All right, Saad Nase, Beram Kazi Pro Sports.
Welcome to Backward Point. Hello guys, how are you?
Thanks for having. US I have featured before as
well, but this is the first official collaboration between
Backward Point and Pro Sports. We we do listen to you guys
often and I literally am driving, yeah.
Anyway, yeah. How did you guys meet?
Yeah, we know you guys are friends.
They can like. What's the back story?
Yes, so so hum, no A levels. Spent two years in A levels, but
we weren't like tight, tight. Those they acquaintances, they
said, hey, those tight. And then Saad can tell you the
original story of pro sports, and then I can tell you how I
kind of came into the mix. Please.
A levels Kabadi moved to Canada and I studies studies of
Kebajab. I joined Pro Pakistani.
I was heading the sports section over there, so Behram.
Meanwhile Pakistan and I was like, yeah, we need to do some
video content. We always watch you guys as
well. So we've got a studio over here.
Why don't you come and let's just shoot one thing on cricket.
So Ekdin Hamne Basfesi randomly before the Sri Lanka Test
series, right? Or was it after?
It, no, it was before it we previewed the series and we
reviewed both test matches and I think third video by Jagathura
seen Pata. Yeah, so apprehensions don't
start this. You do not want to be The
Pioneers. Third video Keep the war crossed
around 15102 thousand cross we. Were like, oh damn, that's.
When they thought the bosses thought, OK, there's something
worth exploring over here. Yeah.
Or Oska batsa Perham regular or Omara AGI point.
We have to be thorough. We have to cover everything.
Jobi, Ore. Upon Jobas.
Yeah, yeah. Paki, From my perspective, I had
moved back to Pakistan in November of 2022.
I already had the grassroots cricket gig when I moved back to
I went straight to the press boxes.
Mujah Ali Tareena Confirmation DTS Chisky OK, we will sort that
out for you because I wasn't getting paid much at all.
Like you guys probably spend more on a meal than I was what I
was getting paid, right exposure and then somewhere in between, I
reckon the start of 2023 or like March, April, I got the good
areas gig, which is now Combox. So already I was like kind of
kind of doing both jobs when saw the approach me cake video guest
feature. When we started getting some
success, we were like, OK, first I was hired on a freelance
basis. Then after the PSL in 2024, I
officially joined as a full time employee.
And you know, it's been fun. It's been fun.
It's been tiring as well. Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah, it gets Pakistan cricket gets.
Tiring. There's only like a handful of
people in our circle that actually understand what we do
and Bahram and Saad are one of them.
And maybe the other one is like Doc and Rashid bhai because
they're always like as well. It's.
Probably BCB Sundays. Bro.
Sundays ke saath love great relationship I think gets
ridiculous. I think for the world the rule
is that you rest on the 7th day Sunday Club Ram Karta, but the
PCB only work on Sunday and they rest the other six days.
So it seems news release Sunday, Sunday release news right of two
consecutive Sundays. First we got the squad
announcement for the T20 World Cup and now the forfeiture
announcement. Sunday.
Or Bolada is the decision I got Friday or Monday?
It's the Pakistan Sunday board. I think Mr. Shah was also
working overtime because only with Sunday Go he pressed list
VEGDI. That's the VEGDI.
What a fart. Within an hour.
Yeah, yeah. Unlike a PCB, I thought this was
the director from the Pakistan government, but they responded
as swiftly as they possibly could.
Yeah. I want to know like where you
guys were when that happened? Like I'm pretty sure live live
better, most likely matched, live foreign.
Yeah. We literally went out after live
was done or Uber pancham office Kander to mujhe Kamara hai jani
but he watches all our content. Zed Barber Khan Muska Muji
message Aya screenshot the government director for Aapki
finally in Nunek Batmani. Damn.
Because we've been calling for a potential forfeiture for quite a
while, but this was an interesting time to do it.
Made more sense in the Jayshia Cup.
Those are made a lot more sense in the Champions Trophy.
It made the most sense in the Champions.
Trophy, right, Even this Asia Cup.
Yeah, even this Asia Cup. Second or third matches made
more sense to. Me right, we don't want to mix
cricket with politics and we want to play India.
But this Asia Cup changed things and I feel like they felt
empowered this time around having bagged all of that
franchise fee from the two new and potentially 3 new teams,
potentially heavy sums per year franchise female.
I feel like that would have empowered them to go and make
this move because this was the only real card in PCBS hand only
bargaining chip on the table. They've played it and there is a
certain inevitability with respect to it.
Yeah, I. Think.
Yeah, I think you have to strike when the iron is hot, right.
So the iron was hot in 2025, but I feel like India, Pakistan fly
in the match got moved to Dubai and we could only fly air
carrier straight to Dubai and back.
There was a lot of people like that, like a lot of people in
our stands in that game. Work came from US, Canada, UK
and they wanted to go to Lahore, they wanted to see that Virat
Kohli century in Gaddafi Stadium, but they weren't able
to or I doubt we will ever be able to see Virat Kohli like the
great I actually. Know a couple of Indians who
still made the trip to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy despite
their team not playing UK. Are they named Vikram Gupta?
No, they're not. They were followers of my work,
essentially. I guided them as much as I
could. I even told them generally lower
Karachi. But you know, there is this
thing over here that cricket is skewed.
It's not run fairly. It's the worst run major team
sport in the world, which is why this could only have continued
for so long. And this is a very genuine and
important wake up call for the cricket hegemony, you Kabila,
Kabila challenge, even if cricket and politics have always
been intertwined. Yeah, tipping point, Pakistan a
full politics. Obviously it made more sense for
them to do this in the Champions Trophy or the Asia Cup or this
Asia Cup, Yeah, and they're different ways.
About it, What are your thoughts?
Yeah. Yeah, you made a point of you
fixed your cricket team, you fixed your domestic cricket and
you become a Super in cricket on the field on the 15th of
February, Sri Lankan over there, Pakistan, India mistakes Karta
or Pakistan capitalized Karta. We might have been able to beat
India because India, Joe, those are like low score.
Melbourne may, Zimbabwe may. So this Sri Lanka game could
have been like an equalizer in terms of conditions.
So I would have warned commodity competitive, a different story,
but I mean politics, India, let's start on their level or?
There's also 12 days before this game is happening at the time
recording this, so a lot can happen in 12 days.
Maybe you and I would both be on lives and covering that game.
We don't know. Something might happen right now
as we are recording this. You can think of volatile
situation but look this can of worms was opened by India and
when you open a political can of worms, you made line, bowl bowl.
But when you But when you open a political can of firms, you have
to expect equally politically charged reactions.
And what the BCB do by saying that we won't travel to India is
also politics for opening, you know, sentiment Co appease
Karang Harpy. The fizz was sacked from the IPL
on discriminatory grounds on the basis of his nationality, which
was also to appease the BJP. Safe.
Go ahead. PCB They saw this moment as an
opportunistic one. Politics.
The popular opinion in Pakistan is that the ICC is rigged and
that's been around for quite a while opinion, so they knew
they'd gain popularity if they potentially forfeit this game.
