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What's going on, everybody? BT unleashed with you.
We got a big one today. Yesterday was absolutely
phenomenal, man. I hope you guys enjoyed the
Michael Kay spot. I'm going to get to that.
I got a circle back to something that he said yesterday.
I'm going to actually play it for you, but couple of little
housekeeping notes here first up, so I'll be pretty busy today
there. J Rod coming up at 2:35.
Later on, let's get this up on the board.
This guy is absolutely hysterical.
I've become pretty good friends with him.
Jimmy Fala, who is just an absolute trip and his journey is
amazing. He was a taxi cab driver for
about 10 years and I didn't know this unbeknownst to me because
he had me on the show for the Super Bowl.
And by the way, I pretty much nailed the exact score.
And I want you some money. But anyway, he was a big fan and
he used to listen to me, even going back to the 1050 days.
So we've gotten to know each other a bit.
Anytime he wants to get into some sports stuff, he he reaches
out. So he said, hey, you want to
come back on? I said, yeah, man, let's do it.
So we're going to do that today. 235 It's a national show.
There's A and obviously the audio component there component,
there's the visual component. So that is later on today, 2:35
Eastern, Fox across America, Jimmy Fallon, number one.
Number two, and I cannot wait to get into this.
I'm going to drop this probably Sunday night around 6:00, right.
And when I tell you the amount of work and crunching of numbers
and recollection and talking to people because like I, I can't
mess this up, you know how much the Big East means to me.
Well, this is going to drop on Sunday night, J Rod, I'm pumped
up. You know it.
My all time Big East team is going to drop Sunday.
Some additional fresh content in addition to the live show.
And yeah, I mean, it, it is it, it is extensive.
I mean, I've got the five starters, I've got the seven
reserves, I've got the head coach.
I even went so far because I was leaving a lot of names out.
I'm like, I don't know about this.
I came up with A10 deep honorable mention list because
think about this guys, there's been so many different
iterations of the Big East. And the reason I want to drop
this on Sunday is obviously the regular season is going to wrap
up this weekend in the conference for all the
conferences. And then some of the conference
tourneys are already on the way to the Big East Center stage
next week at the Garden. Now, the way it worked out is
that what went down last night, St.
John's got a break. So if they win tomorrow in
Newark against Seat hall, which is not going to be easy, very
quietly, Shaheen Holloway squad is looking like they're going to
get that four spot and avoid playing that first day.
Good for them. I like when the Pirates are
good. It's good for the it's good for
the area, it's good for the Big East.
Anyway, if St. John's wins tomorrow, and again,
no guarantee that they do because they almost lost the
seat hall at the Garden about a month or so ago, then based on
what happened last night, St. John's will get the ones seed
and UConn will be the two seed based on the tiebreaker.
So that's coming up on Sunday. It will not be live.
I will drop it as different type of content.
Now we can get that off the screen.
We'll get into the rest of the show.
But before we do that, Jay, so you guys know J Rod, you love J
Rod, He's awesome. He's doing a great job.
Look at the paint. What's up, dude?
Look at the where are you today? What do you make?
The grandparent, yeah, You know, we getting ready, getting ready
for the big fight. Booms.
Yes, Sir. Also just little side cut.
Yeah, turns out Bada Booms is from the town over from me.
We. Hell out of here.
Are you serious? In him and I've been texting we
grew up 10 minutes away from each other.
What ironic did you go? Not rival rivaling high schools,
but like our high schools definitely played each other in
schools and stuff. Like, I'm gonna have to.
I'm gonna have to try to find some old audio.
Here's bada booms on the perimeter.
Couple that dribbles into the paint.
Poked away. Stolen by J Rod.
J Rod going back the other way. Bounce pass.
No. Look.
J Rod with the Dime and Bada Boom's team is called a time
out. They're down 37 to 12.
Yeah, big time. But I got.
A question for you, hold on. So the the all time Big East
team you're a Syracuse guy as as many people know and those who
didn't just found that out and you are obviously a lot younger.
So there's been and you're no longer the Big East and I get
the decision for football clearly, but just, I mean part
of certainly Syracuse lost its soul when they left the Big East
and, and elements of the Big East did as well.
Now I know you know your history 'cause you are basketball's your
favorite sport. I've got 5 starters, I've got 7
reserves and I've got 10 honorable mentions.
Tell me, I don't know if I'll, I'm not going to divulge much
here. That's coming on Sunday.
Tell me how many Syracuse Orangemen you think or Orange,
whatever they call themselves these days what they are.
How many will be represented on my all Time Team for the the Big
East Conference? Currently I'm going to go 33 to
4:00. Maybe.
OK. All right.
I'm going to go, all right, Derek Coleman, that's a no
brainer in my mind. All right, Carmelo to me is a
toss up with you because I know, I know he's not.
You know he's not always in the best of graces.
But we leave, we, we leave bias at the door when we do this
stuff. We've we've, you know, we got to
do our job. Keep going and.
Then the other two, I'd say, who could, you know, make the team?
Earl the Pearl, Washington I. Mean not not Earl, not Earl.
Dwayne, Dwayne. You meant you meant.
You meant Earl. You meant.
I know. I know what you meant.
I see, I see. I got you and then Dave Bing.
Wow, now Dave Bing, that's. That's old school, I know.
That's why I think it might kind of contest with the list would
be my guess. But, you know, we'll see.
OK, pretty good guesses there. Again, I'm not going to divulge
much. The one thing that I will tell
you is that is Dave Bing, who was also the former mayor of
Detroit. I don't know if you knew that he
went on to yeah, Dave. Yes, Dave Bing went on to
politics. But when Dave was at, at
Syracuse, remember they weren't in the Big East yet because the
Big East was formed in it. It's all good that they were
formed in 79. And obviously Dave, I, I think
Dave was in the 60s. I, I know he wasn't in the mid
70s. I'm pretty sure 60s somewhere
around there a long time ago. Anyway, you cut it.
The challenge for me was that there's been so many different
iterations. That's why I had to do an
honorable mention because you think about the early Big East
days like 79, like some of the charter teams like obviously St.
John's and Georgetown and you know, the pits and the
Villanova's and the Boston colleges and teams like that.
But then later on you had like Miami and Virginia Tech and
Louisville and Notre Dame and Marquette came in and all these
different again, different iterations.
It was a task, man. So I can't wait to drop this on
Sunday. I put in not, not that I'm
looking for a pat on the back, but you know how serious I take
my Saints, my St. John's hoop?
You know how serious I take my Big East conference is?
It's truly one of my favorite things ever in the history of
sports. And by the way, have you seen
it's old at this point, but you got to go back and see it.
If you haven't, have you seen the 30 for 30 requiem for a Big
East on ESPN? I don't believe I've seen it
yet. Oh dude, you got you have.
You absolutely have to see this. You must see it.
That is homework. So I gave you homework last
week. You came correct.
You did it. I told you you had to watch the
Warriors movie, you know, get a little grit, get a little 70s in
in in Jay Rods life. And he did that like the good
student that he is now, you got to go back and you will not want
it to end like every it's the kind of thing, put it this way,
you know, when he just humming through channels like, you know,
for me, like there's no Yanks, no Mets, no Knicks, I'm not
working Johnny's, no games for the kids.
Most importantly, nothing going on with the house.
And I'm just kind of, you know, randomly flipping through, all
right, there's Duke, I'll stick with Duke.
All right, there's Houston Cougars, I'll stick with them,
whatever it might be. And, you know, then all of a
sudden you'll see like a 3030 on one of the 9000 channels that
ESPN has. And when that comes on, I can't
turn the and I know every word. I can't turn the chat.
It's that good. So check it out.
You're going to and you're going to learn a lot.
It's really, really good. Done.
OK, so how good was Michael Kay yesterday?
I mean, the numbers are off the charts.
You guys loved it. And I thought that was about as
as raw. I I've never heard I I don't,
I've worked with Michael or used to work with Michael for a good
ten years. All right, He was at ESPN Radio
from day one, him and Don Don was the first voice and I'm
going to have Don on the show next week, by the way.
So Donnie was the first voice on 1050.
Kay was doing the mid days. And then I came two years after
that in 2003. And then like Steven a came a
year after that with roughly a year.
So I've known Michael long time and, and Michael, and he'll even
said this on the show, like he's going to need a team of surgeons
to split open his his brain and find out what the hell is wrong
with him. I mean, he's brilliant and he's
terrific at his job, but he's out of his mind.
Like, like all of us in this business doesn't eat ketchup.
Like there's just certain things he doesn't do.
And I don't think I don't think that I've ever heard Michael
curse. Mike dropped a couple of curses
on the show. So as one of one of which came
from a story that he was telling about his dad, which was
absolutely hysterical being raised by a tough bronze dad
back in the day. Anyway, it was absolutely
phenomenal. It's a good hourish, you know,
55 minutes. So if you guys didn't check it
out, you want to check it out in its entirety, just go on the
channel here. It is really, really good.
One of the shorts got like 37,000 hits already on
Instagram. It's listen, I'm not surprised
it's Michael K, but I I appreciate his time and it was
just such a candid conversation. And that is the goal here.
Among many goals, BT unleashed the show, the fam, the channel,
the new platform, the building of this.
You know, I'm not going to get people on and hey, what do you
think about this? Like you, you got to have a
conversation and you've got to have relationships.
So I'm just starting to to really, again, I don't mean this
in a, in a braggadocious kind of way, but I'm just starting to
tap into my Rolodex, which is very vast.
So whether it's guys I worked with on the radio and the old
radio wars and all that stuff, which you guys always enjoy, I
had to go to St. John's yesterday to record the
TV show with Rick. And he said, yeah, I'm
definitely going to come on the show.
Now, the thing with that. And then I want to get into
today's show. And I want to start with
something that Kate said, I'm going to actually play it for
you. And then I'm going to react.
But the thing about Rick, I've got to find out logistically
what's best for him, because it's not about what's best for
me. He's got a bigger fish to fry.
You know, he's getting ready for the NCAA tournament, so I would
think that, you know, they they'll play on Friday night and
then they will not play Wednesday.
Those would be the four bottom teams and then they'll play on
Thursday. Either the one or the two seed,
probably the one if things work out well.
And and then it's just microwave scouting.
So I'm not going to bother him. Like once you find out on
Selection Sunday, who you playing, where you going?
I mean, it's all right, all right, we got this team from
this conference. They literally watch film all
day and all night because it is microwave scouting, as I said.
So I'll be traveling with the team.
So I'll bring you all the content from the 1st and the 2nd
rounds of whatever site we go to.
But I, I would think just based on the logistics and you know
what I, what I think Rick wants to do what I want.
I don't want to put him in a rough spot.
I would like to to to get Rick on Monday.
Where? All right, we know where they're
going. We know who they're playing.
They either won the Big East tournament or did not.
Here's the seating. We go from there.
All right, so yesterday we hit a million things with Kay again.
He was so fantastic. And one of the topics that I
want to start our show with this, you know what, what kind
of job security does Boone have? Is Boone on thin ice this year?
Things don't go well if there's a quick bounce from the post
season. Is this it for Boone this year?
It could happen. I mean I I think it could happen
He has only one year left Hal doesn't like to pay people for
not working and I never thought he was going to be let go last
year. You know people, people on my
show. I don't know if it was like this
with you and Sal in order. They hate Cashman, they hate
Boone. And then Hal, yes, that's the
that's the order. That's universal.
And I I think the Hal criticism is ridiculous.
Oh, he's cheap. He's not cheap.
Oh, he doesn't want to win. He desperately wants to win.
He's just not his dad. That's a hard act to follow.
I think Boone's a good manager. I think it's tough to win.
I think, I think it's just really, really, really tough to
win. And he has sometimes he's had
imperfect teams. I think if you asked him which
one he takes the hardest, it would be last year, you know,
just sitting next. OK, so there you go.
And again, the entire interview is up on the channel.
Listen, at this point, guys, I'm I'm not going to convince you
one way or the other. And quite frankly, I'm not even
going to try to. I respect your opinions, you
know my opinion on Boone. And let let me also say this,
any friendship that I have with Aaron, which is pretty strong,
you guys know that anything that I say is going to be rooted in
reality. You know, everybody knows I love
the guy. Everybody knows I have great
profound respect for the human being, the man that Aaron Boone
is. Because I think when when you
look at you know, how he's comported himself as the Yankee
manager and, and really, you know, on a personal level, just
you know what he did for me and Sal coming out to Red Bank, NJ
from Connecticut when we did the first BT and Sal live show.
By the way, the second one is all over my social channels.
It's up there April 2nd in wanton Mulcahy's.
You got the ticket link. It's going to be great.
Carl Banks is come listen, we don't roll out the C listers
like Booney came out for the first one.
You know what happened with me and Sal and Carl Banks on WFAN.
So a full circle moment with Carl at Mulcahy's tickets out
there. Go check them out.
We already sold a bunch. So you guys want to jump in
soon. But I promise you, you either
choose to believe this or not That's fine.
I'm going to waste much time on this.
When I tell you how I judge him and what I perceived him to be
as a manager of the Yankees, it's rooted in my reality and
sensibility as a baseball fan, a baseball observer, not my
friendship with Aaron. So I just want to get that out
of the way. And I I know that there's still
many of you that won't believe it.
Do what you got to do. Believe what you want now the
the the run of Aaron as a Yankee manager, it's obviously been
very good. All right, seven of eight years
play offs. The one year he didn't make the
play offs. That's when Judge got hurt in LA
when he heard his foot running into the wall and compelled to
say those idiotic Dodger jerks. Didn't you know they didn't fix
the concrete slab that was hanging out from 1969 whenever
they built that stadium. Anyway, Boon to me with the
World Series appearance, couple of 100 win seasons, all the
stuff he's done right. When you look at the Yankees and
the reality is they have not won a they have not won a World
Series since 2009. Now other things that Kay said
and and I agree with this. You know how is not cheap?
That's gotten hijacked. And it's a real, I think a real
unfair misrepresentation of how I think the difference, and this
is a very easy one to identify, the difference between Hal and
George is that winning was oxygen for George.
If George didn't win, George couldn't breathe.
