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With the neurosurgeon whose near
death experience exposed him and

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the world to transcendent 
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of his own soul. 
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When the show ends, the 
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started. 
Doctor Even Alexander was a 

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successful neurosurgeon, a 
scientist trained on the 

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geography of the brain and in 
the science that believes the 

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brain's complex systems work to 
produce conscious experience. 

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He was a physicalist and expert 
in the supposed mechanisms of 

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mind, and a surgeon capable of 
penetrating physical layers to 

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perform reparative interventions
on the most complex organ in the

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known universe. 
Then his own brain got switched 

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off and that silence produced by
a deadly case of bacterial 

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meningoencephalitis. 
The world dissolved and the 

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doctor was launched on a journey
of spiritual discovery. 

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That adventure has since 
rearranged his worldview and 

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inspired millions of people 
through the sale of his best 

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selling books and the hundreds 
of interviews that followed in 

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their wake. 
When a man trained and how the 

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brain responds to trauma and 
approaching death is suddenly 

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thrust into the heart of a 
profound near death experience, 

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we're all blessed with a unique 
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whether those experiences are to
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He understood the processes that
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phases of dysfunction and the 
lack of a coherent signal, but 

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what he experienced belied those
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A hyper real space suffused with
love full of beings and the 

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radiant sense of belonging from 
a worms eye view of being to 

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what ultimately seemed like the 
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existence. 
The Doctor's journey was an 

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odyssey of spirit that left him 
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He survived the meningitis 
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He achieved a full recovery and 
began the revelatory task of 

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processing his experience and 
sharing his new found insight 

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with the world. 
And today, he's here with us. 

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It's an honor to have him on the
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Well, James, it's a joy to be 
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Thanks so much for having me on.
No problem, it's my absolute 

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pleasure. 
As I mentioned to you before the

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show started, I've been covering
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spiritual experiences to near 
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And I think a lot of these 
phenomenon are hinting at the 

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same neighboring reality that 
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various guises over, you know, 
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Your book dropped like a bomb, I
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because you're obviously a 
trained medical professional 

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with a deep, intimate knowledge 
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And yet despite what you knew, 
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behaving, you had this 
experience that seems 

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absolutely, you know, 
miraculous. 

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So maybe we can just start 
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I know you've told the story a 
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But for viewers who may not be 
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us what happened to you and then
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went and when you had this 
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Sure. 
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out, as you did in the 
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in a very scientific family, my 
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And note the word adoption, 
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put up for adoption at age 11 
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unwed, is a very, very important
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But at any rate, I was adopted 
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That father was a mentor, 
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and he was very scientific, 
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cosmology and all that, and yet 
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pocket Bible that he took with 
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1/2 years overseas. 
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Psalms tucked in his pocket and 
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in God and power prayer that 
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pretty much unscathed. 
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neurosurgical training program 
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scientific and healing 
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But like many of us who grew up 
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But like so many other people, I
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Newtonian deterministic science 
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opposed to realizing that when 
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nature of reality, you need to 
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to even begin to understand 
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physics for more than a century 
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mind is fundamental compared to 
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So anyway, that's kind of the 
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I wanted to believe what I've 
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Church in North Carolina all 
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to church. 
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working as a neurosurgeon, I was
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How in the world could conscious
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the brain and body was a big 
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That's why I think I needed a 
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And that's what happened to me 
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suddenly, out of the blue, at 
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Horrific back pain, headache, 
soon grand Mal seizures, deep in

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coma. 
There's a a falsehood out there 

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perpetrated by an irresponsible 
writer that tried to claim I was

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in a medically induced coma. 
Nothing could be further from 

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the truth. 
This was a meningitis induced 

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coma. 
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difference to the medical 
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a perfect model for human death.
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the brain, the neocorteur, the 
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bit of detailed conscious human 
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And in fact, in my case, the 
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damning. 
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and seven. 
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and any and and a corpse gets a 
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So 5-6 and seven are pretty bad 
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reflex. 
All the features are mentioned 

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in a medical case report of my 
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reports very important for 
anybody trying to understand the

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the depth and the power of my 
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Case report was written by three
doctors not involved in my care 

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but fascinated by my recovery. 
Case report is published in a 

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journal of Nervous mental 
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The important things to get 
about the case report is any 

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physician who reads it will 
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that they're describing, my 
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any kind of dream or 
hallucination, much less this 

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profound extraordinary spiritual
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And even a deeper mystery is how
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it? 
My doctors estimated I went from

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10% chance of survival early in 
the week down to a 2% survival 

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by day 7 of coma on the 
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And that that's when they were 
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the antibiotics, take him off 
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We need to let him go because he
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recovery. 
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They actually recommended that 
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Yeah, that's what was going on. 
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ventilator and there was 
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that when I started fighting the
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this world. 
But at any rate, So what I want 

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to do is share with you what 
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and also eat into what I was 
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woke up because it's not what 
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My brain was still horribly 
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But the important point I'm 
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that the the peer review editors
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challenged the authors and said 
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It's unprecedented in the 
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Somebody this I'll from E coli 
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make a full recovery after a 
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you know, neurologic findings. 
How do you explain it? 

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And they said it's because he 
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That's what allowed for this 
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And that's the place where 
people, and that's where the 

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scientific review editors, 
actors are showing a tremendous 

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wisdom just because it doesn't 
fit the materialist model, you 

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know, they were running with it 
because they recognize this is 

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an absolutely extraordinary 
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It need to be out there. 
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There is AI would point out that
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minimize your case. 
Like I read through the article 

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on there and they quote someone 
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coma. 
But I've read your books and 

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I've had heard you on other 
interviews sort of make the case

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that that is not true. 
Well, so I appreciate you 

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clarifying that. 
Well, the reality is there is a 

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Gestapo bunch of editors in 
Wikipedia whose job it is, is to

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stomp out any hint of 
spirituality anywhere out there 

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with a scientific basis to it. 
So they were stomping all over 

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my case. 
So to me, Wikipedia is a 

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laughable entry. 
I mean, it's just pathetic, but 

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that's what you expect from a 
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or Harry can come in and make an
edit to it, and you get these 

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militant editors who don't do 
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forget it. 
It's it's. 

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They're trying to enforce a 
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That's all they're doing. 
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interested in. 
The, you know, the last laugh is

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going to be on them because they
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they're willfully ignoring a 
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So that's their own problem. 
I'm not worried about them, but 

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I am worried about people who 
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well, now I understand Evan 
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to for the next case. 
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horrible, you know, anyway. 
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conversations like this will 
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And I, I've talked to a lot of 
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moved by your experience. 
So your legacy, I think is is 

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intact. 
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somebody writes my obituary they
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I think we can all say that. 

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Yeah, really. 
Well, anyway, let me get back to

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what was going on in this coma. 
Important to point out, there 

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was one very atypical feature of
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about when they hear this. 
And I, I, I tell you, don't 

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worry. 
You don't have to be concerned 

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about amnesia. 
I had a complete amnesia. 

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I mean, I had no knowledge of 
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certainly no memories of Evan 
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All my language was gone. 
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tried to explain that amnesia as
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consequence of my prior belief 
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brain. 
I, I in our third book, Living 

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in Mind for Universe, we talked 
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finally come to realize that 
long term memories are not 

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stored in the brain. 
They can't be based on all the 

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operations we've done, etcetera.
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stored there. 
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initial assumption to explain 
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But I think the amnesia was 
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deeper kind of lesson about the 
brain, mind, nature of memory, 

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nature of consciousness, their 
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Because my journey definitely 
gave me a whole different view 

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of how all of that is 
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together. 
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I found myself in what I call 
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Now I never had a body image of 
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during any part of this journey.
I was simply a speck of 

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awareness. 
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began in the earthworms eye view
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dirty jello, kind of like roots 
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It was kind of a noxious, 
foreboding sounding place, and 

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yet I knew nothing else. 
So to me, hey, this is it. 

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I accepted it and just thought, 
this is the way the world works.

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But then there came a slowly 
spinning white light out of that

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murky darkness, and it had fine 
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around it, and it was spinning 
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Because I use sound in the form 
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is a form of binaural beat, 
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into deep transcendental states.
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more than 13 years now to help 
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relationships with this profound
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near death experience. 
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spinning light turns into a 
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this kind of ugly earthworm. 
I view realm up into a rich, 

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ultra real gateway valley. 
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kind of get into the NDE world. 
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out that's where we would 
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loved ones, where we go through 
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incarnations, the challenges and
hardships and all that that we 

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wanted for the kind of soul 
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for is higher souls. 
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realm. 
That's the important fact. 

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I can discuss much later of life
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us so much about all of that. 
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beautiful gateway valley, it had
many earth like features, but it

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was also a very rich and 
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I often say it was like Plato's 
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individual soul. 
It's kind of a world of 

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templates of potential 
perfections and potentialities 

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so that we can bring into our 
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this. 
I'm sorry, did you? 

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I said, yeah, I was just 
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Go ahead. 
I'm enjoying it so much. 

