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What's happening? BT unleashed on a Friday.
It is a no rules Friday. And I say that and we all know
that there's really not many rules on the show anyway, but
what's going on? Got a big show for you.
Got a big weekend coming up a little closer to the start of
the baseball season, closer to March Madness.
All right, so before we jump in there, I guess we've got
something new today that J Rod mentioned yesterday on the show
and and what is it unleashed comments of the week there, J
Rod? Yeah, you.
Know I just I wanted to go through give back to the fans,
find the stuff that I honestly, I thought it was the funniest
just because like like while I'm reading through the comments,
even some of the live chats, I'll just like screenshot them
while I'm watching just because I think they're hilarious.
Some of them. So yeah.
I compiled 4 of the comments I thought were the funniest for
this week. Just did a quick peruse through
this morning and then Hello, Gander.
Exactly. The next week we'll have a, you
know, we'll have a more fleshed out list.
We'll, we'll really have a a teen eye on everything.
I like it. So a little digital window shop.
It is what you're saying, right? You're doing a little perusing.
OK, so good. So J Rod will pop that in a bit.
Obviously it's a Friday. As I said, no rules Friday.
And every Friday, I've got to get a sense of of what Mr. J
Rod's weekend's going to entail as as I live a little
vicariously through him. Although I got, I got to be
honest with you, I don't know, man.
When I was in my early 20s, my, my Fridays and Saturdays were a
whole hell of a lot more exciting than what he's been
bringing to the table so far. I mean, come on, man.
Yeah, I'm going. On step it up.
Yeah, I mean. I I listen to a rave to make up
for it or something like that. You know, I never went to a
rave. That's what I was never.
Into no it's name. Nah, man, that that wasn't.
I was more of a bar guy growing up.
Like, I wanted to be able to have conversations.
Like, I'm not saying I never went to a couple of places, like
with the music, you know, wacky lights and stuff, but not
necessarily a rave, per SE. Yeah.
But you know, listen, the BT in his early 20s was a pretty
interesting dude. So a little different approach
than my Guy J Rod. All right, a little a couple of
housekeeping notes here before we get into the show now.
Coming up on Monday. Can't wait for this.
The timing is going to be absolutely phenomenal.
St. John's head coach Rick Pitino
will join us here on Unleash. That's right, Rick in the house.
The architect. I mean, let's be honest, man,
the savior. You talk about a, a restoration
of a brand that was once platinum that just faded into
obscurity and really oblivion. And Rick is just incredible.
Listen, the thing about Rick, he just doesn't give a shit about
what he's going to say at this point.
He says things, whatever comes to his mind, he says whether
it's a press conference, whether it's me with the Red Storm
report. So, so Rick's going to join us
Monday at 2:00. I'm going to have Don the Greca
on. I've got to confirm that up, but
it looks like Donnie's going to join us at some point next week
as well. Funny thing about Rick, you can
get that down, Jay. Funny thing about Rick, it's
it's hysteric. I'll take you behind the curtain
for a SEC and then I want to let you know something else about
some more content that's going to drop over the weekend.
So every it's either a Wednesday or Thursday that airs every
Friday and Saturday on MSG. It's called the Red Storm.
I've done it for probably 15 or 16 years at this point with
basically every single St. John's head coach going back to
Lavin Norm before that, of course, Mulley, Mike Anderson
and the last couple years with Rick.
And it's on every Friday and Saturday various times on MSG,
right? And the funniest thing and most
now Mullen said whatever he wanted as well.
Most of the coaches were really guarded, you know, like they
wouldn't divulge a whole lot and they really would never get into
specific issues with the school. If I would bring something up
about recruiting budgets, whatever, I don't really need to
go to into the weeds on that. But The funny thing about Rick
and you, you, you have to be in my seat to actually see this.
So we recorded the show on Wednesday of this week, right?
And we're in the locker room. We've got a couple of stools and
they make it look really nice. And it's, it's, it's really good
presentation. They do a great job.
So it looks really clean and fresh on MSG and you see me and
Rick on camera. What you don't see is like
multiple PR people, multiple people that, that I've worked
with for a long time, Libby and Mike, they're absolutely
fantastic. They're doing all the
production, the filming and all that stuff.
And I swear at least once a show, meaning once a week, Rick
will just start saying stuff like, you know, he'll, he'll say
something about, about maybe the school, like, you know, listen,
the school didn't know how to do anything before I got here.
Like he just goes on these honest riffs about, you know,
where the school was and it it's it's amazing to listen to
because he's incredibly candid. And, you know, for my money, I
think Rick's the greatest coach in the history.
College basketball. I've said that it's obviously
debatable. You coach case you wouldn't
whatever. But Rick will be here on Monday
on on leash. Can't wait. 2:00 PM.
The other thing, I'm going to drop this on Sunday and then I
want to jump into the show. So this is coming up on Sunday.
My all time Big East team. I've told you guys about this
and it was not easy to get this out there.
J Rod, get the graphic up there. I worked so hard on this graphic
popping up there. Let's go.
Where's the biggies graphic? J Ry here he is.
Maybe he maybe he felt the pressure.
He's making different plans for tonight.
He's like BT's calling me out for my boring Friday nights.
Maybe he's doing something different.
Little slow on that. J Rod.
So that's going to be that and that'll drop on Sunday at six.
So I'm going to have my starting five.
I'm going to fill it out with the reserves.
And I even told you yesterday or the day before that I have a, a,
a, a list of 10 honorable mentions as well.
So it is all-encompassing from the time the Big East was born
back in 79 up until modern day. I can't wait to drop it.
And obviously it's going to coincide with the start of the
Big East tournament, which is really my favorite week of the
of the year. Now, I will say I do vacillate
on this a little bit like when you can get it down, Jay.
Thanks, buddy. That's going to drop on Sunday.
When you ask me, and I've been asked this a lot, like, you
know, hey, what's your favorite sport to talk about?
What's your favorite sport to cover?
What's your favorite sport to bet?
What's your favorite sport to watch all that stuff.
And and really an extension of that.
What is your favorite season of the year pertaining to the
sporting calendar? And reflexively I and I, and I
mean this, right, I always say right about now, right about
now, you know, couple of days from now, obviously, because
when you get to the Big East tournament, to me, that
represents so much for me, the energy inside the building.
And I loved it as a kid, never went as a kid, watched it like
a, like a lunatic. Obviously, I've, I've, I've been
doing Big East tournaments now for basically 20 + 2122 years.
So the energy in the building is just unlike anything else.
And all the other fan bases coming in and all the bars are
packed. And you could just like when I
parked my car and I walked to the Garden about a block or so
away. I mean, you look at any bar,
there's Creighton fans, there's Villanova fans, there's
obviously St. John's fans sucking down Bloody
Marys. I mean, they already.
And it just has such a, a palpable energy that even, you
know, even in it's heyday, like with Coach K and Duke, nothing
touches the Big East tournament. And the reason why I love it is,
is obviously the energy itself and the games itself.
But to me, it's a runway to all right, the weather starting to
change, baseball's around the corner.
We got the Masters coming up in April and then here we go and
the NFL draft and we can do a lot of stuff with the NFL draft
here on the show, obviously on our leash.
And and that generally is my reflexive answer.
So what's your favorite time of the year?
It's pretty much now I will say that like when we get to in
September and certainly October now it's diminished by the fact
that The Jets and the Giants are are always dead by Halloween.
But but I'm obviously a massive NFL fan all-encompassing.
So that's a close second. And then obviously the
postseason, the World Series, but we are at a great time.
It's awesome. We're going to hit 18,000 Subs
possibly by today, certainly by the weekend.
So all is good. Business is good.
You guys have been great. Let's get to the show now.
So I don't know if you guys caught this the other day.
It was kind of a smaller story and it was kind of thrown in
there amongst some other stuff, whether it was the digs, the
digs move or some NFL trades or quarterback talk or WBC,
whatever it might be, right? And that is the the very real
reality of these knucklehead dopes and that's all they are.
I mean, I, I would I would go even lower than that.
But like I've always said, I don't just, I don't just drop F
bombs gratuitously on the show. I'm I'm going to, I'm going to
save it for when it's really with merit, whether it's to
punctuate the story that's funny or when I'm legitimately pissed.
The NCAA has driven me nuts forever.
They are a bunch of adults. They are just dumb and bad at
their job and they've been bad at their job for a long time.
Quick Side Story. So I guess it would have been, I
think it was 2003, 2003, 2004 season, which was my first year
doing St. John's games.
J Rod, you're going to love this as a Syracuse, as a Syracuse
grad, as a big Big East fan, as a big fan of the AA.
So anyway, St. John's is is at Georgia Tech and
it was like a early non conference matchup and St.
John's got drilled. Of course they were horrible.
That was Jarvis got fired like 2 weeks after that and I think St.
John's was 6 and 24. My that was my first year my so
you better believe I appreciate this with Rick.
Anyway, I'm having a conversation with a bunch of
Georgia Tech people before the game.
I I forget their names. I I that was the only
conversation I had and they were talking and they were presenting
to me what they thought was going to be this seismic shift
in in college sports. And they're telling me how
again, this is 2003 is a long time ago.
And they're telling me how the conference, a lot realignments
going to change and everything's going to be about football
money. And me as a very naive young
broadcaster, I'm like, there's no way they're going to mess
with with this perfect ingredient.
We get what we're good. You know, you can't touch the
college basketball. There's no way that they're
going to sacrifice like the Big East Basketball Conference to
satisfy certain teams economic quests, you know, like Syracuse
and some other teams for football.
And obviously West Virginia left and some others as well.
And I just wasn't hearing it. I didn't believe it.
I didn't buy it. I didn't want to believe it and
I didn't want to buy it. So it was emotional, but also
pragmatic. I'm sitting there saying there's
no way, there's no way they're going to do that.
So that's when the seed for me was first planted.
That all right, even though I didn't buy it in real time.
Shortly thereafter, more conversations a couple of years
deeper into it and then here we are.
I mean, you've got you've got USC in, in the Big 10.
The PAC 12 has been dissolved. I listen, I do college sports
for a living. I, if I had a gun to my head and
I had to nail like 85%, maybe I could do 85%.
But I promise you I would not be able to identify all of the,
even some of the big teams, like what conference they're in.
Like I just, I don't care. And quite frankly, when
everything was going on, I really didn't jump too much into
it because I was so dissatisfied with the direction of college
sports. Now, listen, the NIL is
separate, the transfer portal separate.
I, I do think that the portal's a big problem.
I, I, I would like to see some sort of, you know, something
implemented where, yeah, you can bounce around and you can
transfer, but when you get X amount of NIL money, you've got
to at least commit two years to a school unless that coach
leaves, right? It's just too volatile.
I don't even know all the rosters.
Like there was a point where where I would show up at the
Garden for a Big East game, St. John's against Notre Dame, St.
John's against Syracuse, you name any team that used to be in
the conference, I knew every player on the roster or of the
opposing teams, at least their first eight players and maybe a
ninth. I'm not saying I knew all the
walk ONS, but even me doing this as as part of my profession, I,
I don't, I don't know all these players.
I've got to write them down. I've got to do research and, and
it's fine. It's part of the job.
It's all good. I'm not complaining, but college
sports has largely become unrecognizable.
It really has. I mean, and I'm not here to shit
all over it because nobody wants to really hear that.
It's it's there if you want it. There's elements I still love.
There's elements that I absolutely detest, right?
And I think it's only going to get worse.
But the one thing that they connect, they, they, they, they
can't touch, that they can't change, which these idiots are
about to change and touch is the NCAA tournament, the NCAA March
Madness. You know, Dickie V Serendipity,
baby, that you know, Selection Sunday, right, you know,
following websites for those couple of teams that really are
on the bubble that, you know, their resume that you truly care
about. Well, let's get this graphic up
there. I just want to I just want to
show you some of the the timeline here for the NCAA
tournament. Then I want to say what they're
actually cooking up and what they're thinking about doing,
which is absolutely, we are right there.
J Rod. Yeah, we're all right.
Which are you talking to? Mike K Which one?
I just shefsky then I sent you the Maybe I did.
Maybe that's all. I didn't send it to you.
OK, that's that's my fault. Well, I've got it written down
anyway. So you go back to the NCAA
tournament, right, So you got to be able to own it when you make
a mistake. Some people who do what I do for
a living, we try to pass the buck on on on on on the young
rising star J Rod and you know he'd probably take one for the
team because he's a good guy. That's not what we do here.
Only on on unleashed. When I mess up, I would say that
I mess up. I honestly thought that I say it
sucks because the graphic is so good.
Well, I got to double check here because not that I don't believe
you all. I got it now I got to go to my
phone. Let me go to J Rod here.
All right, I sent them. I sent them the coach K Cut.
I sent him the Patino thing. I sent him the Shack top ten,
which we'll do it a little bit. I did not send it to you.
That is my fault. So anyway, the NCAA tournament
started back in 1939 back in the day and Oregon won the
championship. Whatever.
Now really I certain snapshots like NC State coach Valvano,
that was what, 8283? I don't really remember watching
that. I was a little bit too young.
Obviously, when St. John's got to the Final Four
back in 85 and there were three Big East teams, it was St.
John's, Villanova with Rollie and of course John Thompson,
Patrick doing Georgetown and Memphis State was the other one
with Keith Lee. Anyway, I was all into that,
right? So in 85, that's when it
expanded to 64 teams, which is what we had up until 2011 or so,
when they expanded to 68. Now I want to go back to 1975
for a minute. That's when the at large bids
were awarded, meaning it wasn't just conference winners.
They had whatever back then, whatever mathematical.
I mean, it was probably guys just doing favors for each
other. Oh, you're on the committee.
