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What's happening everybody, 
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house. 
We got a lot to get to obviously

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a little horrible Mets making 
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All right. 
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fantastic day for the Giants. 
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There was a a clear message. 
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control of the franchise. 
It was just really, really good.

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I thought that John Horbaugh was
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out and he says, quote, I wanted
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know, pump that oxygen, pump 
that light, give it, just vein 

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it up. 
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you not feeling phenomenal about
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Really, guys, it was the 
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buttoned up, very diligent, very
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areas, fairly stealth operation 
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frankly, you know, I'm not alone
in believing this. 

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I'm not so sure that they were 
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anymore. 
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together and then yesterday was 
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When you tried out the new head 
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Giants, he said that, you know, 
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love. 
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it's a New York Football Giants.
My dad taught me that. 

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His dad's a former coach, You 
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I mean, imagine those guys when 
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beat the shit out of each other.
Two incredibly competitive guys.

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So it's really just a winning 
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Now, listen, this doesn't 
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This doesn't mean that, you 
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the Knicks did back in the 90s 
or, you know, Parcells to The 

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Jets, even though The Jets 
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Knicks. 
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a little bit of everything. 
I, I don't think that, that John

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Harbaugh is an A+ coach. 
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really, really good coach. 
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think that John Harbaugh is the 
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perfect time for the New York 
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abyss. 
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them to to a place where, you 
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however many seasons he's here. 
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decade plus. 
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He's got a lengthy contract, as 

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we know. 
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react to, you know, what he said
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presented themselves and how the
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done organizationally and, and 
really just judge them on what 

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they were looking for. 
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search here was very, very 
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looking for a leader of men. 
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They were looking for somebody 
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captivating a locker room and 
really rallying players and just

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building that morale up. 
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You listen to this guy talk for 
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through a brick wall for him. 
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accountability within the 
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Check. 
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there. 
I it's just one of those moments

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where, you know, there's a lot 
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Obviously, you got to hit the 
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know, read, you got to bring 
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Like there's a reason why the 
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a really long time. 
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something to be said about an 
infectious delivery, an 

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inspiring delivery. 
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had that if like Tomlin was up 
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But I think there's very few men
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able to to galvanized an entire 
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has so clearly done. 
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have rolled out Belichick, I'm 
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because the messaging and the, 
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little bit different. 
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coach than John Horbaugh, but 
this is going to take a lot of 

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energy and somebody like 
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got that at this point. 
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home run? 
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to say it's a home run. 
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I love the Giants because the 
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a million ways sideways. 
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allowed Dabel to kind of 
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finish out the season. 
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year. 
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respect. 
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you're messing around, other 
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and they're getting things 
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So when when they decided to 
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firing of Dabel official during 
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to, you know, really begin to 
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importantly, start to act on it.
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Listen, there were obviously a 
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weekend. 
I know some giant fans would get

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a little worried. 
I never thought it wouldn't 

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happen. 
Contracts or contracts, 

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especially at this level. 
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detailed. 
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not just talking about the 
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thing and you know, gets us to 
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Poor Joe Shane had a rough day. 
Poor Joe Shane had a really 

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rough day. 
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already said at this point, he 
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And I know what John said that 
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I know what John marry John 
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I know what John Maris, I know 
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Make no mistake about it. 
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there is a, a debate on a 
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they trade off or they trade 
down, whatever it might be, John

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Harbaugh's going to win that 
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If there's a debate on a free 
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they're pursuing and John 
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and others think that John 
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there's and he should. 
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If there's somebody in the 
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free agent or they might want to
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there's some people who have 
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in that player. 
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They've been around that player 
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Horbaugh does not view that 
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buy in or doesn't like the tape,
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John Horbaugh communicates that.
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maybe from others in the room, 
John Horbaugh wins that as well.

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And that's what you want. 
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Who's in charge, Who's got the 
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And it's John Horbaugh. 
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deeply into this, but because 
today's really not the day to do

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it extensively. 
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going through the process and, 
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McCarthy as well. 
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the same guy in terms of resume.
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differently. 
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energy. 
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different perception between 
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ago was them just flushing lead 
after lead after lead after lead

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after lead down the chute. 
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reiterating here. 
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Harbaugh's not going to win. 
Because when Coughlin came here,

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his Jaguar teams had success, 
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ring. 
So he's already proven that he 

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could do it. 
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is this is interesting because 
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you've had an MVP, you've had a 
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in the game and you've had 
somebody that that has been 

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really capable of elevating A 
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You know, Dart did it a little 
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and more and more. 
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when he's healthy, Burrow when 
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kind of players are obviously 
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Championship viable. 
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lost 12 games while leading by 7
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fourth quarter. 
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history in any five year span. 
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when the Vikings were going to 
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Steelers were winning those 
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doing their thing, or the Bills 
in the 80s were getting to all 

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those Super Bowls but not 
winning where the Giants were 

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winning a couple with Parcells 
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Any, any iteration of any team, 
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And by extension, you won't find
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his watch, under his football 
jurisdiction, blew more fourth 

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quarter games, leads 7 plus 
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Horbaugh. 
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fault? 
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that's the case, but it's on his
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real and it's something that 
he's going to have to exercise 

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very early. 
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sense of how active they are in 
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positions they attack in the 
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Are they trying to build the 
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neighbors. 
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You get Cam back, you get a 
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decent tight end room. 
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They have better coaching, 
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the Giants offense has a chance 
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soon because they were actually 
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this year. 
So they can go that route or 

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they could just double down and 
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defense and go safety, go 
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themselves, all right, our 
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Now let's take the assets, 
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the drafting of other players, 
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the extension of somebody like 
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where you can just look to build
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Personally, I kind of attack 
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enough weaknesses on both sides.
But that's down the road. 

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That's draft talk down the road.
It's more about a concept. 

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It's more about a philosophy. 
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yesterday, it's really about 
somebody who just stepped to the

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podium. 
And and I really thought that I 

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thought that John Harbaugh 
struck the perfect balance of 

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being in control, being humble 
in terms of wanting to be there,

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speaking with reverence about 
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reverence about ownership, 
referencing his dad and what his

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dad, you know, impressed upon 
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But I'm sure by extension, his 
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football Giants growing up. 
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Little witty, little funny 
little series, what he needed to

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be like. 
We're not we're not here to mess

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around man like we're going to 
attack this with unrelenting 

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vigor or, or or passion. 
What's the expression that the 

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horrible shoes passion unknown 
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And and that's a real thing. 
And I know that for some people 

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that sounds corny, not to me. 
I, I think if the results are 

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there and you say that, well 
then I think that that, that 

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it's, that it's working, it's 
meshing. 

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And I remember going back to his
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So when I go to San Francisco 
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in 20, I guess it was 2011 and 
2012 and the Niners were really,

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really, really down. 
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afternoon drive. 
August 1st, we launched this new

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station on FM when, when 
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go to FM, right? 
And we had Deion Sanders on, who

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I got into an argument with 
actually, because it was 

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ridiculous. 
All I said. 

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I mean, I was having fun. 
It was toward the middle. 

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It's like the first thing I hit 
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But it was, I think, was it 
Steph Curry? 

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It was Dion. 
No, it was Dion. 

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Bruce Bocci, the manager of the 
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Right. 
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then I'll get back to what's 
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start, you know, playing with 
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tackling. 
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know, in hindsight, actually, I 
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I mean, I wouldn't take it back,
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at the perfect place because he 
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played with him on the Niners. 
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a pretty jovial tone to the 
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I'm like I said something along 
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are you to talk about tackling? 
You never want to tackle Dion, 

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come on. 
Like, and he got pissed and it 

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kind of got derailed a little 
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But shortly there just a little 
funny Side Story. 

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Shortly thereafter, I had Jim 
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We had him on for 20-30 minutes.
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obviously from Stanford and how 
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Carroll and Stanford, USC was 
huge. 

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I knew him as a player, I knew 
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he comes on and that's one of 
the things that he was espousing

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exactly what John said 
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Like we're going to attack 
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unrelenting vigor and, and, and,
and vigor and passion unknown to

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man. 
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to an extent saying, all right, 
this is a little corny, man. 

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I mean, this is not high school,
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let's let's win one for the 
Gipper. 

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This is the NFL guys making 
millions. 

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That is that message really 
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And it really did. 
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that if you believe it and you 
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John Horvaugh absolutely does 
and will continue to do, that is

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a man of pride. 
That is a man of focus. 

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That is a man of conviction. 
That is a man of football 

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sensibility. 
That is a man with broad 

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shoulders who was able to 
deflect all the nonsense sense 

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that's going to hit the Giants 
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everybody, especially in New 
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well, he'll diffuse it. 
Perfect tire. 

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Really, I think just a perfect 
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But when you live by that mantra
that really does even if there's

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a couple of guys who were on the
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saying I with this, this 
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I didn't even think that they'll
say that. 

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But there might be a few who do 
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All right, whatever man, let's 
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Let's go practice, right. 
Well, first of all, those guys 

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will be gone because John 
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like you have a quarterback 
clock. 

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His coaching clock is really 
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The great see the really good 
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The first thing you got to do is
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extra work, like who, who's 
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who's a foxhole guy before you 
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roster. 
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then eventually when you have 
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roster with now the mindset has 
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building and that's all that's 
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And if you're not living it, 
then you're not sticking around,

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you're out. 
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players get bounced, and trust 
me, they will. 

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Well, then the guys who maybe 
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hang out in the New York area 
and play for the New York Giants

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and play for one of these great 
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then you get your act together 
or you get booted to the curb. 

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So I think the way that that 
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He projected yesterday. 
It's not bullshit. 

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It's not nonsense. 
It's not, oh, let me throw a 

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little, you know, a little 
phrase out there like Robert 

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Salva did on Hard Knocks with 
the Falcons and the birds and 

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the bees and the worms. 
Whatever stupid analogy that he 

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was trying to hit, it was so 
cordy and it was so weak, right?

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It didn't work right. 
So, and and I hope that Salva 

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learns from that and becomes a 
better coach. 2 point O And I 

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think he will. 
I bet upon a quarterback, but I 

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think that he will in terms of 
being the real the real 

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quarterback. 
I I think Cam could be matter of

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fact if there's a better chance 
that he will be than he won't 

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be. 
Just to clarify that I'm, I'm a 

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fan of Kim Ward, but you know, 
until you see it on a regular 

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basis, that's going to be the 
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or not he wins or anybody wins. 
Same with John Horbaugh. 

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So here's a guy who walks up to 
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contingent of media and former 
giants and current giants. 

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I think there was a couple and 
it's like 220 people there. 

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I mean, that's a big room. 
It's a big room to walk and he 

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just the moment that he stepped 
up to the podium, he pumped life

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and he pumped oxygen into the 
lungs and he pumped passion into

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the veins of the building and 
the fan base. 

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So just to win really good 
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And I'm very interested to see 
where, you know, the first 

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couple of moves and where they 
go, you know, but that I'm still

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laughing at the, the, the, the 
passion unknown to man, the way 

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you do that. 
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becomes a real thing and not 
some corny contrived nonsense, 

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right? 
Is that you just the smallest 

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things like a meeting, an 
offseason gathering like you, 

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you, that's, that's the 
expectation. 

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And then you've got to lean on 
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determine who's in and who's 
not, you know, and, and one 

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thing really one thing about I 
think the modern athlete gets 

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knocked around a little bit. 
I really do. 

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I think some of it's justified 
because I think not all, but I 

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think too many modern athletes 
are all about me, me, me. 

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Look at me on Instagram. 
Look at me wearing this 

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ridiculously dumb outfit into 
the arena or the, or the stadium

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like Burrow, or, you know, some 
of these guys in the NBA that 

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wear sweaters that are 9, 
literally 9 sizes too big down 

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to their knees. 
Like some guys are wearing 

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heels. 
Like I, I don't know. 

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I don't know what the hell is 
going on, man. 

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If that was me, I'd be, I'm not 
saying I wouldn't want to look 

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good. 
I can promise you I wouldn't 

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look like that, but the knock 
that a lot of the younger 

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players get and, and I've talked
to Rick Pitino about this, 

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right? 
Even with the NIA good win by 

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St. 
John's last night, I'll hit them

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a little bit at the end. 
Very little, right, But a good 

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win because that would have 
derailed a lot of the good they 

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did the last week and 1/2 or so,
getting out those quad one wins 

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and building up their resume. 
Really important win. 

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Even though they looked awful in
the first half, they were down 

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by 15. 
So I've talked to Rick about 

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this and, and I, I was even of 
the mindset that that athletes 

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have changed, right? 
Well, why wouldn't you? 

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Because it just seems like, you 
know, every, everybody's bounced

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them out. 
Let me join this super team. 

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Let me circumvent the hard way 
and go the easy route. 

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What a look at me, the 
glorification of me, LeBron with

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his powder me, me, me. 
It does drive me nuts to an 

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extent, right? 
Some of the stupid social media 

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beeps and social media tweets 
like good God almighty, just 

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focus on your craft, man. 
It's getting out of hand. 

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But what Rick told me and others
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really not that the athletes 
changed so much. 

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It's what's changed around the 
athlete. 

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All right, and listen, I'm, I'm 
so far past that stage of 

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wanting to walk into an arena 
looking like a rock star or a 

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rap star or an actor or whatever
the hell these guys look like. 

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But I'm sure if I was younger, 
you know, maybe I'm I'm not 

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being sincere to this 
conversation. 

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If I was 23, I still don't think
I would do that. 

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But that doesn't mean that they 
don't want to be coached hard. 

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And I think that that's the 
misperception that because 

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whether it's college making, you
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you're a quarterback in certain 
spots, $10 million for NIO 

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money, that they don't want to 
be told what to do. 

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I actually don't think that 
fundamentally the mindset of the

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athlete has really changed that 
much. 

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I think a lot of it is the noise
around the athlete, as I said. 

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And let's face it, if there 
weren't all these networks with 

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these cameras zooming in on 
these guys and then showing them

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walking into the arena and then 
walking into the stadium, well 

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then maybe they wouldn't play it
up as much and it wouldn't get 

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as much, you know, as much run. 
So in a lot of ways, I think 

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they're just beholden to what 
these networks are kind of 

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asking them to do. 
But if you are a coach who is 

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well principled and you can 
connect to a player, I don't 

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care if you are a white kid from
the sticks. 

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I don't care if you're a black 
kid from the inner city. 

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I don't care if you're a white 
kid from the inner city. 

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I don't care if you're a black 
kid from the sticks. 

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I don't care if you're 
religious, if you're an atheist.

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It doesn't matter what you are, 
what your sexual proclivity is, 

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if you want to win, right? 
And you more importantly, you 

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trust that person, person that 
is trying to coach you up, they 

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will still put out the effort 
that's required that I think a 

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lot of you really, there's no 
way that that's true the hell 

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out of here. 
I mean, hold on, time out. 

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Let me get a 22nd time out here.
All right, so let me get my guy 

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Jay Rod in here for a little 
moment. 

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I've got the J. 
Rod, what's up? 

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What's up, brother? 
How you doing? 

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How's it going? 
I'm alive. 

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We're still living. 
Yeah, well, for now, we got the 

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J Rod test a little later. 
So what? 

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What the hell was that? 
I mean, that's not true. 

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I don't believe, I mean the 
comments are kind of popping off

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with this, but based on Twitter 
and just like any news sources 

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I'm kind of scanning through, 
I'm not seeing anything, just. 

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Yet, but after they told me they
came with like a nine year deal,

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which would still make no sense 
like the guy's 30 years old. 

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What are they going to give him 
a contract at least 45 freaking 

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years old? 
Come on, J Rod, What what we put

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up on the screen there, brother?
I mean listen, he tossed the 5 

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bucks. 
You got to throw it up. 

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You know, something like that, 
you got to toss 5000 bucks to 

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get that idiocy read. 
All right, bro, I'm going to get

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back to you. 
Don't worry. 

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I'm coming with the J Rod test 
and we will determine maybe as a

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group, if we allow J Rod to to 
stick around to continue to 

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produce, you know, and do what 
he's doing. 

