1 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,840 I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles where a couple of 2 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,320 friends review Korean dramas and we are back for I think the 3 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,720 season 6 kick off. I think this is the first 4 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,960 episode of Season 6. I'm sorry, I'm kind of 5 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,400 discombobulated and I don't really know because I think you 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,800 and I, me and my guest really wanted to talk about this show. 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,640 And so this is technically the hiatus off time offseason, but 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,440 we're here and we're going to talk about Squid Game Season 2. 9 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,560 I am joined by Miguel. How are you, Miguel? 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,960 How's it going? I'm well, thank you. 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,680 How are you? I am good. 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,720 We had a really nice lunch earlier. 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,440 We had Korean barbecue and it was delicious. 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,440 And for those who don't know, Miguel is one of my oldest K 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,360 drama friends. And you can listen to Miguel on 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,440 a number of episodes, including Squid Game season one. 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,800 That was the very first episode you were on in 2021. 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,120 It's been like four years. It's shocking. 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,880 You've been on 2521, Snowdrop, First Love the Glory, Alice in 20 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,720 Borderland most recently. And so we're back and we're 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,720 going to talk about Season 2 of Squid Game. 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,600 But before we do, if this is your first time listening, go 23 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,640 ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app. 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,520 We're on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcast and many more. 25 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,480 And if you like us, please give us a five star review on Apple 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,720 Podcast and Spotify. That goes such a long way for 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,640 us. And then come and check us out 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,800 on social media. 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Shout out to our patrons Janet, 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,840 Curtis, Vale, CD, Alana, Grace, Cindy, Lorna, Sami, Caitlin, 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Julia #1, Michelle, Tenmei, Marta, Adelphia, Maria, Sarah, 39 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,800 and Julia #2 I so appreciate you guys and all of the free patron 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:43,400 members as well. So we were here four years ago 41 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,880 talking about Squid Game ago and. 42 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,920 Here we are again. And here we are. 43 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,200 We're going to, we're going to get started. 44 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:53,240 I think I had you read the synopsis last time. 45 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,200 I'm just going to go ahead and read it this time. 46 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,120 Sounds good. Asian Wiki Synopsis of Season 2 47 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,240 of Squid Game. After winning the Squid Game and 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,680 receiving its massive cash prize, Song Yun plan to live a 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,360 new life in the United States. However, Song Yun, still haunted 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,480 by the deaths of all the players he competed with, decided to 51 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,160 skip his flight and returned to Seoul. 52 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,280 He spends the next three years looking for the people 53 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,080 responsible for the Squid Game. He has enlisted the help of a 54 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,320 loan shark, Sunshine Capital, to find the people who work for the 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,440 Squid Game. Meanwhile, Detective Hong Duno 56 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,760 has opted to transfer from the Major Crimes Division and work 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,080 for a small neighbourhood's police substation. 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,360 In his free time, he works with Captain Park and travels on his 59 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,080 boat to find the island where he saw a game take place that 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,920 involved the deaths of the players. 61 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,200 His brother Hong Ino was on that island. 62 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Soon, Song Yun is able to join a new round of the Squid Game, but 63 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,520 his goal this time is to stop the game once and for all. 64 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,200 Good luck with that, I mean. And now season 2 aired December 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,520 26th, 2024. We are several weeks removed 66 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,840 from that. We are recording this in January 67 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,600 2025. Season 2 is 7 episodes long. 68 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,120 For a refresher. Season 1 aired September 17th, 69 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,080 2021. Yeah. 70 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,600 Three years we're here. Three years later, basically 71 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,120 it's the new season. It shows. 72 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,200 Season 1 was 9 episodes long and this one is 7. 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Like I just said. Same director and writer Hong 74 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Dong Yok, he's back and we have a lot of returning cast members. 75 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,600 We have Eaton Day as well as we had Dune. 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,760 Like I said, these are the characters that I mentioned in 77 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,000 the synopsis. That's Player 456 and the 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,400 undercover cop. We have a lot of side characters 79 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,880 returning to. We have Kung Yu as the subway 80 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,560 predator slash recruiters slash Superman, whatever you want to 81 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,800 call him. Kung Yu is back. 82 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,200 EB Yong Ngun is back, as well as the front man, the guy in the 83 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,920 black mask. And then we have a ton of new 84 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:05,280 players this season. Imchiwan is player 333, Kanganu 85 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:12,360 as player 388, Izhenuk as player 246, Paksungun as 1/21/20. 86 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,040 You've seen this guy, this actor in the glory. 87 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,240 Yeah. Young, Dungun player, Double O 88 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:27,960 7, Kanye SIM as player 149, and the list really goes on and on, 89 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:38,520 including TOP Top as Thanos player 2:30 Pacquiao Young also 90 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,880 plays character Noel, who is actually, I'm not going to say 91 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,440 who she is because that's actually a little bit of a 92 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,640 spoiler, But tons of people in this show, a lot of familiar 93 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,120 faces. And I think we're at the point 94 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,760 where I can ask you what you thought about Squid Game before 95 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,520 I kind of tell you about all the tea that's happened. 96 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,880 OK. Yeah, as a whole or like this 97 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,520 new season? This new season and then if you 98 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,080 want like in relation, how does it stack up against Season 1, 99 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,320 you know, so on and so on. OK, OK. 100 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,080 But general those non spoilers, this is the non spoiler section. 101 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,920 When I tell you I really enjoyed the second season, I hope that 102 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,040 I'm not alone in that, but we'll see. 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,000 I haven't given anything away, like I have not let Miguel know 104 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,520 what I think we're going. Into this blind, we're just 105 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,920 like, oh, did you see that? And we're like, Yep. 106 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,040 And that's it. So so I loved it In a lot of 107 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,680 ways, I actually like the second season a little bit better than 108 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,680 the first. And because it's like something 109 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,960 that I love about Squid Game and it's definitely present in the 110 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,520 second season. They really take their time with 111 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,400 the pacing, but it never drags. Like we don't, we're not just 112 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,640 thrown straight in just like in the first season. 113 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,720 Like they're building these people up 'cause it's not like 114 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Battle Royale or even Alice in Wonderland where, oh, you're 115 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,400 getting to know them throughout, like. 116 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,720 No, you mean to delay their land? 117 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:15,040 Sorry, yes, well, that too. But they lay a good foundation 118 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,400 for who these people are and why we should care that way. 119 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,640 To us, these like contestants are not just numbers, like 120 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,000 they're actual people. They have their motivations and 121 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,000 everything that we see them. We can kind of pick a side, 122 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,480 like, OK, like this person may have done that, but you know, 123 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,120 she has gastrographin to pay for or something 'cause it's always 124 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,760 something really like chaotic. I love the production value of 125 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,000 the second season. I love that everything looks 126 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,520 brighter now, like the color grading isn't as dramatic and 127 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Netflixy as it was in the first. Like now it looks bright and 128 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,080 horrifying. I, the character, Oh my God, the 129 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,520 characters. The characters had me at my 130 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,480 limit. I was over it. 131 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,400 I was over it so fast. Because the show aged very well 132 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,480 with or the writing age very well with the time. 133 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,320 Because now you know, Gen. Z is old enough to play in this 134 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,240 game and we really see that like right off RIP something I won't 135 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,040 forgive. I just I got to throw this out 136 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,000 there because it's already well known from the I'm not letting 137 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,440 the red wig go. I'm not letting it go. 138 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,200 I was so I was punching the air. I was throwing stuff off my desk 139 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,000 like I'm not letting the red wig go. 140 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,520 You called it the Ronald McDonald look. 141 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,120 In I was so I was so mad. It was enough to get the show 142 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,000 cancelled. Like if they never came back, I 143 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,120 was like, you know what, it's fine. 144 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,440 This was great up until this moment, but I'm not letting that 145 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,960 go. In any event, I loved it. 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,080 I I love the pacing. I love we'll get into it, 147 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,920 obviously, but I love the direction that it took. 148 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,680 It felt like there were two shows going on at once, which 149 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,640 normally is not a great thing, but in this case it really 150 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,480 ticked all the boxes for me. The new characters are a 151 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,200 delight. Every single one of them is just 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,160 awful, but great. I really loved it. 153 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,760 Like I really loved it. I actually started watching it. 154 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,880 We had set this up a while back, but I went one night to watch it 155 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,560 and I didn't go to bed till like 2:00 in the morning and I had to 156 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,120 basically take a nap and get up and watch the rest of it because 157 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,200 it was the first thing I did. I loved it. 158 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,760 I am so glad to hear that you loved it. 159 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,040 I also really enjoyed Season 2. I'm just going to get that off 160 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,840 my chest right now before we go into a little more of like the 161 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,160 scandals and the controversies about the show is that I walked 162 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,440 in knowing all of the beef, knowing all of the back story of 163 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,280 these actors of the Netflix of it all, which we have to talk 164 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,680 about have like a whole Netflix, right? 165 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:48,720 I have to have. And this show really did, I 166 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,520 think, well, I said in Season 1, our review, what is the price of 167 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,680 a human life? And how this show doesn't seek 168 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,640 to necessarily answer this overtly. 169 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,320 It's doing this through the course of the plot and what what 170 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,480 happens. You know, moral and ethical 171 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,160 quandaries, they subsist in Season 2, we get more of the 172 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,480 same. You said there was uneven pacing 173 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,200 in Season 1. And now in Season 2, you're 174 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,600 like, OK with the pacing. You're feeling like it's earned. 175 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,520 Well no, I was good with the pacing for both. 176 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,280 Oh, OK. I was good with the pacing 177 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,520 across the board. I thought that it built up well, 178 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,240 yeah. This show, season 2 has the same 179 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,360 panache, same sharp cinematography as season 1 and 180 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,320 you said as much as well that it's like a great looking. 181 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Show great looking. They really increase the 182 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,080 quality, yeah. Still about classism or class 183 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 disparity in every sense of the term. 184 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,400 In this season. It was actually funny, like the 185 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,200 comedy elements. Yes, it was so funny. 186 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,440 Felt a bit new compared to season 1, which is a little more 187 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,080 bleak I guess compared to season 2. 188 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,520 So for what it is, which is AI, think of it as a sequel, right? 189 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,880 It's a true sequel. Season 1 was not predicted, 190 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,200 projected to do the numbers that it did. 191 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,040 So just like when a movie does really well all of a sudden 192 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,320 season 2 greenlit. Ronald McDonald. 193 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,240 I don't consider this as like a season 2 of a story that's 194 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,400 already been written or thought of in that way, that there was 195 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,680 always going to be a season 2. Season 1 left on an open-ended 196 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,440 sort of cliffhanger type thing. But that doesn't necessarily 197 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,920 mean that the Creator had Season 2 fully planned out and in mind. 198 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Would you have been happy with it if it had just ended there? 199 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,840 Oh, yeah. I wouldn't have minded it at 200 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,520 all. Yeah. 201 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,720 But that's because I'm different than most people in that I can 202 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,600 just infer, make it up what happened next and have some sort 203 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,320 of imagination. And other people, many people 204 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,120 don't have that, like, they need to know exactly what happened 205 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,240 next. And I'm like, you can figure 206 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,640 like he goes back like it's very. 207 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Yeah. Like it's easy to fill in the. 208 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Blanks, Right? Exactly, Exactly. 209 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,440 But there's a lot of people that don't want to take the creative 210 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,680 leaps to fill in what an open ending is. 211 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,560 And that's what that open ending was, was an affront to a lot of 212 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,360 people. Yeah, yeah, no, I expected there 213 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,760 to be a season too, honestly, just because of not even because 214 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,520 of the numbers, because by that point, like it exploded in 215 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,800 popularity. But that's The funny thing about 216 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,720 Netflix. It doesn't really matter. 217 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,120 Like everything, even that Anne of Green Gables show was like, 218 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,120 or the the rollerblading show. These shows were so like, Oh my 219 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,880 God. And then two weeks later, 220 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,560 everybody forgot everything about it. 221 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,720 No, because I'm still upset that they cancelled Anne of Green 222 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Gables. So is everyone in Japan? 223 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Apparently I am pissed. Pissed. 224 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,120 You Oh God, I don't want to segue into like Anna Green 225 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Gables and like that drama like what they did. 226 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,280 But how could they cancel that show? 227 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,440 Anyway, This show is a reunion for a few of the cast members. 228 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,080 And I wanted to put this up front that Kankanul, which is 229 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,800 player 388, he's the one that went to the military or went in 230 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,360 the Marines and was like showing off his arm tat half the time. 231 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:25,240 So that young guy and Imshiwan, who plays player 333, he's the 232 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,520 Crypto guy. OK, so those two. 233 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,920 MG. Coins had worked together in 234 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,160 another drama called me saying An Incomplete Life, which is 235 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,520 basically a 10 year old drama. They don't have that many scenes 236 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,800 together in Squid Game 2, but this industry is very small I 237 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,960 would say. Yeah. 238 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,720 So everyone's going to have work together. 239 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:52,120 They work together. Ebungan frontman and TOP Thanos 240 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,000 both were in Iris. Do you remember Iris? 241 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,360 Of course I remember Iris, every Korean deli, every Korean 242 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,400 supermarket, and that you remember the Dark Ages and that 243 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,200 little bootleg area where all the discs. 244 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,920 Were yes. Posters just iris, Iris 2, Iris 245 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,800 3 Iris reawakening like I. Remember because they did a 246 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,960 movie and everything of like it was. 247 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,120 A whole moment it. Was it was so Iris and then 248 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,720 Pacquiao Young. Who is I don't want to say who 249 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,120 she is because we're in the non spoiler section. 250 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,920 But anyway, Paki young actress and Idanuk, who is player 246. 251 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,720 He's the dad with the terminal child. 252 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,280 They were both in Sweet Home, which is another Netflix 253 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:39,240 original show that actually see. We reviewed season 1 on the 254 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,520 podcast and Rico was on that episode with me. 255 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,120 So if you want to go back and listen to Sweet Home, you can. 256 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,600 That is basically all of like the good news that I wanted to 257 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,640 share about the show. I'm like on the edge of my seat. 258 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,880 OK, this like, is this like a Gone with the Wind level 259 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,480 controversy? No, it it really is not. 260 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,320 But I'll, I'll, I'll preface this. 261 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,960 So let's get into Netflix, let's get into the scandals, and then 262 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,680 we'll get into the complaints about the show itself, like the 263 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,120 plot having to do with the actual production of what we saw 264 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,920 on screen, which has really nothing to do with the behind 265 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 the scenes like scandals of each actor and all this stuff. 266 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,560 OK, let's hit on Netflix first. So in season 1 and in our review 267 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,560 of season 1, we said that this was Netflix's biggest ever 268 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,920 series at launch. It was number one on the 269 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,200 platform for weeks. It's been watched by 2/3 of all 270 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,440 Netflix users. 142,000,000 subscribers watched at least 2 271 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,800 minutes and Netflix gained millions of new subscribers and 272 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,680 it increased the value of Netflix the company by a billion 273 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,600 dollars basically. Wow, a billion dollars. 274 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,120 That's how much value Squid Game added to. 275 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,200 Netflix billion. With ABB. 276 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,160 So that being said, we were going to get a season 2 with or 277 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,160 without the creator of Netflix of of of the show. 278 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,040 OK, that's just how it is. Because of how Netflix 279 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,760 structures its deals with creators all these years later 280 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,720 were 3-4 years removed from the original series airing date. 281 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,760 It's become part of the zeitgeist. 282 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,000 It's already entered the zeitgeist. 283 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,520 People are wearing Halloween costumes of Squid Game, right? 284 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,360 The Vans sales bike. The Vans sales bike. 285 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Which you talk about vans anywhere? 286 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,000 Yeah, yeah. So Netflix, it's well 287 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,480 documented, well known now that Netflix does not pay its 288 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,920 creators. Oh shit. 289 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,360 They pay a flat fee for the content. 290 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:51,000 And in the structure of the deal, the creator, whoever comes 291 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,120 to the Netflix and says I have this show, I have this script, 292 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,720 they have to sign away their intellectual property rights and 293 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,000 they do not get any royalties. What for their show? 294 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Yeah, you're hearing this is all true. 295 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,000 I wow. Yes, so the director slash 296 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,079 creator of Squid Game, the one this man had been writing and 297 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:14,839 and dreaming about this show for almost a decade, had to sell his 298 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,440 laptop to make ends meet. Do you remember all this like? 299 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,880 This. I remember this story, he was 300 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,520 basically the JK Rowling of K drama for a second. 301 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,119 Like he was borderline homeless. He sold all his stuff. 302 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,040 It was rough. It's a real rags to riches 303 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,880 story. Except is it a rags to riches 304 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,120 story when he's not getting paid? 305 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:35,000 Like Netflix saw a billion dollar increase in its company 306 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,840 value. He did not see a penny of that. 307 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,920 Not really nothing. Yes, nothing. 308 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,440 He signed all of his intellectual property rights 309 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,200 away. That's like. 310 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,520 That's why Netflix would have made a season 2 with or without 311 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,120 him. So let me make sure I have this 312 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,280 'cause now I'm pissed. No, I'm pissed. 313 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,040 I felt like we used to talk about Netflix. 314 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,880 I guess on some level I can understand the royalty part just 315 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,040 because, you know, capitalist hellscape. 316 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 But did he get paid? Anything for? 317 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,560 A flat like he just got like a check. 318 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,000 Like, yeah, he just, they just cut him a check and said thanks. 319 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,120 And then here's your budget for the show. 320 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,720 So you're telling me like the T-shirts, going to the Korean 321 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,320 market and seeing all those Squid Game? 322 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,160 All going. Into that's like pokey nothing. 323 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,880 Nothing, I'm telling you. Wow, he doesn't get a sense, you 324 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,320 know what I'm saying? It is really insane. 325 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,720 We need to start like a petition for this man. 326 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,040 The creator has gone on record. There was like ABBC interview 327 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,600 that they did with him recently, like in the promo leading up to 328 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,280 season 2's launch and they were asking him, oh, we heard you 329 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,520 lost 9 teeth during season 1 during the production of season 330 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,800 1. And he said yeah, I lost 9 teeth 331 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,720 from the stress. Oh my. 332 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,200 God of and look, I would've been devastated losing 1 tooth. 333 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,120 I would be devastated chipping it too. 334 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,840 What's going on? He's telling us he has lost 9 335 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:06,480 teeth because he is an auteur and he's stressed about the the 336 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,280 production of this almighty show that there's no guarantee that 337 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,120 it was going to make bank at all for Netflix or anybody. 