1 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:11,640 This is on leash. Are you listening? 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:12,560 Can you hear me? Hear me. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,160 This is on leash. Are you listening? 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,120 Can you hear me? Hear me. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,640 This is on leash. Are you listening? 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Can you hear me? Hear me. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,160 This is on leash. Are you listening? 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,080 Can you hear me? Hear me. 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,920 This is. On leash are. 10 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,440 You listening? All right, what's going on, 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,120 everybody? BT unleashed with you on this. 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,280 What do we got today? J Rod, a little Tuesday and we 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,520 got a good one for you today. Donnie's going to join me in a 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,800 little bit. I'm looking forward to having 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,160 Don on the show. He's an absolute wild man. 16 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Probably a little more calculated than you think. 17 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,760 I mean, these viral rants that Don has put out over the years. 18 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,200 But you know, he is, he's actually, he's really smart guy, 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,760 really funny guy, really good guy. 20 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,840 So we'll get into a bunch of things, maybe a Little Rock and 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,640 roll versus rap. Donnie's going to hit us 22 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,720 probably about 15 minutes or so. I can't wait. 23 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,360 So here I got, I got to tell you, man, I I just don't listen 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,800 to the radio that much anymore. And I don't say that as a knock 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,960 because I no longer work at WFANI. 26 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Even when I was working at WFAN, when I would get in my car to 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,560 drive in and I've given you my routine, it's come up in the 28 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,320 past, but very quickly, you know, I would, I would not get a 29 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:19,120 cup of coffee. I would drive in. 30 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,120 I'd navigate the Holland Tunnel, complete pain in the ass. 31 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,960 And along the way I would always put on the station. 32 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,400 I would like to get Jerry's update that that was always 33 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,600 pretty good. And then, you know, bounce 34 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,320 around a little music, a little politics. 35 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,160 And then on the way home, you know, after emptying the tank 36 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,240 for four hours with with with with Lunatic Sal, you know, last 37 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,120 thing I wanted to do is really get into more sports radio. 38 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,560 You know, if there was a big interview coming up on Evan and 39 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Tiki, whatever, I might keep them on for a little bit. 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:45,960 It was never a knock on the station. 41 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,720 I just, I wanted to detach myself a little bit and even 42 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,480 obviously a little bit more now, But I was running around 43 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,480 yesterday and I was flipping on both stations, right? 44 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,920 Oh my God almighty, the the amount of, of, of craziness and 45 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,160 idiocy from people is just off the charts. 46 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 And I'm not really even talking about the hosts. 47 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,639 I'm talking about the callers. All right, so big NFL day. 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Obviously Malik Willis was never going to The Jets. 49 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,320 So the Dolphins get their guy and now 2 was going to Atlanta 50 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,800 and all these spinning wheels of, of, of football awesomeness 51 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,360 and craziness. It really was a fun day. 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,560 I heard so much yesterday. You, you, you started getting 53 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,600 now a lot of Geno Smith and Carson Wentz. 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,400 Carson Wentz and Geno Smith. Well, maybe The Jets bring in 55 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,880 both. Maybe they bring in one. 56 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,760 Maybe they draft Ty Simpson. Maybe they do what the Giants 57 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,400 did a year ago, which is what I mean by maybe bringing in both. 58 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:42,040 Either way, do you guys understand that the evaluation 59 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,000 of Geno Smith, which which I'm hearing now it's it's it's real, 60 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,040 it's embarrassing. It's it's ludicrous actually, 61 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,080 because so many of the people and now I'm talking to about a 62 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,080 couple of hosts, I won't mention the names, but now people who 63 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,960 are complaining about Gino right, all The Jets, do you 64 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,480 really think that they watched every snap when he was playing 65 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,360 for The Jets? Some of them they have. 66 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,520 But I can promise you that I did all right. 67 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,960 And I can also promise you and I had to write down the list. 68 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,480 It's not a short list here, guys, right. 69 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,720 How to write down a list here since Gino got popped in the 70 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,200 face by by IK and eventually was sent packing right? 71 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:20,160 I have watched these guys play football. 72 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:26,920 McCown, Bryce Petty, Young, Darnold, Falk, Trevor, Simeon, 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,280 Flacco. Of course he was watched with us 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,760 and then with other teams. He played well. 75 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,280 The circus that was Zach Wilson. Mike White can spin it, sure. 76 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Jimmy Boyle can spin it, sure. A hobbled Aaron Rodgers, Justin 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,200 Fields who can't throw a 10 yard straight, Tyrod Taylor, capable 78 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,640 backup, whatever. And Brady Coke, who may be the 79 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,680 worst Jets quarterback that I've ever laid my eyes on. 80 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,440 Maybe I said it like a Brooks Bollinger back in the day. 81 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,160 And and why I preface it in the way I jump into the conversation 82 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,280 the way I did is because I think many of you are being led by 83 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,120 emotion. Those of you who are opposing 84 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Geno Smith, I'm not hearing. At least I didn't hear 85 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,640 yesterday. I wasn't listening the whole 86 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,960 day. To be fair, I'm not hearing. 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Well, he can't play. He's inaccurate. 88 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,080 He's horrendous. Even though he didn't have a 89 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,000 great season. Admittedly, what I'm hearing is 90 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,040 I can't do it again. Oh God, Gino, we already did 91 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,240 this. It is a it is a baseless 92 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,600 argument really to me to to look at Geno Smith and and his his 93 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,040 first little foray with The Jets and to use that as a deterrent 94 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,800 to not want him to come back. Because I promise you, I promise 95 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,160 you now I'm not getting on the top of the mouth and saying that 96 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,960 The Jets will suddenly be really good and that Gino's going to 97 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,520 throw 35 touchdowns. He's not He's not that guy. 98 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,240 But what Geno Smith would bring right away, I promise you this 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,800 is something outside of when Rogers was actually under center 100 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,200 would be capable, intelligent quarterback play. 101 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,240 And here's there's something you got to understand, right? 102 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,920 So I'll vote for it. I mean, if you can't figure this 103 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,680 out yet, I would love for Geno Smith to come here only because 104 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,400 of the options. Now, I told you Malik Willis to 105 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,840 me was much more interesting. I think he's going to be a star. 106 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,200 I want to know part of two, you know, Carson Wentz. 107 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,840 I mean, there's a chance he's going to be here. 108 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,040 I don't want him, but I think there's a chance he's going to 109 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,760 be here. Anyway, the point is there's a 110 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,640 dearth of options. There's just not really a lot of 111 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,240 stuff to do. So I've got to weigh that and my 112 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,040 energy about the entire Geno experience, and I've got to 113 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,360 strip away the emotion and I've got to come to the conclusion, 114 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,440 can he play or can he not? And Geno Smith is is at the very 115 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,040 least an average NFL quarterback. 116 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,480 He's going to throw a high completion percentage. 117 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,400 And Oh yeah, by the way, he's going to be playing behind a 118 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,920 much better offensive line. I was doing some digging this 119 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,720 morning, right? And there's a lot of different 120 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,760 outlets that do this. But so PFF last year had the 121 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,240 Raiders literally, literally graded as the worst offensive 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,160 line. Now The Jets lost Simpson ABT 123 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,760 has gone to the Pats. Of course. 124 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,560 I didn't think he was going to stay. 125 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,800 I was kind of hoping maybe they would figure out like a one year 126 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,520 deal. But if he got a lot of money, 127 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,040 you knew that he had to go and he was going to go. 128 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,240 I don't blame him. But where are the other options, 129 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:03,920 man? You want to watch? 130 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,480 Do you want to watch Derek Carr play football? 131 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:06,720 I don't want to watch Derek Carr. 132 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,280 I don't want to watch any of these guys. 133 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,280 I really don't even, I swear, don't even want to watch Geno 134 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,040 Smith. I don't but think about those 135 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,680 names. I just hit you with guys. 136 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:21,600 McCown, Petty, Luke Falk, Trevor Simeon, Come on. 137 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,840 I mean, Mike White, Timmy Boyle. Timmy can spin it. 138 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,760 How did I say that? You know, Brady Cook, I mean, 139 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,000 the guy's going to go under center, all right, with a good 140 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,520 old line if if he's the answer. And I actually think that he 141 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,680 will be right with a good running back, actually 2 good 142 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,960 running backs, a good offensive line, you know, Garrett Wilson, 143 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,080 pretty decent receiving tight end record. 144 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,720 And I'm again, I'm not saying that this is like going to get 145 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,360 The Jets from here to there, but to me, the gross 146 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,920 misrepresentation of of who Geno is. 147 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,120 I mean, sometimes I listen to some stuff. 148 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,160 I'm like, does anybody watch football anymore? 149 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,320 Like, does anybody know what they're talking about anymore? 150 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,120 My good God, like there's no other options. 151 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,440 The guy threw for 30 of what, 3000 yards? 152 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,000 67 ish percent percent completion percentage? 153 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,880 Compare that to what you watched last year. 154 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,880 He would be an upgrade. That's all I'm saying. 155 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,560 So I don't want to get preachy. I don't want to yell out of the 156 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,640 chute. I don't like to yell about 157 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,040 things that aren't really that important. 158 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,520 But I mean, this is kind of important because I think so 159 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,720 many of you are being LED around by like by the nose or by the 160 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,520 tail, by a narrative that I don't give a shit about. 161 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,960 I don't care that Gino wasn't that good with The Jets. 162 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,640 I don't care that a teammate came up and popped them in the 163 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,160 chin. I don't care. 164 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,560 What I care about is bridging the gap of probably one or two 165 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,440 more years of pathetic football, right? 166 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Bridging the gap with somebody who could at least look at 11 167 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,040 guys in front of them and have a freaking clue in terms of 168 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,800 diagnosing what they're about to try to do to him. 169 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,720 So that's it. Again, he's not going for 35 T 170 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,640 DS and top five in the MVP. You know, he had a couple of 171 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,240 good years, but Seattle, no question. 172 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 And he rehabilitated his image. Evidently not enough for the Jet 173 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,360 fan to want him. So as I parse this and I get to 174 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,560 my guy, Donnie here, Can't wait to have Donnie on in a second. 175 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,120 the IT make me I want to make sure I'm clear. 176 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,200 It's not that I want Gino. It's not that I'm chasing Gino. 177 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,600 It's not that I'm craving Gino. I'm just waiting against the 178 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,600 other circumstance. I don't want to watch Carson 179 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Wentz. I know, I know, I know that 180 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Gino's better than Carson Wentz. So I start there. 181 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,320 Like if somebody else enters the hopper, then I'll say, all 182 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,679 right, is Gino better than like if somebody gets unexpectedly 183 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,480 cut, is Gino better than that guy? 184 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,280 Then I'll reevaluate. I'll reevaluate it that way, but 185 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,760 my God, I mean, everybody whining A bitching a Mona Gino 186 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,280 this, Gino that, please. He'd be like Joe Nevis compared 187 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,960 to some of the scrubs that we've watched for a while. 188 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,400 All right, without further ado. This guy's a legend, man. 189 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,000 It really is. And and I love him. 190 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,040 He's really good at his job. He's a really good dude. 191 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,440 He's absolutely out of his fucking mind that I say that in 192 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,520 a really good way. He's smart, you know, don't let 193 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,640 those rants fool you. This guy's a smart dude. 194 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,600 And he's now actually doing his dream job along with the radio, 195 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,920 the voice of the devils on TV. So it is an honor or welcome to 196 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,160 unleash what we got. We had Sal, we had K, we have 197 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,040 Pitino, my 4th guest, Donald, the Greg and Donnie. 198 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,120 Let's go look at this guy. What's up, Donnie? 199 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,000 How are you man? Good to see you again, brother. 200 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:25,960 Yeah, man. Good. 201 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Good to have you. I appreciate you doing this. 202 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,840 I know you were running around this morning. 203 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,840 You had some appointments. So I appreciate you squeezing in 204 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,400 to me, Donnie. I don't, I don't look at this as 205 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,840 an interview. I look at this as a 206 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,600 conversation. I'd love to just kind of, you 207 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,200 know what I'm saying, catch up on stuff. 208 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,840 So I'm going to hit you with this. 209 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,800 You know, we talk about Donnie Baseball, right? 210 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Donnie Bucks to me is one of the coolest nicknames that I feel 211 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,840 like it's gone away a little bit. 212 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,160 I think it was really used a lot back in the day. 213 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Number one who gave that to? Was that K? 214 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,760 No, it was the Wally Matthews. It was Wally. 