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She's off to a good start. 
Although that Mattingly moment 

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obviously gave me a little bit 
of pause. 

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So Jay, we'll get back to you, 
buddy. 

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I appreciate it, man. 
But I do think that no matter 

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where you're from, no matter, 
you know, what we might think 

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about some of these young 
athletes, right? 

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And and I know it's been kind of
hijacked. 

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It's been a little 
misrepresented. 

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That's why I make it my business
to talk to people that have been

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in the game forever, like 
somebody like Rick Pitino, who 

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in 87 basically if he told Billy
Donovan to run. 

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You know, 9 mountains and then 
jogged if you go fly to Hawaii 

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and jump in a volcano to help 
the Providence Friars get to the

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final four. 
Billy Donovan was doing it. 

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And now that there's an 
association or there's a thought

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that the athletes are less about
the level of compete and, and 

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the championship pursuit, more 
about the, I don't know some of 

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the spoils that come with being 
an athlete and, and some are, 

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but by the way, so we're sold 
back in the so, so somewhere 

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like that back in the day. 
So I think somebody like John 

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Horribaugh, why he's going to 
work here and I and I believe 

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work at a very high level is 
because his message is 

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authentic. 
You're going to see him in the 

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weight room, you're going to see
him. 

444
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,640
He is going to be real with you.
And I just really think that 

445
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,720
that's what I think that's what 
young kids want. 

446
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,640
I think young kids want to be 
coached hard. 

447
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,760
I think young kids, they might 
not want it or they might not 

448
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,240
know that they want it, but I 
think deep down their instincts 

449
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,480
tell them, even if they resisted
outwardly is like as parents, I 

450
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,320
think deep down kids want to be 
parented properly and parented 

451
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,920
hard. 
I think structure is great and I

452
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,520
think structure still works, but
you got to be a real one. 

453
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,320
If you're a phony, you going to 
be sniffed down a heartbeat and 

454
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,520
you done. 
And that's why I really do 

455
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,400
think, you know, I'm not trying 
to beg on Robert Salva, but I 

456
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,640
think what he presented was not 
really his authentic self. 

457
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,240
And I hope he's true to himself 
with his next job here because I

458
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,880
think there's a lot of good 
qualities in there. 

459
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,640
And that comes with being 
experienced and failing and 

460
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,280
lifting yourself off the mat and
look into the mirror and 

461
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,480
assessing and addressing and 
then changing ultimately what 

462
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,480
you need to ultimately change to
get better. 

463
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,360
And I think he'll do that 
because I think he's a smart 

464
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:50,360
guy. 
I think he's a good football 

465
00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,400
person. 
But I just think that, you know,

466
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,120
he he was out of sorts. 
And I think you contrast that 

467
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,440
to, you know, some of the recent
Giant coaches to bring it back 

468
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,320
to Harbaugh. 
It's obviously not about solid. 

469
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,320
It's just a point of reference, 
but you know, Shermer just 

470
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,920
didn't have any real presence. 
I mean, Judge didn't. 

471
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,440
He thought he was Belichick to 
an extent. 

472
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,800
He talked himself out of that 
job. 

473
00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:13,400
Although Dabel really showed 
some good early signs going for 

474
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,800
two against Tennessee. 
Direct the bullshit kind of old 

475
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,640
school, you know, hardcore, 
which I like. 

476
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,400
But then, you know, friction 
with wink and little friction 

477
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,240
here, a little uncertainty 
there. 

478
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,960
It just could escape all the 
losses. 

479
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,040
That's why I think somebody like
Dabel, you know, if he if he if 

480
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,400
he goes somewhere and he will, 
and he's the OC and that they 

481
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,160
score a lot of points and he 
gets another job. 

482
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,440
I think if Brian Dabel could 
have some early success at his 

483
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,280
next head coaching job, I think 
Brian Dabel has got a chance to 

484
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,480
be a really, really good coach. 
Because I do think that he's got

485
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,560
that connectivity that players 
crave that I think that they 

486
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,560
need. 
They just want to know that you 

487
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,840
care about them and you show 
that a lot of different ways. 

488
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,840
But I, I think that's where I 
think that's one of John 

489
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Horrible's greatest assets. 
I think to think that John 

490
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,120
Horrible is the best XS and O 
strategist in football. 

491
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,960
I think that that's I think that
that's wrong as evidenced by the

492
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,760
fact since 2021, you know, 
during the five year span, he's 

493
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,400
got the most blown fourth 
quarter leads of seven or more 

494
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,520
points in any five year span in 
the history of the NFL. 

495
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Like somebody like Belichick who
knows the rule book backwards 

496
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,960
and forwards and sideways and up
and down. 

497
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:29,280
That's not happening. 
So I'm not saying it's all John 

498
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,080
Horrible's fault, but there's a 
little weakness in there. 

499
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,000
But I think that the overall 
strengths, the demeanor, the 

500
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,080
presentation, the presence, the 
conviction, the reverence for 

501
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,440
the franchise, the the demanding
of a high level of 

502
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,200
accountability and effort, those
are two very different things. 

503
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,200
Like you could work your ass 
off, right? 

504
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,320
You could be in the weight room,
you could be running, you can 

505
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,240
come in great shape. 
You could be diligent in the 

506
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,360
playbook, right? 
So you could put the work in 

507
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,760
where nobody can question your 
work ethic. 

508
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,280
But you still have to be able. 
And this is hard for kids, young

509
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,880
kids, you still have to be able 
to own the failures and you 

510
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,520
could be a beast of a worker, 
but, you know, kind of deflect. 

511
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,800
I, I, I was there, I did my job.
Like we're not looking for that.

512
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,680
We're looking for a teammate. 
We're looking for a guy who's a 

513
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,480
foxhole guy. 
And if you doing this pointing, 

514
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,720
you know, at somebody rather 
than thumb to the chest, you're 

515
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,560
not a horrible kind of guy and 
you will absolutely be gone 

516
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,280
period. 
So just a really, really, really

517
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,680
good day. 
It was fun. 

518
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:34,440
You know, guys like that excite 
me. 

519
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,360
I wish I had a few more coaches 
like that when I was younger. 

520
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,520
I really do. 
I mean, my dad coached me and my

521
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,880
dad was great. 
My high school coaches were 

522
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,360
tough. 
I had two college coaches. 

523
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,520
My my college coach who 
recruited me got fired after my 

524
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520
junior year. 
Rest in peace. 

525
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,120
Really good guy. 
You know, we had some friction, 

526
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:58,600
but he to me, he was, he let us 
get away with too much. 

527
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080
And when you give common, not 
that I didn't work, I did, but 

528
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,680
not everybody did. 
And when you give college kids 

529
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,800
that kind of freedom to and you 
trust them too much, it's going 

530
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,680
to get away from you. 
And it got away from him and it 

531
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,880
cost him his job. 
Whereas the next guy who came 

532
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,360
in, who was my manager for my 
senior year is now the manager 

533
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,880
at Virginia Tech. 
And he's one of the highest paid

534
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,840
coaches in college baseball. 
Before that, he went to Maryland

535
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,840
and he elevated them to the 
heights they hadn't been to 

536
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,240
since 19 in 79. 
His name was John Sheff SI could

537
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:37,120
never spell his name SCEFZI mean
the guy shows up and he he 

538
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,000
played at UConn a little bit. 
He played a Drexel. 

539
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,560
He was a coach. 
So he worked his way up, 

540
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,840
obviously, and he comes to us As
for, and this is what I mean, 

541
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,440
like, you just know, when 
somebody stop fucking around the

542
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,520
first day of practice, he come 
first. 

543
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,120
He's jacked, right? 
And, and he's still jacked and 

544
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,280
he's got this buzz cut kind of 
like military Chris Mullin flat 

545
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,200
top. 
And he's running with us and 

546
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,000
he's lifting with us. 
And you could just, you're like,

547
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,120
man, I, I wish I had more time 
with this guy. 

548
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,440
And then, you know, not by 
coincidence. 

549
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,640
And really at Marist, we lost a 
lot. 

550
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,080
I lost a lot more than I won at 
Marist. 

551
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,440
Every year was a losing season. 
Part of the reason why my my, 

552
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,400
you know, gentleman who 
recruited me was fired and John 

553
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,920
came in and through attention to
detail and through connecting, 

554
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,040
through hard work, through 
accountability. 

555
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,440
The year of course, crack the 
joke. 

556
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,800
The year after I leave, this 
happens the year after I left, 

557
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,120
they went to the NCAA tournament
and you don't think I hear it 

558
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,280
from my buddies when I see them 
like they got their rings. 

559
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,440
I'm like I missed out on the 
year. 

560
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840
By the way, I if, if I'm still 
on the team and if I'm still 

561
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,360
playing the way I did before, 
you know, in terms of playing 

562
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,040
time, we wouldn't have been an 
NCAA team. 

563
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,280
He brought it better players. 
That's, that's, that's the 

564
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,480
reality of the world, right? 
I could accept that now. 

565
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,960
And they went on to beat like 
they lost to JD Drew 2 to one in

566
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,400
the regionals. 
JD Drew, I mean, first round 

567
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720
pick, insane. 
They beat Nebraska, like they 

568
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,080
beat some good teams along the 
way. 

569
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,520
And then they went on a run 
where they made the NCAA 

570
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,520
tournament five of six years, 
something like that. 

571
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,480
And then of course, he moved on 
Maryland and then eventually 

572
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,680
Virginia Tech. 
So like great coaches are just 

573
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720
great coaches. 
I say that not to give you the 

574
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,280
rundown of how much I lost in 
Maris, but really the effect 

575
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080
that one man had on pretty much 
the same roster. 

576
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,200
Because even though I had him 
for one year, the year that I 

577
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,200
had him, we won the most games 
in school history. 

578
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,280
And then the next year they made
the tournament with without me 

579
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,400
and whatever and with much 
better players than me. 

580
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,520
And he just had a different 
mindset. 

581
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,920
He had a different mantra and he
demanded different things and 

582
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,760
Harbaugh's the same way. 
So Congrats to the giants. 

583
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680
They crushed it. 
You know, everybody was 

584
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080
involved. 
I'm happy for John Mara about 

585
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,200
Chris Mara was really important 
here. 

586
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Tish obviously had a role and 
hey, what do you need help? 

587
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,280
Like we're not going to start 
you low and and and the go shade

588
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,120
up and bullshit around. 
We're going to start you at 18 

589
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,840
five just in terms of a a 
respectful negotiation point, 

590
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,960
just to let you know how much we
want you And we know we'll go up

591
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,520
from there, which they did a 
little bit. 

592
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,720
What do you need for you? 
All right, we got that. 

593
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,440
We'll cut the check. 
What do you need? 

594
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,120
Private jet family. 
We'll fly your family back to I 

595
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,680
I believe they're in Michigan. 
I think wherever his parents 

596
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,080
are, we'll fly your wife back to
Baltimore after this and you do 

597
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,520
what you got to do. 
Like everything was done first 

598
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,440
rate. 
And I think what's really good 

599
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,640
about this, even Coughlin 
calling, Gable calling Eli 

600
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,960
calling like this was a massive 
coalescing of very important 

601
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,600
aspects of the Giants to prove 
to somebody who wanted to 

602
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,040
believe that the Giants are 
still the Giants and that they 

603
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,720
could still, you know, they 
could, that they that they can 

604
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,720
be perceived as the Giants the 
way John Horribaugh and older 

605
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,680
coaches perceive the Giants. 
So great stuff. 

606
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,320
Home run is a Super Bowl. 
So I'm not going to quite say 

607
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,960
that, but it's a stand up triple
and you would have to think that

608
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,520
at some point, you know, 
especially if Jackson darts the 

609
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,200
guy that this team will be in 
and I believe he is in NFC 

610
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Championship games. 
I'm not saying next year, but 

611
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,720
before you know it and they'll 
win 10/11/12 and eventually, you

612
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,040
know, Dallas or the Commanders 
or the Eagles will be looking up

613
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,840
at the Giants. 
You hope in the standings 

614
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520
because this man wins knows how 
to win and he knows how to 

615
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
excite and he knows how to 
resuscitate. 

616
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,040
I believe what what is you know 
until proven otherwise, a 

617
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880
moribund franchise. 
Good job, giants. 

618
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,160
All right, let me get to this 
year. 

619
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,280
By the way, I'll get the giant 
comments as you Jared. 

620
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,480
Feel free to pop them in. 
If something you know makes 

621
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,280
sense whatever, let me know 
because obviously I want to dive

622
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,680
into my notes here. 
I want to get to a few more 

623
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,600
things now, the Baseball Hall of
Fame, All right. 

624
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200
So, I mean, I, I, it's lost its 
luster. 

625
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400
And I'm not going to just go on 
a diatribe as to why. 

626
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,240
We all know why, because the 
barriers have been lowered. 

627
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,640
I mean, what what you had to be 
back in the day to be enshrined 

628
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,800
in baseball's Hall of Fame and 
gain that that level of 

629
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920
immortality, it's lowered. 
And it there's nothing to debate

630
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,280
about that. 
When you have somebody like 

631
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,640
Harold Baines and you know, Don 
Sutton and Purple I Levin, all 

632
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,680
really good players, varying 
degrees of individual success. 

633
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,280
I get it, but they're all kind 
of come from the same cloth. 

634
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,640
None of them were great. 
They were, you know, I think 

635
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Baines was the worst of the 
three. 

636
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,800
There's no way Baines should be 
in. 

637
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,640
Please. 
Like that was the last frontier.

638
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Harold Baines is a Hall of 
Famer. 

639
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,000
You bet. 
You better, you better at some 

640
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,760
point find a way to open the 
door for Donnie and maybe Keith 

641
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,160
and some others. 
Dale Murphy. 

642
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,120
Like, what are we doing here? 
So I, I could do 10 hours on 

643
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:26,760
that. 
I won't. 

644
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,160
I want to keep it current. 
So yesterday it is fourth year 

645
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,520
of eligibility. 
Beltran gets in as we thought he

646
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,840
would, 84 1/2% whatever it was. 
You know, listen when when you 

647
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120
see, and there was actually some
debate, not yesterday, but 

648
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,880
leading up to after his 
retirement. 

649
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040
And some of it was maybe with 
the Astros in his role in the 

650
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,720
cheating scandal, whatever. 
Put that aside right when you're

651
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,960
a nine time All Star, you got 3 
Gold Gloves in a premium 

652
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
position, probably could add 1/4
or 1/5 as well. 

653
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,080
And you've got almost 450 home 
runs and you've got, you know, 

654
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,840
basically 2800 hits. 
There's really not a whole lot 

655
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,240
to discuss. 
I can understand if you're still

656
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040
married to the benchmarks well 
and hit 500 home runs up and 

657
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,560
have 3000 hits. 
That's a bit antiquated for me, 

658
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,520
but there was enough there even 
like I knew he was going to get 

659
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,080
it and he should. 
And it's awesome. 

660
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,920
And he's going to wear a Met hat
in which will be good. 

661
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,840
But when you see this stat right
about this one or four play one 

662
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,240
of four players with 2700 hits 
or more, 400 home runs or more, 

663
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,720
1500 runs scored or more and 300
stolen bases or more. 

664
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,600
The other guys Bonds, Willie 
Mays, Alex Rodriguez, you're a 

665
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,760
Hall of Famer next. 
Congrats to him. 

666
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,360
Class act, hell of a player. 
Good stuff. 

667
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,280
Andrew Jones, right? 
So I always thought that Andrew 

668
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Jones was a Hall of Famer. 
A lot of people, and I know that

669
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,000
the numbers like very top heavy,
like he was really, really, 

670
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
really amazing. 
And then the numbers really 

671
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,240
start to drop off and dissipate 
and he lost his way. 

672
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,920
Whatever you know, he got, he 
squeaked in. 

673
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,160
He got what, 78 1/2%? 
So three more, little more than 

674
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,160
3 1/2%, right around 3 1/2% of 
the requisite number, 75%. 

675
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Now, this was his ninth year in 
terms of eligibility. 