338 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,320 He says he came back and did season 2 because of money. 339 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Yeah, he was like, I really didn't get compensated fairly 340 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,720 for season 1. Look at all of that. 341 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,560 It has done. It's a cultural phenomenon. 342 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,600 It's a cultural phenomenon. People who have never seen AK 343 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,120 drama before have watched Squid Game. 344 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,280 Point of fact, I was in New York the year that Squid Game came 345 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,400 out like Halloween because it was there were St. performers 346 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,360 like in New York, no word of a lie. 347 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:44,080 Like break dancing in the like pink like outfits to like a trap 348 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,960 remix of the theme song was like with like a beat and everything. 349 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,320 So like cultural phenomenon. It was a vibe. 350 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,960 That's that's horrible. Yeah, he lost teeth. 351 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,440 So he came back just to get paid because I'm sure that the deal 352 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,840 that he cut this time was for way more money. 353 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,280 That flat fee or whatever was for way more because they were 354 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,640 like, OK, if we do a season 2 and it sucks, it might make us 355 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,840 lose money, right? Right. 356 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,080 So he came back literally to get what was his. 357 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Oh my God, it's like a parallel to the show. 358 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Yeah, parallel to the show, I also want to go on a rant about 359 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:30,200 three years for seven episodes. Yeah, that's kind of that's kind 360 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,080 of deeply inferior. I'm. 361 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,800 Freaking pissed like it is heinous work. 362 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,480 Netflix I know is counting their days because they have fed us 363 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,280 worst smelling shit as customers for decades now. 364 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,520 They've put ads on the platform which was the whole point of 365 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,440 streaming content on their platform in the 1st place ad 366 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,640 free. They've now have A tier with ads 367 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,720 and then the price hikes every year for next. $16.00 now it's. 368 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,360 Ridiculous. Then, setting all that aside, 369 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,920 that was just to augment the larger point of why the hell 370 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,760 does it take two to three years to produce 789 episodes of one 371 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,960 single season of television? Network television was pumping 372 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,600 out 22 episodes in a season in presumably one year. 373 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,400 No waiting years between seasons at that. 374 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,200 Say what you want about the working conditions on a network 375 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,920 television show, but damn, at least everyone got paid 376 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,680 residuals for the rest of their natural lives so that the 377 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,240 licensing and reuse of this precious content fed them when 378 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,400 they were hungry. 2 by 50 years down the line and. 379 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,800 None of that's going on now. The model for Netflix is cost 380 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,480 plus. That's what they call it. 381 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,400 It's pitiful. With Cost Plus, Netflix offers 382 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,320 to pay for an entire season of a show upfront, which is what it 383 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,760 did for other shows like the original Netflix show House of 384 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,920 Cards. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. 385 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Right then, plus a premium premium in air quotes that 386 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:05,280 Netflix calculates and it's what they think the back end would 387 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,880 have been on the show. You know, this, this makes a lot 388 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,280 of sense. This makes a lot of sense. 389 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,760 That's why every time you log into Netflix, like do you ever 390 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,120 log in and you look at things recommended to you and you're 391 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,360 like, this shit is made-up. This isn't a real show. 392 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,680 Where did this come from? There's like three seasons of a 393 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,960 show that just popped up out of nowhere and it's a Netflix 394 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,880 original. This. 395 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,000 They're just throwing everything at the wall at this point. 396 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,520 So here's the bottom line. Netflix took advantage of the 397 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,680 fact that it was new and shiny and didn't fit the network TV 398 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,120 slash cable model. So the unions and gills didn't 399 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:41,200 negotiate for this shit. They said if streaming takes 400 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000 off, then we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. 401 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,960 And streaming took off faster than you can say Bob's your 402 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,040 uncle and there is no bridge to cross. 403 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,480 Now it's an entire fucking Great Wall of China to negotiate over 404 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,960 because Netflix is like, well, why would we come back to the 405 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,160 negotiating table when we have all the leeway? 406 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,200 We hold all the cards. While the WGA and SAG after 407 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,520 strikes last year were partly about negotiating residuals with 408 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,480 the streamers to resolve this problem. 409 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,000 This is what's frustrating in regards to K Drama is that 410 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,320 you'll be sorry to hear Netflix does not refuses to sit down 411 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,440 with any equivalent guilds in Korea. 412 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,760 Really, they don't even know who to call over there at Netflix 413 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320 Korea. They run it like a scam. 414 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,160 Yeah, I have a quote here from a Collider article that says Korea 415 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,360 Broadcasting Actors Union was having it out with the streaming 416 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,320 giant. Or rather whatever comes before 417 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,480 the out because Netflix won't even pick up the phone. 418 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,080 Union president Song Chang Gun is frustrated that the streamer 419 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,720 doesn't pay royalties or residuals to South Korean 420 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,800 talent. And since they technically don't 421 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,600 employ South Korean talent to begin with because they 422 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,920 outsource its productions to local companies, they feel 423 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,120 they're not even obligated to talk with the unions because 424 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,320 they're like, we're not hiring you. 425 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,440 XYZ production company is hiring you. 426 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,000 So take it up with them. But like, they're not the ones 427 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,760 getting the distribution rights. They're not the ones that are 428 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,560 reaping the benefits and getting all the money. 429 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000 So it is Netflix that you, you know what I'm saying? 430 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,120 I have to. I feel like this kind of the, 431 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,520 you know what, this kind of, it doesn't justify it, but it kind 432 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,880 of do you remember the whole thing with NHK, like in Japan, 433 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,720 like we're only now starting to get Japanese dramas. 434 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Yeah. They keep their stuff really, 435 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,960 really, really tight for reasons like this. 436 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,000 It's only now. A couple years ago they struck a 437 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,960 deal with Netflix. And I'm. 438 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,800 Releasing Yeah, me too, but they're bringing a bunch of old, 439 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,200 old, old. But that's how they start. 440 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,800 Yeah, that's how they started with K Dramas too, is that they 441 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,120 were licensing for a period of time these older shows, well 442 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,160 known shows and stuff to be on their platform. 443 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,480 And that entices people to sign up even for Netflix so that they 444 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,160 can watch this in their region. And then they're like, OK, we're 445 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,600 going to take all of this info and we're going to create our 446 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,600 own Netflix Japanese drama now. Yeah. 447 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,040 It's no wonder they drag their feet to like get to the global 448 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,600 market. They probably saw what was up. 449 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400 That's this is really devastating news. 450 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,480 I'm not even going to like, I'm just like really upset. 451 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,560 Here I am thinking we're breaking strides. 452 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,520 Like I actually like lifted up, Netflix says. 453 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,880 Like damn, like we're finally giving international acts and. 454 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,440 They're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. 455 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,040 No, but I didn't, you know, I didn't expect the other side of 456 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,720 this is working a mantle. His teeth fall out and then 457 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,520 giving him a piety check on top like this is horrible. 458 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,600 I'm telling you, and this was info that we really didn't have 459 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,880 in. I think we recorded that in 460 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:53,320 October of 2021 about our Squid Game Season 1 review. 461 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,560 After three years, more shit has really come out about Netflix 462 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:05,000 and it's beyond frustrating to see how they operate. 463 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,360 And really the reason why we have such a big Netflix Squid 464 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,520 Game is because it did numbers on the platform and then Netflix 465 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,800 started investing, marketing into Squid Game and you started 466 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080 seeing it everywhere, right? But think of all the Netflix 467 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,120 shows that you don't freaking. If you're not following Netflix 468 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,480 accounts on social media, you're not going to get any marketing 469 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,280 for it. They do not market any of their 470 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,720 originals. I never thought of that. 471 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,000 You're up. You're right. 472 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,080 Yeah, they don't, unless it's like a big. 473 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,640 No marketing. Budget like. 474 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,120 It's not like a movie where you like, need to go in a press 475 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,360 tour. You need to talk to these 476 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,320 outlets. You need to do meet and greets 477 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,920 and all this stuff in a red carpet. 478 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,760 That does not happen for Netflix shows or movies. 479 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,560 Counter Days, Netflix. Except for the big ones that do 480 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,040 numbers like Squid Game, Bridgeton, and Stranger Things. 481 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,240 Were there movies that were Oscar contenders? 482 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,000 Like wasn't The Irishman one of them? 483 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,240 And. Yeah, but again, that's a 484 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,920 Scorsese movie. So of course they're going to 485 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,360 market the Scorsese movie. Like that's got to be in the 486 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,480 deal that Scorsese inks. It's like you have to market my 487 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,960 movie and they'll do it. It's a Scorsese like. 488 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,800 Yeah, like that's yeah, they're not going to do like they're not 489 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,760 going to take out bus ads and like no billboards for Anne with 490 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,200 an E like. No. 491 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,440 SO anyway, that's my Netflix rant. 492 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920 I'm going to get off my soapbox now and talk to you about the 493 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,680 scandals. OK, cool. 494 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,280 OK, so you know about TOP Top from Big Bang. 495 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,440 First of all, I love Big Bang. I have to say that I am actually 496 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:42,680 still Avipi really appreciate the music of Big Bang and I 497 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,440 don't care that it's dated and it's a second generation group 498 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,720 and all this other crap. Like it made me, and I do mean 499 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,600 that punny because the Maid album really solidified my place 500 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,480 on Spotify because I got Spotify around 2012 and that's around 501 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,600 the time that the Maid album came out and I played the shit 502 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,760 out of that album. It was a vibe. 503 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,880 It was a whole like these new bands, I'm just, I'm not going 504 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,320 to mention them because I don't need an army of fans come after 505 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,200 me. But I'm looking at this. 506 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720 I'm like wow, I wish this was Big Bang. 507 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,480 I wish this was Big Bang. Why aren't they playing Big Bang 508 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,640 in Target? Do you remember what his scandal 509 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,560 was? I remember vaguely, was it drug 510 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,120 related? Yeah. 511 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,560 So he was arrested in 2016 for marijuana usage. 512 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,360 He pled guilty and I think that he was. 513 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,680 I think he served jail time if I can't I can't remember 514 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,680 correctly. Anyway, it doesn't really 515 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,080 matter. The pot usage has branded him a 516 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:43,120 drug addict and he has been blacklisted from the music 517 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,680 industry and he basically declared himself retired in like 518 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,120 2017. He was like fucking over it. 519 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,040 He don't want to deal with nobody. 520 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,200 He doesn't participate in any Big Bang activities anymore. 521 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,960 It's really sad actually, that he has become sort of this 522 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,400 reckless who only comes out to promote the fact that he was 523 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,440 going to go to the moon. Do you remember this? 524 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,960 I remember that for marijuana too, but then again their laws 525 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,040 are so tight you can't even smoke. 526 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,080 Even if you like, let's say you go to California and you smoke 527 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,520 weed there, they can still prosecute you for it like when 528 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,600 you get back. Yeah, exactly. 529 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,520 It's just weed like. TOP has a really fractured 530 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,240 relationship with the Korean public in particular because I 531 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,160 think the global fans don't really care that much that he 532 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,800 smoked weed. Nobody gives a shit, people 533 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680 smoke more weed than they do cigarettes so like nobody cares 534 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,640 anymore. When TOP was announced to be 535 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,800 part of his cast in Squid Game Two, there were a lot of, let's 536 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,320 say, mean comments online from the netizens and people were 537 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,120 speculating what kind of character he was going to play 538 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,880 and how could the director possibly cast TOP and all this 539 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,160 stuff. Come to find out, he's playing 540 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,400 like a facsimile of himself. I'm obsessed with this. 541 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:15,320 It is such perfect casting and once the show was released, 542 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,720 there were so many Korean outlets who were putting out 543 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,960 scathing articles about him, about his performance in the 544 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,960 show and how it was cringy and all this stuff and just like 545 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,560 berating him. So that is scandal number one is 546 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,800 just TOP and his persona not jiving any Korean. 547 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,600 It's. It's it's horrible. 548 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640 I gotta say like without spoiling anything like this 549 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,720 newfound information makes me love his character that much 550 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,400 more. It was pretty brave. 551 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,280 Of. Him so much more I would say to 552 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,440 even. He really, you know what? 553 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,680 He really took it out and threw it on the table and said, you 554 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320 know what, Like I'm blacklisted from anything anyway, Let's just 555 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,240 kick it up to 100 and just piss everyone off. 556 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,600 I'm so here for it. Yeah, this is great. 557 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,360 I love this. The other scandal is they had a. 558 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,280 What do they call a cisgender? Man play a transgender woman, 559 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840 and that's Paksungun's character. 560 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,920 So people are mad about that. I have to reiterate that Korea 561 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760 is a very conservative society, OK? 562 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,960 LGBTQ plus rights are really never front and center on the 563 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,000 agenda, and people really don't give a shit. 564 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,120 So like, that's their that's their culture. 565 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,360 You have to think about it that way, that the fact that you even 566 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,760 have a trans character in the show is doing a lot. 567 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,240 It's saying a lot, especially on behalf of the Creator. 568 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,960 I'm actually really shocked. And when I saw that there was a 569 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,160 trans character, I was like, oh, like I've never seen a trans 570 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,200 character in because they always do kind of like that 571 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,040 vaudevillian like. And the Japanese dramas do this 572 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,960 too. It's like the character that's 573 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,440 vaguely androgynous but they never get into like hey like I'm 574 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,960 trans and this and that like the actual details of being trans or 575 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,960 and then to for it not even to be played as a joke. 576 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,160 I was. My mind was blown when I saw 577 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,680 this character. Yeah, yeah. 578 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,000 It's not my first time seeing a trans character because they 579 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,240 also I think there was a trans woman in ITE Wan class as well, 580 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,280 which is also a pretty big show with Paxogen. 581 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,880 I don't know if you've heard of that joke but anyway. 582 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,840 So it but again, few and far between. 583 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Is there any sort of representation like that on AK 584 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,240 drama, let alone a global phenomenon like Squid Game? 585 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,640 OK #2 POC sungun same actor. This is recent. 586 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,640 He shared to his Instagram story with his 1.2 million followers, 587 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,680 an adult parody film of Squid Game 2. 588 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,920 And he immediately like took it down. 589 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,640 And people don't know if he'd meant to do it on purpose or if 590 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400 he was trying to share it to like like a a burner Instagram 591 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,360 account or with friends in a direct message or something like 592 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,520 that. It's very weird. 593 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,560 We don't have a lot of answers, but I think he already 594 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,920 apologized or tearfully apologized. 595 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,600 You know how the whole bit is like people? 596 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,840 I'm ready to listen and to learn like or whatever it is they say. 597 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,520 So this was the other a scandal with this actor and really I 598 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,240 don't really give a shit, like personally. 599 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,040 I gotta, yeah, I gotta be honest. 600 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,720 Just like TOP's drugs like drug like, right? 601 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,840 Quotes. Like scandal. 602 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,480 Like, wow, I don't, you know, I think this show is going to 603 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,720 provide. I thought it was going to be a 604 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,440 good, OK, cool. Like we're putting a trans 605 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,320 character front and center. It could be a good chance to 606 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,440 kind of like. Open up a conversation, right? 607 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760 Make you feel a certain way about this character because you 608 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,520 haven't looked at this struggle through the lens of a real life 609 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480 character who's like tangible on screen, has a struggle, has a 610 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,120 mission through the course of these games, and it like didn't 611 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,240 matter. Like I can kind of. 612 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,520 Get they were focused on the casting on like, why'd you cast 613 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,159 a guy? They kind of got up. 614 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,600 I don't know, maybe lighten up. I don't know, cuz that's this. 615 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,800 Well, then again, that second one, sharing a porn parody is 616 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,280 kind of like, that's kind of like, I think it's a little. 617 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,280 Funny. Personally, it is pretty funny. 618 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,840 It's just like the Chris Evans, like, OK, like scandal. 619 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,760 I'm not going to go into that. So anyway, no, the the point 620 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,320 that I want to try and make before I go into the rest of the 621 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,400 scandals is these people are not angels, OK? 622 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,679 Not even there is a perception of Korean entertainers and Holly 623 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,400 way of stars. Whatever the hell you want to 624 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,120 call idols, whatever you want to call them that they don't do any 625 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,600 drinking, they don't get drunk, they don't have sex like they 626 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,159 don't like do any of they don't watch porn, they don't any of 627 00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:00,200 anything. And that's simply not true, OK? 628 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,800 These people are fully grown adults most of the time. 629 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,840 With lots of money. With lots of money, what the 630 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,080 hell do you think goes on behind closed doors? 631 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,280 So I think everyone needs to just like touch grass on a lot 632 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,120 of this and just keep it in perspective. 633 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,680 I know that we're Westerners. I know that we have a different 634 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680 view and what constitutes a scandal. 635 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,160 But honestly, like for people who are shocked that these 636 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,400 people smoke weed and like do all this stuff, take a deep 637 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,360 breath and think about it. And I don't know what else to 638 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,200 tell you so. I I couldn't agree more. 639 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,680 I couldn't agree more. Like I, I don't understand how 640 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,840 so many people have fallen for this. 641 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,320 Like the idol culture. I don't get it. 642 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,440 It's like, OK, fine, like they dressed them up a certain way 643 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,120 and did all this stuff, but come on. 644 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,400 Like there's been so many scandals for so long that are 645 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,760 like worse than this. So. 646 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,880 Talking about worse than this, we'll get into E Jung Jay, who 647 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,320 is player 456. That's our lead in the show. 648 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,200 He was guilty of multiple DU is with assault charges from the 649 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,360 late 90s and early 2000s. This is obviously about 2024 650 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,560 years old. This these scandals and people 651 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,720 love to bring up this scandal for him. 652 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,120 Frontman Ebyungen sued in 2009 by his ex-girlfriend for being a 653 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,840 chronic gambler and tricking her into a sexual relationship with 654 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920 him on the false pretenses of eventually getting married. 655 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480 Yikes. More recently, you know he's 656 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,240 been married to actress Emin Jung since 2013. 657 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,440 Mine too. He was cheating on her with a 658 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,640 model and there was a secret recording video recording of him 659 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,320 making inappropriate comments about her like the model 660 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,360 basically 2 girls when she was one of them and the other one 661 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,160 was an idol or something like that. 662 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,280 They were friends and they extorted him for money, 663 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,320 blackmailed him with this video and then he turned around and 664 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,920 sued them and one and the two girls are now in jail. 665 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,680 So or they went to jail. Oh. 666 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,400 Yeah, blackmail's huge over there. 