1 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:06,700 Grace Church members, welcome back to the podcast. 2 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,000 I'm Chris Rivers. One of your host and I'm really 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 glad to join you today. If you're a first-time listener, 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,600 we're excited. You joined us. 5 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,200 The goal of this resource is to address discipleship issues in 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,200 the life of Grace Church and discuss how to be more fully 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,200 devoted to God. I have to say, I was really 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,100 encouraged by this interview. You're about to here with Ryan 9 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400 Donnell, and Scott Mozingo. Mostly because it gave me a 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,400 template for what sir Successful prayer. 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,800 Looks like we unpacked prayer as a formative practice and explore 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,900 how prayer can serve. As a barometer to what we truly 13 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:41,600 believe about. God, the gospel and our 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,700 Salvation stick around to the end because Ryan gives us a 15 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:47,100 model for praying. The Lord's Prayer you won't want 16 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:49,100 to miss it. Okay, let's jump into this 17 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:52,400 interview. Ryan's good to see you today. 18 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:55,100 It is he yeah, it's got good morning. 19 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:56,600 Chris. Good morning Scott. 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,100 Well, Ryan wants to just jump in. 21 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:00,300 Love to learn a little bit about you. 22 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:02,800 Your journey here at Grace and what do you even do here? 23 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:09,800 Yeah, that's a good question. I've gotten that a lot, it's 24 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:15,100 changed over time but right now I'm a worship minister. 25 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:22,500 So I say I play songs and Lead music and Try to welcome people 26 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:26,900 into worship and our services, they're singing and prayer and 27 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:29,800 all of that. And then recently I've gotten to 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,500 do some part-time work in videography. 29 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:35,800 So I'm on the video team now. Okay, then I'm on a couple of 30 00:01:35,808 --> 00:01:41,200 different teams like that do projects for the church like not 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,200 of prayer. Good Friday. 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Service has sort of special services stuff and yeah and 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,100 you've been a Grace for a while. Yeah. 34 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,600 Lydia. My wife and I came to Grace in 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:59,500 2009, summer 2009. So, I've been here a while and 36 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:03,400 yeah, we worship mostly at the Pelham campus and my wife serves 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,300 in Mosaic there and kids are in the Ministries there and you're 38 00:02:07,308 --> 00:02:08,199 still a student. Right? 39 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:09,800 Right. Still student. 40 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:13,500 People ask. Are you done with school yet and 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,900 but they've been asking that for Almost 10 years, what are you 42 00:02:18,908 --> 00:02:22,800 studying? So right now I'm studying at the 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,700 University of Geneva in Switzerland and their Systematic 44 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,900 Theology program. They have a Ph.D program there 45 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:32,100 that they let you study at a distance. 46 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:37,200 So I get to travel for courses and conferences and stuff like 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,700 that, but it's allowed me. Part-time flexibility to work 48 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:44,900 and study at the same time and University of Geneva. 49 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:47,100 Just fit the bill. What do you eventually hope to 50 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:53,500 do? Yeah, I mean I'm trying to just 51 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:56,400 follow the lord and Trust, whatever you want to do with me. 52 00:02:56,900 --> 00:03:00,500 That's the true. But spiritual sounding answer. 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,200 I really do want to be able to teach in an academic setting and 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,800 right and I'd love to be in a setting where I could help equip 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,000 people who want to be in Ministry but also engage people 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,900 who are not Christians at all and the academic contexts of 57 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:24,400 secular universities, allow that to happen to have a conversation 58 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:30,200 about Jesus and and the church and that type of thing in the 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,500 context of pluralism and secularism and disagreement and 60 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:37,300 I don't think I just want to be Salt and Light there. 61 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:40,100 Ryan will speaking of bringing things into our world. 62 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:43,900 I want to talk about prayer from your perspective just how have 63 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:46,600 you grown in your understanding Of prayer. 64 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,900 And what is the passion for you? It's a great question. 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,800 I mean, I think for me, I don't think this is crazy different 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,000 from most people, I think, when you become a Christian, the Holy 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:08,700 Spirit, your your ushered into a conversation between God and God 68 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:13,700 and God, and I don't mean that there are three Gods, but when 69 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:18,399 you become a Christian On the first, you know, sort of cries 70 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,200 of your heart. Paul says it in this way and 71 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,300 Galatians 4:6 that. He says the spirit, the Holy 72 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:29,500 Spirit, cries Abba, Father, and one of the first things, you 73 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:33,500 know, when you have the Holy Spirit, is that Jesus is your 74 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:36,800 brother. And God, is your father, and 75 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,600 that's a prayer like your response of faith is a prayer. 