215 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Yeah. Wow. 216 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Oh my God, Wally, 50 days. Yeah, Wally's a great dude. 217 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,600 One of my favorite people. Me too, me too. 111 of the only 218 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,280 people that wanted to punch me in the face and I still love 219 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,520 him. What do you? 220 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,360 Well, listen, one thing about Wally, you know, if if he 221 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,280 threatens to punch you, there's a good chance he might. 222 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,720 Oh, listen, he's, you know, just ask you Jim Rome, right? 223 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Like he's, he's at his moment. Well, we we had a contest back 224 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,120 in the day where it was, you know, like the morning show 225 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,720 would give a phrase those the phrase of the day, the. 226 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,640 Phrase that's original. Yeah, real original stuff. 227 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,440 And and then, and then you had to repeat the phrase in the 228 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,960 afternoon and Wally and the Keig was the show. 229 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,800 And so in the morning was Mike and Mike. 230 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,600 But the localization that I did, I was the one that had to read 231 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,960 the phrase and for whatever reason, I read the phrase wrong. 232 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,800 So I don't know why, because maybe it was 6:00 in the morning 233 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,360 and you know, I, I didn't go to bed till like 3:00 the night 234 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,280 before. And so when they read the 235 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,560 phrase, you know, the guy called up and read the phrase that I 236 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,200 had said. They said he was wrong. 237 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,560 And it caused the whole big controversy. 238 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,920 And and Kevin Graham, who was the program director of the 239 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,560 time. I love Kev, he hired me. 240 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Instead of saying you screwed up, Yep, he humiliates me by 241 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,520 like putting the the paper in front of me says read this and I 242 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,960 read it and he's like, well, you read it wrong in the morning. 243 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Oh. Boy. 244 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 So like, well, you could have done that nice or whatever. 245 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,040 But yeah, he got fired soon after he did. 246 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,080 And then and while he found out that I screwed up, he's like, 247 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,760 next time I see Donnie, I'm going to punch him right in the 248 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,280 face. He was a boxer, he was a gold 249 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:36,840 he. Was. 250 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,840 But, you know, then I saw him and we hugged it out. 251 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,640 But like, he's one of those guys, like, in the moment, yeah. 252 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,840 Yeah, for sure. A postscript to that story just 253 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,960 to show you like the loyalty of a wife. 254 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:51,560 To this day, my wife can't stand Wally Matthews. 255 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,960 For that, I long forgave him. I forgave him 20 years ago. 256 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,640 But Nancy wouldn't let it go. Oh my. 257 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:00,120 Well, listen. Hell, my wife holds grudges too. 258 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,760 I mean, who's up there? She she'd get everybody in WFAN, 259 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,680 slap them right now. I can, I can imagine she, but 260 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,480 you're like no, no, no, you imagine you just having to stop 261 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,680 her from getting mad, you know? I bet Toddie I'd be like this. 262 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:13,480 No, no, really, honey, don't. No. 263 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,920 No, go ahead. No, no, we don't want go go 264 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,080 good. Yeah, yeah, right. 265 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,080 All right, so the let let, let let me get let me go here. 266 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,920 So I and again, I know you for a long time. 267 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,800 You mentioned Nancy. I was at your wedding. 268 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,960 Was that O 505? Yes, it was O5I remember, you 269 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,800 had a big either a devil's logo or the Stanley Cup made out of 270 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,120 ice, Right the. Stanley Cup. 271 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,120 We had two ice sculptures. She had, I think it was a three 272 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,680 for like she loved Dale Earnhardt or, or and then there 273 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,640 was there was this the Stanley Cup? 274 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Yeah. So we went all had had fun with 275 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:45,640 that. Yeah. 276 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,720 So early, Don and I've seen the pictures right when you do like 277 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,440 college radio, the long hair like it like to me, and now this 278 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,760 is it was a little different like in Brooklyn and Jersey. 279 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,200 And I love like Iron Maiden, Ozzie, you know that. 280 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,840 But I also listen to a lot of rap and I was maybe a little 281 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,960 more soft like with Def Leppard. You went to that hard stuff 282 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,360 growing up. But where I was from, the guy, 283 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,960 the guys that had the long hair and the dungaree jackets, they 284 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,280 were burnouts, bro. They, they, they were banging 285 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,000 back joints when they were in the 7th grade. 286 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,320 Seriously. And they were hammering beers. 287 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,680 You love the music. You look like a burnout, but you 288 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:21,520 weren't a burnout. You played baseball, right? 289 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,440 I played ball right up until I got cut from my college baseball 290 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,840 team, Ranfo College. I got cut. 291 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,880 I was just at Ramfo yesterday. They, they, the president of the 292 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,080 university interviewed me in front of students. 293 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,320 And I actually did Don Hunt and Rosenberg yesterday from the, 294 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,840 the radio station that I worked at when I went to school there. 295 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,880 It was really. That's cool, really emotional, 296 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:44,880 real. It was a real lot of fun. 297 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,320 Some stuff on social media about it. 298 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,560 Yeah. And I told the story. 299 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,720 I got cut and I walked right into the radio station after I 300 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,680 got cut. So I didn't get into because 301 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,080 because I, I was a jock, so I didn't smoke. 302 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,240 I didn't take drugs really, But I. 303 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,000 Really didn't take drugs, really. 304 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,680 I tried marijuana. I didn't get high and I didn't 305 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,080 like it. OK. 306 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,640 I tried a couple of other things and it wasn't for me. 307 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,880 I got you. I got. 308 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,240 You I tripped on acid once and I took mescaline. 309 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,120 And did that, did you actually trip a lot? 310 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,440 Like if the weed didn't hit you had a trip on that stuff. 311 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,800 Yeah, the, the, the, the Zodiac getting like stuck on this piece 312 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,920 of paper. And we went, we weren't roller 313 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,200 skating the Oakland roller rink. There was 1 moment where I was 314 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,680 like just skating in the corner because one of the disco balls 315 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,240 just had like a little tiny circle. 316 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,200 I can start skating there. And then there was a, there was 317 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,160 a, a game room and I played cuber. 318 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,000 Remember Cuber? I loved Cuber, right? 319 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,960 It was good. But instead of going, you know, 320 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,200 boink, boink, boink, boink, he's saying Don, Don, Don. 321 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,160 And I kept turning around like, who's calling my name? 322 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,080 I, I, but I just that I didn't even even drinking brain I, I 323 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,240 just don't like to not be in control. 324 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,240 And so I felt like that, you know, as fun as it might have 325 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,240 been, I'm like, you know, so listen, I was 1617 years old, 326 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,040 just trying different things and all that, you know, so as much 327 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,840 as I like to have a drink and all, I just, I, I, I never 328 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,640 really enjoyed like losing control like that. 329 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Understood. And and it's funny, this kind of 330 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,600 kind of leads me here because you say you don't like to lose 331 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,680 control. And those of us who do what we 332 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,720 do, we understand this, right? And you and I have always been 333 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,400 high energy, you know, especially when we were a little 334 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,880 bit younger. But even still now, for sure, 335 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,360 like rifle those points. And when you're in a rant or I'm 336 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,400 in a tirade, right, People think like we we we lack clarity. 337 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,520 It I don't know if this applies to you. 338 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,280 And some of your rants are some of the best rants in the history 339 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,560 of the business. I think, yeah, it's going to 340 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,640 explode your red like a tomato. You're going absolutely freaking 341 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,600 crazy. But even in those wacky moments, 342 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,000 I guarantee that you time almost slows down and you almost have 343 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,440 clarity. Does that make sense? 344 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,480 Do you? Do you know what I'm saying? 345 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,400 Yeah, there's, there's a, there's that kind of a zone you 346 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,960 get into. You don't zone out, but you kind 347 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,160 of just become hypersensitive to it because like I said, you want 348 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,560 to be in control. So as much as I'm outraged and 349 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,120 I'm screaming and and I listen, I'm not going to try to defend 350 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,080 it because it is what it is. I never make them up because if 351 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,120 I can make them up and the reaction they get, I do it every 352 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,960 day. I can't do it. 353 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,960 It's just that there's special moments and, and, and, and at 354 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,240 the end of the day, you want, you don't want to sound like an 355 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,840 idiot. You want to be able to be clear, 356 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,960 but at the same time you want to ride that passion. 357 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,280 It's like a roller coaster, right? 358 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,400 You want to be able to ride the wave, but at the same time kind 359 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,320 of keep it on the tracks at the same time. 360 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,040 So, but I, I look back at them and I, I kind of laugh like, 361 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,800 boy, that was just stupid because you're out of the 362 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,520 moment. Like, because once you get it 363 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,600 out of your system, you look back at it and you're like, why 364 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,680 did I get so upset about that? But in the moment, it made 365 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,760 perfect sense. It does to get upset, but. 366 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,360 You'll be you like, oh, every talk show host has what you want 367 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,760 to call a rant, you know, lose control. 368 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,520 Whatever. We all do it because I think if 369 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,640 you, we both are cut from the same mold where we just wear our 370 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,880 heart on our sleeve, you know? And it's not even about the 371 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,840 fandom. It's just that when we have an 372 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,920 opinion, we're passionate about it and we just can't, we just 373 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,200 can't help but express our passion for it. 374 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,680 And sometimes if you poke the bear a little bit too much like 375 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,319 a caller or maybe a Co host. You'll go and you. 376 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,960 Kind of. And you kind of lose it and it's 377 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,480 fun. It's embarrassing at times. 378 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,319 Like I wish I was known for something else. 379 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,720 Why, though, I think it's a good thing. 380 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,960 I think it to me, it encapsulates everything about 381 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,800 certainly New York sports radio. Don and I I want to hear your 382 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,880 reasoning behind that, but from the outside looking in and I 383 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,760 don't think that you just known for that, but I but I hear I 384 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,840 know what you mean. Like, OK, so if you're going to 385 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,040 be known for something, you known for really caring about 386 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,200 stuff, you know, delivering, not that you're looking chasing 387 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,360 viral moments, but these, these packaged, you know, 1 or 1 1/2 388 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:54,360 minutes of, of combustible insanity that very few people in 389 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,720 our business can recreate because they either don't have 390 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,520 the talent, honestly, or the passion or both to do it. 391 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,480 So why don't you, why don't you like being associated with that 392 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,560 to an extent? Well, because I, I think with 393 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,560 that comes the, the allegations of all you're, you're just, 394 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,520 you're just making it up. You know, you're faking because 395 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,680 like you said, now listen, sports radio is is not what it 396 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,400 used to be, you know, and you see, it's more like fan driven. 397 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,920 And I'm not the way I ever consider myself a journalist. 398 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,080 But you took pride in a really good interview or breaking some 399 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,480 news or coming up with a point nobody else thought of. 400 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,600 I mean, to me, that's classic sports radio. 401 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,160 And then occasionally you get into a rant, you get into a 402 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,520 debate, something like that. And now it feels like sometimes 403 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,880 because of the reaction that gets, it's like a great 404 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,680 interview's not gonna go viral. A great point's not gonna go 405 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,120 viral. What's gonna go viral? 406 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,760 What's gonna go viral and be screaming Ed Crane Pool or, you 407 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,680 know, yeah, Yeah. And so I don't think it's the 408 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,160 best thing that I do, OK. But a lot of people seem to 409 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,840 think so. So I guess that's the 410 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,400 difference. But it OK Devil games people 411 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:07,720 scream at Ed Crane Pool and it's a cool, It's cool, it's fun, but 412 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,400 I don't want it to define me, I guess. 413 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,640 And some people like, oh, you're the rant guy, but I guess it's 414 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,520 better than not being known for anything at all, right? 415 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,440 Understood. OK, So all those years that you 416 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,640 worked with Michael, right? I I know a little bit, but I 417 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,480 haven't been around you day-to-day and forever. 418 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,640 I mean, we were at the same station for 10 years or so. 419 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,760 Listen, Full disclosure, if I and I love Michael, I had 420 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,440 Michael on the show the other day, as you know, right. 421 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:37,520 And if I was you and all those years I was contributing to a 422 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,200 show the way that you did. I mean, you, you carry the mail 423 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,680 a lot. Like, Michael's great and 424 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 talented, but he would leave early, do Yankee stuff. 