1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,400 People often say, well, if it's all this false stuff, why do 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,900 they have credibility? Why does anyone believe their 3 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:09,100 version of the story? Well, they don't care if you 4 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:12,100 believe their version of the story and while we care about 5 00:00:12,100 --> 00:00:15,100 information fratricide and getting our narrative consistent 6 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:18,700 and correct, they do not all of their separate units operate 7 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:22,100 independently. And if they disprove, even each 8 00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:25,800 other's stories, they don't care about that because their goal is 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,700 not to get the target audience to believe what they're saying. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Their goal is to so enough, confusion and uncertainty in the 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,500 decision space. 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Let us unpack your data and put 18 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:59,000 your knowledge to work, learn more at Tesla gov.com. 19 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:03,900 Elsie 38, brand.com the Civil Affairs Lifestyle. 20 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:07,800 Brand a little bit of something for everybody t, shirts, polos 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,500 shorts, hats Flags, posters for your walls and stickers for 22 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:15,000 everything else items for citizen soldiers of use of kapok 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,300 and Warrior diplomats at Fort, Bragg alike, Elsie 38 brand.com, 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:32,200 it's cool to like, your job. This is our first of two 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,800 episodes talking with Majors Brian Hancock and Jack gains 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,900 about the theater information Advantage element. 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Enjoy the show. Jack gains is an Army Reserve 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,600 officer who works as a policy and strategic advisor in the 29 00:01:45,607 --> 00:01:49,200 Washington DC area. You also leads a social movement 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,000 called 46 x, the fight, to perform DOD public affairs. 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,700 Jack's education includes a master's degree in communication 32 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,100 management from the USC Annenberg school for 33 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:03,400 communication and journalism. Major Brian Hancock was the CEO 34 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,000 of a small information company. For 16 years. 35 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:10,000 He enlisted in the US Army in 2005 and went forward to serve 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,700 the nation in Afghanistan. He's currently the G9 in charge 37 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:17,100 of civil military operations. For the 79th. 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,600 Theater sustainment command. The second largest military unit 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,700 in the Department of Defense. Major Hancock is Mos qualified 40 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:28,600 for and has served in intelligence, psychological 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,800 operations, and civil Affairs as a civilian. 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,600 He's the deputy for the Marine Corps, ground Center of 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Excellence, Advanced Training Department, located, in 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,200 Twentynine Palms, California. He has been published in the 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,800 National Federation of advanced Information Services. 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,600 The military intelligence professionals Bolton small Wars 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,200 journal. The Pentagon strategic 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,600 multi-layer assessment in the Civil Affairs, issues papers. 49 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:56,000 This Man possesses bachelor's degrees in political science and 50 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,100 psychology. A master of science in 51 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:01,700 management and National Security and certifications and project 52 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:05,200 management leadership in energy and environmental design and 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,300 adult learning. Hi, and welcome to the one. 54 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:09,200 See a podcast. My name is John Miguel. 55 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,400 Get your host for today's episode and we're joined by two 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,900 majors talking about the theater information, Advantage element, 57 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,200 T IA, e, a quick disclaimer for everyone or marks. 58 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,900 Are those of the presenters? And do not represent the views 59 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:26,900 of the US Army or Department of Defense gentlemen, welcome to 60 00:03:26,908 --> 00:03:28,400 the show. Thanks John. 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,300 It's really great to be here. Appreciate it. 62 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,200 Hey John glad to be here. Thank you. 63 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:35,700 Yeah, we're glad to have you on the show to talk about this 64 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:37,900 theater information Advantage, element. 65 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:40,700 We want to talk about why it matters implications for the 66 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:43,500 military. And I understand the right now, 67 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:46,700 it's an experimental formation that's under review by somebody 68 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:48,800 somewhere and we'll try to get to that later. 69 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:52,800 But first, I want to set the stage for listeners by Being a 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,000 few things, some terms like convergence information related 71 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,300 capabilities in which activities fall under that umbrella of ircs 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,600 and what Gap in capability. This new approach this theater 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,500 information Advantage element. RT iae is we may refer to it in 74 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:13,100 the show. What keep ability Gap is this a 75 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:15,800 new approach trying to fill. First of all the theater 76 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,800 information Advantage, element is not a single formation. 