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All right, Saad Nase, Beram Kazi
Pro Sports. 

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Welcome to Backward Point. 
Hello guys, how are you? 

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Thanks for having. 
US I have featured before as 

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well, but this is the first 
official collaboration between 

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Backward Point and Pro Sports. 
We we do listen to you guys 

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often and I literally am 
driving, yeah. 

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Anyway, yeah. 
How did you guys meet? 

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Yeah, we know you guys are 
friends. 

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They can like. 
What's the back story? 

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Yes, so so hum, no A levels. 
Spent two years in A levels, but

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we weren't like tight, tight. 
Those they acquaintances, they 

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said, hey, those tight. 
And then Saad can tell you the 

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original story of pro sports, 
and then I can tell you how I 

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kind of came into the mix. 
Please. 

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A levels Kabadi moved to Canada 
and I studies studies of 

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Kebajab. 
I joined Pro Pakistani. 

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I was heading the sports section
over there, so Behram. 

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Meanwhile Pakistan and I was 
like, yeah, we need to do some 

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video content. 
We always watch you guys as 

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well. 
So we've got a studio over here.

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Why don't you come and let's 
just shoot one thing on cricket.

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So Ekdin Hamne Basfesi randomly 
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series, right? 
Or was it after? 

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It, no, it was before it we 
previewed the series and we 

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reviewed both test matches and I
think third video by Jagathura 

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seen Pata. 
Yeah, so apprehensions don't 

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start this. 
You do not want to be The 

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Pioneers. 
Third video Keep the war crossed

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around 15102 thousand cross we. 
Were like, oh damn, that's. 

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When they thought the bosses 
thought, OK, there's something 

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worth exploring over here. 
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Or Oska batsa Perham regular or 
Omara AGI point. 

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We have to be thorough. 
We have to cover everything. 

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Jobi, Ore. 
Upon Jobas. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Paki, From my perspective, I had

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moved back to Pakistan in 
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I already had the grassroots 
cricket gig when I moved back to

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I went straight to the press 
boxes. 

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Mujah Ali Tareena Confirmation 
DTS Chisky OK, we will sort that

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out for you because I wasn't 
getting paid much at all. 

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Like you guys probably spend 
more on a meal than I was what I

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was getting paid, right exposure
and then somewhere in between, I

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reckon the start of 2023 or like
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areas gig, which is now Combox. 
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kind of doing both jobs when saw
the approach me cake video guest

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feature. 
When we started getting some 

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success, we were like, OK, first
I was hired on a freelance 

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basis. 
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officially joined as a full time
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And you know, it's been fun. 
It's been fun. 

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It's been tiring as well. 
Yeah, I'm sure. 

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Yeah, it gets Pakistan cricket 
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Tiring. 
There's only like a handful of 

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people in our circle that 
actually understand what we do 

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and Bahram and Saad are one of 
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And maybe the other one is like 
Doc and Rashid bhai because 

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they're always like as well. 
It's. 

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Probably BCB Sundays. 
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Sundays ke saath love great 
relationship I think gets 

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ridiculous. 
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is that you rest on the 7th day 
Sunday Club Ram Karta, but the 

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PCB only work on Sunday and they
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So it seems news release Sunday,
Sunday release news right of two

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consecutive Sundays. 
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announcement for the T20 World 
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announcement. 
Sunday. 

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Or Bolada is the decision I got 
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It's the Pakistan Sunday board. 
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working overtime because only 
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VEGDI. 
That's the VEGDI. 

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What a fart. 
Within an hour. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Unlike a PCB, I thought this was

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the director from the Pakistan 
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as swiftly as they possibly 
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Yeah. 
I want to know like where you 

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guys were when that happened? 
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better, most likely matched, 
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Yeah. 
We literally went out after live

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was done or Uber pancham office 
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but he watches all our content. 
Zed Barber Khan Muska Muji 

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message Aya screenshot the 
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finally in Nunek Batmani. 
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Because we've been calling for a
potential forfeiture for quite a

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while, but this was an 
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Made more sense in the Jayshia 
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Those are made a lot more sense 
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It made the most sense in the 
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Trophy, right, Even this Asia 
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Yeah, even this Asia Cup. 
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more sense to. 
Me right, we don't want to mix 

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cricket with politics and we 
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But this Asia Cup changed things
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empowered this time around 
having bagged all of that 

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franchise fee from the two new 
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potentially heavy sums per year 
franchise female. 

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I feel like that would have 
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this move because this was the 
only real card in PCBS hand only

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bargaining chip on the table. 
They've played it and there is a

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certain inevitability with 
respect to it. 

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Yeah, I. 
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Yeah, I think you have to strike
when the iron is hot, right. 

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So the iron was hot in 2025, but
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in the match got moved to Dubai 
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carrier straight to Dubai and 
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There was a lot of people like 
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our stands in that game. 
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and they wanted to go to Lahore,
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Kohli century in Gaddafi 
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to or I doubt we will ever be 
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great I actually. 
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still made the trip to Pakistan 
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their team not playing UK. 
Are they named Vikram Gupta? 

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No, they're not. 
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essentially. 
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could. 
I even told them generally lower

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Karachi. 
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thing over here that cricket is 
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It's not run fairly. 
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sport in the world, which is why
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for so long. 
And this is a very genuine and 

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important wake up call for the 
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Kabila challenge, even if 
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been intertwined. 
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full politics. 
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them to do this in the Champions
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Asia Cup, Yeah, and they're 
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About it, What are your 
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Yeah. 
Yeah, you made a point of you 

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fixed your cricket team, you 
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you become a Super in cricket on
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February, Sri Lankan over there,
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or Pakistan capitalized Karta. 
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India because India, Joe, those 
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Melbourne may, Zimbabwe may. 
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have been like an equalizer in 
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So I would have warned commodity
competitive, a different story, 

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but I mean politics, India, 
let's start on their level or? 

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There's also 12 days before this
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recording this, so a lot can 
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Maybe you and I would both be on
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We don't know. 
Something might happen right now

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as we are recording this. 
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situation but look this can of 
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when you open a political can of
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But when you But when you open a
political can of firms, you have

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to expect equally politically 
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And what the BCB do by saying 
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also politics for opening, you 
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Karang Harpy. 
The fizz was sacked from the IPL

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on discriminatory grounds on the
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was also to appease the BJP. 
Safe. 

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Go ahead. 
PCB They saw this moment as an 

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opportunistic one. 
Politics. 

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The popular opinion in Pakistan 
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that's been around for quite a 
while opinion, so they knew 

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they'd gain popularity if they 
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We all want politics to stay 
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this is the world that we live 
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as well. 
Politics here, I agree. 

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Cricket, everything makes sense 
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Maybe like in coach decisions 
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cricket or sport, right politics
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Pakistan, maybe a Bangladesh 
maybe or a region ESA cricket Ek

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tool hair for their politics 
right? 

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You don't know you know 
countries, so I feel. 

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But it was. 
Honest how it was always. 

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Is it a good decision? 
I felt like cricket who had 

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always been used as a diplomatic
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I agree with you. 
It was always used to bring 

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people together. 
Like even Jab Ziagi time pick 

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diplomacy, they would fly to 
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those people together. 
Musharraf, Kitaimbi as well, and

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even in the 2002 thousand. 
Kargil war, they had a series in

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India, right? 
And it was so well done. 

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Chennai Kippuri audience, Napco 
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The they were heartbroken when 
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that match in dramatic fashion. 
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used as a tool for political 
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I mean apartheid. 
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Kushni, You may say, yeah, 
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Was bound to happen man. 
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broadcaster is going to take a 
massive hit, rights are sold 

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around this game. 
India, Pakistan game dictates 

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rights. 
Kitty Mengi, biki jangi. 

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So Ambanis will take a hit but 
they might recover that money in

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the IPL or something. 
The lesser in doubt cricket 

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boards are the biggest losers in
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Sabsada, Luxhan, associate 
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Afghanistan and Taraki temo koga
maybe W Indies throw them in 

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there as well. 
And of course we and Pakistan 

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all of us also will not benefit 
as much as much as we could 

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have. 
QR short views of the India 

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Pakistan game scale good. 
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crickets hegemony had to be 
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Wholly cheese BR may feel karta 
genuine feeling I was. 

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Just going to say like you guys 
know just as much as we do it's 

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game key economics Kitney coming
like I keep mentioning this I 

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keep you and I are almost the 
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then I mean yeah, he's yeah, he 
channel size pair. 

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If you were covering the NBA 
hockey MLB anything else except 

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for cricket, we would be doing 
this full time like we would not

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have day jobs. 
Our arms have been in the but 

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I'm knows the craze of the NBA 
here 2019 yeah and people just 

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like would Toyota channels would
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and there's just a system in 
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We've been doing this for over 2
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You guys have been doing this 
for over 2 years as well. 

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There just isn't a system for 
the little guy to make money off

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of cricket and Uski opar uski 
opar. 

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You have these types of politics
being played despair or are 

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Jaina Basakamgaro sports. 
So how is how is the little guy 

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supposed to survive? 
It's just an impossible 

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situation. 
A full time job. 

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I'm a little guy in Iskander. 
We are somehow surviving 

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Pakistan. 
You know, privilege, Miljatay. 

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You live with your parents, you 
save money on rent and food and 

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that sort of stuff. 
So you can somewhat manage. 

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But I hear you guys. 
It's unfortunate cricket. 

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They don't take everyone 
together either. 

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We had a clip. 
In the Asia Cup 2023, I believe 

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we used the clip, it's Jaish. 
You have 23 vernacular 23. 

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So for the for the Jaisha Cup I 
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We had cut a clip, it hit a 
million and then we got struck. 