We all want politics to stay away from cricket as well, but
this is the world that we live in and I could see this coming
as well. Politics here, I agree.
Cricket, everything makes sense to me.
Maybe like in coach decisions which are beyond the realm of
cricket or sport, right politics involved ooty India, maybe a
Pakistan, maybe a Bangladesh maybe or a region ESA cricket Ek
tool hair for their politics right?
You don't know you know countries, so I feel.
But it was. Honest how it was always.
Is it a good decision? I felt like cricket who had
always been used as a diplomatic tool.
I agree with you. It was always used to bring
people together. Like even Jab Ziagi time pick
diplomacy, they would fly to India and like you know, bring
those people together. Musharraf, Kitaimbi as well, and
even in the 2002 thousand. Kargil war, they had a series in
India, right? And it was so well done.
Chennai Kippuri audience, Napco standing ovation.
The they were heartbroken when Sachin gets out and they lose
that match in dramatic fashion. And I am not for cricket being
used as a tool for political points scoring.
I mean apartheid. I understand it to a level,
Kushni, You may say, yeah, politics you involved, but.
Was bound to happen man. Whilst I do acknowledge the
broadcaster is going to take a massive hit, rights are sold
around this game. India, Pakistan game dictates
rights. Kitty Mengi, biki jangi.
So Ambanis will take a hit but they might recover that money in
the IPL or something. The lesser in doubt cricket
boards are the biggest losers in all of this.
Sabsada, Luxhan, associate nations plus Ireland, Zimbabwe,
Afghanistan and Taraki temo koga maybe W Indies throw them in
there as well. And of course we and Pakistan
all of us also will not benefit as much as much as we could
have. QR short views of the India
Pakistan game scale good. But there is this sense that
crickets hegemony had to be challenged at some point.
Wholly cheese BR may feel karta genuine feeling I was.
Just going to say like you guys know just as much as we do it's
game key economics Kitney coming like I keep mentioning this I
keep you and I are almost the same size channels right and
then I mean yeah, he's yeah, he channel size pair.
If you were covering the NBA hockey MLB anything else except
for cricket, we would be doing this full time like we would not
have day jobs. Our arms have been in the but
I'm knows the craze of the NBA here 2019 yeah and people just
like would Toyota channels would blow up because the ad revenues
and there's just a system in place.
We've been doing this for over 2 1/2 three years.
You guys have been doing this for over 2 years as well.
There just isn't a system for the little guy to make money off
of cricket and Uski opar uski opar.
You have these types of politics being played despair or are
Jaina Basakamgaro sports. So how is how is the little guy
supposed to survive? It's just an impossible
situation. A full time job.
I'm a little guy in Iskander. We are somehow surviving
Pakistan. You know, privilege, Miljatay.
You live with your parents, you save money on rent and food and
that sort of stuff. So you can somewhat manage.
But I hear you guys. It's unfortunate cricket.
They don't take everyone together either.
We had a clip. In the Asia Cup 2023, I believe
we used the clip, it's Jaish. You have 23 vernacular 23.
So for the for the Jaisha Cup I had used, we had used the clip.
We had cut a clip, it hit a million and then we got struck.
We got struck by Star Sports. We also.
Got struck by the ICC last year, No 24 in the World Cup and then
24 also by the Australia. So, but we cannot even use
direct clips for. Any commentary or highlight and
contrast Lee, the way that Bleacher Report started was a
fan who would just RIP clips off of the NBA games and put them on
online. And instead of the NBA striking
that guy, we're like, you know what, work for us, we'll buy you
out. Work for us and do whatever you
do. Just Kuldika Gero writes Kasak.
So there's a different like there's a like when we can talk
about like how cricket is just absolutely a flawed game and we
are kind of talking about this. I had a conversation Behram an
hour and a half long conversation with Jared.
I just hit him up. I got his number from somebody
LinkedIn MNS and message key. I was like, can I just talk to
you? I need, I need to know the
economics because he again is somebody who's doing it in the
Western world, is doing it full time and who's the.
Number. So I just had directly reached
out to him and he was very kind. We talked for 90 minutes man and
I could hear him go like on at his at his dishwasher and bro
that 90 minute call like really woke me up.
I was like, damn, this is tough. This is going to be really
really tough to like make this a full time thing.
And I know you guys are doing it full time.
I really commend you guys. I don't think if we can quit our
jobs and do this full time because I know for a fact and
I'm look 24 hours be live stream till again Kevin Hart or Saint
Musketra. Can I Muska screamer the
streamers that went live with Kevin Hart?
Yeah, if we go full 24 hours live, we only be able to make
our day job monies. I don't think we can do day jobs
by the way. We are so consistent with the
content K. If you have day jobs on top of
this, it's not feasible. It's not feasible, Yeah, so.
Basically a challenge for me at least SK having a podcast
because we love cricket, we love watching it, playing it.
Now we have to watch it. Podcast tonight.
So yeah, we're trying to find us a space to like reconnect and we
kindle our love of cricket. We're not it's not like a yard
match of Dekhna. We broadcast Karnet and he keeps
cutting the engagement IE though I think how are you guys like
battling with that if you are? Yeah, Mushkil Otah, Kabbar saree
match dekhna. It's game over, Saree match.
To Dekhini Sattavanda I mean. Franchise league space to focus,
Karnaini Square to what? I don't think Saree matches,
Pakistan focus or Baki. Obviously Jobadi series cricket.
But it's difficult. It's really difficult,
especially with the toxicity in cricket these days.
The love of of cricket has died A.
Bit it has diminished a bit, but Ek Pakistan cricket
automatically the Eklitheo Baki we used to cover India very
thoroughly. We don't do that anymore because
we're blocked over there also don't make sense or or we don't
really care for bilateral white ball cricket, barring Pakistan
Test cricket Al bataam bakiyongi be the Eklithe.
I feel like we need to give that importance because there's
context around the World Test Championship.
So OAKSIAI have we like to be a bit more, you know, proactive,
but other than that ex system Banawe or different scheduling,
we plan ahead. That holds us back a bit as
well. News or hum?
Studio available now yeah, all resource available now so it's
like a bottleneck. But of course we are also quite
young and tiny as an organization and we are you
know, underfunded to a certain extent as well to resources to
be funding. However, ultimately it all comes
down to kind of that mission statement, right?
That you want to change the landscape of cricket coverage in
Pakistan and what you guys do. I feel like, correct me if I'm
wrong, but Backward Point is more of a fan podcast where we
try and come in from a completely technical point of
view. I would agree with that.
I think we started this podcast because we wanted to.
Basically, we didn't have this. You guys weren't doing this.
We weren't doing this so we didn't have this sort of content
to consume for us. Like we only had dog and rash
and like like bro what is happening?
But like like disagreement like like I understand point of view.
I was listening to their part yesterday.
They had Sami Barni on I think. Great episode by the way.
Definitely check it out. Obviously new new guest you know
has been an ICC representative for 19/20.
So dog is asking him questions back and forth.
I'm like, bro, I cannot, I cannot do this.
I literally. One thing that I feel like you
guys have cracked and we have cracked and not everyone else
has cracked is these aren't interviews bro.