676
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,080
And you look at some of the 
accolades for Andrew Jones, you 

677
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400
know, he's one of six 
outfielders, one of six in the 

678
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,400
history of baseball to win 10 or
more Gold Gloves in the 

679
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,520
outfield. 
And he's got almost 450 home 

680
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,120
runs. 
And he was on a really awesome 

681
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,200
team, even though they didn't 
win as much as they should, 

682
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640
partly because of the Yankees. 
That that that Braves team was 

683
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,800
phenomenal, right? 
So I got no problem with Andrew 

684
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Jones getting in my first. 
But but here's my issue, like 

685
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,240
the the candidacy, I'm just very
confused by this, right? 

686
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,240
So Beltran should have gotten 
in. 

687
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,640
He did. 
Jones should have gotten in. 

688
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,040
He did. 
But can somebody explain to me, 

689
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,320
all right, how on your first 
year of eligibility, his first 

690
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200
year, which was almost a decade 
ago, he had this and then one 

691
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,720
more. 
And if he didn't get it this 

692
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,280
year and didn't get it, next 
year would have been punted to 

693
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,160
whatever the hell they call that
next level of possible Hall of 

694
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Fame. 
You know, like Mattingly just 

695
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,320
didn't get in and all that 
stuff, right? 

696
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,680
So how can you get 7.3% of the 
votes on his first year of 

697
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,400
eligibility? 
Less than 8%, which is what he 

698
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,960
got, which by the way, is the 
lowest starting mark of any 

699
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,840
eventual intrinee. 
Nobody in the hallowed halls of 

700
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Cooperstown got lower than 
Andrew Jones did and then 

701
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,680
eventually make the Hall of 
Fame. 

702
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,600
So can somebody very succinctly 
please explain to me in very 

703
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,920
basic terms? 
I've got theories, but I'm 

704
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,800
curious what you guys think. 
How can you thought when you get

705
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,120
7% of the vote, you're thought 
you're basically positioned as 

706
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,800
an afterthought? 
He's got no shot, 7%, no chance.

707
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,760
And then how does the math go 
from 7.3% to 78.4%? 

708
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
That's my fundamental aside from
guys getting in who shouldn't, 

709
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,360
and he's not one of them. 
But the math is just fuzzy. 

710
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,000
Fuzzy man. 
The math. 

711
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,160
The math is too unclear, it's 
too nebulous, it's too all over 

712
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560
the place. 
It's too without definition, 

713
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,080
it's without definition, and 
it's really without logic, and 

714
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:07,160
it's without rhyme or reason. 
That makes no sense to me. 7.3% 

715
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:13,239
almost 80% what I mean I can see
if you start out at like 46% 

716
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,639
then you got maybe steroids on 
the resume or you know, you 

717
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,120
start out in the low 40s, you 
know, really, really good 

718
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,560
player, you know, maybe a border
like borderline Hall of Famer 

719
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,199
and then you incrementally inch 
your way up to the 75% 

720
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,360
threshold. 
This doesn't make any sense and 

721
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,560
it's not about Andrew Jones. 
He should be in. 

722
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,239
He shouldn't have gotten 7% when
he was first eligible 9 years 

723
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,880
ago. 
That's the joke of it. 

724
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,520
But then the like the the market
correction, it, it really, 

725
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,480
really leaves me lost. 
Now, some other things that went

726
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,000
down yesterday with the what, 
what what I perceive to be very 

727
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,280
favorable trends, which will set
up some of these guys to 

728
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,440
eventually get in. 
Right. 

729
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080
And you can always, it's always 
fun to ask yourself, like, I'm 

730
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,400
going to, I'm going to name a 
couple of players. 

731
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,320
Yeah. 
I mean, Michael Mara, Dash, V9G.

732
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,800
Might as well put Bernie and 
O'Neill in the whole thing. 

733
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,720
Now, O'neil's not a Hall of 
Famer. 

734
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,800
You can make make more of a case
for Bernie. 

735
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,160
And I'm going to get to that in 
a minute. 

736
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,920
So Chase Utley was up 19%. 
Thanks for the text there, 

737
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,760
buddy. 
Andy Pettit, who I'll get more 

738
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,480
to or more into, was up 21%. 
Felix Hernandez, up 25 1/2%, 

739
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Bobby Abreu up 11%. 
I mean, there there is no 

740
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,160
planet, none that Bobby Abreu is
a Hall of Famer. 

741
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,440
But I'm just giving you the 
numbers. 

742
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,040
But then again, if you looked at
the 7.3 number that Jones got 

743
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,120
back in the day, you'd say he's 
not getting in. 

744
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,560
But then again, if you actually 
saw him play as many of us did, 

745
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,360
you wouldn't lean on the math. 
You lean on your eyes. 

746
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,960
See, to me, the first barometer,
the first gauge is I really just

747
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,480
asked myself, was this guy a 
Hall of Famer? 

748
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:49,760
And there are certain people 
like I I think Don Sutton came 

749
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,120
up in the 60s, same with Burt 
Blile. 

750
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,280
I didn't see them. 
Like I saw those guys at the 

751
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,760
tail end. 
I remember vaguely Don Sutton 

752
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,040
pitching in the 81 World Series 
against the Yankees and that 

753
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,560
Dodger, Dodger Yankees series, 
which the Dodgers won. 

754
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,520
So, you know, I remember like 
hearing his name and maybe 

755
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,320
getting his baseball card or I 
just pitch it against the Mets 

756
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,840
and then he's on Kinder's 
corner. 

757
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,960
If he has a good game, whatever.
Like, yeah. 

758
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,040
But I I like there are times 
where I will to reinforce my 

759
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,240
opinion or to be clear to 
further shape it with more 

760
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,280
defined numbers. 
But my first thing will be my 

761
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040
instinct. 
Sky Hall of Famer, if I didn't 

762
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,560
see him play, numbers will be 
more important to me. 

763
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,000
If I did see him play, they'll 
be less important. 

764
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,680
Although obvious, I can use that
to contextualize other favorably

765
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,560
or or not based on what I come 
up with based on the player. 

766
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,760
So I mean, Bobby Abreu, stop, 
but he's up 11 1/2%. 

767
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Dustin Pedroia, stop, he's up 8 
1/2%. 

768
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Now this is my problem with 
baseball, right? 

769
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,200
And you've heard this a lot. 
How can you write pertaining to 

770
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,080
a lot of different teams and a 
lot of different players? 

771
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,840
How can you write the history of
sport X without player Y? 

772
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Like think about that. 
If you don't reward, whether 

773
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,960
it's some sort of Hall of Fame 
acknowledgement or or retirement

774
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080
of of their number or a 
monument, if you're the Yankees,

775
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,720
whatever it might be, if like, 
how could the the team have had 

776
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,080
the success that they did if 
player X was not part of the 

777
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,360
equation? 
And this gets me to Andy 

778
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,760
Pettitte. 
I just I really don't understand

779
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,880
it. 
I mean, you want to tell me a 

780
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,360
little bit of HGH, OK, All 
right. 

781
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,880
I mean, I don't I put Alex in, I
put Bonds in. 

782
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,400
I put Clemens and I put them all
in. 

783
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,640
And that's the problem too, 
because that's their fault that 

784
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,880
they cheated. 
And, you know, Alex is owned up 

785
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,520
to it. 
Rogers been dodging it. 

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040
And same with Bonds. 
At least Alex has the spine to 

787
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,200
look us in the eyes and say, 
yeah, messed up. 

788
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,800
And I give him a lot of credit 
for that. 

789
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,280
You know, Alex versus a rod 
discussions I've had with Alex, 

790
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,280
like, you know, he could have 
easily taking the taking the, 

791
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,320
you know, the side door like 
Bonds and Clemens and just kind 

792
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,320
of fall off into baseball 
oblivion and say, Nah, man, why?

793
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,360
I don't do anything. 
No evidence, no proof Why? 

794
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,200
So he didn't take that route, 
which I appreciate. 

795
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,280
There's also he also got caught 
a few times. 

796
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,800
So I don't know if he really had
much of A choice. 

797
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,160
But to own it and to be as 
forthright as he and as humble 

798
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,360
as Alex has become. 
I think that's a beautiful 

799
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,560
thing, not just for a player who
was implicated in something, for

800
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,560
a human being, you know, 
attached to any aspect of life. 

801
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,360
It could be anything, not just, 
you know, PEDs. 

802
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,560
But anyway, Andy Pettitte. 
So I know that I watched Andy 

803
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Pettitte first of all, I 
watched, I watched him win 5 

804
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,360
championships #1 so you start 
with that. 

805
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,080
And I know that he wasn't always
quite the ace. 

806
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,960
And I know that there were other
like it was Cone early El Duque 

807
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,720
had a couple of big moments. 
Obviously Clemens had big 

808
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,760
moments. 
Listen, I know CC in 2009, I 

809
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,240
lived it, I know it. 
But Andy Pettitte, to me, how in

810
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:54,000
the world can you tell the 
stories of the 90s and the early

811
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,240
2000 Yankees, right, Which were 
by every definable term, a 

812
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,240
dynasty dynastic period? 
How could they, first of all, 

813
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,360
not only pet it, but how could 
the team itself not have greater

814
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,760
representation in the Hall of 
Fame? 

815
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Like I it's not congruent. 
I don't get it. 

816
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Because basically what they're 
doing is they're saying, well, 

817
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,680
you know, we know what you saw. 
We know what happened. 

818
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,560
But yeah, we don't really, we're
not going to really pay homage 

819
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,880
to it, which to me is the height
of disrespect and really the 

820
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,960
height of misrepresentation. 
Andy Pettit's a whole of Famer 

821
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,440
before Mike Busina. 
You kidding me? 

822
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,680
And and and that's always 
bothered me. 

823
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,760
And to be fair, I didn't always 
feel as strongly about this with

824
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Pettit. 
Like, I was always kind of like,

825
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,480
yeah, maybe, you know, the 
numbers aren't quite. 

826
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,160
But I was living under the 
antiquated mindset of what the 

827
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,280
benchmarks used to be for the 
Hall of Fame. 

828
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,600
I mean, if we're going to adjust
them up and down the board for 

829
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,080
everybody, Yeah. 
Pains. 

830
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,400
Come on it at Burp Light 11 
because sure, Don Sutton come on

831
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,120
in. 
Don Sutton was never once the 

832
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,680
best pitcher in baseball and 
look it up. 

833
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,400
Not once, all right, Nor was he 
the second or third. 

834
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,960
He just wasn't wasn't that kind 
of pitcher. 

835
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:06,280
He was somebody was built on on 
longevity and obviously, you 

836
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,280
know, had a had a really good 
statistical resume. 

837
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,760
Was he better than Andy Pettitte
at his job? 

838
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,560
I I don't where's the evidence? 
So now you go back to these 90s 

839
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Yankees and you've got Mariano 
who got 100% of the vote. 

840
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,680
You got Jeter who got 99 plus 
percent of the somehow didn't 

841
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,760
get 100%, which is laughable. 
But the lack of representation, 

842
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,640
you're not talking about two 
championships or 1 championship.

843
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,480
And then you get to another 
World Series. 

844
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,120
And then, you know, maybe 2-3 
years in a row you, you get to 

845
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080
the American League Championship
Series and you fall short like 

846
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,800
you're really good for, for, for
1/2 a decade and you have one 

847
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,320
World Series title to show Ford 
the Yankees. 

848
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Now, he wasn't really, you know,
quite as instrumental in this 

849
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,680
year in 95. 
But Yanks were a wild card team.

850
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,720
Yanks were a playoff team in 95.
They won the World Series in 96.

851
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,560
They won the World Series in 98,
you know, 97. 

852
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
If Alamore doesn't hit that home
run the other way against Moe, 

853
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,480
they're winning that. 
They didn't, but you know, they 

854
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,040
would have won the World Series 
in 97. 

855
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,440
I believe. 98 they win it. 99, 
they win it. 2000, they win it. 

856
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,560
2001, they go back, they lose at
a broken back base hit. 

857
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,760
And then in 2003, they lose to a
young Marlins team that just out

858
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,160
pitched them and outplayed them.
Like, I'm not here to make 

859
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,280
excuses. 
I'm just here to make sure that 

860
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,680
history doesn't get 
misrepresented, which it so 

861
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,320
clearly is. 
And like you think about any 

862
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,880
dynasty and it's not just 
petted, whether it's the Oakland

863
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,080
A's who won back-to-back to back
championships in the 70s with 

864
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,880
Chuck Finley, who was the 
despised owner, cheap. 

865
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,680
But think about some of the guys
on that team. 

866
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,560
You had Reggie, you had Catfish,
you had Raleigh Fingers, you had

867
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,800
Bando, Sal Bando. 
But you had a lot of great Gene,

868
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,840
I think, I think tennis was the 
catcher. 

869
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,600
Like, they had a really, really,
really good team. 

870
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,120
And I think that they should 
have more representation in the 

871
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Hall of Fame as well. 
So it's not just about Pettit. 

872
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,640
What about Bernie, Like, you 
want to talk about maybe. 

873
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,560
All right. 
And you do have to incorporate 

874
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,400
this into the conversation. 
I'm not trying to omit it 

875
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,120
entirely. 
I'm just telling you what it 

876
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,840
means to me and not just for 
him. 

877
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,240
So there's no Yankee bias 
because I told you, I put Bonds 

878
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,200
in Clemens. 
All these guys, Alex, right? 

879
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,280
They should be in now. 
How in the world does a switch 

880
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,400
hitting center fielder who hit 
for average hit for power? 

881
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,720
I, I always thought Bernie was 
an overrated defender. 

882
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,080
He could go get it. 
He had a pop. 

883
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,520
He had a Brandon Nimmo Armand 
center. 

884
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,560
He had no arm. 
He had a wet noodle for an arm. 

885
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,800
But Bernie was, you know, a high
contact, high average power when

886
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,960
everybody was juicing. 
And I could just assume that he 

887
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,160
wasn't right. 
And Ernie Williams, on his first

888
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:42,800
year of eligibility, got 9% of 
the vote and dropped off shortly

889
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,240
thereafter. 
What? 

890
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,400
How does that make any sense? 
The star center fielder who was 

891
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,720
in the middle of the batting 
order for championship after 

892
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:58,880
champion and big moment after 
big moment, Not even a modicum 

893
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,760
of respect in terms of possibly 
getting into the Hall of Fame. 

894
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,040
So these are problems that I 
have with the Hall of Fame. 

895
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,880
I'm really happy for Andrew 
Jones. 

896
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360
He he deserves it. 
I'm really happy for Carlos 

897
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,640
Beltran. 
He deserves it. 

898
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,720
Do not tell me that somebody 
like Pettit or Bernie that they 

899
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,080
didn't deserve at the very least
a whole hell of a lot more 

900
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,920
respect. 
And I believe in the case of 

901
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Pettit enshrinement and in the 
case of Bernie, flip a coin, you

902
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,840
know, and you listen. 
You want to even throw this 

903
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,520
further down the road, How about
Posada? 

904
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,760
Now, Posada wasn't the catcher 
on the first couple of the 

905
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,040
championships. 
You got to factor that in. 

906
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,800
That was Girardi and Girardi had
that big triple. 

907
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,320
I was at the game, the clincher 
96 against the Braves when he 

908
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,320
hit that ball at the center, 
which probably should have been 

909
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,400
caught. 
But he was the catcher early on 

910
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,680
for those first couple of the 
championships. 

911
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:51,040
But Jorge Posada got less than 5
percent, 5% and he fell off the 

912
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,560
of the ballot immediately. 
Switch hitting catcher power and

913
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,920
durable and a champion and the 
numbers are there. 

914
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,160
It's not like the guy was 
hitting thirteen home runs and 

915
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,440
I'm trying to well, you know, a 
lot of catchers didn't hit a lot

916
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,120
of home runs. 
This guy hit 15 and he won. 

917
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Put him in. 
Look at his numbers and he had 

918
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,600
seasons where his OPS was 
8887910. 

919
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,600
I just don't understand the lack
of rhyme or reason when it comes

920
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,160
to the Hall of Fame. 
So I'm confused. 

921
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,440
I'm bothered by it. 
You know, I guess that's the 

922
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,120
saying goes, you can't fight 
City Hall because nothing's 

923
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,400
changing. 
It's only getting worse. 