77 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,500 It's an actual on formation. So, it's all the way up to the 78 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:27,300 co-commander. All the way down to, about the 79 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,000 Battalion level, depending on the nature of the mission 80 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 involved. Your question, has three 81 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,200 components to it. John will answer those in turn. 82 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:39,500 The first is, what is what is this idea of convergence? 83 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:42,400 And how is that new? What is happening to our 84 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,000 traditional information related capabilities in this formation? 85 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,100 And what gaps could this new experiment information 86 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,300 potentially fill for the Department of Defense. 87 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:56,000 So when we talk about convergence, which is at the 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,600 heart of this new capability is what we're trying to achieve 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,600 with the T IA e. This actually originated a 90 00:05:03,608 --> 00:05:06,500 number of years ago in the intelligence Community. 91 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,200 We were studying something called complex, adaptive systems 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,900 theory, in complex, adaptive systems an individual agent, 93 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:19,200 such as the head of a power plant, in a city can affect an 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,500 entire system, say the power system of that City. 95 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:26,400 Simply by pushing a button and turning it off in which case all 96 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,700 of the citizens of that City or the Agents of that system will 97 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:31,900 all change their behavior in response. 98 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:35,200 So an agent can change a system and a system can change the 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,600 behavior of all of its agents. These are very complicated 100 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,900 systems and as we try to attack these systems in our 20 years of 101 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:47,700 coin fights. What we were finding is that 102 00:05:47,700 --> 00:05:53,400 when we made an impact with one of our capabilities, He was just 103 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,000 not Battlefield significant, we can make a slight gain and then 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,000 if we roll back, we didn't have a lasting effect on those 105 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,400 systems. So this develop something called 106 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,800 the concept of parallel attack where instead of just doing one 107 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,300 thing in a system on its own, you make a whole bunch of 108 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:14,900 interrelated efforts doing exact attempting to achieve exactly 109 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:19,100 the same effect simultaneously over time. 110 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,500 And that had the potential to move that system. 111 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:26,700 In a sustainable way. Well a few years go by and that 112 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:29,000 evolved into this concept of convergence. 113 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,500 Convergence takes the concept of parallel attack in a complex 114 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:38,600 adaptive system and it adds to it elements of being rapid and 115 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,200 continuous integrated in all domains. 116 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:45,600 Also the electromagnetic spectrum and the information 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,000 environment with the goal of optimizing, the over match 118 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,900 against the enemy, through cross-domain synergies and About 119 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:56,100 forms of attack. Now that's the textbook 120 00:06:56,100 --> 00:07:00,200 definition from the operational and organizational Concepts. 121 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,900 I Know Jack, you probably have a better way of saying that I'll 122 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,400 have it to you. This is why I work with Brian so 123 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,700 much as he's beautiful on the technicals and the doctrine. 124 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,900 And then I mash it all together and too big in a primordial soup 125 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:17,600 and say, this is what it is. And basically, as I've seen it 126 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,900 convergence is the evolution of the siloed approach, like Brian 127 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,700 was saying, you know, No. We at first, you know, conflict 128 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:30,500 was managed through a rush of people all on an issue and then 129 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:34,000 we've become specialized. Now, we're shifting back to 130 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 removing some of those silos and becoming more unified and 131 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,700 convergent in our efforts. And I believe it comes from, you 132 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:44,700 know, people who have deployed and experienced operations in 133 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:48,800 the field because that's where an evolving concept like this 134 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,000 would come from, it's different from current policies and that 135 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,600 you have a tie. Group that everyone pitches in 136 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:59,200 to get through the mission. Often people are used to that 137 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,700 efficiency in smaller groups. The what this is trying to do is 138 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:06,200 establish it at the command level and remove some of that 139 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,600 frustration and bureaucracy from the process. 140 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,800 So I suspect that the convergence movement is an 141 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,000 attempt to recapture some of the field, operational efficiency, 142 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,300 and bring it to a more established command level, 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,500 right? Thanks for that Jack. 144 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:24,700 Let's talk a little bit about information, while your 145 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:27,400 capabilities and what's happening with them in the 146 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,200 theater information, Advantage element. 