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We got struck by Star Sports. 
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Got struck by the ICC last year,
No 24 in the World Cup and then 

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24 also by the Australia. 
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direct clips for. 
Any commentary or highlight and 

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contrast Lee, the way that 
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fan who would just RIP clips off
of the NBA games and put them on

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online. 
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that guy, we're like, you know 
what, work for us, we'll buy you

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out. 
Work for us and do whatever you 

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do. 
Just Kuldika Gero writes Kasak. 

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So there's a different like 
there's a like when we can talk 

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about like how cricket is just 
absolutely a flawed game and we 

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are kind of talking about this. 
I had a conversation Behram an 

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hour and a half long 
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I just hit him up. 
I got his number from somebody 

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LinkedIn MNS and message key. 
I was like, can I just talk to 

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you? 
I need, I need to know the 

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economics because he again is 
somebody who's doing it in the 

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Western world, is doing it full 
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Number. 
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out to him and he was very kind.
We talked for 90 minutes man and

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I could hear him go like on at 
his at his dishwasher and bro 

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that 90 minute call like really 
woke me up. 

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I was like, damn, this is tough.
This is going to be really 

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really tough to like make this a
full time thing. 

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And I know you guys are doing it
full time. 

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I really commend you guys. 
I don't think if we can quit our

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jobs and do this full time 
because I know for a fact and 

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I'm look 24 hours be live stream
till again Kevin Hart or Saint 

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Musketra. 
Can I Muska screamer the 

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streamers that went live with 
Kevin Hart? 

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Yeah, if we go full 24 hours 
live, we only be able to make 

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our day job monies. 
I don't think we can do day jobs

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by the way. 
We are so consistent with the 

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content K. 
If you have day jobs on top of 

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this, it's not feasible. 
It's not feasible, Yeah, so. 

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Basically a challenge for me at 
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because we love cricket, we love
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Now we have to watch it. 
Podcast tonight. 

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So yeah, we're trying to find us
a space to like reconnect and we

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kindle our love of cricket. 
We're not it's not like a yard 

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match of Dekhna. 
We broadcast Karnet and he keeps

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cutting the engagement IE though
I think how are you guys like 

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battling with that if you are? 
Yeah, Mushkil Otah, Kabbar saree

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match dekhna. 
It's game over, Saree match. 

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To Dekhini Sattavanda I mean. 
Franchise league space to focus,

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Karnaini Square to what? 
I don't think Saree matches, 

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Pakistan focus or Baki. 
Obviously Jobadi series cricket.

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It's really difficult, 

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especially with the toxicity in 
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The love of of cricket has died 
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Bit it has diminished a bit, but
Ek Pakistan cricket 

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automatically the Eklitheo Baki 
we used to cover India very 

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thoroughly. 
We don't do that anymore because

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we're blocked over there also 
don't make sense or or we don't 

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really care for bilateral white 
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Test cricket Al bataam bakiyongi
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I feel like we need to give that
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context around the World Test 
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So OAKSIAI have we like to be a 
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but other than that ex system 
Banawe or different scheduling, 

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we plan ahead. 
That holds us back a bit as 

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well. 
News or hum? 

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Studio available now yeah, all 
resource available now so it's 

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like a bottleneck. 
But of course we are also quite 

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young and tiny as an 
organization and we are you 

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know, underfunded to a certain 
extent as well to resources to 

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be funding. 
However, ultimately it all comes

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down to kind of that mission 
statement, right? 

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That you want to change the 
landscape of cricket coverage in

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Pakistan and what you guys do. 
I feel like, correct me if I'm 

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wrong, but Backward Point is 
more of a fan podcast where we 

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try and come in from a 
completely technical point of 

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view. 
I would agree with that. 

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I think we started this podcast 
because we wanted to. 

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Basically, we didn't have this. 
You guys weren't doing this. 

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We weren't doing this so we 
didn't have this sort of content

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to consume for us. 
Like we only had dog and rash 

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and like like bro what is 
happening? 

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But like like disagreement like 
like I understand point of view.

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I was listening to their part 
yesterday. 

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They had Sami Barni on I think. 
Great episode by the way. 

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Definitely check it out. 
Obviously new new guest you know

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has been an ICC representative 
for 19/20. 

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So dog is asking him questions 
back and forth. 

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I'm like, bro, I cannot, I 
cannot do this. 

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I literally. 
One thing that I feel like you 

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guys have cracked and we have 
cracked and not everyone else 

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has cracked is these aren't 
interviews bro. 

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These are conversations. 
Yes of course, back and forth. 

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Karnako cheese discuss Karni and
logs how much they give video 

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content. 
Banana cricket with the war 

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interview. 
You know, nahi you we just need 

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to have that back and forth when
tangents. 

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I think the. 
Chemistry, obviously, so that 

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matters a lot. 
And then we started this podcast

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because we just wanted a fan's 
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Like we try to be analytical and
we try to be as objective as 

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possible. 
Like you guys have journalistic 

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backgrounds as well. 
So I feel like you guys are a 

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bit more professional in that 
nature. 

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I'm look by men, I mean 
straight. 

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I was like, I will take this man
down. 

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I actually appreciate that. 
I feel like the ecosystem 

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deserves fan podcasts as well, 
and you guys do a brilliant job 

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at that podcast. 
My emotions are there and I feel

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space. 
Emotional, emotional. 

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We are married to objectivity, 
in a way. 

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Which we have to analyze the 
game itself. 

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Yes. 
Or I don't know if you guys do 

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this or not, but if we have a 
notion, at least what I do, my 

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method is that I'll do 
everything to prove my own 

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notion wrong, multiple sides of 
the coin, Milje. 

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So that's kind of how I go or 
Saad also does this. 

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We go about our business, but 
ultimately authenticity as the 

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forefront is at the forefront 
right for you guys, for us. 

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People won't relate to you, 
right? 

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Exactly. 
Our analytical, emotional. 

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Whatever recently saw for 
podcast live don't cut him off. 

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How do you take the criticism? 
Yeah, throughout our working 

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experience, environment or reach
out, look, we are both silence, 

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but generally we both have the 
same goal, human nature. 

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And ultimately I feel K for us 
the overall goal is too high. 

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Neither of us are the sort of 
people who struggle by with 

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saying sorry, don't. 
Be. 

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Reason don't do any of that 
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And you know, this is how 
natural conversation goes as 

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well. 
This is how adults talk, yeah. 

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Mera Masla. 
Hey, I know that I love to speak

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a lot of my LON Ki Baat card. 
I try to be more cognizant of 

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it. 
I'm probably on a few spectrums 

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as well. 
Like, I'm pretty sure there are 

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a few things. 
For the love of cricket, 

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everybody is on a spectrum. 
Yeah, but kabhi yrk, we have 

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gone a day, right? 
Not even a few hours. 

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Not even a few hours. 
It's not a thing, ever. 

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And ultimately, we were so 
focused and so driven to make 

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this show a success. 
Good enough? 

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Obviously you've grown up 
together. 

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Yeah, happy. 
We were also friends, right? 

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So obviously kyunki hum saath 
kaam karte and it's all 

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professional, but when we're 
hanging out, we're friends. 

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Both of it comes. 
With podcast live and then he's 

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like, I start here podcast and 
I'm just like literally we're 

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fighting live on camera and then
I'm editing this like my wife is

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editing this and I'm like, I 
have to cut this off. 

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The biggest one wasn't even a 
Padda. 

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I would say it was just like a 
meltdown was we were at 

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Islamabad United and we were 
shooting a podcast with Hazard 

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Ali and had the league come 
back, Bro, I know we're going to

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get Naseem, we're going to shut 
up. 

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But this is the podcast that I'm
like really, really excited for 

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and Bashar, my new team PHP 
notes when I very like 

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meticulous, right? 
And we shoot that thing and we 

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record it and Heather is like 
almost on the verge of crying 

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because he's like, his comeback 
is here. 

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And then I go to shut off our 
recorder and the recorder is 

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already off and Bashar is like, 
wait, what are you? 

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What do you mean the recorder is
already off? 

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I think recorded together 
because the and Bashar just 

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loses his mind. 
Bro it's not panic. 

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And he's like, and Bashar is 
like, we have to do this again. 

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We have to do this again. 
And now Bashar is like like the 

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players like and Bashar was 
like, oh, this is the most 

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embarrassing thing that has ever
happened. 

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How did this happen? 
But Uski, what I said, we 

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learned so much, man. 
We just like now we have like 

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this thorough checklist. 
How did she's come with triple 

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called triple check karte? 
Because I don't want to see that

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face that you had brought up. 
Very good. 

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Backups are very important. 
Backup. 

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Yeah, it was just. 
Like one of those things and 

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like I realized that the Ying 
and Yang is like he is very 

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expressive when it when the shit
hits the fan. 

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And I just found myself being 
very calm, like actually, let's 

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see what we can do. 
Can we do AI to like take out 

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the noise from the scratch 
audio? 

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And that's exactly what we did 
at the end of the day. 

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We just used the scratch audio 
and then we just posted that up.

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So this is like part of the 
evolution. 

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I think sad is more of the 
calming influence over here. 

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I am all over the shop. 
Its 10,000 thoughts bouncing 

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around. 
Or he is a streamline. 

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We had Kane Williamson on man. 
We had Kane Williamson. 

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Or Voto Kane Williamson best 
Bandaki. 

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He stuck around for all of that 
nonsense. 

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Light, not Internet, Nothing. 
Oh my God. 

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We. 
Can't help it. 

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So what did? 
You. 