924
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,880
Like there's an overcorrection 
with certain things and there's 

925
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,360
a complete ignoring of other 
things that I can say and I just

926
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,080
did are more pertinent than the 
things that they're now choosing

927
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,920
to elevate and illuminate it. 
It's insane. 

928
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Like imagine guys, here's a 
better way to look at it, right?

929
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:48,720
Look at it this way. 
So imagine depending upon how 

930
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,800
old you are to a relative. 
So for me, take the 50's, the 

931
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,840
60s and the 70s, right? 
Baseball I did not see. 

932
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,600
And then obviously everything 
before that, right? 

933
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,520
And you're a fan of your team, 
right? 

934
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,360
You could be, you could be a Red
Sox fan, you could be a Yankee 

935
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,360
fan, be a Mets fan, be an Oriole
fan, be a Philly fan. 

936
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,200
Any fan. 
Doesn't matter. 

937
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,760
It's not just New York specific.
Right? 

938
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:16,800
And your team in a span of 5-6 
years won four championships and

939
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,800
your 3 or 4 hitter is nowhere 
near the Hall of Fame. 

940
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,640
And he wasn't like injury prone.
It wasn't overrated. 

941
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,600
He didn't hit 7th. 
Like it just doesn't make sense.

942
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:33,240
And it's getting worse. 
I mean, it really, really is at 

943
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,240
the DNY Cest. 
What up, man? 

944
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Posada was the greatest 
switching and catcher of all 

945
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,160
time until Cal Rowley. 
Comparable numbers to other Hall

946
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,440
of Fame catchers. 
Yeah, that's true. 

947
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,480
I mean, I I don't I don't 
understand what what is now a 

948
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,840
point of emphasis? 
What is being marginalized? 

949
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,840
What is being overstated? 
What is being. 

950
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,960
You know, I I I don't, I don't, 
I don't know. 

951
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,800
All I know is what I've seen and
it's not the Yankees won two and

952
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,560
like we're trying to stretch 
these boundaries. 

953
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,720
I'm not even saying put Tino in.
I'm not like I even I've got my 

954
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,640
line of delineation. 
Although when you know, and he's

955
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,720
not a Hall of Famer and I'm not 
going to make an argument that 

956
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,920
he should be. 
But just like pragmatically, 

957
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,400
again, if you take that example 
of any team that you root for, 

958
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,720
if they had a treasure chest of 
championships and you're power 

959
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,080
hitting first baseman. 
I know that fielder played in 96

960
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,720
out in Atlanta with no DHI get 
that. 

961
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,600
But Tino was in the middle of 
everything. 

962
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,080
I mean, mostly everything and 
and like, you don't even hear 

963
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,360
his name it. 
It really is incredible to me. 

964
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,160
It's bothersome. 
So they got to get their act 

965
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,760
together, but they're not going 
to what are they going to do? 

966
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,600
They're going to get they're 
going to finally figure this out

967
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,520
and finally, finally switch it 
up. 

968
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Hey, let me get Jay Rod in for a
SEC. 

969
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Jay. 
Rod, you still awake there, 

970
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,160
buddy? 
How you doing? 

971
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,800
Jay, what's up? 
How's it going? 

972
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Everything. 
We're going to hit you with the 

973
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,840
quiz pretty soon. 
So all right, I'm getting 

974
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,520
prepared. 
Well, I mean relation should 

975
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,600
have already occurred. 
It should have been years ago. 

976
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,840
Years in the making. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

977
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Exactly because like when you 
tell me I'm getting prepared, 

978
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,840
that implies that as I'm getting
ready to jump into this, you 

979
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,080
might not be fully ready. 
Now I'm actually hoping that you

980
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,480
either get them all right. 
Am I all right? 

981
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,600
Look at this. 
The boy won the we get them all 

982
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,880
wrong. 
So I can mock you when we get 

983
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,280
out. 
Like to me, somewhere in between

984
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,600
is not what we're looking for. 
By the way, let me let. 

985
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,720
Me pop this guy real quick. 
Let's go Mets. 

986
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:18,840
I'm going to get to the Mets in 
a bit. 

987
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Obviously, Louise Robert, I'm 
going to get to the Mets. 

988
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:22,560
Michette's going to be 
introduced today. 

989
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,680
Samuel Lambdash 2D2 S Appreciate
the pop there, buddy. 

990
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,280
Thank you very much. 
All right, so before I get to 

991
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,720
the quiz and let me find the 
quiz. 

992
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,680
And it's not incredibly hard, 
although for you it could be. 

993
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,000
What is your definition of Hall 
of Famer? 

994
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,080
You're a lot younger. 
You know, you process these 

995
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,680
things differently, new 
generation when you especially 

996
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,920
baseball, football's different. 
It's it's because the way the 

997
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,600
football situation for those who
don't know, very quickly, 

998
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,160
basically, you know, you get the
finalist and then you get 

999
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,840
somebody who's your champion, 
whether it's a beat writer, 

1000
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,680
somebody who covered you. 
You go in a room and you 

1001
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,600
basically make a case like Gary 
Myers has done that for Tiki. 

1002
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,000
I think he did it for Eli as 
well. 

1003
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,400
And then you basically try to 
convince and Eli is going to be 

1004
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,520
easier than than Tiki, even 
though I think Tiki should and 

1005
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,240
will eventually get in. 
You've got to basically espouse 

1006
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:13,400
the virtues of that player and 
get the group to vote on it. 

1007
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Like it's very different than 
casting a ballot it seems. 

1008
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,840
Yeah, it's like Survivor, like 
it's kind of. 

1009
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,360
Tribal. 
A little bit. 

1010
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,800
It is a little tribal. 
That's true. 

1011
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,000
That's true. 
So what is your definition of a 

1012
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,360
Baseball Hall of Fame? 
I mean, for Baseball Hall of 

1013
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Fame, let's say definition got 
to be statistically, you know, 

1014
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,960
significant as well as I'd say 
cultural impact. 

1015
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,440
I think is, is pretty important 
in terms of like, you know, the 

1016
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,120
impact you left on the game, the
impact you left on fans for your

1017
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,280
name. 
I think not name 

1018
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,720
recognizability, although you 
know, for me, I guess I'd play a

1019
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,040
bit of a part. 
But I think, you know, having 

1020
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,240
having people being able to 
vouch for, OK, this person 

1021
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,720
impacted the game. 
Fans can sort of see 

1022
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,160
statistically, you know, the 
championships line up, OK, All 

1023
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,480
Stars line up, and I think 
that's kind of the definition of

1024
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,520
a Hall of Famer. 
I think that's a good job. 

1025
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,800
I think you laid that out pretty
well. 

1026
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,880
You had a couple of different 
bullet points that that I would 

1027
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,760
have been and I do incorporate 
as well. 

1028
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,720
All right, So before we get to 
the quiz, let me let me ask you 

1029
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,480
this just to kind of, you know, 
thread it a little deeper and 

1030
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,320
get a little more specific. 
Do you do you place more value 

1031
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,200
in somebody who plays a long 
time and you know, eventually 

1032
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,600
gets to either, you know, 
surpasses the threshold of wins 

1033
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,160
or hits, whatever it might be 
benchmarks, home runs. 

1034
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,440
But most of the career was never
one of the best players clearly 

1035
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,480
in the game or somebody like a 
Mattingly or an Albert Bell or 

1036
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,520
others that I could Bernard King
for the next time, though, he is

1037
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,920
in the Hall of Fame. 
Guys like that that that were 

1038
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,120
clearly, indisputably one of the
two or three best in the game 

1039
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,760
during their prime years. 
But injury or circumstance wiped

1040
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,320
out the back end and the stats 
in totality aren't fully there. 

1041
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,320
What's more important? 
To you. 

1042
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,400
Yeah, Well, it's interesting. 
I mean, I think I think you 

1043
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,400
obviously need a combination of 
both. 

1044
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,640
You know, obviously a time where
you were kind of at a bit of 

1045
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,240
like a peak statistically within
the league, but also you 

1046
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,880
continued that over, you know, a
long period of time. 

1047
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,920
I think when you compare it to 
like an NBA, you look at like a 

1048
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Derrick Rose kind of situation 
where you're going, OK, is he a 

1049
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,720
Hall of Famer because of like 
his small, his small period of 

1050
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,040
greatness? 
And for me, I think I would 

1051
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,520
still, I mean, especially in the
Basketball Hall of Fame, you'd 

1052
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,880
obviously give it to him. 
I think, you know, based on 

1053
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,280
other criteria, potentially not.
But I'd say when you're defining

1054
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,600
a true Hall of Fame career and 
what makes it recognizable and 

1055
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,400
memorable, I think that 
longevity does play a massive 

1056
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,600
part in it. 
OK, I, I would rather like to me

1057
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,920
somebody like Baines, who was a 
a perfect encapsulation of the 

1058
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,480
longevity. 
I mean, I, I saw basically his 

1059
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,480
entire career and and not once 
was Harold Baines ever even 

1060
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,840
remotely close to being one of 
the best players of the game. 

1061
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,840
Like, guys that when I think of 
Baines's, you know, when he came

1062
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,840
up and then early into his 
prime, you got guys like 

1063
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,320
Mattingly and Brett and Ricky 
Henderson and Mike Schmidt still

1064
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,080
do his thing at third base. 
Gary Carter, even before he came

1065
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,960
to the Mets with the Expos like 
Cal Ripken, Ozzie Smith at 

1066
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,400
shortstop is one of the best 
defensive players of all time. 

1067
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,040
You know, Dale Murphy for a 
couple of years, back-to-back 

1068
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,400
MVPS, guys like that. 
So I listen ideally, yeah, both.

1069
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,520
I mean, you know, you have 3000 
knocks or 500 bombs where you 

1070
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,120
hit 3 100 and you win an MVP or 
two and you're a 10 or 11 or a 

1071
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,960
twelve time All Star. 
But if given the choice, 

1072
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,480
somebody like Mattingly or 
somebody like Bernard King or 

1073
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,280
even Albert Bell versus somebody
like a Baines type that just, 

1074
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,320
you know, accrued a ton of stats
but really never distinguished 

1075
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,440
himself at that high level or 
the highest of level, I would go

1076
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,920
for the former rather than the 
latter. 

1077
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,080
But that's a personal 
preference. 

1078
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,400
All right, good job. 
So at least everybody knows that

1079
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,360
you're intelligent. 
You, you put out that vibe. 

1080
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,240
He speaks clearly, he speaks 
coherently, he formulates 

1081
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,560
thoughts. 
Well, now's the real test here. 

1082
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Now's the real test. 
OK, right. 

1083
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,120
And the reason I'm going to do 
this, if you guys missed 

1084
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,680
yesterday's show and it's it's 
obviously up on the YouTube page

1085
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,400
there. 
What, unknowingly like he wasn't

1086
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,200
trying to be offensive, wasn't 
trying to be rude, wouldn't try 

1087
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,600
to be disrespectful. 
I mentioned Matty Lee's name, as

1088
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,800
I will do often. 
Anytime I can assert Matty Lee's

1089
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,360
name into anything, you're going
to hear it, trust me. 

1090
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,360
And as you can tell by the 
jersey behind me. 

1091
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,440
And he said something flippantly
like mad. 

1092
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,880
Who's that? 
Or Mattingly? 

1093
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,720
What I. 
Said whoever it is, whoever it 

1094
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,360
is, it was bad. 
I mean, someone made the comment

1095
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,280
about the Carmine thing. 
I went back, watched that scene.

1096
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,960
It was legitimately the same 
exact kind of thing. 

1097
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,720
It was hilarious. 
That was a great text, the 

1098
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,880
Carmine, little Carmine 
reference when they get 

1099
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,360
everybody together and oh man, 
and Tony flips out on him for 

1100
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,400
saying what he said. 
Very similar. 

1101
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,920
I like. 
By the way, have you seen every 

1102
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,280
Sopranos you jumped? 
Into it multiple. 

1103
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,200
Times you really huge Sopranos 
fan. 

1104
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,480
We could get into that good. 
Even if you bomb on this, what 

1105
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,840
you're going to your your 
affinity for Sopranos is a great

1106
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,120
thing. 
Are you a Rocky fan? 

1107
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,400
All right, I've seen the first 
one years ago, but I've got a 

1108
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,880
refresher. 
It was it was like a childhood, 

1109
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,280
me and my dad kind of movie. 
All right, that that's 

1110
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,920
acceptable. 
You ready for the quiz here? 

1111
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,840
Yes, Sir, all. 
Right, so basically and and I, 

1112
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,320
I, I, I'm going to look at them 
right now. 

1113
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,640
I got the I got four, I got 5 
for you. 

1114
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,480
I think you'll get the 1st 
15050. 

1115
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,240
Next one you get wrong. 
Next one you get wrong. 

1116
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,000
Next one's true or false, you 
got a chance and then the next 

1117
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,320
one will be you're going to get 
it wrong. 

1118
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,960
I I don't, I think you get one 
right. 

1119
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,560
Try me. 
Try me. 

1120
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,680
Give it a game show, music let. 
Me, see, do we have that? 

1121
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,880
Who the hell? 
He's the producer? 

1122
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,280
The Jelly Show. 
There we go. 

1123
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Real extensive negotiation after
a real extensive conversation in

1124
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,280
pursuit of the proper person for
this show. 

1125
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,800
J Rod has distinguished himself 
and he is the producer, folks. 

1126
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,440
So with that mind and let's 
welcome him to the show. 

1127
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,640
J Rod Hey, buddy. 
How? 

1128
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,160
Are you great? 
Great. 

1129
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,560
All right, so J Rod, I've got a 
series of five questions for you

1130
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:32,080
to prove your your understanding
of me and what is important to 

1131
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,400
me. 
Are you ready for the first 

1132
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,040
question? 
Let's go drop it. 

1133
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,800
All right, what where where did 
Patrick Ewing go to school? 

1134
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,120
What university did Georgetown? 
All right, that was the one that

1135
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,680
we're going to lay it up a 
little 2 foot putt, 2 foot putt.

1136
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,680
Now this is the way you should 
start playing golf. 

1137
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,120
We're going to go from the green
backwards. 

1138
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,960
It's going to get tougher and 
eventually you're going to be in

1139
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,480
the rough like this is a little 
tap in, tap it in, tap a Roo one

1140
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,480
for one. 
There you go. 

1141
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,640
No #2 All right, Prior to being 
traded to the Yankees, I believe

1142
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:04,640
you're going to get this one 
wrong. 

1143
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Paul O'Neill played for what? 
Team All right, listen, just so 

1144
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,440
you know, not looking at 
anything up. 

1145
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,400
Got the hands up. 
All right, let's throw 

1146
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,000
athletics. 
OK, that is, I was wrong. 

1147
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,920
He was on the Cincinnati Reds. 
He was part of the Roberto Kelly

1148
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,000
trade. 
Now, to be fair, you know, I 

1149
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,120
don't really think that you 
shouldn't necessarily know that.

1150
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,360
You know, I mean, that that's, 
that's a long time ago. 

1151
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,960
That was in the early 90s. 
And but you got it wrong #3 you 

1152
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,600
know, he's one of my favorites. 
Everybody does. 

1153
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,120
What borough is Chris Mullen 
from? 

1154
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,680
Oh man. 
Like like Warriors player Chris 

1155
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,800
Mullen. 
Well, you could also say St. 

1156
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,240
John's player, which is OK, but 
you I got it dream team Chris 

1157
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,520
Mullen. 
You could say Pacers Chris 

1158
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,240
Mullen you could say St. 
John's coat You can say anything

1159
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:58,520
about Chris Mullen. 
What borough is Mulley from all?

1160
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,560
Right. 
What's he from Brooklyn? 

1161
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,160
Yes, let's go. 
In the house. 

1162
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,240
In the house. 
BK stand up. 

1163
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,360
Wow. 
All right, buddy, 2 for three is

1164
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,360
going to keep his job here. 
True or false? 

1165
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,800
Actually, if he gets a couple 
more, he might get a raised. 

1166
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,960
Forget about. 
Just keep his job. 