147 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:35,299 The new experimental Doctrine is moving away from formations as a 148 00:08:35,299 --> 00:08:39,700 siloed capability. So, in the coin fight, where we 149 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:43,900 had an ew section, A psyop Team, a civil Affairs, team of public 150 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:47,100 affairs, team information, operations, military deception, 151 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:50,900 and operational security, operating and training largely 152 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:52,500 independently and then getting together. 153 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:57,400 Other once, they go to theater in large-scale combat operations 154 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:01,500 at the speed of Modern Warfare, the military's realized that is 155 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:05,500 not going to be an effective approach to achieve the effects 156 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,400 that need to be achieved in the compressed time frames that they 157 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,300 need to be achieved in especially in dense Urban 158 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:15,300 environments where we suspect we will be fighting future Wars. 159 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,300 So what the theater information advantages? 160 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:22,500 Element has done is its D emphasized. 161 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,400 And I are see as an MOS and a single capability and it's now 162 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,900 emphasizing something called information, Advantage 163 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:36,200 activities and information Advantage, activities are things 164 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:41,300 that many other formations will participate in not just the 165 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:43,600 traditional information related capabilities. 166 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:47,600 So, to achieve information, Advantage, activities, you have 167 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,100 DOD information network operations, intelligence 168 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:55,300 operations, This operations, integrated joint, special 169 00:09:55,300 --> 00:10:00,200 technical operations, cyberspace operations, and others. 170 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,100 You could even have maneuver units that through their 171 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:08,200 position posture and profile are achieving an information related 172 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,300 effect. So they're attempting to bring 173 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:14,500 all of these together and synchronize them under a single 174 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:18,400 umbrella in order to achieve information Advantage for 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,000 Windows of time, that the maneuver Force particularly on 176 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,600 offense. I will exploit to achieve the 177 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,100 Commander's in state Jack. Do you want to talk a little bit 178 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,000 about that? Yeah, that's that's brilliant. 179 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Brian. And and the thing that I always 180 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,500 like to stress with it is, you know, the capabilities 181 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:38,500 individually and combined are important, but it's also how 182 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:41,400 they're applied. That's critical a lot of, you 183 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,500 know, current military. Thinking these days is based on 184 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,800 one-off events. You know, targets are one-off 185 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,600 focused events breach operations, drone strikes, 186 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,900 single Item targeting that is narrowly focused and we need to 187 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:57,800 break through that. We need to get into what's 188 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,000 called persistent engagement where we either have a rheostat 189 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,400 on our enemy's actions that we can drag their efforts down or 190 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,100 open space up. If we want to take advantage of 191 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:14,700 their momentum information, Advantage by definition is 192 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:19,400 persistent. So whether it's an IO or J-3 Ops 193 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,800 person or other element, that's leading the effort the The key 194 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,200 is to converge all the capabilities and successes and 195 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,800 energies of the different elements together to 196 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,900 persistently operate in the contested space and that builds 197 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:36,700 support while stigmatizing, you know, competitors and 198 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:41,000 adversaries. So, in concept, it sounds easy, 199 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,100 but in practice, it's much harder to do. 200 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,700 Right? Thanks, Jack. 201 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,900 John, let's move on to the your question about gaps and what 202 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:51,100 gaps the T. I am a feel for the military. 203 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:55,900 I want to talk We about to gaps. The first is the gap. 204 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:59,200 We touched on previously about these separate silos of 205 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,700 Excellence, where we have civil Affairs training in one unit in 206 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:06,000 one groups, I often another unit and another group, you know, 207 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:10,100 electronic warfare separate etcetera and then they only get 208 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:12,400 together either at the mobilization side of the 209 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,400 reservist or when they're doing a large exercise or deploying if 210 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,000 they're in the active component, and what we're finding is the 211 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,300 speed of Modern Warfare, that that's just too Too little too 212 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:26,200 late, especially when you're looking at the increasing number 213 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,900 of dynamic targets that you can have in Modern Warfare and in 214 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:34,500 the dense Urban environment. So this breaks down those silos 215 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,500 by bringing all of these different elements together in 216 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:41,300 the same formation and they live work. 217 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:45,700 Eat Sleep Train plan work. Oh, plans. 218 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,900 Develop branches and sequels refers execute all together and 219 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:53,400 their station. Assistant forward. 