1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Welcome back to Backward Point. My name is Naja Syed. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Half of this podcast is in Pakistan right now and the other 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,480 half is in Canada with my brother and cohost. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,200 Bashar. This podcast is a special one we 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,520 both watched. We will just finished watching 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 the second game of the Ashes and there's so much controversy, so 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,520 many things to talk about. The Baristow run out. 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,520 Ben Stokes is 155. The last session of the second 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,400 game. England 20 down. 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,540 Is basketball dead? So many things mean. 11 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:32,380 Bashar have already discussed a little bit off air, you know, 12 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:34,140 just in our family conversations. 13 00:00:34,140 --> 00:00:36,540 And then we just saved it because we wanted to talk about 14 00:00:36,540 --> 00:00:38,980 it on the pod. And we're here together as 15 00:00:38,980 --> 00:00:41,620 always. Bashar is in the early mornings 16 00:00:41,620 --> 00:00:43,940 of Canada and me in the evenings of Karachi right now. 17 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:47,260 And let's just get it on, man. Bashar, you saw the 2nd Test 18 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:49,740 match, You saw everything that unfolded. 19 00:00:50,340 --> 00:00:52,700 I was following my Cricinfo, but as soon as the breast run out 20 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,420 happened and Twitter just exploded, everybody lost their 21 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:57,780 minds. Like including. 22 00:00:58,570 --> 00:01:02,130 I don't know if you saw it, but there were like businesses also, 23 00:01:02,130 --> 00:01:06,170 like like Victoria Wine was also tweeting about it and like, just 24 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:10,010 random things were happening. It was just a hailstorm going on 25 00:01:10,010 --> 00:01:13,450 on Twitter and on the media. People were very, very upset 26 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:16,410 about the birds to run out. Let's just start with the 27 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:18,690 elephant in the room. What did you think about it? 28 00:01:19,130 --> 00:01:23,130 So I sort of sat on the idea, let the the whole thing marinate 29 00:01:23,130 --> 00:01:26,530 in my head. Initial thoughts when I saw it 30 00:01:26,530 --> 00:01:28,600 was. That's not out. 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,040 Like how could that be out? Bairstow clearly missed the 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,880 ball. He marked this crease. 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,040 It was a last ball of the over and he walked through just 34 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,120 across have a discussion with Ben Stokes on the other end and 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,440 it kind of felt like gunny cricket in a way. 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,760 You know where you try to do these things, where the bats is 37 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,240 leaving, you throw the ball, try to get him out. 38 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,320 But the more I watched what happened and the more that I 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,060 got. More context of how it happened 40 00:01:56,060 --> 00:01:59,980 and what was happening before the balls leading up to that 41 00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:04,500 single ball. I felt like now it was fair. 42 00:02:04,620 --> 00:02:06,700 What happened was fair. It was out. 43 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:11,460 It was within the laws of the game, actually, first innings 44 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:14,860 Johnny Barstow try to do the same thing to David Warner. 45 00:02:16,060 --> 00:02:17,740 The Internet is a crazy, funny place. 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,560 People have started to bring out old clips of even Brendan 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,440 McCullum doing this to the to the England team back in 2009. 48 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,480 So this is something that's been happening. 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,360 It's within the laws of the game. 50 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,840 I don't know where to draw the line between the spirit of the 51 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 game and the laws of the game. If it's within the laws of the 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 game, what is the spirit of cricket? 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,320 The question then arises, is the spirit of the game just you 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,120 giving the batsmen another chance? 55 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:51,900 Because there was a lot of outcry from the English camp 56 00:02:51,980 --> 00:02:56,100 about this run out. Let's not forget the 2019 57 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:58,460 controversial ODI World Cup final. 58 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:02,060 Lots of technicalities there. You know, there's a lot of 59 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:06,380 examples in the history of cricket where yes, you know, the 60 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:09,500 the thing that comes into my mind immediately is the Nepal of 61 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:10,660 game. I think it was Nepal versus 62 00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:11,540 Oman. But sure, you might have to 63 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:14,500 correct me where the keeper had the opportunity to run the 64 00:03:14,620 --> 00:03:16,860 batsmen out, but the batsmen had clearly. 65 00:03:17,470 --> 00:03:19,510 Fallen on the pitch and he didn't do it. 66 00:03:19,790 --> 00:03:21,230 That's the spirit of the game, right? 67 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:24,350 You have a chance. You don't take it because it's 68 00:03:24,350 --> 00:03:27,390 unfair. This is clear cricket law. 69 00:03:27,870 --> 00:03:30,150 I don't understand what the outcry is all about. 70 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:33,150 I don't understand what the media frenzy is all about. 71 00:03:33,310 --> 00:03:36,030 This is a clear cut, stumping, run out, whatever. 72 00:03:36,030 --> 00:03:38,990 However you are dictated. The ball was not dead, All 73 00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:39,950 right? The ball. 74 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:41,710 Just because it went to the keeper, it does. 75 00:03:41,710 --> 00:03:43,390 The ball does not die. I read the rules. 76 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:46,620 The ball was active. And he's been notorious for 77 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:48,300 doing this. Johnny Bristow has. 78 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:50,860 Johnny Bristow has many a times because there was a whole 79 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:54,300 context behind his run out. He's many a times come out of 80 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,660 the crease right after the ball passes, takes, his guard moves 81 00:03:57,660 --> 00:03:58,630 again. Right. 82 00:03:58,710 --> 00:04:02,750 This happened previously, three or four times during that, that 83 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:06,470 game, the game that we were following and it just, you know, 84 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:10,030 Alex Kerry was noting it. These are specialist marksman 85 00:04:10,030 --> 00:04:12,150 keepers. They're aware of the game, 86 00:04:12,350 --> 00:04:14,510 right. This is a person who is playing 87 00:04:14,510 --> 00:04:17,190 the highest charter of cricket in the most competitive cricket 88 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:18,750 played in the world in Australia. 