425 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,520 And, you know, Donnie slid right in and kept things moving. 426 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,640 I know it bothered you that your name wasn't on the show. 427 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,600 How many times? How many times did you bang on 428 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,480 management's door or your agent? Do it, guys. 429 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,040 What are we doing here? Yeah, not enough. 430 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,920 Not enough regrets I have. Not enough I I should have made. 431 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,240 I brought it up. But I should have been a little 432 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,960 bit more aggressive about it. And I got, I really felt like I 433 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,440 got jerked around a lot. Cuz I would go and I'd go to 434 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,160 management and they go, yeah, that's a good point, Don. 435 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,040 We should do something about it. And then nothing would ever get 436 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,080 done about it. And I'd go to Michael and, you 437 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,240 know, he would say, my, my hands are tied. 438 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,720 They don't want to change the name of the show. 439 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,040 And then I and it just never happened. 440 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:25,920 I should have been more aggressive. 441 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,000 I should have put my foot down. But you're living in the moment 442 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,560 and yeah, I was very happy to be a part of the show, and the show 443 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,480 is doing well. Making good money. 444 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,800 I didn't want to make it about me. 445 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,280 I didn't want to disrupt anything. 446 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,240 Yep. And but our 20th anniversary, we 447 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:47,280 had a big, we got a big theater in in, in Manhattan and we had, 448 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,080 I think there was, it held like 250 people and we packed the 449 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,600 place and it was a big anniversary. 450 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,440 It's the 20th anniversary of the Michael Kay Show. 451 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,760 I saw, I saw the clips. Yep. 452 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,800 And it was really great and we had some great guests. 453 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,120 Joe Torre was there. Bob Costas did a video thanking 454 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:01,640 us. It was real. 455 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,800 I was really prideful to be a part of that, to be a first 456 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,080 voice of the station and also be on the K show from the very 457 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,560 beginning, 20 years together, and they got Chris Russo to host 458 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,920 it. And I love Chris. 459 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,560 I've known Chris for 30 years and Chris hosted it and three 460 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,720 separate occasions. During the event on Mike, he 461 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 would turn and go. Donnie, I had no idea you were 462 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,160 such a big deal on the show. Come on. 463 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,880 And come on. And I thought about it like, 464 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,400 listen, he was on. When we're on, he doesn't listen 465 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,160 to the show. Can anybody that listen to the 466 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,800 show? Brandon knew how significant I 467 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,240 was on that show. I agree. 468 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,640 But on the outside looking in, yeah, you know, it's the Michael 469 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,960 Kay show. There's no other show in the 470 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,960 country where there's a Co host whose name is it on the show. 471 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,000 I agree. When you did you know you know 472 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,440 Steven did the show with Sal. It wasn't the Brandon Tierney 473 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,160 show. No, it was BT and Sal. 474 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,440 Right. And it was Mike and Mike and it 475 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,480 was Mike and Chris and you know, it is. 476 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,520 That's always the way it was and anybody else it was always 477 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,440 looked at the sidekick or the update guy that talked, which is 478 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,080 how it started morphed into me being a Co host and I would not 479 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,480 have been a Co host if it wasn't for Michael Kay. 480 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 Michael Kay talking to me. Michael Kay having confidence in 481 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,200 me. Michael Kay fighting for me when 482 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,920 Bristol didn't think I was the right fit or. 483 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,600 One of the yo-yo. Program directors came in and 484 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,640 said, you know, I don't know, he's just a hockey guy. 485 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,400 Why do you letting Don talk? And he fought for me. 486 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,480 So this isn't about Michael. I know it's just about the name 487 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,360 of the show. But Donnie, let me ask you this, 488 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,040 though, I hear you and I know that you guys have a great, 489 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,200 great relationship. But do you think, say, if you 490 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,400 guys would have press management, your agent, press 491 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,120 management more and they would have consented, but it was 492 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,600 contingent upon Michael Green. Do you think Michael would have 493 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,680 been like, all right, let's change the name of the show, 494 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,160 honestly. Well, I mean, According to him, 495 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,360 he would have done it, but I I don't, I don't know. 496 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,440 That's a hard thing for him too, right? 497 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,320 Yeah. It's the Michael Kay Show. 498 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,880 And in the, you know, change the name, It's listen, whether it's 499 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,280 Michael, whether it's management. 500 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,240 I should have fought harder for it because I do think that 501 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,120 there's a lack of appreciation for what I did on that show from 502 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:13,080 the people outside, you know, this stuff like the the Carl 503 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,800 Ravage thing. I don't know if you ever heard 504 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,720 the thing with Carl Ravage. I don't know if I know Carl. 505 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Ravage was on during the Bonnie Bernstein. 506 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,200 I call it the Bonnie situation, when Bonnie was there and they 507 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,160 weren't letting me talk. And with the the ridiculous 508 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760 decision by management to say, well, if we get Bonnie to stop 509 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,640 talking, well, don't let Don talk. 510 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960 So I was like, literally reading books on the air. 511 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,240 So the Yankees are in the World Series 2009. 512 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,800 We're at the dugout. Yeah, yeah. 513 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,360 You know, Carl Ravage is on and like, and he blew me off because 514 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:42,120 he's thinking like, who's this guy? 515 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,280 You know, he didn't know who I was. 516 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,760 And I don't, I blame him because it's fun to blame him, but it's 517 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,000 just like nobody there. How many people on the outside 518 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,080 did not know what I contributed to that show? 519 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:01,240 Did you snap on him, Ravage? Yeah, no, I just like, I was 520 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 just like, he blew me off and I've been got to him ever since. 521 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,680 But. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 522 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,080 Yeah, it's kind of been fun, but it still bothered me because 523 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,760 even if he thought I was a a board opera producer, you can at 524 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,640 least shake my hand, acknowledge my existence. 525 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,400 But what's? Common courtesy, but it doesn't 526 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,240 matter what you're. Doing it was a long time ago. 527 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,640 I'm not going to, you know, freaked out, but those those 528 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,960 it's those little things that kind of bothered me. 529 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,720 So I never felt like I was fully appreciated on that show, 530 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,920 certainly by Michael and management and everybody and the 531 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,520 listeners. Because if you listen, you know, 532 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,360 you listened, you knew. But if you were somebody that 533 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,760 kind of parachuted in, there was a lot of interviews where, you 534 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,600 know, thanks Michael. Or if I ask a question, like 535 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,040 with Bill Parcells, we had them as a weekly. 536 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Every time I ask the question, Bill Parcells, oh, I'm like. 537 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're like, yeah. 538 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280 Yeah, who's this other voice? Well, let's be honest and and 539 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,640 even if this isn't the intention, it's a shot to the 540 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,760 ego, you know? You know it was. 541 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,600 You're in the trenches, you're doing the work, and they call 542 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,960 you by Michael's name. That's happened to be not with 543 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800 Sal, but like with Stephen A. Not that we sound the same, but 544 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,720 I I know what you mean. That's frustrating dude. 545 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,280 It's all ego because, because at the end of the day, I got paid. 546 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,560 The fans, the, the listeners appreciated me. 547 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,280 People in the business appreciated what I did. 548 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,840 I was proud of what I did. But at the end of the day, it's 549 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,840 an ego hit where it's like I'm really doing. 550 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,560 I, I, I think I deserve my name and I blame me because I, I 551 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,120 blame myself. I should have, I should have 552 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,480 demanded it. I should have threatened the 553 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,640 walk, something I should have, I should have fought harder for 554 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800 it. I guess it's easy to say now 555 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,000 because, you know, I, I, I, I've moved on and in the moment it 556 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200 was just, I, I probably lacked the confidence. 557 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Maybe I felt like I didn't deserve it. 558 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,760 I don't know. But I looking back at it, it's 559 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,600 one of the regrets I should have fought harder for because I 560 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,040 thought I deserved it. Well, and I so did I and think, 561 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,480 and I think that they took you for granted. 562 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,320 I think they took me for granted early on as well. 563 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,800 But you, but you're, you've been there forever. 564 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,360 So it doesn't and it's not about me today for sure, but they kind 565 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,520 of did that. Like I, I remember, I'll tell 566 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,560 you a quick little story. I mean, listen, you, you 567 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,120 mentioned a couple of PDS. I've gotten along with every PD 568 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,200 that I've ever had, right, except Mike Thompson. 569 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,880 He couldn't stand up. The guy could and I don't know 570 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,480 why I never did anything to him, right? 571 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,760 So I don't know if you know this quite to this extent. 572 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,040 So I'm doing the show with Steven and you know, I'm doing 573 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,880 the updates and I'm doing weekend shows, whatever. 574 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,920 I'm doing hosting nights, Nick stuff while you're doing the 575 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,800 Rangers. I'm busy. 576 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,560 But I'm not at the official Co host. 577 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,040 And I'm fine with that because Steven Starr was just getting 578 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,920 ready to take off and they were trying to get OK. 579 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,520 So I think we had on Braden Looper of the Mets right when he 580 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,640 was the closer and he kept calling him either Brian or or 581 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,920 Brandon just kept messing up. Like Steven didn't know 582 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,560 baseball. He. 583 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,920 Didn't. He might still not. 584 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,400 He's got a little bit better at it, but he didn't know anything 585 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,320 about baseball at that point. And I kept writing down on a 586 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960 piece of paper. It's Braden, BRADES. 587 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,920 Braden. It's Braden. 588 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,840 And then finally, like I may have like kind of kind of, but 589 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,160 smartly inserted myself into the conversation, right? 590 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040 And now the, the control, maybe Winthrop was back. 591 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,240 There was now the PD obviously for Don and somebody, I think it 592 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,000 was Winthrop or maybe even Hurley Thompson's calling. 593 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Tell that, tell that guy to shut the fuck up. 594 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,440 This is Steven Show shut the fuck up. 595 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,920 And I I had enough for this guy, man. 596 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,640 Like I I almost lost my mind on him. 597 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,080 And I really have had great relationships with everybody, 598 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,080 whether it's at the fan with spike and early all my bosses 599 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,560 nationally, everybody at at at 10:50. 600 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,520 Besides, he just didn't like me. And it's really frustrating when 601 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,080 you're putting out the effort and you think you're putting out 602 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,320 good work and you're either being marginalized or you're 603 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,920 actually being taken advantage of. 604 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,600 And I felt like that happened to you a little bit, as I said, and 605 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,440 it's crazy, Don, because on that we look back at the early 606 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,920 rosters of 10:50. I'm going to leave myself out of 607 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040 it. I'm a nobody forget about me, UK 608 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,680 Stephen A Max. I mean, we had a roster where 609 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,040 our lineup was was freaking good. 610 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,800 Nobody could hear us. And I know that was incredibly 611 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,240 frustrating for me because that's we were never going to 612 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,680 beat the fan with with the 20 year head start and the legacy 613 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,960 and Mike and Chris. I get that. 614 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,880 But man, it was so hard to make a dent and it frustrated the 615 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,520 hell out of me and I had to drive you nuts because you were 616 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800 there longer and you had to deal with it more. 617 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,920 Yeah, for sure. I I always thought that they 618 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,520 under appreciated especially, especially PDS that came in from 619 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,200 out of town. Like I'd always fight. 620 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,600 And again, I I got along with Mike Thompson, I got along with 621 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,520 Kevin Graham. But you know, sometimes the guys 622 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,400 came in and they would always want to just cookie cutter 623 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,160 sports radio. And I try to tell them this is 624 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,720 New York and they'd always misunderstand when I'd say that, 625 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,080 that I was saying New York was better even though deep down I 626 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,880 felt it was. But that wasn't my point. 627 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,000 My point is it's different, all right? 628 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480 It's different. We've got 9 professional sports 629 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,720 franchises and they all have a place and all four sports can be 630 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:02,080 talked about and we have a competition, not just a a 631 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,120 flamethrower and WFAN is our competition, but this place that 632 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,280 invented the media. And what happened was, and I get 633 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,520 I got told this, the fan doesn't work because it only works in 634 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,320 New York because they tried to copycat the fan around the 635 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,960 country and all of them failed because New York's different. 