These are conversations. Yes of course, back and forth.
Karnako cheese discuss Karni and logs how much they give video
content. Banana cricket with the war
interview. You know, nahi you we just need
to have that back and forth when tangents.
I think the. Chemistry, obviously, so that
matters a lot. And then we started this podcast
because we just wanted a fan's perspective.
Like we try to be analytical and we try to be as objective as
possible. Like you guys have journalistic
backgrounds as well. So I feel like you guys are a
bit more professional in that nature.
I'm look by men, I mean straight.
I was like, I will take this man down.
I actually appreciate that. I feel like the ecosystem
deserves fan podcasts as well, and you guys do a brilliant job
at that podcast. My emotions are there and I feel
space. Emotional, emotional.
We are married to objectivity, in a way.
Which we have to analyze the game itself.
Yes. Or I don't know if you guys do
this or not, but if we have a notion, at least what I do, my
method is that I'll do everything to prove my own
notion wrong, multiple sides of the coin, Milje.
So that's kind of how I go or Saad also does this.
We go about our business, but ultimately authenticity as the
forefront is at the forefront right for you guys, for us.
People won't relate to you, right?
Exactly. Our analytical, emotional.
Whatever recently saw for podcast live don't cut him off.
How do you take the criticism? Yeah, throughout our working
experience, environment or reach out, look, we are both silence,
but generally we both have the same goal, human nature.
And ultimately I feel K for us the overall goal is too high.
Neither of us are the sort of people who struggle by with
saying sorry, don't. Be.
Reason don't do any of that stuff.
And you know, this is how natural conversation goes as
well. This is how adults talk, yeah.
Mera Masla. Hey, I know that I love to speak
a lot of my LON Ki Baat card. I try to be more cognizant of
it. I'm probably on a few spectrums
as well. Like, I'm pretty sure there are
a few things. For the love of cricket,
everybody is on a spectrum. Yeah, but kabhi yrk, we have
gone a day, right? Not even a few hours.
It's not a thing, ever.
And ultimately, we were so focused and so driven to make
this show a success. Good enough?
Obviously you've grown up together.
Yeah, happy. We were also friends, right?
So obviously kyunki hum saath kaam karte and it's all
professional, but when we're hanging out, we're friends.
Both of it comes. With podcast live and then he's
like, I start here podcast and I'm just like literally we're
fighting live on camera and then I'm editing this like my wife is
editing this and I'm like, I have to cut this off.
The biggest one wasn't even a Padda.
I would say it was just like a meltdown was we were at
Islamabad United and we were shooting a podcast with Hazard
Ali and had the league come back, Bro, I know we're going to
get Naseem, we're going to shut up.
But this is the podcast that I'm like really, really excited for
and Bashar, my new team PHP notes when I very like
meticulous, right? And we shoot that thing and we
record it and Heather is like almost on the verge of crying
because he's like, his comeback is here.
And then I go to shut off our recorder and the recorder is
already off and Bashar is like, wait, what are you?
What do you mean the recorder is already off?
I think recorded together because the and Bashar just
loses his mind. Bro it's not panic.
And he's like, and Bashar is like, we have to do this again.
We have to do this again. And now Bashar is like like the
players like and Bashar was like, oh, this is the most
embarrassing thing that has ever happened.
How did this happen? But Uski, what I said, we
learned so much, man. We just like now we have like
this thorough checklist. How did she's come with triple
called triple check karte? Because I don't want to see that
face that you had brought up. Very good.
Backups are very important. Backup.
Yeah, it was just. Like one of those things and
like I realized that the Ying and Yang is like he is very
expressive when it when the shit hits the fan.
And I just found myself being very calm, like actually, let's
see what we can do. Can we do AI to like take out
the noise from the scratch audio?
And that's exactly what we did at the end of the day.
We just used the scratch audio and then we just posted that up.
So this is like part of the evolution.
I think sad is more of the calming influence over here.
I am all over the shop. Its 10,000 thoughts bouncing
around. Or he is a streamline.
We had Kane Williamson on man. We had Kane Williamson.
Or Voto Kane Williamson best Bandaki.
He stuck around for all of that nonsense.
Light, not Internet, Nothing. Oh my God.
We. Can't help it.
So what did? You.
Guys, do you had your chance now it's over, but you know Obama
UPS to mitigate these things. The problem solving the Kalwali
video may I think Saath Ki jaga was distortedly somehow we
solved that. You do learn not on the job, but
I do feel like it helps when you are extremely well planned and
meticulous process both extrangent you know like like we
do not cut any corners. We go, you know, the full Yeah.
Yeah, Full, full, full. Do you guys have?
Yes. Full we go, the full we.
Go the full do you guys have? Science is the man.
Any of the other like war stories, like tech errors guest?
Like we have a couple. There was another one actually,
the Carlos Bradford podcast. I this is again just a
miscommunication thing. It's any normal CTSP.
We were like, oh, of course somebody has brought this.
We forgot cameras to shoot this on remote audio setup and we
just shot it on our iPhone. We ran to like Walmart brought
tripods like it was a mess. Like you guys shot the whole
thing and realized. The professional battery memory
card change. Technical mishap with anyone is
the main one in Pakistan, yeah. I don't know.
Sometimes I want to talk about something and we forget about it
and now we're just. Upset come, but he will make
sure to come in the next podcast and talk.
About that. But generally, I feel like
Hamara processed coffee solid in the sense that we are mostly
quite aligned or you just naturally get good at segues.
The more you do this right, you guys probably feel that as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to know the process of
like, how does a pro sports podcast start?
Like do you guys have a dock where you guys put your ideas
in? And like, how do you guys talk
about Ki Hamlukh? I just put back.
So he makes notes. Yep.
Yeah. Notes Match Ki baat kani Match
Review a gig TS a gig Phase a gig Player Key performance of
Cooper Notes. Every observation that I have
during the game is on the notes and plus we try to challenge
ourselves, for instance, you know, All right, yeah.
Bowler bowling, what was he doing so well?
Bartlett, she's successful bowling because he was bowling
cutters at a hard length, for instance.
We feel that we need to be give people this information.
But now, right, we have to kind of, you know, push ourselves
further to be even more analytical.
Major press box. I still have this major
grievance with cricket field in the.
Field. They used to.
They used to have those field fielding positions regularly on
like the top, left, top right. You're right.
As in video games have solved this.
Why can't you? Yes, exactly. 9097.
Right, Lala the degrow. Yeah, that's the.
Frequency cricket is so scientific now that you have to
really cover all bases phase wise.
Play the Creo Cup kissness slow down key, who accelerated later.
Yeah, entry points, Yeah, fielding placements, Kathy,
certain player. Yeah.
Why did you feed that batter's hip, for instance?
So it's a constant sort of, you know, learning as well, just a
game AAP kisra up skill career apnea analysis Co, which I feel
both of us are really, really geared towards.
Yeah. But that, truth be told, apart
from review shows, preview shows, can we barely look at
that document? No notes like no notes Yeah
topic or egg jersey topic is because.
I feel like Bharam is the Bashar of pro sports.