All right, let's put this team in because the the, the like now
you can legitimately prove or disprove or at least argue from
an analytical perspective, whether it's net ranking and
other other, you know, advanced numbers that this team got
screwed, this team didn't whatever.
But in 75, that's when the at large bids began to come.
And it's crazy because, and I didn't even know this because I
was just too young before 85, right?
The the pool of teams that were actually in the NCAA tournament,
it varied from as few as eight teams, which obviously was in
1984, you know, way, way before that, to 53, depending upon
whatever, you know, they used. OK, now the latest proposal
here. And when I say proposal,
generally a proposal is something that is still up for
debate and you know, you're going to hear it out and there's
a chance it might pass. There's a chance it might get
shot down. I'm telling you right now, there
is no doubt that the NCAA tournament is going to expand.
There's no question about it. And right now the the only thing
that that I really believe that they're debating, is it going to
be 72 teams or is it going to be 7016?
So and it's going to happen, I believe leave as early as next
year. So I think in a lot of ways this
will be the even though it was, you know, expanded with it the
first four like that. I'm come on the 1st 4.
What are we doing? I and I've been to Dayton, OH,
St. John's played one of the first
four there back in the day. And it's, it's really a cool
venue. It's a great, it's a great
arena. You really feel like you're
walking into the 50s and the 60s and the really, a lot of
history. I really enjoyed it.
But the first four and I'm and I'm happy for these young men
that get that get to go. But do you really need the 1st
4? You really don't.
Anyway, this is going to happen, I believe next year.
OK, so again, these idiots are proposing an expansion now and
I'm going to get to Coach K. Not yet, but Coach K has been on
the record as as vehemently opposing this, and he's 100%
right. Here's what I don't get.
If you're going to expand the NCAA tournament, what you're
doing, and they're going to, you're just further invalidating
the regular season. Does anybody care about the NCAA
basketball regular season the way you once did?
Nobody cares. And again, I'm connected to the
Big East. I love St.
John's. I've done it for a long time.
If I see Duke or a Houston or even a UNC or Florida or some of
these other, you know, I'll always watch.
You know, Tom Izzo, if I pass through, the game is on.
I love Izzy over at Michigan State, you know, some of these
other Arizona, a couple of powers out West.
If Gonzaga is on, they're not quite what they were, but I've
got a lot of respect for Mark Few.
There's certain teams. I'm not saying I watch the whole
game, but if I'm buzzing through channels because I love college
basketball, I'll stick with the game for a little bit.
I'll watch it. But here's here's here's the
idiocy of this. This is why it's so stupid.
So really what they're thinking about doing and why they're
doing this, it's obviously a money grab.
Clearly more teams equals more games.
That's the that's the basic answer, which bothers me
inherently because now greed continues to win out.
But think about this. I went and I looked on Leonardi.
He's really good. It's not always right, but his
percentage is pretty money, right?
And Leonardi's first 4 out right now, Auburn, San Diego State,
the VCU and Virginia Tech. Has anybody in the chat watching
live, watching this later when it's out there and you just
watch the replay on YouTube? Has anybody, unless you're a
graduate or fan of Auburn, San Diego State, VCU or Virginia
Tech or you went to the school that played them, Has anybody
played it? Seen the second of those games?
The only one I saw was Auburn because they played St.
John's this year. And then you get to the and this
is problematic because then you get to the next 4 out.
Now if we're in 2027 instead of 2026, well, Auburn, the Aztecs,
BCU, Virginia Tech, they're in, but so too would be the next 4
out as per Lonardi, USC, Cal, West Virginia and Cincinnati.
Now I went back and I looked at US CS resume USC right now and I
know it's a good conference and I know Michigan's tremendous and
they've got is very top heavy, right?
But right now USC is 11th, 11th in the Big 10 standings.
So next year, if this were next year, you're going to have a
team that has had all of baseball, the end of October,
all the NN December, January, February and early into March to
distinguish themselves as a team that earns it, that deserves a
bid and a place in the field of now 68.
You're going to make a case for this team to get their ticket
punched. Why?
Who the hell wants to see USC play?
Unless you went to USC. It's ridiculous.
There's 7 and 12 in the conference.
As I said, they're they're their and and their net ranking and
which matters. And I'm not going to bore you
really, if you're if you're into it, you're into it and you know
about it. But if not, just take understand
this like the net ranking really does matter.
It's basically hybrid of a of a ton of, of different analytics
and numbers. And then they put it in a
blender, they come up with a number and basically if you're
below a certain line of demarcation, you're deemed
historically, you know, not worthy of an NCAA bid.
And they obviously use that for seating purposes as well.
Right now, USC is 68. In the net ranking.
So if this were next year instead of 2026, we would have a
team that's basically touching 70, which stinks as a net
ranking and is in eleven place in a power conference and is 7
and 12 in that conference, and that team's going dancing.
What in the world are you doing? You're stripping away at the one
thing that no matter how messed up we get as a sporting world,
it's almost the easiest thing not to mess up.
Everybody's got their brackets, everybody's going to get bet
money on all these games. Everybody's going to watch
Selection Sunday. Who gives a damn about this?
And, and I remember doing this for a while when I was on 1050
back in the day, I did a lot of weekend shows, right.
And it's like before Stephen A when I first started there, so
like O3O4 and I would get on the air, do Saturday, Sunday, do
some stuff during the week as well.
And I get on Sunday of Selection Sunday.
And I did, I think I was on for like 1010 to 1, something like
that. And I would do all this
ridiculous diligent work on on bubble teams and then, you know,
whatever. And then like when I come in on
Monday, all this team got chanted, this team got screwed.
This team got screwed. After a while, I'm sitting there
saying, what are you doing wasting anybody's time, let
alone yours? Why, why, Why in the world
outside of money are we going to just lift up the velvet rope for
one of the best traditions, if not the number one tradition in
all of sport pro and or college combined and expanded and water
it down and further homogenize it and weaken it just to make
money die. So I know the answer.
It's just about money because there's nothing else that can
validate expansion. You're not getting better teams
in, you're not getting better competition in.
And really, So what you what you are doing.
And again, put money aside because that's the main
motivation. We all know that.
But what you're really doing is, and this is, this is really
important, you are just further invalidating the regular season.
So you doing. And I know because I know how I
feel. Outside of St.
John's in the Big East, the regular season simply doesn't
mean that much anymore. So you're creating more of a
wiggle room and more, you know, more of a runway to recover from
shitty starts. Hey, I mean, come on.
This, to me, is emblematic of the trophy culture.
All right, Little Joey, you finish in fourth place.
Here's a medal. Hey, Timmy, good job, man.
All right. Yo, here's a ring.
You finished in 7th place. Oh, you know, Anthony,
outstanding season. Here's a certificate for
finishing 7th place in rec T-ball or rec baseball or rec
basketball. What are we doing?
What I I this really bothers me. I'm not going to spend those
show on this because I don't know how much it really matters
to you, but I just think it's utterly unnecessary and really
reflective and emblematic of what's wrong with these idiots
that run the NCAA tournament. They are so stupid and I don't
really use that word very often, but they are selfish and they
are stupid. They really are.
What's going on there? What is that?
How do you say that Twitter handle there?
J Rod, How do you? Go like Jay own Yeah, that's
like they own like Jay N like Jay N 5636.
Jaome kind of like Jane or we'll go something like that. 5636
months out there, buddy. BT sending love from Texas.
Massive shout out from Texas. My wife is from Dallas.
You know that a lot of love for Texas going to the WBC today.
Very good. Let's go Team USA.
That is a jury. I haven't gotten a jersey in a
while. Those team USAWBC white jerseys
are fresh. Man.
I might have to get my hands on one of those.
I really might have to. Huge WFAN fan since the 90s
turned your podcast into an into an empire.
That's the goal. How do you say that one boy
we're getting hit with? Give him a little more love than
that. He threw a super chat up there
buddy. We can't treat them the same
way. NYC, Istanbul Connect.
All right, that's actually pretty easy.
There you go. NYC and Istanbul connect.
Thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, we're all fans of
WFN going back to its inception in 87 for me.
And that is the that is the goal.
That is the absolute goal. That is the stated mission of BT
Unleashed. Not to, you know, just carve out
a little tiny existence or, you know, make a little dent in the
space. The goal is to to take over.
That's the stated goal. The stated goal is to turn this,
you know, you want to use the word empire, That's fine.
I use the word monster. It it is that is my every waking
moment. I, and I've said this before,
and I'm not looking for pity and I'm not looking for points
because this is what you do when you start a new business.
You literally deal with every single aspect, the sales
aspects, the graphics and all things I never had to do with
WFAN or any other stations I was on in my entire 20 plus year
career, You know, across the country, local, national, drive
time, you name it, I've done it. TV shows, now that was just show
up, be prepared, do your job and call it a day.
But now I what I've really found the easiest part of this show, J
Rod is ironically doing the show.
You know, once I come, once I come up with the content.
And again, for the most part, I'd say out of every 10 shows, 9
I know exactly how we're leading.
I know what the secondary story is.
I know where we're going, but all the others that, you know,
coordination with you throughout the day, you do a great job
cutting up the shorts. I upload them to my Instagram
account. I mean, constant messages and
about the technology, the cameras, the lighting, the
backdrop. I mean, it is non-stop.
I mean, the sales. My wife is selling everything.
We have more talks about sales than we do about the kids, you
know, for the last couple of weeks here.
It's insane dude, but yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's
that's the reality of starting one of these channels up is you
just realize the the amount of possibility because you know the
possibilities are limitless and therefore like your mind just
runs so wherever it can go. Yes, yes, yes.
And, and it was really, really awesome to get Michael on the
show. The numbers were great.
You couldn't wait to see Michael.
It was a fantastic conversation. That was just money.
We're going to get Rick on. As I said, Rick Pitino is going
to be on Monday at 2:00 PM here on Unleash.
And, you know, I was thinking that maybe we push it back, but
at that point, the way the way it works is going to be wrapped
up in the Big East tournament. The last thing he's wanted to,
even though I know him pretty well, then he's been very good
to me. I don't want to bother him.
And then obviously once Selection Sunday drops, it's
micro scouting because you could be like last year they they
played this team Omaha that I I had never seen play a singles.
I think it may have been their first NCAA tournament appearance
ever. So you got to get the film, you
got to scour. They said, who's the shooters?
What do they do? What style?
How do we counterbalance that? I mean, it's, they are, they're
locked in their offices collectively as a staff and as a
team, you know, night and day. So I just want to give them
their, I'll travel with them and I'll be at as far as they go.
I mean, if they go to the final four, I'll be there.
So I'll be giving some great content on the road travelling
with St. John's.
But Rick, Rick, Rick is Monday. I, I'm really trying to get
Donnie on Tuesday. That's the goal there.
But The funny thing is, as you talk about building out the
channel, building out the show, the interviews, I should say,
the conversation will be a very big part of it.
And I thought about this J Rod. So I've given J Rod a lot of
homework. He's got to watch the Requiem
for a Big E 30 for 30. You know, I gave him a nice
assignment last weekend and he did come through.
He watched the Warriors from 1979 get a little, you know,
1970s New York City grid on this.
This young man's cinematic definitely need.
That. You, you, you loved it.
You talked about it. Well, we got to get you to watch
Carlito's Way with Pacino. One.
Yep, yesterday. OK, OK.
You have seen the Bronx Tale, by the way, with De Niro, right?
Oh no. Oh God.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Forgive me, I know that's a rough one.
That's a rough one. I mean, I don't know if that's
recoverable, man, but I'm going to still tell you to watch
Carlito's way before Bronx Tale. I'm going to tell you to do like
so that don't work. We'll get to Bronx Tale at a
different point. Anyway.
The other assignment in addition to getting me on Joe Rogan show
or Joe on this show. And listen, I've started
plotting. Oh, I've got a ski.
I mean, I, I read one of the comments and, and he, he does
have it. It's, you know, I, I think it's
gonna be a, it's gonna be a conversation on the, on the
changing landscape of sports media 100% like that.
That's probably what it would end up being a discussion on.
Obviously he's a guy who like was part of the, you know,
changing of the formats in terms of like audio and listening.
So I feel like that would definitely coincide with like
your pivot just now with streaming sort of podcast thing
and also just talking about maybe the the future of sports
broadcasting, stuff like that. So that would be my thought on
the angle you attack it. From I got a question for you,
by the way, very creative angle. I like it.
So not only are you in pursuit of that, but you have a direct,
clear and concise lane. That's smart.
I think that could work. So let me ask you the
hypothetical. And as I discussed yesterday,
I'm not a big fan of hypotheticals because as I drove
Sister Connie nuts, I need direct answers with religion.
I need answers. I need confirmation with certain
things. I mean certain things, you have
to take a leap of faith, which with which I do.
That was part of yesterday's the hypothetically speaking, let's
say that I was on Joe Show Monday.
Just say and which I, which I know I'm not going to be and
let's say by Monday we'll get to 18,000 Subs today.
Let let's just say we had a big weekend.
We get to 20,000 Subs. I literally 20 comma 00 zero
20,000 on the button. I go on Rogan show on Monday
late the next day. Where do you think we are at
Subs wise? What do you what do you think
that jumps to with Joe just by being on the?
Show I mean. Or a week.
I mean, whatever. No, my guess would be all right.
Within a week, you'd probably be at 100.
Yeah, Yeah, I think you'd probably get like a cake of
102100K right you. Shitting me.
You think more or less. I was thinking less, but I mean
maybe you're right of it is reaches.
No, I think, yeah, I think, wow. You would off the.
Because depending on the amount of of listeners I think you get
a kick. I'd say it'd be like 70 to 100K.