89 00:04:18,950 --> 00:04:21,470 He knows everything that's going on around them. 90 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:23,110 The wicket keeper has to be like that. 91 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,030 Ms. Dhoni was that sharp. Brendan Mccullen himself was 92 00:04:26,030 --> 00:04:28,350 that sharp and Alex Kerry was just. 93 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:33,110 Showing the cricketers are out, how attentive you have to be in 94 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:35,750 the in in the game, right? And he just was. 95 00:04:35,750 --> 00:04:38,150 Baristo was caught slipping. It was lazy. 96 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:41,910 He was snoozing, I would say, on the pitch and he was just 97 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:43,670 caught. He caught himself walking on on 98 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:46,390 onto the pitch and it's a fair, it's a fair. 99 00:04:47,490 --> 00:04:50,650 Dismissal, I believe. Now the question arises where a 100 00:04:50,650 --> 00:04:53,610 lot of people are talking about. Even Ben Stokes said that that 101 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:56,050 dismissal is the make or break of the game. 102 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:58,450 I don't know about that bash I I feel like. 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,880 Ben Stokes, his dismissal. When he left, with the way he 104 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,080 left with 7070 yard runs on the board, left to chase, that was 105 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,200 the end of the game. Whenever Ben Stokes is on the 106 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,920 field, when he's when he's in his pads on the crease, the game 107 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,080 is never over. You know, we're thinking about 108 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,200 the 2018 Ashes all over again. This thing never dies. 109 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,280 And I don't know, Do you think the Jerry Johnny Barnstow 110 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,880 dismissal was the end of the game? 111 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,760 Because I I don't. I don't believe so at all. 112 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:29,730 I think it's definitely a very crucial part of the game. 113 00:05:30,450 --> 00:05:34,730 If you look back on story of this match, that thing sort of 114 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:37,770 just highlights and pops up. I have to totally agree with 115 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:40,690 what you said. Alex Carey was very attentive. 116 00:05:40,730 --> 00:05:47,010 He was had a lot of presence of mind to ensure first monitor 117 00:05:47,010 --> 00:05:49,490 that that Donny Bear. So is leaving his crease early 118 00:05:49,810 --> 00:05:52,730 and then to actually make that decision of stumping him. 119 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,640 I saw the replay of that dismissal from different angles 120 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,840 and you could see as soon as he caught the ball, Alex Carey, 121 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,240 that's when he threw it immediately and it took a few 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,560 seconds for Johnny Barrisso to Marcus Crease and then leave 123 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,360 again. You know, typically what I've 124 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,760 seen happened of my years of watching cricket is that when 125 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,040 there's it over, you looked like Empire and you confirm that, 126 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,560 hey, I'm leaving my crease or you know, it's over. 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,280 Am I good to leave? And then the umpire confirms and 128 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,800 then the batsman. Continues to cross or you know, 129 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,240 go to the other end for a discussion with his partner. 130 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,000 In this case, I just felt like Johnny Berto was a bit really, 131 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,680 he was a bit casual and I don't think that's fair. 132 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,680 But I'm also sad that this whole Test match, this has been an 133 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,960 incredible Test match. But it's all come down to this 134 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,960 one moment, which I don't think it was the make or break moment. 135 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:46,380 You could say maybe if Johnny Bear so was on the crease, 136 00:06:46,380 --> 00:06:49,220 things could have gone like they made-up, they might have had a 137 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:51,620 better partnership. England might have had more 138 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:53,900 wickets in hand. They lost by 43 runs. 139 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:56,580 He could have scored those runs, you know, you never know. 140 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:59,380 But again that's just it's hindsight, it's a what if 141 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:02,540 scenario. But it's just been incredible 142 00:07:02,540 --> 00:07:05,620 discussions online on Twitter and I'm glad we're doing this 143 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:09,340 podcast like two days after the Test match happened because it's 144 00:07:09,340 --> 00:07:12,600 given. Lots of people have dug up 145 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,280 videos of what happened in the past. 146 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,840 The my the talking thing for me was when I watched Twitter and 147 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,760 what was trending after the match, Ian Bell was trending. 148 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,960 I don't know why Ian Bell was trending. 149 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,640 He was not playing in this match. 150 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,120 But what I found when I click on his name was that there was an 151 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,960 instance where India was playing England in England and there was 152 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,290 a scenario where. Ian Bell was mistakenly run out 153 00:07:40,290 --> 00:07:42,290 because he thought the ball went to the boundary before. 154 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:47,170 But in fact Praveen Kumar, the fielder had stopped the ball and 155 00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:50,650 eventually threw in and Ian Bell was out of his crease and 156 00:07:50,650 --> 00:07:54,970 Amazoni had run him out. So he was batting 130 odd at the 157 00:07:54,970 --> 00:07:58,130 time and. Very similar to the Azar Ali run 158 00:07:58,130 --> 00:08:00,610 out if you remember this. Exactly. 159 00:08:00,770 --> 00:08:02,490 Exactly very similar. What happened? 160 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:05,650 Yeah, So Ms. Dhoni being Amazoni. 161 00:08:06,090 --> 00:08:08,530 Called Ian Bell back. He continued batting. 162 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:12,690 So I I don't know, It's just it's hard to say what's the 163 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:15,850 right thing to do here. If you're within the laws of the 164 00:08:15,850 --> 00:08:18,850 game, you should be fine to do whatever you want. 165 00:08:19,250 --> 00:08:22,210 Cricket ultimately we do say is a gentleman's game. 166 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:26,610 But what transpired after that incident with Johnny Barstow, 167 00:08:26,890 --> 00:08:31,090 with the Australian cricket team, the MCC members, how they 168 00:08:31,090 --> 00:08:35,330 treated and and yelled and booed the Australian team? 169 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,120 Not a fan of that, and especially to my boy Oswan 170 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,760 Huaja. He got some extra words from the 171 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,799 MCC members. What? 172 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,240 She even sought back to retaliate. 173 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Things could have gone ugly there. 