667 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,200 Huge. Or a huge crime, rather, Yeah. 668 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,320 I mean both in both senses. Huge crime and huge. 669 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,400 So that's ebungun. People love to bring this up and 670 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080 love to talk about ebungun. Two things can be true at the 671 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,280 same time. You can have an asshole be 672 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,840 famous and deserve the fame like because they're actually they 673 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,920 actually have talent. Yeah, like Leonardo DiCaprio. 674 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,640 Yeah, classic, classic Chevy Chase, another classic asshole. 675 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,160 So there's so many cases of this and you can cancel them. 676 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,200 You can avoid their projects, what have you. 677 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640 But like two things that Kevin Spacey. 678 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680 Oh my God, that's a great example of like, sorry to say, 679 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,800 Kevin Spacey. Horrible person. 680 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,040 Probably should have stayed cancelled. 681 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,840 But yeah, he's a great actor, just can't deny that. 682 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,320 Right, he should be in prison, but he great actor. 683 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480 Great actor. Exactly two things can be true 684 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,440 at the same time. The season 1001 The old man Oh. 685 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,360 Yeah. Oh no. 686 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,400 Convicted of sexual misconduct and assault. 687 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,720 That one tracks. That guy creeped me out. 688 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:12,760 Like from day one. He. 689 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,920 Was a creeper. We all knew it so, but that was 690 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,480 after Squid Game. That was after he gained fame 691 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,200 and after he went to the the Emmys and stuff. 692 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,000 Then they were like, oh, he's not. 693 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,200 My girl's like, shaking his head and like. 694 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,920 You know all this all I'm getting from this, all I'm 695 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,120 getting from just let TOP smoke some weed. 696 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,680 Not literally like TOP is a good least of it. 697 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,040 You know, I'm going to create I'm going to create an 698 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,920 Instagram, one of those like those little story things. 699 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,000 It's like TOP who he is and what we can do to help because we 700 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,400 need to like this is a crisis. I need to. 701 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,360 I'm not even done. I have two more. 702 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,720 Oh no, Player 246 Jinnuk. OK, He's the guy that has the 703 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 child that's terminal. Oh, OK. 704 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,800 Back in 2016, he was accused of sexually assaulting his 33 year 705 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,000 old friend. The courts, however, claimed it 706 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600 was consensual because she offered him a shower and a clean 707 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,400 shirt after the encounter. So they were like something 708 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,440 doesn't track. The math is a math thing here. 709 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,440 That's nice. He was cleared of charges 710 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640 because she ended up saying her claims were false and then he 711 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,880 countersued her. There's that scandal. 712 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,120 You're like rolling your eyes. It was just like, Oh my. 713 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,520 God can't deal with this. It's it's we're all this. 714 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840 It's it's the same everywhere and somehow worse. 715 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,520 Here's the last one and I think this is might be. 716 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,320 The worst. Also, real quick, I just want to 717 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,240 say, like, as you're telling me all these scandals, I'm looking 718 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,280 at a document with the profiles of all of these contestants. 719 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560 Yeah. And it's their faces in front of 720 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,520 the pink background for their ID card. 721 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,640 And this is like The Guess Who of scandals. 722 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,160 Like, I feel like I'm playing Guess who. 723 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,480 It's like, let me knock this one. 724 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000 It's the last one, and I don't think people talk about this one 725 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,720 enough. Is player 100? 726 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,600 This is song Young Chang. He's the old guy who wanted to 727 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,760 keep playing the game. And he had the most debt out of 728 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,320 anyone in the in the contestants. 729 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,720 OK, get ready. Back in 2000, 2020, five years 730 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:21,840 ago, he was convicted. Convicted of underage sexual 731 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,800 wrongdoing, as in with a minor? OK. 732 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,760 He reportedly paid a 16 year old $150.00 to have sex with him in 733 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,880 his car twice. He was 42, married with a 734 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,200 daughter. How old was the victim? 735 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,360 16 years old, he got 10 months and two years probation. 736 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,480 He barely served a month, then was released, and then he 737 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,200 absconded to the United States. We need to free TOP. 738 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,600 That's it. Free TOP. 739 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,760 I don't. I wonder I have to. 740 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,160 Wonder the fact that he was blacklisted and then he ends up 741 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,840 in Squid Game season 2 anyway like is wild. 742 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640 But did they? This has to be intentional, 743 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040 right? Like this casting has to be. 744 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,400 Intentional. I I don't know, I think the TOP 745 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,200 1 was definitely yeah, for sure divine casting, but the rest, 746 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,720 yeah. So you know what? 747 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,080 I don't care what happens to any of these people after this. 748 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,600 I gotta tie. We can all die. 749 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,240 OK, going back to the show and like what are the complaints 750 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,800 about the show itself? I heard complaints about the 751 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,680 tonal inconsistency of season 2, how it undermines the narrative 752 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,320 because you're flip flopping between people are laughing and 753 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,920 hay and cheering each other on and then all of a sudden like 754 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,560 they want to kill each other and it's doom and gloom. 755 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,480 I thought that was great. I actually have an entire like 756 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,680 section in my notes about the humor. 757 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,440 Like, it's great, it's funny. I don't. 758 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,320 Other complaints that I've seen are that the showrunner has 759 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,800 prioritized entertainment over substance. 760 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,080 In what way? Like it feels like such a 761 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,120 natural segue from Season 1. Like I'm actually in shock at 762 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,880 this because it's very cohesive I think. 763 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,040 People have said the characters, the new additions to the cast 764 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,920 are forgettable and that to prepare your face. 765 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,400 I wish you guys could see Miguel's face. 766 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,840 Who are these people? People have said the 767 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:32,600 performances lack nuance. No, not any more than the first 768 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,480 season at the very I'll I'll give them some of that, I guess, 769 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,880 but I don't think. So they also said the deaths 770 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,960 don't feel meaningful or particularly tragic. 771 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,760 That's true, but we can't talk about why yet. 772 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,600 So. And then I have some other 773 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,920 complaints because they had a mixed critical reception. 774 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,600 A lot of critics didn't like it. They disliked it. 775 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,560 Diminishing returns, season set up for a finale, very 776 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,240 unsatisfying ending. And I can see where they're 777 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:07,960 coming from as far as the season felt incomplete, Right? 778 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,920 Listen to me, Season 3 is going to be season 2 Part 2. 779 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,600 That's what I thought it was. I didn't even know they were 780 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,120 going to brand it as Season 3 until you had told me. 781 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,480 I'm like, so when does Season 2B come out? 782 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,240 Yeah, no, it's season 3. I was like, yeah. 783 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,840 OK. And I didn't want to tell you 784 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,000 like offhand, I totally agree because I just wanted to leave 785 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,040 it for this review. But yeah. 786 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,480 It felt really incomplete, yeah. Yeah, it did feel really 787 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,160 incomplete, so I get why people are saying that. 788 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,360 Other people saying this season was boring or mid. 789 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,120 I watched almost all of it in one night, it was so good. 790 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,240 Oh shit I forgot one scandal. OK, so this doesn't have to do 791 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:57,280 with the specific actor or actress, this has to do with the 792 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,160 show. All right. 793 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,080 So Squid Game season 2 has prompted serious backlash in 794 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,840 Vietnam. Can you guess why? 795 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,680 I OK, I don't. Oh wait, because of the war they 796 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,240 mentioned the. War. 797 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,680 Exactly So. The issue in question relates to 798 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,080 the references to the Vietnam War, many viewers accusing the 799 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,520 show of glorifying the participation of South Korean 800 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,640 soldiers in the conflict and whitewashing the atrocities. 801 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,880 OK, well, have they seen any American movie made for the past 802 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,920 60 years? Yeah. 803 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,800 So they're the Vietnamese state media outlet Lao Dong is 804 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,680 reviewing. They said that Vietnam Cinema 805 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,080 Department is reviewing whether Season 2 conflicts with the 806 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,080 nation's film laws. And they could, like, remove it, 807 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,520 I guess, from that platform, the Netflix in Vietnam. 808 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,280 OK. Like, I mean, every country 809 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,320 thinks that they're the hero in their own story, so I don't 810 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,800 know, OK. Yeah. 811 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,240 I mean it's definitely better than paying a 16 year old so. 812 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,360 Oh. Like, if this is Barry, I, I can 813 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,800 see why you forgot that. And like, not to be insensitive, 814 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,280 it's just kind of like, OK, well, all right. 815 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,480 Yeah, so. We got through a lot to get 816 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,920 here, so forgive me if I'm a bit underwhelmed. 817 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,400 I would say that all of these complaints, right, like barring 818 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,080 the boycott that's happening on behalf of Vietnam, all of these 819 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,480 complaints just go to show that people don't like sequels, 820 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,600 people don't like multi season shows. 821 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,400 And I think the problem is it's impossible to make season 2 more 822 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,000 jaw-dropping than season 1 because the novelty, the shock 823 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,960 has worn off. Nobody knew what to expect on 824 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,080 season 1 and it's suffering from sequel fatigue. 825 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,240 Like how do you make this bigger, better, badder? 826 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,640 Oh, more games. Different games, different 827 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,240 characters. It's suffering from the same 828 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,160 thing that every other sequel suffers from. 829 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,520 Yeah, but I mean, even with I can't bring myself to dislike 830 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,480 it. Like everything felt like such a 831 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,600 natural progression of the first season. 832 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,880 Like everything, the games, everything. 833 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,040 Yeah, so. So I. 834 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,800 Just want to say. That I liked it. 835 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200 I liked it a lot. It was really pretty much as 836 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,880 much as I like Season 1. Sorry about it. 837 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:20,240 Sorry to everybody who disliked it, but this is not. 838 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,400 We're not too too haters here, I guess. 839 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,960 No, yeah, if you're, I'm not piling onto any of that. 840 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,800 So yeah, if you don't like it, you're not in for a good friend. 841 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,800 Well, hopefully we can change your mind and give you a way to 842 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,560 appreciate. It yeah, perhaps Speaking of the 843 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,200 future of Squid Game. So there has been something some 844 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,320 news floating around like that's been getting millions of views 845 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,560 on TikTok of people sharing the Squid Game cinematic universe. 846 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,440 The SGCU OK it's images circulating of what looks like a 847 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,000 Kevin Feige MCU like presentation at Comic Con with a 848 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,600 phase one timeline including Squid Game Season 3, Squid Game 849 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,480 USA, Squid Game 1987, Squid Game 28th and Squid Game World. 850 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,600 Is this a meme or is this real? It's fake. 851 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,080 It's all fake. It's fabricated lies. 852 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,680 Don't believe it? OK, good. 853 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,000 Now if it happens that there is Netflix takes a cue from this or 854 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,120 they had something leaked, then fine. 855 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,520 You can feel free to comment in a year after this podcast has 856 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,760 gone live to say you're wrong, fine. 857 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,240 As of today it's all fake. OK, thank. 858 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,640 God, like I don't. We did that already with Marvel. 859 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,720 We don't need to do it again like we're we're so good on. 860 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,800 That so an update on the 45.6 billion won. 861 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:53,520 It is now worth in today a time of recording $30.9 million USD. 862 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,200 That's the pot OK on the show. I just want to remind everybody 863 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,000 that Squid Game is a real game, like played by kids and was 864 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,080 popular in the 70s and 80s in Korea. 865 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,520 And well, three of the characters in the show could be 866 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,440 seen as being based on real life stories, true stories for 867 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,160 echoing these stories. Okay, got it. 868 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,400 I will give you those stories and then we will rate the show 869 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,160 out of five Soldier Bottles. And then we're getting into the 870 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,120 spoiler section. I'm ready for it. 871 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,320 Ready. Okay, the trans character, Going 872 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,320 back to the trans character, there was a transgender soldier 873 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,800 in South Korea, Byung Visu, who was a staff Sergeant and was a 874 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,840 tank driver before being discharged from the army in 875 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,120 January in 2020 after she underwent gender reassignment 876 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,880 surgery in Thailand. It's all like coming together in 877 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,640 November 2019. So she fought for the right to 878 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,480 continue serving in the Army. And it's really sad what 879 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,520 happened to her because she was denied and discharged and then 880 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,960 they denied her request for reinstatement in July 2020. 881 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560 And unfortunately she committed suicide in 2021. 882 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,120 It. Was only four years ago. 883 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,000 Yeah, I like, I was half expecting this to be from like 884 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,440 the 90s. No, this is recent. 885 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,000 This is recent. Byung Wisu was only 22 years 886 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:17,360 old. Damn. 887 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,640 Yeah, the crypto scam. Doquan is a South Korean former 888 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,680 businessman and software engineer, Co founder and CEO of 889 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,080 Terraform Labs, the parent company of crash stable coin 890 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,720 Terra USD and cryptocurrency Luna. 891 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,000 This is all gibberish to me, by the way. 892 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:42,840 Terra USD and Luna collapsed in May 2022, wiping out almost 45 893 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,360 billion with AB billion dollar market capitalization in one 894 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,120 week and causing hundreds of billions in losses in the larger 895 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,400 crypto market. This guy was on the run. 896 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,600 They were like trying to find him and I think they caught him 897 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,400 in Dubai and now he's facing charges in the US and South 898 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,280 Korea in like multiple countries. 899 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,680 He's on on trial for fraud. I. 900 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,000 Don't blame him, I'd run farther for less. 901 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,040 So like, honestly. 45 billion. Can you imagine? 902 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,920 $45 billion. I'm like, I mean, I'm putting 903 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,880 money into like a made-up currency. 904 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,000 Oh yeah, no, that's never going to go wrong. 905 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,040 So sorry to all the crypto people out there, but like. 906 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800 Don't worry, it'll pay off. You'll get your next Bitcoin, 907 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:33,080 Julia. OK, the shaman. 908 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,000 I couldn't want this lady. I'm sorry. 909 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,280 For nearly two years leading up to the recent martial law 910 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,280 declaration and his impeachment, President Yun Sokil reportedly 911 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,240 visited a fortune teller, a shaman in Kunsan, South of 912 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,760 Seoul. He visited over 20 times. 913 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,560 He asked for the fate of different military officials and 914 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,240 God knows what else. So that is in the zeitgeist for 915 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,640 the Korean audience. That's something that the 916 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,080 Western audience, the international audience, might 917 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,240 not know. That is so funny and I'm going 918 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,520 to rewatch it again with all this in mind. 919 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,760 So Can you imagine your president is like consistently 920 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,440 going to see a shaman and you're like, what can the is the shaman 921 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,080 running the country like it's, you know, God, it sucks. 922 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,800 You know what? That you know, the martial law 923 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,000 thing actually makes sense now. I didn't know that. 924 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,440 Yeah, So what would you rate Squid Game Season 2 out of five 925 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,840 soju bottles? 4 1/2. 926 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,000 Yeah, I'd give you like 4 four and a half four. 927 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,640 It's just because of it. It's just because it's a 928 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,280 truncated season. That's literally the only 929 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,520 reason. Like if it would have been a 930 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,400 full season and it would have kept up the momentum we're going 931 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,360 to talk about, I think I would have just given it A5. 932 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,560 I don't want to fault the creator for the injustice that 933 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,520 was done to him and the craziness of Netflix. 934 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,720 And that's why my score is still like 4/4 and 1/2. 935 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,840 That's fair. I mean, he has diplomatic 936 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,080 immunity in my heart. Yeah. 937 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,960 He lost teeth making this thing literally. 938 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,040 He's like, yeah, he's fine. Poor guy. 939 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,040 So we are going to get into spoilers for Squid Game 2 940 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:19,840 finally, right after this. Excuse me, I can't. 941 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,840 You know I am. Oh. 942 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:31,880 Sorry, what? All right, we're on the other 943 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,920 side of spoilers, so anything goes. 944 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,360 We are going to spoil Squid Game season 2 and talk about 945 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,080 characters and what the hell happens in this show. 946 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,320 So where do you even want to start? 947 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,240 I think episode 1 is a little bit funny because we get the 948 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,840 return of the recruiter. Kong you. 949 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,640 I love him, I have to tell. You This was like an amazing, 950 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,040 amazing episode I thought. It was so good. 951 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,160 Because it fleshed out this character, the subway game 952 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,640 recruiter who's playing Takchi with people and slapping them 953 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,520 upside the head every time they lose. 954 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,480 It expanded on the lore of this guy, and everybody in their mom 955 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,120 knows who Kong Yu is. It's an amazing, amazing 956 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,000 episode. What did you think of this one? 957 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,200 I love the episode. I loved it specifically. 958 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,360 Well, specifically for the recruiter. 959 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,520 I'm glad that we got some back story, but even in the first 960 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,240 season, he's like a top three character in my book, even 961 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,560 though he's not because he's so well casted. 962 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:41,320 He is creepy. He is so creepy and so stoic, so 963 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,320 to see his back story or for him to give his back? 964 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920 Sorry, I'm not normally a fan of the very exposition. 965 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,320 It is an exposition dump. My if in case you're wondering 966 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,480 who I am, my father died and it's like, OK, but but in this 967 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,920 case, it was interesting because it's like anything we know about 968 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,920 him is interesting. I love that the first episode. 969 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,360 I don't know if you know this, but I'm a huge police drama fan 970 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,720 and this felt like like huge, like the killing. 971 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,920 I've seen the killing, I think about 30 times, front to back, 972 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,800 the American one. Not no Yeah of. 973 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,040 Course, the German one. Yeah, True Detective, all that. 974 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,280 Like I live for detective dramas. 975 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,480 I wanted to be a detective as a kid. 976 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,000 Neither here nor there. But I love police dramas. 977 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,280 This first episode feels like a police drama. 978 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,400 It has so many elements. The chasing, the canvassing, the 979 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,520 humor. Can I just. 980 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,120 I need to get into the humor because it was one of the first 981 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,120 things I had written down here. Let's see humor. 982 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,800 I really appreciate the one off bits of humor in the show. 983 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,520 Like the biggest standout is the atrocious recorder music. 984 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,360 When they're like, this is the man we're looking for and they 985 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,560 have this really heinous like mannequin with a drawn face. 986 00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:00,760 And I was like, like, it's this military March on a recorder. 987 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,640 I don't know if you guys remember that horrible excuse 988 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,840 for a wind instrument that looked like a flute when we were 989 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,720 in middle or elementary school. They're playing police marching 990 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:14,000 music off key in this music while all these like mercenaries 991 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,200 and St. thugs are like looking for this. 992 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,680 It had me rolling. I had to pause. 993 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,120 The mannequin just took me out like right? 994 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,080 On the I know same. I couldn't do it. 995 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,920 I couldn't. Do it I like every single meme 996 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,360 that I see of of that thing of this just like the head with the 997 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,280 paste it on paper cut out you see the. 998 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,720 Foot soldiers at the subway stations. 