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Guys, do you had your chance now
it's over, but you know Obama 

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UPS to mitigate these things. 
The problem solving the Kalwali 

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video may I think Saath Ki jaga 
was distortedly somehow we 

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solved that. 
You do learn not on the job, but

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I do feel like it helps when you
are extremely well planned and 

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meticulous process both 
extrangent you know like like we

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do not cut any corners. 
We go, you know, the full Yeah. 

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Yeah, Full, full, full. 
Do you guys have? 

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Yes. 
Full we go, the full we. 

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Go the full do you guys have? 
Science is the man. 

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Any of the other like war 
stories, like tech errors guest?

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Like we have a couple. 
There was another one actually, 

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the Carlos Bradford podcast. 
I this is again just a 

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miscommunication thing. 
It's any normal CTSP. 

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We were like, oh, of course 
somebody has brought this. 

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We forgot cameras to shoot this 
on remote audio setup and we 

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just shot it on our iPhone. 
We ran to like Walmart brought 

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tripods like it was a mess. 
Like you guys shot the whole 

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thing and realized. 
The professional battery memory 

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card change. 
Technical mishap with anyone is 

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the main one in Pakistan, yeah. 
I don't know. 

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Sometimes I want to talk about 
something and we forget about it

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and now we're just. 
Upset come, but he will make 

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sure to come in the next podcast
and talk. 

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About that. 
But generally, I feel like 

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Hamara processed coffee solid in
the sense that we are mostly 

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quite aligned or you just 
naturally get good at segues. 

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The more you do this right, you 
guys probably feel that as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I wanted to know the process of 

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like, how does a pro sports 
podcast start? 

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Like do you guys have a dock 
where you guys put your ideas 

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in? 
And like, how do you guys talk 

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about Ki Hamlukh? 
I just put back. 

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So he makes notes. 
Yep. 

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Yeah. 
Notes Match Ki baat kani Match 

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Review a gig TS a gig Phase a 
gig Player Key performance of 

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Cooper Notes. 
Every observation that I have 

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during the game is on the notes 
and plus we try to challenge 

451
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,760
ourselves, for instance, you 
know, All right, yeah. 

452
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,880
Bowler bowling, what was he 
doing so well? 

453
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Bartlett, she's successful 
bowling because he was bowling 

454
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,240
cutters at a hard length, for 
instance. 

455
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,360
We feel that we need to be give 
people this information. 

456
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,800
But now, right, we have to kind 
of, you know, push ourselves 

457
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,400
further to be even more 
analytical. 

458
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,080
Major press box. 
I still have this major 

459
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,400
grievance with cricket field in 
the. 

460
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:25,240
Field. 
They used to. 

461
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,000
They used to have those field 
fielding positions regularly on 

462
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,960
like the top, left, top right. 
You're right. 

463
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,680
As in video games have solved 
this. 

464
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,120
Why can't you? 
Yes, exactly. 9097. 

465
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Right, Lala the degrow. 
Yeah, that's the. 

466
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Frequency cricket is so 
scientific now that you have to 

467
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,000
really cover all bases phase 
wise. 

468
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Play the Creo Cup kissness slow 
down key, who accelerated later.

469
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Yeah, entry points, Yeah, 
fielding placements, Kathy, 

470
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,040
certain player. 
Yeah. 

471
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,040
Why did you feed that batter's 
hip, for instance? 

472
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,240
So it's a constant sort of, you 
know, learning as well, just a 

473
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,560
game AAP kisra up skill career 
apnea analysis Co, which I feel 

474
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,240
both of us are really, really 
geared towards. 

475
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
Yeah. 
But that, truth be told, apart 

476
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,000
from review shows, preview 
shows, can we barely look at 

477
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:36,080
that document? 
No notes like no notes Yeah 

478
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,440
topic or egg jersey topic is 
because. 

479
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
I feel like Bharam is the Bashar
of pro sports. 

480
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,520
Maybe that's my role. 
In back from 1 is where I make 

481
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,600
all the notes. 
This is the detailed notes that 

482
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,960
I have for a good template. 
Because I also chapter the 

483
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:58,000
videos, I know how important it 
is easier. 

484
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,080
Doing the heavy lifting at pro 
sports back end page to do with 

485
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,440
the website and all that stuff 
which people don't even know 

486
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,400
about, but I want to actually 
come back to the forfeiture. 

487
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Of course, anything could happen
from here, right? 

488
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,200
But best case scenario, maybe 
see reform in the ICC and you 

489
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200
know it's not just an event 
management company anymore 

490
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,760
assault governance I cricket 
governance market, which is 

491
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,800
highly unlikely. 
Worst case scenario, may 

492
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Pakistan gets screwed over bad, 
right? 

493
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Because you've pissed off people
who are powerful. 

494
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,160
Amit Shaga beta jayshah, who is 
president of the ICC who's under

495
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,920
the pump now because he has to 
protect the global game. 

496
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
And then you've got the richest 
Indian in the world in Mukesh 

497
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Ambani who's bought the rights. 
Yeah. 

498
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,080
I feel like they might even go 
out of their way and create 

499
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,360
legal grounds to hurt Pakistan 
if they can, right? 

500
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,480
They exist. 
They run legal grounds KO 

501
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,960
government directive. 
I feel like they might like find

502
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120
some loophole and and create 
legal grounds. 

503
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,160
Yeah. 
I think if you watch 

504
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,240
historically, 96 May, Australia 
didn't go to Sri Lanka, W Indies

505
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,000
didn't go Sri Lanka. 
But that was security reasons 

506
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,440
saying I understand that those 
are team May England didn't go 

507
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600
to Zimbabwe, but those are 
normally Zimbabwe didn't go to 

508
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,320
England. 
So like how would they make this

509
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880
into a unique scenario, Yogi? 
Now we have to create legal 

510
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,280
grounds and ban them. 
I think repercussions young, I 

511
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800
think. 2003 Major England didn't
go to Zimbabwe. 

512
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840
That was on secure safety. 
Concerns I confirmed with Steve 

513
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Harmison. 
He told me security concerns. 

514
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920
It was because of Robert 
Mugabe's regime. 

515
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,480
They weren't happy with his 
regime. 

516
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,920
So they quoted safety concerns. 
Yeah, yeah. 

517
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400
They went with, I don't know, 
New Zealand we Kenyan security 

518
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,160
concerns. 
But point is security issues the

519
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440
accommodate Sri Lanka. 
Why will they go out of their 

520
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,120
way to create legal grounds? 
Because they're pissed and 

521
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,040
they're powerful bro. 
That's what makes me fear this 

522
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,080
entire situation. 
You can Ek jaga japyam khushche 

523
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,440
chalo hegemony hegemony. 
OK, seen a challenge. 

524
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Look here. 
They could really, you know, 

525
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,600
punish or bully Pakistan even 
further beyond comprehension. 

526
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,000
Like I, I don't think because 
there is no precedence for a 

527
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,560
team boycotting another team on 
political grounds, I don't think

528
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,880
they can go that far. 
Speaking 96 was the first time, 

529
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,600
you know, boycott on security 
reasons. 

530
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520
It was not the first time there 
happened in since before, but 

531
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520
this was the first time in the 
World Cup game that that 

532
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,320
happened. 
Sri Lanka forfeited a game 

533
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,280
versus Israel, I think 
qualifying for a World Cup or 

534
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,960
something. 
In the 70s eighties department 

535
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,680
exactly this is the that was I 
think the first time that it 

536
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,640
ever happened and there were no 
legal repercussions, to be 

537
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,480
honest. 
A-Team and sports has always 

538
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240
been used as a political tool in
many other sports as well as 

539
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Olympics. 
They claim Russia, US *** US, 

540
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Russia, *** There have always 
been, you know, statements being

541
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,080
made in that regard. 
So now this is the first time 

542
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200
that it has come into cricket in
a, in a, in a sport that is 

543
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,560
already very politically 
charged. 

544
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,480
So I don't know if they'll go 
that far. 

545
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,880
AAP a game, the killer, the APS,
Zindagi Verna healing AAP 

546
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000
outside line. 
I don't that that will be an 

547
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,520
overreaction from the ICC and I 
think that's the last thing they

548
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,800
need right now. 
They've already done 1 

549
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,960
overreaction Mustafiz and like 
look where we're at now. 

550
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
So I think that's the. 
Point right, That's what 

551
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,520
everything starts and people 
need to remember this society 

552
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,040
audience. 
They we're not saying in 

553
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,440
everything else wasn't 
political. 

554
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Everything was political, but 
there was actually start with, 

555
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,360
yeah, there's a stimulus and 
that's the physics sacking. 

556
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160
So I think that needs to be kind
of reiterated every time we 

557
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,000
speak about this because it's 
important starting point. 

558
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,400
If the fizz wasn't sacked in the
IPL, Bangladesh would be playing

559
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,600
in India and Pakistan wouldn't 
forfeit the game, right? 

560
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:43,280
But financial penalty bro, you 
can influence power. 

561
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,440
I don't think in the financial 
penalties we must love yoga PCB.

562
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
I still think like, how will you
get financial penalties for one 

563
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,160
game? 
I understand it's the game. 

564
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,480
They get a game on that on 
political stance, for example. 

565
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,040
So how what kind of financial 
penalties are you going to put 

566
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,640
for one game tournament? 
They're just not playing this 

567
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000
one game. 
You're creating a in the 

568
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,720
pockets, and you're threatening 
the way the ICC is structured. 

569
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Especially Jobi kabhi bully 
Otana when you challenge them to

570
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:16,920
open up. 
Yeah, in ICC or the broadcasters

571
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,960
mind, who's to say? 
Aglawala match? 

572
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,159
Pakistan boycott. 
They go why is India a bully? 

