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Well, hey there campers, and 
welcome back to a brand new 

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episode of Camp Cryptid. 
I'm your host, Erica Fett, and 

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today I am so excited because I 
am not only here for a new 

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episode, I am joined by one of 
my dear friends who is also one 

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of the most incredibly talented 
people that I have the pleasure 

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to know, Gabe Braxton. 
He is amazing. 

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Yes, he is an amazing 
screenwriter, director, 

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musician. 
Is there anything, Gabe, that 

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you can't do at this point? 
Oh, you're really asking you 

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want me to well, everything I'm 
not very I like, I'm not very 

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good with cars. 
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like be oil changing and and 
stuff like that. 

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So I'll call. 
That's one thing. 

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For now, until he learns it and 
he's like, well, I mastered 

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that. 
But Gabe, you want to give a 

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little introduction to yourself,
a little bit about you as a 

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person, and then we can kind of 
dive into all the goodies. 

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Yeah, well, my name's Gabe 
Braxton. 

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I I'm from the West Coast, so I 
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Seattle in a town with a weird 
name called Federal Way, and 

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that's where I spent most of my 
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I've been living in the 
picturesque Commonwealth of 

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Virginia for the last like 7 
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It's my favorite place I've ever
lived. 

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It's most inspiring artistically
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I've lived. 
And I used to be a Christian, I 

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used to be religious and I be 
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That's a bike sort of a huge 
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who I am and and you know, that 
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And I also used to be a police 
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So I'm an ex cop as well, and 
that shows up in my work also 

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when it comes to like 
investigations and like figuring

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stuff out and like, we're going 
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know, my movie today and there's
a big investigation in the whole

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movie and trying to like, you 
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what's going on. 
So yeah, I started screen 

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writing back in I think like 
2019 or I think it was I, I had 

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a YouTube channel that was kind 
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I did vlogs and like weekly 
vlogs and stuff is growing well 

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at the time. 
But I had a friend of mine that 

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was like, hey, man, like you're,
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Have you ever thought about 
doing something narratively? 

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And I was like, well, no. 
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in. 
I wrote my first short. 

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And then I think maybe like, a 
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feature. 
And I was really scared to write

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a feature because I felt like, 
man, I need to have somebody, 

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like, a partner writing partner.
But I decided to just do it 

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myself. 
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And, yeah, So, you know, I got 
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through, like, YouTube. 
But I've always been interested 

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in, like, filmmaking and stuff. 
Like, I've logged back when 

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vlogs didn't exist. 
I went on a mission trip, I 

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forget what year, I think it was
like 2007 to Peru and I've 

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logged it and I don't have any 
of the footage which is 

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unfortunate. 
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I was that surprised. 
Like, why haven't I seen this? 

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Yeah. 
I know like you haven't seen it 

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'cause I haven't seen it. 
Like I, I did it on like a 

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camcorder that did that had mini
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It's like mini DVS. 
And I gave it to a family friend

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and I was like, hey, can you 
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digital for me? 
And I've never seen the footage 

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ever since. 
So don't know, I don't know what

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they did with it or whatever, 
but that's sort of like where my

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journey really like kicked off. 
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in like film and and whatnot and
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But yeah, that's me in a 
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I I do music like you mentioned,
I am working on like AEP right 

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now. 
It's all like monogamous love 

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songs and and stuff like that. 
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Thank you. 
And I also have two little girls

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I'm really, really proud of ages
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I'm so shout out to them. 
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in the movie as well. 
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movie. 
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having them do that. 
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was, you know, into rap music 
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And I'm a nerd probably at 
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at times, but you got to be 
cringe in order to make your 

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dreams come true. 
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Yeah. 
Love that it's so funny you said

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something about vlogging because
that's actually how I found your

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your feature film a Gettysburg 
haunting through the fundraising

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because I saw your like. 
Vlogs. 

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Yeah, it was almost like it was 
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let's bring these two people 
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it was like, I I hopped on 
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your post come up and it had all
your like, almost like your your

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video vision board for what you 
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hunting. 
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this is vibes. 
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Thank you. 
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you know? 
So you talked about A Gettysburg

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Haunting, your first feature 
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So tell for everybody who 
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posts or my posts about it, tell
everybody kind of like a little 

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introduction to a Gettysburg 
haunting. 

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OK, well I'll start off by 
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should start by saying this 
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Film Festival last year and I 
was telling people about my 

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movie when they asked and I like
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they were like, you should 
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point. 
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half of the United States 
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So over 50% of the United States
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OK, And so a Gettysburg haunting
is about a clairvoyant transient

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who's travelling across the 
United States to go visit his 

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grandmother because he can't get
a hold of her over the telephone

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and he hasn't heard from her and
she was sick. 

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So he's travelling to go visit 
her because he's concerned and 

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wants to see what's going on. 
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obviously he doesn't have a 
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across country. 
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abilities in order to like couch
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And he finds an ad that someone 
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abilities to speak to the dead. 
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And this is where we meet him 
when he ends up at a eerie 

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person's house in the middle of 
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And side note, he's black. 
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the house is like that person's 
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And this person wants to go 
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which, you know, is it? 
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It sounds stupid because 
nobody's really doing radio 

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right now. 
We're doing podcasts. 

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Exactly what we're doing right 
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But like, this person's like, 
yeah, I want to do a radio show,

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and he wants to go viral. 
So he wants, you know, be 

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popular and sort of, like, do 
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significant. 
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Andre, the Black guy. 
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Thomas. 
He sort of gets roped into this 

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radio show, and while they do 
the seance, he loses his ability

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to talk to the dead. 
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might think, OK, well, you know,
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move on on his journey, Thomas 
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to him that since he is on foot,
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what he calls Confederate 
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people who are sort of like, 
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black. 
Andre's a bit nervous about 

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that, But Thomas says, hey, 
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you a plane ticket so you can 
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to see your grandma who is in 
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And if only only though, if you 
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what, why you can't talk to the 
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And once you are, you know, have
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conjure up some evil spirits 
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that's what's going to sell. 
That's what's going to go viral 

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is like evil spirits and stuff. 
And Andre, you know, decides to 

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do it. 
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more to him making his decision 
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but he decides to do it. 
And that leads them down sort of

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a rabbit hole of trying to 
figure out why he lost his 

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ability to speak to the dead. 
That leads them all the way to 

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Gettysburg, where there's sort 
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speak. 
So yeah, that's a guys for 

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haunting in a nutshell. 
I love it. 

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Thanks. 
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You know, when it comes to like,
Gettysburg, is there anything 

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that like inspired you with 
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Like something like clicked and 
you were like, OK, that's that's

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you know, that would that's the 
story right there. 