1167
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,000
Just kidding. 
True or false? 

1168
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,640
Mark Jackson was the last Knick 
to win the Rookie of the Year 

1169
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,600
award. 
You're a basketball guy. 

1170
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,200
It's a lot. 
It's a lot of years ago, Mark 

1171
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,680
Jackson was the last rookie of 
the year for the Knicks. 

1172
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:42,280
True or false? 
I'm going to say false. 

1173
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,720
OK. 
But then my aunt, do you have an

1174
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:47,920
answer now if you're going to 
say because yeah, yeah. 

1175
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,440
I'm trying to think of who it 
would be. 

1176
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,840
I mean, obviously not Porzingis.
I don't think. 

1177
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,880
Yeah, go back. 
Going to throw out a crazy. 

1178
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:57,560
Answer. 
Go backwards. 

1179
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,840
No, you're on the right track. 
Go backwards. 

1180
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,520
You thought processes right I 
mean. 

1181
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,480
It could. 
I don't think it's Marbury. 

1182
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,160
I'm, I mean, my thought would 
maybe be Spreewell Latrell's. 

1183
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,840
Remember, he was in a trade. 
Spreewell was in a trade. 

1184
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,320
You're going to take the L on 
this one I'm taking. 

1185
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,520
The L I'm taking the L. 
All right, so we're going to go 

1186
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,040
with the answer is true, 
obviously. 

1187
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,400
And by the way, like I knew 
this, I obviously knew it was 

1188
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,560
Mark in 87 because he's one of 
my old time favorite players. 

1189
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,080
I didn't realize how few they 
had. 

1190
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,960
So Mark Jackson won it in 8789, 
8788. 

1191
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Ewing wanted couple of years 
before that, 8586. 

1192
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,680
Prior to that it was Willis Reed
in 6465 S The Knicks have only 

1193
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,920
had three Rookie of the Year. 
So you got the first one right, 

1194
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,680
you got the second one wrong 
with the O'Neal and the Reds, 

1195
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,520
you got the third one right. 
You got the 4th one wrong, all 

1196
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,880
right. 
This one has options. 

1197
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,120
It's not quite multiple choice, 
but there are there are there 

1198
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,440
are three or four teams that you
can select here, even if you 

1199
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,160
guess the odds are better than 
the O'Neal one, because that was

1200
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,080
one team. 
You ready? 

1201
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,560
All right, so besides the 
Yankees, name one other team 

1202
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,120
that Joe Torry managed besides 
the Yankees. 

1203
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,800
If you get this wrong, your pops
is going to be pissed. 

1204
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,080
I can tell you. 
Dad's going to be mad. 

1205
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,400
The Sox? 
No, no, not because of that. 

1206
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,840
I'm. 
You know what that was? 

1207
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,320
That was a misleading. 
I just know he's a baseball guy.

1208
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,680
So I'm gonna strike. 
It's not the red. 

1209
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,880
I'm gonna strike that from the 
record. 

1210
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,680
All right. 
I'm gonna go Phillies. 

1211
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880
No. 
So we went 2 for five, which 

1212
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,720
quite frankly is a little bit 
better than I thought. 

1213
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,280
We got a bonus question though 
for you all. 

1214
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,080
Right, there we go. 
How many glove? 

1215
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,760
How many Gold Gloves did Don 
Mattingly win? 

1216
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,840
The all time number for a first 
baseman is 11. 

1217
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,880
That's Keith Hernandez and 
Donnie would have had more or at

1218
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,480
least as many and Keith was 
better, but he would have, he 

1219
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,080
would have gotten there if he 
didn't get hurt. 

1220
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,280
All right, How many? 
He won A lot. 

1221
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,400
So I'll give you a little bit of
a hint. 

1222
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,880
Keith, the most ever by a first 
baseman, Mattingly's number was 

1223
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,120
what if you get within one? 
If you get within one, we'll 

1224
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,720
give you a bonus. 
We'll go 8. 

1225
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,440
We'll give you we end up on a 
high note there. 

1226
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,840
Had a boy there. 
You go. 

1227
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,480
Alright, alright, Jared did it. 
Seem like a high number there. 

1228
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,880
You go. 
There you go. 

1229
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,600
You get to stay on the show, you
pass the quiz. 

1230
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,920
Good work. 
Everybody give it up for Jay. 

1231
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,760
Ron, I'm a little worried about.
Thank you very much. 

1232
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,800
A little worried about that. 
I mean, the Patrick Ewing one 

1233
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,640
was a layup, but I'm glad you 
started me off with an easy one 

1234
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,880
that I knew I was just gonna. 
Yeah, listen. 

1235
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,320
I mean, I'm here to try. 
Listen, you were here to make me

1236
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,560
look good. 
I'm here to make you look good. 

1237
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,800
I'm not here to make you look 
bad because if you look bad, I 

1238
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,720
look bad. 
You're an extension to the show,

1239
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,160
brother. 
All right good job J Rod. 

1240
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,600
I appreciate that and let me get
to the Metsies here by the way, 

1241
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,640
keep those comments in coming in
the the Giants press conference 

1242
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,240
obviously started with that with
John horrible phenomenal did a 

1243
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,520
great job really impressive 
happy for the Giants for Mr. 

1244
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,120
Mara, happy for the fans really 
good day obviously touched on 

1245
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,200
some Hall of Fame stuff and let 
me get to the Mets here. 

1246
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,080
So where I just wanted to look 
one thing up here. 

1247
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,240
Where is it there? 
All right, so listen. 

1248
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,520
I don't need notes for this. 
I think the Mets have had this 

1249
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,080
particular aspect. 
I think the Mets have had a 

1250
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,840
really good offseason. 
I've said that it's coming 

1251
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,040
together and I didn't like tell 
you guys what are the things 

1252
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,840
that that I really try not to 
do? 

1253
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,120
Not that I never do it. 
Of course, I'm human. 

1254
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,360
I make this mistake as well, but
to me, it's largely wasted 

1255
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,280
energy reacting definitively to 
something that is not yet 

1256
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,440
complete. 
Like, why am I going to give you

1257
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,280
my ultimate reaction of 
Stearns's offseason going back a

1258
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,120
week ago or a month ago when 
players started getting dealt 

1259
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,240
and started playing, players 
started leaving. 

1260
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,320
Like, why would I do that? 
Like, to me, I got to let it go.

1261
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,320
That doesn't mean that you 
should have a reaction when Pete

1262
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,360
signs with Baltimore. 
I'm, I'm not saying that, but 

1263
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,120
the, the next step from there 
was he's not going to do 

1264
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,320
anything. 
Oh, Cohen just wanted amazing 

1265
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,080
park, whatever it's called, a 
Metropol Metropolitan Park. 

1266
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,280
And he's all about the casinos. 
And look what he did. 

1267
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,840
He pulled the rug and the wool 
underneath our eyes and it's all

1268
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,480
a bunch of nonsense. 
And here we go. 

1269
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,200
Wilpot is going to be cheap. 
Like some of the things that 

1270
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,640
were being said about the Mets, 
to me were just grossly missing 

1271
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,520
the mark. 
And I thought it was time to get

1272
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,920
rid of Nemo. 
I thought it was time to get rid

1273
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,400
of Pete. 
Now you really wish you had Diaz

1274
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,560
now, especially with some of 
these reinforcements you brought

1275
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,600
in. 
And I said the same thing, like,

1276
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,480
all right, I think the Mets 
missed that, messed that one up 

1277
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,600
for the amount of $3,000,000 / 3
years for Diaz, who's one of the

1278
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,280
top 2 closers in the game. 
They messed that up. 

1279
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,320
But not everybody's perfect in 
totality. 

1280
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,360
I think Stearns, as I get that. 
Now to the Louise Robert move, 

1281
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,160
Michette with the press 
conference, the introduction 

1282
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,640
today. 
I think that Stearns, I have my 

1283
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,760
thing there a little bit, set a 
really good offseason. 

1284
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:44,600
Now, the, the Louise Robert move
to me is a move that had to be 

1285
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,320
made on a couple of levels #1 
with him coming in, and I 

1286
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,600
understand he strike out a lot. 
It's been a little injury prone.

1287
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,240
The average has inexplicably 
sunk and his production sunk. 

1288
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:57,880
I think there's life in his 
back. 

1289
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,120
I know he's a great fielder. 
I know he can run. 

1290
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,480
So there's tools there. 
And it's a, it's a short 

1291
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,000
commitment. 
The next year is a buyout for, I

1292
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,840
think 5 or $6 million. 
You come in and what you're 

1293
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,160
doing. 
This is what many of you fail to

1294
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,720
understand, that I don't get it.
Well, I do, but you need to move

1295
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,520
past this. 
I think a lot of the confusion 

1296
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,640
or the anger or the displeasure 
Stearns is doing, it's been 

1297
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,720
rooted in emotion. 
And as I've said on previous 

1298
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,680
pods, I do understand that 
because I'm emotional, you know,

1299
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,920
And if like, if the Yankees 
would have moved on for 

1300
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,840
Mattingly or even like, if the 
Knicks traded Jalen Brunson, 

1301
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,040
like this mess that they're in 
it, they're like, well, we could

1302
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,480
get better by trading Jalen. 
Like, I'd lose it because 

1303
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,160
Jalen's not the problem. 
He's more the answer. 

1304
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,920
So I understand that connection,
that sentimentality. 

1305
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,600
I always have it. 
I always will, however, 

1306
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,280
understand what the Mets are 
doing here. 

1307
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,840
The Mets are giving you as a fan
the chance to have a very, very 

1308
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,240
enjoyable summer and a very 
enjoyable season while sibled 

1309
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,640
competitive, while 
simultaneously they are buying 

1310
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,760
time to figure out what they 
have with some of these other 

1311
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,160
players, whether it's a bench, 
whether it's a Jet Williams, the

1312
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,000
young pitchers obviously sprout 
and Tom Mclean's different 

1313
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,760
level. 
He's the man. 

1314
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,440
I think he's great. 
One of those players going to 

1315
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,880
get dealt either you would think
for Peralta or for three school,

1316
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,920
but whatever. 
But I, I just, I think that the 

1317
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,400
Mets, if imagine if they would 
have been, and I think some of 

1318
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,200
you thought that they were going
to do this, that they were going

1319
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,640
to actually enter the season 
with like, I don't know, Benjen 

1320
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,160
center and or, or Tyrod Taylor 
in center and Benjen left. 

1321
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,920
Like now you give the young 
player a chance to kind of ease 

1322
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,520
into it. 
And if, listen, if he flashes 

1323
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,280
during the spring, I think the 
Mets are going to give him a 

1324
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,600
chance to make this team. 
I think you might see a little 

1325
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,080
bit of Brett Beatty out in left 
field, which I'm open to. 

1326
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,680
He's not going to look like Todd
Hundley. 

1327
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,560
I can promise you that. 
And he's not going to look like 

1328
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,120
Mike Piazza trying to play first
base. 

1329
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,920
He's a good athlete. 
He'll be fine. 

1330
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,560
I mean, the very least he'll be 
average. 

1331
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,320
And I, I would think with some 
reps and he's going to have a 

1332
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,520
much better arm than Nimo. 
So I think that that's an 

1333
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,240
option. 
And you look at, you know, 

1334
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,080
whether it's a Polanco, whether 
it's a Bichette, whether it's a 

1335
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,240
Louise Robert, you know, 
Lindoor, you know, obviously 

1336
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,400
Soto, like, you know, you've 
got, you've got 5 or 6 hitters 

1337
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,920
like out of the shoot that are 
going to give the Mets a chance 

1338
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:14,720
to put some runs up every night.
Now the I still send some what's

1339
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,160
the right word? 
I still send some some fear, 

1340
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,240
some trepidation that you don't 
think that they're going to get 

1341
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,360
pitching. 
Do you actually think that 

1342
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,240
they're going to start the 
season with this pitching staff?

1343
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,000
There's no way. 
There's no way they're not going

1344
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,840
to have either a Peralta. 
I myself wouldn't sign Valdez 

1345
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,560
and I went through that one of 
the previous shows. 

1346
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,240
And then when you cross up a 
catcher, you're not a guy that I

1347
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,560
want on my team intentionally. 
Like it's one thing to I'd 

1348
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,760
rather you throw a glove in the 
stand like that dope did a 

1349
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,520
couple of years ago who they 
caught him forgetting his name. 

1350
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,000
Like I'd rather you have a 
moment where you lose a little 

1351
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,200
self-control. 
Not that I not that I like that,

1352
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:58,040
but to me, it's more acceptable 
than you as a competitor putting

1353
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,200
your teammate in harm's way 
willingly because there's 

1354
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,720
several checkpoints that need to
occur before you throw that 

1355
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,680
pitch. 
He thinks something soft is 

1356
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,880
coming is with Houston. 
Obviously he thinks something 

1357
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,800
soft is coming. 
You want leash A fastball, you 

1358
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,680
catch him off. 
I mean, if that hits him in the 

1359
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,360
neck or well, I mean, that's 
it's just it was really it was 

1360
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,480
unprofessional. 
Whereas you know, if you smash a

1361
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,360
bat or if you throw a helmet in 
the dugout, or even if you say 

1362
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,680
the wrong thing post game, like 
you really pissed off and 

1363
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,320
charged up after a bad start or 
after a bad game, or even if 

1364
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,080
you, you know, you, you, you go 
to throw your, your glove at the

1365
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,880
dugout and it goes into the 
stands. 

1366
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,640
Like that's just, and again, 
that's the wrong thing to do. 

1367
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,080
But at least in the moment to 
me, I can process that better 

1368
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,160
because like it was just a 
temporary respite from being in 

1369
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,800
control. 
And then that's something you 

1370
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,560
got to work on. 
But to to be on a mound 60 feet,

1371
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,760
6 inches away from somebody and 
understand that as a you're 

1372
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,880
about to deliver a pitch at 9394
and he's expecting 7374. 

1373
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,840
You're just not a guy that I 
want to go to battle with. 

1374
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,160
I don't trust you and and I 
don't respect you. 

1375
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,160
So I don't want the Mets to get 
Valdez. 

1376
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,360
And I hope that their 
desperation doesn't lead them to

1377
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,840
do that. 
To me, The better play with 

1378
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,360
Suarez, I think they missed on 
that. 

1379
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,200
Now, if you get Peralta, it's 
phenomenal. 

1380
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,360
I think Peralta is better than 
both of those guys for sure. 

1381
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,560
He's better than Suarez, better 
than Valdez, and then you couple

1382
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,880
in with Valdez some very shaky 
second-half stats, you know, 

1383
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,040
long term contract, little 
lackey character. 

1384
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,200
I'm just not feeling that. 
And I hope the Mets don't pivot 

1385
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,320
to him. 
But there's no way that the Mets

1386
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,160
are going to start the season 
with McClain is their ace, even 

1387
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,320
though he's got ace worthy stuff
and Manaya too, and Sanga 3 and 

1388
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,040
Clay Holmes 4 or Peterson 4, 
whatever configuration. 

1389
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,600
That's not going to do it. 
See what what the Mets? 

1390
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,560
And again, they're trying to 
thread this needle of being 

1391
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,760
competitive now. 
And when you roll out in 

1392
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,360
succession, Lindor, whose 
numbers will be there at the end

1393
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,000
of the year, he's going to be a 
little streaky as he always is, 

1394
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,760
but his numbers will be there. 
But Shet, who you're going to 

1395
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,760
absolutely love. 
Wish the Yankees would have 

1396
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:09,000
gotten them gamer high average 
clutch, you know, dirty uniform,

1397
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,880
scrappy big time hitter winner, 
you know, rises to the moment 

1398
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,240
Lindor Bichette Soto, who's 
going to be even more 

1399
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,200
comfortable year 2IN Queens like
Beltran, you would imagine. 

1400
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,840
And Beltran's year 1, he had 
sixteen home runs. 

1401
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,120
I mean, we're sitting here 
saying Soto had, you know, some 

1402
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,760
of you were saying he had a bad 
first year. 

1403
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,520
He had some bad stretches. 
He started poorly, but his 

1404
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,440
numbers were pretty damn good 
compared to Beltran. 

