1 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:06,500 Hey there, my name is Chris rivers and I want to thank you 2 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:09,400 for joining us for the grace church members podcast. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,900 The goal of this resource is to address discipleship issues in 4 00:00:12,908 --> 00:00:16,100 the life of Grace Church and discuss how to be more fully 5 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:19,200 devoted to God in this episode, Scott Mozingo. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,900 And I chat with Leann cabin who serves as Grace Church has care, 7 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:26,000 and Recovery director, and executive housing director. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Be sure to check out our podcast page at Grace Church SC. 9 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:35,000 Org /y, discipleship on this page you can access a summary of 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,800 each episode and additional resources to help you move 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,300 towards discipleship. Okay, let's jump into this 12 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:43,400 episode. Well, Leanne, we're glad to have 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,200 you today and talking about why serving is a discipleship issue. 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,000 So, before we get started, watch tell us a little bit about your 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,200 role here. Thanks Chris, I'm been on staff 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,500 for about 11 12 years. I am currently in the role of 17 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:00,800 our care and Recovery Ministry director, that includes items 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,599 like Divorce, Care, grief, share region Mosaic. 19 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,200 And recently, housing, all that experience, is what we wanted to 20 00:01:08,208 --> 00:01:11,700 tap into today when you and I were talking offline. 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,400 About issues that have shaped the culture of our church things 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,800 that are really meaningful that are easy also to take for 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,900 granted, but things that we can't afford to take for granted 24 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:27,300 because it is part of at the very core of who we are called 25 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:30,800 to be as a organization as a church as a local body. 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,800 There are a lot of things you could have talked about but the 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,200 first thing you jumped on as you said I want to talk about 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,300 serving and I'm so excited to have this conversation. 29 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,300 Let's do two things at the onset. 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:47,100 Just kind of Define what serving is and then tell us what role 31 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:50,800 serving is really played in your faith Journey To Me serving is 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,900 giving your life away. Now that could look many 33 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:58,000 different ways and so it could be a specific serving role. 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,100 But I think it's also an orientation of the heart and how 35 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:05,600 you go about life in general. I think serving has a vertical 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,199 and a horizontal component. So I serve because of what the 37 00:02:09,208 --> 00:02:11,600 Lord has done for me and how Christ serve me. 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,400 First, but then serving requires another individual. 39 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,900 So yes, I could just serve myself. 40 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:21,200 So I guess it doesn't require it but to really be serving in a 41 00:02:21,208 --> 00:02:23,500 way that Jesus modeled, there's someone else. 42 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:28,200 And so that is me serving, lifting up caring serving for 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,700 somebody else, my in my life down to care for others. 44 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:35,700 I think sometimes we have compartmentalised serving down 45 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:40,200 to a specific role or event, and I think that's where we get into 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,400 trouble. To me, it is much, Much broader 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,400 than a serving roll or this idea of I serve at church or I serve 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,700 on our swim team board. So I check the box or I have to 49 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:54,900 go do baseball concessions. This is part of how I serve at 50 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,100 little league and so this is what I do, but I think that idea 51 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:01,500 is very narrow and that's where we get into some trouble because 52 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:04,400 serving for me has been life-changing and life-altering. 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,800 Yeah, tell us a little bit about it's kind of growing up Church. 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,500 How you viewed serving how that changed over the years. 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,700 Growing up. We were always in church. 56 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:16,200 The door was open. We were there, but we were very 57 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,700 much consumer. It was something that we did. 58 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,200 And the discipline of going to church was always a part of 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,400 life, but in my life, I actually did not see the impacts of 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,000 Sunday and Wednesday. Beyond those events. 61 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:32,800 We did not have a, I would say, we have a Christian values home, 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,800 but we did not have a Christ following home. 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,300 And so that put some Discord and my experience, then when we got 64 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:43,900 married, Read. And after Mac was born, he was 65 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:45,900 six months old. We started looking for churches, 66 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:48,200 here in Greenville. The very first church we went to 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,100 was a very established church and it was great because I came 68 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:55,100 and I had my son to nurse you volunteer, and the same Nursery 69 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:58,500 volunteer handed him back to me after he had slept with her on 70 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:01,200 her shoulder and the rocking chair the entire service and I 71 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,300 was thrilled. As a young mom, that was all I 72 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:06,200 wanted. Then the next week we visited 73 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,200 Grace and at that point in time, there were 70, 80 people, we 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,200 came in, I had that Same sweet, six month old son, that nobody 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,300 else was really taking care of outside of family and we walked 76 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:21,399 in and Nursery was in a hallway. The nursery was not really what 77 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,000 we would call a nursery but it was a location, drop your kids. 78 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And so we did and I was very uncomfortable. 