220 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,500 So they're doing all those things in the actual environment 221 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:59,800 where they're going to execute so it's a huge leap forward. 222 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:05,500 In terms of how that force is built, men trained plans and 223 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,400 execute operations to synergize effects and the second Gap that 224 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,600 we all have to talk about. As soon as we talked about 225 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,500 anything in the information environment is authorities. 226 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:20,500 Now, traditionally authorities, follow the command. 227 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:24,200 That is in the region. Usually, Ali under the combatant 228 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,400 commander for that area of responsibility and those very 229 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,100 widely. Some formations have a fair 230 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:35,600 amount of authority and others have very little but rarely if 231 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,200 ever do they have all the immediate Thor? 232 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,400 Teas. They need to be effective from 233 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,300 day Zero. Well, the theater information 234 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:46,000 Advantage. Element has very broad 235 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,200 authorities for all of those things. 236 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,700 Including National Technical assets such as space and And 237 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:57,600 cyber delegated down to it, just like the CJC SI withstanding 238 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,200 authorities, they have that from Day. 239 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,100 Zero anywhere. They go forward in the rear Etc. 240 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:07,600 So they do not have to go through those traditional 241 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,800 lengthy and inefficient approval processes, to achieve the 242 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,600 authorities. They need Jack. 243 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,300 I know you have some experience with that, especially in public 244 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:17,900 affairs. You want to talk about that 245 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:22,000 first off to to summarize Brian's point, you know, the ti 246 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,100 e finds communicators and Signal platforms and it actually cuts 247 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,200 through nine types of silos to focus on the mission. 248 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,700 That's cutting nine forms of bureaucracy to get to the 249 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,700 effect. And that's that's amazing. 250 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,100 And as far as the authorities, most of the time, I see one 251 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:43,900 element, or another getting frustrated because they need 252 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:45,800 specific authorities, complete a mission. 253 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:50,500 Usually though another element has a similar Authority or 254 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:52,400 capability that can cover the gap. 255 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:56,600 I see this all the time and it kills me because we waste so 256 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,700 much time. Trying to gain authorities for 257 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,300 one element when another element or organization has that 258 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:05,700 capability and just needs to be asked and then they can get the 259 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:09,400 permission and help. 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We're talking about the theater 305 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,600 information, Advantage element or t IA e John. 306 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,800 I think we could probably spend most of the podcasts unpacking. 307 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,000 This, this great question, you asked, but I know your listeners 308 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,800 one at want to hear about some of the other items. 309 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,700 So if it's okay with you, let's move on to the second question. 310 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,100 Yeah let's do that. I really appreciate that 311 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:07,200 gentlemen. I'm it's clear that you're well 312 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,500 versed in this. Like I care a lot about it and 313 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:12,700 it reminds me of two things that come to mind. 314 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:16,200 I grew up born in 79 and I remember this animated show 315 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,500 called Voltron. It's kind of like you're fusing 316 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:23,100 together, all these different pieces to make a giant. 317 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:25,900 Voltron that's going to be stronger and more Nimble and 318 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:28,100 more effective and then there was not 11. 319 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,100 And what comes to mind for that is the fusion cells, the 320 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:36,400 intelligence Fusion cells cells, which just proliferated around 321 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,800 the country, every count. Auntie and state for emergency 322 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,400 response and their EOC they created versions of fusion cells 323 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,400 and businesses. Now Fusion cells. 324 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:49,500 So hopefully that's where this goes, and you'll see the effects 325 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:51,800 of it as well. Gentlemen, I wanted to apply 326 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,300 this to a real world scenario. So if the T iae existed today, 327 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,000 how would you say it could be employed to support American 328 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,100 efforts that are going on right now in support of Ukraine? 329 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,400 In the fight against Russia? Brian. 330 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,800 Thanks for the John I know we're all following. 331 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,300 You praying very closely for a variety of reasons. 332 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:15,800 So this is a very prescient question to ask. 333 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:20,300 So it lets say that NATO was involved in this fight and a 334 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:23,400 formation like the ti e was present. 