Wow, make it happen, dude. That's a big, that's a big raise
for you. That's a huge jump.
That would be an incredible. Jump.
That's the additional incentive. So I told you, I didn't tell you
how much I'll give you a little bonus, you know, a little cash
bonus there via the Venmo in addition to your weekly salary.
But you know, if that happens the and we get that kind of a
sub jump, I mean you would get a bump in your weekly salary in
addition, in addition. There's a lot of incentives
here. There is now I'd say this about
the guest here because I was thinking about this and then I'm
going to get to the coach K quote not yet about his take on
the expansion. These dopes running the NCAA
I've got to get now. The problem is, is not many of
them left because so many have died off with drug use and
steroids. We have to plot out our first
WWE guest, and I mean an old school one.
I mean an old school 1 old school.
You know, like I've, I've had, I've interviewed Triple H, CM
Punk, I I've interviewed Cena, some of the newer ones like for
WrestleMania promos and it was great.
They were phenomenal. It was awesome that it exploded
digitally. But I, I need an old school guy
and there's just not that many around.
Like, yeah, So what I what here's what I need from the
unleashed fan here, because I know everybody will not
everybody, but so many of you. Any time there's an old
reference there, like AWWE reference, you really light up
with the comments. You guys dig that.
So, and you can even do it now start throwing out some names
and somebody who's active, like I know some guys do podcasts and
I'm, I'll name a few in a minute that that you think will be a
great, get a great conversation. Old school stuff.
I was watching some kayfabe stuff last night.
King Kong Bundy was no longer with us.
I, I, I saw something on him. I, I finally had 20 minutes to
myself and I was, I was watching that.
I know Jake the snake does something.
The snake, I think it's the snake pit pod.
Whatever it is, Jake would be great because he's been through
hell and back. Jake the snake, No.
I. Guess I would assume Stone Cold
doesn't do 1. He doesn't do a podcast
probably. He yeah, but here's the thing,
Jay, Jay, no think you're thinking the you're thinking the
wrong era. Think my before I want old
school 'cause I I've had some of those guys on and they're great
and like. Hitman.
Hart Yeah, there we go. Yeah, that's what I'm talking
about. Sure.
Brett the Hitman hard. Greg Ballentine I think does
some stuff, but I don't think his I don't want to diss Greg.
I, I don't think his podcast is that great.
You know, I mean, Piper, God, if Piper was still alive, that
would be phenomenal. He's my all time favorite, you
know, on the mic, which is other content we'll do.
We'll do my top 10 wrestlers, my top 10 interviewers, like, you
know, Mike guys in the in the in the WWE.
Hogan's no longer with us. Piper Snake does some stuff.
I think Honky Tonk man still does a lot of stuff.
A lot of people hate Honky Tonk man.
He gets a lot of shade. Anyway, we got to start working
on that. So shoot in some text there or
chats, however you want to frame it.
Any any it's got to be old school though.
When I say old school, we'll go pre 95 and again, not that we're
not going to have anybody else post 95, but there I want to I
just I I love this. I don't know what it is.
I love the stories about, you know, 3 or 4 guys in a car, you
know, Hammer not that you should ever do this.
Clearly I'm I'm not advocating this at all.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's dangerous and it's illegal and
it's just idiotic, you know? But guys back then hammering
back beers, doing coke while they're driving, you know,
wrestling 335 * a year, staying out till 5:00 AM and then doing
3 or 4 bumps just to get up to, to perform.
Like those guys lived a very different life shooting up
steroids in the locker room, doing drugs wide open.
Everybody had a bag of pills like, and again, I'm not
advocating that stuff. I have a little fun with the
gummies with you guys. But like that stuff that's I'm
not about that at all. But just to hear those stories,
it's it's crazy. It is absolutely bonkers.
What those no, no wonder they're no longer with us.
On a serious note, All right, according to reports this
morning, Frank Reich, I saw this once Carson Wentz more than
anybody else. What a joke that would be.
That's from Chris, Chris, Chris. Christmas.
Yeah, that's, it's not Christmas, it's Chris Christmas.
I appreciate that, Chris. Chris, with this one, especially
when you do a super chat, I want to at least get your name right.
I did see that. Yeah.
I mean, listen, I'm. I'm not going to really spin off
and I'll address it quickly because you hit the Super chat
and it's no rules Friday. So we bump around here.
It's all good. I mean, I mean, Carson Wentz,
dude. Yeah.
I mean, God, you know, Kyler Murray.
We've heard a lot about Kyler Murray and a lot on Kyler Murray
on the show. He's not a Frank Wright kind of
guy. Small.
He's 510. Frank likes those bigger, more
prototypical pocket passers. I think it's going to be if you
you know, you got to pin me down, maybe somebody like Carson
Wentz, a car, a maybe trade for Jacoby percent, which I'd be OK
for. I mentioned yesterday the Niners
are asking for, excuse me, a first round pick for Mac Jones
and the first round pick to get a grip.
Let's not go nuts here. All right, you can get that off
the board there. You can get that super chat off.
So let's get this up on the board just to finish.
All right, let me hit this. Then we'll get to the Rick
stuff. What do we got here?
Huge DX guy need, you know, a heartbreak kit and all AAA go go
army. Oh, I love I you know, I've got
great. Who is that?
Michael, Michael Mora dash V9G. You know, I love West Point.
Profound respect for West Point. It's funny, I was not the I kind
of stopped wrestling just as those guys were taking off.
Then I jump back into it so well aware of their impact and, you
know, just the shenanigans with those guys.
My God, I've got a funny little. That's why I like the that's why
I like the text messages or the chat, because I read something
and it spurs just a little thought.
So you love, you know, go Army, which obviously is West Point
right in the Hudson Valley, not far from where I went at Marist,
up in Marist in the 90 minutes ish, 90 miles north of New York
City, right? So I went to West Point
basketball camp going into my freshman year of high school,
but I also played against West Point several times in baseball
while I was at Marist. And The funny thing is, and I
didn't even know this and a few of my buddies went to West Point
from Xavier, my buddy John, my buddy Joe, another guy Rod, who
I wasn't that good, good of friends with, but good dude
winner, great swimmer. Like just you go to West Point,
you're you're an inherent winner period.
And my buddy John, I think Joe was wrapped up in clash.
John came to watch me play. First time I ever played
against. I played them two or three
times, right. And I did not know about this
tradition on campus. So I'm a freshman and I'm in the
I don't know, maybe I was batting 6.
So I think, I think it was the second inning and maybe even 7th
whatever. Either way, I'm in the batter's
box and at 6:00 on the button, I mean, you drop a dime, 6:00
bang. Everything stops on campus no
matter what you're doing, whether you're walking
somewhere, working out, obviously in class, eating in
the mess hall. And even when I went to
basketball camp, we had to eat like this.
You got to sit. I think it's 5 or 6 inches away
from the table. It's a certain amount of inches
for we had to do this as an eighth grader.
I'm like, first of all, West Point wouldn't want me with my
grades, but God, how do you, I don't know so much respect for
doing that and having that kind of lifestyle in college.
It's wild. Like no parties, you know, no
girls, you know, And no, I just, it's nuts.
And we're eating like this at, at, you know, you have to lift
up the fork of the spoon and then bring it to your mouth.
So I'm in the batter's box and all of a sudden I start hearing
like the, the, the bugle and whatever's going on.
You know what? I'm, I'm, I guess I'm kicking
dirt, dirt out of my spikes and whatever I'm doing, looking for
a sign third base. And the catcher evidently is, is
not allowed to speak. Nobody's allowed to speak.
So I'm moving around and like, I, I feel the catcher staring at
me like shooting a laser beam through me.
I don't know what's going on and I'm just doing my pre, you know,
pre swing, whatever I'm doing. Probably something like
Mattingly. And finally, thank God, the
umpire says, Son, stand at attention.
I'm like, I'm like, what? And I look around and everybody
on the field, every West Point player, and then our team in the
dugout caught on and you have to stand at attention.
I'm pretty sure it was 6:00. This is a long time ago, but it
was at the top of an hour and I think it was 6.
And I stood in the batter's box, you know, I stepped out a little
bit and then stood at attention with put my hand on my heart.
And I think I held my bat at my side with the other hand and did
not move. And the catcher didn't say that.
I just thank God the umpires. I mean, not, not anything would
have happened, but certainly don't didn't want to disrespect
anything. So yeah, Army love West Point
anytime you know the Black Knights of the Hudson Valley
play a football game. I'm rooting for him anytime they
play army Navy, which is every year.
I'm an army guy. All right, let's get the Rick
Pitino cut up there. Did I send you this one J Rod?
Yes, I did send you this cut. Look at Rick.
OK, so that is obviously going to be again on Monday.
All right, I know that we played that at the top of the hour, but
I wanted you to see that again. And now let's just transfer to
the coach K cut because this is in line what we open up the show
with. All right, so here's what I
mean. Listen, Coach K's legendary and
he's sensible. Quote, this is about these dopes
in the NCAA getting ready to expand the field, which is I
guarantee it's going to happen and I pretty much guarantee it's
going to happen next year. Quote, There are less teams
capable right now than ever before and there are many have
nots and it's not their fault. I don't think you mess with
something that is gold. It's gold.
The thing you should mess with is getting a leadership group
and having them study and see what happens with that group.
I wouldn't mess with gold right now.
And the NCAA tournament is certainly that's Coach K, the
great Mike Schefsky, who ironically was also played at
Army under Bobby Knight, Speaking of West Point, All
right, Of course he gets it because he's Coach K.
You're watering down something that does not need to be watered
down like in a lot of ways guys now yes, if the NCAA tournament
is more attractive when you've got like the recognizable
brands, the blue bloods, which is kind of a.
You know, overused term, but it doesn't matter.
Like when you've got the Kansas's and the Dukes and the
UNC's and you know, even the Arizona's now, but certainly the
Arizona's back in the day with Lute Olson, the Michigan State's
all these years with Tom Izzo, you know, UConn now with Hurley,
UConn with with of course, the great coach Calhoun, St.
John's with Cordiseca, Saint John's now Syracuse with the Bay
Highball. Those years.
I'm just, you know, picking a bunch of different schools and
many others. Florida, of course, like when
you have that and they are, you know, thought to be almost
unbeatable. I'm not saying St.
Johnson unbeatable this year, but like back in the day when
you had like a team like Carolina that had three seniors,
2 juniors, 1 softball, who's going top ten in the draft, like
that's must watch stuff because the element of the upset, that's
where the real intrigue comes in.
So, and this is I'm not going to say that this is the NCAA.
This is not their fault. I want to be fair.
The volatility and the constant jumping around school to school,
to school to school, You really know anybody on the roster.
Is there any familiarity? Is there any real rivalry?
Think about how is a rivalry born?
If you really think about the essence of a rivalry, it's very
simple to describe. A rivalry is born when you get
in my way of me trying to accomplish what I'm trying to
accomplish. And as a result of that,
subsequently, you know, we meet, we have a tough battle, you win,
and then what do you know, the next year we meet again and now
I might beat you or maybe you beat me twice in a row and now
I'm now I've got a better team and now I've got to beat you.
In terms of the fan bases and the coaching with the pressure.
That's a rivalry, right? And that's why, you know, so
many of these coaches who are now younger and and that's
that's a great thing. It's it's all good, but so many
and and Izzo and I've talked to Tom Izzo.
I probably interviewed Tom Izzo probably 15 times in my life and
he is so I'm surprised he's still coaching.
He is so disgusted with the NCAA.
Not not so much the money. He believes that they should be
paid as do I, but all the other stuff like the virtues have been
stripped away from the NCAA tournament.
And I don't know if you think about, well, think about St.
John's and UConn now, all right? St.
John's was never a rival to UConn because UConn used to
stomp up. I mean, UConn wouldn't even have
to play hard. I mean, before Rick and they
beat them with their eyes shut, you know, 8769, you know, 8257,
like, they just get destroyed. Rivalry.
Oh, it sounds good. Oh, you caught at the Garden.
But if you're not a viable threat or if you're not in their
way, you just know they're all right.
Whatever, I'm going to smack you and get on to the team.
That really matters, right? So what happened here?
Hurley's nuts in a good way. Pitino's legendary and nuts in
his own way. Right.
And, you know, UConn back-to-back championships
couple of years ago. Rick's seconds.
Yeah. Rick's hold on Rick's first
season they lost to UConn on Friday night they did the game
with Mink and Saint John scored 90 plus points.
It was the most point UConn gave up UConn was better and they
went on to win the championship. Saint John's, if they would have
won that, they would have made the tournament.
They just missed out. And the I think, I think the
seeds, the foundation for a rivalry was born.
Because then last year what happened was St.
John's went up the stores and Kadari with that twisting shot
and you know, RJ Lewis with the with the jumper for the base of
St. John's one.
And then, you know, here we go. And then they beat him again at
the Garden. Then this year St.
John's beat him at the Garden. So when St.
John's went to it was at Hartford this year, 10 days or
so ago, whatever it was, UConn fans were re engaged in a way
that used to be for teams that really matter to them.
But because St. John's was now beginning to take
whether it's a biggie's regular season crown or a biggie's
championship in terms of the tournament, what was once
there's unlock. Well, now we got to take you
seriously and that's how you have a rivalry.
So there's just no rivalries anymore outside of, you know,
the one that I just mentioned. That's a really good one, you
know, all right, Michigan State, Michigan, all right, you got the
energy within the state. Yeah, I get it.
You know, Florida, Florida State, you play each other Fair
enough in the non conference. Some other ones Miami, FL all
right, great Miami, FL state. But the energy and the
importance is really dissipated. And if you expand it, which
these idiots will, it just gets worse and worse and we're and
more and more diluted, which is probably a better way to say it.
