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What's going on? 
Everybody beats you unleashed 

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here on a Wednesday. 
Hopefully everybody's doing 

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well. 
J Rod, The glare is gone. 

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They The glare is gone. 
No more. 

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Yeah, right. 
We we're getting there, buddy. 

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We did it the. 
Glare is gone. 

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Somebody let Gio know the glare 
is gone. 

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I'm going to mess around with a 
new camera angle today. 

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Let me see that full shot right 
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Kind of tweaking things. 
Let me know if you guys digging 

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this. 
What's going on everybody, 

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hopefully you are revved up like
I am revved up. 8 days to the 

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NFL Draft here. 
Speaking of the NFL, there were 

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some juicy rumors with The Jets 
last night. 

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Daniel Jeremiah, some others had
some pretty interesting stuff. 

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Anyway, we'll be at it tonight. 
Obviously episode #4 of The Jets

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Collective. 
Looking forward to that. 

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So make sure you guys go check 
that out on YouTube. 

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That's right, myself and Rich 
and Jake episode #4 already 

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already 3000 Subs. 
You guys doing a good job. 

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So we will keep rolling on a 
weekly basis the three of us. 

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And then obviously, as we get to
the season, we'll do, we'll do 2

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shows. 
So listen, I and the other thing

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about the draft, now that's jet 
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am so old school with these 
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I, I, I waste so many pieces of 
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But Mel Kiper put out his final 
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So I want to have a little fun 
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And before we get into what I 
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topic, I got a couple things for
you today, but we're going to 

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start with Steve Cohen's tweet 
there. 

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All right, Jay, I want to, I 
want to start with a question 

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here. 
You ready? 

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Wait, let me pull up a quick 
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Go already. 
What do we? 

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Got a new Cam, much younger 
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Really, who like who looks 
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I think you. 
I don't. 

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Think it's the lighting, Maybe 
it's the. 

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I don't have any lighting here. 
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glare. 
It's it the sun's out. 

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I've got maybe the remnants of 
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my, my office windows a little 
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fairly sophisticated lighting, 
but it even though we've got now

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the bat, the, the mat, yeah, the
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Pardon me, the matte background,
there's still a little glare. 

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So I was playing around with it 
last night, but my guys did a 

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good job, but I wanted to kind 
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look throw in, you know, so it's
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bland, but so so like Baron, I 
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something. 
I do this for The Jets 

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collective. 
I did this with Stephen A 

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Hopefully you guys dig it. 
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Jay. 
Are you ready? 

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I'm I'm ready. 
You are AI. 

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Want to hear all your teams? 
List your I know you're a big 

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Celtics fan, so list your 
professional teams for me. 

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Go ahead. 
All right, Celtics, Pats Socks. 

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I'm sorry. 
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Sorry I got. 
You Bruins adjacently, but like,

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not really. 
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Not a huge hobby. 
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really my big. 
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I mean, really, you could have 
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have said the Diamondbacks, you 
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more of a, a fundamental view on
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And then I'll give you my 
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what Cohen said last night. 
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I'm, I'm going to give you 4 
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owner type, a type of owner do 
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The first choice will be a 
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owner #1A crazy owner #2 an 
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he's not crazy, but when he 
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Or do you prefer a measured 
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So silent, crazy, unpredictable,
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I mean like you as a person. 
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Opinion, I'm going to say 
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because you look at like a team 
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look at a team like the Patriots
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not this absolute lunatic. 
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know, he's said some things he's
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as an owner. 
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guess, not confusion there, but 
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attention directed towards the 
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We're just look at like the 
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know, 1520 years with the 
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You never hear you never. 
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like they really let you know. 
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operations. 
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Kind of do their thing. 
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I think that's that's how I 
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It OK, I got you. 
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probably gravitate to that 
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You see, when you have a say, a 
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stability. 
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Like it's the antithesis of you 
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absolute worst or Al Davis at 
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and he had the the overhead 
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You remember that? 
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About 18 years ago. 
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just it screams inconsistency. 
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It seems it it it screams 
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All right, so to me, and I'm not
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talking about Cohen, I'm not 
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specific, just overall. 
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I don't know, equal parts of all
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day, but I would take pieces of 
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I think for me to start, I want 
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to #1 cut massive checks, not 
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facility is going to be top 
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don't just mean the head coach, 
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staff well paid. 
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But I think then the subset to 
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the people that they hire to do 
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without, you know, getting their
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Johnson. 
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Woody can't keep his grubby 
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Yeah, it's like, so that's 
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I think that the one thing that 
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go awry, I think a very silent 
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is not satisfying for a fan when
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manner. 
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implosion, like for baseball, 
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on the wild card or you choke 
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the Yankees. 
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games to zip on the Red Sox in 
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you, you got to hear something 
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You can't just. 
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Wow, Yankee, that historical 
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All right. 
I wonder what my owner's 

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thinking. 
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I don't want to have to wonder. 
I want to just flip on whatever 

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I got a flip on back then. 
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differently and I want to hear 
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because it's a pound of flesh. 
I I do think that you want your 

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owner, you, you want to feel 
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that you hurt like you, even 
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more personal for the owner. 
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of somebody like Steinbrenner, 
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it's hand to even, you know, 
Davis, Al to mark like these 

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older ownership groups come in, 
even though Steve Cohen's a Mets

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fan, some of these ownership 
groups come in and they may have

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been fans of different teams or 
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sports fans. 
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the day, there's a few things 
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negotiable #1 cut the checks 
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in terms of hiring, you know, 
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people and then pay out their 
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But when something goes wrong, 
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owner's got a heartbeat. 
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So that that's to me, that's why
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equal parts everything. 
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unpredictability, I think to be 
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I think that that's probably the
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the course of time that will 
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Sometimes I think a little crazy
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I don't mind a little crazy 
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fully silent and and completely 
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So having said that, Steve Cohen
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1/2 or so last week. 
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that the Yankees didn't do this.
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It was cold yank Yankees stayed 
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than being reactive. 
Hey, we understand that there's 

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this thing called, you know, 
weather.com and there's there's 

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meteorologist and there's an 
ability to forecast what the 

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next day is going to kind of 
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So if it looks that bad, do 
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And if it's, you know, 7 or 8° 
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less blustery in terms of wind 
and logistically you can make it

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happen. 
Move the game up. 

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I thought it was a good gesture 
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And the other gesture that he 
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This is a big story. 
I didn't really get into it, but

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it was a big story in New York. 
He gave away a fair amount of 

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tickets because you, you know, 
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4:00, logistically it will 
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going to go with seven that 
maybe theoretically can't go 

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with four. 
So rather than just have the, 

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the tickets, you know, sit there
and some digital bank hand them 

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out. 
Whoever goes goes. 

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It's a good, it's a good token 
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OK, now that's a great thing. 
I, I think that that's awesome. 

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I, I didn't really laud him on 
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feel the need to get into it, 
but I'll load them now. 

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I, I thought it was a good, a 
good move by Steve Cohen. 

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What's not a good move though, 
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somebody a freebie to then go 
and chastise them for not taking

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your freebie. 
Like to me, that's a little 

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counterproductive. 
Not enough to rail on Steve 

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Cohen, not enough to go bonkers 
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But you know, when he starts 
dropping numbers, 58% of the 

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free tickets that I gave people 
didn't take. 

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Like now you're getting a little
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looking a little bit petty. 
And it, and to an extent, it 

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offsets for me a little bit of 
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Now here we are. 
So that was a couple of days we 

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The Mets are playing anaemically

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of the first. 
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RBI and hopefully that gets him 
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First home run and the Mets 
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of the game. 
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hits. 
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Mets lose. 
The Mets look awful right now. 

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All right, now before I get into
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upon you further. 
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thing here, especially with the 
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Yankees? 
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a lot of years on the Boone 
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of the chute and then they play,
you know, basically 100 games of

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500 baseball. 
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in September and they win a 
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they get to the World Series 
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Dodgers a couple years ago. 
They come up short. 

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But like baseball, we should now
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We should know this even though 
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are emotionally invested in this
stuff. 

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You got to tap the brakes a 
little bit. 

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Like, I do think that the Mets 
will be fine. 

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The Mets have pitched pretty 
well. 

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McClain is, Oh my, McClain is 
ridiculous. 

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He is so good and everything I 
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him and Schlidler, but he looks 
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of Schlidler. 
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analytics, he threw a curveball 
last night that broke like a 

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wiffle ball, like almost defied 
physics. 

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And his RPMS, his revolutions, 
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that's real. 
Stuff like that, that that is 

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real and that's a real problem. 
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you got 5 or 6 pitches. 
He is a pleasure to watch. 

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Nolan McClain is a superstar. 
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healthy. 
I mean, I want now put the Hall 

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of Fame tag on him now because I
don't want to, you know, I don't

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want to jinx the young man, but 
good God, he is awesome. 

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All right, so you take that away
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to be fine and so does going to 
come back. 

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And the Mets, I don't think the 
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World Series or even get there 
because nobody's beating the 

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Dodgers this year with the 
Dodgers. 

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Dodgers might be better this 
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the gap was, you know, so wide 
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else coming into the season. 
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think that that rather than 
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you know, it seems like it's 
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just from the Dodgers to the 
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Dodgers to everybody. 
Point is now back to what I said

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before, it's a long race. 
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It's going to get a little 
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Braves or the Phillies or the 
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Toronto or the Tigers or the 
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Cubs or, you know, any other 
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to go through these these spurts
where you can watch. 

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I don't. 
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you can watch any team play 
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convince yourself that their 
flaws are fatal and there's 

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nothing they can do to correct 
them. 

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And it's never going to change 
and it's not going to happen. 

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And you know, you can rant and 
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scream and shout and it's 
cathartic. 

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Doesn't change anything. 
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one side of the coin. 
The other side is for three 

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weeks. 
Conversely, they can hit the 

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crap out of the ball. 
They're starting pitchers could 

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go deep, their bullpen arms 
could be on lock. 

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They could run the bases with 
great aptitude, They can catch 

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everything that's hit their way 
and they look like, and I'm 

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talking about any team now, any 
hiding, maybe not the Rockies, 

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but any good to potentially 
great team. 

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There's going to be 
fluctuations. 

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I don't care who you are. 
So I am starting this 

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conversation not pronouncing the
Mets dead. 

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I've learned my lesson years 
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especially under Steve Cohen, 
because Steve Cohen's been here,

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what, now 5 or 6 years? 
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twice and they've had these 
riveting runs. 

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The Mets twice have started the 
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the other Mets might win 100 
games and they flail out and 

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they burn and they just implode 
in fantastic, crazy fashion. 

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And we've also had the opposite 
where the Mets start out O15 and

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they look feeble and they look 
awful, and then they find the 

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way to regenerate and then they 
kick it into high gear as they 

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get deeper into the season. 
So this is not some bold 

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proclamation that the Mets are 
done. 

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But now let's get to the Steve 
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I got to help Steve out. 
I don't, I don't know, Steve. 

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I don't dislike Steve. 
I'm more inclined to like him 

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than not. 
But this is this is not going to

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help him. 
All right, So he tweets this 

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after the game. 
This was a few days after the 

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ticket tweet, right Quote, 
Nobody likes to lose, but I saw 

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some green shoots tonight on 
offense. 

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Lindor had two hits, including a
home run. 

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I mean, he is making $35 million
a year. 

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It's about time. 
But Shet got a double hitting it

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to left field as opposed to 
recently being right field 

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prone. 
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doesn't that just seem like a 
guy who doesn't know baseball? 

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Right field, prone, just the way
he words it. 

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Benj got a solid hit. 
Soto starting his running 

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progression today. 
Simeon hit. 

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This is the worst part. 
Simeon hit a shot that might 

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have been a home run on a warmer
night. 

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I mean, now we're handing out 
consolation prizes. 

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All right, Joey, your rec team 
finished in fourth place. 

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Here's a trophy. 
Oh, Billy, Congrats. 

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Your team was 2 and 9 in rec 
ball. 

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Here's a ribbon. 
Oh, little Susie, your softball 

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team didn't quite win it. 
You guys were 4:00 and 11:00. 

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But because everybody, you know,
I'm in, in the modern 

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consumption of sport, we've got 
to make everybody feel good. 

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Here's a little something for 
you, little Susie. 

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Go get them. 
I mean, come on. 

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That. 
That part is embarrassing. 

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Send me and hit a shot that 
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warmer night. 
Finally, and this part is all 

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the money. 
Obviously McClain pitching 

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outstanding game, 7 innings, 
blah blah. 

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Hang in there fans. 
That part I love. 

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We will turn this around and 
this goes to the part about that

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that level of engagement that 
that I do like you know when 

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when things are awry and things 
are bleak. 

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I, I think that it's actually 
good to reinforce some positive 

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messaging, but I think that the 
Steve Cohen era is, is a very 

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interesting one at this point. 
It started with great acclaim. 

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It started with a great fanfare.
It started by his own admission,

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I believe is it was a five year 
window for a championship, which

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he later amended. 
And I actually, I didn't have an

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issue with with him when he said
that because to me, at that 

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point, at that juncture in their
fandom, especially the older Met

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fans, like the Met fans needed 
to be galvanized. 

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And when you buy a team and you 
sit there at a podium, you've 

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got your Mets hat on and you're 
one of them. 

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You just happen to have, you 
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was 17 or 18, Bill. 
I think it's up to 23 now, 

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whatever his net worth is. 
I thought that that was good. 

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I thought it was relatable. 
I thought it was encouraging, 

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galvanizing of it was promising.
I thought it was on point, you 

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know, and and listen, I think 
Steve Cohen has done a good, a 

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good job as the owner of the 
Mets. 

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Certainly not great. 
And very well. 

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This might be this year based on
everything that's transpired. 

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Pete shipped out Nimmo shipped 
out Diaz. 

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Obviously, you know, a change of
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which, you know, as you know, I 
believe was necessary. 

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But it's still got to work out 
bringing in David Stearns, 

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allowing David Stearns to do all
the things that he's done. 

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You know, like it it this to me,
this is kind of the break right 

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now. 
If I was to give Steve Cohen, 

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let's see, I would say now this 
is including everything. 

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So let me take a step back. 
I think one of the best things 

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that Steve has done is that he 
is reconnected the roots of the 

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franchise to the actual 
franchise. 

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So it's no longer the New York 
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And that was a massive issue 
when that stadium first opened 

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because the Wilpons and you talk
about Bootlick in the Brooklyn 

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Dodgers. 
I mean, you own the Mets. 

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And I think a lot of times the 
Wilpons forgot that. 

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So Cohen came in with a vision 
of certainly, you know, this 

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stately vision and elevating the
Mets. 

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And nobody has spent more money 
since he took over the Mets. 

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I believe they even have spent 
more money than the Dodgers. 

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He's got. 
I think he's won 53% of his 

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games, two regular season 
appear, 2 post season 

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appearances. 
As I said it, it's a little bit 

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of a mixed bag, but I think 
there's certainly more good than

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bad. 
And and I think when you walk 

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into Citi Field, I haven't been 
there this year yet. 

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I will be. 
I went to A3123 Met games a year

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ago. 
You know that I like Citi Field.

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You know what he's doing around 
the area. 

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He's gonna build it up. 
He's going to make it big time, 

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right? 
But when you walk in there with 

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the Jackie Robinson Rotunda, 
unlike when it first opened up 

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in O 9, you know, you walk in 
there, you like Duke Snyder. 

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All right, Jackie Robinson, all 
right, great luminaries of a 

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Brooklyn baseball. 
Fantastic because he a little 

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Keith Doc and Daryl, I think I 
see a little bit Jerry Gooseman 

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because he a little more Tom 
Seaver. 

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So all the things like to me the
evaluation of Cohen, it's multi 

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pronged here. 
Number one, he's spent an 

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inordinate amount of money and 
resources that he's put in, 

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whether it's the. 
Minor league complex, the minor 

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league facility, like all the 
things the the, the updated 

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analytics where the Mets are. 
No, the Mets were lagging behind

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for a while with that. 
And that is all updated and all 

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modernized. 
So he spent money on the roster 

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that you watch every night. 
The infrastructure of the 

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franchise is far healthier than 
it's ever been. 

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You know, you took Juan Soto 
from the Yankees, big boy play, 

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big boy swing. 
All right, you went at the 

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Yamamoto didn't get him, but you
went after him. 

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You know, you pivoted quickly 
from Tucker to Pichette. 

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You know, you got Peralta. 
You brought in Stearns, the 

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young Wiz kid at that point that
every, I don't know, Joe Beningo

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wanted them. 
Joe always rails on him, but at 

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that point, most of you wanted 
him and you've changed in large 

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part like the fabric and I, I 
think the the culture of the 

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Mets to an extent, because the 
culture doesn't fully change 

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until there's consistency. 
And there are still these 

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madding spikes. 
One year, really good, one year,

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confounding. 
One year, really good, one year,

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incredibly disappointing and 
confounding, right? 

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So he's not getting an A and 
he's not getting an A, but you 

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get an A when you win the World 
Series, right? 

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He's not getting an A minus 
because there have been too many

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fluctuations. 
I would give Steve Cohen, I 

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would give him probably probably
at least AB and I'm even 

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thinking of going to B plus, but
he's got to stop tweeting 

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because that that seemed minor 
league last night. 

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And I really am trying to be 
fair. 

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Listen, the easiest thing for me
to do will be to fire up the 

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camera today, get on the air, 
dump all over Cohen, yell and 

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scream and mock him. 
I'm not going to do that because

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I don't feel any need to do that
because I don't think that it's 

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it's with merit. 
I think Steve Cohen is much more

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good than not. 
I think he's much better than 

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the Wilpons, but that doesn't 
mean he's what you thought he 

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would be when he announced to 
the world that he's going to 

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change how the Mets are 
ultimately proceed because here 

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we are guys, you know, roll out 
the old band, you know, like 

446
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000
journey playing some old songs 
and I love Journey. 

447
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,800
Hey, you know, here's Doc 40th 
anniversary, the championship. 

448
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,720
Come on out. 
Hey, here's Daryl, here's Lenny 

449
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,640
who, that was a good story over 
the weekend. 

450
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,240
If you guys saw this, Daryl took
Lenny Dykstra under his wing. 

451
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,640
Lenny's been a mess, you know, 
drugs, gambling, jail, all that 

452
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,520
stuff. 
And Daryl's kind of been there 

453
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,840
as well. 
So I, I, I like that Daryl 

454
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,720
reached out and I, I believe 
that Lenny's going to be there. 

455
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,760
I, I heard that he was for that 
40 year celebration. 

456
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,680
There's Mookie, you know, 
there's Ronnie, there's Keith, 

457
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,800
there's all the guy. 
But Ray Knight hopefully comes 

458
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,560
back. 
All right, Maybe Kevin Mitchell 

459
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,280
comes back. 
That's all good. 

460
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,720
But the fact does remain, and 
this is what it's all about, the

461
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,080
fact does remain that the last 
time the Mets won the World 

462
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,640
Series, I was listening to Run 
DMC on AV on on a tape that I 

463
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240
had a rewind to get back to the 
good part parts, whether it was 

464
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,280
Peter Piper or my Adidas or the 
Coliseum. 

465
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,160
You know, Air Jordans weren't 
retro. 

466
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840
They had just come out. 
Dwight Gooden was about 20 years

467
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,200
old. 
He's basically 60 now. 

468
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,600
You know, they were playing in 
Shea Stadium and the the world 

469
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,840
changed. 
It's a long time. 

470
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,840
So there's a lot with Steve 
Cohen. 

471
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,560
And I also do think right now, I
don't, I can't speak for Met 

472
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,120
fans here. 
There's been a lot of politics 

473
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,280
around the Mets. 
Now you can also say that 

474
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,600
there's been politics around the
Yankees when they welcome 

475
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,240
President Trump into the 
clubhouse. 