174 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,280 But yeah, it's just disappointing to see at the end 175 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,360 of the day. You mentioned this and it's also 176 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,720 known internationally as well that cricket is a gentleman's 177 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,360 game. But. 178 00:08:59,010 --> 00:09:03,130 The MCC, the the member, the members of the MCC, this is the 179 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:05,810 oldest Cricket Club in the world, right? 180 00:09:05,810 --> 00:09:10,290 The inception of cricket begins from these people and the way 181 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:11,890 that they're retaliated and the way that they. 182 00:09:11,890 --> 00:09:13,690 Reacted, they make the rule book for cricket. 183 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:18,170 Exactly. And and it was just ugly to see 184 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:22,890 that it felt very sore loserish. You know, and I don't expect 185 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:25,730 this from England, England's seen their ups and downs. 186 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:28,730 You know, they had a really bad patch in the mid 2000s. 187 00:09:28,930 --> 00:09:30,490 Like, you know, nobody can forget that. 188 00:09:31,010 --> 00:09:34,570 But they're sort of climbed their way up and it just seems 189 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:36,770 like their arrogance has gotten to their head, if I'm being 190 00:09:36,770 --> 00:09:39,090 honest. It just they just, they just, 191 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:43,530 they thought that basketball was unpenetrable. 192 00:09:44,060 --> 00:09:45,500 Right. Because they, they were going 193 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:48,300 all over the world and just demolishing sides like they did 194 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,620 that to Pakistan. They went to Sri Lanka, they did 195 00:09:50,620 --> 00:09:52,620 that to India as well. They were just demolishing 196 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:54,820 sides. And now that there's a chink in 197 00:09:54,820 --> 00:09:59,420 their armor, their Achilles heel is sort of open for the world to 198 00:09:59,460 --> 00:10:02,620 take a stab at. They seem vulnerable and they're 199 00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:05,500 just going to these tactics that are that are beneath them. 200 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:08,420 To be honest, I don't expect this from the MCC crowd. 201 00:10:08,580 --> 00:10:10,260 I don't expect this from the MCC club. 202 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:11,570 They're. They're supposed to be 203 00:10:11,570 --> 00:10:14,610 prestigious, you know, voicing your disagreement. 204 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:16,930 Maybe you think it's unfair. Fine. 205 00:10:17,610 --> 00:10:19,970 It always takes me back to that. Virat Kohli, last over in the 206 00:10:19,970 --> 00:10:22,810 World Cup against the Mohammed Nawaz. 207 00:10:22,810 --> 00:10:26,170 I thought a few of those rules going there were also unfair. 208 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:29,410 But you don't see me complaining about it or, you know, pelting 209 00:10:29,410 --> 00:10:31,730 stones onto the Indian team about it. 210 00:10:31,730 --> 00:10:33,690 They want fair and square according to the laws of the 211 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:38,340 game at the time, so. My only message to the MCC crowd 212 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,060 at MCC members would be to grow up, man. 213 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:46,740 Just grow up. Yeah, just to get what a feel of 214 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:49,420 what the people are thinking, did a poll on our Instagram 215 00:10:49,420 --> 00:10:53,420 Story for the longest time. You know, we asked people 216 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:56,820 essentially, did you think that was out or, you know, the two 217 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:00,140 options were yes, it's within the laws of the game, no, it's 218 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:03,340 against the spirit of the game. And for the longest time, the 219 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:09,130 people were split halfway 5050. Between devices, yes. 220 00:11:09,690 --> 00:11:12,250 But ultimately I think we finished with the 57% people 221 00:11:12,250 --> 00:11:16,090 thinking that yes, it was within the laws of the game and the 222 00:11:16,090 --> 00:11:19,370 rest four to three thought that it was against the spirit of the 223 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:22,690 game, so. People are actually also quite 224 00:11:23,210 --> 00:11:26,170 people are also quite vocal on our Instagram like you said D 225 00:11:26,170 --> 00:11:28,210 Ming us our our thoughts about it. 226 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,720 Quite some people were angry, like, you know, they were sort 227 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,120 of mimicking the MCC attitude. And some people were more tame. 228 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,680 You know what? It's and laws of the game and 229 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:40,600 all that. It always takes me back to the 230 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Ravi Ashwin debate. The man CAD. 231 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 He gets a lot of shit for it, which is funny, by the way. 232 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,560 He tweeted in favor of that dismissal as well. 233 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,800 I was like, that's so Hon brand Ravi Ashwin. 234 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,760 You're not even trying to be a little bit conspicuous, but I 235 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,160 thought that was a bit That was hilarious. 236 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,200 But he also gets flak for basically what is part of the 237 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,400 game, right? If you are lazy and you are 238 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,360 trying to steal or run, you're trying to catch some yards and 239 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,400 the bottom has all the authority to run you out. 240 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:10,520 I think it's a stupid rule. If I have a problem with the 241 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,600 rule, change the laws. But as long as the laws exist, 242 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,120 and this is the law of the game, you have to follow it, no matter 243 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,970 how annoying I think it is. Right. 244 00:12:18,970 --> 00:12:22,530 No matter how annoying I think like I I'm also in. 245 00:12:22,810 --> 00:12:25,810 Like, the other rule that annoys me in cricket right now is the 246 00:12:25,810 --> 00:12:27,090 substitution. Right. 247 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:30,770 Substitution is sort of, kind of maybe allowed, but only when the 248 00:12:30,770 --> 00:12:33,210 batsman gets hit in the freaking head, right? 249 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:37,330 No other like Nathan Lyon was, He was barely good. 250 00:12:37,330 --> 00:12:40,890 Stan and this man had to go out and face like 2-3 overs. 251 00:12:41,050 --> 00:12:43,050 One of the fiercest bowlings in world cricket. 