79 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,900 I gave my son to a man which I had not done before and it 80 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:33,600 wasn't a very comfortable environment. 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,300 So we went to service or went to the worship service because my 82 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:40,200 husband told me we had to we laughed. 83 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,800 We left back there, we went in In heard teaching, like we had 84 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,800 never heard before and came back, I share that because right 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,600 after that, I got involved in serving in the nursery because I 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,100 wanted to know who had my kid, know that man was it was odd to 87 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:54,800 me? There was a big man taking my 88 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,100 kid and now he's still here. One of the sweet things that was 89 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:01,000 the Andersons. I was totally Anderson and still 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,500 serving at our church and has had my kids a couple different 91 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:05,500 times throughout children's ministry in their life. 92 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:08,900 So very grateful for him. But at the onset, I had no idea 93 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:11,600 who he was. Why he would be back there and 94 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Else was going to be taken care, and it was obvious. 95 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,300 They needed us. So, West quickly got plugged 96 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:21,100 into the worship team. He was on drums within a couple 97 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:24,400 weeks at best, and I was serving on the rotation back in the 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,000 nursery and that hooked us, we were back and we would come back 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,000 week after week because we had a responsibility at that point. 100 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,100 It was more about being needed. Then really the motivation of 101 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:38,700 anything else. Is that I was needed. 102 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:41,500 I needed to feel that responsibility and so I would 103 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:45,400 Keep coming, and it brought us back into church and took us 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,300 away from college football games and weekend spent traveling the 105 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:52,000 team because we had a responsibility and we had 106 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,600 someplace to be and there were people on the other end of those 107 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,600 responsibilities that you were serving and caring. 108 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,300 For at that point, I didn't really care about them if I'm 109 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:02,500 honest. I mean I was just trying to make 110 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,800 sure I was doing what I was supposed to do and a high level 111 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,700 of responsibility and I did like being needed. 112 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,300 So at fed and idle it took me a while to actually learn to Care 113 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:14,500 people, I would serving. How did that? 114 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:19,100 How did that change for you? I think that came later probably 115 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:22,000 when I had more of a women's ministry role because I was 116 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,200 diving into scripture. In a new way as I said, I'd 117 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,300 grown up in church, it was something that we did, but it 118 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:29,800 didn't really impact our daily life. 119 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 I started serving with the women's ministry team really to 120 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,500 bring my organizational skill to the team and enjoyed that, but 121 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:42,800 they started the beatings with. With what is God teaching? 122 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,200 You what we all set in the same service on Sunday right now, 123 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,000 he's teaching us Ruth. What's the question? 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,800 It's like I didn't understand this idea of self feeding and 125 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,300 and being in the scriptures and expecting God to do something. 126 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:59,800 And so I had to start reading so that I'd have an answer the next 127 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,600 time, it came around and I Started Loving, really reading 128 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,100 scripture for myself, not just what I was being taught. 129 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,500 And then it started to make sense all the one another's. 130 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:14,200 Scripture caring for one another bearing one another's. 131 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,500 Burdens all of that came to life and I started caring about 132 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:19,300 visit. I was certain it was no longer 133 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:22,400 serving Yang, caring about began to understand that. 134 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:25,200 So I think that was the big piece for me that flipped a 135 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,400 switch. So I think that's so helpful, 136 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,300 thinking about how scripture comes alive when you're putting 137 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:34,000 it into application. It's basically what you're 138 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 talking about. Can you think about some other 139 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:39,800 scriptures that were really fundamental in changing your 140 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 view from that? Rotation towards that 141 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,600 orientation to others. As I studied prior, it was 142 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,400 really knowledge base. It's kind of flat because I 143 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,500 wasn't needing to apply it. And, as I started reading, 144 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:54,800 especially in the New Testament. When Paul's letters started to 145 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,200 make, a lot of sense to me in ways they had not prior. 