And in a lot of ways, sometimes he tripped all over himself
trying to figure out a way to win, which is why he was at
times a colossal pain in the ass, which is something that is
omitted from the George Steinbrenner legacy
conversation. Because when he got suspended,
when he got banned from baseball for a couple of years, that's
when the Yankees dynasty was built.
Like he was pushed out stick Michael took over.
We know the story. I don't need to reset it.
I was thrilled that he got banished.
Like, you know, let's not overly romanticize what George was now
his persona, his personality, his affinity for the Yankees and
that almost that militaristic presentation.
Jay Rod, I didn't keep that up. I'll get to it.
That that that, you know, when it all cost him just what he
projected. It's very different than Hal.
And and that shouldn't be surprising.
I mean, if you think about the way George ran in the Yankees,
how do you think George ran the house?
I mean, his son probably terrified to say anything to
him. So he's got a very sedate,
softer presentation than George. But to say that how does it want
to win is patently offensive and inherently false and unfair.
Now, the difference is, as I said, George looked at, you
know, winning that that was his oxygen.
And when he didn't win, he started panting.
And then he's like, I got, I got to get this guy.
I got to fire that guy. I got to do this.
I got to fire this GM. And that was him searching for
more oxygen in his lungs because he was pursuing winning at all
costs. That's not how that's never
going to be, Hal. And you know, if we keep
complaining about this, we're wasting everybody's time because
Michael nailed it. Now, I agree with a lot of the
things that Michael said, not everything, but he absolutely
nailed it when he said, you know, I don't know what you and
Sal went through, but the calls that he gets and and the I guess
the you know, the the narrative on the Yankees right now, it's
when you look at the criticisms, it's Cashman one, it's Boon 2
and it's Hal 3. I would agree.
And you know this, I mean Brian Cash, but is not earn the right
all that crazy stuff from the fan.
Brian Cashman to me, the last 10 years or so has been much more
of a problem than the answer. Just talking about baseball.
I like the guy, but he's been worse than he's been great
because when you have that amount of money and you spend
that amount of money, this is going to be a correlation of
winning to some extent. And you know, there's been many
things with the Yankees that have been broken, whether it's
the development of young players or hugging the prospects or not
giving them runway to play like Dominguez probably not going to
make the team. You know, Michael said that
yesterday as well. And I firmly.
But Jones has no chance to make the team and I don't think
Dominguez is making the team, which drives me nuts.
All right. And then, you know, even years
before that they had no left-handed hitters, which is
unfathomably nuts with a 314 foot porch in right field.
And then now they seemingly basically have no right-handed
hitter. So there's just always something
a little off with the Yankees lately and that's Cashman.
But if you look at and answer me honestly here, if you're not a
Boon fan, and that's fine or even a Boon believer, I don't
know anybody that dislikes Aaron because he's such a good guy.
But you can criticize things about his managerial style.
I get that. I mean, he he colossally bombed
game one of the World Series Cortez.
That was ridiculous. And I said it the next day on
the fan and I said it to Aaron. He's like, all right, that's
your opinion. He can't stand.
I will get texts and sad will as well when we're talking about
Trent Grisham and he's not a lead off hitter for a team
that's supposed to win a World Series or be in the hunt for a
World Series. He's not that kind of player.
But yet they keep telling us that he's the best fit for a
lead off hitter. I don't think he is.
Now that's more of a Cashman thing because you can only write
out the lineup based on what you're giving anyway.
I do think the pecking order should be more and Michael said
Cashman Boone, how I actually think it's Cashman how Boone
because when you look at the, there's two aspects to winning,
right? There's the construction of a
team, and then there's the application and the managerial
style of the roster that you're given.
You tell me who's more culpable. Has Brian Cashman given Aaron
Boone truly a world championship roster?
And the answer is no. And the other thing that I've
said, so I'm going to exonerate Boone on on a lot of levels
there. And the other thing too, guys,
and I think you really have to understand this.
If you are pining and yelling and screaming and just you can't
wait to get rid of Aaron Boone. Let me ask you something.
Let's say the Yankees go, I don't know, I think they're
about a 92 win team right now, something like that.
Let's say the Yankees. Now, I do think there's a lot of
upside with the pitching staff, you know that.
Let's say the Yankees win. That's with the difference 93
games and you know, say if they lose in the first round, maybe
they don't win the division and I don't think 93 would be enough
to win it. They don't win the division.
They get bumped in the first round or they win the first
round like last year and they look overmatched and or sloppy
or or whatever in the next round they get bounced.
Well, you just heard me ask Michael, did you think that this
would be the end for Boone and. Yeah, I think that there's a
real chance that that's true. And on a lot of levels, again,
personal relationship aside, you don't think that I can
understand that? Of course I could and and I do.
But what I push back on understand if you want Boone
gone, what do you think the Yankees are going to do whenever
they have? I mean, Aaron Boone's not going
to coach for 100 more years. I mean, he's not going to manage
for 100 more years. So whenever they move on from
boom, do you think that they're going to go outside the
organization and find that old school ass kicker that every
Yankee fan wants, which by the way doesn't really exist
anymore? I mean, there's a dearth of
those type of man who who does that anymore really?
I mean, it's analytically driven for the most part.
Now, Boone's pushed back on that.
He says, he's told me and he's told you that the Yankees are
really the least analytically reliant team in the American
League East. And I believe him.
You know why I believe him? Because numbers are irrefutable.
And you can check that stuff out and, and he's not lying, all
right? But whenever they move on from
Aaron Boone, they're going to go in the organization.
This is my opinion and they're going to elevate somebody that's
already there. All right.
Now, if you're if the root of your your pushback with the
Yankees is that they need a different philosophy, which I
get to an extent, I don't think you nuts to think that.
Or it's just time for a new voice or you want somebody who's
more old school and is going to light up the players again,
which by the way, doesn't really happen anymore.
Hate to break it to you, but if you think that they're going to
fire Boone or move on from Aaron, whatever they do, and try
to find that guy with a different team, there's nobody
out there like that. Who who was the guy?
I mean, we all had this perception in our minds like
Billy Martin. Billy Martin managed 3-4 decades
ago, guys, you got to put that out of your head.
Or Jim Leland. I mean, Jim Leland's been out of
the game for a long time. Tony Larousse was very much a
numbers guy as well. Different personalities.
Well, great manager, great tactician, but but those guys
are, I mean, it's just, it's, it's a, it's a dying ear.
It's a dead ear. It's not a dying ear.
It's a dead era. The fact to me, one of the
things that I love about Boone is that I think that he is so
equipped because he shows it all the time to deal with the
bullshit that comes with being the manager of the Yankees.
Like, where are there flare ups? Like think about, you know,
again, this, even though I said it was a million years ago,
think about all the nonsense. And the newspapers covered teams
differently back then, really back then with Billy Martin and
before that, the newspapers were the radio.
And now what's becoming, you know, different types of content
as as conventional radio is beginning to change.
I don't want to say die off. I'm not trying to disrespect it.
So I've got love for terrestrial radio.
I always will. But it doesn't have the same
cachet and the same juice at once that it just doesn't
because there's a lot of outlets out there and you look at these
podcasts and you look at these shows, half of these shows are
the host of former athletes. You know what I mean?
So the entire game has changed, right?
And you know, back then with a Martin and a Reggie fight, or,
you know, a Munson and a a Munson and a Reggie issue, or
when Goose had fights with, I think that was Cliff Johnson in
the shower. Or, you know, the Mets and the
anarchy of the great 86 Mets team.
You know, they really later on they couldn't stand each other
when they had the fist fight with Keith and Darrell.
I think that was 80, 88 maybe or 8 and maybe 89.
I think it was after they lost to the Dodgers on picture day.
They start throwing punches. Either way, it was covered
differently by the newspapers and the energy.
Like the manager really had to deal with a lot of stuff.
Now, the manager still has to do with a lot of stuff, but because
you speak to the media before the game, you speak to the media
after the game, you speak to the media twice a day.
And if you're Aaron Boone, whether it's jumping on WFN with
me and Sal or jumping on here, which he will on BT Unleashed or
John Boy, and I know, I think he's the channel.
I really think that he has the perfect demeanor for 2026.
Now, if you have this antiquated mindset of what, especially what
a Yankee manager should be, I, I don't, I don't know what to tell
you. I really can't help you.
It's not going to go backwards, guys.
It's only going to evolve and it's going to become a little
bit more sterile and a little bit more benign and a little bit
more homogenized. Like, I mean, I, you know, if
you don't know that by now, I, I just, you just never going to
know it if you don't notice this, that the entire landscape
has changed. What I want to say the power,
well, maybe I will say a little bit of the power, some of the
power that the managers have, it's been diminished a little
bit because it's more shared in terms of the analytical input,
which is just the reality of the game.
You can push back on it, but it is what it is.
And you know, let's, let's just say you can keep that up.
I'm going to start reading some of these, I promise.
Let's just say, all right, I've had some issues with Jazz
Chisholm, right? And he's wildly talented.
I don't like the fact that he said he's going for 5050 because
I wonder when you're going for 50 bombs what you're sacrificing
in terms of contact contact and strikeout rate.
But whatever, we'll see. And I don't think there's any
way the Yankees give him a long term contract.
I'm on the record with that. But as wildly talented as he is,
he can he's the best athlete. Even Kay said it.
I agree. Best athlete on the team.
Runs like the wind. Easy power.
Just that loose limbed, long explosive body that every scout
looks for. Got a good arms, got it all
right. But he is a little Spacey on
occasion, whether it's the World Series, you know, I'm not paying
attention with the balls trickling through the infield or
other moments. If that was Billy Martin, he
would have had, he would have eviscerate.
He may have pulled him off the field.
He would have eviscerated him the moment Jazz got to the top
step of the dugout. Do you think that anybody's
going to do that nowadays? Do you really think that it it's
just an, it's an unexpected reality.
Stop waiting for it. So mainly the pushback, because
you can't say that Aaron Boone doesn't win enough.
You can't sit outside of the World Series, which is more of a
Cashman thing to, in my opinion. You can't say that it's a sloppy
clubhouse and there's leaks everywhere because it's
incredibly buttoned up and professional.
And I don't even think I really believe this.
And this is one of the main reasons why I support Boone.
Friendship aside, I don't look at any of these Yankee teams and
say, wow, the Yankees underachieved.
They were supposed to. They were by far the best team
in baseball. What the hell happened?
Like, imagine the 98 Yankees lost the World Series instead
of, you know, instead of just routing everybody that now
that's an underachievement because it would not have been
congruent with their regular season.
You know, it's obvious. There's a reason why the Yankees
have these June, late, middle of the season swoons, start hot, go
down, come back up, win some playoff games and get bounced
because the roster's not great. Because you got guys like
Stanton who's still here, who can't run, can't throw, can't
field. You got to keep ADH spot open
for them. You know, you didn't really know
what to do in the outfield because how how didn't want to
spend on Harper or Machado or those guys.
So, yeah, I guess we got to bring back Grisham.
I mean, that's not Boone's fault.
It's just not. All right.
Robert Huertas. What up, Rob?
How you doing, buddy? Great show with Kay.
One of my favorite baseball people was Bobby Mercer, who I
met with Rick Cerrone back in the 80s by City Hall.
Has really missed. Bobby Mercer was a great guy.
I have a story, Dad. I was talking to my dad
yesterday coming back from St. John's, right?
That's when I really get to catch up with dad cuz.
And by the way, it took me two hours.
I missed baseball practice yesterday.
I don't know what the hell was going on.
And I mean, thank God we, we have two other great coaches,
but I, I don't like missing practice.
I was in the car for two hours and 9 minutes coming back from
Queens trying to get back to New Jersey.
And it's usually not that it's like an hour and an hour.
Brutal. So anyway, I always catch up
with my dad during the car rides and Bobby Mercer, who, as we
know, and he and he was listening to the K interview and
he told me a story about one of his best friends growing up in
Brooklyn. And I knew I knew about this,
but not to this extent. Frankie Devivo, right,
left-handed pitcher stud. He actually the way he got
signed by the Yankees. He was in the military for a
couple years, got signed by the Yankees.
They, he got I, I think it was two days after he got out of the
military, my dad was telling me, Frankie knocks on my dad's door.
My dad's still living with his parents.
They're young. He says, hey, I got to try out.
True story, but I'm going to have my dad come on to tell you
the whole story. This is a short version.
He knocks on his door. Hey, Red, My dad's nickname was
Red back in the days. Got like that, that Irish, they
call him Red, right? Yo, Red.
I got to try out tomorrow at Rikers Island for the Yankees.
Rikers Island. So back then, you know, a lot of
the big jails, you know big, they had great baseball teams.
So they bring Frankie out to Rikers Island to a pitch against
their team. One of the guys was in the major
leagues and then he got hung up and whatever he got hung up
with, he went to jail and he threw like 5 inning, struck out
eight. And my dad was there was one of
his best friends. Right after the right after the
performance. The Yankee scout has Frankie
sign like 5 contracts because back then, like you, you would
sign like it was deep, D level, deep, deep like D Bowl.
Like that was actually what it was called D Bowl before you get
to like a ball and rookie and all that stuff.
So he, you know, there's no phones back then obviously.
So Frankie's writing to my dad couple times when he's in the
minors. He was out like Johnston City,
Tennessee and then he was up I think in Oneonta and he was
just, he would have made the team.
He would have. He would have been a pro, but he
blew out his arm again. Long story short, he writes one
of the letters to my dad. He goes.
Yeah, He goes, Yeah, I forget exactly what he wrote.
He goes, there's this one dude here.
He's the only guy better than me.
It was Bobby Mercer. How sick is that?
How great is that? I mean, the element.
And that's the old school story. I'm going again.
Dad's got to figure out how to use this thing.
Hopefully, Mom could help him out as well.
Because if J Rod sends my dad a stream yard link, there's no
chance in hell we're getting my dad on the show.
So we we got to make sure we get this the right way.
But what a great story, riveting stuff.
A tryout at Rikers. I could you imagine tomorrow
there's a tweet that no the Yankees or the Mets sign so and
so after a three-year run in the military after he struck out
eight batters in five innings against Rikers Islands team that
you know, the All Star team at Rikers.
