the 
main lead. 

1071
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:47,600
A couple romance was always like
a little bit like hard to 

1072
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,000
swallow because of how quickly 
he can be. 

1073
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,800
Yeah, he's super unpleasant. 
He's rude. 

1074
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,000
He's constantly making wig out 
like he's always like, why is he

1075
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,700
always doing that face? 
The pouty face, the angry pouty 

1076
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:05,000
face. 
He's not nice. 

1077
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,500
And there's no reason for her to
to like him to fall for him, 

1078
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:17,800
he's male again, I think that 
The the the fact that it's 

1079
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,100
written by a woman is really 
annoying to me to women, right? 

1080
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:25,000
Is that you, you, they 
perpetuating this, this Trope, 

1081
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,900
this this cliche that she's just
going to fall for him, no matter

1082
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:32,400
what. 
And I don't see why I don't 

1083
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,700
really care about his mommy 
issues. 

1084
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:38,800
And the entire backstory, the 
fact that the Hong sisters tried

1085
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,400
to get us to believe that maybe 
they were siblings, and would 

1086
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,400
dick you'll get out. 
Out with that nonsense, which we

1087
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,300
again we had way more of that 
back in the day was like, oh 

1088
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:51,300
they kind of fall for each 
other. 

1089
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:54,300
Then it's like, hold the phone. 
They might be siblings. 

1090
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:59,300
I don't understand why they need
to do this to us emotionally. 

1091
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:03,700
Like now, I just feel achy about
it, flaky behind offices. 

1092
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:06,500
And I'm like, I don't need to 
feel this way like so I'll try 

1093
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:09,600
to make them related. 
I hated that. 

1094
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,400
I still do gross. 
I hate it. 

1095
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,500
Yeah, so things like that. 
And then it just got even more 

1096
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:18,700
complicated. 
The backstory. 

1097
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,200
I don't care. 
So, his stress, the fact that he

1098
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,800
can't work out. 
His trauma is very frustrating 

1099
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,000
to me because it's not like she 
doesn't have trauma, she has 

1100
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,200
trauma, but she's not a dick. 
So I don't get why it's okay for

1101
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,800
him and not, okay, for her. 
Something else that made me 

1102
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,300
upset was that she was, I don't 
know what the word is, but she 

1103
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:47,000
was always putting herself down.
And she was like, oh yeah, I 

1104
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,400
won't be a bother. 
Don't worry, I'll stay away from

1105
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,900
you. 
I'm not going to cause any 

1106
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:53,200
issues. 
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1107
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,000
And he was very arrogant and 
prideful and wouldn't apologize 

1108
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,500
when he knew he did something 
wrong or said something mean and

1109
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:07,000
it was just him doing very tiny 
gestures to try and make up for 

1110
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,100
it or show the audience that he 
cares. 

1111
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:15,100
And again it's not enough, it's 
really toxic and I don't like 

1112
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:19,700
Like how she is constantly 
trying to make up for wrongs 

1113
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:24,200
that she didn't do? 
And yes, yes she's clumsy but 

1114
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,900
like if you spill a glass of 
water, like there's nothing like

1115
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:30,200
what what else you want to do? 
She's gonna clean it up and say,

1116
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,100
sorry. 
And that's fine. 

1117
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:36,600
Yeah, but it was on an endless 
loop throughout the show and, 

1118
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,200
you know, I just, I think we 
challenge shows more than then 

1119
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:47,500
this now, right? 
We don't kind of let this be the

1120
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:51,600
end-all be-all of a show. 
And again, that's the problem. 

1121
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,500
L'm I guess what the show is 
that there's not much plot and 

1122
01:04:54,500 --> 01:04:58,100
this is like the conflict. 
Is them just having these little

1123
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,000
little arguments and little 
things and she's constantly 

1124
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:06,600
losing things and finding things
like the hair clip thing. 

1125
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:10,200
I got the hair clip like third 
time or whatever. 

1126
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,700
She loses that hair clip. 
I was like girl just throw it 

1127
01:05:12,707 --> 01:05:13,800
away. 
Oh my God. 

1128
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:19,800
We are over there clip now you 
know, like and I totally agree 

1129
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,200
with you where it's like I feel 
like She has a lot of like, 

1130
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,900
self-esteem issues, right? 
And I'm sure it's just she has 

1131
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:29,200
like a pretty rough pass so like
maybe that's what feeds into it 

1132
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,500
but like it does suck that. 
He never really brings her up, 

1133
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:35,200
you know? 
It's just like I agree nowadays 

1134
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,200
like we challenged these things 
a lot more waddling like 

1135
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,900
probably back then when we watch
it was like fine. 

1136
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:42,900
This was just normal like you 
did think about it. 

1137
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:46,500
But yeah like dude looking at 
this a second time it's like 

1138
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,000
just because you make your 
really cute stuffed doll with 

1139
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,500
like like a pig nose on a 
rabbit. 

1140
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,600
Stuff like that doesn't mean 
that you're actually being kind 

1141
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,100
to hurt, you know. 
It's like we, as viewers can see

1142
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:00,400
you care. 
But like, you need to be better 

1143
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,500
about communicating that because
this is not the right way to 

1144
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:06,900
handle relationship. 
So I totally get you. 

1145
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:11,200
Like they, she is very down on 
herself and like everyone around

1146
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,600
her. 
Praise on that. 

1147
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:16,600
And it's just, it's not a, its 
it is pretty toxic, like, even 

1148
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,600
like the code Uncle good, people
like the manager guy, you know, 

1149
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,000
he's like you That to his 
Advantage. 

1150
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,300
I mean, obviously the actress. 
Hey, she's like, you know, she's

1151
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:31,600
just freaking pokin holes all up
in her self-esteem and we can 

1152
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,600
get into them later. 
But like yeah, I just it sucks 

1153
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,500
that even the main Loveline, the
male lead just doesn't seem to 

1154
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:42,600
really help her self-esteem and 
lift her up. 

1155
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,900
It's just, you know, all this 
back-and-forth of like favors 

1156
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:48,700
and, you know, that kind of 
stuff, which is not the best way

1157
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,500
to start a relationship, but I 
guess it worked for them. 

1158
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,900
So, yeah, speaking of their 
relationship. 

1159
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:58,600
What did you think of the 
overuse of the star analogy? 

1160
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,100
Oh, my gosh. 
Robbed. 

1161
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:02,900
Our okay. 
Are you gonna hate me for this? 

1162
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:07,100
But I kind of loved it. 
Oh my God, it's so cheesy. 

1163
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,700
But it was perfect for that 
time, you know, like I hated it,

1164
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:13,300
but I loved it. 
You know what I mean? 

1165
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:17,100
It was like so over you. 
Is, it was so like gross, at a 

1166
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:20,300
certain point we were like 
really, like I can't see you in 

1167
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:21,500
the dark. 
I can see you in the light. 

1168
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:25,600
Like, all of those. 
It's so overdone, but I don't 

1169
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,000
know, man, 09 kdramas, like 
these overuse tropes. 

1170
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:34,300
Like I kind of the cheesy side 
of me is like, oh, I love it. 

1171
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
We gooey like just like let's 
let's love each other. 

1172
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,300
Like we're stars and the star 
necklace and you're my star, 

1173
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:44,000
your mind. 
Oh God, I kind of loved it. 

1174
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,500
I'm sorry. 
I think I loved it when they 

1175
01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:49,900
first did it, which I think was 
an episode 7. 

1176
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:52,000
They get lost in the woods. 
Woods. 

1177
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,400
Yeah, something at night is 
night blindness, which Allah I 

1178
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,900
guess yelling weakness. 
Yeah, one weakness. 

1179
01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:01,600
He has night blindness and he 
can only see the moon. 

1180
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:06,100
She calls the moon, a star, and 
then he corrects her, which is 

1181
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:09,700
like, again, like to shut up. 
Like, it's don't have to 

1182
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:10,800
correct. 
Every time she says something 

1183
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,500
slightly wrong. 
She says, even if the moon is 

1184
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,800
not a star, the Moon is useful. 
Mmm. 

1185
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:19,800
She ends up saying that I'm like
the moon that's just clinging to

1186
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,300
you. 
Who is like the And he says, the

1187
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:26,300
moon isn't useless, no matter 
how many other stars are are at 

1188
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:28,899
night. 
All I can see is the moon, which

1189
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:34,000
is like, it's very Swoon worthy.
Basically saying, all I see is 

1190
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,800
you, hmm. 
Which is fine. 