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OK. 
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awareness on a butterfly wing. 
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in in witnessing all that was 
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There were millions of other 
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looping and spiraling in these 
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rivers of pure color. 
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I mean, the beauty of the scene 
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abilities to try and describe 
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There was this tremendous 
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There was this Meadow down below
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beings in the Meadow, dancing, 
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playing, dog jumping, incredible
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of angelic choirs who were 
emanating chants and anthems, 

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hymns that would just Thunder 
through my awareness with this 

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incredible sense of of kind of 
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like home. 
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familiarity that resonated with 
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Proof of Heaven. 
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thousands of people reached out 
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their own journeys, because it's
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allowed them to remember 
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suppressed or was subconscious, 
but now it became part of their 

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journey. 
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are so common that I think 
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up very rapidly to that 
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I remember there was a point 
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butterfly wing, witnesses all 
these incredible joy and 

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merriment and festivity. 
When I witnessed a soft summer 

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breeze. 
It blew through. 

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breath of God or divine wind. 
It was my first knowing in that 

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amnesic state of the presence of
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creative God force. 
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so many near death experiencers.
In fact, more than 90% of near 

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death experiencers over 
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belief systems, many previously 
atheist diagnostic, but more 

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than 90% of them come back to 
this world, not just believing 

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in, but knowing in the reality 
of this loving, intelligent 

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force at the core of the 
universe that seems used to have

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a personal interest in them. 
That's what that interaction, 

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interaction of the near death 
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And that's what I was just 
beginning to discover this. 

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that loving God force was so 

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comforting. 
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this is that I wasn't alone. 
On the butterfly wing there was 

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a beautiful young woman, my 
spiritual guide. 

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She had sparkling blue eyes, 
high cheekbones, my forehead, 

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broad smile. 
She looked at me with a look of 

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pure love. 
She never had to say a word, but

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her reality, her knowing, her 
deep lesson to me that came into

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my mind as a pure conceptual 
mind meld flow that I converted 

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into translated into words many 
weeks later. 

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The message was you are deeply 
loved and cherished forever. 

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You have nothing to fear. 
You're richly cared for. 

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You can do no wrong. 
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had explained better in the book
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people misinterpret that and 
they haven't figured out that 

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we've got into this incredible 
realm of light and love where if

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you've ever done any greedy, 
selfish things, hurt other 

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people, etcetera, it looks 
especially bad in that light. 

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So in other words, the more we 
align with light, love, 

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kindness, compassion, and mercy,
the more we have an effortless 

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flow through that level of the 
spiritual realm. 

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But if we've been handing out a 
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others, that can end up looking 
a lot like hell. 

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And that's a discussion we can 
get into shortly in Life 

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Reviews. 
But anyway, getting back to my 

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journey, that message to me was 
so complete and pure and 

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comforting and refreshing. 
I cannot tell you how much that 

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kind of liberated me on this 
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And it was then that I remember 
those angelic fires above the 

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music, the chants and hymns 
would then become yet another 

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portal. 
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dimensional space-time, which 
were you could vaguely sense 

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beneath the spiritual level, all
of that collapsing down. 

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And then all of this rich 
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valley with all of its kind of 
eternal access to all the 

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eventualities of our lives and 
how they all contribute to each 

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other. 
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lesson when you can see it all 
simultaneously like that. 

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That's one of the reasons Ndes 
are described as ineffable or 

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beyond our language is we really
don't have a good way of 

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describing that kind of overview
of of the events of our lives 

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and potentialities, the kind of 
soul lessons, all of that kind 

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of thing. 
So at any rate, all of that 

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collapsed out and I was 
ascending to another light 

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portal and that led me up into 
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The core was an infinite inky 
blackness. 

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It was filled to overflowing 
with an ocean of unconditional 

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love of the creator for the 
creation that God force. 

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Important to point out, the God 
force is not something that 

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judges us in those realms, but 
it, it really kind of provides 

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that assurance that the highest 
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love and light and passion are 
something we can accomplish the 

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more we align with that force. 
And So what would happen is 

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every time I entered that core 
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you're not here to stay. 
You'll be going back. 

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We'll teach you many things 
again, not as words, but as pure

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conceptual flow that I've been 
translated into words as I was 

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trying to record all this weeks 
later. 

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And in the core realm, there 
were many lessons, and in fact 

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one of them I'll get to in a 
minute, but I have to explain 

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that I would also. 
Stumble back down from that 

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realm, all the way back to where
it all began. 

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That earth were my view. 
And by remembering the musical 

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notes of the melody, going 
through that musical cadence in 

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my mind, I would conjure up the 
light portal and it led me up 

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again. 
And I went through that journey 

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many times with many lessons at 
all the different levels, but 

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that was kind of the general 
backdrop of what I was going 

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through. 
And all of it, importantly, 

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seemed way too real to be real. 
This world is very murky and 

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dreamlike by comparison. 
That's one thing where I think 

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some people who haven't had an 
NDE kind of missed the missed 

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the point. 
They think that Ndes must be 

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vague and murky. 
No, not, not that world. 

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That's why it serves as such a 
perfect kind of ideal world for 

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all of us. 
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meditation, centering prayer are
so important. 

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At any rate, I would go through 
these multiple levels multiple 

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times. 
I'd even come to think that all 

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I had to do was go back to the 
earth. 

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From my view, that's what they 
meant by you're not here to 

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stay. 
But there came a point after 

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several passages through these 
levels where I could no longer 

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conjure up that musical melody 
that would lead to a light 

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portal taking me up to the 
gateway valley. 

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And to say I was sad at that 
point would be an 

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understatement. 
But also, no, I could trust. 

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I knew I I would be taken care 
of. 

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I've been promised that every 
time by that beautiful guardian 

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Angel. 
And that was a message. 

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It was greatly reinforced in the
core realm. 

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And I remember one of the very 
last passages through the core, 

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I had one of the most fantastic 
visions, and this is one that's 

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taken years to unravel. 
But that vision was one, I used 

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to call it the Indra's net 
vision, because that was a term 

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borrowed from Hindu cosmology, 
but it doesn't really match 

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perfectly. 
And and what I saw in this 

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vision in the core were these 
interwoven threads. 

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And there was this beautiful web
and weave to their structure. 

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And they all contributed and LED
to this golden center, kind of a

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perfect horizon. 
And the way I interpreted that 

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after, you know, years of 
meditation and, and trying to 

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make sense of the vision as it 
occurred to me, is it so those 

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interwoven threads are our lives
of so a lifetime and then a 

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death. 
And then going through life 

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review, going through the 
between lives phase where we 

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reunite with souls of departed 
loved ones and have these 

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beautiful connections and then 
plan next to, you know, soul a 

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transformation, dive in. 
And then, but we come back again

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and again. 
That's the important thing. 

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And I, before my coma, I had no 
scientific knowledge of 

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reincarnation and thought there 
was no such thing. 

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But since then, I've learned 
about a lot of the work, for 

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example, done at University of 
Virginia, where they've studied 

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more than 2500 cases, past life 
memories over the last 65 years.

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And of those 2500 plus, they've 
solved more than 1700. 

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That is, they've actually found 
the person who lived before. 

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And when you start reading that 
literature out at University of 

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Virginia and anybody can get it,
go to UVADOP, s.org, University 

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of Virginia Division of 
Perceptual Studies, dot. 

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Org description for folks. 
Good. 

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We'll. 
So at any rate, and that's where

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you start finding a lot of this 
information. 

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But to me and reading through 
that work from Ian Stevenson, 

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who did it originally and then 
Jim Tucker more recently, it's 

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absolutely overwhelming. 
Reincarnation is part of the 

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human condition. 
Period. 

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There's, there's even, there's 
even descriptions of people who 

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died of a particular kind of 
wound and then they're 

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reincarnated soul is born and 
their scars precisely where that

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that wound occurred on the 
previous incarnation. 

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You're just. 
Absolutely. 

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Like, yeah, I mean, you can't 
argue with that. 

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I forgot the figure in Ian 
Stevenson's original series, but

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it was somewhere between 20 and 
35% of the cases had the exact 

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birth wounds that you're talking
about that corresponded to the 

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mortal wound of the previous 
lifetime. 

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I mean, it's absolutely 
astonishing stuff. 

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But the other thing to get, as 
Stevenson and Tucker will tell 

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you, is you must harvest these 
memories from the children 

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before age 6 or 7, because 
usually, not always, but usually

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after that, these memories are 
covered over. 

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So by age 8 or 9, children don't
remember past lives. 

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Even the ones who've been 
heavily written about, they 

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don't remember it anymore. 
It's a process I call programmed

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forgetting and that is that for 
whatever reason, there's some 

453
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,160
some pieces of knowledge that 
are not supposed to be conveyed 

454
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,720
necessarily by a given soul at a
given level of development. 

455
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,520
I would just put it that way. 
And that's why most of us don't 

456
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,680
have memories of past lives and 
between lives, although they can

457
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,120
be readily recovered through 
hypnotic progression, through 

458
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,040
meditation, through having a 
near death experience, are many 

459
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,440
ways that past life memories can
be uncovered. 

460
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,920
And in my own case, I know I've 
uncovered many of them through 

461
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,400
using Sacred acoustics.com, 
binaural beat, brain wave 

462
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,600
entrainment. 
But at any rate, the you know, 

463
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:35,560
the, the way this all unfolded 
was I had that incredible vision

464
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,720
that I now call the living 
tapestry. 