636 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,920 You can't do a New York show in Dallas. 637 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,720 You can't do a New York show in San Francisco. 638 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Different. It's a different world. 639 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,720 You were there, you know, you did in San Francisco, you did. 640 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920 Guys came from different places. It's just different. 641 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,880 You can go to Dallas, you can talk Cowboys all day, you know, 642 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,560 but here you got to talk Yankees, we got to talk match, 643 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120 you got to talk Knicks, you got to talk Giants, you got to talk 644 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,560 to Jets. You got to be well versed in 645 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,000 everything and you got to you got to be passionate and you got 646 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,600 to be from here or at least be somebody that cares about New 647 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,880 York. And when you start cookie cutter 648 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,160 it, it's not going to work. And I think they always looked 649 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,400 at us. Now they're they're New York. 650 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280 They're 2 fan. I was told that you're 2 WFANI. 651 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,640 Me too. Me too, meanwhile when they 652 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,960 would say that I'm like good let me get over there and leave this 653 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,120 shit hole for. Now and, and you know what, and, 654 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,080 and your experiment with these different things. 655 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,640 And again, I, I believe they're all, they all tried, they all 656 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,640 wanted to win. I I give credit for that. 657 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,400 Yep, Yeah, they did. I agree with. 658 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,120 That and as much as I, as much as I butted heads with him, Tim 659 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,480 McCarthy, I, I love him. I miss him. 660 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Because the thing with Tim was that he was, he was, I always 661 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,640 felt like he was New York and it was family and he wanted to see 662 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,360 it. I always felt this. 663 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,120 Everybody else was kind of an outsider trying to spoon feed us 664 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,440 their way. And I think I, I think I still 665 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320 stubbornly felt that our way was ultimately the way that it 666 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,800 works. I I agree and by the way, 667 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,480 because I want to move on. I think that Tim the best thing 668 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,440 about Timmy and and Kay spoke, you know, glowingly about him, 669 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,720 as we all do. If you worked for Tim McCarthy, 670 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,640 the thing you know, he had our back like he had your back come 671 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,280 contract time. If you know, Raisman or somebody 672 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320 wrote something about us or something went down like Tim 673 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,440 would, you knew that he was going to run you over. 674 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,960 And you know, I don't I don't know that everybody that's done 675 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760 what we've done for as long as we've done it always had that 676 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,440 feeling. All right, let let me get to 677 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,480 this here. So I would say maybe, maybe, 678 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,240 definitely once, maybe twice with Sal, maybe once or twice 679 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,200 with Tiki. And with Tiki it was because I 680 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,040 was just he wasn't giving me an answer and I was I was like 681 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,080 getting I don't mean this the wrong. 682 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,480 I was getting bored of his non answer. 683 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,760 So I had to get an answer from him. 684 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,600 So I would push him and push him and finally the Pitbull would 685 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,840 bite back. So you know, Oh my God, I'm 686 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,520 getting I'm getting to the Rosenberg stuff, but I got to 687 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,480 set it up. So when you do this for a long 688 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,360 time, there are times when an opinion and a take and a debate 689 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,080 gets a little real. Now I didn't see it. 690 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,720 Somebody texted me. They're like, hey, you see what 691 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,400 happened with your boy, the Gregor and Rosenberg. 692 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,080 I'm like, no. So of course I jump online. 693 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,440 I watch it. I've known you a long time. 694 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880 You're an incredible pro and you're great at what you do. 695 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,040 But there is no doubt that you are, you are. 696 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,840 That was real. That was real on his. 697 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,520 From my interpretation in the moment, he was real. 698 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,800 You were real. If you were in the same studio, 699 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,560 which I don't believe that you were, would that have gone 700 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,600 another step or where? Where is that going? 701 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,800 Well, I, I think if we were in the same studio, it would have 702 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320 never happened. OK, I think that's being 703 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,000 separated. Escalated it because now you, 704 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,560 even though I could see him just like I can see you on the 705 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,720 computer, it's not the same, you know, and I, the two we got into 706 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240 it like when he first started we had we've had we've had two blow 707 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,800 ups and both of them were we were separated. 708 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,000 He he was, he was at like a wrestling event and I was in the 709 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,880 studio and then it was Friday, Fridays we work from home and we 710 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240 were separated there. So I think if we were together 711 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,440 it would have never happened, so I don't. 712 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,440 Think well, well, why though? Why? 713 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,280 Why do you say that before? Because I just think that when 714 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,800 you're I I think we would have been able to communicate our 715 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,840 points better. OK, because in that moment and 716 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,560 and listen, I could I've lost in with people in the room, but I 717 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,560 just think it's a it's a different intensity. 718 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080 I think they would it would have de escalated a lot quicker. 719 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,480 Alan would have been able to get, I think more involved. 720 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,200 We had all been in the room. So I don't think it would have 721 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,680 happened. OK, but I I was just making the 722 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,240 point. We love we talk a lot of music 723 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,040 on our show because we're all very passionate about music and 724 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,720 and if you if you don't mind the quick. 725 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:25,080 History there are great. Songs about fathers and 726 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,920 daughters. But are there any great songs 727 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,840 about fathers and sons? The great song Father and Son by 728 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,480 Cat Stevens. You know it, I love Cat Stevens. 729 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,560 And so it's a great song. And so Alan wanted to stir it 730 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,080 up. Peter brought it up is that 731 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000 maybe being the only really great song about fathers and 732 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,920 sons that makes you cry, make makes you emotional. 733 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,400 And Alan wanted to be that guy, said he didn't like the song. 734 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,320 So Alan thought we were going to jump him and then it just 735 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,480 occurred to me and I and I said, and I was trying to stir it too. 736 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,640 I said, well, quick hot take. I don't think you could have a 737 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,000 hip hop song that could hit like a Cat Stevens song. 738 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600 So meaning like I just don't. And then if I was allowed to 739 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,600 continue and I could see like metal, like you're not going to 740 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,440 have a a heavy metal song about it doesn't doesn't work. 741 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,600 I love. My song or you know, like a 742 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920 candle. It doesn't I said it doesn't 743 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,679 work. He's a hip hop guy. 744 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,520 He for some reason took offense to that and he's like you're 745 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,920 crazy. There's point starts to rattle 746 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440 off a bunch of songs that I don't know and I'm like, I just 747 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,560 don't. I didn't think it's different. 748 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,920 And then he he called me a moron and so that you know, that got 749 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,280 and and he didn't mean anything by we've talked a lot off the 750 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,760 air about it. And that's when I was like, 751 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,440 dude, we're just having fun here. 752 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,040 And now you're going to like name call and and you know me, I 753 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,440 don't I'm I'm I'm really difficult to work with. 754 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,280 I will. I refuse to lose an argument. 755 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,800 I I don't believe in tanking. I'm still throwing bombs up 30 756 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,520 points. I never dribble out the clock. 757 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,840 I fight till the clock zeroes out. 758 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Once we start fighting, you know, to the death man, I'm not 759 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360 letting it go. And that's sometimes it's good 760 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,240 and sometimes it's really bad. In this case, it was really bad. 761 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,400 And now we're going at it and he immediately text me in the next 762 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,560 break and we're cool and we talked about it on the air 763 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,360 yesterday. Oh, you did OK, I. 764 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,760 Don't know how you feel? I believe the best, most 765 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,080 passionate fights are with people you care about and know. 766 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,040 Absolutely, I totally agree with that. 767 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,920 There's. A line in Reservoir Dogs, I mean 768 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,760 Reservoir Dogs, they're, they're fighting over, you know, because 769 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,280 he doesn't want to be Mr. Pink. It's great movie by the way, 770 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400 and. And and The thing is like, no. 771 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,400 And then the captain, there's like no, no, no. 772 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,360 He's like, because we tried in another job, people don't know 773 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,880 each other. They start fighting because they 774 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,200 don't know each other and they don't get I I found that to be 775 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,920 the opposite. I think when you don't know 776 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,840 somebody, you're more willing to tap out. 777 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160 You're not going to go there because there's that unknown. 778 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,760 But when you care about somebody, that's when you 779 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,760 unleash because you know at the end of the day that it's going 780 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,600 to be cool and you kind of let loose. 781 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,400 And I think that's what happened and and we're both passionate 782 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,280 about the subject that got out of control it. 783 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,200 Happens whatever and. And, and, and honestly, it's all 784 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,280 cool because the, the, the first time we got into a fight, it was 785 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,240 me reaching out immediately, almost like before the break 786 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,360 ended, saying listen, sorry. My bad, my bad. 787 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,160 You. Know so and honestly, I'm not 788 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,080 just saying it, it was there wasn't an ounce of performance 789 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,040 in it. It was real. 790 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640 I know, I, I know, but it happened, no doubt that that was 791 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,680 real. Hey, it was real. 792 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,280 And you were real that you guys were. 793 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,000 You guys were pissed. Nobody I I love Ryan Hurley. 794 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,560 Yeah, good guy. We have had in the times that I 795 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,720 knew him, when he was my producer, when he was my boss, 796 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,840 we would have it out and always hugged it out after. 797 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480 But you just, you go there with the people you care about. 798 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,360 So it's all. Good. 799 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,360 I didn't appreciate being called a moron, but it's been pointed 800 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,080 out to me. I've thrown that out to a few 801 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,240 callers. You have. 802 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,400 You have. You, yes. 803 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,840 You have man but but not any Co hosts. 804 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,480 I mean, I did take my game was crossed. 805 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,680 But, you know, watch out Ellen Hahn. 806 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,240 Habitual line stepping is a good radio sometimes. 807 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,640 I hear you now. So, so, so think about this, 808 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,240 Donnie. So I'm trying to put myself in 809 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,240 your shoes and I'm like, all right, let me unpack this. 810 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,120 Like I I just I know you go to break you wound up like you're 811 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,440 incensed and you're almost maybe a little embarrassed, but it 812 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,400 incensed, right? Does Winthrop like what happens 813 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,360 in the after? I know Allen was in the middle, 814 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,720 unfortunately, and I love Allen. I've known Allen for every 815 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,840 square guy, man talented too. I'm happy for him with the 816 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,760 Knicks. Awesome dude. 817 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,360 And does Winthrop want somebody call like what, what, what 818 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,720 happens for management anything? No, but I, I think his, I've 819 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,600 known John Winthrop for 20 plus years. 820 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,640 Yeah, he. Was my old producer 25 years? 821 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,120 They know me. He was my old producer Don for 822 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,760 a. Little bit and no he's and he's 823 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,280 a he's a great guy. He's got a little bit of a 824 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,440 Disney issue where he's he's addicted to the the years and 825 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,680 it's. Still. 826 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,960 Well, he's like he, he didn't call me because he's, he's on a 827 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,480 cruise right now, a Disney cruise. 828 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,400 He goes, are you? Kidding. 829 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,160 More times a year get the it's a problem, it's a problem. 830 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,680 Wow, you know, but. He needs to work. 831 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,040 He's working for the right company, I'll just say that. 832 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,920 OK, Yeah, yeah, there's no. So keep coming in. 833 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,400 But I think the people that knew me, Alan, Anthony Pusick, my 834 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,240 producer, no one reached out immediately. 835 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,720 They let me cool off. I didn't hear from Alan until 836 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,360 the next day. He text me you good because I 837 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,520 and and it was because I was home. 838 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:40,920 I walked upstairs and it's going to sound weak, but the, the kids 839 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360 were upstairs. So you go upstairs, you see the 840 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,680 kids and it's like, you know what, relax. 841 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,960 It's only, it's only radio and then you keep the kids playing. 