1191
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,600
Then they beat a frickin dead 
horse. 

1192
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,700
Yeah, with this star analogy 
over and over and over, and 

1193
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:46,399
over. 
Oh I can't see my star. 

1194
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,600
Oh I'm unable to see my star 
right now. 

1195
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,500
Oh my star shining so bright and
like shut. 

1196
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:55,600
Oh my God. 
I hated it because they just 

1197
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,200
they did they overdid it? 
Like to be quite honest with 

1198
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,000
you, if they had just referred 
to it one or two more times at 

1199
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,200
really good points throughout 
the rest of the show, I would 

1200
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,800
been totally fine with it, but 
the fact that the get, it was 

1201
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,399
like every episode, she's 
referring to him as a star, he's

1202
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,800
referring to her as the star, 
the moon, the sun, whatever, and

1203
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:20,000
I could not deal with it. 
I was very I mean, maybe I'm 

1204
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,100
just colder now than I was in 
2014 but I was like, oh my God 

1205
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:27,800
so much I get, you know, like I 
totally understand where you're 

1206
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,399
coming from. 
Uh, agreed. 

1207
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:34,600
That it was 100% over adopt, but
I feel like the o9k JAMA things 

1208
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,500
are just over done from the 
acting to the osts to these 

1209
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,800
cheesy tropes. 
Like everything is so 

1210
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,399
over-the-top over Don and that's
not like, I'm not gave it a 

1211
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:48,100
certain charm and I feel like I 
totally understand now you're 

1212
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:51,600
like, oh my God. 
So much, but I think in that 

1213
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,500
time it was, it was okay. 
And that was like, you know, 

1214
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,900
part of the reason why people 
love the K jobs because it was 

1215
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:01,300
so much, it was just so right at
the top. 

1216
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:04,300
So I don't know. 
I feel like it's a, you know, 

1217
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:07,200
it's relative now to like look 
at these things. 

1218
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:13,700
Speaking of relative, let's talk
about his mom because she's 

1219
01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:16,500
definitely a billion of the 
show. 

1220
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:21,100
And What the hell is going on 
with her? 

1221
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:23,900
I just thought I haven't seen 
it. 

1222
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,500
So that's the same mom from the 
airs. 

1223
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:27,700
Okay. 
Okay. 

1224
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:33,800
And it was like, she's actually 
the worst mom ever. 

1225
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,700
She abandons. 
Her child, I've really kind of 

1226
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:46,700
lows, her son and was obsessed 
with this song, writer who she 

1227
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:52,400
sang his song once and now she's
Kind of on the downhill trend 

1228
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,000
for popularity and she wants to 
redo the song. 

1229
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,700
She's trying to like pigeonhole 
her son into producing the song 

1230
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:07,000
and like I do not give a shit 
and then at the end she we find 

1231
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,200
out. 
She's completely delusional 

1232
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:12,600
because she stole the song 
bought the song from under 

1233
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:17,500
menials mom and who's an 
up-and-coming singer and the 

1234
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:22,000
recorded the song believed her. 
Her own bullshit, that the song 

1235
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,400
was written for her. 
The, the songwriter menials dad 

1236
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,500
wanted to get back with her. 
And it's like what? 

1237
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,300
Yeah, is this? 
Yeah, really messy. 

1238
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:36,600
It's really messy. 
I genuinely just disliked her 

1239
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,500
character from the beginning to 
the end. 

1240
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:42,800
Like she had no Redemption Arc 
like none of her reasonings. 

1241
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:45,000
Made me feel bad for her like 
just not. 

1242
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,400
She was. 
So she's just such a villain. 

1243
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,400
And like, to be honest, I didn't
know. 

1244
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:52,000
Why her storyline kept coming 
up? 

1245
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:55,100
Like literally I would be like 
all on the in gel train you 

1246
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:57,800
know, blah blah blah. 
And then we go to like the mom 

1247
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,700
and I feel like like why are we 
here? 

1248
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:02,500
Why are we talking about hard to
Mom and the aunt at some to in a

1249
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:04,900
room together? 
It just gives me so much 

1250
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:06,900
anxiety. 
Like I do not want to see on the

1251
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:10,000
video on the screen right now. 
Like give me back my my people, 

1252
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,100
you know and so I just didn't 
know where they were going to do

1253
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:16,400
what Their storyline. 
I guess at the very end, you 

1254
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,400
know, her whole situation with 
Minami. 

1255
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:22,500
Is Dad and I all that. 
Like, that was what broke the 

1256
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:24,700
main couple up. 
So I was like, okay, I guess 

1257
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:29,100
that's why she was a focus even 
at all for this show. 

1258
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:31,800
But yeah, I totally agree with 
you. 

1259
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,800
I was like, I do not care about 
all of your just delusional love

1260
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,300
things in your head. 
Like you're a terrible person 

1261
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:40,100
for abandon your son in the 
hospital. 

1262
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,900
You're a terrible person for 
like stealing music and like, 

1263
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:45,600
you know, trying to tell 
yourself that it was for you. 

1264
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,300
And like all of her scenes were 
just such a downer. 

1265
01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:51,800
So you just, yeah. 
Thinking and sad and 

1266
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,500
manipulating people like the 
entire time and I was like, girl

1267
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:58,500
get off screen like I do not 
care about get off the screen. 

1268
01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:03,200
Yeah she was super 
self-destructive a terrible mom 

1269
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:08,000
and I okay so here's the thing, 
I don't mind when moms are 

1270
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,800
flawed, people are human, that's
fine. 

1271
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,500
This lady didn't even try. 
Okay. 

1272
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:15,100
Yeah. 
Just tear did not even try and 

1273
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:18,400
the flashback that taking only 
has as a child like he was 

1274
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,200
eating with his mom. 
Out in a restaurant and she's 

1275
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:25,800
like don't make trouble for me 
and makes him eat shellfish 

1276
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:29,700
shrimp and he she doesn't 
remember the, he's severely 

1277
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:33,400
allergic so he just Downs the 
shrimp anyway, trying to not 

1278
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:37,800
make make waves, and he starts 
like having an allergic reaction

1279
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,300
starts coughing and like 
Breathing heavily and she's just

1280
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:42,900
like don't make trouble for me. 
Go to the bathroom quietly and 

1281
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:47,200
he has like I don't even know 
what he did to end the the 

1282
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,900
attack that he was having but 
this Flash Maxine was like very 

1283
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:56,500
telling and super heartbreaking 
and yeah, obviously he'd have 

1284
01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:58,300
trauma. 
Yes, he has abandonment issues. 

1285
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:02,600
Yes, he has mommy issues as a 
result of this terrible woman. 

1286
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,400
But like do I really feel for 
her at any point? 

1287
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,700
No. 
Do I feel for the aunt? 

1288
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:12,500
At any point mean yells Aunt, 
who comes to live with the boys 

1289
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:16,100
and then leaves and tries to get
the money out of the royalties 

1290
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:19,000
for the song that they're 
reading, shut up. 

1291
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,400
Yup. 
I don't care grade, a grade. 

1292
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,300
Okay, so let's start talking 
about hey who I think is a 

1293
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:31,400
actress and she starts causing a
lot of issues and trouble. 

1294
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,200
She thinks she's a second, 
female lead. 

1295
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:38,200
She's not like okay yeah. 
At home girls also. 

1296
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,900
So delusional. 
And she's just like mean for no 

1297
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:45,800
reason. 
And like I hate that she was a 

1298
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,900
villain because I feel like 
mean, mm or me know She should 

1299
01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:54,300
not have given this random lady.
So much power over her or it 

1300
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:56,600
just is causing all these 
problems. 

1301
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,600
And at the end of the day, I 
feel like hey did not like 

1302
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,600
suffer as much as I thought she 
would. 

1303
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:05,300
She's like my friends with 
fucking Mi Nam now. 

1304
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:07,500
And I'm like, what? 
Like this is. 

1305
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,400
So okay, sorry to me like oh not
her thing. 

1306
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,700
Just really irked me know. 
It hurts me too because she's 

1307
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:16,100
smart. 
Mhm. 