999 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:39,040 Have you seen this man? Shut up. 1000 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,040 They're. Like they're. 1001 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,120 Like what he's seeing, him seeing the recruiter outside of 1002 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,440 his enigmatic state was like the casting. 1003 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,320 They nailed it again. I mean, I know it's the same guy 1004 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,280 from the first season, but just seeing him out of his enigmatic 1005 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,440 state, like going around town, he buys like food. 1006 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,600 Bread versus lottery, Do you want to talk about that scene 1007 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,080 and like. Go for it, lead us in. 1008 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,800 Lead us in. Sadistic. 1009 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,640 Sadistic. He goes and buys the First of 1010 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,520 all, I like that. There's a shot of Kungu's, the 1011 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,400 palm of his hand and it's calloused from slapping people 1012 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,160 in the face. And I was like, wow, that's a 1013 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,840 great touch. That's a blink and you'll miss 1014 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,440 it. He's been doing this so long, 1015 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,120 he's got fucking calluses on his right hand. 1016 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,160 So anyway, he goes and buys all this bread, goes to this park, 1017 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,360 which I think is also significant. 1018 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,760 That park, I can't remember why. I think it was has to do with 1019 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,080 the Democratic movement, I believe maybe in Korea. 1020 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,880 Oh yeah, and they do like everything that goes down 1021 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,720 happens in front of. Their ear but that didn't that 1022 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,200 exactly so this area is significant. 1023 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,680 It's it's charged he goes to this park where all of these 1024 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,240 homeless people were or struggling people are just 1025 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,160 laying about and he gives them the choice to either pick the 1026 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,440 bread which will feed them. They're presumably starving. 1027 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,800 They haven't had anything to eat or a lottery ticket. 1028 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,240 And this basically portends the whole rest of the show, which is 1029 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,720 are you going to get the immediate satisfaction, the 1030 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,440 immediate satiation of your need, or are you going to take a 1031 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:27,560 chance on the very slim chance that you could win more money? 1032 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,480 Yeah, and then the interaction's horrible. 1033 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,320 I think only one or two people chose the bread. 1034 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,680 Everybody else chose the lottery ticket. 1035 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,640 And he gives them a coin, he gives them money to scratch off 1036 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,920 the lottery ticket. And then he's like, MMM, bummer, 1037 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,040 give me back my coin. And he has to. 1038 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,760 It's so. It's so vile. 1039 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,880 It's so vile. And then he takes all the bread 1040 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,800 and this cracked me up on he was horrible, but he crashes out so 1041 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,280 hard. He dumps all the bread on the 1042 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,520 ground, calls everybody like names and then starts stomping 1043 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,320 on the bread like a cartoon character, which I just want to 1044 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,880 say is an aside. You can tell this is in South 1045 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,720 Korea because that guy would have gotten his shit rocked by 1046 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,880 like everybody in that part. They were like, he wouldn't have 1047 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,920 made it past the first guy. He'd be like, oh, word. 1048 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,800 And then they would have described the bread. 1049 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,480 But anyway, it was such a great crash out. 1050 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,000 And I think one of my favorite qualities of this was I really 1051 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,120 got to commend the actor because he's stomping on it in this 1052 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,360 fury. But you can tell he's getting, 1053 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,400 like, this sick thrill from, like, just stomping out the 1054 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,240 food. Like, he can hardly contain his 1055 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,360 smile. Yeah. 1056 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,480 And then he regains composure and walks away. 1057 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,040 Yeah, it was. It was a great way to open the 1058 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,560 show outside of the terrible red wig like. 1059 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,560 The the Ronald McDonald wig. Yeah. 1060 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,120 So they introduce, obviously in this episode, the food, the 1061 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,760 bread versus lottery, this facade of democracy, which 1062 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,120 appears after every game because they start voting. 1063 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,440 This is new for the season. They vote after every single 1064 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:10,120 game, whether to stay or go X or O, promising them that if they 1065 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,080 continue with the game, if you can, if you get the lottery 1066 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,520 ticket, there's a chance you can win more money. 1067 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,560 You know, this is all just in Episode 1 where this social 1068 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,000 experiment in the park. Yeah, it it's just like laying 1069 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,520 the whole foundation for how the rest of the show is going to go. 1070 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,760 It was really clever. Really, really clever. 1071 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,920 I love that and just I love it. Sorry. 1072 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,240 So we get paper scissor rock with the loan shark guys because 1073 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,160 they do happen upon Kong Yu. He beats the shit out of them 1074 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,240 and kidnaps them. Two grown men kidnaps them. 1075 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,200 I have no doubt that I don't know that they knew that they 1076 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,600 were rocking against Kong You. There was no chance. 1077 00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:02,080 The paper scissor rock is very memorable and horrible. 1078 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,040 I thought it was fitting that their gags that he had on them 1079 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,120 were in the shape of dog bones. Yeah, really. 1080 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,160 The dehumanizing aspect comes really, really quickly. 1081 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,280 Yes. Like these people see these 1082 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,400 contestants as just garbage, as animals. 1083 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,840 Yeah. Yeah, and Turndo is playing, and 1084 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,240 that's the song that he hits play on, and I'm like, wow. 1085 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,920 It's always opera with these guys. 1086 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,400 Always off. It's the the Blue Denoob Waltz 1087 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,120 is back for season 2. But yeah, this whole paper, 1088 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,120 scissor, rock thing, it's shocking. 1089 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,440 As an audience, you, you don't know what to do. 1090 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,440 Like what would you do in that situation? 1091 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,280 It's the first like show of overt violence because up until 1092 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,760 this point, so I can see why people thought the tone was 1093 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,280 inconsistent. But I actually really 1094 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,880 appreciated this because instead of going full sadistic like gory 1095 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,480 show they started with like a police manhunt. 1096 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,200 They throw in some humor. You're getting to know people 1097 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,440 and then in the last like 3/4 of the episode is when we see oh, 1098 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,040 like this really brutal, sadistic, vile game and they 1099 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,600 just it was so gory to like it was I knew it was going to 1100 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,600 happen and it was still. Like and the casting of Kong you 1101 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:23,040 is it can't be like understated how they gave this really 1102 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:28,400 sadistic paper scissor rock game to Kong you, who is like the 1103 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:34,440 Brad Pitt of Korea, right? So I loved that it allowed 1104 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,080 Kongyu to be super unhinged. It was a great like change of 1105 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,360 face. And he was very animated and 1106 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,360 riveting to watch. He was so good. 1107 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:52,600 Yeah, then Kongyu finds our 456 at the Pink Motel, which I think 1108 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,760 it's funny that he owns the Pink Motel and that it's pink, right? 1109 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,400 Like pink is the signature color of the games the Squid Games. 1110 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,200 After everything that happened, I would never want to see that 1111 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,320 color. Again, exactly. 1112 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,040 It's literally the same exact pink. 1113 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:10,400 And then when Kong Yu is there, and this is before they do the 1114 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:16,320 Russian roulette, his presence is so imposing in the room. 1115 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,800 When 456 walks in, Yes, you just see his back phone use back. 1116 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,280 And then he turns around and he's sipping on some, like, 1117 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,720 banana juice through a straw. And he's almost childlike. 1118 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,040 Yeah, it. It's so weird. 1119 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,000 I love that juxtaposition. Weird character. 1120 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,640 I love. And I think that people didn't 1121 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,000 really get it. I don't. 1122 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,160 That is the tone of the whole rest of the show, embodied. 1123 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,120 That's the whole point. Like childlike imagery juxtapose 1124 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,520 with brutal violence. Yeah. 1125 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,520 You're playing games you played when you were a child, but it's 1126 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,200 life or death. The stakes are way higher. 1127 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,720 So like they. Go out of their way to point 1128 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,840 this out multiple times to like, player 100. 1129 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,400 Yeah. Is like, how hard could this be? 1130 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,400 Like, we're just playing Children's Games, like, so they 1131 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,400 really push that point. Yeah, yeah. 1132 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,280 It's terrifying. The story about shooting his own 1133 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,200 dad. So we get that from recruiter 1134 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,040 Kung Yu. You get immediately through his 1135 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,680 story, through his the way he's speaking and what he's saying, 1136 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,280 he he thinks he's above it. He thinks he's superior. 1137 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,640 He thinks he's cut out for this job that he worked his way up 1138 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:33,200 and doesn't believe that he's trash like the contestants are 1139 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,920 or that he's just a dog with a master, which is what 456 keeps 1140 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,480 calling him. You're like, you're just a, 1141 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,440 you're doing their bidding like a dog. 1142 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,640 You're a trained animal. I like the I like it when we see 1143 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,280 true psychosis in a show because he's so convinced that he's not 1144 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,960 a lap dog. And he's like, yeah, OK, that's 1145 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,800 what you say, but I'm not. He's so. 1146 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,520 The illusion of. Dedicated to this he's like, 1147 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,000 yeah, my dad begged for his life and I had no problem shooting 1148 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,120 him like that's when I knew I was cut out for it and it's. 1149 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,800 Like, and it's a God complex, like you're crazy towering over 1150 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,560 your your own father, like the person who gave you life. 1151 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,800 Classic. And I'm like, wow, this is 1152 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:19,600 really powerful and crazy and this is episode 1, the time to 1153 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,400 say goodbye Russian roulette. He wants him to admit when the 1154 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,360 odds are one and two that he'll die. 1155 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,440 Not saying the names makes it so confusing. 1156 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:33,360 So Kong Yu wants 456 to admit that he's a piece of trash who 1157 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,000 got lucky and made it out of the dumpster. 1158 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,520 Yeah, and he doesn't really jive with that. 1159 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:46,360 No, of course, the odds are in 456's favor because he gets the 1160 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,480 last shot. Kong Yu has to kill himself. 1161 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,880 Yeah, I love that. There's also, and this is also 1162 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,840 echoed throughout the rest of the show, the rest of the plot. 1163 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,200 Where are you going to follow the rules? 1164 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,320 Yeah, yeah. It's like because that they're 1165 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,560 given the opportunity where they can break them but. 1166 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,400 Because they could just walk away. 1167 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,400 There's no they don't have to play the game. 1168 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,560 Right now they're given the option to just like leave and 1169 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,520 they don't or. You can just be like, you know 1170 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,400 what, never mind and just yeah. Just go get a job somewhere like 1171 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,480 and get a life. But instead he feels so trapped 1172 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:27,320 and he feels, So what is it? Superior committed all of these 1173 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:33,080 things that he was like, fine, I will kill myself for nothing. 1174 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,160 It's for nothing. It really is, and he almost to 1175 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,160 prove. A point. 1176 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,000 He did it to prove a point. Thus ending. 1177 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,080 I mean, I don't know. He'll never be back so. 1178 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,520 No, he's not going to go back. Is he going to be OK? 1179 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,040 No. So. 1180 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:54,760 But I love the the fact that you he was treating the the two 1181 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,600 gangsters who he kidnapped and had them play, Saber says. 1182 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,080 Or Rock. They were not. 1183 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,320 They didn't sign up to play the game. 1184 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,080 No, he's just a sadist like, and he's, he's about that life like 1185 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,280 he really is like that. He gets to how many people he's 1186 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,120 done that to. Exactly, exactly it makes you 1187 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,600 think. Amazing casting. 1188 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,240 I I couldn't get out. I was in absolute law. 1189 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,280 He was the real star of that first episode. 1190 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,240 And the acting in that, he was just so excellent. 1191 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:28,320 A lot of people have been taking screenshots of that scene and 1192 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:34,200 how Kongyo has like a uneven face, basically how 1/2 is 1193 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:39,200 shaded in like pink or something and he looks confident, he looks 1194 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,880 cocky, he looks determined. And then the other half, which 1195 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:48,600 is I think shaded in blue. He looks terrified and unsure. 1196 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,280 Love this. It's quite interesting to see 1197 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:58,240 how he's a mix of fear and doubt and sadistic overconfidence. 1198 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,040 It's so weird, but I was here for every second of it. 1199 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,760 Yeah, every second of it. Loved it. 1200 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,760 So episode 2 comes along, the game will not end unless the 1201 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,000 world changes is the concept of this episode. 1202 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,520 They put him in the games after his pitiful little 456 is 1203 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,760 pitiful plan doesn't happen. It's like crashes. 1204 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,440 Yeah. Don't they like put like they 1205 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,080 put a chip in his? Yeah, they put a chip in one of 1206 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,760 his molars, but. When he gets in like they find 1207 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,120 he he's just like I'm fucked. At least that's what the 1208 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,600 subtitle said. Like he goes to check they had 1209 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,080 removed it. Yeah, yeah. 1210 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,560 I I thought it was funny that people were like, how can they 1211 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,880 remove his tooth that had the implant and all this stuff and 1212 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,400 they don't remove TOP's drug cross. 1213 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,960 This was one of my favorite. Details and I'm like in. 1214 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,480 The whole show. Why would they remove his drug 1215 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,840 cross? That's going to make for better 1216 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,760 entertainment if someone's coked out and like tripping balls. 1217 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:04,240 They're like everything they do is from that angle of sadism and 1218 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,840 like, this is going to tie back to something that happens, I 1219 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,840 think in the last episode. But I love that detail so much 1220 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,120 because it was the first thing I thought of, like when I saw him, 1221 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,600 I'm like, oh, OK, So they look through everyone's stuff and 1222 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,319 they're like, OK, let's see what how this guy tries to play all 1223 01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,000 drugged out. Let's see if he distributes any 1224 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,600 of this to anyone else. And let's see how they play 1225 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,080 drugged out. Like this will be a fun wild 1226 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,040 card. They're horrible. 1227 01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:28,000 They're letting people destroy themselves. 1228 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,040 So yeah. Yeah, why wouldn't, why, why 1229 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,800 would they take that away and have him play sober? 1230 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,800 That's ridiculous. Like that. 1231 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,760 Even me, like I'm not running no games here, OK? 1232 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,359 I'm like, yeah, that's stupid. Like from an entertainment 1233 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:44,840 standpoint? I would. 1234 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,319 Absolutely. Think of reality television. 1235 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,640 Why would you take the drugs away from this? 1236 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,399 Give him more and work it into the. 1237 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:53,920 Budget. Yeah, exactly. 1238 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,080 It just, I didn't think people weren't thinking on that. 1239 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,560 They were just like, they took away his implant. 1240 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,080 I'm like, yeah, so they won't be found out and they can't be 1241 01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,840 tracked. When you look at, I think the, I 1242 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,960 think it, it's interesting because when I look at all the 1243 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,640 faults, it really comes. I'm not really the kind of guy 1244 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,800 who's like, oh, well, if you don't like it, it's because you 1245 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,800 don't understand. But from all the criticisms I've 1246 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,880 heard, I think that's the case. When you look at this show 1247 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,319 through the lens that the people in charge are just 1248 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,680 unrelentingly, bottomlessly sadistic, everything in the show 1249 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,240 makes perfect sense. So of course they let him keep 1250 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,800 the cross. And I love that detail. 1251 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,439 I love it. The backup plan for 456 is OK, 1252 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,720 reinsert me back in the game, reinsert me back into the matrix 1253 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,120 and I'm going to destroy the matrix from the inside out, 1254 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:45,319 right? That was his Plan B, and he was 1255 01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:50,080 he was going to show Player 001 that someone did help that 1256 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:55,280 homeless man in the end, and he lost the final game in Season 1. 1257 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,880 As he died. There's this thought that the 1258 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,920 world is predictable, and that's coming from the front man. 1259 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,280 This is back when they're talking through the loudspeaker, 1260 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,000 a Charlie's Angels style. The limo. 1261 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,920 He's like Bosley coming into the. 1262 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:16,600 Car, literally. So the game makers think that 1263 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,920 people are predictable, that people are hopeless, that no one 1264 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,160 is ever kind. It's survival of the fittest. 1265 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,520 The richest, the poor, are just horses to be raced, trash to be 1266 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:33,440 incinerated, playthings. And what Kyun 456 says is I'll 1267 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,680 show you that the world doesn't always go the way you want it 1268 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,720 to. I love that it's not always 1269 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,040 true, but I. Love it, right? 1270 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,240 It's like very like, OK, hope. Hope that's awesome. 1271 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:48,400 Yeah, at the end of episode 2 we get the twist, which I this was 1272 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,480 the only thing that surprised me in the whole fucking show was 1273 01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:53,800 that Pakyu Young is a pink soldier. 1274 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,480 That threw me super hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1275 01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:00,520 Everything with the little girl. I have notes on that, like the 1276 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,680 little strawberry hat, the rabbit, seeing the characters. 1277 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:09,320 You know, we are so by osmosis, if that's the one, right? 1278 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,560 Like familiar with Disney culture and we hear horror 1279 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,240 stories in our own community of like, oh, somebody did a big no 1280 01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,360 no, they saw Mickey Mouse or something without their helmet. 1281 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,000 And it's just so when I saw that little girl in the dressing room 1282 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,040 and then Oh my God, I hated everything with a little girl. 1283 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,720 I hated it so much. And then when I began to hate it 1284 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,720 even more, something that really pulled me out was we went and 1285 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,520 it's always the bone marrow transplant. 1286 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,520 Literally it's always the fucking bone marrow transplant. 1287 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,920 Like it's on every K drama drinking game. 1288 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,440 I don't know if you've ever read through them. 1289 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,520 There's always a bone marrow transplant right next to the kid 1290 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,160 that goes away and comes back from overseas. 1291 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,720 I'm like. It's very cliche, but I think 1292 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,560 that there were a lot of clues that I missed about Pacu Young 1293 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,880 being a pink soldier. The fact that she's literally in 1294 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,040 a pink Bunny outfit. Yeah, in retrospect, it's 1295 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,440 weirdly obvious. And her theme park Co worker 1296 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:11,960 said that she's the only one who can last a long time in that 1297 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,040 sweltering pink Bunny costume. She can do that because she's 1298 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,480 used to being messed up for the games. 1299 01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:21,960 Like it just makes a lot of sense and I did not see it 1300 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,000 coming. I just don't get what her 1301 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,080 motivation is yet. That's the only thing that there 1302 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,320 was me. Like the twist was great. 1303 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,520 But yeah, she's. Like the North Korean defector 1304 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,480 Part 2, because we obviously we had that character in Season 1 1305 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:37,440 who was so compelling and trying to win the games for her little 1306 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,640 brother. And then this character who is 1307 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:45,200 not quite developed at all really in season 2, she's 1308 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,000 introduced but not fleshed out really. 1309 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:52,920 She wants to bring her son from North Korea, which it's very 1310 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,040 highly likely that that kid is dead and buried or not even 1311 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,080 buried. Highly unfortunate for the 1312 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,680 character, but she still holds out a little bit of hope. 1313 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:08,800 And she kind of got not hoodwinked, but you know, it was 1314 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,440 one of those side hustle jaws that they were like what? 1315 01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:14,600 You have some skills, we can use you. 1316 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,160 It's high paying. Come and do this job. 1317 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,280 They don't got Uber out there. Like what's going, you know, I, 1318 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,200 you touched on something really interesting because that's 1319 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,320 something that stood out to me very, very quickly. 