335 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:26,100 The first thing we need to understand in the Gia is well 336 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:30,800 positioned to understand is the way our enemy in this case, it 337 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,600 would be Russia. Conducts their information 338 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,600 operations, and information Warfare their most utilize. 339 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:41,100 Micah's, what Rand and others have called the firehose of 340 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:46,400 falsehood, where they just litter the information space, 341 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:51,100 and not just social media Airwaves print multispectral. 342 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:54,600 Absolutely everything. They flooded with all kinds of 343 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,700 disconnected, disjointed, theories and statements 344 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:02,800 alternate views and explanations of events. 345 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:07,800 And they're very skilled at this, because their information, 346 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Warfare battalions. Doctrine, Li are already 347 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,400 integrated formations that train and plan together. 348 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,500 They don't come together at a mobile site or deployment like 349 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:21,000 our dues. They already have a standing 350 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,700 capability that has some elements of the ti in it. 351 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,000 And those information Warfare battalions, are traditionally 352 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,500 organized, under Russia's, reconnaissance intelligence, 353 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:34,700 surveillance and Target acquisition or rishta brigades 354 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 and they have backing all the way up to strategic. 355 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:40,800 Communication. So there have been powerful and 356 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,900 effective and have traditionally out cyclist in the information 357 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:48,700 space in a number of instances show that if we bring the ti 358 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:52,100 into the table, one of the things we can do is understand 359 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:56,100 how Russia does business and begin to counter that. 360 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,900 And one of the things that we need to understand about Russian 361 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:02,200 information, Warfare, people often say, well, if it's all 362 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,600 this false stuff, why do they have credibility? 363 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,300 Why does anyone believe their version of the story? 364 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,500 Well, they don't care if you believe their version of the 365 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,900 story and while we care about information fratricide and 366 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:17,500 getting our narrative consistent and correct, they do not all of 367 00:21:17,508 --> 00:21:19,800 their separate units operate independently. 368 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,200 And if they disprove, even each other's stories, they don't care 369 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,400 about that because their goal is not to get the target audience 370 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,200 to believe. What they're saying, their goal 371 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,800 is to so enough, confusion and uncertainty in the decision 372 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,800 space that people go. Well, I don't know if that's 373 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,500 true or not. So I'm not going to do anything 374 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:45,400 about it. I'm going to sit and wait and as 375 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,500 we sit and wait Russia then accomplishes a fait accompli. 376 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,100 And it's too late eventually. Okay, so that's that's how they 377 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:57,200 operate Jack. You want to give a more specific 378 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,900 example of what we could do to counter Russian information 379 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:05,100 Warfare and then I'll give a couple of specific capabilities 380 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,700 that the CIA would bring to your current sure. 381 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,800 Sure, no problem. Hey, what you're talking about 382 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:15,000 is the fear and uncertainty. There's a concept called Fudd Fu 383 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,200 D and that means fear, uncertainty and doubt. 384 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,900 And that is a counter. That's a propaganda and 385 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:25,200 counter-propaganda practice that's been codified. 386 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,600 So you are absolutely on on the money and it's and it comes from 387 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,200 politics. Actually, the root is from one 388 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,300 political party or another filling the information space 389 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:39,600 with a lot. Out of Doubt around a bill that 390 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,300 they don't want to get enough votes. 391 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:44,400 And what that does is it creates hesitation in the voting 392 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,000 audience. It reduces the amount of support 393 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,200 and producing, you just get this, terrible vote response and 394 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,900 you don't get your vote passed because it was, you know, killed 395 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:56,600 by Fu D. Now, for Ukraine, I've got a 396 00:22:56,608 --> 00:23:00,300 more theoretical example. It's more applied and this is 397 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,600 what I would do. I would have T.I a based out of 398 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,300 Poland and have civil Affairs. Tactical PA psyop, go To you 399 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:12,800 created work with the locals to expose Russian actions that go 400 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,900 against their propaganda and would also shift their 401 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,700 population of support base. For example, having them go in 402 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:25,700 and go to the Russian soldier, grave sites, and holding sites 403 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,100 and identify the bodies. Go through the work of getting 404 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,500 the photo, and the identification and the DNA. 405 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,500 And then using cyber, and space Ops to Signal those next, Akins 406 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:37,700 and provide them the information. 