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Yeah, well, I mean, it had a few
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So like I mentioned before, I'm 
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no, there's no battlefields on 
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And if you're listening on the 
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what do you mean battlefields? 
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you'll drive around and you'll 
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that'll like be, and there'll be
a field and that's literally a 

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battlefield of like with that 
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and different wars throughout 
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And so they have these like 
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find plaques and they'll, 
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the history of, of what happened
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And when I first moved over 
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to Gettysburg and I never been, 
never been to a battlefield, 

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never been to Gettysburg. 
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humongous and then very, very 
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And I remember sitting in and 
watching, I forget what it's 

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called. 
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like a little history video and 
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whole like the experience and, 
and thinking like, wow, like if 

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this battle hadn't gone the way 
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if you don't know, over 50,000 
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you know, during the Civil War. 
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battles that really turned the 
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end slavery. 
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nuances of like, well, did 
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know, give a shit about slavery 
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I'm just glad that it ended. 
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Gettysburg, it was just very 
like touching and very, you 

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know, it feels like a, like I, I
dodged a bullet basically, you 

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know, like how, you know, being 
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country, it feels like I, I 
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And so I was like, wow, this is 
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But also I learned that it's 
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Like people to this day, like 
tourists, there's people who 

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actually live there at 
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all where the battlefields are 
and stuff like that and historic

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homes. 
They hear, they see, they feel 

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like ghosts presence, the 
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And I was like, wow, it's like 
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And I'm, I'm into horror. 
So I was thinking, wow, you 

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know, I, I wonder if I could 
write a story that incorporates,

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you know, some history here and 
some ghost stuff. 

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And that's sort of what bread 
again, he's braunting. 

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And the interesting thing about 
it, like I thought of this idea 

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after, I think, after I wrote my
first and made my first short 

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film and I hadn't really known 
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how to write a feature film. 
And so I thought of the idea and

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I originally thought I'm going 
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found footage movie because 
that's typically what is easier,

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even though I think confidence 
films are extremely difficult if

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you're actually trying to, you 
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So that was the the original 
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but I put it on the back burner 
so I could learn how to write 

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basically. 
And I was trying to get repped 

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for a while and then that didn't
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And so I thought, OK, well, let 
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bit, but your feedback? 
No. 

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Okay, my bad, I started to hear.
No, it sounds good. 

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Okay, I'm sorry, skimming ahead 
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fundraiser and then we got 
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called Wolf Shoulder Films to 
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idea, I had my original idea. 
I didn't go with that. 

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haunting basically came to be 
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brain, which is crazy to think 
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And now it's like in post 
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So yeah. 
Oh, that's so exciting. 

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Yeah. 
I've been to Gettysburg too. 

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And like you said, it is it is, 
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you just, you just look and 
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Like they have like the the 
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like the northernmost that the 
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And it's like, damn, you know, 
like all these people were out 

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there fighting for what was 
right, You know what I mean? 

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And it's like just knowing too, 
that so many people passed away 

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in like 3 days and then knowing 
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people who hear drums, they hear
screams, they hear, they hear 

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rifles going off, you know what 
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It's like really honestly. 
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was like really attached to 
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Didn't I send you like, I sent 
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Yeah, Gettysburg. 
Yeah, I sent you books on 

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Gettysburg Ghosts. 
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Think I have like right over 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
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realize, like even going to 
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Inns, there are shops. 
There are so many places there 

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that are supposedly still 
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And so like, tying in this such 
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country into, you know, horror, 
which I to me, it has never 

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really been done. 
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actually filmed at Gettysburg, 
Right. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, spent. 
The day filming at Gettysburg. 

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Yeah, so I, I think that, you 
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like film and I can't wait for 
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And it's like so exciting that 
your vision is, is like coming 

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to life. 
Thank you, but that means. 

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Oh gosh, I know. 
I'm like every time I go to like

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a convention, I have like my 
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hanging up and they're like, 
when's that coming out? 

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I'm like soon. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Now, with that being said, you 
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process was, you know, like 
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collaborating with with with 
wolf shoulder films, were there 

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any roadblocks or like struggles
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your first filter? 
First filter. 

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Oh my God, first feature film. 
I can't tell it first feature 

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film. 
Wow. 

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Or you know any, I know it was. 
Or any like advice you would 

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give to someone who's like an 
aspiring writer or director? 

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Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So that's. 
A good question. 

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But it's good, it's good. 
Let me try and like narrow it 

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down to something simplistic so 
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from it. 
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biggest roadblock, you know, 
when it is going to be probably 

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yourself, you know what I mean? 
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the when it come when it comes 
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they're like, you know, like 
exterior roadblocks and stuff. 

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Like yes, they were, they were 
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We switched DPS three different 
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So that was a bit of a a hiccup 
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bigger hiccup is going to be 
yourself, right? 

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It's going to be what you think 
that you can do with whatever 

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tools that you have. 
And, you know, there was, there 

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were some nights where I was 
just thinking about like this 

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project and the fact that like I
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I'm like, man, what are you 
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Like, what? 
Like, do you even have the steam

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to, to do this, the motivation 
to do this? 

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And now you're involving other 
people and like, well, what if 

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like, you know, you do your 
crowdfunding campaign and you 

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failed and people won't want to 
support you. 

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You know, there's so many fears 
that that go through your head 

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and it's easy. 
It's so easy to either listen to

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all those fears at the very 
beginning or throughout some 

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part of the process of, you 
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accomplish something. 
And in this case, making this 

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movie that could that could stop
you, that you could justify, you

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know, and say, like, well, this 
is a good enough fear to stop 

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right here, you know, and I 
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like if you want to go out and 
do something and make something,

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do it, you know, write it with 
what you know, basically. 

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So the the very first like 
version of a Gettysburg 

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haunting, I wrote it knowing 
that I could 100% film it 

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myself. 
If you don't know how to film, 

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like there's so many resources, 
you know, like whether it's 

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filming or writing, there's so 
many resources. 

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I'm a self-taught screenwriter. 
You can go on YouTube, there's 

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books also, you know, there's 
communities on Twitter where 

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there you know, where you can 
find other people and find 

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encouragement and what not. 
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the biggest roadblock I don't 
know is that is that a good 

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enough one like to be to say 
self basically? 

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Self doubt. 
Yeah, Self. 

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Yeah, basically I want to, I 
just want to like internalize it

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a bit because I think like 
that's probably the biggest one 

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that that was the hardest to get
over, to be honest. 

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Like all the other ones, you 
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to help out and figure out, you 
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didn't have anybody to help me 
figure that one out. 

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I just had to basically ignore 
it and and like, you know, get 

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through those nights and 
justice, say, you know, I can do

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this, you know, So yeah. 
Yeah, I will say when you said 

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screen writing Twitter, since 
I've like been your friend and 

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stuff, like I've started 
following some of the people 

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and, and honestly, it's such a 
good community. 