Now, J Rod, let me I'm going to I'm going to give the young buck
a chance to shine a little bit. You know what's up?
If I said to you and I don't even have my list yet, I'm going
to do this on the fly. We'll do a little audible.
All right, before we get to my guy Shaq, who I love, his all
time top ten list is the dumbest one that I've ever seen.
Oh yeah, I was going to. It is really, I mean, and yeah,
I mean, I've got multiple issues with OK.
And I'll give you a chance to expand on that as well.
We'll do that in a little bit. But the if I said to you, what
are the three or five, Let's go with three, 5 might be too many.
What are the three greatest sporting traditions in your
opinion in our country? So forget about the World Cup,
stuff like that. Go ahead.
March Madness. Yep, Super Bowl 2 for two.
March Madness, Super Bowl. OK, I mean, you could go like, I
see. I want to say NBA Finals are
World Series, but I just don't believe it's not the NBA Finals.
It's not a spectacle. It's not the NBA Finals.
What would you say? Like PGA Tour?
Well, I I mean, you, you get hot man, or like 2 for two US, not
U.S. Open either, because it's less
of an American. I think it is obviously
American. But tennis.
Tennis. Yeah, tennis.
OK, yeah, I'm not a big tennis fan.
I love it. PGA Tour.
I enjoy it. PGA Tour.
Yeah, I'm going to and it's the Masters, all right.
And you can even throw the Open Championship.
But obviously the disclaimer here is domestically, and that's
of course over overseas. So I you definitely got the
first two. I mean, you got to put Super
Bowl 1, you got to put March Madness 2.
And then to me it would be the Masters, which is an untouched
tradition. Now see the problem with and,
and put the Masters off to the side for a moment because even
without Tiger and Phil and, and though, even though they, you
know, they still play a little bit, they're not as relevant as
they were. And Tigers jacked up and Phil is
not the same, but it's still the Masters and it's still the same
course. And the great thing about the
masters for me. So I'm not going to put just a
quick thing on the Masters. Why I love it so much is that
you sit there and you watch year after year after year and you
know exactly if you're a golfer or even just a little bit of a
golfer and a golf fan, you know where trouble is, you know, top
shelf on this screen, it's not going to stick or uh oh, here's
you know, it's going to funnel into the pond.
He's going to go for it and too, that's a tough spot and you
know, race Creek, all all the great traditions plus
aesthetically it's beautiful now I, I, I was not watching this
live. I was not into golf at all at
this point, but like when you see footage of Greg Norman
falling apart at the Masters, and I don't expect you to know
this, but it it he just complete?
I think he was up to six or seven, whatever.
He was just complete. And he was, he was #1 at the
time in the world, Greg, Greg Norman.
And he just, he can't be rinsed. I think two shots and he just
imploded. Lost the Masters, right?
You can, I can still see where he is.
And they will play that back. Not not to clown him, but during
the Masters when other guys now are there or in trouble just to
document this. So it's, it's great.
It's like just one chronological snapshot of time that is
amazing. So to me, the Masters on the
list. But now we push that aside.
Super Bowl. All right, listen, I went to a
party this year. Each year, I'm just going to be
honest, I care less and less about the Super Bowl because the
Super Bowl has become less and less about the Super Bowl and
more and more about all the other bullshit.
And I don't just mean Bad Bunny, which if you loved it, great.
I'm not here to disparage Bad Bunny.
I just don't know his music and I don't know your music.
I can't relate to you. I mean, I know a lot of people
love it, so I'm not going to dump on you.
I know that it's certainly political undertones there,
though. I thought that that was a little
bit overstated because I thought the messaging was good that he
tried to do the right thing and and appeal to the, the, the
overwhelming mass of people. I watched both.
I told you the party I was at, I watched both with with Kid Rock
and I just wanted both to end so I could get back to the game,
which which absolutely sucked. Anyway, it's about the
commercials and and I've had I had some fun on the show before
the Super Bowl. Like it's almost frustrating in
the sense that now I was at a smaller party this year with
some of our best friends in town, which was great.
But I've been at parties, you know, and I got to get on the
air the next day and you have people yapping.
People don't know what's going on.
People don't, that don't know what to shut up.
And it's a tough way to for me to, for me selfishly doing this
for a living to consume the biggest game of the year.
It's just this, but I still watch every second.
I still get into it. Obviously it's a Super Bowl, but
the Super Bowl is not what it once was.
And now we're at a point where they are now beginning more and
more and more and more to make March Madness not what it was.
So just to bring this whole thing full circle, why are we
always not we because we're not doing it.
But why are these dopes outside of money just so hell bent and
motivated to alter traditions? Why?
I mean it's. Just why I think at the bottom
line, it's it's it's a hypothetical.
It's someone in their ear. It's focus groups.
It's whoever who are going, this is going to make you more like
this is going to make you. I mean, for the NCAA tournament,
I'm sure that's not the case. But like, it's people going,
yeah, we'll get more fans in seats, we'll get more money.
We'll get more viewers on TV just because there are more
teams, even if the matchups are somehow worse, you know, which
could lead to less viewers on that end.
I don't know. Me neither.
I, I, I think you know what it is.
I think in a lot of ways they've got to justify their position.
And if you remain stagnant and stagnant obviously has a
negative connotation. If you're stagnant, you're not
growing, which which I don't espouse for anything, but I
don't look at keeping a great tradition and not changing it as
remaining stagnant. I, I believe there's a couple of
things. And if you do that with like the
Super Bowl and March Madness and the Masters and maybe one or two
others, you're not stagnant. You're just remaining married to
something that's freaking awesome.
Yeah, Come on, dude. Plain English here.
All right, let me get my guy. Jimmy C 3232.
Jim, that's very generous. Jeez, Jim.
Thank you, man. Appreciate.
Appreciate you and the show. BT I'm the same age as you from
Harrisburg. Pai think there used to be a lot
of old WWE house shows in Harrisburg.
I know they did it in Allentown a lot.
I know they did it in Poughkeepsie, which is where
Marist is. I'm pretty sure Harrisburg was
really in that rotation in the Northeast as they before they
really started to expand. Anyway, many similar likes as
you, sports, movies, etcetera. I'm a Philly sports fan, but I
am and was a big Mattingly fan. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you very much, Jimmy. There's no doubt I'm going to,
I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and and the support's
going to be there. We're going to grow, and this
will always be about the greater good.
And, you know, not shoving political shit down your throat
and, and just, you know, listen, when there's something to hit,
I'm going to hit it. But I do know that I know what
I'm about. And I know what this channel is
built on. And it's built on #1 having fun
#2 knowing what I'm talking about #3 amazing conversations
with guests. You know, as long as J Rod
doesn't mess up the production value, when I finally get this
ridiculous light off my head and shine it off the backboard or
the backdrop there about making it look dope as well, the shorts
and everything. Do you notice, J Rod, this is,
this is this is how I'm going to look back and laugh at this.
Like I said, I really am. I am.
But now I know I told you this, so you do know it's a rhetorical
question, so no need to try to fool anybody.
But do you know, just play along.
Do you notice how we're on the same with the same height today?
Jay, Rod, do you notice? No idea.
Big change, big change, major change.
You know, now, now it doesn't look like I'm taller than you.
Which when we finally meet in person, we'll be quickly What's
the word juxtapose? There we go, there we go, there
we yes, yes. Order will be restored when you
come out to the BT and Sal live show on April 2nd in Wantagh at
Mulcahy's Tickets. By the way, Carl Banks, our
special guest, that's going to be phenomenal.
Got some great stuff planned for you, man.
The first one was a sellout. Tickets going well early so far.
Check it out. It's all my socials and a couple
of VIP packages. Whatever.
Meet me, Sal backstage, Carl. It really is a blast.
It is, it is, it is raw and it is uncensored.
BT and Sal. I mean, there's certain things
we just couldn't say on the radio.
But anyway, do you know how we did this?
I mean, wow, what what the the commitment to the show.
Look at this. He must have gone out and gotten
some massively upgraded chair. Man, he is really all in.
Do you know how we finally got the I mean?
Do you want me? Do you want me to tell or do you
want? To tell him, yeah, you, you
could tell him. You guys tell him.
This guy's sitting on a book. I'm sitting on a book.
Sitting on a book. Like classic grandma driving
back in the day. What?
What book is it? Oh my gosh, that's AI mean.
That's kind of cool. It's a fat book, man.
That's a huge. That's like a dictionary.
Man, it's it's almost a little bit too thick to to really dive
into. I had AI got a cherry picket.
That's what I'm sitting on today.
So that's what I say. I'm going to look back.
And laugh at the the the oh. Geez, it's actually hurting my
ass, but whatever. Compared to the physical that I
had a week and 1/2 or so ago with the prostate, this is this
is a walk in the park, man. I'll sit on.
I'll sit on a bed of nails rather than having that happen.
Again, you know Jesus, this. Is rough, yeah, but so that's
what I mean when I said we're going to look back the humble
beginnings of the show and have you ever done this mentioning
you know Rogan show and and the great Joe Rogan and what he's
done with this platform have you ever seen some of his early
YouTube shows of. Course, dude, OK, When you have
like Joey Diaz and stuff like that and they would just be like
trolling people. They were almost on like
recording on like Skype or something.
Skype. It.
Like it looked ridiculous. Yeah, of course.
OK, yeah, and the background and just so you know, the camera.
Yeah. Yeah, it was rough, rough around
the edges there. That's a good way to put it
there. All right, let me get this soup.
Pop that super up there. And I want to get into what Shaq
said I got. I got to get on my boy Shaq, who
I absolutely one of my favorite people in the world.
I love Shaquille O'Neal he is. If there was more Shaqs in the
world, the world would be a better spot.
All right, at Clr 8810. Appreciate that, buddy.
Thank you. The Masters is definitely an
American tradition, no question about it.
I cried. I didn't cry.
I mean, that's a little bit much, but I, but I respected, I
cried when Tiger. Oh, you thought I thought you
meant when he was I, I read that wrong when he when he was 19.
I, I got you. I didn't cry in 2019, but I was
as locked into that and I had emotion flowing through me that
I never thought that I would feel watching golf.
So I short of tears, but I, I feel you on that.
So anyway, my #4 would have been the yeah, the Derby.
Absolutely love the show. I think that's one thing that
they don't mess around with is the Kentucky Derby.
The coverage is kind of still the same.
You know, the the pageantry around it has remained
relatively unchanged. I I think I got a funny one.
Go ahead. What were you going to say?
No, no, no, I mean, you go, I was just going to say, yeah, it
is an event where it's kind of remained like Kentucky Derby,
but no one's talking about the Kentucky Kentucky Derby halftime
show or pre game performance, something like that.
Like it's very much remain, you know, obviously there's oh, Tom
Brady's there, oh this rapper's there or whatever.
And they're dressed up and there's that little, you know,
photo op, but it's still I feel like has remained the same
sporting. Event.
Yeah, I actually met my wife at the Kentucky Derby party.
No way that we met. Yep.
But it wasn't at no. No, no, no, no, it was, it was,
no, it was on the Upper West Side of my buddy Pete's nice
apartment there. And yeah, he told me not to get
too much into, but he's told me he's like, hey, this he's like,
yeah, I, I well, I can't get to the whole story.
I just saw a picture. I'm like, I'm coming.
I mean, I was going to go anyway and I'm going to, I'm going to
give you actually, I will tell you this part, right.
So I was, yeah, obviously dating, whatever, having fun,
not now a couple serious girlfriends, but nothing crazy.
And I was, I was like almost at my wit's head because I was at
the point I'm like, man, I want to, I want to be a dad.
I want to get married. Like that's something I always,
I always wanted to have, right? And I was in my 30s.
I'm like, all right. I mean, you know, how much fun
can you have? And, and I remember playing golf
that day and actually being in a match and hit a great shot,
sticking it like, which I very rarely did, sticking it like 5
feet to the cup. It was me and my buddy Dan
versus two other guys for money. Not not big money.
I wasn't even playing well, but I stick.
I stuck like A7 iron 5 feet from the cup.
It was like alternate shot. He hit the putt we want.
It was awesome. So it was a good day and I knew
my buddy was having this Kentucky Derby party.
I worked with him. He was on the sales side of ESPN
and I was working at 10:50 at the time.
Pete, great guy, great guy. Still in touch with him too.
And, and I remember I'm like, man, yo, you got a, you got to
change your approach here, Meaning how you, how you, I
don't want, I don't say how you approach women, but just your
mindset. All right, So I go to the party.
I'm like, you know, today's the day.
And there were a bunch of people there and he kept texting me or
calling me. He's like, dude, where are you?
I live like 3 blocks away. I'm like, I'm watching the
Yankees. I'm like, I play golf.
I'll be there. I just, I wasn't really feeling
it. I knew I was going to go, but I
wasn't really feeling it right. And I'm like, all right, dude, I
don't know what your expectations are.
It's not working. You haven't, you haven't fallen
in love yet to that extent in terms of where you want to get,
get, marry somebody. So long personal story short,
I'm at this party. I'm like, all right.
I remember having about 3 conversations with three
different women, young women, right, dude, Like I, I yeah, I
got the numbers and like very smart.
I think one went to Georgetown. Well, that couldn't work.
Some St. John's guy, Georgetown grad, you
know, maybe like a Lehigh, like really good schools, very smart,
very interesting. I just wasn't feeling the
attraction. Like they weren't ugly, but they
just weren't, they weren't doing it.
And, you know, maybe you'd go out to dinner with one of these
and you see where it goes. And the irony is that that day,
and I, I swear to God, I'm not sensationalizing this, I changed
my mindset as to how I was going to at least go about and, and
approach my, my dating life. And three hours later and I was
kind of getting ready to leave. She walks in.
