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Welcome back to the Grace Church
Members podcast. 

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I'm Whitney Maines and it is 
finally summer for me. 

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Summer is pretty synonymous with
reading, so both my parents are 

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teachers and I remember going to
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every summer growing up to get 
as many books as they would let 

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me check out. 
I made my way through The 

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Chronicles of Narnia, Artemis 
Fowl, Percy Jackson, and Harry 

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Potter like in the car on the 
way to the beach, and somehow 

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still managed not to get 
carsick. 

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And like most of us, I wish that
I still read like I did in 3rd 

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grade. 
But every summer you'll still 

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find me with a Jane Austen 
classic, Magatha Christie 

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mystery, or a sci-fi saga like 
my current summer read, Dune. 

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So, in the nostalgic spirit of 
Scholastic Book Fairs and 

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Library Reading Contest, we 
wanted to give you a few 

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recommendations from our staff 
to round out your summer reading

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list. 
In our last podcast, Episode 37,

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we talked with Mike Chibero 
about how to be lifelong 

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learners, which often starts 
with being good readers. 

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We did our best to compile a 
wide variety of genres and 

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topics in this list, so I 
encourage you to pick a book 

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that piques your curiosity, or 
even one that you can read with 

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your whole family. 
We have some great Christian 

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reads to help you be intentional
with your spiritual formation 

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this summer, and we have a few 
other genres represented to 

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explore how God reveals Himself 
through all of His creation. 

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And I'm excited for you to hear 
how our staff has gleaned 

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biblical themes from secular 
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It is amazing how reading some 
fiction can stretch our 

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imaginations in new ways that 
then allows us to read Scripture

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with a better imagination too. 
Obviously, we're not endorsing 

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everything from some of these 
secular choices, so do your own 

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research to discern the best 
options for you. 

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And now, dear readers, I hope 
you enjoy these recommendations 

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and are inspired by CS Lewis 
himself to find a cup of tea and

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a book that suits you well this 
summer. 

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My name is Robert Lee Story, and
I work at our Pelham campus as 

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our students director. 
So I lead our student ministry 

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here over at this campus, and 
I'm excited to share with you 

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guys a book that I just recently
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about. 
It's called Mary Called 

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Magdalene by Margaret George, 
and I actually picked up this 

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book because I had read another 
of Margaret's books recently, 

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historical fiction on the Roman 
Emperor Nero, and was just 

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curious to keep reading her 
stuff because I liked her style 

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a lot. 
And Mary Magdalene is a 

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character that I, if I'm honest,
didn't know much about. 

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I'm just curious to learn a 
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And the book was fascinating, 
far surpassed all my 

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expectations. 
And it's kind of broken up into 

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three parts, tracing you through
the entire life story of Mary. 

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So the first part starts with 
her as a child and her 

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fascination with Pagan idols and
how that actually leads to her 

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possession by multiple different
demons. 

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And then about 1/3 into the book
she actually meets Jesus and 

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Jesus casts out these demons. 
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to follow him. 
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book, the smallest section 
actually describes her as being 

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a significant figure in the 
early church and what building 

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God's Kingdom, building God's 
church actually looks like after

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Jesus death and resurrection. 
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Seriously, I cannot recommend it
highly enough because it really 

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puts meat and flesh on the bones
of some of these characters we 

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read about in the Bible. 
And it just captures our 

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imagination for what life in the
Bible was actually like for 

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these people. 
That his followers were not just

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these imaginary figures, but 
they were real people with 

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emotion, with personality, 
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And one of my favorite parts of 
the book, one of the parts that 

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captivated me most was after 
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They just seeing all of them be 
so captured with emotion and 

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grief because for you and I, 
people who grew up in the 

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church, we go through Good 
Friday knowing that Sunday is 

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coming. 
But for all of those people, 

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they thought that was it. 
They thought, oh, this guy that 

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we thought was the Messiah. 
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Like he wasn't actually who he 
said he was in this big movement

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that we were getting caught up 
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Well, it's over. 
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overwhelmed with grief and all 
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And then a few chapters later, 
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they're like, wait, no, this 
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He really is God. 
He really is worth following. 