252 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:46,080 Like, in that moment. The umpire should, or the third 253 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,240 umpire or the match referee should be able to make the call 254 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,560 and be like, you know what, this guy's literally you can't walk 255 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,440 right. It's done for him this series, 256 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,920 he's out for the series. Get us a placement like why does 257 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,400 it have to be? There's only one slight like I 258 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,560 can. We can keep going back and forth 259 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,000 with these gripes, but the fact still remains that is the 260 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,040 current law of the game and if that's how I lose and that's how 261 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,800 I lose. I will protest the way that I'm 262 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,680 out. I still think the Mama Nawaz of 263 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,560 goalie thing running on on free head being bold like all of 264 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:17,760 that. I still still think is really 265 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,680 messy and there could be a cleaner way to deal with this, 266 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,600 but I'm not gonna cry about it. You know, I think you mentioned 267 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,640 a really good point about the Nathan line, his injury, I 268 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,400 think, which is huge news. He's out of the whole ashes, 269 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,680 tore his right cough, showed great sportsman spirit by coming 270 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,950 out to bat despite having. That torn cough. 271 00:13:40,030 --> 00:13:43,910 I think it's a Gray area in the sense where people sometimes, 272 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:48,190 what if there's a person who is having a bad day, not performing 273 00:13:48,190 --> 00:13:52,590 well and they sort of fake an injury, They fake tearing and 274 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:57,230 hamstring or not not being able to walk and they just replaced 275 00:13:57,230 --> 00:13:59,390 it with somebody else. It was a better bowler on the 276 00:13:59,390 --> 00:14:02,790 day, but even when the next line came to bat again. 277 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:06,690 People were saying he only came to bat so he can get hit in the 278 00:14:06,690 --> 00:14:09,970 head. Kevin Kevin Peterson said that 279 00:14:09,970 --> 00:14:12,490 and I think that was again a low blow from another one, another 280 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:15,170 person from the English camp who would want to get to the player, 281 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:18,330 get hit in the head, Especially Australia with the Phil Hugh 282 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:20,610 situation. That was just a mean thing to 283 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:22,170 say. That was uncalled for. 284 00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:23,730 That's not how international cricket works. 285 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:26,210 KP should know better. He and KP has been known to 286 00:14:26,210 --> 00:14:28,970 playing dirty his entire career. He should know better, man. 287 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:31,530 He should know where the line is from, what is sensitive and 288 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:32,970 insensitive. Yeah, yeah, but. 289 00:14:33,010 --> 00:14:35,970 But I agree that. Should be something with the 290 00:14:35,970 --> 00:14:40,970 substitution because technically for the last 1 1/2 innings that 291 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:44,810 Australia was bowling they were lacking their main bowler Nathan 292 00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:47,450 Lyon. And the ironic thing is that 293 00:14:47,450 --> 00:14:51,930 Nathan Lyon just made the record for playing the most consecutive 294 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:54,690 matches Test matches as a spinner. 295 00:14:54,690 --> 00:15:01,970 I believe 101 Test matches and he got injured on while making 296 00:15:01,970 --> 00:15:04,510 this record. So now he's out of the ashes, 297 00:15:04,510 --> 00:15:07,750 Todd Murphy will perhaps replace him. 298 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:09,830 He's a like for like off spinner, is a really good 299 00:15:09,830 --> 00:15:14,630 bowler, bowled really well and Australia's tour to India 300 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:17,350 recently. I'm just saying that the way to 301 00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:22,790 gauge how to see if Claire is really injured or not is you 302 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:24,510 have medics on staff. This is modern cricket. 303 00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:26,430 We're not talking about 1975, right? 304 00:15:26,590 --> 00:15:29,510 We're talking about modern day cricket where you have. 305 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Staff available, You have medics available. 306 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,680 You have high profile doctors that are on standby available. 307 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,920 You have match referees. You have third empires. 308 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,320 You have multiple like dozens of cameras around, right. 309 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,240 And some injuries you can just see like the Nathan Lion 310 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,160 situation. It was quite evident this man is 311 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,520 having trouble just being in in the Oval right now. 312 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Let's let's get him a replacement, right. 313 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,040 So, yeah, I mean. There's ways to judge this. 314 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,160 On the same vein, just just looking back at the last World 315 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Cup, imagine if we had that substitution rule shine off. 316 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,040 He gets injured, we may be able to have brought like Hasnain or 317 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,960 the Tahani Indu ball one of his overs. 318 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Do you think that might have had an impact on the game rather 319 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,240 than us calling if Tahar? 100% that would have. 320 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,840 That would have been a make or break situation because at the 321 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,400 end of the day Shaheen ball is third over it with injury, could 322 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,000 even complete it if I remember correctly. 323 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,440 Right? And he we had to get somebody 324 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,080 else to complete the last 8 balls. 325 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,520 And with T20 it's it's those finer margins. 326 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,720 Every single ball counts like a dot ball is worth a lot more in 327 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,560 T20 than it is in world and ODIs versus Test matches, right so. 328 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,800 Yeah, I mean these rules should like if cricket wants to evolve 329 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,560 and become modern day, they have to see these rules come into 330 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,720 effect. They have to be a bit more 331 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,760 modern. I feel like cricket is trying to 332 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,560 catch up. There are definitely rules, the 333 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,760 power play, the free hits, the no balls, the reviews, how many 334 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840 you can take etc etc. Where things are getting a bit 335 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,720 modern, but they usually take their times with stuff like 336 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,050 this. And it's it's quite frustrating 337 00:17:05,050 --> 00:17:06,569 for their fans. But you know what? 338 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:07,930 You won't see us crying about it. 339 00:17:07,930 --> 00:17:12,490 Like I said before, and to quote John Mayer, if the MCC want to 340 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:14,690 go cry it, cry about it, then go cry about it. 341 00:17:14,690 --> 00:17:15,690 Why don't you, man? I don't. 342 00:17:15,930 --> 00:17:20,810 We don't care. I think because of this whole 343 00:17:20,810 --> 00:17:24,089 Donny Bear SO incident, it's taken away from one of the great 344 00:17:24,089 --> 00:17:28,490 performances that we've seen in this Test match, be it Steve 345 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:30,570 Smith scoring his 32nd Test match 100. 