Maybe that's my role. In back from 1 is where I make
all the notes. This is the detailed notes that
I have for a good template. Because I also chapter the
videos, I know how important it is easier.
Doing the heavy lifting at pro sports back end page to do with
the website and all that stuff which people don't even know
about, but I want to actually come back to the forfeiture.
Of course, anything could happen from here, right?
But best case scenario, maybe see reform in the ICC and you
know it's not just an event management company anymore
assault governance I cricket governance market, which is
highly unlikely. Worst case scenario, may
Pakistan gets screwed over bad, right?
Because you've pissed off people who are powerful.
Amit Shaga beta jayshah, who is president of the ICC who's under
the pump now because he has to protect the global game.
And then you've got the richest Indian in the world in Mukesh
Ambani who's bought the rights. Yeah.
I feel like they might even go out of their way and create
legal grounds to hurt Pakistan if they can, right?
They exist. They run legal grounds KO
government directive. I feel like they might like find
some loophole and and create legal grounds.
Yeah. I think if you watch
historically, 96 May, Australia didn't go to Sri Lanka, W Indies
didn't go Sri Lanka. But that was security reasons
saying I understand that those are team May England didn't go
to Zimbabwe, but those are normally Zimbabwe didn't go to
England. So like how would they make this
into a unique scenario, Yogi? Now we have to create legal
grounds and ban them. I think repercussions young, I
think. 2003 Major England didn't go to Zimbabwe.
That was on secure safety. Concerns I confirmed with Steve
Harmison. He told me security concerns.
It was because of Robert Mugabe's regime.
They weren't happy with his regime.
So they quoted safety concerns. Yeah, yeah.
They went with, I don't know, New Zealand we Kenyan security
concerns. But point is security issues the
accommodate Sri Lanka. Why will they go out of their
way to create legal grounds? Because they're pissed and
they're powerful bro. That's what makes me fear this
entire situation. You can Ek jaga japyam khushche
chalo hegemony hegemony. OK, seen a challenge.
Look here. They could really, you know,
punish or bully Pakistan even further beyond comprehension.
Like I, I don't think because there is no precedence for a
team boycotting another team on political grounds, I don't think
they can go that far. Speaking 96 was the first time,
you know, boycott on security reasons.
It was not the first time there happened in since before, but
this was the first time in the World Cup game that that
happened. Sri Lanka forfeited a game
versus Israel, I think qualifying for a World Cup or
something. In the 70s eighties department
exactly this is the that was I think the first time that it
ever happened and there were no legal repercussions, to be
honest. A-Team and sports has always
been used as a political tool in many other sports as well as
Olympics. They claim Russia, US *** US,
Russia, *** There have always been, you know, statements being
made in that regard. So now this is the first time
that it has come into cricket in a, in a, in a sport that is
already very politically charged.
So I don't know if they'll go that far.
AAP a game, the killer, the APS, Zindagi Verna healing AAP
outside line. I don't that that will be an
overreaction from the ICC and I think that's the last thing they
need right now. They've already done 1
overreaction Mustafiz and like look where we're at now.
So I think that's the. Point right, That's what
everything starts and people need to remember this society
audience. They we're not saying in
everything else wasn't political.
Everything was political, but there was actually start with,
yeah, there's a stimulus and that's the physics sacking.
So I think that needs to be kind of reiterated every time we
speak about this because it's important starting point.
If the fizz wasn't sacked in the IPL, Bangladesh would be playing
in India and Pakistan wouldn't forfeit the game, right?
But financial penalty bro, you can influence power.
I don't think in the financial penalties we must love yoga PCB.
I still think like, how will you get financial penalties for one
game? I understand it's the game.
They get a game on that on political stance, for example.
So how what kind of financial penalties are you going to put
for one game tournament? They're just not playing this
one game. You're creating a in the
pockets, and you're threatening the way the ICC is structured.
Especially Jobi kabhi bully Otana when you challenge them to
open up. Yeah, in ICC or the broadcasters
mind, who's to say? Aglawala match?
Pakistan boycott. They go why is India a bully?
Why are they the most powerful? Because for every dollar that is
made in cricket, they contribute $0.80 and they use that power
TK. So if you are creating that
massive a dent in the pockets of Ambani the broadcaster or the
guy who basically would profit potentially jopeli loss Mitchell
Let's not forget that wo masla chalra Jio starka ICC Kisat and
then Jay Shah, the son of Indias home minister is charged or
tasked with the responsibility of taking care of the global
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That's that's the crazy thing. Like I feel like like Ben
Bogley, I respect, like I will continue to respect.
He has he used to respect? No, no, I still respect him.
I think he's just like, I feel like the Indian journalists have
just have blinders on and they're not looking at it from
an objective perspective. And people say that about us
too. And maybe that's to a certain
extent you have a leading story, Pakistan here.
So that could possibly happen. But at the same time, like you
said, we try our best to look at it as neutral as possible and
see like who's right, who's wrong?
The Bogler take was insane. I've seen a lot of other
podcasts because I've been consuming a lot of this
information. Final Word 1 will come in and my
group chat to people like, I just could not believe their
take on this. And this is an insane take.
They were like, oh, Pakistan has no standing Pakistan, bro.
Like because Australia, England and India have have like has so
much success in the past 10-12 years from the big three.
Everybody else is just like, we're not either a not going to
talk about this or not going to take Pakistan side and This is
why. Pakistan politics but this has
not happened in a vacuum. India stop playing bilateral
cricket with Pakistan cut bilateral ties.
IPL can. The Pakistan players are
purposely kept out other franchise.
T. 2020 When you continue to do that, man, this becomes
inevitable. So that's why I say hoga
political reaction. But it doesn't happen in a
vacuum, and the fizz sacking triggers all of this.
I'll tell you another crazy thing like you're talking about
Pakistani players not being involved in leagues that have
like IPL backed us as content creators are also not allowed to
work with certain leagues because we have a Pakistani
league. We have wow, MLC mayor.
We've talked to not one but many a franchise Cpl. many a
franchise and either we don't ever hear back or we just get a
flight decline and and with other franchises we go far have
conversations to get. They fall out for different
reasons. For IPL backed or Indian backed
franchises, forget about it. So up isolate charity if
Pakistan has decided to forfeit a game.
If anything, you were the ones who were creating all of that
outrage and outcry when Pakistan was playing India in the Asia
Cup. Boycott, boycott.
So you shouldn't be outraged. How have they done this before
us? We also recently not just like
us but like there is somebody who worked with the box and
cricket team and he was also being shadow banned by these
Indian teams in this batches league.
So this is being escalated or we shouldn't forget like politics
called like aggregated that those are tastement the Asia Cup
to hybrid charada. It was because India refused to
come to Pakistan. But those are participant in the
Asia Cup. India refused to shake hands to
Pakistan. The captain name, he dedicate
that win to the Indian arm forces, so India Hamesha and
they're losing their mind. And everybody is.
It's not just them. I've seen it across the board.
How can Pakistan do this? Buglis take other podcasts who
have mentioned the same thing. I'm just like, really?
This is where we're drawing the line?