1308
01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:19,800
She's very quick intelligent. 
She's intuitive Of and she 

1309
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,800
figures everything out really 
early and she's manipulative, 

1310
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,600
but like, you got to give her 
props because she's getting info

1311
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,800
where other people were, like, 
the weren't gonna give her 

1312
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,500
anything. 
And she was pretending to know 

1313
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:37,100
the secret, and then she figures
it out honestly, very admirable 

1314
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:39,700
qualities. 
Like in a in any person like 

1315
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:43,500
she's very resourceful. 
She uses her powers for evil and

1316
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:45,700
she's constantly bullying mean 
yo. 

1317
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:51,300
Yeah, and manipulating her and 
menials like She has no powers. 

1318
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:58,300
She has no, no way to retaliate 
or, you know, out think like, 

1319
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,700
hey e. 
So it's very frustrating to 

1320
01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:02,900
watch her because she's, it's 
like a cat playing with a mouse,

1321
01:16:02,900 --> 01:16:05,700
you're like, okay, the mouse is 
never going to give away here. 

1322
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:08,300
Yeah, for sure. 
And I just feel like so much of 

1323
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:12,300
the plot moving forward is 
driven by just how mean Hayes 

1324
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:15,000
and I just don't love that. 
Like, like I think we touched on

1325
01:16:15,008 --> 01:16:17,000
this earlier, what the character
development, right? 

1326
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,300
But like, people are making 
decisions. 

1327
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,100
Because they're getting 
different or becoming better as 

1328
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:24,300
characters. 
They're making decisions because

1329
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,700
some really mean actress, lady 
is forcing you to do certain 

1330
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:31,000
things. 
And I just right, I hated that 

1331
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,000
she was just this overused plot 
device like over and over and 

1332
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,800
over again. 
Like the reason why the boys 

1333
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,200
find out that means a girl. 
Like that's because of hey you 

1334
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,400
know and like every single step 
of the way it's just hanging in 

1335
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,500
the background being like you 
let me make this happen and like

1336
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:49,300
she even when she dumped water 
on me now. 

1337
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:52,200
The state Kerry moment. 
Oh my gosh. 

1338
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,700
I just that whole thing. 
I was just like, why is he 

1339
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:58,300
behind all of this? 
Like, I just really, really 

1340
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:02,200
disliked her as a villain and 
like, I totally give it to her, 

1341
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,000
though. 
You're totally right. 

1342
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,100
Where she is smart and 
resourceful. 

1343
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:08,500
And she's like, the only person 
that is not who's, like, 

1344
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:11,600
figuring things out. 
But, like, yeah, just 

1345
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,900
frustrating that she's just such
a one-dimensional villain, we 

1346
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:18,900
don't even get a reason. 
Why, like, I don't even know why

1347
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:21,300
she really I came into the 
picture of than the fact that 

1348
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:24,300
like she just didn't like, how 
take him like treated her maybe 

1349
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:27,900
and then suddenly fell in love 
with him to like it was know 

1350
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,700
what I thought that was funny, 
was that she believed her own 

1351
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:36,300
hype like they were like, they 
say, we're a great couple of. 

1352
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,800
Yeah. 
So like we should be a great 

1353
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,100
couple and I'm like, lady. 
What are you doing? 

1354
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:45,400
Like, she's believing the 
headlines and her own hype which

1355
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,300
is rather stupid like in the 
grand scheme of things like we 

1356
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:54,800
Just like iping of her, her 
intelligence and like she's over

1357
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,200
here, just kind of like, I have 
this great guy and you're like, 

1358
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,100
no, like it's a fake 
relationship, fake, fake dating 

1359
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:06,700
Trope. 
And yeah, she's believing that 

1360
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:12,200
she can make a real and it's 
quite sad to see her just sort 

1361
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,700
of banging her head against the 
wall and torture menial. 

1362
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:18,900
And sorter the guys torture Tick
Young. 

1363
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:24,300
Because Tekken clearly like 
wants nothing to do with her and

1364
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:29,400
she like, she's inviting herself
over and having them make her 

1365
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,900
lunch and, you know, different 
photo shoots. 

1366
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:36,500
She invites herself on things 
and they're like, what do you 

1367
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,200
what it actually. 
What are you doing? 

1368
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:43,700
Yeah, it's pathetic. 
She's pathetic. 

1369
01:18:43,700 --> 01:18:47,200
Like ultimately, I just 
couldn't, I can't stand when 

1370
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,300
they just, I can see her doing 
it a couple times. 

1371
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,500
Is it was throughout like the 
show. 

1372
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:54,000
She didn't learn any lessons, 
she didn't have any sort of 

1373
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:59,500
Reckoning at the end. 
She I think proof of her. 

1374
01:18:59,500 --> 01:19:05,000
Redemptive Arc is a, she doesn't
tell the reporter, the truth and

1375
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,800
say, yeah, mean yo is mean, mm? 
Yeah. 

1376
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:14,000
She's playing her brother. 
Which I guess it's like the bare

1377
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,600
minimum, right? 
Like don't say anything but then

1378
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,600
she sort of gives it away as 
well when she like, pretends to 

1379
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,800
faint and the reporters. 
Like, just not, if you think 

1380
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:28,900
that I'm like, oh my God, so she
sort of gives it away and then 

1381
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:31,300
she tries to warn them. 
So I thought that was her 

1382
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:34,100
Redemptive Arc. 
That was pretty much it for her.

1383
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:39,100
And then me now, I'm the real me
Nam has a crush on her. 

1384
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,000
Evidently my gosh. 
I was so frustrated. 

1385
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:44,400
Stated I was like, okay first of
all they connect with your 

1386
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,600
sister, or maybe just download 
about how terrible this lady is 

1387
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,700
before. 
You're even like, I don't know, 

1388
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:52,400
like buddy-buddy with her like, 
oh, so bizarre. 

1389
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:56,800
I just, yeah, you know, II 
something else that was really 

1390
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:01,300
bothersome to me, is the fact 
that the twins do not in any 

1391
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:05,700
way, shape, or form seem like, 
siblings to me, they don't know 

1392
01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:09,100
anything about each other. 
She had no clue at all. 

1393
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:11,900
That her brother was trying to 
be a KPop star. 

1394
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:17,900
Trying to get into this company 
and was like, she had no idea. 

1395
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,400
Yeah. 
And then vice versa when the guy

1396
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,800
comes back. 
Her brother comes back of 

1397
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,300
evidently. 
They have no, no conversation, 

1398
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:29,600
no contact, she's missing in 
action. 

1399
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:30,900
The boys don't know where she 
is. 

1400
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:33,600
The brother doesn't give a shit.
Evidently, yeah. 

1401
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:37,100
I'm like, what kind of family is
this? 

1402
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:40,300
They're all they have, they have
nobody else. 

1403
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:41,900
No other family. 
The aunt sucks. 

1404
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,400
It's and that's it. 
They don't have Mom. 

1405
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,200
They don't have a dad, they grew
up in an orphanage. 

1406
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:50,600
I don't understand this 
relationship, so I don't know if

1407
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,700
you had any feelings for that. 
I have a little sister and I'm 

1408
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:57,200
like we're constantly texting 
like, hey, I'm at Publix. 

1409
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,900
Do you need anything? 
Like, you know what I'm saying? 

1410
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:02,700
Know, for sure. 
It's just there's so much, like,

1411
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:05,600
like I think at the very 
beginning, they tried to 

1412
01:21:05,608 --> 01:21:07,900
establish the Minami, no 
relationship. 

1413
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:10,900
Like they were both on the 
Carousel and the kids were all 

1414
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:13,400
bullying them. 
And then they were like, you 

1415
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,200
know, me now, like I'll find her
parents or something like that 

1416
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,200
and I was like, okay so they 
have relationship and then from 

1417
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,400
there on it was just like 
absolutely nothing about radios,

1418
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,300
brotherly relationship. 
Like also like, yeah, I get 

1419
01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:27,900
that, he's in the US and C's 
recovering from surgery, but 

1420
01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:30,400
like, would you guys not like 
message each other? 

1421
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,600
Like, yes, you not have phones. 
Like, maybe talk, like, have a 

1422
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,500
heart to heart to be like, you 
know, this is tough for me. 

1423
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:39,400
Like, do you really want this, 
like something to give us 

1424
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,200
something for that relationship?
And it was just like, Like 

1425
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,300
nothing. 
And I honestly, I will say when 

1426
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:47,000
I watch the show, like, I took 
it at face value the first time 

1427
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,500
around because I was like, hey, 
you know, it's just such an 

1428
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:52,200
afterthought and it's like, 
you're just so focused on 

1429
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:55,400
menials life and inside of angel
that you're not even thinking 

1430
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,300
about what the real mean on this
doing, right? 