346 00:17:30,980 --> 00:17:35,260 Going to 9000 Test match runs, again like you mentioned last 347 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:39,060 episode, he is one of the greatest players of our 348 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:43,380 generation and one of the greatest of all time with his 349 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:47,620 Test match numbers that he has. And you know on top of that we 350 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:52,420 saw one of the greatest innings from Ben Stokes who scored the 351 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:56,820 high the most runs at number six and a second innings in Test 352 00:17:56,820 --> 00:18:00,770 match history. This man has a knack of showing 353 00:18:00,770 --> 00:18:02,810 up in the 4th innings of a Test match. 354 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:06,970 We saw him do it in Headingley when the when Day 4 concluded. 355 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:12,730 I saw that England needed like about you know, 250 odd runs and 356 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,050 I I wanted to say it was impossible. 357 00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:19,490 But the same time when Ben Stokes on the crease, I know 358 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:23,370 he's not fit he his knee. Is having issues and you could 359 00:18:23,370 --> 00:18:26,650 clear clear to see that by the way he's running by the way he 360 00:18:26,650 --> 00:18:31,370 wasn't able to duck for bouncers in the and on on day four but 361 00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:35,450 again a clinical knock. I mean we saw Virat Kohli tweet 362 00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:38,890 out saying that Ben Stokes is the most competitive bloke that 363 00:18:38,890 --> 00:18:43,770 he knows and seeing Ben pushed through on day five at Lords 364 00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:47,210 against the quality of Australian Mali attack smashing 365 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:50,790 them to. All over the place at Lord's, 9 366 00:18:50,790 --> 00:18:56,870 sixes, 9 fours, 155 runs and maybe he was you could say 40 367 00:18:56,870 --> 00:19:00,790 odd runs short from leveling the series, but the fact of the 368 00:19:00,790 --> 00:19:05,430 matter is that England is 2 zero down but a great knock from men 369 00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:07,830 Stokes. Man, I feel like every time we 370 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:11,390 talk about Ben Stokes is great knocks on Test cricket. 371 00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:13,750 It has to be. It always goes down as being 372 00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:15,950 some of the best we've ever seen of all time. 373 00:19:15,950 --> 00:19:18,140 Like this is just. The quality of the player, 374 00:19:18,140 --> 00:19:20,940 especially with injury. I mean I went back and started 375 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:23,260 playing cricket here. I got in Karachi and I can tell 376 00:19:23,260 --> 00:19:29,900 you as a 26 year old young man who is utterly unfit, Ben 377 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:33,940 Stokes, I would like to be that unfit being honest like it's 378 00:19:34,180 --> 00:19:37,140 it's crazy what he can do with not even 100% Jews in the tank. 379 00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:41,900 155 fourth, 4th innings, 5th day, you know you're batting 380 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:43,940 with. The tale kind of store broad is 381 00:19:43,940 --> 00:19:47,460 there hanging out. He's not really sure how to 382 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:51,700 conclude this. You know, even in the 2018 Test 383 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,500 matches, I think it was the last match in Headingley where he 384 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:57,740 also got a life, right. He got another life here by 385 00:19:57,740 --> 00:20:00,500 Steve Smith. And then the thing with Ben 386 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,260 Stokes is if you give him more than one life, he capitalizes on 387 00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:05,340 it, right? He wants to make sure that he 388 00:20:05,340 --> 00:20:07,900 hurts you. And he was so close to bringing 389 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:10,860 this game back. It's insane, like. 390 00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:14,810 Ben Stokes, Sir Ben Stokes, Man like I genuinely think he is one 391 00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:17,410 of those players that is redefining the game. 392 00:20:18,130 --> 00:20:20,290 You know, I we think about the greats of all time in all 393 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:22,610 sports. Ben Stokes, his name has to come 394 00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:23,810 up. When we talk about Test match 395 00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:27,980 cricket, it's changing the way. That people are approaching it, 396 00:20:27,980 --> 00:20:30,820 you know, 250 on the last day is becoming approachable. 397 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:33,860 People actually go out and go for the chase, they don't go for 398 00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:37,220 the draw, which England 100% could have if they decided to go 399 00:20:37,220 --> 00:20:39,500 for that negative mentality of you know what, we're going to 400 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,460 see this out, we're going to draw it, we're going to try to 401 00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:43,340 save the test over stay of the series. 402 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:46,260 This could have been a very depressing game at the end, 403 00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:49,140 especially with the John Duberis so stuff, but you know, it 404 00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:52,780 became exciting. That being said, England is 2 405 00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:56,140 zero down, with one game just between them and the Ashes going 406 00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:59,520 back. To Australia, or actually 407 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,560 Australia has the Ashes right now, if I'm could you clear that 408 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,200 up for me? Yeah, they will retain it if you 409 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,840 want to say. Yeah, yeah. 410 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,760 So Australia could retain the Ashes if they does win one more 411 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,600 game. So you know, all the chips are 412 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,720 out and England is sort of against the wall. 413 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,400 But I want to talk about the 4th innings batting collapse that 414 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,400 England faced, the 46 for four. I don't know where that came 415 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,160 from. I don't know why nobody showed 416 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,780 up. It wasn't that difficult, I 417 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:30,900 believe to sort of see off the new ball, make sure you have 418 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:32,900 wickets in hand. So you go into the fifth day 419 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:34,780 with eight or nine wickets in hand. 420 00:21:34,780 --> 00:21:36,740 So you can actually have a stab at this. 421 00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:40,140 The fact that Ben Stokes has to come down bad with the tail hit 422 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:45,860 155 and still lose by 40, that says a lot about how the upper 423 00:21:45,860 --> 00:21:50,900 order, the the high order never showed up do root is sort of. 424 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,960 Supposed to be the anchor from the top and he's like nowhere to 425 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,880 be seen. And in this game which, oh, this 426 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,680 innings, I should say. And that was tough to see