1405
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,920
I mean, it's not even close. 
But when he gets a Soto and you 

1406
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,080
know, I, I don't know who's 
going to hit 4th. 

1407
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,440
I mean, could it be a Polanco? 
Could it be a Robert? 

1408
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,240
I I I'm not really sure. 
But then you throw in the babies

1409
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,520
and you throw in the Alvarez's. 
You know, now you're cooking 

1410
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,840
here. 
Now you got a little something 

1411
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,960
where night tonight if you get 
decent story pitching something 

1412
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,160
the Mets could not buy most of 
last season, especially down the

1413
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,360
stretch the last couple of 
months. 

1414
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,320
I mean, you're getting 2 1/3 
three innings, 1 and 2 thirds 

1415
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,120
one inning from Tong. 
But what you what you can't do 

1416
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,360
right? 
And I and this I This is why I 

1417
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,240
know that the Mets aren't done 
with their with their moves 

1418
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,320
here. 
They're going to get a big time 

1419
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,160
pitcher. 
They might even get 2. 

1420
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,640
They might get a big time 
pitcher and then, you know, kind

1421
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,160
of a, whether it's a lower level
trade or a signing, there's not 

1422
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,920
many guys left, but somebody 
that you can throw that that's 

1423
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,520
made a lot of starts that's, you
know, thrown a lot of innings, 

1424
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,720
but you know, isn't a top of the
rotation guy. 

1425
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,840
But you can now protect somebody
like Tong and Sproat and throw 

1426
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,760
them out there when they're 
truly ready, unlike last year, 

1427
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,640
based on necessity and sheer 
desperation. 

1428
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,160
Throw them out there when they 
had no right being out there. 

1429
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,200
And I know each one of them 
flashed a little bit. 

1430
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:47,279
But you know, Tong was he just 
didn't look mentally ready that 

1431
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,600
game when he was, you know, he's
visibly crying. 

1432
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,120
He's still going through the 
process, man. 

1433
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,840
I think he's going to be good. 
But he wasn't ready and Stearns 

1434
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,279
knows that. 
So they're trying to thread this

1435
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,479
needle of going out there and, 
you know, trying to get a wild 

1436
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,200
card and gauging, you know, our 
what? 

1437
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,080
What is Benj about? 
What is Sproed about? 

1438
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,680
What is Tong about? 
Is McLean really what we think 

1439
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,960
he is? 
If they don't trade Beatty, can 

1440
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,200
he be a left fielder? 
Can he be a first baseman? 

1441
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,520
If they don't trade Vientos, All
right, who? 

1442
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,880
And I think that they should. 
I'd move on. 

1443
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,760
I'm not a big Vientos fan, but 
because you can't run a key to 

1444
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,960
that position and that's anti 
Stearns. 

1445
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,600
Like if you can't run and you 
can't play defense, you're not 

1446
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,960
going to be on Stearns team 
because all he talks about is 

1447
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,240
run prevention, which is 
interesting with the shed go to 

1448
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,319
third base, but I think you'll 
be fine there. 

1449
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,000
I think that's been overstated a
little bit. 

1450
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,240
If you can play shortstop and 
you can be in the middle of the 

1451
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,720
diamond at that level, you can 
move 15 feet to your left and 

1452
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,720
play second and you can move 
1520 feet to your right and play

1453
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,080
third. 
Eventually going to figure it 

1454
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,760
out. 
I know the arm strength is 

1455
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,880
average, sometimes a little bit 
below. 

1456
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,840
You know, he throws right around
80, 2.9 mph on competitive 

1457
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,640
plays, which obviously is not 
great. 

1458
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,400
I think it's 20 something in 
baseball that's on the lower 

1459
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,480
side. 
It's not optimal. 

1460
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,560
I get it. 
It's not Sean Dunstan, it's not 

1461
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,360
daily, daily cruise. 
It's not, you know, young Alex 

1462
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,120
Rodriguez or Ripken. 
He doesn't have that arm all 

1463
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,280
right, but you can make up that 
arm. 

1464
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,160
I think for a lack, a lack of a 
plus arm in preparation in 

1465
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,560
positioning, in getting rid of 
the ball fast. 

1466
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,400
There's going to be moments 
where you know he died and he's 

1467
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,240
got to get up and he got to 
throw that bullet. 

1468
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,320
You know, really maybe by the 
coaches boxing third base, he's 

1469
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,640
got you don't have any time to 
to really gather yourself and 

1470
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,000
you got to unleash it and you'll
see a throw that's average. 

1471
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,600
I'm not saying that that's not 
going to happen, but what he's 

1472
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,000
going to bring to the table 
overall is so much more of a 

1473
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,840
plus than a negative, especially
it's a short term deal, which it

1474
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,880
is. 
So I think they like Louise 

1475
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,920
Robert a year ago, you, you 
just, you cannot run somebody 

1476
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,640
like Tyrod Taylor out there 
every day. 

1477
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,720
You just can't have a center 
fielder who can't hit. 

1478
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,920
You know, he if he's your fourth
guy, it's phenomenal because 

1479
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,880
he's a great defensive player, 
that he's a gritty, grimy, good 

1480
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,760
clubhouse guy. 
So I, I, I do think that 

1481
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,640
they'll, I think the Mets going 
to be a lot more competitive 

1482
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,320
than I thought. 
Think about this like there was 

1483
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,400
a point before the Bichette move
where I'm sitting here saying, I

1484
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,440
said it on the show right now, 
75 win team. 

1485
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,480
It's one of the it's one of the 
weaker rosters in baseball. 

1486
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,880
You don't have, well, you have a
closer, but he's not what you 

1487
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,400
had. 
Your rotation's a mess until 

1488
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:19,160
further addressed and you know 
you got 2 reliable hitters in 

1489
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,600
terms of Lindor and Soto. 
Everything else is still to be 

1490
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,080
determined. 
Or, you know, you might do this 

1491
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,720
and you could do that and the 
contracts offered to this guy or

1492
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,240
this young player might be that 
that's not how you win. 

1493
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,880
But I think that you are going 
to at some point, maybe it 

1494
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,160
doesn't happen this year 'cause 
I still, I still need to see 

1495
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,880
them make the pitch. 
You might get the pitching. 

1496
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,560
I think at some point many of 
you are going to owe Stearns an 

1497
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,240
apology. 
I really believe that. 

1498
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,760
Now, whether or not you'll be 
man enough to actually make it 

1499
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,360
and come correct and raise your 
hand up and like you got you got

1500
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,840
to do that when you're wrong, 
you have to be. 

1501
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,080
And I'll do that on the show 
when I'm wrong. 

1502
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,960
I've always done that. 
Like I've always been 

1503
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,680
transparent, like I don't I 
don't have an opinion and then 

1504
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,680
pretend I never said it like a 
lot of people do. 

1505
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,880
I'm going to make mistakes and 
when you're confident and when 

1506
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,520
you are on air every day and 
when you are, when you present 

1507
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,800
things in a in a definitive way,
as I often do and you know, 

1508
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,320
you're going to miss the mark 
sometime. 

1509
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,760
So I if I expect me to be able 
to say, you know, a public 

1510
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,440
figure, I was wrong. 
You know, why can't you do it? 

1511
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,960
I think that you have to and I 
think that you will with David 

1512
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,160
Stearns. 
That's what I think is going to 

1513
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,000
happen there. 
Let me get a couple of these 

1514
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,120
tweets here. 
I got a little note on the 

1515
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:33,720
Johnny's game there. 
And by the way, you can play 

1516
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,120
Tyrod Taylor at left field like 
it doesn't work out with baby 

1517
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,760
and you want to have him out 
there a little bit or Benz 

1518
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,800
doesn't make the team. 
That's fine. 

1519
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,000
I, I think that it's, I think 
it's pretty good. 

1520
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,640
Let's see here. 
I just explained this at a 

1521
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,280
million Jays 3242, but Shet's 
the worst shortstop. 

1522
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,400
Why do you think you can play 
third base? 

1523
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,520
Well, number one, third base is 
easier #1 there's, I mean, I 

1524
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,680
don't understand how people 
don't understand this. 

1525
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,840
I don't. 
Now, it's one thing to say that 

1526
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:05,080
Bichette's going to go from an 
awful shortstop to Mike Schmidt 

1527
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,120
at third base. 
Nobody's sitting here saying 

1528
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,880
that. 
But if you don't think, and it's

1529
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,520
not a knock, this is the reality
of it. 

1530
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,160
If you don't think that he can 
become a functional third 

1531
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,000
baseman, you didn't play any 
baseball. 

1532
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,840
That's just, I'm not trying to 
talk down to you. 

1533
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,600
I didn't play the majors. 
But if you think that you just 

1534
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
didn't play baseball at a fairly
competitive level, because if 

1535
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,160
you know anything about big, 
like on the most rudimentary 

1536
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,960
level, the best athlete is 
always at shortstop. 

1537
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,400
The one who knows the game the 
most, the one who's generally 

1538
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,720
the quickest, one who's got the 
best hands. 

1539
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,320
From the time you're 678 years 
old, that's the kid who's 

1540
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,080
playing shortstop, and that's 
the dude who's playing shortstop

1541
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,120
in the bigs. 
Now, like everything, there's a 

1542
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,160
pecking order. 
You know, there's some guys who 

1543
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,240
are elite, there's some guys who
are average, and there's some 

1544
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,360
guys who suck. 
And you put up with it because 

1545
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,520
he's a masher. 
Well, but shit like to go to 

1546
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,160
third base guys, this is just, 
this is basic stuff. 

1547
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,920
I'm going to spend a lot of time
on it #1 you've got to worry 

1548
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,120
about less. 
You have to worry about going up

1549
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,240
the middle and in the hole. 
And it's just it's quick now. 

1550
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,000
It's a longer throw from third 
base and couple of bunts, 

1551
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,640
whatever, A couple of swinging 
bunts. 

1552
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,600
You got a lefty who throws in. 
That's why the Yankees getting 

1553
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,040
McMahon to play third base 
defensively, you like to see him

1554
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,000
not hit 210 and strike out every
night twice. 

1555
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,000
But at least from a defensive 
point of view, I think it was so

1556
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,320
important because you got freed,
you got rolled on, you got those

1557
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,720
lefties, those cut like those 
balls bearing in on the ankles 

1558
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,680
of of righties. 
They're going to bang that into 

1559
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,280
the ground. 
And you need somebody who's 

1560
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,120
competent at third base, but 
shit's going to catch the 

1561
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,600
baseball. 
I I just think he's been grossly

1562
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,400
overstated how bad he's going to
be a third base. 

1563
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,760
He's just not. 
And if he is, then I'll say, you

1564
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,040
know, all right, man, it was. 
I don't know what the hell 

1565
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,280
happened. 
We still gonna hit 290 with 30 

1566
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,320
something double s and 20 
something home runs. 

1567
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,480
And he's gonna be clutched. 
So you put up with it. 

1568
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:51,800
No doubt. 
You definitely put up with it. 

1569
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,200
How about a little Johnny's 
gritty win last night at Clr 

1570
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,360
8810? 
Yeah, it was. 

1571
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:58,960
Kate may appreciate that. 
Love the show. 

1572
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:59,920
I think you checked in 
yesterday. 

1573
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:01,960
Thank you very much. 
By the way, guys, as I, as I 

1574
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,360
told you, listen, we're building
this thing up. 

1575
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,800
It's pretty much I'd say when we
first started to going back to 

1576
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,720
the first show, if I was to give
you like a one to 10 scale based

1577
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,160
on the camera, based on the 
quality of the microphone, based

1578
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,320
on the background, based on the 
acoustics, based on the 

1579
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,960
lighting. 
I mean that first show was a one

1580
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,800
out of 10. 
It really was. 

1581
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,800
I was just, I just had a lot to 
say. 

1582
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,240
So I'm like, I'm starting the 
podcast here, as you can now 

1583
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,520
tell. 
The camera, we have an upgraded 

1584
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,280
camera. 
The microphones obviously been 

1585
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,600
taken care of. 
The graphics are much better 

1586
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,880
thanks to Jared J Rod's the 
producer and he's part of the 

1587
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,840
show now, which means we're 
going to start bringing some 

1588
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,440
guests in and and being able to 
do some other stuff. 

1589
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,080
I know he's working on some 
musical elements for the open, 

1590
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,760
for the closed, do some stuff 
there. 

1591
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,080
The phone number that, that's 
going to be the greatest 

1592
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,840
undertaking. 
As I've said many times, we've 

1593
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,360
got the phone number, but that's
a different interface and that's

1594
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,240
going to be more technical stuff
that that Jared and I have to 

1595
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,040
work out. 
It's not like, all right, we got

1596
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,160
the number popping in producers 
here, let's get the phones 

1597
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,600
going. 
It's a little deeper than that's

1598
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,840
a little trickier than that. 
It is doable and we're going to 

1599
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,880
do it. 
So that will come and then the 

1600
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,880
next thing we got to do is the 
studio redesign and I've got the

1601
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,040
the two logos that you guys know
about what is a little darker, 1

1602
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,360
is a little bit lighter. 
The matter fact, my guy just 

1603
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,720
texted me this morning, 
ironically, where he's got the 

1604
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,480
two samples and going to come 
over and we got to see exactly 

1605
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:26,440
where it's going to be in 
relation to the back wall there 

1606
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,360
in terms of it's going to be the
whole wall, but I mean the logo 

1607
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,200
so that I'm not obscuring it 
with my head, but it's still 

1608
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,560
visible in the camera shot. 
So there's a lot of things that 

1609
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,640
we got to do. 
But yeah, I mean, it's it, it 

1610
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,040
makes it fun, it makes it 
exciting. 

1611
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,640
Obviously you guys subscribe it,
like it, comment, get that 

1612
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,400
traction going. 
And just to finish the thought 

1613
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,880
on that tweet, it wasn't very 
gritty, very or text not tweet, 

1614
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:49,880
very gritty. 
St. 

1615
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,080
John's win. 
So we went. 

1616
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,360
I went to a restaurant in town 
last night. 

1617
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,080
My son, two of his buddies on 
his travel basketball team. 

1618
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:04,760
God, they got smoked last night.
And everybody, the dads, the 

1619
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,360
kids, all Seton Hall fans, 
right? 

1620
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,320
We're in Jersey to make sense, 
you know, and we're the St. 

1621
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,840
John's crew. 
And I wasn't working the game 

1622
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,120
last night. 
It's a couple of games I don't 

1623
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,480
work, they get Tariq or a former
player in there. 

1624
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,160
So I wasn't scheduled to do the 
game. 

1625
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,400
So I mean, we're we're watching 
this travel game and I'm saying,

1626
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,240
what is this thing over? 
You want to talk about non 

1627
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,080
competitive? 
This team was terrific. 

1628
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,240
We were down 19 to 3 and like we
got some players like this team 

1629
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,440
was just there. 
There's a you notice there's a 

1630
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,960
difference between young players
who play all year round in 

1631
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,800
basketball and then players who 
were pretty good at basketball 

1632
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,280
and love basketball but play two
other sports. 

1633
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,000
And that's what we were up 
against last night. 

1634
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,640
These kids were banging threes. 
These kids, soon as they got the

1635
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,720
ball, fast break, you know, good
spacing on the wing, a lot of 

1636
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,360
plays back door setting screens,
like talking rotations on 

1637
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,120
defense. 
They were good. 

1638
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,040
So I just couldn't wait to get 
to the restaurant, get myself a 

1639
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,400
beer and get myself something to
eat and watch Saint John Seton 

1640
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,560
Hall. 
And that would have been a 

1641
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,360
devastating loss for Saint 
John's, not in terms of the NCAA

1642
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,680
Tournament. 
Even if they would have lost, 

1643
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:08,960
these would have still gotten 
in. 

1644
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,960
But St. 
John's really put a lot of I 

1645
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,360
want to get one thing I'm 
looking for you put a lot of 

1646
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,120
work in to get themselves back 
into a very favorable spot. 

1647
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,080
Where is it in terms of the way 
they are perceived here by the 

1648
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,200
NCAA Tournament committee now? 
Last year they were two C. 