573
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,600
Why are they the most powerful? 
Because for every dollar that is

574
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040
made in cricket, they contribute
$0.80 and they use that power 

575
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,480
TK. 
So if you are creating that 

576
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,320
massive a dent in the pockets of
Ambani the broadcaster or the 

577
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,960
guy who basically would profit 
potentially jopeli loss Mitchell

578
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Let's not forget that wo masla 
chalra Jio starka ICC Kisat and 

579
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,440
then Jay Shah, the son of Indias
home minister is charged or 

580
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,520
tasked with the responsibility 
of taking care of the global 

581
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,719
game. 
Oski watch Kendall lesser in 

582
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,800
doubt cricket boards Marjati you
survive Karte and Peso Cooper 

583
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,120
The funds that are generated 
through this game. 

584
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,120
I feel like that would piss them
off enough. 

585
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920
K Sadwali bad bullying Rather 
than negotiating, they might 

586
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,160
triple down on the bullying. 
Yeah, I just I just cannot 

587
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,680
believe Harsha Bhogle his take 
on this. 

588
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,040
K Paksan has Pakistan is not 
You're thinking about the little

589
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,360
guy. 
I'm like, really? 

590
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,800
Pakistan is not When has India 
ever thought about the little 

591
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,680
guy? 
When? 

592
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,280
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601
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we're going back to the podcast.
Exactly. 

602
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
That's that's the crazy thing. 
Like I feel like like Ben 

603
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Bogley, I respect, like I will 
continue to respect. 

604
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
He has he used to respect? 
No, no, I still respect him. 

605
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,160
I think he's just like, I feel 
like the Indian journalists have

606
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120
just have blinders on and 
they're not looking at it from 

607
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,080
an objective perspective. 
And people say that about us 

608
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,440
too. 
And maybe that's to a certain 

609
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,200
extent you have a leading story,
Pakistan here. 

610
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,480
So that could possibly happen. 
But at the same time, like you 

611
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,320
said, we try our best to look at
it as neutral as possible and 

612
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,560
see like who's right, who's 
wrong? 

613
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200
The Bogler take was insane. 
I've seen a lot of other 

614
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,720
podcasts because I've been 
consuming a lot of this 

615
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,560
information. 
Final Word 1 will come in and my

616
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,600
group chat to people like, I 
just could not believe their 

617
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,440
take on this. 
And this is an insane take. 

618
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
They were like, oh, Pakistan has
no standing Pakistan, bro. 

619
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,320
Like because Australia, England 
and India have have like has so 

620
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,720
much success in the past 10-12 
years from the big three. 

621
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,560
Everybody else is just like, 
we're not either a not going to 

622
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,880
talk about this or not going to 
take Pakistan side and This is 

623
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,160
why. 
Pakistan politics but this has 

624
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,080
not happened in a vacuum. 
India stop playing bilateral 

625
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,680
cricket with Pakistan cut 
bilateral ties. 

626
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,480
IPL can. 
The Pakistan players are 

627
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,840
purposely kept out other 
franchise. 

628
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:14,840
T. 2020 When you continue to do 
that, man, this becomes 

629
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,680
inevitable. 
So that's why I say hoga 

630
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,600
political reaction. 
But it doesn't happen in a 

631
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,080
vacuum, and the fizz sacking 
triggers all of this. 

632
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,120
I'll tell you another crazy 
thing like you're talking about 

633
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,240
Pakistani players not being 
involved in leagues that have 

634
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:29,880
like IPL backed us as content 
creators are also not allowed to

635
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,320
work with certain leagues 
because we have a Pakistani 

636
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,440
league. 
We have wow, MLC mayor. 

637
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,880
We've talked to not one but many
a franchise Cpl. many a 

638
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,920
franchise and either we don't 
ever hear back or we just get a 

639
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,400
flight decline and and with 
other franchises we go far have 

640
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,200
conversations to get. 
They fall out for different 

641
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,160
reasons. 
For IPL backed or Indian backed 

642
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,440
franchises, forget about it. 
So up isolate charity if 

643
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,000
Pakistan has decided to forfeit 
a game. 

644
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,880
If anything, you were the ones 
who were creating all of that 

645
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000
outrage and outcry when Pakistan
was playing India in the Asia 

646
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Cup. 
Boycott, boycott. 

647
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:15,640
So you shouldn't be outraged. 
How have they done this before 

648
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,040
us? 
We also recently not just like 

649
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,640
us but like there is somebody 
who worked with the box and 

650
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,520
cricket team and he was also 
being shadow banned by these 

651
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,480
Indian teams in this batches 
league. 

652
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,200
So this is being escalated or we
shouldn't forget like politics 

653
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,080
called like aggregated that 
those are tastement the Asia Cup

654
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680
to hybrid charada. 
It was because India refused to 

655
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,240
come to Pakistan. 
But those are participant in the

656
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,160
Asia Cup. 
India refused to shake hands to 

657
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Pakistan. 
The captain name, he dedicate 

658
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:53,040
that win to the Indian arm 
forces, so India Hamesha and 

659
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,200
they're losing their mind. 
And everybody is. 

660
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,760
It's not just them. 
I've seen it across the board. 

661
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,200
How can Pakistan do this? 
Buglis take other podcasts who 

662
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,440
have mentioned the same thing. 
I'm just like, really? 

663
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,760
This is where we're drawing the 
line? 

664
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,240
This is insane to me. 
General cricket fans, yeah, 

665
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,760
forget passionate Pakistan 
cricket fans, general passionate

666
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920
cricket fans won't reform in the
way the sport is run. 

667
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Yes, sub chatting, right? 
And I don't know if you caught 

668
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,440
this, but I was. 
I had the misfortune of 

669
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,160
appearing on the Times Now 
panel. 

670
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,200
I saw this. 
Atul Vasan says that cricket is 

671
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,920
weaponized. 
I was like, Atul is right, but 

672
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,160
who has weaponized it right? 
I saw your entire, I saw your 

673
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,320
entire segment where I'm and I 
was, I could not believe. 

674
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,280
I meant to be honest. 
I was just fast forwarding it 

675
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,880
because I cannot, I cannot stand
that show. 

676
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,120
Like, yeah, I was like made a 
boy. 

677
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,360
I want to see what he says. 
And you made like 2-2 really 

678
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,640
good points and then they just 
completely sideswiped you. 

679
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Yeah. 
Like beat from mute, weaker the 

680
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,200
other. 
Mute, weaker, the mere Savaloka 

681
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,440
and jawab Indi. 
I kept saying we are digressing.

682
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,760
This is the subject matter that 
we are here to discuss in 

683
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,320
Chizoka, Jawab, the Mujahk. 
You seen anything? 

684
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,720
Yeah, me and my wife last night 
were watching Arnab. 

685
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,560
For fun by the way. 
Why would you make that life 

686
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,800
choice? 
I'm judging you. 

687
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Bro, it is. 
So funny. 

688
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,120
It is so funny. 
He talks about cricket like my 

689
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520
dad talks about cricket when 
he's pissed, like when we were 

690
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,760
like Arab Ahmed like what is 
cricket? 

691
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Cricket. 
It's just a game to colonize us.

692
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,760
We don't like this game. 
We don't want to be a part of 

693
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,520
this game. 
I say cancel the World Cup yes 

694
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,440
and then like it's the funniest 
thing, bro. 

695
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,320
We were dying laughing because 
Saath Mehra monologue than I 

696
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,280
could not. 
I mean, I like this is not a 

697
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,920
real show. 
This cannot be a real show. 

698
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,240
And like, it's that's that's 
when I started to understand, 

699
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,000
like I was doing a lot of this 
during the Asia Cup as well, 

700
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040
like trying to understand what 
the Indian narrative is, 

701
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,400
listening to a lot of listen to 
a lot of Nikhil. 

702
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,200
And I was like, yeah, this is 
just even if there's trying, 

703
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,640
even if there is a moment where 
they're trying to do a balance 

704
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,800
take, like they immediately get 
shot down by the comments 

705
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,760
immediately. 
And so I'm like this the the the

706
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,800
center is so, so on the right 
in, in their media narrative. 

707
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:09,920
It's not extreme. 
This is also weird you can cover

708
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Indian cricket genuinely talking
strictly about the cricket and 

709
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,680
even praising them because 
they're such good cricketers. 

710
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,480
Joao the minute you have any 
difference in opinion to ABAB 

711
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,440
bias Tokyo AB both constant 
theme anti India by anti 

712
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:32,160
administrations to whom Sir BCCI
they gate keep Vikrams and 

713
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Nikhils and all of that. 
And you know, even if they try 

714
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,960
to be balanced in key balance 
takes takes arrogant I do feel. 

715
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,720
This I agree and I've also the 
funniest thing is like you'll 

716
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,960
have a full podcast about 
something completely different. 

717
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,960
You'll make a random 15 second 
joke in the middle and someone 

718
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,720
will listen to that in the 37 
minutes. 

719
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Like I remember we were talking 
about podcast and our worker 

720
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,480
final review 23 got that and 
we're obviously praising India 

721
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,560
cap performance, the unbeaten, 
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 

722
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040
And in the middle we made a 
slight joke like you, we heard K

723
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,400
like Modi's gonna come to the 
stadium, right? 

724
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,760
And we were like, that's so 
funny. 

725
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,520
K Then then in the Modi is going
to come to a stadium that he 

726
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,560
named after himself. 
And then we all started 

727
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,120
laughing. 
I was like, that's just the peak

728
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,280
arrogance, bro. 50 comments on 
just that. 

729
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,960
I'm like, really? 
And that was like middle 

730
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,240
selective hearing. 
You had to go through this like 

731
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,680
35 minute thing to get to that 
132nd joke and then move on. 

732
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,480
I was like damn bro like this is
thorough. 