146 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,200 When I specifically think of Colossians, there's a spot. 147 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,800 I think it's chapter, 1 verses, 28 and 29. 148 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:09,600 So we tell others about Christ. Warning, everyone in teaching, 149 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 everyone, with all the wisdom, God, Giving us, we want to 150 00:08:13,008 --> 00:08:16,300 present them to God perfect in their relationship to Christ. 151 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:20,100 That is why I work and struggle so hard, depending on Christ, 152 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,600 Mighty power, that works within me and there was something about 153 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,100 that, that struck me as not only the motivation but also pulsing 154 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:31,500 is hard and it's struggle. I think so often when I was 155 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:35,299 recruited to serving roles or people are talking about it, 156 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,500 they were like, this is easy crumb, and all we need you to do 157 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:43,900 is to serve on this. Spot for an hour a week. 158 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,000 It'll be an easy thing to do. You can do this. 159 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,900 And what I found was denying myself going when I didn't want 160 00:08:49,900 --> 00:08:52,000 to go. I spent seven years in the 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,000 nursery in the baby nursery. So when service would go long 162 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:00,300 and parents weren't picking up quickly because I had a 163 00:09:00,308 --> 00:09:03,700 conversation after a long service, we might Temptation. 164 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,200 Would easily be come? Get this kid? 165 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,700 Yeah, right. I'm tired of your child's 166 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:10,600 crying. This is difficult and then 167 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,800 realizing know. It's supposed to be I'm caring 168 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,900 for this child, I'm caring for this family. 169 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:20,600 They need to connect and serving isn't the Christian life isn't 170 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,500 easy thinking about how many times we start a sentence with 171 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:28,400 all you need to do is and when we lead that way, we're really 172 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:34,000 cutting a big part of what God's intention is for serving, which 173 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,100 is to force us into self-denial as opposed to self-fulfillment. 174 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:43,400 And I think, your Story begins to Explain a real practical 175 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,700 example of how that works for a lot of us. 176 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,400 And I think we all start somewhere, right? 177 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:54,200 And so, we may start in a place that's easy or a spot that 178 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,400 really isn't motivated out of love, it. 179 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,800 Really is our own fulfillment. Hey, I'm really gifted in fill 180 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,600 the blank and so I really just racial. 181 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,000 Yeah. So I just want to do that. 182 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:07,400 Yeah but there might be a need somewhere else and being able to 183 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,400 recognize. Okay. 184 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,500 I actually need to meet this need I'm capable I may not. 185 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:14,100 Gifted. I may not find it easy. 186 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:18,500 I think often using our gifts which are for the body, it is 187 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,500 often easy. So to me, that's a difference in 188 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:25,300 serving serving is laying down my life for someone else, that's 189 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:27,400 not easy. I want to preserve my life. 190 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,900 I want to preserve my comfort. So I think when we are 191 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:33,700 recruiting, when we have a role, the worst thing to say is we 192 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:37,300 just need, I don't want the word just because if anyone can do it 193 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,700 then go find anyone. Leave me out of it. 194 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:41,500 I want an opportunity to do something unique. 195 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,200 Nique I want an opportunity to really be a part of something 196 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,700 bigger. And I think we all do were 197 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:49,400 created to be a part of something bigger. 198 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:52,100 And then I think the other thing that we do often is we don't 199 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,600 release and call people into serving, when we find our Niche 200 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,500 and we feel really good about what we're doing, we start to 201 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:02,000 find fulfillment in it and releasing and calling somebody 202 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,200 else to. It can be difficult. 203 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,500 And so, I think leaders make that mistake also and it robs 204 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,900 them of an opportunity, right? It's selfish to not invite 205 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:13,300 people in. And I think what you're touching 206 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:16,600 on there is the difference between discipleship, which is 207 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,800 where we are growing in, how we follow trust depend on Jesus and 208 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,100 become more like Jesus. And just fill the role of 209 00:11:25,108 --> 00:11:28,500 quote-unquote volunteer, like, you talked about with the little 210 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:32,300 league or the PTA so we just plug in a roll. 211 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:35,600 Need a need and there's nothing really transcend about it. 212 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,000 It's a check box. But with serving we're talking 213 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,400 about something that is critical to our walk. 214 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,300 Walk with Christ critical to becoming fully formed into the 215 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:47,900 image of Christ. And so that's why we wanted to 216 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:51,900 talk about why this is such an important discipleship issue. 