This is insane to me. General cricket fans, yeah,
forget passionate Pakistan cricket fans, general passionate
cricket fans won't reform in the way the sport is run.
Yes, sub chatting, right? And I don't know if you caught
this, but I was. I had the misfortune of
appearing on the Times Now panel.
I saw this. Atul Vasan says that cricket is
weaponized. I was like, Atul is right, but
who has weaponized it right? I saw your entire, I saw your
entire segment where I'm and I was, I could not believe.
I meant to be honest. I was just fast forwarding it
because I cannot, I cannot stand that show.
Like, yeah, I was like made a boy.
I want to see what he says. And you made like 2-2 really
good points and then they just completely sideswiped you.
Yeah. Like beat from mute, weaker the
other. Mute, weaker, the mere Savaloka
and jawab Indi. I kept saying we are digressing.
This is the subject matter that we are here to discuss in
Chizoka, Jawab, the Mujahk. You seen anything?
Yeah, me and my wife last night were watching Arnab.
For fun by the way. Why would you make that life
choice? I'm judging you.
Bro, it is. So funny.
It is so funny. He talks about cricket like my
dad talks about cricket when he's pissed, like when we were
like Arab Ahmed like what is cricket?
Cricket. It's just a game to colonize us.
We don't like this game. We don't want to be a part of
this game. I say cancel the World Cup yes
and then like it's the funniest thing, bro.
We were dying laughing because Saath Mehra monologue than I
could not. I mean, I like this is not a
real show. This cannot be a real show.
And like, it's that's that's when I started to understand,
like I was doing a lot of this during the Asia Cup as well,
like trying to understand what the Indian narrative is,
listening to a lot of listen to a lot of Nikhil.
And I was like, yeah, this is just even if there's trying,
even if there is a moment where they're trying to do a balance
take, like they immediately get shot down by the comments
immediately. And so I'm like this the the the
center is so, so on the right in, in their media narrative.
It's not extreme. This is also weird you can cover
Indian cricket genuinely talking strictly about the cricket and
even praising them because they're such good cricketers.
Joao the minute you have any difference in opinion to ABAB
bias Tokyo AB both constant theme anti India by anti
administrations to whom Sir BCCI they gate keep Vikrams and
Nikhils and all of that. And you know, even if they try
to be balanced in key balance takes takes arrogant I do feel.
This I agree and I've also the funniest thing is like you'll
have a full podcast about something completely different.
You'll make a random 15 second joke in the middle and someone
will listen to that in the 37 minutes.
Like I remember we were talking about podcast and our worker
final review 23 got that and we're obviously praising India
cap performance, the unbeaten, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And in the middle we made a slight joke like you, we heard K
like Modi's gonna come to the stadium, right?
And we were like, that's so funny.
K Then then in the Modi is going to come to a stadium that he
named after himself. And then we all started
laughing. I was like, that's just the peak
arrogance, bro. 50 comments on just that.
I'm like, really? And that was like middle
selective hearing. You had to go through this like
35 minute thing to get to that 132nd joke and then move on.
I was like damn bro like this is thorough.
Karl Mujhe tweet Ataki, you are such a big hypocrite.
You never talk about how Pakistan's interior minister is
also the chairman and I was like, clearly you haven't seen
any of my work. It cannot be possible kid that
you have. I said this on Times Now as well
was boy name was a false equivalence.
Daldi Maneka by governments and states are at play.
That's what I'm trying to say over here.
We met him in Florida for lunch or we met him in like, he was
very nice, very gracious. Like by the way, we did not meet
him at lunch. We're at lunch.
He was also at. Lunch.
Yes. Yes.
Clarify. Yes.
I Yes. Together we were having lunch.
Separately, just happy we were having lunch near each other.
How about that? And then so fair enough.
So we were like, yeah, Salaam ganache.
And then so after everybody ate, we were very like, families are
there when the family started going to their cars and Bashar,
who did the talking. And then I will.
It'll get messy. So Bashar was like, yeah,
Marshall, let's say I'm interior minister, Cortex minister, ACC
president, PCB chairman. Everybody started laughing and
was like. Good old this.
Guy, this guy can take a joke. I like that.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. And so like we've been like
we've been saying this, K knackers, knackers.
Like, look, you guys are rubbing off on me, right?
You guys are rubbing off on me. It's a term of endearment.
Yes, I'll come to the nicknames after this, but Naqvi sahab, he
came, he held the chair position after Amit Shah's son held the
chair position in the BCCI. Again, who is bringing politics
into which position? We like this is has been the
precedence has always been set by a certain big board and then
if everybody else follows suit, then we are the ones that are
being, you know, disrespectful. The problem?
Is yeah, it is not directly intertwined politics in cricket.
Yapito, patron and chief of the PCB, is the acting Prime
Minister. So it's all very, very overt,
not covert. I'm not bro like it's the.
Same. I get what you mean.
So they were like, you know what, we will get the interior
minister's son to head the PCCI. We were like, I'm interior
minister. It was like one of those things.
And and so like, I think like, like you said, you were talking
about reform. I don't know, Kebara.
Then we like massive reform. Anna and Yana, they're
definitely but there should be like if the ICC is serious about
world cricket and like international cricket, they have
to like take all politics out of it, political position.
They cannot be the chairperson. And I also think the patron and
chief situation in Pakistan is also stupid.
Like that should not be the case.
The. Constitution.
Reform say important Pakistan PCB.
Man, this was a big mess by Imran Khan.
He understood this. He should have.
Reformed that constitution. I keep saying.
This man, that was a huge mess. He has been advocating for so
many neutral things in cricket. This was the place where he also
used the chairman position as a. Everyone.
Everyone you. Used to be.
You understand things better than most, yeah, With regards to
cricket. Yeah, political interference of
that step, you only did the same.
And and you know, I like this on money and Wasim Khan and I can
give you some plus points of the Rambo tenure as well.
I'm not even a massive critic of the PJL.
I saw the merit in the idea we're going to start from
scratch and that's why it's all volatile.
There is no stability because no one builds processes.
They are just like. Short term goals?
Yes. Short term popularity.
Long term, and that's unfortunately one of the biggest
perils within Pakistan cricket. But it's a big unknown we're all
like interested to see and I suppose cricket might never be
the same again. This could.
This could be a watershed moment bro.
Could be, yeah. Yeah, this could.
Be or things go back to the way they were.
This could be the trigger for a six to seven month IPL.
Maybe. I think the cricket in the next
10 years could just be the IPL for half the year and one World
Cup every year like NBA or 10,000.
That's going to be how the IPL works and expand to more teams.
Others are going to book for the IPL and then maybe like once a
year we'll have a Champions Trophy or a World Cup.
Yeah, but I I don't think this will happen only because people
keep citing the NBAMLBNFL all these things.
Look how the US has, you know, made this like AUS centric sport
and the world follows. Does the world really follow?
Really. Does Europe, does Europe care
about the NBA? They don't do they don't need
to. They don't need to.
But then it stops becoming a global sport.
And cricket in its DNA has always been a global sport.
And you? Commonwealth.
Sport Common. Not quite.
Dope? Yes.
Commonwealth Sport? Yes, of course.