842 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,400 It's like, listen, you know, that's the one thing that I, I, 843 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,480 I, I feel like I've calmed down since the, since the kids 844 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,640 because it's just, I don't want to say it's not important 845 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,520 anymore. Sports is still very important, 846 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,200 still passionate, but like, it's it's definitely fell a couple of 847 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,920 rungs because, you know, you got family, you got kids. 848 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880 And and so you realize at the end of the day, what am I 849 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,200 getting upset for? You know, let's relax. 850 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,720 And so no, it's and it really is fine. 851 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,920 But yeah, you know, you hate getting into it like that. 852 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,920 But at the same time, it just lets people know that they still 853 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,320 care. They're not just punching the 854 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200 clock. I give a shit, you know, and, 855 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,000 and this is what happens when you care. 856 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,200 Honestly, bingo. That's why I can't fake a rant, 857 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,800 because if I fake the rant, I'd sound I'd look like a bad actor, 858 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,880 you know? I don't know. 859 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,280 With that hair, you might look like a very distinguished actor. 860 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,840 Look at this guy's hair. Look at the beard, I mean. 861 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:45,960 I know. Look at this. 862 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,760 You look. Good baby, you still look pretty 863 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,800 good. No, you, you have not changed 864 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,920 the bound or whether it's because of the, the bald or 865 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,480 whatever, but you, you, you have aged terrific. 866 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,160 And listen, I'm 58 years old. I, I, I, I had, I had a mole 867 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,840 removed today. That's why I wasn't sure what 868 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,680 time I get there because that's where at. 869 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200 But that bowl doesn't look good, Don. 870 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,680 We better get to better take a look at it. 871 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,000 This was it. Like Jenny Sack. 872 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,280 Was it a Jenny Sack bowl on the ass or no? 873 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,880 No, no, no. It was just right on the side, 874 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,320 but it's all right. But no, I can't kickbox for a 875 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,600 week, though. That's driving me crazy. 876 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,040 So. Oh yeah. 877 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,320 You were saying that you got into that now or do we have a 878 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,200 belt yet or are we just doing some workouts? 879 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,400 No, no, it's just a workout. There's no belt. 880 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:31,080 But but I've I've gone it'll be three years in in May wow and 881 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,800 I've gone to over 500 classes. It's it's awesome. 882 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,680 You know, you know, you're we're around the same. 883 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,320 It's. You know, you're taking towards 884 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,000 60. I kind of just kind of just 885 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,920 turned 50. Give me a little room here, 886 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,800 Dottie. Well, we're close. 887 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,600 I'm just fucking with you. I'm just messing around with you 888 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,920 said you're 50. Once you get past 50, what's 5 889 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:51,920 years I. Mean not much. 890 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,240 Nothing, you know. And we're and and we're both the 891 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,520 same. We were both athletes. 892 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,240 We both played ball and then you start to slow down and we have a 893 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,560 job where you sit for hours and hours, right? 894 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,200 So it's probably good to get into a little something, got to 895 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,640 get the blood flowing. If if somebody and I'm not even 896 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,480 talking about Alan and and Peter, I'm talking about just 897 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,480 general theory applied to our industry pertaining to you 898 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,520 program director X says, all right, Don, we want you to do a 899 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,760 show two person or three person. You got to want to do the two 900 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,920 person show. Three people's tough, right? 901 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,000 Or three people's tough. The reason it works for us is 902 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,400 because we've known each other so long. 903 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,720 I've worked with Peter for for over a decade and I've worked 904 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,960 with Alan. I've known Alan since when he 905 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520 covered the Islanders when we opened the radio station back in 906 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,320 2001. Newsday, right? 907 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320 Yeah, covered it for Newsday. Yeah, listen, I always was. 908 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,120 I always wanted to do a show by myself. 909 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,560 I I didn't like working with anybody. 910 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,080 Me. Me too for a while. 911 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,320 But then I realized I don't think it sounds great. 912 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,640 I think you want to be able to have different voices, different 913 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,680 opinions, bounce things off each other and all that. 914 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,720 And plus they did a lot of those shows by myself in the infancy 915 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,040 of the station where there's like no calls and I got to be 916 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,160 really creative and come up with a stuff and yeah, two man show 917 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,240 to me. I think it's perfect with the, 918 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:11,680 you know, like we did with with Michael where Peter was the 3rd 919 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,520 wheel. I think he even admit that it 920 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,680 wasn't like he wasn't he was like more like, I don't want to 921 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,120 say 2 1/2 men, but it was like he he parachuted in and out kind 922 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,840 of like with more Ashes with the afternoon show on the fan. 923 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,440 I think that works pretty well. Sean's good, talented. 924 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,480 Oh yeah, very. Very. 925 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,600 He's a funny, I love Sean. And I, I reached out to him when 926 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,320 I heard, I heard him on CBS like one Sunday night, whatever. 927 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,680 And I'm like, I love the passion of this kid. 928 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,360 He's he's nuts. And we've stayed, we've stayed 929 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,720 in touch, you know, DM and back and forth because I think we're 930 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:45,480 all kind of a fraternity. I never ever, ever looked at 931 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,200 WFAN, his arrival. I never did because I work 932 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,640 there. I know people, you know, So I 933 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600 feel like we're all in the same fraternity, right? 934 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,600 Like. Yeah, well, I'm, I'm, I'm in 935 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,880 none, right? Now you know no. 936 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,720 No, I'm in no fraternity because I'm sitting in my home doing a 937 00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:59,600 show. I don't. 938 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,600 I'm not playing for team exceptionally. 939 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,200 Complete bullshit. And I'm glad you heard. 940 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,560 Let me go off on that. I did. 941 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,480 That wasn't that and that. And that was and that whole deal 942 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,040 bothered me because it was it was set up as me taking a shot 943 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,800 at carton, which I wasn't. I was just taking a shot at two 944 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,680 really talented people being out of the job, which is complete 945 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,560 bullshit. Yeah. 946 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,840 No, I appreciated that. And all because you guys did. 947 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,600 You guys had great chemistry. It was a hell of a show. 948 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,360 I really enjoyed listening to you, not just because we were 949 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,520 friends, but because I just think you guys did a really good 950 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,800 show and I knew Sal too, but it was a good show. 951 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,000 And I just thought it sucked that you guys were in the 952 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,520 position that you're in. But you you're both 953 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,480 exceptionally talented. You'll land on your feet. 954 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,640 It just sucks that you had to you have to do that. 955 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,240 But to answer your question, I think 2 is perfect. 956 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,600 Three it it's, it's a lot. You know, it, it's, it's a lot 957 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080 for the for the person that's running .2 of getting everybody 958 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,680 involved. So ideally it would be two, but 959 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,880 but three is necessary because again, you know, you don't want 960 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,560 to see anybody not working. And Alan's got to leave early 961 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,120 for Nick's. I got to leave early now for 962 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,200 devils. So it's a necessity. 963 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,840 But I think we've developed the chemistry where it works. 964 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,360 But you know, ideally having to I think is a heck of a lot 965 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,680 easier for sure. We've both been around radio 966 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,280 long enough where I think not that we would ever want to do 967 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,920 this, but if somebody said, hey, I'm starting a station and I 968 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,720 want either Don or me to be the PD program it right. 969 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,720 Like I think we I'm not saying we'd be great at it, but we'd 970 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,240 have enough of a rudimentary field because we've been in a 971 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,840 forever how to structure things and get things going. 972 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,160 I'll tell you what I would implement my first thing, I 973 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,080 would no longer have 4 hour radio shows. 974 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,040 I think it's a waste of time. And I think what happens now, I 975 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040 know economically it might not be feasible because you'd have 976 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,640 to pay for more shows. I get that. 977 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,840 So I'm going to suspend that reality for a moment. 978 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,680 But to me, one of the main problems with our business now 979 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,360 is there's so much air time to fill that. 980 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,680 That's when the hot takes and the stupidity, and I don't mean 981 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,560 having fun and being dopey. That's that's good. 982 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,960 You need to do that, be a little bit of reference here and there, 983 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,000 but the longer show the more runway. 984 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,200 You have to either be repetitive, boring or dumb. 985 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,880 I would get rid of every 4 hour show. 986 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,200 I really would. Well, it makes sense because 987 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,480 you're fighting against yourself, right? 988 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,520 Like the big thing when you, when you're a rated radio 989 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,160 station is you want time spent listening. 990 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,360 So you want people to listen for as long as possible. 991 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,080 But at the same time, you know how hard that is to be able to 992 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,000 keep people interested when there's a day where it's a it's 993 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,240 a Yankee day. Yes, you know, and well, every 994 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,560 day is a Yankee day, Donnie. You know, no, that's true. 995 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,000 But that. But not everybody wants to hear 996 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,840 Yankees for four hours. Like, I don't care how big a 997 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,400 story is, if I'm going to do it for four hours, I'm probably 998 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640 ticking somebody off. So if I'm going to try to keep 999 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,520 people listening, I got to change it up. 1000 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,840 I got to change some opinions. I've got to change the subject. 1001 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,560 But every time you change the subject, you take the chance of 1002 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,920 alienating a bunch of people. Or like, I don't care about the 1003 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,840 Knicks. I used to used to drive me 1004 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,280 crazy. Tease, tease, tease, tease. 1005 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,160 Coming up, I'm like, why am I going to let people know that 1006 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,160 I'm going to talk about something they don't care about? 1007 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,200 Leave it to be a mystery. Right. 1008 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,760 Yeah, yeah, yes, Keep going. I'm going to keep going. 1009 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,960 I'm going to pick. You up because you know, it's 1010 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,640 New York. So listen, there's there's not a 1011 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,200 lot, like there's a lot of Ranger fans, but compared to the 1012 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,560 other sports, there's not as many. 1013 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,680 But those people still need to have their time, especially if 1014 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,920 the Rangers are in the playoffs or something big happens, a big 1015 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,000 trade or whatever. Yeah, but you always run the 1016 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,800 risk of alienating an audience that doesn't care about hockey 1017 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,920 or doesn't. I'll give you an example, 1018 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,360 whether it's hockey, take St. John's, it's it's a niche thing. 1019 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,520 Even with Patino who get they get covered like the Knicks. 1020 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,640 But I know not everybody's following St. 1021 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000 John's. So if I was on the fan and I was 1022 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,240 doing, you know, if I was still there and I'm doing 2 hours on 1023 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,560 Saint John's, you know, at what risk of business am I basically 1024 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,000 inviting or opening the door for other people to just say it's a 1025 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640 cool story Pitino, but I'm not really that interested. 1026 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,880 Click it. It's it's a tough game to play. 1027 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,560 Well, let me ask you this, since terrestrial radio is dying. 1028 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,600 Yep, and absolutely dying. And between the competition of 1029 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,880 satellite radio and what you're doing right now, the people can 1030 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,120 go. It's like, hey, I'm a Ranger 1031 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,440 fan. I don't have to listen to Don 1032 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,800 Han Rosenberg. I don't have to listen to 1033 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,840 Brandon Tierney. I can go, I can do there's a 1034 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,800 Ranger podcast I can listen to. I can listen to I can listen to 1035 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,280 the NHL channel on SiriusXM and get my hockey. 1036 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,280 So I just wonder that if and, and spend a lot of the things 1037 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,560 that we're doing now are for like we're on YouTube. 1038 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,240 So it's for the reaction. So we do a great segment, we 1039 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,520 post it and then that can be monetized because now people 1040 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,360 can, can get, get the hits of, of my rant or get the hits of, 1041 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,720 of an interview that we do at all. 1042 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,800 And I, I get more of a reaction. I don't know if you had this 1043 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,440 when you were on the fan. I will do something and get 1044 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,320 nothing in real time, wake up the next day and be flooded with 1045 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,440 people who watched it later. It happened, yeah. 1046 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,440 So if. We, if we, and now with the AM 1047 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,680 is dying, FM sticks are too expensive, Are we ever going to 1048 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,800 get to the point where terrestrial radio is almost like 1049 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,720 ESPN, where hey, maybe maybe Michael Kay's on for two hours 1050 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,120 and that's the Yankee report, you know, and maybe there's a 1051 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,000 football show and maybe there's a basketball, probably. 1052 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,240 And, and, and you leave the morning and afternoon drives to 1053 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,520 be a little bit more eclectic because people are in their 1054 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,920 cars. But to your point of shortening 1055 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,640 shows, is it a matter of shortening shows or is a matter 1056 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,080 of specializing? Yeah, diversifying. 