She walked into that party and I was I, I was, I actually think I
was sitting next to Michael Kay. Kay was at the party.
Oh my gosh, yeah. That is incredible, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. B TS got a lot of good stories.
Man, I wish I could tell you something.
So like you're talking about like this mindset change.
So like what? Like how?
Like what was that mindset? The mindset was, I'm just going
to be blunt. Stop, you know, stop looking at
beauty first. Like obviously I'm not going to,
I'm not trying to disrespect anybody, but like, I'm not going
to go up to a four out of a 10 and yeah, try to get a number.
But you know, I'm looking, I'm looking for 10s.
You know, I'm looking for nines 9 1/2.
Let's go. This is high ceiling and and the
floor is high too. So really it was just, it
really, it was a more mature, it was a more mature venture into
maybe it's go beneath the surface a little bit, like if
she's A7 or A7 and 1/2, you know, maybe, but she's
incredibly interesting and she's funny and all these other thing
which do matter by the way, they really do.
But at that point, you know, let's face it, when somebody
walks into a bar or at a party, the first thing you recognize is
how they look. And anybody who says, if that's
not true, you're full of shit, It's the first thing you notice.
And that's the first thing that I, that I know, I still to this
day, you know, you know, that's what you notice.
So I went in there and with a different mindset and, and, and
that's why I believe in fate and all those other things.
I can't prove this, but I believe if I would have gone in
there with the same. And I was always polite and a
gentleman. It's not like I was ever rude or
to, to women, even if whatever at all ever.
It's not how I was raised. But I think if I would have gone
there with the same mindset, like I, where's the hottie at?
Like where's she at? And I, and, and I didn't have
those 3 discussions, which, you know, one was interesting.
Well, I mean, they were all a little bit interesting.
So I learned a few things, but wasn't moving the needle, you
know what I'm saying? Like I who knows, maybe she
doesn't walk into the party that night.
Yeah. I I really, I really believe
that that's. The butterfly effect right
there, I think. I think it takes everything.
I think it takes everything for everything to happen.
Yeah, I would agree with that. And that's why I remember you
and I were talking about this a few weeks ago on an overalls
Friday here on the show. And like the dating scene to me
now it's got to be toxic because I remember, I mean like my
college girlfriend, we never once discussed politics ever.
And then even the couple before my my wife no, like I, I, I
think I knew which way they leaned, but I like I wasn't even
into it. Now, if you are dating, it's got
to be the first thing that comes up over dinner.
It must be and. It's got to be, but it's almost
like now there's like, I think with a lot of young people, I
mean, and potentially even myself included, I'm not going
to like keep myself out of this category.
Keep it real. But like, I think there's almost
just like this unspoken agreement that you almost all
believe, believe the same crap like or like that you.
Yeah. Like, like, or at least with a
in New York City, like, I think it's a big thing with the people
that I see that I'm interacting with where you just see someone,
you go, OK, we probably think the same thing.
We're both young people. We're both in New York City.
Let's not even touch it. Let's not even touch this thing.
Get incendiary, OK. You know, And OK.
So. Yeah, I don't know.
I think, I think for some people, you know, and it's, it's
a person by person thing. I think for some people in my
generation, that's their life right there.
You know what I'm saying? Their, you know, their whole
life is trying to make them posture themselves up to the
high and be like, I'm the best, I'm the most moral, I'm the most
politically correct. Yeah, and, and by the way, those
are usually, those are the people who are usually full of
the most shit. Oh, easily, yeah.
I mean, what are you if if you're somebody who is trying to
convince someone 100% of your opinion, yeah, your opinion's
probably not that that correct, You know what I mean?
I do, Well said. Yeah.
But The funny thing is like, you know, just to tie it into the
dating thing, you know, go on like Hinge and, and stuff like
that. And, and granted, it's a dating
app, it's, I say it's like a little, it's, it's like a little
more adult than Tinder. I don't know if you've heard of.
Tinder, of course, I've heard of.
I've never. OK, I missed that one.
You know, that could have been fun.
But no, I I was never once on Tinder.
Never. Go ahead.
But yeah, like you'll see, you know, and I hate to say it.
Just say it's. Usually it's usually, you know,
more girls who are more left-leaning.
I got you. You could say it, do it.
It's it's not. No, no.
I mean, it's just that's the that's the thing.
As a young guy, you're like, oh man, am I going to say
something? Am I?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you jump on, do you jump on
J Date? Is J Date still a thing for the
in the Jewish community or no? No, not really.
You know, a bunch of my buddies do it.
There were a couple of my friends who are Jewish, who are
divorced. Who, who, who.
Yeah, it's it's a very viable. Outlet form I could see for
older people but my generation is pretty straight like now.
Hinge is like, you know, hindering Tinder.
Tinder was more college kind of deal.
Well, Tinder was a meat market. Tinder was hooked up and that's
it, you know so. Like like, but Hinge is more
like, you know, you're, you're starting a little dialogue.
Then there's like, oh man, you'll love this one Bumble
where the where the girl has to message you first.
Oh yeah, the first move there. I will say Bumble usually is a
pretty dry dry one. But yeah, I'm usually on.
I'm usually on Hinge now and. Hinge.
It sounds like more like unhinged.
Yeah, honestly, that's it's closer to that.
All right. Because there they'll like throw
like you better believe what I believe.
If we're going to like, it'll be like the one thing because you
it has prompts and it'll be like the one thing I look for in a
guy. Yeah, he's conservative.
I got you. I got you.
Yeah, it used to. Here's what it used to be.
Here's what they used to look for.
I don't know good guy, I don't know a family man, I don't know
a stable job that's. What I'm saying like these
chicks don't even care if a guy has a job anymore.
I know even like on the list maybe maybe on that list, like,
I don't know, well in doubt. I mean, I don't even think that
that matters anymore. As long as you believe what they
believe, it doesn't matter. As long as you can go, yes,
you're right. Yes, that's.
It I got a what a fuck I'm sorry for what a fucked up, what a
fucked up generation, man, I'm sorry.
I don't know about both. Everybody's turning nuts.
Can you get that, J Rod? Get that off the screen for me,
buddy. Thank you, Sir.
Now, let me set this up. Shaq.
I love Shaq.
He is the best. He is just unbelievable.
He is real. He is generous.
He is transparent, he is so caring, he is affable, he is
smart. I mean, he's really one of my
can you tell? I mean, what a what a scout
report. He's one of he's one of my
favorite people in the public, you know, spectre spotlight in
the world, because he gets it. He just gets it all.
He's more about common sense anyway.
I'm not not even to delve back into that stuff.
I but I do love the guy right. So as much I love Shaq, this is
one of the dumbest things and Shaq, like Mike Charles and all
of us say dumb things on occasion.
This has to be the dumbest thing that I've ever seen him put his
name next to. Now let's get the graphic up.
Shaq was rocking through his top ten.
There it is Shaq's that was I saw this on X last night and
courtesy, we're not trying to steal anybody's stuff.
All right, do the right thing fast break hoops on X Shaq's top
10 greatest players of all time. All right, MJ one Kobe 2.
We're going to keep this up for a while because I'm going to run
through this. Kobe 2, LeBron 3, Magic Bill
Russell, Will Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Hakeem, who I think is the
most grossly underrated superstar.
So I wouldn't have an 8, but I do respect him being on the
list. Timmy Duncan, Doctor J, and I'm
sure if you'd have to count, I would think that Jack would be
counting ABA and NBA. All right, I'm sorry, I know
it's subjective, but any list that does not have Kareem on
this is 100% invalidated. It just is.
It's just not interesting. It's not right.
It's not fair. It's not reflective of what
actually transpired. Now Kareem Six time champion,
six time MVP, 2 times Finals MVP, 15 time All NBA, 19 time
All Star, eleven time All Defensive Team, 9 Rookie of the
year, 2 scoring titles and has made take away foul shots and
threes. Has made the most field goals in
the history of the game and the most indefensible shot in the
history of basketball. It's it's Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Now, this is obviously a little petty on Shaq's part, which I
have an issue with. All right, You know, I don't
think that Shaq I know, didn't really feel the love or the
welcome mat from Kareem when he went to LA because Kareem's not
that guy. Like when was the last time you
saw or heard Kareem talk about, you know, somebody's crossover
move or like what it Kareem is all about?
Like world matters and deeply relevant, you know, topical
societal things. I quick aside, I remember I
don't know if I said this on here years ago.
Well, the year, oh God, it was early 2000s because Chris Paul
was at Wake Forest. And I remember interviewing
Chris on my on my show and he was wearing a Yankee hat and he
wound up coming out and I was trying to get him.
Hey, you coming out and he wouldn't tell me.
But anyway, it was that one. So whatever year Chris Paul was
drafted, I forget he was this was the year so and I had Kareem
on and a lot of people, because I was younger and a lot of
people that I knew of the business like be careful.
Kareem's trick. He's a tough interview.
You know, he doesn't really, really care.
Basketball is not that important to him.
And I'm sitting here saying what?
It's Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I would talk basketball and and
I I heeded that advice and I actually talked a lot, not
politics, but a lot of more, you know, less inflamed societal
matters at the at the top to get him engaged.
And then we moved to the basketball stuff and it was a
home run. And I remember a lot of people,
because it was back on 1050 ESPN Radio, a lot of people that
heard that, you know, some older people in the business, they're
like, that's really one of the best Kareem interviews I've ever
heard, or at least heard in a while.
Like you got him to, to actually talk and, and be human.
So listen, Kareem's a very unique and, and for some
confounding figure, I'm just talking about the greatest
players of all time. Now it's Shack's list.
So I'm, I'm not here to really shit all over it, but I can't
take it seriously. Now.
If you even if Kareem was 9, I'd be like, dude, what are you
doing now? He excludes himself, which is
smart. He's humble there.
And I don't think Shaq's a top ten player.
I don't. And all due respect, and I love
him and I miss him and rest in peace.
I wish Kobe was around to talk about the world now because I
think he would be a real injection of sensibility both
ways. But Kobe is not a top ten NBA
basketball player of all times. Just not Jordan's won for me.
I'll go through my list in a minute.
Obviously, MJS up there, Lebron's up there.
Magic's on it, Russell's on it, Wilts on it, Birds on it.
I do think Duncan should be on it.
Probably 10 for me. I think Hakeem would be more 11
or 12. I think Doctor J would be more
in that 151617 range myself. Who else did I have there?
Want to make sure I'm not Steph's got to enter the
equation. Oscar Robertson.
Shaq would be inside my top 15. But it's just it is amazing to
me how he is not on Shaq's list. We could get this off there.
Now, J Rod, you never saw Kareem outside of highlights.
I saw I saw old Kareem. Now, funny thing about Kareem, I
thought Kareem and I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but
it's it's the most colorful way for me to describe his game, not
his, not his personality as I didn't, I didn't process his
personality as a kid. I just didn't.
I remember God, I must have been in the 1st grade and in the 1st
grade, this before I started playing travel baseball.
My dad coached my first and 2nd and and 3rd and then he stopped
baseball church team, right. And back then, you know, you get
the uniforms. Some kids would wear jeans like
there was no swag. Somebody like Brennan and Carr,
which was is great, would sponsor A-Team or some local
pharmacist, whatever, a restaurant maybe.
And anyway, you'd get the jerseys and you'd get like a bat
or two and like two or three helmets and a couple of balls
and a scoring book and maybe home plate or bases, like those
soft bases in a big green Army bag.
That absolutely was from Vietnam, no doubt in my mind it
came from Vietnam, right. And, and I guess it was maybe
after first grade and my dad had a basketball in there for some
reason, right? I was just starting to get into
basketball and I remember taking out the ball and, and like, and
I was horrible, horrible. Or, and even when I became
decent, I never had a good handle.
I was a shooter and a really good passer, but I couldn't
dribble for shit. And I, but I remember, you know,
dribbling in the basement and the basketball, it was a Kareem
Abdul Jabbar basketball, right? OK, so I and I didn't see Kareem
play much because they only played the Knicks twice.
When they played the Knicks out West, it was late and I was too
young to stay up. I don't think I had MSG at that
point. I saw a lot of the all the Knick
Rd. games were on Channel 9. So I and I'd see Kareem once in
a while, like in the mid 80s as I got older, you know, against
the Celtics on a Sunday, big game of the week, stuff like
that. And then obviously the playoffs
in the Finals, which I was into certainly at that point.
But I thought Kareem was a complete geek on the band.
Like I I looked into. Yeah, I want to.
I want to back that up because it's not a shot at him as a
person at all. I looked at Kareem and I'm like,
this guy's everything about this game, this guy's game is goofy.
Like there's nothing cool about Kareem goggles, You know, socks
up to his knee. A lot of guys wore high socks,
but socks up to his knees didn't have cool sneakers.
Like he was rocking LA gears at one point.
LA gear. You ever hear LA gear?
Not at all, man. I.
Didn't think so. By the way, do a quick Google
image and then maybe if you can't pop it up on the screen.
LA gear. Kareem's right.
They were Kareem's brand, right? Everybody?
Jordan, you got, you know, Dominique with sick kicks,
Isaiah, you know, Bernard King Bird with the Converse weapons
or Mark Aguire like I was a sneaker head, right?
And we'll do a show on sneakers at some point.
My old time favorite. But Kareem, everything about
him, he shot the skyhook like we would go to the schoolyard and
then eventually my backyard when I got a hoop.
And you know, we as soon as you get the ball, like you drive to
the rim and you'd do like a double pump and you'd yell
Jordan, you know, Dominique, when we lower it and try to dunk
it backwards. I was a horrible dunker too,
because I had no UPS, right? But when it was low enough I
could hammer it and like Kareem had 0 appeal to me.