1431
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,000
But like now the second time 
watching it, it's just so 

1432
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,500
bizarre. 
So, sleep with the ending where 

1433
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:06,000
you're just like, but like the 
brothers getting, with the 

1434
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,100
person who's so mean to Sister 
the whole time, like it's like 

1435
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,800
what? 
Yes, like this is relationship. 

1436
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:16,000
Could have easily been solved 
when menial was like, Hey, that 

1437
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,900
bitch was a bitch to me. 
Yeah, Peter thanks. 

1438
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:22,000
Don't even look at her. 
Yeah, one sentence. 

1439
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,000
I'll be like, oh, really weird? 
Okay, never mind. 

1440
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,100
That's all it takes. 
She doesn't have to even go into

1441
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,500
detail and be like she did x y z
to me. 

1442
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:34,100
She threw some water on me. 
She stole my hair clips you 

1443
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:35,100
live. 
Uh, no. 

1444
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:37,300
She doesn't need to go and see 
even that much detail. 

1445
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:39,000
Yeah. 
She just needs to be like stay 

1446
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,800
away from that hope and that's 
it. 

1447
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,800
Like, I would have been Enough. 
I would have been. 

1448
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,800
Okay. 
Yeah. 

1449
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,000
So weird and plus like I feel 
like with me not like the real 

1450
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,800
mean on, we never really get 
much of like how he integrated 

1451
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,900
into the groove because I bet 
that was so freaking weird for 

1452
01:22:55,900 --> 01:22:59,500
him to write because it's like 
yeah he went from having mean 

1453
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:03,500
you know, like pretending to be 
him now actually having the real

1454
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,300
guy and it would have been like 
I would have thought there would

1455
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:09,500
have been some fun moments 
there, probably could have been 

1456
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:14,100
like, you know, like it Grecian 
and like, are they friends like 

1457
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:16,000
that? 
They get along at the end, we 

1458
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,400
like, how did that all go but 
like nothing. 

1459
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,400
Nothing there, it's missing 
content. 

1460
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,300
You know what I'm saying? 
Like, how is it 16 episodes? 

1461
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:26,200
And then they get to the end. 
You're like, but wait, what 

1462
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,400
happened to, like how did we get
here? 

1463
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,100
And it could have been a neat as
easy as now they have mean, um, 

1464
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:36,300
the real guy and the three of 
them are trying to like, suss 

1465
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:40,200
him out and they offer him 
water, hot tea, or juice all 

1466
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,800
over again, the same thing that 
they did to me. 

1467
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,600
Neil and he chooses soda or 
said, like something off a wall,

1468
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,800
not even an option. 
He's not even picking sides 

1469
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,600
between the three guys and 
they're like, oh, that alone 

1470
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,100
would lend a lot of like, 
filling the gaps. 

1471
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,200
You know, what I'm saying? 
Between? 

1472
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:05,200
Okay, mean, you left to find 
herself, figure out her feelings

1473
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:06,800
heal, whatever. 
Mmm. 

1474
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,800
And now they have a brand new 
member that they have to 

1475
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:14,500
establish rapport with. 
Like how do we get to the end of

1476
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:21,000
the show so it's not done well 
back then. 

1477
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,800
Also, I feel like the end 
episode was never really a big 

1478
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,600
Focus, you know, like a boy, 
this is common for a lot of 

1479
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,300
older cage on this or it's like,
the inkstand all that is like 

1480
01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:35,300
the big focus and then to the 
end, it's kind of like, okay, 

1481
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:38,200
we're writing everyone off like 
put a bow on it, tied up, like, 

1482
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,700
send it out, you know, that's 
it. 

1483
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,700
And I feel like nowadays, it's 
actually like I don't like we're

1484
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:45,200
super critical that on post a 
playlist, but I feel like I'm 

1485
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,600
sure you are as well, your cage 
on reviews, but like the ending 

1486
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,000
is so important because that's 
like the last impression your 

1487
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:51,600
left. 
Yeah. 

1488
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,300
When you watch a kdrama and I 
feel like with your beautiful 

1489
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:58,700
like I, you know, first time 
watching I loved it and then the

1490
01:24:58,700 --> 01:25:01,800
ending even then felt like 
really sudden for me I was like,

1491
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,000
oh okay I guess it's just done 
now and I feel like nowadays 

1492
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,900
there's a lot more emphasis on 
that versus back then. 

1493
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:11,600
Like that was almost normal like
people didn't like she wasn't 

1494
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,400
due back. 
Badly because the ending was 

1495
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,200
bad. 
You know, great observation 

1496
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:17,800
that's a fantastic observation. 
There was more about the journey

1497
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:21,600
than the destination and I want 
the wedding, I want this, I want

1498
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,900
that and it's like you know back
back then that wasn't a focus. 

1499
01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:29,900
They weren't people are already 
going to show. 

1500
01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:32,100
If the ratings were high, people
were already going to show up 

1501
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:33,900
for the finale. 
They didn't need to do anything 

1502
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:39,200
special, to Foster more word of 
mouth or, you know, get people 

1503
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,400
in other in dollars an 
international audience. 

1504
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,800
There was I'm really an 
international audience outside 

1505
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,000
of East Asia in 2009. 
So you know what I'm saying? 

1506
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,700
Like there's been thinking about
different things now in 

1507
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:54,000
different audiences and you're 
absolutely right. 

1508
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000
That like the closing episode 
wasn't wasn't a thing. 

1509
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,900
Yeah, I also feel like now 
because like back then like, you

1510
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:05,100
know, you watch this on TV or, 
you know, as they came out first

1511
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:07,900
right now it's like, you know, 
streaming culture like that's 

1512
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:11,100
where everyone watches kdramas 
outside of, you know, Korea. 

1513
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:13,700
You know, everyone Is it on a 
streaming platform? 

1514
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:16,700
And like re-watch ability is 
something I feel like people do 

1515
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:19,500
think about now Morris? 
Yeah, maybe than before, because

1516
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:22,800
before I was like, it's on TV. 
It's done, you know, the ratings

1517
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,300
are good, okay? 
Like period end of story versus 

1518
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:29,300
now it's like can we keep people
like you know interested in 

1519
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:32,300
these shows coming up to 
multiple Seasons now to like 

1520
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:35,900
it's like a different Focus so I
don't know different different 

1521
01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:38,400
like things that people care 
about these days. 

1522
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:41,800
Yeah can we sell it overseas 
can. 

1523
01:26:41,900 --> 01:26:46,800
Go on Netflix, and it go here. 
And that's, I don't know if I 

1524
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:50,700
necessarily agree with that 
either, but there is like a 

1525
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:53,600
point to be made. 
Like this is they were focused 

1526
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,500
on different things back then. 
And this was largely for the 

1527
01:26:57,500 --> 01:27:00,500
Korean audience, and I maybe 
like the Korean audience, just 

1528
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:02,300
didn't like, they were like, I 
just want them to get back 

1529
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:04,300
together and that's that. 
Yeah, not that. 

1530
01:27:04,300 --> 01:27:07,900
It has to be this, like, Grand 
gesture and have all of these 

1531
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:11,600
points and needed to be checked 
off at the end. 

1532
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:17,500
Like we feel today. 
You know, speaking on that, I 

1533
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:20,800
feel like I didn't remember the 
ending as much as I remembered 

1534
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,700
other things in the show. 
Yeah, you know, like the 

1535
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:27,300
performances, like some of the 
photo shoots? 

1536
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:31,900
I remembered. 
I remembered the final episode, 

1537
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:37,600
I think where she again, they're
like, oh mean Times missing he's

1538
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,100
in whatever City it's not going 
to make it back the company. 

1539
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:44,600
President wants demands to see 
him because he's good feeling 

1540
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,700
some type of way. 
He's very suspicious that 

1541
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:49,600
they're pulling a fast, one on 
him or something. 

1542
01:27:49,900 --> 01:27:53,100
So we need you to be mean, I'm 
again, and I'm like oh I 

1543
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:56,300
remember this whole thing, she 
gets drunk and pick young 

1544
01:27:56,300 --> 01:28:00,500
recognizes her and takes her 
home and it's like I remember 

1545
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:02,400
that scene. 
I remember her like slumping 

1546
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,500
over on his lap and he's like he
like realizes oh it's my God. 