1057 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:44,960 That's a good, that's a good point. 1058 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,880 I don't know, I would still lean toward the shortening Like what? 1059 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,400 Again, I got to make sure that I could I could make a living 1060 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,920 doing this. And so far so good. 1061 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,920 But you know, I'm not saying it's perfect, man. 1062 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,800 But the one thing that I, one of the many, not one, one of the 1063 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,160 many things that I truly love about this platform, man, is 1064 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,000 that I don't have to drag. And with Sal, it was easy 1065 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,760 because Sal's a communicator like me, were revved up and four 1066 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,520 hours would go. I would be exhausted, but it 1067 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,920 would fly by. But if I want to go on for now, 1068 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,400 now I've got to, I've got to end it early. 1069 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,360 Today I got to go to Saint John's to record the TV show. 1070 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,240 But I can go for two hours some days. 1071 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,200 I have if I don't have much to say. 1072 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,480 Well, I mean, I've always got something to say. 1073 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,280 But if if it's a little shorter than the previous day, rather 1074 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,240 than droning on and being boring and just trying to stretch it 1075 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:27,840 out. Hey, hour 15. 1076 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,200 See you tomorrow. And to me, that's so much more 1077 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,840 appealing because I think it enables me to deliver my best 1078 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,320 stuff rather than searching and trying to fool people with these 1079 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,920 stupid teases. Yeah, I I love. 1080 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,480 It now, now you're live right now, right? 1081 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,720 We're live, but you I can watch it later. 1082 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,920 Oh yeah, so have. You been able to figure out how 1083 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,640 many like the percentage of people that watch it live as 1084 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,160 opposed to people that watch it after the? 1085 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,920 Fact, I've got all, I've got all the analytics. 1086 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,640 Yeah, I'm 100% yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. 1087 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,040 By the way, Donnie, we're we're this week we're going to hit 1088 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,680 1,000,000 views. No, listen, this I, I love the 1089 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,280 attention that it's getting and I'm, I'm glad it's building, but 1090 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,880 this, this is where it's at right now. 1091 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,200 So it, it becomes a challenge when you do a radio show live. 1092 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,280 Now we're not rating it anymore, no, which which was a a 1093 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,360 financial decision because people won't realize how 1094 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,920 expensive it is to get rated. What Dottie's saying is you have 1095 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,000 to basically subscribe to the to to the Nielsen rating. 1096 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,600 And then you pay to get the information and very, very 1097 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:30,880 expensive. I notice. 1098 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,640 And so, and a lot of the reason is cause again, we're, we would 1099 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,040 rather measure it. We're, we're heading towards 1100 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,360 apps, we're heading towards on demand, we're heading towards 1101 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,080 YouTube. So now that's a way of being 1102 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,200 able to see how many people are watching. 1103 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,080 And a lot of people are watching at their convenience. 1104 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,240 We found that out during COVID. You know, they weren't in their 1105 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:52,080 car, so they were watching stuff from the day before or they're 1106 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,240 watching stuff from a week before, you know. 1107 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:58,400 So we're right now in that very interesting time where ideas 1108 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,680 like what you have and I have I think are on the table. 1109 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,200 Because the. Old way of doing sports radio. 1110 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,240 I think is is is done? It's always. 1111 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:08,640 Yes, I I agree, unfortunately, and I love it and it's afforded 1112 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,320 me and you to build beautiful homes and have a lifestyle. 1113 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,680 I mean not not many more, but I, I love it and it's what I always 1114 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,520 wanted to do and I'm never going to disrespect it. 1115 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,200 But the reality of it is it's changed wildly. 1116 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,400 And before I forget, I want to get to some devil stuff and I 1117 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,000 don't want to keep you old even though I could. 1118 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,320 I'd love to. You can't, the mother can. 1119 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,760 I'm having a blast dude. I really appreciate you coming 1120 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,520 on So what Don's talking about with the TS is like coming up 1121 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,040 next. I'll tell you why so and so 1122 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,280 right so FAN didn't really care about that as much like they 1123 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,440 didn't want you to just throw out the number lazily, which I 1124 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,200 never did and end on the number you want to give somebody 1125 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,360 something has to rattle all around the brains of the 1126 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,240 audience so that they could compelled to stick around. 1127 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,120 I know you know that I'm just talking to the audience, right? 1128 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,080 But when I was with ESPN and I'm not going to name names great 1129 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,000 people and I'm not just saying that really good men and women 1130 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,000 who on on a broader national scale, they were right, but they 1131 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,720 would come in once a month with their little notepad on. 1132 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:05,200 Remember the little notepad and hey, we have to do this and we 1133 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,880 got to write that. And Brandon, when you go to 1134 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,040 break, you have to tease. And they're like you, you know, 1135 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,240 And so they would they an idea like an example would be like 1136 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,880 this. Coming up next on coming up next 1137 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,640 on 1050. You know why the next move by 1138 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,560 The Jets will be the one move that will elevate them to the 1139 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,160 Super Bowl. Like it's so contrite. 1140 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,120 Fucking hated doing that. I can't tell you how much I I 1141 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,160 detested it. I loathed it. 1142 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,880 You know why? Because to me it was not 1143 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,040 congruent with the radio that I grew up with on the fan. 1144 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,520 I'm like, this is hokey. This is corny. 1145 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,200 And I'll be honest with you, I didn't do it. 1146 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,200 And when I did do it, I did it half ass or I didn't do it that 1147 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,960 well. And I think it hurt me. 1148 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,560 Like I just I was very young, little roll around the edges 1149 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,240 like you as well, little cavalier with certain things 1150 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,640 kind of stuck in our old ways, in the ways we thought it would, 1151 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,360 it would be better. And and that was the one thing 1152 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,640 many great things like, you know, going on cold pizza and 1153 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,360 and doing the games like ESPN was great to me. 1154 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,400 But those teases I couldn't stand. 1155 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,080 Them I know I could. God Almighty, I hated them. 1156 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,120 And and it really was a problem. There was 1 summer and I didn't 1157 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,880 last long. They they gave me a Saturday 1158 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,160 network show. I remember that. 1159 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,440 And I hated it because the show would be presented to me the 1160 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,680 night before in an outline. Here's the show. 1161 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:28,560 Oh. God. 1162 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,040 And I'm like, what do you mean the games aren't even over? 1163 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:32,880 Like I don't know what I'm going. 1164 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,400 To be feeling. Tomorrow, I don't know. 1165 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,600 What's going to be on my mind when I wake up tomorrow? 1166 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,440 But here's what you do with the rundown, by the way. 1167 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,240 Yeah, that's good talking to you guys. 1168 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,880 Go ahead and. It got me, you know, so they're 1169 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,160 they're doing outlining everything. 1170 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,360 And then finally, it was one day. 1171 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:54,840 It was when it was to 2014. So it was the Olympics and the 1172 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,080 US didn't do great hockey wise. But there was that moment. 1173 00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,040 You probably remember TJ Oshi, Oshi Oshos in in the shootout. 1174 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,000 And it was in real time was happening. 1175 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,720 And I went in and Obama tweeted him and I, I did like an hour on 1176 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,680 it. And their heads exploded like 1177 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,800 it's happening in real time. I'm not ignoring this. 1178 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,240 This is who I am. This is what I'm passionate 1179 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:13,920 about. Yeah. 1180 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,240 Oh, but no. But you got to tease, you got to 1181 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,960 tease the Giants Rays game that's going to be on later and 1182 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,920 we're going to have Chris Singleton on to promote it. 1183 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,960 And I'm like, OK, Chris. It's just that because you know, 1184 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:34,080 like ESPN Radio exists to promote TV. 1185 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,000 I've always understood that. I know it. 1186 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,240 And and again, it's I'm I'm in my man cave now because of it. 1187 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,640 Yep, I hear you. It's. 1188 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,160 Not how we grew up. It's not how we roll. 1189 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,280 And I just want to be able to be me. 1190 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,720 I think people listen because they love me, because they hate 1191 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,320 me, because they want to know what I'm going to say. 1192 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,360 I don't think you have a lot of what Alan's going to say. 1193 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,560 I don't think you have a lot of hate. 1194 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,880 Well, maybe you don't, but I think you've got a lot of 1195 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,440 respect. Hate. 1196 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,240 Listen. I think people enjoy listening 1197 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,480 to shows because they hate the guy, you know? 1198 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,960 Certain shows, yes. Yeah, yeah. 1199 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,160 Absolutely. I mean, I'm sure that happens a 1200 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,080 lot, but. People. 1201 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,480 Some people hate being saddled, but they still listen. 1202 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,520 And I used to have a thing is a phrase I use you you were around 1203 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,840 for it. I would say hide the host. 1204 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,120 Oh, the host, Yeah. Whenever they would have like, 1205 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,400 oh we've got like 7 guests today, oh we're going to do 1206 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,800 this. I would all hide the host 1207 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,800 because God forbid if we let the host have an opinion. 1208 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,080 God, I know let. The host show some personality, 1209 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,040 you know, God forbid if the host goes off the rails and maybe 1210 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,720 entertains the audience for 15 minutes, you know, so those like 1211 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:42,120 little, little things that and I, and to this day I'm not, I'm 1212 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,840 not a huge fan of guests unless they're pertinent because I 1213 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,120 always felt like guests sometimes are like segment 1214 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,440 killers. You know, it's like, Yep, let's 1215 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,720 just let's put a guest on so I don't have to think for that 1216 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:52,800 segment. Correct. 1217 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,480 It's lazy. It's just a lot of times, if you 1218 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,320 don't believe in me, let me go. But if you believe in me and you 1219 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,840 like me, you like Brandon, you like Kay, you're like, let us 1220 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,520 roll, man. Let us be who we want to be. 1221 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,480 It's and then and and what drives like, listen, you know, 1222 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,160 and you know Steven well, nobody's listening to Steven A 1223 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,880 for information he's given on the NBA, No. 1224 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,280 Not a. Stephen A because he's an A+ 1225 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,800 personality. Bingo. 1226 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,000 And he's going to have hot opinions and when he messes up, 1227 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,880 it's going to be a dumpster fire, which is entertaining. 1228 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,160 Or he's going to do something that's going to be really 1229 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,560 compelling because he's being himself. 1230 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,960 It really doesn't even matter what he's saying. 1231 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,360 It matters that he's saying it because that's the guy that they 1232 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,280 love. And the way he says it his. 1233 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,440 Oh yeah, that's part. Of it. 1234 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,160 He's coming on the show. He's coming on the show, by the 1235 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,520 way. No, he's that's going to be 1236 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:47,640 good. Oh, yeah, I can't. 1237 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,240 I can't wait. I was getting, It's funny you 1238 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,880 mentioned Steven and he, you were there a couple of years and 1239 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,520 then he came in. I was there about a year after 1240 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,280 him. Did you think he was going to be 1241 00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,840 a big *? I was, you know, I I thought so. 1242 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,320 And then, remember, he left, he went to Fox. 1243 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,480 And I thought, all right, this is this is it, this is. 1244 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,560 And then when he came back, then I started to see it grow. 1245 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,680 But no, I, I, I knew he was a big personality, but that I 1246 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,240 think he would be, you know, of because I guess what's the big 1247 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,480 four now at ESPN? It's Steven, it's McAfee. 1248 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,800 It's. Greenie. 1249 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,680 It's Van's health, right? It's those 4. 1250 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,360 Schefter. Schefter, yeah. 1251 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,480 But but you know, Schefter's got a a job, right? 1252 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,520 He's got a job to cover the NBNNFL. 1253 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,480 But when you talk about the guys that do a lot of other things 1254 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,960 besides their one sport and chef. 1255 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,320 I got you. Does some basketball, but those, 1256 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,680 I think those are the four guys. I don't know this for a fact. 1257 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,160 I also think they're the four most highest. 