My God, that's that is absolutely incredible stuff
there. So NYC to DJ All right, all
right, listen, this is fair. I'm not going to explode over
this. I I can't change opinions and
and it is what it is and and and I'm fine with it.
But love you BT but your Boone takes her biased and you know
it. You can't play both sides here,
all right, That's why I preface everything with, you know, our
friendship. But I I do get said I crushed
him. I don't know.
I'm sure unless they just deleted me and Sal from the WFAN
library library, which I don't think that they did.
You know, you can go and find our show the day after the World
Series, when I absolutely crushed Boone for going to
Cortez. It was it was a horrendous move.
Now it's easy to deduce from that.
Wow, costing Yankees the World Series.
I don't. I mean, it could have, I don't
think so, because I just think the Dodgers were a lot better.
They caught the ball better if they ran the bases better, if
they had more better players period.
You know, if Judge in center field and Garrett Cole and
Rizzlewood first base and you know, Jazz in the infield and
Volpe and Jazz at 3rd. I, I know, I know what happened.
But if you think that guys, there's really nothing that I
can say to try to change your mind.
So I'm not going to try. All I could do is tell you and,
and be my authentic self. And one thing that I've always
taken great pride in doing this is that I'm always about, you
know, I'm not a journalist. I mean, I'm, I'm a content
creator. And before I was creating
content here, you know, I was a voice, a passionate voice on the
radio that, you know, you always knew where I stood, didn't pull
any punches. And I never played favorites.
I mean when I was covering the Knicks and that was a tough
dance, when I was covering the Knicks doing the pre and the
post game show for about 6 years back in the day, Isaiah years,
whatever halftime show, radio, TV stuff, you don't think I was
burying the Knicks and I was. If you listen to me on 10:50,
you know that I was so and I was friends with Isaiah.
I liked Isaiah Thomas a lot. I think he was a really good
dude. You got to do your job.
And if you don't think that I can separate the two, I respect
that I disagree. But I'm not going to fight City
Hall trying to get you to change your opinion.
That's fine. At some point, yeah, at some
point, you need another voice of the room here.
It's been a decade, and Boone can't get him over the hump.
He had his opportunity. That's fair.
That's why I asked Michael K the question.
You know, I asked Michael. If things don't go well this
year, is, is this the end for Boone?
And I believe that it will be. And I would believe that at
that. And I will say at that point,
Aaron Boone had a long enough run.
Now, this is where you're going to think that I'm parsing words.
But I'd be OK with the I want to see what they hire.
All right? But I just don't think that he
was ever given a championship roster.
I just don't. And that goes into my feeling
about never really underachieving and never like
woefully or radically falling short of what I expected the
Yankees to be based on pre season projections and then how
they finished up the year. Like if I'm sitting here for 9
years saying, oh, the Yanks gonna, which I never did.
I'm a, I'm a realist with the Yankees.
Like I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not a Yankee fanboy.
I'm just not, I want them to win.
Everybody knows I'm a Yankee fan, but you know, I'm a realist
here and I I don't think the Yankees are a World Series team
right now. The one asterisk, they're the
one caveat would be what I think their pitching staff could grow
into. That excites me for sure.
But the Yankees gonna have a rough time winning a lot of
games early. I mean, unless Aaron Judge
carries them or Grisham gets off to the start that he did a year
ago or whatever they do offensively.
I mean, you're rolling out basically 60% of the time.
Couple of guys taking the baseball every fifth day.
Good luck. I mean, I'm not even sure the
bullpens that great. There are some young arms that I
love, but you still got to see it come to fruition at this
level. So I think navigating the first
two months of the season, like if the Yankees are 18 and 17, I
mean, is that a boom thing or is that because they don't have
Roldan and they don't have Gary Cole yet?
Or you know, Louis Hill isn't what I know.
He hit 97 1/2 on the gun yesterday, which was good.
The the Velos coming back a little bit for heel.
I don't, I don't love heel. I don't I don't trust heel, but
I'm still optimistic. I I guess I'm hopeful, but I'm,
I'm not as bullish on Louis Hill as some as you.
Some of you are. I like will Warren, but he's a
young kid. You know, he's going to be
pitching a lot. I I love Cam Schlittler Season
2. You know, do you believe in a
sophomore jinx? I don't necessarily believe in
that because I think there's ways to work around it by doing
your homework and making the adjustments that the league is
about to make to you and on you, you know, the so almost
preemptively having those adjustments ready based on the
expectation of what you put on tape last year and what the rest
of the league's gonna try to do. So I that's just how I feel.
Yeah. I'm sorry about that.
You know, I'm, you know, I mean, I, I don't this notion that
Aaron Boone is a bad manager is honestly a crock of shit.
It really is. I don't think it's with
justification. I don't think it's accurate.
Now also, Aaron Boone or anybody does not deserve a job for life.
Boone knows it. I know it.
He said it, I said it. So as long as I say that, I
don't see how I'm saying it both ways or having it both ways as
as that last text implied, I don't really say that.
I don't see that BT your thoughts on Mark DeRosa mark
ever being considered for the for Boone's job?
Coach Mike from great kills Y'all Mike, what's up, Mike?
You never got back to me. I thought there was something.
I think you have my number. I know we DMI thought I gave you
my phone number. You asked me, if I'm not
mistaken, to maybe go out there and speak to the Staten Island
Little. It's a great, it is a great old
school. I love it.
To me, it's like, not that I like Fenway.
I mean, I love Fenway, but I don't, I don't like the Red Sox.
To me, it's like a little Fenway Park or or a little Wriggly
Field. Great kills where my son's at
all the time is. It's right in the middle of a
neighborhood. They got the best concession
stand out. There's no doubt.
So, so hit me up if that's still in play there to come and speak
to the kids. You know that I that I would be
up for that if I can make it fit myself.
I know the season's starting, so maybe that window passed
already, but I love Derosa. Derosa was actually in play I
believe. When they right when they no,
not for, but was it the Mets job or was it when they hired Boone?
It may have been when they hired Boone.
I think Mark DeRosa is phenomenal.
I love that he's managing Team USAI.
Love him on MLB Network. He's a New Jersey Bergen
Catholic. I'm pretty sure it was Bergen.
It was a Catholic school. It wasn't Seton Hall Prep and
it's not Dale Barton and it's not DePaul.
It's not, I'm almost positive that it's Bergen Catholic, you
know, play football, play to Penn was a great football
player. Yeah.
He's just, he's a, he's a dude, right?
I love him and I love when he talks hitting.
I could watch him on that screen on TV, you know, with either
Sean Casey or Ripken or whomever's up there.
Harold Reynolds. They do a phenomenal.
I, I also geek out to that stuff, like I love that stuff.
His approach to hitting is phenomenal and I think his
presentation is great. He's a local dude who knows how
to deal with people. So I don't think he'd be
overwhelmed by the media. I don't know.
He wouldn't be overwhelmed. I think he'd be great with the
media and I, I just don't know how much he wants to manage.
I really don't. I think he said I'd have to
double because I, I asked him this.
Sam and I did a couple of shows at, at MLB Network.
We did it twice to kick off the the start of the baseball
season. And it was also, I remember the
first one. Sal always laughs.
He's like, it's funny. You guys think that Sal's nuts,
right? He's really not like, I don't
want to say that I'm nuts. It's it's kind of crazy.
But like he, he is a little nuts on the air, I guess, and so am
I. But he always, he's like, dude,
he's like, I don't know. I don't, I'd rather him say it.
But like, I just walk in somewhere and I just make things
happen. And he's a little bit more in
the cut, kind of like laying in the weeds.
Like when we did the show at MLB Network, I watch it on on TV all
the time. And they've got that little tiny
stadium, Jackie Robinson Stadium, right?
Studio 42. And we go, there's a couple of
years ago, me, Sam and Hop. We get there nice and early and
I'm like, look at that. They've got dugouts, They got
helmets with all the teams. They got real bats.
They got buckets of Wiffle balls and and Wiffle bats.
I'm like, let's go, let's play. He's like, I don't know.
I'm like I'm I'm hitting. I mean, hopefully somebody's
going to throw to me. I'm taking BP and and Harold
Reynolds wound up coming in and we had Harold on the air and
Derosa and he was throwing me BP and I was just.
I mean, it's a wiffle ball. He's kind of floating in there
tagging it all over the yard. Absolutely awesome.
But Sal always laughs at that. He's like you just not, you're
not shy at all. Like to to ask for something or
want something. Yeah, you know that that's
that's kind of the way I am. So we had the Rosa on and I
think that he said that he lives in Atlanta.
I believe he told us that because the sun's a really good
player doing the club baseball scene.
I think I think more coaches them.
So I, I, I don't know where he is in life and I'm certainly not
looking to get rid of Aaron Boone, but I think at some point
I think somebody's going to give the Rose a job if he wants it.
But that's why I preface all that with the Sun and
everything. Like to be a base, I need to do
anything in pro sports. I give you a football coach,
man. It's all it's it's just all
year, the combine, the draft, the OTAs through the season, the
grind, you know, same if you're GM, you never stop.
You might get a month off to chill for a minute.
You know, baseball, you're gone April through, if you're lucky,
late October, early November. I mean, forget about April,
middle of February because I remember, you know, talking to
Boonie and, and this was, this was early February and he's
like, yeah, I'm going down to Tampa in like two or three days
like April 3rd to set up and organizational meetings and all
that stuff. It's basically a 9 or 10 month a
year job. Now, Aaron's kids are older, you
know it, it's a lifestyle. You're always traveling, you're
always moving, you're always doing that stuff.
You know, I don't know if it's for everybody, but, you know,
whether it's here or elsewhere, to me, the Rosa would be a an
absolutely phenomenal choice and he's a great baseball man.
I really do. Let me get at withdrew.
Why is that not popping up? There we go.
Cashman's essentially A Steinbrenner.
I just don't see him being jettisoned ever.
I agree with that. And that's a big problem.
Yeah, I do agree with that. So I mean that when there's a
level of comfort, guy, Jay, I didn't get that off, but I think
we clicked on at the same time. Thank you.
When there's such a level of comfort, even guys, I got news
for you, even like on the radio. Let me give you a little hint or
on TV when people have, you know, multi multi long term
contracts and be kind of comfortable.
That grind goes away for for some, not for everybody.
And I always use I always use this as you know, me and Sal
both love Rocky. We, I always use the Rocky
analogy, like think about Rocky when he's trying to come up.
He's fighting it like in the, in the Catholic Church in the like
Friday nights against the, you know, a bunch of meatheads and,
you know, banging back Marlboros.
And, you know, he's hanging out with loan sharks and mafia guys
and he's wearing the leather jacket and he's just scrapping
and scraping that is desperate to get out of his personal hell.
I mean, otherwise, I remember his apartment with buckets.
It was, it was not exactly a nice studio on the Upper West
Side overlooking Central Park. You know, that was early Rocky,
you know, fighting, grinding Mickey.
And then Rocky made a few bucks. And then Rocky got the
motorcycle. And then Rocky got the mansion.
And then Rocky got his face kicked in by Clover.
Why? Because Rocky lost his edge.
And that's the genesis of of Eye of the Tiger.
Weird. Oh my God, I could talk.
I could watch Rocky all day. I could talk about Rocky all
day. And and Rocky, you know, I
remember when he was training for the first club or Lang fight
and Mickey's like, what are we doing here?
Like they got balloons and they he's training publicly and they
got like the violinist, you know, doing the music, the Rocky
music and he's taking pictures and Adrian gets a little pissed
off because he gets a Peck on the cheek from some hottie.
He's not working hard because he got to, he already, everything
that he fought for got to, you know, and then when it was taken
away, he was able to dig back in and get there.
And you either have that mentality or you don't.
And I think I was like, boom. I don't think he's ever lost
that. So you know that that's a,
that's a, that's just basically my way of incorporating Rocky
into any conversation. J Rod, what's going on, buddy?
How you feeling today? You all right there, buddy?
What's up? What's up?
Feeling great, Feeling good. Speaking of Rocky, right behind
you, the boxy. I know I mentioned that before.
It's good. Who is that?
Is that just a random? Yeah, I think it's just a random
print like based on. I don't think it's a real
painting. Yeah, it can't be because
there's 2 white guys fighting. I mean if let's be honest, if
you got 2 white guys boxing, it's probably not the most
interesting boxing. That no, it's 1920s when they're
going, hey. What it got here?
Come on, taking out my rings. Are sad.
Yeah, and they got like a couple beer stains on the wife
protector. Yeah, wife protector.
Good, good usage. Good switch out.
Yeah, I always used to say that, and I never say that anymore.
Yeah, Good Wife Protector. I'm gonna steal that.
No, it's a good one. I, I, I think I just like heard
it in school one time. I thought it was funny.
It's. The exact opposite, actually.
If you think exactly no, there you go.
What else is? I had like a concept.
I had a thought last night, maybe I'll I'll try to look
through, but I was like, I want to give back to the unleashed
fam. I want to I want to do a little
segment maybe on Fridays where I compile the funniest comments
from the week. We throw them up, we react to
it. I've got a call.
I love it. I think you do hilarious.
I love it dude. Nice, where do you use your
head? I like it.
So give me like 10-5 minutes. I'll try to, I'll try to just
get the screenshots up for them. But yeah, I was thinking about
that. I think that would be so fun.
I think it's great. I think it's a great way to be
proactive. There you go.
How awesome was it now? We had Sal on.
Sal was the 1st guest. How great was it having Kay on
yesterday? I mean, it wasn't.
He was just, it was great. It was sensational and I feel
like my thing, I think it really, you know, not to get too
metal with the conversation talking about the show, but I
just really feel like it felt so natural, you know, obviously the
back and forth going on between you 2 and I really just think,
you know, you did a great job hitting the poignant questions,
you know, giving him his proper time as a host.
Cuz I mean, listen, I've worked on a lot of podcasts and by this
point I know who's a good interviewer at this point and
who's not. And like, you know, you clearly
showed the chops in that regard. And it, it felt very different
from the BT and Sal, obviously, because you had that rapport
before. This time it felt like, you
know, it just felt really fresh and it felt like, you know, a
great step, a great new element to the channel.