476
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,120
I think that was, I think it was
last year, right? 

477
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,720
And I think everybody knows that
that Trump and Steinbrenner have

478
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,000
they have a good relationship. 
I think not. 

479
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,880
By now, certainly everybody 
knows that. 

480
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,760
You know, Cohen, I think you 
know which way he leans, and 

481
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,960
that's certainly his 
prerogative. 

482
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,760
You certainly know which way 
Francisco Lindor's wife leans, 

483
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,800
which I would imagine by 
extension, Francisco Lindor 

484
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,280
leans that way. 
And he can only deduce. 

485
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,240
At least this is part of the 
thought behind it. 

486
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,920
One of the reasons that Pete and
Nimmo were shipped out is 

487
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,400
because of their politics. 
And then I saw something the 

488
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,160
other day, Mr. I'm not trying 
to, you know, not trying to 

489
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,360
throw, you know, strays at Mr. 
and Missus met, you know, but 

490
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,400
they were, you know, hugging the
mayor of New York. 

491
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,280
And a lot of people have an 
issue with the mayor of New 

492
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760
York. 
So there is a lot of energy. 

493
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,880
I saw my buddy Sid Rosenberg, 
who I I've known forever. 

494
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,640
I love Sid very talented guy 
since now a Yankee fan. 

495
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,800
I'm I'm on social. 
Did you guys see this? 

496
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:36,000
I'm on social media last night 
and I see he's out of his mind, 

497
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:36,680
man. 
He is. 

498
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,200
He's he's he's hysterical. 
I see Sid posting and I think it

499
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,800
was because of the the mayor and
the Mr. and Misses met 

500
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,480
relationship. 
I think that that was the final 

501
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,880
straw for said and if not then 
then I apologize, but I I think 

502
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,080
that that was the impetus to him
changing finally. 

503
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,240
I know he's been disgruntled 
with a bunch of things there, 

504
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:01,160
but I saw a video Johnny Damon 
welcoming Sid as a Yankee fan. 

505
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,880
I saw a picture this morning 
that Sid posted a big box of 

506
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,720
Yankee jerseys that apparently 
the Yankees sent to Sid. 

507
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,920
I saw a Reggie jersey. 
I think I maybe saw a Thurman 

508
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Munson jersey. 
I saw a video right before I 

509
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,640
came on the air of Tino Martinez
welcoming Sid Rosenberg to the 

510
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,960
Yankee family. 
So there are a lot of high 

511
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,200
profile Mets fans that aren't 
happy with the Mets. 

512
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,320
There's a lot here, OK? 
There's a lot of noise around 

513
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,160
these Mets. 
Now. 

514
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,920
Maybe last night was a 
foreshadow of a three-week binge

515
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,480
where Lindor is going to go back
to being Lindor. 

516
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:49,360
And, you know, maybe, maybe 
Polanco starts raking. 

517
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,200
Bichette's going to eventually 
really, truly hit. 

518
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960
And as the owner pointed out, he
finally hit, went to left rather

519
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960
than right. 
But it's just it's it's an odd, 

520
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,720
it's an odd, I don't know, it's 
an odd evaluation because it is 

521
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,840
early. 
But last year was miserable and 

522
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,280
the misery and the confusion and
the lack of buttoned up play and

523
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,240
obviously the record now 7 and 
11 through 18 games and nobody's

524
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,600
going to run away with this 
thing yet. 

525
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,400
It's early and it's very jumbled
outside of maybe the Dodgers in 

526
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,600
terms of the best record of 
baseball. 

527
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,200
But as I chronicled yesterday, 
pretty much every division is 

528
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,200
very tight. 
So there's plenty of room for 

529
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,600
the Mets to get their act 
together. 

530
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,200
And listen, if Peterson spits 
the bid or Sangha doesn't get 

531
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,480
his act together, you know, 
there's a little recent evidence

532
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,400
that maybe Shawn Banaya is going
to become more viable. 

533
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,640
You got to have leads for Devin 
Williams to actually get saves. 

534
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,400
But I think at the end of the 
day, I think the back end of the

535
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,400
bullpen will be good. 
I know rarely chalk went up the 

536
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,720
other night, but he's been very,
very good for well over a year. 

537
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,560
So it's not the end of the 
earth. 

538
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,520
But I if I'm Steve Cohen and 
it's his, it's his team and it's

539
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,320
his right. 
And he didn't really. 

540
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,160
It's not that he's tweeting out 
like inflammatory and sensitive 

541
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,440
stuff, although many of you had 
an issue with the 58% of the 

542
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,960
free tickets going on used. 
It's just layout, man. 

543
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Like it that that's my just 
layout, layout, layout. 

544
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,280
Let the baseball stuff take care
of itself. 

545
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,320
Let you know, let Mendoza get 
this team to a place that they 

546
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200
need to be. 
And let's see ultimately, if all

547
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,880
of these moves, the the big 
moves like franchise altering 

548
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,160
moves, franchise defining moves 
that the general manager decided

549
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,480
to do, let's at least give them 
a little runway to see if it's 

550
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,720
going to work. 
Can we at least do that? 

551
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,640
I get it. 
It's baseball. 

552
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,240
You love it, I love it. 
We're temperamental. 

553
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,560
That's what separates New York 
baseball fans from most, you 

554
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,800
know, New York, Philly, Boston, 
you know, maybe one or two 

555
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,760
others, but it's a different 
energy. 

556
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,200
All right, it's a different 
pursuit of results. 

557
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,040
So we all know the game by now, 
but haven't we learned? 

558
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Even going back to the nationals
when they won the World Series, 

559
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,200
when Juan Soto was 19, they 
started the year 19 and 31. 

560
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,200
It is a long, long season. 
All right, MO Cage, what up, MO?

561
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,760
He's got to stop talking to the 
fans through social media and 

562
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,160
start talking by winning. 
Well, I mean, listen, that would

563
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,160
be that would be optimal. 
I will say this though, you 

564
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,320
know, I wouldn't mind that he's 
not going to do it. 

565
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,720
I wouldn't mind the occasional 
tweet from hell. 

566
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,200
Oh hell, you got a pulse. 
I was just I don't want to hit 

567
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,320
the camera because it might shut
off. 

568
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,200
But this thing on Hello, are we 
on J Rod? 

569
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,120
Are we on check 12123 check 1-2 
three. 

570
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,840
You know what I'm saying? 
Like it's OK to it's your team. 

571
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,280
So it is your prerogative to do 
whatever you want. 

572
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320
And I do think if it's well 
timed and it hits the mark from 

573
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,480
a messaging point of view, I do 
think that now, I don't know if 

574
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200
it's going to be productive on 
the field, but I do think it 

575
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,800
could be either cathartic or 
inspiring or reassuring to a fan

576
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,680
base, which is why I started 
this conversation asking J Rod 

577
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,920
and then obviously, by its 
extension, asking the BT 

578
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,040
Unleashed fam. 
I mean, what kind of odor do you

579
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,720
want? 
You want the silent type who's 

580
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,760
completely disengaged, who's on 
some island, you know, looking 

581
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,440
at his, looking at his hedge 
fund, just cutting checks and 

582
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,160
has no real connection that 
that's not, he's got the hedge 

583
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,640
funds, but he cares about the 
Mets. 

584
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,040
Is he crazy? 
No, he's not crazy. 

585
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,760
Is he Is he unpredictable? 
Not really, no. 

586
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,000
I, I don't think that that will 
be a fair characterization. 

587
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Is he measured? 
I, I think of all those, he's 

588
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,560
probably more measured than than
anything. 

589
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,560
But you got to start winning. 
You got to start playing better.

590
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,720
Otherwise, a a fairly innocuous 
tweet. 

591
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
You're going to start getting 
clowned that people going to 

592
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,440
start turning against you. 
Like there is, and again, to 

593
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,040
what extent, I don't know and I 
don't profess to know, but there

594
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:49,720
is, there is a divide for some 
Met fans with the political 

595
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,160
affiliation and direction of the
Mets. 

596
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
To me, that's undeniable. 
Now, that's something that 

597
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,400
you're going to have to go 
through and process. 

598
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Whichever way you lean, I 
respect it. 

599
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,800
I don't shove it down your 
throat. 

600
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Never had, never will you follow
me for sports? 

601
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,760
If there's a world issue that 
really supersedes sports and 

602
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,920
there are some things going on 
now, but like, if it, if it 

603
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,520
really is, if, if I believe 
where I just can't justify 

604
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320
getting on the air and talking 
about something sports related 

605
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,400
because it would just be obtuse.
I'm not going to do that. 

606
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,560
I am a husband, I am a father. 
I am a concerned citizen. 

607
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360
So I follow all this stuff. 
I've told you, I watch the news 

608
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,600
every night. 
It's how I fall asleep. 

609
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Unless the Yanks of the Mets or 
the Mets are on the West Coast. 

610
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,760
But there's no doubt there's a 
faction. 

611
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,880
I, I don't know what percentage,
I'm not even going to attempt to

612
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,720
quantify, but there is a, and I 
would say a growing faction of 

613
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,280
Mets fans who are either 
disconcerted or disenfranchised 

614
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,320
based on the very clear leanings
of the Mets politically. 

615
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,400
I'll leave it at that. 
To me, that's irrefutable. 

616
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,120
You'd have to be a dope. 
You'd have to be clueless not to

617
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,840
see that and and not to feel 
that. 

618
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040
And then that's up to you as a 
consumer to react accordingly. 

619
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Not not up to me to tell you 
what to do or how to feel. 

620
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Big Trouble Media, I believe. 
Is that the first? 

621
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,120
We have a new member of the BT. 
All. 

622
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,320
Right there we go. 
Appreciate the shout out. 

623
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Thank you there, Mr. Big Trouble
Media. 

624
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,760
As a Mets fan, I'm numb to the 
losing, but there needs to be a 

625
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,320
skipper change. 
We are still collapsing from 

626
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,480
last season. 
All right. 

627
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,480
You're not going to get rid of 
Mendoza yet. 

628
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,840
I do believe there will be a 
point in time if this is not 

629
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920
cleaned up fairly soon, you've 
got to at least let Soto get 

630
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,320
back. 
Like to me, that's there to me. 

631
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,960
Now, some of you disagree, and 
that's fine. 

632
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,640
That's your prerogative. 
And, and maybe Cohen sees it 

633
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,560
more like you, there should be 
no real true, like true constant

634
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,680
dissection and discussion of 
Mendoza's job security yet. 

635
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,240
That will come all right, 
because I brought this up at the

636
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,400
end of last season. 
Stop short of saying I wouldn't 

637
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,040
bring him back. 
I brought it up going into the 

638
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,800
season and I've even mentioned 
it a points early this year. 

639
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,200
But that's different from saying
fire him. 

640
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,160
I'm not there yet. 
Now I don't myself. 

641
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:15,200
I don't really believe that 
Mendoza has the personality if 

642
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,960
the Mets internally like if the 
Met like the whatever the core, 

643
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,600
it's a new core if the Met 
players can't dig down and and 

644
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,600
find it themselves, you know, I 
don't love his post game press 

645
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
conferences very vanilla. 
And most of these guys are 

646
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,680
fairly vanilla, so I'm not sure 
I'm trying to be unfair to 

647
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,720
Mendoza, but I he doesn't 
project ultimate authority, you 

648
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,480
know, And when things are going 
sloppily and haphazardly and 

649
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,440
clearly in the wrong direction, 
which they are, you better find 

650
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,440
a way to fix it soon or Mendoza 
will be out. 

651
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,560
I mean, it's, it's just that 
simple. 

652
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
This is not coaching a little 
travel team in town where, you 

653
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,920
know, you win great, you lose 
whatever. 

654
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,000
You know, I mean, OK, you're not
going to get fired. 

655
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,600
You're not getting paid. 
You're doing it. 

656
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,960
You're doing it because you love
it. 

657
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,080
And you want to help kids, you 
know, fall in love with the game

658
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,760
and teach them life lessons and 
all that stuff that a lot of us 

659
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,240
do as, as coaches. 
But, you know, I can get fired, 

660
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,880
you know, if you lose 5/4 in the
semis because you sent the kid, 

661
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,040
you know, tagging up at third 
base and it was a close play and

662
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,160
the parents think it was the 
wrong call, then you lose by a 

663
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
run, you know, just doesn't work
that way. 

664
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,760
It's not pro sports. 
This is and this is big business

665
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
and this is big expectation and 
this is big money. 

666
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,800
And right now the results are 
not there. 

667
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:38,440
And it's a little compounded by 
the fact that the owner seems to

668
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,400
miss the mark a little too often
with his tweets. 

669
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,960
You know what I mean? 
At least that's what I think. 

670
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,800
Let me get Charlie. 
Get Charlie. 

671
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,840
F6675. 
Chuck, what's happening? 

672
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,920
Stearns did a good job fixing 
the starting pitching this year.

673
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,920
However, he created an offensive
mess by dissembling the Mets 

674
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,360
core, which Mets fans were 
mostly against. 

675
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,920
It's early, but by end of the 
year, Stearns is out. 

676
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Could be. 
Yeah. 

677
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,600
I mean, if the Mets win now, it 
it kind of helps. 

678
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,240
I know we hit a home run the 
other day, kind of helps that 

679
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,120
Pete's not not hitting three O 9
with eight home runs. 

680
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,719
And, you know, on pace to be the
April player of the month and 

681
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Baltimore's 12 and 4, whatever 
it might be. 

682
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,600
You know, he's languishing, 
Baltimore's languishing. 

683
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:25,000
But this was a monumental 
seismic shift in the direction 

684
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,760
of the Mets. 
And that is fully at the 

685
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,520
doorstep of David Stearns, which
is great if it works out, 

686
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,040
because there's no no one else 
is going to get the credit other

687
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,520
than you because you're the one 
who's hitting these levers here.

688
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,360
All right, Pete, you know what? 
And I just know that this is 

689
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
baseball philosophy. 
And I happen to agree with this 

690
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,480
because I am not a Mets fan. 
And, you know, I have stripped 

691
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,560
away sentimentality, even though
I like, I know it didn't seem 

692
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,080
like I really like Pete all 
those years on the fan. 

693
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:59,520
I did my I really like Pete. 
My issue with whether it's Pete 

694
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,160
or other players, like when 
they're positioned more than 

695
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,560
they are or you're talking a 
long term commitment, I've got 

696
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600
to incorporate some real 
baseball sensibility things that

697
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400
I subscribe to now. 
It's certainly your right to 

698
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,640
push back. 
Many of you did. 

699
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,400
It's certainly your right to 
agree. 

700
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Many of you have, you know, but 
when you're 30, early 30s, 

701
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
righty, you know, doesn't throw 
the ball well. 

702
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,880
But first, I know he picks it 
well. 

703
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,240
I get that prodigious power. 
Got it. 

704
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,440
I didn't think he was going to 
age very well. 

705
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,240
You know, he's just, he's not a 
plus defender. 

706
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,080
He's not a plus runner. 
He's a minus runner throwing the

707
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,200
ball. 
He's a minus defender, you know,

708
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,400
And again, it was more like if 
he was some great leader that I 

709
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,360
didn't think the Mets can 
function without. 

710
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Like if he was clearly captain 
material and guys gravitated to 

711
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560
him, then I may have had a 
little bit of a different take 

712
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,840
and may have been willing to 
sacrifice some of that baseball 

713
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,040
sensibility. 
Because to me, there's things 

714
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,880
that you can't quantify, you 
know, whether it's fan grabs or 

715
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,600
a baseball savant. 
If I thought and nobody thought 

716
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,400
this, but if I thought that Pete
was the indisputable leader of 

717
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,080
the New York Mets, even being 30
and being a righty first 

718
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,080
baseman, blah, blah, blah. 
All the things I've espoused for

719
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,160
now, a couple of years and I was
proven right, at least from a 

720
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,800
philosophical point of view, 
because the Mets moved on from 

721
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,120
him. 
They they were never getting, 

722
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,320
they weren't getting him four 
years. 

723
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Think about what they did the 
year before. 

724
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,440
Coming off the heck of a season.
He had 1 + 1. 

725
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,880
He opted out, Baltimore said. 
Here's five years, Mets said see

726
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,440
ya. 
So they obviously felt the way 

727
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600
that I felt. 
But yeah, I mean, you brought in

728
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,680
David Stearns to to alter this, 
alter the universe and get to a 

729
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160
championship. 
And the pitching is definitely 

730
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,760
better, which is why I'm not 
going nuts about the ultimate 

731
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,560
prospects of the Mets. 
I still think when it's all said

732
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,320
and done still now, if this goes
on another couple of weeks, I'm 

733
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,920
going to have to amend my my pre
season position here. 

734
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,400
I think I said the Mets would 
win 91 games and would be a wild

735
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,320
card team. 
I'm not going to jump off that 

736
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,520
just because we played three 
weeks, whatever it is, of of 

737
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,440
uninspiring, disconnected 
baseball. 

738
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,360
I got to say that you got to let
Soto get back and you got to let

739
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,640
things root a little bit. 
You know, let's see where they 

740
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,920
are when when McClain has 12 to 
13 starts and Peralta is, you 

741
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,600
know, fully filthy Peralta, 
which I believe he will will be,

742
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,720
you know, so and then let let 
let's see where the Mets are 

743
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,080
when Bichette hits 327 for a 
month, which I promise you he's 

744
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,960
going to. 
There's just things. 

745
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,840
It's it's I know we want it now,
but it's not like the NBA, 

746
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,480
unless I've always said this, 
you think about it. 

747
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,240
So Jay, pop in for a SEC, buddy.
Think about the NBA playoffs 

748
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,840
that were getting. 
I know it started with the, you 

749
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,120
know, playing games and all that
stuff, right? 

750
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,040
How about mellow? 
How about ball last night, huh? 

751
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Dude those games were wild. 
I don't know if you watched the 

752
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,720
Trail Blazers game. 
No, I saw the highlights. 

753
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,480
Any of it I saw the highlights 
was. 

754
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,320
Ridiculous. 
I saw the highlights, yeah. 

755
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,160
No, I was watching the Mets and 
my son had a game and I had a 

756
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,200
bunch of stuff going on, but I 
did. 

757
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaking of the Blazers, as a 
quick aside, have you seen the 

758
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,560
documentary on Netflix, Jail 
Blazers? 

759
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,360
Dude my roommate was watching it
yesterday I didn't see I didn't 

760
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680
watch it with him but he said it
was really good. 

761
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960
You got to watch this because 
this before your time. 

762
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,520
It was really, really well done.
Like it it's I think it was an 

763
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,400
hour and 10 minutes and it was 
so worth it. 

764
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Like, you know, Rasheed Wallace 
and Damon Stoudemire and then 

765
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,800
eventually, you know, Zach 
Randolph got there. 

766
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,080
Bonzi Wells. 
I mean, they just had a, a, a, a

767
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,000
cast of character that was wow, 
really, really well done. 

768
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,080
But the point is like, as we get
deeper, there might be an 

769
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,880
anomaly in the first round of 
the of the NBA playoffs. 

770
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680
I don't mean like a one seed or 
two seed losing, but something 

771
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,800
quirky might happen or a star 
might not shoot well. 

772
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,040
But I've always said this like, 
you're never going to see 

773
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:50,200
somebody like Durant or Steph or
LeBron or Jaylen Brunson. 

774
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Not to equate all four or five. 
I'm not saying Brunson's quite 

775
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,080
like the ramp, but you know what
I mean? 

776
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,160
He's the best player on the 
Knicks by far, and he's one of 

777
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,640
the most clutch players in the 
NBA. 

778
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,040
You're not going to see this 
precipitous drop from 25 1/2 

779
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040
points a game in a regular 
season to Jaylen Brunson 

780
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,280
averaged 9 points. 
You know, in the no, you just, 

781
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,320
you'll, you'll never see that 
ever. 