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Like, it was fascinating. 
And I'd never thought about that

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before that for his followers, 
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Like, that's probably close to 
what those three days were like.

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Like it actually was a scary, 
difficult time and a time of 

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grief. 
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recommend it highly enough. 
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just imagine better what life 
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probably like. 
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My name is Sarah Bailey and I am
our staff writer and editor. 

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I also help give our other many 
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content advice as we develop 
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My background is in teaching. 
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at North Greenville for years 
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I love making sense of them and 
words matter how we use the 

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matters. 
So this is an exciting podcast 

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for me. 
The first book that I wanted to 

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talk about today is called 1 
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And this book was recommended to
me by a fellow English teacher, 

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a Co worker who had studied 
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intensely. 
And I have come to love Ron Rash

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as one of my favorite local 
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He grew up in Boiling Springs 
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He went to Clemson and he now 
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So this is a contemporary author
whose stories are all set in the

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foothills of South Carolina, 
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So some really cool things about
One Foot in Eden is the backdrop

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of this story. 
It is set in the 70s, is in the 

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foothills of South Carolina 
right before Joe Cassie Valley 

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was filled by Duke Power in 
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So the state of South Carolina 
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purchase that land to create 
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And so this story showcases the 
voices, the stories of those who

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lived there. 
It is told in the Southern 

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Gothic tradition, which is a 
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It is a murder mystery, but 
there are some really 

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interesting parallels. 
We see themes of barrenness 

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versus fruitfulness. 
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interesting parallels to the 
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their quest to have a child and 
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And we also see alongside that 
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and how in their quest for 
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fruitfulness on their own terms,
they are met with barrenness and

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some really dark consequences. 
So it is told through different 

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voices. 
It's one of those multi 

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perspective narratives which as 
a reader gives you a really 

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interesting viewpoint. 
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this story is just the rich 
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They use words like reckon and 
glimpsin and words that we just 

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don't use anymore and it's just 
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So if you are interested in 
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interested in the culture of 
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really where we are in the 60s 
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great read. 
I will give a disclaimer that it

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is a thoroughly secular book. 
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So use your discernment and what
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And I will, just to give you a 
feel for the language, I'll read

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a quote that is, This book has a
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which is one of the reasons I 
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Just the local color. 
So here's a quote from the book.

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When the deep summer comes and 
the dog star raises with the 

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morning sun, the land can scab 
up and a man watches spring crop

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wrinkle brown like something on 
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It's the season. 
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Their eyeballs coat over like 
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A rattlesnake allows no warning,
and a milk snake that would have

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cut the dust to the tall grass 
in June quiles up and strikes at

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anything that steps its way. 
It's a time when foxes and dogs 

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go mad. 
They'll come shackling towards 

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you, their lips snarly and chins
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You'll raise your gun and 
they'll come on like they just 

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want to get it done with. 
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for that local color. 
It's such a different time in a 

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different place than our current
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And there's just something 
beautiful about stepping outside

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yourself. 
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my English teacher hat, we can 
grow so much in our 

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understanding of humanity, 
growing our empathy, growing our

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understanding of how the world 
works by reading stories that 

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take us outside ourselves. 
So we're going to take a hard 

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turn. 
The other book that I wanted to 

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talk about today is by Beth 
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Many of you are familiar with 
her Bible studies for women, so 

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she released her memoir last 
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Life. 
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had released her biography, I 
knew I had to read it because I 

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had just benefited from many of 
her studies, especially in my 

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early journey of faith. 
And when you're reading this 

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book, it just feels like you are
sitting on the porch with Beth 

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with a glass of iced tea, and 
she is just inviting you to hear

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how God changed her through 
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And she's a master to 
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She will make you laugh. 
She will make you cry. 