465
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800
And the thing that's very 
important to point out about 

466
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,560
that living tapestry vision, 
which I think aligns with a lot 

467
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,480
of other kind of NDE type 
account, is this is not the same

468
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,000
interpretation of reincarnation,
for example, that you get out of

469
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,400
Buddhism. 
Because there it's about getting

470
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,880
off the the the wheel of 
suffering, you know, ending that

471
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,880
kind of chain of multiple 
incarnations to get away from 

472
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,760
the suffering. 
Whereas in fact, the vision I 

473
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,640
had is far more kind of brace 
filled and promising, especially

474
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,560
because of that golden center. 
It's like all of this effort of 

475
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,720
sentient beings living these 
lives and going through this 

476
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
kind of slow approach through 
multiple lifetimes towards that 

477
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,080
oneness with the divine and more
complete understanding of the 

478
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,840
nature of the universe. 
And given that we're all sharing

479
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,880
the mind of the universe, that's
what our mission is in existence

480
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,960
is know thyself, but basically 
know the mind of the universe 

481
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,800
and. 
That's like filaments of God 

482
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,160
going out into creation to know 
its own self. 

483
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,240
Basically, which is also leading
somewhere. 

484
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,600
That's the important thing. 
I think the best of phrase I 

485
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,680
would use to describe the 
philosophical position is 

486
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,640
evolutionary panentheism. 
You know, pantheism, the notion 

487
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,360
that God force a unified mind, 
is shared amongst all of us. 

488
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,760
The brain serves as a filter 
transceiver that dissociates a 

489
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,640
little Eddy current of that God 
mind that we use. 

490
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,000
But you can show through all the
effects of parapsychology that 

491
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,720
our mind is not as much ours as 
we'd like to believe. 

492
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Telepathy, for example, occurs 
in 35% of identical twins. 

493
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,800
Gileon Playfair wrote a 
beautiful book called Twin 

494
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,440
Telepathy about all of that 
phenomenon from his scientific 

495
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,720
research. 
And remote viewing is one of the

496
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,960
most kind of proven fields of 
kind of non local consciousness.

497
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,600
And in this world, remote 
viewing has been around since 

498
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,680
the, you know, the mid and late 
20th century. 

499
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,760
I love, you know, there are 
plenty of stories of remote 

500
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,720
viewing with intelligence 
communities like spying on 

501
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,600
others, etcetera. 
But I love some of the big 

502
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,040
stories. 
For example, Ingo Swann, who is 

503
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,520
a very renowned remote viewer 
back in the 70s, was able to 

504
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,200
remote view the blue ring of 
Jupiter six years before the 

505
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Voyager spacecraft saw the blue 
ring of Jupiter. 

506
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,440
So we confirmed it by science, 
yes. 

507
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Exactly. 
And Stefan Schwartz, who's a 

508
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,800
friend of mine, he's done a lot 
of work using remote viewing and

509
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,560
archaeological digs. 
In fact, of course, our our 

510
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,720
friend Wikipedia says remote 
viewing is pseudoscience, but 

511
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,720
that's because Wikipedia is a 
pseudo encyclopedia. 

512
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Jessica Utz, who was the head of
the American Statistical 

513
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,160
Association in 2015, gave a 
beautiful presidential address 

514
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,000
to thousands of fellow 
scientists and statisticians 

515
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,320
from around the world where she 
said that after studying more 

516
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,480
than 20 years worth of data on 
remote viewing and on 

517
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,760
precognition, that those effects
were proven beyond any 

518
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,480
reasonable doubt from a 
scientific perspective. 

519
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,880
So anyway, it's. 
I believe she also said that if 

520
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,240
it were any other science, the 
question would be dropped by 

521
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,840
now, like we've established it 
by by statistical analysis. 

522
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,200
But because it's, you know, 
rejected knowledge, you know, we

523
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680
won't accept it, which. 
Is, well, another, another 

524
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,400
interesting part of that story 
is she also asked the assembled 

525
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,080
audience what would change your 
mind, more data or a personal 

526
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,840
experience? 
And their answer in large 

527
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,400
numbers was a resoundingly 
personal experience. 

528
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,560
In other words, they're they're 
kind of bored looking through 

529
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,520
the data, or maybe they'd never 
studied the data. 

530
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,680
They wanted to have their own 
personal experience. 

531
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,200
And I can certainly understand 
that fact. 

532
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Sacred Acoustics is a wonderful 
way to start getting into that 

533
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,200
personal experience. 
Well, that's the, I mean, you 

534
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,360
know, it's like one of the 
things that challenges I think 

535
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,640
that we're going to face moving 
forward is if people are wedded 

536
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,880
to the materialistic worldview 
and we're going to need a way 

537
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,040
to, you know, engender that 
experience and, and other folks 

538
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,800
for them to understand the 
reality of it all. 

539
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Well, that's a very good point. 
And also again, another topic we

540
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
can get into in more detail in a
few minutes if you'd like. 

541
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,640
But it has to do with 
psychedelics because a lot of 

542
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,960
people in the current era are, 
for example, signing up for 

543
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,400
ayahuasca retreats and using a 
psilocybin and LSD and things 

544
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000
like that. 
And I'm very happy that that's 

545
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200
all back in the world of 
scientific research. 

546
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,800
But my advice to the average 
person is that meditation will 

547
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,720
be a much more reliable way of 
getting you where you want to go

548
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,920
in spiritual journeying compared
to the psychedelics. 

549
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,560
And that that comes from my own 
personal experience and kind of 

550
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,760
understanding of this and a lot 
of what I've witnessed in the 

551
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,960
last few years. 
But the the meditation is a very

552
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,960
powerful way to get there. 
And in fact, I think the key 

553
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,400
goal of both of them, what's 
been revealed in scientific 

554
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,840
papers in recent years, is that 
the interesting thing about 

555
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,120
psychedelics like psilocybin 
magic mushrooms, is that the 

556
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,440
brain under the influence of 
those substances goes dark. 

557
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,040
The brain gets out of the way. 
The default mode network, which 

558
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,160
is something that we can 
visualize in the brain with 

559
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,880
magnetoencephalography, with 
functional MRI. 

560
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,440
That network, which is 
supposedly the network that is 

561
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,320
most active in our kind of ego 
daydreaming, eyes closed, no 

562
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,520
particular task state, that 
network dissolves under the 

563
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,560
influence of psilocybin, LSD, 
DMT, etcetera. 

564
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,800
They all. 
And that's an ego dissolution, 

565
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,720
which I think is where the power
comes from. 

566
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,120
So many of us live our lives, 
the little ego, the voice in the

567
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,560
head of running our lives and 
all the kind of fear and 

568
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,200
anxiety. 
The ego uses its tools and 

569
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,960
ultimately that's not who we 
are. 

570
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920
And so for psychedelics to turn 
off that ego network is very 

571
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,880
important, especially when you 
acknowledge that also in long 

572
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,640
term meditators, you can readily
demonstrate with the same 

573
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,560
imaging techniques that in deep 
meditation, those default mode 

574
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,160
networks disappear. 
So it's it's there's a lot of 

575
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,520
commonality and from my 
experience with a lot of people 

576
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,840
in our workshops and things like
that and that we've met who have

577
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,480
been big fans of ayahuasca and 
other psychedelics in general, I

578
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,000
think maybe a trip is OK. 
But I think anybody who's 

579
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,960
depended on multiple trips, I 
kind of wonder, you know, if 

580
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,120
they're really going to make the
kind of progress they think 

581
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,920
they're going to make. 
And my advice is go mainly with 

582
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,640
meditation. 
There's there's clarity there, 

583
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,640
I'm sure that you, you might not
get when you're under the 

584
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320
influence of, you know, 
psychedelic drugs where that 

585
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,000
experience might get, you know, 
that sort of refracted through 

586
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,680
the chemicals. 
Right. 

587
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,320
And, and also, if people have 
any kind of of ragged, kind of 

588
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,840
unkempt edges around there, you 
know, when they're kind of 

589
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,280
spiritual or mental selves, 
those things can unravel pretty 

590
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,720
quickly with a powerful dose of 
psychedelics. 

591
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,800
So I'm not as big a fan there. 
I do like the work, for example,

592
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,840
of Christopher Bache. 
He did 73 those LSD trips and I 

593
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,040
think he had a very disciplined 
approach as a as a professor and

594
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,040
and he's written some beautiful 
summaries of that kind. 

595
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,600
In the Mind of God, I think is 
one of his books and it's. 

596
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Absolutely From heaven. 
Yeah, that's the subtitle. 

597
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,880
It's a it's a great book. 
He's I also love his book Dark 

598
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,560
Night, Early Dawn. 
That book was written back in 

599
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,760
the 90s and one reason I I love 
it is chapter 5 in that book is 

600
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:18,000
actually a direct head to That 
is, Bob and Roe did a lot of 

601
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,720
work without a body experiences 
using vinyl beat brain wave 

602
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,280
entrainment similar to but not 
as powerful as Sacred Acoustics.

603
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,040
But he compared it with his own 
work using high dose LSD. 

604
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,680
And at least in that particular 
chapter, he was very favorably 

605
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,040
impressed with how far Bob 
Monroe had been able to go with 

606
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920
with binaural beat brain wave 
entrainment. 