Well said buddy Bear. Look at J Rod.
I am like a brown Papa. Look at this young man starts to
shine. You're you.
You know what, I, I appreciate you saying that because I'd
rather somebody else say it rather than me.
I just don't think that because that just sounds cocky.
I don't think a lot of people know or now, I mean, now they do
how long Michael, when I go back, obviously working together
all those years, but I was at Michael's wedding, like I went
to his wedding and he was invited.
Now we got married down in Boca, right?
And he was invited to our wedding, but he couldn't come
because it was October, because my wife had to get married.
Had to on 10/10/10 is when we got married, October 10, 2010.
Yeah. And I'm like, there's this
little thing called Yankee playoff baseball here.
Honeywell, you know what we doing at that point?
The Jets were good. Yeah.
I had a lot going on. But, you know, and then we went
on vacation. We went on, on our on our
honeymoon to Costa Rica. So I remember watching Yankee
playoff games in Costa Rica. But Michael, Michael couldn't
come. That was the point.
Yeah. He's, he's a great guy, man.
I I think that, you know, the more, the more I do this, it's
really my goal to, you know, get people to see the other side.
Like everybody knows Kay's the voice, the Yankees.
No shit. You've heard him on the radio
for 20 years and on TV for 20 years.
Let's get to some other stuff. I've never heard that story
about his dad, you know, when somebody was making fun of him
on the terrace, Go down and fight him otherwise.
And these are Kay's Kay's words. If you missed it, hey, if you
don't go downstairs and beat the shit out of him, I'm going to
come over there and beat the shit out of you.
And it wasn't and and and I and Michael, the way Michael said
it, it was great because number one, it was like, wow, I never
really you don't hear Mike. I mean, I have off off the air,
but you don't really hear Michael talk like that very
much. And and also he said there were
two choices and I said, no, no, there's three.
Go downstairs, get whacked, stay upstairs, get whacked.
And not that his dad would have, you know, like given him a black
eye, but point understood. Or you go downstairs and you
instead of doing the wacking, you get your ass kicked.
But a step toward, you know, defending yourself.
And I was just a great, great story, man.
I really, really enjoyed that. Let me get this up there.
Where was it? Let me slap this guy up for you.
This is interesting. I got a lot of this yesterday as
well. If offered, would you go back to
ESPN New York as Michael's Co host?
I think the chemistry between you 2 was gold.
Now, all right, a couple of things.
First of all, I, I don't think Michael's looking for a Co host.
Number one, he's doing 2 hours a day.
I think it's something that suits him.
I think if Michael wanted to still have a Co host, I think
that he would clearly still be working with Don now.
Now he loves Don, but part of it was to get away from like the
just the the logistics to shorten the day and instead of
doing a bunch of hours, do 2 hours so we could rest up before
the Yankee games. And he does a bunch of shows
from home outside of once a week when he drives in.
Listen, I am of the mindset what I don't want anybody to think
because this will not happen. We're going to hit eat.
We're going to hit 18,000 Subs probably by tomorrow and
certainly by Saturday. We're at we're going to fly by
20,000 Subs by first pitch. Opening day lock going to
happen. 25,000 is going to be a bit ambitious, which I'd love to
get there by opening day. All right, maybe we don't, but
we're going to be well past 20,000.
Every moment of my day is spent on this show thinking we're
doing all right. So I don't want anybody to think
that has come here to support me and elevate me and embrace me
and follow me and doing what you're doing to help us get to a
pretty healthy number very soon, very fast.
To think that I'm just doing this to hold, to hold the seat
at the table until somebody comes and offers me a job.
I'm just, that's not what I'm doing.
This will never go away. All right?
I will do this no matter what. Now, I will also say if somebody
called and I've, I've already had people reach out about a lot
of things. I was on the phone yesterday
with somebody that I won't divulge, but and I think that
will come to fruition. In addition to this, obviously
separate from this clearly, because this is here to stay.
I am so excited about this and so energized and, and just
galvanized by a YouTube presence and possibility.
Like, I, I almost feel like I'm, I'm new in the business.
I I can't explain it man. I mean, I, I totally feel you.
And it's like, I think when you have your own YouTube show like
this, you put yourself into that cultural and that sport
zeitgeist in such a fresh and new way where you're like,
you're building yourself like you are your own entity is its
own entity. It's separate from any company,
any overhanging umbrella. This is the umbrella.
And now you're building the things underneath that.
And I think that's what's exciting about having a YouTube
channel is the fact that it's your own and it's a way where
you can really make your mark in the universe.
Yeah, there's no question. Again, well said on the money
there, Jay. So, you know, just answer it
more directly. If somebody called like that,
would I listen 100%? I don't think Michael wants a Co
host. I don't think they're looking
for anybody. I think this applies for me.
I think this applies for J Rod. I think this applies for all of
you out there. You could be completely
entrenched in something and happy and diligent and busy and
fulfilled. And if there's a way to add to
that, you take the call and you have the conversation.
I mean, I learned that day one. Of course it's common sense.
Here's a good question. What if Stephen A asked you to
be his VP running mate? Would you leave us for that?
Oh boy, it. Depends on what side of the
ticket he's going to run for. I OK, a few people have asked me
that and I'm we're going to have Steven on the show.
I can't wait, you know, much like I couldn't wait to have
Michael on. I think that Steven conversation
is going to be equally amazing and completely different because
while I I've known Michael forever, I actually did a show
with Steven and the conversation's off the air.
As a matter of fact now he's since moved.
I was at his house couple days like 2 years ago just sitting
down bullshitting. I'm just so happy for him and
he's just, he's amazing. Like there is nobody in the
sporting landscape that could touch him.
And the fact that we've had this friendship, but it's never
dissipated. Even when I went to San
Francisco or you know, when I went to do the national stuff
with Tiki for 10 years or the fan or, you know, there was a
lot of stuff that was going to the point where, and I know, I
know you guys don't know this, but I will tell you this.
I remember going to have a personal tryout with Stephen A
for first Take like they were looking.
Yeah, I didn't get it. I didn't get it for whatever
reason. I'm not sure.
And Max did a good job and and I know that, you know, Max and
Steven maybe didn't go toward the end the way that whatever.
But and I I I know Steven a great.
I know Max a little bit. I got love for Max.
Nothing bad to say. Max talented guy, smart guy.
I think very different debate styles, which I I I think was,
was, which probably was never going to lead to the longevity
that maybe some people thought it would.
But I remember going to an undis this undisclosed spot in
Manhattan and actually sitting in a little room with Steven and
doing a fake first take show like.
And that was because Steven thought that I was talented
enough and he desired he respected me.
I could definitely to to possibly get that job.
I can see it. Well, I mean, I mean, it's gonna
happen now. So I don't know if you sure she
might. It didn't happen.
I didn't get the job. Man, well, I'll send.
You a fucking millionaire right now?
I will yo big millions upon millionaires.
I would be I'd. Be sad, listen, maybe you could
come and revive first. Take Now, Come through, Revive
the show. Yeah, well, I mean, listen, I'm
open anything. Is there something like that?
You know, I will tell you this, right?
I remember then I want to get some mixed stuff and I got some
other stuff for you as well. I remember going into the city
and doing it with Steven, right? And I remember talking, I
remember him calling me a few times like, hey, you know, this
might happen and we're going to get you in.
And then his producer called me all that stuff.
And, you know, I, I never put that out there for public
consumption because. And maybe that hurt me in terms
of getting a little bit more notoriety and a little bit more
popularity. Just like when I had lunch with
Mike Francesa when Mad Dog left, I told my agent, don't put that
out there. So I, there were a couple times
where I don't know, maybe if I would have played it
differently, who knows? But in everything happens for a
reason and I'm, I'm totally happy and fulfilled and
energized. But you know, if you look at
some of the names that Francesa was thinking about bringing in,
you know, Bill Simmons was 1, Max was another, was it Sid?
It may have been Sid. And and I was, I was in the mix
a little bit. So I just never, I didn't talk
out of school. So I always kept that stuff to
myself. But I remember leaving and
getting on the ferry because we lived in on the right, right
across the water. So I take the ferry across the
New Jersey and I'm never stopping at a bar.
I never drink during the day. Like I, I mess around that, hey,
have a Scotch or mess around, have a gummy, like I'll have my
fun here and there. I never drink, never during the
week, ever, ever, ever. And I remember stopping in a bar
and and getting a Scotch and I was so disappointed.
I knew I didn't get it. I just, I knew it.
And you know, this was a long time ago.
This was well over 10 years. And I think what I did was I
deferred too much because the dynamics, this emerging massive
colossal Titan of, of industry superstar.
And I wasn't intimidated because I knew him.
It's not like I never met the guy.
And I'm like, Jesus, guy's out of his mind.
I knew his style and I, I knew his sisters.
I, I, you know, I, I knew family like I knew him.
We were friends for sure. But like when the camera went
on, I, I felt like I wasn't me. And if I, who knows, if I would
have been a little bit more me, would I have gotten the job?
Maybe not, you know, maybe they were just looking for something
for not. I don't, I don't know, I don't
know what into the what, what went into the full rationale of
bring in Max and, and, and not giving me a chance.
And, and listen, Max did well on the show.
The numbers were good, very good.
But I remember and I just sipping that Scotch, calling my
wife. I'm like, I don't think I got
it. I, I don't love the way I did
today. I really, cuz I'm honest, like
I'm honest about that to me, like I'm not going to live in
fairy tale land like oh, some people in my business, I can't
stand this. Some people are they're like,
oh, great show great. You know how I feel about the
word great. I'm very protective.
All right, So you know, my, my wife couldn't hear how couldn't
wait to hear how I did. I think was she pregnant?
I don't even know. I think she was pregnant.
I don't think we had kids yet and I'm just like, I don't and I
was really depressed. Depressed is strong really down
because my it's like that quarterback clock, like when you
know, you kill it. You just like I knew not to
sound like an ass. I knew the the interview with
KS. It was going great.
I can feel that the vibe, the energy, the flow, the content,
his level of comfort make you know how how we interacted.
I knew it was a money spot largely because of him.
I'm not even taking credit for that.
But I also knew like in a situation like that, I'm like, I
think I fucked up. I don't think I got and I
didn't. Dang.
Yeah. And if I did, you wouldn't know
me, J Rod. So, you know, you should be
happy. Well, you know me, but you
wouldn't know me. Know me?
Yeah, I know you from from you from from like my childhood
YouTube watching days. It's like I think that's, you
know, like first take was really at its, you know, big popularity
in like that 2016 through 2019 era.
I mean you know, now obviously it's still got its traction as
ESP NS main show, but I don't know if it has the same
cultural. Boom, it doesn't.
It did. When Max Kellerman was going
Iguodala like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know those. Were that was, you know, that
was it and like, I don't know, especially like the Skip and
Shannon era was huge. See, that's why I think that
what we're doing here is so great because this is the next
era in sports media. It really is.
I know this more, you know, laid back kind of rogue, early Rogan
esque like type of podcasting where you're where you're kind
of just shooting the shit, shooting the shit with the fans
too. At the same time, I really think
that is the new meta, the new schema.
I've got to keep that up there because I'm going to.
I had a hysterical story that I'm going to give you some on in
a minute, Omar. I remember that well, I've got a
I've got a challenge for you and I don't know what amount we can
talk about it off the air. If you deliver on this
challenge, you'll you'll get you get a little bonus.
I don't take this the wrong way. I don't think you'll be able to
do it. I think you'll fail.
Not not a lack of effort because I don't think that he'll view me
as interesting enough. Get me on Rogan show.
All right, we're going to have
to do that. We're going to have to start
getting some hot takes thrown out here, I mean.
But I'm not a hot no, no. I had to go through that stuff
for a minute with, with with the fan for the audio.
Come on, get the opinions out in 10 seconds.
Everybody's got to know. I love Spike, but you got to
know where you stand. Come on.
We got to debate, we got to fight.
Not that every throw out hot takes from said somebody believe
it. No hot takes here, no.
I'm trying to think and, and he's not the kind of guy who
loves that either. And I think, you know, I mean,
I, I was a bigger fan of him a couple years ago too, but I
think you and him would have a great dynamic, a great
conversation. I think both of you are two guys
who are very, you don't care about forcing your opinion on
someone necessarily. You care about just hearing what
the other person thinks, letting it, letting it fly.
Can I tell you something? Can I can I tell you something?
All right, so you got to get on that So and and keep that up,
Omar. I promise I'll hit that You you
guys are going to want to hear this story about Stephen A on
the golf course. I'll give you a good one.
You've got to do this and the level of diligence and not
taking no for an answer has to be at an all time high.
You must be a persistent pain in the ass pest.
Somebody clip this get this to I love Joe Rogan show.
I don't agree with everything he says, you know, and some of the
things he talks about, I, I, I really couldn't even add any
depth to like, I mean, I, I, I follow everything about the
world, but I mean, his level of knowledge is, is incredible and
his level of conversation is off the charts phenomenal, right?
So it will be an honor to fly out there and do the show.
I would even pay for it myself. Like I would even pay my, I
really would. I would pay my own dime and get
my own accommodations and, and go to go out there and hang out
with him. I really would.
And The funny thing is too, you talk about like conversation and
the art of doing an interview. That was one of the hardest
things for me to learn as a young broadcaster.
When you're, when you're a young broadcaster and you know, your
dad, don't take this the wrong way, anybody, your dad's not in
the business. So doors aren't held open for
you. Kind of again, like that Rocky
mentality and you got to, and Sal has this as well.
You got to fight and scratch and claw for everything that you get
in this. It is hard, dude.
It the, the grind and being piss poor and moving around the
country, never knowing, believing, but never really
knowing. It's going to work and I'm going
to go back to New York and I'm going to make it like it is.
It's exhausting. It's exhilarating.
It's it, it's worry. So you name it.
It's, it's everything. And the hardest thing for me to
learn was to shut the hell up. And I'll tell you what I mean by
that. Not when I'm doing a monologue
or, you know, banging it out with callers when I would have a
guest on the art of asking a question as you get older,
number one, you have to listen to their answer.