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I do highly recommend the audio 
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herself and there's just no 
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story. 
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book is that she wrestles 
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growing up and then working in a
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Her relationship with the local 
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And many of us who grew up in 
church also have wounds because 

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the church is made-up of broken 
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It's made-up of humans, but 
Moore is able to balance that 

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tension with just boundless 
empathy for the brokenness of 

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others. 
She's able to step outside 

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herself, to be curious, to ask 
questions, and to be open about 

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why, why those things have come 
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She is a very public figure, a 
very public voice, but there's 

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so much about her personal life 
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So I recommend finding that 
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And you know, maybe you're 
traveling this summer. 

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And like I said, you'll laugh, 
you will cry. 

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And it is just a really sweet 
testament to God's faithfulness 

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and his grace. 
So my name is Daniel Black. 

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I serve as the campus pastor at 
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want to tell all of you about a 
book that I've read that I think

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whether you care about money or 
not, you should read because it 

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is not a big book. 
It is also a very different book

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because in my opinion it is the 
most biblical book from a non 

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Christian writer. 
It is called Die with Zero by a 

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man named Bill Perkins who was a
an investor from the energy 

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sector, made a ton of money and 
moved to Hollywood, became a big

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deal. 
I actually never heard of him, 

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but I heard about the book from 
a podcast that I listened to 

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about Peter Atiya. 
He does a podcast called the 

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drive, does all kind of 
different health things and 

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different sectors of health. 
And he just referenced this book

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as one of the four books that 
his most shaped how he thinks. 

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So I was just curious about it. 
I was, I wonder what he, he 

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would be saying about money. 
And anyway, so as I, as I got 

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into it, it was so fascinating 
because I, I have never read a 

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book which I, I care about 
money. 

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I, I admit that and I'm a saver 
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that is, is very, it brings out 
a curiosity in me. 

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And after reading it, in a lot 
of ways I was very convicted 

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about the way in which I 
overvalue saving just for 

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saving's sake and not being 
strategic about the ways in 

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which my money is being deployed
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Kingdom here and now. 
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of it, is his story, Part of it 
is him studying how people spend

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money over the course of their 
lives. 

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And so one of the things he 
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when they retire, if they've 
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they retire in the 60 to 70 year
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they're still alive and they're 
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money and I have no more energy 
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to hear this perspective and 
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us to actually be generous here 
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people in need. 
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convicted because at the end of 
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this information on an app and 
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on are you on track to die with 
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might die. 
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lot of good conversations in my 
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take a listen or read of this 
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Hi, my name is Jordan Trippa and
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Strategist in our COM department
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moment, Holy New Liturgies for 
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Mcelvey. 
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him to me in this book 
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worker of mine gave to me and 
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it in my personal prayer and 
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certain moments of life. 
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now, but if you're unfamiliar 
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Christian context, liturgy is 
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of ritual of worship. 
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intention, Orient a gathering, 
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devices of metaphor or analogy, 
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in poetry, similar to how the 
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moments of daily life. 
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beauty and simple things and to 
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and see that God is moving even 
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volume one are for the ritual of
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of bills, for the death of a 
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friends, for setting up a 
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for the enjoyment of bonfires, 
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repairs, for the changing of 
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slow loss of memory. 
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everyone. 
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was just beautifully written and
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to these words. 
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both joy and sorrow. 
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Let me neither ignore my pain, 
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isn't, nor coddle and magnify my
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to experience all that remains 
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hope, in the end becomes nothing
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worship of my own woundedness. 
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I am, I'm new to staff. 
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doing discipleship in groups and
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book, the books, I guess I 
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10. 
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children's books, one maybe for 
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for children late in elementary 
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But I love them both personally.
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creator in you and it it's for 
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I read it to my kids now who are
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is just this discrepancy between
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believer and what you do the 
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understand that, that, that God 
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whether you drink, do all to the
glory of God, that there's good 

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in it, there's worship in it 
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are doing has this, this, this 
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piece that I think we as adults 
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in just this very tangible, fun 
children's book that you can 

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read with your kids to talk 
about the idea of why do you 

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like to build build Legos? 
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image of a God who loves to 
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children. 
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to read it. 
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adults too, around that very 
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artist in Christian spheres, CS 
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of Narnia series. 
It's probably one of the lesser 

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known books. 
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little bit from the the large 
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are dropped off into Aslan's 
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they're, they're on a mission. 
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witch. 
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personally, I just think in 
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like Revelation or Daniel. 
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imagination to follow Jesus. 
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challenge in my own life to read
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believers in, in today's age, I,
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check these both, both of these 
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I think there is a reality to a,
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faith. 
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bring those out even even to me.
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this book ends, I would I would 
encourage you to do that. 