407 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:42,100 Ation so that they can go and prove that their soldiers son 408 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,600 and daughter. We're in the fight and have been 409 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,700 killed despite Russia line about and saying that there's only 410 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:52,700 been 100 people dead. And what that does is it exposes 411 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:56,000 the propaganda and forces the Russian Administration to answer 412 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,500 to it and provide the truth. And by doing that, by leveraging 413 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:04,900 against their own propaganda, with tangible, proof it creates 414 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,600 frustration and resistance in the support base. 415 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:12,900 Makes it harder for them to have widespread support in the base. 416 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:17,100 It starts to slow down, you know, production and finance 417 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:20,100 because people know that their sons and daughters are being 418 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:23,000 slipped off to get killed and they're not being told about it. 419 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,800 Additionally, we could set up scenarios where we could capture 420 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,900 video of Russian selling equipment or Starving in the 421 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,500 field because their Commander spent the money right now. 422 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:39,300 Russian attitudes are mixed by showing how the country and 423 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,000 administration is not supporting the troops by line to the 424 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,100 public. It would shift that unified 425 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:49,800 attitude in country and every time Putin tries to avoid a 426 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,800 heart issue. We would put it out to the 427 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,900 public with proof so that you would have to answer to his 428 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,500 base, which would include the police, and security forces, and 429 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,400 the political body that surround him. 430 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,700 And that's how you use the ti in a persistent effort, to 431 00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:11,600 undermine your adversary. And push the Coalition cause 432 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:13,300 Frank you got anything. Yeah. 433 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:16,100 Thanks for that specific. Applied example to make a real 434 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:21,300 for the listeners, I'll give seven very brief lines of effort 435 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:24,600 that the Gia would also execute jointly with what Jack 436 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,300 described. And the first one is very, very 437 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:30,100 important. The in the experiment we found 438 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:34,700 that the ti e significantly increased lethality of kinetic, 439 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,400 Munitions and many folks, In combat arms, may be surprised to 440 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,800 hear that because traditionally information work, there is 441 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:48,400 construed with less than lethal or non-lethal effects, but it 442 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,900 actually has a very significantly but component to 443 00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:55,800 it because what we're finding is these new high generation 444 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,200 platforms, that our adversaries are our building and Land Air 445 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,200 and sea. Have a lot of protective 446 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,200 capability or are hard to find in Target and are difficult to, 447 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,900 to strike with one. Or even a redundant set of 448 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,200 Munitions. But if you add, in the 449 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,400 continuous multi, spectral shaping operations, from the ti 450 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,200 e, against these high value, High platform targets, the 451 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000 kinetic kill rates go through the roof. 452 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:31,600 So something that you, you might get lucky to hit and Achieve 453 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,200 either. A total kill or Mobility kill on 454 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,300 with conventional kinetic, Munitions and conventional 455 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:40,900 doctor. Aaron when it's t.i. enhanced, 456 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,800 you're getting a kill almost every time. 457 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,000 So that's one thing significantly increase the load 458 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,100 Valatie of all strikes and Munitions that that would be 459 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,700 occurring in the battle space. Another thing model the effects 460 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:56,200 of enemy information attacks for the longest time when we were 461 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,100 doing, say the wars in the last 20 years. 462 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,400 When the enemy would do something we'd get a bunch of 463 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,200 subject matter experts together and we'd ask the question. 464 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,600 Hey do we need to counter that We just let it die and we suck 465 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,100 up this bandwidth with this panel of sneeze and it would 466 00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,400 take time to do that and then we would just based upon our 467 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,400 opinion. Decide what action if any we 468 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,900 would take now at the speed of modern warfare that's not going 469 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:26,600 to be satisfactory anymore and we don't need to do that. 470 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:31,900 We have capabilities now with enhanced by Ai and other systems 471 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,200 that allow us to actually model these information attacks and it 472 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,700 quantitatively In fashion using scientific principles one 473 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:44,100 technology that does. This is pulse by 26 474 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,100 Technologies. It's an excellent product and it 475 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:51,100 allows you to very quickly. Determine if a message, Amy, my 476 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:55,900 memo plaques on narrative is gaining external brokerage and 477 00:27:55,900 --> 00:28:01,200 growing or whether it is simply a recirculating insignificant 478 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,100 subgroups that we do not need to to potentially waste Resources 479 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,400 with an intervention. Type of modeling is something we 480 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,000 should be doing for every single information attack. 