76 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,900 It's a response to God and Here, all of a sudden in relationship 77 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:51,200 with him, you know. So as a baby Christian, I was 78 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,800 like, I was 10 years old but nobody had to tell me. 79 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,900 This is what it feels like, because you just you're like, 80 00:04:57,900 --> 00:05:00,100 well, I know, I just, I know God. 81 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:04,600 Now I I sense his presence. So, like you have these 82 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:11,600 immediate desires and emotions to talk to God, you don't have 83 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,700 to be convinced that he's in the room. 84 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:18,000 You're just You're aware but as you get older and as I got 85 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,000 older, you know, figuring out how to grow and and develop 86 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:29,500 practices is a different thing. And so I think like for most 87 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:36,300 people times of suffering pain, doubt those would always be 88 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,500 crucibles. You know, crushing pressing 89 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:43,200 moments, squeezing me and, you know, I'd cry out to God. 90 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,000 Pray in those in those times. But, but really developing 91 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:51,300 habits, or a practice of the presence of God through prayer 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,400 is not something that I could say. 93 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:56,600 Yeah. This is really, I'm really 94 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,600 developing and growing in this. So I think there's natural 95 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,300 intuitions when you become a Christian. 96 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:05,700 You're like, yeah, course, I want to be with God, but there's 97 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:10,000 so many other things that can shape you and distract you from 98 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,300 that that if you don't have developed habits and practices 99 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:18,800 and the Community and a trellis, if you will to help your your 100 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:24,000 plant, your your, your Vine of praying to grow, then it's not 101 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 going to happen or I'll get choked out. 102 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:32,900 So I think that happened for me over time and I got to a point, 103 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:38,600 I think a lot of Christians do when they're like, I missing I'm 104 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,200 missing the fullness of the kind of life with God, that I feel 105 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,900 like I'm supposed to have. And yeah, prayer was kind of one 106 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:50,300 of those check engine light moments things from me when it 107 00:06:50,308 --> 00:06:56,000 was highlighted that I think I'm actually like fading away from 108 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:59,500 the kind of life with God, that was meant to have Ryan. 109 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,900 That's great. Make the connection for us 110 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:08,500 between prayer devotion. Why do you think this prayer 111 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,800 habit, ritual? Like whatever you have learned 112 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,200 and your Discovery? Why is it such a discipleship 113 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,300 issue? For us as members of our church. 114 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,600 That's a great question. I think I think there's positive 115 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,900 answers and negative in the sense that I think. 116 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:34,100 One of the things that prayer as a discipleship issue is crucial 117 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,200 for us in terms of our understanding or approach to 118 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,600 what Christianity is. You know, if a disciple is a 119 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,600 learner or an apprentice of Jesus, then it's not just 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,100 learning about content. Like you would read a book on a 121 00:07:50,108 --> 00:07:56,000 shelf, it's about learning to practice a way of life and to 122 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,900 live with Jesus. It's about being in his presence 123 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,800 in all the corners of your life. So prayer. 124 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:11,200 Highlights what you really think the gospel gives you. 125 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Okay, I'm gonna try to say this as forthrightly and clearly as I 126 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:25,300 can, but a lot of people in our church or who attend and in 127 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:30,800 America think that God is a resource to get something else. 128 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Besides God, So how do we say that? 129 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:41,100 I'll tell you, we think that Jesus is a channel to get us to 130 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:47,400 a place called heaven. Which if you fill that out, 131 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,000 maybe so that I can have endless days without pain or crying or 132 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,900 tears. Now, do we all want that? 133 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:58,800 Of course we do, but which is the priority, is it a mortal 134 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,300 existence from day to day? Like it's just an infinite 135 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:05,500 sequence of days? Is that is that actually your 136 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:09,800 God? Actually probably is like for a 137 00:09:09,808 --> 00:09:13,100 lot of people where the absence of suffering, right? 138 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:17,100 You're just the apps. It's like we think of Salvation. 139 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:24,900 Only in negative terms, like just subtracting sin, right? 140 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,100 From the equation, or subtracting death, and suffering 141 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:30,800 from the equation, or subtracting the problems in my 142 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,400 life or, or, and it's not to say that they're not problems of 143 00:09:33,408 --> 00:09:35,800 course, they are. We all believe that look through 144 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:42,900 that, but I think if that's all you do, you never actually get 145 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:48,200 to what is the Christian Gospel? Which is that the best thing 146 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:52,100 that God can give you is God self? 147 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,900 Like the best thing you get with Christianity is God. 148 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:00,300 That's what makes God God, is he's the best. 149 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:06,000 But for example, Tristan, I were talking about John 3:16. 150 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:07,800 We supposed to learn that for Fusion right now. 151 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:13,200 Now call him out so you better be working on that tea and I'll 152 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,200 tease. Good translation says this is 153 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,000 how God loved the world. Not he loved it so much but this 154 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 is how God loved the world. He gave. 155 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:22,200 What did he give? What could he give? 156 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,200 What would be the best gift? God could give John says his own 157 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,600 heart, or the son, who's in his own heart? 158 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:35,600 He gave us his son, his one, and only son his unique son, whoever 159 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,800 believes in him, will not perish, but have eternal life. 160 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:40,400 And I said, well what is this eternal life stuff? 