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So absolutely. 
Like I'm not even a screenwriter

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and like y'all are so positive 
and encouraging and just so 

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supportive of each other. 
It's like it's honestly 

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inspiring. 
So 100% if you are a, an 

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inspiring screenwriter, 
definitely take Gabe's advice, 

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go to screenwrite or the screen 
writing Twitter, because I'm 

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telling you such a wholesome 
group of like super supportive 

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people that just like cheer each
other on. 

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And it's, it's honestly it's, 
it's so sweet. 

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I love it. 
Yeah, and you know, The thing is

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is like like everybody who not 
everybody like majority, like 

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the core people who worked on 
the movie, We all met on Twitter

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and we didn't know each other. 
You know, like we had never 

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really met each other. 
Like my Co producer Tom, like I 

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met him, you know, because he 
lives like an hour and a half 

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away from me. 
So we met up and and whatnot, 

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but we met through Twitter. 
That's how we first met was like

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through Twitter and everybody on
like that is the core community 

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of, of a gays bar haunting like 
the above the line and whatnot. 

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And some people below the line 
as well. 

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Like that's where we first met. 
You know, it was on Twitter and 

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we came together. 
We had a vision, you know, like 

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people supported me, which was, 
you know, I'm very, very 

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thankful for and supported my 
vision and, and, and latched 

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onto it. 
And so it became a collective 

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vision and we got together in 
West Virginia and we made a 

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movie. 
And it's kind of insane, 

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actually. 
And not only in West Virginia, 

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in the middle of West Virginia 
where literally our phones were 

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in SOS mode and we had no 
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80% of the time. 
Yeah, yeah, we were rural. 

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We definitely rural, yeah. 
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giving, like the little, like, 
you know, a little bit about a 

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Gettysburg haunting, I'm telling
you, it's a creepy area because 

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we were filming stuff at night 
and I was like looking behind 

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me, like, did I just hear 
something? 

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Like, yeah, yeah, it's a spooky,
it's a spooky area. 

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Yeah, it's and it's fun. 
I love it out. 

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Here it was now when you were in
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you know, even just for 
Gettysburg hunting and and prior

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to that, you know, with the the 
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did you feel any like vibes or 
did you feel anything like any 

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of the times? 
I guess going in there where you

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just felt like, yeah, this is 
eerie. 

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Like this is not only just for 
the impact, you know, but just 

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in general just being in certain
places that because I know that 

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you filmed in places that were 
like haunted for sure. 

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Did you feel anything like oh, 
was something looking at me or 

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oh, is this like? 
No, I didn't really. 

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I didn't feel, I didn't feel 
much of anything like that. 

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I think like the, I mean, I 
think I would like the 

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especially the first time I 
went, I was just so like mind 

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blown that it was just like, and
honestly, like even if I, if I 

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felt eerie, it'd be hard because
it, it just, it's so overcome 

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with excitement because I like 
shit like that, you know what I 

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mean? 
So it's like it's hard to 

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pinpoint. 
Like if I felt like I felt 

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eerie, like, and it wasn't at 
gates where it was at the cabin,

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like the where our cabin was, 
where we were staying because we

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were like out in the woods and 
it was pitch black where like 

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where I was housed along with a 
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And that was eerie. 
Yeah. 

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I felt like I felt that was 
definitely eerie. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Some of the things on set felt 
eerie at times, but yeah. 

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Yeah, cuz I tried to send you 
all before I got on set. 

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I tried to send you all big 
boxes of goodies and snacks and 

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stuff just cuz I'm like a mom 
and like half of the things 

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wouldn't even get delivered. 
So that's where we're going. 

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Yeah. 
Amazon isn't even delivering to 

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this place. 
Awesome. 

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Right, right. 
Because I had to like go like to

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the local post office and like 
figure out what was going on. 

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Yeah. 
And thank you so much for doing 

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that as well. 
No, I love hearing the stories 

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about Edwin waking up in the 
middle of the night. 

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I was just going, I was going to
mention that that was like one 

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of the eeriest things. 
So like every, there's basically

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every night, like in the middle 
of the night, I I hear like 

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creaking down the hall and I'm 
like, well, you know, I got my 

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door locked. 
I'm cool. 

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You know, I'm good to go. 
Like everybody else is sort of 

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screwed. 
But I got my door locked in my 

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bedroom. 
So like, I'm good. 

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And I'm like, damn, like this is
kind of spooky. 

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Like this sounds sounds like a 
ghost. 

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And it just turned out to be 
like our lead actor, Edwin Green

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in the middle of the night going
to grab Erica's snacks that she 

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sent some cookies and then bring
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Like OK, spooking the shit out 
of me but yeah. 

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Yeah, Edwin is so funny. 
Yeah, it was. 

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It was amazing to see him and 
Edwin Green and then Jeremy G, 

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who were the the leads of it, 
you know, just they knew each 

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other prior to this. 
And honestly, it was like such a

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good chemistry between the two. 
And, you know, I don't want to 

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give anything away, but they 
busted their asses to make some 

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of these scenes work. 
And I just like, it's like 

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inspiring. 
So yeah, I love that he was a 

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little Cookie Monster at night. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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That's one thing about me as I 
was talking to Gabe before this,

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and I was like, listen, even if 
I can just, like, help out and 

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just be like making sure 
everybody's taken care of like 

442
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,360
that, I love doing that. 
Yeah, I love. 

443
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,560
She's she's good. 
Two guys. 

444
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,400
Yeah. 
She made sure people were fed 

445
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,760
and taken care of. 
And this is very nice, very good

446
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,640
to have. 
So like, if you know you know 

447
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:03,280
anybody listen to this and you 
want to hire Erica, you should. 

448
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240
I just, you know, I just like 
doing everything, you know, I 

449
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,760
just like making sure people are
taken care of. 

450
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,400
I feel like that's my calling is
to be like a mom, like the like 

451
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,640
a set mom. 
Yeah, yeah. 

452
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,400
Now you, I know you grew up on 
the West Coast, right. 

453
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,800
But being on the East Coast and 
being all over, basically. 

454
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,960
Do you have a favorite Cryptid 
or urban legend that you think 

455
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,080
just kind of always sat with? 
You were like, yeah, that's 

456
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,080
badass. 
I love that. 

457
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,400
Oh, man, like, OK, so I, I would
say I like them all right. 

458
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,200
But like being from the Pacific 
Northwest, I gotta give it to 

459
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,960
Bigfoot because that's like, you
know, with the lore of, of, of 

460
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,640
him is all over the Pacific 
Northwest and stuff. 

461
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,080
And, and because it's like a 
like a rainforest up there. 