607
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,360
So I I think and in from my 
perspective, as I said, I think 

608
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,280
the binaural beats are an 
incredibly powerful way to get 

609
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,920
deep into transcendental states 
of conscious awareness. 

610
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760
So at any rate, should I get 
back to my story or? 

611
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Yeah, yeah, let's let's get back
to your story. 

612
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,560
Whatever. 
Yeah, let's finish it up, 

613
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,880
please. 
I'll. 

614
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Move it along. 
So anyway, that living tapestry 

615
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,840
was kind of the last major 
lesson of my journey. 

616
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,960
And so I find myself in this 
earthworm I view. 

617
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,480
I can no longer conjure up the 
musical port portals up in the 

618
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,440
higher levels of light. 
And that's when I saw thousands 

619
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,960
of beings going off around in 
the distance, heads bowed 

620
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,880
somewhere holding candles, this 
murmuring energy coming from me,

621
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,760
from them. 
But because of my amnesia, I 

622
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,920
still couldn't understand any of
that murmuring. 

623
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,080
But it brought me great comfort,
which was surprising because now

624
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,639
it's back in that earth from my 
view, and I'm getting all this 

625
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,239
tremendous comfort from these 
beings. 

626
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,960
And that's when I had the final 
vision of my NDE that was of six

627
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,800
faces that bubbled up out of the
muck. 

628
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Five of them were people who 
were physically present in the 

629
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,560
ICU room the last 24 to 48 hours
of coma. 

630
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,280
And importantly, there were many
family and friends there earlier

631
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,639
in the week who are not my 
memory. 

632
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,360
So those faces served as what 
are called vertical time 

633
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,120
anchors. 
They helped me to understand 

634
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,280
that the vast majority of the 
coma journey had to happen 

635
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,400
between days one and four or one
and five of the seven day coma. 

636
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,880
And I explained all the details 
of that in the book Proof of 

637
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,760
Heaven and in Living in the Mind
for Universe. 

638
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,400
At any rate, it was the 6th face
that really got my attention. 

639
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,840
That was the face of a 10 year 
old boy. 

640
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,160
And I didn't recognize him at 
the time, but it was my son, 

641
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,400
Bond. 
They had protected Bond from the

642
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,120
worst news during this week. 
But that Sunday morning, Day 7, 

643
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,080
when they held the conference 
saying I'd gone from 10% to 2% 

644
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,960
chance of survival, no chance of
recovery, he realized they 

645
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,560
hadn't told him the whole truth.
And now it was much worse than 

646
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,280
he thought. 
He came running down the 

647
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,600
hallway, pulls open. 
My eyelids were tape shut when I

648
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,080
looking there. 
When I looking over there, 

649
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,040
neither pupil working. 
Anybody in medicine knows that's

650
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,040
a horrible picture, and I'm 
certain I did not see him with 

651
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,880
my eyes or hear him with my ears
because I was far too gone from 

652
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,680
this world. 
But deep in that spiritual 

653
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,120
realm, I could sense his 
pleading Daddy are gonna be OK, 

654
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Daddy are gonna be OK. 
As if somehow that would make it

655
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,240
so. 
And throughout this entire 

656
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:02,280
journey, I had thought, this can
all continue and can cease. 

657
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,360
Doesn't matter because my 
amnesia indicated no connection 

658
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,320
or responsibility to any other 
soul. 

659
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,400
But now with that face and that 
pleading from Bond, all of a 

660
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,360
sudden it mattered and was 
probably the most terrifying 

661
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,040
moment of the entire journey 
because now a realm I didn't 

662
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400
understand at all, I had to some
way navigate my way back to help

663
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,200
him with whatever it was he 
needed so deeply and and much. 

664
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,560
And that's what brought me back 
to this world. 

665
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,600
And I don't have any kind of 
specific memory of entering my 

666
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,280
body except that I was 
struggling against the 

667
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,320
ventilator and fighting the 
ventilator. 

668
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,520
And that's when they pulled out 
the tube and I said thank you. 

669
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,320
Now, at that time, my brain was 
still very impacted by the 

670
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,440
meningitis and this amnesia. 
In fact, my mother, my sisters, 

671
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,200
my sons at the bedside, I still 
didn't recognize who those 

672
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120
beings were. 
All I knew was that incredible 

673
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,520
journey that I've just been on, 
that weakened coma that seemed 

674
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,760
like months or years of the 
spiritual journey. 

675
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,720
And I remember early on, the 
first few days, trying to 

676
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,000
explain it to my doctors, and 
they were just shocked I was 

677
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,920
even coming back. 
They would pat me on the back 

678
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,880
and say, well, thank God you're 
coming back. 

679
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,280
Your brain was soaking in pus. 
We don't even know how you're 

680
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,000
coming back. 
But you can forget about it 

681
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,160
because the dying brain plays 
all kinds of tricks. 

682
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,000
And that's why it's important we
have that medical case report 

683
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,600
because a deep dive by experts 
showed a much more dire 

684
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,840
circumstance going on with my 
brain, even though my doctors 

685
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,040
had no expectation that I 
recover. 

686
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,400
They were like, wow, who? 
We don't understand it, but at 

687
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,040
least it's happening. 
And it took me about two months 

688
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,680
to get all my memories back. 
I spent 36 hours after 

689
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,400
excavation kind of in and out of
a paranoid, delusional, 

690
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,080
psychotic nightmare. 
But at any rate, the interesting

691
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,840
thing is the nightmare visions, 
I knew they were delusions when 

692
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
they happen. 
And that's very different from 

693
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,080
the deep coma experience, the 
spiritual. 

694
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,280
Quality was totally different, 
like there's yeah, reality 

695
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040
versus brain induced. 
Absolutely. 

696
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Illusion. 
Or whatever. 

697
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Yeah, and, and it was and also 
those memories were much more 

698
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,120
resilient. 
The spiritual memories of the 

699
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,360
deep coma are as sharp today as 
if it all happened yesterday. 

700
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Whereas the memories of the ICU 
psychosis, I'm glad I wrote all 

701
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,240
of that down way back in those 
early weeks because those 

702
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,040
memories disappeared within a 
few weeks. 

703
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,880
So a very different quality to 
their their nature and kind of 

704
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,520
all of that. 
But the bottom line is that's my

705
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,440
story. 
I've spent 18 years as a 

706
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,720
scientists, working with other 
scientists around the world as 

707
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,080
well as thousands of other 
experiencers trying to make 

708
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,760
sense of it all. 
There's no question we are in a 

709
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,880
tremendous scientific 
revolution, a paradigm shift 

710
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,320
that is unprecedented, but in 
many ways fascinating that some 

711
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,360
of the deepest messages coming 
from this journey and from the 

712
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,120
scientific revelations are 
oneness, unity, and the binding 

713
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,840
force of the love. 
So in many ways we're just 

714
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,920
returning like that TS Eliot 
poem where, you know, at the end

715
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,160
of the long poem, you get back 
to where you started. 

716
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,840
We find out, well, we're, we've 
always been right there at the 

717
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,520
beginning anyway, and we're just
getting into this deep wisdom 

718
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,280
through the scientific 
investigation of ND ES and 

719
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,400
consciousness. 
And yet, ultimately, we're 

720
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,120
getting into the same kind of 
truth that spiritual leaders 

721
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,640
have known for thousands of 
years. 

722
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,360
Yeah. 
I mean, it's, it's basically the

723
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,560
perennial philosophy that, you 
know, has been sort of winding 

724
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,840
its way through various human 
religious ideas for for 

725
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,720
thousands of years. 
And you're absolutely. 

726
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Right. 
It's comforting that it's, it's,

727
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,480
there's a, you know, deep truth 
to that, I think. 

728
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,400
I, I agree and it's, it's, it's 
just fascinating that this is 

729
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,240
kind of where it's all coming 
and people can get to their own 

730
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,200
discovery of this through 
personal experience, through 

731
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,960
meditation, through going 
within. 

732
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,240
This is one of the reasons why 
Karen Newell and I, she's the 

733
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,560
co-author of my, of the book 
living in the mind for universe,

734
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,760
our third book. 
And also Karen's my wife. 

735
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,720
She's my partner in this work 
and she's also the Co founder of

736
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,240
Sacred acoustics.com. 
So Full disclosure. 

737
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,160
Anyway, it's been an incredible 
journey and I'd love to 

738
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,800
entertain any kind of comments 
or questions you might have. 

739
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Yeah. 
No, I know I have several. 

740
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,640
You mentioned life reviews. 
Can we talk a little bit about 

741
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480
what your life review consisted 
of and then how the experience 

742
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,880
might be different for different
folks? 

743
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,640
I mean, is there, you mentioned 
that there may be sort of a 

744
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,760
hellish kind of perspective 
people get depending on the 

745
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,240
lives they LED before they 
before they passed. 

746
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,680
I think it's important to point 
out because of my amnesia, I did

747
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,320
not have an Eben Alexander life 
review, but I saw life reviews 

748
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,080
in very grand form, especially 
in that living tapestry vision. 

749
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,880
There was no way to escape both 
reincarnation and life reviews 

750
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,080
in that incredible vision I had 
in my last passage through the 

751
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,400
core. 
So that's the important kind of 

752
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,320
disclaimer about Evan 
Alexander's life review. 