733
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,240
Karl Mujhe tweet Ataki, you are 
such a big hypocrite. 

734
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,880
You never talk about how 
Pakistan's interior minister is 

735
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,960
also the chairman and I was 
like, clearly you haven't seen 

736
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,960
any of my work. 
It cannot be possible kid that 

737
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,040
you have. 
I said this on Times Now as well

738
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,640
was boy name was a false 
equivalence. 

739
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,040
Daldi Maneka by governments and 
states are at play. 

740
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,480
That's what I'm trying to say 
over here. 

741
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,720
We met him in Florida for lunch 
or we met him in like, he was 

742
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,120
very nice, very gracious. 
Like by the way, we did not meet

743
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,560
him at lunch. 
We're at lunch. 

744
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,560
He was also at. 
Lunch. 

745
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,200
Yes. 
Yes. 

746
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,000
Clarify. 
Yes. 

747
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,120
I Yes. 
Together we were having lunch. 

748
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,120
Separately, just happy we were 
having lunch near each other. 

749
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,680
How about that? 
And then so fair enough. 

750
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,320
So we were like, yeah, Salaam 
ganache. 

751
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,280
And then so after everybody ate,
we were very like, families are 

752
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,840
there when the family started 
going to their cars and Bashar, 

753
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,440
who did the talking. 
And then I will. 

754
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,640
It'll get messy. 
So Bashar was like, yeah, 

755
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,120
Marshall, let's say I'm interior
minister, Cortex minister, ACC 

756
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:33,240
president, PCB chairman. 
Everybody started laughing and 

757
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:39,000
was like. 
Good old this. 

758
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,400
Guy, this guy can take a joke. 
I like that. 

759
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,480
I like that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

760
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Yeah. 
And so like we've been like 

761
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,160
we've been saying this, K 
knackers, knackers. 

762
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,920
Like, look, you guys are rubbing
off on me, right? 

763
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,360
You guys are rubbing off on me. 
It's a term of endearment. 

764
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,720
Yes, I'll come to the nicknames 
after this, but Naqvi sahab, he 

765
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,960
came, he held the chair position
after Amit Shah's son held the 

766
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,080
chair position in the BCCI. 
Again, who is bringing politics 

767
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,440
into which position? 
We like this is has been the 

768
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,360
precedence has always been set 
by a certain big board and then 

769
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
if everybody else follows suit, 
then we are the ones that are 

770
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,920
being, you know, disrespectful. 
The problem? 

771
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,760
Is yeah, it is not directly 
intertwined politics in cricket.

772
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,840
Yapito, patron and chief of the 
PCB, is the acting Prime 

773
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,320
Minister. 
So it's all very, very overt, 

774
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,640
not covert. 
I'm not bro like it's the. 

775
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,400
Same. 
I get what you mean. 

776
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,480
So they were like, you know 
what, we will get the interior 

777
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,200
minister's son to head the PCCI.
We were like, I'm interior 

778
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,560
minister. 
It was like one of those things.

779
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,800
And and so like, I think like, 
like you said, you were talking 

780
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,000
about reform. 
I don't know, Kebara. 

781
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,040
Then we like massive reform. 
Anna and Yana, they're 

782
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,400
definitely but there should be 
like if the ICC is serious about

783
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,800
world cricket and like 
international cricket, they have

784
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:03,440
to like take all politics out of
it, political position. 

785
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,680
They cannot be the chairperson. 
And I also think the patron and 

786
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,640
chief situation in Pakistan is 
also stupid. 

787
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Like that should not be the 
case. 

788
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,760
The. 
Constitution. 

789
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Reform say important Pakistan 
PCB. 

790
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,840
Man, this was a big mess by 
Imran Khan. 

791
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,240
He understood this. 
He should have. 

792
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,920
Reformed that constitution. 
I keep saying. 

793
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,520
This man, that was a huge mess. 
He has been advocating for so 

794
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,680
many neutral things in cricket. 
This was the place where he also

795
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,640
used the chairman position as a.
Everyone. 

796
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:38,360
Everyone you. 
Used to be. 

797
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,160
You understand things better 
than most, yeah, With regards to

798
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,560
cricket. 
Yeah, political interference of 

799
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,520
that step, you only did the 
same. 

800
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,960
And and you know, I like this on
money and Wasim Khan and I can 

801
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,800
give you some plus points of the
Rambo tenure as well. 

802
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,520
I'm not even a massive critic of
the PJL. 

803
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:09,280
I saw the merit in the idea 
we're going to start from 

804
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,720
scratch and that's why it's all 
volatile. 

805
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,880
There is no stability because no
one builds processes. 

806
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,400
They are just like. 
Short term goals? 

807
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,720
Yes. 
Short term popularity. 

808
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Long term, and that's 
unfortunately one of the biggest

809
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,760
perils within Pakistan cricket. 
But it's a big unknown we're all

810
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,040
like interested to see and I 
suppose cricket might never be 

811
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,880
the same again. 
This could. 

812
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,320
This could be a watershed moment
bro. 

813
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Could be, yeah. 
Yeah, this could. 

814
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,840
Be or things go back to the way 
they were. 

815
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,320
This could be the trigger for a 
six to seven month IPL. 

816
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,320
Maybe. 
I think the cricket in the next 

817
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,400
10 years could just be the IPL 
for half the year and one World 

818
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,920
Cup every year like NBA or 
10,000. 

819
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,200
That's going to be how the IPL 
works and expand to more teams. 

820
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,040
Others are going to book for the
IPL and then maybe like once a 

821
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,240
year we'll have a Champions 
Trophy or a World Cup. 

822
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Yeah, but I I don't think this 
will happen only because people 

823
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,000
keep citing the NBAMLBNFL all 
these things. 

824
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,280
Look how the US has, you know, 
made this like AUS centric sport

825
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,280
and the world follows. 
Does the world really follow? 

826
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,880
Really. 
Does Europe, does Europe care 

827
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960
about the NBA? 
They don't do they don't need 

828
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,680
to. 
They don't need to. 

829
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,520
But then it stops becoming a 
global sport. 

830
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,880
And cricket in its DNA has 
always been a global sport. 

831
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,080
And you? 
Commonwealth. 

832
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,320
Sport Common. 
Not quite. 

833
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:23,720
Dope? 
Yes. 

834
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,120
Commonwealth Sport? 
Yes, of course. 

835
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,000
Imperial Cricket Conference to 
banana South Africa, Australia 

836
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520
or England. 
South African initiate here. 

837
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,880
You kept out the USA, Canada, 
Argentina. 

838
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Yeah, Argentina had a team, 
though after the Mahapasu 

839
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Commonwealth, Mahi Kardiya are 
already dasbara Team India. 

840
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,480
But I agree but Commonwealth 
ethnic countries around it just 

841
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,720
becomes like almost a global 
sport and international cricket 

842
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,400
is the the way that like the 
cricket is key, merit is judged 

843
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,520
and just bring in IPL. 
And to be honest the IPL will 

844
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,200
never be Test cricket. 
The IPL cannot be it's not in 

845
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,880
his format, it's not in his 
bloodline. 

846
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,040
And so to think if the IPL will 
be 6 months I doubt it Like bro 

847
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,840
IPL abidna lambaya nikiya jata 
follow and. 

848
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,920
Like oh India Pakistan the 
rivalry this that the other qui 

849
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,160
farakhni partha bhai. 
It doesn't matter if the 

850
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,680
contests are one sided, don't 
mix financial, you know billing 

851
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,200
and marketability with the 
actual contest. 

852
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,280
It could be 1 sided and Indians 
and Pakistanis will still TuneIn

853
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,080
till the end of times. 
I would argue it's not one sided

854
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,840
like wheel one in 21. 
In 22 it was the last. 

855
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,000
What I meant was K hobi Jaita 
Farakni Partha. 

856
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,720
Yeah, no, but like I've I've 
seen a lot of arguments you 

857
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,000
Aliki 1 sided because I made a 
Vikram Gupta thing. 

858
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,360
So I'm getting a lot of those DM
now and a lot of the people who 

859
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,920
are like it's always been one 
side. 

860
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,320
I'm like 21 we won thrashing 10 
wicket, 22 May last over, 24 May

861
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,720
last over. 
These are the last three T20 ICC

862
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,720
events. 22 K Isha cup or 23K20 
maybe. 

863
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,560
We won the second round and 
kicked in the outside. 

864
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,240
It's like what is this like 1 
sided thing you're talking 

865
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:01,880
about? 
The Asia Cup went badly but but 

866
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,720
at the same time the Asia Cup 
also final went to the last 

867
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:09,600
ball, so it's been pretty close.
I'll give you counter yes one 

868
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,600
sided Pakistan give you 21 T 20 
World Cup 2017 Champions Trophy 

869
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,040
final but close games. 
There's a Melbourne game, the 

870
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Virat Kohli game. 
There is an Asia Cup game that 

871
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:29,440
Pakistan won or 24 T20 World Cup
and Abhi most recently Asia Cup 

872
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,880
final Haita chari Nair close 
games Bakito Kisi B side K1 

873
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,600
sided. 
But the larger point over here 

874
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,280
is that has no bearing 
whatsoever on the amount of 

875
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,560
money this game makes. 
So IPL ekor. 

876
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,520
But an important point here, 
marketability. 

877
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,280
I feel India, Indian cricket 
team is marketable, right? 

878
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,640
Yeah. 
IPL people want to see India 

879
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,400
play. 
Yes, Indians want to see India 

880
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,320
play and win and win and play 
Pakistan gito game. 