462
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,560
So there's some very, very 
green, like tons and tons of 

463
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,000
woods. 
It's very, I mean, you guys have

464
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,080
seen twilight. 
So it's very grey. 

465
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,160
It's very gloomy. 
It's perfect for him to hide, 

466
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,000
you know. 
So I would say Bigfoot is 

467
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,400
definitely my favorite. 
I do like, you know, but I like 

468
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,840
them all. 
Like when like, I love the lore 

469
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,160
of like Wendigo. 
Love the movie Antlers that came

470
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,720
out about the Wendigo. 
Love Mothman. 

471
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,880
So many. 
Yeah. 

472
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Yeah, and Virginia's got so 
many. 

473
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,160
I mean, being in Virginia alone 
with the, you know, the history 

474
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,480
and everything going down there,
there's so much haunted stuff 

475
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,080
and so many legends and so many 
like little things around there 

476
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,000
too. 
You know, you, you were into 

477
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,040
horror and stuff. 
Was there anything that, you 

478
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,360
know, even like prior to you 
writing and, and, and being a 

479
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,480
creative, was there ever 
anything that you experienced 

480
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,360
that was like supernatural or 
unexplained that you think that 

481
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,960
kind of like contributed you to 
being more like, into like the 

482
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:50,160
horror aspect? 
Oh well I would say can I break 

483
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,320
them down like 2-2 different 
separately? 

484
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,200
So like the the thing that 
really got me into like horror, 

485
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,960
because I've always been sort of
interested in like dark, like 

486
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,520
darker things, right? 
Like when I'm I'm watching The 

487
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,480
Lion King, like, yeah, Simba 
awesome. 

488
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,040
But like the hyena is like my 
favorite animal. 

489
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,840
And so when you have like, you 
know, Scar and, you know, and 

490
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,840
he, you know, is in the dark 
side of the of the land and he's

491
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,360
singing like be prayer. 
Like I love that as a kid. 

492
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:23,160
I absolutely love that. 
Like hook, you know, there's I 

493
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,480
think one of the probably, I 
don't, I don't want to say 

494
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080
underrated, but like there's 
there's a scene in hook that's 

495
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,440
like pure horror and it's after 
the kids get kidnapped and the 

496
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,560
parents come home and there's 
like the slash marks of the hook

497
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,320
going up the stairs and they're 
following like to, you know, the

498
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840
signs of hook having been there 
and taking the kids. 

499
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,600
And it's like so like 
terrifying. 

500
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,480
But like one of the things that 
really got me interested in in 

501
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,000
like on sort of like a deeper 
level was I had a friend who had

502
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,080
the book of shadows and it was 
just like a spell book and it 

503
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,400
was big and thick and gnarly 
looking. 

504
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,080
And I was like over at her house
with some friends and I was like

505
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960
going through it. 
And I just like, wow, this is 

506
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,280
like so cool. 
And it's, you know, it's Wicca, 

507
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,920
right? 
But I just was like, this is 

508
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,040
awesome. 
And that kind of spiked that 

509
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:16,920
interest for for me now as far 
as like, you know, like sort of 

510
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,720
eerie or supernatural event that
I was unexplainable that 

511
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,560
happened to me. 
I think I have like a few of 

512
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,600
them. 
I was actually just recently 

513
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,240
talking to my girlfriend about 1
and it was when I was a teenager

514
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,160
and I was laying down, I had a 
waterbed and I was laying down 

515
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,080
on my bed. 
It wasn't, it wasn't quite like 

516
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,000
it wasn't isn't night, but it 
wasn't tight like time for bed 

517
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,840
yet, but I was just laying there
in the dark. 

518
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,640
I had my bedroom door open and I
was I don't know if I was dozing

519
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,800
in and out. 
I don't remember what I was 

520
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:52,440
doing, but they're all of a 
sudden they were like 3 really 

521
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,920
tall looking like beings like in
my room, like off to my right 

522
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,120
and I was just like laying there
and I was like, holy shit, like 

523
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,240
what the fucks going on? 
I said I didn't say any of that 

524
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,200
because of the time I was a 
Christian, so I don't know. 

525
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,120
I would have said, Oh my gosh, 
what the heck is happening? 

526
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,400
I don't really know. 
But what the? 

527
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,360
Heck, are you? 
Yeah, what in tarnation? 

528
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,360
What tarnation? 
Some shit like that, right? 

529
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,360
Yeah. 
And I couldn't move. 

530
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,120
So like now, you know, like I 
know it's like sleep paralysis. 

531
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,840
That's probably like what I what
I was experiencing back then, I 

532
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,800
don't really understand, but I 
was like Oh no, like I can't 

533
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,640
believe this is happening. 
PG version so they started like 

534
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,960
moving though and they had like 
really like long they're 

535
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,360
probably 8 feet tall and they 
had like really long like 

536
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:42,400
fingers like really, really like
long like they they're sort of 

537
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,160
reminded me of the Naz goal in 
Lord of the rings, right like 

538
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720
that sort of like probably was 
my imagination. 

539
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,880
I don't know like look, I'm 
trying to like what is it 

540
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760
rationalize as I'm telling, but.
Like there's got to be a 

541
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,400
rational explanation. 
Totally. 

542
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,800
So they had like these really 
long fingers. 

543
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,800
And I remember 1 because so like
in front of me was my, my 

544
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,600
bedroom window and it was 
lighter outside. 

545
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320
So you can kind of see, I don't 
know what you call it, the 

546
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,040
contrast, right? 
So it was like dark and then 

547
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,120
sort of light. 
And then these figures moved in 

548
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,760
front of the window. 
So you see this like shadow 

549
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,320
thing moving from the window. 
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, like, 

550
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,520
what's it going? 
What's it doing? 

551
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,520
And then I felt it like tugging 
on my legs and I, I'm like, I 

552
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320
felt myself sliding down the bed
and I'm like, what's what's 

553
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,480
going to happen if I like get to
the floor and, and what not? 

554
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,400
And so like at the time in my 
head I'm like praying I'm like, 

555
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Oh my gosh, I need help. 
And then I all of a sudden could

556
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,200
move. 
I shot up my bed and the thing 

557
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,760
like basically like flew out the
window and I sat on to the side 

558
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,600
of my bed and I was like 
breathing hard. 

559
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,680
And my sister, she heard me yell
And so she went to the bottom of

560
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,080
the stairs because my, my 
bedroom door was like right in 

561
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,800
front of the stairs. 
And she was like, wow, what 

562
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,000
happened? 
Like, are you OK? 