782
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,920
So but you do see Aaron Judge 
hitting the Buck 80 in the 

783
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,760
playoff series or Ted Williams 
in a very limited sample 

784
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,600
scuffling or Willie Mays in a 
very limited sample, having an 

785
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,920
OPS under 700, maybe under 600, 
at least under 7 small sample. 

786
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,640
But I mean, you can make the 
case Willie Mays might be the 

787
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,360
greatest player in the history 
of baseball. 

788
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,280
I know a lot of people say Babe 
Ruth. 

789
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,960
You could also say saying say 
Hank Aaron, who gets glossed 

790
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,200
over for summer. 
To me, Hank is kind of like 

791
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,000
Kareem, you know, in the sense 
like, you know, MJ, LeBron, 

792
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,240
Magic, Bird, Oscar, Will 
Russell. 

793
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,360
How about Kareem? 
Can we say Kareem and very 

794
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,280
similar to when you start 
ripping off the the luminaries 

795
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,320
of the of the great game of 
baseball. 

796
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,400
You get Ruth, you get Mays, you 
get mantle, you get Garrig, you 

797
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
get Tris Baker, you get Stan 
mutual, you get Ty Com. 

798
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,240
Oh yeah, Hank Aaron. 
He was pretty good too. 

799
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,840
Well, I like people just kind of
associate Hank. 

800
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
I don't mean those who really 
love the game, but oh, Hank, he 

801
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,320
has got the most home runs. 
You know where he had he's to 

802
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,400
me, he's still the home run 
king. 

803
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080
But no, look at the harpy eyes. 
Look at the double S look at the

804
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,280
All Star appearances. 
Look at everything he did, the 

805
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,960
lack. 
I mean, he's just ridiculous. 

806
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,360
And how he gets closed over. 
But even a guy like Hank Aaron 

807
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,800
or even I'm sure Babe Ruth had a
series that there was no wild 

808
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440
card that it was different. 
But I promise you, Babe Ruth, 

809
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,320
every single playoff series he 
had, I promise you did not hit 

810
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,800
375 with six home runs in an OPS
of 1200 doesn't work that way. 

811
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,280
So I just point that out because
if there's going to be 

812
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,760
fluctuations on the greatest 
stage of baseball by the 

813
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,560
greatest players in the history 
of baseball, why wouldn't there 

814
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,320
be fluctuations with good 
players or average players or 

815
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,600
even great players during the 
early stages of baseball? 

816
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,640
It's still the same sport with 
the same fail rate. 

817
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,920
It's just a different stage, but
it's the same premise. 

818
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,960
So that's where I am with the 
Mets and that's where I am with 

819
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Cohen. 
But you know, it's it's it's 

820
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,480
doesn't look good. 
I mean, it can't scratch out a 

821
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,320
hit. 
Let me get Ken C-N7 N thank you 

822
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,520
Kenny. 
Appreciate that Kenny from 

823
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,840
Yonkers, the more we have a new 
one. 

824
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,760
What's that? 
Another new one. 

825
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,320
No, the new one. 
Welcome to the fam. 

826
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Very nice. 
Love it. 

827
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,840
That's awesome, dude. 
I love how it's growing. 

828
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,920
That is great. 
Ken from Yonkers. 

829
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,120
Thank you, Ken. 
So the more I hear about last 

830
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,080
year's clubhouse, they should 
have traded Lindoor. 

831
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,760
He's the one who had a problem 
with everybody. 

832
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Nimmo, Soto, etcetera. 
Yeah. 

833
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,520
I mean, I I don't. 
I don't know. 

834
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,160
I don't, I don't know, Like I 
know Cohen said he's never going

835
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,240
to name a captain. 
Got it. 

836
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,760
OK, We've talked about that and 
mentioned it when he first said 

837
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,920
it. 
It came up the other day on the 

838
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640
show. 
But for everybody that was, you 

839
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680
know, basically making him the 
captain. 

840
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,200
The fact that they never made 
him the captain should probably 

841
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,400
tell you a little something that
I don't need a captain in base. 

842
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,880
I don't even need a captain in 
basketball. 

843
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,400
I need a captain and I need an A
on a sweater in hockey and 

844
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,440
that's it. 
And obviously, you know, in 

845
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,760
football you can have a middle 
linebacker calling out the 

846
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,360
plays, whatever it might be, you
know, the green dot. 

847
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,400
OK, communication with the 
coaches. 

848
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
You need that in in that kind of
a sport where you got to get 

849
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,800
guys in the right spot on. 
The communication is vital right

850
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,800
where, you know, in baseball, 
the only time you really 

851
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,920
communicate, obviously the 
catcher putting down signs and 

852
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,040
say a pop up, I got it. 
You know, the other guy backs 

853
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,440
off or he doesn't, you know, and
that's kind of or cut, you know,

854
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,720
a left cut, let it go. 
You know, like in terms of 

855
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:39,320
relays, it's kind of it really 
what what kind of communications

856
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,640
there in baseball. 
So while you know the, I mean 

857
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,200
David Wright I thought was a 
great captain, but I thought 

858
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,760
Keith was a great captain 
because even though he was wild 

859
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,440
in Saint Louis and still had a 
little bit of an edge when he 

860
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,840
got here, he was more mature. 
He had been through his drug 

861
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,760
trials. 
He had really gone through some 

862
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,560
self-imposed tribulations. 
And I thought Keith being the 

863
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,240
captain for that team was 
perfect. 

864
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,440
Now, it didn't help necessarily 
because Darryl stepped out of 

865
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,320
line and Doc was a mess and they
ridiculously got rid of Kevin 

866
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Mitchell because they thought 
that he was the problem and he 

867
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,640
wasn't. 
But you had so many young guys 

868
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,120
coming up and there was just, it
was a tumultuous time, the 80s 

869
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,760
and drugs and Wall Street and, 
you know, players first starting

870
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,760
to make real money. 
I I thought that was a good spot

871
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,400
for a captain. 
You know, does Aaron Judge need 

872
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,760
to be the captain of the 
Yankees? 

873
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,960
I don't think that he does. 
I I love that he is because I 

874
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,680
don't know that you can 
represent a brand or really 

875
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,960
humanity any better than Aaron 
Judge represents the brand and 

876
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,360
humanity. 
You know, I thought Derek Jeter 

877
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,200
was a was it was a captain by by
example. 

878
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,160
I could promise you that. 
You know, when somebody say 

879
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,200
Pedro threw over Kareem Garcia's
head, you guys remember that? 

880
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Or there was a fracas out in the
outfield bullpen. 

881
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,640
Remember that, that the Jeff 
Nelson was involved in that. 

882
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Or when Armando Benitez hit Tino
after the was that Tim Raines 

883
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,080
after the Raines home run and or
or bird one of those guys. 

884
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,920
But you got to say that after a 
home run, I think it was Raines 

885
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,280
could be burn either way. 
Maybe maybe I have to invert 

886
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,120
that. 
But he got drilled and that 

887
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,320
wound up hurting him for most of
the season and it altered his 

888
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,720
numbers and they had this 
massive fight that's building 

889
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,160
the dugout. 
I can promise you that. 

890
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,160
Like after that game, Derek 
Jeter, even though he was the 

891
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,160
captain, was not addressing the 
team. 

892
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,160
You know, that would have been 
somebody like, you know, 

893
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,920
especially as you got deeper 
into those Yankee teams where 

894
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,720
Posada was the starting catcher.
That's Posada territory. 

895
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,000
You know, that's Daryl. 
I think maybe that night 

896
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,280
stepping up and saying 
something, you know, that's 

897
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,880
somebody like Tino, who was, you
know, gritty and didn't say a 

898
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,560
lot, but kind of a tough guy or 
an O'Neal. 

899
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,160
That wasn't Derek's role. 
And the captaincy can be worn 

900
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,880
many different ways. 
You could have an emotional 

901
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,960
captain like Josh Hart, even 
though he's not a captain to me,

902
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,840
in a lot of ways, he exudes 
Captain C for the Knicks on a 

903
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,360
night to night basis. 
But he's he's not the captain 

904
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,280
very easily could be. 
So, yeah, I mean, I remember Sal

905
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,000
saying, I don't know what it 
was, but at some point bringing 

906
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,320
up the the thought of a maybe 
the Mets should trade Lindor. 

907
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,000
Maybe they should be open to it.
I mean, let's let's face it, 

908
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,600
guys, Francisco Lindor. 
And I'm not dropping this hole 

909
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
at his doorstep. 
I'm not Lindor's been here for 

910
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,240
over a half a decade at this 
point. 

911
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,600
And when you really think about 
his tenure, and I'm not 

912
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,600
attributing this all to him, 
that will be unfair. 

913
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,560
But when you think about 
Lindor's run as a met, haven't 

914
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,120
there been more issues than high
points, whether it's infighting 

915
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,840
perceived or real, you know, 
with with McNeil and the raccoon

916
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,920
and what I mean, things happen. 
I don't really care that much 

917
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,960
back then, but you know, I mean,
and now you see on opening day 

918
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,840
and I get, I didn't make much of
this because I don't want to be 

919
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,600
unfair. 
He just had hand surgery. 

920
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,120
I, I don't know, maybe it's 
that. 

921
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,960
But like if you saw as they were
introduced along the first 

922
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,760
baseline there, if you saw the 
exchanges with Soto and 

923
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,040
everybody else, and then you saw
the exchange with Soto and 

924
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,240
Lendore. 
And then you just kind of, you 

925
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,920
know, piece together the other 
things that have happened or 

926
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,320
have been whispered to have 
happened behind closed doors. 

927
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:18,920
It's pretty freaking hard not to
sit there and say, I mean, maybe

928
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,600
it is Lindor a little bit. 
You know the one thing about 

929
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,320
Francisco Lindor, he's a really 
good player. 

930
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,520
He's going to be in the Hall of 
Fame. 

931
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,200
He's one of the best short stops
in baseball. 

932
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,280
But night to night, he's not. 
He's not so great. 

933
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,720
He's not so old time that 
whatever he is bringing in terms

934
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,040
of maybe some other stuff or 
some other baggage if true, or 

935
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,840
some other noise, that it's 
always fully worth it. 

936
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,640
So if you told me that the Mets,
you know, whether it's this past

937
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,560
offseason or at the deadline or 
this offseason coming up, going 

938
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,640
into the 20, if there's even 
baseball in 2027 that somebody 

939
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,440
offers, you know, something 
enticing for Lindor. 

940
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,240
And this point, I'm not really 
sure why you would because he's 

941
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,880
got a lot of money. 
He's got a couple of years to 

942
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,760
go. 
Not quite the same defensive 

943
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,680
player that he was. 
Look back at last year's 

944
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,960
numbers. 
You know, he obviously starts 

945
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,760
slow. 
He's a little bit up and down in

946
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,360
terms of statistical 
performance. 

947
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,120
But if that ever crossed 
Stearns, his table, you'd be an 

948
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,880
idiot not to investigate it 
further. 

949
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,680
And then I think you'd be a dope
not to pursue it. 

950
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,840
And if it makes sense, and even 
if you get $0.85 on the dollar, 

951
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,360
I think that you pulled the 
trigger. 

952
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,720
I would like if I'm running the 
Mets, like I have no problem 

953
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,920
saying that it's probably, you 
know, time more so than not to 

954
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,360
turn the page and move on from 
the French from the Francisco 

955
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,520
Lindor era. 
And and there's a chance of a 

956
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,760
year or two that that entire 
core is wiped out and it's Soto 

957
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,680
and hopefully binge. 
If you know, if he if he 

958
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,000
develops and I like him, he's 
young. 

959
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,800
You know, Polanco is going to be
gone at that point. 

960
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Simeon will be gone at that 
point. 

961
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,760
Hopefully Alvarez and you know, 
some others and and and Tong and

962
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,240
Christian Scott and some of 
their other young pitchers. 

963
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Obviously McClain. 
I I don't know, I don't know, 

964
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,880
but it just seems like every 
year there's just something 

965
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,920
about the Mets that's either all
for just wildly inconsistent or 

966
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,920
there's some sort of friction. 
Shouldn't be that way. 

967
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Like it shouldn't be that hard 
every year with that payroll to 

968
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,000
just have a consistently good 
year like that. 

969
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,800
Shouldn't be that evasive, but 
it has been so far. 

970
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,800
Let me get Vince 908 BT Do you 
do you? 

971
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,640
I think you meant do you agree 
with me? 

972
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,240
If the Mets stood pat and didn't
move Alonzo and McNeil, they 

973
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,280
would probably be in worse shape
right now. 

974
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
I definitely agree with the 
moves that Sterns made. 

975
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:45,040
Well, I don't think the time to 
to write that to me is today, 

976
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Vince, with all due respect and 
thank you for that. 

977
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,640
Only because the Mets are 7 and 
11. 

978
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,560
Like if the Mets were 12:00 and 
6:00, if the Mets were 13 and 

979
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,760
five, all right, you can pump 
out your chest and say you see, 

980
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
it was the core. 
It wasn't right. 

981
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,000
The chemistry was off. 
They didn't complement each 

982
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,960
other well. 
All right, Hey, good moves. 

983
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,600
But they're 7:00 and 11:00. 
They had four hits last night. 

984
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,080
They're lucky if they score a 
run. 

985
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,560
I mean, they're they were at 
home for what, six games? 

986
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,480
They had five extra base hits. 
You look up it's it's zero after

987
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,080
0 after 0 after zero. 
And there's also been and many 

988
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,280
have been attributed to Lindor 
too many moments where you're 

989
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160
like, is this team even buttoned
up, buttoned up or or locked in 

990
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,240
and focused? 
So I wouldn't say that now. 

991
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,600
I don't think that that's the 
time to to write that. 

992
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,120
But if you believe that, that's 
fine. 

993
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Marciano 1320. 
I know a team who needs a lead 

994
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,320
off bat or a shortstop. 
The Yankees bet you'd ship them 

995
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,000
to to the I don't want Lindor. 
I'm good, I'm good. 

996
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,000
I don't I don't want Lindor. 
No, I mean, that's a short 

997
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,560
answer. 
I don't want Francisco Lindor on

998
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,920
the Yankees. 
They would never make that high 

999
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,920
profile of a trade. 
What I want is now and the 

1000
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,960
Yankees have their own issues. 
Listen, the more than Aaron 

1001
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,360
Boone sits Ben Rice, the more 
I'm going to just start getting 

1002
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,640
on Aaron Boone. 
Enough of this nonsense. 

1003
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,800
Enough of this sitting Ben Rice.
Ben Rice needs to play every 

1004
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,200
single day. 
You all right, you. 

1005
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
So let's say you're facing the 
Red Sox. 

1006
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,000
You know Ben Rice isn't, you 
know, looking good or even 

1007
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,040
looking bad. 
You know, you want to give him a

1008
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,240
a day off against school bull. 
You want to get Garrett Crochet 

1009
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,480
if Randy Johnson was pitching 
all right, Steve Carlton with 

1010
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,120
that nasty wipeout slider, All 
right, I got it. 

1011
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,520
There is no reason, there's no 
rhyme or reason to sitting Ben 

1012
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,280
Rice with this C minus lineup 
that where hold on. 

1013
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,360
So last night, just so you know,
I'm not I'm not some met hater. 

1014
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,760
I'm an equal opportunist basher.
When it's when it's time to bash

1015
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,280
last night, well, start from 
getting their ass kicked again. 

1016
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,360
The the Yankees tried it out 
this lineup, All right, this was

1017
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,720
their lineup. 
And understand guys, their 

1018
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:01,480
payroll is $330 million. 
This is what the Yankees thought

1019
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:06,840
was a good lineup to roll out. 
Goldschmidt age 38, bat and lead

1020
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,000
off. 
Don't like it. 

1021
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Aaron Judge second, he's the 
man. 

1022
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,280
Rosario batting 3rd batting. 
I like that he's on the team. 

1023
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,360
He's got a role. 
He mashes against lefties. 

1024
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,240
I don't love him on defense, but
batting third. 

1025
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Rosario in the four hole. 
Obviously Stanton is going to 

1026
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,680
run him out there, so he's no 
longer here. 

1027
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,160
Trent Grisham. 
I know he had a couple of bombs 

1028
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,960
the night before. 
Stunner, 3 strikeouts, O for 

1029
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,280
four, back to hit in $1.60 grit.
Chick who had finally had a hit,

1030
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,600
First hit of the year. 
Austin Wells, who's hitting 190.

1031
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,440
Caballero. 
That's the Yankees lineup. 

1032
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:50,200
Goldschmidt, Judge, Rosario, 
Stanton, Grisham, Grichek, Wells

1033
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,400
and Caballero. 
And the Yankees have a $333 

1034
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,320
million payroll. 
If you and I know most of it's 

1035
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,920
devoted to pitching, that's kind
of the point. 

1036
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,000
If you are spending that kind of
money on a Major League team and

1037
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,480
you run out that kind of lineup 
once, you should be banned from 

1038
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,960
baseball. 
And that's more on Cashman than 

1039
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,840
on Boone. 
But I didn't like the like Ben 

1040
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,760
Rice not play and then the like 
what Aaron said, you know, I 

1041
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,040
like to be able to fire that 
that, I don't know, hit the 

1042
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,200
button, fire the button with 
Benny in a spot to pinch hit to 

1043
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,000
get a sack fly when you're 
losing 7 nothing. 

1044
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,160
Would you play him every day? 
Here's the only variance to Ben 

1045
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,960
Rice. 
This the only thing that you 

1046
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:39,880
change when there's a righty. 
Ben Rice should be batting 3rd 

1047
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,920
every single game. 
It should be. 

1048
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,920
I mean what it should be is at 
this point until they find 

1049
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,040
something better from a trade. 
Quan whatever. 

1050
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:55,880
Bellinger 1 lefty Aaron Judge 2 
righty Ben Rice 3 lefty 

1051
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,080
Giancarlo Stanton 4 righty. 
Like that should be it every 

1052
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,400
single. 
I don't care. 

1053
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Well, said somebody that's no 
longer with us. 

1054
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,880
So I don't care if Pedro comes 
out of retirement and entices 

1055
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,280
some team to sign him and he's 
still filthy with that sick 

1056
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,520
change up and throwing gas 
upstairs and unhittable, You 

1057
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,480
know, I think you might be the 
greatest he or Seaver, the 

1058
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,200
greatest right-handed pitchers 
of all time. 

1059
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,160
That's why I say I pull Pedro. 
If Pedro comes out of retirement

1060
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,960
and is vintage Pedro, Ben Rice 
should still hit third. 

1061
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,680
It should be Bellinger who can 
hit and run, Judge who can hit 

1062
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,680
and run, Rice who can bash and 
is always on base, and then 

1063
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,880
Stanton who's going to start 
running into some home runs. 

1064
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,200
That again, the only variant 
should be when you have a tough 

1065
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,520
lefty. 
I wouldn't even sit him. 

1066
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,480
All right, let's drop him down 
to 5 or 6. 

1067
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,480
You're facing crochet, you're 
up. 

1068
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,520
You're out in Comerica against 
the Tigers or the Tigers rolled 

1069
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,520
school Bull go fine, fine. 
Then you drop him. 

1070
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:00,000
That line up last night was, it 
was sick and it was repulsive. 

1071
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,520
The line up that the Yankees ran
out last night, and I don't care

1072
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,160
that it's April. 
I don't. 

1073
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,240
I remember. 
I don't want to contradict 

1074
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,720
myself because I do believe 
this, but when you're not 

1075
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:13,440
playing well, the experiments 
got to stop. 

1076
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,720
If you're playing well and you 
want to mess around, you want to

1077
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,520
make maybe sacrifice a game in 
April for the greater good. 

1078
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,640
I get that because what I 
remember saying on The Fan last 

1079
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,520
year, what baseball's turned 
into really is the first part of

1080
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,720
the, let's say the 1st 40 games.
See what you got, see what you 

1081
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,600
got. 
This applies to any team. 