1258 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,320 Paid guys got to be. Even though, and should I think 1259 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,000 he would reach that level? No, I I thought he would be 1260 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,280 because I guess the bigger surprise to me, Brandon, is that 1261 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:55,000 he's branched away from basketball, that he's not just 1262 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,600 the NBA that he's asked to do and have an opinion on. 1263 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,560 So I remember texting you, I didn't want to get up in your 1264 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,400 business, but I remember texting you when there was some, you 1265 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,160 know, rumblings out there publicly, newspapers, clicks, 1266 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,200 whatever, you know, Hey, Don might not re sign. 1267 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,760 How close were you to not re signing with a with ESPN? 1268 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,360 I wouldn't say it was close, but there was there was conversation 1269 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:27,560 that this, this might be it. And it was early, so I wasn't 1270 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,520 sure what was going to happen. And hold that just for clarity 1271 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,680 when you say conversation them communicating to you, you to 1272 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,320 them or both ways not? Sure. 1273 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,560 Well, them community to me that you know, we'll see. 1274 00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,440 You know, I thought it was the other way around. 1275 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,200 I really thought it was you, like, not sure if you wanted to 1276 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,440 really do it. The kids, the devils like, OK, 1277 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:49,720 go. Ahead. 1278 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:50,880 Well, no. This is before this. 1279 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,720 This even before the Devils. Before the Devils. 1280 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,400 That's true. That's true. 1281 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,200 Then the Devils came and I'm like, whoa. 1282 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,960 See ya. All right, now I started 1283 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,600 thinking, yeah, because when the, because I, I Full 1284 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,720 disclosure, I've told him this. I, I interviewed for the devil 1285 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,520 job three years prior and I, I lost out to Bill Spaulding. 1286 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,120 They told me that I'd have to leave ESPN. 1287 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,640 Really. When I interviewed for it, yeah. 1288 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,240 And I'm like, OK, I was, I was going to do it. 1289 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,920 Why would they say that they let Michael do the games? 1290 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,920 Well, that's yes MSG we didn't want me to I got you. 1291 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,760 I get it. Listen, listen, it's a lot 1292 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,960 because. And then, all right, so I don't 1293 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120 get the job. Then they then they approached 1294 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:37,080 me three years later. So I'm thinking I'm going to 1295 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,720 have to leave and I and I'll tell you I would have left. 1296 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,200 I'm not passing this job. And I'll tell you it would have 1297 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,800 been it would have been a significant financial hit. 1298 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,040 OK, I'm. Sure. 1299 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,440 But I am not passing up my dream job. 1300 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,320 I mean, this is something I dreamed of forever, to be a 1301 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,840 voice of a team and then to be a voice of the Devils. 1302 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,760 You know, you told the you know, 20 year old Don Lagreco watching 1303 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,880 John Mcclane score to get him into the playoffs. 1304 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,000 Gary Thorne. Think of the big names, Gary 1305 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,760 Thorne, Mike Emerick, you know, Steve Kangelosi, big names done 1306 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,520 the the devil's I would never think I'd get a chance to do. 1307 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,840 I'm not passing that up and my wife's like. 1308 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:13,600 How much are they going to pay you? 1309 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,400 Like she's like, wait a minute. Now the now the wife's got to 1310 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,880 enter the chat. But they were like, they, and I 1311 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,160 was like jumped out of my shorts when they said, no, we want, we 1312 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,680 want you to do both. You could do both. 1313 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,640 And it's a lot, you know, and I'm sure things that I have to 1314 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,480 get cuz there's meetings that I miss and stuff. 1315 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,960 But they're, they're very, very cool with it. 1316 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,280 And it's and, and everybody Roland Dratch, who's the 1317 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:43,200 producer, amazing guy. He helps me through and and and 1318 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,880 Tom Meiberg every everybody works to make sure that I I'm 1319 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,320 able to get the game, even though I'm doing the show. 1320 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,640 But so it worked out. But there was that moment like, 1321 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,920 am I now going to be like goodbye? 1322 01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,120 But now listen, I just in September, September 3rd or this 1323 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,200 coming September 3rd will be 25 years. 1324 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,640 I I will get. I will. 1325 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,760 Get my. Tinkerbell statue which? 1326 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,040 Give me a bonus, you know, screw the the costumes in. 1327 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,000 The and it's in my blog. And everything so. 1328 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,640 So I wouldn't say it was close Brandon, but there were there 1329 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,720 were moments where I started to think about, you know, life 1330 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,800 after ESPN, but it came together. 1331 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,120 I resigned, you know, multi year contract. 1332 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,960 So I'm not going anywhere. And and the devil's same thing. 1333 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,920 So we've been able to make it work. 1334 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,240 It hasn't been the season I was hoping for after an 8 one start, 1335 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,760 but still it's been, it's been so much fun. 1336 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,320 Where were you when you found out that you got the devil's 1337 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,840 job? I the, the couple of years I 1338 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,280 started losing the Ranger games because they started 1339 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,960 incorporating Alex Faust in and so I went from doing like 40 1340 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,240 games and the year, the last year I did Rangers, I think I 1341 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,680 did like 13. I wasn't. 1342 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,760 Oh wow, they they were phasing you out? 1343 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,600 Yeah, that's what it felt like. And there were things going on, 1344 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,480 Alex, because Sam was leaving and Kenny was going to go. 1345 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,520 And I think they they, they wanted to bring it and and I was 1346 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,880 happy for Alex. He lost his job with the Kings 1347 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,760 and, and he's a local kid and I was really happy for him. 1348 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,480 So I wasn't bitter about it all. I was really, I always looked at 1349 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,600 the Ranger gig as I was just very fortunate to have it. 1350 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,080 We, we both got it, You know, you got the Knicks, I got the 1351 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,000 Rangers same time. We both started doing play by 1352 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,080 play at the same time. My mind grew because Kenny was 1353 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,040 never available. So I started doing a ton of 1354 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,160 games And, and I was, I was, I really, I always felt found 1355 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,480 myself to be very fortunate. So I was disappointed, but not 1356 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,080 angry at anybody. Sure. 1357 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,600 So I get the call from Kevin Meininger June 12th. 1358 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,920 All right, come back from kickboxing, see a message from 1359 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,440 Kevin and I kind of like, I don't know. 1360 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,880 Yep. So I call him back, he's like, 1361 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,240 is he going to tell me I'm done? I really thought he was going to 1362 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,040 call me and tell me, Don, you know, Alex is in now and we're 1363 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,920 good and you could still do pre and post, which I did when I 1364 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,680 wasn't doing play by play. And he's like gone. 1365 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,240 There's some things, some balls and airs, like here comes brace 1366 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,120 myself and he goes, how would you feel about doing the Devils? 1367 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,920 And it was like it was the scene from Castaway when she gets the 1368 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,320 phone call that he's still alive. 1369 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,000 I almost dropped the phone and just passed out. 1370 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,120 I loved her by the way. Down, down, down, down low hot. 1371 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,320 Yes, down low hot. No, it's it's no, I'm with you. 1372 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,880 And so, he says, don't tell anybody. 1373 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,680 But. All right, so you got to sit. 1374 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,200 So I can't tell anybody I told, I told my wife. 1375 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,840 That's it. Went into the kitchen. 1376 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,960 I'm flipping out now. I got to sit on it for two 1377 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:43,960 weeks. Don't tell anybody. 1378 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,440 Didn't tell a soul. Wow, No. 1379 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,880 OK. Not even your brother. 1380 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,160 No one. I I know part of it was not a 1381 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,520 lack of trust, it was just I don't want to jinx this. 1382 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,000 Man, I got you. Cuz I still can't believe it. 1383 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,200 I still think somebody's going to call and say, listen, we 1384 01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,520 meant to call somebody else, sorry. 1385 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,600 Yeah, they meant to call Rosenberg. 1386 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,960 Actually, yeah. And so then it was like 1387 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,640 literally 2 weeks to the day and then the ball started rolling 1388 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,400 and next and it was just then they're working on a press 1389 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,320 release and working out the details with the contract. 1390 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,320 And I'm like, I can't, this is amazing. 1391 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,320 This is unfrigging real. And I'm I'm still pitching 1392 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,720 myself that it happened. It's it's, it's pretty 1393 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,240 incredible. I'm sincerely happy for you. 1394 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,680 No, I I really am, dude. It's, it's awesome, man. 1395 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,360 You've worked so hard. You've been a grinder. 1396 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,480 You, you've been everything from a grinder to like the 3-4 1397 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,640 hitter, you know, like you've done everything, dude. 1398 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,120 So massive respect. And I got to tell the audience 1399 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,720 real quick. So you mentioned this before. 1400 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,520 So what? Maybe it was about 05:00, if 1401 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,200 that sounds about right. Right. 10:50 At that point, 1402 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,600 still 1050 gets the Knicks and the Rangers and we're like, I'll 1403 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,120 never forget Pete Doherty, who I know you know very well. 1404 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,760 Good dude, but sales, I'm in Pitt to do to do with St. 1405 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,240 John's Pitt game, University of Pitt when Pitt was still in the 1406 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,760 Big East. Anyway, I'm walking to get 1407 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:02,720 coffee. Pete calls me. 1408 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,440 Hey, off the record, we just got the Knicks and the Rangers. 1409 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:06,720 It's going to it's going to be awesome. 1410 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,960 I'm like, wow, this is going to really legitimize the station. 1411 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,440 So we're all pumped up. Very Long story short, somehow 1412 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,360 they come and approach me to do Knicks stuff, Don to do Ranger 1413 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,240 stuff. And I remember liked it. 1414 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,240 Now the Rangers season starts before the Knicks. 1415 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,840 So you were the Guinea pig, you were the lab rat here. 1416 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,480 And I remember like before, like basically the first game, 1417 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,240 they're like, alright, let's let's maybe have a meeting. 1418 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,440 It wasn't radio. It was also a TV component and 1419 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,400 you and I hadn't done a lot of TV at that point. 1420 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,960 So I remember sitting in my apartment in Manhattan, right? 1421 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,920 I had just ordered food and you were up first and you were at 1422 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,240 the play by play, right? Play by play restaurant up at 1423 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,240 the Garden. And I'm sitting there, stuff in 1424 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,600 my face and I'm saying, thank fucking God, it ain't me. 1425 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,880 Thank God it's him who's out there because this is a shit 1426 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,880 show. Not that you didn't do a good 1427 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,600 job, but like, I barely had a producer. 1428 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,480 I barely had a director. I was, it was anarchy, man. 1429 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,960 After Nick games, I would do the post game show from the play by 1430 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,360 play. And one time a drunken dude 1431 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,000 wandered on the set. I honestly thought I was going 1432 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,520 to drop him because he was he was like talking smack. 1433 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,720 I'm like, is this what's going on with this? 1434 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,920 It was very, very humble beginnings and you were on there 1435 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,360 first. And I just remember sitting on 1436 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,720 my couch saying, hey, better him than me. 1437 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,120 Work out the kinks. Go get him, Donnie. 1438 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,200 You know, it's so surprising. See if you agree with this, 1439 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,440 they've got in this business how often they just throw you into 1440 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,120 the walls like people might think that you go through some 1441 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,440 like training let's do some practice stuff no more more 1442 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,400 times than not it's like here you go go do it Yep. 1443 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,320 What am I going to do? You know, just go there to 1444 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,040 hockey here, here's the here are the guests coming up and here's 1445 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,400 what you say when you go to break, go and and it would and 1446 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,320 the rain do. I was really lucky because 1447 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,680 coming out of the lockout the Rangers were supposed to be the 1448 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,720 worst team of the league. Oh, the Knicks were terrible. 1449 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,320 There's Larry Brown was doing it. 1450 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,040 But the Rangers, and this is when Henrik Lundquist emerged 1451 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,600 and all of a sudden they made the playoffs. 1452 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,200 So they became a good team. So everybody was kind of 1453 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,640 rallying around that. And it ended up being a really 1454 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,520 fun gig. But yeah, and and we would do 1455 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,880 the pre and post, right? And this is when we were above 1456 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,840 the Garden. Oh yeah, take the elevator. 1457 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,680 Down. So what I would do is I'd be at 1458 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,320 the game, yeah. And then right up midway, midway 1459 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,640 through the third period, late the third period, I'd go to the 1460 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,200 studio, Me Too, host game, Me too. 1461 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,000 And then we would do a show till midnight. 1462 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,200 And then so when the Knicks played. 1463 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,480 I love doing that. It would be you until midnight 1464 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,040 when the Rangers play. Be me till midnight. 1465 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,720 I forget. I think you. 1466 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,560 It was probably you on when they were off, when the both teams 1467 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,240 were off because I think that. Was. 1468 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,960 Yeah, yeah. But I, I, I did it and and 1469 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,960 because it was still, I would just do, I would just talk 1470 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,720 hockey till midnight. I think we probably just talk 1471 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:48,840 Knicks until midnight. And we saw. 1472 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,240 I did. Yeah, I did. 1473 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,240 And, and then we would do that when they were on the road. 1474 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,200 It was yes, we were doing for the studio. 