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Hi, I'm Natalie Richard and I'm 
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I'm excited to be here and talk 
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enjoyed reading. 
Someone recommended the book 

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about George Mueller's life. 
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Roger Steer, and it's about 
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him a strong vision to have 
orphanages for the many kids 

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that were in the streets during 
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because he had thousands of kids
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meals and a place to sleep, but 
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completely dependent upon the 
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Anything he need, he prayed for 
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was praying, how am I going to 
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morning? 
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came and he could feed the kids.
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just 'cause it convicted me on 
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prompting and guidance? 
Because maybe if I listened and 

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acted on what He guides me, I 
could be also an answered prayer

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for someone else. 
So this example was really good 

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for my life. 
It moved me closer to him and I 

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realized how much more I could 
pray and depend and just enjoy 

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His presence. 
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book. 
I enjoyed it. 

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I hope if you grab it and read 
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I did. 
Hey Grace Church, this is 

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Schofield Foster. 
I serve as our downtown campus 

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pastor and got invited to be a 
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about recommended books. 
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John Mark Comer. 
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and resist the three enemies 
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So for me, this started because 
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church who was going through a 
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sin and repentance and frankly 
what it meant to even believe in

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God at all. 
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I've been meeting with him for 
the better part of a year, and 

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this meeting I expected to be 
just a little bit more of the 

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same, where we weren't making as
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talking and all of a sudden, the

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way this guy sounds feels 
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You could just feel it. 
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experiencing the Holy Spirit for
the first time, or at least in a

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very new and fresh way. 
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different language for what 
what's happening and what it 

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meant for him to believe truth 
and follow Jesus and get free 

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from sin. 
And I just had to say, hey, like

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all the things you're saying. 
Where did you learn that? 

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He said, well, actually, I just 
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John Mark Comer and it's called 
Live No Lies. 

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And frankly, he was a living 
testimony the way that his life 

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had been changed. 
I just had to go read the book. 

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flesh and the devil, if you look
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that as like the unholy Trinity,
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the flesh within us, the world, 
this current of broken people 

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that we're all a part of and how
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And then this real spiritual 
being and these spiritual beings

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and forces that are against God 
and God's people all trying to 

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steal you from God's purposes 
for your life. 

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real they are and how to combat 
them. 

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And one of the images that John 
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that lies are not just glaringly
obvious. 

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Don't think about warfare is in 
the old British warfare where 

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you line up across from one 
another and everybody's shooting

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and sees who they're shooting 
it. 

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He goes, no, it's more like, you
know, World War Two spy 

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espionage where you're sending 
secret codes and trying to 

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depict things and throw off 
people's messages and mess up 

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their understanding of what's 
even real or accurate. 

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That's more the nature of 
spiritual warfare. 

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And so it's a book on spiritual 
warfare. 

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And honestly, I think he's a 
great writer. 

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I've read a couple of his things
recently that I really liked, so

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highly recommend it. 
Hey, I'm Bob Cook. 

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I'm one of the discipleship and 
groups pastors at Pelham, and my

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choice for a summer book 
recommendation is Les Miserables

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by Victor Hugo. 
Obviously you'd want to read the

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unabridged version. 
I don't know why anyone would 

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want to read a shorter version 
and I've been through it twice. 

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I have read the translation by 
Lee Fonstock. 

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In terms of why I chose the 
book, I actually don't recall 

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why I picked the book up in the 
1st place. 

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It was either because I'd seen 
the musical and heard the book 

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was better or, or likely I'd 
already read The Hunchback of 

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Notre Dame and wanted to read 
more by Hugo. 

