1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:06,640 All right. Hey friends. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,200 OK, so if you're here, you want to hear us talk about books, 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,600 which we'll be honest, this is a little self indulgent. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,600 I'm with my friend Sarah and we just love talking about English 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,160 classes and the books that we're reading and all that good stuff. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,920 So you heard Sarah mention the book James in our podcast and 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,960 that actually came out of, we have a staff book club that is 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,400 now affectionately called the Bailey Book Club or the BBC for 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,600 short. We do have stickers if you would 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,080 like one, if you'd like to join, but we read James. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,480 Sarah picked that out for us. And so I got to read it as well. 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,200 And it really, it reminded me of a lot of my English classes and 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,880 just like strong literature that's well written. 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,800 So we'll talk about that for a little bit. 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,320 And then our current book club book that we're actually getting 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 ready to talk about this afternoon is Theo of Golden, 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,200 which has been, I think, super popular, especially in Christian 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,600 circles for good reason. And so I've got some fresh 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,560 thoughts. I finished that at midnight last 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,480 night for our book club. Then we'll talk about that as 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,360 well. And by the way, we are going to 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,160 have some spoilers in here. So if you have not read these 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,680 books, definitely hit pause, Go read them and then come back and 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,680 listen to our thoughts. You've already talked about 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,840 James a little bit, Sarah, But yeah, what are some thoughts 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,160 that you have that, you know, maybe go a little bit more into 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,320 what the book is actually about? So this was fascinating to me as 28 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:38,920 someone who loves American literature and I've studied Mark 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Twain, I've studied his works and have a retelling of a 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,360 classic novel like Huck Finn from the perspective of a 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,400 different. Character was. 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,560 Really neat. And one thing that is prominent 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:56,440 in this book is language, the idea of how we speak and what 34 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,040 that means, which is fascinating because Mark Twain was one of 35 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,560 the reasons he was is known and famous in American literature is 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,800 because he was one of the first authors to write dialect. 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,520 Right. Like it sounds. 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,240 Yeah. So if you pick up Tom Sawyer or 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Huck Finn, the words are written phonetically how someone would 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,000 speak in that context. Which sometimes can be hard to 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,600 read. You're like, wait, what are they 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,960 trying to say? You know, But it really does 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,840 bring you into the world of that character. 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,680 And they actually, you learn more about who they are in their 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,400 identity through the way that they speak. 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,760 Yes, yes. So it is. 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,360 It's a really important thing for Samuel Clemens and then it's 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,000 really highlighted in this book, James. 49 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,040 So one interesting thing that Whitney and I we've talked about 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,520 before that this is fascinating is that so the character of 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:54,920 James is actually literate, which was probably unlikely for 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,080 a slave in this time period to. Suspend some disbelief, yes? 53 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,240 We have to kind of buy into the concept, but he is literate and 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,840 he teaches his children how to read and write and how to do so 55 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,720 properly in the grammatic sense. However, when they are in the 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:18,360 presence of white people, they code switch back to that African 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,920 American dialect of the time and the and the book really dives 58 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:29,440 into how they could not give any kind of illusion of their 59 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,520 knowledge because then their masters would be threatened, 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,320 right? Because proper language, the 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,760 ability to read and write, that is all tied to this idea of 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,720 power. Humanity. 63 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Education, being able to read something gives you power. 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,920 And so they had to kind of pretend when there were white 65 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,560 people present that they were ignorant. 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,360 And again, like it's Whitney said, you kind of have to 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,920 suspend disbelief because it's very unlikely that that would 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,720 have actually been true. But it does make you think. 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,040 It makes you think about the role of language and reading and 70 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,560 writing and how we talk and what does that mean about our 71 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,280 community and belonging. Like I'll, I'll tell a funny 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,000 story on my dad. So my dad's side of the family, 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,959 he grew up in Honey Path, South Carolina, which is very rural 74 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,520 area. And he is a software engineer 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,040 and went on a Clemson and highly educated man. 76 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,880 But when he is with his family, his dialect changes. 77 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,360 It goes back to, well, hey, Ma and that. 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,480 And I remember as a kid being like, man, dad does not talk 79 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,840 like that regularly. But when we're all together as a 80 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:48,880 family, it was just part of the family culture and brought a 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,320 sense of belonging and togetherness with that was how 82 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,000 he grew up hearing his parents speak. 83 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,040 And it's just fascinating the role that all that plays. 84 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,440 And I've even found that as an English teacher, I pick up on 85 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,360 the lingo of these teenagers. You know, I'm like lock in chat, 86 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:12,360 you know, like trying to to reach them to to connect with 87 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,440 them, to try and use their words. 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,080 What up twin? And nobody knows what I'm 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,640 talking about unless you have a teenager in your, but just 90 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,600 that's something that that is really delved into you in the 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,800 book of James that I found fascinating. 