881
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:03,040
Obviously marketability and they
want to see Indians, want to see

882
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,920
India play with South Africa, 
Australia, England, Namibia, 

883
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,520
anything. 
They want to see their team win 

884
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:14,480
as India, Team India. 
Hashtag Team India IPL I don't 

885
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,400
think pura major part of the 
calendar year IPL India is as 

886
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,640
marketable. 
As IPL, I agree with you, yeah. 

887
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,760
The thing with the IPL is 
cricket. 

888
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,000
Economy half a year. 
They won't make it a league 

889
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,760
format rather than a tournament 
format. 

890
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,440
Interesting. 
Guys, I, I still don't think 

891
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,440
we're getting a six month. 
I don't think that's going to be

892
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,000
the case. 
I think the Ektai Pandavali 

893
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,400
situation will probably get 
resolved. 

894
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,880
I'm having a strong feeling that
you and I will both be live on 

895
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,600
that day and I I do, I think 
it's going to happen. 

896
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,360
I think they'll find a way. 
It's too much money at stake. 

897
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,400
I think if PCB or the government
of Pakistan backtracks on this 

898
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,720
now, Yabba balls are the 
backlash and knowing our 

899
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:05,120
leaders, I don't think they'll 
be taking that chance now 

900
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,320
unless. 
Bangladesh is reinstated in the 

901
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,280
T20 World Cup and they're 
playing the games in Sri Lanka 

902
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,160
because I think that's their 
condition, right? 

903
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,960
Also in hybrid agreement 
tournaments. 

904
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,880
In an ideal world, India, 
Pakistan, Bangladesh shouldn't 

905
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,440
be hosting these tournaments at 
all. 

906
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,240
But for that Nazar kiss angles 
are the ICC up hold, sporting 

907
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:29,680
integrity, competition, 
consistency and fairness because

908
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,600
they're doing all four of those 
things. 

909
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,240
That is why he feels that there 
will be some sort of resolution.

910
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,920
I just think the money I. 
Mean they wouldn't be in this 

911
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,440
position had they upheld one of 
those things. 

912
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,280
I just think money talks and 
like all we've been talking 

913
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,360
about, but the money is getting 
hit and all that. 

914
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,720
I think it's going to be, you 
know, the Amanis are the biggest

915
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,760
donors for the BJP. 
And if the biggest donor is 

916
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,000
getting a hit, come on guys, do 
the math. 

917
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,760
Yeah, far to the money. 
Let's focus back on the parks 

918
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,040
team. 
I mean World Cup you're a 

919
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,760
challenge in May. 
I mean like take a Pakistan 

920
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,360
crisis about high quality keeper
batsman or selection. 

921
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,960
We use smart Khan key. 
Or do you guys firstly agree? 

922
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Like must I have my past, you 
know, looking for a really high 

923
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,840
quality keeper who's a good 
keeper plus a good batsman or 

924
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,800
who would you guys pick between 
this man Khan? 

925
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,400
Let's talk with son. 
Seeing Quadron after, I don't 

926
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,360
think he can keep. 
I thought after his debut game 

927
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,600
came, perhaps because it was a 
wet ball and it was his debut 

928
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,440
game, he couldn't do the best he
could behind the stumps. 

929
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,920
But this 3020 I versus Australia
showed me enough. 

930
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,040
Kya Banda Saives are the Farhan 
level keeper. 

931
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,720
He had best. 
He cannot keep wicket 

932
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,520
serviceably. 
But he's he's an attractive 

933
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,800
actor. 
Osman Khan is agricultural, he 

934
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,920
hasn't had that sort of success 
on international level, but 

935
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,720
cello snake ketchup, knock to 
Khela here, B50 Maria. 

936
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,360
The thing is that he looks the 
most serviceable wicket keeper 

937
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,840
out of all of them. 
So he probably starts. 

938
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,280
However, you guys tell us Hamid 
Pataki, you guys are not big 

939
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,000
fans of Osman Khan, so I want 
you to take. 

940
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,800
Pakistan should go into a World 
Cup with at least a genuine 

941
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,040
keeper, Mohammad Harris. 
We know he's shared, we know he 

942
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,560
has no awareness, no situation 
of awareness. 

943
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:12,200
But let's use Harris as how W 
Indies used Ramdin in 2016. 

944
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:17,600
Harris as a keeper at least he 
can hit something towards the 

945
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,760
end or he'll give you like 
insurance Gar he keeper a child.

946
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,640
I know he was saying he missed 
the in the Asian panel, but he's

947
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,520
at least a better keeper than a 
small car and. 

948
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560
That that's that Mister Renard 
is from a genuine keeper. 

949
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,680
What we got with Kwaja Nafe in 
the 5th wicket that Nawaz took 

950
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,040
is insane. 
OK, Firstly that was that 

951
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,800
slipped is insane. 
And then the fact that like you 

952
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,360
did as a keeper don't know it 
was not right. 

953
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,200
Like like in umpiring the colony
like that, that slippage of like

954
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,360
the the cracks in the umpiring 
is also insane. 

955
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Secondly, as a keeper, like as a
fielder, I know wickets break it

956
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,840
doesn't matter. 
Like you should know this as the

957
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:05,920
wicket keeper is the basic rule.
But look, he is very dodgy. 

958
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,880
He cannot do that job 
consistently. 

959
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,760
If anything, Nafe provides 
competition for that number four

960
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,720
spot as a pure bat Barber. 
At #4 is another conversation. 

961
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:16,960
I'm sure we're going to have 
Abhi shortly, but but they 

962
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,840
you're not spoiled for choice. 
Rizwan took his own name out of 

963
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,440
the ballot when he got retired 
out in Australia. 

964
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,880
Or Harris Kayaki. 
If you don't get to play him in 

965
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,760
the top order, you can't utilize
him because he's a walk in 

966
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,080
wicket with his spin. 
But you guys do make a point. 

967
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,720
Kusko, Bilkul the batter after 
all the batters, Rakkar. 

968
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,680
But my argument in that then 
take your best wicket keeper, 

969
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,760
then take Mohammad Rizwan. 
But. 

970
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,600
He's the batter after all. 
The bat. 

971
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,240
But. 
Rizwan Bizwan is not in the team

972
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,480
primarily because he does not 
want to bat anywhere else in 

973
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,000
into the top three Bro Kabhi 
flexibility Sony Kiusne who 

974
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,040
chart baby Kilai, BBL May and 
BBL May like you could see he's 

975
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,840
upset that he's playing at #4. 
Right, Yeah, yeah, I was, I was 

976
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,800
of the UK. 
Rizwan should have played in the

977
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,160
middle order in the BBL, but you
were right on that or Azam Khan 

978
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,800
key fitness. 
He would fit in quite nicely, 

979
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,320
but Azam Khan can't. 
He could be a very good spin 

980
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,280
basher. 
They were keeping to the 

981
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,160
compromise Curry then already he
had to established that Even 

982
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Osman Khan he's been more than 
serviceable but we know he's 

983
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,080
error prone. 
Karto sakta Bugalti. 

984
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,760
The potential. 
Against New Zealand, we went to 

985
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,280
New Zealand or Shaheen Made. 
I think it was Saim and Rizwan 

986
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
were opening. 
They had Saim Baba open 

987
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,840
together, but Rizwan came in the
post and it's like, I don't like

988
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:40,160
Saim opening. 
I don't like I'm the one who was

989
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,000
always against even. 
He would always air like The 

990
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,760
Dirty laundry in front of the 
press. 

991
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,360
Stubborn. 
Very. 

992
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,800
Stubborn game evolved in the 
game or T20 cricket in 

993
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,480
particular that evolved rapidly 
at an exponential rate and these

994
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,880
guys were stubborn. 
Can our method works? 

995
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,560
It worked in 2021 bro. 
It's not 2021 anymore. 

996
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:05,920
Or aapki strike bowling on each 
year. 

997
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,920
You need to have a powerful 
enough bowling attack that they 

998
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,200
can defend power totals or they 
lost that as well. 

999
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:20,480
Game changer. 
Accelerate That methodology is 

1000
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,560
dead. 
That approach is. 

1001
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,760
Dead. 
I kept saying like the game is 

1002
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,320
moving so fast that even if 
you're stagnant, you're actually

1003
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,800
regressing, you're going 
backwards. 

1004
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,680
I feel like Baba and his one 
have always been like this. 

1005
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:38,520
Like those are game, you 
succeeded, those are game and 

1006
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,560
you are still that person. 
Bowling attack by Dekhna Harris 

1007
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,760
Rao Peking, Shaheen Bhupni prime
Kandar pre injury Shaheen Shadab

1008
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Khan when you know he was a 
very, very good wrist spinner. 

1009
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,520
I hope that that comes back. 
I don't know if you've caught 

1010
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,160
Jared's ass analysis, you know, 
but the butt cheeks are aligned.

1011
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,520
He's using his hips and hips 
don't lie. 

1012
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,400
I really hope we get frontline 
Shadab wrist spinner back. 

1013
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,000
But Abhita who batting you as a 
teammaker 46 of 19. 

1014
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,240
I'm really glad for him. 
We were both saying a profile 

1015
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,800
wise Shadab Khan is a shoe. 
Performance is a different 

1016
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,640
question, but he's performing as
well now. 

1017
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,760
So there have been some good 
things that have happened. 

1018
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,080
Mike has NK tenure Kindle 
bowling and fielding has been on

1019
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,800
the up trajectory race career 
batting guy Australia. 

1020
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:32,840
I know Saab made a video 
recently, but I also play Nafi's

1021
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,840
playing at 4:00 or Small fan 5 
or Barber or Fahad Dono Benz. 

1022
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,240
Where was the hypothetical 
playing? 

1023
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,320
But who would? 
Who would you ask play that? 