as 427 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,080 well. I think it you can't keep. 428 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Yeah, go ahead. No, it's not as say in their 429 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,560 defense. I think there was a top quality 430 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,400 bowling spell by Mitchell struck a ball swinging in late and I 431 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,680 don't know if he saw the ball that he bowled against all the 432 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,020 Pope. Almost gave me shine of really 433 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:22,140 slash Mohammed Amir Vibes of tailing the ball back in late 434 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,860 into the stumps and then the ball of Pat Cummins ball to 435 00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:28,220 Harry Brooke top of off stump nipping back. 436 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,940 So I think it was yes, I I understand that they don't they 437 00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:36,060 didn't show up but those deliveries would get most good 438 00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:39,680 batsmen out. So I wanna give their top order 439 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,600 the benefit of the doubt of facing some top quality bowling 440 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,640 from the Australians. Yeah, I mean, no disrespect to 441 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Australia. I mean, full credit to Pat 442 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Cummins and his men. Like, they were on the money. 443 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,280 They were ruthless. Like genuinely ruthless. 444 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,680 And there's a conversation to be had the opposite way. 445 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,360 I mean, you might, you're not gonna like this, but where the 446 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:01,160 hell has Jimmy Anderson been in the past two games? 447 00:23:01,690 --> 00:23:05,570 You know he's averaging 73, strike rate of 156, three 448 00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:07,970 wickets and four innings. Like this is abysmal. 449 00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:11,730 What is like Kevin Peterson was right to be pissed off. 450 00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:13,290 You know he were used the word shambolic. 451 00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:15,850 I think he's a bit he was of being a bit dramatic for Sky 452 00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:16,690 Sports. But I'll. 453 00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:17,850 I'll retweet it. You know what? 454 00:23:18,010 --> 00:23:19,410 I'll retweet it. It was shambolic. 455 00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:20,890 Jimmy Anderson, the store brought. 456 00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:22,410 These are the finest Ballers in the world. 457 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:24,330 They're coming in. They're not even clocking 85 458 00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:25,850 miles. You know you have something to 459 00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:28,370 say about that bash because this is genuinely appalling to me. 460 00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:32,110 This is Ash's cricket if. Yeah, if I'm being fully 461 00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:34,510 transparent. I think what's happened here is 462 00:23:34,510 --> 00:23:37,830 that I thought Stuart brought, if you want to talk about him, 463 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:41,190 first looked tired. He looks tired from bowling. 464 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:42,750 Long spilled in the first Test match. 465 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:45,190 He's old. I don't think his body has 466 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:50,470 recovered as well as, as it may have maybe 5-10 years ago. 467 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,910 Jimmy Anderson as well. I think pace was down looking 468 00:23:54,910 --> 00:23:59,870 tired, looking sore. And the one thing that Ben 469 00:23:59,870 --> 00:24:04,030 Stokes and this whole basketball thing has taken away from the 470 00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:08,630 England fast bowlers, Kryptonite used to be England scene, 471 00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:12,990 bowling conditions, green top pitches, overcast conditions, 472 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:16,630 Jimmy Anderson, Stewart, Broad Hoving and around right, left 473 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:20,590 through corners. But you know, because of these 474 00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:22,350 five pitches, they're not getting any movement, they're 475 00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:26,440 not getting any swing. And that this is what happens 476 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,640 when you're focusing on making five pitches and scoring 400 477 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,480 each innings. So it's I do agree that they've 478 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,080 not been at their best, but there's reasons behind that. 479 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,280 But I definitely feel like the next Test match, England needs 480 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,560 some fresh legs. They need some pace. 481 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,000 We saw how well Josh Tongue bald in a second Test match, his 482 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,220 first ever Ashes Test match. I'm thinking maybe if Mark would 483 00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:55,900 have fed in the next test set test he can come instead of 484 00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:59,180 Stuart Broad or Jimmy Anderson. Firstly, I just want to tell you 485 00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:01,540 that it's pronounced Tong, which is ridiculous. 486 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:06,020 Yeah, it's insane that you spell it like Tong and you expect it 487 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:08,300 to pronounce it Tong. But OK, Josh, it's up to you. 488 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:10,580 Is your name firstly. Secondly, I don't think that's a 489 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:13,060 defense for Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad, because I want to 490 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:15,500 take you back to day one of the second Test match. 491 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:18,770 It's raining. It's overcast conditions. 492 00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:20,850 You know what? It's moisture in the air. 493 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:25,930 There's clouds above the Lord's cricket ground and still 494 00:25:25,930 --> 00:25:29,170 nothing. Still nothing like Jimmy 495 00:25:29,170 --> 00:25:31,690 Anderson and store brought should take lessons from Stark 496 00:25:31,690 --> 00:25:34,770 and and Pat Cummins in Hazelwood and the gang to see how you 497 00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:36,690 bowl. The 4th innings spell that they 498 00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:40,650 bowled with 44 or 46 or 4 and left England 46 or 4. 499 00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:43,410 My bad. That's how you do it, right? 500 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:45,530 This is Ashes Cricket. This is the most. 501 00:25:45,770 --> 00:25:48,810 This is the most intense. Test cricket will ever be, not 502 00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:53,010 even to the WTC has enough repertoire as as this game does 503 00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:55,570 or this series does, so you gotta show up with your best. 504 00:25:56,810 --> 00:26:00,210 It's sad to see, and it's sad to even say this, but maybe we're 505 00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:03,530 seeing the end of the broad Anderson partnership. 