Imperial Cricket Conference to banana South Africa, Australia
or England. South African initiate here.
You kept out the USA, Canada, Argentina.
Yeah, Argentina had a team, though after the Mahapasu
Commonwealth, Mahi Kardiya are already dasbara Team India.
But I agree but Commonwealth ethnic countries around it just
becomes like almost a global sport and international cricket
is the the way that like the cricket is key, merit is judged
and just bring in IPL. And to be honest the IPL will
never be Test cricket. The IPL cannot be it's not in
his format, it's not in his bloodline.
And so to think if the IPL will be 6 months I doubt it Like bro
IPL abidna lambaya nikiya jata follow and.
Like oh India Pakistan the rivalry this that the other qui
farakhni partha bhai. It doesn't matter if the
contests are one sided, don't mix financial, you know billing
and marketability with the actual contest.
It could be 1 sided and Indians and Pakistanis will still TuneIn
till the end of times. I would argue it's not one sided
like wheel one in 21. In 22 it was the last.
What I meant was K hobi Jaita Farakni Partha.
Yeah, no, but like I've I've seen a lot of arguments you
Aliki 1 sided because I made a Vikram Gupta thing.
So I'm getting a lot of those DM now and a lot of the people who
are like it's always been one side.
I'm like 21 we won thrashing 10 wicket, 22 May last over, 24 May
last over. These are the last three T20 ICC
events. 22 K Isha cup or 23K20 maybe.
We won the second round and kicked in the outside.
It's like what is this like 1 sided thing you're talking
about? The Asia Cup went badly but but
at the same time the Asia Cup also final went to the last
ball, so it's been pretty close. I'll give you counter yes one
sided Pakistan give you 21 T 20 World Cup 2017 Champions Trophy
final but close games. There's a Melbourne game, the
Virat Kohli game. There is an Asia Cup game that
Pakistan won or 24 T20 World Cup and Abhi most recently Asia Cup
final Haita chari Nair close games Bakito Kisi B side K1
sided. But the larger point over here
is that has no bearing whatsoever on the amount of
money this game makes. So IPL ekor.
But an important point here, marketability.
I feel India, Indian cricket team is marketable, right?
Yeah. IPL people want to see India
play. Yes, Indians want to see India
play and win and win and play Pakistan gito game.
Obviously marketability and they want to see Indians, want to see
India play with South Africa, Australia, England, Namibia,
anything. They want to see their team win
as India, Team India. Hashtag Team India IPL I don't
think pura major part of the calendar year IPL India is as
marketable. As IPL, I agree with you, yeah.
The thing with the IPL is cricket.
Economy half a year. They won't make it a league
format rather than a tournament format.
Interesting. Guys, I, I still don't think
we're getting a six month. I don't think that's going to be
the case. I think the Ektai Pandavali
situation will probably get resolved.
I'm having a strong feeling that you and I will both be live on
that day and I I do, I think it's going to happen.
I think they'll find a way. It's too much money at stake.
I think if PCB or the government of Pakistan backtracks on this
now, Yabba balls are the backlash and knowing our
leaders, I don't think they'll be taking that chance now
unless. Bangladesh is reinstated in the
T20 World Cup and they're playing the games in Sri Lanka
because I think that's their condition, right?
Also in hybrid agreement tournaments.
In an ideal world, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh shouldn't
be hosting these tournaments at all.
But for that Nazar kiss angles are the ICC up hold, sporting
integrity, competition, consistency and fairness because
they're doing all four of those things.
That is why he feels that there will be some sort of resolution.
I just think the money I. Mean they wouldn't be in this
position had they upheld one of those things.
I just think money talks and like all we've been talking
about, but the money is getting hit and all that.
I think it's going to be, you know, the Amanis are the biggest
donors for the BJP. And if the biggest donor is
getting a hit, come on guys, do the math.
Yeah, far to the money. Let's focus back on the parks
team. I mean World Cup you're a
challenge in May. I mean like take a Pakistan
crisis about high quality keeper batsman or selection.
We use smart Khan key. Or do you guys firstly agree?
Like must I have my past, you know, looking for a really high
quality keeper who's a good keeper plus a good batsman or
who would you guys pick between this man Khan?
Let's talk with son. Seeing Quadron after, I don't
think he can keep. I thought after his debut game
came, perhaps because it was a wet ball and it was his debut
game, he couldn't do the best he could behind the stumps.
But this 3020 I versus Australia showed me enough.
Kya Banda Saives are the Farhan level keeper.
He had best. He cannot keep wicket
serviceably. But he's he's an attractive
actor. Osman Khan is agricultural, he
hasn't had that sort of success on international level, but
cello snake ketchup, knock to Khela here, B50 Maria.
The thing is that he looks the most serviceable wicket keeper
out of all of them. So he probably starts.
However, you guys tell us Hamid Pataki, you guys are not big
fans of Osman Khan, so I want you to take.
Pakistan should go into a World Cup with at least a genuine
keeper, Mohammad Harris. We know he's shared, we know he
has no awareness, no situation of awareness.
But let's use Harris as how W Indies used Ramdin in 2016.
Harris as a keeper at least he can hit something towards the
end or he'll give you like insurance Gar he keeper a child.
I know he was saying he missed the in the Asian panel, but he's
at least a better keeper than a small car and.
That that's that Mister Renard is from a genuine keeper.
What we got with Kwaja Nafe in the 5th wicket that Nawaz took
is insane. OK, Firstly that was that
slipped is insane. And then the fact that like you
did as a keeper don't know it was not right.
Like like in umpiring the colony like that, that slippage of like
the the cracks in the umpiring is also insane.
Secondly, as a keeper, like as a fielder, I know wickets break it
doesn't matter. Like you should know this as the
wicket keeper is the basic rule. But look, he is very dodgy.
He cannot do that job consistently.
If anything, Nafe provides competition for that number four
spot as a pure bat Barber. At #4 is another conversation.
I'm sure we're going to have Abhi shortly, but but they
you're not spoiled for choice. Rizwan took his own name out of
the ballot when he got retired out in Australia.
Or Harris Kayaki. If you don't get to play him in
the top order, you can't utilize him because he's a walk in
wicket with his spin. But you guys do make a point.
Kusko, Bilkul the batter after all the batters, Rakkar.
But my argument in that then take your best wicket keeper,
then take Mohammad Rizwan. But.
He's the batter after all. The bat.
But. Rizwan Bizwan is not in the team
primarily because he does not want to bat anywhere else in
into the top three Bro Kabhi flexibility Sony Kiusne who
chart baby Kilai, BBL May and BBL May like you could see he's
upset that he's playing at #4. Right, Yeah, yeah, I was, I was
of the UK. Rizwan should have played in the
middle order in the BBL, but you were right on that or Azam Khan
key fitness. He would fit in quite nicely,
but Azam Khan can't. He could be a very good spin
basher. They were keeping to the
compromise Curry then already he had to established that Even
Osman Khan he's been more than serviceable but we know he's
error prone. Karto sakta Bugalti.