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And since then he really has 
become one of my favorite 

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authors. 
I've read one of his other books

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in English. 
And then actually his 

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contemporary Alexander Dumas 
also has written a number of 

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great books. 
So I've read some of those. 

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So when it's time to recommend a
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one is my favorite book. 
It's probably my favorite book 

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apart from the Bible. 
And so there's a couple reasons 

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for that. 
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really how Hugo develops the 
characters in his story. 

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He does an amazing job of 
intertwining the lives of the 

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characters throughout the book 
in ways you just can't even 

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anticipate. 
And then his language is is also

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very colorful and it's helpful. 
But really, with respect to 

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characters, really the most 
significant is how he lays out 

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the life. 
The main character, Jean 

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Valjean, who you meet at the 
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who's been put in a prison camp 
for stealing a loaf of bread, 

451
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,640
trying to feed the starving 
children of his sister. 

452
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,800
And so after he's released from 
19 years in prison, the kindness

453
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,600
of one priest puts Jean on a 
path of redemption that sees him

454
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,840
go to extraordinary lengths to 
care for the others in his life,

455
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,960
a particularly a great cost. 
He has no children of his own, 

456
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,640
and yet he cares for the child 
of one of his employees. 

457
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,280
And it is just amazing how Hugo 
develops those characters. 

458
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,800
But then really the other reason
not to love the book is really 

459
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,920
the historical context that it's
wrapped up. 

460
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,840
And I enjoy French history. 
I love the art and architecture 

461
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320
that it produced, places like 
Versailles and St. 

462
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:15,240
Chappelle and the Louvre. 
You think of Rodin and Monet and

463
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Renoir and the art that they 
created, and so that is all 

464
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,760
fascinating to me. 
And so this book is set in the 

465
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,720
chaos that surrounded the French
Revolution. 

466
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,920
In fact, the title in English 
translates to the Wretches, and 

467
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,560
you get to see just how 
difficult life was for those in 

468
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600
the late 18th and 19th centuries
in France. 

469
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,040
And yet you have the context of 
places like Versailles that are 

470
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,920
opulent and really beyond 
imagination even for today. 

471
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,440
And so even through that, Hugo 
spends 100 pages talking about a

472
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Napoleon's defeat at the better 
of Waterloo. 

473
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,360
And so all that, all the 
characters and the history just 

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00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,680
make it a fascinating, a 
fascinating read. 

475
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,360
And so I would say it is well 
worth the time. 

476
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,160
The copy I have in my hand is 
14163 pages, but it is one of 

477
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,400
those classics that you just 
have to read. 

478
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,280
I'm Sarah Lacourse. 
I work in the communications 

479
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,960
department. 
I am a project manager, but I 

480
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,280
love to read and the book that I
picked as a potential summer 

481
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,360
read for anybody who's 
interested is Watership Down. 

482
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,960
And it is like a it's a classic 
of adventure, folklore, 

483
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,840
companionship, but it features 
rabbits. 

484
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,720
So I think of The Hobbit, it's 
kind of in the same literary 

485
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,120
vein. 
You have two writers who were 

486
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,120
inspired by stories that they 
told their children when they 

487
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,240
were kids and developed into a 
novel that's great for kids or 

488
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,240
great for adults. 
So Watership Down is an 

489
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:04,400
adventure story starts with this
Warren of rabbits that it, it's 

490
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,080
The Maine rabbit, Hazel and his 
brother Fiver and fiber it kind 

491
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
of prophetic and he sees doom 
coming. 

492
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600
And it turns out that these 
humans come in and like ruin the

493
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Warren because they're making 
way for a new property. 

494
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,680
And so it sends this group of 
rabbits on a journey to find 

495
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,560
their new home. 
And they have to like figure out

496
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,520
when it's time to stop. 
Like they, they come across 

497
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840
another Warren, but there's 
weird stuff going on there and 

498
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200
they have to decide if they're 
just going to integrate into the

499
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,840
new Warren or go on. 
So it's their journey to find 

500
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,040
their new home. 
And that's, that's the plot. 

501
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
I first heard about it in 
college, I think. 