Aesthetically he was boring, he was gangly, he was goofy.
He just didn't seem cool at or there was nothing that resonated
coolness about Kareem at all. So I didn't like him.
Again, it was never personal. Didn't didn't like his game.
I thought it was whash when I was a kid.
And you know, so for me to come out and always defend him
because he always gets omitted by far too many people, you know
that that's really important to me for Kareem not to be on
Shaq's list and for Kareem's not Kareem not to be on anybody's
number 3 minimally. All right, if you're a LeBron
guy over Jordan, you're nuts. But whatever, that's your
opinion. If you're a LeBron guy over
Kareem, all right, you're nuts, but that's your opinion.
But if he's not in the top three, you're a clueless
basketball clown. You know nothing about the game.
Yeah, no, I mean, and even obviously me who I didn't even
see Jordan play, I didn't see Kareem play.
You gotta just throw them up in there just cuz it's Kareem Abdul
freaking Jabbar like. Dude.
Literally lost how many games in college 2?
I think it was one or two, something like that.
Yeah, I don't like that. Look at those things.
I mean, tears kind of cool though, like.
Stop, dude. Really, I think they kind of
remind me of like the Reebok Classics.
Like they've got I. Had those, I had those.
They've. Got something to them?
Well, you know, good job finding that too.
I was in my mind, in my minds eye.
I actually remember him wearing high tops.
You don't have to look forward. It's all good LA gear.
High tops, which were, even if you could believe it, less cool
than those. Oh.
Dude, these are bad. Yeah.
Like bad bad bad cool or bad shit bad shit bad.
Ugly. Pretty ugly.
Pop them up. You got something?
Can you pop them up? It's like.
EBay listing it's going to these were.
Wack. 30s. God, dude, his I mean, everybody
wore nut huggers back then except Jordan, but his shorts
were so tight. Even the way his wristband like
he wore, like he tape his wrist and and you know, and that's not
because it wasn't my generation. And I found none of those guys
cool. Like even the ABA footage of
George Gervin and Doctor J, you know, even Rick Barry going to
the rim, like those guys were cool, man.
They like Dan Isel could play. Look at these.
Look at these clunkers, man. Look at them like the they're
like a fake Jordan 5. Look at those guys, what are
they selling for on eBay that? Pair is.
Let's see, I mean, I would imagine a decent amount, right?
Like you? No, only 120 bucks size 12 1/2.
Size 12 1/2 a little bit better wear 11 and a half 12.
So I'm not that I'd buy them anyway.
I've got one more homework assignment for you.
Got to pop these up real quick. Now my dad, even though as I've
said a lot when I was like young, just before he opened his
business, like, you know it, I always had the best stuff, but
it wasn't easy for him to pay for it at all up until I was
about 13 was when he opened his business.
And then things changed. Not crazy crazy, but definitely
changing our house for the for the better.
Right. But even with that being said,
you know, and bats weren't nearly as exorbitant as they are
now. My son's bat was 400 plus
dollars for this year, 400. Yeah.
And that you outgrow them after a year.
It's crazy, right? The cleats were $1.30.
I mean, anyway, I'm not complaining.
It is what it is, but and I always had fresh kicks man Santa
brought them always had cool sneakers, but I do remember and
they were the the dime store version of Air Jordans and I did
have air jordans too. For sure I had the first pair
right look for spud webs. This is old school man.
You guys are going to love this here.
Wait till you see this pop on the screen Spud webs city wings,
black and red and they were low cut.
They were. These were low cut.
Spud Webb obviously won the dunk contest about 55.
Oh. Look at these.
Boys, hold on, give me a quick. Second, they had the pony yeah,
I got you. I got you.
I got. They had like the Pony V and
they came with all sorts of colors.
And if the Jordans were. What are your thoughts on these?
Like, do you? Think I like them.
OK? Yeah, same.
I like them. Yeah, I like them.
The problem was if you had them, you'd get clowned because, you
know, you can't afford Jordans all look at those knock off
Jordans. What, your dad can't afford
Jordans? And and I had the Jordans, but
you didn't want to wear those in games like like I tell you what,
if if they were on eBay, I wouldn't get used ones.
But if I could actually find them somewhere and and they had
like an 11 1/2 or 12, I would get them.
I would wear those with jeans. Hell yeah, I would wear those
who like I'm an ankle sock guy. I can't wear socks, but I just I
don't like that look at all. Oh God, dude, that's our big
disagreement right there. I know.
I know my screw sock guy. I know my son too.
He plays basketball. He's got like the black ones
that come back, you know, up up to like maybe mid calf, not even
know below that, but like more about you know what, you know
the ones I'm talking about. I'm like, yo, you don't you
don't know what style is. You got to go, you got to go.
No sock look, man. But anyway, there a lot of kids
wear them like he does. I would wear those with the with
the ankle sock and and jeans or shorts or, you know, something
like baggy shorts in the summer. Those were actually pretty dope.
But the difference in price point like Jordans were about
100 and those were probably 3999, maybe even a little bit
cheaper, maybe a little bit cheaper.
Did you did you ever get the OR do you remember the Marbury?
'S strawberries. Strawberries.
Well, I mean, yeah, I I mean never.
I don't think I've ever seen them even in in person with my
own eyes. Probably maybe a Foot Locker.
I don't. I don't think they carry them.
No, I think, no, I think it was Kmart or what are those stores?
I think it was. Right, right.
They would have the big white clunky because it would be like
the star berries and the shacks would kind of be in a similar
department. That's when Shack.
Was down the. Reebok.
Yeah, Reebok.
Because I think he did Reebok and then I think he also did his
own shoe brand called Just Shacks, where instead of the
Reebok logo, yeah, it was just like.
Hanging, hanging on the rib. Those were dope.
I'm going to have one more than I want to get back to this old
time list here the look these up.
Now you got to understand back in the day, it was a challenge
to find different colored scheme sneakers.
I'm talking about in the mid 80s, late 80s, even in the early
90s. Like it just wasn't easy, right?
So my CYO team was for about 5 or 6 years gold and green.
Not easy to find right now, not easy.
Now one year I wore the the black and white.
Do you remember the converse weapons?
Those fresh, OK. I like those a lot.
Converse weapons were money. I love them right.
So I I would wear the black and white bird ones with the green
and gold uniform. That was a good look because
kind of like Bird Celtics. Yeah, definitely.
OK. But then there was oh God,
Xavier McDaniel when he was with the Seattle SuperSonics.
Those old school uni's right and green and gold color scheme.
This before Gary Payton and and Detler shrimp and those guys and
obviously Sean Kemp and it was either Etonic.
Have you ever heard of you've heard of running shoes?
Probably Etonics, right? Let me see.
Maybe that's all good. If you have nobody or Brooks,
type in Xavier Mcdan the golden green Xavier McDaniel sneakers
from 80 whatever and I finally. There's a crazy pair right here,
the Etonic Hakeem ones. I remember those.
These are hideous, but I remember those.
We pull up the Xavier McDaniel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was really hard to get those.
And the way that I think that I got those, there used to be a
catalog that that would come to the to our home.
And that's that's where I started getting like my.
Should I pull the black or green ones up?
Which one you talking about, Xavier?
Xavier McDaniel. Yeah, go to the, go to the
greenies. OK Yeah, yeah, when I found
these and I, the way I was able to fuck is they didn't have
them. Like Dick's wasn't around.
And there was the store Herman's and Kings Plaza on Flatbush
Ave., where I'd get all my stuff from, like an all-purpose
sporting goods store. And maybe in like the late 80s,
I think it might be around maybe.
You ever hear of East Bay? It's like yeah of.
Course. Yeah, you've heard of East Bay
it. It it still exists as like a
sneaker retailer I. Believe nice, wow, good for
them. That's where I would start
getting like some funky cleats in college, like different color
schemes, but because that's when things were starting to explode
a little bit. But I remember when I finally
found the ones that you're efforting to find.
That shouldn't take that long, buddy, the Xavier McDaniels.
I'm just look at those guys, look at that.
OK, no, no, no, no, they're not, but that's so keep it up.
Those are spot builds. Wow, look at those spot builds
They had. My buddy had the Brooks and spot
builds and those were absolutely wild.
You don't have to go nuts finding it, buddy.
It's all good. This will be, this is just a
little foreshadow of additional BT Unleashed content.
My all time top ten favorite sneakers.
That's going to be great. That's going to be great.
And I remember when I finally got the green and gold ones,
they were so hard to find. I got them on East Bay and when
they finally came to the house, because it would take like weeks
and weeks and weeks, man, it was like it wasn't Christmas, but it
felt like Christmas. All right, let me ask you this
and then I'll give you mine. Based on Shaq's list, which is
ridiculous to not have cream on there, Who are your top five
players of all time? I just somebody your age.
I want to hear how you process now in history.
Go ahead. So.
So I'm throwing historical figures in there as well, right?
You can do whatever you think encompasses, you know, mostly
that that will best represent your top five.
I like the history. You know, I'm a history guy, so.
Yeah, I'll throw history. I'll throw people.
I haven't seen that. OK, so I'll go Jordan 1.
Yep. I'll go LeBron too.
OK, I'll go. Kareem 3.
OK, I'll go. Magic 4.
OK, and I'll go. Oh man.
That's a good list so far. I mean, I was going to go.
It's for me. It's kind of a rotating wheel
bird. Russell Bird.
Yeah, no, OK. He'll be in my top ten.
I just think I just think about you totally different era like
no question comparing eras that Bill Russell eras I know.
Yeah, but think about hold on. But Jay, I hear you.
But think about like when we talk about all time baseball
players, you get Babe Ruth and Willie Mays and Hank Aaron and
those old timers. So I mean, that's just my
mindset. I always try to reflect
everything that happened, but it's subjective.
So what about Wilt? Throw Wilt out there.
Not at my, not at my fifth spot. I just think with the 1
championship, I think you got to throw some more modern guys
above Kobe in that list. Kobe, yeah, Not for me, but.
He's in my he's like, he would maybe crack my top ten.
I just think what he's got, you know, 1 MVP, how many finals?
Yeah, but he should have had the same.
Steve Nash should not have won that.
That was a joke. Fair, fair.
But But he's got one. True.
So I just think it's different. What?
About Duncan? What about Tim Duncan?
That he was going to be my five guy.
He was going to be my #5 guy. Just think the five
championships potential, you know, a city.
It could have been a six ring if not for the Ray Allen.
I'm going to go Tim Duncan as my five guy and just go Jordan,
LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Duncan. I think that's a really good
list for somebody your age and I'm not pushing back.
I just I have a question that I want your answer on because you
never saw MJ that which is amazing, amazing to be because
the kid never saw Michael Jordan.
My God, nice being young. Although you did miss out.
You never saw MJ. Was there any consideration
because many people your age put LeBron 1.
I mean, I think it's I think it's blasphemous.
Somebody my age, I. Don't need you to blow up on.
No, no, I won't manage your list dude.
No, I'm going honestly, I take Jordan over LeBron simply for
almost like this. The.
Breath that Jordan is left with the game like after after LeBron
retires, obviously he'll be spoken of as one of the greats,
as top three, but it won't have that same that same weight that
same, you know, 500 LB ton weight that Jordan's name.
Carries I agree with. The name of with the game of
basketball, I agree, no. And with LeBron, I think in
terms of as good, like I think he's as good of a basketball
player as anybody in terms of his skill.
But in terms of greatness, in terms of what that name
represents for basketball, I just think you got to put Jordan
first. There.
Well, what about this? Fair enough.
OK, So if if that's part of the evaluation, like your impact
downstream on the game, what about Steph Curry?
He would crack top 10 for me certainly there.
And I think like and I think some people wouldn't put Curry
in there. I think they'd still keep people
like Hakeem over him and stuff like that, but.
The Russells and the will. Exactly.
And the Oscar Robertson's for something.
Yeah, that's true. That's.
True. I'd give Curry his flowers over
to Oscar Robertson, I think at. The me too, me too.
I just think obviously he literally changed the entire
game of basketball and he has the accolades to prove.
It and he didn't have to jump around from team to team to do
it. Think about this too.
And, you know, he when he was drafted, the Warriors stunk.
So think about, you know, whether it's Jordan and that
that that legacy and the element of still forever.
I mean, in 100 years, we're going to be where I won't be.
But we're in Jordan stuff, right?
Yeah, The the the piercing of of multiple generations here.
Well, when I was young, I just told you about the story, you
know, never going to the schoolyard saying Kareem, you
know, trying to fire a hook. It was always like LMJ or
Dominique or whatever it was, right.
Bernard came from me. Chris Mullen shooting, but the
the also the the appeal and the cross section of the clothing,
like Iverson with the baggy shorts.
Jordan as well. Too little counter culture,
which ushered in a whole new area.
You got you got it, you got it. Not that not that a is on my top
ten list, but top 20 top 25 for me definitely at but so to me,
if if that's part of the barometer, I you can make the
case. I think you really can.
Maybe outside of a will too is a big and because he was just so
powerful and demonstrative and Jordan for the reasons I left
the largest impact and the most profound impact on the game.
Maybe not apparel the game is Steph because now every kid that
walks in the gym, the first thing they do is they fire up
Curry. Yes Steph and.
You know, and my childhood was a lot of Kobe, but then as soon as
what? I mean what year 2014, 2015,
2016 100% change Curry. Yes, every time, you know.
Yeah, man, J Rod, think about this, dude.
So now we're fully desensitized to it.
And, you know, listen, I love the Knicks.
I watch the NBAI know the NBA well.
I don't enjoy the NBA. The winner that I used to for a
lot of reasons. I'm not going to shut down
everybody's throat now because it's, you know, some people
still love it. I just don't love it the way
that I did. I don't think it's the same
product. I mean, defense, all the threes.