481 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,400 So that we properly utilize are very precious resources to only 482 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,000 counter those which actually matter and the ti a is equipped 483 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,900 to be able to do that. Another thing we need to talk 484 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,000 about is, is competition. Most of this Warfare is 485 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,600 competition. We've heard about say China 486 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,500 winning without fighting. That is absolutely their 487 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,500 strategy and if you take a look at how Oh, they've locked up 488 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,300 Africa. For instance, it is becoming a 489 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:46,500 successful strategy, phase 3 and major combat dominate operations 490 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,700 become irrelevant if we lose in competition and our conventional 491 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,700 military force. For a variety of reason is not 492 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:57,200 currently structured. In pastured to achieve the 493 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,500 majority of its effects and competition as a persistent 494 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,200 forward formation with significant standing and 495 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200 continuous influence, capabilities, native to the 496 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,700 aors, in which they operate. The ti e will do a tremendous 497 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:14,800 amount in this hypothetical situation of Ukraine both before 498 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:19,800 and after dominate operations, hopefully preventing Warfare all 499 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,300 together which would be a gigantic return on investment. 500 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,600 It will provide a significant deception operations. 501 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,500 Deception is critical at this age of Modern Warfare. 502 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:32,000 A Target. That can be detected. 503 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,100 Can be destroyed Munitions, or small and powerful and it's 504 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,400 through things like deception. Either increasing ambiguity or 505 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,800 reducing ambiguity, on the battlefield that we keep our 506 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,600 assets alive. Gia has significant capabilities 507 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,800 to do this at all levels gain and maintain the initiative and 508 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,700 the operational information environment. 509 00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:55,900 This is where an enemy like Russia has traditionally 510 00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:00,000 dominated the space in an exercise that we do either 511 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,700 service level or joint. Maybe we'll have a dozen 512 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,700 information, injects per hour we have to deal with. 513 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:11,100 In the real world, Russia will Dumping thousands per hour and 514 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,500 our traditional formations will not be able to keep up with 515 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:14,700 that. We will quickly lose the 516 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,600 initiative. The ti a while. 517 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,500 So flood the oie similar to what Russia is doing but instead of 518 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:24,800 disambiguated Fudd with positive truth and messaging which was 519 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,900 going to bolster our allies and help us use the moral High 520 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:29,700 ground. It's very important. 521 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,800 The moral High Ground may not matter in an individual battle 522 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,400 or engagement but if you want strategic success which has been 523 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,400 elusive, we've When you know winning every battle and losing 524 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,700 every war since World War Two, we need to seize and own that 525 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,600 moral High Ground at the end of the day to achieve US policy 526 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,300 objectives. And finally the Gia has an 527 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:53,600 unprecedented ability to get inside the observe Orient decide 528 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,300 after food of loop as John Boyne coined it of the enemy. 529 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,800 It will allow us to isolate them disrupt, their combined arms, 530 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,900 formations to the extent. They use them paralyzed, their 531 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,700 decision-making harm. The Now, and reduce their 532 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:11,900 freedom of movement. So, those are some of the just 533 00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:15,300 examples of the types of things John that the ti a would do. 534 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,900 If this was a native fight in the arena in Ukraine over 535 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:19,900 gentlemen. Thank you so much. 536 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800 I think that's very helpful for listeners to apply it to a 537 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:24,900 place. That's well conflict that's 538 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,900 going on right now. I want to go back though because 539 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:31,900 I think I didn't get to give you guys a chance to respond to what 540 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:36,000 my thought was with that t.i. is this amalgamation of existing 541 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000 capabilities? Personnel that are across the 542 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,500 ircs, the information related capabilities and whether this 543 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:46,100 already exists. And so, I know you've come up 544 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,000 with this approach and pitching the TA. 545 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,300 But is it true? That this is essentially a 546 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:56,100 grouping of existing capabilities in a new formation 547 00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:00,200 at different echelons? And does it already exists and 548 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400 if not, why not? So, what you're asking is, did 549 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,900 we just take the salad re toss and add some new dressing on 550 00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:07,600 top? Yes. 551 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,200 Right. Yes. 552 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,300 And no. I see it as an evolution in 553 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,700 conflict and warfare design. We're taking existing 554 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,300 capabilities. Yes, but we're building a for 555 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:22,500 mission that fits the current fight. 