Otherwise your follow up question will be a waste of
time. And I remember like when I first
started out, like I'd have like 10 things written down and like
I would just kind of zip through them.
But yet if they give you a really interesting answer to the
first question, it opens up a dialogue to have to go
somewhere. That might be the best part of
the conversation. Yeah, That gets all the clicks
and gets all the pub and all that stuff.
So. But when you're really young and
you try to prove to program directors and your peers that
you're worthy of this spot, certainly in New York, you just
don't shut up. And I had a tendency to ask a
lot of questions, right? Well, I mean to ask a question,
but lace my question with opinion.
I'm going to give you an example.
SO20003456 maybe even 8/10/2010 11:12 PT would ask a question
and say, let's say I'm talking to Aaron Boone.
You know, I'm going to take Michael K as an example.
Hey, hey, listen, Mike, you know, so So what do you think if
things don't go and I asked this question, if things don't go
well for Boone this year, what do you think about his job
security? And I and I and I laid out right
that you actually saw the clip live, right?
We played it for you earlier and you actually see me shut up like
like you like a seasoned host and listen to his answer, right.
Back in the day, what you would have gotten was and I would just
diarrhea the mouth. Hey, hey, Mike, you know, if
things go sideways, you know contracts up in 2027 if the
Yankees don't do XY and Z this year, do you think this will be
the end of Boone as the manager? And then instead of laying out,
I would say, because let's face it, you know, he's had almost 10
years to get it done. And even though Brian Cashman
hasn't done a great job and you know where I stand on Brian
Cashman, they haven't had enough left-handed hitters and they
haven't had a first baseman or a catcher or whatever it might be
or they haven't really had a third baseman Volpe's.
But it like you, you mangle the question with 37,000 opinions
and the people who are what true.
I, I was so guilt. I was terrible at that.
I had to get better at that. And people who are listening and
watching, they're like, what's the question?
And it's even happened to me and I would never name names because
it's and they're younger and it's all out of respect.
Like when I go on shows and they're doing some people do
what I used to do, I'm saying to myself, let's go, hurry up, man,
come on, answer the ask the question because I know what it
sounds like. So I would I don't even know how
we got into that, but I think it was one of the texts there.
I think that oh, the Rogan stuff.
I think it's and I think that he's great at that.
And I think it's an art. You talk about the art of
communication. It's one thing to espouse what
you believe and presented in a clear, bold, compelling way, but
you got to be able to listen. All right, let me get my Stephen
A story up here. This is Omar, right?
All right, so I remember when Stephen A came on your show on
1050 back in 2010. All right, this was after we, we
had already worked together and, and, and at the golf story where
he was asking you if you should use the three word from the Sam
bunker. Holy shit.
I've never seen anything like this in my life.
So the, the golf course was New York Country Club.
All right, We used to have a relationship there when I was at
10:50 where I I think it was like $50,000 worth of free golf
and I'm taking my buddies there every single weekend and I'm
just signing my name. BT you know, I had three
friends, whatever, just my buddies college, like my best
friend, nobody in the industry, like I'm not there for work.
Dan Robbo, Maddie, Danny Mad, another Frank, right Scott and
I'm just signing away. It's 460 bucks.
Sure, I'll sign. We'll go play some golf boys,
right. So that's the course that we
played and Stephen A and I would talk about golf a lot on the on
the show and he'd never played right.
I was trying to get him out. So I purposely pick a time and
not that I was great, but I I, I at least knew how to play.
I picked the time. I think we went out on a Sunday
at like, or it could have even been a weekday, but it was like
it 5:00 and we teed off and I purposely looked at the T sheet,
all that stuff. Wide open Country Club.
So it wasn't that cheap, you know, So what it was like it was
a beauty. No disrespect.
I love some muties, but it was empty.
So we go on the first tee box and it was an elevated par 4.
It it played, it was really downhill and it played about,
you know, 290. So young me is going up there
with my driver or when I was really hitting the ball well, I
would try to crush the three hybrid of a little downwind.
And a lot of times we we'd make the green and there was a body
of water right in front of it. Maybe you go along, maybe you
bang it right, maybe for as a lefty, maybe I push it left, but
I will chip on. That's how it always play the
1st hole. So we're on the 1st hole and I
got drive her my hand. He's like, BT I'll be right
back. I'll be right back, all right.
I swear to God, I'm waiting 10 minutes.
I'm like, where the fuck did this guy go?
There's nobody, nobody around. He goes in the pro shop, he
comes out eating a hot dog, right?
And he's got these Argyle golf socks on, right?
And he goes something along the lines of I may, I may.
Oh, yeah. How in his voice.
I look, I look like Tiger Woods right up until I step on the
first team. Oh, no, I, I look, I look like
Tiger Woods when I step up to the team box until I take that
first swing he's got. He didn't have Vickers on, but
he had, I don't know what he was wearing.
Dude, it was absolutely wild. So I'm like, where were you,
man? Come on, we got to go.
It's gay. I'm going to play 18.
The sun's going to come down. I won't play golf.
Let's go. The whole time he's on his
phone. Now I understand why he had he's
he's a mega star. It was with us.
Who knows how many girls he was talking to, but a lot of it was
was business because I mean, he was single at the time and he
had just launched a quite frankly show.
He was already a superstar. So I get it.
There were a lot of demands. But 10-12 minutes later he comes
out of the clubhouse. I'm like, dude, where, where
were you? And he's like, well, he's like,
you know, some people wanted my autograph.
I'm like, I didn't see anybody there.
Nobody was around and go, hey, true story.
He goes, they might not want your autograph, but they wanted
mine. I'm like, Nah, touché, fair
enough. So I guess some people come out
of the kitchen or the pro shop and then he'd buy any shit.
We get to the 2nd hole after that downhill one.
And you know, I mean, trust me, I could easily take it 9 on many
holes, which I'm sure I will this summer.
And then I'll just pick up and keep it moving.
Open a beer. He is in a not a not a fairway
bunker, mind you. He is in a greenside bunker.
Greenside. Get the wedge out now.
It might take you 10 swings. You're going to get sand.
You might skull one out that goes 100 yards.
You might get lucky and plop one on the green.
If you get lucky, it stays. There's a lot of things that can
happen there. I could not believe now I was, I
think I was sitting, I had a good drive.
I was sitting like 1 and I but I pulled it like then I was always
there. So like I have a wedge so I can
kind of at that point easily go over the trees to try to get
there too. He's sitting like 6 or 7 in the
green side bunker, maybe higher again, maybe 9 and I hear him
yell across the court across the whole so he's on the left hand
green, left side, green side bunker.
I am about probably hit at about 270 ish 265 I'm getting ready to
hit my second wedge all the way on the on the right on the other
fairway getting ready to come. So we're we're a ways away and
all I hear is go BTBT. What should I use the three
wood? I go, what the fuck is this guy
talking about? A three wood.
I I go and I yell I go no use the wedge.
I didn't really even know what a wedge is.
So of course, you know, I didn't even think I hit it on the
green, but a little bit short. Now I got the cart and I put it
up and I'm getting ready to chip on and putt and whatever and
he's still in the fairway hacking away.
He's literally 9 feet from the cup but he's in a bunker trying
to get out with the three wood. That's the only time I've ever
played golf with Stephen AI. Can't wait to have him on the
show. J Rod.
How about that? Dude, that is too funny because
I've seen the the clip of you guys on 1050, I think talking
about the golfing or whatever. Like I think just like, you
know, whenever I started this, I just went through like the
YouTube rabbit hole of you and his show and that was so it was
too funny. There is there is some video of
us, but now I think the one where is he wearing a suit in
it. He always had a lot of suits on
because he was. Is a suit you have a backwards
hat on. Yes, OK.
That was when I got my own show and I was doing middays and he
had moved on I think did the station, the station 1 of I
think they may have moved on from him, which is insane.
And he was like doing some, he was doing like stuff on WABC,
like after Sean Hannity doing a lot of TV and he came in as a
guest. He did me a solid.
So the I know the video that you're talking about.
I do know the video that you're talking about and he's there all
suited up. That's that is out there has a
lot of fun talking to him. So we'll get him up.
All right, So how about that golf story, though?
Yo, BTBT, what do I use the three words?
No, you knucklehead. Do you have a sandwich in your
bag? All right, so the Knicks last
night, I'm not going to run through the because you either
watched it or you didn't. Knicks lost by three.
You know, I will give you a couple little snippets from the
game, but I want to do a little bit more big picture here.
The approach has got to be better.
I mean, I know that cats taking some heat.
Certainly for me. I've also been fair in talking
about cats been playing a lot better. 17 points, 17 rebounds,
fouled out, bullshit foul. I didn't like that call.
Mike Brown got teed up. Mike Brown's first tech of the
year. How do you coach 60 games and
not have a single tech? Like that's a problem to me, you
know, and that I just need a little bit more.
I don't need, you know, like with the 9 ejections.
But can you have 3 techs by game #60 can you have a little bit of
energy? You just, I, I'm going to need
and that's not who he is. So it's not going to come.
But he did get teed up last night when Jalen got hit in the
face with, with Jay Gill. Gill just Alexander in the eye
got the black eye that was that was an egregious missed by the
refs. Anyway, the I think it's safe to
say here again, more macro on the Knicks and less about the
game. It was a fun game.
Chabot was great. You know, the Knicks starters to
a man did not play well. Again, when you look at some of
the plus minuses OG heart bridge, they were all, you know,
negative plus minuses. Alvarado had a horrendous one,
but Chabot was really good and and and Cat had 17 rebounds, as
I said, But forget about all that stuff.
I was thinking about this. I just jotted down maybe an
order at the top and then I kind of just breezed through it here.
The top ten NBA teams, obviously the Knicks are in there.
I'm going to push them to the side for a minute because many
of you are like, well, dude, they got a chance, man.
They got a chance and and I know that they have a chance.
I don't think they have a great chance to win the championship.
I'm on the record with that. But of course they've got a
chance because they're one of the X amount of better teams and
I'll define that X in a minute. But top ten NBA teams, no order.
This is my order. OK, C Spurs, you know, 1-2
Pistons are up there Celtics, the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves,
Denver give the Rockets a little bit love and you know, and and
if now as I look to wedge in the Knicks in their rightful spot
456 in that window. All right, so first match up
with OKC they like so so last night very tight game could have
won. We know, OK, CS better
champions, better, better roster, better store player.
Alexander's just better than Brunson.
He's pretty much better than everybody.
Maybe in a year or two, Kate Cunningham truly jumps past him,
maybe as a young guard, but he's that good.
You know, obviously, Luca, OK, C Spurs.
Now, the Knicks have played very well against the Spurs.
So if they get to an NBA Finals, again, I'm not banking on this.
But if they do, I would feel pretty good about the Knicks and
their chances to beat the Spurs. The Pistons.
I think the Pistons own them. I think the Knicks are a little
intimidated by the Pistons. And if you think that that's
unfair to the Knicks, OK, which I can see some of you saying, I
would then at least say that. I think the Pistons look at the
Knicks and they think that they own them.
So if you don't want to get at least consent or or give me
that, the Knicks are a little bit whatever when they face the
Pistons. The Pistons do not look at the
Knicks as a real threat. They pushed him around a year
ago. They lost a tight, tough series,
young team only more seasoned, better coach in Bickerstaff,
better store player Cunningham over Brunson.
That's going to ruffle some feathers, but he's better,
better players, tougher. You know, we'll see.
But at least the Knicks beat them last year and then in the
Pistons premier, a top three NBA team.
So you got a chance obviously. I think if things change too, at
least have a chance to beat the Pistons in the seven game
series. Pistons, I think would be
favored homecourt, slightly better team, whatever the
Celtics all right, Tatum's back. Tatum's going to be back.
We know what happened a year ago.
Knicks didn't play well against the Celtics.
Playoff start Bridges blocking shots at the horn Knicks winning
in Boston Knicks for the big upset.
Knicks could beat the Celtics in the playoff series and they
could beat the Cavaliers as well.
So they could win. I think like last night, if they
would have lost, say, excuse me, 119 to one O 1.
All right, you know, 127 to 98 like what's going on here, But
that didn't happen. So you know, I'm I'm not
changing my ultimate view on what the Knicks could become and
what they could do this year. But I'm I'm adding a little
context that in the grand scheme of the NBA, obviously a little
bit more Nick centric on this channel on this show.
And when you are more eccentric and you focus on one thing, the
tendency is to illuminate the bed.
That's just the way of of the world when we do what we do
here, right? Because think about this guys.
When you watch a team every night, you tend to, I mean,
unless they're just like Jordan's Bulls or the 98 Yankees
or, you know, Walsh's 49ers or Brady and Belichick's Pats, like
one of those Birds, Celtics, Lakers, Magic Magics, Lakers.
You know, you, I think you, you are Uber critical of the
deficiencies. And that's kind of what you tend
to, you know, poke at and, and worry about and about and you
kind of gloss over the good, right?
And I think I'm probably a little guilty of that with the
Knicks this year. Now, my ultimate assessment is
still they're not good enough to win a championship.
And at this point, that's all I want.
I'm not interested in getting to the Eastern Conference finals
and losing. That means nothing.
I mean, granted, if you take another step and you get to the
finals and you lose to the Spurs or the OR the the Thunder and
it's really or Denver even and it's really competitive all
right, you got to the NBA Finals.
What's the what's the final tweak to get you over the hump?
That would be a fun run. But anything short of getting
there is just an underachievement.
And that's why don't Mike Brown has all the pressure in the
world and I don't think he's a championship coach.
I never did. So I don't think the Knicks
going to win anything this year, but they, I, I think the
ultimate downfall here. Nothing has changed in my
ultimate, ultimate evaluation of these Knicks like Brunson, and
there's a few. Mike Brown to me is not an
elite. He's a good coach, he's a
quality coach, he's a fine coach.
He's not championship coach. Problem number one problem #2
the Knicks 2 best players, even though Katz been playing much
better, much better, much, much better defense, even whether
it's on ball weak side help much better defense for the last
month or so. And the numbers back that up.