506 00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:06,890 They're touching 40, you know Anderson has already crossed 507 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:11,450 4041. It's just, it just seems like. 508 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,200 You need fresh legs in. Do you think basketball is in 509 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920 the place to make that move? You know it's it's a do or die 510 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,160 Test match and that leads. If they lose, it's all over from 511 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320 here. Do they go and switch out the 512 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,760 two most important bowlers in English cricket history and you 513 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,720 would agree with that? Do they search them out to get 514 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,680 fresher legs in to see if they can bowl shorter on the deck, 515 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,960 bouncer on the deck hit? The batsman a little bit nick, 516 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,480 the batsman a bit scared because right now these Australian 517 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,160 bowlers are playing these bowlers like we we play our 518 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,520 cousins in Gully cricket, man. I have no doubts that maybe 519 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,920 either one of them are going to sit out the next Test match. 520 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,960 There's Chris Wolk on the bench, there's Mark Wood on the bench 521 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320 and you know England has a myriad of options in their 522 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,080 county and cricket system, so. Do I think that they should be 523 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,120 replaced? I think you know there is no 524 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,760 replacement for experience. There's no replacement for Jimmy 525 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,600 Anderson, who has close to 700 Test match wickets. 526 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,360 So at the same time, yes, they are tired. 527 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,720 There might be a need for fresh legs, some extra pace Mark would 528 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,250 I feel like would be. A good addition. 529 00:27:27,250 --> 00:27:30,850 We saw how how well Josh Tong bald, I mean, he had that extra 530 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:33,010 pace. He really troubled David Warner 531 00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:36,530 both innings. Even his bouncers actually felt 532 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:40,690 like they were a yard quicker. I saw a stat where the average 533 00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:46,770 pace for the Australian attack was 8586 miles an hour, whereas 534 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:51,370 the average pace for the England Ballers was around 80 or 81 mile 535 00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:54,830 an hour. So I think that extra 5 miles, 536 00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:58,590 10 kilometers can make a difference between timing the 537 00:27:58,590 --> 00:28:02,510 ball and miss timing it, nicking it, skying it in the air. 538 00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:06,150 So I think these are decisions more just to be made by Ben 539 00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:08,150 Stokes. I I do want to see some extra 540 00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:09,350 pace. I want to see Mark put if he's 541 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:12,790 fit back in the side. Trouble is Australian Matson 542 00:28:12,790 --> 00:28:17,630 because if you recall we saw a barrage of shortbridge bowling 543 00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:21,270 and all four innings. It was almost weird to see every 544 00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:25,150 single ball being a bouncer. It didn't work but they got 545 00:28:25,150 --> 00:28:28,350 wickets. England got Australia in the 546 00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:30,990 second innings like that and then Australia used a short 547 00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:34,590 pitch against England in the 4th innings really well. 548 00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:38,470 Who do you make the call? You're Brendan McCullum. 549 00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:40,390 You're Ben Stokes. Who do you sit down for? 550 00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:44,910 Mark Wood? Tough because Stewart brought 551 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:46,390 Even though he's tired, he's still bowling. 552 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:48,710 Well, Jimmy Anderson is just totally off color. 553 00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:51,470 The balling that I've seen him ball, there was just too many 554 00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:52,950 bad balls. He's not putting it in the right 555 00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:57,070 area as long enough, which is what Jimmy Anderson used to do. 556 00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:59,870 So maybe he's carrying an injury, maybe he's just not, you 557 00:28:59,870 --> 00:29:04,910 know, in rhythm. So perhaps I would give to a 558 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:09,470 broader chance to rest out, recover for the next match while 559 00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:12,750 I would bench Jimmy Anderson, as I said that I would bench Jimmy 560 00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:16,280 Anderson, bring back Mark Wood. And if you're Jimmy Anderson, do 561 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,800 you fight for your spot in the 11 or do you say, you know what, 562 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,120 I think I'm being a liability in the team right now. 563 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,320 I think this is Ashes Cricket. This is, like you said, it's 564 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,960 it's high intensity, everybody plays to win and if if Jimmy 565 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Anderson resting would mean that England might have a better 566 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,960 chance of winning, so be it. I mean there's also Chris Wokes 567 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,000 here, so I think it's fair and I also want to come back to. 568 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,000 The fact that England is 2 zero down. 569 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,800 The fact that, you know basketball. 570 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Brandon McCollum and Ben Stokes have been saying we're playing 571 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,440 to entertain, we're playing to entertain to to play a good band 572 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,080 of cricket for people to watch. Ultimately people want to watch 573 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,200 England win. I love the entertainment, I love 574 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,920 how exciting this is, but if I was an English fan, I would 575 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,040 wanna see results. You know, we have seen results 576 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,680 last one year. They've won. 577 00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:14,390 In Pakistan they've won. In Sri Lanka, they've won, you 578 00:30:14,390 --> 00:30:19,270 know in in New Zealand. But this is where it mattered. 579 00:30:19,270 --> 00:30:22,430 This is crunch time. This is the Ashes, This is the 580 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:26,230 the oldest rivalry in sports. This is high intensity cricket. 581 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:29,870 So I want to see results. I know him has been very close. 