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Few weeks or months ago they 
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jumped on a plane not knowing 
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take them and they were kind of 
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of and their families were taken
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We're the things that we were 
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and instability factors. 
We had some filters built into 

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this so that we could see week 
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whatever time Horizon we thought
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clothing issues are on the rise 
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medical care, it site. 
And then we could dive in to the

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qualitative data behind that 
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great, right? 
It tells you what direction to 

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look qualitative data, It really
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and helps you understand the 
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And, you know, for example, they
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example, this is not something 
that happened, Sergeant Shaffer,

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I'll jump in and take a crack at
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Sure, major Johnson, would you 
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Yeah, one of the very first, big
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reasonably apprehension in the 
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knowing where they were going 
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The policy had been to provide 
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Once it was confirmed final 
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the guests are our departing. 
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the ticketing is connecting up 
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support agencies across the 
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Resettled that was just a 
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problem for, for our Department 
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manage and and it would change a
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If a family is initially Needed 
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Paul Minnesota, six weeks from 
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And what we realized was that 
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the guests was where we going 
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leadership for oaw across the 
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that it's going to be a steam 
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folks, giving them something. 
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information that could change is
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waiting and waiting and waiting 
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So the task force leadership 
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approved the change and so we 
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camp-wide, you know thousands of
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meeting with resettlement 
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their tentative placement 
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So they can start looking at 
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about Albuquerque, New Mexico or
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You know, wherever they were 
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It was remarkable the next week 
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was going to happen to them, 
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This is their primary concern 
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was close to it, doing the Civil
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lead. 
Worship on a change to how we 

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were doing our work and then 
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change into the data. 
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think was an indicator to us 
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sure that you build these 
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collect both types of data, 
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So that you can really make sure
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Solutions in an appropriate way.
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confidence that you're solving 
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staff sergeant Shaffer, another 
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together this tool for us. 
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pieces was to make it not just a
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very rudimentary case management
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We were not social workers 
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professionals are not social 
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these folks and we're talking to
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Talking to the same families day
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time and what ended up happening
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those conversations? 
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context and picture of the 
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for the Mandarin, for the 
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but we're also just running into
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uncomfortable bringing up 
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with the services that we had 
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is sort of a backstop. 
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point for the the leadership to 
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identify specific problems. 
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into the the Civil Information. 
Management tool not just a 

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method to capture Trends over 
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having a problem. 
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colleagues across the task force
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We are not social workers. 
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we found was incidental to our 
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for the task force. 
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personal individual one-off 
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necessary. 
Much just ethically as anything 

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else to make sure that that need
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communicated to the proper 
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to leverage the purpose of our 
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purpose of our civil information
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leadership a picture of the 
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Environment. 
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creativity in building out the 
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that quantitative level of 
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them up for Action in a way that
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safety net sometimes for the 
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the task force, and but it wound
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relationships with the guests, 
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contributing to the work that we
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At the end of the day, if we see
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we we can help them get 
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can fix it for them very easily.
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Schaefer's work, we were able to
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Absolutely that's fascinating 
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add one thing to that? 
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talking about just now with 
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One thing that was really 
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friction and burden on the teams
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sure. 
To set this system up in a way 

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where the data is and what is a 
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The reporters are submitting the
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And a lot of the analysis is 
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pushing reports out to the team 
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of the issues that they had that
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And I think that the concept of 
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information by defaulting, to 
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updated. 
It was one less thing that the 

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team leaders have to juggle. 
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doing at managing their teams 
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but it also reduced the, the 
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because they knew that every 
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that would help them very 
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action in their communities. 
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So, thinking about the amount of
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putting into to make sure that 
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good transition from the camps 
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success in there, they were 
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outcome was beneficial to them 
steps on Schaefer was lost. 

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You have on performance 
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what major Johnson just said, 
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resettlement concerns and 
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after that event. 
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of the other instability factors
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data. 
They were trailing downward as 

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well, not as sharply as that, 
and it was Because none of them 

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seemed related. 
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ability to see data and near 
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about two to three days, is able
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Ask people is that we're saying,
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of these issues. 
What why is everything so much 

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better suddenly? 
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not only had we relieve these 
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concerns over when they were 
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anxiety, was causing them to see
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everywhere else. 
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So to speak everything else 
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Just seemed a little bit better 
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effective if not just in 
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But we're leaving a multitude of
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the way that the system was 
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envisioned this pretty easily 
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so much other data. 
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individual level. 
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was taking teams to follow up on
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identifying the case management 
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That major Johnson mentioned. 
There were a lot of ways that we

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were able to very quickly, see 
what kind of performance are we 

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getting out of our teams and 
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Effectiveness, right? 
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interventions were In the 
community talks about the trend 

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line earlier and how we were 
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time that was really helpful but
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system we were collecting 
qualitative data in those 

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reports on what the outcome was.
And so that's not nearly as 

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automated. 
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But we were able to see a lot of
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guess. 
Received that intervention or 

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solution and they kind of Praise
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went from. 
We were kind of an item of 

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curiosity at first, right? 
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McCoy and after several weeks, I
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data about. 
We're so glad that the Marines 

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are here. 
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Army wasn't doing a great job. 
It's just, you know, different 

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uniform or easy for them to call
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Seeing these things show up in 
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reinforce the idea that Our 
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the motions and doing what they 
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taking a lot of initiative and 
putting a lot of thought into 

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how they can help improve the 
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If we can pause there for a 
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tools that you were employing, 
it sounds like you found a way 

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to distill massive amounts of 
data into usable information to 

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really Drive decision-making. 
What from those tools you think 

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is useful for other operations 
soon. 