1547
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:10,600
Oh my God, she was missing all 
the stock. 

1548
01:28:11,700 --> 01:28:15,700
All that stuff. 
I remember her seeing Mother 

1549
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:18,100
Superior. 
Carrier a bunch and like 

1550
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,800
watching she kept praying to 
Mother Superior and I'm like, 

1551
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,400
but that's. 
Is that even a thing? 

1552
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,800
I don't know. 
I'm not Catholic. 

1553
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,000
So I was like, that seems a 
little wrong, isn't it? 

1554
01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:33,500
But like, Mary not Brothers. 
Why is she praying to the Mother

1555
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:35,500
Superior? 
I feel like she was, like, 

1556
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:39,000
trying to talk to the Mother 
Superior like as in like, give 

1557
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,500
me advice, you know, yes. 
You know what I mean? 

1558
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:43,100
It's kind of like, yeah. 
I don't know. 

1559
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:45,500
I guess Mother Superior is kind 
of like her mom. 

1560
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:47,300
This is Tuition, because she is.
Yeah. 

1561
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:51,300
Is like there and agree. 
Like there were definitely 

1562
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:54,000
things that stood out more so 
than the very end. 

1563
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,500
And I think it's just for me, is
more the comedy scenes that 

1564
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:02,200
really, really made this show. 
Great for me, like the random, 

1565
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:08,200
like, remake to stay did so much
like the side side scenes, you 

1566
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,100
know, that explain it while. 
But like, for example, every 

1567
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:14,000
time Jeremy likes his 
imagination runs wild. 

1568
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,900
I think it's so funny. 
The Watch the actors like act, 

1569
01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:21,000
so like dramatically and you 
know, for the sake of his 

1570
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,900
imagination or they'd also did a
bunch of like parodies to which 

1571
01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:27,000
I think. 
Yeah, it's a time, it was so 

1572
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,700
fun. 
I feel like around that era 

1573
01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:33,600
parodies are such a big thing. 
Like just everyone was doing 

1574
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,100
parodies of famous movies. 
Famous scenes, famous 

1575
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:40,400
commercials even, you know, they
integrated a lot of those into 

1576
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,300
the cage. 
I was like, I actually remember 

1577
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:45,400
a lot of those parodies more so 
than like some of the drama 

1578
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,500
scenes. 
Is there are just like shots so 

1579
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:50,100
funny in a way and I love my 
agree. 

1580
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:51,500
I agree. 
And that was some of the best 

1581
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:55,300
stuff was the comedy bits and 
the parodies the spoofs. 

1582
01:29:55,900 --> 01:29:59,200
The fact that I mentioned this 
earlier about the Hong sister, 

1583
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,900
sort of subverting expectations 
and tropes. 

1584
01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:07,300
I think an episode when she gets
drunk and you think that she 

1585
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:10,200
fought, she falls on Tick Young 
and you think that they kiss, 

1586
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:13,200
they didn't she vomited in my 
God. 

1587
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,200
So that's like a subversion, 
right? 

1588
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,200
You think? 
They had the, you know, smash 

1589
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,600
lips together and they're 
embarrassed, because of that. 

1590
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,900
No, she's mortified because she 
vomited in his mouth. 

1591
01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:26,200
So that's like, a subversion of 
the Trope. 

1592
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:31,600
I like, she goes into, they go 
into the, the showers on the 

1593
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,800
second floor of the building at 
some point, and she just 

1594
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,200
finished up a shower, but she 
sees them naked and they cover 

1595
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:45,500
the modesty clouds with people. 
So, yeah. 

1596
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:48,800
And she envisions them as like 
little cherubs and then they 

1597
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,100
turn into like children and that
helps her, like, get out of the 

1598
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:54,400
situation. 
She's just like, taking herself 

1599
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:55,400
out of it. 
Mentally. 

1600
01:30:56,900 --> 01:31:00,400
Let me see. 
They lock up in one of these. 

1601
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,500
Like, I don't know how to 
describe it, but you, you're 

1602
01:31:02,500 --> 01:31:07,800
talking about it where they have
like, an imaginary scenario and 

1603
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,700
they film it, and it's a parody.
And they did a parody of old 

1604
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:16,300
boy, okay? 
Cause the, do you remember Are 

1605
01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:21,500
you really so so funny. 
I totally that one really stood 

1606
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:25,400
out to me too. 
Yeah wait dumpling scene is I 

1607
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:31,300
call? 
Yes I think oh my God. 

1608
01:31:31,300 --> 01:31:36,700
She gets stuck on the top of a 
moving truck at one point. 

1609
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,500
Yeah. 
Then she like tosses the phone 

1610
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:41,800
or something and it lands on top
of the truck. 

1611
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:46,000
She goes to get it and passes it
back to take you on and The 

1612
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,700
truck starts moving and she's 
like, tolling on he doesn't 

1613
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:52,400
notice. 
And that's like really funny. 

1614
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,300
Got it slapstick, right? 
Slapstick, comedy, that kind of 

1615
01:31:56,300 --> 01:31:58,300
stuff. 
We don't get like. 

1616
01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:03,000
That feels very old school, 
kdrama to have like, a screwball

1617
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,800
comedy. 
Yeah, yes. 

1618
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:09,200
There's hijinks and kdramas all 
the time especially with a light

1619
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:15,800
rom-coms, but this type of like 
outrageous outlandish stuff. 

1620
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:20,600
Meaning is, is really kind of 
old school and it's nice to see 

1621
01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:24,600
a nice to return to. 
So, yeah, I miss it, like, 

1622
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,000
honestly, like when I was 
younger, I feel like that's what

1623
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,600
I loved about these like 
rom-coms, because the comedy was

1624
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,800
so, like, out there in a dumb 
way, but it just made me really 

1625
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,200
laugh. 
And now like, I don't know, even

1626
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,900
the rom-coms like I feel like 
there's not too many crazy 

1627
01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:44,800
comedy moments like, yeah, and 
it's like, I kind of miss it 

1628
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,900
because I made things. 
Feel unserious and versus know, 

1629
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:49,900
it's like, everything is so 
serious. 

1630
01:32:49,900 --> 01:32:53,200
And the little bits of Comedy. 
Like, don't like, like, don't 

1631
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,300
like, I don't know. 
Like over. 

1632
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:56,700
Yeah. 
But it wasn't bored. 

1633
01:32:56,700 --> 01:32:58,100
Am I looking for? 
Like it doesn't like they're a 

1634
01:32:58,108 --> 01:33:01,500
little more highbrow. 
Yeah, more highbrow forces, this

1635
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:04,600
is lowbrow. 
She what was it? 

1636
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,600
One time she goes, she's are 
sleeping in the same room and 

1637
01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:12,200
she, the manager gives her a 
taser gun just like he tries 

1638
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,100
anything. 
If he looks at you a certain way

1639
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:19,300
just like, Him. 
Yeah, so she manages to tase 

1640
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:23,300
herself. 
Oh girl and collapses on top of 

1641
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:27,000
him and they like she sleeps on 
top of him, the rest of the 

1642
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,300
night, but the fact that she 
manages to tase herself and said

1643
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:36,400
is like you would never see that
in the kdrama made in 2023 or 

1644
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,400
recently. 
So, yeah, it's it's a lot. 

1645
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:45,600
It's so much but it's what makes
these dramas? 

1646
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,300
Good. 
And I feel like, going back to 

1647
01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:51,500
the characters to it's like if 
the main female lead was not so 

1648
01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:54,800
clumsy and just like, oftentimes
frustrating to watch. 

1649
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,100
Like, I've like, they couldn't 
get away with some of these 

1650
01:33:57,100 --> 01:33:59,200
really dumb kind of Comedy 
moments. 

1651
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,100
Like yeah, we're like the going 
on a moving car. 

1652
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:04,900
Like those things wouldn't have 
stuck because like you'd been 

1653
01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:07,500
like why would a normal person 
have done something like that 

1654
01:34:07,500 --> 01:34:11,200
but because she's the way she is
and this character like it does 

1655
01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:14,400
help lend to that comedy aspect.
Yeah. 

1656
01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:20,300
So Some other comedy that it 
sort of delves into comedy, but 

1657
01:34:20,300 --> 01:34:24,700
it's the portrayal of like the K
Idol industry in general because

1658
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:29,000
I feel like they're, they're 
definitely talking about 

1659
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:33,700
specific like it's a specific 
culture that they're talking 

1660
01:34:33,700 --> 01:34:35,700
about in the show and this was 
2009. 