1320 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:30,480 And at first I was kind of like, this seems kind of lazy, but I 1321 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,600 really came to appreciate it. It's interesting how many of 1322 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,080 these characters are basically just, they're basically not a 1323 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,400 copy and paste, but their essence is very similar to the 1324 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,840 characters we got in the first season. 1325 01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:47,360 So we have she turns out to be a soldier. 1326 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,640 She's basically like a facsimile for season 1 North Korea girl. 1327 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,000 We have the trans character who stands out for being different, 1328 01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,120 much like the Indian expat who is living in South Korea. 1329 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,520 We have the shaman lady, which that's going to be a whole 1330 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,080 thing, who's basically effects Emily for the really needy, 1331 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,360 annoying older Ajuma from the first season. 1332 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,280 You remember the really annoying lady who was just like, OK, like 1333 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,560 for every. It's a lot of the characters 1334 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,000 were kind of like plucked, like their essence was plucked in. 1335 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,520 Yeah, they're archetypes. We were carried over. 1336 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,920 But I still, I was here for it. So yeah, I really. 1337 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,440 So we don't know her motivation though, right? 1338 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:31,920 We don't exactly know her motivation for staying and doing 1339 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,720 these games, I guess year after year, because it's not her first 1340 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,920 year doing this Pink Soldier gig. 1341 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,880 And I thought it was interesting that they spent time in this 1342 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,840 particular episode and in Season 2 for Pakya Young's character. 1343 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,760 They're setting up that she she's not immune to like other 1344 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,600 people's struggles, right? She really connected with the 1345 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,080 little girl she saw whenever she was there present in the park at 1346 01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,800 the parade, and she gave her a lollipop. 1347 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,640 And so she's looking out for the little guy. 1348 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,800 She's looking out for this. Those less fortunate than her 1349 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,200 who have maybe another, everybody's got a sob story, but 1350 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,760 that's a really sad sob story that she's terminal. 1351 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,280 She needs a bone marrow transplant. 1352 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,640 It's horrible. And she did that little like 1353 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,560 crayon drawing with her in the. It's adorable. 1354 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,720 And the little hat brought it to the hospital. 1355 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,280 It's a beautiful moment. Went out of her way to get the 1356 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,960 strawberry hat to her in the hospital after she collapsed and 1357 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,520 you're like, Oh my God, she can't possibly. 1358 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,680 That's why it's so surprising that she is a pink soldier who 1359 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,120 throughout Season 1, faceless, most mostly faceless. 1360 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,000 And we do see some pink soldiers, their faces, but also 1361 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,840 trying to profit off of the contestants and their dead 1362 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,040 bodies. And you know, you had that whole 1363 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,720 organ harvesting ring happening in season 1 with the pink 1364 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,080 soldiers. And so when she puts on the 1365 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,240 costume, you're like, but she's a mother, but she's a North 1366 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,760 Korean defector just like that other girl from Season 1. 1367 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,200 And like all these things that make her human, it goes away 1368 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,880 when she has the mask on. I guess she's just trying to. 1369 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,120 I guess this is their way of telling us that, well, you're 1370 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,280 either a contestant, it's like the victim or assailant thing, 1371 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,640 right? Either maybe? 1372 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,120 The victim is the assailant. Maybe the assailant is the 1373 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,400 victim. And I think that's. 1374 01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:21,160 Because this. Character is telling you. 1375 01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:24,880 It obviously doesn't pay well. No, she uses most of her money 1376 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,840 and her resources to try to contact. 1377 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,000 Yeah, try and get her kid. Back but she's living out of her 1378 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,680 car. Yeah, she's homeless. 1379 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,880 Like sleeping in parks. She's doing nothing so. 1380 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:38,080 We head into episode 3, we get all of the new contestants, 1381 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:44,240 another partner, 56 contestants in the game, and we we meet the 1382 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,600 the shaman. The irony of the Shraman saying 1383 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,560 that Kihuen for 56 is surrounded by spirits and can't stay or go. 1384 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,720 She correctly assumes that he's plagued by guilt basically, and 1385 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,520 says that if they get out of there, let her perform a ritual. 1386 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,520 And I'm paraphrasing because I don't think I have a direct 1387 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,480 quote. Dragged back here by angry 1388 01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:05,640 souls. That's what she was saying. 1389 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,040 Even a broken clock, right? So exactly a broken clock is 1390 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,920 right twice a day. Even though she sees clearly, 1391 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,120 sees his plate and what he's struggling with, she can't see 1392 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,480 the obvious danger in front of her that she might die. 1393 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,760 All these people are are going to die. 1394 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,960 I mean, it's pretty obvious, right? 1395 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,320 Like if you were to wake up in that room thinking you were part 1396 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,000 of a game, you'd just be like, wait, this is. 1397 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,960 Only one winner. What could that mean? 1398 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,960 I could say just send them home. So the shaman, and of course the 1399 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:44,440 fact that later on in the show she exerts her power through her 1400 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,400 having a pulse on like the spiritual and the spirits and 1401 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,120 stuff like that, she is getting people to vote the way she wants 1402 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,120 them to. Yeah, she starts basically 1403 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,400 making like a micro cult and like, yeah. 1404 01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,760 And considering that the impeach South Korean president was 1405 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,280 taking advice from a shaman for years. 1406 01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:07,160 It it's starting to all fall together. 1407 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:11,080 Yeah, yeah, this is very touchy for the Korean audience, I would 1408 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,080 say. Building a militia out of people 1409 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,760 already within the games too, like, OK, yeah, horrible. 1410 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:22,920 But in Episode 3, one of my favorite things that happens is 1411 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,120 it shows in a way, it's kind of good that there it was this long 1412 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,800 because I mentioned this earlier, but Gen. 1413 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,360 Z has really come of age. So my I love this, the 1414 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,800 orientation, for lack of a better term, when they're 1415 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,520 introducing and it's all these Gen. 1416 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,760 Z kids. Like, what about my shoes? 1417 01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,400 They were limited edition. I bought them off of stock X Oh, 1418 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,320 can I have a pink suit instead, please, Mr. Pink man? 1419 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,640 Like this, Like this jumpsuit's ugly. 1420 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:55,720 They're trying to take a group selfie with Thanos. 1421 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,640 All of it was very, very believable. 1422 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,880 And it's so ridiculous. I'm like, this is exactly how 1423 01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,840 this would go down. Like I was rolling at. 1424 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,800 This. Yeah, it's very apartment. 1425 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:11,200 You know the director slash writers is really tapping into 1426 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,440 something here. Really has their finger. 1427 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,200 On the pole, so I was. Like, oh, this is exactly how 1428 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,200 this would go down exactly. And even when they take that, 1429 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,720 when they go to take the group selfie, I love the game Masters. 1430 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,560 I guess the soldiers. Yeah, pink soldiers. 1431 01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,320 And they're like, you can't do that to the selfie. 1432 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,960 And they're like, Oh no, it'll be really quick. 1433 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,120 And they're just standing there like in disbelief. 1434 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,920 You can't see these soldiers faces, but they're just standing 1435 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,440 there like I but I said no, like what do you mean? 1436 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,120 It's so funny. Yeah, it's crazy. 1437 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,320 The new rule is vote after each game whether or not to continue 1438 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,480 if the majority votes to end the games and the winnings will be 1439 01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:53,920 distributed amongst all of these people and game over. 1440 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:54,840 It's a. Pretty good deal. 1441 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,920 But I thought I was like, wow, that's really generous. 1442 01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:04,080 So you can see that that doesn't go down easy after any game. 1443 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:09,960 Like they always vote to still play the game, whether out of 1444 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,760 there's not enough money, I'm not going home with enough 1445 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,880 money, which means not enough people died. 1446 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,120 And they don't care. And they don't. 1447 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:19,840 Start dividing in the X's and O's. 1448 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,480 We said this, I think in the Season 1 review, that Korea 1449 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:30,160 doesn't give second chances to people a lot like that's not a. 1450 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,000 Really a graceful culture. Yeah, exactly. 1451 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,640 So when you're branded someone who is severely in debt, let 1452 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:44,320 alone you actually owe millions of one, it's often not just to 1453 01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,600 the bank. You're owing loan sharks, 1454 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,080 predatory loan sharks, just like the ones that you know played 1455 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,080 paper, scissor, rock in Episode 1. 1456 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,400 And it's something you can never pay back and they're counting on 1457 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,440 you to never. Be exactly. 1458 01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,200 This isn't like our culture, which everyone has credit card 1459 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,040 debt, everyone's in debt. Yeah, like who cares? 1460 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,960 If anything, you're supposed to build debt so you can buy a 1461 01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,600 house. Yeah, you can just claim 1462 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,320 bankruptcy and then you'll rebound in a few years. 1463 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,200 But over there, that's not the case. 1464 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,920 The fact that they're like, we're not going home with enough 1465 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,000 money is more severe than the games are played here. 1466 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,320 And we'd be like, well, I'll just declare bankruptcy. 1467 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,400 That's a very important thing to point out too, because it's a 1468 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,080 criticism that I've heard a lot. And it's like, no matter how 1469 01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,640 much debt you're in, you're not like, most people wouldn't do 1470 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,680 that. It's like, no, not over there. 1471 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,840 Like, well, not in any society that would basically, I mean, in 1472 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,200 real life even like in a society that you're basically so 1473 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,640 ostracized for being in debt. Like of course this would 1474 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,320 probably play out like. That right, Because these loan 1475 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,520 sharks and the entities that you borrow from are not just going 1476 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,320 to come after you for the money. They come after your family to 1477 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,520 pay off the debt they're threatening you with. 1478 01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,920 You know, I'll sell your organs and things just to pay for the 1479 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,160 money out and things like that happen all the time. 1480 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,800 People get kidnapped. Do they have protections over 1481 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,040 there? Like, I know this is getting 1482 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:13,040 into the weeds, but we do like we have really extensive laws 1483 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,320 against predatory loans and gambling only became legal two 1484 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,840 years ago. If your mom had medical debt and 1485 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,320 unfortunately she passed, you don't assume that debt. 1486 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,320 No. But it could be a they do, 1487 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:26,200 right? They do. 1488 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:27,200 Exactly. Yeah. 1489 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,200 Jesus. So it's serious. 1490 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,080 I don't know how else to say that. 1491 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,480 So that's why people are like, we're still going to play. 1492 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:39,240 My life is not worth anything unless I get the money to pay 1493 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,480 off my debt. Jeez. 1494 01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,480 Well, I mean, at least that kind of bolsters and. 1495 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,640 I think there's been a lot of conversation about the fact that 1496 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,880 people aren't looking at the collective period like when it 1497 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,680 comes to because there's people that are begging to leave, 1498 01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:57,920 begging. They don't want to die, They're 1499 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,160 scared shitless. I would be too. 1500 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,080 I'd be shaving my pants first of all and I'd die first round but 1501 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,640 be stop I. Wouldn't make it past where I'd 1502 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:08,120 like. Green No. 1503 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:08,760 It's. Shaky. 1504 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,920 I'd be like shaking like a leaf. The fact that people are just 1505 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:18,280 not caring about other people really struck a chord with, I 1506 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:23,240 think, viewers in the season. They saw a lot of comparisons to 1507 01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,440 the political climate that's happening today. 1508 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,600 And even if I don't subscribe to that, let me just say the 1509 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,600 creator really did not give 2 shits about the American 1510 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,360 election. This was written maybe finished 1511 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,560 in 2023 and they had their first script reading in June 2023. 1512 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,040 So the 2024 election. Yeah. 1513 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,040 Nobody gave a shit about that. That was not I. 1514 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,200 Mean it just it just dropped yesterday. 1515 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:53,920 It's not like they just filmed it yesterday. 1516 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,840 You know what I mean? Like so that's a weird SO. 1517 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,040 People are like wow, this is so like whatever. 1518 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,920 I'm like OK settle down. I'm glad you found that 1519 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,680 interpretation. You're not wrong for your 1520 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,200 interpretation, that's totally fine. 1521 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,680 It's art. You can interpret it however 1522 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,840 what the fuck you want. But. 1523 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,560 In terms of events and consequence, though, you're 1524 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,960 wrong, so there you go. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1525 01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:13,920 That's exactly what I want to say. 1526 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,080 We meet TOP's character, purple hair, which if you don't know 1527 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,200 anything about TOP, he's known for having crazy hair colors. 1528 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,720 My favorite is the pink. Do you remember the pink hair 1529 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,880 with the pink suit for that of wardrobe? 1530 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,840 That was a whole moment. That was a whole moment. 1531 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,560 I loved it. Their collaboration with 21 on a 1532 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,480 couple of songs and then like the Pink and the Pink and had to 1533 01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:38,800 be there. They gave him purple hair, and 1534 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,720 he plays a rapper who won some reality show and then lost it 1535 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:49,320 all because of drug addiction. And I was like, oh, you can't 1536 01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:50,800 make it. Oh, my God. 1537 01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:55,120 So this character was written before TOP was ever, you know, 1538 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,840 attached to the project. That is what the writer director 1539 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,600 said. But when it came to casting, he 1540 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,800 was like, OK, great. Like I'd love to take a meeting 1541 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,440 with TOP and it happened. That is so great. 1542 01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:11,840 The fact that he's even in this, I'm telling you, it is special. 1543 01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,840 It's special to see him on our screens. 1544 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,320 He was so funny. He was easily just, he was so 1545 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,240 endeared because he was so dumb. He's so dumb. 1546 01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,920 I love like he's just kind of like he kind of reminds me of 1547 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,000 Orla from Dairy girls. No matter what's going on, he's 1548 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,720 somewhere in the background just like like just bombing his head 1549 01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,240 and just like beat that. He's making himself like they're 1550 01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:42,000 just introducing rules and he's like his ad libs in English are. 1551 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,320 Quit, quit and if you don't know anything about TOP, this is not 1552 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:49,640 going to land as well because even the raps and things that he 1553 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:55,440 was doing, I was like, oh. Hey, Senorita. 1554 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:56,840 And then he would say something Korean. 1555 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,960 He's like, we can make it out of this game, OK? 1556 01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:01,640 I'm just like, what? Bro? 1557 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,840 Shut the fuck. Oh God, it's so great. 1558 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:11,480 So anyway, we also see curly haired dude with his mom. 1559 01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:16,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So double O seven with his mom 1560 01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,040 149. This was like the one that I 1561 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,520 really sank my teeth into this relationship and those two 1562 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,280 playing together, especially in light of the fact that 456 Kyun 1563 01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,560 like reinserted himself back into the game in season 1 1564 01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,880 because he needed money to save his mom. 1565 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,760 Like his mom was sick. The irony is it didn't matter, 1566 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,360 right? His mom died anyway when he 1567 01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,160 exited the game and won the squid game to see this 1568 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,840 character, the wires got crossed. 1569 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,920 They're both in playing the squid game. 1570 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,720 I'm like oh shit. That was rough. 1571 01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,160 Yeah, that was rough. But that was immediately the 1572 01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:59,880 idea that the characters aren't memorable. 1573 01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:00,840 Like, what are you talking about? 1574 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:06,120 Like we have a mother son duo. Yeah, the son is like a greedy, 1575 01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,240 like nightmare. The mom's like this empathetic 1576 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,760 woman who literally joined this just to get him out of debt, not 1577 01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:14,160 even her own. Powerful. 1578 01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,960 Iconic. And then also they meet the 1579 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:23,000 trans character 120 is Hyunju. I I think people, I don't want 1580 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:28,000 to say that this is like the mom is very traditional, right? 1581 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,880 She's a comes from a different generation. 1582 01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:34,600 And so when they meet 120, she like, doesn't get it. 1583 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,280 Like, she doesn't get the concept of being trans and why 1584 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,880 would you change your sex and gender? 1585 01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:44,160 And, like, you can tell that she's traditional just from her 1586 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:45,960 hairpin. Yeah, right. 1587 01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,960 Like, Korean married women traditionally wore a hairpin 1588 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,520 called a bigno to hold their hair in a bun at the nape of 1589 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,040 their neck, and she's wearing one. 1590 01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,280 This is like a relic. Like she doesn't have to do this 1591 01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:00,600 to signify that she's married. She's like literally an old 1592 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,280 Korean woman who was in the war. Like because she mentions, I 1593 01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:05,920 think she mentions like and what? 1594 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,840 I'll give her credit for this. Nothing was really out of 1595 01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,240 malice. She was just remarking she's 1596 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,240 like, oh, she looks really ugly. What an unfortunate looking 1597 01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:13,360 woman. I was like, well, she was just 1598 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:14,600 like. Is that a man or is that a 1599 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:15,400 woman? Yeah. 1600 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,400 And I'm like, this is you could have this conversation with any 1601 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,280 person from an older generation. Yeah, like it was. 1602 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,040 There was no malice there. No, no, no. 1603 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,680 And you know, as the show goes on, it's not like it just gets 1604 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,320 better. So I mean. 1605 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,360 It does. And then we have 120 who tells 1606 01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,560 her story and she says, oh, I was fired from my job. 1607 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,240 Come to find out, she she was in the military in the ROK Special 1608 01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,200 forces. Wow. 1609 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,520 That was such a great reveal. Yes, I love that. 1610 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,920 I loved it and that again just echoes the true story that I 1611 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:57,720 said in the non spoiler section. Thanos cracking open his pills, 1612 01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,640 stashing across, was actually reminding me of Cruel 1613 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,120 Intentions. Yes. 1614 01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:07,200 Bro Oh my God I was like he's the Marsha fucking Brady of the 1615 01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,280 Upper East Side. I love this. 1616 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:14,760 Yeah, you can't make it up. Thanos shoves three people to 1617 01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,080 their deaths. And that part took me out. 1618 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:22,440 And you go thing and then fly me to the moon, pop slash remix 1619 01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:27,280 versions starts playing and I'm like, wow, that's is that a a 1620 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,480 bit? Because TOP really wanted to go 1621 01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:31,320 to the moon and then they cancelled that trip. 1622 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,000 The note is the same 1 I had for the first season. 1623 01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,520 I need that jazz set. I need that jazz set like I 1624 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,280 don't know, I need it. And then the remix jazz 1625 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,280 sequence, like just stop. Like, like they dropped a beat 1626 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,800 and everything. What did you think of 456 trying 1627 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,720 to warn everybody? Yeah, that whole segment, that 1628 01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,040 was really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1629 01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,320 And then people are actually taking direction versus the 1630 01:29:55,560 --> 01:30:00,240 complete carnage and panic from Season 1. 1631 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:01,920 But that's why more people died in Season 1. 1632 01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,040 Nobody had nobody. Knew what they were getting 1633 01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,000 into. Yeah. 1634 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,320 And it's like when they're running, I do love how at that 1635 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,000 point they kind of establish who's going to be an ex, like, 1636 01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,760 who wants to leave the game and who wants to stay in the game. 1637 01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,720 So very clever groundwork. There and then, just like Ali's 1638 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:25,760 character in season 1120 is there helping 456 save that dude 1639 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,360 who ends up getting shot anyway cuz. 1640 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,680 That was cuz life is cruel if I busted Elon Musk as I keep 1641 01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,440 calling 001 just looks he looks like Elon Musk. 1642 01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:37,960 I don't know. Yeah, so we got to talk about 1643 01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,160 001. I was seeing too much of this 1644 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:46,000 that people didn't realize that player 001 was the front man. 1645 01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:50,680 But right. Like, yeah, like I am convinced. 