And the Knicks is a team defensively or top ten in that
rating. So they they've done a better
job as well. So they've kind of worked around
the deficiencies of Kat and Brunson, but they're two best
players historically or atrocious defenders.
Problem #2 And then you get to, you know, and this I have
glossed over this because my, my target's been more cat.
I love Jalen Brunson, but the more I watch him, he's not a guy
that you're going to run to, you know, ride a championship with.
Jalen Brunson's not a guy that you're going to ride to a
championship win. He's not, you know, he's been a
great nick. He's a big time winner.
He's a hell of a player. See, but you got the penthouse,
the Alexander's, you know, the Giannis is when he's healthy,
you know, guys like that. And then you get the next cut.
And I, and I think that that's where Jalen Kate Cunningham, I
believe, is more in that first cut than the than the one that
Jalen's in right now. And I don't think Jaylen Brunson
is ever going to get better Like what, 26 1/2 points a game, 7
Dimes shooting, 47% overall, 8384% from the strike, 3738%
from downtown. All really good numbers.
All Star making all NBA team, Knicks win 50 plus.
You know, listen, I think Jaylen Brunson is going to be here for
over a decade. I think I think Jaylen's number
is going to be retired and rightfully so.
But that doesn't mean that Jalen Brunson individually as a
singular basketball entity is going to be great enough,
dynamic enough and consistent enough to lead the Knicks to a
championship. So if you believe that, and I
do, I love the guy, but that's what I believe.
Now you got to get to the other things, the coach, the secondary
stars, and that's Cat, you know, lesser extent, that's an OG,
that's a Bridges. And I don't think that that's
great enough either. So, you know, I again, last
night was a fun game, especially with the comeback.
I love. I've always been a shaman fan.
I got receipts on that. I, I liked, I wanted them to
resign him. It bothered me that Tom Pibodeau
didn't play him. He's the guy that I want
playing. He's the guy that I trust on the
road in the play offs, you know, kind of a swing game playing
1314 minutes when the starters are out, you know, and it's kind
of that that 3 or 4 minute interval where if the Subs play
very well, the Knicks very well might win that game.
If the Subs can't carry the mail, the Knicks probably going
to lose that game. Like it's either going to build
on a lead or it's going to cut into a deficit.
That's how I view Subs in. I mean every night, obviously,
but particularly high leverage championship type of games.
I want Lancery Chabot out there, I like him.
I want Alvarado out there and I know so his so hand was out
there last night a little bit. I like the aura, I like their
depth, I like their bench. And again, last night was fun.
Does it change anything? I mean, the goal is to still
win. You know, you got Oklahoma City,
who's the defending champion, all right, You know, went in
battle back. You, you, you know, you had a
chance with a couple of shots at the at the horn basically to tie
it up. You didn't do it.
I mean, is it we handed out second place prizes here.
I'm not doing that. I need more than that.
So there's no consolation prizes.
There's no wow. Last night was, you know, I'm
furthering. I'm emboldened to say that, you
know, I believe more now that the Knicks are going to win the
championship because they hung around and they battled the
Champs. Big damn deal.
You're supposed to that. That was what everybody thought
that you would do this year, you know what I'm saying?
That was reflected in the pre season betting odds in terms of
winning the championship, getting to the Finals, obviously
representing the Eastern Conference and the sheer volume
of win totals. The Knicks were among the higher
ones at every one of those four things.
So you lost a good game, but you lost Jay Rod.
Am I missing anything with these Knicks?
You're a big basketball guy. No, I mean, you, you got it
right there. I think a lot of people, you
know, a lot of Knicks fans, I think with this loss, they're a
little content. I think I've heard a lot of, you
know, issues with the refs going down, which, you know, I don't
want to hear. But listen, I think tough loss
to the Thunder close game and it's one where, OK, you go, all
right, we lost again to the Thunder.
Can we get over that hump? But I think it's one where you
lose by three. Mitch is out second night of a.
Back-to-back. You know what you can, you can
hang your head down on this, but also you know that if this comes
to the finals, you got a chance. You got a chance, especially
with Shay's, his health being a little iffy this season, at
least if you're than it has been in the past.
You know, I'd say you can walk away going if everything goes
right. If we have a Celtics 2024 Finals
run where everyone gets hurt on the way there and once we get to
the Finals, it's a little bit of a diminished squad like The
Mavericks were. The Knicks have a shot.
That is my thought. You know what?
Everything. It's got to be the Wizard of Oz,
Golden Brick Road for them. Like it's got to going to be
everything's kind of got to work out in this perfect way, kind of
like it did for the Celtics in 24.
And if that happens, I think they've got a shot.
That's my take away. OK, listen, I respect that.
I'm not going to push back too much.
I think that that's well thought out.
I think you laid out well, and I think that for the most part,
you're right. But to me, that's also a bit of
a referendum on Leon Rose. I mean, you shouldn't need the
Golden brick. What you call it the Golden
Brick Road, The Wizard of Oz. Yeah, the yellow brick road.
The yellow brick road. And not everything needs to be
like synchronized, synchronized in perfect harmony for the
Knicks to win a championship. It might be true, but it
shouldn't be that way. When you gave up five first
round picks for Bridges and he did all the things that you did
and you change coaches. Like it shouldn't be a Hail Mary
type of a, you know, 4th and 17 to win the championship if you
built the team, but a championship type away.
No, I mean, definitely not. You know, it.
It should be a kind of thing where the Knicks have a steady
grip, where they're actually looked at, as, you know, before
the season as one of those top three title contenders, which I
don't think this season they were.
I don't think they were in, you know, I think they were in that
echelon of teams who could make it.
How many? Top what?
So if they weren't top, top
what? Give me a number.
Five, I'd go. They were, I'd go, they would
probably go into the season. They were probably the fifth
team with the with the most likely.
But understand this film. So I I I agree with certainly a
couple of teams out West. So automatically that pushes it
out, you know, to that 345 window.
So I, I think that your window of five is probably right.
But now it's easy to to be married to what's happening now.
Pistons have thumped them, you know, but think about what we
were saying before the year. Knicks will not have a chance to
do this with these circumstances again, because the Pistons are
still a little young. Probably not before the year,
probably not ready. No, Jayson Tatum, you know,
Magic are young. They've had a lot of Magic are
young, not quite yet ready. Pacers don't have halibut like,
so go back to the mindset and the the thought of where the
Knicks were in the pecking order and what what they were supposed
to do in October and now juxtapose it to now.
And to me, there's been an element of underachievement.
I think that that's undeniable. I, I, I think that you can
totally agree with that because, you know, looking at the
landscape before the season, I mean, you're right, no one
expected, I mean, for the, with the Pacers, you know, people
obviously expected them to kind of have a fall off.
I think with the Celtics, no one expected them to be the two
seed. I heard people saying maybe
they'd be six or seven seed. I think you thought Cleveland
even before the hardened trade was going to be in that top kind
of spot, you know, with the other two falling.
I agree they haven't done that. And so, you know, I guess the
thought was the Knicks would be that one seed, you know, and
they would kind of go all the way, not have an easy Rd.
You know, they'd be challenged by Cleveland.
But yeah, I think you're right. I think it you could look at it
as an underperformance, but also I think I think come playoff
time is when this Knicks team will really, you know, show
their true colors would be my. Thought I hope you're right.
Add got to under score 222 Brunson's top when the Knicks
are in the playoffs. They're true, true, but But that
doesn't eliminate his deficiencies.
You know, I I don't love his shot selection this year.
That's why I I had to make sure I get that out a little bit
today because I don't want it to be all about cat and I don't
want to, you know, teeter on the unfair part of the conversation
here, because I do think cats been on a really good run and
he's changed his role and he's embraced it.
He's now he should get more shots, but that's a a Mike Brown
Brunson thing. He's not getting as many shots.
He does seem very engaged, animated defensively.
He's made some adjustments. He's rebounding that nine
offense rebounds 8 or 9 in in in round 17.
So a matter of fact, right now I got no beef with Cat.
There's nothing for me to say about Karl Anthony Towns cuz
again, I'm not just in the business of saying something and
remaining married to it. I'm in the business of evolving.
Now, I still don't think that they win the championship
because I don't think the Cat and Brunson and and and Mike
Brown etcetera, all the things I've said, I don't think that
they're capable of playing that high a level basketball for
multiple months in a row, which is what's required to win a
championship. But that doesn't mean, number
one, that I hope I'm wrong, which I desperately do.
And and also that that I can't sit here and say cats balling,
cats playing his ass off. And it's good to see.
It's good to see man, but the brunt So but the Brunson stuff,
because he's so magical and because he left money on the
table and did the Knicks a solid with the team friendly deal.
That's going to change in a couple years, obviously, But you
know, he was very selfless in in the sacrifice there.
We recognize that. You know, he's an easy leader.
He you know, he's just he's a great nick already, I think, and
he he doesn't like the body language and some of his
deficiencies aren't as identifiable as cat.
And so some of the things with cat drive us nuts and we react
to that. But I do think on some level
Jalen Brunson has been getting a bit of a pass this year.
I don't think he's had his great.
I I, I just gave you the numbers without even looking at him. 26
and a half a game, 37% from 346% overall, 8283% for the stripe.
He's gonna, you know, it made the All Star team all that great
stuff. But has Jalen Brunson to me been
as adaptable as I would like to see him getting others involved?
No, he's he has not been. And until he does that, if he
does that, I think that the ceiling is what it is for the
Knicks. Probably a a tough, well fought,
grueling second round exit or maybe the Eastern Conference
exit, You know, and I by the way, Jay, hold on, Jay.
I also depending upon who they play in round one.
That is not going to be easy. I mean, So what would be a team
that would maybe scare you in in a round one?
But like the Hornets, I guess, yeah.
Well, I mean, I would be really be scared by them, but it
depends where the Knicks finish. I mean, right now, I mean, you
know, they could finish two, they could finish three, they
could finish four. I'd have to double check to see
if they could drop to five. I I you know, I don't want them
to, but they're going out West. You know, they're they've got
some tough games coming up. You play the Thunder.
Remember, I pointed out the other day here on a leash that
this is the week that's going to tell me, all right, where, where
are we going here? You know, you got to get out
West. The Lakers that Sunday playing
Denver, you played OK C you had the layup the other night with
the Raptors. You should have won that game.
Good. But we're going to learn a lot
more about them. I I don't might listen.
My opinion has not changed. My opinion has changed a little
bit on cat for the good, but in totality, my opinion has not
changed on these Knicks. I wish it would, but it has not.
All right, let me get to this as well.
So was talking about Kyla Murray the other day and another name,
whether it's, you know, whether it's The Jets, whether it's the
Dolphins, whether it's the the Vikings, whether it's the
Browns, lesser extent, the Cardinals, obviously, because
Murray's going to be gone, though they still have percent.
You know, Tua's the name that you now start to hear a lot
about. And you know, I saw this report,
The Jets quote, reportedly are doing their work on Tua.
All right, See what kind of guy a teammate he is and all that
stuff I have seen. I've already done all my work.
It's called watching him play. That's all the work that I need.
And I'm not remotely interested in Tua.
Just not don't want him, don't need him not appealing.
He's got a weak arm. He never plays well when it's
cold out, can't throw the ball down field.
And and I say this with great sensitivity, but that concussion
issue is terrifying. Why the hell would you want Tua?
Like, what is he going to do to change the the building for The
Jets? Now, Kyler Murray very well
might not change the building either, but Kyler Murray's
simply more talented than Tua. Like if you're getting somebody
on the vent min, which they're going to do Jimmy Kyler Murray
10 times out of 10 over Tua. What is the appear with Tua Tong
of Aloha? I, I, I, I don't know.
I mean, he is just, I watch him play and even when it's 79 and a
little humid down there in Miami, I just don't like the way
he throws the ball. What the hell is he going to do
up in New England? I mean, he could just look at
his record because he's been in this division.
What is he going to do up in Buffalo, up in New England at
MetLife from Halloween on? It's not going to do well.
I mean, throws if he were a pitcher, right, if he didn't hit
his spots, he would be absolutely tattooed.
Meaning, you know, he ain't throwing 100, he ain't throwing
97, he ain't not even throwing 95.
To me, Tua has about a 92 mile per hour fastball, Not in No 20
and not in 1979 or the 80s when I was watching ball, or even the
90s when I first started watching Ball to.
His fastball is like a 92 now. Which means that the disparity,
the massive gap in his ability to just let it RIP and just cut
through wind and cut through elements compared to his peers
is woefully, woefully less than optimal.
Not interested, Don't want him. I don't even want him for
$3,000,000. I just don't want him on the
team. I don't think he's that good,
you know, and I ran through some numbers with Kyler Murray that
were not very favorable. Warren Sharp had some incredible
deep dive. I don't have it in front of me
and it's probably over here with the rest of my notes.
But the short version was 25 yards or more, 20 yards or more,
15 or more increments of five, obviously down to 10 yards or
more. He was either the worst rated
like 32 out of 32 or as, as some of those other ones like move
past 32 based on the amount of attempts, you know, 3036 out of
41 in terms of yards per 10th and completion percentage.
He too can't throw the ball down the field.
But to me that's more of an accuracy thing.
He's got a good arm. He's he's throws the ball some
zip and he he's, I know he's had some injuries as well, but I'm,
I'm less concerned with his injuries than I am with Tua.
You know, I, I don't know man, Tua.
This is a side like, if I was Tua and I was his dad, I, I
would just beg him to stop playing football.
I really would. He's got generational wealth,
right? And all you have to do is invest
properly with what he's already made.
And I'm sure he is because he comes from very humble
background. I met his parents, me and Teek
met him, met his whole family. We had two on our show at one of
the Super Bowls. I forget where we were, maybe
Indianapolis. I don't know.
He just finished his rookie or he's no he's getting ready to
get drafted and what an incredible young man.
I mean you the bond that he has with his family, with his dad,
with his mom, with his siblings, incredible pride for his land,
which is beautiful. I mean that guy's a warrior.
Like everything about Tua I respect so I I don't mean I'm
not trying to just dump on him as a football player, but I got
to separate the two. I don't think he's good enough.
That's me with my analysis.
He's not going to elevate The Jets and on four and now
everybody's one shot away from being out in the NFL.