1661
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,500
I don't feel like much has 
really changed. 

1662
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,300
Don't I'm saying, yeah, I 
totally agree. 

1663
01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:44,000
I mean, they touch on it a lot 
and I guess, like, in this show,

1664
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,400
Angel is kind of like a more 
Lished group now. 

1665
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,200
So, they're not like, kind of 
the rookie. 

1666
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,200
Like, they're like, big and 
Korea, right? 

1667
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,700
And so they talked about a lot 
of things they have to do is 

1668
01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:54,000
work. 
He's like the really dumb 

1669
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,300
reality TV shows that they had 
to do. 

1670
01:34:56,300 --> 01:34:59,100
And like, yes, you know, the 
radish eating scene with the 

1671
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:03,200
most ridiculous but like, I 
don't know, I just think is 

1672
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,700
interesting, especially the 
second time watching this where 

1673
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:08,100
I caught a lot of those moments 
where it says, you know, the 

1674
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:11,000
first time I feel like it kind 
of went over my head but I was 

1675
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,600
like well, you know, they are 
really talking about the things 

1676
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,700
that these Idol trainees have to
do. 

1677
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:19,800
In order to promote their group 
and artists like make it big in 

1678
01:35:19,808 --> 01:35:22,700
this world. 
And plus, I feel like some of 

1679
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:24,800
the things that they mentioned 
that were kind of just in 

1680
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,500
passing. 
Just felt really like 

1681
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,000
exploitative in a way like it 
was like the whole sticker 

1682
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,300
thing. 
I don't know if you remember, 

1683
01:35:31,300 --> 01:35:34,700
but it was like, they go into a 
shop on taking one's birthday 

1684
01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:37,500
and they're like, oh there's 
stickers and like the group had 

1685
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:41,300
like no idea that that was a 
thing and I was like they're 

1686
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:43,200
like this is literally your 
image, you know? 

1687
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,600
Like it's just kind of like 
subtly in the back. 

1688
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,900
Ground at that. 
It was like oh they're just kind

1689
01:35:47,900 --> 01:35:50,900
of taking advantage of your idol
image and like you don't really 

1690
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:54,600
know what is being passed around
to the fans and to everyone. 

1691
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,700
Yeah. 
And now you've been like, the 

1692
01:35:56,700 --> 01:35:59,800
whole reason why, I mean, you 
have to step in, to pretend to 

1693
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,300
be mean on was because the 
manager told me time to get eye 

1694
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:06,100
surgery and I was, oh, yeah. 
Like I was like, okay. 

1695
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,600
Like we just really brushed over
that right? 

1696
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,100
Because it's like, oh yeah, 
right fun, but like now watching

1697
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:15,200
the kennels like do this kind of
stuff like I get it. 

1698
01:36:15,900 --> 01:36:18,600
This tree and maybe that's what 
people have to go through, but 

1699
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,100
it's like, man, like you have to
get surgery just to do it like 

1700
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:24,000
that. 
I don't know, just doesn't sit 

1701
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,100
right with me the second time 
watching it and I feel like it 

1702
01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:29,200
was just so different back. 
Then that I didn't even think 

1703
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,400
about it. 
But now I'm like man that's not 

1704
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,200
cool. 
Absolutely and they play for 

1705
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,800
Laughs because the managers like
I just told him to get a little 

1706
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,300
work done before he signed the 
contract. 

1707
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:42,300
Yeah. 
Now he's sleeping like this and 

1708
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:45,700
he doesn't look like he crosses 
his eyes and I'm like, what kind

1709
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,500
Kind of syrup. 
Where did they take? 

1710
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:50,900
It was just a back-alley plastic
surgery that they had because 

1711
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:53,700
Korea's like the plastic 
surgery, capital of the world, 

1712
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,500
so it makes no sense that his 
surgery was botched to that 

1713
01:36:56,500 --> 01:36:58,900
effect. 
And then he had to go to the us 

1714
01:36:58,900 --> 01:37:01,600
so that I could fix it and he 
can recover weird. 

1715
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,700
I was like none of this makes 
any sense. 

1716
01:37:03,700 --> 01:37:05,200
But yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1717
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:11,800
The underlying like thesis is 
that they all have to change and

1718
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,600
get plastic surgery to look a 
certain way to appeal to a 

1719
01:37:14,608 --> 01:37:18,300
certain audience. 
And that's just normal. 

1720
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:22,800
That's not asking a lot of these
people that's just bare minimum 

1721
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,700
is that they need to look their 
best. 

1722
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:27,800
They need to have the double 
eyelid surgery. 

1723
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,100
They need to have fun nose job. 
They need to have their face 

1724
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:34,400
shave in. 
They need to, you know, work out

1725
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:39,700
and look good. 
And it's like very Problematic. 

1726
01:37:39,700 --> 01:37:43,200
Yes, even though like it's a 
cycle and we feed into it and 

1727
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:47,700
whatever and talking about, we 
like fans in general, the fans 

1728
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:50,800
that are camped out outside the 
company at all hours. 

1729
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,000
I was very, I remember watching 
in 2014 and thinking, what are 

1730
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,500
they doing? 
I don't understand why, they're 

1731
01:37:57,500 --> 01:38:00,200
just outside all the time. 
Are these students like I had 

1732
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,800
all these questions? 
Now, I understand that this is a

1733
01:38:03,808 --> 01:38:08,300
take on like the SAS saying fans
who are constantly following 

1734
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:09,000
around. 
Round. 

1735
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,000
Yeah, their Idols to the 
detriment and like secure 

1736
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,200
security Hazard of their 
favorite Idols. 

1737
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:22,700
So it's very problematic and the
way that like the media is 

1738
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:27,800
portrayed as well is very toxic 
and weird and the paparazzi is 

1739
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,400
it's not just like the 
paparazzi's following them 

1740
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,100
around. 
It's like they're writing 

1741
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:37,200
incendiary like gossip about 
them and it's affecting their 

1742
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:38,400
lives. 
Their careers. 

1743
01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:42,200
And they have to Blink play 
along and the fake dating thing.

1744
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:46,800
And yeah, I mean, all of it is 
not wrong. 

1745
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:51,300
Look, they're still not. 
It's not an accurate to to have 

1746
01:38:51,300 --> 01:38:55,400
all of these things going on in 
the periphery Four Angels. 

1747
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:59,700
So it's sad. 
Yeah, it really is and like even

1748
01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:02,700
the fan thing, you know, I would
have loved to see the fandom 

1749
01:39:02,700 --> 01:39:06,400
been more toxic almost. 
Like if we could have invited 

1750
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,100
them to be more of the villain 
roles I Feel like that could 

1751
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:11,700
have been a really fun as well. 
Because like, I don't know, 

1752
01:39:11,700 --> 01:39:15,900
like, I've heard news articles 
of just like, really bad crazy 

1753
01:39:15,900 --> 01:39:18,500
fans out there. 
Yeah, we're doing, like, just 

1754
01:39:18,500 --> 01:39:20,900
dangerous stuff. 
Like, I don't know, like, I 

1755
01:39:20,900 --> 01:39:24,000
don't want to get into specific 
examples, but like even recently

1756
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,800
like I didn't, there was like an
article that came out about BTS 

1757
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:29,800
member Jin. 
He's like in the Army and then 

1758
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,900
like nurse like and the Army 
left her post, like give him a 

1759
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:35,300
vaccine. 
Like that kind of stuff. 

1760
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:37,800
It's like insane, you know. 
Yeah. 

1761
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,600
Like it's like These hands are 
at even know, she's like a fan 

1762
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,700
or if she's just like somebody 
who wanted to get involved. 

1763
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:45,500
But anyways, go back to this 
kdrama, it would have been fun 

1764
01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:49,200
to see some of those like Angel 
fans like really get involved 

1765
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,700
and like make things messy from 
Members. 

1766
01:39:51,700 --> 01:39:54,300
You know, they could have been a
more fun villain than just kind 

1767
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:57,100
of reusing. 
Hey, for everything, at least in

1768
01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:59,100
the beginning, like, that would 
have been a cool angle. 

1769
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:00,500
You know. 
Absolutely. 

1770
01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:05,400
Because there's endless horror 
stories that are true about 

1771
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:08,000
these terrible. 
Like I can't even call them fans

1772
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
like there. 
They're just, they're not fans 

1773
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,000
at that point. 
Yeah. 