217 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:55,900 That grows your Devotion to god. Let's talk about thoughts on 218 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:57,900 why. Now, why this is such an 219 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:02,000 important topic for us as a church for us as a church. 220 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,800 There are two components that I think of initially one we are in 221 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,600 a place where God has given us a number of resources and it is 222 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,700 quite humbling. See there's a Temptation that it 223 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:16,600 comes with that that we can Outsource. 224 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:19,700 Especially we can Outsource the things that we don't like to do 225 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:22,900 that aren't as fulfilling give some examples of that. 226 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:26,500 For one to me is childcare, we have the ability to pay for 227 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:29,800 child care workers and I think that's great and we need it. 228 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:33,600 I remember being that young mom, but I think there's also an 229 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,500 opportunity for me now to be in a different season to go, you 230 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:37,700 know what I do, remember what that was? 231 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:41,400 Like, why don't I come serve and I'll cover so parents can go. 232 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:45,100 Go to re-engage and that we not Outsource and just pay for 233 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:48,400 everything that can be done or flipping rooms in between the 234 00:12:48,408 --> 00:12:52,300 services or events. I still really enjoy the pack in 235 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:54,500 pack out. I haven't done it for a while so 236 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,100 I can enjoy something in reflection but there was 237 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:01,800 something to that side by side and I'd have conversations with 238 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,900 people, that would only happen in that environment because 239 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:08,600 we're both literally moving chairs ghetto. 240 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,000 And you get to just have a conversation that wouldn't 241 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,800 naturally. Drink up any other time. 242 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,900 I think the other thing about why now coming out of covid, it 243 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:20,700 has been really interesting to me to watch volunteer teams, 244 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:24,900 come back which teens come back quickly and which ones do not. 245 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:27,600 Hmm. And so I think it is revealed 246 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,300 and it's given us a gift of awareness that we did not have 247 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:33,700 prior. Many of us were just doing 248 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:36,400 routine. There's that just again, we were 249 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,100 working through because it was in our schedule, it wasn't 250 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:44,600 necessarily intentional. Well, I think we were guilty of 251 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:51,200 adjusting serving rolls to be easy to fit in schedules without 252 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,500 asking folks, to deny their own preferences as much. 253 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:58,400 It's one of the things that I think helped us grow so much was 254 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,400 really going. We can't be at every Carolina 255 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,700 game. We can't travel and do what we 256 00:14:03,708 --> 00:14:07,200 need to do as our kids aged. There were times that we would 257 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,200 send Mac with another family to a baseball tournament because we 258 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,700 had the priority. Of being here. 259 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:15,200 And I think our family Grew From that. 260 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,400 I know we grew from that. And so as we come out of 261 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,200 covid-19, seeing serving roles that were easy to fit in your 262 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 schedule or also easy to leave out of your schedule. 263 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,800 And so if we were on a convenient rotation, a lot of 264 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,800 those volunteers didn't come back. 265 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,800 It wasn't purposeful. It wasn't something that was as 266 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,400 meaningful because it just kind of fit. 267 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,400 One of the things that I noticed, our Mosaic volunteers 268 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,700 were back. Back. 269 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:45,300 As soon as a doors open, I think they signed up to do something 270 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:48,700 that would be hard. I knew it, but they were bought 271 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:50,000 in. They wanted to be there. 272 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,400 They want to serve the families, they want to serve the 273 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,400 individual and they came back as soon as we open the doors. 274 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,700 So I think it has helped us reveal our own hearts and what 275 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,000 is our motivation for serving? Am I serving because I'm 276 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,500 supposed to or am I serving? Because I want to I serve 277 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:08,200 because this is what the Lord did for me. 278 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,100 So what's the danger of pursuing to It's comfort in a serving 279 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:14,900 role. When I think, when we start 280 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:18,500 finding comfort in these different roles, we exchange 281 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,000 that for Christ Comfort. Yes, let's talk about have to 282 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,700 have his comfort, right? Don't need it because this is 283 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:27,500 easy. It's the hardship that you have 284 00:15:27,500 --> 00:15:31,100 to lean on him to say, I need your comfort because this is 285 