92 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Yeah, and I'm so glad you bring that up. 93 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,880 Another book that we read, and this was actually my pick for 94 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,560 our book club, we read Born a Crime by Trevor Noah. 95 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,320 I will give a little bit of a content warning on that. 96 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,160 There's some language and things in there, but Trevor Noah is a 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,440 famous comedian, and he was born in South Africa during 98 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,520 apartheid, and his mother was black and his father was white. 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,960 And so he talks a lot about language as something that 100 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,480 establishes your identity even more so than race, even more so 101 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,040 than your financial status, your class. 102 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,680 And for me, yeah, I agree. Like you guys heard in our 103 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,600 episode with Brandon Garcia, Scott made me speak a little 104 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,080 Spanish. I majored in Spanish. 105 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,680 So I have spent a lot of time thinking about language and it 106 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,400 is so interesting that it allows you to enter into a culture. 107 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,800 And, and I think it's also equally the thing that can 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,480 divide people and create distance and boundaries is not 109 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,120 really so much how you look, but how you sound. 110 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,680 Because if we can communicate with each other and understand 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,840 one another, then we're in the same tribe. 112 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:41,520 We're in the same group, we're the same people. 113 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,880 And so, and that's what James is teaching his children. 114 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:50,160 Like you can belong if you can communicate well with somebody. 115 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,000 Trevor Noah makes that same point of there's all of these 116 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,720 tribes in Africa that have different dialects and things, 117 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,240 and they don't like each other because of their history and 118 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,920 things. But if he can learn to speak 119 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,040 like a certain tribe, then they're like, we don't think 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,840 that you're with us, but like, you sound like us. 121 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,720 So OK, welcome. You know, you're here. 122 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,360 But it does give you access to the world, you know, and if I 123 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:21,080 can get give a little soapbox, like I always say that learning 124 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,480 language is the best way to love somebody because it is how you 125 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 look. And you say, I'm going to come 126 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,040 and meet you on your terms instead of expecting you to come 127 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,840 meet me on my terms, which of course is exactly what Jesus did 128 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,160 for us. He didn't say like you got to 129 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,160 get yourself together before you can get into heaven and come get 130 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,400 on my level. He's like, no, I will become 131 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,720 like you so that I can love you and care for you. 132 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:50,280 So big fan of language and yeah, personal Everett really just 133 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,640 accomplishes that so well in in the book, James. 134 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,320 So we encourage you guys to go read that one if you haven't 135 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,280 already. And then view of golden. 136 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,520 It's so sweet, like it's just really beautiful. 137 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,600 It's a great summer read because it's just kind of light hearted. 138 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,760 It's encouraging. It was helpful for me to kind of 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,560 inspire how to be creative with generosity. 140 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,920 So the premise is that you have the protagonist, Theo, who is 141 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,120 conveniently named. I realized about halfway through 142 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,840 the book that Theo, of course, means God. 143 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,680 And then you learn later on his full name is Theophilus, which 144 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,960 means friend of God or loved by God. 145 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,720 So I was like, very well done by the AHU there. 146 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,240 But he moves to a town and he sees all of these portraits on 147 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,559 the wall of a coffee shop of the local people, and they're done 148 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,120 by a local artist. And he decides that he's going 149 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,120 to buy them and give them to the people. 150 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,640 And every time he kind of sits down and bestows 1 to a person, 151 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,280 that word. Bestowal is so intentional 152 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,640 throughout the book, and it's very it's a. 153 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Formal word I'm. Going to bestow this upon you, 154 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,720 but it is a fascinating choice because it does because it kind 155 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,800 of captures the idea of benevolence and intentionality. 156 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,720 Not just like, oh, I picked up this thing for you. 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,960 It is this was mine and I am now giving it to you with purpose 158 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,040 and intention, out of a sense of benevolence and goodness. 159 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,520 And so it even just those little word choices are really. 160 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,720 Neat. Yeah. 161 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,320 And even in that episode that we just did, like, as you're 162 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,440 talking about, you sit down with your kids and have a family 163 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,840 meeting. I love that you call it that 164 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,280 before the EOC and you're like looking into their soul. 165 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,840 And you're like, I need to tell you something true about who you 166 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,760 are and your identity as an image bearer. 167 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,600 And it's really what Theo does as well. 168 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Like he hands him this portrait and he's like, I see that you 169 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,560 are a kind person and that you are hard working and that. 170 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:58,720 And he calls everyone kind of in the end, he's like, this person 171 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,760 is capable of saintliness, which is just beautiful. 172 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,960 You know, that he's just taking each person as an image bearer 173 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,920 and just speaking truth into them. 174 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,400 So that was just helpful for me to kind of think through like, 175 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,760 yeah, how can I be more creative in my generosity? 176 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,880 Like, it doesn't always have to be money. 177 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,520 And and I think there's something about overcoming the 178 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,360 little bit of awkwardness that we have as human beings where 179 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,600 it's like, gosh, that's a really deep thing. 