1649
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,560
They got bumped in the second 
round and it's my hope if they, 

1650
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,880
you know, if they continue to 
grow here that well, they won't 

1651
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,520
be 31 win team in a two seed. 
They're going to be better 

1652
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,040
prepared to actually advance 
deeper into the tournament. 

1653
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,400
And last night was the kind of 
game that would have really set 

1654
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,280
you back analytically because 
you know, they had the three 

1655
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,840
quad one Rd. wins, which really 
got them into top 25 net and 

1656
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,240
really brought them. 
I know that I think I said this 

1657
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,120
yesterday. 
There's this for those of you, 

1658
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,320
even if it's not Saint John's, 
want to check out your team. 

1659
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,080
There's this just Google bracket
matrix, right? 

1660
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:58,280
And it's basically a a database 
of all Lenardy, you know, all 

1661
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:03,760
the CBS palm, whatever that that
actually tracked this and put 

1662
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,360
out their seedings. 
And what they do is they kind of

1663
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,000
they aggregate it and then they 
they kind of have like a hybrid 

1664
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,080
and they give you an average 
seed for each of the teams that 

1665
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,480
they think is a tournament team 
right now. 

1666
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,520
And before Saint John's went on 
this run, they were clearly in, 

1667
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,800
but they were in the 8-9 game. 
And now I checked this morning, 

1668
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,080
I check everyday on a couple 
teams and they have now moved up

1669
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,160
to the second six seed. 
But if they would have lost last

1670
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:31,040
night, even with the 
back-to-back quad one Rd. wins 

1671
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,600
and then a 20 point beat down 
against Marquette and then 

1672
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,480
another quad one Rd. win, like 
because they, they flushed a few

1673
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,360
big wins down the chute early in
the season, they would have lost

1674
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,440
last night. 
And I think they would drop back

1675
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:45,520
to that 8-9 game, you know, and 
then you're one other bad loss 

1676
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,640
away from, you know, maybe 
something really going in the 

1677
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,160
wrong direction. 
So they just did not look good. 

1678
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,320
See, and I knew, see the, I saw 
that spread. 

1679
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,440
It was, it opened at like 12 and
it got bet down smartly, not 

1680
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,080
some Seton Hall money to 10 1/2.
I think it went off a 10 1/2 or 

1681
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,640
10. 
And I'm sitting there, you know,

1682
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,920
with the guys who I'm, I'm good 
friends with my my son's team 

1683
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,000
mates and I've coached with 
them. 

1684
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,880
Baseball great guys become 
really good friends, Seton Hall 

1685
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,080
fans. 
And I'm like, that spreads crazy

1686
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,280
like this is gonna be a street 
fight. 

1687
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:14,440
I got too much respect for 
Cheyenne Holloway and for that 

1688
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:16,640
program and how they fight and 
the rivalry. 

1689
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,000
Seton Hall's really own St. 
John's in the rivalry. 

1690
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:23,200
I think that I saw something. 
I think that they were 4 and 14.

1691
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,600
Is that right? 
I know they very rarely they won

1692
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,440
last year, but very rarely win 
in Newark. 

1693
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,760
Yeah, I think it was four wins 
in their last eighteen games 

1694
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,680
against Seton Hall. 
So I knew the spread was 

1695
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,160
ridiculous. 
I knew it would be a street 

1696
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,240
fight. 
I knew it would be tight. 

1697
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,160
And then St. 
John's fell behind. 

1698
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:43,320
They were down by like I want to
say, yeah, they were down 3832 

1699
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:44,800
with the hat. 
They were down 6. 

1700
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,040
And then Seton Hall rips off a 
nine O run to start the 

1701
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,600
second-half and I'm sitting 
there saying, you know, I'm 

1702
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,320
probably going to lose this 
game. 

1703
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,000
And it was a very deflating 
feeling because they had worked 

1704
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,640
so hard to get to a place that 
that really began to resem, 

1705
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,640
began to not fully began to 
resemble what many of us 

1706
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,160
thought. 
I mean, national commentary, 

1707
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:05,840
what St. 
John's will be this year. 

1708
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,000
And they just went bonkers, man.
They bunker down offensive 

1709
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,960
rebounds. 
They got 20 offensive rebounds. 

1710
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,640
Hopkins was doing his thing. 
Mitchell was playing well. 

1711
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,160
Dylan Darling had a massive 
steal and a couple of really big

1712
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,880
buckets. 
Sandon was very good down the 

1713
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,280
stretch, made some big plays 
there. 

1714
01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:23,840
And they really did it without 
Zubi having a vintage game. 

1715
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,240
Zubi had fouls and Zubi didn't 
play particularly well, missed a

1716
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,360
lot of shots and Ian Jackson did
nothing. 

1717
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,880
He was over three. 
I don't think he even scored a 

1718
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,000
point and he's been playing very
well. 

1719
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,560
So that shows you the depth of 
stage. 

1720
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,840
I'm like Dave, when they were 
taking the game back from set 

1721
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:43,920
hall, it was Hopkins, Darling, 
the Satin, Ruben Pray, Dylan 

1722
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,760
Mitchell. 
Like it wasn't Ian Jackson and 

1723
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,880
and and Zubi and some of the 
other players who play big 

1724
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,280
minutes. 
So really, really good win for 

1725
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,480
Saint John's. 
And I've got to go to Saint 

1726
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,720
John's today to film the right 
after this to film the Red Storm

1727
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,720
Report. 
So episode 3 already. 

1728
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,080
Good job there. 
Let's see. 

1729
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,120
Here. 
Let me pop in a few of these 

1730
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,400
myself. 
I got a little something on the 

1731
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,720
Johnnies. 
Yeah. 

1732
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,560
This would be a blast. 
Jerry Nelson, 1236. 

1733
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,080
What's up, Jer? 
Can't wait for you and Sal. 

1734
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,200
The show tomorrow with booty. 
Oh, yeah. 

1735
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,960
Oh, yeah. 
Boy, I would love the Yankees. 

1736
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,640
Do a little something before 
Sal's feeling himself on stage 

1737
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,720
tomorrow night. 
He's got to be feeling better 

1738
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,680
about the Mets than I feel about
the Yankees right now. 

1739
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,520
The Yankees haven't done 
anything. 

1740
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,080
And I'm just really, have you 
ever had I think about the 

1741
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,560
pursuit of a player like if and 
when and now that the Mets got 

1742
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,800
Louise Robert, I'm not worried 
about the Mets taking Bellinger.

1743
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,160
But I mean, you want to really 
make a power move, Jeez, go out 

1744
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:40,760
there, get Bellinger. 
You have an outfield, the 

1745
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,040
Bellinger, Louise, Robert and 
Soto. 

1746
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,560
I mean, you know, and if 
Polanco's not working out of 

1747
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,040
first base, you could put him at
first base. 

1748
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,520
Like I mean, that would be that 
would be and then you get a 

1749
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,000
pitcher. 
I mean, that would be a crazy 

1750
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,120
offseason by the Mets there. 
But like I'm almost I'm so so 

1751
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,400
turned off by the tone of the 
and not Bellinger, but just 

1752
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,160
Boris and the expectation for 
what I know it's his job, but 

1753
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,520
there's no reality really 
attached to the pursuit of a 

1754
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,240
seven-year deal. 
He's not that kind of player and

1755
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,360
he just he just he just hijacks 
every offseason here and not 

1756
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,080
just with the Yankees, but a lot
of clients here. 

1757
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,640
So whenever and I'm assuming 
Bellinger will sign with the 

1758
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,560
Yankees, maybe Toronto, but I'm 
going to say the Yankees, as 

1759
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,760
I've said all along. 
But like, I'm not going to go 

1760
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:23,760
nuts. 
It's not going to be some 

1761
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,040
euphoric explosion. 
Like, wow, Yankees got 

1762
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,880
Bellinger. 
It's going to be OK. 

1763
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,720
So you retained what you had a 
year ago. 

1764
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,160
What's next? 
Really what's next there now? 

1765
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:33,720
But have a good time tomorrow. 
Looking forward to it. 

1766
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,560
Looking forward to seeing Boone.
Haven't seen Boone since. 

1767
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,800
Talked to him a few times 
Haven't seen him since Let me 

1768
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:41,920
see. 
I saw him on opening day. 

1769
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,360
We did our show out there. 
What else, What else? 

1770
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,840
What else I don't know. 
We did. 

1771
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,240
I saw him there. 
I think I saw him. 

1772
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,320
Oh, I saw him over the summer 
when by the Little League in 

1773
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,760
town went to Yankee Stadium. 
I saw him briefly there. 

1774
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,880
Kids get to walk along the the 
the dirt track, the warning 

1775
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,560
track, the outfield. 
And I was able to text him. 

1776
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,760
I said, hey, you know, I I know 
you're busy before the game. 

1777
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,400
If you can pop out and you want 
to say hi to the kids and he's 

1778
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,280
like he did it and that's the 
kind of stand up guy booted. 

1779
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,200
So looking forward to that. 
Looking forward to seeing Sal 

1780
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,960
for sure. 
And we'll have a good time. 

1781
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,080
Man. 
It'll be a lot of fun. 

1782
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,880
That is tomorrow night in at the
Vogel Theater in River in Red 

1783
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,560
Bank. 
It's just going to be is we've 

1784
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,120
never done this before. 
I mean, my wife is putting 

1785
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,200
overtime on this, but 
sponsorship and my guy more 

1786
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,640
Tucci first for wait to see and 
wait to hear more Tucci's 

1787
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,800
rendition of New York NY for 
snot. 

1788
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:32,880
That's how we're going to start 
the show. 

1789
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,640
It's going to be great. 
Going to be absolutely a blast. 

1790
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,200
Really looking forward to that. 
How about this one? 

1791
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:43,440
Yeah, a little pitching here at 
Avery Summit Dash U1R Yanks and 

1792
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,840
Mets both both take a flyer on 
Zach Allen. 

1793
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:47,680
Yeah, he's fine. 
I I like him. 

1794
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:51,480
I don't love him. 
But yeah, I think the Mets more 

1795
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:52,840
than the. 
I don't think the Yankees need 

1796
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,040
Zach Allen. 
I think the Mets need, you know,

1797
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,600
Zach Allen and somebody else, 
ideally from a pitching 

1798
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,080
perspective. 
Like, that's the one thing I'm 

1799
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,440
not worried about the Yankees 
pitching. 

1800
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,240
I know it's a little bit of a 
risk here and a little bit of a 

1801
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,600
leap of faith that everything's 
going to work out favorably here

1802
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,760
that, you know, Gary Cole comes 
back healthy, Rodon comes back 

1803
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,440
healthy. 
Schlittler's the same guy. 

1804
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,880
Clark Schmidt eventually comes 
back and is healthy. 

1805
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,840
Max Freed year 2 is as good as 
year one, maybe even hopefully a

1806
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,200
little bit better when he had 
that bad month or that that 

1807
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,440
those bad 5 starts. 
But otherwise really, really 

1808
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:23,200
good. 
Yanks pitching starting is on 

1809
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,480
lock here, at least potentially,
and you've got got to get more 

1810
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:29,200
for the bullpen. 
That'll be really, really nice. 

1811
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,000
And you know, I, I, I think if 
you could do that, you got 

1812
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,280
yourself set up to do something 
really big as, as, as hopefully 

1813
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,040
you get another stick in here. 
And the Yankees said enough Mets

1814
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,720
would be foolish to trade for 
school ball. 

1815
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,720
Why use the chips for somebody 
else signed school in December? 

1816
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,160
Well, I mean, do you really 
think he's not going to go to 

1817
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,440
the Dodgers? 
Here's the thing too. 

1818
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:50,000
You've got to now calculate 
this. 

1819
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,000
You have to because it's not 
just about money, because Cohen,

1820
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,280
unlike AL's, been willing to 
write these big checks. 

1821
01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:58,480
Think about what he offered, you
know, Tucker, and think about 

1822
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:01,160
what he gave a shit. 
I mean, 60,000,040 mil. 

1823
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,400
I mean, wow. 
So the thought is, and I 

1824
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,720
understand this is a practical 
thought, like why give up prime 

1825
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,640
chips here for school when 
there's no assurances? 

1826
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,720
Because he's just not going to 
sign an extension attention when

1827
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,600
he gets here, there's no 
assurances that he's going to 

1828
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,720
remain a met. 
So it's a one year rental. 

1829
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,720
You're not necessarily ready to 
win a World Series. 

1830
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,960
Why would you do that now? 
Well, it I think in most 

1831
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,720
situations you would, you 
certainly wouldn't give up 

1832
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:29,320
McClain at all for a rental. 
And you know, the reason why you

1833
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,960
would do it is then work with 
the Yankees and Soto. 

1834
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,720
But the reason you do it is you 
get them in, you get him 

1835
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,200
acclimated, hopefully he loves 
it. 

1836
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,880
And then obviously the money 
will be there commensurate with 

1837
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,720
all the other offers. 
And then based on his his year 

1838
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,640
with the Mets or whomever trades
for him, he just feels a 

1839
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,320
connection and he wants to make 
it his home and you got a leg 

1840
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:51,760
up. 
So as long as the contract stuff

1841
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,400
meets up with the Dodgers, 
Toronto, the Yankees, and 

1842
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,080
they'll be in on school, 
whatever. 

1843
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,200
If he likes it in Queens and he 
thinks it's it's a trajectory 

1844
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,320
that he can obviously help 
clearly, but also punctuate with

1845
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:04,760
the championship and he likes 
it. 

1846
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:06,880
Well, you got the leg up, as I 
said. 

1847
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,160
But the problem with that now, 
and that is a very logical 

1848
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,840
thought and I really have 
subscribed to that for a long 

1849
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,640
time. 
Like get him in, let it show, 

1850
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,040
especially from a Yankee point 
of view. 

1851
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,440
Get him in, let him feel, you 
know, get around Yankee Stadium,

1852
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,000
the fans, the buzz, all that 
stuff. 

1853
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,560
Well, it didn't work with Soto 
and somebody like school. 

1854
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,480
I'd be less willing, less 
prepared to run the risk of not 

1855
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,880
trading for him now and then 
just having to, you know, stand 

1856
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,720
toe to toe with the Dodgers and 
to a lesser extent, the Yankees 

1857
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,120
and maybe Toronto and maybe one 
or two others. 

1858
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:44,680
And, you know, with the recent 
evidence that everybody's going 

1859
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,320
to the Dodgers, I mean, you 
really want to mess around and 

1860
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,400
risk that. 
So that's one reason why I 

1861
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,080
disagree with that. 
That last text there doesn't 

1862
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,520
guarantee anything that if you 
if you trade for them that 

1863
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,880
you're sure to sign them. 
But I do think it gives you a 

1864
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,440
better chance. 
If you're not willing to take 

1865
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:03,360
that chance, I get it. 
That's fine. 

1866
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,840
But OK. 
I just think you've got to be 

1867
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:08,640
ultra aggressive here. 
I really do. 

1868
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,640
What is this here? 
Michael Baker 73 O 8 What's up, 

1869
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,640
Mike again, guys, tell me where 
you are texting from. 

1870
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,280
I like I like to know that it 
gives me a chance to either 

1871
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,560
morph into a story or have a 
little bit of fun. 

1872
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,840
I remember playing there or I 
play golf there or I know this 

1873
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,840
guy there or whatever. 
I went to dinner there. 

1874
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,920
It just makes for keep it more 
conversational. 

1875
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,320
Michael, how about we stop 
mocking the boy genius, as you 

1876
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,120
know, who loves to insole? 
That's I think that's about the 

1877
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,560
Mingo. 
Maybe the Mets can win now that 

1878
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,400
the ones we never won with are 
gone. 

1879
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,520
Yeah, I got you. 
I think you're talking about 

1880
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:42,800
Joe. 
Joe, Joe dub them. 

1881
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,560
I mean, Joe is just Joe is Joe's
all over him. 

1882
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,880
I personally think it's it's 
unfair, but I'm not Joe. 

1883
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,920
I'm me. 
So I don't really care what Joe 

1884
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,720
says. 
It's you know, it's fine. 