563
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800
And it was just, that was sort 
of like a weird experience for 

564
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,560
me. 
There's a few other ones that 

565
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,520
are sort of like that. 
And I've had some here in, in 

566
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,080
this house I live in like now, 
but like, that was probably like

567
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,520
one of the major ones where I 
was like, wow, that's a, you 

568
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,240
know, really weird. 
Yeah, It's so funny when people 

569
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960
have experiences, it's like we, 
we almost try to come up with 

570
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,520
like, rational explanations to 
like, help us like deal with the

571
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,520
reality that it could have been 
something unexplained, you know?

572
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,000
So. 
Yeah. 

573
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Do you think that, like, do you 
think that having that 

574
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,120
experience is kind of something 
you carried over into writing, 

575
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,440
knowing that some of these 
things that maybe that you write

576
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,160
about when it comes to horror, 
some things are just like 

577
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,600
unexplained and some things are 
just like, yeah. 

578
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Yeah, yeah, I would say like 
definitely, you know, it's like,

579
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,840
I would say, you know, I think 
we've talked about it before. 

580
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640
I'm like, I'm like, I don't 
believe in it, but it's like, 

581
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,360
but I don't not believe in it, 
you know what I mean? 

582
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,960
So like it, it translates over. 
Like there's, there's, there's 

583
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,400
definitely a aspect of life that
we just aren't that we're like 

584
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,800
unaware of, right. 
And we're and we're constantly 

585
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,560
like learning like very science 
based. 

586
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,120
So we're constantly like 
learning these different things 

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,920
like there's there's, you know, 
like infrared technology or like

588
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,120
night vision technology where 
you're, you can see things you 

589
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120
can't see with your actual eye. 
But we're creating tools where 

590
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,480
we can like sort of see these 
things. 

591
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,640
But yeah, definitely I think 
like it's fun to sort of delve 

592
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,320
into and, and play around with 
when it comes to like on the 

593
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,880
page and like writing and what 
not. 

594
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,120
One of the one of the 
inspirations for a gazmer 

595
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,880
haunting was the law of 
conservation, which says that 

596
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,800
energy can neither be created 
nor destroyed, only transformed 

597
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,400
from one form to another. 
And that's very interesting, you

598
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,960
know, because we are energy 
during obvious, like we know 

599
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,600
that scientifically that we are 
energy and if we can't be 

600
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,360
destroyed when we, you know, 
just might be turning into 

601
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,520
something else, you know, and 
and within this universe. 

602
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,520
And that was a quote that was at
the used to be at the beginning 

603
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,880
of the movie. 
It's no longer at the beginning 

604
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,240
of the movie, but that 
definitely did play into like 

605
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,920
writing that that film and and, 
you know, having these sort of 

606
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,760
like weird experiences. 
And I am a definite fan of this 

607
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,440
podcast and hearing other 
people's experiences. 

608
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,640
It's just really neat. 
It's really fun to like, you 

609
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,240
know, think about basically so. 
Yeah, I love that when it comes 

610
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,120
to, you know, new, new movies 
and I guess like there's always 

611
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,800
ideas, right? 
Especially from your own 

612
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,840
experiences. 
Are there any new horror 

613
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,000
projects that you're working on 
or like any new like thoughts of

614
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080
something that you were like, 
oh, I love this idea, I want to 

615
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,320
do that. 
Yes, definitely. 

616
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,040
I'm currently writing and hoping
to have it done in December. 

617
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,520
But yeah, writing it and working
with you on it, Working with Tom

618
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,640
again, Tom Shrek. 
And I don't want to give away 

619
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,520
too much, but it's it's probably
it's more, it's going to be 

620
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,800
bloodier definitely and lean 
more slasher. 

621
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Whether or not it's going to be 
full on slasher, I don't know 

622
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,840
just yet, but definitely working
on like a a new project, which 

623
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,040
is I'm really thrilled about. 
And it's also, I guess I could 

624
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,040
say it's going to, you know, 
it's sort of like A1 location 

625
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,640
project. 
So it's, you know, like a low 

626
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:40,000
budget, but very, very fun and 
engaging movie that we're 

627
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,520
working on. 
I love You said it's gonna be 

628
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720
more bloody because during a 
Gettysburg haunting when I had 

629
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,680
to have blood in my mouth and 
stuff, I was like, girl, that 

630
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,880
tastes so good, put more in 
there. 

631
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,880
Give me more of that blood. 
I, like, walk over to her like 

632
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,600
I'd be like, you gotta do more 
of that blood. 

633
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,280
That's so good. 
I love. 

634
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,480
That like just fill my mouth up 
with it was so good. 

635
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720
It tasted like like vanilla. 
I was like, that's so good. 

636
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Really. 
Yeah, I should have got a shot 

637
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,240
or something. 
I know I did it Next time, Next 

638
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
time I'll be like I got. 
I got the blood. 

639
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Got the hiccup, yeah. 
It was really good though. 

640
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,800
I was like, Oh my God, this is 
so good, that's so cool. 

641
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,120
Now you did mention earlier that
you are like a fan of found 

642
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,480
footage. 
Is that like something you would

643
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,480
like to do Found Like a found 
footage movie wise in the 

644
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,440
future? 
Oh yeah, definitely. 

645
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,840
I have an idea. 
I have a lot of notes. 

646
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,880
I thought, you know, originally 
thought we were going to be 

647
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,560
doing found footage for this 
next film, decided not to. 

648
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,840
So for a while there, for 
months, all I was watching was 

649
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,480
found footage and just like 
writing things down and like 

650
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,840
creating sort of like a the do's
and don'ts for myself and, and 

651
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,800
laying down the foundation of a 
found footage movie. 

652
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,880
Another one that I'm like pretty
excited to, to do sometime. 

653
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,760
So yeah, definitely I'm a huge 
fan. 

654
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,720
I'm I'm probably, I almost, I 
probably would say I'm a bit of 

655
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,480
a found footage snob, to be 
honest with you. 

656
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,320
So like, yeah, I'm a huge fan of
found footage. 

657
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:01,880
John. 
Yeah. 

658
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,520
I was going to you to ask you 
what movies I should watch cuz I

659
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,840
was like, I also love found 
footage. 

660
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,720
And that's like one of the 
things we bonded over was like 

661
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,920
our love for found footage. 
And I would be like, yo what's 

662
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,719
that? 
What's this? 

663
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,719
And you sent me the one. 
What was the one where it was 

664
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,560
like they were at the tunnel and
it was like alien abductions. 

665
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,679
Was that alien? 
But it what? 

666
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,320
Was that called, man? 
What's it called 'cause it has 

667
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,600
to do with the brown mountain 
lights? 

668
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,880
Yes, yes, right. 
It's, I think it's like 

669
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,159
something like abduction or 
something. 

670
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:26,400
I think, I think it literally 
is, yeah. 

671
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,800
Yeah, but you told me that one 
and I was like, that one is so 

672
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,719
good. 
I love that. 

673
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,800
Really good. 
But yeah, I was so excited. 