That's the short version, tanking, whatever, rest rest
nights, maintenance days. But when Steph Curry first
started bombing 252627 footers, you're like what?
What in the world, dude. Now you you, you look at any box
score on any given night and there's probably on the
conservative side. 50 threes combined by both teams and some
are 5-6 feet behind the rim or behind the line, no.
It's. Insane.
Change the game. Yeah.
And it's like and before him and like this would be a question
for you. Like was there ever any other
player before him who was an off the dribble point guard who is
taking deep 3 pointers? Off the dribble.
Off the dribble, yeah, dude, the game was so different.
I mean, Isaiah would shoot a couple Dennis Johnson with the
Celtics, but he was I didn't see him with the Sonics.
They won the championship. I think it was 79.
Lenny Wilkins. I think Sigma was there Dennis
Johnson. But I, I, I saw Dennis Johnson
with the Celtics. He was he was still good slower,
you know, set up Birds, set up Mikhail, set up Parish, open
jump shot mid range, set up Ainge for three off the dribble.
No, I'm just thinking of point guards from back then off the
dribble. Absolutely not.
There's like, there's no way, dude, step backs.
How about step backs? Not really either, no.
Step backs. My thought was like, you know,
like I, I think my roommate and I were having this discussion on
like best 3 point shooters of all time.
Like we were talking Clay Curry and it's like before Steph
Curry, you know, the greatest shooters of all time.
We're kind of all in that Reggie Miller, Ray Allen shooting guard
archetype where they were the catching.
I mean, Reggie Miller of and Ray Allen both had more of their
game than catch and. Shoot, yeah, for sure, For sure.
But they were kind of those still 3 point shooters.
They weren't running, dribbling with the ball, taking it,
putting it up like that. It was a little different.
It was a little more corner based I feel.
Yeah, OK, OK. I think you're you're you're
kind of right. This is where, you know, maybe
obviously being older, I can help you get there fully, right.
Sure. So again, Reggie Miller, he the
way he ran off screens, I mean, whether it's baseline coming off
all these curls. So he might actually shoot the
ball from a stationary position, but the amount of miles he would
run during a game, you know, running off multiple screens as
guys were trying to free him up. Rick Smith's, you know, some
other one, Dale Davis, some of the Antonio Davis, the big
forwards in the front court that battled the Knicks and some of
those other really good teams all those years.
So it wasn't like he was just like waiting for the ball.
I'm open. Let me you know he was never
open because you knew if he was open, you were dead.
So it was there was a lot of movement and then it became
stationary. So you were you were kind of in
the right direction and and let me throw something else there
for you. The you talk about like, and
this is interesting. Charlie puts us up.
From what I've seen, Shack was the most dominant player
watching from the late 80s to present.
I OK, I got you there. I mean there's different ways to
describe dominance. OK, I mean Kareem was dominant,
Jordan was dominant. Many others have been dominant,
But I I think you mean that sheer ferocity, just that
absolute banging big body that people would literally get out
of the way for. So if that's the case, you're
right. Think about transformative
players, right? That's why I wanted to have this
discussion today. I knew we would branch into some
fun basketball talk off of Shaq's list, right?
So you talk about Jordan and well, Jordan wasn't necessarily
the pioneer for dunking. It was Doctor J All right,
Doctor J, the 76 ABA slam dunk contest in Denver.
Like if you watch that, you guys know David Thompson, they just
called him Skywalker could jump out of the gym and a couple of
others, right? I think Pistol Pete was one of
those first guys who was doing crazy schoolyard shit that
nobody that coaches hated. Nope.
Can't play basketball that way. We need 9 passes and a back cut.
Come on, bounce pass. Like he was doing stuff that was
just, you know, yeah, it was just insane.
Right. And then Steph with the shooting
range and the shoot, shooting prowess and maybe guys like
Ewing, lesser extent Patrick Hakeem, big suit centers,
conventional centers who could step out and shoot 15 to 18
footers. Not really freeze, but but then
you got to throw a name in here. He's not a top ten player.
He very well might be a top 20 player and that's Dirk.
Because when you look at think about, I'm not saying there's.
Another one in the comments that I'll throw up in a second.
OK, OK, OK. I I'm looking forward to seeing
it because I'm not saying that that Jokic is, is is spawned
from Dirk, but there was an aversion.
Like if you were a big you sit your ass in the post and you
demand the excuse me, the basketball and you go to drop
step, you know, little baby hook, little pump fake dunk
Moses guys like that young Patrick Hakeem Shack.
But Dirk Nowitzki, who's 7 feet one.
I mean, we talk about Kobe's fall away, which was money and
MJ had that fall away and some others as well.
Now it's really all over the game, but Dirk Novitsky, the one
legged fall away from inside the pain was indefensible.
Maybe I'm just thinking of this. It just hit me.
Maybe, maybe I'm not, but maybe not.
Outside of Kareem Skyhook, maybe the most indefensible shot in
the history of basketball, nobody blocked it.
I didn't I didn't get to see prime Dirk.
I got to see Dirk playing with Luca like career kind of deal.
So my like when he, you know, kind of hit that mid range, it
was was it the kind of thing where it's like look even higher
than Lamarcus Aldridge levels of like it's going in 100% of the.
It's just pure dude. I mean, the rotation, the the
the spin, the mechanics, the disengagement from the defender,
like he would get to his spot and foul line extended even like
a little based on if they push him down there and and obviously
banged in a lot of threes as well.
But when he did that, that one foot fall away.
I mean, the arc, the rotation, the form, it was perfect.
It was it was indefensible. I don't I I'm sure somebody
blocked it. I don't remember ever seeing
somebody block it. Not to be a prisoner of the
moment, you know, at the overly hyperbolic.
I mean, you play basically 20 years, somebody blocked you shot
on a fall away, I'm sure. But man, oh, man, it was, it was
a thing of beauty and it was great.
And seven one guys weren't doing that each one.
Yeah. He's a good one.
Another good one. Durant not, and I wouldn't throw
him top ten. I would probably put him over AI
all time. Me too, me too.
Like he would crack a top 2025 sort of thing.
Absolutely. I just think the weird thing
with Durant is like, all right, everyone's going to recognize
and especially when he retires, that this dude was if not the
greatest score of all time. All this, I just think the
Warriors thing, and this is a dead horse of a point, it soured
his career, but it almost soured it to the point where like you
accept all the championships, but you're also just like it's
Kevin Durant. You don't really view him in the
same place legacy wise as a lot of these other grades.
That's fair. He's had a very transient career
and you're penalized for that nowadays.
I don't, I don't really care. I mean, listen what I have.
And I think Kevin Durant's, I mean, he's he might very well
might be the best pure scorer of all time.
I mean, if somebody were sitting around having beers in a bar and
there's ten of us talking and you know, six or seven guys say
no matter how old they are, K DS the best pure scorer of all
time. I got I got no real push back.
I might throw one or two other names up there for context.
I think you can easily make that claim, but you know, when you
bounce around, you know, you just going to be perceived a
little differently. And you know, and listen, Kareem
played for the Bucks and he won with with Oscar Robertson as
well, but he was traded. It's different than willingly
going out and seeking better situations like LeBron did,
which is why I penalize. I also don't think he's as good
as Jordan, but I penalize guys in terms of a championship, even
though I hate the term legacy as I perceive them in totality.
If you had to jump around and recruit your boys to come and
get you a championship, you know, I'm sorry.
You're not Jordan. You're just not the other thing
too. Did you now?
There's no way you would know about this.
Speaking of Kevin Durant, do a little Google search right now.
Kevin Durant and your buddy me, do a little search there.
This was wild, dude. This was ridiculous at what I
got pulled into with Kevin Durant.
It's right. Listen, I'll set it up as you're
looking for it. Kevin Durant and sports host
radio host Brandon Teeny. I've had notable, contentious
interactions on social media. Yeah, yeah.
Let's see. Nets.
Kevin Durant.
Is it? Is this a Bleach Report article?
Yeah, that's Kevin Durant. RIP's host on Twitter.
There's a million sign with Nix. Yeah, you can use that one,
right. So, so basically the genesis was
this is when I was still a big Carmelo fan, right?
So, and I'll never forget this. It was, well, not a huge Carmelo
fan because it was kind of at the end of this point, but it
was at the end. But things have changed a little
bit. I respect them.
Great score, another great score as well.
Anyway, I'm, I'll never forget this right before COVID and we
went to a local, we just kind of moved into town.
We were here about a year and a half, and there's a Division 2
university basically down the street from us, right?
And kids were young, you know, obviously getting into sports a
little bit. And I knew that that would be a
path that our family's all about that.
So we went, me and the kids and my wife got some popcorn, went
to watch some Division 2 basketball.
And I'm doing the show with Tiki at this point, right?
What year was it? Wait, what?
Maybe it was before that. What year was it?
Give me the year again. I'm looking at 2020 right now.
Yeah, that's what I thought. All right.
Like beginning of 20 January 8th, 2020, you said Nets win
seven straight, no one cares. Nets who's seven straight, no
one cares, he said. And then you said speaks
volumes, he said. What does it say?
OK, yes, so I'm at the game and there's maybe 300 people.
They were having popcorn. Great night, right?
And my producer for me and Tiki on the national show name is
Diesel. Great guy, nicknamed Diesel.
Good dude, still doing stuff for the business, really good guy.
And he hits me up and he's like, yo, he's like, did you see what
K DS, K DS coming at you? He's like, light him up, destroy
him. It'll be good for the show.
I'm like, oh God, like I'm not a radio beef guy.
I'm I don't start trouble. I really, I don't look for
trouble. I don't start trouble.
I don't disparage people. I mean, I'll be honest if
somebody asked me somebody, but I don't.
I'm not into gossip and all that nonsense, bullshit.
I can't stand that actually. I think people that really do
that really just don't have a whole lot to say about sports.
And I wanted to be a sportscaster with obviously a
lot of ways to turn into other stuff and have fun organically,
but I'm not a shit stir in that regard anyway.
So I was going to go at him and eviscerate him.
And I think if I recollect correctly, somebody, maybe even
Kevin himself wrote something about the Nets.
I, I don't the genesis was something about the Nets, right?
And the Knicks sucked. And I thought the Knicks were
going to get KD. And I was a little pissed off.
So I wrote back something along the lines of quote tweeted
somebody, maybe him. Nets win seven straight, Nets
lose 7 straight. Nobody cares.
Something what? What does that say about the
existence of the Nets? Something like that.
Right, that that was it. That was it.
Again, read it good. Hold on, the article just
disappeared but. It was.
Don't worry about. That it was Nets win seven
straight, nobody cares. Nets lose 7 straight, nobody
cares. And then you go like, what does
that say? And then Kevin Durant responds,
and he goes, What does it say? Boom, now look for some of the
other stuff. Now you got in because now we go
back and forth and now I'm like, I've now I'm like, all right.
I think I said something along the lines of say whatever you
will, cuz I think at that point people know I wasn't a big
Carmelo fan. He didn't win whatever.
And he's a little selfish for me with the Lynn stuff and not
being in great shape, not playing defense.
And so I wrote something, but I defended.
I'm like, at least Carmelo had the guts to try to make.
To try to elevate the Knicks like you didn't even have the
gut. Something like that.
Am I, am I on? Am I on to it?
Well, you, there's, I'm getting you said.
Whenever you grow tired of tweeting, hop on New York radio.
I think true fans deserve some answers being that the last few
months have been interesting and he just goes no.
That's right. And then he even wrote back at
some point. He's like, he actually felt good
about this. He wrote there.
I mean, it was back and forth all night.
There's like 7 tweets. There's a lot.
And then he wrote at one point he's like, yeah, I know you got
your little, you got your little medium where you got your little
platform. Like hey, I'm like, hey,
recognize the platform. Ain't that little?
There we go. There's something like that.
So I that that was just a little sidebar with Kevin Durant.
And listen, if I wanted to make it bigger and bigger and bigger,
like I could have been this disrespectful, but I'm not about
that. Like I wasn't trying to
disrespect Kevin Durant, but that.
But we didn't know about the burner accounts at this point
and all that stuff. Yeah, man, I mean, if you, if
you had that kind of ammo now, things could have been good.
Things could be a little different.
I, I wonder if that stuff's real.
You know, I, I, I'd, I'd be led to believe that it's true about
all these burner accounts, But you know, I'd like to also give
him the benefit of the doubt sometimes and be like, man, this
guy, there's no way this guy is disparaging every single one of
his team mates in like Twitter DMS and stuff.
That's like, I don't know what's you know with him.
It very well might be. I don't know, but he hasn't.
I mean, I don't know if that was me and those things were being
attributed to like, say if there was an uncovering of an account
and people surmised it was me and I'm still a WFAN and I'm
throwing shade at everybody. I mean, I know what I would do
if it wasn't me. I would vehemently denounce.
It deny it. He has not.
He has not What? That's the point.
That's interesting, you know so anyway, so it probably a little
truth in there if he didn't shoot it down at Avery Summit.
Duncan was the most humble and underrated old timer that that
very well might be true. Pop screamed at him like he was
a rookie, fully bought into Pop system, played for one team and
humbly transitioned into into role players.
He ate. That's right.
And David Robinson kind of did the same thing as well with
early Duncan where, you know, Tim where, where, where David
Robinson transitioned and, and understood that the passing of
the mantle was important. And he willingly because David
Robbins is that kind of guy. When you go to the Naval Academy
and your class act like David Robinson is and forever will be
and not to mention a great player, you know, you're going
to do the right thing where, you know, somebody like has kind of
not to take a shot at Carmelo, but Jeremy Lin, you know, drops
40 on the Lakers. And Jeremy Lin has a good week.