1024
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,560
So. 
So the idea behind that video is

1025
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:49,760
ke Pakistan realistic raki. 
Confirmation will give. 

1026
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,280
You the idea behind that video 
is but I wouldn't take them both

1027
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,320
to the World Cup. 
Yeah. 

1028
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:06,320
Yeah, so again, fucker versatile
performances. 

1029
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:15,120
It'll be Dekal do T 20s or Kele 
Kele Kele not informed and he's 

1030
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,560
not been a great T20I player for
yeah. 

1031
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Right. 
T20, yeah. 

1032
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
But the Hoga or ABI recently, 
which performance is here, but 

1033
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,840
it's an underwhelming T20 year 
career and then Sati Batika 

1034
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,600
versatile to but that's in 
theory, right? 

1035
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,200
We haven't seen it actually 
happen. 

1036
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,280
But then again his recorded 4 is
his best record in T20 years, so

1037
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,240
maybe dekhna like in agaric 
player form many pair oski 

1038
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,720
fitness concerns with this 
other. 

1039
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,880
Yeah, I don't think that makes 
sense. 

1040
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:54,840
Obviously honest, we were quite 
vocal about this that we would 

1041
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,200
only take one or realistically 
Speaking of your options 

1042
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,680
Pakistan, you aren't spoiled for
choice. 

1043
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,760
So they're not at all they're 
going and both have gone. 

1044
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,840
In fact they've both featured in
the same playing 11 as well 

1045
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,400
scored the door Ki batevo saath 
Khilatere and Donoko. 

1046
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,880
Its not dysfunctional batting 
order. 

1047
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,960
Rayana get punch punch opener 
the top 6 May Cousins 34, He at 

1048
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,440
#3 has flipped a switch where 
which were hopeful kewa gay 

1049
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,240
repeatability the Kaiga. 
But Barber at 4 is the biggest 

1050
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,760
concern that I have. 
He gets stuck with suspend dude.

1051
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,440
If he's not getting out, he's 
not rotating strike either or 

1052
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,040
Bichara matlab uska entry point 
Bahati Gandhala. 

1053
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,960
He hasn't even played much. 4 
innings in 132T20 innings. 

1054
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,080
Scored a 50 though. 
Scored a 50 though, but we 

1055
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,240
couldn't accelerate towards the 
depth. 

1056
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,840
Now face should be pushing for 
that spot because joke told 

1057
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,400
about the Kayana boy and he can 
smash pace and spin but pull 

1058
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,960
shot to die for. 
I don't think he gets dropped 

1059
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,000
many years. 
My last podcast may be even if 

1060
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,800
he fails in the group stage, 
they won't drop him. 

1061
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,480
I agree with Saad, he comes with
this reputation. 

1062
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,440
Or Hassan. 
Sad golfer, gotta kill. 

1063
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,280
Let me present a scenario. 
You're saying group stage is 

1064
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,680
over. 
Baba is averaging seven strike 

1065
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,640
rate 80. 
They don't drop him. 

1066
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,160
Oh, he's gone. 
He has to. 

1067
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,040
Go he has, he has to go then. 
But I still feel was a 

1068
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,840
reputation the base for Khilali.
Or Voshat Fakhar Kopele line 

1069
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,000
Amber Charpe rather than trying 
Nafe out. 

1070
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,240
I don't get it. 
They they were gambling with 

1071
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Nafe. 
They took a punt on the lad and 

1072
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,920
you didn't even play him in all 
three games versus Australia. 

1073
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,680
Yeah, either time or sample 
size. 

1074
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,400
But Aneka keeping me at each 
other. 

1075
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,680
Whatever. 
Pure bad kin Azaria So deko 

1076
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,920
testo Karova Chico. 
Let me let me let me present 

1077
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,640
another scenario. 
Super first round stage Barber 

1078
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,840
averages 20 strike rate 100 
that. 

1079
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,000
Do they carry him to the next 
round? 

1080
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,200
No, they shouldn't. 
They will. 

1081
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,920
They shouldn't, but they will. 
Bro if he is averaging 35 with a

1082
01:00:54,920 --> 01:01:00,000
strike rate of 110. 
But they probably will and 

1083
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,680
that's unfortunate. 
Netherlands are a match washout.

1084
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,880
Like it says 64% chance of rain 
but the rain is like 1.5mm so 

1085
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,040
it's not that much rain or Sri 
Lanka. 

1086
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,080
Drizzling can't play. 
Ek washout Ki. 

1087
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:31,320
Maare Pak wins against USA and 
Namibia and Netherlands either 

1088
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,760
loses to one of them. 
Target Pakistan #2 finish 

1089
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,640
career. 
If they are level on points with

1090
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,400
another team then chances are 
they're not going to go through 

1091
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,200
because net run rate hit topco 
milli millia forfeiture. 

1092
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,240
But look, even if they somehow 
managed to get those games in, I

1093
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,960
feel Pakistan team make it. 
They wouldn't slip up versus an 

1094
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,360
associate team, but then 
Pakistan. 

1095
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,840
I cannot. 
I cannot believe. 

1096
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,240
I cannot believe that the 
tournament hasn't even started 

1097
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,800
and we are already doing PCT 
math. 

1098
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,560
I cannot believe you're here. 
We are already here. 

1099
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,840
The good part is points carry 
forward while I seen the Super 8

1100
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,120
is a clean slate and if they 
survive the group stage. 

1101
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:18,680
OK again I really hope you are 
Sri Lanka ground staff best in 

1102
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,320
the world pouring buckets and 
shit. 

1103
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:22,960
Yeah how? 
How? 

1104
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,760
How hard would it have been to 
just be like UAE and India 

1105
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,320
tournament? 
Like that would have been an 

1106
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,560
easier call for me, like 
together. 

1107
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,200
So why did we have to make this 
India and Sri Lanka tournament 

1108
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,080
when it could have been an India
and UAE tournament? 

1109
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,120
That's all I'm thinking. 
Probably cost cost. 

1110
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,360
Guessing Sri Lanka's cheaper? 
Fair enough. 

1111
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,600
Hotels and stuff. 
Fair enough. 

1112
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,600
Fair. 
Enough, Yeah. 

1113
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,400
Yeah, that's. 
Who puts their boycott? 

1114
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,120
We got the old calls. 
I'm friends with Mark Machado, 

1115
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,720
right? 
He keeps going to Sri Lanka. 

1116
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,240
Whatever standard of life you 
have in Pakistan, I can promise 

1117
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,880
you Sri Lanka will be cheaper. 
Just come. 

1118
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Sri Lanka for a vacation it was 

1119
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,560
like super cheap, great beaches,
amazing food, nice people. 

1120
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,520
Though it's not a bad spot to 
explore. 

1121
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,160
It's a very, very hot take. 
A Pakistan somehow makes it to 

1122
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,920
the Super eights. 
How are the group? 

1123
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,040
It's England, it's Sri Lanka, 
It's New Zealand. 

1124
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,600
Hamluk Super four with the top 
4. 

1125
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,720
The class of them, like we 
England, struggles in Asia. 

1126
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,000
Semi best case scenario might 
even be final. 

1127
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,120
Semis is not an unrealistic sort
of scenario because you do get 

1128
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,600
the easier of the two Super 
Eight groups. 

1129
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,320
The three best teams in this 
competition are India, 

1130
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,680
Australia, South Africa. 
All three of them will be, you 

1131
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,640
know, pitted against each. 
Other and England, New Zealand 

1132
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,200
and Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka are 
beatable. 

1133
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,240
Yeah, England and Sri Lanka you 
should beat because ball turned 

1134
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,920
karegito Pakarajaga. 
Harry broke. 

1135
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,160
He'll complain about the pitch 
and what not, right? 

1136
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,120
New Zealand is probably the 
sturdiest competition Pakistan 

1137
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,680
will face because Jobi Carlo by 
when? 

1138
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:05,320
Makar Khushkari, Jati, Yeah. 
So I think they can win that 

1139
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,760
game. 
It'll ultimately come down to 

1140
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,000
whether they can win 2 out of 
three. 

1141
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,680
And New Zealand is also team 
Jisko, Pakhra Jasaktan 

1142
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,800
conditions. 
Finn Allen and Tim Seifert might

1143
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,200
not be able to cause so much, 
you know, carnage in those 

1144
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,120
conditions. 
I think the conditions have 

1145
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,160
because they preferred the 
15160. 

1146
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,920
I hope the wickets only get 
tired further QK when you're 

1147
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,080
facing Senna teams. 
That will definitely benefit 

1148
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,320
Pakistan. 
What if there's due in the 

1149
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:48,280
second innings? 
A series kinder Australia, they 

1150
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,320
had to field first once they 
didn't, or second innings 

1151
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,880
method, they always chased. 
They never prepared for the 

1152
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,200
adverse situations. 
I just checked Salman earlier, 

1153
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,520
70% toss win ratio. 
He's won 30. 

1154
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:12,960
It's a very high chance that. 
He wins toss I hope. 

1155
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:17,280
I reckon you're not a STEM 
student Bashar, but previous 

1156
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,160
decided results and a 
probability they do not apply to

1157
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:26,400
what goes on later TK following 
the. 

1158
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:33,080
Drain What's the pro sports? 
I was just gonna ask that, yes. 

1159
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:53,240
What? 
Do. 

1160
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,560
You guys, then you've got shine.
Every day. 

1161
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,280
I would play Salman. 
Mirza I would also play Salman 

1162
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,040
Mirza ahead of Naseem but Naseem
go back of a lens slower one to 

1163
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,840
Qatar Marta that could be useful
in Sri Lanka. 

1164
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,200
And then Abrar Ahmed, Uzi Tariq,
so 11, OK, if you want to play 2

1165
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,120
spinners, you bring in Uzi Tariq
for Salman. 