1082
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,880
So out outside of maybe the 
Rockies and like 3-4, five other

1083
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,960
teams, every other team that has
a chance to win, see what you 

1084
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,920
have for the first break, spring
training, start the season, play

1085
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,040
40, see what you got. 
The next 40 games after that 

1086
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,720
should be an acknowledgement of 
what you don't have and then the

1087
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,960
pursuit as you lead up to the 
deadline eventually to get what 

1088
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,120
you don't have. 
And then once you do that, then 

1089
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,680
the final 40 ish games or 
whatever percentage you want to 

1090
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,320
attribute to it. 
Right, is now everything 

1091
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,040
coalescing hopefully. 
And then you making your run and

1092
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,120
and really tighten things up 
with the adjustments that have 

1093
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,520
addressed the weaknesses. 
And now it's full board. 

1094
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Let's go get a championship. 
So see what you got, get what 

1095
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,960
you don't and then run out what 
you have based on what you 

1096
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,160
didn't that you got. 
But you can't when when you look

1097
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,880
the way that they look, lose 
five straight shoot out with the

1098
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,080
with the with the angels. 
And then, you know, and then you

1099
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,240
trot that line up out there. 
I it's it's just mystifying. 

1100
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,640
I don't get it. 
I really don't. 

1101
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,400
And I would I would say that to 
Aaron. 

1102
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,480
I will ask Aaron that when I get
him up. 

1103
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,720
Like, I don't know how you write
out that lineup. 

1104
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,120
I just don't know how. 
It makes no sense to me. 

1105
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,520
You know, again, a lot of that's
on Cashman, $333 million, and 

1106
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,840
those are the names that you're 
giving the manager a chance to 

1107
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,920
run out. 
But I can't exonerate Aaron 

1108
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,960
Boone fully because he's sad. 
Ben Rice, outside of Aaron 

1109
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Judge, he's the best hitter on 
the team. 

1110
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,600
And the other guys stink. 
So it's not like you got, you 

1111
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,200
know, Tino and Bernie and and 
Bosada and obviously Jeter and 

1112
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,280
whether it's not being second or
Soriano, whatever it might be, 

1113
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,840
you got six guys who stink who 
play every night. 

1114
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,080
So we got it. 
We do have some baseball issues 

1115
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,880
here, in case you couldn't tell,
right, Jane, the Yankees made 

1116
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,800
the World Series in 2024, were 
throwing the same exact lineup 

1117
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,520
every single day and day in and 
day out. 

1118
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,040
People knew their role. 
I believe in that 100%. 

1119
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,360
I believe in that. 
You know, it's not you know, 

1120
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,960
it's athletes are creatures of 
habit. 

1121
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,080
They just are and they always 
will be. 

1122
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,240
All right. 
So whether it's and now Mike 

1123
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,640
Brown's going to have to show 
that that he can handle this, 

1124
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,880
like his rotation and the 
allocation of minutes, he 

1125
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,920
started to figure things out a 
little bit at the end and a 

1126
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,640
little more pick and roll with 
Kat and Brunson. 

1127
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Which is why I'm probably as 
enthused about the Knicks I've 

1128
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,760
been probably since they won the
Cup, because after that they 

1129
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,520
fell and then I've had myriad 
issues with them since. 

1130
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,600
But it's all about identifying 
what players do well, what they 

1131
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,680
don't, and then putting them in 
a spot to succeed inevitably. 

1132
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,440
And when guys are bouncing 
around like there's a routine 

1133
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,440
that you just want to know that 
you're going to hit certain 

1134
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,040
point each day. 
You're going to hit, you know, 

1135
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,720
whether it's in the two or three
hole, you know, you're getting 

1136
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,680
up right away. 
If you're hitting five, you, you

1137
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,320
probably, you know, you might 
not get up in the first inning. 

1138
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,040
You know, you know who's in 
front of you. 

1139
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,200
You can look at pitch patterns. 
Like there's a commonality, I 

1140
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,960
think to teams that really win 
big. 

1141
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,880
Ultimately, there's a 
consistency in terms of who they

1142
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,680
run out there, you know what I 
mean? 

1143
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,600
No big time. 
You know, hang on, Jay, I got to

1144
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,600
grab something. 
Hold on one second. 

1145
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,360
Nah, you chilling. 
You chilling shut. 

1146
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,480
Something off there. 
OK, yeah, Back say you chilling?

1147
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,560
You chilling? 
If Lombard is called up, where 

1148
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,000
is he in the lineup? 
Marciano. 

1149
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,920
Well, I mean, listen, you know, 
it's, it's early for him. 

1150
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,440
It's early. 
I saw him bang another one last 

1151
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,960
night. 
Or Zach Wheeler, a ringing 

1152
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,560
double the other way, you know, 
although that that probably 

1153
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,480
wouldn't be good for Steve Cohen
because he doesn't like when 

1154
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,480
Bouchette goes the other way, 
which is what good hitters 

1155
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,240
usually do, Which is part of the
reason why, you know, I was 

1156
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,120
having a little fun with the 
tweet that I put out. 

1157
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,600
But while I defend Cohen kind of
a little bit today, that just 

1158
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,200
made no sense from a baseball 
point of view. 

1159
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Because to think about this when
if you've ever played baseball, 

1160
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,120
you know, certainly when you 
take BP, the last thing you want

1161
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,240
to do is is just try to hammer, 
you know, room service, 60 mile 

1162
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,360
per hour meatball batting 
practice pitches from some 60 

1163
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,080
year old coach, 473 feet. 
That does nothing. 

1164
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,760
You've got to have a plan. 
And really the plan is whether 

1165
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,160
you're 8 years old or 27 or 33 
or, you know, Judge or Trout, 

1166
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,240
really what you want to do. 
You want to let the bull travel 

1167
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,720
deep because when you let the 
bull travel deep, you're not out

1168
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,600
in front. 
And now at a young age that you 

1169
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,000
can get away with it because the
change ups and the curves aren't

1170
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,600
as biting and they don't throw 
it as much, but so you can kind 

1171
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,280
of sit fastball, you could 
almost sell out. 

1172
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,560
But there's a, there's a real 
expiration point for that. 

1173
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,560
And depending upon high, how 
high of a level you play, you 

1174
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,760
know, on the on the youth level,
it might be as soon as 10 or 11 

1175
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,520
years old if you're playing 
against some of these, some of 

1176
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,800
these great young players 
because they can mix in the 

1177
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,960
change, hopefully not curves, 
but certainly change UPS. 

1178
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,920
Anyway, when you let the ball 
travel deep, you're going to hit

1179
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,800
it up the middle and you're 
going to hit it the other way. 

1180
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,280
How many times have you heard 
whether it's O'Neil or, you 

1181
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,200
know, Girardi or Keith when 
you're watching a Yankee or, and

1182
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,760
I'm sure all the other 
broadcasters doing around 

1183
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,280
baseball as well. 
When you're watching a Yankee or

1184
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,960
Met game and there's a guy who's
in a funk like, you know, one 

1185
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,520
for 17/2 for 20 and you know, he
rifles a base hit the other way 

1186
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,880
almost all the time, they will 
point out, hey, that could be a 

1187
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,600
good sign. 
You know, it's getting a little 

1188
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,760
bit more locked in. 
That's why when you're when 

1189
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,120
you're, when you're taking BP, 
you're really, you should be 

1190
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,320
trying to hit the, excuse me, 
try to hit the L screen. 

1191
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,760
Try to send it back, like do 
some situational stuff, hit him 

1192
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,640
up the middle, hit some the 
other way and then obviously, 

1193
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,920
you know, smash some of the end 
and then you know, kind of build

1194
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,520
out the portfolio of swings. 
But yes, back to Lombard because

1195
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,960
he did hit one to right field 
last night. 

1196
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,840
Looks phenomenal. 
You know, he's beginning to grow

1197
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,880
into his body. 
He's almost 63. 

1198
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,480
He's 191 lbs. 
He can run. 

1199
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,080
His defense has been certainly 
last year ahead of his offense 

1200
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,880
where he struggled the AA after 
ripping apart Hi A. 

1201
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,080
Now he's a AA. 
You know, he faced a a terrific 

1202
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,880
Major League pitcher on a rehab 
assignment. 

1203
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,040
I read some of the comments Zach
Wheeler said post game like like

1204
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,000
reading his swings, like he he's
doesn't mean he's going to be 

1205
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,320
right, but makes you feel a 
little bit better about it. 

1206
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Like Zach's like no, he's got a 
plan and his he is he's actually

1207
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,320
said his swing is really on 
plane, which means even if he's 

1208
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,320
fooled a little bit, he still is
back path is and his barrels in 

1209
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,200
the right spot. 
And you do that more times than 

1210
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,960
not, you're going to have more 
success right. 

1211
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,320
So I would I would I promise you
if you take somebody like an 

1212
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,520
Austin Wells or a Volpe who came
back last night as well over 22 

1213
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,480
strikeouts, but it just getting 
going here. 

1214
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,640
If you look at those lower 
average lower on base guys, 

1215
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,520
right. 
I promise you that the one of 

1216
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,920
the reasons, whether it's a 
pitch recognition thing or 

1217
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,480
what's you what Zach Wheeler 
said about not being on plane 

1218
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,120
consistently. 
That is part of the reason 

1219
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,880
hitters are either elite or 
they're not. 

1220
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,320
And obviously vision comes into 
play and some other 

1221
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,080
characteristics that I'm not 
going to bore you with. 

1222
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,640
But being on planes, a 
phenomenal start to being an 

1223
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,800
awesome hitter. 
And when Zach Wheeler says that 

1224
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,480
Lombard's on, but that George 
Lombard on on plane, I love it. 

1225
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,680
Now, listen, I I don't think 
they're going to call him up 

1226
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,360
this year, but let let's just 
play this out. 

1227
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,760
And I'm not in a rush to call 
him up yet because it is April, 

1228
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,160
but and I want to see what Volpe
looks like, like if Volpe ever 

1229
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:59,840
comes back and is, is actually 
like good, you know, now the 

1230
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,520
lower third of the order changes
a bit. 

1231
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160
Now Caballero's back to the 
Super sub spot, blah, blah, 

1232
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,680
blah. 
Now if McMahon still stinks, he 

1233
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,040
will Now he can play Rosario and
Caballero with third base a 

1234
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,760
little bit and have both both 
feet short. 

1235
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,560
There's too many variables for 
me to give you a definitive time

1236
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,880
where, if or when I would call 
Lombard up. 

1237
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,400
But we're going to push this 
forward. 

1238
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,200
So it's middle of April sitting 
basically 390. 

1239
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,400
It's got 7 extra base hits. 
Looks phenomenal. 

1240
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,080
I saw another stat yesterday. 
Oh God. 

1241
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,440
One of the guys that I coached 
with my buddy Mike, before the 

1242
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,440
game started, he actually said, 
did you see the stab with 

1243
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,120
Lombard? 
And I said I I did, but I but I 

1244
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,440
actually forgot the exact 
number. 

1245
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,440
It was something like of the 50 
before last night, of the 53 

1246
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:48,120
pitches that he has seen out of 
the zone, Lombard only swung at 

1247
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,520
1:00. 
Something in that neighborhood, 

1248
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,720
which obviously speaks to an 
aptitude, right? 

1249
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,920
Something like that. 
It is. 

1250
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Let's see, it's something it's 
it's along those lines. 

1251
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,560
Yeah, it's, you don't have to 
look it up, J You're good. 

1252
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,760
It's something like that's close
enough. 

1253
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,000
I mean, listen, eventually he's 
going to go into a little 

1254
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,800
tailspin here because he I, I 
mean, unless he just really is 

1255
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,760
like, you know, a young a rod or
something like that. 

1256
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,000
But I don't want to put that 
pressure on him. 

1257
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,280
So eventually he's going to have
a funk. 

1258
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,360
I mean, if he's hitting 3:30 and
we're in early July, well, then 

1259
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,880
obviously, you know, you punt 
them up to triple AI don't think

1260
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,080
they would go from double to 
triple to to the bigs. 

1261
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,520
You give him a look in the in, 
you know, at the highest level 

1262
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,880
of the minors. 
And if he looks good there and 

1263
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,320
the Yankees are really 
scuffling. 

1264
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,760
Not that they can let 
desperation determine what they 

1265
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,720
do, but you know, if he really 
does look different and he truly

1266
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,840
looks ready and he's a plus 
fielder, which everybody thinks 

1267
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,560
he's going to be. 
So it's not just a stick. 

1268
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,080
Whereas the leather is going to 
hurt you. 

1269
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,120
Even if he goes over 4, his 
speed and defensive prowess can 

1270
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,760
actually help. 
And maybe there is a a window 

1271
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,880
for him to get called up this 
year and to push it even more 

1272
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,920
further if he is. 
And I know there's a lot of 

1273
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,440
contingencies here. 
I'm just responding to the text 

1274
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,360
there. 
I'm going to drop him in the 

1275
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,760
bottom of the order. 
You're not going to start put 

1276
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,240
him in the one of the two hole. 
Not yet. 

1277
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,080
I mean, but so I mean, that's 
how I would react to that. 

1278
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,080
We shall see. 
Nice putt. 

1279
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,560
Nice putt. 
All right, I'm going to keep 

1280
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,160
shouting this. 
Eat the 22 mil and get Tatis 

1281
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,320
here. 
Let's go hard at the Trout as 

1282
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,600
well. 
I'll take my chances on his age.

1283
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,480
He's still better than Grisham. 
Yeah, I mean, somebody you, you 

1284
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,120
hear this a lot with NBA players
like, you know, guys who are in,

1285
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,640
you know, just situations where 
there's just nothing competitive

1286
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,080
and there's no structure and 
then they get to a situation. 

1287
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,400
It's funny. 
I was talking about the jail 

1288
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,960
Blazers documentary on Netflix. 
Even though Rashid Wallace was a

1289
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,280
terrific player with the Blazers
and he was still a little 

1290
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,440
volatile and a little 
emotionally erratic when he went

1291
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,200
to the Pistons. 
Think about how he conformed 

1292
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,240
more because you had Billups and
you had Tayshawn and you had Ben

1293
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,560
Wallace and you had Rick 
Carlisle. 

1294
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,800
You had like a stabilized, oh, 
Larry Brown won the championship

1295
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,800
at Carlisle was before Larry. 
You know, you had more more 

1296
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,120
insulation, more 
professionalism, just more 

1297
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,400
expectations. 
And you can port yourself a 

1298
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,680
little bit differently from an 
emotional perspective. 

1299
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,480
And there's a deeper level of 
engagement that generally leads 

1300
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,560
to better results if you've got 
that requisite talent like she'd

1301
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,280
and many others do. 
I mean, I listen, I said this 

1302
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,160
over the window over the winter.
I would like to see the Yankees 

1303
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,360
get Mike Trout. 
You know, I, I would. 

1304
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,600
And he looks energized. 
You know, I know he and Trout, 

1305
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,320
Judge and Trout have a great 
relationship. 

1306
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,080
Who knows? 
But they're not going to cut. 

1307
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,400
You got to stop texting me the 
eat the money on Trent. 

1308
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,960
They're not going to cut Trent 
Grisham. 

1309
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,040
They're not going to do that. 
And they shouldn't. 

1310
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,000
He had 34 home runs last year 
and I'm not even a big fan. 

1311
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,360
But he he did prove to be 
incredibly viable a year ago. 

1312
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,560
And now the problem is that was 
the one year out of five where 

1313
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,400
he was actually a good player. 
But they're just not going to do

1314
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,880
it. 
I mean, they didn't even want to

1315
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,040
eat the money on Gallo when they
brought Gallo here. 

1316
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,080
And they don't want to eat the 
money on Hicks. 

1317
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,160
And they just don't eat money 
that often. 

1318
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,560
So to think that they'll need 
$22 million or at this point you

1319
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,880
probably got about 19 change 
left, whatever it is, something 

1320
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,520
like that. 
If you do the math, not going to

1321
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,800
happen a trade. 
You know, you're going to go 

1322
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,080
back to the he's going to go 
back to the Padres. 

1323
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,360
The Padres want him. 
I mean, Tati, sure. 

1324
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,560
I mean that that's the kind of, 
you know, all the round 

1325
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,880
explosive electric weapon that 
the Yankees need. 

1326
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,640
I mean, his arm in the outfield,
his defensive metrics are sick. 

1327
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,200
I mean, the guy's the guy's a 
stud. 

1328
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,920
But Padres are off to a good 
start and we'll see. 

1329
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,040
I don't call them that. 
So I'll just say Stevie, if 

1330
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,520
Stevie wants to turn around that
he needs to hire a bleep and 

1331
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,800
manager with balls, hire Wally 
Backman. 

1332
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,880
I mean, we're going to get back 
on the wildly train here. 

1333
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,200
Sal Capello, 3032. 
I love Wally Backman. 

1334
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,000
I mean, that ship sailed many 
years ago. 

1335
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,800
If and when if he should get 
fired, it's going to be Korea or

1336
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,040
maybe even Beltran. 
It's it. 

1337
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,320
I can promise you it's it's not 
going to be Wally Backman. 

1338
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,440
You know, Wally, the video, you 
don't even know who Wally back 

1339
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,920
when it is Jay, you're probably 
too young, but there's a video 

1340
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,160
when he was on YouTube managing.
It was one of the first YouTube 

1341
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,120
videos I think I saw now that I 
yeah, I think about it, think 

1342
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,120
about this. 
He was managing some minor 

1343
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,360
league team and he just, I, he, 
he was a nut ball. 

1344
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,960
I loved it. 
And there was a lot of talk 

1345
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,400
where, you know, going back 
like, you know, 56878 years 

1346
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,200
where a lot of met fans were 
clamoring for Wally because 

1347
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,240
there would be this intensity. 
But that ship is sailed. 

1348
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,120
And I've got great respect for 
the way Wally played the game, 

1349
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,920
and I'm Wally Backman fan, but 
that simply is not going to 

1350
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,680
happen. 
Would you like me to hit you 

1351
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,920
with Mel Kiper's final Mock the 
Top 10? 

1352
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,880
Yeah, let's do it, Let's do it. 
I got it, let's do it. 

1353
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,600
You can do it, you can do it. 
Mel Kiper's top 10. 

1354
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,640
All right, we know Mendoza's got
Mendoza going one to the 

1355
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,680
Raiders, The Jets at #2 So what 
I did was before I continue, I 

1356
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:02,160
picked out the the top, the top 
10 picks here and then I cherry 

1357
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,240
picked some other interesting 
names or angles throughout round

1358
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,200
one. 
So I've got 10. 

1359
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,160
I've got about 14 or 15 things 
for you, OK #1 Mendoza, Raiders 

1360
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,439
#2 Jets, David Bailey, Texas 
Tech #3 or Val Reese, which 

1361
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:22,560
obviously before last week, 
before Schrager mocked Bailey to

1362
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,960
The Jets. 
Reese by everybody was really #2

1363
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,880
to The Jets. 
That seemingly has flipped. 

1364
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,399
The odds reflect that, but we'll
see. 

1365
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,680
Bailey to Reese, Ohio State, 3 
to the Cards, the Titans #4 

1366
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,279
Jeremiah Love, running back, 
Notre Dame #5 Caleb Downs, the 

1367
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,600
Giants, John Harbaugh's first 
pick Now I think, I think the 

1368
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,760
Giants could trade. 
I think the Giants could go 

1369
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,040
online. 
I don't think the Giants will go

1370
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,840
receiver 5. 
Some people do. 

1371
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,040
Some people would like to see 
that. 