502
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,760
And it actually took me a couple
reads, like a couple starts to 

503
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,400
get into it. 
I think it was about three 

504
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040
times. 
I kind of started because like 

505
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,080
similar to Tolkien, he has his 
own language for the rabbits. 

506
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,720
And that like kind of tripped me
up a little bit. 

507
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,720
But once I got into it, like 
it's my favorite book I read 

508
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800
every year. 
This will be my sixth time 

509
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,000
reading it this year. 
So it's just a really magical 

510
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,520
story and I think it will, some 
people will probably hear the 

511
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,520
name get turned off 'cause there
was a really bad animated 

512
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,400
rendition in the 70s, which I 
have never seen, but I've seen 

513
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
like screenshots and it is truly
horrific. 

514
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,640
But the book is fantastic. 
And I haven't watched any 

515
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,280
adaptations of the book because 
the the images that are in the 

516
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,760
book, like just live in my head 
and are so dear to me. 

517
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,920
I love all the characters. 
Just the development is great. 

518
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,840
But yeah, it's an adventure 
story. 

519
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,520
Richard Adams is the writer and 
he anthropomorphizes the rabbits

520
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,920
so they they have human 
characteristics, but they're 

521
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,880
still very much rabbits. 
Like they do normal rabbit 

522
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,280
things. 
And one of the things that I 

523
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,320
love about the story is that you
get to see normal, like everyday

524
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,520
activities or objects through 
different lenses. 

525
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,040
So like climbing a hill is very 
different for a human and a 

526
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,760
rabbit. 
Like the horizon line is 

527
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,240
different. 
A cigarette is very different. 

528
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,360
Like coming to a road is very 
different. 

529
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,000
And it's like one of the coolest
images in the book when they 

530
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,480
come to a road for the first 
time and they think it's like a 

531
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
river. 
So it's just a fascinating way 

532
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,120
to see the world. 
But it also has like a lot of 

533
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,720
spiritual components that have 
really resonated with me. 

534
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,800
And every time I read, I feel 
like I see a new one. 

535
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,240
There's like a God who ordains 
everything and isn't in control 

536
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,560
of everything. 
And then there's an adversary. 

537
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,960
There's kind of a kind of the 
Angel of death character. 

538
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,680
There's references to the flood 
and creation and and then you 

539
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,760
have this larger than life like 
mythical rabbit that they all 

540
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,360
reference. 
And he's like, at times he's 

541
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,560
like when like the fall of Adam,
he's Adam. 

542
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,440
And at times he's like David, 
real brave and doing everything 

543
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,960
he can for his people. 
And then you have like self 

544
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,800
sacrificial love of Christ. 
So he kind of embodies all three

545
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,280
of those figures in the Bible 
for me. 

546
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,960
And then the ending is just my 
favorite ending of anything I've

547
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,360
ever read. 
Like it's, it's what I want my 

548
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,280
life to look like when I come to
the end. 

549
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Like it's just this beautiful 
picture and I don't, I don't 

550
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680
want to spoil it, but it's like 
it's, you know, you're sad when 

551
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720
it ends because it's over. 
But it's also like there's 

552
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,480
nothing more needs to be said 
because it's just the perfect 

553
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,040
ending. 
So I highly recommend it. 

554
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
All right, So my name is Richie 
Blanton. 

555
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,600
I'm on our staff in Anderson 
with our discipleship and Groups

556
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,080
team, and then I also work with 
our Central worship staff as 

557
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,840
well. 
I the book I picked for summer 

558
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
reading that I'd recommend to 
you is The Hobbit. 

559
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,720
And I don't, I don't fully 
remember the first thing that 

560
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960
made me pick it up. 
I just, I'm assuming some of my 

561
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,440
friends talked about it. 
And so I read it and for some 

562
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,920
reason for the past few years, 
really since college, I read it 

563
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840
most every summer or some 
portion of it. 

564
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,120
If you don't know the story of 
The Hobbit, it is about a 

565
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:19,440
creature that is a Hobbit who 
has to save the entire, Oh, not 

566
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,560
the the Shire. 
It's not the Shire, all of 

567
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,440
Middle Earth from from evil. 
And this tiny little creature 

568
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,560
has to undo all of this evil and
somehow deep in him is the 

569
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,120
courage and the ability to do 
it. 