The potential. Against New Zealand, we went to
New Zealand or Shaheen Made. I think it was Saim and Rizwan
were opening. They had Saim Baba open
together, but Rizwan came in the post and it's like, I don't like
Saim opening. I don't like I'm the one who was
always against even. He would always air like The
Dirty laundry in front of the press.
Stubborn. Very.
Stubborn game evolved in the game or T20 cricket in
particular that evolved rapidly at an exponential rate and these
guys were stubborn. Can our method works?
It worked in 2021 bro. It's not 2021 anymore.
Or aapki strike bowling on each year.
You need to have a powerful enough bowling attack that they
can defend power totals or they lost that as well.
Game changer. Accelerate That methodology is
dead. That approach is.
Dead. I kept saying like the game is
moving so fast that even if you're stagnant, you're actually
regressing, you're going backwards.
I feel like Baba and his one have always been like this.
Like those are game, you succeeded, those are game and
you are still that person. Bowling attack by Dekhna Harris
Rao Peking, Shaheen Bhupni prime Kandar pre injury Shaheen Shadab
Khan when you know he was a very, very good wrist spinner.
I hope that that comes back. I don't know if you've caught
Jared's ass analysis, you know, but the butt cheeks are aligned.
He's using his hips and hips don't lie.
I really hope we get frontline Shadab wrist spinner back.
But Abhita who batting you as a teammaker 46 of 19.
I'm really glad for him. We were both saying a profile
wise Shadab Khan is a shoe. Performance is a different
question, but he's performing as well now.
So there have been some good things that have happened.
Mike has NK tenure Kindle bowling and fielding has been on
the up trajectory race career batting guy Australia.
I know Saab made a video recently, but I also play Nafi's
playing at 4:00 or Small fan 5 or Barber or Fahad Dono Benz.
Where was the hypothetical playing?
But who would? Who would you ask play that?
So. So the idea behind that video is
ke Pakistan realistic raki. Confirmation will give.
You the idea behind that video is but I wouldn't take them both
to the World Cup. Yeah.
Yeah, so again, fucker versatile performances.
It'll be Dekal do T 20s or Kele Kele Kele not informed and he's
not been a great T20I player for yeah.
Right. T20, yeah.
But the Hoga or ABI recently, which performance is here, but
it's an underwhelming T20 year career and then Sati Batika
versatile to but that's in theory, right?
We haven't seen it actually happen.
But then again his recorded 4 is his best record in T20 years, so
maybe dekhna like in agaric player form many pair oski
fitness concerns with this other.
Yeah, I don't think that makes sense.
Obviously honest, we were quite vocal about this that we would
only take one or realistically Speaking of your options
Pakistan, you aren't spoiled for choice.
So they're not at all they're going and both have gone.
In fact they've both featured in the same playing 11 as well
scored the door Ki batevo saath Khilatere and Donoko.
Its not dysfunctional batting order.
Rayana get punch punch opener the top 6 May Cousins 34, He at
#3 has flipped a switch where which were hopeful kewa gay
repeatability the Kaiga. But Barber at 4 is the biggest
concern that I have. He gets stuck with suspend dude.
If he's not getting out, he's not rotating strike either or
Bichara matlab uska entry point Bahati Gandhala.
He hasn't even played much. 4 innings in 132T20 innings.
Scored a 50 though. Scored a 50 though, but we
couldn't accelerate towards the depth.
Now face should be pushing for that spot because joke told
about the Kayana boy and he can smash pace and spin but pull
shot to die for. I don't think he gets dropped
many years. My last podcast may be even if
he fails in the group stage, they won't drop him.
I agree with Saad, he comes with this reputation.
Or Hassan. Sad golfer, gotta kill.
Let me present a scenario. You're saying group stage is
over. Baba is averaging seven strike
rate 80. They don't drop him.
Oh, he's gone. He has to.
Go he has, he has to go then. But I still feel was a
reputation the base for Khilali. Or Voshat Fakhar Kopele line
Amber Charpe rather than trying Nafe out.
I don't get it. They they were gambling with
Nafe. They took a punt on the lad and
you didn't even play him in all three games versus Australia.
Yeah, either time or sample size.
But Aneka keeping me at each other.
Whatever. Pure bad kin Azaria So deko
testo Karova Chico. Let me let me let me present
another scenario. Super first round stage Barber
averages 20 strike rate 100 that.
Do they carry him to the next round?
No, they shouldn't. They will.
They shouldn't, but they will. Bro if he is averaging 35 with a
strike rate of 110. But they probably will and
that's unfortunate. Netherlands are a match washout.
Like it says 64% chance of rain but the rain is like 1.5mm so
it's not that much rain or Sri Lanka.
Drizzling can't play. Ek washout Ki.
Maare Pak wins against USA and Namibia and Netherlands either
loses to one of them. Target Pakistan #2 finish
career. If they are level on points with
another team then chances are they're not going to go through
because net run rate hit topco milli millia forfeiture.
But look, even if they somehow managed to get those games in, I
feel Pakistan team make it. They wouldn't slip up versus an
associate team, but then Pakistan.
I cannot. I cannot believe.
I cannot believe that the tournament hasn't even started
and we are already doing PCT math.
I cannot believe you're here. We are already here.
The good part is points carry forward while I seen the Super 8
is a clean slate and if they survive the group stage.
OK again I really hope you are Sri Lanka ground staff best in
the world pouring buckets and shit.
Yeah how? How?
How hard would it have been to just be like UAE and India
tournament? Like that would have been an
easier call for me, like together.
So why did we have to make this India and Sri Lanka tournament
when it could have been an India and UAE tournament?
That's all I'm thinking. Probably cost cost.
Guessing Sri Lanka's cheaper? Fair enough.
Hotels and stuff. Fair enough.
Fair. Enough, Yeah.
Yeah, that's. Who puts their boycott?
We got the old calls. I'm friends with Mark Machado,
right? He keeps going to Sri Lanka.
Whatever standard of life you have in Pakistan, I can promise
you Sri Lanka will be cheaper. Just come.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sri Lanka for a vacation it was
like super cheap, great beaches, amazing food, nice people.
Though it's not a bad spot to explore.
It's a very, very hot take. A Pakistan somehow makes it to
the Super eights. How are the group?
It's England, it's Sri Lanka, It's New Zealand.
Hamluk Super four with the top 4.
The class of them, like we England, struggles in Asia.
Semi best case scenario might even be final.
Semis is not an unrealistic sort of scenario because you do get
the easier of the two Super Eight groups.
The three best teams in this competition are India,
Australia, South Africa. All three of them will be, you
know, pitted against each. Other and England, New Zealand
and Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka are beatable.
Yeah, England and Sri Lanka you should beat because ball turned
karegito Pakarajaga. Harry broke.
He'll complain about the pitch and what not, right?
New Zealand is probably the sturdiest competition Pakistan
will face because Jobi Carlo by when?
Makar Khushkari, Jati, Yeah. So I think they can win that
game. It'll ultimately come down to
whether they can win 2 out of three.
And New Zealand is also team Jisko, Pakhra Jasaktan
conditions. Finn Allen and Tim Seifert might
not be able to cause so much, you know, carnage in those
conditions. I think the conditions have
because they preferred the 15160.