161 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,200 You know, is that something that's better than God? 162 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,500 Like is that a is that actually the real better gift? 163 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:50,800 That's a good stead of Jesus and his I mean I can't nothing's 164 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,200 better than God like he knows enough to and well, nothing's 165 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,200 better than God was like, right? So what is this eternal life 166 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,800 stuff? And I was like, actually later 167 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,500 in John chapter 17 when Jesus is praying to the father. 168 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:07,000 He says this is eternal life, the life of the age or It's that 169 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,700 they may know you and Jesus Christ and you've sent. 170 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:13,500 So actually this is another way of saying I'm giving you life 171 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:19,900 with me giving you my self and I think prayer highlights to me 172 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:23,400 when I am starting to forget that. 173 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,600 The best thing quote-unquote that I get as a Christian is God 174 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,300 not something else. And when I start to to lose this 175 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:38,900 sense that I get to live my My life with God's presence every 176 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:44,300 day by his holy spirit. Then I'm already starting to 177 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:50,800 move my focus on something else. So I think it kind of challenges 178 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,100 us with. Well, what do you think the 179 00:11:52,108 --> 00:11:54,000 gospel really is? What do you think it really 180 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,700 gives you? You think it gives you something 181 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:59,700 better than God? So that's, that's one approach, 182 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,600 I think the other thing in terms of thinking about that word, 183 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,600 discipleship, what forms shapes us teaches us? 184 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:08,900 Apprentices us because we oftentimes think that 185 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:13,800 Christianity or or being a disciple is like it's this 186 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,800 formation practices that we have to take on as something 187 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,300 additional to our life that we're not doing already and 188 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,500 there's two things about that. Like, I've heard this from other 189 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:31,100 other teachers recently as well as just that you're already 190 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:35,000 doing stuff, you already have patterns and rituals you don't 191 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,200 call them rich. Jules, you know you already when 192 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,400 you get in your car, There's four things that you do 193 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,000 immediately. I mean they're different for 194 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,900 everybody, or when you wake up in the morning you either check 195 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:46,100 you check something on your phone. 196 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:49,700 First, you turn your alarm off. If you make a cup of coffee, 197 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:51,900 right? You do your Wordle, you, 198 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:54,800 whatever your thing is, right. Everybody has a thing. 199 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,500 Well, that's, those are discipling practices, just 200 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,700 around something else that may or may not have anything to do 201 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:07,000 with the Lord, but you're already ingrained in rhythms and 202 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,100 right now. You're practicing away. 203 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:16,300 Your you have habits and rhythms whether they're intentional or 204 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:20,100 not and prayer challenges us to go. 205 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:27,300 Am I actually developing or working or yeah, training and 206 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:32,100 habits that put myself in God's presence and remind me that he's 207 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:40,600 with me and I'm with him every day and So the threat right now, 208 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,500 I think is that we're more trained and discipled by 209 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:50,800 algorithms from Google and then we are by the Holy Spirit or 210 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,400 anything, from the history of Christianity, or spiritual 211 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,800 mentors, or the Bible. So, let me make a big 212 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,100 observation but a couple things together and tell me if I'm 213 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,300 headed down the right path here. So part of the question about 214 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,400 Why do we struggle with this discipline? 215 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,100 Why do we neglect? It seems to exist around the 216 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,700 idea of how do I know it's working? 217 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Like if I'm praying for other people, you know, how do I know 218 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,400 God, hears my prayers? How do I know my prayers 219 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,000 effective? But it feels like the prayers 220 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,100 and praying for other people and praying for things is skipping 221 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,900 the most important step that you just talked about. 222 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,500 So we talk about devotion Devotion to God Devotion, to 223 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:35,100 others, two great Commandments. I don't think of people. 224 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:36,400 A lot of people think about prayer. 225 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:40,300 As Devotion to God as much as they think about praying for 226 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:45,100 other people, as a sign of Christian, you know, discipline, 227 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,700 obedience and love you. I love you. 228 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:51,700 I want to pray for you. I want to care for you, but it 229 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:54,100 seems like if that's more of our starting point. 230 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:58,600 And we haven't cultivated this appreciation that God is the 231 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,100 gospel in a way that I really enjoy a part of that 232 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:05,100 appreciation, is by communing with him through prayer, right? 233 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:07,000 Then the second part of that equation, Asian praying for 234 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,600 others is going to struggle. Yes. 235 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:12,600 Does that make sense? Can you elaborate a little bit 236 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,000 more on that baby? Yeah, I know. 237 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,000 I completely agree. I mean, of course like, you 238 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,800 know, I heard recently, you know, the reason why we pray for 239 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,700 people's because we love them, right? 240 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:28,200 You know, and when you can't do for them, something that you 241 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,000 wish you could do then you ask for somebody to do that thing. 