570
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160
And for some reason I read that 
book every summer for a few 

571
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080
different reasons. 
One is I'm lazy and don't want 

572
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,280
to have to go pick some other 
book that I don't know if it's 

573
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,200
going to be good or not. 
The second one is it does it, it

574
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,640
stirs my imagination in a really
unique way that I'm not sure 

575
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880
other books would do. 
And every time I just find 

576
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,920
something new about it. 
So it's this comforting thing 

577
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
that I know when I go to the 
beach, I'm not going to be 

578
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200
disappointed in it, but that I'm
going to get something new out 

579
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,280
of it every time. 
And it's kind of just a comfort 

580
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,560
thing that I do just about every
summer, and it sparks my 

581
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,120
imagination in a really unique 
way. 

582
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,960
Hi, my name is Colin Atkins. 
I'm an AV technician on our 

583
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,840
staff, and the book I chose is 
The Comeback Effect by Jason 

584
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,280
Young and Jonathan Malm. 
So I decided to read the book. 

585
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Over the last year, we as an AV 
staff have just been super 

586
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,679
intentional around processing 
and developing our team's 

587
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,600
identity around leadership. 
And so we've been to a few 

588
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,159
conferences related to 
production. 

589
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,080
And in one of the breakouts I 
attended, I got to hear from 

590
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Jason Young, one of the authors 
of the book, the book is called 

591
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,840
The Comeback Effect. 
And so really like what the book

592
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,800
starts talking about is, hey, 
how are we as members of the 

593
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,239
church just week in, week out, 
engaging the guests and 

594
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,840
ultimately creating a hospitable
experience for them that lets 

595
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,160
them feel welcome, lets them 
feel the love of Christ and just

596
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,360
be able to engage them, even if 
we don't know them. 

597
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,440
And usually that's going to be 
the first time experience for 

598
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,040
somebody is they're coming into 
a church not knowing anybody, or

599
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,480
maybe they have one connection. 
And so how can we as leaders and

600
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,960
members of our church actually 
start to be reaching out and 

601
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,480
engaging people coming through 
the doors? 

602
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,760
The book's content was outside 
of my comfort zone, which 

603
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,080
usually means that there's going
to be some challenging ideas for

604
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,560
me to grasp onto you and wrestle
with. 

605
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,040
The idea of engaging attendees 
and guests usually felt like 

606
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,280
something that was outside of my
job description, both personally

607
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,240
and for the scope of my job. 
However, that misconception has 

608
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,480
been challenged and changed and 
a large part of that was through

609
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160
this book. 
Getting to read and process how 

610
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,480
the authors are approaching 
guests and attendees has made me

611
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,560
re evaluate my role in engaging 
the people of our church and 

612
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,360
ultimately my hope is that this 
book is going to spark a similar

613
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,960
change for our readers. 
Hey, I am Mary Beth Span and I 

614
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,400
am on staff as a Communications 
Project Manager, which I added 

615
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,920
to my role back in the fall 
previously and currently I am 

616
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,720
Chris Mcgowan's assistant. 
And the book I chose to talk 

617
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,440
about is The Hiding Place by 
Coryton. 

618
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Boom. 
I first read this book, I 

619
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,240
believe in high school, 
something 10th grade kind of 

620
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,000
pops out in my head, but I've 
read it several times since 

621
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,800
because this book is just it's 
really life changing. 

622
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,880
It is set in Harlem, which is a 
small city in Holland back in 

623
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,800
World War Two, and it's about a 
Christian family that sets out 

624
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,840
to rescue Jews once the Nazis 
invade their small city. 

625
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:50,120
And the book just first of all, 
I love anything history, but 

626
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:56,080
especially just true stories of 
faithfulness of God's people. 

627
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,440
And these these people went 
through a lot in their efforts 

628
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,120
to save hundreds of people. 
I believe it was close to 800 

629
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,920
people that they saved, which is
incredible. 