582 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:32,790 first Test match you could say Pat Cummins and Nathan Lyons 583 00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:35,870 stole the game from them and then this last match they were 584 00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:39,910 40 odd runs short. But these fine margins make or 585 00:30:39,910 --> 00:30:43,810 break a series. And sorry to say, basketball, 586 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:45,650 there's question marks on it now. 587 00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:49,410 Yeah, I think Nasir San said something similar as well. 588 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:53,010 I was listening to him talk about this and I agree with both 589 00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:56,450 of you guys. I think it's, it's fun. 590 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:59,770 But I would not be. I I hate, I would hate to be at 591 00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:01,930 the losing end of that basketball regime right now. 592 00:31:01,930 --> 00:31:03,650 You know what? I understand that it's 593 00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:05,290 entertaining. Fans are having fun. 594 00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:08,330 The crowds are insane. It's never been better than 595 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:11,090 Ashes Cricket than it has been this year, if I'm being honest. 596 00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:14,810 But you have to put the nail in the coffin. 597 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:17,530 And you know what? Basketball isn't being able to 598 00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:18,650 do that. And I don't even know if this is 599 00:31:18,650 --> 00:31:21,970 basketball's fault. I just think English cricket has 600 00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:26,330 been missing the margin by one percent, 2% off. 601 00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:28,370 They're just a little bit off target, and that's just enough. 602 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,440 For Australia to capitalize, These are ruthless people, man. 603 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,440 These players are insane. They don't. 604 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,760 They don't give a shit about basketball. 605 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,160 They don't care about whatever you want to call it. 606 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,200 If you cannot beat them on the day, they will come and crush 607 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,240 you. That's how amazing and 608 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920 disrespecting at times the Australian cricket team can be. 609 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,720 So you cannot take them even for granted for even for a second. 610 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920 You have to go for the kill every time. 611 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,920 And I just feel like the English cricket team has just been 612 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,870 missing the mark. By the finest margins. 613 00:31:58,870 --> 00:32:02,390 And that's what we're talking about, right The the last wicket 614 00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:06,550 in the first game, 42 or 40 odd runs here. 615 00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,070 In the second one we have three more games left. 616 00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:14,910 Ben Stokes is looking for a 32V. I'm still hoping for a Ben 617 00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:18,390 Stokes basketball English cricket team revival. 618 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:20,230 I think there's a comeback waiting. 619 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:24,270 I think there's a comeback on the brink, maybe leads and 620 00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:26,070 heading, heading leads and leads, right, if I'm not 621 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:27,740 mistaken. Yes, correct. 622 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:33,380 I think you'll have memories are sort of rejoined from years, 623 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:37,100 years past and you'll see another Ben Stokes or new Ben 624 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:39,860 Stokes coming from the ether. I think Ben Stokes is going for 625 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:41,420 the kill now. There's nothing to lose. 626 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,860 You go all in and you go for the kill. 627 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,540 There's no other way to win this because you have to go up 3 two. 628 00:32:47,540 --> 00:32:49,300 You don't have any margin to lose. 629 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,080 Yep, Yep, I I agree. And then secondly, Australia's 630 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,480 without Nathan Lyon, the van, Todd Murphy, the news just came 631 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,480 in that all the Pope has dislocated his shoulder again 632 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,920 and he's out of the team. So that's that's a loss for for 633 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,000 England. One of their main mats been 634 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,320 down. But yeah, there's three Tests to 635 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,920 go. It's tough to say that England's 636 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,280 going to bounce back because if they lose the next match they've 637 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,920 basically lost the series. Australia retained the Ashes. 638 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,640 And I cannot imagine the media backlash on this England team 639 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,440 being led by two Kiwis, Merton McCullum and and Ben Stokes, 640 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,680 both born and raised in New Zealand. 641 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,320 So it's just it's a funny turn of events here. 642 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,560 But again, I've just been loving watching Test cricket and and 643 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,200 watching how intense these games have been, how it's it's a game 644 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,670 of fine margins. One session that you play badly 645 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:55,510 could cost you the match, so I think that's that's a good way 646 00:33:55,510 --> 00:33:59,710 to end this episode. This has been a review of the 647 00:33:59,710 --> 00:34:02,350 second Test of the Ashes on backward point. 648 00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:06,230 This is your your cohost Bashar signing out. 649 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:10,230 Do you have any final dots? No, this, I mean you ended it at 650 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:13,710 our strong point there. I think our predictions have 651 00:34:13,710 --> 00:34:16,960 been a bit wavered. We thought it was going to be 3 652 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,239 to England. I mean, it could still possibly 653 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,280 could be that, but hey. I said three to Australia. 654 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,679 Well, then your money's on them on the mark right now, so far as 655 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,679 it goes. I thought it was 3 to England, 656 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,440 but I I just may be off a little bit. 657 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,199 We don't know. Three games left. 658 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:32,679 It's going to go down to the wire. 659 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,000 TuneIn guys is TuneIn. So don't forget to like, 660 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,960 subscribe to podcast. Don't forget to rate us on 661 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,360 whatever platform you're listening to, if you're 662 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,679 listening to us in the car, in your room, whatever you're 663 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,800 doing, they would give us a follow. 664 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,199 Give us a subscribe and A and a review and we'll see you guys on 665 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,760 the next episode. Take care of yourselves and 666 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,600 cricket. Long live Test cricket.