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strengths, your interests and 
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hopefully, the right kind of 
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company when you leave the 
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Welcome to the when see a 
podcast today, we have a special

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guest Colonel, John Hutchison on
behalf of Hiring. 

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Our Heroes are in are heroes is 
an organization that helps 

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military members and spouses 
with training networking and job

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What are the biggest challenges 

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for people who are leaving the 
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skills to the civilian world and
learning to work. 

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In a new culture are in our 
heroes, is one of the leading 

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organizations for helping people
bridge that gap between military

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and civilian careers. 
They do this by organizing 

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training iron events running 
Fellowship, programs organizing 

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education, and networking 
opportunities to discuss Hiring 

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Our Heroes. 
As I said, our guest today is to

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Colonel, John Hutchison, who is 
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to a civilian career? 
He and Hiring Our Heroes have 

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agreed to have him on, to 
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hopefully help others in their 
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So here's a little background on
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John Hutchison started in 1995 
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contingency operations, 
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He also held command positions 
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included the commandant of his C
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strategy from the national War 
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it administration of justice 
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Lions. 
Now, I'm personally leaving out 

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details about his career. 
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on the transition to the 
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service members need. 
We'll have to send. 

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Of course you are. 
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career and what you did you were
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But I also wanted to give a 
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focus on Hiring Our Heroes. 
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I will have his LinkedIn address
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link on the show notes. 
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want information, it'll be there
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With that said, Colonel 
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Good morning, and thank you for 
coming on one CA Hey Jack. 

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Good morning to you and good 
morning to all your listeners 

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and thanks for having me on. 
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on. 
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Hiring Our Heroes and this is my
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work out into a public setting, 
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they do, and why it's important.
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today is because you're in the 
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So not only do, you know, Hiring
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living it. 
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what you're seeing with the 
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Well, thanks for the question 
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Yeah, it's been as you stated 
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transition process right now. 
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Our Heroes over the last several
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corporate fellowship program, 
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transitioning military members, 
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service, the place them in 
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11-week 12-week, corporate 
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like the see if it's a good fit 
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fellowship that at Lockheed 
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That's what I was going to say 
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smudgy corporations, you know, a
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that industry. 
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Hiring Our Heroes partners with 
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all Industries and all sectors 
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transitioning military members a
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choices to look at for this 
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partners for a while but there's
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companies out there who see the 
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giving them opportunities to 
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military. 
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programs, Yes, so if you are in 
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development sessions as part of 
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Interviewing techniques, you 
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it when they're getting out and 
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the civilian sector. 
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holistic approach to prepare you
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that's the hardest part, isn't 
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language change, because that's 
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resume. 
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office is very different than 
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military and it takes time. 
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that. 
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Jumping into a sir, ma'am. 
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say, hi, Tom, how you doing 
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billion dollars and and it's 
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honest, it's a hard transition 
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military as well because they're
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office, who's a billionaire and 
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can play and, and they just 
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four star, or even a to It's a 
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much work is it taken to get 
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How did you know I have found 
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I know it can be an adjustment 
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you know, I the skills that I 
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a leader weren't too difficult 
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speaking into the civilian 
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skills that you've developed 
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difficult. 
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my skills and experiences 
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sector but also know that others
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that connection and to really be
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Right? 
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good. 
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recruiting, is that public 
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These roles that deal with 
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communities, local governments 
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the career field, because those 
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over, the overtime are 
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It's just then a little bit of 
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Absolutely. 
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And you've traveled all over the
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So you have seen this Yeah, I've
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places and some not so wonderful
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well Jack. 
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And you know, all of those 
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and immersing myself in other 
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assignments. 
They've all helped me. 

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I think to be adaptable to 
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certainly transitioning to a 
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culture with would qualify as a 
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helped me along the way. 
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through Hiring Our Heroes, 
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bring up and I'm not sure if you
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But Hiring Our Heroes also 
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spouses which is wonderful when 
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agreements she's a financial 
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You worked Wall Street and to go
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well you can work at the gas 
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deflating and I paid the price. 
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it's nice to see that programs, 
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consider the spouse, as well? 
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of our lives and our military. 
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Yeah, I can't agree with you 
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I to, you know, I'm married and 
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my wife, you know, went through 
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promising career here in the 
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that we moved to Okinawa and she
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But the the resources back, you 
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2007, to 2010 the resources to 
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So I'm, it's wonderful to that 
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organizations are paying 
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military spouses and creating 
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the difficulties of a military 
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Absolutely true. 
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a remote work now. 
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90s, you know, the only remote 
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sales or bill collectors. 
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Right. 
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world, for sure? 
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actually for us looking into our
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fourth careers, you know, it 
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can work remotely or through 
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branches and agency stations 
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job. 
It's really made it much more 

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convenient. 
Yeah, for sure. 

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So, can you talk about 
informational interviews? 

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I think that's something that 
People have heard of, they don't

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understand. 
Yeah, absolutely things that you

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hear over and over through the, 
the tap program and in Hiring 

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Our Heroes and other experts on 
Military transition is Reach 

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Out, Network, conduct 
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people who are in your industry 
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interested in, to find out more 
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that role more about the kind of
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And you're, you know, it's a 
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Somebody a connection request 
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hey I see, you're you're 
involved in this particular role

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that I'm interested in and I 
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20 minutes or so just to find 
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what it takes to succeed in this
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And that's really really 
helpful, especially if you're 

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looking to completely change the
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I think the biggest fear people 
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and chain of command is actually
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talk about it because it's it 
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respected and appreciated. 
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up. 
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program enough for transitioning
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six or eight year mark or you're
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placed in a job when you leave 
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helping, you understand 
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interests and then helping guide
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approach and I you know, if 
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their programs that you take 
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that they have, and there are 
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you know, leveraging some of 
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and things like that, they're a 
great organization and they're 

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helping a lot of veterans, 
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You know, it actually I was just
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resources and they have employer
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unemployment and transitioning 
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belong. 
It at work, is it? 

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I, you still feel like a soldier
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these, these carpeted halls. 
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belong, you know, and so it's 
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that gets you into that 
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comfortable in that workspace. 
So well, fantastic Colonel John 

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es hecha said, you've been 
great, I appreciate all the time

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you've put into this meeting and
I look forward to seeing your, 

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your career go, you know, 
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back. 
Thanks for having me and again, 

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to all your listeners. 
If You're getting ready to 

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transition from the military. 
Check out Hiring Our Heroes. 

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They're fantastic. 
A lot of great programs to help 

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you and Jack. 
Thanks again for having me on my

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