1372
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,319
I would not do that myself. 
Not when somebody like Caleb 

1373
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,840
Downs or Sonny Styles or Fido, 
you know, from Utah, the old 

1374
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,720
lineman. 
There's other things that I 

1375
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,319
would do if I'm them, but it 
Mel's got them taking Caleb 

1376
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:04,880
Downs. 
And if you remember when 

1377
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,319
Horribaugh was hired, he was on 
Mike Frances's podcast and Mike 

1378
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,479
brought up because obviously 
there was a great safety play 

1379
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,680
with the Ravens. 
Caleb Downs, his name was 

1380
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,319
brought up. 
And Horribaugh was very 

1381
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,399
effusive. 
And I was not a smokescreen. 

1382
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,000
You know, I think Horribaugh was
just like, yeah, I love this 

1383
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:20,720
kid. 
He's phenomenal. 

1384
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,359
But we'll see if they take him. 
That's the mock there with 

1385
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,319
kuiper #5 number six. 
He did project a trade where 

1386
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:32,439
Dallas, who has the number 12 in
the number 20 pick, Dallas picks

1387
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:37,520
trades with Cleveland and Dallas
winds up picking Sonny Styles. 

1388
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,560
That makes sense. 
I could see that happening. 

1389
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,880
The Commanders, who I could also
see make it a trade here. 

1390
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,359
Mel's got him sticking put. 
We're staying put. 

1391
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,000
Cornell Tate. 
And there was some other 

1392
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,479
rumblings there, Jeremiah. 
Some others say that The Jets 

1393
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,320
might move up and make a trade 
and take Cornell trade. 

1394
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,680
Yeah. 
Cornell Tate, wide receiver. 

1395
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,080
Either way, commander, 7, Tate, 
wide receiver. 

1396
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:02,480
Ruben Bain, of course, from 
Miami, the edge with the short 

1397
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,320
arms. 
But the hell of a player going 8

1398
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,360
to the Saints, the Chiefs, and I
do believe they're going wide 

1399
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,920
receiver. 
Jordan Tyson, Arizona State, the

1400
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,960
Bengals, Mansour, Delane, he's a
corner from LSU. 

1401
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,200
I'm not even sure if he's the 
best corner. 

1402
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,160
I like McCoy as well. 
That's close there. 

1403
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,880
All right, so those are the top 
10 for Mel and then you can 

1404
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,080
leave that up here. 
I'll get to some of these 

1405
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,080
football questions as well. 
Let me see. 

1406
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:34,360
He's got the bucks at 15 taking 
Kenyan Siddiq, a tight end at 

1407
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,440
somebody I would like The Jets 
to keep an eye on. 

1408
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,280
We've talked about that on jets 
Collective. 

1409
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,440
Talked about it here. 
By the way, Jets Collective 

1410
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:44,840
tonight episode 4 like it sub it
myself, Rich Simini, Jake Asman,

1411
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:50,560
the Bucks with Sadiq, The Jets 
at 16, Cooper wide receiver from

1412
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:55,480
Indiana. 
All right, the Browns at 24. 

1413
01:10:55,480 --> 01:11:00,320
This goes into the other corner,
obviously McCoy from Tennessee. 

1414
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:01,960
They have he's got him going 
there. 

1415
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,520
And then Miami, this gets 
interesting at #30 he's got the 

1416
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,640
Miami Dolphins and the Cardinals
make it a trade and the 

1417
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,040
Cardinals swap in. 
They take Ty Simpson at 30 and 

1418
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,520
he would wind up in Arizona. 
So I wanted to give you a little

1419
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,400
sense of what Mr. Kuiper is 
thinking now 8 days before the 

1420
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,800
NFL draft. 
Hey, BT, would you take Omar 

1421
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,600
Cooper at 16 for The Jets or 
would you move up and get 

1422
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,240
Carnell Tate? 
I like either. 

1423
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,920
I really do. 
You know, I, I am still, I guess

1424
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,040
I'm going to have to do a final 
mock, right? 

1425
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,680
Don't you think I'm going to 
have to do that at some point 

1426
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,680
here, Jay? 
Yeah, big time. 

1427
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,160
I'm going to have to do one do a
little bit. 

1428
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,800
Yeah, I'm going to have to do 
that, man. 

1429
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,280
Build out a nice graphic, make 
it look all, you know, splashy. 

1430
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,520
Yeah, I mean Cooper, I like 
Cooper a lot. 

1431
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,520
Really competitive, really good.
I like Tate. 

1432
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,880
I like The Jets thinking 
receiver at 16. 

1433
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,840
But I also think that Sadiq is 
is so different. 

1434
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,840
Like Sadiq is so much better 
than any other tight end by a 

1435
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,280
mile. 
When you talk about the wide 

1436
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,280
receiver market, you know, is it
Tate? 

1437
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,240
Is it it depends. 
It's personal preference and 

1438
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,480
there's really five guys and 
three or four are thought to be 

1439
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,240
in the same vicinity, so 
obviously very subjective. 

1440
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,400
I would rather if you're going 
to go vertical threat, take the 

1441
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,720
take the tight end disguised as 
a receiver who ran A448 and 

1442
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,560
A63245 and just destroyed the 
combine. 

1443
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,680
Like Sonny Styles. 
I'd rather take him at 16, who I

1444
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,800
love then a receiver, one of the
receivers who I like, but but I 

1445
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,080
don't, I don't know what they're
thinking. 

1446
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,800
So that's that's part of the 
equation as well. 

1447
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,760
I can't wait for the draft. 
Yeah, it's going to be so much. 

1448
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:44,320
Pump bro, I'm absolutely pumped.
He's got one more if you can. 

1449
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,640
Any thoughts on taking a flyer 
on Drew Allar for? 

1450
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,280
This time, yeah, we've talked 
about this. 

1451
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,960
I was doing an interview with 
the station in PA. 

1452
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,840
My buddy Tom was doing a mock 
draft and he actually asked me 

1453
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,160
about Allar. 
You know, I think the easy 

1454
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,760
thing. 
Now I'd like to know what, what 

1455
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,080
round do you talk in? 
You if if, if you know what 

1456
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,960
you're talking about, you'd have
to say from fifth round on, I'm 

1457
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,320
not taking them in the fourth 
round. 

1458
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,520
The fifth round is where I'd be 
like, OK, interesting. 

1459
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,440
Let me see what they did in the 
previous X amount of picks there

1460
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,800
barring trades, whatever, you 
know, two in the first round. 

1461
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,320
So it's not just 4 picks as we 
know. 

1462
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,960
Yeah, I'd be open to that. 
I would be, you know, 

1463
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,760
developmental quarterbacks. 
See the thing about that, like 

1464
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,840
they sound so appealing and 
there is something to be said 

1465
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,480
for it. 
But, and, and this would kind of

1466
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:35,520
be the year to do it because 
you've got Gino and he's not 

1467
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,440
going to play. 
I don't think they're taking Ty 

1468
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:40,880
Simpson. 
I've said that for a while. 

1469
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,440
Yeah. 
And he's got a big arm man. 

1470
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,000
You know, the problem with him 
is that they didn't really, it 

1471
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,120
was more of a Franklin thing, 
the way he was coached. 

1472
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,360
They didn't really let him, you 
know, I'm not improvised. 

1473
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,880
But really, you know, they they 
just kind of limited what he did

1474
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,560
for the Nittany Lions there. 
So is there a next level? 

1475
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,880
I'm not sure. 
You know, I know he looked like 

1476
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,040
an animal that is pro day. 
But then again, so did Zach 

1477
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Wilson and said so many other 
bust here. 

1478
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,400
But it's also dependent upon who
drafts you. 

1479
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,760
How will they do you play? 
What's the online look like? 

1480
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,480
What's the scheme? 
I mean, just as a concept, 

1481
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,160
ignoring all the other stuff 
that really matters in terms of 

1482
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,400
player development, Yeah, I'd be
somewhat intrigued by by Alor, 

1483
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,920
but it, you know, and and it 
would have to be like if they 

1484
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,840
trade back and it's like more 
I'm I'm getting a little weak. 

1485
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,080
Does it really matter? 
Early, fifth round late? 

1486
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,560
I guess it doesn't, but I think 
I'd feel really good if it's 

1487
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,960
like back end there. 
I back end to round 5. 

1488
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,280
I feel good. 
I bet OK, I like it because I 

1489
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,040
know by then they'll they will 
have at least addressed either a

1490
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,840
tight end with Sadiq, one of the
receivers, absolutely 2 

1491
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,400
frontline defenders so and their
own lines already. 

1492
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,520
Awesome. 
So I know that and they brought 

1493
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,200
the run stuffers in from a free 
agency point of view in the 

1494
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,560
trade with the Titans for sweat 
Jermaine Johnson. 

1495
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,240
So they've done enough and 
they've got enough running back.

1496
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,080
So Jeremiah Love's not on the 
table. 

1497
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,080
Yeah, I feel really good about 
that. 

1498
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,480
If it's like early 6th round, I 
feel phenomenal. 

1499
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:01,400
Like, to me, that's a perfect 
place for him. 

1500
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,720
But I'm sure other teams are 
looking at his size. 

1501
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,360
He's a big boy and he's got a 
rocket and he can throw it a 

1502
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,960
country mile. 
And those guys kind of like, you

1503
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,280
know, back in the day now, 
everybody throws gas. 

1504
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,440
But back in the day, it would be
akin to some high school pitcher

1505
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,960
who throws absolute cheese. 
And you know what? 

1506
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,160
I'm talking back in the day like
cheese 95, you know, now 

1507
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,200
everybody throws 95 if not more,
but like 95. 

1508
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,760
But he couldn't throw it 
straight. 

1509
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,840
You know, big like Todd Van 
Poppel, like one of those dudes 

1510
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,720
from back, if you remember that 
name. 

1511
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,560
Even Brian Taylor was a lefty, 
but he got her so a little bit 

1512
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,920
different when he messed up his 
shoulder in the fight defending 

1513
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,040
his cousin. 
Yeah. 

1514
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:42,120
You know, it's a profile. 
It's it's a skill set. 

1515
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,160
It's a profile. 
It's a it's a want list. 

1516
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,800
It's a wish list. 
That and when you get to the 

1517
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:52,200
stage of the draft, even if it's
an unrefined receiver who played

1518
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,960
at a smaller school who just has
a ridiculous 40 time but doesn't

1519
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,360
really have a lot of moves, 
can't get inside leverage, 

1520
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,920
doesn't really know how to use 
his hands yet off the line in 

1521
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,640
terms of disengagement or even, 
you know, properly catching with

1522
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,720
his hands and not his body. 
Those are. 

1523
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,640
I'll take Flyers there. 
Sure. 

1524
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,160
You know, we're like a converted
basketball player that you think

1525
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,200
could be an intriguing tight 
end, something like that. 

1526
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:15,800
We've seen that a lot in the NFL
as well. 

1527
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,120
Yeah. 
I mean, throw a dart. 

1528
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,280
At that point, I got no problem 
with it. 

1529
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,800
I think Bailey's a smokescreen 
and The Jets will draft Reese 

1530
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,080
Marciano 1320. 
All right, let me ask you a 

1531
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,320
question. 
So the smokescreen would would 

1532
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,400
evidently just be to entice 
somebody to move up and trade 

1533
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,280
with you because they want 
Bailey. 

1534
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,800
Here's the thing, though. 
Like if The Jets were at 3:00 

1535
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,640
and all this stuff around 
Bailey, the sudden shift in in 

1536
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,920
the odds and the energy and the 
belief that Bailey might be a 

1537
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,240
little bit more in favor than 
than Orville Reed's from Ohio 

1538
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,840
State. 
Who the hell are you fooling? 

1539
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,360
You got the second pick. 
You know that The Raiders are 

1540
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,120
pick of Mendoza. 
Why are we playing this game? 

1541
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:58,000
Pick who you won. 
Now, what would make sense, and 

1542
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,480
I don't know how they have these
players graded out. 

1543
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,920
Like are they on the same line? 
I I doubt it because Bailey's 

1544
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,640
thought to be, you know, a 
little bit more polished and 

1545
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,000
certainly more plug and play 
Reese higher upside, blah, blah,

1546
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,560
blah, more explosive. 
But if they are, let's say that,

1547
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,280
let's say the grade, let's just 
use a scale of 1 to 100. 

1548
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,840
Let's say collectively The Jets 
have Bailey at a 97. 

1549
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,520
I, I, I this could be the exact 
opposite. 

1550
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,040
I'm just throwing numbers out to
prove a point. 

1551
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:32,320
Bailey at 97 and Reese at 96 or 
even 98 or even 95. 

1552
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,240
Like 2-2 degrees lower than 
Bailey. 

1553
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,960
It's fairly negligible but if 
you so This is why it would make

1554
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,280
sense in terms of the smoke 
screen. 

1555
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:41,680
Hey, we love Bailey, we love 
Bailey, we love oh we're going 

1556
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,320
to take Bailey's demand. 
We love Bailey. 

1557
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,760
And then other teams have more 
separation between Bailey and 

1558
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,840
Reese, meaning they don't like 
Reese as much as Bailey. 

1559
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,480
It takes one team to love one 
guy Bang trade, and we know that

1560
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,200
Muji is really, really good with
that. 

1561
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,800
So I mean, I'm not going to say 
that it's not a smokescreen. 

1562
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,840
I'm also going to tell you and 
be very honest, candidly, I'm 

1563
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,560
I'm not really sure what they're
thinking. 

1564
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,680
You know, I've talked to Rich 
the media about about this a lot

1565
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,080
on on the show Jets Collective 
tonight, 7:00 episode 4. 

1566
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,960
He's got inside and tell what 
are the things he said on last 

1567
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,720
week's show is he doesn't think 
Sadiq is going to be around by 

1568
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,680
the time Jets go to 16 or go 
with 16. 

1569
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,400
He thinks that the neighborhood 
for Sadiq, based on what he's 

1570
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,600
heard is more like 12-13, maybe 
14. 

1571
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,280
That the belief within the NFL 
circle is that it not getting 

1572
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,000
past that point. 
So if The Jets love him, they're

1573
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,720
gonna have to move up. 
And if they don't love him and 

1574
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,800
there's a couple of receivers 
that they like, but there's no 

1575
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,200
real differentiation, well, now 
there's the window to move from 

1576
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,080
16 backwards and still get a 
receiver that is equally graded.

1577
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,760
This applies to every team. 
And now the stuff last night 

1578
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,320
with Cornell Tate. 
I mean, imagine if The Jets walk

1579
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,360
with The Jets swing a trade and 
they take whether it's Bailey or

1580
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,000
Risa 2 and they take Tate at 
9:00. 

1581
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,400
If they make that trade there or
seven with the Commanders and 

1582
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,880
and they both hit. 
I mean, that's how you build the

1583
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,040
team. 
That eventually is going to be 

1584
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,880
really, really good for a really
long time, provided you 

1585
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,760
eventually get the quarterback, 
which until they get, I'm 

1586
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,200
convinced they never will get. 
But that's still fun to think 

1587
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,640
about it. 
Bailey feels like Hugh Douglas. 

1588
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,000
No, that's interesting. 
It's interesting. 

1589
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,920
And the one thing about Bailey, 
I mean, Hugh Douglas came from, 

1590
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,600
I'm standing at Texas Tech is a 
little bit off the radar as 

1591
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,960
well. 
Even even though Mahomes played 

1592
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,880
there. 
It's not like Ohio State or some

1593
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:32,120
of these Oregon, Michigan. 
Yeah, I mean, Hugh Douglas was 

1594
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,760
so long ago, Parcells said. 
That's just not for me. 

1595
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,560
And he played very well early. 
I liked Hugh. 

1596
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:38,960
Actually. 
I liked Hugh Douglas a lot. 

1597
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,360
My buddy who I used to go to the
games with had a Hugh Douglas 

1598
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:42,400
jersey. 
I remember that. 

1599
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,400
He was good. 
You know, I don't know. 

1600
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,360
That's such a long time ago. 
And you know, I didn't see Hugh 

1601
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,800
Douglas play a lot before The 
Jets drafted him. 

1602
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,160
And I haven't seen Bailey play a
ton outside of footage. 

1603
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,280
Like, I mean, I'm barely staying
in on a Saturday to watch the 

1604
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,600
Buckeyes play in September. 
I'm sure shit not sticking 

1605
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,360
around to watch Texas Tech play 
on a Saturday. 

1606
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,000
Not when there's games to coach 
or golf to play or something 

1607
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,800
else to do. 
I'm just not doing it anymore. 

1608
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,280
You know? 
I'm going to watch what I have 

1609
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,120
to watch, and I'm going to be as
prepared as anybody. 

1610
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,120
But the days of chaining myself 
to a couch, it's over. 

1611
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,440
I'm going to live my life here, 
and I will be ready to talk 

1612
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:22,080
about what I need to talk about.
And I like Bailey, but I don't 

1613
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,480
love him. 
And I like and I like Reese, but

1614
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:25,880
I don't love him. 
I don't. 

1615
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,560
I love Sadiq like I want him. 
You know, I love Styles and I've

1616
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:35,320
loved Kate like I was Caleb 
Downs with somebody and I was 

1617
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:41,160
talking about for a long time. 
All right, now the Sonny Styles 

1618
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,880
momentum, obviously, you know, 
you see him play teammates, you 

1619
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,000
see him play a lot. 
You can't not notice him cuz he 

1620
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,880
jumping off the TV all the time.
That's that's a team. 

1621
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,640
I'm going to stick around and 
watch a little bit more on the 

1622
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,840
Buckeyes, right, cuz he got 5 
pros there. 

1623
01:20:54,840 --> 01:21:01,040
But the Sonny styles hype really
just went through the roof after

1624
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,320
the combine. 
That's where it hit a new level.

1625
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,520
And I and I'm intrigued by that,
but I'm also very intrigued by 

1626
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,520
his play. 
It's not just through this 

1627
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,960
worked out. 
He was thought to be a second 

1628
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,680
round pick. 
He's a workout freak like 

1629
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,960
Mamulu. 
This is way before your time for

1630
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,360
Boston College. 
The Eagles drafted him. 

1631
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,040
Can you check out? 
It's got to button this up. 

1632
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,080
I'm going to be, I'm going to be
so off on the year. 

1633
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,400
Jeez, I'm, I don't even know if 
I'm saying his name right, 

1634
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,840
Mamola. 
I'm saying I'm saying it wrong. 

1635
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,440
Mamola played at Boston College.
You know, linebacker, little 

1636
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,320
edge, jump around him, maybe 98,
Mike. 

1637
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:35,880
Mamula. 
What year was it though? 

1638
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,040
Yeah. 
From the year 1995 was when he 

1639
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,360
got drafted. 
He's even before I was thinking 

1640
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:42,160
they might. 
OK, yeah. 

1641
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,120
And he was a guy. 
And if you look at it, no 

1642
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,520
disrespect, but he just, he just
wasn't, wasn't it? 

1643
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,600
And he was a guy who just banged
it at the combine. 

1644
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,000
So I'm less about combine height
these days and I'm much more 

1645
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,520
about what the film tells me. 
You know, even though I'm not a 

1646
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,720
Kuiper, I don't pretend to be, 
you know, one of these guys who 

1647
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,400
just scours film day and night. 
But at this point, I'd like to 

1648
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,240
think I could differentiate 
between somebody who could 

1649
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,760
really play and who can't. 
You know, I mean, the offensive 

1650
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,880
lineman that that's tough for 
me, I admit. 

1651
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,120
But this other stuff like I, I 
put money on it. 

1652
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,680
Caleb Downs going to be a star. 
Caleb Downs if he stays healthy.

1653
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,280
I'm not going to say the same 
about styles, although I'm more 

1654
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,160
yes than no. 
But I will say with no 

1655
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,640
uncertainty, if he's healthy, 
that that dude's going to be in 

1656
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,560
seven or eight Pro Bowls and a 
three or four time All Pro Caleb

1657
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,960
Downs. 
I believe that. 