1646 01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,040 They did not. I'm like what? 1647 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,680 I'm convinced. I'm convinced that people are 1648 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,480 watching this show while like, scrolling on their phone 1649 01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:00,680 literally because there's no way. 1650 01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,240 Like you can't. How? 1651 01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,080 Can you not? Attain that like it happened 1652 01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:06,520 like 10 minutes ago. People are talking about 1653 01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,280 theories and I'm like, that's not a theory. 1654 01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,720 That's that is the thing. The thing is that that's not 1655 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,040 subtext. That's what actually happened. 1656 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:18,640 That's the actual identity of this person and people missing 1657 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:23,920 that Ebungun is the front man is 001 is shady is playing the game 1658 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,480 out of for some underhanded reason. 1659 01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:30,520 Yes, exactly that's. So what did they think was 1660 01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,360 happening when they made that big show of not showing who 001 1661 01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:38,680 was until he turned around? It was, they explained that it's 1662 01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,440 not even yet. Whatever. 1663 01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:41,560 Oh. God. 1664 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,840 Yeah. Yeah, Ebungun's. 1665 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,040 Character. Me too. 1666 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:52,560 Evington's character decides the vote at the end of episode 3 and 1667 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:57,280 he votes to continue the game. And the fact that he looks back 1668 01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:03,640 and witnesses 456 and his look of despair, and he smiles. 1669 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,680 Yep, classic. To tell you everything you need 1670 01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,720 to know about that character and his motivations, he's there to 1671 01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,320 Humble 456. Yeah, right off RIP. 1672 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:19,040 Like there was never a moment in the entire thing where I 1673 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,280 thought, oh, maybe he's coming around and he'll see these 1674 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,240 people. This man has watched thousands 1675 01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,680 upon thousands of people die in those brutal ways. 1676 01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,080 He's not going to come around. So I, you know, there is 1677 01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,840 something that I was wondering about though, like 456 not being 1678 01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,880 immediately suspicious about 001 considering what happened. 1679 01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,040 Last that didn't make sense to me I was like 0456 is actually 1680 01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,920 stupid because any and there. Was like falling in there was 1681 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:50,440 enough in there like when 001 new 456 is real name and he's 1682 01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:51,720 like how did how do you know my name? 1683 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,640 He's like no poker face whatsoever. 1684 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,240 Your friend said it and he's like, oh, OK. 1685 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,280 Like what? That that would have been like. 1686 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,480 I'm going to sit over here now. Yeah, like, OK, I'm going to 1687 01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:08,240 isolate you, bitch, because you're going to kill us. 1688 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,560 So I don't know why he wasn't immediately suspicious of 001, 1689 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,960 but yeah, wrong choice. That was the only thing that 1690 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,280 kind of threw me. Like whatever, I overlooked 1691 01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,000 that. But also, oh man, I forgot to 1692 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,680 ask you this. When did you know that the boat 1693 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,560 driver, the captain of the boat, was this? 1694 01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,080 Immediately. Immediately. 1695 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,800 Well, there's a there's an old trope of like the shanty guy who 1696 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,000 plays both sides. Whoever pays who plays pays 1697 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,320 more. It goes back to the Hardy Boys. 1698 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:46,600 Like, it's such a classic trope. But also just every single 1699 01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,320 chance he got, he was like, I think we should turn around. 1700 01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:50,800 Yeah. Oh, no, we're all fine. 1701 01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,680 We're good. Oh, well, he should go to a 1702 01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,200 hospital. When one of the men get hurt on 1703 01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,560 the ship, he's like, I still think we should go back. 1704 01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,920 No, we're good. He's like, all right. 1705 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,560 So like immediately, like there's too much resistance. 1706 01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:05,560 There's so much resistance. You can't tell me that looking 1707 01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,600 for two, I think it was two years that the cop was out there 1708 01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,080 searching the surrounding islands and barrier islands for 1709 01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,840 the Squid Game island. And I'm like, he's undermining 1710 01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,360 that investigation. Like, period. 1711 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,480 I don't understand why people were people were surprised in 1712 01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:29,840 the final episode that he was evil and on the Squid Game 1713 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,480 payroll. I was like how it. 1714 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,360 Makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. 1715 01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,200 Like you have this guy navigating those islands for a 1716 01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,320 living. How the hell did he find it? 1717 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,480 Whatever. How the hell did he find the cop 1718 01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:45,880 just floating around and he was like, I just stumbled across 1719 01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:46,880 you. I was like, bullshit. 1720 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,080 What is this the? Border on this remote like UN 1721 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,720 like uncharted island like he obviously he goes there. 1722 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,640 Obviously the front man let him know, hey, my brother just fell 1723 01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,840 off a Cliff, why don't you come and pick his ass up so he 1724 01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,120 doesn't die? That I mean. 1725 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,040 So many opportunities to get that. 1726 01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,880 Or like with the chip that was in 456's tooth, they find it in 1727 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:15,080 a tackle box full of bait. Like, Oh yeah, this was sold to 1728 01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,120 us on the pier. I wasn't. 1729 01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:19,720 Fucking let. Me, be clear. 1730 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,520 He's in on it. Completely clear. 1731 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,240 I wasn't disappointed with the reveal. 1732 01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,400 No, but I was waiting for it because I was like, I wonder how 1733 01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:27,960 they're going to show. It 1000%. 1734 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,040 But I love that. People didn't read it. 1735 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,560 They're not reading it. I was convinced because so many 1736 01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,320 people are watching Squid Game and they're coming up with 1737 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,160 theories and I'm like, it's not a theory. 1738 01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:40,480 Did. We watch the same show did. 1739 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:44,520 We watch the same show. Like I don't like spouting that 1740 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,240 media literacy is dead. But after going through the 1741 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,840 frenzy, the social media TikTok frenzy of Squid Game and seeing 1742 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,200 the comments and seeing how people were reacting and what 1743 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,600 they were guessing and what they weren't picking up on, I'm like, 1744 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,720 yeah, media literacy. Maybe. 1745 01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:00,200 Maybe it's. Dead. 1746 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,320 Maybe it's dead. I don't. 1747 01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,240 I don't know. Yeah, I don't. 1748 01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:09,200 Episode 4 and five Kanganul, we get his reveal. 1749 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,560 He like pops up when they're eating and he's 388. 1750 01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:16,480 He grew up the only boy in a generation or two among five 1751 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:19,760 sisters. And when his fellow Marine asked 1752 01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,920 why his family let him become a Marine, a Marine, he said. 1753 01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:27,680 And there was definitely a look, a beat there before he answers 1754 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,840 and says, he said, oh, my dad wanted to be wanted me to be 1755 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,880 more manly. So he encouraged me to enlist. 1756 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,960 I'm like, there's something he's not saying there. 1757 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,480 There's a history, There's something shady about his 1758 01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,760 reaction and whether he's a Marine or not. 1759 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,560 And his name means like Big Tiger, which is like really 1760 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,320 massive, like overtly masculine. So I'm like, he's compensated. 1761 01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,600 This is a big compensation for something, right? 1762 01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:56,680 Yeah, I think it's just like, I think if we read it on the 1763 01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,360 surface, because it happens every day. 1764 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,960 The dad obviously wanted a boy and instead got a bunch of girls 1765 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:05,360 before him so. That they were trying for the 1766 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,320 boy. That's why there's five sisters. 1767 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,360 So they finally have the boy and they're like, all right, we're 1768 01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,720 going to like, we're really going to make this one as 1769 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:16,360 masculine as we possibly can. Doesn't work because, you know, 1770 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,800 he's out there playing Lulu. Skip to my loo or whatever their 1771 01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,560 analogue is for that. Like over there. 1772 01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,720 He's like, they're like, how do you know how to play this game? 1773 01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,200 This very girly hopscotch game? Oh, I have like 5 sisters. 1774 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,520 Oh, OK. Yeah, I liked his character. 1775 01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:33,040 I think he was very like, I don't know, friendly. 1776 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,440 Yeah, he's very friendly, very tripper. 1777 01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,440 And I love how Kanga Noel plays it like to be quite honest with 1778 01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:44,000 you, because you could miss all, all of those cues unless you 1779 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,960 were, you're sitting there and you're like, oh, he's there's 1780 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,120 something he's not saying. I wonder if he was in the 1781 01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:51,840 military at all or if he defected or something. 1782 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,280 That's my whole thing exactly. That's. 1783 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,320 What a lot of people think is that maybe he's a defector or 1784 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,520 maybe he never went to the military and he's not a Marine, 1785 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,160 or maybe he just, you know, Marine drop out or something 1786 01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,680 like that versus a defector. He was discharged or something. 1787 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:10,480 When he shows his tattoo to like the crew on the XS during, well, 1788 01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,360 the last episode and everybody just busts out laughing and this 1789 01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,320 like insecurity that he has around it. 1790 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:17,560 He's like, they can see through me. 1791 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,000 Like I, I wonder what that's going to. 1792 01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,200 Turn out the coward is that's his trigger, right? 1793 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,800 Is that someone thinks he's a coward? 1794 01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,400 Yeah, and it's. And that comes into play in the 1795 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,880 final episode is that he is having some sort of trauma 1796 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,760 response to the shooting. I actually wrote there the 1797 01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,200 Marines are so endearing they must be headed straight for 1798 01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:38,880 death. That was my note for them. 1799 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,880 Not wrong. Episode 4, Let me see. 1800 01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:46,760 Oh, can we talk about that nightmare that 456 has? 1801 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,280 Oh yeah, sure, go for. It, yeah, so like the first game 1802 01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:53,240 is the same, which I appreciate, you know, but then the second 1803 01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,480 game, we think it's going to be the Dalgona game again. 1804 01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:57,560 Plot twist. Not so plot twist. 1805 01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,760 They end up changing it. But 456 and it was clever 1806 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,640 marketing too, because it was misdirection right from the 1807 01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,960 start. He tells everybody, OK, the 1808 01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,160 triangle's the easiest shape, just get the triangle. 1809 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,400 But when he opens his container, it's a bunch of triangles within 1810 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,800 a triangle. He starts getting berated by a 1811 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,200 room and it turns out to be a dream. 1812 01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,840 I don't know what's worse. I don't know if it's worse that 1813 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:23,320 that was that that would have been a possibility, or the games 1814 01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,960 that we got instead. Right, Because instead we get 1815 01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,880 this nightmarish group project of a game. 1816 01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,520 Yeah, we get the five game relay. 1817 01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,360 What is it? It's like Jack's it, It's a 1818 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:38,840 relay race and then it's Jax and there's like a hopscotch game 1819 01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,000 like Kiki, like where you just hold up like like hacky sack 1820 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,520 basically. And then then the envelope game 1821 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,840 and whatever. Yes, the spinning top game. 1822 01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:49,720 I love those games. Me too. 1823 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,360 I thought that was so. This was a really great episode 1824 01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:53,800 I thought. It was so. 1825 01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,160 Good or it was I think it was 2 episodes like the games. 1826 01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:00,000 It was 2 episodes, yeah, like, and it was just as the trans 1827 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,960 characters team like she was, she was basically leading. 1828 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,640 This pack of misfits. Yeah, you could tell. 1829 01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:08,240 Her the shaman is. A leader. 1830 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,800 Yeah, which, you know, special. Great under pressure, and that 1831 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,800 all comes back in the final episode, right? 1832 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,320 Like these great qualities Set 120 has. 1833 01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:21,360 I have a quote here. Oh yeah, 'cause the shaman, I 1834 01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,400 have two. Did you laugh when the shaman 1835 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:26,320 got like? Decked in or yes, I was like 1836 01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:31,240 cheering because like the shaman's getting very mouthy and 1837 01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,320 the older lady, the movie she's like, why does the skank keeps 1838 01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,680 talking, keep talking down to us. 1839 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:41,200 But then I got man fuck group projects, which I stand by. 1840 01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,160 But when the shaman is like, I don't know if I can do this. 1841 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:48,040 The spirits or whatever, the Special Forces agent, she just 1842 01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:51,920 slaps the shit out of her and says if you give up, I'll kill 1843 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:55,000 you before the gods do. Took me out. 1844 01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,280 Took me out. I was busting out laughing 1845 01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:02,080 because my favorite bit in this, again, I love the humor in this. 1846 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:03,640 And they say, well, what are you? 1847 01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,960 She's like, I am whatever, shaman of the sea. 1848 01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,720 And everybody just looks at her like a Bikini Bottom resident, 1849 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,440 like just exhausted. Just like. 1850 01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,840 Yeah, like. I loved it. 1851 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,640 And then a lot of people picked up on the fact that 456 and his 1852 01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:25,720 group with the front man, they went last because if they failed 1853 01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:29,600 then the pink soldiers could just kill everyone and leave the 1854 01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:35,120 front man 001 alive, maintaining his anonymity and his identity. 1855 01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,960 And then I also like the fact that front man people picked up 1856 01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:40,440 on the suit. This isn't my original thought, 1857 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:45,480 but in all of the points leading up to he's inserted into the 1858 01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:50,280 game, 001 slash front man was using his left hand or 1859 01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,400 everything. Like picking up his glass of 1860 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,720 whiskey and taking off his mask and stuff all with his left 1861 01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,560 hand. And then once he does the 1862 01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:01,840 spinning top game, he's failing over and over again because he's 1863 01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,440 using his right hand to throw the top. 1864 01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,800 That was a really good detail. I love that detail as well. 1865 01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,880 And then of course, a successful attempt was with his left hand. 1866 01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:15,560 I love also the. SO after each game they clean up 1867 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:16,760 the bodies. Yeah. 1868 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,360 Something I found really clever was they didn't clean up the 1869 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,280 blood. No, the blood was there for them 1870 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,040 to slip in, to trip in, to throw everybody off. 1871 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,560 That was a really clever, if not, you know, sadistic. 1872 01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:29,280 Yeah. What was your favorite game of 1873 01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:30,640 those? Mine was the Jacks. 1874 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:32,640 Yeah, yeah, I really like the jacks that. 1875 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,320 Was wild. Because I thought that like 1876 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,280 hacky sack, the hacky sack thing, I was like, I think I 1877 01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,360 could do that. Like I was like, that's not I. 1878 01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,040 Have the coordination of a dead moose and I could do that so 1879 01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:44,680 like. Or I think it's really difficult 1880 01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:48,600 to flip the the Takchi game where they have to flip the 1881 01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,640 folded paper. I'm like, yeah, I could not do 1882 01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,280 that. That would take me like 1500 1883 01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,040 tries to do that. But the Jacks thing, I'm like, 1884 01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,280 Oh yeah. Which a lot of people have been 1885 01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,200 posting their family members playing this game on TikTok. 1886 01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:03,320 I don't know if you saw that trend. 1887 01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:05,800 I have been like, this is my mom playing the game or whatever. 1888 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:06,720 I forgot what the game is called. 1889 01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:10,360 And they are not a day has passed since they last played 1890 01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:11,240 that game. It's. 1891 01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,280 Amazing. I love it so. 1892 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,440 You have to pick up like. I think it's one, then two, then 1893 01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,880 three and. So on and so on. 1894 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,240 You got to do a trick shot for the last one like you just. 1895 01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,000 Yeah, the trick shot of like flipping it and then catching it 1896 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,320 on the top of your hand. It's crazy. 1897 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,280 I love. It it's a game of skill that 1898 01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,280 turns into a game of chance. Here for it. 1899 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:34,440 Love it. Oh, my God, The timid girl who 1900 01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:39,000 was in Yeah, 120, the trans woman, her group also had this 1901 01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,400 really timid girl who was begging to leave the game. 1902 01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,040 She had like, short cropped hair. 1903 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:48,840 Yeah. When she calls 120 unni, I, like 1904 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,400 I almost cried. Yeah, really affirmed like, no, 1905 01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,400 it really like shook me to my core. 1906 01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:55,920 She's. Like unni which means older, it 1907 01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,920 means older sister. Really affirmed like who she 1908 01:43:58,920 --> 01:43:59,840 was. It was great. 1909 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,760 It was great and she was the first one to reach out to her. 1910 01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,160 Everybody was rejecting 1 Tony so. 1911 01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:09,480 Exactly because everyone was just looking at, I mean, it's a 1912 01:44:09,480 --> 01:44:12,760 microcosm of, I suspect Korean society at large that they like, 1913 01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,880 I want nothing to do with this anomaly. 1914 01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:20,560 And they keep othering her. And then this girl just opens up 1915 01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,400 and says, hey, like, do you have a partner? 1916 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,840 And like, it's so touching. It was great. 1917 01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,680 Loved. It second vote and I, I think 1918 01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:31,560 this one, I kind of kept getting the idea that everyone was just 1919 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:33,560 addicted. It was a gambling addiction. 1920 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,400 Yeah, you got a room full of gamblers being offered a chance 1921 01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,600 to win something they're of course going to win to keep 1922 01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:39,640 going. Exactly. 1923 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,360 So I was like, what is addiction? 1924 01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,760 These people are in severe debt. Society has written them off. 1925 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,080 They're outcasts. They have nothing technically to 1926 01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,120 lose. And like you said, many of them 1927 01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,560 are addicted to gambling, or at the very least they're risk 1928 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,080 taking. And this is the ultimate gamble 1929 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,720 with their own lives, the chance to win more money literally 1930 01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,720 hanging over their heads in a giant childish Piggy Bank. 1931 01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:04,200 Yeah, and the casino sound effects. 1932 01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,520 Yeah, the casino something like no, no, no, like and then 1933 01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:08,840 introducing all of what they could win. 1934 01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,040 Yeah, it was very structured, just like a casino, like the 1935 01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:15,040 flashing lights, the positive color for staying. 1936 01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,400 Yeah, No, no windows. There's no windows. 1937 01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:23,080 Are about closing the red light, green light and closing the roof 1938 01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:24,320 on that. Oh yeah. 1939 01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,880 That's what I read that as. I'm like, oh, they're really 1940 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,200 gonna like, they were trapped before, but now they're like 1941 01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:33,440 trap trapped like. And then we also get talking 1942 01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:36,680 about the trans character. She's talking about, like, where 1943 01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:38,120 she wants to go. She wants to go to Thailand to, 1944 01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,360 like, finish her transition. She's not done. 1945 01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:43,560 And of course the girl says you're beautiful too, Ani, 1946 01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,680 because they're talking about oh, like there's so many people 1947 01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,840 just like you and Thailand and they're all so beautiful. 1948 01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:50,680 Like she just says you're already beautiful. 1949 01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:55,040 I don't like. Even the curly haired dude was 1950 01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,640 like oh some of them are even prettier than the women here. 1951 01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,600 Yeah. I love a great. 1952 01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,320 Moment of community and like, I don't know. 1953 01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:05,920 Like but then the Ajima comes in with the like. 1954 01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,360 That cracked me up. She's like, well, I'm not going 1955 01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,880 to go as far as to say you're beautiful, but you're very 1956 01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:15,080 pretty and I see you and I'm like, that is such an old woman 1957 01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,040 compliment. She's not a liar. 1958 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,200 Like she didn't lie. She was like, I don't, not 1959 01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,120 personally do I think maybe not, but. 1960 01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,880 It's always that, it's always that compliment from an older 1961 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,560 person. But it was still very touching. 1962 01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,480 She's like inviting her to her home, like we'll have soup. 1963 01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:32,520 We'll have. Beef. 1964 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,960 I mean, this is the equivalent of like Princess Diana hugging 1965 01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:39,320 somebody with AIDS. Like this is literally it's big 1966 01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,200 right for. It's really good representation. 1967 01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,560 Like I don't, I don't know how it would be received in Korea, 1968 01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:48,280 but I I thought it was very respectful representation. 