753
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,560
I could, I really couldn't have 
one. 

754
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,240
But of course, I also had some 
incredible features in my 

755
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,280
journey. 
The very identity of my guardian

756
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,800
Angel was, was deeply tied to my
life and had to do with my birth

757
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,520
family and adoptive history. 
So life reviews are, you know, 

758
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,240
an incredibly important part of 
this and also reincarnation. 

759
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,400
As I said, the life review is 
really just a natural course 

760
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,200
correction so that we don't have
to necessarily repeat all the 

761
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,200
lessons that went unlearned in 
this life, but we have an 

762
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,880
opportunity to kind of Polish it
off a bit before we dive into 

763
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,480
the next incarnation. 
And that's why the life review's

764
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,440
so important. 
But the main discussion points 

765
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,480
for life reviews I glean from an
article by Bruce Grayson. 

766
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,160
And he's a skeptical 
psychiatrist at UVA who's 

767
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,600
studied Ndes for the last 45 or 
50 years. 

768
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,200
And he wrote a beautiful paper 
in the journal Near Death 

769
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,880
Studies in the fall of 2021, 
where he classified something 

770
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,560
like 700 life reviews out of his
database, more than 1000 near 

771
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,800
death experiences. 
And the important points I'd 

772
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,040
like to make about the life 
reviews from his study, what is 

773
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,560
it, 34% or 37%? 
So roughly 1/3 involve their 

774
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,920
entire life and most people say,
wait a minute, how can you go 

775
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,080
through your entire life during 
a 10 minute cardiac arrest? 

776
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,480
Well, I can tell you it's the 
timeless nature of that realm. 

777
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,400
Once we're there, we're 
completely removed from earth 

778
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,880
time and much more identifying 
with the with the eternity of 

779
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,040
our souls. 
And so a complete life review 

780
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,880
that admits nothing is easily 
something I can imagine 

781
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,440
occurring to a soul that in that
realm, in that complete realm of

782
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,880
eternity. 
Now, about half of them, 47% 

783
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,560
said the events were relived as 
if they're still ongoing, not 

784
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,760
just remembered. 
So in other words, this is 

785
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,800
showing us that that serves as 
kind of a course correction and 

786
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,440
an opportunity to learn lessons 
that we were meant to learn in 

787
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,920
this lifetime, maybe didn't 
quite get. 

788
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,720
But we can pick them up through 
the life review if we simply 

789
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,840
acknowledge that. 
And that's where of course, the 

790
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,560
the hellish NDE is also 
important because I don't 

791
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,920
believe there's any such thing 
as an eternal hell. 

792
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,280
That would make zero sense with 
with that loving God force that 

793
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,080
I encountered that any soul 
would be so imperfect as to be 

794
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,920
LED into an eternal damnation. 
So you can throw that one out, 

795
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,320
but I think life reviews where 
somebody's handed out a lot of 

796
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,400
pain and suffering to others 
that could easily be a vision of

797
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,400
hell. 
Now in, in Bruce Grayson's work 

798
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,240
in those in that paper that I'm 
referring to, about 3/4 of 

799
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:39,400
people, 76% stress that the life
of you was from the perspective 

800
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,480
of everyone involved. 
Now that's one of the most 

801
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,480
important facts of this. 
This disclosure is more than 3/4

802
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:54,480
of these people. 
It's, you know, the golden rule.

803
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Treat others as you would like 
to be treated. 

804
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Really the script and experience
what you they you put people 

805
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,800
through, right, that sort of 
thing exactly that's. 

806
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,240
That's the point. 
And so we learn to treat others 

807
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,440
as we would like to be treated. 
And this, you know, religions 

808
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,800
have had thousands of years to 
teach that lesson. 

809
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,600
I must say I'm very encouraged 
that this discussion that we're 

810
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,680
having is based strongly in 
science, quantum physics and 

811
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,840
neuroscience, philosophy of 
mind, parapsychology, non local 

812
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,440
consciousness, you know, and the
quantum physics has been a 

813
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,800
driver for a long time, but 
that's been a deep mystery in 

814
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040
its promotion of the notion of 
the primacy of mine but to. 

815
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
Me, can we, can we dive into 
that a little bit? 

816
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,600
The the connection to quantum 
physics? 

817
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,800
What is what is the mechanism 
through which all of this is 

818
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,560
taking place scientifically? 
If if that's something you can 

819
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,920
break down, sure. 
That's a great question. 

820
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,520
And the way I would put it, the 
simplest way to get it is we've 

821
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,760
been looking at the wrong way, 
you know, bottom up causality. 

822
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
That is our expectation in 
science that if we understand 

823
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,920
all the rules that govern the 
subatomic particles, you know, 

824
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,240
photons, quarks, electrons, 
etcetera, that make up this 

825
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,960
world around us and then build 
up those rules and understanding

826
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,080
that explains how this world 
emerges. 

827
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,800
But one key piece that they're 
missing is none of us are 

828
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,760
experiencing a deep naked 
reality. 

829
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Quantum physics teaches us first
and foremost that an objective 

830
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,040
physical world does not exist 
independent of the observer. 

831
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,560
That's a very important point. 
And for example, John Archibald 

832
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,120
Wheeler, who is a famous quantum
physicist, is involved in 

833
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Manhattan Project. 
He was at Princeton in physics, 

834
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,800
and he came up with a 
participatory anthropic 

835
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,280
principle to try and explain 
some of the deepest mysteries of

836
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,800
something called the delayed 
choice quantum eraser 

837
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,560
experiment, if anybody wants to 
look it up. 

838
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,080
But it's a real mind Bender of 
an experiment. 

839
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,920
And from Wheeler's point of 
view, you had to invoke mine. 

840
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,240
You can't escape it. 
And mind is something primary, 

841
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:04,520
not as derivative from matter. 
And so mind is absolutely 

842
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,840
essential to all this. 
And past Paul Jordan, Erwin 

843
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Schroedinger, Max Planck, all of
them have made statements about 

844
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,720
the primacy of consciousness. 
So it was that mystery that the 

845
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,640
subatomic particles seem to know
whether or not they were being 

846
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,560
observed. 
And the mental choices of the 

847
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,320
observing scientists made a 
tremendous difference. 

848
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,640
So that's kind of the starting 
point of the mystery. 

849
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,760
But what I'll tell you is that 
what it really boils down to is 

850
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,680
the brain mind connection is 
right there at the neuronal 

851
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,160
level. 
And neurons are not Newtonian 

852
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,160
deterministic machines. 
They are quantum computers. 

853
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Everything a neuron does is 
dependent on ion channels and 

854
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,280
ions that are quantum particles 
and say, you know, molecules and

855
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,600
synaptic vesicles that are all 
quantum particles completely 

856
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,320
obeying the principles of 
quantum physics, superposition, 

857
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,680
entanglement and tunneling, 
things like that. 

858
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,720
And so once you start 
recognizing that, you start to 

859
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:06,520
realize, well, this relationship
between brain and mind has much 

860
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,600
more to do with kind of top down
causal effects. 

861
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,600
There's a fellow mathematician, 
George Fr Ellis, who has written

862
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,960
extensively about the top down 
causality in quantum systems. 

863
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,760
And I think that's really where 
the answers lie is looking at 

864
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,840
this top down causality. 
I mean for the same reason that,

865
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,200
for example, a mystery in the 
philosophy mind is the apparent 

866
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,920
unity of consciousness. 
You know, everything that I see 

867
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,520
here, smell, feel, body sense 
and awareness, sensing my 

868
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,120
surround, putting that together 
with past memories, projecting 

869
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,680
future events, executive 
function, every bit of it's 

870
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
unified as one. 
How is it that multiple neuronal

871
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,200
populations can do that? 
Well, the way they do it is 

872
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,600
because consciousness is unified
as it's filtered in. 

873
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
As I said earlier, the brain 
works as a dissociation 

874
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,960
mechanism that dissociates 
little Eddie current of that God

875
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,560
mind that allows us to use it. 
But the interesting thing is 

876
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,320
when we die, when the body dies 
and that that little Eddie 

877
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,000
current is reunified back into 
the, the great cosmic mind. 

878
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,160
It maintains a certain sense of 
selfhood. 

879
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,400
And that is proven through all 
of those reincarnation stories. 

880
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,800
The past life memories in 
children show us that just in, 

881
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,320
in going back into the, you 
know, the, the ocean, a drop in 

882
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,120
the ocean. 
And this is where I'm reminded 

883
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,760
that beautiful poem by Rumi 
where he says you're not a drop 

884
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,480
in the ocean, but the ocean in a
drop. 

885
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,480
And boy, does that say a 
tremendous amount that God mind,

886
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,560
that universal mind is within 
all of us. 

887
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,760
The holographic principle is 
very active here where the mind 

888
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,400
is a hologram, the universe is a
hologram. 

889
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:51,560
And they refractals 
tremendously. 

890
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Yeah, refractals. 
Of the whole. 