And Carmelo's not feeling it because you get fewer shots and
you get a little bit less of the shine.
And to me, it was a good thing that the Knicks found the player
and Carmelo was selfish and, you know, he kind of, he kind of
sabotaged it. So that's one of my beasts with
Carmelo. Not many beasts, but that's
really the main one. No, I mean definitely anything
else. It happened.
I've got one thing yo, you grab it real well.
Two things actually. The best comments, but real
quick. What are you doing?
Watching. All right, all right.
What are you, Captain? What the hell is that?
Who is that? Jason Tatum tonight.
Tonight. Good night.
This guy, look at that guy. I mean, getting pop.
What? What was that, a bobble head?
It's a Funko Pop. It's a yeah, Funko Pop.
I'm not a bobble head guy. I've got, I've got 212 in my
office. I've got one of Luke Hornaseka
and I've got one of Rick. I've got one of Mullen as well.
But doing some stuff around the office, I had to put it over
there for a minute, but I'm not about like some people like Joe
Beningo loves bobbleheads. I know Sal likes him too.
He's got a ton and like some of these people I, I laugh at and
I'm, I'm not making fun of them. I just don't get the appeal.
I mean, do what you got to do, do you?
But you'll see like bobblehead, my Mets and like, and I think
the Yankees do it too. I'm not 100% sure.
Like people race to get tickets for a fucking piece of plastic.
Come on little Jalen Brunson holding a Door Dash bag.
I don't understand. That I love that.
One why though? They're like little tchotchkes
that are $0.37 to make and they just take up space.
To me they look sloppy. Yeah, I have a nice.
Clean look myself. It's definitely just a little
bit of like keeping a bit of your childhood with you.
It's kind of, it reminds me of like they're like kind of like
little, not really baseball cards because they're a little
more like toyish. Yeah, but for.
Sure, for sure. All right.
I got one more question before we do those that other thing you
have here. So you mentioned childhood.
I don't think that your generation was as into it.
Did you have posters hanging up on the wall in your in your
bedroom? You have a lot of.
Posters, so not a ton, but I had a good amount of fatheads.
But they I had let's see which sports ones I had.
I had John Cena. I had Rey Mysterio when I was a
kid and then as I got older, this one was weird.
I had like, did. Did you ever watch Walking Dead?
No, but I know about it. I had a big Rick Grimes like
Norman Reedus with him holding like a crossbow.
Oh. My God, that's an interesting
look into the childhood bedroom of this guy God, I had posters
plastered everywhere. That's going to be in other
content. So I've got the sneakers.
This is all stuff will drop as as we move forward here.
My top ten sneakers I'm. In some mic.
Issues real quick, I am where you are I'm.
Coming from year end, but I think you're good.
I think mine is just glitching out.
Well, keep good, keep going for. One SEC I'm a reboot.
My studio yeah, I mean better better you than me.
I mean let's let's call for what it is here.
Jay Roth is going to be Mike issues.
I'd rather you have them than me.
But I'm also going to do a an additional content drop with the
my favorite posters. Man.
I mean, to me there was nothing like I even had posters hanging
up in college, although like Bo Jackson where all the different,
like he had a pair of shoulder pads on and maybe holding a
tennis racket, you know, Bonos everything, a baseball, I don't
know, Javelin, maybe whatever he had.
And then all Mattingly stuff and Ewing and some Jordan stuff and
Oh my God, I absolutely posters were you don't see him as much.
Like when I would go to buy sneakers, ironically, they would
always have like this. Great.
You know, rack that you would just kind of if you if you're
old another like you kind of push through it like in a metal
like in a metal frame and it would connect it to the wall and
you just go I'm like app got that got that.
Oh, I got to get that. Got that, got that.
Anyway, go ahead, Jay, you good? Yeah.
Yeah, Mike's all good. It was just like, I think my my
headphones were cutting out or something like that.
Good man. So what's this new one?
This new thing that. You got here.
I mean, I think just been going through the comments honestly
just like cracking up like every week, every episode.
I just think you guys are very funny and so I compiled some of
my favorites from this week. You know, gonna just try to keep
doing it. Go through next.
Week. I like it.
So here's the first one. Here's the first one we'll go
through. Keep it up.
Look at the graphics. All right, Let me read here.
Art. Art.
Dan Danvale. Danvale.
There you go. I think this kid might have been
me. Oh, I was only four years old.
And I kicked the and I kicked the crap out of you.
According to my memory of this. That's got to be.
It's got to be in response to Michael Kay's story with his dad
saying if you don't go downstairs and beat the shit out
of here, and I'm just wondering, I'm gonna beat the shit out of
here. That's got to be that, right?
Yeah, And I'm wondering, is it could it really be true?
Could this really be the guy who got into the beef with Michael
Kay? My other thing that was funny
was four years old. Well, dude, look at this dude of
called Michael Kay of four years old.
No way. You better get downstairs.
So. No, no, I thought that.
Was a good little troll. OK.
Listen, I don't think that Mike was, you know, I believe the
story from going down to try to handle business and I to text
him a follow up and I'm going to get to that in a second.
I mean, Michael K was not running around the Bronx
throwing hands. I mean, so and, and, and it like
often I, I don't think, and even if that when I don't think that
that's true, that this is the guy that he actually fought when
he came downstairs. I mean, you're not going to let
you, Michael couldn't have been a whole lot old.
You're not going to send a 12 year old to go fight a four year
old. So there's no way you're going
to let your 4 year old go there or five year old go downstairs
without you in the Bronx or anywhere really.
No way. There's no way.
So no, I don't think it was him. I did text Michael, and I never
got the verdict, and that's my bad.
As good as the interview was, I never followed up and asked him
if he won. So let me see him.
Yeah, I got the response from Kay.
Hang on. I gotta pull it up.
This was yesterday, and I had to text him something this morning.
Where is he? Where is he?
All right, all right, all right. He goes.
Oh, I wrote him. I said, hey, by the way, we
never got the verdict. Did you win the fight or did you
lose? He says.
I think we fought to a tie until we were separated.
Oh, that's funny. By the way, the separation
wasn't a bad thing. You're huffing and puffing.
You kind of hoping somebody's high.
Can you get us out of here? But let's also call them for
what it is. You know, I, I, I had a couple
of scraps I probably won't have. I probably lost a few more than
I won over my life, right? Admittedly, probably, you know,
last ball was a couple of real ones in college and did all
right, but it's been a lot while and I'm not tough.
I'm not trying to present that at all, but of if I had 1012
real fights in my life, there's no way any was a draw.
Yeah, no, kind of. Fights a drug, at least someone
got the upper hand and. That's what I'm saying.
Even if it was like no one you know clearly got lost or
destroyed, at least someone got one good hit in where?
That's what I'm saying. Listen, somebody's on top of the
other kid, somebody's got a bloody nose, somebody's got a
black guy, somebody's shirt is over if you're a hockey fighter.
All right, I got to get going. So hit me with the other one or
two. What do you?
Got Here's the Here's a Here's another one.
His superpower requires rest. No one else other than Aaron
Glenn. My future Hall of Fame coach,
Aaron Glenn, there were a lot of people who who now say he wasn't
sleeping. I know Evan went on a rant about
that. Hey, I I thought he was
sleeping. So whatever somebody else sees,
that's what you see. You know, it looked that you
know, and could he have been looking at his phone?
I guess, but the way he this what gives it away to me, like
if you looking at your phone and you and you find out that you're
on camera, right, you know, you might you can go like this,
right, But I think he was kind of like this.
So maybe he's holding the phone here and he's like this.
You're not going to be like like there was like such AI don't
know like an an inability to process where he was at that
point. Yeah, like when you get caught
sleeping in class. No, literally like when your
teacher when like I I definitely had it happen to me a couple
times in middle school where they go Jared and you go.
Yeah. What's going on?
Yep. Yep.
All right. So I think he was sleeping,
despite what anybody said. What else?
Third. One second to last, I'll go to
the live show if Carl Banks put Sal in a headlock a la Nolan
Ryan and Robin Ventura. That's a.
Good. That's a good one.
You know what's funny about that?
You know my in laws were at that game in Texas.
Yeah, man, it was the IT was, it was the old Arlington State and
not obviously not what's it called?
Globe light, whatever it is now. Not the beautiful ballpark
before that, which I think is nicer than the one they have
now. The one before that with like
Raffy and Pete and Kaveli and those guys.
Obviously Nolan Ryan and The funny thing about that and my
father-in-law, you know, was there with my mother-in-law and
Robin Ventura gets clowned for that because of 43 or whatever
he was put him in a headlock and he just kept bang like he was
like getting like he was, I don't know, throwing a piece of
rope around a steer on the farm, basically how we treated him.
But if you actually watch that whole fight, Ventura got a
couple of licks in really OK, He did, he did, he did.
I'm not saying like shots to the chin on on Nolan Ryan, but I
don't know if he got punked the way it's presented all these
years later. And hey, listen, if if it's
going to make it a sell out and so those so those extra tickets,
I think Sal might go full old school WWE.
He might even blade himself if we get out put getting put in
the headlock. He might cut himself and get a
little blood trick went down on the forehead.
Sal's down for anything. So much we need.
A real show. And then here's #4 just a quick
one. This was during BT story.
BT tore his Achilles and snapped out the Matrix.
This was like when you were describing like the scene of
like time stopped. Like, I just thought that was
just like such a funny descriptor.
It did. It was I told you that was the
other day. I was playing hoops going up for
three. I was playing in some league in
Manhattan, the urban, the men's urban professional league went
up for three things snapped and I got to go.
But the story, I thought I got fouled and as I'm coming down
and in my mind for like a whatever minuscule determination
of time is nanosecond, I don't know.
I process, I'm like, oh, good, I got foul.
I got 3 and I was a good foul shooter.
I got 3 foul shots coming. And then all of a sudden as I'm
coming down, I look on the baseline, the referee's just
there with the whistle in his mouth like this not moving.
And I'm like, I, I didn't and I, I, I'm like, I, I didn't get
foul. What happened?
Bang, hit the floor. And then the story goes as the
story goes. So.
All right, J Rod, really good end to the week here, man.
Yeah. Have fun tonight.
Can you give me the 20 seconds? What we got cooking tonight?
We got. Got my friends birthday party so
let's have you know starting off at the dinner at 6:30 and then
going out to the bars. So also not a house party?
No, you guys don't do house parties anymore, right?
Yeah, I mean, I guess it in like it really depends.
Like I, you know, I've been to some house parties for birthdays
in New York thus far, but it's mainly the go out to a bar
thing. I just I gotcha.
It's easy. What bar are you going to?
What part of the city? I know you're a lower side.
Lights prospect height. You go to public.
Yeah, I'm a Bushwick guy. Oh, I know.
But yeah, yeah, Prospect Heights, my friend, he's like,
you know, he's a little bit down DeKalb.
He's a he's like Franklin and. Something, Frank, what you
mentioned the cow, that was one of the stops on the train that I
was talking about the other day. Really.
Cow Babe the. Queue.
Yes. Dude, I get out there to go to
work every single day. Every single day.
That was my train. Yeah, we talked about it.
Yeah. I mean, house back in the day.
House party. It was nothing better than a
house party. Parents.
Those are the most parents around to.
Me, I I love God still, just like the party where, you know,
even the apartment. I just think and that's where
really where you meet people. Yes, What's great about a party?
House music all night long. Say what?
I got to tell you the story at some point.
Not now when I threw my one and only house party in high school.
Oh man. And I got caught.
It would started with maybe 7-8 of my buddies, you know, nagging
a few beers back, kicking like knuckleheads, hanging around.
And I don't know how word spread.
Before I knew it and I was in Flatbush.
There were people from Bay Ridge.
There were people from Rockaway. There, there, there must have
been 100 people in my house. It was, it was a disaster, bro.
I thought my dad was going to put me through the.
I was, you know, I, I was scared of it.
I I got I'll tell you the full story some other day.
Yeah. Wow.
I mean, we'll talk about a brazen move slash idiotic on my
part Good God. All right, Jay, let me bounce,
brother. Everybody out there appreciate
you guys. You know that great, great,
great week. I know you really enjoyed the
case stuff. Rick Pitino coming up Monday at
2:00 here on our lease. I've got hopefully the Greca on
Tuesday, Big East tournament coming up next week and then of
course, election Sunday. I'm going to drop Sunday night
here on the show as different con not live different.
Just it'll be a premier content kind of thing.
My old time Big East team starting 57 reserves, 10 honor
mentions all-encompassing from 79 to now.
It is going to be absolutely phenomenal.
I can't wait to get because I know this disagreements.
Obviously there's going to be some glaring omissions that you
think I messed up. That'll be fun.
We'll get after it. What else?
We'll hit 18,000 Subs hopefully by today, but certainly by the
end of the weekend. We're cruising toward 20.
It's AI mean it's a lock by baseball season 20,000.
That's a given. And I'm hoping for 25.
That might be a little ambitious by first pitch Yankees, Giants
out there in San Francisco, but you never know with you guys.
I'm not going to I'm not going to put anything past you.
Why not? Good luck to WBC tonight, USA
tonight, Team USA play in Brazil.
So let's go judgey. Captain Harper and those cats,
all those Corbin, Carroll, Schwarz, all those dudes, bring
it home. Let's try to win this thing.
Have an awesome weekend. I'll be at Johnny Cedar Hall
tonight calling that with Mink. So if I see you at the arena,
make sure you come up, say hi. Give me a little DAP, especially
if you're an unleashed guy. So enjoy the rest of your
Friday. I got a bounce.
Have a great weekend and we will see you soon.
Peace. listening?