1969 01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,920 I thought it was very positive representation. 1970 01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,120 Someone from an older generation, someone who's very 1971 01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,480 traditional, who already voiced some of the things that maybe 1972 01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:59,800 society at large already feels. And then she's getting to know 1973 01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,720 120 and she's like, well, you're nice, like you're a good person 1974 01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,920 and like I just why don't you come to my home? 1975 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,680 Like that is very to invite her to her home and like cook her a 1976 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,960 meal that's does a lot. Yeah, and the concept of like 1977 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:17,320 forgiveness when she because the transcriptor she ultimately does 1978 01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,960 in one of the votes, votes to stay. 1979 01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:21,120 Oh yeah, she votes. Yeah. 1980 01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,040 And everybody feels very betrayed. 1981 01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,360 But it's also like, at the end of the day, you know, she's a 1982 01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,200 great leader. She's friendly, she's welcoming. 1983 01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,920 She wants to be seen for who she is. 1984 01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,160 But ultimately, like, this surgery means so much to her. 1985 01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:35,880 It means being realized as a woman and living her life. 1986 01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:41,880 It represents like a new life. Yeah, so she apologizes and they 1987 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,680 quickly accept her back to like, you know what, We get it, but 1988 01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,080 don't do it again, Yeah. Don't do that shit again. 1989 01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:51,480 Episode 6 and seven we get the mingle game, which is like that 1990 01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:53,520 rotating platform and they have to. 1991 01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:55,920 Musical chairs. Yes, musical chairs. 1992 01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,280 It's very. Much musical chairs. 1993 01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:04,240 Man, the girl who called 120 on these she dies brutally because 1994 01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,560 she fell down and. You know, I know that they tried 1995 01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,520 to like I still blame. We haven't talked about him and 1996 01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:16,640 I'm kind of glad because I hated him like right off RIP more more 1997 01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,120 than TO PS character, which really tells you something. 1998 01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,840 Was this dirtbag with the cryptocurrency? 1999 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,920 No, the crypto oh man, she. Wants what a piece of shit he 2000 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,800 was the he was the reason why home girl died. 2001 01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,360 I mean, I know they're like, you wouldn't have had time, but the 2002 01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:36,160 way that 120 sees it is I could have at least tried to sue her 2003 01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,200 and you shoved this bitch out of the way so that you can come in. 2004 01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:43,080 No, you like ran into our room and shut the door, right? 2005 01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:44,680 Exactly. Horrible. 2006 01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:46,040 She could have made it. I don't. 2007 01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:47,480 I don't buy that she could have made it. 2008 01:48:47,480 --> 01:48:49,480 She got up with the quickness. But no. 2009 01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:53,600 This is the new like. Could Leo have survived on the 2010 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:59,560 door at the end of Titanic? Could this poor little girl have 2011 01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:05,880 survived 095095 young me man, just As for young me. 2012 01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,560 Because damn, she was. Devastating. 2013 01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,800 It was devastating and she wanted just being like she 2014 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,840 wouldn't have made a yadda yadda bitch like. 2015 01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:14,840 If I was him, I'd keep it. But you know what? 2016 01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:21,080 I loved that detail too because it's a classic pump and dump 2017 01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,840 scheme behavior. It's like, well, I never told 2018 01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,960 you to buy it. I never told you when to sell 2019 01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:27,840 it. I was just promoting it heavily 2020 01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,520 and encouraging you to do it. I never told you to do it. 2021 01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:32,240 You bought it, you sold when it was low. 2022 01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,800 That's your problem. Everybody who's historically 2023 01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:38,120 been in that kind of pump and dump scheme has a very like, I 2024 01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:40,320 have no accountability for this whatsoever. 2025 01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:44,600 So and then on top of that, his pregnant ex-girlfriend who he 2026 01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,120 ghosted being in the games, which we haven't even talked. 2027 01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:50,440 About we haven't talked about her, but like, damn, yeah, the 2028 01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:55,080 mingle game is devastating. And I think 120 has to feel 2029 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:59,360 extremely responsible for the death as well, not just because 2030 01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,360 like, oh, she couldn't make it in time, She couldn't get her 2031 01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,240 and she won. Like push shoved his way in and 2032 01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:06,880 all that shit. The fact that just before 120 2033 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,320 voted to keep going in the games. 2034 01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:12,280 Yeah, accountability rolls really deep in this. 2035 01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,640 Was it worth it? Like even if you win, was it 2036 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:20,000 worth it to kill this girl who like actually affirmed your 2037 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,360 identity and called you unni with like all the love in the 2038 01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,720 world and was supportive of you? Like, did you really want to 2039 01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,960 kill this kind of person? She better not have died in 2040 01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:30,000 vain. Oh yeah, no. 2041 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,160 Oh my God. Because like I love the mother 2042 01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:34,800 son duo. I can't say it enough. 2043 01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:38,240 Like when the mom approaches the girl and she's like, you need to 2044 01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,240 eat more eggs because you're pregnant. 2045 01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:44,280 And like, oh, stop immediately. I was like, if anything happens 2046 01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,520 to this woman, I'm going to kill everybody in this fucking room 2047 01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,400 myself. I will be a pink soldier. 2048 01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,120 Like I will go in. I'm going back to the mingle 2049 01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:57,320 game when her son gets dragged off and he's trying like 2050 01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:00,400 fighting those two dudes and stuff to get back to his mom 2051 01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,520 because I think the number was 3. 2052 01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:04,960 And so they were trying to find one other person. 2053 01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,520 He like, can't, no matter what he's struggling against, he 2054 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,520 couldn't get back to her and her face and his face and how sorry 2055 01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,160 he was after they survived that game. 2056 01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:15,800 Oh my God, it killed me, Cut me to. 2057 01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:20,440 Pieces horrendous. But a plus for front man 001 and 2058 01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:23,480 4:56 just swooping in to save her. 2059 01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:25,840 They did not ask her like do you want to live? 2060 01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:26,960 Do you want to be in a group with us? 2061 01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,400 They just picked her up and ran into a room and I was like, wow, 2062 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,760 yes, that's. That was great because even 001 2063 01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:38,960 couldn't let that happen. 001 was playing that game as if he 2064 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:43,080 was really kind of die. What do we feel about his 2065 01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,920 motivation? His motivation was that. 2066 01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:47,920 Well, The thing is, he really puts on a good show in the game 2067 01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:51,880 before that, which was the pentathlon, the five game relay, 2068 01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:57,320 he's like cheering and shit and like all in the game and. 2069 01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:58,560 He's like vibing. He's like. 2070 01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,440 Yeah, he's vibing like he just. It's almost like he forgets. 2071 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:05,800 He gives a story though, that his wife had cirrhosis and 2072 01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:08,560 needed an organ or whatever. I wonder though, that's true. 2073 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,400 That's. 100% true. It's a. 100% true because we 2074 01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,480 find out this season that it was an organ harvesting thing. 2075 01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:17,720 The best lies have a little bit of truth in them. 2076 01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:21,440 Yeah, and that story rang of truth to me. 2077 01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,440 It's too specific. It's too specific and of course 2078 01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:27,520 it ties perfectly in with the story that we had. 2079 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:31,720 June's mom is saying, yeah, I think in one of the 1st 2 2080 01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,960 episodes where he's having dinner with his mom. 2081 01:52:34,440 --> 01:52:36,640 And of course Ebiungan is still missing. 2082 01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:39,360 They don't know where he is. And the mom is talking about 2083 01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,720 family history and that family tea of like, I couldn't do 2084 01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:48,040 anything to help his wife. Ebiungan's wife, 001 lost his 2085 01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:50,440 wife and I couldn't do anything and all this stuff. 2086 01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:55,040 And that tracks that he lost his wife to cirrhosis of the liver, 2087 01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,240 couldn't get a liver transplant and she died. 2088 01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:02,760 And to me the story is in 2015 he entered the games to win 2089 01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:07,280 money to pay for his wife's surgery or whatever or buy a 2090 01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,960 liver off the black market or something for her. 2091 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,320 And he won the game but it was too late. 2092 01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:17,240 His wife already died. Same deal as 456 and his mom 2093 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,840 dying. Yeah, so he made it up the ranks 2094 01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:23,920 and like, that's what the organ harvesting things for, can you 2095 01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,080 know? Like he couldn't cope with that 2096 01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,440 irony, the injustice and being too late. 2097 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:32,960 Yeah, so then he goes on to lead and then. 2098 01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,080 Yeah, exactly. The Oregon harvesting, Yeah. 2099 01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,480 Which some people are like I don't think he's in the Oregon 2100 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:41,000 harvesting ring or like he doesn't know in season when he 2101 01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,760 did find out and he was like, I don't really give a shit with 2102 01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:44,360 like what they do with the organs. 2103 01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,760 Which is weird because I thought that I forgot about that detail. 2104 01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,000 Admittedly that, but I feel like that makes perfect sense. 2105 01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:54,360 These people are garbage, but at least we can get organs that'll 2106 01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:56,600 be valuable to someone else. Yeah, and he has a personal 2107 01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:00,880 story of needing an organ or wanting to buy an organ off the 2108 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,720 black market, possibly to save his wife. 2109 01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:08,600 Missed opportunity I guess. Whether he condones it now or he 2110 01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,720 wants it to end now or looks down on it, or he just tolerates 2111 01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:14,240 it in the happening in the background, that seems like 2112 01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,960 that's all what's happening in Season 2. 2113 01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:18,400 Yeah. So yeah, we're talking about the 2114 01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:24,200 mingle game. We can talk about TOP and how he 2115 01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:31,440 sets off even in 001 and Front Man goes and beats him to a pulp 2116 01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:34,000 right there and it's because he mentioned. 2117 01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:36,480 Save this speech for your kids. Like, yeah. 2118 01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,680 Exactly. And that like set 001 off 2119 01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:43,680 because of course his wife and his unborn child died. 2120 01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:48,000 Extra funny when you consider like the cracks in his facade 2121 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:52,040 are so big because then he doesn't just like punch him like 2122 01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:55,800 he goes and like does a like a Vulcan grip on his neck. 2123 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,800 Yeah, he starts. Wailing punches him in the face, 2124 01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:01,160 like starts chopping up everything like it's it's like, 2125 01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:04,680 oh, he can fight. And I think it was 456's best 2126 01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:08,200 friend was the one who witnessed everything like he he thought 2127 01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,800 the whole thing stunk from the very beginning yeah and then 2128 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,120 he's like, how did he know your name? 2129 01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:15,760 And he's like, oh, and then when they're doing the matchmaking 2130 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,040 game or the merry go round game, whatever, yeah, mingle witnesses 2131 01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:23,000 mingle. He witnesses 001 choke a guy out 2132 01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:25,520 and kill him just so that they don't get eliminated. 2133 01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,360 Yeah. And even within the 2134 01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:31,480 constructive, like, yeah, it was the ferocity, the motivation and 2135 01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:33,400 everything that he did, Like, he didn't even think twice about 2136 01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:36,280 killing this guy. It was like, the biggest red 2137 01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:37,880 flag to him. So. 2138 01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:42,000 But 001 is clever enough not to show his hand because on the 2139 01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,600 next vote, he votes to leave. I don't know. 2140 01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,840 That was it was a good detail. I don't know what they mean by 2141 01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,560 saying that there was no the critic idea that there was no 2142 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,720 meaningful death. Like there was a couple. 2143 01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:56,720 And the structure is just different in this one, right? 2144 01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,000 Like they have someone tipping them off. 2145 01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,760 They have people who are willing to work together. 2146 01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:02,760 There's a faction of people who want to leave. 2147 01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:06,000 Of course there's not going to be as much death. 2148 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,040 They're not experiencing it the same way. 2149 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,760 One last thing I'll say about the mingle game is that TOP and 2150 01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:15,720 his minion were dancing on the rotating platform. 2151 01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:17,080 It took me out. I was so. 2152 01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,640 That's not just any dance. That's apparently the dance for 2153 01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,280 the song that's playing. Yeah. 2154 01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:28,160 So they're do, it's like choreo, like they're doing the the dance 2155 01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:29,720 of this. The song that's like. 2156 01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,360 So we would not get that as a Western audience. 2157 01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:36,120 I've never seen that, no. Some people have commented who I 2158 01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,160 think they're Korean American or they're Koreans on TikTok. 2159 01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:41,080 And they said like this game is you played it as children. 2160 01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:44,560 But it's very easy to be exclusionary and mean as a child 2161 01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,920 and play this game because because you could say you don't 2162 01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:48,200 have to have to call out numbers. 2163 01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:50,480 Basically you could say like everyone wearing bread, like 2164 01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,760 come here, everyone wearing this, everyone who has a dad, 2165 01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,120 come here and he can get really mean. 2166 01:56:56,120 --> 01:57:00,640 Like the kids can be mean playing this game as innocent as 2167 01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,240 the game is. Like, I guess we can be mean too 2168 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:04,720 when we're playing like Red Rovers. 2169 01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:08,560 Red Rover. Red Rover San Miguel over and 2170 01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,200 And if your name doesn't get called like your shit had a log, 2171 01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,720 yeah. It's like me pick last in 2172 01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:17,000 dodgeball but literally instead. Literally getting pick last in 2173 01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,320 dodgeball is a wonderful way to put it too. 2174 01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,840 Love that we come to. They get another meal and it's 2175 01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,400 Kimbop wrapped in foil. Love this. 2176 01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:27,720 OK. I want to point this out that 2177 01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,720 like people don't really get, the western audience wouldn't 2178 01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:36,640 get why having a fork wrapped up in the quembop is a red flag. 2179 01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:40,640 Why would that set off alarm bells in 456 when he looks down 2180 01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,520 at his food and he sees a fork with his quembop? 2181 01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,240 People don't eat quembop with a fork. 2182 01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:49,480 This is like finger food. This would be as if they gave 2183 01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:54,040 them PB and JS and there's a knife in the PB and J sandwich 2184 01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:56,760 when it's already sliced for you in half. 2185 01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:00,520 That is what they did with the Keem Bob. 2186 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,680 They're like, oh, violence is about to happen because they 2187 01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:04,040 just. Gave. 2188 01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:05,680 It's a metal fork. It's a metal fork. 2189 01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:07,440 It wasn't plastic. It was like 'cause. 2190 01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:09,560 Even. Yeah, everything was finger 2191 01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:13,520 foods up until they finally voted or when it was a draw. 2192 01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:15,800 That's the only time they introduced this. 2193 01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,120 So very clever. They put a fork in the Keem Bob 2194 01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:22,600 and they wanted violence and they got it the better to skewer 2195 01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:24,960 each other with and. Iconic prison riot. 2196 01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:31,040 The prison riot Exactly Prison riot season 2 The significance 2197 01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,080 of using chopsticks in Asian cuisine. 2198 01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,920 I just want to point this out. They're like, they don't eat. 2199 01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:39,880 You're normally with forks and knives because of Confucianism. 2200 01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,280 Confucius, who was against violence and disliked pointed 2201 01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,800 objects to be present when eating. 2202 01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:48,200 He was a vegetarian and he believed that sharp utensils at 2203 01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:51,520 the dinner table would remind eaters of the slaughterhouse. 2204 01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,680 He also thought that knives sharp points evoked violence and 2205 01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:57,680 warfare, killing the happy, contented mood that should rain 2206 01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:01,320 during meals. Which is why chopsticks kind of 2207 01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,200 people cook with chopsticks, but now they started to eat with 2208 01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:07,560 chopsticks as well. The very fact that the Asian 2209 01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:11,360 cultures don't tend to use knives or forks in their 2210 01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:16,520 cuisine, It's very alarming when you see the fork in with the 2211 01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,160 Kimba. I just want to like point that 2212 01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:21,280 out. Because the only ones who do 2213 01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:24,760 like are children. That's the other layer to that 2214 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:26,320 is only kids when they're eating. 2215 01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,960 Like you don't learn how to use chopsticks a little bit later. 2216 01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:31,840 So even in the Bento or whatever, it's like the teensy 2217 01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:35,440 tiny, kind of like hordor of fork that you get. 2218 01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:38,400 Yeah, so. And I love the way they reveal 2219 01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:39,720 the fork. Yes. 2220 01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:43,200 When he opens it and it's like this shining, and it's a really 2221 01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:47,240 sharp fork, like the tines are kind of like, cut inward. 2222 01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:49,680 And I'm like, oh, shit. Like they planned it. 2223 01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:51,560 Yeah. Everything is so well 2224 01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:54,200 calculated. I wanted to say that on here 2225 01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:57,640 because I feel like some people might not have had the moment 2226 01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:00,880 when he looks down and sees the fork in the Keem Bob. 2227 02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:05,240 You're just like, oh. Gagged, gagged, Absolutely 2228 02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:06,720 gagged. Because it's just like the look 2229 02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:08,560 of horror on his face when he sees it. 2230 02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,400 He's like, Oh no. Yeah, then there's a rumble in 2231 02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:15,000 the men's bathroom and TOP gets a fork in the neck. 2232 02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,480 Saddest moment in the show. Second saddest? 2233 02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:22,320 Stop it, Stop it, of course. It was that dirt. 2234 02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:23,840 But I mean, they're both terrible, right? 2235 02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:29,280 But man, that that Bitcoin guy, man, I can't right in the neck. 2236 02:00:30,240 --> 02:00:32,680 Right in the jugular. Then the other dude cribs is 2237 02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:36,880 drugs. Yeah, he's like, bummer. 2238 02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:40,400 Let me get that good shit. So I wanted to point this out 2239 02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:43,760 here because I have it in my notes that the Puck you young, 2240 02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:46,640 her character, who's the pink soldier, the North Korean 2241 02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:50,520 defector, she almost gets raped at one point like there was. 2242 02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,280 Oh, that's right. Yeah, like they threatened her 2243 02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,160 with basically rape if she continues to kill people instead 2244 02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:03,080 of leaving a few of the the losers alive for organ 2245 02:01:03,160 --> 02:01:04,760 harvesting. Because they can't remove the 2246 02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:06,840 organs. If they're like, they're dead, 2247 02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,960 there's nothing left. Exactly, I feel like violence 2248 02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:13,960 against women in the show is shown but not addressed in any 2249 02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,240 meaningful way. Right, because they just like 2250 02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:18,840 pin her down. It's very. 2251 02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:20,320 I don't know if you felt any type. 2252 02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:22,880 Of it was deeply uncomfortable. Yeah, I'm just I. 2253 02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:27,000 Already repressed it like I'm. Unsettled in my soul when they 2254 02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:30,000 did this to her and there's literally like no way for her to 2255 02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,240 get out there in a locked room together. 2256 02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:34,440 Terrible. You know, it's because she's 2257 02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:38,440 humane that she keeps just like offing these people instead of 2258 02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:41,880 allowing them to be harvested for organs. 2259 02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:44,560 It's completely unethical. It's disgusting. 2260 02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:47,000 And she's like, well, fuck all that. 2261 02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:49,160 Like the rules say, you kill them, you kill them. 2262 02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:51,560 Yeah, and she made a point to do it. 2263 02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:55,040 She's like, I don't she when she talked to like basically the 2264 02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:56,960 assistant manager, for lack of a better term. 2265 02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:01,080 Yeah, that was interesting. Which that assistant manager was 2266 02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:05,240 in my name, which is another I think Netflix original show, 2267 02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:07,920 which is like very violent. But I remember him from that 2268 02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:11,680 show and he was great so. There you go. 2269 02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:14,640 I I like that she spoke to him directly because he was like, 2270 02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:18,120 oh, I was the one who got you in here and you had nothing. 2271 02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:20,720 You had no one. And she's like, yeah, I don't 2272 02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:23,280 really care what you want. My job is to kill them, and I'm 2273 02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,600 going to kill them. So there you go. 2274 02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:27,320 Because she has nothing left to lose. 2275 02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:32,200 But I don't think that the villains really experienced that 2276 02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:34,640 much. They experienced nothing left to 2277 02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:37,280 lose so that all of these contestants can kill each other. 2278 02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:39,160 But I don't think they have enough people on their team to 2279 02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:41,080 realize, like, that cuts both ways. 2280 02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,640 Like she doesn't give a shit and why should she? 2281 02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:44,800 They hired her to kill these people. 