891
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,680
It's more top down causality. 
So I'm answering your question 

892
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,040
by saying there's a unification 
from that mind over matter, 

893
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,400
spirit over matter that causes 
all of this kind of physical 

894
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,240
world to emerge. 
But you know, the deepest 

895
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,360
interpretation of quantum 
physics is like each of us is 

896
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,840
wandering around with our own 
complete physical universe of 

897
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,040
perception of and yet they don't
necessarily overlap. 

898
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,440
If you, you get dive deep into 
Wigner's friend experiment and 

899
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,400
you'll start understanding the, 
the kind of strange twist of 

900
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,720
that and why of the the proof is
there that we're we don't have 

901
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,920
an objective physical world 
existing out there independent 

902
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200
of our existence. 
And of course, anybody who's 

903
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,880
paying attention to all those 
facts that I just delivered 

904
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,560
about life reviews must 
acknowledge that we need a 

905
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,000
complete revision of our notions
of ontology. 

906
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,240
I mean, how is it that the 
universe is able to do that? 

907
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,160
You know, in 700 cases of life 
review in a more than 1000 Ndes 

908
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,520
where you have these very 
dominant themes of people 

909
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,760
reliving the events from the 
perspective of everyone involved

910
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,040
in a fashion that's more real 
than when they occurred in this 

911
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,240
lifetime. 
You know, we need a big revision

912
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,800
and materialism obviously fails 
tremendously and is really falls

913
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,320
apart with this. 
And this is where evolutionary 

914
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,320
panentheism starts to emerge as 
a very powerful philosophical 

915
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,160
system. 
Evolutionary means we do have 

916
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,000
free will and I think the 
quantum indeterminacy is, is 

917
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,320
right at the heart of our human 
sense of free will, a very 

918
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,840
important kind of concept, but 
that ultimately our our mind 

919
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,880
determines the emergent course 
of how we see the material world

920
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,760
flow. 
And this is where mind over 

921
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,520
matter, power of prayer, 
meditation, centering prayer, 

922
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,320
all these things start to emerge
as powerful mechanisms by which 

923
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,280
we can, as sentient beings 
interact more with this world 

924
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,960
around us. 
Learn more about our kind of 

925
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,000
shared meaning and purpose to 
create. 

926
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,000
In some sense. 
Right. 

927
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,560
I'm sorry. 
To create. 

928
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,080
It's very comforting, you know, 
because our souls are eternal 

929
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,520
and the the thing that binds us 
together is not kind of hatred 

930
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,920
and and hardship, but love, 
kindness, compassion, mercy, you

931
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,280
know, and anybody who says, 
well, wait a minute, you know, 

932
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
ND ES, I want to know what 
happens when you really die. 

933
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,280
I would steer them to work of 
Christopher Kerr. 

934
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,840
Kerr, he was head of Hospice 
Buffaloes. 

935
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,520
He didn't care about ND ES, but 
he cared a lot about people who 

936
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,600
were dying and so he reported a 
lot of what they went through. 

937
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,360
And you find the very same 
things that happen to people who

938
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,240
have near death experiences. 
Likewise, there are something 

939
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,280
called shared death experiences 
which have been written about by

940
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,680
William Peters and by Raymond 
Moody. 

941
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,720
Raymond Moody really coined the 
term shared death experience. 

942
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:59,080
Not just near death experience, 
but anyway those are cases where

943
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,240
perfectly healthy normal people,
their soul can get taken along 

944
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:06,240
on a journey witnessing a full 
blown life review of the 

945
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,200
departing soul before the 
bystander soul comes back to 

946
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,040
this world. 
I mean so many pieces of 

947
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,160
evidence that say this is how 
the rule really works. 

948
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,120
You're not fooling yourself. 
And ultimately, those 

949
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,440
reincarnation stories are some 
of the strongest evidence we 

950
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,880
have that we need a complete we 
reworking of our ontology if we 

951
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,480
have any hope of understanding 
the nature reality. 

952
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Yeah. 
I wonder if you mentioned 

953
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,280
neurons as a quantum machine. 
Are you familiar with the OR JAR

954
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,680
theory of Penrose and Hammer off
and microtubules? 

955
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,560
You think that's a mechanism 
also? 

956
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,720
Well, what I can say about that,
and we discussed that in our 

957
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,120
book, Living in a Mind for 
Universe. 

958
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:50,600
And for those who don't know of 
Roger Penrose, he's a very 

959
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,400
renowned Nobel laureate in 
physics, Physics, very 

960
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,720
respected, beautiful book in 
1989 called The Emperor's New 

961
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:01,280
Mind, which I highly recommend. 
Anyway, he and Stuart Hameroff 

962
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,720
and anesthesiologist friend out 
in Arizona, they got together 

963
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,880
back in the 90s and came up with
orchestrated OR objective 

964
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,560
reduction. 
And it's 1 of 16 or so main 

965
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,760
models of interpretation of the 
measurement paradox in quantum 

966
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,960
physics about that intersection 
of mind and and matter. 

967
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,880
And I think it's, you know, they
invoke microtubules. 

968
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,040
I mean, the problem was people 
recognize that quantum states 

969
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,040
are very difficult to maintain 
in the warm, wet biological 

970
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,840
world. 
In fact, when I came through 

971
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,160
training in the 70s, eighties, 
they said that any quantum 

972
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,560
effects were only relevant down 
within a few degrees of absolute

973
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,240
zero. 
So the extremely cold world and 

974
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,440
subatomic world was the only 
place you'd find them. 

975
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Well, since then, biologists 
have found that quantum effects,

976
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,760
especially quantum tunneling, 
are absolutely essential to 

977
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,840
explain photosynthesis. 
You know, the very fact we that 

978
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,440
plants convert sunshine into 
stuff we can eat. 

979
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,880
That depends on quantum 
tunneling in the chloroplast. 

980
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,320
I mean, it's absolutely 
astonishing and it wouldn't work

981
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,360
without quantum mechanics. 
Likewise, our sense of smell in 

982
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,240
humans is very dependent on on 
quantum physics. 

983
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,640
That's how come we can discern 
literally millions of different 

984
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,440
smells. 
And likewise migration of the 

985
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,920
European Robin has been 
investigated. 

986
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Turns out the Robin can actually
see the earths magnetic field, 

987
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,840
doesn't see it pole to pole, but
it sees it pole to equator. 

988
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,920
Basically the inclination line 
of the magnetic field compared 

989
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,720
to the surface of the earth. 
And the birds use that for 

990
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,360
migration and that is a quantum 
mechanical tunneling effect. 

991
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,680
So yes, a quantum mechanics is 
alive and well in the modern 

992
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,680
biological world. 
In that context, you've got 

993
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Penrose and Hameroff coming up 
with this brilliant idea of 

994
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,360
using microtubules, which are a 
natural structure in cells. 

995
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,440
And certainly they're, they're 
prominently featured in neurons 

996
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,240
and they construct an 
environment where you could 

997
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,920
actually preserve quantum 
effects long enough to use those

998
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,560
effects for consciousness. 
And it's, it's really kind of an

999
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,600
extraordinary model. 
Now, one, I'll backtrack one 

1000
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,400
tiny piece, and that is that 
Rodger Penrose in his physics 

1001
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,400
wisdom muses over what causes 
that collapse. 

1002
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,320
And he talks about the one 
graviton limit. 

1003
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,840
I won't go into all that, but 
he's trying to associate gravity

1004
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,520
with collapse of the wave 
function. 

1005
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,240
And so he's not invoking some 
mind, some God mind, you know, 

1006
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,480
running the world through these 
principles. 

1007
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,400
And that's where I would say 
that I'm not so convinced that 

1008
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,880
orchestrated OR is the complete 
picture because I believe 

1009
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,560
there's much more to be invoked 
about this top down causality of

1010
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,960
a mental spiritual nature that's
really running the show. 

1011
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,080
But I think that the 
microtubules is a brilliant idea

1012
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,800
and that's what really allows 
for quantum effects to be 

1013
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,680
preserved long enough to be used
for computation in a big field 

1014
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,960
effect system like a brain. 
And remember that these brains, 

1015
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,920
the quantum field is all 
throughout the universe and 

1016
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,680
that's what connects is the 
entanglement field, I would say 

1017
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,880
in many ways is the mental 
spiritual field. 

1018
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,760
And I'm sure they're quantum 
physics physicists who would try

1019
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,800
and demote me for saying such a 
thing, but I would say they just

1020
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,800
don't understand and enough 
about the challenges of 

1021
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,320
consciousness to get why that 
kind of top down causality in 

1022
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,920
the quantum entanglement field 
would explain so much about the 

1023
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,560
nature of the consciousness writ
large. 

1024
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,600
That is the consciousness we're 
talking about. 

1025
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,520
Like occurs in these life 
reviews. 

1026
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Yeah, I, you know, so your book 
and your testimony is something 

1027
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,160
that's has resonated I think 
over thousands of years. 

1028
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,600
I mean, the Tibetan Book of the 
Dead, the Egyptian Book of the 

1029
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560
Dead, they have allegories that 
are constructed around what 

1030
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,160
seemed like in your death 
experiences. 

1031
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,480
I talked to anthropologist 
Gregory Shushen, who is 

1032
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:57,000
chronicled a lot of those, you 
know, tales or stories or myths 

1033
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,560
that have resonance with what 
people now describe as as a near

1034
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,080
death experiences. 
My concern, and I think other 

1035
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,760
people have this concern, is 
that religion has not always 

1036
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,600
been a positive force in human 
society. 