1774
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,400
Yeah. 
And the BTS thing, I think, what

1775
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:19,100
was it? 
A train operator or some 

1776
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:21,800
somebody employed by the train 
company was giving out. 

1777
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,900
Oh, yeah. 
When RM was taking the train and

1778
01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:29,400
would tell their friends like, 
which seat he was in so that 

1779
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,700
they could sit next to him or 
close to him. 

1780
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:36,400
And Jungkook just said something
to them about, like, stop 

1781
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:40,300
sending me food because they His
address and kept sending him 

1782
01:40:40,300 --> 01:40:41,700
food. 
Yeah. 

1783
01:40:41,700 --> 01:40:44,200
And he's like, what the can eat 
it. 

1784
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,000
And I like it. 
Yeah. 

1785
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,600
Like you can't eat stuff like 
that. 

1786
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,200
Like, you don't know what they 
put into that food, you know? 

1787
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:50,600
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1788
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,400
I don't know. 
There's like I've seen a lot of 

1789
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:56,200
just like rumors about that 
specific K. 

1790
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,600
That girl who likes sent him the
food. 

1791
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,600
Like she's like, kind of crazy. 
Like she's right. 

1792
01:41:01,700 --> 01:41:04,900
Like this isn't okay. 
Yeah it's insane. 

1793
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:07,400
And I think that would have been
fun to explore it, you know? 

1794
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:08,400
And this cage. 
Yeah. 

1795
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:11,600
Context, is he had all the 
characters ready, but like right

1796
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,600
at do too many bad things other 
than just like, you know, quote 

1797
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,300
unquote defend their oppas, one 
like bad things happen, but 

1798
01:41:17,300 --> 01:41:20,100
like, it would have been fun to 
see like some of the crazier 

1799
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:22,500
sides of those fans, that it 
would have been interesting. 

1800
01:41:22,700 --> 01:41:25,700
Absolutely. 
So one of the last things that I

1801
01:41:25,708 --> 01:41:31,400
have in my notes has to do with 
this cliche that is in kdrama 

1802
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,000
and sometimes it works. 
Sometimes it doesn't. 

1803
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:37,800
I don't think it worked here. 
So in episode 15, they break up.

1804
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:40,700
Yes, right. 
She'll eat. 

1805
01:41:40,700 --> 01:41:44,900
She was like planning to leave 
after the Japan trip and pick 

1806
01:41:44,900 --> 01:41:45,900
him. 
Didn't know. 

1807
01:41:45,900 --> 01:41:48,200
And then he goes to see her back
in Japan. 

1808
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,900
Like he just makes that trip 
like two or three times I don't 

1809
01:41:50,900 --> 01:41:52,200
even know. 
Just make it happen. 

1810
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:57,100
Yeah, but he is like he's very 
sad. 

1811
01:41:57,100 --> 01:42:01,900
The whole scene is very angsty 
and to me I don't even get why 

1812
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:06,800
she has to leave this. 
In this case, it really it 

1813
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,200
didn't make much sense to me. 
It's not that. 

1814
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:13,100
The usual case is all. 
They have to realize their 

1815
01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:17,100
feelings to get back together. 
They know their feelings. 

1816
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:19,100
They know that they like each 
other. 

1817
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:25,400
It's just that she needs time to
heal and that he's been very 

1818
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:30,100
selfish and the birth Secrets. 
Got all intertwined. 

1819
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:32,800
Yeah, her mom. 
His mom is terrible. 

1820
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:36,800
She hates his mom. 
Yeah, she's very emotional and 

1821
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,200
take young. 
Just needs to respect her pain 

1822
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,100
as she gets through this. 
Hmm. 

1823
01:42:42,700 --> 01:42:49,100
And I don't like this sins of 
the father shit where they 

1824
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:51,700
didn't make the same exact 
mistakes as their parents did 

1825
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:55,400
but they have to deal with the 
Fallout of the first Generations

1826
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,700
trauma. 
So essentially generational 

1827
01:42:58,700 --> 01:43:04,100
trauma in a kdrama sense and I 
just don't I don't Stand by 

1828
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:06,300
that. 
Like, in the writing of it I 

1829
01:43:06,308 --> 01:43:08,100
just was like I don't I don't 
get it. 

1830
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:11,600
Like she doesn't need to 
disappear, she could just be 

1831
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:16,600
like, look, I'm gonna go to Fiji
for I don't know how long I'll 

1832
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,100
let you know when I get back. 
Yeah. 

1833
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,700
It doesn't need to be this whole
like mysterious thing and like 

1834
01:43:22,700 --> 01:43:25,700
the whole like you see him 
grabbing her hand. 

1835
01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:29,100
Great. 
Okay. 

1836
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,200
Yeah. 
Like what did you do? 

1837
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,300
How do you feel? 
About that sort of thing 

1838
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:37,500
happening in the very last 
episodes. 

1839
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:42,400
Usually of a kdrama as I think 
this one was like yeah I knowing

1840
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,900
I think but it should have 
happened earlier if it was gonna

1841
01:43:45,900 --> 01:43:50,100
happen. 
I also like it's tough because 

1842
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:53,000
it's like, I understand. 
Like the generational trauma is 

1843
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,400
weighing down on both of these 
characters, but neither of them 

1844
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,500
really changed for the better 
because of it also. 

1845
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,400
And so it was like they broke up
but then He's still a same way 

1846
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,800
towards her and then she still 
sees the world the same way. 

1847
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,100
So it's like, I don't know what 
this did for both of them as 

1848
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:12,600
people. 
It's like, you know, you always 

1849
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,500
hear about, like, you know, 
there's like reality TV shows 

1850
01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:17,700
where it's like, oh, this 
ex-couple, are they going to get

1851
01:44:17,700 --> 01:44:19,500
back together? 
And then, you know, the 

1852
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:23,200
commentary is always like, well,
if neither of them changed like,

1853
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,500
what is the point of them 
getting back together and I feel

1854
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:29,000
like it was similar for this or 
it's like they couldn't get over

1855
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,400
there, both both of their 
internal issues with their 

1856
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,700
families, but I feel like even 
tour The end that's so didn't 

1857
01:44:34,700 --> 01:44:36,800
really happen. 
Like when you land the mom had 

1858
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,600
like, a heart-to-heart where she
was like, you know, be nice to 

1859
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,000
your son. 
But like I'll tell ya like I 

1860
01:44:42,008 --> 01:44:47,700
don't feel like it really did 
too much for them as people, so 

1861
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:50,800
it was like, okay, but I 
understand for the sake of the 

1862
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,500
plot, they needed that break, 
but I think it would have 

1863
01:44:53,500 --> 01:44:57,100
benefited happening earlier and 
then really kind of like delved 

1864
01:44:57,100 --> 01:45:01,400
into how they healed and how 
they overcame this trauma, you 

1865
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,100
know, even together, you know 
after doing It separately and 

1866
01:45:04,100 --> 01:45:07,000
kind of figuring out together 
that would have been nice, but 

1867
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,800
it just felt like a plot device 
in this situation. 

1868
01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:14,500
Also, as a means to bring in the
mom and her whole sad story this

1869
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:16,800
whole time. 
So like I'm like, I get it. 

1870
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,800
But yeah, I totally agree with 
you were. 

1871
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:22,300
I don't think it really works 
out well, for this drama, like 

1872
01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:25,400
things didn't really add up and 
like, even at the very end, she 

1873
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,300
still goes like, Africa. 
Something like well, he was 

1874
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:37,200
like, I'm still going to be like
So yeah, places and again, like 

1875
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:40,600
I don't again this hasn't 
improved much. 

1876
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,900
I don't think in kdramas but 
she's like I'm going to Africa 

1877
01:45:42,900 --> 01:45:44,600
and it's like Africa is a 
continent. 

1878
01:45:44,900 --> 01:45:46,900
Oh my gosh. 
We're in Africa. 

1879
01:45:46,900 --> 01:45:48,500
Are you going? 
You know? 

1880
01:45:48,500 --> 01:45:51,200
Yes, very true. 
I feel like so many k jobless. 

1881
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:53,600
That's like such a big thing, 
right? 

1882
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:58,200
Like are you going to Botswana 
Nigeria stuff? 

1883
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:01,800
Like where girl? 
She's like I'm going Africa. 

1884
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:05,900
It's like okay. 
Okay, all right for sure. 