180 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,760 And I've just met this person, but this is a worthy thing to 181 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,640 say. And if they don't receive it or 182 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,760 it's a little awkward, like, OK, you know, but that's God 183 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,200 especially has us as believers saying the things that people 184 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,040 don't say. And that does set us apart in 185 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,600 some ways. And I, I, it really connected 186 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,760 with me. Like he, he also asked people to 187 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,000 share their story with him and he kind of learned some things 188 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,280 about them. He creates that safe space. 189 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,800 And for me in my job where I get to work on life change stories 190 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,400 with our people. Like, I really feel that of I'm 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,840 calling someone up and, you know, a staff member has given 192 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,440 me their name. Deepest things. 193 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,920 That you have. Experienced. 194 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,680 Right. Their deepest, hardest thing and 195 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:13,480 I'm trying to make them feel safe, but it is such an honor. 196 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,520 I mean, I always say I have the best job on staff and I, I know 197 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,240 a lot of our staff get to do versions of it, but it's so 198 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,200 encouraging. And you do get to like look 199 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,200 people in their eyes and tell them, I need you to know that 200 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,160 this is how God thinks of you. So Sarah, I know you said that 201 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,520 you had read this one a little while back, but any any big 202 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,480 thoughts that come up about it? So I love a novel that gives me 203 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,040 a really strong sense of place. And that is something that's 204 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,280 really strong here. It's it's a fictional town, but 205 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,640 it's definitely, we were, we were like, oh, it makes you 206 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,040 think of like Savannah or, you know, some of a deep Southern 207 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,440 town. And so there's some really 208 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,680 beautiful description in there. One of my favorite things about 209 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,600 Theo is his curiosity. He every person he meets, he 210 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,680 wants to know their story. And it's not just out of a 211 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:11,880 desire to be entertained or anything like that. 212 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,440 He genuinely cares about people and wants to know, you know, 213 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,600 both the good and the hard things that they have 214 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,320 experienced. And that's part of kind of his 215 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,880 mission. And I think you use this word 216 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,360 earlier, Whitney, is that he is creative with his generosity. 217 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,800 It's not just like, oh, I'm going to send them a gift card 218 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,000 or I'm going to, you know, give more money to this to church or 219 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:43,200 to this nonprofit or whatever he thinks specifically about, you 220 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,680 know, how can I care for this individual? 221 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,720 And so to do that, he gets to know them in some really 222 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,520 interesting ways. So yeah, it's it's a beautiful 223 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,200 probably the best way I could describe it is kind of a series 224 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,320 of vignettes where he goes through this process. 225 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,080 It does. You know, I don't, I don't, I 226 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,000 hate to give away the ending. It does it, it does kind of all 227 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,000 come together at the end in a way that makes us think about 228 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,080 sacrifice. And I don't know how else to say 229 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,440 it. The true nature of generosity, 230 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,960 to deplete oneself for the good of another. 231 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,600 And that's something that God has called us to you. 232 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,160 So yeah, I thought it was it was a good book. 233 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,840 I I have to nerd out a little bit and don't come at me. 234 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,960 But like literally it is more. It doesn't have like, a super 235 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,760 strong plot or character development or some of those 236 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,400 things that I look for in a work of literature, but it still was 237 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,800 a really valuable, enjoyable read. 238 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Yeah, so hot take maybe. I agree. 239 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,360 I know it's it's a very beloved book. 240 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,840 I had like 10 people recommend it to me so I'm really. 241 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,200 I only give it four stars on Goodreads. 242 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,400 I know it's, it's very, it's very encouraging. 243 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,880 And I'll be honest sometimes, like I just want a book where 244 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,040 there's not like massive conflict and things like 245 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,560 sometimes it's just nice to read a sweet story and to feel 246 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:07,840 encouraged. Yeah. 247 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,640 I do think like my one critique is kind of like we were talking 248 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,240 about with James, how Percival Everett really takes pains to 249 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,000 write out the dialogue and he's really mirroring Mark Twain in 250 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,240 that to make you feel like you're in that environment and 251 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,480 you're just like in that world. Even though Theo Golden takes 252 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,880 place in the South, you know, there's one point where Theo is 253 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,800 like, oh, this is the first time I've heard someone use the word 254 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,200 ain't. And I'm like, oh, well, if 255 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,240 you're in the South, then we do say that a lot. 256 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,600 So there's again, a few things like that that suspend our 257 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,200 disbelief, but I certainly do not think that I could do 258 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,200 better. And I mean, this is Alan Levi's, 259 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,720 I believe, his first novel. And for a first novel, like it's 260 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,960 beautiful and incredible and the New York Times bestseller, so 261 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,120 and just really cool to see him pursue like representing the 262 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,280 gospel and like those themes in a way that is not. 263 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,160 Hugely. Overt and so I mean, I'm hopeful 264 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,000 that, you know, somebody will pick this up and really get to 265 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,360 hear the heart of the gospel in a new way. 266 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,560 We have some more thoughts, so please come find us and. 267 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,600 Yeah, we want to hear what you think. 268 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,320 Yes, for all of these, send us emails or reach out in the 269 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,920 comments. And like we'd love to just, we 270 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,000 love talking about books. Please continue to engage us and 271 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,920 tell us what you think. Tell us your critiques. 272 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Tell us if you think that we're wrong. 273 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,080 We'd love that too. So thanks guys. 274 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,000 We'll see you next time on the Grace Church Podcast.