242 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:36,800 That's that actually can't. So you go to God and say, Could 243 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,900 you do this? Because I can't and I love this 244 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:43,100 person. That's not a bad impulse, but it 245 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:46,200 does remind me of. So I got a quote that wasn't 246 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,400 going to be very long, but I got a quote Dietrich Bonhoeffer on 247 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,600 this. But in his little book life 248 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,600 together, he starts by talking about community and he one of 249 00:15:55,608 --> 00:15:59,900 his main points is you can't and you actually don't as a 250 00:15:59,908 --> 00:16:03,900 Christian have Community with other persons or other 251 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:09,500 Christians apart from Jesus Christ and you start to distort 252 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:13,100 your relationship with others unless you see it in and through 253 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:17,100 Jesus Christ. So I do think that the skipping 254 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,600 of yeah, I don't I'm not really talking to God because I need 255 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,800 communion with him. I'm trying to get him to be a 256 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,300 cosmic vending machine for some problems right now, that 257 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:29,500 actually already distorts your relationship with other people, 258 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,100 right? Even when you're praying for 259 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:34,100 this right? You know, so you're just your 260 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:39,500 orientation can get Is distorted, that's not the spoken 261 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:43,100 motivation obviously not. But what you're saying is apart 262 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:48,500 from some healthy rhythms, we already have other rhythms in 263 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:51,600 our life that we may not recognize as rhythms and we fall 264 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,900 into that thinking because we are swimming in a world of 265 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:59,400 consumerism vending machine type. 266 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Yes the ology. Yes, our are your economic like 267 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,900 James K, Smith talks about this a lot but your economic This is 268 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:10,400 our discipling. You so much everyday, your 269 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,700 buying habits, right that use, you can't help but start to 270 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,200 think about your relationship with God. 271 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,900 In those types of free market capitalist terms and when it 272 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:22,700 comes to your relationship to other people sometimes sometimes 273 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,000 you feel guilty. They feel like I'm actually 274 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,300 trying to twist God's arm to do something that he doesn't want 275 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,500 to do in my intercession for somebody else. 276 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,500 And this is just a well that's just wrong. 277 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:36,300 I mean, you don't and that's why the orientation. 278 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:39,400 Godlike. And this will get to this, but 279 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:43,100 hopefully the The Lord's Prayer it starts by going, like, you 280 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:45,900 actually are a good father, you're a good good father. 281 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:49,300 Like the song says, and you really are bringing the life of 282 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:52,200 Heaven to the Earth, and I really want your reality but you 283 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,300 want your will to be done. We're actually on the same page 284 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:55,200 about that. Yeah. 285 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,900 But that completely changes your prayers for other people. 286 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,500 And rather than just this like I'm desperately hoping that God 287 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,300 would care a fraction as much as I do about. 288 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,900 Out my loved one. No, no. 289 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Like of course, you're going to throw it one pair because of 290 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,600 that, and then you're going to go try to do it yourself unless 291 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:20,000 you think of God differently and then you'll, you'll realize that 292 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,600 you're praying with God and you're praying with Christ. 293 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,900 And you're offering up prayers that are completely in line with 294 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:29,500 the desires of all these Spirit. Yeah. 295 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:33,600 So let's go back to this idea of nothing is better than God. 296 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,100 Okay, I really, I really want to double tap on that, but I want 297 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,800 you to Help us answer the question. 298 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,100 Like how would you encourage our church towards this? 299 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:46,700 So sometimes I think it's similar to a marriage where you 300 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:51,200 actually really do love the person that you married and you 301 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,700 really do want to be with them. Even if you guys frustrate each 302 00:18:54,700 --> 00:19:00,500 other sometimes, but in order to remind yourself and the other 303 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:04,700 person of the intimacy you really do, have you have to cut 304 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:08,800 some things out and you have to To carve out some space and 305 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,000 time. So Jesus said, when you pray and 306 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,600 you go into your closet or you go into this little cabinet room 307 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:21,900 and pray that you know, Tyler sentences is an incredibly great 308 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:25,800 Insight because you're you have to carve out a space for this 309 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:31,300 and that's what something like the night of prayer has done for 310 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:36,300 our church body, it it carves out a specific time and space to 311 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:43,400 Give ourselves to the structure, the words, the Rhythm, the the 312 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,200 life and the truth of the Lord's Prayer as a as a trellis as a 313 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,500 form as a way to enter into God's presence and let it shape 314 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:55,000 us. It's a gift, right? 315 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,600 It's not it's a gift from from Christ himself to say, look, 316 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,800 this is a way to be with me and learn what it feels like and 317 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,200 looks like to be with me and be on the same page. 318 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:11,100 With me and so are not of prayers have helped to do that. 319 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:14,500 I mean, there's teaching there's prayer, there's intercession, 320 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:17,300 there's just being in God's presence and and letting that be 321 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,900 a pause to realize, and remember that. 322 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,600 Yeah, actually God's the God, we worship. 