But he's much more susceptible to that because some of his
concussions have been fairly benign.
And again, if I was his dad and I, you know, as as hard as it is
to get somebody, especially football, you know, to strip off
the helmet, strip off the pads, because that young man is a, he
is a warrior. And it, it just built into his
culture. It's built into his DNA.
I've got profound respect, not even as high a level of respect
as you can have for dude because he is, he is that kind of
competitor. I would be begging him to stop
playing. You know, you only get so many
redos with the concussion. You have one or or two, you
know, even 3 overtime spaced out.
But some of the way and and there's varying degrees,
obviously, but the way he's looked when he's lost, like
functional control with his hands, like I mean, that is as
scary as it gets. So I would be begging him to
stop playing football. That's his family dynamics from
a football perspective. If I'm running The Jets, whether
I'm Woody or a Mooji or Glenn, I'm not pursuing them.
I'm not saying don't do your due diligence.
Fine. You going to do that with
everybody. You know, it's a Cashman term.
Do your due diligence, do it, do it, do it.
But I would be stunned one, if The Jets are are really
interested if it's anything beyond the exploratory phase and
certainly 2 if they actually got him.
And and I would I would I would not like that at all.
Have to be encouraged with the next D in the rebound.
The rebound has always been great, but now we'll figure it
out. Their defensive scheme.
Yeah, they were plus 15 field goal attempts last night.
That's how you win games most of the time, No question about it.
I I mentioned that there are a really good defensive team like
the numbers bear that out. I still don't really consider
them a a great defensive team because of the deficiencies with
foot speed and size with Brunson foot speed and maybe instincts
with Cat. You know that that that pick and
roll and just how they attack some of those soft spots.
They've made some really good adjustments.
They really have and and and they signed too.
I'm not going to watch next year at slay under score kids.
Yeah, you will. Yeah, you will.
Stop the nonsense, dude. You're gonna watch.
I know what you mean. You don't want him.
So you're probably just saying that to prove a point.
There is not one person unless it's Rudy and it unless it's
unless it was rooted in something political.
You're going to watch like I've got I've actually got friends,
you know, and I know people who have you know who I don't know
who big sports fans, devout sports fans who have stopped
watching certain sports based on, you know, the infusion and
and of politics, whether it's from a commissioner or players,
whatever. I mean, it's certainly a
prerogative. I mean, but you're going to keep
watching. Don't tell me you're not going
to watch. I mean, The Jets could draft
somebody. The Jets could start Brady Cook
week 1 and you're watching. The Jets could get to and you're
watching. You can kick and scream.
You don't want Kyla Murray. There's no way he's not worth
it. Kyla Murray comes to The Jets
starts weeks, one weeks, one week one.
You're going to watch. You're going to what else you
can do, you're going to go apple picking.
That's what me and Sally used to talk about.
You know, apple, apple picking and pumpkin picking. 2 very
enjoyable things. But there's an expiration point
on that. That is what you do with the
kids when they are real little, you know, I remember we went to,
there's a lot of farms in New Jersey with the apples.
We would actually pick eggplants and, and then I'd cook them up,
have to cook them in a while. I gotta, I gotta actually get
some. And then we go to the pumpkin
farm, get the kids pumpkins for Halloween.
And you'd pull them in this little wagon, you know, and
you'd have apple cider and stuff.
And it's, it's incredibly awesome.
It's a rite of passage as a young parent.
But you couldn't pay me to do that again.
You couldn't, you couldn't pay me to do it.
And when I laugh with the oh, I'm not going to watch The Jets.
You know, I'm not going to say I'm not going to watch The Jets
until Woody sells the team or, you know, that's it.
I'm done with the Yankees. As long as how, which is unfair
because he's not cheap. Remain cheap or Cashman still
there. Some of that is fair with cash
or boom, whatever. I'm not watching the Yankees.
Yeah, you will. It's a bunch of nonsense.
And you know why? It makes you feel better
temporarily, but you're going to watch.
So cut the nonsense. You know, I read the tweet slay.
You don't mean it and you know I'm right.
You know I'm right. J Rod, do you know anybody in
your circle, tight, tight, close knit circle or even, you know,
just a passing whatever broader circle of friends or associates
that has said they're not going to watch a sport because
something and then actually sticks to it and doesn't watch
the sport? You know what?
No, no, no, of course not. Because it's just like you're
not going to give up like a, a routine, part of your
entertainment just due to like some, you know, just due to some
what's the word disagreement with the front office or
something like that. Like I just think for people
like obviously watching sports is part of your routine.
It's part of your daily habits. You're gonna you're gonna change
that just because you know, this happened or the other.
No, you kidding me? Hold on.
This is interesting. Hold on.
I was just doing that. I hear you.
I I got you on that. All right, So this is gonna be
even tougher than I thought. Rogan has said, I guess, 1000
times or 100 times. If you try to get on and ask, he
usually doesn't invite you. Yeah, I can imagine.
This is gonna that's what I mean.
This is gonna be like a long like this is like a long winded
scheme where like you on this show, you say some sort of
statement that catches the eye of Rogan.
Then you build up a mutual friendship with somebody who who
is friends with Rogan. You then go, hey, you see this
clip, huh? You know, maybe Joe would love
it. And then Joe sees it, and he.
Brings well, but OK. But I hope there's limits to
that. I can't be doing my show based
around whether or not Joe Rogan's going to hear something
and like it and say, oh, OK. We're going to just it's just DT
unleash you now just going to switch to like an alien
conspiracy theory channel. Just going, yeah, you know, I'm
hearing, I'm hearing rumblings that from Krypton, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe, my Joe.
Life found and we ain't begging here, man.
I mean, I would go I'd pay them away.
As I said, we ain't begging to get on anybody's show.
Now what what you need to do though, and this would I'll read
this in a SEC. You've got to or you could get
that down. Please.
You can be ultra creative here, Jay.
See, this is how you got to work in this business, right?
This is how your mind has to work.
You just got to think about you got to think like this
instinctually. So I threw out the challenge.
If you guys are just tuning in, I did not divulge the
denomination. Maybe I will privately.
I'm I'm going to have to privately to J Rod, right?
If he gets me on Rogan's show, which I don't think he can.
I don't think he's I don't think he's going to be able to do it.
If he gets me on Joe's show, I'm going to give him X amount of
money bonus right, in addition to what he gets paid weekly here
on the show. Now you're probably processed as
you just laid out, you know, let's get some clips and get it
to people who know Joe and then be OK.
But what you could do? This would be the more
unconventional route, but probably.
A better route to actually get me on his show is for you to
reach out to him and get him on our show.
And then once he's on our show, then the reciprocation is much
more inclined to happen. This is how you got to think,
Jay. Yeah, I mean, listen, listen,
we'll get Rogan on on leash. He'll talk about his favorite.
I mean, listen, he was a Jets guy.
He has spoken about that before. I know he's, I mean, he's he, he
hates football, which would be an interesting thing for you
guys to talk about too. Like despises American football.
And why the? What's the reason for that?
He calls it like fake fake fighting, like fake real men's
sports, like the only sport to him that truly showcases
dominance is martial, is martial arts.
And like true physical fighting domination, he feels like NFL
football is like a fake. You know, like I got you a sport
that doesn't show a true male to male domination.
I got he's a beast man. I mean that that martial arts
stuff's a real thing. That's why, Hey, listen, never.
I mean, if you're walking around picking fights at at as an
adult, you're you're almost hopeless, but always understand.
You know, it's usually the quiet dude who was not saying much
laying in the cut and you're going to take that quietness or
or just being a little a less aggressive maybe as an
invitation to push the envelope. Generally the guys who weren't
woofing. Now I thank God I haven't had a
fight in forever and I hope I never have one.
I don't plan on having one, but keep that up the rest of my
life. But the guy who's woofing, yo,
let's go, let's go, yo, get, come on, let's go, hold me back,
you know, tugging at his shirt, all that bullshit.
That guy can't fight. The guy who's just, you know,
kind of like this guy and everything is ready, whether
it's a chop to the neck or take it out a knee or do whatever
you're doing. That's the guy that can
literally kill you if you wanted.
You know, Rogan's a beast with that stuff.
I mean, I disagree with his take on football.
It's not like it's not soft. You want to tell me it's softer
than it used to be fair. You want to tell me martial arts
or MMA and all that stuff? Hand to hand combat, much more
threatening and tougher than football.
Agreed. But yeah, Joe, maybe this is how
I get on Joe. Maybe I just called Joe out.
Exactly. And maybe this makes the waves.
Hey, Joe, you want to fight? We don't.
We don't want that for sure. All right, a super.
Can you read that handle? That's a long one, man.
Super Gaming Chill Bros 6643. Good job.
Hey BT been following you since 2019.
Got me through a lot during Kovid.
Nice that was that was a wild period.
My God, doing shows with Kovid and with Tiki and no sports to
talk about. My goodness.
As for the quarterback conversation for The Jets, I
think it's a smokescreen. I don't know exactly how they're
going to address it. Yeah, I listen.
I appreciate that. Very nice of you, very generous
of you. And I've heard that a lot.
And and by the way, you guys helped get me through COVID as
well. Because you're trapped like, so
this was always the outlet to get on the air.
Tiki and I were on for four, wait three hours of three.
Me and Sal were four, me and Tique were were three and on the
fan, me and Tique were 4. But nationally, when we were
doing it during COVID, it was it was 3 and it was, I mean, it was
freaking brutal, man. There, there was just nothing to
talk about. I mean, yeah, I we don't have to
get the COVID, but yes, understood.
Understood. The Jets quarterback situation
to me. See, I think This is why I get a
really good feel about Muji here, and I have for a minute is
that #1 there's not a lot of leaks within The Jets building.
It seems like they sealed some stuff up and that's been a
problem forever. Right #1 #2 you know, he's
involved in, yeah, a little bit of everything here.
Yeah. Maybe a little Kyler Murray.
Yeah, maybe. I mean, I, I would be OK with
the on the cheap, but I mean, I'm not running to get Kyler,
but Kyler Murray. We'll do our homework on Tua
Tana McKee out there with the Eagles.
Yeah, you know, see, babe, we got some interest in him is what
you're hearing. Well, maybe the draft that I
think I saw yesterday, The Jets are the favorites to draft Ty
Simpson. And maybe we'll we'll mess
around. We'll draft somebody.
Jacoby percent, we like him. And maybe trade for Mac Jones,
although I saw yesterday that Mac Jones gonna command a first
round pick. Peace, man, peace out.
At least that's what the Niners were asking for.
Now, I don't begrudge him for asking for that.
Ask what you want and then I'll decide if it's too much, too
rich for my blood and you know, I'll just walk away.
Or you'll be further engagement and we'll set a lot of two or
whatever it might be or three that becomes a 2 or even maybe a
two that becomes A1, whatever. You ain't getting a first round
pick from Matt Jones. That sure as Hell's not
happening. But I just think that there's a
lot of not a lot of good opportunities, not a lot of good
options here for The Jets. I wish that there were.
There's there's a couple of options that, you know, are OK,
all right, we'll, we'll see. And you got the three first
rounders for next year. And and, you know, whether it's
an arch or another quarterback, Dante Moore, who went back to
Oregon, who would have gone second this year.
I don't know if The Jets would have taken him.
It probably would have maybe they would have traded out as
well. But either way, I just think
that there's there's a lot of interest in a lot of different
avenues. And it does seem like The Jets
are very busy. You know, they got the Breeze
Hall thing done. I think a lot of people thought
it was going to be maybe the transition.
It was the higher number, which surprised me a bit at 14.3 for
the franchise. But that's just giving them a
window to to obviously work out a long term deal, which I
believe fully that they will. Now you got to carry that number
until you actually get it. So it's going to count against
the cap as you jump in a free agency, blah, blah, blah.
We got some. Breaking news.
What do we got? What do?
Is it good? Give me something good.
J Rod, go. What do you got?
Wait, wait, wait, Kint, give me the sport.
Football. NFL is not.
Yet bills, Bills the Bills Hudson shit.
Do you want me to just give it to you?
Let's. Hear it man, I want to hear.
It Adam Schechter. I mean, the info isn't there
yet, but DJ Moore is being traded to the Buffalo Bills.
DJ Moore is pretty good player. He's solid.
OK, all right. I mean, I was hoping for
something a little more by scattering the NAP, but breaking
news nonetheless. There you go.
Who who gave it to us? Will someone in the someone in
the comments? Drop well so hold on a SEC, why
are the comments beating you to your job?
That's your job, dude. Oh, slay kids.
Slay kids is quick. And then I I confirmed on
Twitter, so there. We go.
So you confirmed a watcher and a a listener's text.
So that's how the that's how the pecking order's going now.
That's how J Rod does his job. Somebody does it for him.
And then he comes in. It's it's, yeah.
It's like the meaningless report, you know, and it happens
all the time. Like, you'll get like Schefter
or like a Rappaport. And I don't mean meaningless on
their end. Like they're legitimately
breaking the story. Garafolla, whomever.
Like there's so many good people who cover the NFL and then like,
I don't know, some writer for some city will confirm 9 hours
left. So and so was able to confirm.
No shit. You know, the, the biggest
people in the industry have it. You confirm nothing.
What did you confirm? You confirmed.
And that's my, I mean, yeah, I'd love to know how the how that
confirmation goes too. Hey, this is so and so from 2
bit newspaper, you know, the, the, the the the X news.
Yeah, You know, Schefter had it, Rappaport had it, this guy had
it, Garifolo had it was on Good morning football.
Stephen A was talking about it on first take.
Can I just confirm is this true? I mean, that's I confirmed.
Come on. Oh wait, here's a little more.
Rogan got here with Stevo, he said.
He's been to a lot of UT games. Make sense?
He's in Austin and likes football.
And wait, BT you don't believe in aliens?
I don't, I mean, I, I listen, I don't, I, I don't give that much
thought. I don't you know, what I believe
in is to get like to get serious for a moment and I'm not listen,
I don't know. I'm not here to denounce the
presence of I don't know enough about like I don't study a lot
about aliens, OK. I follow world politics.