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,600 difficult. I don't think all serving has to 286 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,200 be painful. I'm not trying to turn us into 287 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:39,700 these major Martyrs, but I think we have to prioritize it, it 288 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:41,700 needs to be an intentional part of our Life. 289 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,900 It needs to be sacrificial and it gives us that opportunity to 290 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:48,900 realize, oh I'm valuing myself over someone else. 291 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,900 I don't want to go today because it's raining I don't want to 292 00:15:51,908 --> 00:15:54,300 stand outside the ring. I mean I love that our parking 293 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:56,700 team does all that they do in the rain. 294 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,400 I love that you know, I pull up and I'm like, okay I feel cared 295 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,600 for I feel seen, that's a great gift, which they could have 296 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,700 easily called out because of the rain. 297 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,500 And at the end of it, I think that that will be a time that 298 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,200 they look back and be able to see a way that they laid it 299 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 down. Somebody else, and I got here an 300 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,500 hour early to set up, we don't have an awful lot of 301 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:19,100 opportunities to lay it down, right? 302 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:22,500 And this is an entry gate, like you said, for something to go 303 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:27,100 from being very, static to very Dynamic from that Outlook that's 304 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:31,400 oriented towards the self to an Outlook oriented to others and 305 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,800 it doesn't happen right away. But you got to get started, you 306 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,200 got to get involved and it can change over time and you can 307 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,300 have a lot of motivation and heart change. 308 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,000 Over time, but you got to get involved, you got to get going 309 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:47,300 in order to make that happen and learn what you're good at. 310 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:48,500 Right. That's right. 311 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,700 I had no idea. There were some things that I 312 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:53,800 actually could do. I started entering an Excel 313 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,800 because that's what I like to do and so that was something easy I 314 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,600 started with the nursery because there was a need but I've 315 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,800 learned through these different opportunities and serving roles 316 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,200 and feedback being given from others, that I do, have some 317 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:10,700 other ways to serve and to give. And so I've learned stuff about 318 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:12,900 myself. That that I would not have 319 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,400 learned, otherwise it would have been an opportunity and that's 320 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,700 one reason why we want to have a multi congregation model is 321 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:24,099 because when you split things off and make things smaller, and 322 00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:26,700 make things more local, you need more hands, you need more 323 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:29,200 people. You need folks, doing things 324 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,200 that they're not as familiar with or they don't know how to 325 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,100 do and serving one another go back to those one another's like 326 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:38,900 talked about in the context of the local church for a 327 00:17:38,908 --> 00:17:41,300 Transcendent purpose is a great place to do. 328 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,000 Do that. Let's talk a little bit about 329 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:48,600 the tension between serving and leading and where does our 330 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,300 leadership need to have these serving principles? 331 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:57,400 Always baked into them the different serving opportunities. 332 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,700 Bring out different skills in your guests and that's when I 333 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:04,200 would have never thought I had any leadership, I really prefer 334 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,600 the background. I always wanted food at events 335 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,900 because it gave me something to talk to the next person I'm out 336 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:11,300 because I'm not really good at stirring conversation. 337 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:15,500 So serving helps give those opportunities and you often 338 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,400 overtime begin leading. So if you've done something for 339 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,900 a long time, you end up having more responsibility, you end up 340 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,800 leading. I think if our leaders look at 341 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,600 leading as a end itself, I'm a leader. 342 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:35,400 Now I don't serve at lead. That's a poor Outlook because 343 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,700 again you're back to yourself in this accomplished spot. 344 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,600 Yeah, a good leader. He serves others. 345 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:46,600 Any power that we have should be power for others. 346 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,200 Good, not our own. And so I think in these 347 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,100 different roles where we are leading, we need to have an 348 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:56,800 orientation to serve those. That we are leading to care for 349 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,700 them to live out those one another's and to make sure that 350 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:06,200 we are also sacrificing for some of us leading is sacrificing, 351 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,500 right? It's not something we even enjoy 352 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:11,100 doing by any means. It's not an end. 353 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,100 It's Didn't it? Yeah. 354 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,800 And so that's the piece of that self-reflection and allowing the 355 00:19:14,808 --> 00:19:16,900 Holy Spirit to go. Okay, again, you're sliding into 356 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:18,600 Comfort. You're good at this. 357 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,300 This is easy. You need to go do something 358 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:24,500 else. Our leaders need to recognize. 