674
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,880
You know, one of the things 
about found footage, you gotta 

675
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,040
find a reason to always have the
camera rolling. 

676
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,080
And the cool thing about that 
movie is the the basically the 

677
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,239
kid who has a camera, he's 
neurodivergent, so that's why 

678
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,520
he's always rolling the camera. 
He wants to film everything 

679
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,920
because it's like that's his 
thing that he's latching onto 

680
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,080
that he likes. 
It's a very good reason. 

681
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,440
Yeah, that movie is a great 
movie movie. 

682
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,880
Yeah, and we. 
I don't know if we have the 

683
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,160
title right, but yeah. 
I mean I feel like if people 

684
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,120
look found footage alien 
abduction. 

685
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,160
Brown mountain lights. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

686
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Found footage, Alien abduction. 
You'll find it, Yeah. 

687
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,760
Yeah, yeah, I'll put like a 
little like thing in the 

688
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,040
caption. 
This is actually the movie. 

689
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,280
Yeah, there we go. 
Yeah, because we were both fans 

690
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,360
of the Hell House movies. 
And there are honestly, like, 

691
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,800
you know, we pretty much are 
around the same Adrian. 

692
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,280
So like growing up with like the
Blair Witch Project, Yeah. 

693
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,400
You know, stuff like that where 
it's like such a unique 

694
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,800
experience because I watched the
Blair Witch Project when it came

695
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,400
out in theater. 
So like going into that and then

696
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,520
being, you know, I guess like a 
Guinea pig for those types of 

697
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,400
films was just like such an 
experience. 

698
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,960
So I think that my love is well 
carried over now today and I, 

699
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,960
you know, it's just, oh, gosh, 
yes. 

700
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Now, I did mention at the 
beginning of this that you are 

701
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,080
you are a very talented 
screenwriter and I've had the 

702
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,640
pleasure of reading some of your
other scripts. 

703
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,440
Are there any stories that 
you've written previously that 

704
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,400
you would kind of like love to 
do next? 

705
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Oh man, I mean, there's two of 
them that are sort of like my 

706
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,800
definite babies, but like you've
read like what happened to 

707
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,320
Johanna and that's definitely 
what I'd love to do. 

708
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,920
That's like my favorite script 
I've I've written and the wolf 

709
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,600
spiders definitely one, but 
those ones are a larger budget. 

710
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,160
The wolf spiders, probably the 
biggest budget without, you 

711
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,800
know, needed that would be 
needed. 

712
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,160
And what happened to Johanna? 
Like they're definitely more so 

713
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,440
probably had to not have to. 
But like would be nice to have a

714
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,160
studio come, you know, approach 
me and say, Hey, look, you, you 

715
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,520
have a project and I say, hey, 
yes, I do that type. 

716
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,680
Of thing like hey what do you 
know? 

717
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, I read what happened to 

718
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Johanna. 
I remember texting you about it 

719
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,240
because I read it when I was on 
a flight and there was a part 

720
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,800
that happened. 
And right when that part 

721
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,480
happened, when I was reading it,
we had turbulence. 

722
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:55,400
And I said, I said I got off and
I said I don't know what just 

723
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,320
happened, but that was 
terrifying. 

724
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,720
But yeah, I loved, I love that 
one because obviously, like I, I

725
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,640
just, I think I can't wait for 
you to do that one. 

726
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
But yeah, like. 
Sorry, I don't want. 

727
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,800
To tell you no, no, no go. 
Yeah, I was going to say so if 

728
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,400
you're listening and you don't 
know, So what happened to 

729
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Johanna is about a man and his 
bride who that they they have 

730
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,520
like a they're on their wedding 
night. 

731
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,400
They have like some sinisterly 
fun in the next, within the next

732
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,440
like 48 hours. 
Like the bride goes missing and 

733
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,000
he is trying to figure out like 
what happened to her and stuff. 

734
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,080
And there's some really eerie 
things that are taking place. 

735
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,760
And so he's like, that's sort of
like his journey to figure it 

736
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,360
out. 
His best friend is really 

737
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,560
skeptical and his best friend's 
a cop, but is in sort of like 

738
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,600
working the case and his best 
friend is skeptical of his 

739
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480
motives and stuff. 
So that's what happened in 

740
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,680
Johanna. 
The Wolf Spider is about a cop 

741
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:56,400
who loses her sister. 
Her sister was murdered by a 

742
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,840
serial killer who basically, 
like his motif, you know, he 

743
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,760
operates in the characteristics 
of a of a wolf spider. 

744
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,440
And so like, she's trying to, 
like, figure out, like I said, 

745
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,840
you know, like these these 
influences being obvious since 

746
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,440
Summer was a police officer and 
stuff. 

747
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,080
But she's trying to like, figure
out, like, you know, who this 

748
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,440
killer is and whatnot. 
So that's what those two movies 

749
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,520
are about. 
But yeah, I cut you off. 

750
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,680
So I don't know if you remember 
what you were gonna say, but 

751
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,240
yeah. 
Oh no, you're good. 

752
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,440
I just, I get so excited because
I've read everything and I'm 

753
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
like, I can't wait for these to 
get made. 

754
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,800
Now I know I focus a lot on 
horror and stuff and I and The 

755
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,080
thing is, you are such a like a 
deeply creative person. 

756
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,920
You do music and you don't at 
least just stick to to horror 

757
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,800
because you just did you 
directed right Skate, which is a

758
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,360
short that you and Tom Shrek, 
who also helped with the 

759
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Gettysburg haunting. 
You're going to a festival for 

760
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,480
that, right? 
Have you done the festival? 

761
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,600
Yet we haven't, yeah, there we, 
we've been accepted in 2-3 

762
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,880
festivals. 
One's like we have to one of 

763
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,280
one, we have to be there. 
There has to be like a 

764
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,160
representative. 
We don't know the dates yet for 

765
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,280
like any of them, but one's Red 
Rose Film Festival, the other 

766
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,080
one's Alexandria Film Festival, 
and then this newest one is 

767
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,240
Wheaton Film Festival. 
So yeah. 

768
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,920
And that's, that's just 
skateboarding. 

769
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,640
I used to skateboard and Tom 
still skateboards. 

770
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,080
So he wrote it, directed it, I 
filmed it and produced it. 

771
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,880
So yeah. 
As I say, I knew. 

772
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,600
I didn't know exactly. 
I thought I didn't know if you 

773
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,120
directed, but yeah, I knew you 
were heavily involved with that.

774
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,680
So I was like, not only are you 
like super good at horror, 

775
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,000
you're like very creative 
overall into, you know, So I 

776
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,720
think that's so fun. 
And I wanted to mention that 

777
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,720
because I was like, so proud of 
you guys when I watched it. 