323 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:29,100 And, and because he's good, we don't have to doubt that because 324 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:34,500 of who we see in Jesus Christ and so we can bring the worst 325 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,900 parts of our life to him. Must broken pieces. 326 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,300 He can handle that. And we can also celebrate and, 327 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,800 and he'll he rejoices with us with the great thing. 328 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,500 You know, the triumphs, we can bring it all to him. 329 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:51,700 And as a community, we do that, you know, the Lord's Prayers 330 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,300 prayed in the plural. So so our night of prayers is 331 00:20:56,300 --> 00:21:00,400 one of the structures that helps bring us back to 0, right? 332 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:05,400 Christianity is about life with God and How does the structure 333 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,900 of the Lord's? Prayer itself. 334 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:13,900 Orient Us in this Focus towards God first. 335 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,600 Mmm. I mean, this is nothing new but 336 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:24,900 because it does start with our father who is in heaven and the 337 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,700 prayer to how would be your name or Sanctified? 338 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:30,300 Be your name scientific. I'll do is we say in Spanish 339 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,500 that your name would be treated his. 340 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:38,500 Holy seen as holy received his holy, it's a, it's a complex 341 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:39,700 way. Of saying. 342 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800 I'm actually good. I want to take care of you. 343 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,300 I love you. I'm a good God. 344 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Everything that I share with you is out of an abundance of gift, 345 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,200 its Grace upon Grace, and to come back to his name as his 346 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,700 character. It's who he is. 347 00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:00,100 It's it's his character not just revealed in the abstract and 348 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:03,300 like a list or a laundry list of attributes. 349 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:10,300 It's his name is identified with freeing Israel from slavery. 350 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,000 In Egypt. And, and of course, that goes 351 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,700 back to the point we made earlier, is, like, why did he 352 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:18,700 free him in the first place? Well, yeah, to get rid of 353 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,400 Oppression, but it actually says so that they may worship me. 354 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,100 Like, he's trying to save him, so that they can have this 355 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:32,000 intimate encounter this worship life of worship with God. 356 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,700 So, I think out of the gate, the first line is inviting you to 357 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:41,400 see God differently. And what about the, Father, how 358 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,700 should we think about God as father? 359 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,800 Yeah, so father this is not obvious but I do think it's 360 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,600 important to say father has different connotations for some 361 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,900 people that that's like oh that's a metaphor of a good 362 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:59,300 parent and for others it's that's actually a metaphor for a 363 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:03,100 terrible parent. So it is a human, it is an 364 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:07,800 anthropomorphic or, you know, for a title it is an analogy. 365 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,800 But I think it's important to Go. 366 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,100 Well, how does Jesus go? Let's go back to Jesus and Let 367 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:19,000 Jesus show us who the father is. And so, first and foremost, the, 368 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:25,200 the father is the one with whom Jesus has always been and a 369 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,600 great way to kind of shape how you think about God as father. 370 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,400 It would be to go back to John chapter 17 when which is this 371 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:44,800 extended prayer from Jesus and it's just Just full of trust and 372 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,500 life and love. And so that should shape how we 373 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,700 think about God, the father is in and through Jesus. 374 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,900 So we pray the Lord's Prayer. Rowan Williams says on our knees 375 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,100 next to Jesus. So I don't think you should just 376 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,400 go straight to father and go, well, whatever, I think about 377 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,700 that good or bad. That's probably what it is. 378 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:08,400 We should go to Jesus and go. Why don't you teach me? 379 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 What it means to pray to God, the father and we'll know that 380 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,800 we're saying Abba in the way that his holy spirit does. 381 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,800 One of the things is not is that God's not mail? 382 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,700 So to call god father doesn't mean he actually has gender. 383 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,000 That's that's not what it's saying. 384 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,000 It's saying a whole lot of other wonderful, beautiful incredible 385 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 things, but it is, it's a title with, with great comfort and 386 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,900 great meeting and great provision. 387 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:43,100 But, but I would just It's a, let's go to Jesus and learn how 388 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:46,300 he thinks about God, his father, and it starts with him being the 389 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:51,700 source and cause of all good, life, and gift and provision in 390 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,100 love. Then, how does the notion of 391 00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:56,600 Kingdom a kingdom? Come thy will be done on Earth 392 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,700 as it is in heaven. How does that idea? 393 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:04,100 Connect just keeping it simple devotion to God, verse and then 394 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,600 Devotion to other people and interceding, for other people, 395 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,700 is there a connection there, all absence Kingdom? 396 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:13,900 So, when we talk about Kingdom, you know, in the ancient world, 397 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,000 like most of the time Kings had bad connotations, especially for 398 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Americans as well. It's like, well, that's 399 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,900 everything you everything you would associate. 