1037
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,880
It spirituality, it could be 
argued, is something different 

1038
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,080
than religion. 
Religion represents control and 

1039
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,520
institutions and whatnot, but 
how can we accept this reality 

1040
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,920
and, you know, sort of live in a
universe that accommodates the 

1041
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,040
spirituality without falling 
back into all those old tropes 

1042
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,560
that have led us to problems so 
often in the past? 

1043
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,400
Well, I think what we can do is 
follow the lead of this 

1044
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,800
particular revolution that we're
talking about and just pay 

1045
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,720
attention to personal 
experience, you know, meditation

1046
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,840
of these ND ES, all the related 
phenomena and, and just focus on

1047
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,360
that. 
And I'll point out several 

1048
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,360
things. 
One is that there's a saying in 

1049
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,880
the NDE literature and people 
often come back from a near 

1050
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,160
death experience, more spiritual
but less religious. 

1051
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,760
Now for me, you know, I have 
great respect for religions as a

1052
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,040
kind of a principle when they 
can be used to enhance humanity,

1053
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,280
and that is to elevate us to our
loftiest possibilities. 

1054
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,160
And as you point out, that is 
not necessarily the goal of 

1055
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,760
religious systems. 
In fact, many of them have 

1056
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,560
devolved into control mechanisms
to for humans to control other 

1057
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,640
humans. 
And to me, that is a very sad 

1058
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,600
state of affairs. 
But my own personal experience 

1059
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,840
in both the Methodist Church and
the Episcopal Church has been 

1060
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,080
that the church leaders that 
I've come to know and love in 

1061
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,040
those institutions have always 
walked the walk. 

1062
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,400
They were always filled with the
love, compassion, kindness. 

1063
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,960
They were completely inclusive 
of all. 

1064
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,800
To the extent that religion 
maintains that that kind of high

1065
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,160
wisdom of the actual knowledge 
of the prophets, that's all 

1066
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,000
inclusive and loving and 
compassion and kind and not 

1067
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,120
controlling and exclusive, that 
to that degree that religion is,

1068
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,120
you know, following the proper 
pathway. 

1069
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,480
But Karen and I often define 
spirituality. 

1070
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,400
You don't need religion for 
spirituality at all. 

1071
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,800
In fact, in our definition of 
spirituality, you have three 

1072
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,440
ingredients. 
One is an acknowledgement of 

1073
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,280
this mental connection. 
That's the scientific piece 

1074
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,760
that's coming out very largely 
that our minds are all connected

1075
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,520
through this incredible field of
that entanglement field. 

1076
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,240
And so it's a sense of 
connection mentally and 

1077
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,280
spiritually with with our fellow
beings and with that God force 

1078
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,880
of the universe. 
But also a sense of shared 

1079
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,400
meaning that we can share with 
each other in terms of, you 

1080
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,840
know, the whys and hows of of 
how we we live these lives. 

1081
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,720
And also the purpose kind of the
general over the horizon look of

1082
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,400
where is this all headed and why
are we doing this? 

1083
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,600
And so I think people can use a 
personal program of meditation. 

1084
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,680
For example, if you go to 
sacredacoustics.com, there's a 

1085
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,520
free 20 minute on file download 
that listen with headphones or 

1086
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,280
earbuds because the power of 
binaural beats is by splitting 

1087
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,600
the signal to the two ears. 
They do work through speakers, 

1088
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,400
but they're more powerful when 
you split the signal in your ear

1089
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,800
headphones. 
And so I highly recommend people

1090
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,320
give that a try. 
If you're just needing relief of

1091
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,360
anxiety, there's a beautiful. 
A pilot study in the peer 

1092
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,320
reviewed literature by Doctor 
Anna Yusum looking at sacred 

1093
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,240
acoustic tones and she found 
that over 2 weeks of listening, 

1094
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,760
there was a 26% reduction of 
anxiety symptoms in her busy New

1095
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,280
York City practice versus only a
7% reduction in the control 

1096
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,400
group that got standard talk 
psychotherapy for two weeks. 

1097
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,640
So a three fold improvement in 
the in getting rid of anxiety 

1098
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,560
symptoms. 
And I promise you there's much, 

1099
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,120
much more going on with binaural
beats than just a relief of 

1100
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,600
anxiety. 
And in our workshops, people can

1101
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,640
readily connect with souls of 
departed loved ones, have 

1102
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,960
incredible experience with 
guidance, etcetera and the and 

1103
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,560
the magic to the binaural beats.
I'll just cut quickly to the 

1104
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,560
chase. 
And we go into a lot of detail 

1105
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,600
about that in our a book Living 
in a Mindful Universe. 

1106
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,800
But it's causing a powerful 
oscillation in the lower brain 

1107
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,240
stem. 
And that is a similar principle 

1108
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,160
to say hypnosis where you use 
eye movements following a 

1109
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,120
pendulum or EMDR eye movement 
desensitization reprocessing, 

1110
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,120
which is a very powerful 
technique to help with post 

1111
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,080
traumatic stress disorder. 
And again, those are very rapid 

1112
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,240
eye movements and you're, you're
oscillating in the the midbrain.

1113
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,360
And with sacred acoustics and 
binaural beats, we're actually 

1114
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:35,720
going 150 million years back in 
evolutionary biology way down 

1115
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,560
into the lower brain stem, 
causing a powerful oscillation 

1116
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,320
there. 
That's one of the reasons why I 

1117
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,560
think people get such incredible
transcendental experiences using

1118
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,560
binaural beats. 
If you learn to ride those 

1119
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,120
tones, you can get extraordinary
kind of phenomena of 

1120
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,200
transcendental levels of 
consciousness. 

1121
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,480
I mean, doesn't work in 
everybody, but it certainly 

1122
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,000
works in a lot of people. 
And if you go to 

1123
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,520
sacredacoustics.com, you'll find
a lot of kind of clues on those 

1124
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:07,520
pages about how to do all this. 
And one other resource I'll 

1125
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,560
mention on evanalexander.com, 
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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,120
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01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,840
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1130
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,840
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evanalexander.com and click on 

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,040
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01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,040
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01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,880
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01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,040
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And not only that, it comes with

1135
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,720
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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,080
meditation. 
So 33 Day Journey at 

1137
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,280
evanalexander.com is a great 
resource. 

1138
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,960
OK, you mentioned your website. 
I'm going to read a quote from 

1139
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,880
it that I wanted to ask you 
about. 

1140
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,120
We often talk about this is me, 
first preamble. 

1141
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,960
We have to talk about how, you 
know, we are pivoting as a 

1142
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,920
society or as a species to begin
to accommodate these truths, 

1143
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,040
whether it's, you know, science 
is coming to terms with the with

1144
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,640
human consciousness and what it 
might what it might mean. 

1145
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,360
But I'm as I sit here today 
looking at the state of the 

1146
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,720
world, I have a hard time 
envisioning what that would look

1147
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,680
like when these things, you 
know, sort of get realized on on

1148
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,960
a societal level. 
So stating that, I want to read 

1149
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,040
your the quote here. 
My coma taught me many things. 

1150
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,160
First and foremost, near death 
experiences and related mystical

1151
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,400
states of awareness reveal 
crucial truths about the nature 

1152
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,520
of existence. 
Simply dismissing them as 

1153
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,160
hallucinations is convenient for
many in the conventional 

1154
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,200
scientific community, but only 
continues to lead them away from

1155
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,360
the deeper truth. 
These experiences are revealing 

1156
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,520
to us. 
The conventional, reductive, 

1157
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,800
materialist physicalist model 
embraced by many in the 

1158
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,280
scientific community, including 
its assumption that the physical

1159
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,280
brain creates consciousness and 
that our human existence is 

1160
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,560
birth to death and nothing more,
is fundamentally flawed. 

1161
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,480
At its core, the physicalist 
model intentionally ignores what

1162
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,040
I believe is the most is the 
fundament of all existence, 

1163
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,920
consciousness itself. 
Ndes such as mine then represent

1164
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,880
the tip of the spear in a 
rapidly progressing 

1165
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,080
enlightenment of the scientific 
community around the mind, brain

1166
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,160
relationship and our 
understanding of the very nature

1167
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,080
of reality. 
The world will never be the 

1168
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,920
same. 
My question to you is, first of 

1169
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,440
all, beautifully put. 
But what does that world look 

1170
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,920
like? 
How do you think if tomorrow 

1171
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,480
they realize that consciousness 
is something that's, you know, 

1172
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,840
spread throughout the universe 
and we're all sourced from it, 

1173
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,120
How do you think that that 
changes humanity? 

1174
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Does that lead to an ontological
collapse among if people, you 

1175
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,360
know, their religious systems or
scientific systems are 

1176
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,600
undermined? 
What do we, how do we get there?