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The tool that we were using to 
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application through picks the 
protected, information exchange.

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Some Of Affairs professionals 
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The specific app is called Mage,
mobile awareness, geoint 

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environment, it is DoD approved,
and you only have to have a dot 

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gov email to get access to it, 
which makes it great for working

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across the interagency 
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I've worked with army civil 
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Before they've used it, I know 
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professionals that have used it.
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in an environment where you're 
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can't figure out how to use it. 
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taking the data out of my age, I
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being able to build a customized
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Owen and then Microsoft Excel. 
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greens that were trying to gauge
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influence, but also data on how 
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effectiveness of their 
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pivot tables and filters to take
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In the you're bringing up things
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an otherwise had experience 
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preparing you to be able to use 
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the of the Civil information 
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reaction, I think it would be 
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experience of past guests of the
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See a podcast major, Rob 
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31st meu on, its Patrol out in 
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We're you're getting off the 
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working with civilian community 
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another Marine comes back and 
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important having some common 
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over time and over space. 
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boat in the Philippines and 
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Society leadership. 
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similar project to what we did, 
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folks, you know, identifying 
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with data, it may be years old. 
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brand shit us and opaque Ahmed 
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Be on the lookout for, if I'm a 
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professional deploying on an 
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If I want to replicate the kind 
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McCoy, it's going to really be 
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see the work that was done by 
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before me, sometimes, months, or
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documentary and recording the 
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information environment at the 
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set the guy who comes after me. 
Up for Success months or years 

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down the road. 
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Well, every good Marine Corps. 
Conversation must end with an 

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opportunity for safe around. 
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what are some of the personal 
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take from this mobilization? 
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Afghanistan and some chick 
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2013 and the I think that just 
the ability to be able to help 

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you know this many Any Afghan 
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Afghanistan? 
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earlier. 
It really was kind of a full 

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circle moment, for me to be able
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that we're getting them to 
safety and that were putting 

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measures in place to help set 
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start their new lives in 
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employment supports that are his
everyone knew the Lord. 

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Every subtle but really worried 
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and so, you know, put together a
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with the Wi-Fi connection and 
we'd sit down with people 

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one-on-one several hours a day 
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Resumes, teach them, how do you 
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anywhere else on the internet? 
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Quantico to go to Fort McCoy, I 
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dozen or so people had job 
offers accepted before they were

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actually Be resettled to their 
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we were only able to put these 
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terms of how long it would have 
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Once they got resettled, that 
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that always, always remember. 
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of closure on a mission being 
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That a lot of your brothers and 
sisters and arms never really 

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got to see personally. 
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Thank you. 
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home. 
First of all, just to say what a

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privilege and an honor it was to
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task, force McCoy, civilian DOD.
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the good work of the, the 
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I was working with staff 
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course. 
But think it ended up being more

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than 30 soldiers, Marines, 
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Detachment - reinforced, it 

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would have been ugly on the org 
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together and really Rose to the 
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the of the listeners is really 
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relationship with Afghanistan. 
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And when the 82nd Airborne 
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a C-17 and and flew out of Kabul
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There were something like eighty
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evacuees who wound up here in 
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the big challenge. 
How do we keep the faith with 

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these people? 
How do we help these folks out? 

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Who, who many of them? 
Years of their life. 

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Standing alongside our brothers 
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Putting themselves In Harm's Way
to achieve the goals that we're 

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working towards there in 20 
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Again, above and beyond, just 
keeping faith with, with our 

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Afghan guests. 
I felt and I think that we as a 

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team felt that we had a duty to 
honor the work that thousands of

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women and men had done in 
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Thousands of Americans had done 
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particular way they felt it was 
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Honor the sacrifice of the 
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soldier who died at it, a be 
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Most directly that sacrifice was
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a new life in America. 
It was terrifically motivating 

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and humbling to have that 
Heritage in mind is we were 

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taking the Baton from our 
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the work of the evacuation. 
We honor the work that was done 

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by those who went before us. 
Talk about standing on the 

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shoulders of giants. 
We felt that in a Way, and I am 

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really, really proud to say 
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I think that the work that we 
did was, was good Beyond any 

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measures of performance or 
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I think about, you know, a 
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fourth, fifth, and sixth grade 
girls who were answering the 

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question to practice their 
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What do you want to be when you 
grow up and they were right 

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there with, you know, I want to 
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airline pilot. 
One of them said, I want to be a

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US Army soldier, which broke my 
Marine Corps hard a little bit 

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but my patriotic heart was was 
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that in here that in gave me a 
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And it makes me excited to think
of what where these these people

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are going to go. 
And in the rest of their lives 

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is American. 
That's really what I want to 

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land on is just the sense of 
gratitude and the pride that I 

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have in the work that we did to 
help these people and to and to 

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write our our little footnote in
the in the book. 

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So thank you very much for 
chance to talk with you rob. 

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We're really, really thankful 
for this opportunity. 

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Absolutely. 
Well you made your nation proud 

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and you did right by the Marine 
Corps and we really appreciate 

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you joining us Semper. 
Fidelis Thanks for listening. 

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notes. 
And now most importantly to 

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those, currently out in the 
field, working with a partner 

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Nations, people or leadership to
forward us relations. 

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Thank you all for what you're 
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