1658
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,560
I think Jeremiah Love is going 
to be an out of this world 

1659
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,640
superstar. 
I think Sadiq, like Bowers now. 

1660
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,040
Bowers came out, had more 
receptions in college. 

1661
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,440
But Bowers coming out, you just 
knew he was going to be 

1662
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,760
phenomenal. 
You knew it, you know, and he 

1663
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,800
is. 
It's just certain guys that feel

1664
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,600
feel right and few of those guys
feel right to me. 

1665
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,000
What else did I want to get to 
today? 

1666
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,640
What time we got 1125. 
Let me get this pop this guy up 

1667
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:56,720
here, see what he's all about 
here. 

1668
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,440
Joe somebody at four O 7 BT Do 
you think that the baseball G 

1669
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:04,640
Ms. needs to take a step back 
from analytics and sign players 

1670
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,840
based on knowledge of the game 
and feel too much focus on the 

1671
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,280
data doesn't seem to do much AKA
Mets. 

1672
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:18,360
Well, listen, I think you've got
you've got to have the right 

1673
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,040
mixture. 
There's just certain things like

1674
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,240
if you can't do, you've got to 
be able to do certain things at 

1675
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,880
a certain threshold, right? 
Like if you're a pitcher and you

1676
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,800
know, you throw 89 miles an 
hour, you just got no chance, 

1677
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,960
especially now with ABS, at 
least, you know, Maddox could 

1678
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,360
really manipulate that outer 
half. 

1679
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,360
He was throwing more 92 and it 
was also a very different ERA. 

1680
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,000
But you just certain benchmarks 
you have to be there. 

1681
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,880
Like if you are, that's one of 
the things that worries me about

1682
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,400
Ruben. 
Ruben Bay, not that he can't 

1683
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,320
defy this, but the last time a 
defensive end was picked that 

1684
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,520
like high and, you know, had a 
really good career was 2000. 

1685
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,520
Like you're talking about 25 
draft years of evidence where 

1686
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,800
you know how long arms. 
What's it mean? 

1687
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,680
He's not reaching into his 
pocket to get the check. 

1688
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,840
I understand that. 
But what he is doing is trying 

1689
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,240
to get away from some beast of a
left tackle who is probably 6 

1690
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,520
foot 5320 and could run like a 
heavy tight end. 

1691
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,800
I mean, so you got to have those
longer arms and you got to have 

1692
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,360
that secondary move. 
You just have to. 

1693
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,920
And it seems like Bailey Bane in
the playoffs, you know, and 

1694
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,880
during the regular season as 
well, like just soared like to 

1695
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,720
the top three or four spots, 
right? 

1696
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:34,120
And then he dropped a little bit
with the arm stuff and it seems 

1697
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,280
like he's ascending again. 
So he's going to go top ten, I 

1698
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,720
think. 
I think he might go top eight. 

1699
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:40,760
I think the Saints could take 
him at eight behind the 

1700
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,560
commanders. 
But yeah, I mean, if you're if 

1701
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,600
you're if you're a catcher and 
your pop time simply is not. 

1702
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,160
It's a mathematical see a lot of
this. 

1703
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,840
We might not like the math, but 
it is a mathematical equation. 

1704
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,160
When you I'll give you an 
example, Jay, when you see a 

1705
01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:00,560
first base coach, right, looking
at a stopwatch, did you ever see

1706
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:01,720
that guy? 
He's got the little spring 

1707
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,200
hanging out of his back pocket 
and he's got a stopwatch. 

1708
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:05,960
He's got a stopwatch for a 
reason. 

1709
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,360
It is literally a mathematical 
equation. 

1710
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,800
How long does it? 
And this is all pre scattered 

1711
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,400
out and he's got this in his 
notes, right? 

1712
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,320
How long when the pitcher with a
man on base from his set 

1713
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,640
position does it take? 
Does he sidestep? 

1714
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,520
Does he go full? 
You know, how long does it take 

1715
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,800
for him to actually deliver the 
ball? 

1716
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,840
And then you have that 
mathematical aspect, which is a 

1717
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,800
real tangible number. 
And now you incorporate that 

1718
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,280
with the pop time to catch, 
receiving the ball, releasing 

1719
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,720
the ball, how quickly it gets 
down to second base. 

1720
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,560
And then the last aspect of it, 
which is as important as the 

1721
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,920
other two ingredients, how fast 
is the runner. 

1722
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,120
And this is all timed out during
spring training, going from 

1723
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,880
first to second with a 7 foot 
lead and 8 foot lead, whatever 

1724
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,760
it might be. 
And you just, you do the math, 

1725
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:55,480
you know, So to me, we might not
like the numbers, but you, you 

1726
01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:58,800
have to incorporate them. 
I think the problem with numbers

1727
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:03,320
is when you are oblivious to 
some other stuff that is not 

1728
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,640
quantifiable, whether it's 
energy or grit or just something

1729
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:11,160
else that he might admit where 
maybe he's a 10th or, or or 2/10

1730
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:15,200
of a second behind the stopwatch
or, you know, 2 mph less on, on 

1731
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,040
the gun or exit below like a 
little tick down. 

1732
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,120
I'll give you a good example. 
So I remember when, when we were

1733
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,560
talking about Bellinger, I 
actually remember saying I 

1734
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,360
thought Bellinger would be good 
for the Mets before he went to 

1735
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,560
the Cubs, right? 
And I remember a lot of minutes 

1736
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,120
on the fan. 
I remember a lot of Mets fans 

1737
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,880
saying he's got an average exit 
V low is weak. 

1738
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,080
And it was, it was. 
It was in the lower, not lower, 

1739
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,680
but it was not red on baseball. 
Saffon. 

1740
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,600
It wasn't like 80 or 90 
percentile. 

1741
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,320
I forget the exact number, but 
maybe it was like in the 60s. 

1742
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,920
It was kind of on the lower side
for a guy who was looking for 

1743
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,680
big money, put it that way. 
And, and everyone's like, yeah, 

1744
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:53,880
he doesn't hit the ball that 
hard. 

1745
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,000
Yeah, but do you understand why 
he doesn't hit the ball that 

1746
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,320
hard? 
I'm going to explain it to you 

1747
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,800
because when you have two 
strikes, all right, And he just 

1748
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,640
kind of looked to flick the ball
just to keep it at bat going, 

1749
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,440
whether it's found the ball off 
or just kind of for a lefty 

1750
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,880
bloop of the ball left field or 
hitting it where it's pitched 

1751
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,800
and you're not swinging from the
heels every single time And 

1752
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,160
you're not going to get those 
115 lasers off the bat with with

1753
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,760
frequency. 
I mean, a lot of guys don't get 

1754
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,600
that frequently. 
That's more like Stanton and Ben

1755
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,440
Rice and Judge territory and a 
few others that consistently hit

1756
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:29,520
the ball hard impacted. 
But I actually thought that that

1757
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:35,600
the context there was to me a 
further illumination why I 

1758
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,040
thought he would be perfect for 
the Mets and then why I'm happy 

1759
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,600
that he's on the Yankees because
if you look deeper, not just 

1760
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,440
exit Vilo a week, I don't want 
them. 

1761
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,240
If you go a layer below it and 
it's easy to do. 

1762
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,000
Guess who had the highest two 
strike batting average in 

1763
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,440
baseball that year that people 
were criticizing the exit Vilo, 

1764
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,520
the aforementioned Bellinger. 
So when you're not striking out 

1765
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,800
that much and you're putting 
balls in play and you're putting

1766
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,720
stress on the defense and Oh 
yeah, by the way, you you're a 

1767
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,000
plus one are not that he's 
Ricky, but he's scoring from 

1768
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,400
first on a double. 
You know what if there's a soft 

1769
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,400
ground ball up the middle, he's 
beating it out. 

1770
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,680
You know, if they're if the 
second baseman has to dive and 

1771
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,880
get up to his feet, what's a 
good chance to get a beat that 

1772
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,560
out because he could run. 
So he's making contact. 

1773
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,480
But yes, by making contact, he's
making softer contact, which 

1774
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,480
lowers the number that everybody
looks at. 

1775
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,080
But below that, what I see is a 
baseball player, a guy that I 

1776
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:30,280
want up there against some dude 
in the 9th inning or the 8th 

1777
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,960
inning in the American League 
Championship Series or in 

1778
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,200
Toronto or Boston in September, 
late September for division or 

1779
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,880
the World Series. 
And you're facing Diaz and 

1780
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,680
you're or you're facing Miller. 
Some dudes throwing, you know, 

1781
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,240
one O 2, one O 3. 
Chapman back in the day when he 

1782
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,040
hit one O 5, hey, he might not 
hit one in the seats. 

1783
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,560
He might not hit one 130 miles 
an hour, but he might bloop one,

1784
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,800
keep the inning going or work 
out a walk because he fouled 3 

1785
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,920
or 4 pitches off. 
And now guess what? 

1786
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:02,120
Residually that pitcher gets 
further taxed and that one extra

1787
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,600
inch bite that like doesn't move
away from Aaron Judge that that 

1788
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,440
ball might be in the seats 
because Bellinger did something 

1789
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:12,480
that nobody really appreciated. 
So the numbers are what they 

1790
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:13,960
are. 
That's just a little context how

1791
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,000
I view it. 
But yeah, I mean, you've got to 

1792
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,400
incorporate them. 
But if you're a slave to the 

1793
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,600
numbers, you just a geek. 
And I got I got no time for 

1794
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,960
geek. 
Yeah. 

1795
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,880
I mean, you don't know it on the
level that I want you to know 

1796
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,200
it, That's for damn sure. 
How many of these? 

1797
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,000
Yeah. 
God, what do you? 

1798
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,880
Got Oh, no, no, I was going to 
say, I don't know if this is 

1799
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,560
breaking. 
Like, I don't know if this is 

1800
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,760
necessarily breaking news. 
You want to hit the How about 

1801
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,680
this? 
Oh hold on, hit the siren all. 

1802
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,120
Right, let me make sure I hit 
the right sound. 

1803
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:46,240
Oh, oh, what's going? 
On Buddy. 

1804
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,760
We're breaking news, Breaking 
news. 

1805
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:53,120
Kevin Mcgonigal from the Tigers 
signed an 8 year, one $50 

1806
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:57,440
million contract extension stud 
through 2034. 

1807
01:29:57,480 --> 01:30:02,360
Stud, stud, you know, we can 
only be so lucky to see like 

1808
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,320
that happened with Lombard, you 
know what I mean? 

1809
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,120
Yeah, yeah, you'd love to see 
that because you're you're 

1810
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:09,680
buying. 
I mean, that's happened more and

1811
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,560
more. 
It really the then Indians were 

1812
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,880
the first team to really do it, 
buying out three or four years 

1813
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,000
of arbitrary going back to the 
90s Indians with like by Erica 

1814
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,760
and like Sandy Albemar and like 
those cats, right? 

1815
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,120
And it's a very wise financial 
move for both teams. 

1816
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,320
What would you say, 180? 
150. 

1817
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:29,600
For how many? 
Eight years 8. 

1818
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,280
Years. 
OK, so now I don't know his 

1819
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,960
family's financial background, 
but let's just say it's average.

1820
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,880
He's not destitute, and they're 
not incredibly affluent. 

1821
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,320
You get $150 million. 
Even if you invest it like a 

1822
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,400
schmuck, you're golden. 
I mean. 

1823
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,040
Your bloodline's pretty 
straight. 

1824
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,880
I mean, if you can't get 7 or 8%
on that, you're a complete 

1825
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,160
though. 
But even if you messed up and he

1826
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:57,080
got like 2%, multiple 
generations are set because he's

1827
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,000
so young. 
All right, so he's set. 

1828
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,640
It's smart on the part of the 
Tigers because is he 19? 

1829
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,320
How old is he again? 
Let's see 19 or I think he's 19.

1830
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,680
He is. 
Could be wrong on that. 

1831
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,120
No dude 21. 
Oh he is 21. 

1832
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,320
OK, my bad. 
Pretty young dude. 

1833
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:16,200
You know, he's got 30, may have 
been a little bit younger. 

1834
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,040
All right, so he's 21. 
He has secured his future. 

1835
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,880
And the Tigers, who, you know, 
let's face it, schoolboat is 

1836
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,120
going to be gone. 
They don't really have the 

1837
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,720
appetite nor do they necessarily
have the resources like the 

1838
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,000
Dodgers and the Mets and you 
know, the Yankees, if they want 

1839
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,160
to lesser extent because Hal 
doesn't have that kind of money 

1840
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,320
or the Phillies. 
You are. 

1841
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:38,200
It's a very shrewd move because 
you are fortifying your future 

1842
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,320
financial solvency. 
And if he it now, it's a bet. 

1843
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,840
God forbid if he got hurt, 
that's a problem. 

1844
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,920
But then there, who the hell is 
texting me here? 

1845
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,480
But there's insurance for that, 
right? 

1846
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,640
Like David Wright got insurance 
with his back for the Mets. 

1847
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,840
So all that stuff works itself 
out. 

1848
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,520
I don't know to what extent. 
I don't know if it's penny for 

1849
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,080
penny, but it's a percentage. 
So you don't get bent over the 

1850
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,760
way you think you might 
financially. 

1851
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:06,520
So you fortify that if he is 
what I believe everybody thinks 

1852
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,960
that this young man's going to 
be, I mean, jeez, by the time 

1853
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,600
he's arbitration eligible and, 
you know, or born or two and 

1854
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,480
then eventually a free agent if 
he ever got to that point, well,

1855
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,560
jeez, now, I mean, at who knows 
where the game is now, there 

1856
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,680
might be a complete 
recalibration with this work 

1857
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,720
stoppage. 
But if there's not, I mean, if 

1858
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,960
Soto got $800 million, I mean, 
what, what is he going to get? 

1859
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,520
Is he going to get, you know, 
1.3 billion? 

1860
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,000
Who the hell knows? 
I don't know. 

1861
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:35,800
So I get it. 
I like it. 

1862
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,240
It's proactive. 
Good for him good for the Tigers

1863
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:40,160
should have done that with 
schoolble. 

1864
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,360
Although Boris would not I don't
think this can't be a Boris 

1865
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,160
client. 
No way Acuna did it. 

1866
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,560
Jay Acuna did it years ago when 
he got $100 million contract. 

1867
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,960
Remember then he ripped up his 
knee so but he also won an MVP 

1868
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:58,000
with 70 something steals and the
and the 40 bombs whatever I I 

1869
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:03,560
like it a lot more than not and 
I really like it for mid major 

1870
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,400
teams mid market team the Asia's
did it as well. 

1871
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,600
I don't think it was quite that 
amount of money, but they did 

1872
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:11,840
something very similar. 
It's smart. 

1873
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,200
It's being proactive. 
All right now. 

1874
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,440
So you know, Jay, how how much 
fun I had following the Johnnies

1875
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:20,480
this year, right. 
Oh. 

1876
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,320
Of course. 
Oh no, I know what you're about 

1877
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,040
to get too. 
Well, what am I going? 

1878
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,160
To get through. 
It's painful, darling. 

1879
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:28,640
Yeah. 
Oh, it's pain. 

1880
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,520
My mom literally sent me like an
Instagram post of it. 

1881
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,400
She did. 
Oh yeah, of course. 

1882
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,920
And I was like. 
Yeah, I I get it. 

1883
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,720
I get it. 
Listen, you know, Rick's got to 

1884
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,000
do what Rick's got to do, and 
St. 

1885
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,520
John's is going to do what they 
got to do. 

1886
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,040
That's business. 
And, and I applaud them for 

1887
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:45,040
that. 
St. 

1888
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,040
John's got a player yesterday by
the name of Quinn Elvis. 

1889
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,000
He's 23 now. 
Hey, if this is the rule, then 

1890
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:53,960
you got to do what you got to 
do. 

1891
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,440
I hate that this is the rule. 
He's 23. 

1892
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:59,000
He's my I'm being. 
That's crazy. 

1893
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,480
I hate that this is the rule, 
but until it's no longer the 

1894
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:05,400
rule, these are the rules. 
You may as well play with them, 

1895
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,040
you know what I mean? 
Yeah, The the Johnnies have the 

1896
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,080
bank in Mike Ripoli. 
They got the appetite with their

1897
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,440
president, Father Shanley, and 
their AD, my buddy Eddie Cole. 

1898
01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:17,160
And of course, Rick, who's not 
going to be coaching for 10 more

1899
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,280
years, like he wants to win. 
So from a Saint John's point of 

1900
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:23,320
view, awesome. 
They get this kid, Quinn Ellis, 

1901
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,200
who is Jay Roth, is 23. 
But not only is he 23, he was 

1902
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:28,760
playing in one of the Euro 
leagues. 

1903
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:33,120
So he's played professionally 
for seven years. 

1904
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:34,840
So he's six. 
Yeah. 

1905
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,160
He's 6 foot five. 
I never heard of the kid until 

1906
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:38,760
yesterday. 
Quite. 

1907
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,720
I'm not going to lie to you. 
And then I'm looking at this 

1908
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,120
film. 
I'm like, oh, my God. 

1909
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:44,920
And it is. 
It is impressive. 

1910
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,120
All highlights look good because
I remember this point last year,

1911
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,840
whether it was Sannon or even 
Ian Jackson, I'm like, oh, you 

1912
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,480
know, and then you know, Sannon 
didn't have a really good year 

1913
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:57,520
at all. 
And Ian Jackson, who I'm 

1914
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,440
happiest thing, he had some 
confounding moments as well 

1915
01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:01,560
trying to learn how to play 
point guard. 

1916
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,320
But my point is you can slap 
together a highlight video of me

1917
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,200
in college, like got to draft 
this guy. 

1918
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,320
Meanwhile, like this, no, I'm 
not interested in this loser. 

1919
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,920
We're good, we're good. 
So I don't want to overreact to 

1920
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,760
that. 
But when you play against grown 

1921
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,720
men as he has, I mean, you think
an opposing point guard for 

1922
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,640
Butler or Seton Hall or Xavier 
is going to stop you? 

1923
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,840
He's going to destroy the Big 
East. 

1924
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,120
Not to mention all the other 
players St. 

1925
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,960
John's is involved in. 
So they beat out Duke, they beat

1926
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,280
out Kentucky, they beat out 
Louisville, they beat out BYU. 

1927
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,920
As we know, BYU's NIL fund is 
like $15 million going back to 

1928
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,320
last year, and they're adding to
it. 

1929
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,120
So they had some big boys at the
table. 

1930
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:44,960
I applaud St. 
John's for doing this, no 

1931
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,800
question. 
But this is inherently what I 

1932
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,440
hate about the direction of 
college basketball. 

1933
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:57,680
This is a young man who they 
actually created an award after 

1934
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,600
called the Big Bells Award. 
It was after one of the games. 

1935
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,960
And you got to love Pepito, you 
know, big coach at a Catholic 

1936
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,280
University. 
He's like, yeah, I would call 

1937
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,880
him Big Bells because he's got 
balls as big as church bells. 

1938
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,960
I think it's hysterical. 
It's just so funny that he says 

1939
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,240
it is the head coach at St. 
John's. 

1940
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,880
And then from that comment after
one of the games, it became the 

1941
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,480
Big Bells award, which, and I 
remember Rick actually bringing 

1942
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:24,240
it to the locker room when I 
recorded one of the TV shows 

1943
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:25,720
with him this year, the Red 
Storm Report. 

1944
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:27,080
I got like, I got to see this 
thing. 

1945
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,680
So we had it behind us next to 
the Big East, you know, trophies

1946
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,960
from the previous year, big 
regular season and tournament 

1947
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,040
champ, like the trophy, 
whatever. 

1948
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:35,840
So it was up there like this 
thing's awesome. 

1949
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,400
So and you see like teams do 
this, like the Yankees do a belt

1950
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,160
and the Knicks do like the 
Timberland boots. 