I follow the economy everyday. I follow sports, follow all that
stuff. I'm not going to mess around say
there's no way aliens because I don't want anybody coming down
here and abducting me. I don't What I believe in is
what I believe in from a religious perspective.
Honestly, I'm not going to. I don't, I don't shove it down
anybody's throat. What I believe is what I teach
my family, what my wife and I are in absolute accord on and
what we teach our kids that when, when we die, we're going
upstairs and Jesus is waiting for us.
That's what I believe. That's my entire family
believes, right. So the other stuff is, and that,
you know, that's why as we get ready for Easter, you know, as
Christians, that's what the resurrection, you know, to me, I
mean, it's funny, we all get ready for Christmas when, when
Jesus was born. But the, the app Easter is, you
know, when, when the, the ultimate sacrifice, which really
is what Christianity's built on anyway.
I, I don't really venture into that too much, but you better
believe, I believe that the, the, the, the alien stuff, I
don't know, man, I, I, I just, I don't.
Do you believe in aliens? You do.
See it is tricky, OK? I'm a believer in everything.
Like I believe that everything is possible and that everything
either has happened and or will happen just because of the
infinite possibilities the universe, you know, continuously
expanding. Can I challenge?
Wait, wait. Can I challenge you?
For sure. Obviously, respect.
In your opinion, that's a little bit of the easy way out.
What do you believe? Of course it is.
I believe in the possibility of everything.
That's The thing is, I think I think on either side, you know,
there's an easy way out where it's like, you know, either the
science side or the, you know, you, you end up hitting a point
where you go, I don't know, I don't know, I know where it goes
further than this last point. My belief in aliens is just
like, I would love to believe that.
And I do think that being a human being is like an
incredibly special and unique experience.
I don't think, you know, I don't think there are any other
species like that, but I just it would be crazy to me to think
that there's not at least one thing out there in the universe
other that's not at least maybe it's not speaking, but at least
moving, at least moving around. That would be my thought.
Fair enough, fair enough. You know, thinking about this is
this is weird. I admit.
This is going to sound wacky and I thought about this a few
times, right? So, you know, we have our world
and you guys subscribe to whatever religion you do and I
respect it, right? Guys know where I stand on on
what I believe and what I follow and I never shove it down your
throat. And I genuinely respect others.
Like that's, that's the way of of my world, right.
But I have thought sometimes I'm like, all right, so if they're
and I don't mean God like that, I mean, if there's a greater
existence above us, like alien form or whatever is going on on
the planets, on certain planets, you can't exist based on the
heat, based on the atmosphere, based on the lack of based on
the cold. Like I love the planets and I
love science. But imagine like, so we have our
world and we look at ants and when we look at these little
tiny bugs, they were like, all right, you know, we, we need
them. They're part of the, you know,
the fabric of, of, of, of everything, right?
But is there a chance this is going to sound really crazy,
man? Is there a ants?
But I'm going to stick with ants that ants have their little
world, right? And instead of just like, you
know, crawling around and looking for a little, little
remnant of food, you know, hop it on the, the ice cream stick
during the summer when you know, you got 9000 ants forming on it.
Is it possible that ants again in in their own vision, have
built out their own world underneath?
Like the Ant wakes up and wherever they make a little dirt
tunnel like that's their version of Starbucks, Like they go on
with their own and like everybody has maybe this will
get me on Rogan. And they I don't really
necessarily believe it, but I thought like they've got to do
something like they got to have some existence.
Like, I don't know, do is there an, you know, baseball team?
Is there an or whatever sport ants play?
And they've got their little tiny stadiums and they've got
their little schools, and they go about their way because you
can't just crawl around all day with no purpose, can you?
No, I think it's AI think it's an interesting point too,
because you know, you'd like or not you'd like to believe, but I
think as people we are, you know, predisposed to believe
that. OK most other animals, they're
kind of mindless, like they just kind of go about their routines.
They do their thing. They work off of, you know,
driven by sex, driven by food, driven by shelter and warmth.
But there must be something in between those things that's con,
you know they. Don't.
They don't. Think in a language, but they
must think in some sort of images that guide them
somewhere. I don't know if that's exactly
lined up with what you're, what you're kind of saying, but like
they must have a life that is more than just like I'm eating
that. Just existed.
Exactly, Exactly like there's, Yeah.
Did you? I know you study I I know you
study journalism? Do you study philosophy at all
or do you? Have a second minor that was my
minor. It was.
There you go Look at it. Yeah, nice dude.
I mean, not that I guess, shoot, not that that could get you a
job anywhere, but it was fun. I you know, I loved I loved the
philosophy classes. I love just like talking about
it, you know, just kind of throwing up the hypotheticals in
class. Always, always a great time.
Probably, yeah. The funny thing about the
hypotheticals, right? So start wrapping up soon.
This is true, right? So you guys know I went to
Catholic school, right? Not only high school, but
grammar school. And I remember the, and not just
the religious thing, just a thing in general.
I have always had issues with hypotheticals, right?
Not that I denounce them entirely, I don't.
But I am an evidence man. Like I need a little bit of
proof. I am, I am in constant search of
of answers, right? I want to be able to prove
things. If I'm going to believe
something, I want to have something rooted in the reality
that can be traced back to something by somebody far more
intelligent than me that is able to either prove it or disprove
it, right? I'll give you an example.
I used to drive her nuts. She couldn't stand me.
I had a nun in the 7th grade, Sister Connie, big scary.
And now my sister's three years older than me and she had my
sister, my sister's eight. My sister's getting like another
degree from Oxford University as we speak currently.
Wow. So proud of her.
Man. I don't know how we grew up in
the same house, like 10 feet down the hallway, her bedroom,
my bedroom. She is the, she's the most
intelligent person I know. She's absolutely brilliant.
That's incredible. Yeah.
It I it's it's amazing. I don't know how she wants to
learn so much. I don't have that capacity
anyway. So I guess I had Sister Connie
like in the 5th grade when we start switching classes and she
had my sister for a bunch of years and I sister Connie taught
religion and something else, maybe English.
No, that was sister. Either way, she taught 2
subjects and when I roll through, even though I didn't
have the best reputation at this point by the 5th grade in terms
of get in trouble, she thought well I had I had Tierney's
sister who's an Angel and an A + 9900 student.
This is going to be phenomenal. Exact opposite right?
And I remember, I remember that she like she would, I remember
we were talking about like the Beatitudes and, and some other
religious things. And I remember she was talking
about like the commandments and this basic stuff.
But she was trying to say about or communicate how either God or
or maybe how God communicated to Moses with the 10 something like
that. And she was stating it as fact
and, and I wasn't trying to be disrespectful at all.
I really wasn't, you know, but I kept raising my hand and a lot
of times in school I was a complete wise ass and always in
trouble. I wasn't doing that here.
And I was real. I raised my but sister Connie.
All right, I I believe you. But how do we know?
How do we know that that was said to Moses or whatever it
was? Like where's the proof?
She's like, well, it's in the Bible or it's in here or it's
written into the attitudes or it's in the commandments.
I don't know. And I'm like, I, I know, I know
that we can read it, but how do we really know you weren't
there? And I promise you, it was one of
the few times I wasn't trying to be a pain in the ass.
I really was inquisitive. Like I wanted to know the
answer, but how do you know? Can you?
She got so frustrated because I don't know how you communicate
to a pain in the ass 5th grader that you do know, like at some
point there's got to be a leap of faith, whether it's with
faith or with aliens or as you deduce what's what's right for
you and wrong for you or inconclusive to you.
You know, I mean, it's going to be a point where you got to
either accept it or not. And and and separating religious
from the other stuff. I just the hype because which I
which I do accept. There were the the hypotheticals
about. And again, I'm not denouncing.
I don't, I'm I'm not going to say there's no aliens.
I don't know. And to me, there's not enough
proof for me to say that there are, but it's I need an answer
at the end of the day, I need a batting error, I need an OPS to
say this guys a great hitter, this guys a shitty hitter.
You know, it's, I mean, it's a, like you said it, a lot of these
beliefs and a lot of these things like where, you know,
there's no, not even just scientific evidence, but just
even a word, you know, a word of mouth from someone, you know,
you know, you just got to go off faith, You got to go off what
you believe in. And I, I think that's the great
part of it is it, you know, it also kind of just like breaks
down what truth could be like, you know, what is true and what
is not. Here's Clr 8810 ET phone Home.
I saw that in the movie theater. Have you seen ET?
You better of. Course, of course.
That's such a classic. Also, I saw these two comments.
These were just great. I mean, it was a couple people
just like BT. You're a goat.
You motivated me to start my own podcast coming up on my 40th
episode. And then here's another.
You inspired me to create my own podcast.
Spent a month learning OBS and how to record.
Thanks for the inspiration. That's awesome.
Yeah, I thought that was so awesome.
I mean, that's great. No, that's, I love that stuff.
You know that that's that's awesome.
You know, and listen, I think there's a couple of things.
There's a line. Was it in, was it not in Donnie
Brasco? What?
Carlito's Way? Carlito's Way, right.
Have you ever seen Carlito's Way?
I've I've heard of it, haven't seen it.
Yet you got to see. I'm that's.
Another way Brasco was good. You know, I like Brasco
Carlito's way. Hey, hit me up on the on the
text here Anybody loves Carlito's way.
My God, that was so good. And Pacino goes to, to Sean Penn
at some point. He's like, you can't fake tough.
Like, you know, oh, you, you, you a tough guy now.
Like he was trying to get involved in drugs and the mafia,
doing all sorts of coke and crazy stuff.
And Sean Penn was caught up and he was like in numbers.
He was a geek. He was, he was a completely like
non, he was a numbers guy. He was, he was there for the
intellect, whatever, and his business prowess, not because
he, he was a hit guy or a mafia dude, but because he was hanging
around at the club and doing drugs and, you know, trenched
with, with, with Pacino. He thought he was a tough guy.
And this was 1 scene where he goes, Oh, you think you're a
tough guy now? You can't fake tough.
Like he's like guy, you know, you're on the streets now, man.
It is real. And you know, just like I'm
saying that because some of those texts that you read, you
can't fake hustle, you can't fake hard work, you can't fake
commitment. So I mean, listen, I don't want
to overstate that I do a pre or overstate this.
I do appreciate those texts. Hopefully you know there there's
more out there where they've seen me quickly pivot from WFAN
and say screw it, I'm not taking this lane down.
I'm way too good to deal with this nonsense.
No way. We're getting up and we're
getting out there and I don't care how it looks right away and
I don't care that I'm not making a freaking penny right away.
We are building this thing into a monster.
And if that's been some inspiration for some of you
guys, that makes me feel awesome.
Yeah, no, I mean, I'd say, I'd say, you know, you're you're
trailblazing. The thing here for a lot of
sports people like that. That's what I can say is like, I
think a lot of the fans, I think a lot of people in the sports
world right now, you know, they see this and, you know, they see
somebody who like you say 1,000,000 times, you know, you
know, a lot of episodes is like, you know, see someone who got
thrown a huge wave of adversity came back and is now almost
emerging from it, a phoenix, you know, trying to be bigger than
he ever was, so. I There you go.
People really take that and and, you know, run with it.
That means a lot that that's awesome.
All right there, homie. So, you know, start start
getting on the the Rogan pursuit.
Don't. Laugh.
I mean, Oh no, no, laugh. It's going, it's going down.
I mean, we're today. Today we'll start devising the
plot. Yes, we will if you guys are
just too many of you know this, but if you missed the the
conversation with Michael, yes, a Michael K it's up on the
channel, it's in the library. Go check it out.
I'm going to definitely have on Don Le Greco next week and
that'll be a a different kind of awesome conversation.
I've known Don as long as I've known Michael.
I you know, I always knew of Don's name and he was doing
updates WFA in a million years ago, sports phone before that.
But I met Don when I met Michael when I went to 1050 back in
2003. So, you know, I was so happy
when he got the the devil's TV job.
I mean, he loves hockey. He is a grinder and some of his
rants are all time. I'm going to see if I can get
permission, maybe play one of his rants and then have him
react to it. So we'll have a little fun with
Donnie and then we'll get Pitino up getting ready for the for the
tournament there sometime next week.
Obviously laying the foundation. It's going to be a little
tougher because the schedule's crazy with the travel and and
first take, we'll get Stephen A up.
I want to get Boonie up. I want to get a rod up.
I want to get Sal back up for sure.
By the way, Speaking of BT and Sal 2 point O it is April 2nd.
It is out Mulcahy's in Wantagh. That's up on my ex account and
it's a direct link to the tickets.
We've already sold some. So if you guys want to jump in,
I think it's about 2:50 now it's about 3:50 that are available.
So it's, it's a little smaller than the Vogel Theater that we
sold out in late January for the first one.
Fully expect this one to sell out as well.
I wouldn't wait too long. It's a whole meet and greet
package. Carl Banks is going to be there
with us. So you know, and, and, and
obviously get the likes up, get the subscriptions up, get it out
there. We'll hit 18,000 maybe tomorrow,
certainly by the end of the weekend and Sunday.
One more reminder, Sunday at 6:00 PM.
That's the target could be 5, but between 5:00 and 6:00 PM on
Sunday, I will drop separate content here on BT unleash my
all time Big East team as we get ready for what's my favorite
week of the year. I absolutely love the Big East
tournament. So it was not easy coming up
with five starters going back to 1979 and all the way up until
now. So I got the five starters, I
got the head coach. The head coach was tough as
well. I've got the seven guys coming
off the bench from my act, my actual team and then I've got a
full 10 deep honorable mention. So most of the schools
represented, I think you guys will dig it.
Maybe. You know what, maybe I can get
Mullen on the show at some point.
I haven't talked to Chris in a little bit.
It's been a little while. I got to reach out and see if I
can get him up. But all good things to come.
Like it, subscribe it, get it out there, share it.
Obviously, the more traction we get, the more we can be done
with, the more that we can do. So have a great Thursday, go
check out the K spot. Check this out with the shorts.
J Rod's going to get him up later on and I will see you
tomorrow on a Friday. Hey, no rules Friday.
That's always fun. No rules Friday, 10 AM right
here on unleash. We'll see you peace.