778
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,680
It was so good. 
I haven't, I used to skateboard 

779
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,400
actually, and I have awesome. 
Yeah, I haven't skateboarded in 

780
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,080
years. 
And I was like, man, this is 

781
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,760
making me. 
This is making me like inspired 

782
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,080
to go out there and like. 
Yeah, yeah, no, I get this. 

783
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,800
I get that every single time I 
watch it. 

784
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,440
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, 
I'm not bored. 

785
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,400
Yeah, it's such. 
And would you say that like, I 

786
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,560
guess like if someone is 
listening and they're like, man,

787
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,040
you know, I have all these 
ideas. 

788
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,400
Would you recommend people to 
like start with shorts? 

789
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,640
You know, like start just start 
filming, start doing any start 

790
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,000
creating in general? 
That is such an interesting 

791
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,160
question. 
So so when I was before I 

792
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,120
decided to actually like have a 
goodies for hunting be my next 

793
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,440
project. 
I had like I had mentioned I was

794
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,360
trying to be repped as a 
screenwriter and I sort, I had a

795
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,120
general meeting that didn't go 
too well. 

796
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,120
And I was really, really 
discouraged actually. 

797
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040
And I was like, man, I just want
to get out and make something. 

798
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,080
And so I put a poll on Twitter, 
not like an actual poll, but I 

799
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,160
just ask people like, hey, 
should I make a short film or a 

800
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,920
proof of concept? 
If you don't know proof, don't 

801
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,680
know what a proof of concept is,
It's basically a short film of a

802
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:01,080
bigger concept that you have. 
If you you know the movie Saw, 

803
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,760
why am I drawing a blank of the 
director? 

804
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Like I shouldn't be James Wong, 
right? 

805
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,760
So he did approve a concept of 
Saw before Saw was made. 

806
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,400
And then that's what he showed 
to I think studios in the United

807
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,000
States. 
And then cuz he's Australian and

808
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,760
then he came over and made it. 
And so I put that out and there 

809
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,800
were a handful of like people 
were saying like, oh, short 

810
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,000
film, a proof of concept. 
But there were like a few people

811
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,200
that were just like, man, just 
go out and shoot the feature. 

812
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,560
Just go out and shoot the 
feature. 

813
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,360
And I was like, you know what, 
Like you can make a lot of short

814
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,760
films, right? 
And short films are good. 

815
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,400
I'm not saying that you aren't 
going to get recognized from a 

816
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840
short film. 
I'd say it's a lot harder 

817
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,360
though, to get recognized for a 
short film. 

818
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,160
If you really want to make 
something, go out and make the 

819
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,480
feature, you know, whatever, 
like however you can accomplish 

820
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,720
it, whether it's, you know, on 
your iPhone, just have good 

821
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,200
sound. 
He's like, that's one of the 

822
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,720
biggest things. 
Just have good sound. 

823
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,280
But that's what I would say if 
you have, if you have the means,

824
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,200
you know, the ability to do it 
on like an iPhone, or if you 

825
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,000
have the ability to do it on 
Alexa or red, go out and do your

826
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
best to, to write it, write a 
feature that you can make. 

827
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,800
And that's what I, that's my 
advice, because that was the, 

828
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,440
the advice that it was given to 
me that I took and got me to 

829
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,080
where I'm at now. 
And it feels pretty good to be 

830
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,920
where I'm at now. 
So I want those listening to 

831
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,120
feel good too. 
So you can do it. 

832
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,240
If you want to do it, go do it. 
Love that, I love that. 

833
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,120
That's it. 
Just do it. 

834
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,280
And you know, we were just, we 
were before the the episode, we 

835
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,360
were catching up. 
And it's just like movies like 

836
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,040
the good boy that you were just 
mentioning. 

837
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Yeah. 
Where the the couple filmed it 

838
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,520
over what you said, three years.
I think it's like 3 years is 

839
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,400
what they said, yeah. 
Yeah, I think I. 

840
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,360
Think it was like that. 
That's a long time. 

841
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,320
You know, they're filming, 
filming a movie with their dog 

842
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,080
in their house. 
And it's, it's so good. 

843
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,160
It's such a good movie. 
So it sometimes these things 

844
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,360
just take, take time. 
Like if you want to, you know, 

845
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,400
there's like I said, like we 
were just talking about, there's

846
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,400
some, some scripts that I have 
that are going to take a little 

847
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
bit more, you know, when it 
comes to like resources and 

848
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,960
stuff. 
But do something in the 

849
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,680
meantime. 
Like you can have your stuff 

850
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,320
that you know will take more 
resources, but do something 

851
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,840
small, you know, start with 
something. 

852
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,480
And not that a feature is small.
I'm just saying smaller 

853
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,800
resources. 
And I mean, like, you know, like

854
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,160
you said, join, join communities
of people who are going to 

855
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,080
support you as well. 
I think that that's a really big

856
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,360
thing and have people around you
who are going to encourage you 

857
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,040
and cheer you on, you know, 
because it's always great seeing

858
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880
art get made, you know, And 
anyway, whether it's music, 

859
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,280
movies, you know, actual like 
drawings, portraits, stuff like 

860
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,040
that. 
So art in general is just such 

861
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,480
an important thing. 
So now with that being said, 

862
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,240
Gabe to I guess because I feel 
like I've been talking your head

863
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:54,000
off. 
All morning, it's all. 

864
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,280
Morning, I guess to wrap it up, 
where I guess can people find 

865
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,960
you on, you know, Twitter, your 
website because you also have 

866
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,800
your own production company, 
Blackwoods Entertainment. 

867
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,200
Where can people find you if 
they want to find your work, 

868
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,800
your shorts, your music? 
What? 

869
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,480
What websites would you direct 
people to? 

870
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,800
Well, you know, shout out to 
Blackwoods Entertainment, my 

871
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,840
production company, but also I 
want to say shout out to Erica, 

872
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,520
who is creative director within 
that company. 

873
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,680
And yeah, shout out to Tom, who 
is president, Tom Schrack, 

874
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,920
president of Blackwoods. 
So we're all working together to

875
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,520
make some cool stuff. 
But you can go to 

876
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:36,240
blackwoodsentertainment.com on 
social media, Blackwoods ENTMT 

877
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,280
at Blackwoods ENTMT social media
at Gay Braxton. 

878
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,160
I try to make it simple, you 
know, for people to find me if 

879
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,720
they need to find me. 
So that's how you can sort of 

880
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:49,960
stay up to date with like what 
what we're doing, what we got 

881
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,720
going on and yeah. 
I love that. 

882
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,640
Yeah, I was going to say I think
I have in my profile too. 

883
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,400
I think I have Blackwoods 
Entertainment on my profiles 

884
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,760
too. 
So if anyone needs to like go 

885
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,400
check those out. 
But yeah, please go follow Gabe 

886
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,440
on everything. 
He's amazing. 