I hope the wickets only get tired further QK when you're
facing Senna teams. That will definitely benefit
Pakistan. What if there's due in the
second innings? A series kinder Australia, they
had to field first once they didn't, or second innings
method, they always chased. They never prepared for the
adverse situations. I just checked Salman earlier,
70% toss win ratio. He's won 30.
It's a very high chance that. He wins toss I hope.
I reckon you're not a STEM student Bashar, but previous
decided results and a probability they do not apply to
what goes on later TK following the.
Drain What's the pro sports? I was just gonna ask that, yes.
What? Do.
You guys, then you've got shine. Every day.
I would play Salman. Mirza I would also play Salman
Mirza ahead of Naseem but Naseem go back of a lens slower one to
Qatar Marta that could be useful in Sri Lanka.
And then Abrar Ahmed, Uzi Tariq, so 11, OK, if you want to play 2
spinners, you bring in Uzi Tariq for Salman.
Mirza yeah, I suppose Salman Mirza sits out then or
Shydasamaka Mileya. It's good that Hessen has tried
that a couple of times. Osnikhilaya Dono Frontline
spinners go in tandem. They took all 10 wickets as
well. Pakistan spinners so spinners.
So spin bowling attack looks good.
Let's see conditions but I feel like we are both tilting towards
Nafi ahead of Babar. Although Hona Kabibining Yeah
but we take a punt on him. I just.
My gut says Babar at #4 is a massive massive mistake and I
hope he proves me wrong. You get Babar Azamayar.
You're saying Usman Khan because we need a keeper and Kwaja has
proved and Nafi has proved that keeping is not his Forte, though
Nafi potentially might set out this tournament because of a #4
superstar. Yep.
Yeah, and let's say K Babble key performance in the HR pay.
You really think they're going to go to NAFE before they go to
fucker? That's a good point.
They might. They might.
I think they might. They've taken such chances
before. We also feel they might go for
Naseema head of Salman Mirza. Yeah, hame AB.
I feel like they will only play Shaheen and then Fahim will be
our second seamer. They will go with the spin.
Have you back Kasai, Mugasha, Nawaz, Abrah, Swan, Tarek and.
Spinning to pit, That's not a bad ploy.
But they realistically speaking, Mike Hesson's philosophy is
built around multifaceted cricketers, right?
This is not new. Go to his New Zealand teams.
Look at the likes of Grant Elliott, Corey Anderson, Colin
de Grandom, Jimmy Nisham, Nathan, Nathan McCollum, right
is boys Rakthesh Ranky batting line up deep karnickly.
So everything or you know, almost everything hinges on
Pakistan's multifaceted players over here.
Sai Mayub picked up some form or incisive O'hair bowling.
Shadab Khan could be your trump card in terms of fixing that
batting stability. While Sarah Seen Nawaz is your
MVP. There is no doubting that 2025
MVP abuse. The best figures in Australia,
the best bits and pieces that I've ever assembled, right.
Love all the bits, love all the pieces, yeah.
My heart take from this series is Australia series was that
even though Agra was insanely good, I think I am a huge player
of the series. Yeah, same.
We have the same feel. He has the same.
Time over. Our guys played the series.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be a bhakti percent, Yeah.
In volleyball, I don't know if I was that was like my Karachi
agenda, speaking as I was like I love my Karachi players, but.
It makes complete sense, right? But maybe he.
Did with the bat and he contributed with the ball.
Three plus knocks in all three games or incisive twice.
Travis Head in once match short. That's pretty massive.
I think I. Think.
I think they gave Salman. I think it was deserved.
He was my #2 in the series. I just think they were trying to
counter the whole Sky thing because Sky got player the
series there and. Then Mega auction, that's a
different podcast. On Sky and Salman Ali, yeah.
Surya Kumar and Salman Ali Yadav, but he's capable of these
things. We thought he wasn't cut out for
T20 cricket but now he's proving it otherwise.
I really hope things come come together for Pakistan with
respect to the batting because that's their Achilles heel and
it is still dysfunctional, right, The batting lineup.
Yeah, both of reality, Yeah, at. Least less dysfunctional now by
the. Way slightly Nafik.
He'll get the coffee. Coffee less dysfunctional.
That's probably the short of the series, right?
Like has to be. Yeah, definitely.
Nafi has that. We had one of my friends is
Shayan plays cricket. I don't know if you guys know
him. He's he makes that.
Yeah. Great guy.
Blogger from Karachi. He played with Nafi in like
those league games and usnim was it like dare dos al Pele vada
bro, you Nafi keep an eye on this guy.
This guy's crazy talented. You know, he had, he was picked
for the cup, Premier League I think.
I'm not. Sure, something like that.
Is a top order pace pace really well?
Also is a gun fielder keeping the ski 14 basically like how
2015 that's basically keeping that?
Yeah, Umi Jani, you know, catch maybe a difference here.
Like it doesn't have to be a chance.
He's just not as tidy or pirvo stumping to sabke Samnathi.
Then he also like was an eternity to reacting to catch
catch. Unfortunately, because you guys
live in Sambar, do you guys get the chance to go and see games
live like? Day 4 year Day 5.
South Africa, Pakistan. Before lunch, the game was done.
Or yeah, for two years straight I went to every game in the
press box and then when I got shadow banned, I also kind of
got married. So it kind of worked out.
I never made money going to the games.
These other shows are going knock on word, really grateful
for that to Zanurat Dini party. However, T20 is my life Janak
experience and you guys should definitely try that.
Out, Yeah. Have you guys seen the new
Lahore Stadium? Yeah, we've seen the new Final
Four. That was an experience.
That was a great game as well. That was great game.
Generally in gold category, yes. Yes.
Category foreign players. They dictate terms.
Good, good. We.
We also had a great time with Sikkubai here when he was at the
GT-20 and just a very lovely lad, really good Punjabi I was
not. Such a wonderful bloke.
Yeah, guys, we really appreciate this time.
Honestly, like we went a little bit over.
This was a long time coming. 55 minutes.
I feel like we had a lot of catching up to do in the middle
as well. I also wanted to know like where
you guys like how do you guys assemble?
How many assembly you? Went from being a poet to a
cricket. Yeah, poetry, that's.
Quite a transition. I I, I felt like, yeah, no, I'm
coming back to that. Like I wanted to restart my own
personal books books channel as well.
You see this, this is not for sure.
We actually, I'm actually a avid reader.
Like I don't know how to even do do anything else right now.
So plus, you know, I have a family, kid, baby, all that
stuff. But yeah, we will try our best.
No, thank you guys for taking the time out.
I really appreciate it. It was a long time coming.
I know we wanted to do it in person.
When? I had in.
Person. When you guys are over in Islam.
But if you're ever over, yes, that'll be fun.
Yeah. Done, done, done.
Probably lose, but. So whenever you're in.
Inevitably, eventually, I I'm thinking 2027.
Let's see where life takes. In China for sure.
And then? South Africa, maybe.
South Africa maybe? Yeah, Cape Town for sure.
It was lovely guys. And then I will now cut the pod
here.