1166
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,520
Mirza yeah, I suppose Salman 
Mirza sits out then or 

1167
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,320
Shydasamaka Mileya. 
It's good that Hessen has tried 

1168
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,000
that a couple of times. 
Osnikhilaya Dono Frontline 

1169
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,400
spinners go in tandem. 
They took all 10 wickets as 

1170
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,600
well. 
Pakistan spinners so spinners. 

1171
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:26,880
So spin bowling attack looks 
good. 

1172
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,640
Let's see conditions but I feel 
like we are both tilting towards

1173
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,840
Nafi ahead of Babar. 
Although Hona Kabibining Yeah 

1174
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,160
but we take a punt on him. 
I just. 

1175
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,280
My gut says Babar at #4 is a 
massive massive mistake and I 

1176
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,240
hope he proves me wrong. 
You get Babar Azamayar. 

1177
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,200
You're saying Usman Khan because
we need a keeper and Kwaja has 

1178
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,200
proved and Nafi has proved that 
keeping is not his Forte, though

1179
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,280
Nafi potentially might set out 
this tournament because of a #4 

1180
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,440
superstar. 
Yep. 

1181
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,560
Yeah, and let's say K Babble key
performance in the HR pay. 

1182
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,160
You really think they're going 
to go to NAFE before they go to 

1183
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,480
fucker? 
That's a good point. 

1184
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:04,760
They might. 
They might. 

1185
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,080
I think they might. 
They've taken such chances 

1186
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,080
before. 
We also feel they might go for 

1187
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,480
Naseema head of Salman Mirza. 
Yeah, hame AB. 

1188
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,400
I feel like they will only play 
Shaheen and then Fahim will be 

1189
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,800
our second seamer. 
They will go with the spin. 

1190
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,880
Have you back Kasai, Mugasha, 
Nawaz, Abrah, Swan, Tarek and. 

1191
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,280
Spinning to pit, That's not a 
bad ploy. 

1192
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,080
But they realistically speaking,
Mike Hesson's philosophy is 

1193
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,960
built around multifaceted 
cricketers, right? 

1194
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,600
This is not new. 
Go to his New Zealand teams. 

1195
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,920
Look at the likes of Grant 
Elliott, Corey Anderson, Colin 

1196
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,440
de Grandom, Jimmy Nisham, 
Nathan, Nathan McCollum, right 

1197
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,520
is boys Rakthesh Ranky batting 
line up deep karnickly. 

1198
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,440
So everything or you know, 
almost everything hinges on 

1199
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,080
Pakistan's multifaceted players 
over here. 

1200
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,880
Sai Mayub picked up some form or
incisive O'hair bowling. 

1201
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,520
Shadab Khan could be your trump 
card in terms of fixing that 

1202
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,240
batting stability. 
While Sarah Seen Nawaz is your 

1203
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,880
MVP. 
There is no doubting that 2025 

1204
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,880
MVP abuse. 
The best figures in Australia, 

1205
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,720
the best bits and pieces that 
I've ever assembled, right. 

1206
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,560
Love all the bits, love all the 
pieces, yeah. 

1207
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,200
My heart take from this series 
is Australia series was that 

1208
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,279
even though Agra was insanely 
good, I think I am a huge player

1209
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,479
of the series. 
Yeah, same. 

1210
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:25,920
We have the same feel. 
He has the same. 

1211
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,640
Time over. 
Our guys played the series. 

1212
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,359
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be a 
bhakti percent, Yeah. 

1213
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,120
In volleyball, I don't know if I
was that was like my Karachi 

1214
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,520
agenda, speaking as I was like I
love my Karachi players, but. 

1215
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,880
It makes complete sense, right? 
But maybe he. 

1216
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,720
Did with the bat and he 
contributed with the ball. 

1217
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,640
Three plus knocks in all three 
games or incisive twice. 

1218
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,880
Travis Head in once match short.
That's pretty massive. 

1219
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,000
I think I. 
Think. 

1220
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,840
I think they gave Salman. 
I think it was deserved. 

1221
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,040
He was my #2 in the series. 
I just think they were trying to

1222
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,880
counter the whole Sky thing 
because Sky got player the 

1223
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:17,319
series there and. 
Then Mega auction, that's a 

1224
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,479
different podcast. 
On Sky and Salman Ali, yeah. 

1225
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:28,640
Surya Kumar and Salman Ali 
Yadav, but he's capable of these

1226
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,600
things. 
We thought he wasn't cut out for

1227
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,479
T20 cricket but now he's proving
it otherwise. 

1228
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,720
I really hope things come come 
together for Pakistan with 

1229
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,279
respect to the batting because 
that's their Achilles heel and 

1230
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,200
it is still dysfunctional, 
right, The batting lineup. 

1231
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,479
Yeah, both of reality, Yeah, at.
Least less dysfunctional now by 

1232
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,240
the. 
Way slightly Nafik. 

1233
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,439
He'll get the coffee. 
Coffee less dysfunctional. 

1234
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:55,040
That's probably the short of the
series, right? 

1235
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,560
Like has to be. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1236
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,520
Nafi has that. 
We had one of my friends is 

1237
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:01,920
Shayan plays cricket. 
I don't know if you guys know 

1238
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,320
him. 
He's he makes that. 

1239
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:04,440
Yeah. 
Great guy. 

1240
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,920
Blogger from Karachi. 
He played with Nafi in like 

1241
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,800
those league games and usnim was
it like dare dos al Pele vada 

1242
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,440
bro, you Nafi keep an eye on 
this guy. 

1243
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:17,520
This guy's crazy talented. 
You know, he had, he was picked 

1244
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:18,920
for the cup, Premier League I 
think. 

1245
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,240
I'm not. 
Sure, something like that. 

1246
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,440
Is a top order pace pace really 
well? 

1247
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,080
Also is a gun fielder keeping 
the ski 14 basically like how 

1248
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,720
2015 that's basically keeping 
that? 

1249
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:44,840
Yeah, Umi Jani, you know, catch 
maybe a difference here. 

1250
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,720
Like it doesn't have to be a 
chance. 

1251
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,600
He's just not as tidy or pirvo 
stumping to sabke Samnathi. 

1252
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:55,800
Then he also like was an 
eternity to reacting to catch 

1253
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:02,040
catch. 
Unfortunately, because you guys 

1254
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,760
live in Sambar, do you guys get 
the chance to go and see games 

1255
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,560
live like? 
Day 4 year Day 5. 

1256
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:19,120
South Africa, Pakistan. 
Before lunch, the game was done.

1257
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,520
Or yeah, for two years straight 
I went to every game in the 

1258
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,560
press box and then when I got 
shadow banned, I also kind of 

1259
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:31,840
got married. 
So it kind of worked out. 

1260
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,680
I never made money going to the 
games. 

1261
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,920
These other shows are going 
knock on word, really grateful 

1262
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:41,680
for that to Zanurat Dini party. 
However, T20 is my life Janak 

1263
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,200
experience and you guys should 
definitely try that. 

1264
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,120
Out, Yeah. 
Have you guys seen the new 

1265
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,680
Lahore Stadium? 
Yeah, we've seen the new Final 

1266
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,560
Four. 
That was an experience. 

1267
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:55,840
That was a great game as well. 
That was great game. 

1268
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:05,000
Generally in gold category, yes.
Yes. 

1269
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:13,240
Category foreign players. 
They dictate terms. 

1270
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,160
Good, good. 
We. 

1271
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,600
We also had a great time with 
Sikkubai here when he was at the

1272
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,920
GT-20 and just a very lovely 
lad, really good Punjabi I was 

1273
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,440
not. 
Such a wonderful bloke. 

1274
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:27,320
Yeah, guys, we really appreciate
this time. 

1275
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,000
Honestly, like we went a little 
bit over. 

1276
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,520
This was a long time coming. 55 
minutes. 

1277
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,200
I feel like we had a lot of 
catching up to do in the middle 

1278
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,840
as well. 
I also wanted to know like where

1279
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,600
you guys like how do you guys 
assemble? 

1280
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:49,240
How many assembly you? 
Went from being a poet to a 

1281
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,400
cricket. 
Yeah, poetry, that's. 

1282
01:12:51,440 --> 01:13:02,160
Quite a transition. 
I I, I felt like, yeah, no, I'm 

1283
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,520
coming back to that. 
Like I wanted to restart my own 

1284
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,600
personal books books channel as 
well. 

1285
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,520
You see this, this is not for 
sure. 

1286
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,360
We actually, I'm actually a avid
reader. 

1287
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,720
Like I don't know how to even do
do anything else right now. 

1288
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,480
So plus, you know, I have a 
family, kid, baby, all that 

1289
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:22,360
stuff. 
But yeah, we will try our best. 

1290
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:23,880
No, thank you guys for taking 
the time out. 

1291
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:26,120
I really appreciate it. 
It was a long time coming. 

1292
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,080
I know we wanted to do it in 
person. 

1293
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:36,960
When? 
I had in. 

1294
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:45,520
Person. 
When you guys are over in Islam.

1295
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,680
But if you're ever over, yes, 
that'll be fun. 

1296
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,520
Yeah. 
Done, done, done. 

1297
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:08,040
Probably lose, but. 
So whenever you're in. 

1298
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,680
Inevitably, eventually, I I'm 
thinking 2027. 

1299
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,080
Let's see where life takes. 
In China for sure. 

1300
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,000
And then? 
South Africa, maybe. 

1301
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,400
South Africa maybe? 
Yeah, Cape Town for sure. 

1302
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,560
It was lovely guys. 
And then I will now cut the pod 

1303
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:25,920
here.