630
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,720
And the story takes a turn 
around midway through, and I'm 

631
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,880
not going to spoil it, but 
basically the this family is 

632
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,480
scattered and sent to 
concentration camp. 

633
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,520
And just through, as you can 
imagine, just the horrific 

634
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,720
conditions and the treatment, 
their faith, especially Corey's,

635
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,560
it's, you know, it's, it's 
challenged and she kind of 

636
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,040
questions like what's what is, 
what's happening? 

637
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:49,160
And do I trust God? 
And it, it really is an 

638
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,760
encouragement and a challenge to
my faith as well. 

639
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Like when I think about like, 
what if I was in that situation,

640
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,720
you know, what if I was locked 
somewhere with horrific 

641
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,560
conditions and would I continue 
to follow Jesus? 

642
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Would I want to share the 
gospel? 

643
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,640
What would I do? 
Would I run? 

644
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,800
Would I be mad? 
Would I despair? 

645
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Or would I be faithful like they
were? 

646
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,480
And even though she does have 
her questioning and doubts, 

647
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:25,120
ultimately she grows in her 
faith and continues to trust the

648
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,360
Lord and to share the good news 
with others. 

649
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,240
And so that's why, you know, 
I've read it, you know, multiple

650
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,280
times, as well as wanted my 
children to read it early on. 

651
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,600
My name is Nick Naderstad and I 
work as a finance processing 

652
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,280
coordinator. 
I've always loved fiction and I 

653
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,400
had some really close friends 
recommend this book as well as 

654
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,240
others by the same author. 
So the book that I brought is 

655
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,120
Way of Kings by Brandon 
Sanderson. 

656
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:02,440
It is about a world where they 
used to have heroic figures and 

657
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,880
the heroic figures abandoned 
their oaths that they took to 

658
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,240
keep fighting against evil and 
to keep protecting the innocent.

659
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,480
So the book, the main plot takes
place hundreds of years later 

660
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,880
after this and how the culture 
is developed in spite of that. 

661
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,480
So there are a lot of different 
political figures that are all 

662
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:30,960
involved in seizing power and 
trying to control power in the 

663
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,800
midst of a war. 
And so we pick up with three 

664
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,000
main characters and other ones 
where one of them is the lowest 

665
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,320
to the low and he's put in a 
position where he doesn't have 

666
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,120
much influence, but he is 
responsible for taking these 

667
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,560
other people surrounding him and
like giving them hope in the 

668
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,280
midst of a really dark 
situation. 

669
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,600
And one of the other characters,
she is on her way to try and 

670
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,920
save her family from financial 
destitution and. 

671
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,720
To steal a very valuable object 
from a member of the royal 

672
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,680
family. 
And then one of the final 

673
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,520
characters is a former warlord 
that is really trying to do the 

674
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,480
right thing in the midst of 
having to deal with his past and

675
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also dealing with some PTSD. 
And so he has to really evaluate

676
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what the right thing is and hold
to that in the midst of all 

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these political powers that are 
at play. 

678
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,400
I would recommend Way of Kings 
because the storytelling and the

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character work really are just 
phenomenal. 

680
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The way that Brandon Sanderson 
builds the plot and develops the

681
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,160
characters so that they are 
exciting and satisfying as far 

682
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,440
as the payouts go, like is just 
done incredibly well. 

683
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,840
He uses the medium of epic 
fantasy to explore important 

684
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themes like mental health and 
the value of doing what is right

685
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in the midst of trials and 
ambiguity. 

686
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,520
It does have a high page count, 
but this book and the series 

687
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that it starts is one of the 
most well written stories I've 

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ever read. 
As you read it and reach the 

689
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,600
ending, you start to understand 
that the author is carefully 

690
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,040
crafted, each plot point and 
character so that it ultimately 

691
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,600
reaches a thrilling and 
satisfying conclusion. 

692
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Thanks for listening, everyone. 
Be sure to check out the show 

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notes for our complete book 
recommendation list. 

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We'll see you next time on the 
Grace Church Members Podcast.