1885
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,800
Oh man, also the star necklace. 
What do you think? 

1886
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:14,000
What was it with the mid 2000s? 
Late 2000s, and the frickin star

1887
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,400
necklace? 
Because I do remember there 

1888
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:19,400
being a star necklace in Boys 
Over Flowers as well. 

1889
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,400
And I was like it was that just 
like a thing back then that they

1890
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,800
were constantly invoking. 
The stars and Celestial things. 

1891
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,000
And then, yeah. 
They get a necklace. 

1892
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:31,900
Yeah, and now it does star 
necklace. 

1893
01:46:31,900 --> 01:46:34,700
I totally agree. 
It's Always popping up Stars was

1894
01:46:34,700 --> 01:46:37,500
like the thing, you know, like 
thing all types of stars, but 

1895
01:46:37,500 --> 01:46:39,800
metaphorical stars real star. 
It's okay. 

1896
01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:46,400
My love from another star, like 
it's all but honestly, I kind 

1897
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:48,300
of, I still love it. 
I don't know those like, she's 

1898
01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:51,000
you metaphor is, I'm a sucker 
for so I can't even complain. 

1899
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,700
All right, all right. 
All right, fair enough? 

1900
01:46:54,900 --> 01:46:57,200
Yeah, I think I've come to the 
end of my notes. 

1901
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:01,900
The only notes that I have are 
just like wardrobe because at 

1902
01:47:01,900 --> 01:47:04,600
one point she's wearing The 
double Polo. 

1903
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,000
A polo shirt inside of another 
polo with the popped collar? 

1904
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,800
Do you remember that? 
Stabbed like the alternating 

1905
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:14,100
Polo colors and that they were 
wearing two shirts? 

1906
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:18,900
Look, I thought they looked 
great back in 09 and I was like 

1907
01:47:18,900 --> 01:47:23,500
that, those like those outfits. 
I was like, yes, what the motto 

1908
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:27,200
she was wearing, like the plaid 
pants again, red plaid pants 

1909
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:31,000
with the leather jacket and 
everything so just like gets 

1910
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:36,400
high. 
Cool and the hair and the makeup

1911
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,400
to the amount of black eyeliner 
they put on take young. 

1912
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:46,600
I was like damn damn oh yeah, 
look my hair evolution as well 

1913
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,400
that was great to see and I 
think the only outfit that 

1914
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,100
really bothered me was every 
time they put him in something 

1915
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,700
that was almost off the shoulder
like, tickle. 

1916
01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:58,700
Oh yeah. 
It looked very feminine and then

1917
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,800
they kept doing. 
I think it was only two times 

1918
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,600
but I was like that's enough. 
He had a blouse. 

1919
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:08,600
It was a blouse that swooped 
down in the front. 

1920
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:10,500
Hmm. 
I bet it was like, you remember 

1921
01:48:10,500 --> 01:48:13,000
these? 
It looks like a frickin curtain 

1922
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:15,600
on him. 
I was like he's wearing a 

1923
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,200
curtain and then they change. 
They did another one. 

1924
01:48:18,300 --> 01:48:21,200
It was like a first, he had a 
gray and then the flag, but then

1925
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:23,400
it was black and then there was 
like, a red one. 

1926
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,000
I was like, it's never ending. 
Yeah. 

1927
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,800
So that stuff made me laugh as 
well. 

1928
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,600
It was just very comical to 
return to that someone commented

1929
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,000
on a tick tock that I did about 
it. 

1930
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,800
And Instead, he looks so good, 
wearing that kind of stuff as a 

1931
01:48:36,808 --> 01:48:40,400
model. 
And I was like, okay, just 

1932
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:44,500
because it's on the runway 
doesn't mean that it should be 

1933
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:51,800
on a Kpop started in a kdrama. 
So, yeah, it had a lot of fun 

1934
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,100
with that. 
It was fun though, you know this

1935
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:57,200
is like the part of like the old
kdramas and I'm like I love it 

1936
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,900
because watching it you're just 
like it, brings you back to a 

1937
01:48:59,907 --> 01:49:02,300
time where that was that was 
cool. 

1938
01:49:02,300 --> 01:49:06,200
Like people are that and it was 
like house shit and hair, the 

1939
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,800
hair styles and everyone had to 
you're like dude, that guy was 

1940
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:14,200
cool back in 09. 
He was styling, this was 

1941
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:15,300
fashion. 
Yeah. 

1942
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:19,200
Okay, yeah. 
It had a lot of fun with it. 

1943
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:23,300
Ultimately, you know, it take 
what we say with a grain of 

1944
01:49:23,300 --> 01:49:25,300
salt. 
You can watch this for yourself,

1945
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,900
it is available on Viki. 
If you want to watch, you are 

1946
01:49:28,900 --> 01:49:32,300
beautiful and let us know what 
you think about it. 

1947
01:49:32,300 --> 01:49:34,900
If you agree with our 
assessment, if you're kind of 

1948
01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:37,200
like I can't get into it. 
That's fine. 

1949
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:39,400
That's fine. 
It's not every kdramas for 

1950
01:49:39,407 --> 01:49:42,600
everyone and the older ones do 
you have a lot of merits, 

1951
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:46,300
they're very nostalgic for us 
and for other viewers and 

1952
01:49:46,300 --> 01:49:48,400
sometimes if you just didn't 
live through that era, there's 

1953
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,400
no way that you could do. 
We're gonna release. 

1954
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,600
This is some of the things. 
So yeah. 

1955
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:56,800
But II, think I encourage people
to watch older kdramas. 

1956
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,200
I just see for yourself. 
Yeah, honestly, I feel like 

1957
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:04,400
you're beautiful feels like a 
Kpop fan fit come to life, you 

1958
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:05,700
know? 
Like that's what it is. 

1959
01:50:05,700 --> 01:50:08,000
Yeah. 
It's like if you have a little 

1960
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,900
bit of the delusional, Kpop fan 
in, you, you will eat this up 

1961
01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:14,700
because you're like it, that 
could be me, you know? 

1962
01:50:14,700 --> 01:50:18,100
I could be an innocent girl, 
where all three of like, my 

1963
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:21,500
favorite band peppers are. 
Level 3, you know, like I feel 

1964
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:25,900
like that is audience and like I
don't know if they did ever do a

1965
01:50:25,900 --> 01:50:29,100
remake and like know, kind of 
fix some of these nitpicky 

1966
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:32,000
things that we have, I would 
watch that in a heartbeat. 

1967
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,300
So you're absolutely right 
because sometimes I miss one 

1968
01:50:35,300 --> 01:50:37,800
like plots go off-roading. 
You know what I'm saying? 

1969
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:40,200
Like this thing starts on your 
life. 

1970
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:47,400
This is ludicrous but I'm bored.
I'm here, I'm sitting here, I'm 

1971
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,800
ready. 
Yeah, and there's really 

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enchanting about watching 
something that you just have to 

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suspend your disbelief over. 
Yes, we have a ton of nitpicky 

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things. 
Yes, we can't get over some 

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things, but ultimately, it's it 
made us laugh. 

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It entertained us. 
And it's just like watching like

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a freaking Fast and Furious 
movie. 

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It's like, you're not in it for 
the, for the realism. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Thank You Jennie. 
So much for coming on the 

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podcast for talking at length, 
about your beautiful year. 

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First key drama ever, I really 
appreciate you coming back on 

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the goblin episode is actually 
like doing done really well. 

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I think it's like the second 
most popular episode on the box.

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So, yeah, I'm hoping that people
will enjoy this one too and get 

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a lot of good. 
A lot out of it because we, we 

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did. 
We did just in case. 

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People don't know about Porsha. 
Where can people find you 

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online? 
Yeah, so we are opposed to a 

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playlist. 
We review kdramas, we're on 

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basically all of your podcasts 
platforms. 

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So Spotify and Google podcast, 
Apple podcasts, Etc. 

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So if you want to follow us on 
our social media, we do have 

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Twitter Tick, Tock Facebook, as 
well as Instagram and our 

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handles just at poach a playlist
and then yeah if you want to 

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check out our episodes, we do 
release some every week and we 

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try to keep up to date with the 
newest released kdramas. 

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So we do put out an episode 
every week for those, so come 

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check us out. 
Nice. 

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I love Pooja playlist. 
And well, that's it. 

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That's been our show. 
I'm Jessica. 

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And this has been that they 
Bucky room Bulls podcasts.