359 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:27,300 Are they modeling or are we prescribing? 360 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,900 So if I'm saying, this is what a spiritual life, looks like, this 361 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:33,800 is what you should do. Scripture says follow me as I 362 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:39,300 follow Christ, so it should be me doing all of these things. 363 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,400 And if I'm leading you in, Some way it's being modeled for you, 364 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:46,600 it's not being prescribed. And so I think the other thing 365 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,400 for our staff, as we are charged with leading industries that we 366 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,800 remember first, we are serving the lord not filling boxes but 367 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:02,100 if we start looking at our members as ways to complete our 368 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:07,300 ministry or they'll boxes have whole, here is a recruiting to a 369 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:11,300 whole is a terrible, right? Because again, you've missed the 370 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:15,800 Art of serving you've missed the discipleship opportunity can 371 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,700 meet with that person, find out what they are good at, find out 372 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:20,700 what they're passionate about, find out their weaknesses. 373 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:23,400 Sometimes you actually want to use their weeks and say, hey 374 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,000 this is a spot that we can grow. Let's try this, you know? 375 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 And I'll walk with you. Let's do this. 376 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,800 And so it's not a matter of just filling boxes and making things 377 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,000 happen but it's drawing people closer to Christ. 378 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,900 Yeah, they're serving. Yeah, placing people in roles is 379 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:42,800 very different than developing. Being them to be more devoted 380 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,300 followers of Jesus silently. And one is definitely easier 381 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:49,200 than the other but it goes back to do. 382 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,400 I have a posture, you're very definition of serving a, my 383 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,200 humble before God and am I serving him? 384 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,400 Because of what he's done in my life and because of that, I have 385 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,800 an obedience have an obligation to love and serve others. 386 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,600 And the way that I do that is actually through serving, not 387 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,900 for my own self fulfillment, for the good of others, for the 388 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:12,900 glory of God, and for the building, If this Kingdom and 389 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:18,100 it's just so interesting to me how we take good things and we 390 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:21,900 turned them and can corrupt them, which is this the story of 391 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:25,600 creation. Yeah and so I love that idea. 392 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:30,300 Behind are we modeling or are we prescribing? 393 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:32,900 This has been greatly and is there anything else that you 394 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:36,600 would want to add as we close? I think, if we look to see the 395 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,500 way Jesus served, it's really hard to look at the cross and 396 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:44,400 then say That doesn't fit, I can't do that this week because 397 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,500 we have this event going on. You laid it down and I don't 398 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:52,700 think we will get to the end of life and regret serving. 399 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:56,100 Another person that's been a pushback that we've experienced 400 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,700 with kids growing up and having events and understanding the 401 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:02,900 busyness of life. I just travel ball and all those 402 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:06,100 things but I know that that formed our family, it also 403 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:09,500 formed our kids getting in the car and said, hey, you gotta be 404 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:13,200 ready to go and you Being late is now impacting. 405 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,700 All of these people. This isn't just about you, get 406 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,600 your shoes on. Let's go and both by God's 407 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,900 grace, both of our kids are here and they're serving, they don't 408 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:27,800 despise the church and I'm so grateful for that. 409 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:31,100 But I think they, they learned the value of the church. 410 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:35,500 They learned the community that is there for them through 411 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:38,700 serving and being a part. So good, thank you so much for 412 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,200 sharing and being here with us. I've gotten a lot of advice. 413 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:42,900 This. So we shed it. 414 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:44,500 Absolutely. Thanks for having me. 415 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,300 Well, as we wrap up today's conversation, we want to thank 416 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:50,200 you for joining us. We realize that listening to an 417 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,300 episode can be an individual experience which we believe is 418 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:57,900 only enhanced by talking through it and applying it to life. 419 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:00,400 And this is something that we believe lots of people don't 420 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,300 naturally seek out or have built into their lives. 421 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,500 So we want to encourage you to share this episode with someone 422 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,400 else and discuss how it applies to you. 423 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,200 This is a great way to move towards this discipleship. 424 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,500 Issue. 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