556 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,300 And that's, that's what the hang-up is. 557 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:29,400 Like I had said earlier, all of the silos where all of these 558 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,500 different elements were existing and thriving in their own 559 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:35,100 singular World. We're not creating the effect 560 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:39,600 that we need in. We're fair to actually teach 561 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800 actually win. And so this is an attempt to 562 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,000 combine. Those Brian mentioned 563 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,100 competition in my work. I see competition as Conflict by 564 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:53,300 other means than war and this includes extensive influence and 565 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:58,300 hybrid operations, which is a core 2T i-a and civil Affairs 566 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,500 operations. So, to do this, we're taking 567 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,500 existing capabilities and building a formation. 568 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,500 That fits the current fight. Brian. 569 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,700 You got any thoughts? Yes, a very good question, John, 570 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,800 just for the audience, three specific things which are 571 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,100 distinctly unique to the T iae. The first is persistent forward 572 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,400 presence with many of these information capabilities, 573 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,600 traditionally, in the reserve. Getting the mobilize, getting 574 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000 them on a toss orders, getting them to where they can make a 575 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,900 difference before. It's too late has been very 576 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,000 difficult, you know, we've had attempts to do this with task 577 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,500 Force's Tiana, which is now been folded. 578 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,100 In 20 pick but we have not cracked the code on that and if 579 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,300 you're not in the game, you cannot win the game. 580 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:48,500 So by being persistent forward in the actual operating 581 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,600 environment, these folks are going to get unprecedent 582 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,500 expertise in the areas in which they operate, and they can 583 00:33:55,500 --> 00:34:00,900 immediately and continuously respond 24/7 in the ti e, so 584 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:04,900 persistent for presence is one. The second point is that they 585 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:08,100 have these powerful standing authorities all the Up to 586 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,300 National Technical capabilities. No. 587 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,500 Existing formation has that right now and every IRC has 588 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,400 separate authorities and often separate approval processes, 589 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,600 that ends with the DIA they have it from the minute they're 590 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,900 consummated. And they take it with them 591 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,400 wherever they go, both forward and rear. 592 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,000 And the third is getting back to your Voltron analogy John which 593 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000 is the Gestalt principle, right? And the Gestalt principle is 594 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,000 that the whole is greater Greater than the sum of the 595 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,300 individual parts and the analogy. 596 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:44,500 I like to use here is of a football team, okay? 597 00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:47,300 Right now, the way we've used information related 598 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:51,800 capabilities, completely siloed, training planning executing 599 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:56,300 oftentimes independently with a little bit of overlap in this 600 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,700 scenario. Imagine every single player on a 601 00:34:58,707 --> 00:35:02,000 football team has to try and make a touchdown because he 602 00:35:02,008 --> 00:35:05,200 doesn't know if anyone else has a plan to make a touchdown or 603 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,200 how they're going to get it and they don't know how they're 604 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,500 going to. This one another. 605 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:12,300 So every one of them has the plan to pick up the football and 606 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,400 go all the way down to the end zone. 607 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,800 You can imagine how inefficient that would be in a real football 608 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,100 game. Okay, but by using Gestalt 609 00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,100 principle, by putting them together, eating living 610 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:27,100 training, working planning rehearsing executing together on 611 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:30,200 the actual football field, which the Gia does. 612 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,900 Now they work as a team because we know at the end of the day to 613 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,200 win a football game, only one person on that team has to 614 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,200 score. Or but everyone else has a 615 00:35:39,207 --> 00:35:43,600 critical role help them score. That is the Synergy and 616 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,700 capability you gained through the Gestalt principle by putting 617 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,700 these together in a persistent forward formation. 618 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,900 Is that answer the question John it does. 619 00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:55,300 And that analogy I think it's very helpful for people to 620 00:35:55,308 --> 00:35:59,100 understand that in this new structure you would clearly have 621 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,800 a chain of command. 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