400 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,600 Monarchy with would be like oppression, you know, 401 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,500 colonialism slavery. All these terrible, you know, 402 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:31,500 tyrants totalitarian regimes. That's what you think of with 403 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,800 kingdoms and Reign and Rule. You don't have any good 404 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,400 connotations with that, as a good Democratic American. 405 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,600 So it goes back Back to well, what type of King are we talking 406 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,900 about here? And the kind of Kingdom that 407 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:50,600 Jesus brought that he said, was the heart of the father was a 408 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,800 kingdom who became king through a crown of thorns, not a crown 409 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,100 of gold like he became king through suffering. 410 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,000 The first placard that he gets over his head as king of the 411 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,500 Jews is on a cross, right? So not on a Gold Label. 412 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,800 So the kind of Kingdom were talking about. 413 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,200 That is the heart of the father is one where the highest go 414 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,500 slow. It's the one who sends, you 415 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:24,700 know, the father loved the world in this way, he gave his only 416 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,000 son. So this is completely reshaping 417 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,900 and hopefully restoring what we think about the father and his 418 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:35,100 kingdom. And then it's not a kingdom, 419 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:38,600 that's abstracted from The Real World, which is why we're 420 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,700 talking. Talk to pray, your kingdom, come 421 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,900 your will be done on the Earth as it is in heaven. 422 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:47,900 It's not to keep Heaven away, its to invite the life of 423 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,200 Heaven, into your own life, and your own heart, and your own 424 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,400 family into your world and to your city. 425 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,100 And so, you can know right from that verse that. 426 00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:04,400 God, actually, his design is to bring the life of heaven and his 427 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,900 kingdom to the Earth. And that's of course, what Jesus 428 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,800 did. But And I always whenever I pray 429 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,000 that prayer, always turn it. You Know, Myself and I say may 430 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,000 your kingdom come your will be done in me as it is in heaven. 431 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,900 And then, I say, also in my family and the life of my wife 432 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,400 and my church, and I know that I'm praying with the will of 433 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,400 God, I know that because that's the prayer Jesus came he to 434 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,800 pray. So, I think keeping Kingdom in 435 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,300 some other world is false. It's an error or making God 436 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,400 aloof. And so abstract that he doesn't 437 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,700 really care. Are no no that's not the kind of 438 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,900 father who dealing with and it's definitely not the kind of 439 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:52,800 Kingdom that Christ brought so apart from the Lord's Prayer, 440 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,300 what are some other ways that we can keep God? 441 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,100 Prayers to God communion with God big. 442 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,700 What are some other models? You mentioned the high Priestly 443 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:06,200 prayer. John 17. 444 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,200 What are some other ways that we can really cultivate this 445 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:15,400 Devotion to God through prayer? Again not to diminish, the 446 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,300 intercession for others but really as as fuel for that, 447 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:23,800 intercession for us. Yeah, yeah so I think of 448 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:28,900 intercession as work like, you're doing real work for that 449 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:34,500 person. Like in Acts, you know they 450 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,600 appoint the deacons and then I say so that we can keep doing 451 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,900 the Devotion to the word and prayer because they think it's 452 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:47,300 real work prayer is work. Like, Luther thinks it's sweaty 453 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,600 difficult work to pray and it does real things. 454 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,800 So you're serving people. When you pray for them, you're 455 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,100 actually doing work for them before, the Throne of God, when 456 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:04,100 you pray, but I say that to say that. 457 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:08,300 Yes, you can follow that in Paul, for example, his the 458 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:13,200 examples of his prayers, in the Epistles are doing work for the 459 00:29:13,208 --> 00:29:17,500 people that he's writing to that comes out. 460 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Yes, you can track with the prayers of Jesus. 461 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,800 All there's tons of different Encounters of Prayer in the New 462 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,200 Testament that you can draw from but I think one of the easiest 463 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,300 answers just to be sure. For is for the last two thousand 464 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:36,400 years and then before that the prayer book of the Bible is the 465 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Psalms. And so when I don't know what to 466 00:29:39,608 --> 00:29:45,000 pray, I pray the Lord's Prayer but the Lord's Prayer Luther, 467 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,100 said it penetrates the Psalms and the songs penetrate The 468 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,700 Lord's Prayer. So, I go to the Psalms because I 469 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:55,700 know that I will have access to the full range of emotion of 470 00:29:55,700 --> 00:30:01,400 tragedy and celebration all there and It's always going to 471 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,200 challenge me. It's going to catch me off 472 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,700 guard, it's going to say things that I don't expect and it's 473 00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:12,300 going to connect with my my life in a real earthy human way. 474 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:17,300 And so, I think one of the best ways to learn to pray with more 475 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:23,000 than just the Lord's Prayer is to get in the Psalms, and it's 476 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,800 okay, if you're like, pray phrase and you're like, okay, I 477 00:30:25,808 --> 00:30:27,000 think I know what that means. Yes, God. 478 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,300 That's what I want to say. And then go to the next phrase 479 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,600 ago. I don't know what this means. 