1177
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,480
Well. 
I wouldn't say the scientific 

1178
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,920
system is undermined. 
It's actually going through a 

1179
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,200
radical shift that'll make it 
far more applicable to the real 

1180
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,600
world. 
So we're, we're kind of, I mean,

1181
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,320
to me of seeing this unfold, I 
mean, I, I know it seems 

1182
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,080
especially problematic in the 
current era because you read the

1183
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,040
headlines, you look at what's 
happened in the world and I know

1184
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,160
none of us have seen this much 
polarization, conflict and 

1185
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,200
friction in our lifetime. 
So, but I would say that's a 

1186
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,560
symptom of what happens when the
world is going through a 

1187
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,520
paradigm shift. 
The fundamentalists recognize 

1188
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,960
it's of some conscious level 
that their days are numbered, 

1189
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,800
they're coming to an end, and 
they just kind of hit panic 

1190
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,840
mode. 
And so that's why it all looks 

1191
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,280
so frothing and kind of 
frightening right now. 

1192
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,320
But don't let that bother you 
because ultimately, underneath 

1193
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,280
it all, there is a tremendous 
revolution going on, fueled not 

1194
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,720
just by scientific knowledge, by
this kind of integration and 

1195
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,840
assimilation of all of this kind
of information we're talking 

1196
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,000
about, but also there's a 
groundswell of grassroots 

1197
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,840
support because of human beings 
having these experiences. 

1198
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,560
And they're, you know, 
absolutely not going to accept 

1199
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,800
some materialist pseudo 
explanation that denies the 

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,280
reality of what they went 
through. 

1201
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,320
So these people are driving the 
revolution, too. 

1202
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,840
We were at a meeting in Belgium 
in 2018 where one of the 

1203
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,240
neuroscientists and a group from
Belgium got up and showed a 

1204
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,880
slide where they made the point 
that there was a four fold 

1205
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,640
increase in the annual number of
scientific papers addressing 

1206
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,800
near death experiences that 
started in 20/12/2013. 

1207
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,960
They attributed that four fold 
increase to the publication of 

1208
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,880
the book Proof of Heaven. 
Now, I don't know if if that is 

1209
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,720
true or if I was just fortunate 
in my timing, but the bottom 

1210
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,480
line is there has been a huge 
increase in the kind of 

1211
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,720
scientific interest in this and 
certainly a lot more books about

1212
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,400
it. 
People are, you know, starting 

1213
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,000
to really kind of put these big 
pieces together. 

1214
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,920
And I think the issue is, you 
know, as we've kind of discussed

1215
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,200
here, you need a pretty big 
overview and a lot of knowledge 

1216
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,200
of many disparate parts of of 
the puzzle. 

1217
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,200
That's the only way you can put 
it together. 

1218
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,640
I mean, you can't, for example, 
just focus all on Ndes. 

1219
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,720
We're going to study Ndes 
intensively, but you got to look

1220
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,880
at everything else too. 
You got to look at telepathy, a 

1221
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,520
past life, memory in children, 
suggestive reincarnation of 

1222
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,360
philosophy, bind in the binding 
problem. 

1223
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,120
I mean, all these things add up.
And that's kind of the case we 

1224
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,000
make in our book Living in a 
Mindful Universe, because it's a

1225
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,280
multidisciplinary approach to 
trying to make sense of all 

1226
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,320
this. 
But the world that I see 

1227
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,240
emerging from it is 1 where more
and more people are paying 

1228
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,480
attention to this. 
They're realizing that they do 

1229
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,960
have much power over their lives
that has to do with rising above

1230
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,560
their ego self. 
I love how Michael Singer in his

1231
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,640
book the the untethered Soul, 
because that voice in your head,

1232
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,920
your annoying roommate, well, 
that's mainly the voice of your 

1233
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,600
ego mind. 
But what, what I've learned is I

1234
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,520
can kind of separate out my ego 
mind from what I consider higher

1235
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,360
soul. 
The kind of higher aspects of 

1236
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,800
me, the part that wakes up 
between lives and is part of, 

1237
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,200
you know, the accumulation of, 
of the soul knowledge over 

1238
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,560
multiple lifetime. 
That part is something I can 

1239
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,680
cultivate through daily 
meditation. 

1240
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,240
And that's what I've been doing 
the last 13 years is sacred 

1241
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,360
acoustics, meditations, an hour 
or two a day. 

1242
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,880
Of course, a big part of this is
bringing that back to this 

1243
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,800
world. 
The knowledge, the kind of 

1244
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,000
information we glean about our 
connections with others, our 

1245
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,399
shared meaning and purpose is 
something that we only really 

1246
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,439
achieved through living it here 
in these bodies, in this 

1247
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,160
material world. 
But never forgetting that our 

1248
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:39,560
ultimate home and our origins 
are in a an eternal realm of 

1249
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,319
interconnected soul and spirit 
and, and that it's ultimately 

1250
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,160
leading somewhere good. 
That's the important thing. 

1251
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,640
We're leading towards a world of
harmony, peace, prosperity for 

1252
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,319
all, all inclusive, where we 
take care of each other. 

1253
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,479
And you know, to me, it's, it's 
such a kind of a natural way of 

1254
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,600
being. 
I mean, first of all, for being 

1255
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,600
a physician and, and taking care
of people seems like a natural 

1256
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,240
thing to want to do anyway, 
especially when you consider 

1257
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,960
just the basic day-to-day gift 
of that kind of interaction with

1258
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,479
the world. 
And I think ultimately, as this 

1259
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,399
kind of discussion gets out to 
the world, more and more people 

1260
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,800
will start realizing that they 
don't have to buy into the crazy

1261
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,160
making headlines of the day and 
just think that's the full story

1262
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,960
on this world, but that they can
actually make a difference. 

1263
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,560
And with every smile, with every
kind of interaction with fellow 

1264
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,040
beings, with more time and 
meditation, centering prayer, 

1265
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,160
and then spending more time 
bringing that kind of love and 

1266
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,399
light into this world and our 
daily actions. 

1267
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,560
I mean, that's, that's how we 
improve, that's how we grow as 

1268
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,600
souls, and that's how ultimately
I think the mind of the universe

1269
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,800
grows. 
In fact, I've become a huge fan 

1270
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,640
of Pierre Taylor de Chardin 
wrote that book, The Phenomenon 

1271
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,840
of Man in the mid 20th century, 
where he recognized as a Jesuit 

1272
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,880
priest, but also a 
paleontologist. 

1273
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,080
So a scientist with billionaire 
time scales that evolution was 

1274
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,920
happening, but on the scale much
bigger than just Darwinian 

1275
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,960
evolution on Earth. 
And he saw all of consciousness 

1276
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,280
evolving. 
And that's what I think is 

1277
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,960
happening. 
That's what I saw in that 

1278
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,920
golden, you know, living 
tapestry vision deep in the core

1279
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,280
round. 
And I think it's something that 

1280
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,160
I see echoed in many other 
writings in the current era as 

1281
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,920
we acknowledge that our old 
conventional thinking is 

1282
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,600
completely outmoded. 
The very fact that the Nobel 

1283
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,680
Prize in Physics in 2022 was for
entanglement was a final 

1284
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,080
admission by the Nobel Committee
that format 4 dimensional 

1285
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,840
space-time is no longer the 
ultimate theatre of operation of

1286
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,160
causality within a scientific 
framework of understanding the 

1287
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,120
world. 
But that kind of mental aspect 

1288
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,720
or a mental spiritual aspect of 
the entanglement field shows a 

1289
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,960
lot of how this can can unfold. 
And some of the hinting for the 

1290
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,160
language I'm using in this can 
be gleaned from a paper in the 

1291
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,840
the esteemed scientific journal 
Nature in 2005 by Richard Kahn. 

1292
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,400
Henry, the head of astrophysics 
at Johns Hopkins. 

1293
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,120
And he wrote a one page essay 
called Mental Universe. 

1294
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,440
And he makes it clear at the way
science quantum physics was 

1295
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,800
headed at the time that it was 
becoming clear to everyone in 

1296
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,160
the field that the universe was 
fundamentally mental and 

1297
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:24,960
spiritual. 
Enjoy. 

1298
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,600
Exclamation mark. 
That's how he ends the essay. 

1299
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,720
But that's the point. 
And I think we're only proving 

1300
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,240
that more and more as all of 
this information is consolidated

1301
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,000
and people try and come up with 
a far more complete, 

1302
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,280
assimilative, integrative model 
of that takes all of this 

1303
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,480
information and tries to put it 
into a useful form of 

1304
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:47,360
understanding about the nature 
of reality. 

1305
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Fantastic way to end it. 
I mean, enjoy. 

1306
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,160
That is perfect for both the 
essay and the show. 

1307
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,120
Thank you so much even for 
coming on the show, for all the 

1308
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,560
work that you've done. 
And I'd love to talk to you at 

1309
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,120
some point and get in the future
and I'll follow everything you 

1310
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,680
do because I think that. 
'D be great. 

1311
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,800
Well, James, thanks for having 
me on and yeah, let's talk 

1312
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,800
again. 
And what I'd suggest, if you're 

1313
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,960
interested, is let's get Karen 
involved because she has a lot 

1314
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,720
of wisdom about meditation, 
about consciousness. 

1315
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,800
I would love to. 
I would love to, yeah, talk 

1316
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,040
about the practical application 
of these ideas into a way of 

1317
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,680
life. 
I think that that's the next 

1318
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,360
frontier, you know? 
All right. 

1319
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,920
Well, James, thanks for having 
me on and thanks for doing what 

1320
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,120
you do to get this out there.