1951
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,080
And I like it. 
It's it's kind of cool. 

1952
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,120
Like the the the Blue Jays have 
the jacket when they had a home.

1953
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,480
It's just it's it's youthful 
exuberance. 

1954
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,760
And even though it's grown men 
and it's big business, I love 

1955
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,880
it. 
And and college, they had the 

1956
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,400
big bells award based on they 
didn't want to caught the big 

1957
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,480
balls. 
They kind of, you know, so the 

1958
01:36:57,480 --> 01:37:00,800
Big Bells award, right? 
So any time somebody, and it 

1959
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,760
wasn't just for the guy who had 
the most points, the guy who 

1960
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,200
exuded toughness and character, 
you come in, I was this guy. 

1961
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:08,840
Oh, and then they, they go nuts.
They pour water on each other. 

1962
01:37:09,480 --> 01:37:14,880
That young man who spawned the 
the birth of the Big Bells award

1963
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:21,680
who hit a shot that in my 
lifetime is the second biggest 

1964
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,920
shot in the history of St. 
John's. 

1965
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,760
And the first one was back in 
1980s. 

1966
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,800
Now I know that they went 
further in in previous years. 

1967
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,560
But in 1986 this guy by the name
of Ron Rowan you you don't know 

1968
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:33,360
who he is. 
Yeah. 

1969
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,200
I loved him. 
I used to pretend I was Ron 

1970
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,880
Rowan white guy shooter. 
You know I just look good. 

1971
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,600
I look I love Ron Rowan is after
Mullen left right and he sticks 

1972
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,880
a jump shot from the baseline 
beat Syracuse is the 86 Big East

1973
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,560
championship game. 
That's the game. 

1974
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,040
If you may have seen this maybe 
not. 

1975
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,280
But some of you have I'm sure 
where Walter Berry, who was the 

1976
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,920
man the truth love. 
Walter never ran back on 

1977
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:56,120
defense. 
He would just want to play 

1978
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:57,760
offense. 
He finally got back on deep 

1979
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,320
because Rowan sticks the 
baseline jumps jumper to take a 

1980
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:01,800
lead. 
I think it was a one point lead 

1981
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,200
at that point. 
Then Pearl Syracuse inbounds and

1982
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,800
quick Barry finally runs back 
and basically like pins and 

1983
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,600
swats Pearl Washington at the 
buzzer, right. 

1984
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:13,040
So the Ron Rowan jump shot was 
the biggest shot, even though 

1985
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,160
they had teams that went 
further. 

1986
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,680
The Dylan Darling shot at the 
buzzer to beat Kansas. 

1987
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,320
It's not. 
It's good that they beat 

1988
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,760
Northern Iowa. 
OK, great. 

1989
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,360
Just like it was good that they 
beat Omaha the year before, 

1990
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,760
before they lost to Calipari's 
Arkansas team to beat A-Team. 

1991
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,760
Like Kansas. 
Kansas, like did the name, you 

1992
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:34,240
know what I'm saying? 
Kansas to go to the Sweet 16 and

1993
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,000
to do it in the manner in which 
he did it. 

1994
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,960
At the horn, a lefty shooter 
finishing with his right hand 

1995
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,680
from the right side under 
duress. 

1996
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,160
The fact that he's not going to 
be here is a crusher. 

1997
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,760
I know St. 
John's fans feel this one 

1998
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,240
because part of the beauty Think
about how much fun it's been 

1999
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,320
watching. 
And St. 

2000
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,360
John's is not unique in this 
regard, although their player 

2001
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,200
development has been outstanding
because that's what Rick does. 

2002
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,040
But Zubi came from Kansas, was a
bit player play 5 minutes a game

2003
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,720
and then you look up, he just 
won the cream out just like a 

2004
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,560
couple days ago, won the cream 
out dual Jabbar award for the 

2005
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,040
nation's greatest, a best 
center. 

2006
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,760
You know, Biggie's player of the
year, Biggie's defensive player 

2007
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:13,760
of the year, scholar, athlete of
the year in the conference. 

2008
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,640
Like, all these accolades and to
see that growth from wow, as a 

2009
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,040
sophomore, this dude's bouncy 
and he's got a good motor and 

2010
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:21,480
he's energetic and he could 
rebound. 

2011
01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:24,520
And then all of a sudden to last
year as a junior with RJ Lewis 

2012
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,240
and those guys, Dennis Jenkins, 
like, man, he could shoot a 

2013
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:28,560
little bit. 
Oh, OK. 

2014
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:31,560
Oh, first team all Big E OK. 
So what he became this year, 

2015
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:34,840
that's the ultimate joy. 
I mean, outside of winning, 

2016
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,920
like, that's the real good stuff
of being a college fan. 

2017
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,640
And it's gone, you know, And I 
don't begrudge St. 

2018
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,120
John's for doing it. 
And I don't begrudge Dylan 

2019
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,960
Darlin for saying I'm out. 
I won't play. 

2020
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:47,480
I got one year left to college. 
I won't go. 

2021
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,600
But man, the imagery and that if
you remember the celebration, 

2022
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:55,720
Mink and I were literally me and
Mink were just 10 feet away, you

2023
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,120
know, from that massive Saint 
John's humanity, like literally 

2024
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,240
going into the tunnel. 
It was. 

2025
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,240
It was why it was. 
It was crazy. 

2026
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,480
And you know, you know, it 
stinks. 

2027
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:07,440
It's I'm happy I had a chance to
say goodbye to him. 

2028
01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:10,680
And I told you I got, you know, 
the when they lost to Duke, 

2029
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,200
they're up by 10:15 minutes ago.
I really thought they were going

2030
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,640
to win. 
And, you know, I had a good 

2031
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,960
connection to Zubi and I, 
they're all good young men. 

2032
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:19,960
And I've gotten to know, you 
know, Zubi's been doing this 

2033
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,160
three years and it's been good 
to my family. 

2034
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,320
Gave my daughter his towel after
a game. 

2035
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,680
Like, I mean, Zubi's just, he's,
he's the essence of what a young

2036
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:31,240
man should be. 
And, and, and Dylan darling, 

2037
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,400
this is my first year with him. 
He was only here one year, but I

2038
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:37,320
interviewed him a bunch and had 
a pretty good rapport with him. 

2039
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,040
And I remember when they lost to
Duke, I think I told you this on

2040
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:44,000
the air where you know, all, all
the like Serbi and you know, 

2041
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:49,200
Vaccaro and, and Nikki from S&Y 
and everybody, basically Bruce 

2042
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,280
Beck was there when everybody 
left, cleared out the locker 

2043
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,000
room. 
I went over to him and he was 

2044
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,440
just in the corner by himself 
and he was he was really upset. 

2045
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,880
And I didn't think that I would 
get upset, but I said man. 

2046
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,680
I said my son loves watching you
play, man. 

2047
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,040
And as I was saying, as the 
words were coming out, I was 

2048
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,800
actually getting choked up to 
the point where I had slightly 

2049
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,320
visible tears in my eyes because
I saw tears in his eyes. 

2050
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,160
And you know, those are the 
things that I will remember. 

2051
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:11,480
Those are the things that I will
take. 

2052
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,800
But you want to see those 
players stick around. 

2053
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,360
And you know, if you can get did
not if you can get 3 four, 

2054
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:22,440
500,000 more, you don't think 
that somebody from another 

2055
01:41:22,440 --> 01:41:24,680
conference is going to probably 
overvalue him. 

2056
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,520
You know, he's not a star. 
You know, he had some bouts 

2057
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,200
where he couldn't shoot at all. 
But like what he meant to the 

2058
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,480
program and what he meant to the
fan base, man. 

2059
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,680
And I know this kids going to be
a beast, Quinn Ellis, but he's 

2060
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:39,040
going to be missed. 
Is he? 

2061
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:42,000
That's the shitty part. 
Quick, quick question, is Quinn 

2062
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,040
Ellis, is he originally a 
European player? 

2063
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:46,800
He is from England, Yeah. 
Oh. 

2064
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,400
OK, OK, so he's been playing 
professional ball forever. 

2065
01:41:51,480 --> 01:41:53,600
He's a grown man, dude. 
Wait, that. 

2066
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:57,360
I mean, listen, obviously it's 
like it's, it's a tough 

2067
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:01,360
situation, but you think 
Johnny's basketball could be 

2068
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,560
could be looking fire. 
Hey, hey, I'm not saying that, 

2069
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,800
you know, when season starts, 
I'm not going to get over Dylan 

2070
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,720
darling. 
I mean, I'm I have to, but you 

2071
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,400
know, the fact that he 
especially that, you know, if 

2072
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,360
you tell me who are The Who are 
the captains? 

2073
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:19,240
Like Zuki, Zuki was the captain,
literally, and their best player

2074
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,720
and Darling was there, you know,
like they're Starks. 

2075
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,680
Like they're, they're that John 
Starks, volatile in a good way, 

2076
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:30,240
energetic, demonstrative leader 
and a pseudo captain. 

2077
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:32,920
And I remember Rick St. after 
one of the games this year was 

2078
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,520
it was after Providence when 
they got into that scrap with 

2079
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,760
Bryce Hopkins, forget which game
it was, but he was saying how it

2080
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,800
wouldn't surprise him if Dylan 
was a captain next year, you 

2081
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,560
know, So it is what it is. 
You know, I can't reinvent the 

2082
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,960
wheel. 
I could just push back on what I

2083
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:47,480
don't like about it. 
But St. 

2084
01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:49,280
John's is doing what St. 
John's has to do. 

2085
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:50,800
For St. 
John's and their fans. 

2086
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,600
It is a business. 
It's never been more apparent. 

2087
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,000
But it is a broken system and we
all know that. 

2088
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,800
And if other teams are doing it 
and you don't, and no 

2089
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,840
disrespect, I've got great 
respect for Shaheen, Holloway 

2090
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,520
and those those dudes at Seton 
Hall always have, right? 

2091
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,000
But if you don't do what St. 
John's is doing and if you don't

2092
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,360
do what UConn does and what all 
these other schools are doing, 

2093
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:18,000
you're going to be Seton Hall 
where be around the 500 team. 

2094
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,720
You know, you're going to play 
scrappy, going to play tough 

2095
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,880
because that's what Shaheen 
demands. 

2096
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:26,160
But how long is it before 
somebody says to Shaheen, yo, 

2097
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,440
come coach us, Here's three 
more, $1,000,000. 

2098
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:31,080
We know that you're getting fed 
up with the lack of NIL money 

2099
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,640
for the Pirates or their 
inability or unwillingness were 

2100
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,000
both to pay you what we believe 
is commensurate with your 

2101
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,480
talents as a coach. 
I think Shaw's a great coach 

2102
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,280
Hollow. 
He's awesome. 

2103
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:42,920
How much longer is he going to 
stay there? 

2104
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,360
I don't have the answer to that.
I can promise you, like if this 

2105
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,520
was the old days and it was just
scholarship and maybe some shit 

2106
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,040
under the table, you know, like,
like the old, the old way he's 

2107
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,960
cheating. 
You know, I would think unless 

2108
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,400
Shaheen Holloway wanted to mess 
around and try the pro game at 

2109
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,160
some point, I would think that 
Holloway would be the head coach

2110
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,920
at Seton Hall for 20 years. 
You know, I mean, you'd have 

2111
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,840
you'd have that kind of life, 
you'd have that kind of profile.

2112
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,440
And I would promise you that he 
would get some of those, you 

2113
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:10,320
know, studs from Saint 
Benedict's and you know, Saint 

2114
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,280
Anthony's is no longer open, but
some of those great New Jersey 

2115
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:18,400
high schools and AAU players and
they'd make a Sweet 16 run and 

2116
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,040
they'd have a year. 
Maybe they mess around get to 

2117
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,600
the Elite 8, but instead they're
just and again, no disrespect, 

2118
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:28,160
they're just a fledgling at this
point off the radar, you know, 

2119
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,480
fairly a non entity in the the 
upper structure of the 

2120
01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:33,680
conference had it say it, but it
is what it is. 

2121
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:35,760
You know, St. 
John's was like that forever. 

2122
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:36,840
So. 
They decided to spend. 

2123
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,280
Some money. 
Find the money, you know, if you

2124
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,200
can. 
What else, Jay? 

2125
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,720
What else we got here? 
Brother, we got What do you 

2126
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,560
think about Mike Malone taking 
the UNC job? 

2127
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,760
Odd hire. 
I said this when it came up. 

2128
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:54,640
Yeah, strikes me as strange now.
You know, Mike Malone very well 

2129
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,960
might be disenchanted with the 
NBA game, You know, maintenance 

2130
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,040
days and everybody making 
basically 50 million bucks at 

2131
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,960
this point and everything's a 
three-point shootout, you know. 

2132
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,080
You know, there's just a lot. 
The regular season is 

2133
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:11,000
insignificant for the most part,
but you tell me he's not going 

2134
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,520
to grow disenchanted with the 
college game. 

2135
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,080
I mean, every year you got to re
recruit a roster. 

2136
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,200
Now UN CS got got the bank, the 
bank to support him. 

2137
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:20,840
Whatever he wants, he's going to
get and there's going to be 

2138
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:22,800
players. 
I mean, this guy's a champion. 

2139
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,400
He he coached Jamal Murray, he 
coached Yokich. 

2140
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,920
This man's an NBA champion. 
I want my son or I want to go 

2141
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:30,720
play for him. 
He's going to help me get to the

2142
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,520
next step, you know, because the
money's going to be equal or 

2143
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:35,680
more and you get a former NBA 
coach. 

2144
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:39,000
I, I just an odd hire. 
And their process was odd. 

2145
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,320
I think even more so. 
It looked like Billy Donovan was

2146
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,560
going to take the job. 
OK, didn't want to wait. 

2147
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,840
I don't know. 
I mean, I guess it'd make a 

2148
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,080
little more sense than Mike 
Malone, Billy Donovan, but. 

2149
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:51,200
Yeah. 
Still, I guess so they were 

2150
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,840
really looking for an A. 
Coach with NBA experience well 

2151
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,160
remember Billy was you know many
years multiple champions yeah 

2152
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:00,720
Florida you know that yeah with.
Horford and joking no and so 

2153
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:02,080
yeah. 
Yeah, I was at, I was at those 

2154
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,480
Final Fours. 
No way. 

2155
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:05,360
Yeah, Yeah. 
Would you consider? 

2156
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,400
I don't know anything about this
era of college basketball. 

2157
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,720
Would you say those rosters were
some of the better college 

2158
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,840
basketball teams of all time? 
Like, look, because I look at 

2159
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,640
that Florida Gators team and I'm
like, this was disgusting. 

2160
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:22,880
Yeah, and and. 
It was because there's a third. 

2161
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,640
It was Corey Brewer Horford and 
Joe Hakeem Noah. 

2162
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:30,000
Yeah, and they had a white 
shooter who didn't make the NBA,

2163
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,640
but a sniper who had some big 
moments in the Final Four. 

2164
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:34,280
I'm forgetting his name. 
It's a long time ago. 

2165
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:36,920
I mean, Noah was a terrific pro 
for the Bulls. 

2166
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:38,640
He was great, great Commons 
player. 

2167
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,280
Billy was awesome. 
Lee Humphrey, there you. 

2168
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,240
Go. 
Good call, Lee Humphrey, Thank 

2169
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:46,920
you very much. 
Shout out to Lee No. 

2170
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:48,760
I I not one of the best? 
OK. 

2171
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:53,280
No, no, no, it's, it's not. 
It's certainly representative of

2172
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,280
your age, which which I get, I 
get. 

2173
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:56,600
I'm not, I'm not clowning you at
all. 

2174
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,040
You know I don't do that, but I 
don't do that with something 

2175
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:00,320
like this. 
I'm going to clown you, but not 

2176
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:04,240
opinion. 
No, no, it's there were just too

2177
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:07,040
many other teams that I like. 
Let me ask you this do you think

2178
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,200
it was really better than 
Villanova's championship team 

2179
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:15,560
Bridges? 
No, no, not really. 

2180
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,000
You know what I'm saying. 
All the players panned out, no? 

2181
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:21,280
That's just one example, and 
it's fairly recent. 

2182
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,360
I mean, jeez, you got to 
remember I also watched Syracuse

2183
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:29,200
with Dwayne Wash, the Pearl, 
Washington and Derek Holman and 

2184
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,880
Ronnie Cycling, who was actually
a really. 

2185
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:33,360
Good NBA too. 
I should know. 

2186
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,160
Like a like a slightly after it,
like a little bit after it. 

2187
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:40,600
I think cycling was more with 
Sherman Douglas, I think, but 

2188
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:43,520
obviously how about Saint John's
with Chris Mullen and Walter 

2189
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:47,040
Berry and Mark Jackson and Bill 
Wennington, all first round 

2190
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:48,840
picks and this is just the Big 
East. 

2191
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,840
How about Carolina with Vince 
Carter and Antoine Jameson? 

2192
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,400
How about Vince Carter with 
Michael Jordan? 

2193
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,400
You know, and and and and and 
and James Worthy. 

2194
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:00,280
Oh my. 
What are the best of all boards 

2195
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:01,120
of all time? 
Oh my gosh. 

2196
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:02,320
Yeah. 
All right. 

2197
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:08,120
I love when you throw stuff. 
The better teams of the best 

2198
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,840
college basketball team of the 
year 2007. 

2199
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:15,560
No, but even more than that. 
Of the 2000s it is one of the 

2200
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,880
better college basketball teams,
but comparatively there are some

2201
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,240
teams with straight up 
star-studded rosters where you 

2202
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,080
got multiple like like and joke,
you know. 

2203
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,000
And Horford are two All Star 
Cal. 

2204
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,360
I mean, they both absolutely All
Star level teams, but it's a 

2205
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:35,480
little different than a Brunson 
kind of player who came out of a

2206
01:48:35,480 --> 01:48:38,640
team along with Bridges and 
Heart and Bridges obviously 

2207
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,800
never an ulcer, but still came 
out with like, you know, 20 

2208
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:43,760
point per game. 
Season, I'm with you, I'm with 

2209
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:46,960
you, but I like that good job. 
Any other any other chat stuff 

2210
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,120
before we bounce? 
Oh my gosh. 

2211
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:50,520
Right. 
This guy, I mean this guy's. 

2212
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:54,120
Giving it all, giving us 
Marciano's giving it giving it 

2213
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:56,720
all to us today. 
But any chance we get Sidney 

2214
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,840
Sweeney on the show as a follow 
up to when she was on BT and 

2215
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:00,840
Sal? 
Let's go. 

2216
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:03,680
We need that. 
And eyes. 

2217
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,560
And that's on my producer. 
Can you do it? 

2218
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,800
Oh man, I'll try I think. 
How we got her on on the fan, I 

2219
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,600
think that was Hoff. 
I've set that up. 

2220
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,560
See what you can do. 
I mean, she's pretty social 

2221
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:16,920
media friendly. 
Definitely. 

2222
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,520
I don't know if she's social 
media friendly to a dude with 

2223
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,280
800 followers on Instagram but. 
She's probably like, who is this

2224
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:24,720
cornball trying to slide in my 
DM? 

2225
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:26,720
Look at this. 
Look at this sleazy dude. 

2226
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:32,360
I'll try to, I'll definitely 
I'll hit her up, but I'm sure 

2227
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:37,280
I'll be 1 of 1,000,000. 
You think you think any any 

2228
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,680
traction with Jake the Snake or 
hacksaw? 

2229
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:44,120
It's it's getting rough trying 
to contact with them because 

2230
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:48,960
both of them have their 
preferences on all their social 

2231
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:53,360
medias set to they have to 
follow you in order to message 

2232
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,200
them. 
So I think I was able to get an 

2233
01:49:56,280 --> 01:50:01,440
Instagram deed PM over but even 
that sends us a message request 

2234
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:05,000
and not in the thing. 
So I'll send a follow up e-mail 

2235
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:08,000
and and keep it going, but. 
Well, I'm going to give you, I 

2236
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,040
appreciate the pivot. 
We may need a pivot. 