480 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,500 God. Yeah. 481 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,000 But I want to go to the next line, that's okay. 482 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,000 But I think that's a great and there's all kinds of books and 483 00:30:38,008 --> 00:30:40,300 resources for that. But I think the Psalms are a 484 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,700 gift to us. Well, this has been great Ryan 485 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,600 so at the end of the day, what would success look like? 486 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:55,400 So I think I want to say that especially to somebody who's 487 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,700 discouraged about praying right now, they are getting all this 488 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,100 and they're like, this is so foreign to me. 489 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:05,900 And I feel sad about that. I think that just tells you that 490 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:07,900 you really do. Love God. 491 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,800 Even though discouragement says, I want something that I know I'm 492 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,900 supposed to be enjoying right now but I'm not there, I think 493 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,600 that's okay. And so to that person I want to 494 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,000 say you already have a successful prayer life. 495 00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:28,700 What do I mean by that? Jesus is your prayer like, Jesus 496 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,700 is already. He already has scars on his 497 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:35,300 wrists. And in his side that plead for 498 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:40,500 you, they pray for you every day and they are fully Hebrews says 499 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:44,900 heard Jesus Christ. He uttered cries and tears and 500 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,600 groans for you already to the father and they've been 501 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,800 completely hard and the Holy Spirit is always groaning always 502 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,400 praying always As with you always already communicating 503 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:02,300 your needs and they're already being accepted. 504 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:08,100 So, the good news is, there is a secure sense in which your 505 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,700 prayer life is already acceptable. 506 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:15,500 Like, no matter how bad it is, and that's the, that's the 507 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,300 gospel. You already have communion with 508 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,500 God, God's party with you, you know, that's who Emmanuel is 509 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:22,100 Jesus, you know, he's God with us. 510 00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:26,800 So I think that's the Starting place to grow their. 511 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,900 I think would be the first two words that come to mind are 512 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:36,700 presence, and participation. So presence is when you sense 513 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:41,900 and experience when you are living into a greater awareness 514 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,800 that you're with God, and God is with you and that you take that 515 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,400 into your presence to the rest of the world, you you sense? 516 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,100 You know, as I'm doing this Labor. 517 00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:58,800 This work, this act of service or my job, my vacation, my 518 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:04,000 family life, I'm with God and God is with me, the more you 519 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,100 pray, the more you'll be aware of that. 520 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,600 You'll be living with God and experiencing his presence. 521 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,800 You'll be bringing his presence into all the corners of your 522 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,100 life and you're also more present to other people and you 523 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:20,700 can be present to them, you can love them, you can bring their 524 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:25,600 presence into into. Your prayer life, your 525 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:29,100 conversation with god. And so I think presence is a 526 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,600 part of and then participation the word participate, what I'm 527 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,800 trying to get at there is, you know, just participating in the 528 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,100 conversation with god but you actually going to be 529 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,700 participating in what he does in the world so it's very fruitful. 530 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:48,100 So Jesus is test for whether or not you're remain in him and 531 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:52,500 John's language and 14 and 15. I think of if your remaining in 532 00:33:52,508 --> 00:33:55,200 him and his words Are in you is that you're going to produce a 533 00:33:55,208 --> 00:33:57,100 lot of fruit? It's gonna be fullness. 534 00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:59,400 Yeah, okay. So you're gonna you're going to 535 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,800 have joy and you're going to be doing the things that Jesus did 536 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,700 and you're going to be doing the work. 537 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:10,800 You're it's going to look like the father's will and Kingdom 538 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,100 coming in your life as in heaven. 539 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:18,600 And there will be real practical visible concrete. 540 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,600 Expressions to that, like, feeling less lonely feeling 541 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,100 more. Are experiencing more joy having 542 00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:30,100 the energy to to meet the needs of other people, being able to 543 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,199 embrace moments of pain and tragedy. 544 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,400 Because you at the bottom of all of that, you have a deeper hope. 545 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,300 So you're going to be able to cry with people when you want to 546 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:45,300 and feel their their wounds because, you know, God can be 547 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,600 there too and God is there. You see what I'm saying? 548 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,500 So it helps you be present in all the moments God's calling 549 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,800 you to be present to be that kind of person. 550 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,699 Person. I think that goes back to what 551 00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,600 it means to be a disciple of Jesus. 552 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,000 Well. Thank you. 553 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800 I think we'll have some great resources. 554 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:10,800 You've got some good ideas of some, some books maps and 555 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,700 different things that can help. People will put those in in the 556 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,600 resource section. In the show notes, I have one 557 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,000 request. Want to put you on the spot 558 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,900 here, okay, as you close us is okay. 559 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:26,600 Chris, if I close this out today solutely, then I would love to 560 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,600 hear the Lord's Prayer and you get to pick the language because 561 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,200 you're okay. Your trilingual so Spanish or 562 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,300 French. Close this out with the Lord's 563 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:39,100 Prayer. Okay. 564 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,600 I can't I can't pray the Lord's Prayer in French yet. 565 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,500 You interesting brake parts of it in Spanish. 