887
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,080
He's one of my close friends and
I'm so honored to like just not 

888
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,040
only be your friend, but to be 
able to work with you on cool 

889
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,920
shit, you know? 
Yeah. 

890
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,520
Hell yeah. 
No, it's great. 

891
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,360
Yeah. 
Make movies with your friends. 

892
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 
Like 100%. 

893
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,600
Like I think to me like it's 
such like a, a fun thing to do. 

894
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,400
And also it's like obviously 
stressful too. 

895
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,440
Obviously I don't want to, you 
know, paint it like it's just, 

896
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,760
yeah, fairy tale, wonderful 
world, right? 

897
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,640
But I will say it is it is an 
amazing time and it has been 

898
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,360
amazing to watch your work and 
your visions come to life. 

899
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,080
And I, you know, I don't want to
toot my own horn, but I've seen 

900
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,240
giraffes of a Gettysburg 
haunting and I'm like so 

901
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,840
excited. 
Yeah, so, well, not only, hey, 

902
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,760
we didn't even mention like, so 
Erica's in A gaze for haunting 

903
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,120
and she's actually one of the 
biggest parts of A Gaze for 

904
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,400
Haunting. 
I just, I always like, I don't 

905
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,520
know, I don't want to give out 
like too much because a lot of 

906
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
these things are sort of like 
surprises within the movie and 

907
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,640
stuff. 
So yeah, Eric is in it. 

908
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,440
Eric did a fantastic job, a 
great job, Some beautiful shots 

909
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,080
when it came to like just makeup
and set decoration and just 

910
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,240
costumes and stuff. 
Erica's in it and doing some 

911
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,880
cool stuff. 
So definitely watch it. 

912
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,520
If you're a fan of you're 
obviously you're a fan of Erica 

913
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,520
because you're listening to this
podcast, but like shout out, 

914
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,040
shout out to you, Erica. 
Thank you so much for not only 

915
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,240
supplying us with snacks, but 
being filmable. 

916
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200
And if that's weird. 
I'll take it. 

917
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,760
Hell yeah. 
I, I will say it has been like 

918
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
so hard for me not to like post 
like behind the scenes because 

919
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,120
like we've been, we've been 
really trying to keep it kind of

920
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,560
like under wraps what I look 
like. 

921
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,880
But it is like I'm telling you 
guys, I want to shout out to 

922
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
like how incredible this team is
that Gabe like kind of put 

923
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,360
together because they did such 
an amazing job with the the 

924
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,000
entire set for my my Home 
Office, I guess. 

925
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And I'm not going to lie, like 

926
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,160
when I saw I like I, I teared up
because I was like, this is just

927
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,800
so incredibly like creative and 
so badass. 

928
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,920
And for me just to even be like 
in that scene, I was like, so 

929
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,120
it, it is. 
I've been literally like trying 

930
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,360
to like not post anything 
because I'm like, I'm like dying

931
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,200
too. 
That's so cool. 

932
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,040
Yeah. 
But yeah, I mean that, yeah. 

933
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:23,960
That night when, you know, we 
filmed you at, like, your office

934
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,360
within the movie and stuff, that
was special. 

935
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,720
I mean, I think there is like a 
silence on set when everybody 

936
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:36,280
saw what, you know, the 
production designer Michael 

937
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,080
Asoka did. 
We were just like, wow, this is 

938
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,160
pretty freaking amazing. 
It was special. 

939
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,840
It was so good. 
I just can't wait for everybody 

940
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,280
to see it cuz it's just like I'm
so excited for it and it's like,

941
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,000
so I'm just so proud of it. 
I'm so proud of you. 

942
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,400
I'm just so proud of the entire 
team. 

943
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,920
So it's just. 
Like been good. 

944
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,760
But I will say, even though this
is the end of this episode, I 

945
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,200
will say I really want to have 
Gabe on again and maybe have 

946
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,400
Edwin and Jeremy on maybe do 
like a little. 

947
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,240
I think that would be so maybe 
Tom too and have like everybody 

948
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,440
on talk about it. 
I think it be really, really fun

949
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,040
because I definitely want to ask
Edwin about his midnight like. 

950
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,520
We have story. 
There's some stories. 

951
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,280
There's some funny, funny 
stories. 

952
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,520
Yeah, there's. 
So there's so many good stories.

953
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,720
I cannot wait. 
But so I definitely want to have

954
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,480
game on again, you know, closer 
to when we Gettysburg haunting 

955
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,160
comes out. 
And, you know, maybe in the in 

956
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,760
the meantime, we'll have them on
again to talk about more of your

957
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,360
of your upcoming films, because 
I know you have so many projects

958
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,920
because you're so Dang creative.
Thank you. 

959
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,120
When it comes to so many things,
like even like your music, I was

960
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
like, is there anything you 
can't do like? 

961
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Holy cow, oil change. 
Yeah, he goes. 

962
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,640
He goes and Youtubes it, masters
it in an hour. 

963
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,080
It's fine. 
No big deal. 

964
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,280
But Gabe, I want to thank you so
much for taking the time to come

965
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,000
on and talk. 
I know I've, I, you know, I was 

966
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,360
so excited because I was like, 
you're kind of being like my 

967
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,720
little Guinea pig today because 
this is the first time I've 

968
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,200
actually done like an interview 
through my like recording app. 

969
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,520
So I was like, thank you so 
much. 

970
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,480
Like not only being my friend, 
but like, do you know, just 

971
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,480
supporting me too? 
So. 

972
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,760
Absolutely. 
Thank you. 

973
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,480
But. 
Everybody go follow Gabe, cheer 

974
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,120
him on. 
I can't wait for you all to see 

975
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,520
his work at Gettysburg haunting 
his music. 

976
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,240
It's amazing. 
And if you all like what you're 

977
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,760
here in, make sure to go leave a
review on Apple or Spotify and 

978
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,080
you know, go hang out. 
We I do post stuff on YouTube 

979
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,520
too. 
So now that I have like the 

980
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,760
video of Gabe's interview, I'll 
make sure to post that on 

981
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,800
YouTube too. 
But other than that, thanks 

982
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,880
y'all so much for hanging out 
for with me and Gabe today. 

983
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,400
It was an amazing time to catch 
up. 

984
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,880
And you know, we just talk 
horror talk at Gettysburg, 

985
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,880
haunting talk about all the 
exciting things that you're 

986
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,160
you've got in the works and 
shout out to Tom, you know, for 

987
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,800
being there for both of us, you 
know, especially for the 

988
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,120
creative visions for sure. 
And yeah, thanks everybody. 

989
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,840
Make sure to go follow Gabe and 
until next time, take care.