1885
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,960
The boy, the boy wonder mocking 
him. 

1886
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,000
He's been all over him, you 
know, but but Joe who is amazing

1887
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,440
and I love, you know, Joe's 
deal. 

1888
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:06,360
Joe slants toward that negative 
emotion And I sometimes with 

1889
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,440
certain things, so will I. 
I don't see it that way. 

1890
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:11,480
I disagree. 
Fundamentally, I think Joe's 

1891
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:15,360
wrong and I don't agree, but 
that doesn't mean that 

1892
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:16,400
ultimately I'm going to be 
right. 

1893
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,080
And by the way, that's Joe's 
emotion now and he's certainly 

1894
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,920
entitled to to do that. 
I'd love to know if Joe still 

1895
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,360
feels that way. 
You know, with Bichette, with 

1896
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,080
Robert, a lot of that is 
emotionally driven. 

1897
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,320
You know, with guys like Pete 
and Nemo and Diaz. 

1898
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,640
I understand that, I do. 
And by the way, Joe just has a 

1899
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,680
microphone or a podcast. 
Joe's not alone and feeling that

1900
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,760
way. 
That's why I've told you, all of

1901
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,000
you, I think there's a large 
congregation of people, like a 

1902
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,120
massive amount, more than 50% of
the Met fan base. 

1903
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,440
It's going to owe Stearns an 
apology. 

1904
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:48,680
I truly believe that. 
That's just saying that. 

1905
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,800
I mean, the guy was brought here
to build the team the way, you 

1906
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:57,600
know, he built it in Milwaukee 
and to accent the roster with 

1907
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,000
pieces that financially he 
couldn't do in Milwaukee. 

1908
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,400
And I think that if he does 
that, then I I, you know, I I 

1909
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,440
really, really think that he's 
going to be somebody who's 

1910
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,400
revered and he's going to have a
chance to win a championship 

1911
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,800
here. 
Jim Horn, 10. 

1912
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,240
What's up, Jim? 
Kind of looks like Sal and me a 

1913
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,640
little bit. 
Anyway, the steroid class should

1914
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,760
be in the Hall of Fame. 
Every era has their version of 

1915
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:19,720
cheating. 
It's tell the story. 

1916
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,800
Baseball, Bonds and all the 
others should be in. 

1917
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,080
Everybody knows what happened. 
Yeah. 

1918
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:24,840
Jimmy, I'm with you at this 
point. 

1919
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,840
To me, it's a very basic point 
that I get to very quickly here.

1920
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,960
You know, as I said before, if 
you if you can't tell the story 

1921
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,760
of the dynastic Yankees without 
Andy Pettitte, right, Which you 

1922
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,800
can't if you want to be sincere 
and accurate and genuine to what

1923
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,000
actually occurred. 
Well, how can you tell the 

1924
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,600
history of baseball without a 
Bonds, without a McGuire, 

1925
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,320
certainly without without an 
Alex Rodriguez, who's one of the

1926
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,160
best natural baseball players of
all time. 

1927
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,040
Yeah. 
Listen, do I have separation 

1928
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:53,320
myself between somebody and 
forget about Alex? 

1929
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,760
Because Alex can run, he can 
field, he can do everything and 

1930
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,760
even forget about Bonds because 
he can run, he can didn't quite 

1931
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,280
have the arm and and the 
defensive prowess that that Alex

1932
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,440
had a shortstop in the outfield.
But athlete to me, the the the 

1933
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:09,840
debate could come into play and 
it does for me and is where I my

1934
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,240
line of demarcation like Bork 
McGuire Hall of Famer. 

1935
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,960
Even with all the cheating and 
the cartoonish physique and the 

1936
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,360
ridiculous home run totals. 
I mean, it's really insane. 

1937
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:25,280
But Mark McGuire at at USC and 
on the 84 Olympic team, it is a 

1938
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,920
rookie when he was very thin, 
hit 49 home runs for the ace. 

1939
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,720
I mean, look it up. 
Mark McGuire stepped onto a 

1940
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,360
baseball field. 
He was bam bam. 

1941
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:39,080
You know, I'm sure Mark McGuire 
when he was 681012151820 and 

1942
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,440
beyond was the best power hitter
on any field that he stepped on.

1943
01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:46,760
Wood bat, metal bat, t-ball, big
time college ball, PAC 12 

1944
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,840
minors, majors. 
That's Mark McGuire. 

1945
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:54,280
He's got brute raw strength that
is very rarely replicated, you 

1946
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,360
know, in baseball. 
It just had it's different. 

1947
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:01,040
Whereas somebody like Sammy Sosa
to me, who is much more a by 

1948
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,360
product of the chemical 
enhancement, I don't think he's 

1949
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,280
all the Famer. 
I'm old enough to have seen 

1950
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,440
Sammy Sosa play right field for 
the White Sox against the 

1951
01:32:08,440 --> 01:32:10,440
Yankees back in the day. 
Wasn't that guy. 

1952
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,280
So what is Sammy Sosa without 
home runs, without steroids? 

1953
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,280
What is he? 
I'm not saying he's not a good 

1954
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,080
player. 
He's not an old timer. 

1955
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,960
There's no way. 
I mean how many 60 plus home run

1956
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,760
seasons did he have? 
3 or 4? 

1957
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,520
Like you look at the whole like 
you know, you see Judge, you see

1958
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,600
Rodger Maris, you see like you 
know, you see McGuire, see Sosa 

1959
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,400
like 3 or 4 times. 
What are we doing? 

1960
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:38,320
To me, that was not a natural 
depiction of Sammy Sosa as a 

1961
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,120
baseball player. 
He is a much more heightened 

1962
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,040
version than he would have been 
without without cheating. 

1963
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,640
So I don't need Sammy Sulzer 
ever to be anywhere near a Hall 

1964
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:51,000
of Fame. 
McGuire in Clemens in a Rod in 

1965
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,600
Bonds in that's my opinion. 
Some of you disagree. 

1966
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,440
Some of you still hold on to the
notion. 

1967
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,440
And I get I'm not mocking you 
with his voice, but, oh, 

1968
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,000
cheated, you know, can't put up,
man. 

1969
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,360
The rules are the rules. 
And then. 

1970
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:03,680
But yeah. 
And then I could also let. 

1971
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:04,760
I can't. 
I got to get rolling here. 

1972
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,440
But I could then launch into. 
All right, well, I mean, there's

1973
01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:10,560
so many different points in 
baseball history. 

1974
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,840
What about the dead ball era? 
We had a what about this? 

1975
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,200
You might not like hearing this,
but this is the reality of it. 

1976
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,200
What about all the the white 
players that played in a league 

1977
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,320
where there were no minorities? 
And you know, look at somebody 

1978
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,760
like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays 
and and some of the bonds, some 

1979
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,720
of the best players are, are 
black, not to mention Latino. 

1980
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,320
And you know, for all those 
years, it was just white 

1981
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,480
players. 
And, you know, I don't, I don't 

1982
01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:37,440
know what the accomplishments 
would be. 

1983
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,000
I'm not saying that somebody 
like Ty Cobb wouldn't be amazing

1984
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,840
or, you know, somebody like Babe
Ruth wouldn't be amazing. 

1985
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,120
Of course they would be relative
to their era. 

1986
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,320
But will they be quite as 
amazing? 

1987
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,200
I I don't know the answer to 
that, but it's provoking 

1988
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,040
thought. 
And to me it's a real thing. 

1989
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,560
You have you have to insert. 
And then the next thing is, 

1990
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,080
well, how many thieves and 
criminals and drug, you know, 

1991
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:00,320
drug addicts and, you know, wife
beaters and whatever other, you 

1992
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,640
know, or in the Hall of Fame. 
So like the morality clues what 

1993
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,200
bothers me, like don't be 
selectively moral. 

1994
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,120
Like, you know what I mean? 
If you're going to, if you're 

1995
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,400
going to hold on to that 
morality clause, do it with 

1996
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,280
everybody. 
Just don't be selective. 

1997
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,040
Wow, this guy took steroids, but
this guy's an old timer. 

1998
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:19,000
Let's not just Revere the guys 
who played 100 years ago that we

1999
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,120
know were either or thought to 
be racist like Ty Cobb or, you 

2000
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,840
know, or cheaters or, or 
criminals, you know what I mean?

2001
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,440
So I want to hear it. 
I don't want to hear it in, in 

2002
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:32,200
an incomplete fashion. 
I want to, I'm, I'm down to hear

2003
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,360
the whole thing, you know, But 
again, you can't just parachute 

2004
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:36,560
it. 
I think a lot of you do. 

2005
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,560
I think it's changed a little 
bit, but I still notice it's 

2006
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,200
like you, you gravitate to one 
thing and you really hold on to 

2007
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,600
that so tightly as you as you 
present your case for, you know,

2008
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,720
Hall of Fame candidacy or not. 
But then other things that are 

2009
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:54,080
of equal import you you kind of 
you ignore or you push in the 

2010
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,360
corner of the room. 
It's not consistent because 

2011
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,240
that's not the big picture. 
And the big picture of baseball,

2012
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:03,440
as I wrap it up, is that if you 
are a great figure, if you are a

2013
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:07,000
luminary of the game, if you 
have the requisite stats, if you

2014
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,520
transcended the game, even if 
you cheated, because that's the,

2015
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,440
that's the era in which you, 
you, you know, you, you were 

2016
01:35:12,440 --> 01:35:15,200
competing in. 
Well, then you know what, you 

2017
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,280
belong to the Hall of Fame. 
And listen, one thing about the 

2018
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,680
show I've never said this on. 
I've said it once or twice on 

2019
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,120
the radio. 
I'm going to say now and then 

2020
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,240
I'm going to really sign off 
here. 

2021
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,640
You know how close I was to 
taking steroids. 

2022
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:26,800
I admit it freely. 
I was this close to taking 

2023
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,600
steroids. 
I actually had somebody on 

2024
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:32,960
campus and I scrounged together 
the money, all right, where I 

2025
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,880
was going to do 2 or 3 cycles in
preparation for baseball season 

2026
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,600
my sophomore year. 
And I don't know what my 

2027
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,760
ultimate checkpoint was, why I 
didn't do it. 

2028
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,640
Maybe thankfully sensibility won
out. 

2029
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,080
But I, I can tell you back then 
I wasn't thinking that clearly. 

2030
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,960
It's not like I was some mature 
19 year old who thought about 

2031
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,920
the world and thought about me 
being at this age. 

2032
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,160
I didn't think about that at 
all. 

2033
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:57,360
I mean, I really didn't. 
I thought about what can I do to

2034
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,840
become a better base, to get 
faster, to get stronger. 

2035
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,000
And that was also in the era 
when everybody was yoked up and,

2036
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,200
you know, there were guys, 
football team, other athletes on

2037
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:07,920
campus. 
Guys just wanted to look good at

2038
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,680
the beach. 
A lot of people were taking 

2039
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,360
juice, you know, so I actually 
almost did it. 

2040
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,360
And it and I, I really do think 
the determining factor was it 

2041
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,360
wasn't even about a morality 
thing or a fear of like organs 

2042
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,920
or, you know, shriveling that, 
that that thing shriveled up. 

2043
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,240
What you hear about. 
I was worried about that stuff I

2044
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:31,080
was worried about or I came to 
the conclusion, and I'm proud of

2045
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,440
myself for doing this because it
was, it was the right honest 

2046
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:37,000
conclusion. 
I came to the determination that

2047
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,840
no matter how many cycles I 
took, it wasn't gonna be good 

2048
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,440
enough to play in the bakes. 
I do it now. 

2049
01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:45,360
Would it have give me, you know,
a year or two a bowl? 

2050
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,320
Hi. 
A maybe AA would have maybe. 

2051
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,440
Maybe in the right situation. 
Maybe, but I just knew that 

2052
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:53,680
about myself and I was able to 
be honest with myself about 

2053
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,240
that. 
But I, I, I say that, you know, 

2054
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,600
not to sound like some Oh, what 
an amazing figure. 

2055
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,360
He didn't do it. 
What an amazing person. 

2056
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,880
No, again, I was just close. 
I had the person, I had the 

2057
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,640
money and I was ready. 
I was ready to do it because I 

2058
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,920
was working out a lot. 
And I think that especially when

2059
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,160
I'm in college, I graduate mid 
nineties, 96 where, you know, 

2060
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,880
now the steroid era, it's like 
everywhere you look, everybody's

2061
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,800
absolutely yoked up and just 
jacked. 

2062
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,720
So imagine being in the majors, 
forget about me. 

2063
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,120
It's some, you know, middling 
mid major Division One school 

2064
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,800
that's not winning a lot and not
putting up great stats. 

2065
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,000
Me in college. 
Imagine being in the minors and 

2066
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,640
being in let's say AA and going 
to camp and looking around and 

2067
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,440
seeing 30 guys that are, you 
know, around your age, you're 

2068
01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:42,040
too older, you're too younger, 7
or 8 play the same position 

2069
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,160
organizationally. 
You're all chasing the same 

2070
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,040
thing. 
You chasing the call up, you 

2071
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,800
chasing the elevation, you 
chasing the money and you're 

2072
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,960
chasing, you know, you're 
chasing wealth that is going to 

2073
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,400
benefit multiple generations, if
not every generation if you 

2074
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,320
invested properly, really 
perpetuity if you if you handle 

2075
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:59,760
it right and you make enough 
money. 

2076
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:04,040
So I mean, how do you not do it 
at that point? 

2077
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:07,760
Now, the thing with somebody 
like Alex and and Barry Bonds is

2078
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,080
that they didn't really need it.
Whereas others that that's going

2079
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,200
to start recklessly throwing 
names out because I don't want 

2080
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,280
to be that guy, but there's a 
lot of people that we think did 

2081
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,440
it that would never proven to 
have done it. 

2082
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:23,640
That wound up going from average
ball players to guys who wound 

2083
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,360
up securing 20, five, $30 
million. 

2084
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,960
They got the bag. 
And you know what is it really, 

2085
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,800
if you think about it, did they 
really truly do the wrong thing?

2086
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,640
If their liver doesn't conk out 
and their organs don't just 

2087
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,880
shrivel up and they don't die, 
God forbid early. 

2088
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,520
You can say they did the right 
thing, but the pressure of that,

2089
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,840
like I, I, I just don't think 
that it's often enough looked at

2090
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:47,600
through the proper prism of the 
context of the era in which 

2091
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,240
almost everybody was messing 
around at some point with that. 

2092
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,120
And I was right there thinking 
about it. 

2093
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:55,840
And if I was better, I would 
have done it. 

2094
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,800
So I'm going to always keep it 
real with that. 

2095
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,280
I got to roll. 
Hey, appreciate you guys hanging

2096
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,280
out. 
J Rod, you get to stick around 

2097
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:03,680
for a little bit. 
He passed the test. 

2098
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,920
Good job By my boy Jared. 
Jared was good today. 

2099
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,640
Really good Giant discussion, 
really good Hall of Fame Mets 

2100
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,400
discussion. 
Little Johnny's for you as well.

2101
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,120
Tomorrow's the BT and South live
show, so it's going to be a 

2102
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:17,040
blast. 
Can't wait. 

2103
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,040
I've got to get out to St. 
John's today and I got to record

2104
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,240
that show like it, subscribe, 
spread the word. 

2105
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,320
Jared's doing a really good job 
on the shorts and the 

2106
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,280
thumbnails, just the overall 
presentation and, and that's 

2107
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,200
going to even get better and 
better and better. 

2108
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:34,160
It will do more and more and 
more and that's it. 

2109
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:35,320
So I got a roll here. 
I got hit the road. 

2110
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:37,240
Get out to Queens, guys. 
Have it an outstanding 

2111
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,120
Wednesday. 
I appreciate it. 

2112
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,120
I appreciate you. 
BT unleashed in the house every 

2113
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,640
Monday through Friday at 10. 
And then obviously when we get 

2114
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,240
some breaking news there, we'll 
jump in, we'll parachute in and 

2115
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,280
we'll do our thing. 
So have a great day and I will 

2116
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,240
see you tomorrow at 10. 
Bye bye.