566 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,900 Obviously do it for an English but I'll throw in some tongs. 567 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:56,000 Okay, go for it. Our father in Heaven, by the 568 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,800 take it, that's a no Cielo santificado sea, Tu nombre. 569 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,800 God, we ask that your Holiness and presence your goodness and 570 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,200 fullness of it would be felt by your people today. 571 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,700 They'd be felt by us. God, I pray that we would not 572 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:21,500 shame or dishonor or treat as common who you are and what 573 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,900 you've done. And we don't want to do that 574 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,800 with our lives or with our speech today. 575 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,700 So I pray that as people look at our lives that they see that. 576 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:36,000 Your name is good and it's wholly and it's embodied in the 577 00:36:36,008 --> 00:36:41,900 life of Jesus and we just want that knowledge and that reality 578 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:46,600 to be extended through us. So we ask that your name would 579 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:53,200 be Sanctified and God we asked that your kingdom would come and 580 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,400 that your will would be done on the earth as in heaven. 581 00:36:56,900 --> 00:37:01,100 Not just in the future but inaugurated now Guy. 582 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,700 We recognize that that's going to be through suffering and 583 00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,800 trial in pain. The kingdom doesn't always 584 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:11,900 especially often times. It does not look like luxury and 585 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:16,900 comfort and wealth and safety but it looks like heartache and 586 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,500 tragedy. I pray that as we meet each 587 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:27,100 other in moments of pain that we would be reminded that that is 588 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:31,500 not contrary to your kingdom coming but that you can come in 589 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:35,600 and through those moments and so you send us into those moments 590 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,400 today. I pray that we not resist them 591 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,500 or buffer them or distract ourselves with other things, but 592 00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,900 be able to be present other people in their pain today. 593 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,600 And God we ask that you would provide for our needs. 594 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:56,300 God, give us today, the daily bread that we need Meet our 595 00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:59,400 needs are Necessities. That are real, that cause 596 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,600 anxiety, but we pray to you. Knowing that you're good, that 597 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,000 you love to give good gifts to your children. 598 00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,600 So we can ask you for all that we need for ourselves and for 599 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,000 those around us. God, we pray that you would 600 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:19,300 better, though, not with avocados, as we forgive us our 601 00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,400 sins, as we are in the process of forgiving others. 602 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,100 This forgiveness is a two-way street, God, and Can't resist 603 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,600 that. So as we receive your 604 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,900 forgiveness, we ask that you would Channel it through US 605 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,900 towards others. Just drain us of the bitterness 606 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,700 that sometimes we walk around with towards other people in our 607 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,700 life, whether it's our spouses, our kids friends, co-workers. 608 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000 God, we ask that you would, yes, forgive us our sins. 609 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000 As we forgive those who sin against us and God guide us away 610 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,500 from Temptation and trial. I was not the fall into It or 611 00:38:55,500 --> 00:39:00,700 just do stupid things that make us stumble into moments of 612 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,400 weakness and vulnerability that are our own fault. 613 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:06,700 Lord, let us not be tempted by our own desires. 614 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,000 So, Lord train our desires. Help us crave, what is good so 615 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,000 that we can overcome evil. And in that last part guy, we 616 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,100 just ask that knowing that you have overcome The evil of the 617 00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:26,500 world. We ask that you would help us 618 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:34,400 resist evil that you would help us resist evil actions and the 619 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,500 works of those who are doing evil. 620 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:45,400 Knowing that or Jesus, you came to deliver to save us from evil, 621 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,600 and from all of its effects. And the end the final day, the 622 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,900 final analysis, you really will and darkness and death and evil 623 00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,700 will be no more God. We want to bring that hope into 624 00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,800 the rest of our day today. And so we ask for it in and 625 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,800 through you, Lord Jesus. I agree. 626 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:11,400 Thanks. Well, as we wrap up today's 627 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,500 conversation, we want to thank you for joining us. 628 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,800 We believe that discipleship is the process that one engages in 629 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,400 when they repent believe and follow Jesus. 630 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,800 And there's no better way to engage in the process of 631 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,200 discipleship than in community. So we want to encourage you to 632 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,400 share this episode with someone and discuss this discipleship 633 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,100 issue together. Ask for their feedback and any 634 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,500 takeaways they receive be prepared to reciprocate and 635 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,600 approach their feedback with a willingness to learn and apply 636 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,000 this This is a great way to move towards this discipleship issue. 637 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,100 If you have questions or want access to any additional 638 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,100 resources to help you, dive deeper into this subject, be 639 00:40:49,108 --> 00:40:52,200 sure to check out our podcast page located in the show notes. 640 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:55,300 Thanks for joining us today and we look forward to joining you 641 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:56,500 on the next episode.