2237
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,320
There's not many more guys I 
want to talk to that are still 

2238
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,720
alive and from back in the day. 
Try, you know what here, try 

2239
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:19,240
Hacksaw Jim Duggan on Facebook. 
He just posted something the 

2240
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:20,440
other day all. 
Right, all right. 

2241
01:50:20,440 --> 01:50:22,440
You know, he's posting some 
pretty good stuff, so I don't 

2242
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:25,760
know, maybe he's got to follow 
you to accept the message. 

2243
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:27,000
I'm not sure. 
I think it's a little different 

2244
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,640
on Facebook because I get 
messages from people I don't 

2245
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,640
follow. 
So maybe give it a shot. 

2246
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,840
Thoughts on? 
I didn't see this either. 

2247
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:38,560
I don't know if you did. 
Thoughts on prime? 

2248
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,480
What so? 
Basically in the Hornets game, I

2249
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:45,240
believe last night, the 
broadcast literally just cut 

2250
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:46,840
out. 
I didn't see that a minute or 

2251
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:48,400
two. 
I just saw the the winning 

2252
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,200
bucket and the winning block 
shot on highlights. 

2253
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,400
Are you serious? 
Yeah, no, I mean, which is just 

2254
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,680
unacceptable, you think. 
And it and it also just, I feel 

2255
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:00,640
like plays into man, like they 
just got to stop with these 

2256
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,560
channels, dude. 
They just got to stop with the 

2257
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:06,080
prime Put games on local 
television. 

2258
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,600
Put play up at least one playoff
game on local television. 

2259
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,720
That's a bad look. 
Well, Breen was talking about 

2260
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:13,560
that before he and Clyde signed 
off for the year. 

2261
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,560
He's absolutely right. 
Listen, I get it, man. 

2262
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,720
You get to you get to the 
conference finals all right, but

2263
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,480
somebody and not just because 
Mike Breen is the voice of the 

2264
01:51:21,480 --> 01:51:23,080
Knicks forever and Clyde as 
well. 

2265
01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:25,600
This applies for all the teams, 
right? 

2266
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,040
Like, you know, throw them a 
bone, give them one game, you 

2267
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,160
know, give them like kind of mix
and match a little bit. 

2268
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,200
It just also be so good for the 
channel, like the stations, the 

2269
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:35,000
channels. 
I mean, I get it's greed for 

2270
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,320
like the bigger network 
corporations, but like. 

2271
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:41,320
Dude, think about the not the 
juice but like a bump in numbers

2272
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:45,600
for a small TV network that they
get from a playoff. 

2273
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:47,920
But they don't care about that. 
Like the NBA doesn't care about 

2274
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:49,200
that. 
I don't know that. 

2275
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,160
I don't know if they get any cut
from that, but I know. 

2276
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:54,360
You think about that like I, I 
don't know, I'm going to plead 

2277
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:56,720
ignorance on this I but I can 
promise you even. 

2278
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,240
If they do. 
Which I don't know that they do.

2279
01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:03,880
It is a minuscule fraction of 
what they get from Prime and 

2280
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:07,440
Netflix, Opening Day Yankees. 
It's just it is what it is. 

2281
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:08,760
So I guess you can't fight City 
Hall. 

2282
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:10,320
We can complain about it, but 
it's not going to change. 

2283
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:13,120
But that's embarrassing if you 
get to take over games, playoff 

2284
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,000
games, don't pull the plug on 
the broadcast. 

2285
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:18,080
Try try to actually have the 
game-winning bucket so people 

2286
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,880
who were watching the game could
actually see what transpired. 

2287
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:24,200
That's probably a good thing to 
do if you're gonna be this 

2288
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:25,960
immersed in the, you know, in 
the game. 

2289
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,760
Yeah, it's it's basic stuff. 
All right, man. 

2290
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,280
All right, tonight, Jets 
collective at 7. 

2291
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,160
We've got The Jets collective at
7 episode number 4. 

2292
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:38,880
Can't wait for that all draft 
stuffs if you're a Jets guy. 

2293
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,680
And by the way, not just Jets, 
because other teams are now 

2294
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:43,840
factoring in potential trades 
here, whether it's the 

2295
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,800
commanders, you know, they're, 
they're maybe The Jets found a 

2296
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,400
swap move into the top 10. 
But it is obviously primarily 

2297
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,200
Jet stuff here. 
So myself and Rich and Jake, 

2298
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:57,000
that is week #4 episode number 4
tonight at 7:00. 

2299
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,000
And that is about it. 
Make sure you jump on there. 

2300
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,840
Give it a sub. 
We just, we just launched and we

2301
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,720
just got 3000 Subs. 
I think it was yesterday or two 

2302
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,720
days ago. 
So show the love there. 

2303
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,200
Obviously we think, wait, whoa. 
Why is the banner back on? 

2304
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:10,080
I thought we got rid of what's 
going on. 

2305
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,520
No banner. 
No banner. 

2306
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,680
What happened there, James? 
Creature of habit. 

2307
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,040
Oh my. 
Bad. 

2308
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:17,920
Can't you know? 
Before we go. 

2309
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,000
Just. 
Let me see. 

2310
01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:22,880
Get me up. 
On the full screen, if you can. 

2311
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:25,960
I do want to do one thing I I 
want to I want to get a little. 

2312
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,280
Now, obviously if I mess around 
with this, well then now you 

2313
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:30,080
start getting into now it's 
getting a little bit it's a 

2314
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:33,640
little bit too colors. 
Yeah, we got a little bit of 

2315
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:34,960
everything. 
We got the logo, we got the 

2316
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,440
world map, we got some stuff 
behind. 

2317
01:53:36,440 --> 01:53:39,800
Me, but do you? 
Guys and and I want I want to 

2318
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:42,480
see some chats real quick, just 
say yes or no, whether it's this

2319
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:45,440
or some variation. 
Obviously we took care of the 

2320
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,880
the light that was pulsating off
the unleashed logo. 

2321
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,800
Thank God. 
So we were able to rectify that.

2322
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,360
Feel good about that. 
You guys kind of like this look 

2323
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,760
or just the the plain black 
behind me, which we basically 

2324
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:59,800
done since we since we moved 
from upstairs or removed it 

2325
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:02,280
upstairs from my basement the 
first show. 

2326
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:03,480
Let me know. 
Let let me know about that. 

2327
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:06,520
I just want to get a couple now.
Jay, you said you kind of like 

2328
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:09,600
the way it looked, right? 
Yeah, I mean, I OK, I definitely

2329
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,240
liked how I was looking like 
this. 

2330
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,200
OK, first one says this. 
Look, yeah, I just think it's a 

2331
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:19,480
little more friendly. 
Yeah, this one. 

2332
01:54:19,480 --> 01:54:21,200
Yeah, this look, this look. 
All right. 

2333
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:22,280
Good. 
You guys are digging it. 

2334
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:23,800
I love it. 
Hey, I told you it's going to be

2335
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,560
a work in progress. 
Now, Jay, one more thing before 

2336
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,200
we go. 
Only thing I guess I just kind 

2337
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:32,480
of cut you off on the screen 
when we do the split. 

2338
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,160
So maybe like moving to the 
right. 

2339
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,000
Yeah, I mean, we'll figure that 
part out. 

2340
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:38,560
We're almost built in a day, 
bro. 

2341
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:40,920
One other thing. 
Can you get me on the phone? 

2342
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,080
One other thing here, maybe two 
other things. 

2343
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:47,840
Number one, we have a meeting 
with the with the digital store 

2344
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,280
for merch. 
I thought that would be a little

2345
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,680
bit quicker, but it's it's a 
little more detailed than we 

2346
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,040
thought. 
So BT unleashed merch because we

2347
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:59,200
had one place, but they don't 
make tumblers and excuse me, one

2348
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:00,480
place. 
We didn't like the quality of 

2349
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:02,320
the T-shirts got to be soft and 
pliable. 

2350
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,200
It can't be getting those like 
stiff T-shirts that you get, you

2351
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:08,080
know, for free when they shoot 
them in the in the crowd at A at

2352
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,200
a basketball, you know, the kind
of shirt that shrinks 

2353
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:11,880
immediately that's like stiff as
a board. 

2354
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,280
So we've got to get the right 
material, got to do it right. 

2355
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,440
And hopefully the place that 
we're meeting with today will be

2356
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,920
the right place. 
So once that's the case, we've 

2357
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:23,120
already got the concept, we've 
already got the color scheme, 

2358
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:26,680
and then it's the five or six 
Target items, the beanies, the 

2359
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:31,360
trucker hats, the hoodies, the 
golf shirts, the mugs, the 

2360
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:36,000
coffee mugs, for sure the 
tumblers, what else? 

2361
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:36,960
What? 
And then eventually, if that 

2362
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,480
goes well, we could always maybe
some golf shirts, some shot 

2363
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:40,880
glasses, whatever that's 
downstream. 

2364
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:46,720
But that is a lot closer than it
has been for the last month or 

2365
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:50,120
so. 
That's one update #2 we've said 

2366
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:53,560
it a few times, Jay. 
We, we have got to get, we have 

2367
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:55,200
got to get phone calls on the 
show. 

2368
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:58,520
We have, we, we, we. 
This is something that you and I

2369
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,760
will talk about off air. 
We had a big sales meeting 

2370
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:03,520
yesterday. 
Something else that will, we're 

2371
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:06,000
not going to tell you now, but 
something else that's going to 

2372
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,440
come to fruition next week for 
some draft content that you guys

2373
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,040
will love. 
Obviously, Sullivan Propane was 

2374
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:15,560
the first in tow, Premio the 
second sponsor in tow. 

2375
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:17,560
We've got a third element coming
on Monday. 

2376
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,240
So the business is good. 
The channel is growing. 

2377
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,040
It will grow more with the likes
and the Subs and the shares and 

2378
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,960
the comments and all those 
things that the algorithm picks 

2379
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,320
up and just redistributes 
throughout the world. 

2380
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:33,440
But on a on a very cursory 
level, I want you to talk to the

2381
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,720
audience and give them without 
getting detailed and lifting up 

2382
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:41,240
the hood and confusing 
everybody, what is a timeline 

2383
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:44,600
and what is the viability on a 
call line? 

2384
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,080
Well. 
I mean, I think the viability 

2385
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:50,600
could be immediate. 
Now this is my question to you 

2386
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,840
and this could. 
Be discussed more off the air. 

2387
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:56,320
I'd like, you know, maybe even 
get the fam's input right now. 

2388
01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:00,360
You could do it through a phone 
line or we could do it through 

2389
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:03,120
this. 
You know what I mean? 

2390
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:06,160
Go ahead. 
Like we could do it as to where.

2391
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:11,960
We send out. 2 links where it's 
like you send out a first link. 

2392
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:15,760
I get them in a separate studio,
I talk to them, they send and I 

2393
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,680
go, what's your question? 
I give them the approval. 

2394
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:21,520
I make sure that everything with
the camera, everything on 

2395
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,560
screens, OK. 
And then I send them the link to

2396
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:28,240
this studio they join. 
And what we can do is we can 

2397
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,480
either do it kind of how we have
it right now where I'm speaking,

2398
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:35,600
but it's only you on the screen.
OK, Hey, if they're not, hey, if

2399
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:38,320
it's not looking too rough, we 
could do, we could do the split 

2400
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,200
Cam. 
I I like that. 

2401
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,720
So basically, and again, it's 
almost like when you and I have 

2402
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:43,840
a guest, right, We have the 
guest. 

2403
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,800
Exactly. 
On the platform that we use, it 

2404
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,000
would almost be. 
It would be. 

2405
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:50,520
It would be a it would be a 
separate link. 

2406
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:54,440
They would reach out to you and 
then I would hear their voice. 

2407
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:56,920
You would patch them through. 
Would you put up on the screen, 

2408
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,320
Joe in New Jersey? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

2409
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,680
OK, All right, You know, we can 
talk more about this later 

2410
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:04,240
today. 
We will. 

2411
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:07,400
I think it's. 
I mean, I've got it. 

2412
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:09,560
Written out kind of like how I 
think we should. 

2413
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,520
Do it I. 
Think it's time I I think that 

2414
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,880
we've grown to a place where the
training and wheels are off. 

2415
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,920
We've got sponsorships, digital 
store coming. 

2416
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:22,200
We've rolled out some A+ guests 
here, obviously viable, you 

2417
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:25,080
know, growing by the day. 
I think it's time. 

2418
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:27,840
That's something I want because 
I miss talking to people. 

2419
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,160
That's the one thing that I do. 
People say, do you miss the fan?

2420
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:32,120
I mean, there's elements that I 
certainly miss about the fan for

2421
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:34,360
sure. 
But I think the thing that I 

2422
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:38,680
missed the most is being able to
interact in a, in a, in a more 

2423
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:40,920
conventional way. 
I, I think that that's something

2424
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,120
that would add. 
So like the show's got juice 

2425
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:44,760
because I'm always going to 
bring energy, you know that. 

2426
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:48,480
But I think that's a different 
juice, a combative juice, just a

2427
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:53,360
different level of intrigue and 
unpredictability that I think. 

2428
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:56,520
And again, you and I will talk 
more downstream, but this is 

2429
01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:58,600
something we're pursuing. 
We're going to get on top of 

2430
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:01,240
this and we're we're going to. 
I don't know when this will be 

2431
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:03,640
introduced, but it will be soon.
Deal. 

2432
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:05,320
Yeah, deal. 
I mean, deal. 

2433
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:09,080
Listen ASAP. 
I'm writing the steps out as we 

2434
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:10,560
speak. 
He's awesome. 

2435
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:13,040
If you guys knew how hard this 
guy's working behind the scenes,

2436
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:15,240
man, you'd be because I've 
gotten a. 

2437
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:17,200
Lot I give J Rod a little love 
here. 

2438
01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:20,800
I've gotten a lot of people you 
know, you take you taking the 

2439
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:23,080
kid along well and you know 
you're treating them right and 

2440
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:26,160
all that stuff that that's good.
I'm happy that people, you know,

2441
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:29,400
can see that and and I show them
respect and you know, it's 

2442
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,480
learning stuff, but the 
initiatives got to be there. 

2443
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:37,200
And it is like he's all in. 
I mean he is all in on the 

2444
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:40,280
structure of the show. 
He was on the business call with

2445
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:42,560
one of our newer sponsors. 
Again, we're going to trot that 

2446
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,920
out Monday. 
He was only asked a couple of 

2447
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,240
very pertinent questions. 
So, you know, the love that J 

2448
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:51,040
Rod gets and most of the 
questions are obviously for me 

2449
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,080
and stuff, but you know, he is, 
he's a big part of this and he's

2450
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,920
doing a great job and I'm proud 
of him. 

2451
01:59:56,280 --> 02:00:00,840
And reinforces again that I made
the right hire when I said J 

2452
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:02,840
Rod's going to be my producer. 
I just want to say that. 

2453
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,640
Yeah, thank you. 
Thank you. 

2454
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:06,480
I appreciate it. 
I mean, listen, I could. 

2455
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:10,920
I could go on and on for years. 
About literally for years, about

2456
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:13,200
how awesome these past four 
months have been. 

2457
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:15,240
You don't have to. 
That's not what that's about, 

2458
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:17,560
man. 
I, I know you don't have to, but

2459
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:19,040
I'm not. 
That's not what I'm fishing for.

2460
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:21,920
That's about you, that you can 
leave it at that. 

2461
02:00:22,240 --> 02:00:25,240
You know, I told you, I know 
that your parents have done a 

2462
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:27,920
great job with you because I 
just think that the way the work

2463
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:31,120
ethic and the engagement, you 
know, you hear a lot of yeah, 

2464
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:34,040
how you hear a lot of knocks on 
on the younger generation. 

2465
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,240
They don't want to work hard. 
They're lazy. 

2466
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,000
Not my guy. 
Not my guy. 

2467
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,040
J Rod. 
Not at all. 

2468
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:42,080
I don't know, French guy. 
Other people are like, like 

2469
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:44,520
because other people say stuff 
like that, like my age, like, 

2470
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:47,520
oh, I don't want to work. 
Oh, I don't want, I actively 

2471
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:49,560
want more work. 
I want more work than what I'm 

2472
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:52,160
doing right now. 
Like I want it. 

2473
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:55,040
Like not I need. 
I just I relish in it. 

2474
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:56,760
So that's why you're part of the
team, bro. 

2475
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,040
There we go. 
I I knew it. 

2476
02:00:58,080 --> 02:00:59,640
I identified it. 
They're part of the team. 

2477
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:01,200
Good stuff, man. 
I want to say that. 

2478
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:02,640
To you. 
Thank you. 

2479
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:04,200
Thank you. 
Appreciate it. 

2480
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:05,920
Let's keep it going. 
Workout. 

2481
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,920
Let's get those calls. 
Let's go, let's get going and 

2482
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:09,760
then. 
Yep, Yep. 

2483
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:11,440
All right, man. 
And it seems like, you know, 

2484
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:15,160
based on the responses, if not 
everybody, most people 

2485
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:17,600
certainly. 
Dig the new the new look here I 

2486
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:20,000
think I think it's I think it's 
more visually appealing yeah, 

2487
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:22,880
it's warmer yeah. 
Yeah, that it's warmer. 

2488
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,160
Let's face it, anytime you get a
chance to show off an. 

2489
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:26,040
Emmy Yeah. 
It's not. 

2490
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,720
You know you. 
Gotta get a little digital. 

2491
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:30,600
Flex isn't the worst thing in 
the world when you try to build 

2492
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:31,960
out the brand. 
You know what I mean, Jay? 

2493
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:33,480
Yeah. 
Oh, come on now. 

2494
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:36,800
No, I, I feel like, I feel like 
it's necessary, like every, 

2495
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:39,160
every. 
Sports show guy kind of has 

2496
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:42,160
their little awards and their 
trophies behind them, so yeah, 

2497
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:44,280
got to do the same. 
I can't wait, wait till we get 

2498
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:45,240
that. 
It's going to it's going to be a

2499
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:48,160
minute, but when we get that 
$100,000 plaque from YouTube of 

2500
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:50,160
the 100,000. 
Sub plaque from YouTube. 

2501
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:53,400
The $100,000 plaque from 
YouTube. 

2502
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,080
Oh yeah, we'll get that. 
We'll get that. 

2503
02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:57,560
That's. 
Call revenue, we're getting 

2504
02:01:57,560 --> 02:01:58,160
there, buddy. 
We're doing. 

2505
02:01:58,160 --> 02:01:59,720
Let's go, let's go. 
Let me. 

2506
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:01,360
Bounce. 
Let me bounce here, Jay. 

2507
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,480
Rod, have a great rest of your 
Wednesday, everybody tonight 

2508
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:05,160
again. 
Jets you don't have to put. 

2509
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:06,760
It up on the screen Jay, you're 
good, you've done enough. 

2510
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:11,600
J episode #4 Jets collective all
draft the rumblings, the 

2511
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:14,120
possibilities. 
We are 8 days away, away from 

2512
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:16,160
the NFL draft. 
A lot of draft content next 

2513
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:18,320
week. 
Obviously we just tuned in. 

2514
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:20,320
A lot of Mets stuff at the 
start, some Yankee stuff as 

2515
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:23,920
well, little little St. 
John's portal stuff and Mel 

2516
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:25,240
Kiper's draft. 
We went through that. 

2517
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:28,040
At least the top 10 picks and 
some other things he thinks 

2518
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:30,080
going to happen. 
So great time of the sports 

2519
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:31,840
year. 
Have an awesome rest of your 

2520
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:34,000
Wednesday. 
See you tomorrow on Unleashed.