1475 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,160 It was so funny talking about like just being thrown to the 1476 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,280 wolves without without a compass or a road map. 1477 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,320 They literally now the difference for me is that the 1478 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,120 Knicks I don't think that you had this the Knicks. 1479 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,200 The pregame was outside in front of thousand 2000 people. 1480 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,000 Like do you remember where I would do it? 1481 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,440 On the stairs leading into the old garden? 1482 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,359 All right. And then the post game was up at 1483 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,080 the bar and that was kind of quiet because the Knicks were 1484 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,560 terrible and everybody just left at that point. 1485 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,840 But it was a big crowd and I remember you. 1486 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,960 You know what a jib, A jib camera is like the jib that I'm 1487 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,200 not telling you, I'm telling the audience. 1488 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,520 That kind of swings and it's got the aerial, you know, the aerial 1489 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,920 shot. And I'm, I'm up there, but like 1490 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,640 Jerome Williams, a former Nick out of somebody else. 1491 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,200 I forget who it is, People yelling at me, people at MSG in 1492 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,319 a good way. And then some guy in my ear 1493 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,120 goes, all right, hey, we're going to start in 30 seconds. 1494 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,720 We're going to use the jib camera just fine. 1495 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,840 They just let him know what's going on. 1496 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,279 I have no idea. I don't even know what a fucking 1497 01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:51,760 gib camera is. I swear I have no idea what this 1498 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,960 camera is. And I'm looking around. 1499 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,359 I'm looking around like I'm I'm on in 12 seconds. 1500 01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:57,720 I have no idea what I'm going to do. 1501 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,840 So finally somebody points because they see that I'm not 1502 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,120 even looking at it. And I'm like, oh, that's got to 1503 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,680 be the gym camera. I say that to myself and by the 1504 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,319 grace of God, and I mean this sincerely, thank you. 1505 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,880 I see a shot of 7th Ave. and somehow the words come to me. 1506 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,560 Something along the lines of here's a look at 7th Ave. 1507 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,920 Busy times as we open up the Knicks tonight. 1508 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:23,279 Larry Brown era places packed welcome in the show's underway. 1509 01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:24,720 I guess. I guess we're on the air. 1510 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,920 It it it is funny though, how when you you get a chance to do 1511 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,160 something that you're probably I wasn't ready to do that and 1512 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,160 probably you weren't either. But you figure it out because 1513 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,760 you love what you do and you appreciate our job And and you 1514 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,560 know, I I think good people get rewarded. 1515 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,080 I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about you in this 1516 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,560 case. I think at the end of the day, 1517 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,279 Don, I think good people who respect this business, who work 1518 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,439 diligently and genuinely try to entertain and put out a great 1519 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,840 product, they're going to get they, they're going to, it's 1520 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,280 going to work out for them. Yeah, when I when I when I spoke 1521 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,840 to the students at RAM play yesterday, I said I use that 1522 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,440 old. It's a sign at the in the 1523 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,200 kickboxing Dojo of, you know, hard work beats talent every 1524 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,520 time. It's it's true. 1525 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,200 You got to put in the work now and and the problem in our 1526 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,200 business is that you put in the work in the hope that you get 1527 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,480 the opportunity. You're not guaranteed. 1528 01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,680 It's not like all right, you do this for five years and then you 1529 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,480 do this and then you do this for another five years and you get 1530 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:22,880 here. You might put in the hard work 1531 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,680 and not get it. True, You don't know. 1532 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,680 It's all on spec. I hope it works out. 1533 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,520 I know I one thing I guarantee you, if you don't put in the 1534 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,360 work, you're definitely not going to get there. 1535 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,360 Amen. I always tell students, I do a 1536 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,080 lot of motivational speak. I'm a matter of fact, I'm 1537 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,720 speaking at Verizon on Thursday. I won't necessarily, you know, 1538 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,440 tell them this because they're not students, they're 1539 01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:43,200 executives. But like one of the things that 1540 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,840 that, that, you know, I remember saying a long time ago was, you 1541 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,760 know, if you're not willing, that you didn't have to do this 1542 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,360 luck you. But if you're not willing to get 1543 01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,240 in your in your car and make the sacrifice. 1544 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:54,520 I was in Allentown, I was in Detroit, you know, I was in 1545 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,160 Vegas. I was all over trying to get 1546 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,240 back home. It's a little bit of a different 1547 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,440 grind. But if, if you don't love the 1548 01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:04,520 business, don't waste your time because there's a good chance 1549 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,840 you're going to be broke for a while and there's a decent 1550 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,120 chance you're going to be broke forever. 1551 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,160 There's a lot of people we know who are still scrapping and 1552 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,360 clawing, you know, trying to make it a little bit and it, it 1553 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,720 is a very unforgiving business. But you know, you've been 1554 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,160 blessed and you've earned it. And I'm, I'm really happy for 1555 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:21,320 you. I'm proud of you. 1556 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,280 I, I got to roll in 2 minutes to go out to St. 1557 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:25,400 John's. I want to hit you with a couple 1558 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,240 of don't think about it. Just give me a first answer, OK? 1559 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,120 Yeah. Who's The Jets quarterback Week 1560 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,960 1? I think it's, I think it's going 1561 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,880 to be Carson Wentz. You do. 1562 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,920 OK How many games? OK, Yeah, I got you. 1563 01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,040 How many games did the Giants win this year? 1564 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:41,880 Eight. OK. 1565 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,600 Does Mendy make it through the whole season for the Mets? 1566 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,960 Yes. Over under 40 bombs for Soto. 1567 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,800 Under. Another MVP for Judge. 1568 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,760 Yes. How many years before the 1569 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,800 Rangers are back in the Eastern Conference finals? 1570 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,120 5. Knicks win the championship this 1571 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:00,880 year. No. 1572 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,720 I agree you need a Co host. That's the last. 1573 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,120 Question well, bring in four why not I I honestly seriously, man, 1574 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,680 I I don't I I'd love I'd love to work with you again, man. 1575 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,600 I I mean this is what about the difference? 1576 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,000 People will people awful announcing will put this out is 1577 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:25,040 Don takes shot at Brandon. This is actually a a compliment. 1578 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,520 I felt like every time I did a show with you, I was doing 100 1579 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,680 yard dash. Like I felt it was a race to 1580 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:36,440 see, you know who was yo, who won the segment, who was because 1581 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,480 we were both because that's all we were doing, man. 1582 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,240 Every time we ever work together, it was trying to show 1583 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,280 management F you, we should be doing this more. 1584 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,080 So I always felt like when I did a show with you, it was like we 1585 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,160 were both, we were both doing 100 yard dash and only one of us 1586 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,240 was going to make the team, right. 1587 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,200 You're right, I do take that as a. 1588 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,320 So I I would be actually looking forward to doing a show with you 1589 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,640 where I wouldn't feel that pressure of having to win every 1590 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,600 segment, although I am very competitive. 1591 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,960 So me too, you know, that, that listen, there's only it's funny, 1592 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,960 as you said, that's it. That's an interesting example 1593 01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,960 that the, the, the race, right, Because there really is, I think 1594 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,400 about this and I've had, I've had a decent amount of partners, 1595 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,240 you know, well, Stephen, I put him in a separate category, but 1596 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,120 Tiki's a very different personality. 1597 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,720 Eric Davis, who I was doing Anthony Drive with in San 1598 01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,360 Francisco, a little bit more like Tiki. 1599 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,840 So like that race, that constant churning to try to stay ahead or 1600 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,400 get ahead or keep up. I felt that with you and I felt 1601 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,800 that with Sal. And that's it. 1602 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,280 That's kind of rare. So I I I do take that as a 1603 01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:37,200 compliment. Thank you. 1604 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:41,880 I, I put Sal in our category of very competitive wanting to be 1605 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,800 right, because I think we all kind of took the same path, 1606 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,920 right, of just wanting to do this and starting at the, in the 1607 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,360 bowels of it because just, and just climbing and fighting. 1608 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,440 So I hope he's, I hope he's doing well. 1609 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,600 I haven't had a chance to speak to him in a while. 1610 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,320 It's crazy. I saw him at a devil game just 1611 01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,120 like a few days before. You guys were like, oh, and he's 1612 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,120 like, yeah, my contract's up, but he didn't seem like he was. 1613 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,080 Working. I was. 1614 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,920 Is that what? Didn't you meet his nephew Joey? 1615 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,080 I remember. Seeing the pic, yeah, I thought 1616 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,240 that Joey was like I, I, I think I called him a fraud too, if I'm 1617 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,200 not mistaken, because I called. Sal or Joey? 1618 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,200 Joey. Because I because he was like, 1619 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,800 Oh yes, yes, he was wearing like a devil jersey, but he was 1620 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,000 really. He loves shoes. 1621 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,400 Yeah, he loves shoes, but he's not a devil fan. 1622 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,080 He's no, he's not. No, he's not. 1623 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,400 So, but that you know me, I can't help myself. 1624 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,280 Now listen, that, that is part of the Dottie's vernacular. 1625 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,040 Forever Fraud, Tomato Patch, Eddie Crane Pool, you've done a 1626 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,360 ton in this business, man. And again, I'm going, I'm going 1627 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,640 to say goodbye Now. Really, it's very rare when I 1628 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:44,440 see somebody get a job and #1I, I know what it means to them. 1629 01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:47,560 And #2 I've known that person long to really, truly know what 1630 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,720 it means to them. So when I saw that you got the 1631 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,920 devil's gig, I was, I was genuinely, I was so happy. 1632 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,800 Keep crushing it, bro. Thank you. 1633 01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:56,800 I mean that. Keep crushing it. 1634 01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,360 I'll get you back on at some point because I want to talk 1635 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:00,880 about fatherhood. Some other stuff I know. 1636 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,120 You little guys. Play we've we've looked at 1637 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,720 videos looking at the swing and looking at the baseball stuff. 1638 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,960 How? Old are the kids now for. 1639 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,320 You My son just turned 11. My daughter's 9. 1640 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,200 OK so they both my my twins are 8 already. 1641 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:16,000 I know, I know man, and we both got into fatherhood late. 1642 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,760 Which I which mentally I think is is better? 1643 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,920 Yes it it takes a toll physically though. 1644 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:27,920 Little bit, especially when you try to pay bills, Help. 1645 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,840 I know, man. All right. 1646 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,800 I love you, man. Thanks for thinking to me. 1647 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,520 You're the best, dude. You got it, man. 1648 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,000 Dottie pucks. Dottie pucks. 1649 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,760 Look at that. Dottie pucks in the house. 1650 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,000 J Rod, what's up, what's up? That was awesome. 1651 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,960 I mean, that was incredible. I feel like just a great 1652 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,200 breakdown, great insight on like a side of sports you don't 1653 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,240 really, you normally don't really get the background in on, 1654 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,240 you know, for sure, just great talk on, you know, something you 1655 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,280 both are knowledgeable on and like you 2 are some of the only 1656 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,200 guys who are knowledgeable on it, which is experience in New 1657 01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,920 York sports radio in the scene. So thought that was awesome. 1658 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,200 That was fun, man. So I got to clip it here. 1659 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,920 I got to bounce. J Rod's going to get all this up 1660 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,040 for you. Social media. 1661 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,600 I got to get out to Santa last Red storm report. 1662 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,360 So I did have Rick on the show yesterday. 1663 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,960 Little bit more of a wide-ranging conversation. 1664 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,920 It's up on the YouTube channel like subscribe, pound this, let 1665 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,960 everybody see the conversation we just had with Don. 1666 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,560 I knew you guys would enjoy that and and I was looking forward to 1667 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,680 getting Donnie on. So he was money as as I fully 1668 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,560 expected, one of the great guys, one of the great talents. 1669 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,320 Just a dudes dude. No false pretense. 1670 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,320 Even you know, you make a few bucks and you get these good 1671 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,520 jobs. He's never changed. 1672 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,080 Some people change. Don has never changed and I love 1673 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,840 him for that. I really do So I got a roll. 1674 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,160 I I can't look at the text now because I really do have to get 1675 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,920 out to Queens, but I'll check when I get back. 1676 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,800 You know, drop the comments, you know, like it, subscribe and all 1677 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,760 that good stuff and I will catch you guys tomorrow at 10 right 1678 01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:08,200 here on Unleashed Peace. This is on leash Are you 1679 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,200 listening? Can you hear me? 1680 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:10,480 Hear me? This is on leash. 1681 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,760 Are you listening? Can you hear me? 1682 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,240 Hear me? This is on leash Are you 1683 01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,240 listening? 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