2282 02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:49,320 She's going to kill them, so. And I think the final conundrum 2283 02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:54,760 or moral quandary of the show happens in the last episode or 2284 02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:58,120 so, which is they're going to stage a coup. 2285 02:02:58,720 --> 02:03:00,320 Yes. And try and get into like the 2286 02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:07,320 control room of the games, the moment when 001 front men glocks 2287 02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:11,280 in and asks 456, are you suggesting that we make a small 2288 02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:13,240 sacrifice for the sake of the greater good? 2289 02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:18,400 And 4:56 with his bull chest says if we miss this 2290 02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:20,840 opportunity, the sacrifice will be even greater. 2291 02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,440 And it's like, OK, so the ends justify the means. 2292 02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:27,120 You're going to leave all of these people to get slaughtered 2293 02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:33,080 in the middle of the night with forks while we hide and strike 2294 02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:36,400 after this carnage happens? That's just good strategy 2295 02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,600 though. It's terrible, but it really is 2296 02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:41,280 because it's like there is nothing they're going to be able 2297 02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,240 to do. The people who wanted to 2298 02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:46,120 continue the game were just as bad, if not worse than the 2299 02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:48,720 people running it because they were not going to let up. 2300 02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:50,880 They already, they said everything they needed to say. 2301 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:52,120 Like we have nothing less to lose. 2302 02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:53,640 We're not going to change our minds. 2303 02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:55,560 Like that's it. And they were the ones who 2304 02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:57,240 initiated the attack to begin with. 2305 02:03:57,320 --> 02:03:59,560 So like when you see all that IR footage? 2306 02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:03,640 Of well, he's talking about he's leaving Team X to to fend for 2307 02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:06,600 themselves in the bloodbath. Yeah. 2308 02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:10,240 He's not really talking about Team O, who wants to continue 2309 02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:11,680 the games. He's talking about, oh, you're 2310 02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:15,520 going to leave all of these people in Team X who want to 2311 02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:19,000 leave, who are begging to leave the games to fend for themselves 2312 02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:20,440 because they're going to get slaughtered. 2313 02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:23,040 Well, I mean, got to break a few eggs. 2314 02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:27,680 And that was so you're the quandary isn't so much of A 2315 02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:29,880 quandary for you. You're like great decision. 2316 02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:34,360 I don't think so because I if it means ending the games, because 2317 02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:38,800 I can see how 001 will kind of use that as kind of like, what 2318 02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:41,440 is that not? Yeah, like false equivalency, 2319 02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:42,800 right. It's like, oh, see, we're not 2320 02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:44,680 that different. It's like, no, we kind of are 2321 02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:48,920 because like your end justify the means is we're going to 2322 02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:52,800 throw away people that we deem useless and expendable just for 2323 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:56,240 entertainment. Mine is we're gonna hide out 2324 02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:58,800 because we're not gonna be able to stop them anyway. 2325 02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,480 And then we're gonna stop this game from ever happening. 2326 02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:03,040 Right. So there's like a futility. 2327 02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:05,320 Right, there's a bit of a. Different thing. 2328 02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:05,560 Yeah. OK. 2329 02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:06,800 I see what you're saying. Yeah. 2330 02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:08,800 All right. He's got my vote. 2331 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:11,440 He's got my vote. Also cuz I would have hit and 2332 02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:14,720 even if he wouldn't have told me so by that last night I would 2333 02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:16,400 have been sleeping under the mattress. 2334 02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:21,440 I would have been like. So Kangan Dole, the Marine, 2335 02:05:21,640 --> 02:05:26,520 quote, UN quote, he turns out to be having some sort of trauma 2336 02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:29,840 response to everything that happens, the shooting, the 2337 02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,480 shootout. He doesn't know how to use a 2338 02:05:31,480 --> 02:05:33,360 gun. That threw me. 2339 02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:35,560 When he didn't know how to use a gun, I was like never been a 2340 02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:37,600 Marine in his life. He has never served. 2341 02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:42,320 He maybe got a tattoo overseas or something of the Marines and 2342 02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:46,120 like he is pretending to be a Marine because even if he served 2343 02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:49,320 he would know how. And again this is coming from 2344 02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:52,720 all of the males in Korea have to serve A2 year mandatory 2345 02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:55,760 enlistment. Even if he wasn't a career 2346 02:05:55,760 --> 02:06:01,520 Marine he should have served his two years and he should know how 2347 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:06,360 to load a gun, use a gun. He's a completely clueless, even 2348 02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:11,640 if he'd never used that type of gun before, he should be holding 2349 02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:14,120 the gun a certain way and like all the stuff, let alone he's 2350 02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:17,800 saying he's a Marine. Yeah, like, even the most basic 2351 02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:20,400 Marine can, like, do some damage. 2352 02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:25,800 So like 120 coming back 'cause he he's sent back to get all of 2353 02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:30,080 the like leftover ammo and magazines from the soldiers 2354 02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:33,920 after completely having a nervous breakdown in the hallway 2355 02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:37,280 and just standing there like a sitting duck, which couldn't be 2356 02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:40,120 me, runs back into the room to start collecting these things, 2357 02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:44,240 starts panicking. 120 is like, cover me, I got to go see what's 2358 02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:46,200 holding this guy up and finds him shaking. 2359 02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:49,840 And she looks at him like, OK, like we'll talk about this 2360 02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:52,640 later, give me the ammo and runs back. 2361 02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:55,880 But she recognizes something in him At this point, I don't know 2362 02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:58,600 if you've never been a Marine or maybe you have really violent 2363 02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:03,880 PTSD, but something's wrong. So but you know, just runs back 2364 02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,480 because they need to kill off these pink soldiers. 2365 02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,800 So also 120 taking out the cameras. 2366 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:14,080 Oh my God, Carrying that team, genius, Carrying that team. 2367 02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:17,360 She was strategizing the minute she got in there. 2368 02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:19,720 Yeah, like right off RIP. As soon as she saw things were 2369 02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:22,480 off, she was like, OK, we're going to do this, we're going to 2370 02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:23,720 do it right. Love it. 2371 02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:27,320 Love to see it. I love the final episode. 2372 02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:35,040 I love the final sequence of 456 and his bestie trying to make it 2373 02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:40,440 to the control room and getting pinned down and you know, 001 2374 02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:43,080 front man finally betraying them. 2375 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:45,840 It took long enough, but it took in a good way. 2376 02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:48,040 In a good way. You can see Evie and then it's 2377 02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:49,760 just like fucking over it. Like he's like. 2378 02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,640 Yeah, he's like, it was fun to play pretend over here like 2379 02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:55,400 Marie Antoinette, but we got to get back like and let's just 2380 02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:56,640 like. Let them eat cake. 2381 02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:00,920 And it just goes to show the consequences of playing a hero 2382 02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:03,640 game. And that's what 001 I think says 2383 02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:05,160 to him. And he's like, you were playing 2384 02:08:05,160 --> 02:08:08,160 hero and for what? Yeah, this is the consequences 2385 02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:11,120 of you trying to be a hero. It's like, Oh my God, I'm 2386 02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:12,600 looking forward to the next season. 2387 02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:16,200 So when he takes off that mask, he's like, it was, yeah, that's 2388 02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:19,720 gonna be like a whole moment. Yeah, something that not now 2389 02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:22,560 that we're at the end of the show and we have like that 2390 02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:28,960 little flash card that says 2025 is season 3 coming 2025, we did 2391 02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:32,560 not actually see any of the VIPs in no. 2392 02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:34,240 Thank God, I thought that was really. 2393 02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:36,360 Really. I hated it. 2394 02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:38,640 I hated it. The whole like animal masks, 2395 02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:41,920 human furniture. I think that after three years 2396 02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:46,080 of living with Squid Game, it is I think overdone at this point. 2397 02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:48,960 We are over saturated on Squid Game and then season 2 comes 2398 02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,440 out. Yeah that there was almost no 2399 02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:55,960 need to show the VIPs because you are the VIP. 2400 02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:59,640 Oh, oh, I like that you the. Viewer are the VIP. 2401 02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:01,440 You're like, why aren't there more games? 2402 02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:03,200 Why aren't we seeing this? Why aren't we seeing more 2403 02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:05,400 deaths? I don't care about these people. 2404 02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:11,440 Like, yeah, oh, you're the VIP. Love that I also if that you 2405 02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:15,640 know, if that means not having to hear really really bad 2406 02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:17,000 English. Horrible English. 2407 02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,080 Nobody speaking like they couldn't whatever. 2408 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:23,960 Yeah, who was the most annoying character? 2409 02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:25,480 Shaman. The shaman. 2410 02:09:25,480 --> 02:09:30,040 No no no, I love the shaman. In a weird way I do the most 2411 02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:33,680 annoying character. Oh the the Bitcoin guy. 2412 02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:37,360 Piece of shit floor to ceiling. And it's not even close. 2413 02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:40,960 Floor to ceiling, like just a piece of shit. 2414 02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:45,320 Like even more than 001. Palpably, viscerally a piece of 2415 02:09:45,320 --> 02:09:47,480 shit. Yeah, yeah, him. 2416 02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:49,520 Him. Yeah, just him. 2417 02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:51,560 Everybody else I can live with in some way or another. 2418 02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:53,800 By him specifically. Yeah, and the poor pregnant 2419 02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:56,160 girlfriend also powerful moment in the show. 2420 02:09:56,160 --> 02:09:58,280 The show keeps making a lot of statements in the statement 2421 02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:04,120 about the trans character when she and the Ajima, the old lady 2422 02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:07,920 mom and the pregnant girl all go and use the restroom together. 2423 02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:10,240 The ladies restroom. Iconic. 2424 02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:12,200 You cannot tell me that it's not a clear statement. 2425 02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:14,800 Yeah, very clear. Yeah, very, very clear. 2426 02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,760 And she's like, it's OK. She's a woman. 2427 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:18,240 Like she can come with us. Yeah. 2428 02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:21,400 Yeah, I do love that, Ajima. Like the mom. 2429 02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:24,280 Just please, Mr. Triangle, don't you have a mother? 2430 02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:26,480 Oh my God. Diaper I couldn't bring my 2431 02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:27,320 things. I couldn't. 2432 02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:29,080 And just like mid sentence just opens her. 2433 02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:30,600 Oh, OK, Well, thanks. Yeah. 2434 02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:35,800 I loved it too. More out of annoyance than 2435 02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:37,880 benevolence. I know what Whoever is behind 2436 02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:40,040 that triangle mouse is just rolling their eyes like Jesus 2437 02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:42,280 Christ come. On Shut up, I'll let you go to 2438 02:10:42,280 --> 02:10:43,920 the bathroom. Like enough love that. 2439 02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,120 There are so many theories floating around for what's going 2440 02:10:46,120 --> 02:10:50,240 to happen in season 3 for the mid credits scene as well. 2441 02:10:50,600 --> 02:10:54,280 Do you have any theories? I'll share some that I've seen. 2442 02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:58,960 It threw me really hard to see the red light green light girl 2443 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:01,000 again, just kind of standing there. 2444 02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:04,240 So I got to be honest, I have, I got nothing. 2445 02:11:04,360 --> 02:11:06,840 I got nothing. Because if it's going to be, if 2446 02:11:06,840 --> 02:11:10,400 it's going to be 1/3 full season, that changes things 2447 02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:13,720 because I'm guessing we're going to get like 7 more episodes so. 2448 02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:16,720 Yeah, it'll be 7 to 9 episodes I would say, but. 2449 02:11:16,720 --> 02:11:20,440 What have you got? For theories, theories about the 2450 02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:22,400 next game. So we get the mid credits scene 2451 02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:27,640 where it's a train light thing and we see Chosu, who is the 2452 02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:30,720 little boy mannequin. Yeah, so we'll see. 2453 02:11:31,120 --> 02:11:33,960 First theory is that they're going to play Jack and Joe go up 2454 02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:36,560 a hill to fetch a pail of water. That doesn't make any fucking 2455 02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:38,040 sense to me. I don't, yeah. 2456 02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:40,120 What is it that's not even a game? 2457 02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:41,960 That's not. That's a nursery rhyme. 2458 02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:45,720 That's a nursery rhyme and #2 they're not playing Western 2459 02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:50,320 games, period. I don't know where people 2460 02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:51,880 they're like, they're going to play Jack and Jill. 2461 02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:53,920 I'm like what the fuck? Are you Jack and Jill? 2462 02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:55,600 Like where? Where? 2463 02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:59,320 Ain't no Jack or Jill out there. It's just because the two, the 2464 02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:04,120 boy and the girl animatronic, they are kind of the equivalent 2465 02:12:04,120 --> 02:12:08,040 of a Jack and Jill in Korea. But again, like a Dick and Jane 2466 02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:09,640 type of. Thing Exactly, exactly. 2467 02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:12,520 But I'm like, they're not going to play Jack and Jill go uphill 2468 02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:16,280 with a pile of water #2 I saw people saying it's going to be a 2469 02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:20,200 train dilemma, which I'm like, oh, that's, I like that. 2470 02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:22,080 I like that. Classic. 2471 02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:25,000 Classic number 30 Do you want? Why don't you explain what a 2472 02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,240 train dilemma is? For people, a train dilemma is a 2473 02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:32,800 really classic psych game, basically or scenario where 2474 02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:38,160 basically you're given a moral quandary of like, OK, on there's 2475 02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:41,560 a train coming and it divides among two different tracks. 2476 02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:44,720 You're the one who's going to pull the lever that pulls it to 2477 02:12:44,720 --> 02:12:48,920 one track or the other. So on track A, for example, 2478 02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:53,640 you'll have a group of terminally ill children, and on 2479 02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:56,720 track B, you'll have the most powerful CE OS in the world. 2480 02:12:57,320 --> 02:13:06,440 And your dilemma is who do you? Don't let handsome men do crimes 2481 02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:10,000 stand there. It's up to you to decide. 2482 02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:14,600 Are you going to pull the lever and spare all of these people 2483 02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:17,080 who control all these companies, Or are you going to kill 2484 02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:19,920 terminally ill children who ostensibly don't have a future 2485 02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:22,680 anyway? Or are you going to try to Save 2486 02:13:22,680 --> 02:13:26,800 the Children so that they can at least have a chance at life? 2487 02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:30,360 And that sounds like such an absurd example, but that really 2488 02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:32,360 is that's a. Train You have to choose who 2489 02:13:32,360 --> 02:13:34,320 lives and dies. It's an impossible, it's very 2490 02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:37,400 Sophie's Choice. It's a really brutal like 2491 02:13:37,480 --> 02:13:41,440 there's no winning if you're a moral person on in any way, 2492 02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:44,600 there is no winning either way because ultimately people are 2493 02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:47,320 dying and all the rest of it. So that's the classic train 2494 02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:50,560 dilemma. The other theory is that the 2495 02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:53,960 black and white tiles that are on the wall in the sleeping 2496 02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:56,760 chamber, you know, where they are when they're not playing 2497 02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:59,600 games, suggest that they're going to play maybe trackers or 2498 02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:02,200 chess. And I'm like, again, that's a 2499 02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:05,160 Western game. Every everybody plays chess 2500 02:14:05,160 --> 02:14:06,560 though. Not checkers, but. 2501 02:14:06,640 --> 02:14:09,960 Yeah, but again, these are like games from the 70s, eighties, 2502 02:14:09,960 --> 02:14:13,880 90s in Korea. I also, I'm a little sceptical 2503 02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:15,800 about that. Some people also suggested that 2504 02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:17,400 it could be another black and white game. 2505 02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:21,680 It's Go, you know, game with a little white and black tiles. 2506 02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:23,600 Yeah. A lot of theories around that, 2507 02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:25,120 there's theories around who dies. 2508 02:14:26,120 --> 02:14:29,320 The first theory is that there are crosses. 2509 02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:32,600 A lot of iconography, I would say in the season deals with 2510 02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:35,960 crosses. And so in certain frames, you 2511 02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:41,080 can see there's a cross in behind 456 or a cross behind 2512 02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:44,200 front man 001. And they're saying, oh, they're 2513 02:14:44,200 --> 02:14:49,440 going to die because they have a cross nearby them or upside down 2514 02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:54,840 crosses in the design of the voting booth as well, which what 2515 02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:57,600 does that say about the voting process and this like fake 2516 02:14:57,600 --> 02:14:59,480 democracy that they have going on here? 2517 02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:02,840 Will 001 in front man die? I don't know. 2518 02:15:02,920 --> 02:15:06,120 We'll see. Another theory is that, and I 2519 02:15:06,120 --> 02:15:10,760 like this one, the tunnels beneath the island which you see 2520 02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:14,080 in season 1 and it's explained that these tunnels are for the 2521 02:15:14,080 --> 02:15:16,880 VIPs to escape and it's all rigged with explosives to 2522 02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,680 destroy the island and any evidence that it existed in the 2523 02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:23,840 games. We at June will evacuate the 2524 02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:29,480 players through the tunnels and then blow the whole island or #2 2525 02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:31,240 which this is a very elaborate theory. 2526 02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:32,760 And I was like, wow, I have to say this one. 2527 02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:39,280 Number two, even then, 001 slash frontman will threaten 456 with 2528 02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:46,080 his daughter's life, so that 456 will assume the role of the new 2529 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:50,560 frontman and will be completely enslaved by the games. 2530 02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:54,920 I can kind of see that, but then I can also see him just taking 2531 02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:58,040 himself and everybody out by detonating everything. 2532 02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:02,000 So I hope it doesn't go beyond Season 3 because I think at this 2533 02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:04,200 point like no season. 3 is the final season. 2534 02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:07,680 OK, I think, I don't think that there's any angle where this 2535 02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:10,520 game survives. I don't, I really don't. 2536 02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:13,960 I think that they're really just gonna like nuke it out and just 2537 02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:16,240 end it. Because here's the thing, all of 2538 02:16:16,240 --> 02:16:18,920 the VIP are international, right? 2539 02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:21,200 Like, we don't know exactly who they are, but these people are 2540 02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:24,720 powerful and they're rich and they're global, so who's to say 2541 02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:27,000 this is the only Squid Game? It can't be. 2542 02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:29,000 It can't be. Maybe they'll be a reveal kind 2543 02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:33,559 of like, well, it's a spoiler for that show, but maybe, maybe 2544 02:16:33,559 --> 02:16:36,280 they'll be a reveal like, oh, this is just going on everywhere 2545 02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:37,799 else, too. Exactly. 2546 02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:40,360 Yeah. Or they, you know, kill Squid 2547 02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:43,080 Games in Korea. But then there's Squid Games 2548 02:16:43,080 --> 02:16:46,400 happening in in other places. I fully believe there's a real 2549 02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:47,920 Squid Game, but we're not getting into that. 2550 02:16:49,639 --> 02:16:51,760 I have no trouble believing. You're like, I don't know if 2551 02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:55,400 this is a conspiracy or not, but I think there's. 2552 02:16:55,520 --> 02:17:01,520 It makes perfect sense to me. So those are some theories that 2553 02:17:01,520 --> 02:17:05,120 I wanted to share. We're at the tail end of this 2554 02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:06,959 episode. One thing that I really liked 2555 02:17:06,959 --> 02:17:10,160 about the show was that it is a real journey. 2556 02:17:10,280 --> 02:17:16,120 You know for 456, right? He was so innocent, so naive, so 2557 02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:23,040 happy go lucky and and smiling and much happier in season 1 and 2558 02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:24,879 he. Even his picture that became a 2559 02:17:24,879 --> 02:17:26,120 meme of just like, yeah, yeah, I. 2560 02:17:28,400 --> 02:17:30,400 Know. And then in Season 2, he's just 2561 02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:36,040 completely downtrodden, guilty and depressed and really haunted 2562 02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:40,160 by the choices that he did or did not make while playing Squid 2563 02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,520 Game. They did a good job with the 2564 02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:44,600 makeup too. Like it's not just the passage 2565 02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:46,959 of time. He looks visibly older and like 2566 02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:50,639 beat down in this new season. No offense to the actor, but 2567 02:17:51,240 --> 02:17:52,360 it's like it's only been three years. 2568 02:17:52,360 --> 02:17:54,840 You shouldn't look that much he. Looks really correct. 2569 02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:57,799 That's a man who lost sleep. I'm here for it. 2570 02:17:58,360 --> 02:17:59,480 I'm here for it. Yeah. 2571 02:17:59,879 --> 02:18:02,200 Seeing the game leader in the trenches I thought was really 2572 02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:06,240 refreshing, if not a little bit annoying that he didn't 2573 02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:10,360 immediately 456 and immediately pluck out to be suspect of 2574 02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:13,000 anybody who would have been 001. Crazy. 2575 02:18:13,559 --> 02:18:17,240 It's just unacceptable because you think he'd have all his 2576 02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:21,080 faculties and be more street smart after season 1. 2577 02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:27,520 Yeah, and I don't know, I guess my main stray observation of all 2578 02:18:27,520 --> 02:18:30,719 of this was that I don't normally like sequels in 2579 02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:34,360 general, like they and they very rarely work out, but I really 2580 02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:36,639 love that they did. I think they did an amazing job. 2581 02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:40,200 I think that we have analogs for characters from season 1. 2582 02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:42,520 And yeah, I can. I can see why. 2583 02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:46,520 The pseudo like sapphic romance of the first one between the 2584 02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:50,440 North Korean girl and the other girl, the you know, you got Ali 2585 02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:51,879 fighting for his life, you got all this stuff. 2586 02:18:51,879 --> 02:18:55,440 I could see why anybody who was interested in that tone wouldn't 2587 02:18:55,440 --> 02:18:58,360 really resonate with this, but we needed to move away from 2588 02:18:58,360 --> 02:19:00,520 that. There's no way this season would 2589 02:19:00,520 --> 02:19:03,959 have been the same way. If you have somebody who's 2590 02:19:03,959 --> 02:19:07,600 trying to warn them every step of the way and trying to kind of 2591 02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:10,760 like bring consciousness into them, for all intents and 2592 02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:14,200 purposes, everybody who goes into this game gets locked in 2593 02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:17,320 and can't even remember what life was like outside of it. 2594 02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:20,160 So you have this person haranguing them the entire way. 2595 02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:21,680 Like, hey, it doesn't have to be like this. 2596 02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:24,959 We can leave everything. I love the direction of the 2597 02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:27,840 second season I see and I'm just really looking forward to the 2598 02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:29,760 third season. Nice all. 2599 02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:32,000 Right. Well, that's it. 2600 02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:33,719 We've kept you guys here long enough. 2601 02:19:33,719 --> 02:19:35,320 We've said our piece about Season 2. 2602 02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:37,719 We'd love to hear from you guys. You know where to find us. 2603 02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:39,520 Miguel, do you want them to contact you? 2604 02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:43,320 If you want to, I'm here. Like, tag me in the thing and 2605 02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:44,760 I'll be here. Fight me. 2606 02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:48,480 Fight me, OK? I'll link resources for how to 2607 02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:50,520 help TOP and everyone else involved. 2608 02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:53,720 OK, Yeah. All right. 2609 02:19:53,720 --> 02:19:55,640 We're gonna get out of here. That's been our show. 2610 02:19:55,640 --> 02:19:58,600 Thank you for being here, Miguel, once again. 2611 02:19:58,600 --> 02:20:01,160 And hopefully we'll have you back really soon, but that's 2612 02:20:01,160 --> 02:20:03,480 been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been 2613 02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:05,200 the Tiba K Rambles podcast.